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In this episode today. You know, Shelly what we have not had a

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guest on in a really long time. I think we should have one on

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right now today. Okay, who
do you want to get? Let me

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get my phone out. Who do
you want to call? Well, we

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already recorded it, so I mean, I'm trying to make their listeners like

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it's so spontaneous. I'm feeling all
the spontaneity right now. I have I

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have a phone number, I'll just
call. I'll just call here, calling

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people and maybe we can get them
to be guests on the show. Yeah,

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yeah, here, let me how
about we just run the interview we

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already recorded. We're calling We're calling
her? Are you're calling Breal right now?

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On her? Right now? You're
just like randomly pushing this is our

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number? Can we just get to
the interview we had? Okay, our

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guest today. I want to see
if this actually calls anyone? Who are

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you calling? I don't know?
International? Is an international? Didn't go

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through? Get back to the pound
sign yes? Sorry? Sorry? Okay,

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So our guest today, and you
know what, we had so much

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content we're splitting it up into two
episodes. Yeah, such a good freaking

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interview yeah, I'm not lying totally. And our guest, if I could

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get to it, sorry, is
Brielle Decker. Yes, she is the

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subject of a documentary called Prisoner of
the Prophet. Yes, it is about

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Warren Jeffs. She was. She's
going to come on in a second.

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I don't need to tell her story, but she was Warren Jeff's sixty somethink

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I think sixty fifth sixty fifth wife
who's counting. Yeah, you know once

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you're above like fifty y. I
think it's just all kind of blend unbelievable

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story. Seriously, please stay tuned
to listen to that. Also, at

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the end, we've got kind of
a related foom pod we're gonna do.

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We're gonna give it a go.
Okay, and then patrons, No,

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it's not related. The patron names
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Oh so the foom pod has nothing
to do with anything in the intern not

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a damn thing. It just was
something I happened to say, and you're

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like what and then we realize,
oh, oh that's you don't know what

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this is said it in the interview. Okay, we are rambling. We're

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two minutes into an intro. Look
at us. Go, don't give up,

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don't give up. We're gonna get
to it, I promise. All

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right, Well we will be right
back. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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Latter Day Lesbian, the podcast about
an next Mormon gay girl just trying to

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figure out her life. My name
is Mary, my name is Shoey,

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and I have to say sorry,
I'm just gonna keep talking. Our recordings

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are very infrequent right now because we
are so hella busy. But literally,

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every time I hear you say the
intro that you just did, I get

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happy. I don't know, I
don't know. As much as we're like

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trying to cram in podcasting along with
our daily lives, there's just this feeling

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of like happiness and home and I
really like it. Something familiar. Yes,

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it's like I'm talking to my friends
out there and I'm a big wide

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world. Oh I'm glad that people
can give you, I don't know,

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warm fuzzies, warm fuzzies. And
maybe it's something to do with my recording.

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Maybe it's my voice, it's your
sexy recording. It for sure,

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that's what it is. Well,
why don't we get to our guest,

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shall we? Yeah, so Shelley, we have a special guest today.

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So excited. Our guest is Brielle
Decker from the documentary on Discovery Plus,

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Prisoner of the Profit. I think
this is our first interview with anyone x

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FLDFLDS. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. We're so excited.

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Brill, welcome to our show.
We're so happy to have you. Thank

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you. We watched the show.
I guess it's been a month saying I

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had to pull my jaw off the
floor after watching. Yeah. Wow,

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Bril's like the star of the show. Oh yeah, and we'll get in

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that into that in just a second. Um. Also, those of you

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who have not seen it, like
what the hell's wrong with you? On

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Discovery Plus or Amazon Prime add on? You have to see this right And

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this parting is a spoiler alert?
Were right? Yeah that's true. I

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don't know this as much as of
a spoiler, but this is like you

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will get to know the story so
much better because we're talking to the star.

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And if you've already seen it,
watch it again, Like listen to

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this episode, watch it again because
you're gonna get some more insight there.

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So we're so excited. Yeah,
before we dive into the nuts and bolts

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of the documentary, Brielle, how
did you come to make a documentary for

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Discovery? Plus? I got approached
by a producer, and that's usually my

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history anyway with all my media is
people come to me. And then I

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talked to her for a while,
kind of got to know her, and

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then we decided to sign with her
for a small like a small contract that

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was basically saying she has like ten
months to get all her things in a

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row. She didn't really go into
what she needed to do, but it

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took about three years from that day
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was aired. And in the same
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had seven other people approached me.
That's how great this story is. This

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is interesting that coincidentally these other you're
approached by other producers. How did that

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even happen? Was it? Like? Was there an article about you that

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came out and now suddenly producers were
calling you? Like? How did that

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go down? When I first escaped, I didn't want to talk in media

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at all because I didn't see the
point of it and I needed a support

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system more. I needed to have
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survival reasons. More than to be
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time I just avoided it. It
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that I went public because I was
looking for the Dream Center that is now

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the Recovery Center. So if you
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wanted to see the house because it's
a high profiled house. So that's how

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I got really big into media.
Yes, we're going to talk extensively about

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the Dream Center because I think that's
just an amazing and amazing thing. So

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really quickly, for those of you
who have never heard of Prisoner of the

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Prophet, never heard of Warren Jeffs, Brielle, give us a summary of

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who you are and what the FLDS
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Okay, So I was the sixty
fifth wife of Warren Jeff's who is a

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cult leader. I call it cult. Some people will shy away from that

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word, but I don't. It's
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So sixty fourth wife is like he
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not like he was a widower sixty
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These were all at the same time. She said, sixty fifth five.

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Yeah, and he had seventy nine
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amazing. So let's talk about the
movie a bit. Something that struck me

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right from the beginning, as you
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apostate, right, and that hit
me like, yeah, girl, be

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proud. What does it mean to
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want to know how that makes you
so proud? Well, if you google

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what an apostate means in the Greek
form, I don't know if that matters

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to you guys, but it says
an apostate is a runaway slave. So

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I'm like they probably knew that when
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church called an apostate. I believe
Jon Smith knew that. Yeah, they're

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a runaway slave. So yeah,
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of slavery, so um, that
would do there you go? That would

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make sense? Says so much about
that guy, know right, know right?

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I mean being proud of it is
like you escaped. Well, I'm

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not a slave anymore. Why would
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slave? Free? I love it. One thing I was laughing at in

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the beginning was you talked about how
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other planets. We've talked about that
before, and we call it the kitty

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litter Scooper where God must have like
on other planets and scooped up the dinosaur

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bones with the kitty letter and thrown
it into the Earth. And we laugh

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about it all the time. And
I couldn't remember where I got it from

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it and then you said that,
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must come back from like the original
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my head as I was a mainstream
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can talk about more of that if
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some of the weirdest things you were
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didn't think they were weird, but
now sure, right, So there's quite

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a few of them. Like they
did talk about in the documentary the Angels

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that We're going to come and kill
everyone that wasn't wearing long underwear. Oh

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gosh, they talked about wow,
yeah, the dinosaurs. Yeah, there's

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quite a few different weird things like
the lifting up, the lifting up,

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the lifting up Warren Jess taught that
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still the center steak and that in
the destructions were going to come. That's

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always a doctrine and Mormonism usually yep. And the righteous people who are good

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enough not so there are some people
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to qualify because they're not like living
right. So according to Warren and Jeff's,

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so the righteous people that are actually
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the earth when the destructions come and
then sit back down. Got then sit

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back down, okay, like gently
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Wow, I hate capital h the
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much in Mormon and clearly FLDS talk
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to qualify. Hate that word for
being saved for God to love you to

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get to marry. Warren Jeff's like, all this be qualified stuff. Was

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that in your head a lot,
like I need to qualify? Yeah,

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it was. That's the judgment part
of it, I think. Yeah,

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when they talk about you know,
judging people, you know, tattling on

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people. You know, if you
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you know, it's all about the
qualification. Yeah, especially in Warren Jeff's

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group, he did capitalize on separating
families over that one word. Basically,

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he is like Jelala Smith Thoughtrine of
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Missouri. He said they were kicked
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God said he sent a revelation the
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And so Warren Jeff stood up at
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to decide who was still under condemnation
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personally call the ones that are not
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live more of the laws. Wow. And that's how he started to separate

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the families. He definitely is not
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not at all. Warren Jeff's is
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says it says he is because that's
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family first, family first. But
yeah, yeah, but the FLDS,

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No, it's all about qualifying.
Oh okay, is it also the belief

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of like if only half of your
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see that other half ever again well
it's threatening, right, it's a way

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to controls. Yeah, that's also
a Mormon belief. You know if if

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you know the celestial kingdom, did
you guys have celestial celestial terrestrial? Yeah,

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there's many mansions in heaven. Yeah, it's so trippy that this is

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like cultier than culty, right,
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it was also taught in mainstream Mormonism. But it's almost like FLDS is mainstream

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on supercrack, like like more trauma
more. And I'm not trying to say

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that I relate to you in a
way that I understand. No, I

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don't understand that level. But yeah, exactly, they took everything to the

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biggest extreme that they could take it
to. Then hesitate to just say Jealsea

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Smith and Undridge bride, so we're
going to have an undredge brides with kids,

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you know, like everything to a
new level. Yeah, what about

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what the state thinks? Like the
state is against polygamy and there aren't really

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though they just made it legal in
Utah. I'm pretty much not legal,

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but it's like a parking ticket.
They couldn't make it legal. They tried

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that first, but because the Supreme
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make it legal, so they actually
made it a parking ticket in Utah.

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So they just kind of ignore it. Well, what you're saying is they

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just ignore it. Well, they
actually made it almost legal, as legal

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as they could possibly make it.
Right, right, right, what about

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the pedophile aspect? How does Utah
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Well, it's Utah. Yeah,
they have that in their history.

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And they tried to say they don't, but like they do have enough history

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with it, even with Brigham Young
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It doesn't feel like yeah, because
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you said that if you look at
and of course Utah politics is basically run

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by Mormons, Like that's just how
it is. So if Mormons know that

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in their past, like they'll never
call it pedophilia, but underage marriages were

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actually condoned and blessed by God for
Joseph Smith, bring him Young, Lorenzo

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Snow like all these profits. So
they can't really get too mad at you

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all. They'll just think that you're
kind of off your rocker, you shouldn't

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be doing it anymore. But we
get it, so you know, we

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can't really prosecute too harshly or will
look like we are also bad because we

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used to do this too. A
lot of people say Warren Jeff's if he

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was actually tried. He was tried
in Utah, but they did let it

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go for a technicality. Interesting,
So you talked about how Warren Jeffs outlawed

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toys. How old were you when
that hit? He kind of outlawed like

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certain kinds of first, like balls
and you know, you couldn't play the

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outside games because you're throwing our anger
at people. Oh my gosh, that's

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what he said. Yeah, okay, so he allowed those first, and

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then it got to toys when I
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couldn't have dolls, they couldn't have
any kind of anything. It was interesting

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though, watching them anyway. They
would just make them with their towels or

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whatever. They just roll off the
towel and play like it's a baby.

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Anyway. Kids need toys, Yeah, they need toys. He would just

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say, you need to let them
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for a doll, then you should
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I don't know, I don't believe
that. Yeah, but that's the same

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thing with like if they want to
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the younger and younger they would drive
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oh wow, wow dangerous. Yeah. Did you see the way it all

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that it affected kids for their just
suddenly feel like God wants them to have

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their playthings because they would think that
God said, right, yeah, you

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know if it comes through Warren Jeff's
you know, that's how I was.

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You know, I remember not questioning
and all the peer pressure in school was

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because I went to an FLDS homeschool. It was a so much peer pressure

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to to why would anybody be in
a postdate? Why would anybody leave?

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Why would why would you know?
I'm going to stay faithful forever? And

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all our friends were they would talk
that way because that was really the only

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way we could talk because they had
so many cameras and stuff in the school

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building that you'd get punished if you're
talking any other way. So then we

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are all set on the right track
all the time if we weren't talking that

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way, and so then we get
these convictions within ourselves that we're going to

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be loyal forever. Yeah, and
your girl up in your brain kind of

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goes, oh, I don't even
know what I was talking about. You

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know, you kind of have to
deny yourself to a degree. Yet the

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first I see that, it happens, you know, mainstream Mormonism with the

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bearing of testimonies. You know,
you hear someone that you look up to

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saying I know the Church's true.
The Spirit guise me the profitable blat and

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so you're like, oh, yeah, me too, me too, and

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it just spreads. Yeah. I
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time and there was two adult people
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standing by the stand and the other
one prompts her, I know the Aldias

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Church is not true. I'd like
to bear it was funny though, I'd

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like to jump in for just a
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Texas? I think we just need
a little more backstory, like you did

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you grow up in Utah? And
then I can't remember exactly how you ended

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up in Texas. I just think
that people probably haven't seen the documentary.

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A lot of people we want to
we want to cater to them. Okay,

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So I was born and raised in
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Salt Lake area. I was born
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saw on my father's side, they
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old. I got another mother when
I was thirteen years old. My sister,

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who was five years older than me, married Warren's father at that time

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when I was thirteen years old,
so we had like a barely big shift

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in our family. My grandparents on
my mother's side were converts and joined the

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church when she was four years old. And then some contexts it's interesting to

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most people is my parents were an
arranged marriage. The prophet before Warren's dad

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was his name was Leary Johnson,
and he pulled them aside at church and

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told them there was going to be
a wedding and they could say yes or

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know what the ceremony. And they
had never met each other. Wow,

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so they just it became a matter
of trust and they decided to say yes

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because there was no reason why not
to say yes. And I was their

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eleventh child, so wow. My
father he had a lot more I believe

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critical thinking, but he didn't talk
a lot, and nobody wanted to hear

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critical thinking talk. But his actions
would show me that he was critical thinker.

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He wouldn't always just jump on board. He'd sit there and think about

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it for a while and then he
would do something. And so like in

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my mind, I think I learned
critical thinking at a young age and to

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do the same thing, to not
voice it, but to act it the

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best way I could in the situation. Well, I'm sure it wasn't encouraged

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to voice any kind of critical nod. You get immediate pushments, so you

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had to really think hard about how
you're going to proceed. And he would

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take that time to do that.
So I knew he was a critical thinker.

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I know what the wording for that
was. And everything as a child,

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so wait a minute, you were
taken away from your parents. They

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were kicked out or something. My
grandparents, my father's parents were kicked out

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when I was thirteen. Yeah,
would they do? They watched TV Boston

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too much? Threes Company or something
back in the day, probably more like

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Lucy or something. Anyway, my
father didn't really go into details a lot

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about that. We heard things,
but he would when he pulled us all

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into the living room to tell us
that that had happened. When I was

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thirteen years old, he seemed really
sad, and he just told him,

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we don't We're not going to talk
about this. Basically, this is just

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what happened. Were you allowed to
stay in contact with them after they were

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kicked out? No, And even
like before that happened, My grandparents had

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a station, so that's what their
career. They had, like a gas

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station that they managed. It still
there in Sandy, Utah. They were

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going to turn it over to my
father because he's an amazing mechanic, but

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the church told him he couldn't accept
that gift. He had to become a

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machinist with their company, and so
anyway, he turned it down. He

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did go to the machine shop and
work there and learn all about that.

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He became an amazing machine and mechanic. My uncle, one of father's brothers

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that was outside of the church,
actually was given the gift and accepted the

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gift of the gas station. And
a lot of my father's brothers and sisters

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had already decided to become apostates,
so they chose one of them because the

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church wouldn't let the people that were
loyal to the church. Did the apostates

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that had left. I'm guessing they
maybe tried to talk some sense or talk

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to your dad about they did.
I'm sure. Yeah. We used to

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be able to go over to the
station when he was just working there before

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all this hit, and we were
able to meet our grandparents and stuff.

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Working at the station with my father
would clean the bathrooms, we'd clean everything

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up. It's called Union Service.
It's still there. It's kind of an

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old station. But yeah, anyway, my uncle runs it, and my

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father he did, he did a
lot. He made a lot of choices

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in his life to stay with his
family at the spence of material things,

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which was you know, our house
in Sandy, Utah. Eventually, so

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I did go to the Alta Academy
school that was in Sandy, Utah.

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That was the school I went to
with Warren Jeffs as the principal. My

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first grade teacher was Warren Jets's first
wife. So my childhood was very FLDS.

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Yeah, and then when I was
like fourteen, then the Jeffs moved

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down to Clarado City. I was
in seventh and eighth grade. When I

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was in tenth grade, halfway through
the year, then we moved down to

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Clarado City ourselves. So I was
sixteen years old when that happened, and

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I went to the Jeff's Academy when
I came down to Clarado City for about

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a year and a half. So
real quick, let me interject. So

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you started this in Sandy Utah,
those of you who don't know Utah,

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Sandy Utah is not a polygamous area. It's like a regular old part of

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Utah. Did your neighbors, you
know, your community know that you all

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were fl the yes. Did you
wear the garb, the dresses and stuff.

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We couldn't associate with our neighbors very
much. We had about half an

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acre of land that we couldn't talk
to our neighbors. If my parents went

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over to my neighbor's house, it
was like or serious thing. So it's

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not like you mingled with the mainstream
people and not some people did some people

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at that time frame. And that's
I believe the reason why Warren Jeff took

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everybody down to Colorado City because it's
an older compound to keep it more isolated.

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So I got to experience going into
the storage with my mother and just

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like seeing people come up to us
and smile at us or tell us our

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hair was pretty, or you know, I got to see some of that

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stuff, and so that actually did
shift my perspective to what I was hearing

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in church. Everybody was bad,
everybody wants to go after you on the

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outside, and that just didn't ring
true for me because I had had my

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own personal experiences. So when I
got in crisis in my life, I

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would think back on those experiences and
think, well, maybe there's some hope

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on the outside. Yeah, yeah, there's actually nice people. It's not

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all the devils trying to get you. But some of the children nowadays don't

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have that, so right, Yeah, it seems like another cult tactic too,

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right, tell you the members of
the cult that everyone on the outside

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is evil and they're out to get
you. It's just another way to keep

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you in trapped in the belief system. Fear. Fear is how a cult

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keeps people in. Would that would
you say that, Brial, Yes,

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Yes, it's definitely fair based in
the fls, everything is like, you

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know, we'll take away your family, it will take away your you're everything,

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right, you know, And my
father held on to his family so

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tightly for so long. He did
go down to Cuara City and sell his

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house in Sandy and he did move
into us the house with just stud walls

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and donate all the money to the
church and to the community in Clara City,

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and he did build up the house
that we were like, we had

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a part of a house, so
we moved in. Somebody else lived in

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half the house and they had started
the house that we were finishing off on

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the other side, so it wasn't
ever our house. And you lived in

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Texas before you married Warren Jeffs Is
that right after? Oh? After?

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Yeah, so I moved to Colorado
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Yeah, so you actually lived in
Texas because you were kicked out and

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had to go to Texas because you
were misbehaving. Right, No, I

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went to Texas because that's where the
Yearning for Zion Ranch was. The elite

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group. Oh you were the elite. Yeah, I was elite. Yeah,

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because I married Warren and he was
like, okay, you know,

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like it was two weeks after my
wedding because I had already started to see

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red flags on the day that I
married him. Wow. So, Shelley,

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this sounds like a good time for
a break. I agree. We'll

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be right back and we're back.
Hello. So when your wife number sixty

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five, how often do you even
really get to see your husband? For

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one thing, I wasn't attracted to
him, so like I didn't really want

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to see him. And there was
a lot of doctrine that talks about how

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you supposed to love your sisters.
Wives supposed to like sacrifice for them,

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and so Warren's father had a rotation
cycle where like every wife would get a

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turn, but Warren didn't actually have
that. He had a favorite wife,

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and he would he's basically a monogamous. All the other ladies, he'd tell

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them God would reveal if you're ever
worthy to be with me? Oh got

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qualified? Yeah, So for me, I was most of the time in

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the beginning, I was like,
oh, I don't want to turn,

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so I would just like sacrifice for
my wife, you know, situ wife

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if they want to be with him
and all that, like you know,

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I'm like, okay, you know, I'll hide. Do you guys can

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go have that? You know I
don't need that. You're good there,

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Yeah at it, you can have
him. So I didn't get hurt real

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bad by polygamy itself because I didn't
love my husband. If I would have

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loved him. I know I would
have been different. Why do you think

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you were selected? I really feel
like I had something to do with being

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a new wife or something. I
don't know. He had really weird motives

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behind everything, and I think he
also looked for certain characteristics of how he

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can manipulate people more. Were you
younger than most of the wives when you

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came in? I was eighteen.
He thought I was younger than that though,

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What a disappointment. Yeah, she
was legal. He thought my younger

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sister was older than me, and
just I don't know, like in the

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real world, it switched a guy. I'll be like, oh, I

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thought she was an adult. Don't
you don't take me to jail? But

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now you know war just as like
I thought she was thirteen. I never

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would have married an old totally.
Oh so crazy. Yeah, in my

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story I did. I've learned some
stuff since the documentary too, with like

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people coming forward and telling me right
at the wedding, he actually told the

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family to keep me at arm's length
and stuff like that. I didn't realize

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that it wasn't a big wedding,
it was like a private one. But

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right after that he talked to his
family and I didn't know that. Wait,

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he wanted your family to keep you
at arm's length. That's what he

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was requesting his family, his family. Why do you think that is?

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He told him I was crazy from
the very beginning. I didn't know that

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until after the documentary came out.
Like people want to tell me things.

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They said, we couldn't step up
and help you, even we knew you

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needed it, but we couldn't help
you because he would publish us. Oh

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my gosh. Wow, everyone was
so afraid of this guy. I know,

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Well, I feel like, I
mean, i'd be afraid of someone

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who would take my kids away.
Like I think about my choices are either

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I do what God says in quotations
or my kids get taken away. Well,

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I'm going to do what I think
God said. I mean, that's

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kind of a no brainer, right, if you've been brainwashed into a cult.

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Going on those same lines, when
you were honored to Mary Warren,

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Jeff, did you have any ounce
of feeling special at all? I felt

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terrified because I'd already seen what my
sister had gone through, So you didn't

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feel like you were chosen. I
knew a lot about his family. I

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knew more so you were never proud
of that selection process, like, oh

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he picked me, no, because
I wasn't in the category that I would

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be very accepted. He has characteristics
he picks out, you know, to

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be manipulated easier. And one of
those characteristics is basically something I had no

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control over, which was my generational
heritage. If you have seven generations of

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being in the church, you're probably
more brainwashed. But he didn't say that.

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He said, do you have more
knowledge of the church, And those

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would be more more of the people
that he would at the top of the

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00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.599
pyramid in his family. Yeah,
yea, the brainwashed ones. And I

410
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.960
wasn't going to be there. I
would never have kids. That's how my

411
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.599
thinking was, I'll never have kids, you know. But I didn't never

412
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.759
say no to him. Sure,
so from the time you knew year we

413
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.640
had to marry him, how long
was it until the actual wedding, Like,

414
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.720
how does that go down? It
was like the same day. Whoa,

415
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:17.279
Yeah, I knew that. He
taught us the doctrine the grooming of

416
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:22.559
how that day would go, and
there's like three different routes and so that

417
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.000
day I actually had a party at
school. I was an assistant in for

418
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.839
fourth grade students. We had a
big party that day. I cleaned up

419
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:36.319
the mess and then I came home. I was on cook that evening for

420
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.480
the family, and I was supposed
to make stew. That's what my mother

421
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.279
wanted me to make. So I
was in cutting up all the vegetables.

422
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.279
And it was late. It was
like ten o'clock at night. Like I

423
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.880
hadn't gone up very far because I
spend all day already, and I didn't

424
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.400
realize I was on cook. I
was in finishing up the stew and my

425
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.599
father walked in the room and my
back was to him, but I heard

426
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.720
my mother scream no, and I
turned around and my father's face is all

427
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.400
flushed and my mother, I was
hurry, eleventh child, so she had

428
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:10.240
seen this before. Yeah, So
my father, he said, let's go

429
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.599
on a drive. My mother was
not invited to the wedding. And when

430
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.680
I got in the car, my
father was crying. He couldn't tell me

431
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.200
why. Now he has told me. He said, I didn't want you

432
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.799
to marry Warren Jeffs. But he
didn't know at that time I was even

433
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.599
get to marry Warren Jess. But
everybody had that in their mind. Like

434
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:30.559
because all my childhood, I guess
I was teased a lot about Mary Warren

435
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.920
Jeffs, and I think a lot
of it had to do with there's two

436
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:38.359
factors. The way he acted toward
me factored into it a lot. And

437
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.839
also I believe I was kind of
like a I was scared to do wrong

438
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.240
because of like the bullies of my
family. So I didn't dare cross lines.

439
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.200
I was afraid of being kicked out
at a young age because eight years

440
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.000
old is basically when you get baptized
in the LDS church and also in the

441
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.799
FLDS, and so in the FLDS
they were so strict that when you're eight

442
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:06.160
years old, either you atone for
yourself or your parents will atone for you.

443
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.720
And so basically you have to get
baptized or your parents will suffer for

444
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.279
you. Wow. And what's that
suffering involved? It depends if you do

445
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.920
something bad, Okay. Yeah,
So I didn't want to do anything wrong

446
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.880
because I was eight, you know, like I was afraid of being sent

447
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.279
away. And there were eight year
olds who the FLDS dropped off at places

448
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:29.400
because they were too rebellious. Yeah, and never would be healed from it.

449
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.359
According to their profit. Wow.
Wow, I'm a nine year old

450
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.319
and I can't send her away.
I can't imagine sending I mean sometimes it'd

451
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:42.119
be nice, but like to send
away forever. It's hard for me to

452
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:47.599
understand how a parent would allow that. But that just goes to show how

453
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.400
deep the brainwashing is that a parent
would allow that, and also that you

454
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.880
have to realize these parents were put
under like this decision where they either lose

455
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.720
all of their kids because they get
kicked out with the eight year old,

456
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:04.960
or they kick out the eight year
old. Wow, I don't know.

457
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.039
I think as a parent, I
would choose all everybody goes. I couldn't.

458
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.799
I couldn't do that. And that's
what some parents did choose, and

459
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.680
they would go the court route to
try to get the rest of their kids,

460
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.000
which is the best route actually,
but they don't always see that.

461
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.400
And that's the same thing with like
the underage brights. That's why some of

462
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.920
them got married because the fathers were
in that same predicament. They either had

463
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.880
to give up the one child or
lose all of them, and some of

464
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.319
them chose the wrong thing. Where
would a kid go if they're kicked out?

465
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.480
Like if you talk to Holding Out
Help, which is a nonprofit in

466
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.599
Salt Lake City. They they were
they've been around, one of the longest

467
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:44.160
nonprofits in this field. They have
had eight year olds brought to them.

468
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.640
Wow. And there's been worst cases. They have dropped them off on the

469
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:51.960
highway, you know, just worst
things. But oh my gosh that in

470
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.799
most cases they you know, the
police will pick them up. But like

471
00:32:55.000 --> 00:33:00.000
most cases, the parents tried a
little harder to find something, Yeah,

472
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.359
like a relative they could go to
or some yeah, something on the outside

473
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:12.640
that did you know of parents who
when when their daughter qualified to Mary Mary

474
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.720
Warren Jeffs, the parents celebrated,
like they were so happy about this or

475
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.160
was it all just miserable? When
I talked to even like, I had

476
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.920
a best friend who was in the
category with the seven generations and all of

477
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:28.240
that, and one time I confided
in her and I was like, I

478
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.319
am so scared to Mary Warren jeff
everybody teaches me about that, and she's

479
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.920
like, that would be such an
honor, and I was like, maybe

480
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.119
for you, but she hadn't tell
her that, And I was thinking,

481
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:43.400
yeah, her family, her mothers
would talk about when their daughters because they

482
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.920
had several of them that went into
Warren Jeff's family and their mothers would say,

483
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:52.559
it's like going to a funeral because
it's like he takes them and we

484
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:58.599
never see him anymore. Wow.
Man, But yet these mothers do they

485
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.119
still believe in it and they're just
afraid to leave or they just so trying

486
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:07.279
to compare for me being a girl
in Mormonism, like you get the shaft,

487
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:08.719
right, It's like you don't get
anything because you're a girl, but

488
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.239
you just believe that that's what God
wants and you just kind of have to

489
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.800
suck it up and feel like you're
less than and that's just how it is.

490
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.880
Yeah, how do you compare that
with how moms would feel with these

491
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.320
things they have to go along with
they think it was true. Well,

492
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.199
it depends varies from one person to
the other. And that's why I have

493
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.119
so much compassion even today for FLDS
people. It's because a lot of them

494
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.920
aren't there because they believe in it. They're there because they can't talk about

495
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.960
it. You can't tell all the
time which ones really believe in it and

496
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.239
which ones don't because they can't actually
tell you the truth. The ones that

497
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:44.199
don't believe in it, have a
cause most of the time to protect their

498
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.880
kids or protect their mother, elderly
mother. They don't all have a place.

499
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:52.199
The Dream Center doesn't take elderly they
don't have licensing for that. They're

500
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:58.400
mostly geared to children and single moms
and stuff. So we need more resources

501
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:01.679
what I'm saying, Yeah, absolutely, but a lot of them stay for

502
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.079
a cause. They're all believers.
And not only that, the ones that

503
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.239
do believe in it, they have
to go by faith. Like I have

504
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:15.159
knowledge that it was horrible. Not
everybody has that knowledge because not everybody was

505
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.039
elite, didn't all go to Texas, they didn't all have the same experiences

506
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.639
in Texas. You know, I
was a warrant, just family, So

507
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.480
I have knowledge. It would be
ridiculous for me to keep trying to fake

508
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.960
it, you know, that would
be totally something like I couldn't even do.

509
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:36.079
Did people kind of know within the
compound who may or may not be

510
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.199
believing or just going along with it? Was? Could you tell? Like

511
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.639
you can tell that some of them
are like more lenient or more more willing

512
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.599
to cross a line here and there, but you can't tell if they really

513
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:52.480
believe or not because there's some people
who really will turn you in and really

514
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:57.400
will hurt you even though they crossed
their own line sometimes, like it's kind

515
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.920
of you know, you can't always
tell. You can tell they have different

516
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:06.039
characteristics and stuff, but you can't
tell if they really believe gotcha. And

517
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.119
a lot of times they'll turn new
in just for their own safety. And

518
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:13.199
sometimes they'll turn new in because they
don't like you. Wow, So just

519
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.719
you know, I don't I don't
like what she said in school and she's

520
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:20.559
not being friendly, so I'm gonna
go tattle on her for like no damn

521
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.519
good reason, just get you in
trouble. Yeah, So there's those,

522
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.280
and then there's also sometimes they get
threatened into doing it by somebody else.

523
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.400
So it's it's a pretty big mess, especially with Warren Jeffs being in prison,

524
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.000
yeah, because he can't verify any
of it without like listening to someone.

525
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:44.199
So people still tattle to where Warren
Jeff's through a line of isn't his

526
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.039
brother kind of running the show right
now? He has a son who's stepping

527
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:52.039
up, son out to be the
proa after Warren. After Warren dies,

528
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.079
he's just like, yeah, kind
of nominated right now. Boys, growing

529
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.800
into men. You see them trying
to climb the ladder like I want to

530
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.840
be the next prophet or yeah,
I don't know, what do you think.

531
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.320
Yeah, there's been two people step
up. So now if they follow

532
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:10.079
FLDS, it doesn't necessarily mean they
follow Warren Jeffs. But if they follow

533
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:15.639
Warren Jeff's it's detrimental because he pedophilia
in the doctrine. When you say it's

534
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:21.079
in the doctrine, like, is
it written down somewhere that pedophilia is?

535
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.239
Okay, he did it in a
secret meeting. So even though a lot

536
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:29.320
of FLDS will say it's not true, but the history shows that it is

537
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.880
true, because like there's been two
leaders that have stepped up to follow Warren

538
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.199
Jeff's who were in Texas at one
time, and the first one has already

539
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:44.239
been rated just in the last year
or so. Okay, that's that's on

540
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.599
the documentary they found. Well they
talk about it in there, but like

541
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.199
this last year they actually rated him
and he did have underage rights and all

542
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:53.960
that going on. So send him
a jail, send him all a jail.

543
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.000
So I tell people, I said, yeah, FLDS are kind of

544
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.840
like, we don't believe that or
and Jeff's really did that, because I

545
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:06.559
have to believe somebody because they weren't
always all there. Of course, we

546
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.079
don't believe he really did that,
but I tell him, well, you

547
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:12.960
would do it again, probably with
the right leader. Yeah, yeah,

548
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.039
right, that's when the history shows
that. Yeaheah. They don't believe it's

549
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:20.599
happening, but when they get into
the tight situation, they wake up.

550
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.199
But it's kind of too late.
So we are going to leave that.

551
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:30.239
They're part one of a two parter. We're gonna have Brielle again on next

552
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.119
time for the rest of the interview. It's so good, guys. No,

553
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.119
I hope everybody listens in again.
From part two of that interview.

554
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:44.039
Brial Decker, Prisoner of the Profit
Wife sixty something, sixty five sixty five.

555
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.000
Okay, So we're gonna take a
quick break and when we come back,

556
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.639
we've got a foom pot. Yeah, when we come back, we

557
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:55.119
will cute music. O wow,
we get I just want to get people

558
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.679
inside because they haven't done a boom
pot in a while. We stumbled across

559
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:05.199
one and Shelly's gonna speak you in
music Oliver again a bit duh. Okay,

560
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:16.920
be right back. We're back cute
music. So this foom pod came

561
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.599
about. This was like a like
a natural organic foom pod. We were

562
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:23.079
just talking. I don't even know
what we're talking about, and I said,

563
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.519
this thing, you're like what I
think it was in this episode.

564
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.519
I mean, it's been a minute
since i've listened. It probably was.

565
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.559
Yeah, we're recording this in pieces, y'all. That's our lives. Like

566
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.119
we literally don't have two hours to
sit and do shit any and hopefully this

567
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:42.400
all comes together. It might not. It might be like a beautiful patchwork

568
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.360
quilt. And that's okay because if
you're a Mormon or X Mormon, you've

569
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.480
you've quilted before. Total stereotype.
But I mean, come on, you're

570
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.559
right. Have you quilted? Um? Not for beginning to end. But

571
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:58.960
my mom had like the big like
quilt wooden bar thingies that like take up

572
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.599
all this room. Um, and
I might have done one stitch because she

573
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.559
showed me. And I'm like,
boring, I want to go play basketball.

574
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.360
Yeah, boring, mom, hang
out with the men. I'm gonna

575
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.000
ride my dirt bike. I had
the best little dirt bike, so fun

576
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:16.199
little motorcycle, you know, you
might be a lesbian. You know,

577
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:21.519
some people could have fucking fooled me. Should we get to the food pot

578
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:29.840
already? Nine? Today's fucked up
Mormon phrase of the day is son of

579
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.639
perdition. That would be son of
perdition, go, son of perdition.

580
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.039
You know, I have no idea
what this word. I know this like

581
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.800
this. This was a movie.
I don't know if it though. Okay,

582
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.639
it didn't pretend to more. Movie
was Road to Perdition with Tom Hanks

583
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.559
was righting awesome? Okay, I
never saw it. My point is that

584
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.960
perdition is probably a word I should
just know well, and I don't know

585
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:58.039
it. I don't know what it
means. What does it mean? You

586
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.400
have to guess you can get the
ball? You mean it was? Do

587
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.960
you mean to say partition? Nope? Son of partition? Nope. That's

588
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.000
even more weird um than the actual
definition. I don't know what this means.

589
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.760
You know what means? No,
I don't know what perdition means?

590
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.920
What will you not raise Mormon?
No, that's a better eat. Maybe

591
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.719
it's some sort of prodigal son thing
like no, you're some sort of wayward

592
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.199
child. No, okay, let's
put it in the opposite direction. You're

593
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.679
so stalwart. Nope, you're you're, You're somewhere in the middle. Nope,

594
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:32.760
you're you could go. No,
just give me the fucking buzzer already.

595
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.480
What does it mean? Who the
fuck is a son of pition?

596
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.239
I realize now, me being raised
Mormon, I thought that everything was Mormon,

597
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:44.679
of course, but I looked when
I looked it up to get like

598
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:49.679
an actual exact definition, it's it's
Biblical, like Christians know this shit.

599
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.480
So I don't know why you don't
know it, a little miss Mary,

600
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.280
I don't have the Bible memorize for
gods. Okay, well, the son

601
00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.239
of perdition is a term that refers
to a person who is in an your

602
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.840
redeemable condition and who will suffer eternal
destruction. So that could be kind of

603
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.519
like a prodigal son, right,
because the prodigal son came back the sons

604
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.880
of pridition? Can't are you looking
it up? I just end it up.

605
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:17.400
I know. It says a state
of eternal punishment and damnation. Yeah,

606
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:22.719
into which a sinful and unpenitent person
passes after death. So this is

607
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:27.199
a this is a after we die
punishment. Yeah, of course, but

608
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.519
I'm not done yet. So that
was the first definition that popped up,

609
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.840
and I'm like, hmm, let
me type that in and put Mormon next

610
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.760
to it. So, of course, Mormons no more than everyone's, so

611
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.960
their definition. So the little Wikipedia
definition for the first one was like four

612
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.519
sentences. When you type in the
Mormon part, we're like page after page

613
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.639
after page, because Mormons have a
lot to say about all the things they

614
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:55.239
know. Okay, okay. In
the Church of Jesus christilarity saints, a

615
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:00.679
son of tradition is a person who
will not take part in the glory of

616
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:05.320
God in the afterlife. This is
in contrast to the vast majority of people

617
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.719
who will receive a kingdom of glory
after the final judgment and enter into one

618
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.519
of the three degrees of glory after
the resurrection. Mary, do you remember

619
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.199
these three degree Oh you mean the
celestial, terrestrial, and and uh to

620
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.400
telestial. You got it. You're
almost a Mormon. Okay. Most Latter

621
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.639
day Saints believe that the sons of
pradition will be cast into outer darkness.

622
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.079
Wait you know what that another?
Yeah? Of course, what yeah do

623
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.920
you think? Are we new here? We've talked about it yeah, you're

624
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:39.360
saying, I've been very busy lately, kidding me right now? You think

625
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.239
I don't know what outer darkness is? Have you been there? You can't,

626
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:45.400
and you know why. You're a
girl. Let me carry on.

627
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:51.360
Girls can't go to Mormon scriptures.
Can I read what this is? New

628
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:55.519
information? Mormon scriptures do not use
this exact phrase and connection with the sons

629
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:59.960
of pradition, but state that they
shall go away into the Lake of Fire

630
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.360
and brimstone with the devil and his
angels. So that's who is in outer

631
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.199
darkness. I thought outer darkness wasn't
so bad. People have different definitions of

632
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:15.400
what outer darkness literally, outer darkness
could have been focuse you are. Some

633
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.719
people are like, it's not so
bad, it's just not the best thing.

634
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:24.199
No, that would be the celestial
kingdom. Huh okay, so the

635
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:29.679
devil has confuse outer darkness, not
just the devil, the devil and his

636
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:34.400
angels. What it's the exact same
thing as hell? Then sure. However,

637
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.679
according to Mormonism, like hell is
anything where you don't get to be

638
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:43.440
with your heavenly Father, which would
be like the lowest two kingdoms, not

639
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.920
confusing, So God never visits the
lower two kingdom can but why would he

640
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:51.639
like we suck? I don't want
my family visiting me either. To wait

641
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.599
a minute, what how do you
get to be a son of predictions?

642
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.440
I'm telling you, I'm reading this
is the longest definition of it. Well,

643
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:04.280
because Mormons have to like decide whatever
thing is and more of it.

644
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:07.280
Um, I'm just gonna keep reading. Sorry if it's boring, but I

645
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.679
think it's pretty damn interesting because it's
weird. The name Perdition is sometimes regarded

646
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:16.360
as a proper name that refers to
either Lucifer or Kane, both of whom

647
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:22.519
are symbols of ultimate e Ooh,
so the son of Perdition is really the

648
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.280
son of the devil, one of
them? What do you mean, one

649
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:29.639
of them? Maybe he's the original
the og. Mister, that's mister Perdition

650
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:36.920
to you. Okay. So I
guess if according to Mormon theology, Jesus

651
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.400
and Lucifer were brothers, which would
make them both the son of God somehow.

652
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.199
So if you're a son of Perdition, then you're the grandchild of God.

653
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.000
God, your God, your no. That means that yeah, God,

654
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.159
you're the no, you're the og, Like perdition. Person. I

655
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:59.480
thought perdition is another word for Satan. Yeah, my theology didn't play very

656
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.559
well. So all right, though
I have a question though, okay,

657
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.239
but I have more, but go
ahead, all right, Well, I

658
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.360
just keep reading. Okay, okay, say, we're getting into some major

659
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.679
Mormon theology here, and it's hilarious. How long is the sky? Just

660
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:15.840
you're gonna learn who knows? Who
might come across another food pot? The

661
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:22.519
pre mortal spirit followers of Satan,
Yeah, okay. It is taught that

662
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:28.559
in the pre mortal life they chose
to follow a plan proposed by Satan rather

663
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:34.199
than that presented by God the Father. In parenthesis, Heavenly Father, Jesus

664
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:38.239
the Christ chose to follow Heavenly Father's
plan. Jesus the Christ, Jesus the

665
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:44.880
Christ kids. Clean up your rustle
because that's all you ever hear me,

666
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.679
or it just always needs cleaning.
M blah blah blah, goes onto the

667
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.079
war in heaven, YadA, YadA. We all know this, Okay.

668
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:58.840
Those in mortal life who deny the
Holy Ghost, which is generally interpreted as

669
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:06.159
rejecting and denying Christ after receiving a
personal witness and a perfect knowledge of Jesus.

670
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.119
Like, then you can fucking be
a son of perdition. Oh,

671
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:13.840
so you have to be given the
opportunity to reject, which is why women

672
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.039
can't do that. What are you? What are you talking about? I'm

673
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.679
getting there. So this is what
Joseph Smith said. All sins shall be

674
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.480
forgiven, except for sins against the
Holy Ghost, for Jesus will save all

675
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:30.519
except the sons of perdition. What
must a man due to commit the unpartable

676
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.920
sin? He must receive the Holy
Ghost, have the heavens open unto him,

677
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.880
and no God, and then sin
against him. After a man has

678
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.679
sinned against the Holy Ghost, there
is no repentance for him. Well,

679
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.360
isn't this the definition of man?
Kind of like human finish? Were about?

680
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:50.800
We're about We're about to get to
the point. He has got to

681
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.199
say that the sun does not shine
while he sees it. He has got

682
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.039
to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens
have been opened unto him, and to

683
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:02.079
deny the plan of salvation with his
eyes open to the truth of it.

684
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.280
When did the heavens ever open?
And you see Jesus, when does this

685
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.760
happen? Well, it happened to
me yeah, could have happened to you.

686
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.280
And you're like, that never happened. Then you are a son of

687
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.719
perdition. How do you approve it? Either way? God knows everything.

688
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:22.280
But wait a minute, Mary,
trying to make sense of nonsense again.

689
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:27.559
And women can't be included in this
group. Well, there's a section here

690
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:32.079
called daughters of perdition. I'm glad
you asked. Okay, a few LDS

691
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:37.719
church leaders have speculated weather and not
there would be daughters of perdition as well

692
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.559
as sons of perdition. All I
know is if they were both, they

693
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:45.159
would both be like TK smoothies because
they'd be an outer darkness together. Well

694
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.719
yeah, and they wouldn't be able
to have sex. Whatever, This is

695
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.119
not the point of the conversation.
In eighteen sixty, church president who We

696
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:58.280
All Love, Brigham Young, stated, I doubt whether it can be found

697
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.360
from the revelations that are given and
the facts as they exist, because he

698
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:07.719
knows everything. News that there is
a female in all the regions of hell.

699
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.760
Women must atoned for sins committed by
the volition of her own choice.

700
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.639
But she will never become an angel
to the devil and sends so far to

701
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:21.079
place herself beyond the reach of mercy. In the same discourse, he says

702
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.719
she is not accountable for the sins
that are in the world. God requires

703
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.360
obedience from man. He is lord
of creation, and in his hands the

704
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:36.559
sins of the world will be required. So Brigham Young is saying that women

705
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:42.000
cannot be sons or daughters or whatever
predition, right, because it's a man

706
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.639
thing. It's a man thing.
Let's put that in context. Context.

707
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.840
Because it's a man thing, what
has to happen for you to even have

708
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.079
that available to you? To be
a son of perdition, you have to

709
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.280
see God. So women can't see
God. Boom, We can't have the

710
00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:00.039
good shit. You can't have that
experience of that spiritual exp It's that closeness

711
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:05.760
where that revelation, the clouds parting
or whatever the fuck the heaven's opening up

712
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.519
and you're seeing Jesus the Christ.
Yeah, I don't have a chance to

713
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:13.719
see Jesus and be like that never
happened. I don't get to right,

714
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:19.440
don't get the opportunity to deny Jesus
the Christ. Clean up your room.

715
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.960
Yeah, sure, because we were
not intelligent or something enough. Now we're

716
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:29.159
we're less than yeah, so the
church too simple for those types of revelations.

717
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.760
Who is the priesthood? Why would
God come to us? They might

718
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:37.000
come to our husband because he's in
charge of us. Mm So speculation amongst

719
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.960
Mormons, and I don't know if
this is ever actually taught. You know

720
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.000
how Mormons have to like talk talk
talk and make up their own like shit,

721
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.559
if you say so, it's true, it's true. So speculation was

722
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:52.880
probably still is that the only people
who could qualify for being a Son of

723
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.400
British would be like prophets, because
prophets see God. I see, so

724
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.280
you really have to have that experience
and reject it, and that's the only

725
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.079
way to go to Are those the
only people in outer darkness? So the

726
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.480
people that have had the experience and
then reject it. Yes, so it's

727
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.199
only men in outer darkness. Yeah, that's what I've been trying to say.

728
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.159
Yeah, well I didn't know if
there was another way to get to

729
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:20.039
utter darkness. No, it's not
like Candyland where you roll a purple and

730
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:29.039
then I was really stupid, liked
it though it was late at night.

731
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:37.360
I'm sire punchy. Interesting. I
didn't know that women did not make up

732
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.800
the population, shall we say of
outer darkness? No, because we're a

733
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:46.920
residents there, we can never be
holy enough to have the exact oppose.

734
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.519
So it's kind of the Mormon version
of a penal colony. Basically, he

735
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.920
said penals, which is actually pretty
accurate. Well, penile, because it's

736
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.840
only men there. I know what
penal means. I get it. Okay,

737
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.400
all right, all right, who
what's happening? Okay, son of

738
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.880
pridition. So there is no daughter
perdition, which makes me kind of feel

739
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:09.760
good in a way because means we
don't have to hang out with it.

740
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:15.239
I don't have to pretend to ever
see some sort of fake experience and then

741
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:23.719
reject that fake experience later. Well, and no, you have it all

742
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:29.159
wrong because it was If it was
a fake experience, you can't reject it

743
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.440
because it was fake in the first
place. It had Like according to theology,

744
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:37.000
you have to have an actual,
true legit like Jesus Christ high five,

745
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:38.960
he's there, He's like, I
am the Christ. Look at the

746
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.440
holes in my hands, and then
you're like, man, fuck that remember

747
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:45.239
the true the sure sign of the
nails and the wrist, that's true?

748
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:50.639
And why do you remember why I
don't know. I'm just serious. You

749
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.880
don't know why handshake that the sure
sign is in the wrist? Yeah?

750
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:59.960
Why why? I don't ris from
the freaking Temple episodes? Why is the

751
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.440
nail on the wrist just writing down? I'm running down next foon pond?

752
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:07.039
Oh my neck? Good? Well, I think it's all goofy anyway.

753
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:13.599
Because these types of things are very
personal, you can't share them with someone.

754
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:20.840
Meaning, let's say you're having a
prayer circle jerk with your bush mixing

755
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.159
lots of metaphors here, didn't hear
that? It's like, if you have

756
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:28.039
this personal experience where the clouds part
and you see Jesus the Christ, let's

757
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.639
say your buddy who's praying with you
or whatever isn't going to have the same

758
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:35.320
experience. So how do you even
prove sauce it doesn't have to be your

759
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.519
buddy saying, hey, he saw
Jesus and he says he didn't. Right,

760
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.360
No, that's well, then how
do you prove that you even had

761
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:44.880
a bunch of people telling on each
other. You don't prove it, you

762
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:47.079
don't like like, well, then
they can't prove that you're going to some

763
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.599
fake hell place either. It's all
fake. Anyway, it happens after you

764
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.679
die and God decides, decides.
Oh, God's the one. So God

765
00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.239
said, well, all right,
you back in nineteen eighty had the opportunity

766
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.800
we had that, We had that
moment, I had that broad moment.

767
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.960
You saw me, You saw the
sure sign of the nails. You.

768
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:13.079
God's not the neighborhoods some fucking neighborhood
watch being like the neighbor you saw.

769
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:22.039
Yeah, it's like we had that
moment and you said you rejected me Spanish

770
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:24.320
to Outer Darkness. That's kind of
how that's gonna go down totally. I'm

771
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:31.199
still my brainst on neighborhood watch for
sons of tradition. God, Well,

772
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:40.840
they're gonna need a neighborhood watching Outer
Darkness. I think dark Street task one.

773
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:45.119
All those men, there should be
someone handy. Pradition doesn't take to

774
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:54.119
change. Nice. That's funny.
Well we are. Yeah, that's a

775
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:59.400
good one though. That's great,
Thanks for playing sure. I always enjoy

776
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.840
good film. All right, Well, let's jump into some patron names.

777
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:08.519
I just had an idea how we
should give them their new names. All

778
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.480
right, what you got I'm thinking
first letter of last name. Right,

779
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.119
we need to come up with things
that you would find in outer darkness.

780
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:22.760
Okay, that sounds like what was
the game like the Pyramid or whatever,

781
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:28.440
sixty thousand Pyramid where they would just
list things car, boat, blah blah

782
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.360
blah, and then then they answer
would be like things you drive. You

783
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:37.440
know, I'm talking about things without
headlights right because it's outer darkness. I

784
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.559
don't think there are any lights.
No, I mean it would be outer

785
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:44.559
lightness at that point. That's all
I got. Okay, I'm ready,

786
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.960
we'll try it, okay, Patron
number one, and again everyone, thank

787
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.880
you for being our patrons. Those
of you who are recently joining from listening

788
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.920
to episodes from like three years ago, just understand that we've slowed down.

789
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.639
Once you get here, we've slowed
the fuck down. Might hear my name

790
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.679
in like three years? Yeah,
we're getting to him, but you will

791
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.280
get your new name, all right. New Patron number one, Laurel H.

792
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.599
What's an H that you would find
an outer darkness? Find something with

793
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:20.039
an H an outer darkness? Well, a hellish amount of trash, heaps

794
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:24.440
heaps of trash, all right,
Laurel, heap heaps heaps of trash.

795
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.599
The full thing Laurel, heaps of
tra I just feel like there's gonna be

796
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.800
trash everywhere. You can't see anything, but you know there's tras. It

797
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:36.880
probably smells. It probably smells there. Yeah, I would think it's outer

798
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.679
dark and probably it smells like sulfur
because of fire and brimstone. When you

799
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:44.719
think, God, that's so smart, is it? Yes? Ok?

800
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:51.280
Who's our next patron? Next patron, Jessica? M are you taking this?

801
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:57.880
I got this one in outer darkness. Outer darkness will be full of

802
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.960
Mormon men. Okay. I can't
think of a worse hell. And it's

803
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.320
not because I'm a man hater.
I am not a man hater. I

804
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.360
love my man friends, I love
my son's I love a lot of men,

805
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:14.360
Mormon men. It's a little more
difficult. So yeah, Outer darkness

806
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.119
a bunch of fucking Mormon men.
That's what you'll find. Don't go there.

807
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.800
If you ever see Jesus, don't
say you didn't see him. That's

808
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:24.000
your warning, right, Just pretend
it's all pretend anyway. If you see

809
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:28.840
him, don't say you didn't,
right, he won't be an outer dark

810
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:34.159
roast. Sorry, just I just
threw in a plug for a posta coffee.

811
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:37.719
Do you like how I did that? Did you go on purpose?

812
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:43.519
Yeah? I didn't. Right on? Get ten percent off your order and

813
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a posta coffee dot com by putting
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814
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:50.960
all that? And do you get
a check out and put in our code

815
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.079
LDL. I get ten percent off
because I think that's what happened. Well,

816
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:57.960
do it and see it's been a
bit and drink the Outer Dark Roast.

817
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:00.039
Maybe that will prevent you for going
to out. I don't know.

818
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.079
I think it probably takes you there. But no, no, take it

819
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:07.639
to go cup because you're gonna need
that for your journey to utter. Yeah,

820
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.079
there won't be that. Can we
back up a secure? But I

821
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:15.000
don't think that Mary actually still understands
outer darkness. Evidently it's full of men.

822
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:19.599
Well, yeah, but you said
something about, like you see Jesus,

823
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.320
you're rejecting me, he says,
outer darkness. No, he doesn't

824
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:27.320
banish you right away. It's like
you think you're living this great life and

825
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:31.480
then you die and God's like,
not so fast. Charlie. Remember that

826
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:38.360
time you remember that the Lord and
save Jesus Christ, Jesus the Christ,

827
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:43.239
me and my son who's actually also
boom. You think you're going to blaze

828
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:47.079
special, but you're going to outer
darkness. Hell yeah, that's exactly Take

829
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:52.920
that cup of outer dark roast with
you, gonna need it, apostate coffee,

830
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:59.679
nap dot com yours now, I
love it all right? Next up,

831
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:05.800
Rose b B Huh yeah you know
none of these names are going to

832
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.800
be great this week. Sorry.
Yeah, we still appreciate our patrons absolutely,

833
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:15.239
but I think, uh, banished
saints, that's what you find in

834
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:22.320
utter darkness. That is so boring. Wow, Mary, Rose, I

835
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.719
am so sorry. Well what do
you got. I'm just gonna say,

836
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:30.239
like bad people. Oh, that's
so much banished saints. It's a little

837
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:35.039
just more intellectual way of saying bad
people. How about bats? The bats

838
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:37.719
fly around at night? Sure?
All right, so um Rose, you're

839
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:40.639
getting lots of last names. Rose, you're getting banished saints, bats,

840
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:45.599
and bad guys. Okay, that
is your name, No hyphens, we're

841
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:50.480
not hyphenating today. You gotta run
them all together. Write that down.

842
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:55.880
That'll be fun on a on a
license. Real deadlines coming up? So

843
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.639
I got minor ready, Yeah,
I mean too? Okay, is that

844
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.840
all the No, there's two more
exactly five. Okay, what you get,

845
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:13.519
Betsy S. Betsy S, I'm
going sinners? What you got fine,

846
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:19.159
Betsy, sinners and stupidity. Oh
you were going to do stupidity.

847
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:21.559
Yeah. Then I felt bad for
Betsy, So I'm sorry about that.

848
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:27.719
I just think it's stupid this discussion
about outer darkness. No, outer darkness,

849
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.639
like the theology of outer darkness is
stupid. Well, and also,

850
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.280
can't you just fake it? Like? Can't you just be like so Jesus

851
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.719
it's all cool. No, it's
not like a human experience. Again,

852
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:42.360
no neighborhood watch on this one.
It's between you and the Lord. M

853
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.559
Okay, Betsy, and that one
was bad. Yeah, we're sorry,

854
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:50.920
Betsy. Feel free to blame Shelley
for that one. I mean I tried.

855
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:57.360
Next and last is per neil e. Can I do this one?

856
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:04.119
Yeah? I feel like bola.
Oh, I think everyone has ebola in

857
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.480
outer darkness. It just seems like
a like a bad way to be I'm

858
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.079
even exactly sure what ebola is.
I know it's a disease and I know

859
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:17.039
people die from it. Yeah.
Wow, disease is rampant in outer darkness.

860
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:22.480
Speaking of bad smells, subonic plague. It's gonna be all there.

861
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:30.039
I think problaim a girl. No, right, the one time it worked

862
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.800
worked in our favor the one time. Yeah huh, but it still has

863
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:37.320
to do with the fact that we're
lesser. But I'll take it. Yeah,

864
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.679
we're not even good enough for the
worst punishment. Women I feel like

865
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:45.000
in Mormonism are just ornaments. They're
ornaments. Yeah, yeah, they're just

866
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.800
sort of there, um their vessels
for babies. That's it. Yeah,

867
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:52.559
pretty much. Well, sorry,
and thank you, patrons. I was

868
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:54.960
a weird one. I'm gonna keep
note and if any of these patrons drop

869
01:01:55.000 --> 01:02:00.400
off this episode hits the air waves, we'll be like, fuck, shouldn't

870
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:06.199
have called her smelly? See?
Oh my god, whose idea is this?

871
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:09.559
I was like, what if we
come up with stuff that is not

872
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.679
an outer dark? But that would
be everything? Okay, all right,

873
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:19.119
well you're right except for the smelly
garbage, and well, I just thought

874
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:22.639
it would be more entertaining to have
it like our version of was whatever,

875
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:24.880
can we work? Can we wrap
this up? Yeah? We can?

876
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:30.199
Uh? Sorry, everybody, Thank
you so much for your patronage. If

877
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.880
you would like to show us a
little love, please head over to latter

878
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:38.519
day Lesbian dot org slash support.
We really appreciate it for real, and

879
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:44.400
so sorry we're not cranking these out
like we used to. We're sad about

880
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.639
it too. We're gonna, you
know what, We're gonna record a Scandal

881
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:52.239
session and maybe talk about that right
now, talk about what's going on right

882
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:57.440
over this we can, Okay.
Let us also thank Dan from Extension Audio,

883
01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.280
thanks for leaving it in at you. Thank you again to Brielle Decker,

884
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:06.760
and we'll have you back again next
time and conclude that interview. Looking

885
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.239
forward to that. Hang on,
do you think it's sad for Dan that

886
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:12.920
he only gets to leave it in
once a month or so these days?

887
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:23.840
Maybe he's getting a little on the
side. Oh, maybe we've got to

888
01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:30.360
talk about that on the Scandal Weird
Night side piece. Okay, sorry,

889
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:37.079
digress, digress. All right,
everybody please dare Claire those fucking calls because

890
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.719
they're no joke, no joke at
all. Talked to you later. Bye,