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Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're all doing well
and enjoying the beautiful or rally light shows. I'm Nick HNTA and it's the
UFO Chronicles Podcast. Tonight's guest is a name you should recognize, as he
is a regular on the History Channel's Ancient Aliens and has also been featured on
various other TV shows and documentaries on the Travel Channel. Reverend Michael J.
Carter is joining us today from the state of North Carolina. Michael is an
ordained Into Faith minister and we'll be sharing his encounters that began in December of
nineteen eighty nine. Reverend Michael J. Carter is up next. But first,
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very much appreciated. Now on with the show, Whereverend Michael J. Katza.
Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Nick. I
was looking forward to this all day and it's a pleasure to be here the
same here. Thanks for joining us today. And you're calling from North Carolina.
Yes, yes, and we've been having our I won't call it the
rainy season, but it seems like that this time of year, we get
a lot of rain. As a matter of fact, someone told me that,
I mean, thousands of years ago this part of the country, North
Carolina, parts of Georgia, that and where I am as closer to the
Appalachian Mountains, it used to be a rainforest. And in the mornings I
wake up to the beautiful sound of you know, of birds singing. But
when it rains, if you close your eyes, it sounds, it feels
like you're in a rainforest. The sounds, it's very interesting. And we
get a lot of rain here. It's almost like if you've ever been to
the Caribbean and you know at least once a day, you know, in
the summer or what have you, you're going to get rain. Well that's
not what we have here. At least once a day we'll get some rain
and then it goes away like it never happened, comes and goes it cools
down for a very short time and then walks back up yes, yes,
yes, which I kind of like, Okay, Now, now you are
a lifelong abductee and you have several experiences you're going to be sharing with us
today. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir?
Yes, that seems like a very good place to start. My first conscious
and by that I mean where I was an adult experience was on December twenty
eighth, nineteen eighty nine. My girlfriend at the time and I were in
Cancun and we took a day trip to the Yucatan Peninsula. You know,
we were in Mexico, and we went to see the pyramids in Pyramids at
Chitsanita and to Loom and I mean, I can't they were breathtaking, and
you know the culture, obviously, it's a lot of mystery around the technology,
how they knew some of the things they knew about astronomy, astrology,
that kind of thing. And so, you know, we flew back to
New York and I was invited to a gathering and my girlfriend decided to stay
home. She was tired after the flight. It was cold. I kind
of wanted to gloat, you know, I had a nice tan, my
hair had turned really light colored, and so I went and we you know,
it was several people there, no adult beverages, no alcohol was served,
just finger food, lots of deviled eggs, which I'm a big fan
of. And I decided to go home. So I come home. I
remember she was already in bed sleep. I changed clothes and got in the
bed. I don't remember the time, except that obviously it was early morning,
and I don't know whether I felt the presence in the room or if
I had to get up to go to the bathroom. But when I got
up, I turned around because I sleep on my stomach, and this being
was at the edge of my bed. Now, the being, this individual,
did not have this robe. The artist I have an artist who makes
sculptures of the beings that I've seen. I asked her to put a Buddha
robe on this person. He had on and I'm using ee, but he
had could have been a she. And it it's like a NASCAR race driver.
That tight fitting kind of suit looked like a turtleneck kind of and it
was like Reynolds wrap. It was shiny, and I was I was scared
to death. The being was at the foot of my bed. Just staring
at me. I would say maybe three and a half feet tall, no
more than four feet tall, chalk white, a blue light around the body,
and over the blue light was this bright, bright light. My whole
room was lit up like I was in Times Square, and my girlfriend did
not wake up, and so I was so afraid. It's fight or flight.
I thought I was going to have a heart attack. And this being
is looking at me. I'm looking at this being. And finally I got
in a fetal position and I pulled the covers up over my head. At
that point, I remember the temperature change and like I was outside. It
felt like I was outside, and I heard the wind and my mind,
I mean, I'm trying to make sense of all this. And I finally
got the courage to pull the covers down, and I was in my room
and no one was there. I woke my girlfriend up, and she's the
very understanding and a deeply spiritual person, so she didn't laugh at me,
she didn't ridicule me, and I told her what had happened. And this
was going on went on twice a month for about eight months, almost a
year. Eight months I'll say full moon and New Moon. I would get
a visit from these little people. Most of the time I'd be paralyzed so
I couldn't move, and they would show me pictures. Or one time they
showed me a picture of I assumed it was a past life. It was
me as a monk. It was in my mind's eye, I was a
Atholic monk, like maybe fifteen six or twelfth thirteenth century. I had the
little robe, the rope belt, the little I don't know what you call
that haircut where they have the little ball spot there and then right next to
it. They showed me an event that happened. Did happen in my life?
Nothing you know, sexy, no great prophecy or a great message.
An event I was speaking to a crowd of people, and that did happen.
Several years later. At one point they had one evening they came and
they would They started coming when my girlfriend at the time worked in the evening.
She was an entertainer and she would do nightclub work and she would be
gone and I would be home alone. And I remember one evening, you
know, when they would come. They I would be I couldn't move,
but they would It felt like electricity was going through my body, like an
electrode was going through my body. Sometimes I would feel heat and electrobes around
my throat, like this chakra here. One time they stuck a needle in
the back of my head. This was very interesting, right where the hollow
is here, this hollow place where your neck and your head meet. Excruciating
pain. And then they left. I was paralyzed and they did and then
they left. And I was talking to a friend of mine about it,
and she said, I know this sounds crazy, but this whole thing sounds
crazy, she said, but you have to talk to them. They're probably
around you even when you don't see them. You need to set some boundaries
up here, because you know, I wasn't sleeping Nick. You know I
wasn't sleeping. I wasn't telling anybody about this. Later on, I did
find a support group and the late Bud Hopkins regressed me and a woman by
the name of Jean Mundy that had me holding on to my sanity, and
I did it. I know I felt foolish, but I would say,
look, you cannot do this to me. You hurt me. I remember
my girlfriend said she thought I was one time she thought I was losing my
mind. She walked in the house, she said, and you were standing
and with your shorts on, yelling up at the ceiling. Now the story
is important for this reason. After I had that talk, they did come
again, and everything was the same. I was paralyzed. I couldn't move,
but they showed me, in my mind's eye a syringe and I felt
just the tiniest pinprint. It's like when someone a nurse takes your blood and
you don't even feel it, you know, it was right in the top
of my head and my crown. I felt nothing, and then they were
gone to me. I felt like they listened to me because they didn't hurt
me. Months go by, and on one occasion, actually two occasions,
this person came in my room of Reptilian. Again it's always at night,
and you know, they this gentleman walked right through my wall. Just it
wasn't like like with the gray person. I turned around and they were there.
I was in bed and I was lying on my back and I looked
to the side because my bedroom at that time in the apartment was against the
wall. And he walked in had a tail. The eyes were the pupils
were vertical instead of horizontal, the whites. We have whites. His were
yellow. I say he because he spoke, but his mouth didn't move,
and I heard it in my head and he said, don't be afraid.
He touched me and he said don't be afraid. And this being was about
as tall, almost as tall as my ceiling in that apartment. And that
was it. He just stared at me and I stared at him again,
heart getting ready to come out of my chest, and he just stepped right
through, just went out the wall, just walked through the wall. By
this time, I was in a support group I had. I'm a reader,
as we talked about before the show, and I went to a place
downtown in the Soho area of New York. It was a bookstore called the
Open Center, and you know, they had books and crystals and workshops and
things like that. And so I went down there and I bought every book
I could find on UFOs, particularly UFOs and religion. Because see, as
this was, I was raised in the Baptist tradition, and I was already
getting away from that. It just didn't work for me anymore. An angry
god who damned people for eternity, I was already drifting away from that when
these experiences started. So I started studying metaphysics and taro and psychic phenomenon and
you know, existential philosophy, these types of things. So I went and
I got all these books, and of course I wasn't sleeping at night.
Of course, you know, I was hyper vigilant, you know, post
traumatic stress, which I still do have now a bit. And I went
to the counter and I felt like I was buying condoms or something. For
the first time, I was afraid to look the cashier in the eye.
I would not look him in the face. He was an interesting looking man.
As you see, I have locks, dreadlocks. This guy had dreadlocks
before they were in vogue. And it was interesting because he was bald up
here and the dreadlocks just came out of the same It was a very strange
looking man. And he took all the books and he started ringing them up,
and I wouldn't look at him to make eye contact. And he said,
boy, this is a lot of interesting reading. I said yeah.
He said, is this a hobby or is this for real? And before
I could answer, he said, you know, you don't look too good.
And he gave me a card on the back of the card, he
wrote a woman's number and I called that number and it was a support group
for experiences, and that's that helped me get a handle on some of the
trauma I was going through. Sometimes a few years, two years, three
years would go by and I wouldn't have any contact. I would have dreams,
but I didn't have the contact. So, you know, I was
going about my life. I was leaving the theater to go into ministry,
which is something I had always wanted to do since I was a child.
I didn't know it. I didn't know how to say I wanted to be
a priest or a minister, but I wound up leaving show business to do
that. So you know, I was leading a you know, I was
having these experiences. I had a little support group. I started writing my
books and they started to be well received. I started to be asked to
speak on certain TV shows, being invited to conferences, that type of thing.
But at the same time, you know, I almost lost my job
once as a minister because someone saw me on a TV show and was very
upset that my minister was talking about little green men was the phrase she used,
and she actually went to the board of trustees, and she tried to
get me fired, and luckily for me, fortunately they said he's not forcing
his down our throats. He doesn't preach this from the pulpit, and we
don't see a reason why he needs to lose his job over this, and
so I was very fortunate. So on July fourth, twenty thirteen, that
was a significant year leading up to that, but I was going through a
rough patch in my life. I was getting divorced my biological dad, who
did not raise me. I met him later on in life, but when
we became very close, he died, and I was getting fired from my
job as I worked as a hospital chaplain. One of the things that came
out of these experiences was I became an energy healer reiki, and I always
felt that they kind of nudged me towards that, and I still have clients
today and I still use it. So in twenty thirteen, these things were
going on, and what had happened was I had developed a blood clot and
it was from my right ankle up to my growing area. It was pretty
big and painful. I never had a blood clot before, so I really
didn't know what it was. I thought maybe I pulled a muscle or something,
and it was extremely painful. And my ex wife, my first wife,
said, you know, you need to get that look at. You're
not supposed to be in that kind of pain for three four days at a
time. So I finally listened to her and I did. And they told
me I had a blood clot and they were giving me something called kuminin wayfir
and blood thinner, and I had to inject myself with this blood thinner in
my stomach to you know, to kind of get the to go down.
I have a lot of friends who fought in Vietnam. I was too young
to fight in Vietnam. The war was over in April of seventy five.
I was just graduating high school in seventy five. But I had a lot
of friends who fought, and they liked me. They for some reason,
I was drawing Vietnam vets to me for some reason, and they would tell
me. Some of them would talk about it. Some of them wouldn't,
but a lot of them did, and they would confide in me. I
could not have survived what they had to go through. I don't think I
could have. But one day they were telling me about what it was like
to be on patrol, to be in the base camp, and you know,
you slept in your fox hole. Sometimes there was incoming fire and outgoing
artillery. Sometimes there's water in the hole, but you had to adapt to
that and you had to sleep. And you know, even through the artillery,
that kind of stuff. It was. It just seemed horrific. On
July fourth, twenty thirteen, we had a terrible, terrible thunderstorm here and
there's usually fireworks in America on July fourth, Independence Day. I do not
like fireworks. I never liked fireworks. But at that time, I was
going through a divorce and we were trying to make it see if we could
hold on. And I have a daughter, she's eighteen now, and so
you know, even though we weren't living together, we were trying to see
if we were going to get back together. So we would do things together.
Obviously there's a family, so I would go to the fire works with
them on the fourth of July. You know, it was, you know,
I'm trying to make nice. I don't want my marriage to break up,
and you know, so we did things this particular night. The first
of all, I was just so grateful that they canceled it. And the
thunderstorms, the thunder and lightning was so intense. I couldn't go to sleep.
So I'm lying in bed. I've got the blood clot going on.
It's still not shrinking. And again I don't know whether I sent somebody in
my room or what, but I turn around and this person is in my
room. A Nordic person has on a grayish robe with a not a hoodie
cowl. They call it a rope belt, at least seven feet tall,
because his head was almost hitting my ceiling. Very muscular. You could see
his physique underneath the robe. You could see the pectoral muscles. You could
see this guy was ripped. I'm just staring with my mouth open, and
he takes his hand, his right hand, he lifts it up like this,
and a green light comes out and hits me in my stomach. Because
at this time I'm up on my belt. I see it hit me,
but I don't feel it. And then he just dissolves. He just his
molecules just disperse. So I look down at my legs. Actually I'm looking
at my stomach, and I see that my leg both my legs are the
same size both of them. My right leg is no longer swollen. I
mean my leg was swollen, man, I mean it was huge compared to
my left leg. And I called a friend of mine who lived in California.
You may know him or heard of him. His name is Preston Dennett.
He's written several books. He's a prolific writer, and he's written two
books on people who have been healed from UFO encounters. I'm in his second
edition from the story I'm telling you now. I called Preston at about ten
of nine point fifty my time Eastern Standard time. He was living in California,
so it's about ten of seven his time, but he didn't pick up.
I was probably out, and so later on I told him what happened.
But then I called my ex and you know, the next day I
go over there and both her and my daughter. It was almost choreographed.
They gassed. They were like, your leg is healed, and it was.
And I had to go to the doctor right because every week or ten
days, you know, they stick you and take your blood. You know,
they check you. I guess to see what's going on with the blood,
with the blood clot But they would stick a pin and I had to
go like every week. Every week I had to go. So of course
I'm not going to tell them what happened to me because they would lock me
up. You see what I'm saying. So they kept asking me. They
wouldn't let up. I kept saying, maybe the medicine's working. I don't
know. I don't know what happened, but but you know it's gone.
I've been taking the medicine, yes, just like you asked me to.
I've been and fine. I said, look, I don't know what happened.
You don't know what happened, but can't we just be happy that I'm
better? Can't we just be happy that the blood clot is gone and we
can just chalk it up. That put them back on their heels a bit,
and they said, of course, mister Carter, of course, of
course, of course, you know we want you to be better, but
we just we want how did this happen? You were just here last week
and your leg was swollen like a balloon. So anyway, we got through
that, and I got them to take me off of the medication. The
rest, as they say, is history. In twenty nineteen, I went
to speak at a UFO conference in Knoxville, Tennessee. It's about a two
hour drive from where I live now, and it was memorable for the story
I'm getting ready to tell you, but it was also memorable because I got
a standing ovation and I was so surprised, and I was like, wow,
I find that as an experiencer, and because my expertise is religion,
people are hungry for this, because people are trying to find out can I
still believe what I believe and still believe in UFOs or that we live in
a populated universe. Of course, I say, of course you can.
But you know, when I start talking about the Bible and other texts and
this phenomenon, you can hear pin drop. And here in the States there
are not many ministers talking about it, and there are various reasons for that.
So I'm in Knoxville and I get you know, you're meeting people,
you're signing boots, you're meeting people, giving up business cards and that kind
of thing. And I met a woman there who became we became fast friends
her and some other people, and she was introducing me to people, telling
people, but you should buy his book, and so you know, we
became friends, and we said we'll stay in touch with each other. And
so when I got back home, you know, down off the high of
a wonderful conference. Later that week, this woman gave me a call and
she said, how are you, Michael, And I said I'm fine.
She said, you know, I was telling some friends about you and what
a lovely person you are and YadA, YadA, YadA, And she said
I told them about your books. But I have a friend who has a
message for you. And I said, sure, okay. She said she's
a lawyer, but she's also a psychic and I remember saying, boy,
that's using both hemispheres of your brain. And she said, can she give
you a message? And I said sure, And she said I can give
her your number, or you can talk to her right now. She's right
here with me, and I said, put her on, So she says,
she gets on. We exchanged pleasant and she says, look, you
don't know me, and I understand that, but she says, I don't
know how to explain this to you. But she said, have you ever
seen a praying mantis being? And I said no, only in books.
She said, you've never seen one in person? I said no, I
haven't. She said, well, I see them around you, and I
just had to tell you that. She said, I think in about three
days you're going to see one. And I said, wow, really and
she said yeah. And I said okay, it's okay. And she said
all right, and I said I'll be in touch. So the next night,
Nick, the next day, you know, you go about my day.
I come home, but I notice, you know, it's just a
weirder energy in my house. I don't know how to put it any other
way. I would walk and you know, the apartment, get a glass
of water, whatever, and you know, it just felt different. That's
all I can tell you. The second night, I go get something to
eat, I use the bathroom. I'm walking around and my hair is standing
on end, and I'm saying, now, wait a minute, wait a
minute, Michael, stop it. This is auto suggestion. There's nothing going
on now. Caveat. My brother was murdered in a robbery. Someone shot
my brother and killed him. He was robbed back in July of nineteen ninety
five, July fifteenth. My brother was a heavy smoker, and there were
times in my life in that apartment where I would smell cigarette smoke I'm not
a smoker, and I would just figure it was my brother. He's around
me, so, you know, I was trying to rationalize. The third
night, I come on and I'm feeling a presence in this apartment and I'm
starting to get chills when I walk around the apartment. So I'm like,
now, look, Michael, let's let's calm down here. And I just
I lay down on my bed. I lay down on my bed, on
my back, and I closed my eyes just I could just say, let's
just get a grip here, and I feel my bed, the mattress go
down, and this person is looking me in the face. I thought I
was going to go to the bathroom on myself, and I mean so close
to my face it was yeah, and then just vanished, just like that,
Just like that. I called Tanya and I said, please tell your
friend the next day that she was correct, thank her for me. And
that was that. My first book is called Alien Scriptures Extraterrestrials in the Holy
Bible. This was my first book. It started out as my master's thesis.
I went to Union Theological Seminary in New York City, one of the
top seminaries in the country. I got a really good education there, and
I decided I was going to write my thesis, my master's thesis on this,
and surprisingly so they said fine. I thought they would say, young
man, you will graduate from here writing trite like this, but they were
more than supportive. As a matter of fact, two of my professors wanted
me to stay on for a PhD in systematic theology, which I politely refused,
even though I was flattered, because I didn't want to be the age
I am now still off my education and I wrote that book, which I
have here Alien Scriptures that you can get it on Amazon. I know it's
shameless promotion. The second book I wrote is called a New World if you
can take it, God, Extraterrestrials, and the Evolution of Human Consciousness.
They're both Biblically based, but this one I go into some of the Catholic
figures of old and Protestant who argued that we lived in a populated universe in
antiquity. And then I didn't want to be known as the UFO minister.
You know, I have other interests in that kind of thing, and so
I wrote a meditation manual called God Consciousness. I should have put God in
quotations. It's a thirty day journey to achieve God centered thinking. And it's
a meditation manual with something to meditate on every day, from religion, from
psychology, from atheists, just people who were very wise or had a deeper
interior life. And so I wrote that, and then I wrote a book
on the metaphysics of spiritual healing and affirmative prayer, because obviously I'm a healer
and I was into that and prayer. I'm a big believer in prayer.
And then I wrote a book called Initiation, The Spiritual Transformation of the Experience.
This is a book for people who are experiencers. It's a book,
it's a handbook. It's a book for people whose loved ones may be experiencers,
or you may know someone who thinks they're having these experiences. And it
gives you a history of it. It gives you clues as to if you're
really having these experiences or not. And it talks about the transformation that can
occur. Not for everybody, but for many people who have had these experiences,
their life has changed. I'm one of them. I'm for the better,
and they cultivated a deeper inner life. An interior life, and that's
my definition of spirituality. So this is for people who are experiencers or who
have loved ones who are. And this book just came out in December.
It's a collection of sermons. It's called Enlightenment. It's in hardcover. It's
my first hardcover. The other books are soft covers. You can get this
as soft cover, hardcover, and as an e book. And it's a
collection of sermons on philosophy, on religion, on holidays, on social justice.
So those are my works and I'm very proud of that. That's pretty
much all I can tell you for right now. I do continue to do
Ancient Aliens. I just finished shooting two episodes about a month and a half
ago, so they'll probably air soon. One episode is called The Chosen.
The other episode is called The Teachers. There's a new show coming up next
month. I had to sign a non disclosure agreement, so I can't really
get into it except to say that it's a show that will be on the
Discovery Channel here in the States. So that's been keeping me busy. I
got a daughter in who's going to college in a few months. I'm very
proud of that. And you know, life has been kind and I'm a
very fortunate person, and I want to thank you for having me on the
show. I want to thank for taking the time out of their busy lives
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Wonderful, sir. You have been busy. I have, and I
try to. I tried not to be too busy, but you know what
I mean, I try to. How can I say? I try to
have a good work life balance, a healthy work life balance. So I
got some playtime coming up. My wife and I. Maybe this summer we'll
go to the beach, maybe do some traveling. As I said, my
daughter will be going to college soon, so she'll be off living her life.
So yeah, now, yeah, you have written several books, to
those who were trying to get pens to write down the names real books.
They're available on Amazon, Amazon dot Com and Barnes and Nobles, but mostly
Amazon. As I said the first one, if you type Reverend Michael J.
As Carter in they will come up. The first book is Alien Scriptures,
Extraterrestrials and the Holy Bible. The second book is called A New World
If you can take it. The subtitles long God, Extraterrestrials, and the
Evolution of Human Consciousness. But if you just put in a New World,
if you can take it. The third book I had written, it's called
God Consciousness, a thirty Day Journey to achieve God Centered Thinking. It's a
month long handbook of daily spiritual practices and reflections. The fourth book I had
written is called The Metaphysics of Spiritual Healing and the Power of Affirmative What I
mean by affirmative prayer is not looking at creation, not looking at the universe
or multiverse. Now as a giant daddy, Dear God, please give me
this, Dear God, please give me that. But by affirming what you
want, affirming that what all that you need is already there, it will
be provided it's an affirmation, and so I talk about using that technique in
your prayer life. This book is called Initiation, The Spiritual Transformation of the
Experiencer. And my latest book is called Enlightenment. It's a collection of sermons
on social justice, philosophy, religion, spirituality, holidays, the meaning of
holidays, those types of things wonderful. They're on my list now to our
listeners. I'll make all links of available in the description to all those that
are walking dogs, driving in their car, so you can revisit and check
out some of these fine books. Now, your experiences have happened over several
years, just in the very beginning. Were you confused? Were you scared?
Did you really understand what was going on? No? I didn't all
of the above. I was. I didn't you know. I was a
wreck. I wasn't sleeping at night. I was hyper vigilant. I was
afraid to go to bed at night to turn the light out. I still
have a little bit of that now, not a lot, but a little.
And until I got that support group, until I got that support group,
and until I got regressed, that's when I started to settle in a
little more, and I had people who were having the same experiences. Now
some people at that time in New York, there were two camps. There
was the John Mack camp that these experiences, these experience says and experiencers,
that that there could be a spiritual transformation. And then there was my good
friend Bud, the late Bud Hopkins. He ran a group, but most
of the people in his group did not view this in any kind of way
that we would call positive. Some of them had had horrific experiences, sperm
taken or ovum removed, anal probes, those types of things. And so
we had these two camps. One camp saying that it's all bad, that
their demons that they're you know, and then there was the camp I was
in, and there were we weren't saying that, you know, they all
wanted to sing, you know, John Lennon's imagine with us or Kumbaya,
but we were saying that we had a different experience and that was just as
valid. And so you were even one of those two camps. And that's
that's what was going on with me at the time. Right after the story
I told you about the being being in my bedroom, I remember talking to
if you well, the same friend Donna Cunningham, who has since crossed over.
She's she died several years ago. She said to me, Michael,
I believe you, and I when you I want you to go down to
the village. The next time you're down in the East Village. She told
me these walk to down eighth Street, eighth Street, eighth Avenue to fourth
Street. Sorry in the East Village in New York City. She said,
you're going to see a mural on a wall that someone painted. And she
said, I want you to tell me if the person you saw was there.
And I went down there and sure enough, whoever the artist was had
painted pictures of gray extraterrestrials on a wall down there. So that helped me.
That helped me believe, you know that I wasn't crazy, but I
was, you know, I was shaken, Yeah, very much, so
very much. So. On the other hand, it got me thinking that
if this being visited me in nineteen eighty nine CE, then they probably were
here in nineteen eighty nine BCE and beyond that. And so that got me
on my quest about what are the religious implications these beings? If we're not
alone and we're not and these beings could they be in our myths, could
they be in our religious texts? And sure enough they were. So they
started me on that journey. And the other thing that I felt was even
more important, or at least as important outside of that incident about the needle
back here these people have never hurt me ever, And it was just the
bizarreness of the way they looked, even the Nordic person who was more humanoid,
and just that they could just pop up, they could just ping themselves
into my room. But other than that, if anything, my life had
gotten better. Why you ask, I'm glad you asked how well, initially
my intuitive apparatus I was very very It just shot off the charts. I
became much, much, much, much more intuitive. I can't explain it
any other way than to say I felt more intelligent for some reason. My
skin, my hair, and nails grew really fast, really fast. I
could get by or less sleep. So these are more physiological changes. But
the only way I can say it is I felt more love. I felt
that I was able to give more love and receive more love. I felt
that my heart, for lack of a better word, was more open.
I was more willing to be vulnerable. I was more willing to say I'm
sorry, I'm scared, I love you. I became much more authentic now,
I want to be clear, I was working towards this. I had
a meditation life. I was in therapy for some family history stuff at the
time, so I was already on a path. These experiences expedited that kind
of grows and so those were the gifts that I got from from these experiences
before December of nineteen eighty nine. Do you recall any other incidents that possibly
would have occurred in your childhood? Yeah, I do. When I was
younger, much younger, I could see auras around everything, around people,
around inanimate objects. I used to see these orbs in my room. Looking
back now, they were like the colors of the shock, where some of
them were blue, they were green. I'd be in my room and they'd
be just floating in front of me, and they looked like doughnuts. They
would be a circle with a little tiny hole in between, a pink,
a little like a pink, like a pin in between, and they would
just float and I could see the three dimensionality of empty space. But I
thought everybody could so, and you know, I wasn't like, oh wow,
I just thought that this was very natural. I used to have nosebleeds
a lot, but I didn't realize there were nosebleeds. There were times when
I would wake up with blood on my pillow, and I thought at the
time that maybe my ear was bleeding, but I saw no blo you know,
no residue or blood or whatever. And then one day I realized it
was my nose. But and then when I got older, some people say,
well, maybe you had an implant, maybe they put something in,
you know, to track you. But I don't know if that's true.
But those were things. If I'm on a beach, and if someone has
darker skin, a tan, or they may be a person of color,
if I stare at them long enough, I can see the skeleton beneath the
skin. I have that kind of vision. So already, you know you
were a very spiritual person when you were ordained as a minister. Did this
happen prior to your experiences or after it was happening during the time I was
in seminary. Do you think these experiences put you on this path? Yes,
I was an actor, you know, and I, you know,
wanted to be a working actor, a movie star, I guess, a
Broadway person. I mean, it wasn't conscious. I got to be a
star, but that's that was my chosen profession, and I wanted to work
regularly. So that's where that's the path I was on. But before this,
before the experiences, I was disillusioned. I found the theater to be
a very self absorbed occupation. And that's not a critique, it's just an
observation. I'm not, you know, saying that it was wrong. And
so I just wasn't fulfilled. I wanted to serve. I wanted to be
of service and as an actor. You know, not unless you're one of
the two or three percent who are really working and making a living at any
given time. I mean, show business is the only business I know where
there is a ninety eight percent unemployment ninety seven at all times. I just
said, do you want to do this the rest of your life? Do
you want to always have to audition to get a show? You know,
because when one show opens, it closes and then you're looking for work again.
Not unless you're one of the fortunate ones. You get a series,
you get a movie where you get some soap out, you know, you
get a steady gig, and I just said, no, this is not
what I want to do. And so these things kind of influenced me.
But I always had free will. You know, I could have said I
don't want to. You know. It wasn't like they forced me or anything.
But I think they were probably saying, you know, this is not
all you can have out of your life, you know, And so I
changed. I changed. But when I was a kid, nick I didn't
know how to articulate it, but I wanted to be a priest. You
know. I loved religion, not for what it is, but what it
could be. But it was probably meant to be. I love churches,
I love mosques, I love going to temples. I loved it and I'm
at home. And when they showed me, for instance, that past life,
it gave me a clue to how comfortable I was because I'd done it
before. You know, they showed me me as a monk. So so
I've been religion was a part of my other lives. So that kind of
affirmed that I was on the right path. And when it comes to religion
and the church, we know what the public opinion is within the Church of
all this, what is the private opinion. Do you have other ministers that
come to you and you know that are as open as you are? No,
No, I don't, but I know they're out there, and I
know why they don't speak up, like a certain things with academics. You
know, everything you've worked for, you throw away, and you've got to
decide for yourself how far you can go because your credibility will be doubted and
you could split your church. Let's say I started preaching this from my church.
In my church, some people would agree, some people wouldn't. So
now I've split my church. I've caused a split. Why do that?
And you know, I'm just fortunate because I don't have a pope or bishop.
You know, I'm a Unitarian Universalist. We don't have that kind of
hierarchy. So I'm fortunate that way. But to come out and say this,
it's still a taboo topic and you can ruin your career. So I
remind myself of that. So I don't get to judge, and I don't
think there's a great conspiracy. But you know, if you got ten years
somewhere as a professor, if you're a high ranking church official and don't even
have to be high ranking. You can just be an everyday preest or minister
in whatever denomination your in. You have to decide how far can I stretch
without losing my credibility or losing my congregation, and each one of us has
to decide that. But really you are breaking boundaries because you're showing two sides
basically, because when it comes to church, you know, they've been very
close minded, and you know, you're a very spiritually were very open minded.
And I've had several guests on here that come from very professional backgrounds that
remain completely anonymous because they don't want to affect their career in any way,
you know, which is understandable, but they still feel a need to share,
you know, they still feel the need to come out and say,
you know a lot of stuff I don't understand, but this is what happened
to me. Yes, yes, And they have people like you to give
them a forum. Nothing is more healing. I think that's maybe that's why
alcoholics and anormous the twelve Steps are so powerful. Nothing is more healing,
the not to be judged, to be listened to. You know, I
don't have to agree with everything someone says, but it's nothing more healing than
to look in someone's face and they look in your face and they're not judging
you, and you can let down your guard and share. That in itself
is healing. How many times I can't tell you how many times I've had
people come to me for pastoral care, not necessarily about this, but sometimes
about this, but just maybe something going on in their lives. And I
will listen and they will talk, and at the end of the session,
I may not have even have said ten words, and they'll say, Wow,
you know, I feel so much better. I feel so much better,
Thank you, Thank you for listening to me. Listening is healing one
hundred percent. Not only is this liberating for they that you know you can
come on and share, but also the listeners. The listeners which people which
are going through very similar experiences. They're confused. Sometimes it's their first time,
they don't know nothing about the subject, and they come across this podcast.
They hear the guests speaking and it helps them. It helps them to
understand a little bit. You know, we don't have all the answers,
but helps them to understand what they're going through, what they can do,
how they can make things that the wit better, they can understand a little
more. So it's important that you know people come forward. Yes, so
you know, we thank you for that, sir. Well, thank you
for giving me the opportunity to keep doing what you're doing because it's really helping
people. I'm sure you know that. And I thank you for having me
on your show. We wish you all the best. We want to see
you more on TV. You know, we've got listeners that watch ancient aliens
religiously, so we hope that continues. And it's still in the public eye.
And I will put all your links in a description and you may even
get a few new members of the congregation in North Carolina. But but don't
expect him to be talking about UFOs on the pool pit. Yes, yes,
I actually had some a couple people come one time hearing podcasts and seeing
the shows, and they were kind of disappointed. They happen to be vacationing,
and I said, no, we're not a UFO church. But I'm
so happy that you came by. Anyway. I'm wishing you all good things,
my friend, and same to you, Reverend Michael J. Carter.
I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners anytime, anytime,
keeping contact all right and I will speak you and enjoy the rest of your
evening. Please, thank you, brother, take care, take care for
now. Bye overyone. That is all for this episode. Keep updated and
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thank you to the Reverend Michael J. Carter for sharing tonight, and thank
you all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,