We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Joshinsky,
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Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts as well. Today I'm
joined by Jen Nizza. She is the author of From Psychic to Saved.
She's the host of the podcast X Psychic Saved. You can find out all
kinds of information about Jen all of her books the podcast link at x X
Psychicsaved dot com. Jen, thank you so much for joining the show.
Hi, Emily, thank you for having me. Now you've written two books
I mentioned from Psychic to Save. There's a second one as well. Can
you tell us the title of that one? Sure? It's Out of the
New Age and Into the Truth. Excellent. Out of the New Age Into
the Truth. A lot of these topics you explore on your podcast Psychic Saved.
Don't want to get into that, but maybe it's best to start with
some background on you, your story, How you are the ex psychic who
is saved? How you went from psychic to Save? Tell us a little
bit about that, Jen sure, and I really want to thank you again
for the opportunity to have this conversation. Because our culture is plagued by witchcraft.
Psychic mediumship is included in that, so one I want to address that
one can be an ex psychic. Some people are like, hey, what
do you mean you really weren't a medium, then you really didn't have a
gift. Well, to start, it's not a gift, but I too
believed that deception that it was a gift from God. To give you a
little bit of my background, I started as a child having dreams that would
come true. Nothing pivotal, nothing profound, just little things that would end
up happening. And it really for me began, I say, when I
got my first tarot card reading when I was thirteen years old. And I
just want to say that I had no relationship with Christ. I didn't know
Christ. I was raised culturally Catholic, and that simply means that I didn't
hold to any sort of religion, if you will. It was more about
the food and the family, and you know, we only went to church
once in a while, so I was raised that way. So I didn't
have the defense of Christ. I didn't have the Shield of Christ. And
I had that tarot card reading when I was thirteen, and it blew my
mind. I was so intrigued by it. And I'm not afraid to say
that, because I think that most people, this is the problem, get
so intrigued by the supernatural. And that's exactly what it is, or the
paranormal. And after I had that tarot card reading, I started pursuing more
divination, and that's what that is. I got my own tarot cards.
I went on to pursue numerology, astrology, not myself becoming an expert in
those topics, but pursuing them to attain information for myself about my future insights
on decision, so on and so forth. The further I went down the
road, the further I went down the rabbit hole of destruction. I got
coffee grind readings. I oh, gosh, you name it. I was
doing it. And I started doing automatic writings, which is channeling. I
did it on paper in a notebook. Some people they will automatic write,
just like the creator of the aneotypes for the Enneagram, he used automatic writing
books. Whatever doorans, angel cards, the little books that come with tarot
cards, that's all automatic writing it's being channeled AnyWho. So I went on
this way for years and parallel to that, and this is important to say,
Yes, I had happy moments in my life. I was content with
my readings. I wasn't looking for a change in my life or anything like
that. But there was destruction, just as there will be with any sort
of demonic door that you walk through. So though people see the mediums on
TV, the mediums on TikTok, the mediums on YouTube and Instagram, the
witchcraft being glamorized, please know that you're not going home with them. You're
not going behind the closed doors. This is not something that's going to lead
to a joyous, peaceful, fulfillment or blessed life. So at the same
time, there will be the symptoms of demonic oppression. And let me tell
you I had them. Anxieties, you know, confusions, doubts. Constantly
seeking the New Age is a hamster wheel because you truly are seeking for that
fulfillment. You're constantly looking for wisdom, You're looking for all the things that
God alone can give you. You're going to the wrong team, You're going
to the wrong forces. Right. So this went on for quite a few
years and it escalated and I started getting touched by demons, and I started
hearing more and more from demons, because that's who's providing the information through the
readings. So just as where I would get readings, I was also giving
readings a lot. And it got to the point where I had this dream
and I, you know, actually, let me just say that in I
believe that in the dream state, if you will, your Vonlne your bolt.
Spiritually, you're not conscious, right, so you you don't have that
guard up if you will, And I really do believe that the enemy can
attack you in your dreams because I've had psychic attacks and dreams since I'm twelve.
I mean, now, thank god, you know it's not chronic,
but I've had them. So I had this dream and it was this young
man who well, it looked like this young man who had been this who
had died, and I saw how he died, I saw what he looked
like. I saw his age, and I saw my ex boyfriend who was
I saw him in the dream, and I saw his girlfriend. Now I
don't I had never met his girlfriend. I didn't know what she looked like.
I just knew that it was a girlfriend and huh, just knew all
psychic. It's awful. So I was able to get this out to him.
I was like, you know, I don't this is crazy. I
had this dream and so you see, I'm just like everybody else, like
this is crazy, Like what's happening? You know? I had this stream
and bah blah blah. And I tell him and he goes back and he
tells his girlfriend. Comes back the next week and he's we have a daughter
together. That's why he was coming back, just so you know how he
was helpful, Like why is he Yeah, he's my daughter's father. So
he came back the next week to visit my daughter and he's like, listen,
I spoke to my girlfriend about this, and that's her brother's friend.
He died that way. That's what he looked like. That's how old he
was. What's his name? So he's asking me kind of like a parlor
trick, but which was weird because I'm just as like what's going on as
he is. And he says, well, what's his name? And right
away those demons masquerading, those familiar spirits like his name is Michael. So
I told him and he hit like his jaw dropped my jew drop. He's
like, yeah, that's his name. So what was happening right? What
on earth was happening? So of course what do I do? I go
to the medium, the medium that I used that I would go to,
uh for the answers to this to find out what was going on. And
she's like, Jen, you're you know you're a medium. Uh. This
is a departed a departed loved one who's trying to get messages to their you
know, to their family and friends. And this is a gift from God.
Here's a business card of so and so. I'm not going to mention
names on here. So and so you need to call this woman up and
get into her divination. Well she didn't call it divination, but that's what
it is, a divination group. What did she call it? You know
classes? Uh, it's not psychic university. I always say it's not psychic
university. But these spiritual there are spiritual centers. This woman particularly was doing
in her home and she was very cute and sweet and all of that.
But it's a group of people that get together. She leads it leads you
through guided meditation smudging, which is burning stage with the idea that it will
protect you from anything possibly bad, you know, in the spiritual realm.
And now I know some ex new Agers don't even didn't even believe in the
devil or anything negative. Now she wasn't using the word devil, she wasn't
using the word demons. She was saying like negative spirits. Right. So
I come into this group, this lot of people just like me, except
different avenues that they were going down. Some people did like urror readings,
crystals, reiki, you know, all of these different New Age practices,
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and now it's kind of like imagine, you know, I've already opened
the door to the demonic I've walked through the demonic door, and now I'm
going further and further and further through it. Because I tell you I went
from I never say zero, because I did and start as a zero.
I started at like, let's say, if you want to say, fifty
percent to a million percent of readings and constant demonic communication going through this group.
And that was when I kind of walk out of there with business cards
in my hands, sitting in Starbucks, sitting in my mom's basement doing these
readings. Because of course, the leader of the divination group, she said,
well, you know, you have to charge something jen for these readings
because this is an exchange of energy. So I'm like okay, and you
know, I had sleep paralysis. I saw a demon's manifest But my answer
to that was, Okay, light the candle, you know, burn more
stage. You know, what am I doing wrong? Here? Where's my
spirit guide when you need them? Right? And this went on for quite
some time, and I was doing readings and I was perfectly content. I
went on to lead my own DIVINATIONE group in my home and I was teaching
law of attraction, chakra balancing, Tarot cards. Not that I was an
expert on Tarot cards. I didn't need those cards. I just the information
would just get downloaded and I would just report it, you know, through
the readings I gave. But I had knowledge obviously of the you know cards
and angel cards and boy, you think of it a past life regression,
the automatic writing. So I was leading these people and I just I loved
it. I absolutely looked. I loved the group of people. I was
not looking for any sort of change in my life, for any sort of
new philosophy for you know. I wasn't like, hmm, let me check
out Christianity and try that on for size. Now. None of that happened.
That wasn't my That wasn't where I was when I was thirty six.
At the very end of my thirty sixth year, I became so I was
so demonically oppressed. I mean, I tell you, they were just constantly
bothering me. And that's another thing. I just want to let people know
too, because I know what's out there. Please again, don't be fooled,
oh that these mediums have it all under control. They don't. They
don't. Oh, I can turn it off and I can do this.
Yeah, you can kind of check out for a little while. But if
they want to keep bothering you, they will. They are powerful. And
that's what was happening for me. And I had this moment. I just
couldn't take it, and I wasn't thinking about or contemplating, Okay, what
do I do? No, it was just like in a second, I
just called out to Jesus Christ. I called on his name, and I
had no idea why I did that, because I didn't know him. I
didn't know him, I didn't serve him. I didn't care about the Bible.
I never read the Bible. I didn't debunk the Bible. I didn't
care if you read the Bible. But I had no knowledge to do this
thing all Holy Spirit right there, and oh yeah, Holy Spirit. Of
course I can say that now looking back, right, But then I had
no idea what was going on. And I still hadn't heard the gospel.
I still didn't open the Bible, so I was very vulnerable. Still,
you know, I didn't realize, Hey, I'm a sinner, and Jesus
Christ died for those sins in full, and I need to put my faith
and trust in him. I didn't know that. I didn't know the good
news, right, So I go on, and now I'm kind of like,
I don't want to be a psychic anymore, but I don't know why.
Again, Holy Spirit, hallelujah, thank you God. But I didn't
know that. So I went back eventually, I did stop for a little
while, and I went back eventually to doing the readings. This is all
that I knew, and I was still being plagued by this demonic oppression and
communication. The devil definitely didn't want to lose me. I was doing his
work for many years and to my you know, to my regret, honestly,
of course, And this went on for about ten months. I went
back to the readings. And the cool thing about God is that once he
draws you because he's got to do the drawing. He's going to draw the
person. The Holy Spirit's going to draw the person to him. Right,
He's not going to He's not going to drop you. He's not going to
drop you. And ten months later, this friend of mine who I met
in the divination group and did readings for and all that she was coming over
for dinner. And I had no idea between then and the last time that
I had seen her that she actually had been saved. I had no idea
she was coming over for dinner. She comes over and she starts talking to
me about Jesus and this church she started attending. And I'm like, whoa,
that's cool. Good for you, you know, kind of like that,
like what I've heard people tell me so many times when I'm doing TikTok
lives. Hey, if it makes you happy, good for you. Yeah.
Okay. So so she invites me to church and I said, I
said no, I'm good, Thank you very much. Wow. One month
later, I woke up on a Sunday, and once again, the Holy
Spirit didn't know it then, was urging me to get up and go to
that church. Go to that church today. And of course, I'm just
hey, I want to go to that church today. I don't know why,
but I do. And I did, and they're singing and it's very
different than what I had ever gone to. You know, it was a
Bible based church. I had only been used to mass whenever I would go.
And these people have the hands up in there. That's cool to worship.
You know, they're worshiping Jesus. You know. The music's playing and
again, and I know, I I tear up almost every time I said,
you know, the lyric Jesus Saved Me was being sung, and I'm
singing with these people, and I sing that lyric, and it was in
a flash that I went back to that moment ten months prior when I cried
out to him, and it was just this confirmation that that was Jesus,
that he is the one that was there with me in that moment, the
one that gave me that peace when I cried out to him, the Son
of God, and I immediately believed in him, immediately, and it was
like my heart just got filled up with the Holy Spirit and I started crying
right there and then and I heard the gospel that day. I heard it
and I was free, and I went home and that's how I felt,
immediately free. And I went home from that church, which not even like
contemplating anything again. I know you said a word already and contemplating it again.
I went home and I looked up what does the Bible say about psychic
mediums? And when I saw the multiple verses God talking about this from the
beginning of the word to the end of the word, it was like open
Bible info dot com or something and all these verses, and I was like,
wow, oh my gosh, i have to quit my job. That's
it. I've got to quit my Like, this is what God's saying,
not to do it. It's detestable, it's an abomination, you know.
And he lists it. He Deuteronomy eighteen ten to twelve, though he lists
and in the ESV he uses the word medium. And I'm like, wow,
he's talking directly to me, which of course we know that is exactly
what he's doing through the Word of God. He's speaking to us, and
it's alive, and you can see it right then and there, right because
there it is a lot I'm current active and I said, okay, Lord,
I don't know what all this means. But I know you saved me.
I know you didn't have to. I know that had I died as
a psychic, I was going to hell. But you gave me this chance.
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Amen Praise Me to God. You know what's interesting to me about that is
you immediately assigned a sense of authority to God in your mind, and so
much of this happens in a secular context where there's actually another interesting thing in
your story is there's no framework of demonic oppression in the secular context of New
Age practices, like we don't think of these things. We don't think of
psychics and mediums as being touched by demons, and potentially you know, the
source of their power being demons being evil. But immediately you were able to
make that jump. And I wonder why you think that is that you felt
so convicted that this was the word of God, was real and true,
that what God was telling you had authority coming. You know, it's such
a stark contrast those two worlds, but you crossed over right away. It's
a complete one eighty. I always say repentance is the one eighty of a
lifetime. When you truly put your faith in trust in the Lord. The
Bible says in Ephesians one thirteen that the Holy Spirit will come to indwell your
heart. The Holy Spirit is the one that leads us to points to Christ
and leads us and guides us and gives us wisdom. Right. So with
the Holy Spirit, now he's the one who is saying, okay, first
order of business, jen got to get you away from the devil, from
serving the devil. Because the Bible also says you cannot drink from the cup
of the Lord and the cup of demons, right, So how could I
continue to be a psychic and serve God and walk with the Lord Jesus,
our Lord, couldn't I love how God is a god of order, and
that's the first order business that he had for me, which makes perfect sense.
I immediately obeyed the nudging and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. And
I just want to say, you're absolutely right what you mentioned in the New
Age. You're right. You don't look at it as demonic. You look
at it as light and love. We were light workers healers. Right,
you have a gift and it's it seems so beautiful and attractive and something that's
good for you, and it's and it's not. It's a it's a very
sinister, very nefarious, uh. Practice. These practices are nefarious, but
they're dressed up because Satan masquerades is an angel of light. You see,
the light worker. It's the false light. Jesus is the true light of
the world. Of course. So that was a long answer to your question,
but the short answer is how did I succumb to the authority of Christ
immediately? Because I had Christ and that's and that's Holy Spirit right there.
Yeah, It's so interesting because did the I'm very curious as to how I
imagine it's something you still have to fight, the the attempted oppressions of you
know, the the same forces that were giving you information. You described it
as downloading, and I'd love to hear more about that too. What the
you know, the sort of process of receiving information that I imagine you still
believed to be true, that a lot of it was true information tricking you
in one direction or the other. How did that is that something you still
have to fight? Is that something that just sort of declined and frequency as
you started committing further and further to Christ. So interesting that you you asked
that, I'm actually writing my third book now and I am coming into this
chapter where it's like, hey, now I'm a Christian. I'm denouncing you
know, mediumship, the new Age, Hey, smooth sailing from here?
Not quite. I did get I did get a psychic attack a few weeks
after that, and I just want to say this real quick, No,
I don't need to go to a deliverance ministry. Thank you so much.
That's a quick pass on that I never had to, I never will,
and I don't believe that they're biblical. And that's not an attack on anybody
or anything. That's just where I stand. I got a psychic attack.
I was a baby Christian. That's not just why. But the devil didn't
want to lose a grip on me. He just didn't. So I can
count on one hand the amount of those I've had. Probably yeah, probably
two or maybe three psychic attacks that way, because the spiritual bad is real
now in that regard. So that was, you know, regarding psychic attacks.
But there is a spiritual battle, and as Christians, we face that.
The Lord talks about it in his word. He gives us the armor
of God, he gives us the spiritual weapons. He talks about it in
Second Corinthians, you know, he talks about it in Ephesians. So if
there was no spiritual battle, we wouldn't need spiritual weapons. So we are
getting it. We will face these attacks and this oppression from the demons that
are trying to steal our peace, trying to keep us from sharing the gospel,
from sharing the truth, from exposing their tactics. But we have now
in Christ we have the defense. Remember in the beginning I said I was
christless. I had no defense. I was just out there, think about
you know, just being this prey, just out there, easy target.
But now I have Christ have a shield of faith, and it's something that
we have to be So we have to be so vigilant about reading all word
every day, you know, fasting when we need to fast, praying daily
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you you mentioned this a couple of times that you were you had anxiety,
but also that in a sense things were just things are kind of okay,
to the point where you weren't questioning, you know, really deeply, the
health the spiritual health of what you were doing. Were you happy or do
you look back down and say, I was you know, deeply unhappy?
I was miserable or were you actually you know, sort of able to exist,
uh, just fine, you know in terms of just that sort of
superficial measure of you know, being a person who can get up in the
morning, go about their business, go to sleep, and be okay,
and you know, the twentieth century. Mm hmm. That's a good I
love how you how you phrased that, especially in the beginning my spiritual health,
Yeah, I had. I had no idea how spiritually did I was
and how spiritually sick I was. I had happy moments, I had happy
days, but I was deeply unfulfilled. And when you're that unfulfilled, you're
going to keep seeking to fill whatever you feel that you're missing, right,
so you keep going down the wrong road. And for me it was of
course divination and the New Age and that community. For other people it might
be something else, whatever bondage they're in that that they keep looking to fill
that space in their hearts that God needs to be in. But I was.
It's so interesting, right, I had these I had these times of
anxieties of being weighed down. Also things going wrong, discord, you know,
relation, relational issues, all the things that are so common of the
flesh, and you know that would bring me down too, But I was
perfectly content, still doing my divination. Isn't it interesting the cause of my
problems not being saved. Not to say that you don't have problems when you
saved, you do. But I was signed up for it, you know
completely by what I was doing. I was dealing with demons on a regular
basis. And they really don't care about you. They don't love man and
they don't love God. They'll give you a little bit of what you think
you want, what you think you want, never anything that you truly need.
So even if you see somebody that looks like the happiest person and they're
a psychic or whatever, remember again, you don't know everything that's going on
with them, but number you know. But number two, they don't have
what they need. They're still seeking what they need, so they're getting these
temporary things. But what you really need is joy, not happiness. God
doesn't say anything about happiness. He doesn't promise us happiness. Happiness is nice,
it's an emotion, it's a fleeting emotion. But joy is when you
are. It doesn't depend upon your circumstances. Happiness does right because you're not
gonna be happy if you lose your job today? Are you not gonna be
happy? Right? But you can still have joy if you're in Christ.
For me back then, let's say it was somebody who lost their job.
Not only are they unhappy, but they were coming to me to find out
when they would get the next job. Should I go down this road?
Should I go down that road? Or they're going to the astrologer and they're
getting a chart done. But you see, in Christ, you can walk
away and say, okay, God, you know what. I can still
rejoice today. I can smile today, and I trust that you, as
my good father, are going to provide. I'm going to pray about the
job that you put on my path. I'm going to pray for your leading,
for clarity, and you're entrusting it to the Lord. Wow. Is
that not a breath of fresh air or what? That's freedom? That's freedom.
See, people don't realize when you have to keep going to a psychic,
how are you ever going to rest? When you have to know inquiring
minds need to know, you might be too young to I think that was
like readers, digest, don't vote me. It's like many years ago,
you know, and inquiring minds need to know. No, you don't.
You actually don't need to know. You need to trust in the one who
does, and the only one who does is God, because you want to
the devil and his minions they don't know everything. And that's a huge deception
of psychic mediumship. You're going and you're believing because yes, you are hearing
pieces of accurate information. Of course you are, because what these demons have
seen, they're reporting with one hundred percent accuracy what they've seen. What they
haven't seen the future. They are not omniscient, they are not omnipotent.
They cannot be everywhere at one time. They cannot know the future. They
don't actually know the future. They're good guessers. They're demons, not human
beings. They're powerful, they're intelligent. They've been here for ages, they've
seen the patterns. They've been watching you, they've been watching your family.
And I'm not trying to be creepy right now. Please don't feel that way,
because you really don't have to feel that way because they're on a leash.
You have to remember that too. You know, it's not the devil
versus God or these minions versus God. The demons. No, God is
still in control. They're on a short leash, but they're watching, they're
around, so they can guess with a great accuracy of some future events.
But again it's not going to be one hundred percent because they don't know for
sure. But now you're banking on this because you've heard a few pieces of
accurate information. Oh yeah, I was at Luigi's last week eating spaghetti and
me bulls and the meat poll fell on the floor and I yelled at the
weight. I don't know, and the psycha could report that to you,
because the demons sort they even see what you're doing when no one else is
around, And that's what really captivates people, those moments when nobody else was
about you. Never could have known that about me. How could you have
possibly know known that I was in my room by myself. I went in
the closet and I freaked out because I'm grieving so badly. But then I
saw my mom's necklace on the floor, and now it's in my pocketbook.
And now the psychic like, say, you were in your room, you
were crying in the closet, you found mom's necklace and it's in your pocketbook
right now. And then this person, yeah, go ahead, oh,
go on, go on. Oh I was just going to say, and
then this person will be like, oh my god. That then that's got
to be Mom. She was watching me. She knows. And now when
are you ever going to want to lose that contact with quote unquote, I'm
doing air quotes. Mom, You're gonna have to keep going back to that
medium. You're getting further away from God. And now you're banking on the
future information that they're giving you predictions, because after all, that was true,
so this next thing must be true, right, wrong, right,
right, of course. And you know, I can't think of a book
that like radically changed the way I look at the world quite as much as
screwtape letters. And as we're having this conversation, I'm thinking so much of
the way C. S. Lewis described the cleverness of demons in modern times,
to you know, sort of adapt to the new ways that technology and
everything has sort of allowed us to to see the world and to have maybe
this distance from from death, from that constant sort of looming presence of death,
and to you know, just just live very very different lives that are
are so detached from from God and important ways. And on that note,
that's that's what's kind of interesting, is you're describing what it was like to
hear from these these different bits of inform. I always think, as many
people probably do, of what was her name on Montel You know, you
turn the TV on at like three pm on a workday and Sylvia Brown,
I think was her name, would be on Montel and she was. I
believe she claimed to be Christian, And I know there are a lot of
psychics who claim to be Christian, And to me, it's like I'm trying
to square that circle of how psychics who claim to be Christian square the circle
on their own. I know they say, as you mentioned earlier, that
they're getting they the angels and God himself as the source of this information.
But ultimately that seems to me and this is when I'm curious to hear your
take on like a very clever ploy to drive people away from God's word and
to these sort of false hopes. You hit the nail on the head.
This is one thing that that rattles may people will even go but you know,
Christian psychic, Christian witch. Now I'm a Christian witch. No,
you're not. That's an oxymoron. You're not that because you can't be a
Christian and a psychic. You can't be a Christian in a witch. And
I don't mean to sound abrasive by any means, that's exactly what they're doing
because they have to come up against the Bible now, they have to go
based on the demonic communications that they're having under the guise, under the radar
of Christianity, which they've made into something that they wanted to be. It's
all of a sudden become very subjective, right, because they're not subscribing to
the God of the Bible, they're not subscribing to any real authority. They're
doing what they want and they have to debunk the Bible in order to do
it. Well, you know, you know that the Bible was written by
man, and you know, God says to help people and I'm just helping
people, and they just twist it. They just completely twist it and they
de but and it gets people away because you know, you lead people away
from God that way, of course, by continueing divination and you're leading people
away from God's word. They start, I mean, because I deal with
this a lot on when I do lives. It's it's it's the trenches,
Emily TikTok, it's the trenches. But I have a lot of people come
on their witches and practicing psychics and stuff, and they'll tell me no,
no, no, you know, uh, that's just look here in the
Bible where it says, uh, you know, I can speak. They
kind of think they're prophits, and some of them think they're prophets, and
like you said, too right. They give this nice, beautiful idea of
angels and all the stuff. It's not even what real angels are with they
you know, Dorian Virtue, she made the angel cards and you know she
said that she did it because she didn't like the negativity of the tarot cards.
Uh. And and it gives us idea like this is holy, this
is godly, and it's a big it's a big I call it big dupe,
being duped by the evil one. They're being duped. I don't believe
it's because they want to hurt people. I didn't want to hurt people.
I want to help people, and I think these people want to help people.
But they're so spiritually blind and they're so in the clutches of the devil,
and what is the devil's agenda? So and then you have to go
back to Ephesian six twelve, right, for we do not wrestle against flesh
and blood, but against the principalities, the authorities, the cosmic powers,
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you know, this is the time of year when so many people and
I'm sure you experienced this probably when you were working as a medium. So
many people start to like indulge their intrigue in the supernatural, which I think
it's perfectly healthy to be intrigued by the supernatural, because we do have these
kind of like sanitized modern lives where we know we're missing something, we know
we're looking for something deeper, something eternal and enduring. And in the fall
and spooky season, you know, people really let themselves indulge and get some
of these questions asked and answered. It's amazing. And I don't know if
you've sensed this, the intrigue in astrology, in smudging, in tarot cards.
I mean, we're seeing Ouiji boards back on the shelves, you know,
in target, and it seems like big numbers. It seems like these
days this is increasing, like the people are really allowing themselves, giving themselves
permission to start indulging in things like astrology at an even higher rate or mediums
or even higher rate. Like just on an episode of the Real Housewives of
Orange County. This may sound ridiculous, but they went and saw a shaman
and some of them are very like they got baptized on the show. They're
very serious Christians. It just seems like this is becoming mainstream in a very
powerful way. Is there Do you have to be careful about sort of having
these conversations with people who are intrigued by what you did in your experience without
kind of also, you know, giving into something or allowing them to give
into something unhealthy. This this urge to just poke around at less than healthy,
evil sort of ideas. Uh yeah, I mean, you know,
it's interesting how you said these people were baptized on the show and then they
went to see the shaman, and we use the word Christian. And one,
I want to say that lots of people can call themselves Christian. It
may not be. But number two, some people really are Christians and are
just uneducated in this department, you know what I mean. And that I
have to say is because it's not being preached this way. We need to
go back to the church right and we say, come on, guys,
preach this part of the Bible. Teach teach your flock about divination, because
Emily, it is so prevalent, it's everywhere, boom, it's right in
our faces, and it's so true, tricky, even with the full even
with the heretical churches. You know, the Word of faith and everything this
manifesting in there going on. You can speak things into existence. You know,
there's all kinds of things trickling into the church too, and people just
don't know. They don't realize that it's new age. You said, do
I have to be careful. You should always be careful when you're talking about
these things. But you have to be bold. You have to be bold,
and you have to expose it because people, and you do that because
you love them. People really don't know. But when they get involved with
these things, like those ladies you mentioned going to that chump, they're opening
a door to the demonic. You also mentioned about this time of year and
the intrigue with the supernatural. Absolutely three million percent you're right, And that's
a big reason why I come up against one of the reasons why I come
up against Halloween. Of course, I don't believe that it's glorifying to God
in any way, and I also don't believe there's anything redeemable about it.
It worships the devil, creepy zombie, and you know, you have people
with their bobbing for apples and stuff. I get it, but that's just
one I don't touch with a ten foot poll like, just just I want
nothing to do with Halloween. I'm not doing candy whatever. But anyway,
I digress. Oh that's I actually think that. It's like, you know,
obviously there have been debates in Christian circles about that forever. Oh yes,
something a lot of people are thinking about these days. Oh yeah,
definitely. And you met. And another thing is when you mentioned what we're
seeing out there, the Ouiji boards, the taro that is marketed so much
more at this time. No surprise there, no surprise there, right,
Hey, come on, this is creepy time. Let's get let's access some
demons with the Ouigi board, no problem, let's put it on sweatshirts and
Altoid mint covers and cvs and home goods and everything. And hey, the
ghosts and the skulls in addition to that, we're seeing it. I believe
on a rise that is so rapid. It's so rapid, and you know,
the more they shove God out, the more this stuff comes in.
And like I said at the top, you know, the devil, all
he's got to do is make you think he doesn't exist, and then he
could put this stuff right, I think I said it. Anyway, put
this stuff right in your face, right, Well, there's no devil.
What's the difference. Oh, this is just for fun, This is just
entertainment, this tarot card reading. Some of these people will even make these
little disclaimers. Hey, for entertainment purposes only. They're marketing. Luigi Board
by Hasbro is a game, a game for children. You're seeing it.
Then you have these woke agenda movies coming out, you know, Barbie and
this, that and the other thing. So now we're going to put Barbie's
face on a Ouiji board. Hey, kids, come on down. It's
I tell you. I don't know whether to cry to stomp my feet.
It breaks my heart. It literally breaks my heart. But it is and
social media is making it so glamorous, just like you said. So it
was on that show. What about the Kardashians, What about what about Vanessa
Hutchins? Right, what about Oh gosh, Netflix, You've got it all
over the place. Never mind the platforms. TikTok oh, I'm sorry,
hashtag witch talk forgive me astrology you know astrology talk? Oh yeah, these
are real. I'm not even being These are real hashtags on that and they
got billions of views. This is a time that the people, you know,
people need God so badly. We've gone through so much as a nation,
we're going through so much as a nation, we're going through so much
in our culture, we're going to the children, we're going through so much.
There's such a need. There's always going to be a need for God.
But the devil is using everything in his power, everything that he can
to have you go to him for those needs, and he'll never be able
to provide it, never be able to I was going to say that was
My next question was about these technologies because I know you're on TikTok and you're
sharing, you know, you're you're sort of confronting some of these trends and
memes head on on TikTok and on other social media platforms. A lot of
people have concerned about AI. I mean, obviously, all technology is an
extension of man, and man has fallen. So technology is not going to
be, you know, portal to heaven, that's for sure. But what
should people be aware of that is sort of creeping into these platforms and into
our digital world. Well, you have to be aware of particularly these things
that we're talking about, and maybe people didn't know prior to even listening to
this, but you want to be aware of the tarot card readers, the
people that believe that they are star seeds. They're from a different realm.
Watch out for the idea that you're you're on God. Right. So if
I put some cinnamon out, I think there was a trend with that.
They Oh, put some cinnamon around your door or outside your door or something.
Somebody told me about this, and that will ward off bad energy.
Demons are not afraid of cinnamon. Okay, it's just not that's not real.
You know what else, oh gosh, all these things. Watch out
for people that say they're Christian intuitives, psychic advisors, or Christian advisors but
using tarot cards. Be aware of all those things going on, because I
have to tell you something. The devil will attack and his menus will attack.
They're prowling around. Let me just back up for a second. Right,
it's first Peter five eight. Be sober and alert, Be watchful because
your enemy, the devil, prows around, seeking to whom he may devour.
And I say this, think about what a prowler is. Remember you
know crime wise, a prowler is that person the prows around your house looking
for an entry. And when you're vulnerable and when you're weak, right,
if you've got that window that was broken, they can get in. Right.
So when you're vulnerable, when you're weak, you're lonely, you're hopeless,
you're desperate, and you're flipping on TikTok and you're flipping through Instagram,
there's going to be that's going to be where the enemy is going to try
and hit you. Okay, So what you need to know is that,
yes, you're going to go through these trials and things like that, but
when you see somebody that makes it look very appealing. I always say,
it's kind of like Satan has this. He has this. It looks like
a present, right, and it's wrapped up in the tiffany wrapping really pretty
that teal and the white thing is so beautiful, and here take this.
This is a gift. Look it's it says holy, Look it says Christian,
it says healing, it says well, the inside of that box is
filled with demons. Okay, it's a mess. It's a charade, that's
what it is. It's a lie. So don't be fooled when you see
these people and these trends and they're offering you something outside of the Bible,
outside of God, and there has to be zero divination. Okay, can't
be the Bible plus psychics. Okay. You have to be very careful of
all that stuff. The best thing to do, especially if you've been in
the New Age or you attempt it, is stay off of those things.
Unfortunately, they're there every other Oh gosh, there's so many. There's so
many of them. But yeah, you need to be aware of those things
and the AI stuff. I mean, my goodness, gracious, they have
like an AI readings. I think. Don't quote me because I thought I
saw something where it was an AI reading or channeling and one of those spirit
box things or an Ai Weiji board. So just be careful with all of
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question, Jen, You've been so you're generous with your time. I'm curious
if you could just speak to a little how easy it is. We always
have the Great Billy Hollowell on around this time of year too, to talk
about things like beija boards and how easily people can get can open themselves up
to evil. What's your perspective on just and how quickly, how easily that
can happen, especially in a world where you're scrolling through TikTok and you know
suddenly there's this cinnamon thing and you do it. There's just so much pressure
from different parts of our culture to engage in some of this right. And
it's the idea that it's innocent, it's not going against God. It's okay,
it's just a trend. It's just even when you're looking at your horoscope,
it's okay. It's not so a door opening or leaving the door open
to the devil, or is giving them an entrance, and that entrance by
something that you may find to be so innocuous, which isn't. Once they
enter, then you're going to see more oppression and you're going to have these
demons around you, and of course you don't want to invite them into your
space. So you need to be very very careful not to open doors to
demons by watching these readings, certainly by practicing any form of divination, using
any divination tool. So educate on what the divination tools are. Test the
spirits. You see this thing, cinnamon thing, I know we keep using
that. Whatever it may be, you see it, go to God and
say, God, is this something that I should be doing or not?
And read the word. You're going to find the answer is no. But
make sure that you know, make sure that you're aware. That's a whole
big part of the putting on the armor of God. Right. Reading the
Word of God is going to prepare and train your spiritual eye to see what's
coming, to see the attack, to say, hey, listen, you
know what that that's divination. I'm not going to do that. I'm not
having any part in that. That's dangerous, that's demonically dangerous. A big
one is yoga too, right, Yoga is opening a demonic door. You
think it's just stretching and breathing, but it's not. It's not. It's
idolatry. It's worshiping Hindu God's little g Those are their deities aka demons.
Unwise to do it, unwise to practice it. But something that seems so
great and has been twisted three million times by people that you don't know the
truth and are blind to the truth. So just be very careful, be
very aware. And Billy's awesome, by the way, he's such a good
guy. Yes, and he actually his interview with you is what made me
want to flush some of this out because it's fascinating and so important. I
mean, I think especially for women, especially for young women, it is
just pulling at us these days really hard. So the perspective from somebody who
knows it inside and out, it has just been invaluable. Jen, thank
you, You're welcome, Emily. I really appreciate it. And if I
could say any one last thing, I would just love to say, come
to Christ today as you are. You don't have to get your ducks in
a row, you don't have to be perfect. Jesus saved me a woman
who served the devil thirty well, I need serve him for thirty seven years,
but for years of my life. And you can come to Jesus Christ
today as you are. He did all the work on the Cross for you.
He paid the debt for our sin, and he reconciles us back to
God. He's the only mediator between man and God, and you can come
to Him and be free today. Let this be your day of salvation,
and put your faith and trust in the Lord Jesus, not in cards,
stars, mediums ouiji boards or anything of the like. Come to Christ and
put your full faith and trust and believe in Him today with all of your
heart, with all of your mind, and with all of your strength.
The Lord will set you free. And the Bible says the Holy Spirit will
undwell your heart and you will have an abundant life and an eternal life in
heaven. And that's what everything is all about, our spiritual purpose to share
the Gospel, the good news that we can be free in Christ and have
eternal life only through Him. Jenniza is the host of Ex Psychic Save.
That's a podcast so you can pick up her book, From Psychic to Saved.
Her website is from Psychic It's e psychicsave dot com. Right John,
that's right, perfect there, it is ex Psychic Saved dot com. I'm
Emily Drashinsky, culture editor here at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with
more. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the brain.
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