Karen, I don't think our guest today needs much of an introduction. All
I have to say is time travel. Has he been here before? We're
gonna find out, because I have. I'm obviously super intrigued about the topic
of time travel. But if that wasn't enough, right, he also is
going to talk to us about using telepathy. Ooh, I like that,
and how a magical tree guided him in his business, and how he uses
dream time to improve his life. I don't even know what dream time is
at the time when you're dreaming. We're gonna find out. And if that
wasn't enough, he actually experimented with more than fifty different energetic healing techniques and
he's here today talk to us about all of that. Wow. Are you
ready? Yes, well, strap in your seatbelts, because this one's gonna
be a wild one. My name is Will and I'm Karen. Unlike Boulder
and Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of
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the skeptic, metahisician, library warts and all. I am excited today as
always, but especially today. Our guest has a background as a microbiologist.
He was a pro cyclist and organized adventure retreats in the past, but now
he's a time traveler and a quantum business coach and a four time best selling
author and host of the podcast The Derek Loudermilk Show. Derek, I don't
even have the words to say how excited I am to have you on the
show, to say thanks for coming on. Well, it's great to be
here, thanks for having me. So have you been here before? Is
this our first time together? It is, as far as I know.
And the way that I see time travel is there's actually two different types of
time travel, and I'm more experienced in the type which is expanding time and
contracting time. Then there's also the type where you can travel backwards or forwards
in time, which according to physics, and if you once you go into
the higher dimensions right, time really collapses to a single point. So the
reason I started exploring time travel was so theoretically it should be possible to experience
time travel, but what types of things would lead me to have that experience,
How would I actually know how to time travel if I were, if
I were to try. And so where I started was trying to expand and
contract time and also arriving on time. And a lot of entrepreneurs that I
work with, they have this feeling of I don't have enough time, like
they're always rush, they're always busy. So I said, how can I
always have enough time to get everything done that I need to do? So
that's kind of where I started in my own exploration of time travel. That's
a perfect question too, because nobody ever has enough time. I know.
I know time is not on our side, that's for sure. So then
you're talking about not actually going back and slapping high fives with Columbus, but
rather expanding time so you have more time in your day to get all your
tasks accomplished. Is that right? Yeah? And so I realized that one
of the first things that early humans did was establish time and space coordinates.
They would build something like stone hinge to establish and start mapping things so they
could say, Okay, here's the terrain, here's the space we have dominion
over, and here's how we're going to keep track of the progression of experiences,
which is time. And as soon as you start mapping those things,
you can start to control them. And then if you operate outside of looking
at your watch, outside of time, and outside of maps, and you're
just sort of being in the present where you are, those constraints don't apply
to you as much. It's almost a belief system which is causing you to
operate in time and space. Interesting. So when I remember when I was
a kid and summertime would come along and it was forever right, Summer was
the longest time of the year, and it was glorious, a glorious longest
time of the year, and then school days were even longer. Now,
as an older gentleman, and I won't say my age because I don't want
to make anyone jealous, but now summertimes go buying a blitz. Before you
know it, we're bundling up for winter again. So how does our perception
as we grow older alter our perception of time. I would venture to say,
if you were filling your days with as many new experiences as you were
as when you were a kid, that you might have the same experience of
the speed of time. The way that I see it is time is helpful
because it helps us track experiences and growth. And so if you're continually exposing
yourself to novel things, you probably would get the same feeling as if when
you were a kid. See, it was different for me though. Getting
to summer is what took forever. It was like two and a half years
to get to summer, and then summer was like two days, you know,
because I was having so much fun. And they do. They always
say that time flies when you're having fun, That's what they say. So
is that true? Yeah, and potentially right, because you're not aware you're
having fun and you're in the present, right, You're in a flow state
often and so time is irrelevant. It could go by really fast or slowly
and you might not even know. And this being present with ourselves in the
moment is part of what I've been able to do. And so a lot
of people, Right you have a call, you have to make a podcast
appointment, you have to be there on time, you have to whatever it
might be. And that's what gives us the feeling of, I think,
being on the back foot, of having to respond to the demands of the
world. So the first experiment I did to try to prove to myself that
I could time travel. Was I went to the gym and I wanted to
do a long workout, maybe a two three hour workout, and I only
had one hour before dinner, and so I said, Okay, I want
to go to the gym and have as much time as I need for this
workout without feeling rushed, without feeling like I had to check my watch.
I specifically did not look at any time devices, and I ended up doing
my full workout and arriving at home just right on time to wash my hands
and sit done to dinner. And so, you know, Will, I
think maybe you and I are similar in that we like to explore experiment to
see if it works for us. And that early experiment, you know,
the first time you try something and it works, then then you think,
okay, well what else can I try? Can I keep? Can I
keep progressing with this? So is it like you have this experience and you're
in that experience and you're experiencing that experience for as long as it takes.
That's a lot of experience, and then time kind of adjusts itself accordingly,
Like when you're done, you're done, and you're done with the time,
Yes, I think. I think time can speed up and slow down for
individuals without messing up the time stream for the whole collective. The next the
next time I tried this, I wanted to focus on arriving on time or
being in the right place at the right time, And so I spent a
full day going on an adventure, on a bike ride, a date with
my wife. We went to a different state. We rode all day,
and we had to pick up my kid from school, and we we didn't
look well, my wife might have, but I didn't look at the time
all day, and I was the one in charge of making sure we got
there. And it is stressful a little bit to You have to have some
amount of faith in the universe that you're not going to, you know,
leave your kid and he's going to be there crying out by himself when you
get there. But when we arrived, and there was there was lots of
un expected detours right, you know, flat tires and wrong turns and all
this stuff. We arrived at school pickup precisely on time, like I was
walking up to the school as he was walking out of school, and so
there were people that arrived before me and there were people that arrived a little
bit after me, but I was the only one who was precisely exactly on
time. I don't know if I could do that out of been panicking like
flat tire? Are you kidding me that I had a heart attack? Oh
my god? The kid? Well, Karen, Actually there is a practice
I should say when we were doing these things when I joined the coven,
when I really dove in to try to figure this whole coven thing out.
One of the things that they did is was called bending time, and the
concept was to not look at the clock at all. Like if I was
I was running late for work, I said, I get in the car
and I set an intention them going to drive seemspe as ever, no rush,
no panic. But when I get there, I see myself arriving right
on time. And the key is not to look at the clock at all
while you're on the road, and inevitably, when you do that, you
would get there on time. How many times have you said to me,
how did you get us here on time? And you cannot share this with
me? For all the time we've had to pick up Scanna from school and
I'm panicking in the tuile traffic. Well, a guy. A guy can
tell all his secret Kenny, how about just one? So I'm assuming this
is kind of a similar concept, Derek, where you're bending time in order
to fulfill needs that you have. Has it ever backfired on you? Though?
No. Sometimes I've just abandoned it by getting too nervous and checking my
watch without thinking and then being like ugh, you know, and then then
it sorts to dissolve the process. If you'd like, I can sub to
the other type of time travel. But before you do that, so just
to clarify that, the act of looking at your watch the whole entropy of
things, right, is that what you're saying that the minute you look at
the clock, that's it. That's kind of just yeah, yeah, okay,
that that is similar than to what they're saying, because that was the
big thing. You just cannot look at your watch. You cannot look at
your clock, and you'll get their own time and it has worked more time
than not to your point. So you're a time traveler too. It's great.
But I would say I'm a time bender, I'm not sure if I
would. I would say I was a traveler. But but then let's talk
about the other type of time travel, which is really, as a science
fiction fan, an absolute obsession of mine. Yeah, So I think there's
there's two ways to go about it. There's a technological based way and then
there's a consciousness based way. And so if you think about going back to
let's say Roman gladiatther times or into the future or flying cars or whatever,
there's a space and time component and that the way that I've found the access
point for this is when so you guys are probably familiar with past lives all
being part of the same over soul. What I what I would do is
I would find a past or future version of myself, because that's the closest
connection that I have. So I would, let's say I have a version
of myself that was alive in Roman times, and I would essentially match my
frequency, my vibration by just tuning in to that version of myself, and
then I could begin to view the world through their eyes and have the experience
of living in that time as that version of myself. And so it's not
that I'm actually taking my physical body now and putting it in that space,
is that I'm taking my consciousness and putting it in a situation to experience that
time and place. There was a great TV show on Netflix since parb still
is, called Travelers. It was the same similar concept that they actually beamed
their consciousness into people from the past. Wasn't their own cells, it was
someone else. It was someone who would who is just in a vergion of
dying. At the point of death, they would take over their bodies or
send over their consciousness to take over their bodies, and that's how they traveled.
But they couldn't go back in the future, go back to the future,
that we were stuck in the past. That Yeah, sorry, I
mentioned sci fi fan of from a tangent, So that's interesting. So one
could say that past life regression is could be potentially a form of time travel
where you're actually going back into your self back in Roman times and experiencing those
times while you're under hypnosis. Yeah, and as far as you know,
we were talking about experiences. You know, it kind of depends on if
you feel that you're really there, if you feel how real it is,
or if you feel like you're just observing a person like going through this.
And I think that it just has to do with how well you can sort
of match the the feeling state, the frequency state of that person, and
time. So when you've done this, can you actually like touch an object
and remember how that feels like are you fully present there or is it more
of an observation. So the one that I remember the best was actually I
went in the future and actually it was the same, same incarnation, the
same body, which was really interesting to me experiencing myself. It was about
one hundred and ten years in the future, and I looked about the same
and we were all living in a sort of agrarian utopia, high tech agrarian
utopia. And I was essentially able to to tour my own neighborhood in the
future, and so you know, there was like the environment, the sights
and smells and sounds. I think we're probably the things that stuck with me
the most from that experience. Wow. So this is possible to go forward
in time as much as it is to go backwards in time. The only
thing is that past events you could kind of corroborate to a certain extent if
you find things in the past and the history books or whatever. But in
the future, it's just kind of assuming that it's the case. Now,
my one big passive progression. I did feel I felt the fire in my
face, I felt the heat. So I do feel that I was there
for that sense. But I'm absolutely fascinated with the concept of going forward in
time, especially knowing now that we're going to be on this great society one
hundred and something years from now it still look the same ways we do.
That that makes me feel much better. Makes me feel better too. Can
you control how far forward you go? Like, could you say I want
to go fifty years or does it have to be one hundred and fifty or
do you have no control over that? You just kind of land where you'd
land. I imagine with practice you could control it better. And as you
alluded to, well I do a lot of experimenting, a lot of dabbling,
and so I still fairly beginner at this. I kind of just get
what I'm getting. Hey, I take it absolutely. That's that's fascinating.
Really is You mentioned the technical logical way of doing time travel as well,
which we don't currently have. Obviously, there's no time machine that I'm aware
of on this HG. Wells was onto something lots of dials and gas and
yeah, and I've seen it where it's like the chair you're in, and
I also seeing it was just like all the you go into this hot tub.
Yeah, the hot tug time machine. Absolutely, there's all kinds of
time machines which we don't have. Makes me sad, but doesn't this Maybe
that's the reason why we can't physically travel the future or the past, because
the whole butterfly effect, right, you can change something and change all of
reality. And that brings to mind something that Benji Share said to us Karen
a while back when he was talking about reality transurfing, where all time is
happening at the same time, all at once, and it's just a matter
of hopping from one film strip so to speak to another. Is that a
similar concept to what you're thinking about? Or do we actually go back to
our current timeline or I mean the question would be is a different dimension or
is it truly our own time timeline? I think things can can get messy,
and from what I understand about timelines and time streams, there's there's probabilities
for each one as an individual and for us as a collective like the Earth
humans timeline, and that many of these would just fail, right if they
lead to some sort of catastrophic event or the non progression of the evolution of
consciousness they would consider to be a failed timeline, and those and that,
so we have no awareness of our alternate selves that are experiencing these sort of
failed timelines. But I think if you there's there's that Marvel series Loki and
they talk about there's the Time Variance Authority, and they're like trying to repair
these offshoot timelines, I think it can get pretty messy. And if you
have to go back and try to repair timelines, because it's just the computational
understanding would need to be sort of nearly infinite. But I understand there is
that that Time Variance Authority is probably alluding to an actual unit that works with
a council, let's say, an intergalactic council that keeps certain time streams within
a bounance. Really, so you think that actually there is a council that
actually works outside of time that helps to make sure the time stream is intact.
Yeah, I've heard this from people who channel higher dimensional beings, and
I've also heard it from people that work in the military, and so from
sort of multiple sources. They refer to it generally as the Arcturian Time Council,
so it seems to be a species from that star system that have adept
dealing with with time streams. In particular, we're talking about the Earth human
time stream of like where we're going right now as a planet. You are
blowing my mind that I did not expect us to go down that not either.
This is amazing, so and it's just so happens. We just talked
to someone that does speak with ets and different beings from different stars and things
like that. She never mentioned that, but she did mention that there's a
several different races out there that do and routinely visit us to help us with
our evolution and all this kind of stuff, and we don't have to go
too far though. It goes sticking with the Marvel universe in the Avengers when
you're talking about was endgame, I think it was where if you make a
change, the timeline splits off into its own different reality. So it could
potentially be that there's an infinite number of us living infinite possibilities in different dimensions
all at the same time, and it starts to make my mind all warpy.
So I'm just going to stop with exponential growth, right. But what
I think is really fascinating is that some of these blockbuster movies there are organizations,
like I interviewed a guy on my own show who works for this millennia
old organization that is like the Spiritual Cia, he calls it, and they
will bank, bankroll or fund films and release little drips of information to sort
of make the public aware of things that are happening. And so TLS it's
the light system, and of course we know that they're like on the other
side, there are you know, people using movies for propaganda in other ways
as well. So it's like whenever you're watching Hollywood production, I often have
this undercurrent of like, are there any subtle messages or belief structures that are
themes in this movie that that one side or another is trying to to bring
into the sort of awareness of the masses. Well, that's interesting because I've
always thought that when we see these movies specifically about alien invasions, and it's
always you know, they're come in, they're killing us all, and there
are very scary movies. And then the woman we spoke with a couple of
weeks ago said, no, that's you know that's not how it's going to
be. We actually have some people that are protecting us. So but that's
interesting because I like, I'm always thought, are they preparing us? You
know? So we should we be getting ready for something? Because all the
movies are like that and freaks me out a little bit. I get the
feeling that Derek is saying, yeah, I know this is not the conversation.
Let's go back to time so future, no past, let's go to
the past, safer there. How do you know this is real? Day?
That's my question? Well? What? Sorry? Well I would say
that because we're talking about it, it's real because now you and I are
agreeing that it's something that we can share communication about the experience. If it
was just me, perhaps there could be some question. But if we agree
that it's real, then it becomes real. So I'm not one hundred percent
sure. I agreed that it was real first and foremost. I'm viously we're
just having a conversation, right, But its real. I mean I would
love for it to be real. It's it certainly makes life a lot more
interesting, a lot more fun. Oh my god, so many questions and
we were just on time travel. We've got a lot of other stuff we
got to talk about. If someone wanted to experience time travel for themselves,
what's the best way to do that in your estimation, Yeah, I think
putting yourself in a state, in a feeling state of what it would be
like for you to and let's do the time bending side of things, like
if you wanted to always have enough time, if you wanted to always be
on time, be in the right place at the right time for all the
good things that are happening. There's a certain way that that would feel for
you to experience that, and so you would want to get very clear on
what that is like for you so that you know it very well, and
then practice returning to that place. And I think what generally happens is that
you'll tend to experience the world as someone where you know, you finish everything
on time, and so it just becomes less of an issue the deadlines and
the pressure and the scheduling and all that stuff because of the way that you're
showing up in the state that you're living in. So it sounds like there's
a little bit of manifestation in there. I was thinking just that, so
you manifest arriving on time. You have to know what it feels like to
do that. Yeah, and then if we wanted to talk about the actual
travel rather than bending, how did you accomplish it? Yeah, it's really
similar to astral projection technique. There's even you know, even in some of
the hypnosis apps or the brain brain wave audio apps, you can get someone
to walk you into like you were talking about your past life regression. Just
a nice induction technique, a good visualization that it will get you into particular
brain wave state which will allow you then to have that experience, which is
a surefirewave having will not time travel because I've been trying to ask to project
forever and never never happen. So Okay, I'm happy living in the current.
I'm not gonna be better. We have to let go of the control,
let yourself get into that mind state. Right. Well, I'll send
you I'll send you an audio that you could try. Really. Oh,
that would be amazing, Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that very much.
Yeah, I've been trying for literally decades. We need to take a
quick break, but we'll be right back with more amazing conversation on the skeptic
metaphysicians. We do have a lot more to talk about in terms of time
travel, but I do want to get to the telepathy thing. You use
telepathy on your son and your cat. I just watched the movie Men Who
Stare At Goats? Right, is it like that where you just kind of
stare at someone and you force them to do something or do you communicate with
them? How do you define telepathy? Well, your use of language they're
forcing is the thing that it's going to get in the way. Actually,
so there's always a thing that gets in my way. You know, I'm
right there with you. Like the harder I try, the less it works.
And I didn't know that I had telepathy until I met a woman who
teaches animal telepathy. She works with Olympic horse jumping athletes and their horses,
and she also works with the Netflix and does the animals for shows and stuff
like that. And she said, oh, I can teach you telepathy in
just a few minutes. I was like, yeah, well that would be
amazing, like please please do And it's again, she has a particular way
of getting people into a state where they're open enough to receive information, and
she ended up she was teaching me live on Instagram how to do this,
So I believe it's still on her Instagram account. Her her name's Dita Young.
She's from Denmark. And so she had me practice. She held up
pictures of horses and these were clients of hers, so she knew their complete
medical history. And so she had me diagnose these horses by you know's what's
wrong with this horse? Just showing a picture. And I would say,
oh, you know, it has a weird impingement in its neck on the
left side, and it's it's not placing its weight enough on the back foot
because of a twe and the hips. And I don't really know how I
knew this stuff, but I was right. I was a one hundred percent
accurate my first try. Wow. And so she said, yeah, I
can verify all this because I have the medical history of the horses right here.
And I thought, oh my gosh, that's that's too easy. It's
so easy just by doing it, you did it well. So having her
there sort of encouraging me like, okay, okay, now is there anything
with his digestion or houses digestion. She actually tried to trick me a couple
of times. She was like you know, does this horse like other horses
or not? And then I was like, yeah, he does, and
she's like, okay, good, you got it. But so that the
challenging thing for me was knowing which was my own thoughts and which were the
thoughts of the horses, because they both sounded like me. And so the
I think part of the learning process of telepathy, as I think probably a
lot of people will be able to learn it, we should theoretically all be
telepathic. I think it will be understanding when someone else has it, has
a thought, and it discerning between your thoughts and their thoughts. And I
have the same problem. So I try to practice on my cats. One
of my cats will come up to me and look at me, and I'll
be like, I should go let the other cat in from the rain.
And then I'm like, did you just tell me to go let your friend
in from the rain? And this hasn't happened so many times that I realize
that's how this cat, one of my cats communicates with me. But I
at first I always think that it's my own idea, and then I realize
after a minute that it's coming from my pet. Wow, can you put
your ideas into your pet, like just say, goally down over there,
and it does. Sometimes. Yeah, I've like I can invite them to
come sit with me, or I can tell them, you know, I
refilled your bawl, like you know you can, you can go drink it
now and they'll go, or they'll come and sit on my lap. But
it's again, I think if I'm trying hard, it doesn't work, or
maybe they're not paying attention. Maybe they're just too busy and they don't pick
up my twip. You know, I knew that my cats were telepathic.
I knew it. I knew it, Karen, and I told you about
it a long time ago. But now, yes I did. Maybe I
sent to you telepathic. Maybe I thought it was just me. So I
mean, I I have sat I can't tell you the amount of times that
someone you know, those cards and flash cards to start it's a circle,
it's a square, it's a guy sitting on a chair, and I my
success rate on those is like one in one hundred and fifty two. Right,
I guess I just don't trust myself enough. Or is it just that
you have to have someone there that that has these skill sets that allow you
to bring yours out well, the thing that I think probably would be holding
you back. So there's at the Science Center where I live in Saint Louis,
there's this special game where it's like who can meditate better, who can
put their brain in a more calm state, And you push a little puck
across the board, so if you are more calm, it pushes it into
their goal, and if they're more calm, it pushes it into your goal.
So I played with my wife and she instantly got into this perfectly calm,
sort of zero awareness meditative state and it was like, slam the pucketo
my goal and I was like wait. And then I was like no,
no, no, let's do it again, because I meditate because I'm good
at this. And so then my ego is like, okay, don't think,
don't think, don't think, and boom, she got it right in
every time. And so here I am trying to think how I can quickly
enter a zen flow state, and then she just does it. And so
I think what happens is, especially in our culture and especially with men,
especially with scientists, we really get into thinking and that changes our brainwave states
to such a degree that it just excludes the possibility of many of the experiences.
So I think looking at brainwave states and training that would be a great
place to start. So then I assume that you're you're wired up to something
that you got a little head electrode hat on see now knowing you will if
we were doing that, you would want to switch sides make sure it just
wasn't right. That was my next question. Did you switch side to see
if it was rigged? No, but you can track, like on the
screen it shows the person's brainwave states, and I like, there was one
moment when I was calm and it dipped down and I was like, yes,
I did it, and then right away my awareness of doing it ruined
the whole thing, right right Then, it seems like telepathy is a lot
more prevalent out there than people give credit for. Then you think, is
everything Does everyone speak telepathically to each other? We just don't know. Well,
So so again, this woman in DTA said that she's been able to
train four hundred people in telepathy so far, and that she has in order
to certify them basically to go out and do medical diagnoses, they have to
be one hundred percent accurate because otherwise it opens them up to well. Also,
they're working with veterinary doctors and they want to be able to continue doing
it too. Yeah, there's a lot of times it's hard to diagnose exactly
what's wrong with a high performance animal, so they bring them in as support.
But not all of her students achieve the perfect rate of diagnosis. I
would love to get to fifty percent. I really would. Can you tell
us about some of the experiences you've had with your son doing this? Yeah,
so when he was really little he's five now. When he was much
younger, the first sort of link that I noticed that we had was code
dreaming, actually, and we would we often share dreams in the morning.
Who if we remember our dreams, we tell them to each other and interpret
them around the breakfast table. And he would share dreams that I had,
and I would ask him. I would try to quiz him about certain aspects
of the dream to see if they were the same. And then I could
go and say, here's what I wrote in my dream journal, and you
told me we were sitting the first time it happened. He was like,
we were in this neighborhood with big mansions and tall trees, and we were
sitting on the curb sort of waiting for a parade to go by, and
then we found something and I had like a drawing of us. We found
a treasure chest with rubies in it in the gutter, in the drain gutter,
and I had, you know, the same scene as him. Basically.
The only difference was like, Yeah, it was so cool, and
I was like, oh my gosh, we're connected. That is mind blowing.
I mean, there's gotta be something where some people are more adept at
this than others, right, I don't truly believe it's just that I'm blocked.
Some people are actually a lot more open to these types of things than
others. Is that right? Or am I just really dense? You left
a little too hard on that one, Karen Well, I would say seven
years ago I had I was essentially completely living as a materialist scientist and simply
just wasn't looking for these types of experiences. And I think almost I think
every human has access to all of these things. They're just just haven't looked
yet or haven't tried or played around with it because they don't believe it's real
or they don't believe it would work. Or they just don't even know it
exists. Maybe and maybe will maybe it has happened, because how many times
have we been sitting down and I've said, oh, you know, said
something before you said it, or vice versa. Well, that's you,
that's you. You're telepathic. I've said that a long time ago. You
know what I'm gonna do before I do it, before I even think about
it, you'd know about it. It's the other way. It doesn't go
the other way. It is predictable. That's a fair point too, you
know when you have these conversations. We're doing the show for over a year
now, and sometimes the conversation kind of drags on a little bit and it's
like, how is it possible we've only spoken for ten minutes. I believe
that Derek's been bending time because we are already like way past the half been
at mark. But this is way too fascinating of a topic not to go
long. I hope it's take up too much of your time. But I
did tease the other stuff we talked about that we'd be really badly served if
we didn't touch on. So we'll hopefully come back to this. But tell
me about this magical tree. Oh oh yeah, is it close close to
my heart? And one of the things it's sort of started expanding my awareness
because you know, I'm from Missouri, which we call the show me State,
and a lot of times it takes a lived experience of something before you
can can really know what it's like. And this magical tree I don't have.
I wish I had a name for it, because I feel like it
deserves a name. So deep in the jungles of Bali, in the heart
and the center of Bali, is this tree which is eight hundred maybe a
thousand years old and has three trunks which all come together about sixty feet in
the air, and the tree itself is a couple hundred feet tall, and
it's just a beautiful, fascinating tree from a biology level. But when I
visited it for the third time and I touched it, I was instantly sort
of given an electric shock. And this was I think my first out of
body experience. It projected my consciousness to a different forest that a different part
of the world which I came to understand was in China. And this forest,
which is on the edge of the Gobi Desert, and the desert itself
is rapidly expanding there and sort of taking over the forest as a result,
ruining things. So the message was, you know, not that this tree
was worried for itself, but I am worried about the state of the ecology
of the world. And it's because humans are not paying attention. They have
separated themselves from nature, because you put yourself in boxes and you don't even
see the nature that you are. And so es since it reminded me of
you know, my own spending less time in the wilderness. I spent a
lot of time in the woods camping growing up. I was just always out
in the woods, and you know, I was neglecting my own connection with
nature. But I received a sort of a mission to bring leaders, to
bring entrepreneurs, to bring change makers out into the wilderness to reconnect with that
aspect of themselves. So I said, you know what, that sounds actually
really fun for me. So I'm gonna I'm going to start a branch of
my business, which is we called it Adventure Quest, and we would mix
leadership training with adventure activities and take people into the jungle or caving or rock
climbing or whatever it might be, and we would challenge them physically, but
also you know, immerse them right in a wild place so that they could
Yeah. I let that there. Let's call it domestication, wash wash away
for a moment. One of my favorite books is a Celestine Prophecy, and
he talks about a lot about plants and the energies that come from plants,
and two plants from each other and from us. So I am a firm
believer in connecting with nature and things like that, but I've never been electrically
shocked. I mean that sounds terrifying. It was intense. I mean I
was crying, I was sweating, I was shaking, and I had a
a very wise woman with me and my girlfriend at the time. She said,
you know, you take as long as you need, just sit right
here in the heart of the tree and have this experience, and then we
can debrief together afterwards. You can, you can process it with me.
And I was like, you know, as a gift of her saying that
for me, was there ayahuasca involved in any way or anything like that,
or is it just straight sober Yeah, just you know, we were out
walking in the in the jungle. Yeah, just normal, normal day.
Wow, that is fascinating. Okay, So then Karen, any question about
the tree, because I'll move on otherwise because I do have a lot of
questions. But well, yeah, the same. But we don't have a
lot of time. Well maybe we do. We should have been bending time
the other direction, not forward, but backwards, for crying out loud,
So dream time, you use dream time to improve your life? Does that
to Karen's question earlier on in the show, is that while you're sleeping,
while you're dreaming, you create intentions or howse that work exactly? And the
bigger picture is that with so many of these techniques, I want people to
find some benefit to them, and I work with a lot of high performing
entrepreneurs, athletes and people that are really pushing the envelope, and so I'm
always looking for ways to apply these things. So especially for entrepreneurs, you
know what, do they need? A lot they need Sometimes they need customers,
sometimes they need creativity, sometimes they need to sort out difficult relationship challenges
as a leader, and so a lot of these things can be worked through
or accessed through in dream time. And the important part is again the intent
and setting up your dream time. So let's say I want to find customers.
Let's say I want new customers. Either I want my subconscious to tell
me exactly who those customers are so that I can just call them up,
or I can tell them where to place my marketing efforts so that the right
people will find me. So I can go to bed with the intent to
receive that type of information, and then when I wake up, I'm also
having the intent that I will remember everything, that I will get the information
that I need that is in a way that I can understand. And so
you know, the first thing I do when I wake up is I replay
my whole dream sequence everything I can remember, and then I go through my
notebook and I underline if there are things that seem to correspond to what I
asked for, because a lot of times people will show up, or you'll
be in some random location in your dream and it's not relevant at all.
It's just you know, who knows how it got there. But a lot
of times you will get the information you ask for, but it's it's like
a water reflection of the real world. So you have to be able to
parse out the information in some way. And that's where just sort of reviewing
your dream notebook and then asking yourself, Okay, is there any action that
I need to take with this information? You know, I asked, should
I sell my business right now? This is a good time to sell it?
Yes or no? And I get a jumble of information, Well what
does that mean to me? Does it make me feel confident that I should
sell? Is it not clear? Should I ask again the next night for
more clarity or so? It can be a process. But for entrepreneurs that
are trying to be so productive right again, with the whole time thing,
there's like never enough time. You get access to a whole eight more hours
of productive time that you can use at night, and so I look forward
to going to bed every night because I know that I can get something really
valuable from it. See now you said something that I never really thought of,
and it makes so much sense because I have heard a little bit about
setting intentions for your dreams and trying to figure stuff out and process, and
I do that and it never works. But it might be because I never
set the intent to remember because I won't remember necessarily what I dream So maybe
it did work. Maybe I got that information, but I just don't remember,
So that I think is key at least for me maybe able to hear
I'll try that, Yeah, absolutely, and being prepared right knowing that,
Okay, as soon as I wake up, I'm gonna hold on to as
much as I can because they do drift away so quickly in the morning.
Now, you are a quantum business coach, right, you do this kind
of thing. You help people to tap into the eight hours that they're sleeping.
You help people to really connect with their time bending abilities. And I
mean so so so much more. When looking at your website, don't we
probably wouldn't have enough time in two hours to go through everything that you're doing.
I mean you've actually gone out and experienced more than fifty different modalities.
And we mentioned earlier on there was healing techniques, which a lot more than
that. I mean, plant communication, telepathy, all these kinds of things
that has nothing to do with healing. But actually you looked into you sound
very similar to what we're doing, where we're throwing ourselves into experiences and trying
to figure out how it speaks to us. Has there been one thing that
really has smacked you in the head and said this, Oh, this is
the secret to life, the secret to life. One thing that I always
loved as a kid with gems and minerals and crystals, and realizing that they
can be useful spiritual tools, that they have their own flavor of how they
can help you in many ways was just a delight for me to experience.
I teach people how to use grids or rays of crystals again, like if
they're launching a new business offering how to use crystals in a way that sort
of anchor in that field of a future reality, like a successful business launch
a seven figure income. Using crystals to sort of bring that from a less
dense ethereal plane into like physical material reality is something that is a lot of
fun for me. So yeah, I was happy to find something that I
already that I could use on a sort of spiritual level. Oh my gosh,
I could talk to you forever. You are a multifaceted, super fascinating.
I mean, you are an amazing human being. I would urge anyone.
We haven't even talked about your books, right, You've got to activate
your life. You've got super conductors. You have so much about you that
people that are listening would really get a lot from your podcast by itself.
I know I'm actually going to be binge listening some of your episodes because some
of the things that you talked about are fascinating to me. But it's someone
wanted to reach out to you to learn more about you, I assume your
website would probably be the best way to do that. Yeah, Derek Laudermilk
dot com and Derek Loudermilk on all the social platforms as well. Well,
we're going to add direct links to your website, your social media platforms,
your books, all that kind of stuff. So if you want to get
in touch with Derek, all you need to do is go to skepticmaneposition dot
com, go to his episode page, and you'll have all those direct links
there, so it makes it super easy for you to reach out. Well,
Will and Karen, thanks thanks for having me. Great to be here
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