Hello, and welcome to the show. My name is Martin Willis and I'm
your host, and we have Chris Christopher O'Brien on the show this evening.
He's really here this time. I got to tell you about last time.
Now, last time he slept, he overslept, didn't didn't set his alarm
or slept through his alarm or whatever. But you know, I mean,
there was a reason for that. He's doing he's doing well. Everything is
just fine, and he's here tonight. And that actually kind of worked out
in a way because thanks to the YouTube listeners out there, we had a
call in show, an unexpected one that I can't believe the amount of email
that I received and people saying do that again, So it started something.
At least I'm going to give it another try. I'm going to give it
an official try, and that will be on Saint Patty's Day and I hope
people don't drink too much of the green beer before they call. But that's
on March seventeenth, I believe that date is. So I'll announce that ahead
of time so you can get your questions ready or your UFO stories ready or
whatever it is, and we'll have a race as always does the call screening
over here. Great. I'm grateful for that. At KGr A Radio,
he'll be doing that and checking people as they call in for that again.
That's March seventeenth. We have a blog up on our website podcast UFO dot
com, and check that out. I think it's a It's one of my
favorite incidents, and that is the Father Guilt case, and it's about Father
Gill and UFOs and our blogger Charles Lear actually uncovered a couple of things that
I had never heard about when he was doing some research for this and Father
Gill. I don't know if anyone's ever looked into that. There's also I
posted on in the middle of the blog a video of him talking about the
event. He didn't really use the fact that, you know, he was
a man of the cloth, so to speak, to promote his authenticity.
He just said, if you don't believe me, that's okay, and check
out the video. It's really great. I wish I could have met him,
he passed away years ago. But another really great case that has happened,
an unexplained one and an interacting one. Actually there there was a flashlight.
I think they waved at it. It seemed like the beings were interacting
the standing on top of the craft. It's a real bizarre story, so
check that out a lot of people. Ironically, I think it's ironic that
there's a number of people that listen to my Antique Auction Forum podcasts that actually
listened to this show too. And I actually usually it's the people that listen
to my UFO shows, will they will, you know, maybe wander over
to the Antique Auction Forum and listen to those podcasts over there. But I've
actually had to go the other way around. The other day, I had
an email from someone, a long time listener to my antique show that said
he was looking wondering why I wasn't having new shows on my antiques and he
found the UFO show and he said it's fascinating. I never really thought about
it, but he says, I'm listening all the time. So I'm kind
of grateful for that anyway. So I'm going to start doing more of those
shows, and I'm going to be at a car museum next week working doing
a show over there as well antique cars, so that ought would be fun.
For now, I do want to thank everyone that helps out with the
show, and there's a lot of people behind seems. I'm grateful for all
that, and I also want to thank Race at KGr A Radio for the
great job he does, and Peggy who helps out with the Facebook page.
And a number of people have been asking me constantly every single week, you
know, as Alejandro Okay, Alejandro Rojas, So what's up with him and
what's going on? I don't really know, to be honest with the people
out there, I really don't know if if he's planning on coming back.
I really don't know. He may have, you know, changed a few
things with what he wants to do. For right now, I can't answer
for him. I'm trying to give him his privacy. You know. It
is a private thing for him whatever he does. So he doesn't really want
me to discuss too much on what's going on. But every single week I
get a lot of people wondering and they're worried about him. But I can
tell you this, you don't have to worry about him. He is doing
fine and we've had some great conversations. It's just that he I just don't
know what his future is as far as being on this show, as far
as me replacing him with someone else. I don't know if I'm going to
do that either. I may not. I may just continue like this.
I do personally miss the news updates, you know, on the shows the
way they were. I just it's I'm usually too busy during the week to
check on things and how they're going, so that that's always been helpful for
me when he fills me in on that. And you know, so I
may figure out something at a later time, but for right now, you've
just got a little ottle me here. And I do appreciate everyone that listens,
and I do appreciate everyone that supports a show as well. And for
now, I'm going to introduce our guests. Christopher O'Brien. He doesn't really
need much of it. He doesn't need much of an introduction. He's been
on many times, but he's got an incredible background. Wrote the best book
out there on cattle mutilations, really great one. I've read through quite a
bit of it. It's a big book. It's a great book. It
is the top notch, top notch work on that subject. We're gonna be
talking about all kinds of different things tonight, and Chris, I consider Chris,
a friend. He actually stayed at my guest house a few years ago
before I sold my house up on the mountain there, and we went out,
Chris, remember going out on the boat. How can you forget that?
Right? Right? That didn't last too long. We got stranded,
Yeah, in the middle of the lake, in the middle of the lake,
and you saved the day. I remember you doing your pirate hour or
whatever and waving life preservers and someone. Actually it was a pretty lonely day
on the lake out there. Remember that there was only like one boat a
mile away, and I came and rescued us. But yeah, yeah,
good times. But anyway, welcome to the show. And I'm glad you're
doing okay, and everybody else and a lot of people are concerned about you
when you didn't show up the last time. Yeah, yeah, Unfortunately,
I think I booked the show a little too soon after fairly uh well,
let's put it this way. Anytime you get heart surgery and it's uh,
it's kind of a big deal. Yeah, it was a fairly, fairly
routine procedure. Unfortunately, I developed arterial fibulation a year ago, and this
is a new procedure that's only been around for I don't know about fifteen years,
um where they actually go up your chroatic artery and go through your heart
and then o blake the nerve bundles that kick off the the you know,
the heartbeats, that the fibulating heartbeats. And so I was still kind of
down and out, and when I went asleep, I didn't set my alarm,
and uh, I just I just kept sleeping, and unfortunately I miss
the show. I really felt bad. I think I woke up at about
eight o'clock and I went, oh, no, that's right, that's right.
It was pretty funny. But I'm back. I'm back again. Yeah,
I'm back, and I'm doing really good. And I've got lots of
cool stuff been going on, and I'm looking forward to getting out of the
New York up state New York weather. Here. We just had a foot
of snow, and it's uh, you know, it gets old after a
few months, especially, you know, living in Arizona for so many years,
it's a little new and different. My cat doesn't like me anymore.
She was born in the desert, and she she just takes one step outside
and just looks at me and goes, oh, yes, I did that.
I lived in California for nine years and came back with a Chuala that
was not happy walking into snow. Just like exactly. I got the look
like what is this? Yeah? So yeah, yeah, but you're working
on all kinds of things as usual. Yeah, you're not the type of
guy that rests on his laurel. So uh yeah, So tell us what
you're up to these days. Well, you know, we've got the UFO
DAT project, which is the UFO Detection uh Data Acquisition Project, And basically
what we've been doing for twelve years is coming up in an affordable and um
you know and all you know, a state of the art, really an
affordable system that will detect burial anomalies. And basically there's triangulated cameras with a
multi sensor pack that's based on a Raspberry Pie and it's got a magnetometer,
an accelerometer and um, you know, complete atmospheric information and and it's all
tied into GPS, so you're able to triangulate, um, get the altitude
as a myth and speed and hopefully at some point we're also going to be
able to detect varying degrees of luminance, and then we'll also find out whether
the object is in some way impact in the orse pangnetic field and whether it's
uh, you know, got some sort of gravitational component. And we've got
our first system that packed many years of investigative work. Um. It's in
south central Colorado, and then this spring I'm going back back there and we're
going to put in the other two cameras and the multisensor package. So I'm
really really excited about it. And we've already been selling the product it.
Uh, we're not really doing this to make money. Everything is pretty much
at cost. And so we've sold one to a guy that is setting it
up to spring right next door to the Skinwalker ranch up there in Utah.
And then we have interest in uh we've got a guy that's in northern Utah
with a system, a doctor with a camera in San Pedro, which is
the southernmost part of La Is right on the beach, and we have interest
from Switzerland and Australia and Italy. And we're pretty excited because the systems are
you know, anybody can can afford it. It's not like it was when
I first started working on the idea. Twelve fifteen years ago, it would
have cost you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars. Because the technology has
has come down in price and gone up in quality and h these types of
systems are now attainable. And what makes our system really unique is it has
customized software that detects motion and then tracks the motion and sends a signal over
the Internet to the other cameras so that they can wheel around and with coordinate
data then go ahead and get a second and third camera angle on the events.
So this is a kind of information that if we're able to replicate it,
we could literally write a scientific paper with the help of an credential scientist,
a physicist, and this would be kind of the holy grail really for
scientific uthology is to be able to get the kind of data that is then
replicated and then presented for peer review. And this is a dream come true.
I often joke, you know, people say call me a uthologist and
I say, please, do not call me one of those people. And
they said, well you do invest again, I said, yeah, And
if I was a uthologist, I'd be coming up with a system like UPO
DAP. So take that for what it's worth. UM. And that's just
one of several projects that that we have going right now that that particular one
is the most exciting, I think, uh in terms of the impact that
it will have. I think on the field, people can spend anywhere from
four hundred to five thousand dollars and uh and have a you know, self
contained detection system that will allow them, um the ability to uh, you
know, like I said, actually gather scientific data of of anomalous very lobject
events. So that's that's one thing that I'm working on. UM. Now,
before we get into that, I know Ray Ray Stanfords listening now.
Alf'll call in later. UM. It seems like he just sent me an
email right now saying we're having audio cut in and out and I'm trying to
see if that is the case. Could you hear me? All right there,
I hear you perfectly here. But I guess it had been cutting in
and out. I'm not really sure why we have a great signal, but
it isn't what it is and we'll just move on. But r Rate,
you know, think of the money he had to spend back in the late
nineteen seventies. Oh my god. Yeah, Well he was my inspiration really
for this, uh, you know, Project Starlight. His program back in
the early seventies was in nineteen seventy seventy one, I think or seventy two.
It was well over a million dollars. In fact, I think with
the land and stuff that they had their outside of Austin, it was around
two million dollars that they had to sink into the project. And and now
we can do with much better technology, we can do all that for hundreds
of dollars as opposed to you know, seven figures. So, but that
whole concept of hard data, you know, gathering actual hard data. UM,
I was really inspired by by Ray's work, who he was decades and
decades ahead of his time. And uh and you know again I tipped my
hat to a lot of hard work that went into that particular effort. And
Ray is going to be uh if he if he wants, he can be
one of our my chief analysts. So when we get some good stuff,
let rate you on it for a while and uh and tell us if we
got something worthy or not. He's the best and in the field that analyzing
these events, especially photographic and um the other evidence h uh huh, yeah,
yeah, that's that's really great. UM. And these things I saw,
I try to put up a picture of of the uh, the unit
itself, UM, I can't get it wants to turn sideways in this for
where for some reason. So I was going to show that to everyone.
Um, is this was this your brain child all the way through? Did
you have a lot of people? Well, no, no, there's there's
a team of people that have been involved. UM, Wayne Holland back my
my my principal who I've been worked I've worked with for twelve years. Unfortunately
he passed away last year and that just left myself and Ron Olts, who's
our engineer. Ron's really the brains behind the software and and then matching the
gear with the software. He's the engineer and computer scientists. I basically am
the cheerleader and UH and I helped I help install the systems and then do
the some of the analytical work. UM. I've been taking notes from mister
Stanford for years and and I'm getting a little better at at determining you know,
what things are and UM, of course on the internet, ninety eight
percent, ninety nine percent of what you see is is not what it's uh
purported to be so, um, it's always it's always fun to try to
come up with a proper explanation then send it to Ray and and see I
feel confirmed. Yeah, so um but uh yeah, so it's it was
a three person project and now we're down to two and and um we also
are we haven't really joined forces with another group, but um, as soon
as we do be able to make an announcement on that. We have some
some pretty pretty interesting um inquiries about combining efforts with other other teams, and
uh that's of course we have something to announce. Yeah, we will.
Yeah, that's really great. And I have mentioned that to other people that
have have had similar um you know, not really units, but you know
you mentioned someone early here and uh I've been to Mark, to Antonio and
a few other different people that are trying to do something. You know,
we're all trying to do the same thing, get the same answer, and
it would be great if people get uh uh instead of compete or if that's
what it is, you know, to to combine, combine efforts and try
to get some more answers. So yeah, yeah, well Marks, he's
listed on our website as consultant for Astronomical questions and for analytical work. UM.
We love to get Mark uh, you know, as much involved as
he's willing to. UM, of course. UH. It's you know,
again, we really want to make this system available for as many people as
as as possible, because once we start producing data, UM, we'll be
able to really start punching some numbers and doing pattern recognition and and you know,
looking for commonalities and looking for um, you know, that quality grail
of scientific research, and that's repeatability and uh and that's uh, you know,
we need to get systems out there, and we need good an analyzing
going on after the data has been gathered. So Mark is uh is one
of a number of people that we've invited to be to be involved. UM.
Jaque Fleet kind of helped out a little bit, gave us some ideas
on some things to consider. Uh. And we've also had, like I
said, Rays has Um has been UM, you know, sort of pointing
things out and making suggestions. And you know, it's it's three steps forward,
two steps back, like everything in life. And uh, you know,
when when it's all being done on the h on the cheap, so
to speak, it's hard to get things done sometimes. But I think we
have a lot of nice forward momentum now. And and you know, we've
been approached by Kevin Day, who of course was the radar operator on the
USS Princeton during the Nimits tik Tak event, and he's going to be mounting
an expedition to Cataline Island, they're off the coast of California. And then
later on the following year he's going down to Guadalupe, which is in the
area where they have the Tiktac event. And we're going to be helping out
with some gear and and I think he's expecting at least one of us to
go along. I have good sea legs, so I wouldn't line. It
would be kind of fun. Oh absolutely. Hey what about Peter Davenport's,
you know, his passive radar idea that seemed like it was pretty pretty solid.
Yeah, actually I have an active radar idea really Okay, Yeah,
yeah, I know. I take a marine radar sticking on a pedestal that
is being fed coordinate data, so it'll, um, you know, pan
and tilt according to you know, where the actual GPS signal is pointing it,
and um, you put a marine radar unit on it. You're damping
the signal the three hundred and fifty degrees of the sweep of the radar unit,
and then have a window that's pointed right at the event and you can
sit there and paint it and get a return. They're good up to about
forty miles line of sight. So the San Luis Valley, where our first
system is going in, there's radar invisible blow eighteen thousand feet. We could
probably get away with it for a while. There is no radar in the
valley. The only problem is if our if our detection equipment detects an F
sixteen zipping down the Levita Military Operations Uh, you know MTR, a military
training route, I think the pilot would probably end up soiling yours and all
of a sudden he gets painted. Never thought of that. Wow, yeah,
we all know. Yeah, go ahead. Well I was just gonna
say, so, we need to check into the legality of doing an active
radar. Passer radar would be good too, especially on a slaved plat platform
like that. Uh, it would be um, it would be again,
it's just another tool, you know. It gives you another another set of
information. It gives you, you know, real accurate um, distance information.
Yeah, we have to go into breaking like two minutes, but um,
you know, prior to that, I would like to at least begin
talking about the San Luis Valley just because, um, we do have a
lot of new listeners to the show, and a lot of new listeners that
are not are just like new to the UFO topic. So well, if
you can fill in like for the and just listening for the first time,
what kind of hotspots are there are and including the San Luis Valley. Yeah,
we might have to save that for when we come back from the break,
because we're coming right up to it. Yeah, um, yeah,
well we'll do that when we get back. I'll go ahead and give them
a thumbnail sketch of the actual valley and the twenty five years of work that
I've been doing there. Excellent. Okay, so we're going to head into
break. This is Martin Willis and we'll be the right back, right back
right after these messages. I didn't tell you this, but we're still live
on YouTube. Okay. So that good thing you you held you about that?
Yeah? Yeah, um, so you say you're out in New York,
so we'll just talk about we'll get back to the San Luis Valley when
we come back. But you're in New York, have you paid attention.
I mean, there's that's there's a lot of activity in upper state New York.
Further aspect. Yeah, there's been some bigfoot reports. Um, we've
had a few siding events. Nothing near me. Uh. Cheryl Costa,
of course is just up the road, and uh, I think Syracuse,
and then Richard Dolan's just up the road in uh Rochester and Peter Robbins is
he's pretty close to me. He's up by Ithaca and uh. And then
I'm right on the border with the Pennsylvania whereas some people around here call it
Pennsyltucky. Uh. Uh And of course they've they've they've the northeast corner of
the state is uh has been a hotbed of activity on and off over the
years. Uh, you know north of wilkes Bury and Scranton, that area
north of there, and uh, I will be uh yeah, go ahead,
I'm sorry. Pine Borsch. Is that the name of the place I'm
thinking of. Yeah, that's in New York. Is that is that right
near the Hudson It's fairly close. Yeah, yeah, that was you know,
it's over it's over to the east on the Hudson there and near the
Hudson. I think it's on the other side of the Hudson. Actually,
Peggy that's been helping out for years with our Facebook page has she used to
live in that area and she used to talk about where. She's told me
stories about getting the lawn chair and like going out there was all these people
would just be sitting there and waiting for something to happen. A lot of
times it would happen. Yeah, pretty amazing. Yeah. I remember talking
with Ellen Crystal and Bruce Cornett back in the early nineties. And then when
I lived in Riverdale there was well actually I was in Manhattan by the time
when the waves started, but I had a friend in Riverdale and we go
up there and then head north up the Hudson to Undermer State Park there north
of Yonkers. Back in the mid eighties and early eighties when the when the
the Hudson Valley sidings who were happening, and I met a number of people
and had a couple of friends that actually had really good sidings. Uh,
and so I was always jealous because whenever I would go out and nothing would
happen and and then i'd you know, invariably somebody would call up and say,
wow, I wouldn't believe what we saw the other night. So you
know, it's just my luck, I guess back then. H Yeah,
but I never did get to see anything and chat. Someone wanted to know
what brought you to Upstate New York. Friend I've Yeah, my friend Fritz,
so I have known forty forty plus years. He uh, he was
kind of undergoing a health crisis and uh and was you know, needed a
little uh some help, and and I came and kind of did a little
medical early intervention and got him some care. He'd never been to a doctor
in his life. And he really, you know, he needed to uh
needed to be uh. I needed somebody to intervene medically for him. And
so he's doing much much better. He was not in good shape when I
first arrived here a year ago. I remember it's been almost two years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had the conversation. So, yeah,
I was glad to hear that he's doing really well. Yeah, much better.
Yeah, you did a really good thing by doing that. Yeah.
Yeah. I living in the desert about every thirteen fourteen years, I need
a couple of years. Break, you know, get off, get out
of the desert, get get into a place it's a little bit. Uh.
Here we go, better weather. Yeah, going back. We're ready
to go back, gentlemen, Martin, I got a guy in the chat
room, a KGRA. Yeah, he says, you look like Richard Drive.
I think that's a d y. I think that's a compliment. I'll
take it as one. When you took your hat off in your glasses,
I was like, hey, he does, he really does. Okay,
here we go, guys. Yet and we're right on time at sixteen twenty
nine thirty in five four three two. All right, everyone, welcome back
to the show. My guest tonight is Chris O'Brien, and before we went
into break, we were talking about the San Luis Valley in Colorado. It
is it down near four Corners, Chris. It is considered the northeast corner
of the Four Corners. Okay, so it is, yeah, yeah,
yeah. It's the the world's largest alpine valley. It's right above the border
with New Mexico and it actually goes below into New Mexico and down to Taos.
And it's about one hundred and thirty miles long sixties seventy miles wide.
It's football shape, completely ringed by mountains. The valley sits, the valley
floor is a seventh and six hundred feet and then the mountains go up to
fourteen a lot of them, and it's I'm arguably has a variety and intensity
of unexplained events that I've yet to find another place that rivals it. Some
people think sedonas is it has more activity, but it really doesn't. Relatively
speaking. Back in the early nineties, they did a the computer UFO network
did a a per capita rating of hotspot areas in the country for UFOs sightings,
and the Santonis Valley was two hundred and seventy one sightings per ten thousand
population. The next nearest was Bucks County, which is fifty seven. I
estimate that one in fifty UFOs sightings are reported. People actually have become used
to them and it's not that big of a deal, so people see stuff
all the time there. I had dozens of sightings in the thirteen years I
was there, including some daylight sightings that were just amazing. One little ship
scout ship there was one hundred and fifty feet away from it, flew right
in front of our car as we were driving. Um. It's the variety
of intensity and intensity of unexplained currencies there. It's just it's just it's jaw
dropping. I mean pretty much any type of UFO craft that has been reported,
you'll at some point somebody will see it. Um, all the all
the different colored orbs, from the real big green fireballs to the small ruby
red balls that zip around, and the orange ones that are medium sized,
and then a little smaller the the you know, the kind of incandescent it's
yellow. Um. We have fields of lights that light up that nobody's been
able to figure out what they are. There's thousands of lights that'll light up
a whole hillside blinking on and off like like um, lightning bugs or fireflies.
UM. And then Bigfoot and other crypto creatures elementals uh, small little
diminutive type creatures that normally associate with with Celtic countries. Um, what do
you mean by elementals? UM? Trooping fairies, UM, little guys with
green outfits on and sunburned faces. It's just some of the reports are just
mind blowing UM, and coming from really good experts or good witnesses, people
that are above above, you know, suspicion or approach, including a world
class you know, among the most famous musicians in the world. And he
was in his studio and he uh, he saw moving out of the corner
of his eye, and coming through the closed door was a line of He
said, they're about eight or nine inches tall. And he says, they're
about seven or eight of them, and they came through the door and in
a line, they marched right right by him, two feet away, and
then disappeared in the wall through the wall of his studio. He said they
were dressed in little robes and had these tall like keystone cop hats on.
And he said they all went to the wall, and then the last one
stopped and it turned around and it looked at him and gave him a dirty
look and then turned around a walk. I'm not making this up. And
he he had seen other things around his house and he he just he was
too embarrassed to call me. But he said after that, he says,
I I know you're gonna think I'm totally nuts. And you know, he
didn't drink, he didn't do drugs. He was a marshalum teenth you know.
Yeah, no, mushrooms. You know. He's a really spiritual guy.
Eyes black, you know, umpteenth black belt in karate and had forty
pattents. He had the pattern for the electronic guitar, was a keyboard player
on the Star Trek theme and on all the Golden Age of television stuff.
Six hundred film and TV credits. Not a lightweight and not somebody that you
would, you know, think was going to be trying to, you know,
cut hallucinate something weird experience like that. And it came out in the
heels of a bunch of stuff that had been happening around his house. And
it just so happens he happens to live by some sort of portal or doorway
to some other realm. It's right over the hill from his house. That
I was able to finally, after years of pinning it down, I was
able to id the actual spot talk about a place to put some gear.
That would be home. Man, I would love to put some gear there.
Boy. That is that is what. That's one of the strangest stories
here. I know, I know, it's it's just bizarre. Why do
you think there are locations You just mentioned a portal, a possible portal whatever
I just said, But why do you think there are locations where there are
hot spots and you know all these it's not unusual that there's other things besides
UFOs. And what is a UFO hot spot? Yeah, well, I
have a little formula that if you you can say these five things about a
place, it's going to be a hot spot area. It's a place that's
held is sacred to the indigenous people of the area, a place that has
sacred sites that go back into prehistory. A place that has ebing and flowing
waves of unusual activity, not just one thing, but but multiple things.
Um. It's also a place that has unusual geophysical properties, whether it's like
in the case of the Sand Valley, minimum and maximum magnetic field strength butted
up against one another in close proximity. And also in the case of the
valley, and also like places like Wiltshire and England, you have alternating layers
of water, clay and sand, which creates almost like a natural battery.
They really have a sense that veins of courts. There's tons of courts in
the songwriting Cristos. In fact, on super cold, dry winter nights,
it's pretty rare. I've only seen it once or twice, but you can
see the actual cold electricity grounding from the courts in the mountains going up into
the atmosphere. And so there's a lot of courts there. And usually an
area like this will have a military or government presence, and oftentimes the government's
trying to expand their presence further into the area to get more control of the
area. UM. So if you have those five things, chances are you're
gonna have a place like Sedona or around Mount Shasta, in other other spots
in the Pacific Northwest, Pine Bush, White Sands down in New Mexico.
There's some really cool places in Idaho and in Montana. UM there's places all
up and down the Ohio River Valley where your mound culture used to be located.
Oftentimes those mounds are on sites that have that those five elements involved.
So that's kind of a formula that you can use, and it's it's it's
interesting when when things are going to happen in the San Louis Valley, we
see these things I call cheap fireworks. They're like giant bottle rockets at fizzle
out and I've seen them below me in altitude complete uniform overcast sky, and
the thing arched over Spanish Creek, which is lined with free and it was
just dark enough so that you could see the light from the object was actually
illuminating the tops of the trees. These cheap fireworks tend to happen at the
beginning of a wave of activity, and then boom, we'll have the UFO
reports. We'll have you know, cryptocidings. One year it was flying humanoids.
We had a whole flurry of sidings. It's some of these undulating forms
that I call prairie dragons that people see they think, you know, they
usually see them out of the corner of their eye and so they don't really
pay attention. But I actually see looked right at one and it went right
in front of me. Then when the wave is over in a matter of
days or a week or a month, then you'll have more cheap fireworks to
kind of indicate the end of the of the cycle. So you know,
once you've been in an area like I was there for, you know,
doing full as full time investigating as I could, you start to if you're
writing everything down, uh, you can start to determine that there are some
patterns within the data and that you can you can almost see, um,
how things kind of unfold in an area like the San Luis Valley and there
there is a what appears to be a sequence of events that usher's in and
usher's out a wave. And I really do feel that the San Luis Valley
is arguably the has the most variety and intensity of unexplained occurrences anywhere in North
America. I have not heard of a place that has more and um and
intense too. I've had in the middle of a wave, I had seventeen
phone calls in one day about five separate events. Um, just to give
you an idea how active it can be. Yeah, how about that.
Um, you know that I've been to Four Corners and I've I've been up
to the shaft out a lot when I lived out in California to go up
to this lake area up there, um cisqu ciskqu that's the county. Yeah,
so I would go there quite a bit, and I do remember I
definitely remember feeling there was like I wanted to get out of Four Corners When
I went there that area something felt really it felt really weird. And this
is before I was looking into UFOs at all this as many years ago.
The same thing with Shasta. There are a few areas up there that I
just had just a strange feeling. Nothing else. I didn't see anything,
nothing like that. But but I do here there's a lot. Uh,
you know, since I moved out of that area, I heard there is
a lot in Shasta And I've never really heard of any main incident. Are
you aware of any you know, incident or is it just like things you're
talking It's just I mean, if you look at some of these stories of
the wind two and other natives in the area and then equate it to some
of the events that have been reported down to the years, again it ebbs
and flows, and it's fairly consistent there as well as around Mount Adams.
The big volcanoes for some reason tend to have this kind of activity. Mount
Saint Helens, Mount Rainier, Uh, those big mountains there along the the
Cascade Range and the Pacific Coast mountains. Uh, you know, do have
a lot of very interesting stuff going on. I can't really think of anything
offhand. Of course, you have your your apocryphal stories of the white robed,
white haired, tall, kind of Nordic looking the hitchhikers that some people
claim live inside Mount Shasta, and of course you do. Hey, someone
just posted something. We have to go to breaking now I'd like to let's
see how many minutes looks like seven minutes. So I do want to get
into this subject a little bit. And I wondered if you looked into it.
I think the last time you were going to be on we briefly talked
about it or passed an email about it. The drones, the drone situation
out there in the Colorado Have you looked into that at all. Yeah,
And a friend of mine is really doing some major digging on that. There's
there's something going on there, maybe some sort of espionage and may have something
to do with the Chinese. Evidently the US is now put a moratorium on
any Chinese drone sales. And I have a real strong hunt that there may
be a connection. If you look at a map or where the drone events
are being reported, and then look a map at a map of the missile
fields of our ballistic missile sites in Wyoming, Montana, on Nebraska and Colorado,
it's in the same area. It may be some sort of systematic you
know, I guess it would be espionage. Uh that's that's about as close
as I can get. It's also the hardested area back in the seventies for
cattle mutlations. Oh so um that that is a subject I did want to
talk a little bit about. But but wasn't weren't there reports of the actions
of these drones or some characteristics about them that where people were saying, well
that that doesn't sound like a drone or have you any part of that?
You have you heard about? Well? Yeah, some of them were pretty
large from what I understand that they were the real big ones and and they
don't have the high pitched wine that the the smaller ones like the phantoms and
the um you know, the smaller drones do they have a deeper a deeper
sound because the engines are bigger. So um you know this one group UFO
group, I think they came forward and claimed that it was them, and
I think they were just looking for publicity. This was a real extensive flight
program that somebody was you know, enacting. Uh it was. There was
a lot of activity and uh it it sounds like either some big corporation or
the government or maybe even another Uh like I said, it could be the
Chinese, the Russians, who knows. Uh. I haven't really dug into
it that much, but I have a friend who's really digging into it,
and he's he's been uncovering some pretty interesting stuff that he's going to do an
article or something at some point about it. It seems to have dropped off.
I haven't heard very much about it in the last three weeks or so,
right, So I'm not sure if those sightings are continuing or and we're
just not hearing about them, or they've they've actually subsided. I wonder if
anyone I believe I've read that someone did ask if there was any military,
you know, side of this, and they said, no, there was
nothing the military was involved in. Um, you know, but I guess
that's not true, because there were waves of drones and then other drones would
come and chase the other drones. So there were what appeared to be confrontations
drone on drones. So wow, um that Yeah, you don't hear much
about that, but you know, if these things are flying into restricted airspace
around whistle silos, you know there's going to be some sort of military or
government response. Yeah, right, Um, I don't know what I was
thinking about time. We still have about nine minutes left. I said seven
minutes about five minutes ago. I'm not good at math tonight. But wow.
Um, so, yeah, you haven't heard about anything happening with them
lately, and so so maybe it's something that won't occur again. But but
I know people, there are some people that are really looking for answers and
want to know what it is, what's going on. Yeah, I don't
know if you've ever been in that area, but it's it's really the middle
of nowhere. Where is it exactly? Again, it's right we're Nebraska,
Colorado and you know kind of Wyoming in Montana come together there. It's so
be m south western Nebraska, northeastern Colorado or northeastern Nebraska. Oh wait a
minute, I'm getting confused. It's right up there in the quarter of Colorado
World County and then over the Platte River into Nebraska and then I think into
Wyoming. And that's right where all the missile fields are. So it's right
around the missile fields. That is interesting. Interesting. Well, um,
yeah, we may not know much about that. So the cattle mutilations,
now, um, you just mentioned a few minutes ago that and the area
in particular was where there was a lot of cattle mutilations. Yeah, yeah,
quite a number of hundreds, hundreds, And and you are the guy
when it comes to that. Remind me, Stalking the Herd is at the
name of your book? Correct? Yeah, when did that come out?
How how long? I know we've talked about it on the show before,
but again there's a lot of new people. Yeah, how long did it
take you to put that book together? And why don't you talk a little
bit about that? Well? Yeah, it's probably my least favorite thing to
do in life is is investigate dead rotting cows. Um. It's it really
was not pleasant. But because back in the nineties we had so many cases
that were being reported and nobody was really looking into him, that I kind
of got caught up in the intrigue of thousands of pounds of physical evidence,
you know, and you know, it's the only supposed paranormal phenomenon on the
leaves behind you know, thousands of pounds of evidence. Um, And that
part of it just was very hard to ignore. And the ranching community really
was in need of somebody to to at least, you know, look into
it and try to come up with some answers and UM. By the time
I had really gotten going and had I don't know, several dozen of them
under my belt. UM, the local sheriff's departments realized, Hey, this
guy is willing to go there and and do the work and send off forensic
samples UM and and plant and soil samples. In a few cases, I
was part of a study and UM, and so they would literally kind of
call me and have me be the investigator. So I was getting everything right
from the police will sheriff's dispatch and UH and going out and and UM and
you know, helping trying to help the ranchers cope with it. It's it's
very scary. UH. When you know, good breeding cow is found um
with no sign of cause of death. Oftentimes its own tracks aren't even there.
UM. Sometimes they're in the wrong pasture. UH. And you know,
define soft tissue organ's gone with the dogs not barking, nobody's seeing anything
or occasionally lights are seen or helicopters. UM. This this is really spooky.
I mean, number one, the guy's out, you know, anywhere
from four hundred to one thousand dollars even more. Plus if it's a breeding
cow. Um that cow is not going to be having babies for the next
four or five years. So this is a real financial hit on you know,
these small ranching operations, and uh, you know somebody. I just
felt that somebody, you know, should be looked into this. And I
don't care what any of the skeptics say. Some of these cases, without
question, are being perpetrated by someone with intelligence and with the aid of sharp
cutting implements. One thing that you know, I literally worked twenty two years
researching the book, and it took me eighteen solid months to write it.
I combined all the known databases together. I was the only person that really
knew everybody and one exception. And you know, David Perkins helped me do
the research and was instrumental in helping me gain access to the main databases.
And this is the first time anyone has really tried to put all the information
together in one book and be objective about it and not just you know,
put blinders on and look at five or ten percent of the data that supports
an alien conclusion, or look at the cases that support a predator inclusion,
you know, mundane scavenger action. I looked at all the data, and
I tried to be as objectives as possible and non judgmental. And um,
you know, I'm really proud of the book. It's probably what I'll be
most remembered for. I good luck giant to top it. I mean,
you know, it's I'm proud of it. Yeah. Were there any cases
I've heard this before? And tell me if you've ever saw a case where
it almost appeared as if the cow had been dropped. Yes, many,
many, many, Yeah, at least a dozen, if not more.
In fact, we found a pile of three I think it was three,
three cows with horns and a horse, and they had been dropped in one
pile and the horns had been snapped off on the bottom side. The ribs
have been broken right next to the rib to the spine. Um, it
looked like they've been dropped from a considerable height. Um. We've had cases
of cows that appear to have clamp marks on their their rear ends, their
back and um and the rear legs. Um. We've had cows that have
their heads twisted around because they've been dropped in and landed in an awkward uh
way. Uh. Many of these animals do appear to have been dropped from
you know, a fairly considerable height. And of course, you know,
there's been so many helicopter sightings associated with the cases. UM and a lot
of times the ranchers aren't going to report these things because they know nothing good
will come of it, that no one's gonna come up with an answer,
no one's going to be you know, charging anybody. All it's gonna do
is give the rancher unwanted publicity. It'll make him look stigmatized and community and
so UM. Generally, I think now very few ranchers are reporting them,
but the ones that do report them, UM oftentimes they report because they see
helicopters. And you know, if they see helicopters and they think they're being
victimized by their government, UH, and so that that kind of ticks them
off, and they you know, an angry rancher will be more apt to
call UH and file a report than a rancher who's scared and so UM.
I really do think that there's a you know, it's maybe one in ten
or being reported. I think it's much more pervasive than UH than you would
think. UH. We've had cases uh lately in Oregon, which is highly
unusual. Anything west of the Rockies is fairly unusual. We've had cases in
central and northern Florida and southern Georgia. UM. There's been cases in Nebraska
about five or six years ago. We had cases in Missouri. UM.
We've had possibly some cases in southern Colorado, but I think they're equivocal.
I wouldn't I wouldn't count them in the in the totals. But we've had
we had some cases in UH in Europe. UM, we've had a cheap
mutilations in UH in Wales, which is, you know, the western part
of the middle of the Midlands in England. Um, did this up?
Did this? We have to go in one minute for for a break?
Did this all start with Skippy the horse? Is that what I remember?
No? Snippy? But it started started back in sixteen oh five is my
earliest case I can find. How All right, so we are going into
break. So this is a real break. UM. So hanging there and
hanging there. Everyone will be right back right after these messages. Welcome back
everyone. My guest this evening is Christopher O'Brien. And before we headed into
the break, we were talking about cattle mutilations and fascinating subject that another thing
that doesn't make any sense, that is happening, another thing in the real
world, I should say that happens that is so hard to explain. And
I saw some questions in the chat room and basically people who are asking,
what have you ever come up with a conclusion some type of conclusion or what
your thoughts are? Why why these things happen? Well, I think number
one, there is no hardfast answer. I have a sense that there's multiple
groups involved doing this for for different agendas, and they're all kind of interweaving
there their agendas with others and in some cases to try to throw investigators and
law enforcement off their track and m and hide their cases in and amongst others.
UM. I think there's a multiple of things that can be determined.
UM. One of the things that I've I've noticed is that well, first
of all, you know, beef is the largest income producer in agriculture.
You know, there was more money is generated through selling beef than any other
part of the large you know, agri business, and the beef lobby in
this country is probably the most powerful lobby that you never hear anything about,
UM, except if you're Oprah and you say on the air You're not gonna
eat another Hamburger again, and get sued for two billion dollars. That's the
only time that you hear about the beef industry or the old Robert Mitcham commercials
beef. It's what's for dinner, right. The beef industry is incredibly powerful.
We slaughter one cow about every second in this country, while McDonald's alone
buys a billion pounds of beef a year on rail. This is a yeah,
this is a huge, a huge business. And one thing that I
do in Stalking the Herd is I show in the first chapter how our relationship
with cattle has evolved from twelve thousand, five hundred years ago when we first
started domesticating these giant creatures called rocks that were the pregenitor specie to a modern
day domestic cows and cattle. And back then we worshiped cows. I mean
it was a big deal. The bull in the in the in the calf
and stuff. I mean it's even in the Bible. Um, Aaron and
Moses may have been competing priests and competing cattle cults. For instance, you
don't see reference to cattle too much in the Bible. James the First took
out most of the references to cattle in the Bible. There were there used
to be tons of them. And isn't it interesting that right when he was
beginning that process, hundreds and hundreds of sleep sheep. Rather, we're being
slain around London, with their inward parts taken in the meat in the in
the wolves left behind of this sundry conjectures, but most would agree it tendeth
toward fireworks. Was the quote in the in the records of James the First.
Um, so you know, we're unceremoniously slaughtering uh, millions of head
of cattle. And uh, it's it's a ritual act, but it's it's
not done with reverence. Um. That's the difference between kosher meat, for
instance, and uh and uh. And you know the way the some other
cultures slaughter animals, Um, it's done with reverence. Um, we're unceremoniously
slaughtering animals. And I think what we're doing is we're creating what could be
called sort of a kind of a psychic riptide. I think. And um,
one thing that I'm fairly certain of is that the beef industry and the
government is deathly afraid of mad cow disease all of a sudden appearing in the
food chain. And I think that out of all the overriding potential explanations UM
checking the food chain and testing the environment for for one of the were scourges
known to man UH, the preon disease is UM. I think one of
the main motivators for the mutilations. I also think that there's cases that UM
may be checking the environment for residual radiation. The areas that tend to be
hit the hardest in North America at least are areas that had most of the
above ground nuclear test site fallout, and that in a combination of copper and
UM, it makes the animals more susceptible to breaking out with preon disease.
All animals have preon ZENIM. It's just it's like HIV, it kicks off
into full blown UM you know, chronic wasting disease UM UH if if if
the environmental factors are correct, UM It's it's a really complicated subject, but
I have a feeling that those those are probably the main motivations I think behind
the the modern phase of it. At the core, there is something high
strange going on. There are cases that cannot be explained. Those are the
cases that people like Linda Howe and Chuck Zikowski and others are really interested in,
But they only are about five or ten percent of the total of cases.
The other ninety percent are not done by some high strange perpetrator, whether
it's an alien, whether it's a dimensional you know, predator, or high
tech chefs coming back from the future to harvest illegal cattle parts. You know,
you can come up with all kinds of interesting scenarios to explain excuse me,
what the high you know, the high strange cases are. But I
think the majority of them are done with sharp scalpels by very very skilled surgeons
who are doing this to test the environment. It's not so much the cow,
it's where it is in the environment that's important. And stalking the herd
goes into all the various explanations, looks at how they started, and then
traces the meme into the present day and shows how they all could be possible.
There's a lot of evidence to support each one of these theories, but
then there's way more evidence to refute them. So yeah, that's why I
think we're dealing with something that's multifarious, that it is not one size fits
all. Well, you know you touched on something earlier when we started talking
about this, and that is the lobby. You know, the they have
the strongest lobby. And I will tell you this. My son has been
vegan for I don't know, over a year, and he was telling me
that there is so much propaganda out there against you know, plant based diets
and you know them just saying that you know, you'll become frail and unhealthy
and and uh and uh, you know it's deadly to be a vegetarian basically,
and it's and it's suppolsedly you know, propaganda from uh you know the
uh, the meat industry, right and UH is that you think that's so?
It wouldn't surprise me. UM, I don't you know, big money.
UM has a lot of power and influence, and UM, I think
to counteract the increasing numbers of people that are realizing that beef, beef and
the red meat protein isn't isn't healthy. UM, I think obviously they're going
to be doing there's going to be some pushback and I think that UM,
he's He's probably right it's not something that you're going to see that's overt I
think it's going to be uh, it's going to be real kind of underhanded,
if you will. But um, you don't think about it. There's
one point five billion cattle on the planet, and that's a lot of cows.
That's that's if you add it up, the weight of that amount of
cows, they're more than the weight of all the humans on the planet.
Cattle are really detrimental to the environment and they're detrimental to human health. They're
one of the largest sources of ozone depleting gas methane, second largest natural source
of methane. They're the largest cause of deserts because cattle really do dig up
the environment. They're the main reason why we're cutting down the rainforest to make
room for more cows. They also are one of the largest freshwater polluters.
And whenever we have like recalls of spinach because of E. Coli and stuff,
oftentimes that's a feedlot. That's that's you know, somehow contaminated the groundwater.
Um. You know, there's areas in the Gulf of Mexico off the
you know, North Carolina areas where we have lots of pig farms and cattle
and stuff that are dead areas in the ocean. And you know, like
I said, prion disease and tracks wind to pest. I mean, there's
a whole bunch of diseases that come from cows. And and you know what
is it. Sixty percent of the growth horn or eighty percent of the growth
hormones that we used in this country go into cattle. Sixty percent of the
end or eighty percent of the antibiotics, sixty percent of the growth hormones steroids
go into cows. We wonder why our little girls are going into puberty at
eight and nine years old, it's because of all the growth hormones that are
in the meat. And you know, I love beef. I don't eat
it very much, but when I do, it's grass fed and it comes
from a local source. It's not something that you know, I get at
Walmart or I get it to McDonald's. I will not eat industrialized meat protein.
Um. It's it's really it's you know, at some point it's going
to be like playing Russian Roulette. We are invariably going to have some sort
of you know, nasty food chain outbreak, and uh, probably yeah,
I mean it's just inevitable. Um, it just seems to be going that
way. So you know, the book is not only about the mystery of
cattle mutilations. It's about our our very dysfunctional, symbiotic and almost incestuous relationship
with bovines. And uh. One thing that blows people away when I tell
me is is cattle mutulations only happen in Christian countries number one. In number
two, I have never been able to find a sacred Brahma cow from India
that's been mutilated. All the millions, all the millions of cows in the
in the world, there's not one Brahma that I've found that's been mutilated.
And India has never had a cattle mutilation case to my to my knowledge.
And they're the largest exporter or beef because they don't eat the cows, oh
my god. And yeah, so and there's but there's McDonald's in India.
If they don't they don't serve hamburgers two hundred and ninety I think McDonald's or
something in India. But they serve like h Mcaloo and mctan dory and you
know, these kind of they should serve all that in Indian McDonald's food over
here hell of a lot healthier. Yeah, that's for sure, Wow,
because I believe in it. It's really gross, but I believe you said
there's something like five hundred, up to five hundred different cows and one beef
patty something. Well McDonald's admits that up to one hundred one could be represented,
but some people say that as many as a thousand animals could be in
one the parts from a thousand animals. And if that doesn't make me want
to quit McDonald's nothing, well, well, you know, again, I
don't want to get sued by the beef industry. And you know, I'm
not saying don't eat beef. I'm just saying, be really smart about it,
and um eat local movie as a great she used to call it,
um. You know, um eat um. You know meat that's that's grown
in your region, and um make sure it's grass fed, not not from
you know, some feed lock. Yeah. Yeah, and it's it's really
an atrocity the way that the animals are treated. Yeah. Yeah, it's
horrific, just terrible. But um, okay, So that that's interesting and
we you know, we're going to take calls in about fifteen minutes or so.
And when we do that, you know, some people may want to
bring up some cattle mutilation. UM. You know questions UM when they when
they talk to you. But for right now, let's move on. Let's
talk about what you're doing with James Fox. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
UM. I ran into James at the UM I guess it was a congress
and we started talking a bit and had I had known about his project,
that he had been working on UM since twenty thirteen. He had me out
to interview me and others UM, pretty much anybody that's uh, anybody in
the field was invited out to LA and was interviewed on a green screen set.
And as as some of your listeners may know, UM, you know,
I I'm real a big fan of Ray Stanford's work, and I'm I've
often said that if he had a fan club, I'd be the president of
it. UM. I really do to feel at raised work as head and
shoulders above pretty much anybody in the field. And I was instrumental in in
introducing James to Terray and I've been kind of keeping tabs on his progress.
He's had some real you know, ups and downs over the six years that
he's been attempting to do this film called The Phenomenon. And when I ran
into him last summer at the at the Congress, he said, look,
you know, I'm right at that point where it would sure be good to
have you come out and and check this out and see, you know,
just kind of helped me, you know, put this baby to bed.
So I made a couple of chips out there and and helped him go over
and fine tune the thing. Cut it down from two hours to ninety minutes.
Excuse me, actually it was about two hours and fifteen minutes. And
and helped a little bit on on you know, the trailer. Uh uh
you know, kind of tweaked a little bit here, tweaked a little bit
there, helped him, uh talk with his composer, and um, I
was really honored that he he asked me to do that. And um it
was also an honor to be uh, you know, one or two people
that he trusted to to help him put the thing to bed, other being
Jack Ballet and uh, to you know, be able to spend some time
with Jacque and and work on the on the film was was you know,
kind of a high point for me, uh, you know, professionally,
And I must say that, Um, the thing that's most impressive besides the
fact that James is the only real filmmaker in upology. Um, there's a
lot of people that can slap, you know, stuff together, but nobody
that does it with the land and um and the the elegance that he does.
Uh. I'm a huge fan of his work. He's a very talented
storyteller. And when I found out that he got a theatrical release, I
was just flabbergast. I don't think any UFO film has ever been shown in
a movie theater. Nine hundred theaters, right, and and it'll go to
fifteen hundred different takes takes off. Um, that is a big deal.
And yes, the realization of what people are going to be seen. Ninety
of the audience, maybe even more, is going to have maybe a passing
interest in UFOs, but they are not going to have very little, if
any knowledge about the history, the modern history of UFOs. And so this
movie is not only going to be a crash course in the whole field of
uthology and the unfolding of cases since nineteen forty seven, since the Kenneth Arnold
siding. But it's also has cases and footage that I've never seen before and
that anybody that I've talked to it's seen the film has never seen before.
So there's something for everybody. There's something for the you know, the cynical,
jaded uthologists, all the way to the you know, ten year old
kid. It's just you know, interested in the subject but doesn't have a
knowledge base. So um, one thing that I realized, you know,
when he delivered the film to have the trailer finished, is the James is
disclosure of the people. This will be disclosure for them because they don't know
the stuff that you and I do, or a lot of your listeners,
they're not familiar. They're not familiar with any of it. And maybe they've
heard the word roswell, maybe they heard about the tic tac, but they,
you know, they don't really know the ins and outs the popcorn munchion.
Crowds of thousands and thousands of people that are going to be sitting in
that theater, ninety percent of them are going to be getting a wake up
call, major wake up call, and I you know, people have been
asking for disclosure. This is disclosure. Everything will be different after this film.
I mark my words on that. This is a huge, huge step
forward or the subject. And I'll tell you James deserves all the success and
all the accolades he's gonna get. But I keep warning them saying, now
you're gonna be You're gonna be the figurehead for the whole movement. So good
luck with that. Yeah, everybody's gonna they're gonna be calling you up every
time there's a question. And now you know, with that, with that
New York Times article two years ago and and the tic tac toem, it's
uh um, you know, in the revelation of the h the advanced aerial
threat to group and stuff. I mean that really made it okay for the
media to cover this stuff seriously. And if James had tried to finish this
film two years ago and get it on the movie screens, he wouldn't have
had a chance. I think you're you're perfectly because the subject, the subject
is now mainstream. James is perfectly positioned and perfect timing to have a theatrical
release. And I'm telling you, they're doing a five point one surround sound.
There's a world class composer who's doing all the music. Everything is color
corrected. I mean, it's it's a real feature film. This is not
just some you know, yeah episode you're going to see on History Channel or
something. This is this is the serious stuff. This is the big time.
And I am so proud of him and proud of everybody that was involved
in this project. And I was very, very honored to be asked to
help out. Yeah, we'll talk a little more about that. I just
gonna tell you funny story. I was texting with him the other day and
he was under his car. He was texting, Uh, the guy never
stops working. He's he's amazing and uh. But yeah, I wish that
all this success. But you actually got to see the screener or you got
you got to see the film. What was your reaction. I've seen the
film a whole bunch of times. Um, Like I said, there was
footage in there that I'd never seen before. There are cases that he meant
that I'd never heard before. I've read hundreds of books on the UFOs,
hundreds, and I was, you know, it's just it's put together so
well and so professionally. Like I said, it doesn't matter how much you
know about the field. There's something that's gonna make you scratch your head.
Go I didn't know that, and you know, I think it's I'm not
a big eth guy. I as many people out there who know my work
know that I'm I prefer to you know, I've been saying this for years.
We need to exhaust all mundane explanations and closed system explanations before we think
were important enough for anything out there to come here. It's just the way
that these things manifest, the way that the aliens interact with us, all
the different types of craft, all the different types of beings, there's something
tied into consciousness that's involved. It's closed system. I don't feel anything out
there is coming here. Ray Stanford is the only one that convinces me that
I might be wrong. His work is the only work that is pulling me
back towards the eth I'm a I'm a real I don't know. I'm an
a contrarian. You know. I would rather think there's other tenants in our
building than something out there thinking that we're important enough to come and keep gathering
flowers and picking up rocks like they've never seen them. And this is all
theatrical. There's something being staged for us, it's pulling us off planet.
I think that it's a collective unconscious manifestation to pull us off planet. The
planet itself maybe co creating these events along with our collective unconscious. I'm in
a much different place than the people that think about this subject. And uh,
I just you know, but for all the people that think we're being
visited by aliens, this this is your film. He doesn't come out and
say that, but it's it's it's hinted. It's hinted that all over the
place so well, which which is cool. It's entertaining. I'm gonna I'm
gonna love it. I can't wait to see. I'm gonna be watching the
crowd. I'm not gonna be watching the screen. I'll be watching how everybody's
responding to all this. It's gonna be fun. It's we mark my words.
This is gonna be huge. And he does. It couldn't happen to
a nicer guy. James is one of the nicest, sweetest, biggest hearted
people I've ever known. And uh, he and his wife Rebecca and his
son Alie are just incredible people. And man, I'll tell you, it's
just all the work and effort, and he almost lost everything during the process.
It's just so so cool that he's been able to get this thing put
to bed and I'm so proud of him. Wow, So you went out
over towards Stenson Beach over there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
in the Bellius right and yep, been there many times. Now. I
think that's interesting what you you've just said, because one of the questions I
asked a lot of my guests and I just did last week Christophertowski Rakowski.
I asked him, you know, why would we be visited by an entail?
And if there's intelligent life out there, what makes us so special?
If there's possibly forty billion, you know, earthlike planets with some type of
life possibly in our galaxy. And I have to say always possibly, because
no one really knows. But what makes us so special? Why we're being
visited? He said? Water? Water is unusual, but um, and
that's probably one of the reasons why we'd be visited. But you know,
there's a lot of questions out there. I don't know about the consciousness thing.
He did actually mentioned that a lot of people are talking about that these
days, so that it's uh could have an involvement with that, I kind
of I like to just continue to just say that I have no idea and
you know, uh, well, like I discussed on the show before,
I'm an experience or I've been close enough to touch them, they are not
human. They're they're uh, they're bipedal. They look kind of like us
but not really. Um, and they're real changed my life. I mean,
I'm a completely different person as a as a direct result of that experience
when I was seven years old, Um, can you talk about that again,
because a lot of people never remember remember that. Yeah, I'm growing
up in BLB, Washington. I one night in the spring of sixty three,
I I just you know, I was almost seven, just about a
month away from my birthday, and I woke up because there was a strange
kind of light in my room and it was these two foot tall glittering wands
with spears as I called them, that these little entities were holding around my
bed, and the light would glitter up and down and was shining enough residual
lights so I could see the figures, not very well, but I could
see that they were extremely skinny. I called them stick men with big heads,
and they literally followed me around my neighborhood at three in the morning,
and I was trying to go call my parents so that they could come and
save me and rescue me from these these little guys. There were three of
them, possibly a fourth in the back. It was hiding, excuse me.
And they didn't walk. They glide. They kind of glided. They
all moved together like cattails. They just kind of slid along the ground.
It was fairly terrifying. I went to two neighbors tried to get them to
answer the door at three in the morning and call my parents. One of
them actually did. I don't know what happened. I ended up five houses
away my sister after an indetermined amount of time. She said about twenty minutes.
I think it may have been longer. She was eighteen, I was
six. She found me. I was absolutely terrified. She took me into
the house. Of course, I refused to go and sleep in my bedroom.
I was too afraid. And so she says, okay, well you
can sleep in the bed with me, and to just to give you an
idea of how traumatized I was in my sleep, I tried to nurse her.
Oh my god, Yeah, that's how freaked out I was. My
parents said, you were you know it was you had a nightmare. You
were sleepwalking. When I ran out the kitchen door, I forgot my dad
had put the screen door on, and I ran right into the screen door,
and you know, sorry, I wasn't sleepwalking. And it changed my
life. I mean, I've been absolutely, you know, really interested in
the subject ever since. I hid my interest for a lot of years.
And when I finally you know, when I moved to Colorado and all this
stuff was flying around, everybody was seeing it, I felt comfortable enough to
come out and and talk about it and start investigating. Wow, that is
uh, that's really quite the way to get started. I do remember the
story, just not the details of it. I never saw a ship.
I was yelling at him, why don't you, you know, say something,
talk to me, what do you want? What do you want?
They refused or were unable to communicate with me. I didn't have any telepathic
communication. I didn't have any any sort of you know, indication at all
that they of anything positive or negative. They seem like bio robots, something
totally devoid of any sort of you know, any sort of expression or you
know, I kind of blanked out their faces. I think, I'm I
bet you if I got regrets, i'd probably remember a lot of stuff.
But I feel okay with the experience, and I don't really I don't want
to open up Pandora's box with that. One ever ever happened again? Nope,
well, at one time I had it. One thing that happened.
It could have been it could have been something. I have six hours of
missing time in the middle of the southern Utah desert. That it was a
pretty interesting experience. Wow, that is yeah, all right, Well,
I am going to put the phone number up so if anyone would like to
call in, you can see that we have racists be over there screening the
calls, and that number is eight five five four seven two five four eight
three. Numbers up on the screen. If you're on YouTube again, that
number is eight five five four seven two five four eight three, And feel
free to call in and ask our guests a question. We're standing by.
And so you had that experience, You've seen a lot of things happen in
Colorado. Yeah, Have you had sightings elsewhere as well? Yes, yes,
I have. My first sighting was third week Friday, September nineteen seventy
nine. I was up in New Paul's, New York with a group of
friends. Three of us were had gobbled mushrooms, the other three hadn't.
We all shared the same experience. There was absolutely no difference between the the
enhanced experience and the regular conscious experience. It was a group of lights way
up in the sky. They looked like stars, and we seemed to be
in communication with them. We were creating. My brothers said, let's let's
try an experiment, and so we made a square, laid down in the
form of a square, and then we did a circle, we did a
triangle, and the objects in the sky mirrored what we did, which is
very strange. And then then our ride came and we left and went to
the party. I was in college and having a good time, and it
was like, hey would never believe what just happened. You know. That
was my first siding. I had a really good siding after I moved to
Sedona. It looked like one of the tic TACs. It flew broad daylight
three o'clock March twenty seventh, two thousand and five. It flew right up
Oat Creek, right through middle of town. Six other people reported it.
It seemed to be about thirty or forty feet long. Was looked like a
flying egg, maybe a little flattened. Had at one end seemed to be
a little bit more pointed than the other end, so it actually did.
It looked like an egg. No wings, no propulsion, no noise um.
I caught a well good look at it for about I don't know,
seven seconds, maybe eight seconds as it flew along before you know, the
house and some trees obscured the view. But that was pretty interesting. I've
had some nighttime sidings there, including a siding of two arm big range orbs
that got chased away by Air Force jets. Oh wow those wow? Yeah.
Hey, we get calls stacking up, so okay, go ahead.
Also get right into him. We have Steve calling from Las Vegas. Stevie're
on the air, Steve, can you Herris? This happened last week and
I think it's gonna have to put you back on hold. Steve, And
that was hoping this wouldn't happen again. So there's some type of issue over
at the station. We have three calls on hold over there right now.
Let's see if we can get that figured out and let me just try Steve
one more time. Steve, you're on the air, can you hear us?
Okay, I can see that he's talking. Steve. I'm sorry.
I'm gonna have to put you back on hold. All right, So we
have a setting problem. We're going to wait for that, and we do
have a we have a number of people on hold right now. Hopefully the
setting will be cleaned up and figured out over there at the radio station.
But you might as well continue on with your other sightings you had. I
wouldn't know where to begin. I've had so many being Colorado many it was
five in one day. Yeah. Well, it's great when you have a
phone tree and you have people all over the valley. They call you up
and say, quick run outside, look, you know, look to the
south, get up on your roof, you know. So um, we're
able to alert each other, and we've been able to. I got some
video that way. I had a really cool sight in December eighth, ninety
four when it was eight below out. It was at night, around ten
o'clock and we had a group of seven lights come in. Then a group
of six they both came in joined started million around it couldn't have been more
than two miles from us. Didn't hear a thing. Thirteen objects. We
didn't hear a thing. Some of them started blinking, others stayed steady.
Then they formed back up. One group went one way, the other group
went another way, and we didn't hear a single sound. It was just
at least still. And I got footage on night vision with a night vision
lens that was really I've been holding onto that I haven't I haven't supplied it
to any TV shows or anything. I have another really interesting triangle siding that
we got footage of two that flew about a half a mile away from us
in a complete circle in an art kind of around us. That was a
good one. Again I mentioned the little Scout ship. It flew about fifty
feet off the road and about one hundred and fifty feet in front of us,
and then zipped out over the Weafino Valley and it looked like somebody you
know, when you reel in a lure really fast in the water and it
kind of skips. That's what it looked like it was doing in the atmosphere,
like it was skipping in the atmosphere. That was pretty interesting. I
actually was able to get binoculars on it as it as it faded away into
the distance. It was pretty small. It was only about twelve feet maybe
fifteen feet. And I've seen big rectangles, We've had them block out the
sky. I've seen every type of orb We had one of those little red
ones that flew right next to our car outside of Fort Garland. My band
was with me and three of the guys that never had a side and two
of them had well me and the other one had and and so they were
all excited because they finally got to see something. And it was I could
have hit it with a rock. I mean it was really close to us.
We've had, oh my god, whole groups of lights over Blanca Peak.
Had two big house sized fireballs right at tree top level, go one
after the other all the way down the entire length of the valley. I
was up about a thousand feet off the valley floor, so we had a
really good good view of those. I had this one thing that went over
that was probably some sort of military thing, and it looked like the Millennium
falcon. UH had a big super loud and it had a um. The
whole back end seemed to be lit up, a blue flame coming out of
it. Um, but it was kind of flat and extremely loud. Uh
Jesus looked like the with no wing wings. The whole bunch of people saw
that. Um. I don't know, man, it's just that's really amazing.
I'm going to try a different caller, see uh see, uh if
that might work. Let's let's try. Let's try. Let's try John over
and Missouri. John, can you hear us? I can see John talking.
I can't hear John talking, all right, So that's it. I'm
terribly sorry. We have all these people on hold. Doesn't look like it's
going to happen again. Um so um, but I'm not going to give
up. I will. I will do what I did last week that that
didn't go so well, either the Skype or the Skype calls. So we're
just I want to We've got another person calling in, so we've got four
people on all trying to call. So I do apologize. We may try.
We may try later if if they can figure it out over the radio
station. What's going on. It's really too bad. I don't dare to
try Skype. So we're gonna pull the number off right now. And we'll
just move on. Wow, I've only had I've had one really interesting while
I thought it was interesting sighting, and I've had another sighting that it probably
was a sighting, but I've always discounted it, Um, and I don't
I've just been afraid to say that I've had more than one sighting. Maybe
that's part of it. But another thing, it's you know, I thought
for sure it was like the International Space Station or something like that. It
was, it was big, it was well lit up in the real distant
night sky. But then it direction. Uh, let me think it would
be heading towards the east, sort of east if I remember, probably the
space station. It's pretty it's pretty bright the space station, yeah, says
Um. And then it Uh, but it did a jag or that wasn't
the space station or you know, it could have been something atmospheric possibly,
but I don't really know. Uh, but I had I had a sighting
that I almost had the I could have seen the Phoenix Lights ship craft,
but I was inside the motel. Flew right over the motel. We were
watching Basketba Paul and we heard other people outside. We couldn't hear what they
were saying. But they were. We thought they were watching the game too,
Arizona State, I think was in the final or this sweet sixteen or
something. And then when we finally, you know, the noise really got
loud outside. So we went out and they said, oh man, where
are you being? This huge thing just flew over. I was like what
because we saw on TV they interrupted the game and there was that famous footage
of the reporters standing there with the lights behind them. We saw that live.
I was down in Casa grand in a motel. Wow. Hey,
you know what I'm gonna You know what I'm gonna do, Chris, And
I'm sorry, this isn't really that fair to the people that were trying to
call in, and I apologize for that. But I happened to have Ray's
phone number right on Skype because he's been on the show a number of times.
So I'm gonna try to give Ray Stanford a call here because I know
he's looking, and we'll see if that will work. If not, of
course, we'll just say raised at you. Ray. That's me. Ray.
I don't know if you even know the ship, but you're live on
the air. How are you? Oh? Okay? Hi? Now you
know I was sitting here thinking, since you can't get anybody calling in,
call me. Well, it worked. Your telepathy worked, because all of
a sudden, I thought, hey, I think I have raised Stanford's number
in on my Skype because you've been on the show, and there you worry
popped right up when I looked, well, I'm really glad that you did.
And it's always a pleasure to talk to Chris O'Brien, and hey,
I thought I would. He mentioned that I'm probably the only source of information
that makes him we're about accepting the extraterrestrial hypothesis. But I you know,
I think that what we have to do in this field, if I may
say so, is that we need to not put that as the first priority
is to where do they come from or even what are they here? We
need to get the hard data that will communicate some good science to us and
leave that perhaps till later. But I'd need to add this one phenomenon.
If I make this is the so called mothership phenomenon, it shouldn't seem strange
or metaphysical or out of place, because, after all, when we took
our first from Earth's journey to an extraterrestrial body, namely the Moon. We
had a mothership that stayed in orbit and sent the craft down to land on
the Moon and then came back up, docked with it, and came home.
So the mothership phenomenon should not be surprising. But in the context of
the question of extraterrestrial source, it does not prove to us that it comes
from Planet X or anything like that. But what this suggests these huge objects
releasing small objects of several different quite a number of different categories, is that
they come from far away. Because the large object releasing small objection of the
atmosphere suggests conservation of end and it's it makes a lot of sense. It
tends us to interpret the extroversial hypothesis. But we don't know where they're coming
from. They may need this big energy source that they're coming from an extra
dimential situation that we can't comprehend. And when they get to the local place
on the Earth, release shuttles to do some studies or whatever they're up to.
But I'm doing all the talking and I shouldn't do that. Hey,
Chris, anything you care to say or ask me about or to discuss.
Yeah, and again, like I mentioned earlier, that rational makes perfect sense
to me, and that is the only at least as far as you know,
I'm aware, that is really the best evidence, circumstantial evidence that we
have that would suggest that we are dealing with something on planet. Again,
we can't really you know, factor anything in or out. And I absolutely
agree with you that we need to exhaust all efforts to utilize this wonderful technology
that's now affordable, and instead of spending two million dollars on Project Starlight,
we can spend five thousand dollars and have a fairly good opportunity, if placed
in a proper location, to get that kind of hard data. And I'm
really again, I really can't can't emphasize enough how much of an inspiration you
have been for me in more ways than one, and I really do look
forward to finally getting some quality data that you can sink your teeth into.
Well listen, you know you mentioned among the by way. This is very
exciting and very rewarding to me to see the kind of effort you're doing to
get instruments out there and good data. But I have a question. My
question I'd ask you in the phone some time ago, but it has to
do with the magnetometer the magnetometer we used as an extreme no freenacy magnetometer,
and it came about because we had evidence that there was an extremeal freenacy magnetism
associated with these options. I won't go into it now, but we very
successfully use this during daylight filming of objects and we have a direct correlation of
the maneuvers with the changes in the extremeal freingacy magnetic field. Now that's extremely
important is to record in a way where you have a real time signal to
correlate one thing with another, so that you can correlate field effects with the
maneuvers. It tells you that something is happening. In this case, it
strongly suggests because of what we soon the film, it suggests that as a
gross propulsive mechanism in the atmosphere we are using, they're using electrified atmosphere of
plasma, in other words, maneuvering with the magnetic field. This does not
mean it's a py primary drive or anything of that nature, and it doesn't
prove that their et is con dressed with something coming from somewhere else, but
in a realistic sense, in the atmosphere. And but do in your in
your magnetometer, do can you tell me what type of bandwidth, what what
frequency? This is? Monitoring on the magnetic spectrum you know is incredibly broad.
Do you know what what range this is? It just direct magnetism and
not looking at frequencies or what do you know? I'm going to go ahead
and read your the spects on it. UM. I'm going to the website
right now for the technical information. Again. Well you'll just take a second.
UM. I have asked Ron about this and he's UM, I think
it's a full spectrum. It's not focused only on the low frequency. I
think it is a full spectrum. That's kind of problematical because you don't unless
there's a way to tell what frequency you're looking at, it's very difficult to
analyze it scientifically. I think though, that there probably is an answer that's
more meaningful than that. Ron. I wish I wish Ron would contact me
and talk about this because it really needs to be ironed out, because when
you go to present this to physical scientists to try to gain physical theory,
you need to know what it really is being monitored. And to let me
mention some background, I believe that the government that the first reason that got
the government very concerned about UFOs and secrecy. Was the effect of this extreme
low frequency which we have documented again and again with our system upon submarine communication
which communicates in the extreme low frequency range. And in fact, it was
a physicist that works for the Navy that was one of the two major miners
of our system. Now, an acoustic is not an acoustic signal, No,
no, not at all. No. Nothing to do with acoustics has
to do with extreme low frequency magnetism. And this a friend of mine back
in Austin that had been in the US Navy working aboard a nuclear submarine for
a long time period. You said something that really got to him. One
night happened. It was they were deep under the Atlantic Ocean and all of
a sudden, the skipper came in on the nacom and said, book,
I'm requesting that we surface as quickly as is commensurate with safety. If we
can do this as quickly as possible safely, you said, I believe when
we get to the surface, you guys are going to be able to see
a UFO at close range. Well they did it. They succeeded, and
they got out on the deck and here was a textbook disc UFO quite nearby.
Now, he didn't have the guests to ask the skipper how they knew,
but I would strongly suggest that he was monitoring the extreme infrequency communications of
the submarine and saw a characteristic, recognized disturbance. They'd had to deal with
this disturbance, apparently from back in the parties. So you can see how
it become a secret that these submarines that are so important to national defense are
having a disturbance of something of these strange opjects that could give a good reason
to classify the whole UFO thing right away. And I think it was the
beginning of secrecy in relationship to that, not that they knew where it was
coming from at that time or how it was being generated, but simply that
it was a problem to national security because of its effect on submarine communication.
But as art Chris, if you can find that out, I'd love to
know, because that is very much needed in the analysis of in relationship to
propulsion as to what frequencies we're dealing with. And I think you'll find there's
a simple answer to it that Ron can give you. But please get back
to me on that. Yeah, it's a it's a three d F magnetometer
h and so it's there's three what you're talking magnets manufacturer there right, three
d F. Uh. No, it's a type of magnet Uh, there's
THREEFF and nine DF. Okay, I've never heard of that. Of course,
the system we use is strictly any I don't know what that covers.
But there should be a statement of of of the bandwidth from the standpoint of
frequency you want to call it weight length. Uh, should be a statement
there, and it should be I would recommend once you learn it that you
publish it with the literature that's making this available to people, so that they
don't know what they're they're getting into. It's extremely important. By the way,
you mentioned correlations that replication in phenomena, Well, I'm recent. I
could talk some of the people that have strong scientific backgrounds to come here and
see what I have. You who understand why. But the replication. We
have films from airliners that have gotten in daylight multiple times and from the ground
that show the exact same types of phenomenon, the same type of gigantic carriers,
two classes of carriers, and the same types of tranger objects. And
I can show them at least five distinct types that we have filmed on multiple
occasions and that other people have actually photographed too, including the so called motherships.
So it's not that Ray Stamford is here with his organization and claiming something
that nobody else has gotten. We have excellent pictures of these so called motherships
with smaller objects from other sources that are highly incredible, and that, however
you want to interpret, at least suggests that they're conserving energy to get up
here by in some way that requires a lot of energy of the big object
if you're going to carry shuttles down to Earth and maybe else work to do
studies. So anyway, that's that's my take on it. But I really
am encouraged by your effort and I wish you the best because if we can
get these systems going around the world, it's going to create a whole new
ball game in this field. Cre I absolutely agree. And with the advent
of the internet, the connectivity and the sharing of information um is also uh
you know, down down the road. Once we start to get some quality
information, it's very easy to get to get other people to analyze the data
and get some peer review. Let me mention one thing very fastical I know
we're good to hear the end of the program, and that is this we
have recorded in daylight, and it's very important to get as much data as
you can in daylight imagery. We have recorded again and again multiple sets are
very very specific phenomena that these objects generate, aircraft, meteors, natural phenomenon
in the atmosphere. Nothing else creates these sets of phenomena, one of which
is multiple images generated at high speed around the object in broad daylight. There
are other really truly wonderful, remarkable phenomenon that we've documented, and the effects
on backlighting the Faraday rings due to rotation of the plane of polarization of the
backlighting as it passes the object toward the camera. But as if we get
these kind of phenomena and document them in other sources and can show this worldwide
as a phenomenon, it takes it out of the category of natural phenomena.
Even as when we actually filmed and regarded the gravity light effects as well as
the light spectra and the images of objects on the edge of white stands,
when I got a tip that they were being plagued by these things and by
golly there was there was spect that these things were emitting. That was one
single wavelength of life, which explained when people see these things often they say
it was so pure, I don't understand. Well, in this case,
it was pure. It was a very long red wavelength of light. But
the remarkable thing beyond it being pure, such as no conventional aircraft would produce
in his propulsion or in his lighting, was that there was line splitting.
That single line was being split, and to get that you have to have
it generated in the presence of a strong electrical field, are a strong magnetic
field, and in this case, based on the evidence we have, we
believe that both were present because we objects were clearly using magnetoplasma dynamic propulsion in
the atmosphere. If anybody doesn't believe that, if you've got a scientific background,
contact me and I'll give you the evidence. But I'm really hoping that
you guys can help people to get this kind of data in broad daylight and
also even at night might be best for FIR spectrum in daylight less there awfully
bribe, but you haven't mentioned spectra, but it'd be nice if you could
also incorporate yacific spectrum well. We're out of time. I'm afraid I have
to say, but thanks. I'm glad to talk to you. Ray as
always always fun to have you on the show. Yeah, thanks, thanks
Ray, all right, thanks for telling for calling me. Thanks allot,
all right, good night. So we are out of time, but I
will tell people you can go work to UFO DAP dot com. That's UFO
DAP dot com and check out what Chris is doing. Chris, I want
to thank you very much for being on the show tonight. Sure, yeah,
my pleasure. It's always fun, always fun, always good to talk
to you. And you take care all right for YouTube. All right,
everyone, So that is it for our show this evening. Next week we
will be back with Seth Breedlove. Um. He is a film producer.
Um. I believe the movie coming out is called on the Trail of UFOs
and he will be biling. He'll be on next week, so tune in
for that and remember everyone to keep your eyes to the sky.