WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:04.759 You'll do away five seventeen. Do you want to report a UFO it? 2 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:09.439 We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you wish to report a 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:15.560 UFO over hey, we want to one of those areas thirty one. Do 4 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:19.359 you wish to find a report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know 5 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:25.359 what kind of reports clouds time areas thirty one me neither. There were seven 6 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:30.480 one golf. If it was anybody a U above us to pass us, 7 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.759 like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, Okay, 8 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:40.159 OFFI the UFO. Yeah it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll 9 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:44.200 just passed over, I go. I don't know what it was, but 10 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:47.679 it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed 11 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:54.280 out over the top of US ninety one one. Guy, you just called 12 00:00:54.359 --> 00:01:03.640 up to me before they're after staying the airplanes here to God more Calm on 13 00:01:03.760 --> 00:01:10.200 an Unidentified object every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object. 14 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:21.319 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share their experiences of the strange 15 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:26.120 and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, I would like to be on 16 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:32.519 the show. You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 17 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:52.159 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're all doing well 18 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:56.480 and enjoying the beautiful or rally light shows. I'm Nick HNTA and it's the 19 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.480 UFO Chronicles Podcast. Tonight's guest is a name you should recognize, as he 20 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:06.079 is a regular on the History Channel's Ancient Aliens and has also been featured on 21 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:10.120 various other TV shows and documentaries on the Travel Channel. Reverend Michael J. 22 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:15.639 Carter is joining us today from the state of North Carolina. Michael is an 23 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:21.400 ordained Into Faith minister and we'll be sharing his encounters that began in December of 24 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.879 nineteen eighty nine. Reverend Michael J. Carter is up next. But first, 25 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.199 if you enjoy the show and you would like to help support the podcast 26 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.919 on Patreon, you can do this for as little as one dollar a month. 27 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.240 Head on over to patreon dot com forward slash UFO Chronicles Podcast. You 28 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:42.960 can also find a link in the description of this episode. Any help is 29 00:02:43.159 --> 00:03:02.680 very much appreciated. Now on with the show, Whereverend Michael J. Katza. 30 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:07.319 Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Nick. I 31 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.520 was looking forward to this all day and it's a pleasure to be here the 32 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.680 same here. Thanks for joining us today. And you're calling from North Carolina. 33 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:21.159 Yes, yes, and we've been having our I won't call it the 34 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.719 rainy season, but it seems like that this time of year, we get 35 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.680 a lot of rain. As a matter of fact, someone told me that, 36 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:35.159 I mean, thousands of years ago this part of the country, North 37 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.080 Carolina, parts of Georgia, that and where I am as closer to the 38 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:44.680 Appalachian Mountains, it used to be a rainforest. And in the mornings I 39 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:49.960 wake up to the beautiful sound of you know, of birds singing. But 40 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:54.520 when it rains, if you close your eyes, it sounds, it feels 41 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:59.800 like you're in a rainforest. The sounds, it's very interesting. And we 42 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.800 get a lot of rain here. It's almost like if you've ever been to 43 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:06.520 the Caribbean and you know at least once a day, you know, in 44 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:10.840 the summer or what have you, you're going to get rain. Well that's 45 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:14.680 not what we have here. At least once a day we'll get some rain 46 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:17.519 and then it goes away like it never happened, comes and goes it cools 47 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:23.399 down for a very short time and then walks back up yes, yes, 48 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.519 yes, which I kind of like, Okay, Now, now you are 49 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.839 a lifelong abductee and you have several experiences you're going to be sharing with us 50 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.160 today. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir? 51 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:39.839 Yes, that seems like a very good place to start. My first conscious 52 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:45.240 and by that I mean where I was an adult experience was on December twenty 53 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.680 eighth, nineteen eighty nine. My girlfriend at the time and I were in 54 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:56.720 Cancun and we took a day trip to the Yucatan Peninsula. You know, 55 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.160 we were in Mexico, and we went to see the pyramids in Pyramids at 56 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:05.079 Chitsanita and to Loom and I mean, I can't they were breathtaking, and 57 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:11.839 you know the culture, obviously, it's a lot of mystery around the technology, 58 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.199 how they knew some of the things they knew about astronomy, astrology, 59 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.399 that kind of thing. And so, you know, we flew back to 60 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:27.600 New York and I was invited to a gathering and my girlfriend decided to stay 61 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.920 home. She was tired after the flight. It was cold. I kind 62 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:34.560 of wanted to gloat, you know, I had a nice tan, my 63 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:42.040 hair had turned really light colored, and so I went and we you know, 64 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:46.480 it was several people there, no adult beverages, no alcohol was served, 65 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.199 just finger food, lots of deviled eggs, which I'm a big fan 66 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:55.160 of. And I decided to go home. So I come home. I 67 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.560 remember she was already in bed sleep. I changed clothes and got in the 68 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:03.639 bed. I don't remember the time, except that obviously it was early morning, 69 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:09.120 and I don't know whether I felt the presence in the room or if 70 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.959 I had to get up to go to the bathroom. But when I got 71 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:16.759 up, I turned around because I sleep on my stomach, and this being 72 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:24.439 was at the edge of my bed. Now, the being, this individual, 73 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:28.040 did not have this robe. The artist I have an artist who makes 74 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.720 sculptures of the beings that I've seen. I asked her to put a Buddha 75 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:36.680 robe on this person. He had on and I'm using ee, but he 76 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:42.759 had could have been a she. And it it's like a NASCAR race driver. 77 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:47.240 That tight fitting kind of suit looked like a turtleneck kind of and it 78 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:53.959 was like Reynolds wrap. It was shiny, and I was I was scared 79 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.800 to death. The being was at the foot of my bed. Just staring 80 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:01.240 at me. I would say maybe three and a half feet tall, no 81 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:10.240 more than four feet tall, chalk white, a blue light around the body, 82 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:15.800 and over the blue light was this bright, bright light. My whole 83 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:20.279 room was lit up like I was in Times Square, and my girlfriend did 84 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:26.560 not wake up, and so I was so afraid. It's fight or flight. 85 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:30.120 I thought I was going to have a heart attack. And this being 86 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.480 is looking at me. I'm looking at this being. And finally I got 87 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:39.519 in a fetal position and I pulled the covers up over my head. At 88 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:45.680 that point, I remember the temperature change and like I was outside. It 89 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:54.800 felt like I was outside, and I heard the wind and my mind, 90 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:59.920 I mean, I'm trying to make sense of all this. And I finally 91 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:05.959 got the courage to pull the covers down, and I was in my room 92 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:11.759 and no one was there. I woke my girlfriend up, and she's the 93 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:18.079 very understanding and a deeply spiritual person, so she didn't laugh at me, 94 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:22.360 she didn't ridicule me, and I told her what had happened. And this 95 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:31.639 was going on went on twice a month for about eight months, almost a 96 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:37.519 year. Eight months I'll say full moon and New Moon. I would get 97 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:45.720 a visit from these little people. Most of the time I'd be paralyzed so 98 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:50.000 I couldn't move, and they would show me pictures. Or one time they 99 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:54.799 showed me a picture of I assumed it was a past life. It was 100 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.720 me as a monk. It was in my mind's eye, I was a 101 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:05.000 Atholic monk, like maybe fifteen six or twelfth thirteenth century. I had the 102 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:09.679 little robe, the rope belt, the little I don't know what you call 103 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.960 that haircut where they have the little ball spot there and then right next to 104 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.639 it. They showed me an event that happened. Did happen in my life? 105 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:24.360 Nothing you know, sexy, no great prophecy or a great message. 106 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:30.039 An event I was speaking to a crowd of people, and that did happen. 107 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:37.039 Several years later. At one point they had one evening they came and 108 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.279 they would They started coming when my girlfriend at the time worked in the evening. 109 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.399 She was an entertainer and she would do nightclub work and she would be 110 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:50.080 gone and I would be home alone. And I remember one evening, you 111 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:54.039 know, when they would come. They I would be I couldn't move, 112 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:58.720 but they would It felt like electricity was going through my body, like an 113 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:05.240 electrode was going through my body. Sometimes I would feel heat and electrobes around 114 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.039 my throat, like this chakra here. One time they stuck a needle in 115 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.200 the back of my head. This was very interesting, right where the hollow 116 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:20.000 is here, this hollow place where your neck and your head meet. Excruciating 117 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.799 pain. And then they left. I was paralyzed and they did and then 118 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.799 they left. And I was talking to a friend of mine about it, 119 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:33.519 and she said, I know this sounds crazy, but this whole thing sounds 120 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.399 crazy, she said, but you have to talk to them. They're probably 121 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.559 around you even when you don't see them. You need to set some boundaries 122 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:46.399 up here, because you know, I wasn't sleeping Nick. You know I 123 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.919 wasn't sleeping. I wasn't telling anybody about this. Later on, I did 124 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.919 find a support group and the late Bud Hopkins regressed me and a woman by 125 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:00.120 the name of Jean Mundy that had me holding on to my sanity, and 126 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.159 I did it. I know I felt foolish, but I would say, 127 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:07.039 look, you cannot do this to me. You hurt me. I remember 128 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.600 my girlfriend said she thought I was one time she thought I was losing my 129 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.799 mind. She walked in the house, she said, and you were standing 130 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:20.320 and with your shorts on, yelling up at the ceiling. Now the story 131 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:28.320 is important for this reason. After I had that talk, they did come 132 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.519 again, and everything was the same. I was paralyzed. I couldn't move, 133 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:41.559 but they showed me, in my mind's eye a syringe and I felt 134 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.840 just the tiniest pinprint. It's like when someone a nurse takes your blood and 135 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.080 you don't even feel it, you know, it was right in the top 136 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:58.159 of my head and my crown. I felt nothing, and then they were 137 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:05.519 gone to me. I felt like they listened to me because they didn't hurt 138 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:13.159 me. Months go by, and on one occasion, actually two occasions, 139 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.840 this person came in my room of Reptilian. Again it's always at night, 140 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.320 and you know, they this gentleman walked right through my wall. Just it 141 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:28.440 wasn't like like with the gray person. I turned around and they were there. 142 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.000 I was in bed and I was lying on my back and I looked 143 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.519 to the side because my bedroom at that time in the apartment was against the 144 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:45.080 wall. And he walked in had a tail. The eyes were the pupils 145 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:50.639 were vertical instead of horizontal, the whites. We have whites. His were 146 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:56.080 yellow. I say he because he spoke, but his mouth didn't move, 147 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:01.360 and I heard it in my head and he said, don't be afraid. 148 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:07.039 He touched me and he said don't be afraid. And this being was about 149 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.799 as tall, almost as tall as my ceiling in that apartment. And that 150 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:18.320 was it. He just stared at me and I stared at him again, 151 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:24.720 heart getting ready to come out of my chest, and he just stepped right 152 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:30.399 through, just went out the wall, just walked through the wall. By 153 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:35.000 this time, I was in a support group I had. I'm a reader, 154 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.320 as we talked about before the show, and I went to a place 155 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:45.039 downtown in the Soho area of New York. It was a bookstore called the 156 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.960 Open Center, and you know, they had books and crystals and workshops and 157 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:56.039 things like that. And so I went down there and I bought every book 158 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.720 I could find on UFOs, particularly UFOs and religion. Because see, as 159 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:05.759 this was, I was raised in the Baptist tradition, and I was already 160 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.000 getting away from that. It just didn't work for me anymore. An angry 161 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:18.080 god who damned people for eternity, I was already drifting away from that when 162 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:26.600 these experiences started. So I started studying metaphysics and taro and psychic phenomenon and 163 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.960 you know, existential philosophy, these types of things. So I went and 164 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.720 I got all these books, and of course I wasn't sleeping at night. 165 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.720 Of course, you know, I was hyper vigilant, you know, post 166 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.559 traumatic stress, which I still do have now a bit. And I went 167 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:54.000 to the counter and I felt like I was buying condoms or something. For 168 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.919 the first time, I was afraid to look the cashier in the eye. 169 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.480 I would not look him in the face. He was an interesting looking man. 170 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.879 As you see, I have locks, dreadlocks. This guy had dreadlocks 171 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:11.000 before they were in vogue. And it was interesting because he was bald up 172 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.639 here and the dreadlocks just came out of the same It was a very strange 173 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:20.320 looking man. And he took all the books and he started ringing them up, 174 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.759 and I wouldn't look at him to make eye contact. And he said, 175 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.399 boy, this is a lot of interesting reading. I said yeah. 176 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.600 He said, is this a hobby or is this for real? And before 177 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.519 I could answer, he said, you know, you don't look too good. 178 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.279 And he gave me a card on the back of the card, he 179 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:46.000 wrote a woman's number and I called that number and it was a support group 180 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:52.440 for experiences, and that's that helped me get a handle on some of the 181 00:15:54.639 --> 00:16:02.200 trauma I was going through. Sometimes a few years, two years, three 182 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:07.720 years would go by and I wouldn't have any contact. I would have dreams, 183 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:12.559 but I didn't have the contact. So, you know, I was 184 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:18.600 going about my life. I was leaving the theater to go into ministry, 185 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.919 which is something I had always wanted to do since I was a child. 186 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.360 I didn't know it. I didn't know how to say I wanted to be 187 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:29.559 a priest or a minister, but I wound up leaving show business to do 188 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:36.320 that. So you know, I was leading a you know, I was 189 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:41.320 having these experiences. I had a little support group. I started writing my 190 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.200 books and they started to be well received. I started to be asked to 191 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:52.240 speak on certain TV shows, being invited to conferences, that type of thing. 192 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.840 But at the same time, you know, I almost lost my job 193 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:03.160 once as a minister because someone saw me on a TV show and was very 194 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:08.880 upset that my minister was talking about little green men was the phrase she used, 195 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:15.319 and she actually went to the board of trustees, and she tried to 196 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:22.759 get me fired, and luckily for me, fortunately they said he's not forcing 197 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:27.960 his down our throats. He doesn't preach this from the pulpit, and we 198 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:32.680 don't see a reason why he needs to lose his job over this, and 199 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:44.240 so I was very fortunate. So on July fourth, twenty thirteen, that 200 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:48.640 was a significant year leading up to that, but I was going through a 201 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:55.279 rough patch in my life. I was getting divorced my biological dad, who 202 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.880 did not raise me. I met him later on in life, but when 203 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:04.160 we became very close, he died, and I was getting fired from my 204 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:08.960 job as I worked as a hospital chaplain. One of the things that came 205 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:18.039 out of these experiences was I became an energy healer reiki, and I always 206 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:23.799 felt that they kind of nudged me towards that, and I still have clients 207 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:30.000 today and I still use it. So in twenty thirteen, these things were 208 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:37.680 going on, and what had happened was I had developed a blood clot and 209 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.640 it was from my right ankle up to my growing area. It was pretty 210 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.680 big and painful. I never had a blood clot before, so I really 211 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.759 didn't know what it was. I thought maybe I pulled a muscle or something, 212 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:56.200 and it was extremely painful. And my ex wife, my first wife, 213 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:57.920 said, you know, you need to get that look at. You're 214 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.880 not supposed to be in that kind of pain for three four days at a 215 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:04.279 time. So I finally listened to her and I did. And they told 216 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:10.720 me I had a blood clot and they were giving me something called kuminin wayfir 217 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:15.720 and blood thinner, and I had to inject myself with this blood thinner in 218 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.440 my stomach to you know, to kind of get the to go down. 219 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:25.200 I have a lot of friends who fought in Vietnam. I was too young 220 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.079 to fight in Vietnam. The war was over in April of seventy five. 221 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.200 I was just graduating high school in seventy five. But I had a lot 222 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:37.480 of friends who fought, and they liked me. They for some reason, 223 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:42.079 I was drawing Vietnam vets to me for some reason, and they would tell 224 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.720 me. Some of them would talk about it. Some of them wouldn't, 225 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.400 but a lot of them did, and they would confide in me. I 226 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.799 could not have survived what they had to go through. I don't think I 227 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.319 could have. But one day they were telling me about what it was like 228 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:03.000 to be on patrol, to be in the base camp, and you know, 229 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.240 you slept in your fox hole. Sometimes there was incoming fire and outgoing 230 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.920 artillery. Sometimes there's water in the hole, but you had to adapt to 231 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.680 that and you had to sleep. And you know, even through the artillery, 232 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.720 that kind of stuff. It was. It just seemed horrific. On 233 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:29.599 July fourth, twenty thirteen, we had a terrible, terrible thunderstorm here and 234 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:36.400 there's usually fireworks in America on July fourth, Independence Day. I do not 235 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:41.359 like fireworks. I never liked fireworks. But at that time, I was 236 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.960 going through a divorce and we were trying to make it see if we could 237 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:49.359 hold on. And I have a daughter, she's eighteen now, and so 238 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.119 you know, even though we weren't living together, we were trying to see 239 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:56.200 if we were going to get back together. So we would do things together. 240 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.319 Obviously there's a family, so I would go to the fire works with 241 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.160 them on the fourth of July. You know, it was, you know, 242 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.559 I'm trying to make nice. I don't want my marriage to break up, 243 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:15.359 and you know, so we did things this particular night. The first 244 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.480 of all, I was just so grateful that they canceled it. And the 245 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:26.519 thunderstorms, the thunder and lightning was so intense. I couldn't go to sleep. 246 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:33.480 So I'm lying in bed. I've got the blood clot going on. 247 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:41.319 It's still not shrinking. And again I don't know whether I sent somebody in 248 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:49.279 my room or what, but I turn around and this person is in my 249 00:21:49.440 --> 00:22:00.400 room. A Nordic person has on a grayish robe with a not a hoodie 250 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:08.839 cowl. They call it a rope belt, at least seven feet tall, 251 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:17.000 because his head was almost hitting my ceiling. Very muscular. You could see 252 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:22.119 his physique underneath the robe. You could see the pectoral muscles. You could 253 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:30.119 see this guy was ripped. I'm just staring with my mouth open, and 254 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.680 he takes his hand, his right hand, he lifts it up like this, 255 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:40.279 and a green light comes out and hits me in my stomach. Because 256 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:42.640 at this time I'm up on my belt. I see it hit me, 257 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:49.359 but I don't feel it. And then he just dissolves. He just his 258 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:59.440 molecules just disperse. So I look down at my legs. Actually I'm looking 259 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:04.200 at my stomach, and I see that my leg both my legs are the 260 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:11.279 same size both of them. My right leg is no longer swollen. I 261 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:15.960 mean my leg was swollen, man, I mean it was huge compared to 262 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:19.960 my left leg. And I called a friend of mine who lived in California. 263 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.400 You may know him or heard of him. His name is Preston Dennett. 264 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.000 He's written several books. He's a prolific writer, and he's written two 265 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:37.359 books on people who have been healed from UFO encounters. I'm in his second 266 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:41.839 edition from the story I'm telling you now. I called Preston at about ten 267 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:48.559 of nine point fifty my time Eastern Standard time. He was living in California, 268 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.519 so it's about ten of seven his time, but he didn't pick up. 269 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:56.680 I was probably out, and so later on I told him what happened. 270 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:00.960 But then I called my ex and you know, the next day I 271 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:07.000 go over there and both her and my daughter. It was almost choreographed. 272 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:14.559 They gassed. They were like, your leg is healed, and it was. 273 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:19.319 And I had to go to the doctor right because every week or ten 274 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.640 days, you know, they stick you and take your blood. You know, 275 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:27.279 they check you. I guess to see what's going on with the blood, 276 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.680 with the blood clot But they would stick a pin and I had to 277 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:36.000 go like every week. Every week I had to go. So of course 278 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:40.000 I'm not going to tell them what happened to me because they would lock me 279 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:45.920 up. You see what I'm saying. So they kept asking me. They 280 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:51.000 wouldn't let up. I kept saying, maybe the medicine's working. I don't 281 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:53.720 know. I don't know what happened, but but you know it's gone. 282 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:56.880 I've been taking the medicine, yes, just like you asked me to. 283 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:03.240 I've been and fine. I said, look, I don't know what happened. 284 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.720 You don't know what happened, but can't we just be happy that I'm 285 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:12.960 better? Can't we just be happy that the blood clot is gone and we 286 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:18.039 can just chalk it up. That put them back on their heels a bit, 287 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:19.799 and they said, of course, mister Carter, of course, of 288 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.359 course, of course, you know we want you to be better, but 289 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:29.000 we just we want how did this happen? You were just here last week 290 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.200 and your leg was swollen like a balloon. So anyway, we got through 291 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.920 that, and I got them to take me off of the medication. The 292 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:45.960 rest, as they say, is history. In twenty nineteen, I went 293 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:52.680 to speak at a UFO conference in Knoxville, Tennessee. It's about a two 294 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.720 hour drive from where I live now, and it was memorable for the story 295 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.119 I'm getting ready to tell you, but it was also memorable because I got 296 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:06.480 a standing ovation and I was so surprised, and I was like, wow, 297 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:12.440 I find that as an experiencer, and because my expertise is religion, 298 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:18.440 people are hungry for this, because people are trying to find out can I 299 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.799 still believe what I believe and still believe in UFOs or that we live in 300 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.400 a populated universe. Of course, I say, of course you can. 301 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:32.200 But you know, when I start talking about the Bible and other texts and 302 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:37.000 this phenomenon, you can hear pin drop. And here in the States there 303 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.640 are not many ministers talking about it, and there are various reasons for that. 304 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:47.200 So I'm in Knoxville and I get you know, you're meeting people, 305 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:51.440 you're signing boots, you're meeting people, giving up business cards and that kind 306 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.440 of thing. And I met a woman there who became we became fast friends 307 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.759 her and some other people, and she was introducing me to people, telling 308 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.480 people, but you should buy his book, and so you know, we 309 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.799 became friends, and we said we'll stay in touch with each other. And 310 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:11.440 so when I got back home, you know, down off the high of 311 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:18.039 a wonderful conference. Later that week, this woman gave me a call and 312 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.319 she said, how are you, Michael, And I said I'm fine. 313 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.039 She said, you know, I was telling some friends about you and what 314 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.799 a lovely person you are and YadA, YadA, YadA, And she said 315 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.720 I told them about your books. But I have a friend who has a 316 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:36.000 message for you. And I said, sure, okay. She said she's 317 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:40.720 a lawyer, but she's also a psychic and I remember saying, boy, 318 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:47.119 that's using both hemispheres of your brain. And she said, can she give 319 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.920 you a message? And I said sure, And she said I can give 320 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.079 her your number, or you can talk to her right now. She's right 321 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.759 here with me, and I said, put her on, So she says, 322 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:03.799 she gets on. We exchanged pleasant and she says, look, you 323 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:10.640 don't know me, and I understand that, but she says, I don't 324 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.400 know how to explain this to you. But she said, have you ever 325 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:18.079 seen a praying mantis being? And I said no, only in books. 326 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.799 She said, you've never seen one in person? I said no, I 327 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:26.319 haven't. She said, well, I see them around you, and I 328 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.759 just had to tell you that. She said, I think in about three 329 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.920 days you're going to see one. And I said, wow, really and 330 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:41.680 she said yeah. And I said okay, it's okay. And she said 331 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.599 all right, and I said I'll be in touch. So the next night, 332 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:51.920 Nick, the next day, you know, you go about my day. 333 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:56.240 I come home, but I notice, you know, it's just a 334 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.359 weirder energy in my house. I don't know how to put it any other 335 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:03.720 way. I would walk and you know, the apartment, get a glass 336 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:08.119 of water, whatever, and you know, it just felt different. That's 337 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:14.440 all I can tell you. The second night, I go get something to 338 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.440 eat, I use the bathroom. I'm walking around and my hair is standing 339 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.279 on end, and I'm saying, now, wait a minute, wait a 340 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:26.799 minute, Michael, stop it. This is auto suggestion. There's nothing going 341 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:33.319 on now. Caveat. My brother was murdered in a robbery. Someone shot 342 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.599 my brother and killed him. He was robbed back in July of nineteen ninety 343 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.480 five, July fifteenth. My brother was a heavy smoker, and there were 344 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:48.839 times in my life in that apartment where I would smell cigarette smoke I'm not 345 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.640 a smoker, and I would just figure it was my brother. He's around 346 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:57.000 me, so, you know, I was trying to rationalize. The third 347 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:06.960 night, I come on and I'm feeling a presence in this apartment and I'm 348 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.359 starting to get chills when I walk around the apartment. So I'm like, 349 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:17.640 now, look, Michael, let's let's calm down here. And I just 350 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:21.400 I lay down on my bed. I lay down on my bed, on 351 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:26.039 my back, and I closed my eyes just I could just say, let's 352 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:32.839 just get a grip here, and I feel my bed, the mattress go 353 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:38.319 down, and this person is looking me in the face. I thought I 354 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:44.079 was going to go to the bathroom on myself, and I mean so close 355 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:51.240 to my face it was yeah, and then just vanished, just like that, 356 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.000 Just like that. I called Tanya and I said, please tell your 357 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:04.039 friend the next day that she was correct, thank her for me. And 358 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:11.759 that was that. My first book is called Alien Scriptures Extraterrestrials in the Holy 359 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:18.200 Bible. This was my first book. It started out as my master's thesis. 360 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.599 I went to Union Theological Seminary in New York City, one of the 361 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:27.119 top seminaries in the country. I got a really good education there, and 362 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:33.160 I decided I was going to write my thesis, my master's thesis on this, 363 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:38.319 and surprisingly so they said fine. I thought they would say, young 364 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:45.240 man, you will graduate from here writing trite like this, but they were 365 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.519 more than supportive. As a matter of fact, two of my professors wanted 366 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.720 me to stay on for a PhD in systematic theology, which I politely refused, 367 00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:59.079 even though I was flattered, because I didn't want to be the age 368 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:04.559 I am now still off my education and I wrote that book, which I 369 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:09.359 have here Alien Scriptures that you can get it on Amazon. I know it's 370 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:15.079 shameless promotion. The second book I wrote is called a New World if you 371 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.799 can take it, God, Extraterrestrials, and the Evolution of Human Consciousness. 372 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:25.240 They're both Biblically based, but this one I go into some of the Catholic 373 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:32.519 figures of old and Protestant who argued that we lived in a populated universe in 374 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.799 antiquity. And then I didn't want to be known as the UFO minister. 375 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.599 You know, I have other interests in that kind of thing, and so 376 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.240 I wrote a meditation manual called God Consciousness. I should have put God in 377 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:52.400 quotations. It's a thirty day journey to achieve God centered thinking. And it's 378 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:58.000 a meditation manual with something to meditate on every day, from religion, from 379 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:05.359 psychology, from atheists, just people who were very wise or had a deeper 380 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.359 interior life. And so I wrote that, and then I wrote a book 381 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:15.559 on the metaphysics of spiritual healing and affirmative prayer, because obviously I'm a healer 382 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:22.759 and I was into that and prayer. I'm a big believer in prayer. 383 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:29.000 And then I wrote a book called Initiation, The Spiritual Transformation of the Experience. 384 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.839 This is a book for people who are experiencers. It's a book, 385 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.440 it's a handbook. It's a book for people whose loved ones may be experiencers, 386 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:43.440 or you may know someone who thinks they're having these experiences. And it 387 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:49.599 gives you a history of it. It gives you clues as to if you're 388 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:54.920 really having these experiences or not. And it talks about the transformation that can 389 00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:00.920 occur. Not for everybody, but for many people who have had these experiences, 390 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.880 their life has changed. I'm one of them. I'm for the better, 391 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:08.039 and they cultivated a deeper inner life. An interior life, and that's 392 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:15.159 my definition of spirituality. So this is for people who are experiencers or who 393 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:20.400 have loved ones who are. And this book just came out in December. 394 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:25.440 It's a collection of sermons. It's called Enlightenment. It's in hardcover. It's 395 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:29.320 my first hardcover. The other books are soft covers. You can get this 396 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.039 as soft cover, hardcover, and as an e book. And it's a 397 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:39.679 collection of sermons on philosophy, on religion, on holidays, on social justice. 398 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:46.880 So those are my works and I'm very proud of that. That's pretty 399 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:51.679 much all I can tell you for right now. I do continue to do 400 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:57.440 Ancient Aliens. I just finished shooting two episodes about a month and a half 401 00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:01.280 ago, so they'll probably air soon. One episode is called The Chosen. 402 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:07.960 The other episode is called The Teachers. There's a new show coming up next 403 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:12.840 month. I had to sign a non disclosure agreement, so I can't really 404 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:17.280 get into it except to say that it's a show that will be on the 405 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:23.360 Discovery Channel here in the States. So that's been keeping me busy. I 406 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:29.079 got a daughter in who's going to college in a few months. I'm very 407 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:34.199 proud of that. And you know, life has been kind and I'm a 408 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.000 very fortunate person, and I want to thank you for having me on the 409 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.559 show. I want to thank for taking the time out of their busy lives 410 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:53.519 to take the time to listen to my story. Are you intrigued by paranormal 411 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:59.559 talk radio? You love the new Paranormal Radio app from talk stream Live. 412 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.559 You'll find a great selection of talk shows covering UFOs, ghosts, strange phenomena, 413 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.360 and much more. Download the Paranormal Radio app now and start listening to 414 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:15.159 the very best in paranormal talk entertainment, including the network you're listening to right 415 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.719 now. The Paranormal Radio app free in Google Play and the iOS app store. 416 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.920 Wonderful, sir. You have been busy. I have, and I 417 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.199 try to. I tried not to be too busy, but you know what 418 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.000 I mean, I try to. How can I say? I try to 419 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:43.079 have a good work life balance, a healthy work life balance. So I 420 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.920 got some playtime coming up. My wife and I. Maybe this summer we'll 421 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:51.159 go to the beach, maybe do some traveling. As I said, my 422 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:55.000 daughter will be going to college soon, so she'll be off living her life. 423 00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:00.719 So yeah, now, yeah, you have written several books, to 424 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.119 those who were trying to get pens to write down the names real books. 425 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.440 They're available on Amazon, Amazon dot Com and Barnes and Nobles, but mostly 426 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.599 Amazon. As I said the first one, if you type Reverend Michael J. 427 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:21.719 As Carter in they will come up. The first book is Alien Scriptures, 428 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:28.280 Extraterrestrials and the Holy Bible. The second book is called A New World 429 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.360 If you can take it. The subtitles long God, Extraterrestrials, and the 430 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:36.159 Evolution of Human Consciousness. But if you just put in a New World, 431 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.079 if you can take it. The third book I had written, it's called 432 00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:45.880 God Consciousness, a thirty Day Journey to achieve God Centered Thinking. It's a 433 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:52.320 month long handbook of daily spiritual practices and reflections. The fourth book I had 434 00:37:52.360 --> 00:38:00.039 written is called The Metaphysics of Spiritual Healing and the Power of Affirmative What I 435 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:07.599 mean by affirmative prayer is not looking at creation, not looking at the universe 436 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.119 or multiverse. Now as a giant daddy, Dear God, please give me 437 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.519 this, Dear God, please give me that. But by affirming what you 438 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:22.440 want, affirming that what all that you need is already there, it will 439 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:29.519 be provided it's an affirmation, and so I talk about using that technique in 440 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:36.800 your prayer life. This book is called Initiation, The Spiritual Transformation of the 441 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:44.559 Experiencer. And my latest book is called Enlightenment. It's a collection of sermons 442 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:52.719 on social justice, philosophy, religion, spirituality, holidays, the meaning of 443 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.639 holidays, those types of things wonderful. They're on my list now to our 444 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.679 listeners. I'll make all links of available in the description to all those that 445 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.280 are walking dogs, driving in their car, so you can revisit and check 446 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:12.559 out some of these fine books. Now, your experiences have happened over several 447 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.280 years, just in the very beginning. Were you confused? Were you scared? 448 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:21.320 Did you really understand what was going on? No? I didn't all 449 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.719 of the above. I was. I didn't you know. I was a 450 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.719 wreck. I wasn't sleeping at night. I was hyper vigilant. I was 451 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.519 afraid to go to bed at night to turn the light out. I still 452 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.079 have a little bit of that now, not a lot, but a little. 453 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.199 And until I got that support group, until I got that support group, 454 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:45.199 and until I got regressed, that's when I started to settle in a 455 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:50.079 little more, and I had people who were having the same experiences. Now 456 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:54.119 some people at that time in New York, there were two camps. There 457 00:39:54.280 --> 00:40:01.239 was the John Mack camp that these experiences, these experience says and experiencers, 458 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.679 that that there could be a spiritual transformation. And then there was my good 459 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.719 friend Bud, the late Bud Hopkins. He ran a group, but most 460 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.639 of the people in his group did not view this in any kind of way 461 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:22.199 that we would call positive. Some of them had had horrific experiences, sperm 462 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:28.239 taken or ovum removed, anal probes, those types of things. And so 463 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:34.239 we had these two camps. One camp saying that it's all bad, that 464 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.280 their demons that they're you know, and then there was the camp I was 465 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.639 in, and there were we weren't saying that, you know, they all 466 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:45.519 wanted to sing, you know, John Lennon's imagine with us or Kumbaya, 467 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:51.280 but we were saying that we had a different experience and that was just as 468 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:57.920 valid. And so you were even one of those two camps. And that's 469 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:04.400 that's what was going on with me at the time. Right after the story 470 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.199 I told you about the being being in my bedroom, I remember talking to 471 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.000 if you well, the same friend Donna Cunningham, who has since crossed over. 472 00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:17.880 She's she died several years ago. She said to me, Michael, 473 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.679 I believe you, and I when you I want you to go down to 474 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:28.880 the village. The next time you're down in the East Village. She told 475 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:34.480 me these walk to down eighth Street, eighth Street, eighth Avenue to fourth 476 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.039 Street. Sorry in the East Village in New York City. She said, 477 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:43.719 you're going to see a mural on a wall that someone painted. And she 478 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:49.000 said, I want you to tell me if the person you saw was there. 479 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.320 And I went down there and sure enough, whoever the artist was had 480 00:41:53.400 --> 00:42:00.480 painted pictures of gray extraterrestrials on a wall down there. So that helped me. 481 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.320 That helped me believe, you know that I wasn't crazy, but I 482 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.000 was, you know, I was shaken, Yeah, very much, so 483 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:14.320 very much. So. On the other hand, it got me thinking that 484 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:22.480 if this being visited me in nineteen eighty nine CE, then they probably were 485 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:30.840 here in nineteen eighty nine BCE and beyond that. And so that got me 486 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:37.880 on my quest about what are the religious implications these beings? If we're not 487 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:45.400 alone and we're not and these beings could they be in our myths, could 488 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.880 they be in our religious texts? And sure enough they were. So they 489 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.960 started me on that journey. And the other thing that I felt was even 490 00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:01.159 more important, or at least as important outside of that incident about the needle 491 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.400 back here these people have never hurt me ever, And it was just the 492 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:14.440 bizarreness of the way they looked, even the Nordic person who was more humanoid, 493 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.719 and just that they could just pop up, they could just ping themselves 494 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.000 into my room. But other than that, if anything, my life had 495 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:29.599 gotten better. Why you ask, I'm glad you asked how well, initially 496 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:37.480 my intuitive apparatus I was very very It just shot off the charts. I 497 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.360 became much, much, much, much more intuitive. I can't explain it 498 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.800 any other way than to say I felt more intelligent for some reason. My 499 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:52.280 skin, my hair, and nails grew really fast, really fast. I 500 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:57.360 could get by or less sleep. So these are more physiological changes. But 501 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.880 the only way I can say it is I felt more love. I felt 502 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:07.519 that I was able to give more love and receive more love. I felt 503 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:12.159 that my heart, for lack of a better word, was more open. 504 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:16.239 I was more willing to be vulnerable. I was more willing to say I'm 505 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:22.159 sorry, I'm scared, I love you. I became much more authentic now, 506 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.320 I want to be clear, I was working towards this. I had 507 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:30.440 a meditation life. I was in therapy for some family history stuff at the 508 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:40.119 time, so I was already on a path. These experiences expedited that kind 509 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:49.599 of grows and so those were the gifts that I got from from these experiences 510 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:55.639 before December of nineteen eighty nine. Do you recall any other incidents that possibly 511 00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:00.199 would have occurred in your childhood? Yeah, I do. When I was 512 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:07.679 younger, much younger, I could see auras around everything, around people, 513 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:14.719 around inanimate objects. I used to see these orbs in my room. Looking 514 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.440 back now, they were like the colors of the shock, where some of 515 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:22.039 them were blue, they were green. I'd be in my room and they'd 516 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.039 be just floating in front of me, and they looked like doughnuts. They 517 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:30.119 would be a circle with a little tiny hole in between, a pink, 518 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.639 a little like a pink, like a pin in between, and they would 519 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.320 just float and I could see the three dimensionality of empty space. But I 520 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.800 thought everybody could so, and you know, I wasn't like, oh wow, 521 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:47.039 I just thought that this was very natural. I used to have nosebleeds 522 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:51.519 a lot, but I didn't realize there were nosebleeds. There were times when 523 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.000 I would wake up with blood on my pillow, and I thought at the 524 00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.480 time that maybe my ear was bleeding, but I saw no blo you know, 525 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.440 no residue or blood or whatever. And then one day I realized it 526 00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.599 was my nose. But and then when I got older, some people say, 527 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:12.159 well, maybe you had an implant, maybe they put something in, 528 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.480 you know, to track you. But I don't know if that's true. 529 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:21.519 But those were things. If I'm on a beach, and if someone has 530 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.559 darker skin, a tan, or they may be a person of color, 531 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.119 if I stare at them long enough, I can see the skeleton beneath the 532 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.320 skin. I have that kind of vision. So already, you know you 533 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:40.039 were a very spiritual person when you were ordained as a minister. Did this 534 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:46.039 happen prior to your experiences or after it was happening during the time I was 535 00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:52.519 in seminary. Do you think these experiences put you on this path? Yes, 536 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:58.239 I was an actor, you know, and I, you know, 537 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.079 wanted to be a working actor, a movie star, I guess, a 538 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.239 Broadway person. I mean, it wasn't conscious. I got to be a 539 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.639 star, but that's that was my chosen profession, and I wanted to work 540 00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:15.199 regularly. So that's where that's the path I was on. But before this, 541 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:21.599 before the experiences, I was disillusioned. I found the theater to be 542 00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.400 a very self absorbed occupation. And that's not a critique, it's just an 543 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.800 observation. I'm not, you know, saying that it was wrong. And 544 00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.960 so I just wasn't fulfilled. I wanted to serve. I wanted to be 545 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:40.920 of service and as an actor. You know, not unless you're one of 546 00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.519 the two or three percent who are really working and making a living at any 547 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.840 given time. I mean, show business is the only business I know where 548 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:54.760 there is a ninety eight percent unemployment ninety seven at all times. I just 549 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.880 said, do you want to do this the rest of your life? Do 550 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:02.920 you want to always have to audition to get a show? You know, 551 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.239 because when one show opens, it closes and then you're looking for work again. 552 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.039 Not unless you're one of the fortunate ones. You get a series, 553 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:14.119 you get a movie where you get some soap out, you know, you 554 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.880 get a steady gig, and I just said, no, this is not 555 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:25.119 what I want to do. And so these things kind of influenced me. 556 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:30.480 But I always had free will. You know, I could have said I 557 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.159 don't want to. You know. It wasn't like they forced me or anything. 558 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.280 But I think they were probably saying, you know, this is not 559 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:43.719 all you can have out of your life, you know, And so I 560 00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:49.559 changed. I changed. But when I was a kid, nick I didn't 561 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:54.519 know how to articulate it, but I wanted to be a priest. You 562 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:59.320 know. I loved religion, not for what it is, but what it 563 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.719 could be. But it was probably meant to be. I love churches, 564 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:07.199 I love mosques, I love going to temples. I loved it and I'm 565 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:13.400 at home. And when they showed me, for instance, that past life, 566 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.280 it gave me a clue to how comfortable I was because I'd done it 567 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:22.320 before. You know, they showed me me as a monk. So so 568 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:27.679 I've been religion was a part of my other lives. So that kind of 569 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.440 affirmed that I was on the right path. And when it comes to religion 570 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:38.039 and the church, we know what the public opinion is within the Church of 571 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:44.079 all this, what is the private opinion. Do you have other ministers that 572 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.480 come to you and you know that are as open as you are? No, 573 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.360 No, I don't, but I know they're out there, and I 574 00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:55.119 know why they don't speak up, like a certain things with academics. You 575 00:49:55.239 --> 00:50:00.039 know, everything you've worked for, you throw away, and you've got to 576 00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:08.440 decide for yourself how far you can go because your credibility will be doubted and 577 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:14.400 you could split your church. Let's say I started preaching this from my church. 578 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.719 In my church, some people would agree, some people wouldn't. So 579 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.599 now I've split my church. I've caused a split. Why do that? 580 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.039 And you know, I'm just fortunate because I don't have a pope or bishop. 581 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.119 You know, I'm a Unitarian Universalist. We don't have that kind of 582 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.599 hierarchy. So I'm fortunate that way. But to come out and say this, 583 00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:42.280 it's still a taboo topic and you can ruin your career. So I 584 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.679 remind myself of that. So I don't get to judge, and I don't 585 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.840 think there's a great conspiracy. But you know, if you got ten years 586 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:54.039 somewhere as a professor, if you're a high ranking church official and don't even 587 00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.920 have to be high ranking. You can just be an everyday preest or minister 588 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:04.039 in whatever denomination your in. You have to decide how far can I stretch 589 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:08.440 without losing my credibility or losing my congregation, and each one of us has 590 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:14.719 to decide that. But really you are breaking boundaries because you're showing two sides 591 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.880 basically, because when it comes to church, you know, they've been very 592 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:21.599 close minded, and you know, you're a very spiritually were very open minded. 593 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.440 And I've had several guests on here that come from very professional backgrounds that 594 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.400 remain completely anonymous because they don't want to affect their career in any way, 595 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.599 you know, which is understandable, but they still feel a need to share, 596 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.239 you know, they still feel the need to come out and say, 597 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.239 you know a lot of stuff I don't understand, but this is what happened 598 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:45.280 to me. Yes, yes, And they have people like you to give 599 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:53.800 them a forum. Nothing is more healing. I think that's maybe that's why 600 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:59.320 alcoholics and anormous the twelve Steps are so powerful. Nothing is more healing, 601 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:06.960 the not to be judged, to be listened to. You know, I 602 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:12.400 don't have to agree with everything someone says, but it's nothing more healing than 603 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.920 to look in someone's face and they look in your face and they're not judging 604 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:22.199 you, and you can let down your guard and share. That in itself 605 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:27.440 is healing. How many times I can't tell you how many times I've had 606 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.800 people come to me for pastoral care, not necessarily about this, but sometimes 607 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:36.719 about this, but just maybe something going on in their lives. And I 608 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:42.840 will listen and they will talk, and at the end of the session, 609 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.599 I may not have even have said ten words, and they'll say, Wow, 610 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.199 you know, I feel so much better. I feel so much better, 611 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.239 Thank you, Thank you for listening to me. Listening is healing one 612 00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:00.800 hundred percent. Not only is this liberating for they that you know you can 613 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:06.280 come on and share, but also the listeners. The listeners which people which 614 00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:10.119 are going through very similar experiences. They're confused. Sometimes it's their first time, 615 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:15.119 they don't know nothing about the subject, and they come across this podcast. 616 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:17.239 They hear the guests speaking and it helps them. It helps them to 617 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.760 understand a little bit. You know, we don't have all the answers, 618 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.320 but helps them to understand what they're going through, what they can do, 619 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.159 how they can make things that the wit better, they can understand a little 620 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.800 more. So it's important that you know people come forward. Yes, so 621 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:34.519 you know, we thank you for that, sir. Well, thank you 622 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:38.840 for giving me the opportunity to keep doing what you're doing because it's really helping 623 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:43.000 people. I'm sure you know that. And I thank you for having me 624 00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.800 on your show. We wish you all the best. We want to see 625 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:51.079 you more on TV. You know, we've got listeners that watch ancient aliens 626 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:54.239 religiously, so we hope that continues. And it's still in the public eye. 627 00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:59.920 And I will put all your links in a description and you may even 628 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:04.400 get a few new members of the congregation in North Carolina. But but don't 629 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.400 expect him to be talking about UFOs on the pool pit. Yes, yes, 630 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:13.960 I actually had some a couple people come one time hearing podcasts and seeing 631 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.920 the shows, and they were kind of disappointed. They happen to be vacationing, 632 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.760 and I said, no, we're not a UFO church. But I'm 633 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.159 so happy that you came by. Anyway. I'm wishing you all good things, 634 00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:29.039 my friend, and same to you, Reverend Michael J. Carter. 635 00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.480 I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners anytime, anytime, 636 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:37.599 keeping contact all right and I will speak you and enjoy the rest of your 637 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.599 evening. Please, thank you, brother, take care, take care for 638 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:45.199 now. Bye overyone. That is all for this episode. Keep updated and 639 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:49.679 connected with the show on x Facebook and Instagram. And if you have an 640 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.519 encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email me at 641 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:58.480 UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to me via 642 00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:04.199 my contact page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A very big 643 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.760 thank you to the Reverend Michael J. Carter for sharing tonight, and thank 644 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.000 you all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then, 645 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.320 stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,