1 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,160 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Joshinsky, 2 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,480 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:28,679 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:33,439 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts as well. Today I'm 5 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,280 joined by Jen Nizza. She is the author of From Psychic to Saved. 6 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,280 She's the host of the podcast X Psychic Saved. You can find out all 7 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:48,359 kinds of information about Jen all of her books the podcast link at x X 8 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:52,960 Psychicsaved dot com. Jen, thank you so much for joining the show. 9 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:57,039 Hi, Emily, thank you for having me. Now you've written two books 10 00:00:57,079 --> 00:01:00,159 I mentioned from Psychic to Save. There's a second one as well. Can 11 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,200 you tell us the title of that one? Sure? It's Out of the 12 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,599 New Age and Into the Truth. Excellent. Out of the New Age Into 13 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,760 the Truth. A lot of these topics you explore on your podcast Psychic Saved. 14 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:15,159 Don't want to get into that, but maybe it's best to start with 15 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:19,120 some background on you, your story, How you are the ex psychic who 16 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:23,480 is saved? How you went from psychic to Save? Tell us a little 17 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:26,079 bit about that, Jen sure, and I really want to thank you again 18 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:33,760 for the opportunity to have this conversation. Because our culture is plagued by witchcraft. 19 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,640 Psychic mediumship is included in that, so one I want to address that 20 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,640 one can be an ex psychic. Some people are like, hey, what 21 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,079 do you mean you really weren't a medium, then you really didn't have a 22 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:48,439 gift. Well, to start, it's not a gift, but I too 23 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,799 believed that deception that it was a gift from God. To give you a 24 00:01:53,799 --> 00:02:00,359 little bit of my background, I started as a child having dreams that would 25 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:05,799 come true. Nothing pivotal, nothing profound, just little things that would end 26 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:10,879 up happening. And it really for me began, I say, when I 27 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,439 got my first tarot card reading when I was thirteen years old. And I 28 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,240 just want to say that I had no relationship with Christ. I didn't know 29 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:27,520 Christ. I was raised culturally Catholic, and that simply means that I didn't 30 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,159 hold to any sort of religion, if you will. It was more about 31 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:38,000 the food and the family, and you know, we only went to church 32 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,759 once in a while, so I was raised that way. So I didn't 33 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:44,759 have the defense of Christ. I didn't have the Shield of Christ. And 34 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,479 I had that tarot card reading when I was thirteen, and it blew my 35 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,280 mind. I was so intrigued by it. And I'm not afraid to say 36 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:54,400 that, because I think that most people, this is the problem, get 37 00:02:54,479 --> 00:03:00,240 so intrigued by the supernatural. And that's exactly what it is, or the 38 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:06,599 paranormal. And after I had that tarot card reading, I started pursuing more 39 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:10,319 divination, and that's what that is. I got my own tarot cards. 40 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:17,080 I went on to pursue numerology, astrology, not myself becoming an expert in 41 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:24,960 those topics, but pursuing them to attain information for myself about my future insights 42 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,159 on decision, so on and so forth. The further I went down the 43 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:38,000 road, the further I went down the rabbit hole of destruction. I got 44 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,280 coffee grind readings. I oh, gosh, you name it. I was 45 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:46,879 doing it. And I started doing automatic writings, which is channeling. I 46 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:52,560 did it on paper in a notebook. Some people they will automatic write, 47 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,520 just like the creator of the aneotypes for the Enneagram, he used automatic writing 48 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,960 books. Whatever doorans, angel cards, the little books that come with tarot 49 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:08,960 cards, that's all automatic writing it's being channeled AnyWho. So I went on 50 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:16,040 this way for years and parallel to that, and this is important to say, 51 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,720 Yes, I had happy moments in my life. I was content with 52 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:25,519 my readings. I wasn't looking for a change in my life or anything like 53 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:30,519 that. But there was destruction, just as there will be with any sort 54 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:33,959 of demonic door that you walk through. So though people see the mediums on 55 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,360 TV, the mediums on TikTok, the mediums on YouTube and Instagram, the 56 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:43,720 witchcraft being glamorized, please know that you're not going home with them. You're 57 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:47,800 not going behind the closed doors. This is not something that's going to lead 58 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:54,519 to a joyous, peaceful, fulfillment or blessed life. So at the same 59 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,639 time, there will be the symptoms of demonic oppression. And let me tell 60 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:03,600 you I had them. Anxieties, you know, confusions, doubts. Constantly 61 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:09,360 seeking the New Age is a hamster wheel because you truly are seeking for that 62 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,519 fulfillment. You're constantly looking for wisdom, You're looking for all the things that 63 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:19,759 God alone can give you. You're going to the wrong team, You're going 64 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:27,399 to the wrong forces. Right. So this went on for quite a few 65 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,879 years and it escalated and I started getting touched by demons, and I started 66 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:41,079 hearing more and more from demons, because that's who's providing the information through the 67 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,040 readings. So just as where I would get readings, I was also giving 68 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:49,720 readings a lot. And it got to the point where I had this dream 69 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,040 and I, you know, actually, let me just say that in I 70 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,439 believe that in the dream state, if you will, your Vonlne your bolt. 71 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:06,439 Spiritually, you're not conscious, right, so you you don't have that 72 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,759 guard up if you will, And I really do believe that the enemy can 73 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,480 attack you in your dreams because I've had psychic attacks and dreams since I'm twelve. 74 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:17,519 I mean, now, thank god, you know it's not chronic, 75 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,360 but I've had them. So I had this dream and it was this young 76 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:27,319 man who well, it looked like this young man who had been this who 77 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:30,920 had died, and I saw how he died, I saw what he looked 78 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:38,920 like. I saw his age, and I saw my ex boyfriend who was 79 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:43,319 I saw him in the dream, and I saw his girlfriend. Now I 80 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:46,480 don't I had never met his girlfriend. I didn't know what she looked like. 81 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,839 I just knew that it was a girlfriend and huh, just knew all 82 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:55,759 psychic. It's awful. So I was able to get this out to him. 83 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,639 I was like, you know, I don't this is crazy. I 84 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,560 had this dream and so you see, I'm just like everybody else, like 85 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,800 this is crazy, Like what's happening? You know? I had this stream 86 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:05,800 and bah blah blah. And I tell him and he goes back and he 87 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,680 tells his girlfriend. Comes back the next week and he's we have a daughter 88 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:13,759 together. That's why he was coming back, just so you know how he 89 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,480 was helpful, Like why is he Yeah, he's my daughter's father. So 90 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,120 he came back the next week to visit my daughter and he's like, listen, 91 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,839 I spoke to my girlfriend about this, and that's her brother's friend. 92 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,720 He died that way. That's what he looked like. That's how old he 93 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,079 was. What's his name? So he's asking me kind of like a parlor 94 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:38,839 trick, but which was weird because I'm just as like what's going on as 95 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:41,519 he is. And he says, well, what's his name? And right 96 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,399 away those demons masquerading, those familiar spirits like his name is Michael. So 97 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:49,000 I told him and he hit like his jaw dropped my jew drop. He's 98 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,920 like, yeah, that's his name. So what was happening right? What 99 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,560 on earth was happening? So of course what do I do? I go 100 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,279 to the medium, the medium that I used that I would go to, 101 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,279 uh for the answers to this to find out what was going on. And 102 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,920 she's like, Jen, you're you know you're a medium. Uh. This 103 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:15,240 is a departed a departed loved one who's trying to get messages to their you 104 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:18,680 know, to their family and friends. And this is a gift from God. 105 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:22,519 Here's a business card of so and so. I'm not going to mention 106 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:26,120 names on here. So and so you need to call this woman up and 107 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,199 get into her divination. Well she didn't call it divination, but that's what 108 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,320 it is, a divination group. What did she call it? You know 109 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,600 classes? Uh, it's not psychic university. I always say it's not psychic 110 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,000 university. But these spiritual there are spiritual centers. This woman particularly was doing 111 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,519 in her home and she was very cute and sweet and all of that. 112 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,919 But it's a group of people that get together. She leads it leads you 113 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:56,759 through guided meditation smudging, which is burning stage with the idea that it will 114 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,320 protect you from anything possibly bad, you know, in the spiritual realm. 115 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,080 And now I know some ex new Agers don't even didn't even believe in the 116 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:11,320 devil or anything negative. Now she wasn't using the word devil, she wasn't 117 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:13,759 using the word demons. She was saying like negative spirits. Right. So 118 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:20,360 I come into this group, this lot of people just like me, except 119 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:26,240 different avenues that they were going down. Some people did like urror readings, 120 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,159 crystals, reiki, you know, all of these different New Age practices, 121 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,639 and I actually became exposed to things that I hadn't even like the smudging. 122 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:43,799 I hadn't known about that at that point. Now was ago. I'm getting 123 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,559 these tools of protection. This is great, this is what's happening, you 124 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,960 know. And of course they are false tools of protection, because demons are 125 00:09:50,960 --> 00:10:00,639 not afraid of sage or crystals. 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Because I tell you I went 152 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,919 from I never say zero, because I did and start as a zero. 153 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,159 I started at like, let's say, if you want to say, fifty 154 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:13,159 percent to a million percent of readings and constant demonic communication going through this group. 155 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,639 And that was when I kind of walk out of there with business cards 156 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:20,360 in my hands, sitting in Starbucks, sitting in my mom's basement doing these 157 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,960 readings. Because of course, the leader of the divination group, she said, 158 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,519 well, you know, you have to charge something jen for these readings 159 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:35,519 because this is an exchange of energy. So I'm like okay, and you 160 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:41,159 know, I had sleep paralysis. I saw a demon's manifest But my answer 161 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,360 to that was, Okay, light the candle, you know, burn more 162 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,000 stage. You know, what am I doing wrong? Here? Where's my 163 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,519 spirit guide when you need them? Right? And this went on for quite 164 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:58,399 some time, and I was doing readings and I was perfectly content. I 165 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,200 went on to lead my own DIVINATIONE group in my home and I was teaching 166 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,639 law of attraction, chakra balancing, Tarot cards. Not that I was an 167 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,519 expert on Tarot cards. I didn't need those cards. I just the information 168 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,919 would just get downloaded and I would just report it, you know, through 169 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:20,840 the readings I gave. But I had knowledge obviously of the you know cards 170 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,960 and angel cards and boy, you think of it a past life regression, 171 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:30,080 the automatic writing. So I was leading these people and I just I loved 172 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,639 it. I absolutely looked. I loved the group of people. I was 173 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,320 not looking for any sort of change in my life, for any sort of 174 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,000 new philosophy for you know. I wasn't like, hmm, let me check 175 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,159 out Christianity and try that on for size. Now. None of that happened. 176 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,720 That wasn't my That wasn't where I was when I was thirty six. 177 00:13:50,799 --> 00:14:00,399 At the very end of my thirty sixth year, I became so I was 178 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,159 so demonically oppressed. I mean, I tell you, they were just constantly 179 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:07,440 bothering me. And that's another thing. I just want to let people know 180 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:11,080 too, because I know what's out there. Please again, don't be fooled, 181 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:18,200 oh that these mediums have it all under control. They don't. They 182 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:20,840 don't. Oh, I can turn it off and I can do this. 183 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:24,440 Yeah, you can kind of check out for a little while. But if 184 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,799 they want to keep bothering you, they will. They are powerful. And 185 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,879 that's what was happening for me. And I had this moment. I just 186 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:39,320 couldn't take it, and I wasn't thinking about or contemplating, Okay, what 187 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,279 do I do? No, it was just like in a second, I 188 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:46,840 just called out to Jesus Christ. I called on his name, and I 189 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:50,399 had no idea why I did that, because I didn't know him. I 190 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,519 didn't know him, I didn't serve him. I didn't care about the Bible. 191 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,039 I never read the Bible. I didn't debunk the Bible. I didn't 192 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:03,960 care if you read the Bible. But I had no knowledge to do this 193 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:11,320 thing all Holy Spirit right there, and oh yeah, Holy Spirit. Of 194 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,759 course I can say that now looking back, right, But then I had 195 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,480 no idea what was going on. And I still hadn't heard the gospel. 196 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,759 I still didn't open the Bible, so I was very vulnerable. Still, 197 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,120 you know, I didn't realize, Hey, I'm a sinner, and Jesus 198 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,240 Christ died for those sins in full, and I need to put my faith 199 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:37,320 and trust in him. I didn't know that. I didn't know the good 200 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:43,679 news, right, So I go on, and now I'm kind of like, 201 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:46,000 I don't want to be a psychic anymore, but I don't know why. 202 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,679 Again, Holy Spirit, hallelujah, thank you God. But I didn't 203 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:56,279 know that. So I went back eventually, I did stop for a little 204 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:00,080 while, and I went back eventually to doing the readings. This is all 205 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:06,720 that I knew, and I was still being plagued by this demonic oppression and 206 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,480 communication. The devil definitely didn't want to lose me. I was doing his 207 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,960 work for many years and to my you know, to my regret, honestly, 208 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:21,080 of course, And this went on for about ten months. I went 209 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,399 back to the readings. And the cool thing about God is that once he 210 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,679 draws you because he's got to do the drawing. He's going to draw the 211 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:32,159 person. The Holy Spirit's going to draw the person to him. Right, 212 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:34,440 He's not going to He's not going to drop you. He's not going to 213 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:38,120 drop you. And ten months later, this friend of mine who I met 214 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:41,919 in the divination group and did readings for and all that she was coming over 215 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,639 for dinner. And I had no idea between then and the last time that 216 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,559 I had seen her that she actually had been saved. I had no idea 217 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,519 she was coming over for dinner. She comes over and she starts talking to 218 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:56,960 me about Jesus and this church she started attending. And I'm like, whoa, 219 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:02,000 that's cool. Good for you, you know, kind of like that, 220 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,920 like what I've heard people tell me so many times when I'm doing TikTok 221 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,759 lives. Hey, if it makes you happy, good for you. Yeah. 222 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:14,519 Okay. So so she invites me to church and I said, I 223 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,079 said no, I'm good, Thank you very much. Wow. One month 224 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,039 later, I woke up on a Sunday, and once again, the Holy 225 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:27,720 Spirit didn't know it then, was urging me to get up and go to 226 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:33,559 that church. Go to that church today. And of course, I'm just 227 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,680 hey, I want to go to that church today. I don't know why, 228 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,599 but I do. And I did, and they're singing and it's very 229 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,359 different than what I had ever gone to. You know, it was a 230 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,960 Bible based church. I had only been used to mass whenever I would go. 231 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,559 And these people have the hands up in there. That's cool to worship. 232 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,640 You know, they're worshiping Jesus. You know. The music's playing and 233 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:03,599 again, and I know, I I tear up almost every time I said, 234 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,960 you know, the lyric Jesus Saved Me was being sung, and I'm 235 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,160 singing with these people, and I sing that lyric, and it was in 236 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:17,640 a flash that I went back to that moment ten months prior when I cried 237 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,119 out to him, and it was just this confirmation that that was Jesus, 238 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:27,279 that he is the one that was there with me in that moment, the 239 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:33,400 one that gave me that peace when I cried out to him, the Son 240 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:40,480 of God, and I immediately believed in him, immediately, and it was 241 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:45,319 like my heart just got filled up with the Holy Spirit and I started crying 242 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,440 right there and then and I heard the gospel that day. I heard it 243 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,839 and I was free, and I went home and that's how I felt, 244 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,480 immediately free. And I went home from that church, which not even like 245 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,680 contemplating anything again. I know you said a word already and contemplating it again. 246 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,960 I went home and I looked up what does the Bible say about psychic 247 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:18,559 mediums? And when I saw the multiple verses God talking about this from the 248 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,440 beginning of the word to the end of the word, it was like open 249 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:26,599 Bible info dot com or something and all these verses, and I was like, 250 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:30,920 wow, oh my gosh, i have to quit my job. That's 251 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,880 it. I've got to quit my Like, this is what God's saying, 252 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:38,039 not to do it. It's detestable, it's an abomination, you know. 253 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,519 And he lists it. He Deuteronomy eighteen ten to twelve, though he lists 254 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,720 and in the ESV he uses the word medium. And I'm like, wow, 255 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:52,839 he's talking directly to me, which of course we know that is exactly 256 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:56,240 what he's doing through the Word of God. He's speaking to us, and 257 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:57,960 it's alive, and you can see it right then and there, right because 258 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,119 there it is a lot I'm current active and I said, okay, Lord, 259 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,079 I don't know what all this means. But I know you saved me. 260 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,119 I know you didn't have to. I know that had I died as 261 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,799 a psychic, I was going to hell. But you gave me this chance. 262 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,640 Whatever you say is what I'm doing. So I'm going to pick up 263 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,799 my cross and follow you. And I made an appointment with the senior pastor 264 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,920 of that church, and I quit my job as a psychic medium. And 265 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:33,680 that was almost ten years ago. This week, on the Word of the 266 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,440 Lord Indoors Forever, we are rolling right along in our adventures and acts with 267 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:45,640 almost persuaded Paul sails for Rome, a fateful decision, Paul's I told you 268 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:51,000 so, and approaching Land. Join me, Pastor will Weedon for the Word 269 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:56,319 of the Lord Indoors Forever. You're daily fifteen minute verse by verse Bible study 270 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,960 on demand listen at the Word indoors dot org or your favorite podcast provider, 271 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,759 Amen Praise Me to God. You know what's interesting to me about that is 272 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,759 you immediately assigned a sense of authority to God in your mind, and so 273 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:22,920 much of this happens in a secular context where there's actually another interesting thing in 274 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:30,680 your story is there's no framework of demonic oppression in the secular context of New 275 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:34,039 Age practices, like we don't think of these things. We don't think of 276 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:38,880 psychics and mediums as being touched by demons, and potentially you know, the 277 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:45,240 source of their power being demons being evil. But immediately you were able to 278 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:49,440 make that jump. And I wonder why you think that is that you felt 279 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:55,440 so convicted that this was the word of God, was real and true, 280 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,519 that what God was telling you had authority coming. You know, it's such 281 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:06,160 a stark contrast those two worlds, but you crossed over right away. It's 282 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,960 a complete one eighty. I always say repentance is the one eighty of a 283 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,279 lifetime. When you truly put your faith in trust in the Lord. The 284 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:19,799 Bible says in Ephesians one thirteen that the Holy Spirit will come to indwell your 285 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:26,039 heart. The Holy Spirit is the one that leads us to points to Christ 286 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,920 and leads us and guides us and gives us wisdom. Right. So with 287 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,039 the Holy Spirit, now he's the one who is saying, okay, first 288 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:40,799 order of business, jen got to get you away from the devil, from 289 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:44,359 serving the devil. Because the Bible also says you cannot drink from the cup 290 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,640 of the Lord and the cup of demons, right, So how could I 291 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:52,920 continue to be a psychic and serve God and walk with the Lord Jesus, 292 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,440 our Lord, couldn't I love how God is a god of order, and 293 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,559 that's the first order business that he had for me, which makes perfect sense. 294 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:11,400 I immediately obeyed the nudging and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. And 295 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,359 I just want to say, you're absolutely right what you mentioned in the New 296 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,359 Age. You're right. You don't look at it as demonic. You look 297 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:26,319 at it as light and love. We were light workers healers. Right, 298 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:34,599 you have a gift and it's it seems so beautiful and attractive and something that's 299 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,000 good for you, and it's and it's not. It's a it's a very 300 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:44,799 sinister, very nefarious, uh. Practice. These practices are nefarious, but 301 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:48,039 they're dressed up because Satan masquerades is an angel of light. You see, 302 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:52,000 the light worker. It's the false light. Jesus is the true light of 303 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:57,720 the world. Of course. So that was a long answer to your question, 304 00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:02,319 but the short answer is how did I succumb to the authority of Christ 305 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,000 immediately? Because I had Christ and that's and that's Holy Spirit right there. 306 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:14,400 Yeah, It's so interesting because did the I'm very curious as to how I 307 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:21,319 imagine it's something you still have to fight, the the attempted oppressions of you 308 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:29,519 know, the the same forces that were giving you information. You described it 309 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,480 as downloading, and I'd love to hear more about that too. What the 310 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:37,359 you know, the sort of process of receiving information that I imagine you still 311 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,880 believed to be true, that a lot of it was true information tricking you 312 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:48,000 in one direction or the other. How did that is that something you still 313 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,640 have to fight? Is that something that just sort of declined and frequency as 314 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,960 you started committing further and further to Christ. So interesting that you you asked 315 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,359 that, I'm actually writing my third book now and I am coming into this 316 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,079 chapter where it's like, hey, now I'm a Christian. I'm denouncing you 317 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:12,039 know, mediumship, the new Age, Hey, smooth sailing from here? 318 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,400 Not quite. I did get I did get a psychic attack a few weeks 319 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,319 after that, and I just want to say this real quick, No, 320 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,480 I don't need to go to a deliverance ministry. Thank you so much. 321 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:30,319 That's a quick pass on that I never had to, I never will, 322 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,720 and I don't believe that they're biblical. And that's not an attack on anybody 323 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,200 or anything. That's just where I stand. I got a psychic attack. 324 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,279 I was a baby Christian. That's not just why. But the devil didn't 325 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:45,960 want to lose a grip on me. He just didn't. So I can 326 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,440 count on one hand the amount of those I've had. Probably yeah, probably 327 00:25:51,440 --> 00:26:00,839 two or maybe three psychic attacks that way, because the spiritual bad is real 328 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,799 now in that regard. So that was, you know, regarding psychic attacks. 329 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,279 But there is a spiritual battle, and as Christians, we face that. 330 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,440 The Lord talks about it in his word. He gives us the armor 331 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,839 of God, he gives us the spiritual weapons. He talks about it in 332 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:26,079 Second Corinthians, you know, he talks about it in Ephesians. So if 333 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:30,440 there was no spiritual battle, we wouldn't need spiritual weapons. So we are 334 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,079 getting it. We will face these attacks and this oppression from the demons that 335 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,599 are trying to steal our peace, trying to keep us from sharing the gospel, 336 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:48,039 from sharing the truth, from exposing their tactics. But we have now 337 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,599 in Christ we have the defense. Remember in the beginning I said I was 338 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,559 christless. I had no defense. I was just out there, think about 339 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:59,119 you know, just being this prey, just out there, easy target. 340 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,559 But now I have Christ have a shield of faith, and it's something that 341 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:11,160 we have to be So we have to be so vigilant about reading all word 342 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:18,279 every day, you know, fasting when we need to fast, praying daily 343 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:27,720 and putting on that armor of God. This is Molly Hemingway encouraging you to 344 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:33,799 listen to my favorite podcast, Issues, et cetera. Every day you get 345 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,960 in depth interviews with host Todd Wilkin, asking expert guests substantive, thought provoking 346 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:44,480 questions on all of the important news and issues of our day. The expert 347 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,680 guests are in culture, law, ethics, philosophy, theology, and apologetics. 348 00:27:48,920 --> 00:28:00,599 Expert guests expansive topics, always extolling Christ issues, et cetera. Were 349 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,960 you you mentioned this a couple of times that you were you had anxiety, 350 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,759 but also that in a sense things were just things are kind of okay, 351 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:14,480 to the point where you weren't questioning, you know, really deeply, the 352 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:19,279 health the spiritual health of what you were doing. Were you happy or do 353 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:23,079 you look back down and say, I was you know, deeply unhappy? 354 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,160 I was miserable or were you actually you know, sort of able to exist, 355 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,920 uh, just fine, you know in terms of just that sort of 356 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,839 superficial measure of you know, being a person who can get up in the 357 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,000 morning, go about their business, go to sleep, and be okay, 358 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:42,839 and you know, the twentieth century. Mm hmm. That's a good I 359 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,799 love how you how you phrased that, especially in the beginning my spiritual health, 360 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,240 Yeah, I had. I had no idea how spiritually did I was 361 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,759 and how spiritually sick I was. I had happy moments, I had happy 362 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:03,839 days, but I was deeply unfulfilled. And when you're that unfulfilled, you're 363 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,400 going to keep seeking to fill whatever you feel that you're missing, right, 364 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,319 so you keep going down the wrong road. And for me it was of 365 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:17,279 course divination and the New Age and that community. For other people it might 366 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:23,240 be something else, whatever bondage they're in that that they keep looking to fill 367 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:29,039 that space in their hearts that God needs to be in. But I was. 368 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,480 It's so interesting, right, I had these I had these times of 369 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:40,799 anxieties of being weighed down. Also things going wrong, discord, you know, 370 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,720 relation, relational issues, all the things that are so common of the 371 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:52,440 flesh, and you know that would bring me down too, But I was 372 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,519 perfectly content, still doing my divination. Isn't it interesting the cause of my 373 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,160 problems not being saved. Not to say that you don't have problems when you 374 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,880 saved, you do. But I was signed up for it, you know 375 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,359 completely by what I was doing. I was dealing with demons on a regular 376 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:18,079 basis. And they really don't care about you. They don't love man and 377 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,519 they don't love God. They'll give you a little bit of what you think 378 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:26,759 you want, what you think you want, never anything that you truly need. 379 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,279 So even if you see somebody that looks like the happiest person and they're 380 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,079 a psychic or whatever, remember again, you don't know everything that's going on 381 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,960 with them, but number you know. But number two, they don't have 382 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,839 what they need. They're still seeking what they need, so they're getting these 383 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,880 temporary things. But what you really need is joy, not happiness. God 384 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:51,680 doesn't say anything about happiness. He doesn't promise us happiness. Happiness is nice, 385 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,440 it's an emotion, it's a fleeting emotion. But joy is when you 386 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:03,880 are. It doesn't depend upon your circumstances. Happiness does right because you're not 387 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,799 gonna be happy if you lose your job today? Are you not gonna be 388 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,319 happy? Right? But you can still have joy if you're in Christ. 389 00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,039 For me back then, let's say it was somebody who lost their job. 390 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,599 Not only are they unhappy, but they were coming to me to find out 391 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,240 when they would get the next job. Should I go down this road? 392 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,079 Should I go down that road? Or they're going to the astrologer and they're 393 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,799 getting a chart done. But you see, in Christ, you can walk 394 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:33,200 away and say, okay, God, you know what. I can still 395 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,680 rejoice today. I can smile today, and I trust that you, as 396 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,119 my good father, are going to provide. I'm going to pray about the 397 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,000 job that you put on my path. I'm going to pray for your leading, 398 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,000 for clarity, and you're entrusting it to the Lord. Wow. Is 399 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:55,240 that not a breath of fresh air or what? That's freedom? That's freedom. 400 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,960 See, people don't realize when you have to keep going to a psychic, 401 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,480 how are you ever going to rest? When you have to know inquiring 402 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,079 minds need to know, you might be too young to I think that was 403 00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:09,759 like readers, digest, don't vote me. It's like many years ago, 404 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,400 you know, and inquiring minds need to know. No, you don't. 405 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,480 You actually don't need to know. You need to trust in the one who 406 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:22,200 does, and the only one who does is God, because you want to 407 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:28,319 the devil and his minions they don't know everything. And that's a huge deception 408 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,559 of psychic mediumship. You're going and you're believing because yes, you are hearing 409 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,720 pieces of accurate information. Of course you are, because what these demons have 410 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:44,920 seen, they're reporting with one hundred percent accuracy what they've seen. What they 411 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,400 haven't seen the future. They are not omniscient, they are not omnipotent. 412 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:54,079 They cannot be everywhere at one time. They cannot know the future. They 413 00:32:54,119 --> 00:33:00,880 don't actually know the future. They're good guessers. They're demons, not human 414 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,000 beings. They're powerful, they're intelligent. They've been here for ages, they've 415 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,240 seen the patterns. They've been watching you, they've been watching your family. 416 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:12,039 And I'm not trying to be creepy right now. Please don't feel that way, 417 00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:15,039 because you really don't have to feel that way because they're on a leash. 418 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,119 You have to remember that too. You know, it's not the devil 419 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,880 versus God or these minions versus God. The demons. No, God is 420 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,160 still in control. They're on a short leash, but they're watching, they're 421 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:31,079 around, so they can guess with a great accuracy of some future events. 422 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:37,559 But again it's not going to be one hundred percent because they don't know for 423 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,079 sure. But now you're banking on this because you've heard a few pieces of 424 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:45,519 accurate information. Oh yeah, I was at Luigi's last week eating spaghetti and 425 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:47,839 me bulls and the meat poll fell on the floor and I yelled at the 426 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,880 weight. I don't know, and the psycha could report that to you, 427 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,799 because the demons sort they even see what you're doing when no one else is 428 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:59,640 around, And that's what really captivates people, those moments when nobody else was 429 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160 about you. Never could have known that about me. How could you have 430 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:07,480 possibly know known that I was in my room by myself. I went in 431 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,280 the closet and I freaked out because I'm grieving so badly. But then I 432 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,639 saw my mom's necklace on the floor, and now it's in my pocketbook. 433 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,000 And now the psychic like, say, you were in your room, you 434 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,239 were crying in the closet, you found mom's necklace and it's in your pocketbook 435 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,639 right now. And then this person, yeah, go ahead, oh, 436 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,840 go on, go on. Oh I was just going to say, and 437 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,360 then this person will be like, oh my god. That then that's got 438 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,800 to be Mom. She was watching me. She knows. And now when 439 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,320 are you ever going to want to lose that contact with quote unquote, I'm 440 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,360 doing air quotes. Mom, You're gonna have to keep going back to that 441 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,119 medium. You're getting further away from God. And now you're banking on the 442 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:58,320 future information that they're giving you predictions, because after all, that was true, 443 00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,760 so this next thing must be true, right, wrong, right, 444 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,360 right, of course. And you know, I can't think of a book 445 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,519 that like radically changed the way I look at the world quite as much as 446 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:14,519 screwtape letters. And as we're having this conversation, I'm thinking so much of 447 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:21,880 the way C. S. Lewis described the cleverness of demons in modern times, 448 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:28,480 to you know, sort of adapt to the new ways that technology and 449 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,679 everything has sort of allowed us to to see the world and to have maybe 450 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:37,599 this distance from from death, from that constant sort of looming presence of death, 451 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:43,239 and to you know, just just live very very different lives that are 452 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:50,039 are so detached from from God and important ways. And on that note, 453 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,880 that's that's what's kind of interesting, is you're describing what it was like to 454 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,159 hear from these these different bits of inform. I always think, as many 455 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:05,760 people probably do, of what was her name on Montel You know, you 456 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,960 turn the TV on at like three pm on a workday and Sylvia Brown, 457 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,880 I think was her name, would be on Montel and she was. I 458 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,679 believe she claimed to be Christian, And I know there are a lot of 459 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,559 psychics who claim to be Christian, And to me, it's like I'm trying 460 00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:27,559 to square that circle of how psychics who claim to be Christian square the circle 461 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,719 on their own. I know they say, as you mentioned earlier, that 462 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,760 they're getting they the angels and God himself as the source of this information. 463 00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:39,239 But ultimately that seems to me and this is when I'm curious to hear your 464 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:45,639 take on like a very clever ploy to drive people away from God's word and 465 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:51,199 to these sort of false hopes. You hit the nail on the head. 466 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,440 This is one thing that that rattles may people will even go but you know, 467 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:59,519 Christian psychic, Christian witch. Now I'm a Christian witch. No, 468 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:04,320 you're not. That's an oxymoron. You're not that because you can't be a 469 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,079 Christian and a psychic. You can't be a Christian in a witch. And 470 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:13,079 I don't mean to sound abrasive by any means, that's exactly what they're doing 471 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,280 because they have to come up against the Bible now, they have to go 472 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:22,480 based on the demonic communications that they're having under the guise, under the radar 473 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:27,800 of Christianity, which they've made into something that they wanted to be. It's 474 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,880 all of a sudden become very subjective, right, because they're not subscribing to 475 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,519 the God of the Bible, they're not subscribing to any real authority. They're 476 00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:38,239 doing what they want and they have to debunk the Bible in order to do 477 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,159 it. Well, you know, you know that the Bible was written by 478 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,760 man, and you know, God says to help people and I'm just helping 479 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,800 people, and they just twist it. They just completely twist it and they 480 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,559 de but and it gets people away because you know, you lead people away 481 00:37:55,559 --> 00:38:01,760 from God that way, of course, by continueing divination and you're leading people 482 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,880 away from God's word. They start, I mean, because I deal with 483 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400 this a lot on when I do lives. It's it's it's the trenches, 484 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:14,320 Emily TikTok, it's the trenches. But I have a lot of people come 485 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,320 on their witches and practicing psychics and stuff, and they'll tell me no, 486 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,239 no, no, you know, uh, that's just look here in the 487 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,960 Bible where it says, uh, you know, I can speak. They 488 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,079 kind of think they're prophits, and some of them think they're prophets, and 489 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,360 like you said, too right. They give this nice, beautiful idea of 490 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,599 angels and all the stuff. It's not even what real angels are with they 491 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,840 you know, Dorian Virtue, she made the angel cards and you know she 492 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,159 said that she did it because she didn't like the negativity of the tarot cards. 493 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:53,559 Uh. And and it gives us idea like this is holy, this 494 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:59,079 is godly, and it's a big it's a big I call it big dupe, 495 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,079 being duped by the evil one. They're being duped. I don't believe 496 00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,079 it's because they want to hurt people. I didn't want to hurt people. 497 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,960 I want to help people, and I think these people want to help people. 498 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,119 But they're so spiritually blind and they're so in the clutches of the devil, 499 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,280 and what is the devil's agenda? So and then you have to go 500 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,280 back to Ephesian six twelve, right, for we do not wrestle against flesh 501 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,960 and blood, but against the principalities, the authorities, the cosmic powers, 502 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,360 and the darkness and the heavenly places. 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That's Angel dot com Slash the Federalist after Death. The 540 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,599 End is only the Beginning, rated pg. Thirteen. Well, I'm thinking, 541 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:29,280 you know, this is the time of year when so many people and 542 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,199 I'm sure you experienced this probably when you were working as a medium. So 543 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,039 many people start to like indulge their intrigue in the supernatural, which I think 544 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:42,840 it's perfectly healthy to be intrigued by the supernatural, because we do have these 545 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,960 kind of like sanitized modern lives where we know we're missing something, we know 546 00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:53,519 we're looking for something deeper, something eternal and enduring. And in the fall 547 00:42:53,639 --> 00:43:00,239 and spooky season, you know, people really let themselves indulge and get some 548 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,559 of these questions asked and answered. It's amazing. And I don't know if 549 00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:10,440 you've sensed this, the intrigue in astrology, in smudging, in tarot cards. 550 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,280 I mean, we're seeing Ouiji boards back on the shelves, you know, 551 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:21,199 in target, and it seems like big numbers. It seems like these 552 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,559 days this is increasing, like the people are really allowing themselves, giving themselves 553 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:31,559 permission to start indulging in things like astrology at an even higher rate or mediums 554 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,599 or even higher rate. Like just on an episode of the Real Housewives of 555 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,000 Orange County. This may sound ridiculous, but they went and saw a shaman 556 00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:42,320 and some of them are very like they got baptized on the show. They're 557 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,880 very serious Christians. It just seems like this is becoming mainstream in a very 558 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,519 powerful way. Is there Do you have to be careful about sort of having 559 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:58,840 these conversations with people who are intrigued by what you did in your experience without 560 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,360 kind of also, you know, giving into something or allowing them to give 561 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,519 into something unhealthy. This this urge to just poke around at less than healthy, 562 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,159 evil sort of ideas. Uh yeah, I mean, you know, 563 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,719 it's interesting how you said these people were baptized on the show and then they 564 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,719 went to see the shaman, and we use the word Christian. And one, 565 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,320 I want to say that lots of people can call themselves Christian. It 566 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:30,159 may not be. But number two, some people really are Christians and are 567 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:36,400 just uneducated in this department, you know what I mean. And that I 568 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,760 have to say is because it's not being preached this way. We need to 569 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,280 go back to the church right and we say, come on, guys, 570 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:50,360 preach this part of the Bible. Teach teach your flock about divination, because 571 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,360 Emily, it is so prevalent, it's everywhere, boom, it's right in 572 00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:01,480 our faces, and it's so true, tricky, even with the full even 573 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,599 with the heretical churches. You know, the Word of faith and everything this 574 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:12,239 manifesting in there going on. You can speak things into existence. You know, 575 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,119 there's all kinds of things trickling into the church too, and people just 576 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:20,360 don't know. They don't realize that it's new age. You said, do 577 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,599 I have to be careful. You should always be careful when you're talking about 578 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:27,440 these things. But you have to be bold. You have to be bold, 579 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,519 and you have to expose it because people, and you do that because 580 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,159 you love them. People really don't know. But when they get involved with 581 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,840 these things, like those ladies you mentioned going to that chump, they're opening 582 00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:43,360 a door to the demonic. You also mentioned about this time of year and 583 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:49,199 the intrigue with the supernatural. Absolutely three million percent you're right, And that's 584 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,280 a big reason why I come up against one of the reasons why I come 585 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,159 up against Halloween. Of course, I don't believe that it's glorifying to God 586 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,000 in any way, and I also don't believe there's anything redeemable about it. 587 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,760 It worships the devil, creepy zombie, and you know, you have people 588 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,079 with their bobbing for apples and stuff. I get it, but that's just 589 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,920 one I don't touch with a ten foot poll like, just just I want 590 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,880 nothing to do with Halloween. I'm not doing candy whatever. But anyway, 591 00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:16,880 I digress. Oh that's I actually think that. It's like, you know, 592 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,440 obviously there have been debates in Christian circles about that forever. Oh yes, 593 00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,480 something a lot of people are thinking about these days. Oh yeah, 594 00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:28,719 definitely. And you met. And another thing is when you mentioned what we're 595 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:34,440 seeing out there, the Ouiji boards, the taro that is marketed so much 596 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,119 more at this time. No surprise there, no surprise there, right, 597 00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:43,400 Hey, come on, this is creepy time. Let's get let's access some 598 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,800 demons with the Ouigi board, no problem, let's put it on sweatshirts and 599 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:51,280 Altoid mint covers and cvs and home goods and everything. And hey, the 600 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,400 ghosts and the skulls in addition to that, we're seeing it. I believe 601 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:05,159 on a rise that is so rapid. It's so rapid, and you know, 602 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,840 the more they shove God out, the more this stuff comes in. 603 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,320 And like I said at the top, you know, the devil, all 604 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,199 he's got to do is make you think he doesn't exist, and then he 605 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:15,840 could put this stuff right, I think I said it. Anyway, put 606 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,039 this stuff right in your face, right, Well, there's no devil. 607 00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,440 What's the difference. Oh, this is just for fun, This is just 608 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:27,320 entertainment, this tarot card reading. Some of these people will even make these 609 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,559 little disclaimers. Hey, for entertainment purposes only. They're marketing. Luigi Board 610 00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:37,000 by Hasbro is a game, a game for children. You're seeing it. 611 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,559 Then you have these woke agenda movies coming out, you know, Barbie and 612 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:43,719 this, that and the other thing. So now we're going to put Barbie's 613 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,480 face on a Ouiji board. Hey, kids, come on down. It's 614 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,320 I tell you. I don't know whether to cry to stomp my feet. 615 00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:57,719 It breaks my heart. It literally breaks my heart. But it is and 616 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,760 social media is making it so glamorous, just like you said. So it 617 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,280 was on that show. What about the Kardashians, What about what about Vanessa 618 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,960 Hutchins? Right, what about Oh gosh, Netflix, You've got it all 619 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,440 over the place. Never mind the platforms. TikTok oh, I'm sorry, 620 00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:23,119 hashtag witch talk forgive me astrology you know astrology talk? Oh yeah, these 621 00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:27,159 are real. I'm not even being These are real hashtags on that and they 622 00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:32,199 got billions of views. This is a time that the people, you know, 623 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,719 people need God so badly. We've gone through so much as a nation, 624 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,320 we're going through so much as a nation, we're going through so much 625 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,440 in our culture, we're going to the children, we're going through so much. 626 00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:49,880 There's such a need. There's always going to be a need for God. 627 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,360 But the devil is using everything in his power, everything that he can 628 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,960 to have you go to him for those needs, and he'll never be able 629 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,280 to provide it, never be able to I was going to say that was 630 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,119 My next question was about these technologies because I know you're on TikTok and you're 631 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,559 sharing, you know, you're you're sort of confronting some of these trends and 632 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:17,000 memes head on on TikTok and on other social media platforms. A lot of 633 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,360 people have concerned about AI. I mean, obviously, all technology is an 634 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,480 extension of man, and man has fallen. So technology is not going to 635 00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:30,119 be, you know, portal to heaven, that's for sure. But what 636 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:36,280 should people be aware of that is sort of creeping into these platforms and into 637 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,039 our digital world. Well, you have to be aware of particularly these things 638 00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:45,559 that we're talking about, and maybe people didn't know prior to even listening to 639 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:51,599 this, but you want to be aware of the tarot card readers, the 640 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,599 people that believe that they are star seeds. They're from a different realm. 641 00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,559 Watch out for the idea that you're you're on God. Right. So if 642 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,320 I put some cinnamon out, I think there was a trend with that. 643 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,119 They Oh, put some cinnamon around your door or outside your door or something. 644 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,880 Somebody told me about this, and that will ward off bad energy. 645 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,440 Demons are not afraid of cinnamon. Okay, it's just not that's not real. 646 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,639 You know what else, oh gosh, all these things. Watch out 647 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:29,480 for people that say they're Christian intuitives, psychic advisors, or Christian advisors but 648 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,719 using tarot cards. Be aware of all those things going on, because I 649 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,679 have to tell you something. The devil will attack and his menus will attack. 650 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,639 They're prowling around. Let me just back up for a second. Right, 651 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,920 it's first Peter five eight. Be sober and alert, Be watchful because 652 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,800 your enemy, the devil, prows around, seeking to whom he may devour. 653 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,760 And I say this, think about what a prowler is. Remember you 654 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:59,400 know crime wise, a prowler is that person the prows around your house looking 655 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,519 for an entry. And when you're vulnerable and when you're weak, right, 656 00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,480 if you've got that window that was broken, they can get in. Right. 657 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,559 So when you're vulnerable, when you're weak, you're lonely, you're hopeless, 658 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:20,320 you're desperate, and you're flipping on TikTok and you're flipping through Instagram, 659 00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:22,880 there's going to be that's going to be where the enemy is going to try 660 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,639 and hit you. Okay, So what you need to know is that, 661 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,880 yes, you're going to go through these trials and things like that, but 662 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,599 when you see somebody that makes it look very appealing. I always say, 663 00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,679 it's kind of like Satan has this. He has this. It looks like 664 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,800 a present, right, and it's wrapped up in the tiffany wrapping really pretty 665 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,559 that teal and the white thing is so beautiful, and here take this. 666 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,920 This is a gift. Look it's it says holy, Look it says Christian, 667 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,760 it says healing, it says well, the inside of that box is 668 00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:00,559 filled with demons. Okay, it's a mess. It's a charade, that's 669 00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:05,960 what it is. It's a lie. So don't be fooled when you see 670 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:12,159 these people and these trends and they're offering you something outside of the Bible, 671 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,400 outside of God, and there has to be zero divination. Okay, can't 672 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,480 be the Bible plus psychics. Okay. You have to be very careful of 673 00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:23,559 all that stuff. The best thing to do, especially if you've been in 674 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,440 the New Age or you attempt it, is stay off of those things. 675 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,599 Unfortunately, they're there every other Oh gosh, there's so many. There's so 676 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,599 many of them. 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We always 701 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,599 have the Great Billy Hollowell on around this time of year too, to talk 702 00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:43,280 about things like beija boards and how easily people can get can open themselves up 703 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:49,679 to evil. What's your perspective on just and how quickly, how easily that 704 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,000 can happen, especially in a world where you're scrolling through TikTok and you know 705 00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:59,199 suddenly there's this cinnamon thing and you do it. There's just so much pressure 706 00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:04,039 from different parts of our culture to engage in some of this right. And 707 00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,760 it's the idea that it's innocent, it's not going against God. It's okay, 708 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,280 it's just a trend. It's just even when you're looking at your horoscope, 709 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:17,480 it's okay. It's not so a door opening or leaving the door open 710 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:22,719 to the devil, or is giving them an entrance, and that entrance by 711 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:28,960 something that you may find to be so innocuous, which isn't. Once they 712 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:34,639 enter, then you're going to see more oppression and you're going to have these 713 00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,440 demons around you, and of course you don't want to invite them into your 714 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:43,280 space. So you need to be very very careful not to open doors to 715 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:51,840 demons by watching these readings, certainly by practicing any form of divination, using 716 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,960 any divination tool. So educate on what the divination tools are. Test the 717 00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,679 spirits. You see this thing, cinnamon thing, I know we keep using 718 00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:04,360 that. Whatever it may be, you see it, go to God and 719 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,119 say, God, is this something that I should be doing or not? 720 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:13,400 And read the word. You're going to find the answer is no. But 721 00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,639 make sure that you know, make sure that you're aware. That's a whole 722 00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:20,440 big part of the putting on the armor of God. Right. Reading the 723 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,800 Word of God is going to prepare and train your spiritual eye to see what's 724 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,960 coming, to see the attack, to say, hey, listen, you 725 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:31,159 know what that that's divination. I'm not going to do that. I'm not 726 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,679 having any part in that. That's dangerous, that's demonically dangerous. A big 727 00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,719 one is yoga too, right, Yoga is opening a demonic door. You 728 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,199 think it's just stretching and breathing, but it's not. It's not. It's 729 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:50,000 idolatry. It's worshiping Hindu God's little g Those are their deities aka demons. 730 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,760 Unwise to do it, unwise to practice it. But something that seems so 731 00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:01,159 great and has been twisted three million times by people that you don't know the 732 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:06,320 truth and are blind to the truth. So just be very careful, be 733 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,679 very aware. And Billy's awesome, by the way, he's such a good 734 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,000 guy. Yes, and he actually his interview with you is what made me 735 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:21,000 want to flush some of this out because it's fascinating and so important. I 736 00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:23,679 mean, I think especially for women, especially for young women, it is 737 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:31,119 just pulling at us these days really hard. So the perspective from somebody who 738 00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:35,440 knows it inside and out, it has just been invaluable. Jen, thank 739 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,320 you, You're welcome, Emily. I really appreciate it. And if I 740 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:42,360 could say any one last thing, I would just love to say, come 741 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,559 to Christ today as you are. You don't have to get your ducks in 742 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:49,199 a row, you don't have to be perfect. Jesus saved me a woman 743 00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:52,679 who served the devil thirty well, I need serve him for thirty seven years, 744 00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,920 but for years of my life. And you can come to Jesus Christ 745 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,000 today as you are. He did all the work on the Cross for you. 746 00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,639 He paid the debt for our sin, and he reconciles us back to 747 00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:07,320 God. He's the only mediator between man and God, and you can come 748 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,039 to Him and be free today. Let this be your day of salvation, 749 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,559 and put your faith and trust in the Lord Jesus, not in cards, 750 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:21,880 stars, mediums ouiji boards or anything of the like. Come to Christ and 751 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,800 put your full faith and trust and believe in Him today with all of your 752 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,960 heart, with all of your mind, and with all of your strength. 753 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,039 The Lord will set you free. And the Bible says the Holy Spirit will 754 00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:36,599 undwell your heart and you will have an abundant life and an eternal life in 755 00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:39,679 heaven. And that's what everything is all about, our spiritual purpose to share 756 00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:43,880 the Gospel, the good news that we can be free in Christ and have 757 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:50,840 eternal life only through Him. Jenniza is the host of Ex Psychic Save. 758 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,119 That's a podcast so you can pick up her book, From Psychic to Saved. 759 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,480 Her website is from Psychic It's e psychicsave dot com. Right John, 760 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:04,599 that's right, perfect there, it is ex Psychic Saved dot com. I'm 761 00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:07,079 Emily Drashinsky, culture editor here at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with 762 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:12,039 more. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the brain. 763 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,239 You got right, well, you