1 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:30,039 Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin will Share host and we have 2 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:34,079 got another great guest this evening, Kevin Wright. I reached out to him, 3 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,159 I would say maybe a month and a half ago or something like that, 4 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:44,520 when I started seeing what he was doing with his SOLVE advocacy. He 5 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:51,159 also advises the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies SU as well. So I saw 6 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,399 what he was doing, I thought it would be very interesting, and the 7 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:58,479 timing kind of works for what's going on. They're still trying to squash the 8 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,439 Schumer situation. I'm going to play a clip quickly on that in just a 9 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,359 minute. So anyway, it's Kevin Wright and he will be on in just 10 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,439 a minute as a guest. So the blog this week is the titled NASA 11 00:01:12,519 --> 00:01:17,400 and the UFO Problem. Another great one by Charles Lear goes all the way 12 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:23,640 back to nineteen seventy three, talks about when Jimmy Cotter was involved, and 13 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,159 also talks about his siting as well. And a very interesting blog by Charles 14 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:33,319 Lear. Please check that out when you can. So if you're watching live 15 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,280 and YouTube right now, you'll see in the chat in the upper part of 16 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:42,599 the chat is pinned our newsletter. Anyone can join our newsletter that's also on 17 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,920 our website PODCASTUFO dot com. It's over on the sidebar. But if you 18 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,719 click in the live chat right now, you can sign up real quickly. 19 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,280 It opens in a new window. 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So 27 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:30,199 getting a lot of feedback, some positive, some not so positive from what 28 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:36,680 I'm doing with the Crossfire that's every Thursday night with three other gentlemen, and 29 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:40,919 that's right here on YouTube live. And so you know, I've said in 30 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,919 the beginning myself that I didn't want to get into any of the politics out 31 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,439 there. I just wanted to talk about UAP. Sometimes they're an inchwined, 32 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,840 so I do understand that. But you know, we got in a bit 33 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:59,719 of a little heated discussion last week. Some people love it. I personally, 34 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,479 I'm not interested, as I say, and to talking about politics because 35 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:12,240 I think it opens a lot of issues because of the divisiveness of this country. 36 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:15,000 So I just don't want to get into that and cause all these discussions 37 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:22,479 that lead away from the UA subject. So just a little discussion that I 38 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:25,280 just wanted to get that out there. So every Thursday, we're going to 39 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,120 be running. This week, I'm not sure what the topic is yet. 40 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:36,120 It might be about whistleblowers. So check us at eight pm Thursday evenings right 41 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:40,000 here on this YouTube channel and on KGr A Radio Live, which we are 42 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:46,120 right now, and we may take calls later on during this show in itself, 43 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:52,479 and I'm going to welcome our guests. Kevin, welcome to the show. 44 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:55,680 Thank you for having me, Martin. Like you said, roping monologue, 45 00:03:55,719 --> 00:04:01,159 we've been discussing this for quite some time, and I'm thankful for you 46 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:04,879 to have me on. That's right, and you were behind me. We 47 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:11,960 were standing in that line on July twenty sixth in Washington, DC, and 48 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:16,279 unfortunately you were You should have been able to get into the room because I 49 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,959 was I think I was number twelve and thirteen in line with my producer, 50 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:26,519 and you were just like ten behind me. Yet you didn't get in with 51 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,639 all the people that kind of slid in in front of us. I just 52 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,360 barely get in, luckily. But it's unfortunate you went through all that trouble, 53 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:36,000 and I really feel bad for the people that waited in line. Some 54 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:41,240 people were waiting in line at you know, six thirty seven and didn't get 55 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,519 in that should have been able to get in, but like I said, 56 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,959 it's kind of who you know, and people slid in front of other people, 57 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:54,480 and some people were standing in line supposedly, you know, as a 58 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:59,199 substitute. You know, I know my friend Chris Ledo had a substitute and 59 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,279 they went to the wrong buildings, so it didn't work anyway. Well, 60 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:05,120 he did make it into the room, though, he did. Yeah, 61 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,240 he was the last person in the room. Christ So yeah, that's a 62 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:13,600 that's an interesting story because I was actually there at about six thirty as well. 63 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:18,040 And yeah, so there were some placeholders there. They're paid to hold 64 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:23,720 the place for other people, and so without naming the names of who those 65 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:26,920 people were, Yeah, there was a bunch of people that were able to 66 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,519 sort of jump in line, and I missed by, you know, a 67 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,439 couple people. That's okay. I was still there. Yeah, I was 68 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,920 in the overflow room and it was still a historic moment, and you know, 69 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,160 there were hundreds of people wound up in that hallway, and you know, 70 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,920 it was it was pretty awesome. They they said, I don't know 71 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,120 if they anyone confirmed it or not, but they thought there was over a 72 00:05:48,199 --> 00:05:51,480 thousand people that showed up for that. And I don't know if there's any 73 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,199 way that they could have counted that, but I did talk to someone in 74 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,360 the hallway there and they said they never they have never seen anything like that. 75 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,439 So that is the key topic why this I mean that is the key 76 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,399 reason why this topic is such a hot topic, is because there are so 77 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,120 many people interested and speaking of that. I'm going to play this clip right 78 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,959 here. This is Chuck Schumer yesterday, I believe it was, and we're 79 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:23,879 going to talk a little bit about this the subject. Here we go, 80 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,959 Well, it's not related to China. House Republicans are also attempting to kill 81 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:32,240 another common sense bipartisan measure passed by the Senate, which I was proud to 82 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:39,360 co sponsor with Senator Rounds, is the lead sponsor to increase transparency around what 83 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:46,120 the government does and does not know about unidentified aerial phenomena. Unidentified aerial phenomena 84 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,759 generate intense curiosity for many Americans, and the risk for confusion and misinformation is 85 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:56,560 high if the government isn't willing to be transparent. The measure I championed with 86 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,920 Senator Rounds would create a board just like we did with the Jak assassination records, 87 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:06,079 to work through the declassification of many government records on UAPs. This model 88 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:11,600 has been a terrific success for decades. It should be used again with UAPs. 89 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,879 But once again House Republicans are ready to kill this bipartisan provision. Now 90 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:19,000 we're going to get the NDAA done this year, just like we have from 91 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:27,439 more than six decades. So there it is, and you know it's still 92 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:30,639 hanging in the lurch at this point. Is that right? We don't really 93 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,600 know what's going to happen with it. Yes, I think we should all 94 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:43,360 be proceeding as though this is still a fight that's to be had. The 95 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,480 ink is not dry, you know, the dye has not been cast yet. 96 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:51,959 We need to all be fighting in favor of passing the Schumer Rounds United 97 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,519 or I'm sorry, the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Act of twenty twenty three contained in 98 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:03,920 the National Defense Authorization Act the NDA, and keep working to make sure this 99 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:09,079 past as it was written by Senator Schumer, Senator Rounds, and another bipartisan 100 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,600 group of senators another three or four on each side. So yeah, we 101 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,959 need to keep fighting because this is not yet decided. And you know, 102 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,600 I usually ask people right off the bat, and I think we should back 103 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,399 up just a little bit and get back into this. But basically, this 104 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,079 is the first time you've been on this show. You know, we've been 105 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:33,320 We've talked on the phone a number of times. But let's let's find out 106 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:37,679 who you are and what is the solve advocacy? What made you start that? 107 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:43,919 And I understand you are involved and sort of what would you call it 108 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:52,360 cutting edge or things that are this was something that interested you to work in 109 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,279 and I know you do other things as well, So let's just if you 110 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,480 would just fill in our audience with who you are based. Sure, so 111 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,480 I've been working in Washington, d c for about twenty five years at various 112 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:11,960 capacities, research, communications, public affairs, general political sort of matters, 113 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:16,200 working on political campaigns ranging from you know, things that are as small as 114 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:22,600 you know, county executive race, to state and state senators, state representative 115 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:28,279 all the way up to you know, presidential super PACs, public affairs campaigns, 116 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,759 statewide ballot initiatives, nonprofits. So I've been in this game for a 117 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:35,759 very long time, but i'd seen in the last four or five years, 118 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,200 I've become more and more disinterested from the regular sort of political arguments and fights 119 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:50,559 and partisanship. And so it's dovetails sort of with what's going on now. 120 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,919 But to get to where we got to with the UFO issue is that, 121 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:01,120 you know, I started reading about consciousness studies and afterlife studies, and if 122 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,840 you have read about it for long enough, you realize that there is some 123 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:11,519 sort of component that seems to come together with this phenomena. And so, 124 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:16,320 you know, growing up in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties, you know, 125 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,559 you watch the X Files and those that sort of thing, and it's 126 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,759 of interest, and you know, I watched it. You know, the 127 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,679 first six seven seasons were great, but I never really gave that much thought. 128 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:33,759 So when I started delving into these other sort of fringe well what would 129 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:39,679 most people call fringe subjects, I became aware that there was some sort of 130 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:46,480 connection and correlation what's going on with this phenomena with euap UFOs, And it 131 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,240 became sort of like an obsession that I needed to get started getting involved. 132 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,519 And it became clear obviously that the government is hiding significant data from the public 133 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,240 and the scientific community, academic community. So about a year ago, I 134 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,759 decided that I was going to start working on sort of this advocacy issue, 135 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:09,720 and I started reaching out to people and trying to figure out who would be 136 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:15,919 receptive to, you know, this sort of this sort of work. And 137 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:16,879 what I found was that, you know, there's a lot of people that 138 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:24,159 are receptive to it, but they're not necessarily you know, willing to get 139 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,159 their hands dirty and you know, get the elbow grease and you know, 140 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,200 help make it work together. But that's coming together now in the last you 141 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:39,519 know, several months here, m and and you're working, you know, 142 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:45,240 we've you actually got me connected with Danny. I had talked to Danny Shean, 143 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,159 you know, in line and you know, asked him if you'd be 144 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,720 a guest or whatever, but he gave me one of his emails that he 145 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,360 probably doesn't look at. You were kind enough to help me get him on 146 00:11:54,399 --> 00:12:00,759 the show last week, and we greatly appreciate it because it was sort of 147 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:05,080 like, we need to start getting you know, Dianal sheehan on some shows 148 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,720 and talking about this and advocating because we're at a situation right now. It's 149 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,360 a critical juncture of making sure that this you know u A p D a 150 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,399 h amendment to the NDA passes. So I was so happy that you were 151 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,399 receptive to that and helping us get him on you know, last Tuesday. 152 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,759 Thank you, Yeah, yeah, and uh yeah, it was it was 153 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:30,879 really an interesting show and uh lots of views on YouTube. There's a lot 154 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,440 of people that have uh watched that, a lot of downloads on audio as 155 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,039 well, So it's it's good and I'm hoping that a lot of people have 156 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:43,399 you know, done some efforts and contacting you know, the representatives, uh 157 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:50,159 to you know, not have the Shermer act go away. I was I 158 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:58,519 was now, I was a little surprised at Burchat was trying to make his 159 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:05,159 own type of act, you know, kind of too maybe dovetail or to 160 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:13,679 be something to be included in the National Defense UH Funding Act that they're to 161 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:20,159 do every year. But when I had I had had Steven Bassett on on 162 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:26,039 our Crossfire Show recently last Thursday, he basically says, no, that's not 163 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,320 what we want, that's not good enough. And so I wanted to get 164 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,000 your opinion on that. I mean, I know, I do appreciate Burchette's 165 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:39,519 really good efforts trying to get transparency, but it doesn't go as deeply as 166 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:48,000 as Schumer's. Schumer's right, Well, yes, I mean, you know, 167 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:54,159 Burshette and others who have you know, advocated for this or I think 168 00:13:54,279 --> 00:14:01,639 well intentioned and well meeting because they want more disclosure of what the government knows 169 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:09,559 sooner than what the Schumer rounds eu a PDA amendment would provide. But the 170 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,080 problem with you know, the Burushette amendment is that, well, I mean 171 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,600 there's a number of it. I mean, it's three paragraphs long, is 172 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:24,960 directed only at department events, addresses unidentified aerial phenomena, which does not then 173 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,279 include I mean, so we have to consider the fact that in all of 174 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:35,600 this stuff, we're talking about parlance and you know, word games and word 175 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:43,159 salad and things. So if we define something as narrow as unidentified aerial phenomena, 176 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:48,440 we're not talking about the overall phenomena, which would also include like underwater 177 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:54,559 I'm sorry, unidentified submerged objects, which is a very real issue too, 178 00:14:54,320 --> 00:15:01,879 which the Schumer Amendment would address because it addresses unidentified and phenomena. So when 179 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:07,039 you talk about only unidentified aerial phenomena, you're excluding a whole wide range of 180 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,399 other issues that are engaged or that are involved in this issue. So I 181 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,320 mean, that's one significant flaw. The other flaws that you know, addresses 182 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,360 only the Department Offense. It doesn't address the intelligence community, It doesn't address 183 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:28,360 aerospace defense contractors, it doesn't defense, or doesn't address a number of issues 184 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:31,480 here. So there are all sorts of loopholes here. It looks like sort 185 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:37,440 of like a piece of Swiss cheese that the gatekeepers are going to drive all 186 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:43,960 the information through and forget about it, you know, so well, I 187 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:50,399 guess I'll ask you this, would it be better than nothing? Or should 188 00:15:50,399 --> 00:16:00,200 we not even think about that type of of that type of thought process talking 189 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,320 about Schumer or Burshette. Oh yeah, Burchette, I mean, yeah, 190 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,879 well, I think we did not even try to go in that direction at 191 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,240 all. If if that's what it's you know, if it's going to be 192 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:19,480 problem, well, I think there's nothing wrong with passing the Burshette Amendment to 193 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,600 the Schumer Amendment. It would be a tack on at the end of the 194 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:29,200 Schumer me to the NBA. So I think there's nothing wrong with passing it. 195 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:32,559 The problem is that, you know, you're not likely to get much 196 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:36,399 from it. But we're not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 197 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,960 We're going to you know, advocate here and get these amendments passed. 198 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,480 And then, you know, no legislation is perfect. It doesn't matter if 199 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,960 it's a democratic piece of legislation or Republican piece of legislation. We can always 200 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,960 go back and revisit them, we can amend them, we can pass new 201 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:57,600 legislation, but we can't say this isn't perfect. You know, we can't 202 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:03,159 let perfect be the enemy the good. We have to continue forward and continue 203 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,880 pressing Congress, continue pressing the government, advocating for truth and transparency and open 204 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:14,519 and honest government. Right right, here's a it's a good question. I 205 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:23,359 asked people if they'd put questions in caps and how's how's the dog doing that? 206 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,720 Very soon? Yeah, I have somebody coming to help with kids, 207 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:33,240 putting the kids to bed and stuff, so but hopefully you have very soon. 208 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:37,359 Okay, So here's I think it's a good question. Uh, we 209 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,000 don't really know who would be on the board or do we have any idea 210 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:47,279 who would be on that board? Well, I see the question here is 211 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,160 so the Shoamer board. It's not the Shoamer board, with all due respect, 212 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,559 U is the presidential board. So the President of the United States in 213 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,759 this case, Joe Biden, will nominate the nine people that will sit on 214 00:17:59,839 --> 00:18:03,480 this board and then the United States Senate will confirm them or or not. 215 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:10,319 So we have lots of people that are going to probably be you know, 216 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,160 transmitting recommendations to the President United States and the White House. Daniel Shehann and 217 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:21,440 the New Paradigm Institute as one of those organizations that will be recommending people to 218 00:18:21,519 --> 00:18:25,799 the White House for people who should be sitting on this board, which will 219 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:30,079 include a host of people of you know, a diverse sector of people that 220 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:37,000 are all civilians that have various experience and you know, sociology and history and 221 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,279 various things. So we're gonna have to wait and see. I mean, 222 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,960 first of all, we have to get this amendment passed. Once it's passed, 223 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,240 then we'll advocate for the people who should be on the board, and 224 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:53,119 then we will advocate you know, for or against whoever it is that the 225 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,960 President United States nominates to it and when it goes before the Senate for them 226 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:03,519 to confirm. So where does it do we know when this is going to 227 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:11,279 be voted on? Well, we don't know exactly, but I think we 228 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:15,880 should run under the assumption that probably by Monday, December eleventh, the dial 229 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:22,000 will be cast because the House is scheduled to leave on recess on Thursday the 230 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,839 fourteenth, I believe it is. So we still have a little bit of 231 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,680 time to advocate and you know, convince members of the Congress that they need 232 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:37,799 to support the Schumer Rounds Amendment and do so as it was written by Schumer 233 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,759 Rounds, Mark or Rubio, Christian Jilbrand and others, and say that this 234 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,279 is this is the legislation that we want, This is the one that we 235 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,599 demand and needs to be included. Yeah, yeah, So it's kind of 236 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,880 like whatever someone can do to help out there. We had information in our 237 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:59,279 last show on you know, Twitter handles things like that, but I mean 238 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:06,039 phone call anything, any type of agitation basically that you can give. That 239 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:11,119 you can give your representative, your senator. You have to basically work in 240 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,039 your district's type of situation. Right. Anything can be found online though through 241 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,720 searching wherever you live right right. But there's a lot of easy ways to 242 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:26,839 do this. For example, Danis Sheehan's new Paradigm Institute, there's a call 243 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,720 to action on the homepage. You click that button, and all you have 244 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,039 to do is put in your name and your address and zip code, and 245 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:40,359 it will organize for you who your representative is in your district and your two 246 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,359 home state senators, and it will automatically send a pre filled out letter that 247 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,440 you can also amend and add your own personal like you flavor to it, 248 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:55,960 but it'll send the email to each to your representative into both of your states 249 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:02,200 or your senators at Congress and send them that letter. So that's what we're 250 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,000 advocating for to do. But we could also have people, you know, 251 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,559 handwriting letters, because that also means a significant amount of time and investment and 252 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:17,279 care and cause that you know the district offices, will you take into account 253 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,680 that you have taken that time to do so so, but also make phone 254 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,000 calls, you know, write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper 255 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,640 in your district and advocate for transparency from the government and from your representative and 256 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,279 your senators, that this is an issue that you care about because it stands 257 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:40,920 way beyond just UAP. This is something that you know affects all of us 258 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:47,359 in a much deeper way in terms of government transparency and having an open and 259 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,519 honest government that works for us rather than working against us in this in the 260 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:57,519 sense that it's keeping secrets and its hiding secrets to protect itself so that we 261 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:00,920 don't know what it's doing. So we're not issue advocating, we're not doing 262 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,440 things. We're not voting, we're not we're just sort of like walking around 263 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:12,359 and not you know, being participants in our democracy. And so do you 264 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:18,920 you know, you obviously watched the show last week, and do you agree 265 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,440 with a lot of what he of what Danny said as far as you know 266 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:32,279 that that you know there's there's money involved here. At campaign funds things like 267 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,880 that. Do you do you think that they're actually also do you believe that 268 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,960 they're playing a part in what's going on here? Well, I think in 269 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:47,039 the term, you know, with regards to Mike Turner in Ohio's tenth district 270 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,920 and Mike Rogers in Alabama's I think the second district absolutely, you know you're 271 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,559 talking about. I think Mike Rogers has taken something around two point four million 272 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:06,079 dollars from offense military industrial complex donors. That's a significant amount of money over 273 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,200 the course of you know, his career in Congress, and I think Mike 274 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:12,519 Turner is probably taking about something like one point seven million, I believe it 275 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:18,000 is. That's a significant amount of money, you know, I mean money 276 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:21,720 crops. But I have to tell you that I think it runs deeper than 277 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:26,799 that because and this sort of gets back down to the more base level about 278 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:32,839 government transparency and what it does and working for you or working for itself, 279 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:38,920 is that you know, some of these people are more Niccolo Machoevellian than they 280 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:45,200 are Thomas Jefferson. They enjoy having that information to themselves, but they don't 281 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:51,599 necessarily want you to have it. They think that they are in a position 282 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:57,200 to determine what information that you should be allowed to have, and it's a 283 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:03,359 source of power and psuasion and a way for them to maintain that power. 284 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:10,920 But it's also a symptom of a government that we have that is really has 285 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,920 you know, this sort of unelected bureaucracy within it that churns and continues to 286 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:22,720 perpetuate this lie of you know, UFOs, which is something that they actually 287 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:27,640 created themselves. They created this stigma to have people not believe that this is 288 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,839 true, to make fun of each other so they can't have a public discourse 289 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:34,400 about it. And this gets back to them having this power because it's protecting 290 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:41,000 itself because if people were talking about UFOs and something being out there and not 291 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,920 being ridiculed about it, they can make an issue of it and an election 292 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:48,359 issue of it. So what they want to do is make sure they tamp 293 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,160 down on that and say, now that's stupid, that's ridiculous. And you 294 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,480 know, they've had Hollywood buy in, They've had you know, all kinds 295 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:57,759 of buy in to help perpetuate that myth. But it's really what it is 296 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,160 is a disinformation campaign against the American public, which is illegal. But to 297 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,240 continue to get away with it right, you know, for the person that's 298 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,000 new to this subject, and there's a lot of people that are. I 299 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:15,359 always have to keep that in mind. You know, the Robertson panel was 300 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,640 back in you know, nineteen I want to say, was it fifty three? 301 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,880 I think it was nineteen fifty three, and that basically that panel was 302 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:32,960 all about coming up with ways to get people to look away from this topic 303 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,799 or be afraid to talk about it basically, So that's where all the ridicule 304 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,000 basically started in nineteen fifty three Robertson Panel. You can look that up, 305 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,160 just google that. But it's an interesting way that the government was trying to 306 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,880 steer people away from you know, reporting and talking about it and turning it 307 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,480 to so they were embarrassed, would be embarrassed to talk about it. And 308 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,359 that's why the stigma is still out there today. The reason why was because 309 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:07,599 nineteen fifty two there was so many UFO sightings, it was just incredible. 310 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,640 It was a banner year, and they just didn't know what to do, 311 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,599 which way to turn, and so that's what they came up with. And 312 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:22,000 so that's so you can basically say since nineteen fifty two, that the topic 313 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,519 has been pushed as something the tinfoil hats would be interested in and all that. 314 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,880 But I don't know if you were looking at this topic at all, 315 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,119 Kevin, prior to the New York Times article coming out in twenty seventeen. 316 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,680 But you know, before that, I would say the less ridicule. Now 317 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:48,440 there's still some ridicule, but much less. Ever since that article came out 318 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:55,480 in the Times and people started looking at this, you know, without you 319 00:26:55,559 --> 00:27:00,279 know, without thinking it was just a big joke. Yeah, that's absolutely 320 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,599 true. I mean, I think the veil of sort of that wall that 321 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:08,400 was built up to ridicule people and you know, put them in the corner 322 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:12,400 with the dunce hat on the tinfoil hat and say these people are crazy and 323 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:18,599 stupid, so they don't discuss it that it's certainly, you know, that 324 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,160 veil is sort of you know, lifting, but you know, it is 325 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,680 still there because the vast majority of people, you know, we're talking on 326 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:30,559 this podcast and we engage on UFO, Twitter and all these other social media 327 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:37,440 you know areas, but we're a small segment of society. Most people are 328 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,039 not paying attention to this issue. But which gets back to sort of more 329 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:47,279 of the disinformation campaign, which is you know, wrapped in the mainstream media 330 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:53,160 and the legacy media and convincing them that they cannot cover this issue one for 331 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:59,160 fear of you know, damaging their prestige and talking about something is you know, 332 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,440 ridiculous, silly as UFOs, but also that they're afraid that you know, 333 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,359 certain reporters and things are afraid that they're not going to get access to 334 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,079 the information that they've been privy to from places like the Department Offense or the 335 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:18,480 intelligence communities, or other defense contractors there or other inside sources that are you 336 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,039 know, tangentially involved here. That it's like Ross Coltart talks about, you 337 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,519 know, the drip, where if you're not getting this information, you're kind 338 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,839 of your writing career as a reporter is kind of finished. So you're going 339 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,559 to keep wanting that drip. You're going to want to keep getting that information 340 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,039 from that source, so you're not going to go against that source and report 341 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:41,799 against something that goes against them, which would be the truth, which is 342 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,720 that this is a reality, that this is happening, that this is here, 343 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,200 and you know it's in our atmosphere it's in our waters. The part 344 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:57,599 that you said about earlier, you were talking about you know, USOS, 345 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:04,119 you just said waters. But also along those lines, isn't it supposed to 346 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:11,759 be like they call it the All Domain Anomaly so that would include supposedly include 347 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:17,039 USOS. Yeah, I mean it's sort of like one of those Pentagon sort 348 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,519 of clever names that they come up with. I mean, they had the 349 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,240 am swag or you know what, they have, all these clever names that 350 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:30,359 they come up with to sort of continue to obfuscate and you know, confuse 351 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,720 people as to what's really going on. But the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office 352 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:41,680 was officially enacted as part of the National Defense Authorization Act, sort of like 353 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,319 what we're trying to do this year, but it was last year. It 354 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,039 was in December as well, and I think the President of United States signed 355 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,799 it. Joe Biden signed it on Christmas Eve, actually December twenty fourth. 356 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,160 And in that piece of legislation, it established, you know, formerly the 357 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:06,240 AAROW Office, which would investigate you know, essentially disinformation campaigns going back to 358 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,920 nineteen forty five, which would predate Roswell, would investigate crash retrievals, It 359 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,880 would investigate reverse engineering programs, you know, a whole host of things. 360 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:27,440 So what I would say is that ARROW as it was written into law has 361 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:37,039 not fulfilled its legislative intent. It has you know, filled its office with 362 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,839 people who are in the intelligence community, like doctor Sean ka Patrick. You 363 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,839 know, I was in an event a couple of weeks ago where doctor Kirkpatrick 364 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,839 was you know, you know, speaking with a sort of a Q and 365 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,440 a thing back and forth with Washington Post reporter and it was at George Mason 366 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:07,039 University. And who was in front row It was the public affairs person from 367 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:11,440 the Department of Defense, which is Susan Susan, yeah, right handler. 368 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,920 You know she's sitting there taking melts. I mean, you can't make this 369 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:22,519 up. You know, there's a wordsmith salad thing that they do of all 370 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,119 these different names, and they just play these games, and they just keep 371 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,240 playing playing this game. So you know, I don't know. One of 372 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:36,440 the things I thought when I ran the Shermer clip you know, a few 373 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,640 minutes ago, was he made he makes a very good point. If there's 374 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,000 not transparency, there's going to be disinformation, and of course, you know 375 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:51,880 there's going to be more conspiracies, probably worse conspiracies than the things that they 376 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,000 really know, you know, So, uh it is it does seem like 377 00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:05,799 it would be in their interest not to have that headache of all the disinformation 378 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:10,920 that could come about by not having this thing. However, I totally get 379 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:19,000 you know what Danny mentioned last week, where you know these are in they're 380 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:23,359 in people's pockets. There's no way they're going to and you made a really 381 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,720 good point too about the information. They just may want to hang on to 382 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,799 that, but also because it's like a power type of situation. But also 383 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:38,960 if they actually do have this incredible technology that they're working on, it would 384 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,279 be like the last thing in the world, and they would fight in every 385 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:47,279 which way. I believe I'm just guessing here theorizing, but I would say 386 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:52,160 that they'd fight in every which way they could possibly fight to hang on to 387 00:32:52,920 --> 00:33:00,759 this otherworldly technology if it does exist. Your thoughts on that, yeah, 388 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:07,440 well, yes, I mean the military industrial complex is about weapons and weapons 389 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:13,559 platforms, right, I mean, that's what they do. So if the 390 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:20,279 allegations are true that we have recovered craft and we have seeded them to defense 391 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:28,680 contractors, then obviously the ultimate goal is to build weapons and weapon platforms and 392 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:34,519 first rike capabilities. That that's just awful if you really think about it. 393 00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,799 I mean, my producer and I talk about this all the time. That, 394 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,079 yeah, it's just all the different ways we try to figure out to 395 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,519 kill each other. You know. It's so it's so brutal, you know, 396 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,480 and no wonder they don't want to ever show themselves to us, you 397 00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:57,000 know, whoever they are, just because of our tribal you know, our 398 00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:01,200 ways. But you know, no money is the big control or here the 399 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:07,719 money, and you know, whether it comes to natural resources or whatever, 400 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,480 there's always there's always a struggle. There's always you know, one one way 401 00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:19,239 to conquer the other, you know, that type of situation. So what 402 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,000 are your thoughts? Do you think there really is this? I'm just asking 403 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:27,360 for your opinion right now, your personal opinion. Would you think there's a 404 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,400 pretty good bet that this there are some of these craft out there, or 405 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:37,480 you're just interested to find out. Well, personally, I'm convinced that there 406 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,039 are. Yeah. I mean, okay, I'm not advocating for the truth 407 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,639 to find out that there's nothing there. I'm advocating for the truth because there 408 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:52,559 is something there. You know, look, Senator Schumer, Senator Rounds, 409 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,679 and other Senators that participated in the drafting of this amendment, which is sixty 410 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,719 four paid as long somebody writes an amendment like timber Shehett, it's three paragraphs. 411 00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:08,800 You know, an amendment isn't usually something that's so elaborate that encompasses sixty 412 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,840 four pages. It doesn't talk about non human intelligence. And you know, 413 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:22,119 all these various components of this amendment, if they don't already know that this 414 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,079 is true, I mean, anybody that tells you I see it on you 415 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:31,280 know, Twitter and other things where you know, some people make the argument 416 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:37,840 that somehow, you know, Chris Mellan and Louel Sando and David Grush and 417 00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:45,280 these other people have somehow convinced really very sober, powerful people like Chuck Schumer 418 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,199 that this is, you know, a reality, when it really isn't. 419 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,679 Is just on its face preposterous and it's so absurd to even make that example. 420 00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,679 You know, this is a reality. Chuck Schumer, Marco Rubio, 421 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:07,559 Christen gillibrand Mike Rowns, these people would not put their names to a piece 422 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:13,480 of legislation and advocate for it. You know, Senator Schumer got on the 423 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:20,400 floor a couple of months ago talking about the amendment, and he listed about 424 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,679 four things that was in the NDA and other piece of legislation coming at the 425 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,800 end of the year that were a vital, critical importance. This was one 426 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,599 of them. He's not going to advocate this if it's not true. He 427 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,000 knows he's a member of the Gang of Eight. They've had whistleblowers come forward, 428 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,559 They've had any number of other people you know, come forward, and 429 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,960 they've had investigations. They've been doing this for you know, three or four 430 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:51,079 years now. You know, this isn't a joke. This is real. 431 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,079 This is what's going on. This is what they're pushing because they believe the 432 00:36:54,119 --> 00:37:01,760 American public need to know what the government actually knows about this issue, right 433 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,719 you know, I I'm trying to put in this amendment PDF, and I 434 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,559 got to tell you that I had posted it last week and I'm just putting 435 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,719 it right now and so people can see it at least on YouTube and I'll 436 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,679 put it in the show notes. But what happened was that sixty four page 437 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:27,360 PDF all of a sudden goes nowhere. So I don't know what happened to 438 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,920 the link, but I found I found a new one and I just posted 439 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,440 that in the Live. So yeah, check that out. That is so 440 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,000 thorough, you know what I mean, it gets it anything. You know. 441 00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:42,239 I had this question, I think I asked Danny last week, was 442 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,719 you know, is there any way that they can you know, try to 443 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,280 bury this stuff, you know, try to hide it, try to disassociate 444 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,599 themselves, maybe start a new corporation and kind of push it off onto them, 445 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,199 you know, that type of situation. He says, No, the 446 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,880 Schumer gets right in. Schumer's thing, gets right in there to every which 447 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,199 way, so they can't there's nothing they can do to basically, if they 448 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,119 have it, they've got to come clean with it. And I think that 449 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:14,559 would scare anyone, like you're talking about the industrial military industrial complex, anyone 450 00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:17,880 that's vested in this thing. You know, they're they're going to try to 451 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,880 figure out different ways to stop this whole thing from happening. So well, 452 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:29,360 you know, yeah, I mean the eminent domain issue is you know, 453 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:36,280 is significant because there's an enormous amount at stake for you know, all the 454 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,079 parties involved. You know, we're talking about you know, if Lackie Martin 455 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:52,119 has as has been alleged a piece or intact piece of technology or whole technology 456 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,480 and it was seeded by the government, then you'd have all kinds of people 457 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:05,639 very upset, like the tech industry saying you gave Lockheed Martin or specific industry 458 00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:12,880 this technology and give them unfair advantage in the composition industry. You also have 459 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:20,599 other issues involved here where if Lockheed Martin is filing SEC filings and saying, 460 00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:22,000 you know, this is what we're doing, this is what we have, 461 00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:25,639 what we're working on. Obviously they don't get into some of the black budget 462 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:32,599 issues because it's national security and top secret, but there is probably a significant 463 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:40,320 amount of potential danger there to these companies. Because they have shareholders, they 464 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,320 don't want to open themselves up to shareholder lawsuits. So, I mean, 465 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:51,239 this disclosure process isn't isn't easy. It's not as simple as saying to the 466 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,119 public, this is you know what we know, this is what we have, 467 00:39:53,320 --> 00:40:01,239 this is what we don't know because it has why spread repercussions that even 468 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,639 if we sit down and try to gain plan all those repercussions, we might 469 00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:08,480 not even think of all of them. You know. Let's just say, 470 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:17,039 for example, that people have had you know, actual physical contact with some 471 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:23,039 of these UAP or pilots of U A P, let's just say, and 472 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:30,199 they've had physiological or psychological impacts as a result. If we acknowledge that reality, 473 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:35,719 what's that impact on the insurance industry. They're going to have to start 474 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,960 covering you know, medical benefits and things that aren't even you know, written 475 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:45,280 into all the underwriting and things right, also life insurance policies. I mean, 476 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,400 those are just a couple of examples here. But you know, when 477 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,280 we talk about the disclosure and just everybody should have all the information all at 478 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,719 once or something like that, you know, there are significant issues involved with 479 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,880 you know, with that happening. And so to get back to the Schumer 480 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:07,920 Amendment, it's what we would call a controlled disclosure over a period of time 481 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:14,400 that allows for us to sort of digest not just the reality of this information 482 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:19,920 for the public, but also for you know, industry and legislation and regulation 483 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:24,800 and everything else to catch up. What not passing the Schumer Amendment does is 484 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:34,840 potentially open the doorway to catastrophic disclosure, which is a plethora of whistleblowers coming 485 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,719 forward and you know, just putting all this on the table and then we're 486 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,239 all like, oh my god, right, and then the chips fall down 487 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,039 on the table and you see where they land, and then we might be 488 00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,079 in trouble. So it would be the best interest of Mike Rogers and Mike 489 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:59,400 Turner and Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell and everybody else involved to 490 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:06,760 pass this amendment and get this information out, but do so in a responsible 491 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:15,440 way that doesn't recap it. Now. Last Wednesday, someone sent me an 492 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:22,199 email and said one of the MIC's uh changed his course and now is you 493 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,079 know, agreeing that we should have this? Was that just like a rumor 494 00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,079 going around? Do you know? Do you know anything about that? So 495 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,920 I think I can't say for sure exactly what you're you know, your listener 496 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000 or audience member was saying, but I'm going to presume that they were probably 497 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:45,480 talking about the press conference last week with Timbershed and Representative Luna and Moskowitz and 498 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:53,559 others, where I believe it was Representative Gates said that Representative Rogers from Alabama 499 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,800 was on board with their amendment, which would be the Bush That's what it 500 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:06,079 is. So that's a bit of a ruse though, right. Yeah, 501 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:09,360 if you could say, you know, Michael or Mike Rodgers, Representative Mike 502 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,519 Rogers from Alabama District two, is on face or is in favor of disclosure 503 00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:22,440 because he supports our amendment, that's that's be that's bs right, because we 504 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:29,360 already know that the Burshett Amendment has many, many deficiencies that allows you know, 505 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:35,119 the gatekeepers to travel through these Swiss cheese holes and not provide any meaningful, 506 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,119 substantive information in the public. So saying that somebody switched their position, 507 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:47,360 that's sort of you know, what these chameleons do in Congress is they they 508 00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,639 make themselves look like they're doing something. You know, it's it's three card 509 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,800 Monty's what it is. Yeah, I do believe that those people you mentioned, 510 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:05,320 Luna er Chet and they all seem very interested in this, uh and 511 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,239 this happening, you know, I mean, and they all see they're really 512 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:13,360 pushing for transparency. So you know, I mean, I'm so glad that 513 00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:19,159 this is a bipartisan situation, you know, where you can't really point the 514 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,639 finger a it's just the you know what I mentioned in the monologue when I 515 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:29,039 started how divisive our country is. So it's like it's not you know, 516 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:35,719 Republicans against Democrats. It's like everybody's on board with this happening. And just 517 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,800 like you know, Schumer said in the beginning that there's great public interest in 518 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,719 knowing what these things are. And uh, but but the end, So 519 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,639 if if I made, if I'm made to say real quick, yesh, 520 00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:52,719 you go ahead. You know, yeah, when I speak about the brushett 521 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:58,480 amendment or that press conference from last week, it's not meant to disparage Brushette 522 00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,719 or Luna or Moscow or Gates or anybody else. It's just I think that 523 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:10,039 their their amendment is me be well intentioned, but it is not. You 524 00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:15,480 know, it's not hitting the target and it's not going to result in what 525 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,760 they hope or intend that it will. So but all you finished. But 526 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,079 I would love to talk about the bipartisanship about this because although you know, 527 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,760 Senator Schumer was talking yesterday on the Senate for about you know, House Republicans, 528 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:35,840 it's really about a handful of House Republicans, But this really is a 529 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,440 very bipartisan issue. But please go go ahead. No, I think that 530 00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:44,400 was I was kind of wrapping up right there, you know that. You 531 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:50,519 know, I'm just happy that it's not. I just think that there is 532 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,559 great public interest in this. But then again you were speaking, You're right. 533 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,480 You know, us on there that tweet out or x out whatever you 534 00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,679 want to call it today on Twitter or x whatever it is. Uh, 535 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,760 we are a very small percentage. Yeah, you know, it's just And 536 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:14,760 so with that in mind, do you see this type of situation and other 537 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:22,280 avenues of what you look into whoever you advocate for other other similar things or 538 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,159 is this kind of like a thing on its own because of the implications of 539 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:35,360 it. Well, this is very unique, but I think there are avenues 540 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:43,400 to reach way beyond, uh, sort of this niche community within like the 541 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,760 social media, whether it's you know Reddit, Reddit actually has you know, 542 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,239 if it's like our slash ufo, you know, a gigantic following, but 543 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,280 you know you have ufo, Twitter, you have Instagram and Facebook and there's 544 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,360 so there is a community. What it is relatively small in comparison to the 545 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,280 rest of our country. So what we have to do is find a way 546 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:12,840 to reach beyond you know, this sort of echo chamber where we're all sort 547 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,599 of talking about the same thing. Whether I'm on your podcast, or it's 548 00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:20,159 Danie Chan or you know, Ross Coultart or Lewis Alzando or Chris Nolan or 549 00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:22,280 anybody else. You know, the Richard Dolans and all these people going on 550 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:28,039 shows and you know, talking about these things and you have really the same 551 00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,519 audience over and over and over again. We have to reach way beyond that. 552 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:37,079 And so it's my opinion that we have to go to the American public 553 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:43,880 and talk to them about this issue. But we can't just jump out there 554 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,440 and scream aliens. We have to talk. You know, we have to 555 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:52,280 sort of bring them along with us, because we're already you know above like 556 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:58,000 they're sort of like knowledge based, So we have to inform them and then 557 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,320 bring them along and then mobilize them. And you know, one of the 558 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,079 ideas that I have, and I hope that we're going to have an op 559 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,639 ed coming up in the Rosweld Daily Record soon talking about this, which is 560 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:17,599 that you know, people value and open and honest and transparent government. Polls 561 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:23,840 show that people have lost their faith in government institutions. We're at near or 562 00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:30,199 historic lows in faith in Congress, in faith in the Presidency, in faith 563 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:37,199 in the Supreme Court, the judiciary, and they've also lost faith in faith 564 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,559 and trust in the media. So what we have to do is go to 565 00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:44,920 the public or personally and make it appeal to them which they already know, 566 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,920 which is that the government is no longer working for them. We need to 567 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,480 bring them along to like lift back up that torch of liberty and say we 568 00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:59,880 are going to fight for this, because you're going to start working for us. 569 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,000 Because what right now the government hides behind sources and methods and national security. 570 00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:12,000 It is an impregnable legal shield that they use. The courts will defer 571 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,440 to it all the way up to the Supreme Court and say if if if 572 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:21,000 the government comes and says it's a matter of national security, we are going 573 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,559 to side with the government. That's no longer the case. We're going to 574 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:29,880 fight against that and say we're going to take this back from unelected officials and 575 00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:36,599 bureaucrats and say that just because we allowed somebody to pass a law that becomes 576 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,559 you know, gives authority to somebody, we're not going to let them hide 577 00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:47,320 the secrets anymore. And we're going to take this into districts and states and 578 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:51,960 advocate for it and make sure that people understand that we're going to fight for 579 00:49:52,079 --> 00:50:00,239 it. Right right, we have a caller online one and let's see Ken 580 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,280 from New York. We only have a couple of minutes. Ken, Welcome 581 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,400 to the show. You have a question for our guests. Thank you. 582 00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:14,000 Mit. Yes, I was curious with the situation with David Frava chasing the 583 00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:20,519 tic TAC and what appeared to be a launch platform from a submarine. Do 584 00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:27,320 you think that this technology could be our technology? And they were testing the 585 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:34,760 force against the Navy In my opinion though, you know, they have like 586 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,920 you know, you know, blue on blue and whatnot, and it would 587 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:45,440 be dangerous to test such technologies against ourselves with unwitting you know, friendly fire. 588 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:51,039 So most people, I think would say the answer to that is now. 589 00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:55,519 And you know, this isn't exactly new. People have seen tic tacks 590 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,440 or what we're calling it tic tax which is also looks like appropriate tank or 591 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,239 something like that, and you have reports that is going back to like the 592 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,679 nineteen sixties and seventies. We certainly didn't have that technology then. So what 593 00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:16,159 David Frevor and Commandery Trick and others saw, in my mind is not our 594 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,480 technology. It is not Russian, it is not Chinese. It is something 595 00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:25,519 else. And you know, we have evidence of other things being inside the 596 00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:30,840 waters of our oceans and possibly lakes. You know. When I was at 597 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:38,519 the Soul Foundation Supposium a few weeks ago, doctor Kevin Kanooth, who is 598 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:45,840 a member of the Scientific Coalition for UAB Studies and is involved with lots of 599 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,400 other things, you know, gave presentation about you know, sonar readings on 600 00:51:50,719 --> 00:52:00,840 an underwater submerged object that was about thirty percent larger than any attack submarine that 601 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:07,119 is in US possession and did not have a water signature that would indicate something 602 00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,360 actually moving through water. But they did have a radar ping on it, 603 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,440 and it was traveling at three thousand miles an hour three thousand, well twenty 604 00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:20,800 nine hundred and something. But yeah, you get to the point. I 605 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,320 mean, it's something traveling through water without displacing water, but was able to 606 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:30,519 pick up a radar signature on it and was traveling, you know, faster 607 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,239 than most planes can travel in the atmosphere, but in the water. So 608 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:40,519 you know that crazy. I think that people that assert that it was just 609 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,880 you know, an American submarine, it was some launch platform, and it 610 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:49,760 was some American device of some sort of a drone or something. You know, 611 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,199 it is just isn't paying attention, has it read the literature, and 612 00:52:52,440 --> 00:53:00,920 isn't doing anything about informing themselves about the historical nature about this phenomen not existing 613 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:06,159 for decades, if not hundreds or thousands of years. Right So, right 614 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,119 now we're just going to say goodbye, if you don't mind continuing on a 615 00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:12,599 little bit here, We're going to say goodbye to everyone over at KGr A 616 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,119 Radio. We'll be back next week with Michael Schratt and thank you all for 617 00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:22,719 listening everyone over there at KGr A. So yes, you know you mentioned 618 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,559 that. And I have a friend friend of this show too. He's been 619 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:30,639 on many times. And Mark di'antonio, he's an astronomer. He was on 620 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:36,320 a Navy submarine you know who Marcus, Yeah, he was, and he's 621 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,840 you know they had a fast walker or a fast mover or whatever it was. 622 00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:45,639 H and you know that was two hundred knots. That was you know, 623 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,079 back many years ago. I just have to say thank you to KGr 624 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:57,000 over there, and so you know, I mean, it doesn't surprise me. 625 00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:01,039 And when I had Scott Cassell, who was I had an encounter a 626 00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:07,199 USO encounter, a very very interesting encounter with a cubed object. One of 627 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:13,320 the things he said was that, you know, when this thing moved, 628 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,679 it should have displaced water. It moved away from him. He said, 629 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:21,280 he's been near Wales when they do that and it kind of swirls you around, 630 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,039 you know, and this thing did nothing at all, you know, 631 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:29,920 which I think is fascinating, which doesn't make any sense that we know, 632 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,119 of course, like someone said on one of my shows, there's no such 633 00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:39,639 thing. I think it was last week. Astrophysicists was on my show and 634 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,159 he said, you know, there's no magic. Aliens can't have magic, 635 00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:51,239 you know. So it's something that whatever the technology is in the intelligence is 636 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,039 that they know how to do that that we can't understand it yet. But 637 00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:59,679 there is a way to do it somehow, not displaced water, and to 638 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,760 go through at any speed you want. And that's always been a fascination with 639 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:13,000 me when I think about if say a UFO travels you know, forty one 640 00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,599 year, you know, four light years let's just say from the nearest stars 641 00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:20,039 four light years away, and they travel here, Well, there's an awful 642 00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,719 lot of debris between. Even though space is mostly empty, there's still debris 643 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,760 out there that they could run into whatever speed they're going at. It seems 644 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:35,119 like it would destroy anything. But it's probably the same type of situation that 645 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,760 they can go through the media, no matter what it is, whether it's 646 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:44,519 space or anything and not have any type of collision or friction or any type 647 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:49,920 of situation, which is really fascinating to really think about, you know what 648 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,800 I mean, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm not a nuts and 649 00:55:54,840 --> 00:56:00,519 bolts guy. You know, I work with the Scientific Collision for you studies, 650 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:06,960 and we have you know, a great group of scientists and engineers and 651 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,119 academics and things, and they're the ones that sort of study that, and 652 00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:15,079 they're like really super interested in all those nuts and bolts and how would this 653 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,440 work, how does this? You know, how did this do this or 654 00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:21,679 that? So I you know, I can't hypothesize about any of those things, 655 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,519 except you know, we talk about you know, anti gravity and various 656 00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,679 things, and we go back to like the nineteen fifties and there's a lot 657 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,280 of literature about this sort of thing, and all of a sudden it stopped. 658 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,960 And the question always becomes why did it stop? Because there's probably something 659 00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:43,519 to it, and there's you know, I don't want to hypothesis again, 660 00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:49,760 but there's probably something about you know, this technology that puts it in some 661 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,840 sort of you know, bubble that allows it to do what it does that 662 00:56:53,000 --> 00:57:02,440 defies gravity, that defies physics as we understand it probably doesn't defy physics entirely, 663 00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:07,239 but just as we understand it in terms of our engineering and mathematics and 664 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,079 things like that. But clearly something's going on where it's able to do various 665 00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:17,039 things like travel through the water without the water displacement, you know, do 666 00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:22,440 ninety degree turns, you know, going you know, mark five, traveling 667 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:28,559 from eighty thousand feet down to sea level in a matter of you know, 668 00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,679 a second, and traveling at thousands of miles per hour, and doing all 669 00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:37,920 the things that do it does that would transform a human If it was inside 670 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,199 of this thing without some sort of protective bubble of some sort, it would 671 00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:45,400 turn it into soup. So there's clearly something going on there that you know, 672 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,519 who was the wrote the book Managing Magic, I think it was Nicholas 673 00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:57,679 Redfern, you know, talks about this and obviously doctor Jacques Vallet talks about 674 00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:02,039 this, you know, numerous times in his books about what we see as 675 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,079 you know, this technology, we often think of it as magic or you 676 00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:12,320 know, in you know, medieval times, we might have thought about it 677 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,159 as like fairies or some other thing, because it is so inexplicable and we 678 00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:22,360 can't wrap our minds around how these things can do these things given the knowledge 679 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:29,480 that we have. Right yes, now, this is going back to this 680 00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:37,000 whole situation about the Schumer Act and all that, and this question is I 681 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:42,320 like his icon image too. I love it. Why the lack of mainstream 682 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,400 media coverage on this? And that's what I've been really puzzled by, you 683 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,719 know, I mean ever since July twenty six, when we were at that 684 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,360 hearing, it seemed like there was very very little coverage. It was such 685 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,840 a major thing to have a hearing on, and yet there was so little 686 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,639 mainstream media covering it, very little. You know, there's News Nation, 687 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,320 there's a couple of other ones I can't remember, The Hill maybe, or 688 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,719 some other channels that were covering this pretty well. But what the heck what's 689 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:20,000 happening with that? So News Nation has done in terms of you know, 690 00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:25,280 sort of broadcast internet news coverage. I would say that News Nation has been 691 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,599 leading the way. I mean they were the ones that had the first interview. 692 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,280 You know, it wasn't live, but it was recorded but you know 693 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,360 online for people to interact with David Grush with Ross coltheart. You know, 694 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:44,639 the original story was published in The Debris, which is another great publication or 695 00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:50,400 you know outlet who's leading the way on UAP and science and technology. And 696 00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:52,679 they led with the story I think it was in like June fifth or something, 697 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:59,360 and it was written by Leslie Kane and Ralph Blue and fall I'm sorry, 698 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:05,000 yeah, Rah Blumenthal and you know x an article and then uh you 699 01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:08,679 know they did some coordination with Ross because they were all sort of you know, 700 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,239 working the same story. So Ross followed it up, you know, 701 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:19,159 the following week. This Nation. But as to why The Hill has also 702 01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:23,760 done a great job with Joe Khalil and Merrick I'm gonna I'm gonna butcher the 703 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:34,000 name Merrik von ramakomp uh you know on the Hill. Sorry, but uh 704 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,400 so those three or four outlets have done, you know, a remarkable job. 705 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,960 The Politico has Politico has done a good job too because they've had some 706 01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:46,960 guest guest opinion op ads by you know, Christopher Mellen and a few others. 707 01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:52,000 But so as far as why the mainstream media isn't covering it, you 708 01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:55,519 know, we sort of touched on this earlier, which is that it's been 709 01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:02,840 made to be such a an issue of ridicule that they're afraid to cover it 710 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,679 for fear that their readers are going to, you know, say that they're 711 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:14,159 crazy and whatnot. But I think even more importantly that they're fraid of the 712 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:21,280 government no longer providing their inside sources to their reporters and giving them their inside 713 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,079 of information and their anonymous source articles and you know, according to anonymous sources, 714 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:30,000 you know, so and so said this about what the government's doing, 715 01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:32,840 and if they report on this, they're afraid that that source is going to 716 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,800 dry up and they don't get that drip. Like Ross coltheart referred to on 717 01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:43,960 Need to Know, which is also another great platform of great insight as to 718 01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:47,320 what's going on. Yeah, I hope that answers the question for whoever asked 719 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:53,280 it, right, Yeah, yeah, So, yeah, Bryce and Ross 720 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,079 have both been on the show. But Bryce and I go way back, 721 01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:01,039 and I'm really glad he he hooked up with Ross. It was a really 722 01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:06,280 they do a really nice, really nice job. Yes, always look great. 723 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,199 Maybe somebody. Yeah, you never know, you never know. Yeah, 724 01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:17,960 I've been I've been after Ross since uh let's see June June, and 725 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,440 been trying to get him back on the show. And he's just so so 726 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:29,000 busy, and he was going to try to be on next week, but 727 01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,519 it's just it can't happen. So I'll say, uh, you know, 728 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:37,039 I really have would really respect the work he's doing and hope to get him 729 01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,320 back, you know, within the next couple of months. He should be 730 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:45,360 on I imagine on this But he's always I've communicated with him a couple of 731 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:50,119 times over the last year. He probably doesn't even realize it, you know, 732 01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:53,519 he gets thousands of emails. But I met him at the Soul Symposium 733 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:59,239 a few weeks ago, and I wanted to ask him. I didn't have 734 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,960 an opportunity to say, you know, you travel back and forth between Australia 735 01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:07,239 and the United States so many times, like how do you like manage all 736 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:13,519 that jetla? Like like, yes, it's because it's so it's the traveling 737 01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:16,360 to Australia is takes. You know, you got to You've got to have 738 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,559 at least a couple of days to to try to get you know, try 739 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,400 to get back to normal, you know. I mean it's so yeah. 740 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:29,039 So someone just I'm not sure, I don't know this for sure, but 741 01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:32,960 this person is stating that the Grush will have a New News Nation interview on 742 01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,559 December eleventh. We'll be looking. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, 743 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:45,920 yeah, yeah, so uh yeah. I was a little bit worried about 744 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:52,880 David Grush being on you know, several shows because I I just was really 745 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:57,079 hoping that, you know, it would kind of just see where his thing 746 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,400 went first before he started talking on people's shows. But so far that I've 747 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,639 seen now, a lot of people sent me, you know, clips and 748 01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:09,800 things from Joe Rogan. I did not watch that. I don't know if 749 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,880 you watched it, but I did not watch that yet. But so far, 750 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,800 I think he's been really holding his own. I haven't seen anything out 751 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,119 there that makes me think, you know, think any less of him in 752 01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:24,639 any type of way or whatever. He has a solid invitation to this show 753 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,079 that I've sent through people that know him, and so he's aware of this 754 01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:33,440 show. He's uh, he watched he did watch one of my shows and 755 01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:38,559 talked about it with this person. But yeah, I hope to get him 756 01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:41,039 on at some point, I think. Well, to be honest, I 757 01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:45,280 don't have an inside track on that. So yeah, help you, good 758 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:51,159 luck with that, Good luck with that. Yeah yeah. But so you 759 01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:59,320 know, let's just say that this amendment passes or whatever. What's some other 760 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:04,599 things that you do while working for you know, transparency through your foundation on 761 01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:15,840 this well, so you know, the Schumer rounds UAPDA is not perfect. 762 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:24,519 It does have carve outs and caveats and ways to continue the cover up and 763 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,960 not divulge information to the public, which is you know that the president United 764 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:36,360 States will have ultimately authority to say no, just like the JFK Presidential Review 765 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:44,119 Records Board. And you know President Trump in twenty seventeen and President Biden in 766 01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:50,840 twenty nineteen both decided against releasing certain records, even though in twenty seventeen that's 767 01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:55,639 that was the timeframe that was up for all the records to be released. 768 01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:01,199 So there is potential we talk about JFK records. Yes, so the the 769 01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:05,079 U A, p d A, and the and the Presidential Review Board will 770 01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:12,480 be modeled after that. So there are problems with it in that we still 771 01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:18,239 don't have documents today that relate to the jfk assassination, because the President of 772 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,480 United States has the ability to say, you know, we're going to continue 773 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:26,159 to withhold that, so that will that would exist within you know, the 774 01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:30,679 Schumer Rounds Amendment, which is of course a problem. There are also other 775 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,840 problems too, But like I said, we're not going to throw the baby 776 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,519 out with the bathwater, and we're not going to you know, say, 777 01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:43,159 we're this is imperfect legislation, so we're not going to continue to advocate for 778 01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:45,199 it because we need to and we can improve upon it, you know, 779 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,480 as we move forward. And one of the things we can do is continue 780 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:55,239 to advocate for Congress to set up a Select committee or you know, short 781 01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:59,440 of that, we need to have the Oversight Committee and the Intelligence community, 782 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,800 you know, the House Select Committee on Intelligence, that the Senate Permitent Select 783 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:12,199 Committee on Intelligence. These committees to have hearings to get this information out of 784 01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:18,079 the public because you know, it's finally important that people know exactly what the 785 01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:25,119 government knows. But even more importantly is you know, they say that the 786 01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:30,920 cover up is more, is more important than the crime itself, And I 787 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,280 think that's one of the reasons why this secret has been kept for so long, 788 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:38,239 is that the government doesn't want people to know what it has done in 789 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,440 furtherance of this cover up. And the only word we're ever actually going to 790 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:48,960 get to know that is if we have real investigative committees doing hearings in front 791 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:53,199 of the public and letting them know, and putting people under oath and having 792 01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:56,800 subpoena power to let them know what it is that the government's done to the 793 01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:03,239 American people and particularly you know, certain individuals in the community over the decades 794 01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:10,639 of what's transpired in furtherance of this cover up. Yes, yeah, yeah, 795 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,920 I've always thought that would be, you know, the tough situation, 796 01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:20,479 like for them to excuse me, once it was found out that there was 797 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:26,600 things that were hidden and covered up, then they would just have so much 798 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,039 explaining to do, and you know, they the people would start thinking, 799 01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:34,680 well, what about this and what about that? And you know this happened 800 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,800 then or that person was you know banished for this reason for that, you 801 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:45,439 know, I mean there's so many situations somehow some now committed suicide it's right. 802 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,720 Yeah, yeah, that's happened. Yeah, so, uh, solve 803 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:58,960 advocacy. Can someone reach out to you for you know, just advice on 804 01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,560 how to help you know, I mean with this type of situation, are 805 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,279 you what I'm trying to say? You know, you You've gotten your documents 806 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:10,760 to me, But is there a reason people can contact you? Would there 807 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,640 be something that could help you with or anything like that on your website? 808 01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:17,000 Sure? So, you know, I'm working with a lot of different people 809 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,279 in this space. But you know, my intention is to do more than 810 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:26,520 just UAP advocacy. It's to talk about a whole host of issues and help 811 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,840 people, you know, in what we call edge sciences, which would include 812 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:38,560 consciousness studies and other issues. But you know, so I've also been working 813 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:46,359 with Raydall Nickerson, who is the director and self financier mostly of Aerial Phenomena, 814 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:53,479 which is a wonderful documentary, one of probably the best UFO documentaries that's 815 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:58,880 ever been made, which was about the aerial school siting in nineteen ninety four 816 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,159 in Zeba. You know, it's historic case because it's one of the most 817 01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:06,640 well documented. It's you know, John Mack, doctor John Mack from Harvard 818 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:12,199 University, went there. You know, it's it's a wonderful film. So 819 01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:15,319 I work with him. You know, it helps sort of promote his film 820 01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:19,680 because you know, he didn't get the proper distribution or release that he should 821 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,119 have gotten. Part of the had to do with the pandemic and the other 822 01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,840 legal issues that are involved with that. But you know, so he does 823 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:31,079 screenings around the country one night exclusives where he shows up personally, you know, 824 01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:34,760 discusses the film and does a Q and A afterwards, and he's got 825 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:40,399 one coming up in Oxford, Mississippi, on the seventh. I think, 826 01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:44,680 so I'm giving a little plug. But you know, it's a great film, 827 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,279 and I like working with people that are authentic and doing something that's good. 828 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,199 And I'm happy to work with anybody else that wants to work in this 829 01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:57,720 field, you know, and help them further the cause. Thank you. 830 01:10:58,079 --> 01:11:02,680 It's been really great having on night, and I'm really glad that you sent 831 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,199 the first email to me and we've gotten to know each other. It's been 832 01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:12,520 really yeah, stay here. I mean we've had you know, numerous phone 833 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,319 conversations over the last several weeks, like you know, like like you opened 834 01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:19,319 up with so I really appreciate you having me on. This isn't my normal 835 01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:24,079 sort of thing, but I'm happy to be on here because this issue is 836 01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:29,000 really important and I think the more people that are you know, intricately involved 837 01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:31,840 in this and can help facilitate, you know, this sort of process, 838 01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:34,560 you know, the more people that need to get involved. So I'm happy 839 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,600 to do it. Excellent, Okay, thanks so much, and I'll put 840 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:44,520 your information down in the show notes and the text below on these various platforms. 841 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:45,880 Thank you very much, Kevin, you take care. Thank you, 842 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,640 Martin. I appreciate it. Thank you. Sure think all right everyone, 843 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,840 So we'll be back next week with Michael Shrat And remember if you want to 844 01:11:54,920 --> 01:12:00,439 check out UAP cross Fire Thursday night on this you Tube channel and at kg 845 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,880 R A radio and that's at eight pm Eastern. Thanks so much, and 846 01:12:05,039 --> 01:12:32,399 remember to keep your eyes to the sky. M