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Karen, I don't think our guest
today needs much of an introduction. All

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I have to say is time travel. Has he been here before? We're

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gonna find out, because I have. I'm obviously super intrigued about the topic

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of time travel. But if that
wasn't enough, right, he also is

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going to talk to us about using
telepathy. Ooh, I like that,

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and how a magical tree guided him
in his business, and how he uses

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dream time to improve his life.
I don't even know what dream time is

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at the time when you're dreaming.
We're gonna find out. And if that

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wasn't enough, he actually experimented with
more than fifty different energetic healing techniques and

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he's here today talk to us about
all of that. Wow. Are you

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ready? Yes, well, strap
in your seatbelts, because this one's gonna

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be a wild one. My name
is Will and I'm Karen. Unlike Boulder

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and Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of

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discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Politicians Classic. You are listening to classic skeptic metaphysicians.

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Welcome to our version of a walkdown
Memory Lane as we present classics from

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the skeptic, metahisician, library warts
and all. I am excited today as

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always, but especially today. Our
guest has a background as a microbiologist.

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He was a pro cyclist and organized
adventure retreats in the past, but now

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he's a time traveler and a quantum
business coach and a four time best selling

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author and host of the podcast The
Derek Loudermilk Show. Derek, I don't

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even have the words to say how
excited I am to have you on the

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show, to say thanks for coming
on. Well, it's great to be

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here, thanks for having me.
So have you been here before? Is

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this our first time together? It
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And the way that I see time
travel is there's actually two different types of

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time travel, and I'm more experienced
in the type which is expanding time and

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contracting time. Then there's also the
type where you can travel backwards or forwards

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in time, which according to physics, and if you once you go into

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the higher dimensions right, time really
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reason I started exploring time travel was
so theoretically it should be possible to experience

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time travel, but what types of
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How would I actually know how to
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I were to try. And so
where I started was trying to expand and

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contract time and also arriving on time. And a lot of entrepreneurs that I

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work with, they have this feeling
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they're always rush, they're always busy. So I said, how can I

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always have enough time to get everything
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that's kind of where I started in
my own exploration of time travel. That's

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a perfect question too, because nobody
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I know time is not on our
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you're talking about not actually going back
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rather expanding time so you have more
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tasks accomplished. Is that right?
Yeah? And so I realized that one

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of the first things that early humans
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They would build something like stone hinge
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could say, Okay, here's the
terrain, here's the space we have dominion

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over, and here's how we're going
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which is time. And as soon
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you can start to control them.
And then if you operate outside of looking

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at your watch, outside of time, and outside of maps, and you're

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just sort of being in the present
where you are, those constraints don't apply

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to you as much. It's almost
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operate in time and space. Interesting. So when I remember when I was

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a kid and summertime would come along
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the longest time of the year,
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time of the year, and then
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as an older gentleman, and I
won't say my age because I don't want

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to make anyone jealous, but now
summertimes go buying a blitz. Before you

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know it, we're bundling up for
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as we grow older alter our perception
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if you were filling your days with
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as when you were a kid,
that you might have the same experience of

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the speed of time. The way
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because it helps us track experiences and
growth. And so if you're continually exposing

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yourself to novel things, you probably
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you were a kid. See,
it was different for me though. Getting

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to summer is what took forever.
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to get to summer, and then
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because I was having so much fun. And they do. They always

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say that time flies when you're having
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is that true? Yeah, and
potentially right, because you're not aware you're

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having fun and you're in the present, right, You're in a flow state

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often and so time is irrelevant.
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and you might not even know.
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moment is part of what I've been
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of people, Right you have a
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appointment, you have to be there
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might be. And that's what gives
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being on the back foot, of
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world. So the first experiment I
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I could time travel. Was I
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do a long workout, maybe a
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had one hour before dinner, and
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to go to the gym and have
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workout without feeling rushed, without feeling
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I specifically did not look at any
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my full workout and arriving at home
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and sit done to dinner. And
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think maybe you and I are similar
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see if it works for us.
And that early experiment, you know,

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the first time you try something and
it works, then then you think,

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okay, well what else can I
try? Can I keep? Can I

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keep progressing with this? So is
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in that experience and you're experiencing that
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That's a lot of experience, and
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individuals without messing up the time stream
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next time I tried this, I
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being in the right place at the
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full day going on an adventure,
on a bike ride, a date with

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my wife. We went to a
different state. We rode all day,

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and we had to pick up my
kid from school, and we we didn't

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look well, my wife might have, but I didn't look at the time

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all day, and I was the
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there. And it is stressful a
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amount of faith in the universe that
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leave your kid and he's going to
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get there. But when we arrived, and there was there was lots of

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un expected detours right, you know, flat tires and wrong turns and all

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this stuff. We arrived at school
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walking up to the school as he
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there were people that arrived before me
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bit after me, but I was
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time. I don't know if I
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flat tire? Are you kidding me
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my god? The kid? Well, Karen, Actually there is a practice

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I should say when we were doing
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when I really dove in to try
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One of the things that they did
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concept was to not look at the
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I was running late for work,
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and I set an intention them going
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no panic. But when I get
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on time. And the key is
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while you're on the road, and
inevitably, when you do that, you

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would get there on time. How
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how did you get us here on
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me? For all the time we've
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I'm panicking in the tuile traffic.
Well, a guy. A guy can

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tell all his secret Kenny, how
about just one? So I'm assuming this

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is kind of a similar concept,
Derek, where you're bending time in order

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to fulfill needs that you have.
Has it ever backfired on you? Though?

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No. Sometimes I've just abandoned it
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watch without thinking and then being like
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it sorts to dissolve the process.
If you'd like, I can sub to

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the other type of time travel.
But before you do that, so just

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to clarify that, the act of
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things, right, is that what
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the clock, that's it. That's
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that that is similar than to what
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big thing. You just cannot look
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your clock, and you'll get their
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than not to your point. So
you're a time traveler too. It's great.

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But I would say I'm a time
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would. I would say I was
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about the other type of time travel, which is really, as a science

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fiction fan, an absolute obsession of
mine. Yeah, So I think there's

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there's two ways to go about it. There's a technological based way and then

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there's a consciousness based way. And
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let's say Roman gladiatther times or into
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there's a space and time component and
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point for this is when so you
guys are probably familiar with past lives all

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being part of the same over soul. What I what I would do is

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I would find a past or future
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connection that I have. So I
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of myself that was alive in Roman
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frequency, my vibration by just tuning
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then I could begin to view the
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of living in that time as that
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that I'm actually taking my physical body
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is that I'm taking my consciousness and
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time and place. There was a
great TV show on Netflix since parb still

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is, called Travelers. It was
the same similar concept that they actually beamed

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their consciousness into people from the past. Wasn't their own cells, it was

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someone else. It was someone who
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dying. At the point of death, they would take over their bodies or

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send over their consciousness to take over
their bodies, and that's how they traveled.

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But they couldn't go back in the
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that we were stuck in the past. That Yeah, sorry, I

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mentioned sci fi fan of from a
tangent, So that's interesting. So one

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could say that past life regression is
could be potentially a form of time travel

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where you're actually going back into your
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times while you're under hypnosis. Yeah, and as far as you know,

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we were talking about experiences. You
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you feel that you're really there,
if you feel how real it is,

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or if you feel like you're just
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of match the the feeling state,
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time. So when you've done this, can you actually like touch an object

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and remember how that feels like are
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of an observation. So the one
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went in the future and actually it
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same body, which was really interesting
to me experiencing myself. It was about

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one hundred and ten years in the
future, and I looked about the same

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and we were all living in a
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utopia. And I was essentially able
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future, and so you know,
there was like the environment, the sights

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and smells and sounds. I think
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the most from that experience. Wow. So this is possible to go forward

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in time as much as it is
to go backwards in time. The only

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thing is that past events you could
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you find things in the past and
the history books or whatever. But in

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the future, it's just kind of
assuming that it's the case. Now,

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my one big passive progression. I
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face, I felt the heat.
So I do feel that I was there

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for that sense. But I'm absolutely
fascinated with the concept of going forward in

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time, especially knowing now that we're
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hundred and something years from now it
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That that makes me feel much better. Makes me feel better too. Can

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you control how far forward you go? Like, could you say I want

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to go fifty years or does it
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do you have no control over that? You just kind of land where you'd

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land. I imagine with practice you
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alluded to, well I do a
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and so I still fairly beginner at
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what I'm getting. Hey, I
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Really is You mentioned the technical logical
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which we don't currently have. Obviously, there's no time machine that I'm aware

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of on this HG. Wells was
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yeah, and I've seen it where
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I also seeing it was just like
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time machines which we don't have.
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that's the reason why we can't physically
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the whole butterfly effect, right,
you can change something and change all of

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reality. And that brings to mind
something that Benji Share said to us Karen

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a while back when he was talking
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happening at the same time, all
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of hopping from one film strip so
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similar concept to what you're thinking about? Or do we actually go back to

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our current timeline or I mean the
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and from what I understand about timelines
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for each one as an individual and
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humans timeline, and that many of
these would just fail, right if they

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lead to some sort of catastrophic event
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consciousness they would consider to be a
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so we have no awareness of our
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failed timelines. But I think if
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they talk about there's the Time Variance
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these offshoot timelines, I think it
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have to go back and try to
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understanding would need to be sort of
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that that Time Variance Authority is probably
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a council, let's say, an
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a bounance. Really, so you
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actually works outside of time that helps
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sort of multiple sources. They refer
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so it seems to be a species
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dealing with with time streams. In
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time stream of like where we're going
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blowing my mind that I did not
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This is amazing, so and it's
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to someone that does speak with ets
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like that. She never mentioned that, but she did mention that there's a

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several different races out there that do
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our evolution and all this kind of
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too far though. It goes sticking
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you're talking about was endgame, I
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change, the timeline splits off into
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potentially be that there's an infinite number
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all at the same time, and
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I think is really fascinating is that
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like I interviewed a guy on my
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old organization that is like the Spiritual
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will bank, bankroll or fund films
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of make the public aware of things
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the light system, and of course
we know that they're like on the other

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side, there are you know,
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as well. So it's like whenever
you're watching Hollywood production, I often have

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this undercurrent of like, are there
any subtle messages or belief structures that are

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themes in this movie that that one
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into the sort of awareness of the
masses. Well, that's interesting because I've

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always thought that when we see these
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always you know, they're come in, they're killing us all, and there

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are very scary movies. And then
the woman we spoke with a couple of

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weeks ago said, no, that's
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be. We actually have some people
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interesting because I like, I'm always
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know? So we should we be
getting ready for something? Because all the

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movies are like that and freaks me
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feeling that Derek is saying, yeah, I know this is not the conversation.

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Let's go back to time so future, no past, let's go to

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the past, safer there. How
do you know this is real? Day?

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that because we're talking about it,
it's real because now you and I are

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agreeing that it's something that we can
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was just me, perhaps there could
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that it's real, then it becomes
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sure. I agreed that it was
real first and foremost. I'm viously we're

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just having a conversation, right,
But its real. I mean I would

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love for it to be real.
It's it certainly makes life a lot more

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interesting, a lot more fun.
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we were just on time travel.
We've got a lot of other stuff we

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got to talk about. If someone
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what's the best way to do that
in your estimation, Yeah, I think

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putting yourself in a state, in
a feeling state of what it would be

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like for you to and let's do
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if you wanted to always have enough
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on time, be in the right
place at the right time for all the

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good things that are happening. There's
a certain way that that would feel for

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you to experience that, and so
you would want to get very clear on

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what that is like for you so
that you know it very well, and

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then practice returning to that place.
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you'll tend to experience the world as
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on time, and so it just
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the pressure and the scheduling and all
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showing up in the state that you're
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a little bit of manifestation in there. I was thinking just that, so

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you manifest arriving on time. You
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do that. Yeah, and then
if we wanted to talk about the actual

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travel rather than bending, how did
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similar to astral projection technique. There's
even you know, even in some of

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the hypnosis apps or the brain brain
wave audio apps, you can get someone

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to walk you into like you were
talking about your past life regression. Just

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a nice induction technique, a good
visualization that it will get you into particular

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brain wave state which will allow you
then to have that experience, which is

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a surefirewave having will not time travel
because I've been trying to ask to project

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forever and never never happen. So
Okay, I'm happy living in the current.

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I'm not gonna be better. We
have to let go of the control,

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let yourself get into that mind state. Right. Well, I'll send

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you I'll send you an audio that
you could try. Really. Oh,

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that would be amazing, Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that very much.

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Yeah, I've been trying for literally
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quick break, but we'll be right
back with more amazing conversation on the skeptic

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metaphysicians. We do have a lot
more to talk about in terms of time

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travel, but I do want to
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telepathy on your son and your cat. I just watched the movie Men Who

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Stare At Goats? Right, is
it like that where you just kind of

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stare at someone and you force them
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them? How do you define telepathy? Well, your use of language they're

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forcing is the thing that it's going
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so there's always a thing that gets
in my way. You know, I'm

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right there with you. Like the
harder I try, the less it works.

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And I didn't know that I had
telepathy until I met a woman who

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teaches animal telepathy. She works with
Olympic horse jumping athletes and their horses,

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and she also works with the Netflix
and does the animals for shows and stuff

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like that. And she said,
oh, I can teach you telepathy in

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just a few minutes. I was
like, yeah, well that would be

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amazing, like please please do And
it's again, she has a particular way

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of getting people into a state where
they're open enough to receive information, and

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she ended up she was teaching me
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So I believe it's still on her
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She's from Denmark. And so she
had me practice. She held up

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pictures of horses and these were clients
of hers, so she knew their complete

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medical history. And so she had
me diagnose these horses by you know's what's

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wrong with this horse? Just showing
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oh, you know, it has
a weird impingement in its neck on the

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left side, and it's it's not
placing its weight enough on the back foot

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because of a twe and the hips. And I don't really know how I

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knew this stuff, but I was
right. I was a one hundred percent

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accurate my first try. Wow.
And so she said, yeah, I

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can verify all this because I have
the medical history of the horses right here.

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so easy just by doing it,
you did it well. So having her

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there sort of encouraging me like,
okay, okay, now is there anything

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with his digestion or houses digestion.
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of times. She was like you
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or not? And then I was
like, yeah, he does, and

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she's like, okay, good,
you got it. But so that the

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challenging thing for me was knowing which
was my own thoughts and which were the

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thoughts of the horses, because they
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I think part of the learning process
of telepathy, as I think probably a

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lot of people will be able to
learn it, we should theoretically all be

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telepathic. I think it will be
understanding when someone else has it, has

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a thought, and it discerning between
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have the same problem. So I
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of my cats will come up to
me and look at me, and I'll

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be like, I should go let
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just tell me to go let your friend

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in from the rain? And this
hasn't happened so many times that I realize

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that's how this cat, one of
my cats communicates with me. But I

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at first I always think that it's
my own idea, and then I realize

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after a minute that it's coming from
my pet. Wow, can you put

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your ideas into your pet, like
just say, goally down over there,

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and it does. Sometimes. Yeah, I've like I can invite them to

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come sit with me, or I
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refilled your bawl, like you know
you can, you can go drink it

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now and they'll go, or they'll
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it's again, I think if I'm
trying hard, it doesn't work, or

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maybe they're not paying attention. Maybe
they're just too busy and they don't pick

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up my twip. You know,
I knew that my cats were telepathic.

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I knew it. I knew it, Karen, and I told you about

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it a long time ago. But
now, yes I did. Maybe I

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sent to you telepathic. Maybe I
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mean, I I have sat I
can't tell you the amount of times that

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someone you know, those cards and
flash cards to start it's a circle,

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it's a square, it's a guy
sitting on a chair, and I my

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success rate on those is like one
in one hundred and fifty two. Right,

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I guess I just don't trust myself
enough. Or is it just that

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you have to have someone there that
that has these skill sets that allow you

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to bring yours out well, the
thing that I think probably would be holding

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you back. So there's at the
Science Center where I live in Saint Louis,

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there's this special game where it's like
who can meditate better, who can

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put their brain in a more calm
state, And you push a little puck

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across the board, so if you
are more calm, it pushes it into

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their goal, and if they're more
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So I played with my wife and
she instantly got into this perfectly calm,

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sort of zero awareness meditative state and
it was like, slam the pucketo

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my goal and I was like wait. And then I was like no,

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no, no, let's do it
again, because I meditate because I'm good

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at this. And so then my
ego is like, okay, don't think,

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don't think, don't think, and
boom, she got it right in

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every time. And so here I
am trying to think how I can quickly

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enter a zen flow state, and
then she just does it. And so

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I think what happens is, especially
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especially with scientists, we really get
into thinking and that changes our brainwave states

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to such a degree that it just
excludes the possibility of many of the experiences.

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So I think looking at brainwave states
and training that would be a great

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place to start. So then I
assume that you're you're wired up to something

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that you got a little head electrode
hat on see now knowing you will if

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we were doing that, you would
want to switch sides make sure it just

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wasn't right. That was my next
question. Did you switch side to see

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if it was rigged? No,
but you can track, like on the

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screen it shows the person's brainwave states, and I like, there was one

410
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:38.079
moment when I was calm and it
dipped down and I was like, yes,

411
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.960
I did it, and then right
away my awareness of doing it ruined

412
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:47.160
the whole thing, right right Then, it seems like telepathy is a lot

413
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.759
more prevalent out there than people give
credit for. Then you think, is

414
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.400
everything Does everyone speak telepathically to each
other? We just don't know. Well,

415
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.000
So so again, this woman in
DTA said that she's been able to

416
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:06.400
train four hundred people in telepathy so
far, and that she has in order

417
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.200
to certify them basically to go out
and do medical diagnoses, they have to

418
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:15.079
be one hundred percent accurate because otherwise
it opens them up to well. Also,

419
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:22.000
they're working with veterinary doctors and they
want to be able to continue doing

420
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.799
it too. Yeah, there's a
lot of times it's hard to diagnose exactly

421
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.880
what's wrong with a high performance animal, so they bring them in as support.

422
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:35.759
But not all of her students achieve
the perfect rate of diagnosis. I

423
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.599
would love to get to fifty percent. I really would. Can you tell

424
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.960
us about some of the experiences you've
had with your son doing this? Yeah,

425
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.319
so when he was really little he's
five now. When he was much

426
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.519
younger, the first sort of link
that I noticed that we had was code

427
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:59.720
dreaming, actually, and we would
we often share dreams in the morning.

428
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.680
Who if we remember our dreams,
we tell them to each other and interpret

429
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:08.480
them around the breakfast table. And
he would share dreams that I had,

430
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.599
and I would ask him. I
would try to quiz him about certain aspects

431
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.400
of the dream to see if they
were the same. And then I could

432
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.599
go and say, here's what I
wrote in my dream journal, and you

433
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.160
told me we were sitting the first
time it happened. He was like,

434
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.319
we were in this neighborhood with big
mansions and tall trees, and we were

435
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:30.720
sitting on the curb sort of waiting
for a parade to go by, and

436
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.000
then we found something and I had
like a drawing of us. We found

437
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.799
a treasure chest with rubies in it
in the gutter, in the drain gutter,

438
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.000
and I had, you know,
the same scene as him. Basically.

439
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.319
The only difference was like, Yeah, it was so cool, and

440
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:50.680
I was like, oh my gosh, we're connected. That is mind blowing.

441
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.359
I mean, there's gotta be something
where some people are more adept at

442
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.759
this than others, right, I
don't truly believe it's just that I'm blocked.

443
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.319
Some people are actually a lot more
open to these types of things than

444
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:08.719
others. Is that right? Or
am I just really dense? You left

445
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:14.599
a little too hard on that one, Karen Well, I would say seven

446
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:22.719
years ago I had I was essentially
completely living as a materialist scientist and simply

447
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:29.079
just wasn't looking for these types of
experiences. And I think almost I think

448
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:34.000
every human has access to all of
these things. They're just just haven't looked

449
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:38.719
yet or haven't tried or played around
with it because they don't believe it's real

450
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.519
or they don't believe it would work. Or they just don't even know it

451
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.000
exists. Maybe and maybe will maybe
it has happened, because how many times

452
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.000
have we been sitting down and I've
said, oh, you know, said

453
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.519
something before you said it, or
vice versa. Well, that's you,

454
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.679
that's you. You're telepathic. I've
said that a long time ago. You

455
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:55.960
know what I'm gonna do before I
do it, before I even think about

456
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.760
it, you'd know about it.
It's the other way. It doesn't go

457
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:04.119
the other way. It is predictable. That's a fair point too, you

458
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.559
know when you have these conversations.
We're doing the show for over a year

459
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:13.719
now, and sometimes the conversation kind
of drags on a little bit and it's

460
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.400
like, how is it possible we've
only spoken for ten minutes. I believe

461
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.039
that Derek's been bending time because we
are already like way past the half been

462
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:28.119
at mark. But this is way
too fascinating of a topic not to go

463
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:30.280
long. I hope it's take up
too much of your time. But I

464
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:35.519
did tease the other stuff we talked
about that we'd be really badly served if

465
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.039
we didn't touch on. So we'll
hopefully come back to this. But tell

466
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:45.480
me about this magical tree. Oh
oh yeah, is it close close to

467
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.599
my heart? And one of the
things it's sort of started expanding my awareness

468
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.039
because you know, I'm from Missouri, which we call the show me State,

469
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.519
and a lot of times it takes
a lived experience of something before you

470
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:04.119
can can really know what it's like. And this magical tree I don't have.

471
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.480
I wish I had a name for
it, because I feel like it

472
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:13.000
deserves a name. So deep in
the jungles of Bali, in the heart

473
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.920
and the center of Bali, is
this tree which is eight hundred maybe a

474
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.280
thousand years old and has three trunks
which all come together about sixty feet in

475
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.199
the air, and the tree itself
is a couple hundred feet tall, and

476
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:30.760
it's just a beautiful, fascinating tree
from a biology level. But when I

477
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:36.920
visited it for the third time and
I touched it, I was instantly sort

478
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:40.320
of given an electric shock. And
this was I think my first out of

479
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:45.639
body experience. It projected my consciousness
to a different forest that a different part

480
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:52.639
of the world which I came to
understand was in China. And this forest,

481
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.840
which is on the edge of the
Gobi Desert, and the desert itself

482
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:00.480
is rapidly expanding there and sort of
taking over the forest as a result,

483
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:07.559
ruining things. So the message was, you know, not that this tree

484
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.599
was worried for itself, but I
am worried about the state of the ecology

485
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.960
of the world. And it's because
humans are not paying attention. They have

486
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:22.280
separated themselves from nature, because you
put yourself in boxes and you don't even

487
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:29.239
see the nature that you are.
And so es since it reminded me of

488
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.599
you know, my own spending less
time in the wilderness. I spent a

489
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.440
lot of time in the woods camping
growing up. I was just always out

490
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:44.639
in the woods, and you know, I was neglecting my own connection with

491
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:52.039
nature. But I received a sort
of a mission to bring leaders, to

492
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:58.559
bring entrepreneurs, to bring change makers
out into the wilderness to reconnect with that

493
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.960
aspect of themselves. So I said, you know what, that sounds actually

494
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.519
really fun for me. So I'm
gonna I'm going to start a branch of

495
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.119
my business, which is we called
it Adventure Quest, and we would mix

496
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:16.119
leadership training with adventure activities and take
people into the jungle or caving or rock

497
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.440
climbing or whatever it might be,
and we would challenge them physically, but

498
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.199
also you know, immerse them right
in a wild place so that they could

499
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.079
Yeah. I let that there.
Let's call it domestication, wash wash away

500
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:37.760
for a moment. One of my
favorite books is a Celestine Prophecy, and

501
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.559
he talks about a lot about plants
and the energies that come from plants,

502
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.719
and two plants from each other and
from us. So I am a firm

503
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:51.920
believer in connecting with nature and things
like that, but I've never been electrically

504
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.440
shocked. I mean that sounds terrifying. It was intense. I mean I

505
00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.039
was crying, I was sweating,
I was shaking, and I had a

506
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.360
a very wise woman with me and
my girlfriend at the time. She said,

507
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.760
you know, you take as long
as you need, just sit right

508
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.679
here in the heart of the tree
and have this experience, and then we

509
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.800
can debrief together afterwards. You can, you can process it with me.

510
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.119
And I was like, you know, as a gift of her saying that

511
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.960
for me, was there ayahuasca involved
in any way or anything like that,

512
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.719
or is it just straight sober Yeah, just you know, we were out

513
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.000
walking in the in the jungle.
Yeah, just normal, normal day.

514
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.840
Wow, that is fascinating. Okay, So then Karen, any question about

515
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.159
the tree, because I'll move on
otherwise because I do have a lot of

516
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.239
questions. But well, yeah,
the same. But we don't have a

517
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:45.199
lot of time. Well maybe we
do. We should have been bending time

518
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.320
the other direction, not forward,
but backwards, for crying out loud,

519
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.639
So dream time, you use dream
time to improve your life? Does that

520
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.320
to Karen's question earlier on in the
show, is that while you're sleeping,

521
00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:01.719
while you're dreaming, you create intentions
or howse that work exactly? And the

522
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.639
bigger picture is that with so many
of these techniques, I want people to

523
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:12.840
find some benefit to them, and
I work with a lot of high performing

524
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.519
entrepreneurs, athletes and people that are
really pushing the envelope, and so I'm

525
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:22.199
always looking for ways to apply these
things. So especially for entrepreneurs, you

526
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:27.039
know what, do they need?
A lot they need Sometimes they need customers,

527
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:34.320
sometimes they need creativity, sometimes they
need to sort out difficult relationship challenges

528
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.280
as a leader, and so a
lot of these things can be worked through

529
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:45.119
or accessed through in dream time.
And the important part is again the intent

530
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.760
and setting up your dream time.
So let's say I want to find customers.

531
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:55.159
Let's say I want new customers.
Either I want my subconscious to tell

532
00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.000
me exactly who those customers are so
that I can just call them up,

533
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.679
or I can tell them where to
place my marketing efforts so that the right

534
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:10.400
people will find me. So I
can go to bed with the intent to

535
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:17.559
receive that type of information, and
then when I wake up, I'm also

536
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:23.079
having the intent that I will remember
everything, that I will get the information

537
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:27.960
that I need that is in a
way that I can understand. And so

538
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.559
you know, the first thing I
do when I wake up is I replay

539
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.920
my whole dream sequence everything I can
remember, and then I go through my

540
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:40.920
notebook and I underline if there are
things that seem to correspond to what I

541
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.920
asked for, because a lot of
times people will show up, or you'll

542
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.159
be in some random location in your
dream and it's not relevant at all.

543
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.599
It's just you know, who knows
how it got there. But a lot

544
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:59.320
of times you will get the information
you ask for, but it's it's like

545
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:04.320
a water reflection of the real world. So you have to be able to

546
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.039
parse out the information in some way. And that's where just sort of reviewing

547
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:13.480
your dream notebook and then asking yourself, Okay, is there any action that

548
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.000
I need to take with this information? You know, I asked, should

549
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.800
I sell my business right now?
This is a good time to sell it?

550
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:22.920
Yes or no? And I get
a jumble of information, Well what

551
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.000
does that mean to me? Does
it make me feel confident that I should

552
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.800
sell? Is it not clear?
Should I ask again the next night for

553
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:35.920
more clarity or so? It can
be a process. But for entrepreneurs that

554
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.920
are trying to be so productive right
again, with the whole time thing,

555
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:44.039
there's like never enough time. You
get access to a whole eight more hours

556
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:52.280
of productive time that you can use
at night, and so I look forward

557
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.960
to going to bed every night because
I know that I can get something really

558
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.000
valuable from it. See now you
said something that I never really thought of,

559
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:00.800
and it makes so much sense because
I have heard a little bit about

560
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.679
setting intentions for your dreams and trying
to figure stuff out and process, and

561
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.800
I do that and it never works. But it might be because I never

562
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:13.159
set the intent to remember because I
won't remember necessarily what I dream So maybe

563
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.800
it did work. Maybe I got
that information, but I just don't remember,

564
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.239
So that I think is key at
least for me maybe able to hear

565
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.840
I'll try that, Yeah, absolutely, and being prepared right knowing that,

566
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:25.960
Okay, as soon as I wake
up, I'm gonna hold on to as

567
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.880
much as I can because they do
drift away so quickly in the morning.

568
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:36.599
Now, you are a quantum business
coach, right, you do this kind

569
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:40.800
of thing. You help people to
tap into the eight hours that they're sleeping.

570
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:46.760
You help people to really connect with
their time bending abilities. And I

571
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:52.400
mean so so so much more.
When looking at your website, don't we

572
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.239
probably wouldn't have enough time in two
hours to go through everything that you're doing.

573
00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.400
I mean you've actually gone out and
experienced more than fifty different modalities.

574
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.119
And we mentioned earlier on there was
healing techniques, which a lot more than

575
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.159
that. I mean, plant communication, telepathy, all these kinds of things

576
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:14.119
that has nothing to do with healing. But actually you looked into you sound

577
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.960
very similar to what we're doing,
where we're throwing ourselves into experiences and trying

578
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:23.559
to figure out how it speaks to
us. Has there been one thing that

579
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:28.719
really has smacked you in the head
and said this, Oh, this is

580
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:34.599
the secret to life, the secret
to life. One thing that I always

581
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:39.440
loved as a kid with gems and
minerals and crystals, and realizing that they

582
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:45.480
can be useful spiritual tools, that
they have their own flavor of how they

583
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:52.280
can help you in many ways was
just a delight for me to experience.

584
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.880
I teach people how to use grids
or rays of crystals again, like if

585
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:02.320
they're launching a new business offering how
to use crystals in a way that sort

586
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:07.480
of anchor in that field of a
future reality, like a successful business launch

587
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:15.559
a seven figure income. Using crystals
to sort of bring that from a less

588
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.760
dense ethereal plane into like physical material
reality is something that is a lot of

589
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.280
fun for me. So yeah,
I was happy to find something that I

590
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:28.880
already that I could use on a
sort of spiritual level. Oh my gosh,

591
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:34.159
I could talk to you forever.
You are a multifaceted, super fascinating.

592
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:38.079
I mean, you are an amazing
human being. I would urge anyone.

593
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.039
We haven't even talked about your books, right, You've got to activate

594
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.960
your life. You've got super conductors. You have so much about you that

595
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:51.960
people that are listening would really get
a lot from your podcast by itself.

596
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.159
I know I'm actually going to be
binge listening some of your episodes because some

597
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.239
of the things that you talked about
are fascinating to me. But it's someone

598
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.559
wanted to reach out to you to
learn more about you, I assume your

599
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.400
website would probably be the best way
to do that. Yeah, Derek Laudermilk

600
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.960
dot com and Derek Loudermilk on all
the social platforms as well. Well,

601
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.000
we're going to add direct links to
your website, your social media platforms,

602
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.920
your books, all that kind of
stuff. So if you want to get

603
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:21.960
in touch with Derek, all you
need to do is go to skepticmaneposition dot

604
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.199
com, go to his episode page, and you'll have all those direct links

605
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.280
there, so it makes it super
easy for you to reach out. Well,

606
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.639
Will and Karen, thanks thanks for
having me. Great to be here

607
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.960
with you, guys, this has
been fantastic. Thank you and listener,

608
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.760
thanks to you for coming along on
this journey of discovery. And hey,

609
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.320
we'd love it if you would do
us a huge favor and help us get

610
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.639
the show into the hands of those
that could really benefit from it. So

611
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.159
if you know someone that you think
would enjoy our conversations, please feel free

612
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.400
to share the show with them.
Let's show the world that we can be

613
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:58.239
a united front for good. Well
that's all for now. We we'll see

614
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:02.079
you on the next episode of The
Eptic Metaphysician. Until then, take care,