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Hello, and welcome to the show. My name is Martin Willis and I'm

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your host, and we have Chris
Christopher O'Brien on the show this evening.

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He's really here this time. I
got to tell you about last time.

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Now, last time he slept,
he overslept, didn't didn't set his alarm

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or slept through his alarm or whatever. But you know, I mean,

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there was a reason for that.
He's doing he's doing well. Everything is

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just fine, and he's here tonight. And that actually kind of worked out

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in a way because thanks to the
YouTube listeners out there, we had a

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call in show, an unexpected one
that I can't believe the amount of email

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that I received and people saying do
that again, So it started something.

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At least I'm going to give it
another try. I'm going to give it

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an official try, and that will
be on Saint Patty's Day and I hope

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people don't drink too much of the
green beer before they call. But that's

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on March seventeenth, I believe that
date is. So I'll announce that ahead

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of time so you can get your
questions ready or your UFO stories ready or

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whatever it is, and we'll have
a race as always does the call screening

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over here. Great. I'm grateful
for that. At KGr A Radio,

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he'll be doing that and checking people
as they call in for that again.

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That's March seventeenth. We have a
blog up on our website podcast UFO dot

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com, and check that out.
I think it's a It's one of my

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favorite incidents, and that is the
Father Guilt case, and it's about Father

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Gill and UFOs and our blogger Charles
Lear actually uncovered a couple of things that

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I had never heard about when he
was doing some research for this and Father

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Gill. I don't know if anyone's
ever looked into that. There's also I

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posted on in the middle of the
blog a video of him talking about the

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event. He didn't really use the
fact that, you know, he was

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a man of the cloth, so
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He just said, if you don't
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out the video. It's really great. I wish I could have met him,

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he passed away years ago. But
another really great case that has happened,

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an unexplained one and an interacting one. Actually there there was a flashlight.

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I think they waved at it.
It seemed like the beings were interacting

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the standing on top of the craft. It's a real bizarre story, so

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check that out a lot of people. Ironically, I think it's ironic that

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there's a number of people that listen
to my Antique Auction Forum podcasts that actually

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listened to this show too. And
I actually usually it's the people that listen

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to my UFO shows, will they
will, you know, maybe wander over

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to the Antique Auction Forum and listen
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actually had to go the other way
around. The other day, I had

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an email from someone, a long
time listener to my antique show that said

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he was looking wondering why I wasn't
having new shows on my antiques and he

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found the UFO show and he said
it's fascinating. I never really thought about

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it, but he says, I'm
listening all the time. So I'm kind

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of grateful for that anyway. So
I'm going to start doing more of those

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shows, and I'm going to be
at a car museum next week working doing

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a show over there as well antique
cars, so that ought would be fun.

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For now, I do want to
thank everyone that helps out with the

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show, and there's a lot of
people behind seems. I'm grateful for all

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that, and I also want to
thank Race at KGr A Radio for the

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great job he does, and Peggy
who helps out with the Facebook page.

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And a number of people have been
asking me constantly every single week, you

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know, as Alejandro Okay, Alejandro
Rojas, So what's up with him and

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what's going on? I don't really
know, to be honest with the people

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out there, I really don't know
if if he's planning on coming back.

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I really don't know. He may
have, you know, changed a few

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things with what he wants to do. For right now, I can't answer

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for him. I'm trying to give
him his privacy. You know. It

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is a private thing for him whatever
he does. So he doesn't really want

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me to discuss too much on what's
going on. But every single week I

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get a lot of people wondering and
they're worried about him. But I can

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tell you this, you don't have
to worry about him. He is doing

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fine and we've had some great conversations. It's just that he I just don't

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know what his future is as far
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as me replacing him with someone else. I don't know if I'm going to

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do that either. I may not. I may just continue like this.

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I do personally miss the news updates, you know, on the shows the

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way they were. I just it's
I'm usually too busy during the week to

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check on things and how they're going, so that that's always been helpful for

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me when he fills me in on
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may figure out something at a later
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just got a little ottle me here. And I do appreciate everyone that listens,

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and I do appreciate everyone that supports
a show as well. And for

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now, I'm going to introduce our
guests. Christopher O'Brien. He doesn't really

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need much of it. He doesn't
need much of an introduction. He's been

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on many times, but he's got
an incredible background. Wrote the best book

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out there on cattle mutilations, really
great one. I've read through quite a

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bit of it. It's a big
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is the top notch, top notch
work on that subject. We're gonna be

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talking about all kinds of different things
tonight, and Chris, I consider Chris,

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a friend. He actually stayed at
my guest house a few years ago

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before I sold my house up on
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Chris, remember going out on the
boat. How can you forget that?

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Right? Right? That didn't last
too long. We got stranded,

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Yeah, in the middle of the
lake, in the middle of the lake,

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and you saved the day. I
remember you doing your pirate hour or

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whatever and waving life preservers and someone. Actually it was a pretty lonely day

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on the lake out there. Remember
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mile away, and I came and
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good times. But anyway, welcome
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doing okay, and everybody else and
a lot of people are concerned about you

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when you didn't show up the last
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I think I booked the show a
little too soon after fairly uh well,

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let's put it this way. Anytime
you get heart surgery and it's uh,

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it's kind of a big deal.
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routine procedure. Unfortunately, I developed
arterial fibulation a year ago, and this

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is a new procedure that's only been
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um where they actually go up your
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and then o blake the nerve bundles
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the heartbeats, that the fibulating heartbeats. And so I was still kind of

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down and out, and when I
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and uh, I just I just
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the show. I really felt bad. I think I woke up at about

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eight o'clock and I went, oh, no, that's right, that's right.

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It was pretty funny. But I'm
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I'm back, and I'm doing really
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cool stuff been going on, and
I'm looking forward to getting out of the

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New York up state New York weather. Here. We just had a foot

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of snow, and it's uh,
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few months, especially, you know, living in Arizona for so many years,

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it's a little new and different.
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She was born in the desert,
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and just looks at me and goes, oh, yes, I did that.

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I lived in California for nine years
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was not happy walking into snow.
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like what is this? Yeah?
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on all kinds of things as usual. Yeah, you're not the type of

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guy that rests on his laurel.
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you're up to these days. Well, you know, we've got the UFO

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DAT project, which is the UFO
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what we've been doing for twelve years
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you know and all you know,
a state of the art, really an

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affordable system that will detect burial anomalies. And basically there's triangulated cameras with a

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multi sensor pack that's based on a
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an accelerometer and um, you know, complete atmospheric information and and it's all

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tied into GPS, so you're able
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as a myth and speed and hopefully
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able to detect varying degrees of luminance, and then we'll also find out whether

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the object is in some way impact
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uh, you know, got some
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our first system that packed many years
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south central Colorado, and then this
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going to put in the other two
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really really excited about it. And
we've already been selling the product it.

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Uh, we're not really doing this
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at cost. And so we've sold
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up to spring right next door to
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with a system, a doctor with
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the southernmost part of La Is right
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from Switzerland and Australia and Italy.
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you know, anybody can can afford
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I first started working on the idea. Twelve fifteen years ago, it would

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have cost you know, a couple
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has come down in price and gone
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systems are now attainable. And what
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customized software that detects motion and then
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the Internet to the other cameras so
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data then go ahead and get a
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So this is a kind of information
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we could literally write a scientific paper
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a physicist, and this would be
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scientific uthology is to be able to
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replicated and then presented for peer review. And this is a dream come true.

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I often joke, you know,
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I say, please, do not
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they said, well you do invest
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if I was a uthologist, I'd
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DAP. So take that for what
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one of several projects that that we
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it will have. I think on
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four hundred to five thousand dollars and
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contained detection system that will allow them, um the ability to uh, you

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know, like I said, actually
gather scientific data of of anomalous very lobject

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events. So that's that's one thing
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before we get into that, I
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Alf'll call in later. UM.
It seems like he just sent me an

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email right now saying we're having audio
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see if that is the case.
Could you hear me? All right there,

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I hear you perfectly here. But
I guess it had been cutting in

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and out. I'm not really sure
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it isn't what it is and we'll
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you know, think of the money
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nineteen seventies. Oh my god.
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for this, uh, you know, Project Starlight. His program back in

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the early seventies was in nineteen seventy
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the land and stuff that they had
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two million dollars that they had to
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we can do with much better technology, we can do all that for hundreds

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of dollars as opposed to you know, seven figures. So, but that

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whole concept of hard data, you
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I was really inspired by by Ray's
work, who he was decades and

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decades ahead of his time. And
uh and you know again I tipped my

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hat to a lot of hard work
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Ray is going to be uh if
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one of our my chief analysts.
So when we get some good stuff,

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let rate you on it for a
while and uh and tell us if we

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got something worthy or not. He's
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these events, especially photographic and um
the other evidence h uh huh, yeah,

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yeah, that's that's really great.
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I try to put up a picture
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itself, UM, I can't get
it wants to turn sideways in this for

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where for some reason. So I
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Um, is this was this your
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you have a lot of people?
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a team of people that have been
involved. UM, Wayne Holland back my

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my my principal who I've been worked
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he passed away last year and that
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our engineer. Ron's really the brains
behind the software and and then matching the

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gear with the software. He's the
engineer and computer scientists. I basically am

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the cheerleader and UH and I helped
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the some of the analytical work.
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Stanford for years and and I'm getting
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what things are and UM, of
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percent, ninety nine percent of what
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purported to be so, um,
it's always it's always fun to try to

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come up with a proper explanation then
send it to Ray and and see I

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feel confirmed. Yeah, so um
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a three person project and now we're
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are we haven't really joined forces with
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as we do be able to make
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some pretty pretty interesting um inquiries about
combining efforts with other other teams, and

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uh that's of course we have something
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Yeah, that's really great. And
I have mentioned that to other people that

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have have had similar um you know, not really units, but you know

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you mentioned someone early here and uh
I've been to Mark, to Antonio and

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a few other different people that are
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we're all trying to do the same
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it would be great if people get
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what it is, you know,
to to combine, combine efforts and try

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to get some more answers. So
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listed on our website as consultant for
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We love to get Mark uh,
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he's willing to. UM, of
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again, we really want to make
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as as possible, because once we
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able to really start punching some numbers
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looking for commonalities and looking for um, you know, that quality grail

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of scientific research, and that's repeatability
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we need to get systems out there, and we need good an analyzing

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going on after the data has been
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of a number of people that we've
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Jaque Fleet kind of helped out a
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on some things to consider. Uh. And we've also had, like I

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said, Rays has Um has been
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things out and making suggestions. And
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two steps back, like everything in
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when when it's all being done on
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to speak, it's hard to get
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have a lot of nice forward momentum
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been approached by Kevin Day, who
of course was the radar operator on the

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USS Princeton during the Nimits tik Tak
event, and he's going to be mounting

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an expedition to Cataline Island, they're
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later on the following year he's going
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area where they have the Tiktac event. And we're going to be helping out

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with some gear and and I think
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go along. I have good sea
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would be kind of fun. Oh
absolutely. Hey what about Peter Davenport's,

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you know, his passive radar idea
that seemed like it was pretty pretty solid.

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Yeah, actually I have an active
radar idea really Okay, Yeah,

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yeah, I know. I take
a marine radar sticking on a pedestal that

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is being fed coordinate data, so
it'll, um, you know, pan

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and tilt according to you know,
where the actual GPS signal is pointing it,

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and um, you put a marine
radar unit on it. You're damping

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the signal the three hundred and fifty
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and then have a window that's pointed
right at the event and you can

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sit there and paint it and get
a return. They're good up to about

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forty miles line of sight. So
the San Luis Valley, where our first

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system is going in, there's radar
invisible blow eighteen thousand feet. We could

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probably get away with it for a
while. There is no radar in the

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valley. The only problem is if
our if our detection equipment detects an F

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sixteen zipping down the Levita Military Operations
Uh, you know MTR, a military

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training route, I think the pilot
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of a sudden he gets painted.
Never thought of that. Wow, yeah,

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we all know. Yeah, go
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say, so, we need to
check into the legality of doing an active

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radar. Passer radar would be good
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like that. Uh, it would
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it's just another tool, you know. It gives you another another set of

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information. It gives you, you
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Yeah, we have to go into
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you know, prior to that,
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talking about the San Luis Valley just
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lot of new listeners to the show, and a lot of new listeners that

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are not are just like new to
the UFO topic. So well, if

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you can fill in like for the
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what kind of hotspots are there are
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we might have to save that for
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because we're coming right up to it. Yeah, um, yeah,

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well we'll do that when we get
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a thumbnail sketch of the actual valley
and the twenty five years of work that

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I've been doing there. Excellent.
Okay, so we're going to head into

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break. This is Martin Willis and
we'll be the right back, right back

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right after these messages. I didn't
tell you this, but we're still live

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on YouTube. Okay. So that
good thing you you held you about that?

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Yeah? Yeah, um, so
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so we'll just talk about we'll get
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we come back. But you're in
New York, have you paid attention.

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I mean, there's that's there's a
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Further aspect. Yeah, there's been
some bigfoot reports. Um, we've

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had a few siding events. Nothing
near me. Uh. Cheryl Costa,

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of course is just up the road, and uh, I think Syracuse,

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and then Richard Dolan's just up the
road in uh Rochester and Peter Robbins is

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he's pretty close to me. He's
up by Ithaca and uh. And then

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I'm right on the border with the
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Pennsyltucky. Uh. Uh And of
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the state is uh has been a
hotbed of activity on and off over the

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years. Uh, you know north
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north of there, and uh,
I will be uh yeah, go ahead,

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I'm sorry. Pine Borsch. Is
that the name of the place I'm

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thinking of. Yeah, that's in
New York. Is that is that right

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near the Hudson It's fairly close.
Yeah, yeah, that was you know,

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it's over it's over to the east
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Hudson. I think it's on the
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Peggy that's been helping out for years
with our Facebook page has she used to

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live in that area and she used
to talk about where. She's told me

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stories about getting the lawn chair and
like going out there was all these people

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would just be sitting there and waiting
for something to happen. A lot of

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times it would happen. Yeah,
pretty amazing. Yeah. I remember talking

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with Ellen Crystal and Bruce Cornett back
in the early nineties. And then when

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I lived in Riverdale there was well
actually I was in Manhattan by the time

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when the waves started, but I
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up there and then head north up
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of Yonkers. Back in the mid
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the Hudson Valley sidings who were happening, and I met a number of people

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and had a couple of friends that
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and so I was always jealous because
whenever I would go out and nothing would

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happen and and then i'd you know, invariably somebody would call up and say,

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wow, I wouldn't believe what we
saw the other night. So you

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know, it's just my luck,
I guess back then. H Yeah,

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but I never did get to see
anything and chat. Someone wanted to know

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what brought you to Upstate New York. Friend I've Yeah, my friend Fritz,

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so I have known forty forty plus
years. He uh, he was

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kind of undergoing a health crisis and
uh and was you know, needed a

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little uh some help, and and
I came and kind of did a little

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medical early intervention and got him some
care. He'd never been to a doctor

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in his life. And he really, you know, he needed to uh

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needed to be uh. I needed
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so he's doing much much better.
He was not in good shape when I

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first arrived here a year ago.
I remember it's been almost two years.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
had the conversation. So, yeah,

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I was glad to hear that he's
doing really well. Yeah, much better.

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Yeah, you did a really good
thing by doing that. Yeah.

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Yeah. I living in the desert
about every thirteen fourteen years, I need

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a couple of years. Break,
you know, get off, get out

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of the desert, get get into
a place it's a little bit. Uh.

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Here we go, better weather.
Yeah, going back. We're ready

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to go back, gentlemen, Martin, I got a guy in the chat

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room, a KGRA. Yeah,
he says, you look like Richard Drive.

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I think that's a d y.
I think that's a compliment. I'll

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take it as one. When you
took your hat off in your glasses,

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I was like, hey, he
does, he really does. Okay,

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here we go, guys. Yet
and we're right on time at sixteen twenty

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nine thirty in five four three two. All right, everyone, welcome back

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to the show. My guest tonight
is Chris O'Brien, and before we went

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into break, we were talking about
the San Luis Valley in Colorado. It

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is it down near four Corners,
Chris. It is considered the northeast corner

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of the Four Corners. Okay,
so it is, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. It's the the world's largest
alpine valley. It's right above the border

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with New Mexico and it actually goes
below into New Mexico and down to Taos.

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And it's about one hundred and thirty
miles long sixties seventy miles wide.

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It's football shape, completely ringed by
mountains. The valley sits, the valley

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floor is a seventh and six hundred
feet and then the mountains go up to

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fourteen a lot of them, and
it's I'm arguably has a variety and intensity

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of unexplained events that I've yet to
find another place that rivals it. Some

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people think sedonas is it has more
activity, but it really doesn't. Relatively

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speaking. Back in the early nineties, they did a the computer UFO network

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did a a per capita rating of
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and the Santonis Valley was two hundred
and seventy one sightings per ten thousand

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population. The next nearest was Bucks
County, which is fifty seven. I

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estimate that one in fifty UFOs sightings
are reported. People actually have become used

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to them and it's not that big
of a deal, so people see stuff

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all the time there. I had
dozens of sightings in the thirteen years I

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was there, including some daylight sightings
that were just amazing. One little ship

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scout ship there was one hundred and
fifty feet away from it, flew right

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in front of our car as we
were driving. Um. It's the variety

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of intensity and intensity of unexplained currencies
there. It's just it's just it's jaw

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dropping. I mean pretty much any
type of UFO craft that has been reported,

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you'll at some point somebody will see
it. Um, all the all

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the different colored orbs, from the
real big green fireballs to the small ruby

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red balls that zip around, and
the orange ones that are medium sized,

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and then a little smaller the the
you know, the kind of incandescent it's

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yellow. Um. We have fields
of lights that light up that nobody's been

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able to figure out what they are. There's thousands of lights that'll light up

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a whole hillside blinking on and off
like like um, lightning bugs or fireflies.

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UM. And then Bigfoot and other
crypto creatures elementals uh, small little

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diminutive type creatures that normally associate with
with Celtic countries. Um, what do

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you mean by elementals? UM?
Trooping fairies, UM, little guys with

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green outfits on and sunburned faces.
It's just some of the reports are just

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mind blowing UM, and coming from
really good experts or good witnesses, people

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that are above above, you know, suspicion or approach, including a world

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class you know, among the most
famous musicians in the world. And he

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was in his studio and he uh, he saw moving out of the corner

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of his eye, and coming through
the closed door was a line of He

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said, they're about eight or nine
inches tall. And he says, they're

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about seven or eight of them,
and they came through the door and in

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a line, they marched right right
by him, two feet away, and

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then disappeared in the wall through the
wall of his studio. He said they

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were dressed in little robes and had
these tall like keystone cop hats on.

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And he said they all went to
the wall, and then the last one

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stopped and it turned around and it
looked at him and gave him a dirty

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look and then turned around a walk. I'm not making this up. And

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he he had seen other things around
his house and he he just he was

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too embarrassed to call me. But
he said after that, he says,

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I I know you're gonna think I'm
totally nuts. And you know, he

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didn't drink, he didn't do drugs. He was a marshalum teenth you know.

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Yeah, no, mushrooms. You
know. He's a really spiritual guy.

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Eyes black, you know, umpteenth
black belt in karate and had forty

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pattents. He had the pattern for
the electronic guitar, was a keyboard player

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on the Star Trek theme and on
all the Golden Age of television stuff.

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Six hundred film and TV credits.
Not a lightweight and not somebody that you

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would, you know, think was
going to be trying to, you know,

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cut hallucinate something weird experience like that. And it came out in the

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heels of a bunch of stuff that
had been happening around his house. And

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it just so happens he happens to
live by some sort of portal or doorway

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to some other realm. It's right
over the hill from his house. That

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00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,640
I was able to finally, after
years of pinning it down, I was

409
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,039
able to id the actual spot talk
about a place to put some gear.

410
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,240
That would be home. Man,
I would love to put some gear there.

411
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,920
Boy. That is that is what. That's one of the strangest stories

412
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:05,079
here. I know, I know, it's it's just bizarre. Why do

413
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:09,639
you think there are locations You just
mentioned a portal, a possible portal whatever

414
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,920
I just said, But why do
you think there are locations where there are

415
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:23,360
hot spots and you know all these
it's not unusual that there's other things besides

416
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,320
UFOs. And what is a UFO
hot spot? Yeah, well, I

417
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,599
have a little formula that if you
you can say these five things about a

418
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:36,599
place, it's going to be a
hot spot area. It's a place that's

419
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,199
held is sacred to the indigenous people
of the area, a place that has

420
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,840
sacred sites that go back into prehistory. A place that has ebing and flowing

421
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,679
waves of unusual activity, not just
one thing, but but multiple things.

422
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:58,760
Um. It's also a place that
has unusual geophysical properties, whether it's like

423
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:04,480
in the case of the Sand Valley, minimum and maximum magnetic field strength butted

424
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,519
up against one another in close proximity. And also in the case of the

425
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:13,239
valley, and also like places like
Wiltshire and England, you have alternating layers

426
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,079
of water, clay and sand,
which creates almost like a natural battery.

427
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:25,559
They really have a sense that veins
of courts. There's tons of courts in

428
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:30,000
the songwriting Cristos. In fact,
on super cold, dry winter nights,

429
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,679
it's pretty rare. I've only seen
it once or twice, but you can

430
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:40,360
see the actual cold electricity grounding from
the courts in the mountains going up into

431
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:47,800
the atmosphere. And so there's a
lot of courts there. And usually an

432
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,880
area like this will have a military
or government presence, and oftentimes the government's

433
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:59,639
trying to expand their presence further into
the area to get more control of the

434
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:04,199
area. UM. So if you
have those five things, chances are you're

435
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:08,039
gonna have a place like Sedona or
around Mount Shasta, in other other spots

436
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:14,320
in the Pacific Northwest, Pine Bush, White Sands down in New Mexico.

437
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,880
There's some really cool places in Idaho
and in Montana. UM there's places all

438
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,039
up and down the Ohio River Valley
where your mound culture used to be located.

439
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:32,800
Oftentimes those mounds are on sites that
have that those five elements involved.

440
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:39,159
So that's kind of a formula that
you can use, and it's it's it's

441
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:43,960
interesting when when things are going to
happen in the San Louis Valley, we

442
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,559
see these things I call cheap fireworks. They're like giant bottle rockets at fizzle

443
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:53,960
out and I've seen them below me
in altitude complete uniform overcast sky, and

444
00:36:54,079 --> 00:37:00,440
the thing arched over Spanish Creek,
which is lined with free and it was

445
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,400
just dark enough so that you could
see the light from the object was actually

446
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,199
illuminating the tops of the trees.
These cheap fireworks tend to happen at the

447
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,239
beginning of a wave of activity,
and then boom, we'll have the UFO

448
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,880
reports. We'll have you know,
cryptocidings. One year it was flying humanoids.

449
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,400
We had a whole flurry of sidings. It's some of these undulating forms

450
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,280
that I call prairie dragons that people
see they think, you know, they

451
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,800
usually see them out of the corner
of their eye and so they don't really

452
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,360
pay attention. But I actually see
looked right at one and it went right

453
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,000
in front of me. Then when
the wave is over in a matter of

454
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:45,159
days or a week or a month, then you'll have more cheap fireworks to

455
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,599
kind of indicate the end of the
of the cycle. So you know,

456
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:52,920
once you've been in an area like
I was there for, you know,

457
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:58,559
doing full as full time investigating as
I could, you start to if you're

458
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,559
writing everything down, uh, you
can start to determine that there are some

459
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:07,239
patterns within the data and that you
can you can almost see, um,

460
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:13,559
how things kind of unfold in an
area like the San Luis Valley and there

461
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,480
there is a what appears to be
a sequence of events that usher's in and

462
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,840
usher's out a wave. And I
really do feel that the San Luis Valley

463
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:31,159
is arguably the has the most variety
and intensity of unexplained occurrences anywhere in North

464
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:37,079
America. I have not heard of
a place that has more and um and

465
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,599
intense too. I've had in the
middle of a wave, I had seventeen

466
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:45,760
phone calls in one day about five
separate events. Um, just to give

467
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:52,079
you an idea how active it can
be. Yeah, how about that.

468
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,119
Um, you know that I've been
to Four Corners and I've I've been up

469
00:38:55,159 --> 00:39:00,159
to the shaft out a lot when
I lived out in California to go up

470
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:08,119
to this lake area up there,
um cisqu ciskqu that's the county. Yeah,

471
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,719
so I would go there quite a
bit, and I do remember I

472
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,519
definitely remember feeling there was like I
wanted to get out of Four Corners When

473
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:24,760
I went there that area something felt
really it felt really weird. And this

474
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,519
is before I was looking into UFOs
at all this as many years ago.

475
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,480
The same thing with Shasta. There
are a few areas up there that I

476
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:36,760
just had just a strange feeling.
Nothing else. I didn't see anything,

477
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,679
nothing like that. But but I
do here there's a lot. Uh,

478
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:44,159
you know, since I moved out
of that area, I heard there is

479
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,480
a lot in Shasta And I've never
really heard of any main incident. Are

480
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,559
you aware of any you know,
incident or is it just like things you're

481
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,840
talking It's just I mean, if
you look at some of these stories of

482
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,079
the wind two and other natives in
the area and then equate it to some

483
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:06,400
of the events that have been reported
down to the years, again it ebbs

484
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,960
and flows, and it's fairly consistent
there as well as around Mount Adams.

485
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:15,599
The big volcanoes for some reason tend
to have this kind of activity. Mount

486
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:22,159
Saint Helens, Mount Rainier, Uh, those big mountains there along the the

487
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,880
Cascade Range and the Pacific Coast mountains. Uh, you know, do have

488
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,840
a lot of very interesting stuff going
on. I can't really think of anything

489
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,079
offhand. Of course, you have
your your apocryphal stories of the white robed,

490
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:45,920
white haired, tall, kind of
Nordic looking the hitchhikers that some people

491
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:53,400
claim live inside Mount Shasta, and
of course you do. Hey, someone

492
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,679
just posted something. We have to
go to breaking now I'd like to let's

493
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,239
see how many minutes looks like seven
minutes. So I do want to get

494
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,840
into this subject a little bit.
And I wondered if you looked into it.

495
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,119
I think the last time you were
going to be on we briefly talked

496
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:14,800
about it or passed an email about
it. The drones, the drone situation

497
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,440
out there in the Colorado Have you
looked into that at all. Yeah,

498
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,639
And a friend of mine is really
doing some major digging on that. There's

499
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:28,360
there's something going on there, maybe
some sort of espionage and may have something

500
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:34,760
to do with the Chinese. Evidently
the US is now put a moratorium on

501
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,000
any Chinese drone sales. And I
have a real strong hunt that there may

502
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:44,440
be a connection. If you look
at a map or where the drone events

503
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,159
are being reported, and then look
a map at a map of the missile

504
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:53,119
fields of our ballistic missile sites in
Wyoming, Montana, on Nebraska and Colorado,

505
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,599
it's in the same area. It
may be some sort of systematic you

506
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:05,440
know, I guess it would be
espionage. Uh that's that's about as close

507
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,639
as I can get. It's also
the hardested area back in the seventies for

508
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:14,840
cattle mutlations. Oh so um that
that is a subject I did want to

509
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:21,599
talk a little bit about. But
but wasn't weren't there reports of the actions

510
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:25,920
of these drones or some characteristics about
them that where people were saying, well

511
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,119
that that doesn't sound like a drone
or have you any part of that?

512
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:34,400
You have you heard about? Well? Yeah, some of them were pretty

513
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,039
large from what I understand that they
were the real big ones and and they

514
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:43,480
don't have the high pitched wine that
the the smaller ones like the phantoms and

515
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,960
the um you know, the smaller
drones do they have a deeper a deeper

516
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:53,960
sound because the engines are bigger.
So um you know this one group UFO

517
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:57,400
group, I think they came forward
and claimed that it was them, and

518
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:06,639
I think they were just looking for
publicity. This was a real extensive flight

519
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:12,760
program that somebody was you know,
enacting. Uh it was. There was

520
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:19,559
a lot of activity and uh it
it sounds like either some big corporation or

521
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,800
the government or maybe even another Uh
like I said, it could be the

522
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:28,119
Chinese, the Russians, who knows. Uh. I haven't really dug into

523
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,400
it that much, but I have
a friend who's really digging into it,

524
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,800
and he's he's been uncovering some pretty
interesting stuff that he's going to do an

525
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,599
article or something at some point about
it. It seems to have dropped off.

526
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:45,000
I haven't heard very much about it
in the last three weeks or so,

527
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,559
right, So I'm not sure if
those sightings are continuing or and we're

528
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,280
just not hearing about them, or
they've they've actually subsided. I wonder if

529
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,440
anyone I believe I've read that someone
did ask if there was any military,

530
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,079
you know, side of this,
and they said, no, there was

531
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:07,039
nothing the military was involved in.
Um, you know, but I guess

532
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:13,320
that's not true, because there were
waves of drones and then other drones would

533
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,880
come and chase the other drones.
So there were what appeared to be confrontations

534
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,599
drone on drones. So wow,
um that Yeah, you don't hear much

535
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,480
about that, but you know,
if these things are flying into restricted airspace

536
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,960
around whistle silos, you know there's
going to be some sort of military or

537
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,079
government response. Yeah, right,
Um, I don't know what I was

538
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,039
thinking about time. We still have
about nine minutes left. I said seven

539
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:43,679
minutes about five minutes ago. I'm
not good at math tonight. But wow.

540
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,480
Um, so, yeah, you
haven't heard about anything happening with them

541
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:52,840
lately, and so so maybe it's
something that won't occur again. But but

542
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:58,159
I know people, there are some
people that are really looking for answers and

543
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,519
want to know what it is,
what's going on. Yeah, I don't

544
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:05,400
know if you've ever been in that
area, but it's it's really the middle

545
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,000
of nowhere. Where is it exactly? Again, it's right we're Nebraska,

546
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,960
Colorado and you know kind of Wyoming
in Montana come together there. It's so

547
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:28,079
be m south western Nebraska, northeastern
Colorado or northeastern Nebraska. Oh wait a

548
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:31,760
minute, I'm getting confused. It's
right up there in the quarter of Colorado

549
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:38,360
World County and then over the Platte
River into Nebraska and then I think into

550
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,639
Wyoming. And that's right where all
the missile fields are. So it's right

551
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:49,159
around the missile fields. That is
interesting. Interesting. Well, um,

552
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,440
yeah, we may not know much
about that. So the cattle mutilations,

553
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,960
now, um, you just mentioned
a few minutes ago that and the area

554
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,440
in particular was where there was a
lot of cattle mutilations. Yeah, yeah,

555
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,760
quite a number of hundreds, hundreds, And and you are the guy

556
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,840
when it comes to that. Remind
me, Stalking the Herd is at the

557
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,840
name of your book? Correct?
Yeah, when did that come out?

558
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,159
How how long? I know we've
talked about it on the show before,

559
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,480
but again there's a lot of new
people. Yeah, how long did it

560
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:27,519
take you to put that book together? And why don't you talk a little

561
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:31,519
bit about that? Well? Yeah, it's probably my least favorite thing to

562
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:39,400
do in life is is investigate dead
rotting cows. Um. It's it really

563
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:45,079
was not pleasant. But because back
in the nineties we had so many cases

564
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:50,039
that were being reported and nobody was
really looking into him, that I kind

565
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:53,840
of got caught up in the intrigue
of thousands of pounds of physical evidence,

566
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:00,719
you know, and you know,
it's the only supposed paranormal phenomenon on the

567
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,079
leaves behind you know, thousands of
pounds of evidence. Um, And that

568
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:12,239
part of it just was very hard
to ignore. And the ranching community really

569
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,480
was in need of somebody to to
at least, you know, look into

570
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:21,320
it and try to come up with
some answers and UM. By the time

571
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,760
I had really gotten going and had
I don't know, several dozen of them

572
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:31,960
under my belt. UM, the
local sheriff's departments realized, Hey, this

573
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,679
guy is willing to go there and
and do the work and send off forensic

574
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,159
samples UM and and plant and soil
samples. In a few cases, I

575
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,960
was part of a study and UM, and so they would literally kind of

576
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,000
call me and have me be the
investigator. So I was getting everything right

577
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:59,079
from the police will sheriff's dispatch and
UH and going out and and UM and

578
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,519
you know, helping trying to help
the ranchers cope with it. It's it's

579
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:07,719
very scary. UH. When you
know, good breeding cow is found um

580
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:15,360
with no sign of cause of death. Oftentimes its own tracks aren't even there.

581
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:20,400
UM. Sometimes they're in the wrong
pasture. UH. And you know,

582
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:28,480
define soft tissue organ's gone with the
dogs not barking, nobody's seeing anything

583
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,880
or occasionally lights are seen or helicopters. UM. This this is really spooky.

584
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,639
I mean, number one, the
guy's out, you know, anywhere

585
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,159
from four hundred to one thousand dollars
even more. Plus if it's a breeding

586
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:45,679
cow. Um that cow is not
going to be having babies for the next

587
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:51,119
four or five years. So this
is a real financial hit on you know,

588
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,840
these small ranching operations, and uh, you know somebody. I just

589
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,239
felt that somebody, you know,
should be looked into this. And I

590
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,599
don't care what any of the skeptics
say. Some of these cases, without

591
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:12,400
question, are being perpetrated by someone
with intelligence and with the aid of sharp

592
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:20,239
cutting implements. One thing that you
know, I literally worked twenty two years

593
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,239
researching the book, and it took
me eighteen solid months to write it.

594
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,960
I combined all the known databases together. I was the only person that really

595
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:36,400
knew everybody and one exception. And
you know, David Perkins helped me do

596
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:42,960
the research and was instrumental in helping
me gain access to the main databases.

597
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,800
And this is the first time anyone
has really tried to put all the information

598
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,960
together in one book and be objective
about it and not just you know,

599
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,199
put blinders on and look at five
or ten percent of the data that supports

600
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:59,679
an alien conclusion, or look at
the cases that support a predator inclusion,

601
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:05,840
you know, mundane scavenger action.
I looked at all the data, and

602
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,119
I tried to be as objectives as
possible and non judgmental. And um,

603
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,639
you know, I'm really proud of
the book. It's probably what I'll be

604
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:20,199
most remembered for. I good luck
giant to top it. I mean,

605
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,719
you know, it's I'm proud of
it. Yeah. Were there any cases

606
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:30,760
I've heard this before? And tell
me if you've ever saw a case where

607
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:36,000
it almost appeared as if the cow
had been dropped. Yes, many,

608
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,320
many, many, Yeah, at
least a dozen, if not more.

609
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,679
In fact, we found a pile
of three I think it was three,

610
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,599
three cows with horns and a horse, and they had been dropped in one

611
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,880
pile and the horns had been snapped
off on the bottom side. The ribs

612
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,599
have been broken right next to the
rib to the spine. Um, it

613
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:06,960
looked like they've been dropped from a
considerable height. Um. We've had cases

614
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,320
of cows that appear to have clamp
marks on their their rear ends, their

615
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:19,320
back and um and the rear legs. Um. We've had cows that have

616
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,400
their heads twisted around because they've been
dropped in and landed in an awkward uh

617
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:30,639
way. Uh. Many of these
animals do appear to have been dropped from

618
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,559
you know, a fairly considerable height. And of course, you know,

619
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:42,639
there's been so many helicopter sightings associated
with the cases. UM and a lot

620
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:46,719
of times the ranchers aren't going to
report these things because they know nothing good

621
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,519
will come of it, that no
one's gonna come up with an answer,

622
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,320
no one's going to be you know, charging anybody. All it's gonna do

623
00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:00,159
is give the rancher unwanted publicity.
It'll make him look stigmatized and community and

624
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:06,079
so UM. Generally, I think
now very few ranchers are reporting them,

625
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:13,239
but the ones that do report them, UM oftentimes they report because they see

626
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,000
helicopters. And you know, if
they see helicopters and they think they're being

627
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:21,559
victimized by their government, UH,
and so that that kind of ticks them

628
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,239
off, and they you know,
an angry rancher will be more apt to

629
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:31,119
call UH and file a report than
a rancher who's scared and so UM.

630
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:36,519
I really do think that there's a
you know, it's maybe one in ten

631
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:40,760
or being reported. I think it's
much more pervasive than UH than you would

632
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:47,559
think. UH. We've had cases
uh lately in Oregon, which is highly

633
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:52,639
unusual. Anything west of the Rockies
is fairly unusual. We've had cases in

634
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:59,119
central and northern Florida and southern Georgia. UM. There's been cases in Nebraska

635
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,199
about five or six years ago.
We had cases in Missouri. UM.

636
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,400
We've had possibly some cases in southern
Colorado, but I think they're equivocal.

637
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:15,280
I wouldn't I wouldn't count them in
the in the totals. But we've had

638
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,960
we had some cases in UH in
Europe. UM, we've had a cheap

639
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,119
mutilations in UH in Wales, which
is, you know, the western part

640
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:30,039
of the middle of the Midlands in
England. Um, did this up?

641
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:32,119
Did this? We have to go
in one minute for for a break?

642
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:36,440
Did this all start with Skippy the
horse? Is that what I remember?

643
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,199
No? Snippy? But it started
started back in sixteen oh five is my

644
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,920
earliest case I can find. How
All right, so we are going into

645
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,320
break. So this is a real
break. UM. So hanging there and

646
00:53:50,719 --> 00:54:22,159
hanging there. Everyone will be right
back right after these messages. Welcome back

647
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:28,079
everyone. My guest this evening is
Christopher O'Brien. And before we headed into

648
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:36,079
the break, we were talking about
cattle mutilations and fascinating subject that another thing

649
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,119
that doesn't make any sense, that
is happening, another thing in the real

650
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:45,400
world, I should say that happens
that is so hard to explain. And

651
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:50,199
I saw some questions in the chat
room and basically people who are asking,

652
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:54,360
what have you ever come up with
a conclusion some type of conclusion or what

653
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:01,440
your thoughts are? Why why these
things happen? Well, I think number

654
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:07,000
one, there is no hardfast answer. I have a sense that there's multiple

655
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:12,760
groups involved doing this for for different
agendas, and they're all kind of interweaving

656
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,800
there their agendas with others and in
some cases to try to throw investigators and

657
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,199
law enforcement off their track and m
and hide their cases in and amongst others.

658
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,920
UM. I think there's a multiple
of things that can be determined.

659
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,360
UM. One of the things that
I've I've noticed is that well, first

660
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,960
of all, you know, beef
is the largest income producer in agriculture.

661
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:44,440
You know, there was more money
is generated through selling beef than any other

662
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:52,639
part of the large you know,
agri business, and the beef lobby in

663
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:57,639
this country is probably the most powerful
lobby that you never hear anything about,

664
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,800
UM, except if you're Oprah and
you say on the air You're not gonna

665
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:09,000
eat another Hamburger again, and get
sued for two billion dollars. That's the

666
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:15,280
only time that you hear about the
beef industry or the old Robert Mitcham commercials

667
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:21,079
beef. It's what's for dinner,
right. The beef industry is incredibly powerful.

668
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:27,639
We slaughter one cow about every second
in this country, while McDonald's alone

669
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:35,679
buys a billion pounds of beef a
year on rail. This is a yeah,

670
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,760
this is a huge, a huge
business. And one thing that I

671
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,320
do in Stalking the Herd is I
show in the first chapter how our relationship

672
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:51,119
with cattle has evolved from twelve thousand, five hundred years ago when we first

673
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:58,119
started domesticating these giant creatures called rocks
that were the pregenitor specie to a modern

674
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:05,079
day domestic cows and cattle. And
back then we worshiped cows. I mean

675
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,199
it was a big deal. The
bull in the in the in the calf

676
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,880
and stuff. I mean it's even
in the Bible. Um, Aaron and

677
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:16,880
Moses may have been competing priests and
competing cattle cults. For instance, you

678
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:22,119
don't see reference to cattle too much
in the Bible. James the First took

679
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,400
out most of the references to cattle
in the Bible. There were there used

680
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,760
to be tons of them. And
isn't it interesting that right when he was

681
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,679
beginning that process, hundreds and hundreds
of sleep sheep. Rather, we're being

682
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:38,920
slain around London, with their inward
parts taken in the meat in the in

683
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:45,320
the wolves left behind of this sundry
conjectures, but most would agree it tendeth

684
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:51,920
toward fireworks. Was the quote in
the in the records of James the First.

685
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:59,880
Um, so you know, we're
unceremoniously slaughtering uh, millions of head

686
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,360
of cattle. And uh, it's
it's a ritual act, but it's it's

687
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:10,840
not done with reverence. Um.
That's the difference between kosher meat, for

688
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,800
instance, and uh and uh.
And you know the way the some other

689
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:22,559
cultures slaughter animals, Um, it's
done with reverence. Um, we're unceremoniously

690
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:28,599
slaughtering animals. And I think what
we're doing is we're creating what could be

691
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:35,320
called sort of a kind of a
psychic riptide. I think. And um,

692
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,360
one thing that I'm fairly certain of
is that the beef industry and the

693
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:45,159
government is deathly afraid of mad cow
disease all of a sudden appearing in the

694
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:53,679
food chain. And I think that
out of all the overriding potential explanations UM

695
00:58:54,159 --> 00:59:00,760
checking the food chain and testing the
environment for for one of the were scourges

696
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:05,880
known to man UH, the preon
disease is UM. I think one of

697
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:12,119
the main motivators for the mutilations.
I also think that there's cases that UM

698
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:19,320
may be checking the environment for residual
radiation. The areas that tend to be

699
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,159
hit the hardest in North America at
least are areas that had most of the

700
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:30,639
above ground nuclear test site fallout,
and that in a combination of copper and

701
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:36,079
UM, it makes the animals more
susceptible to breaking out with preon disease.

702
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,320
All animals have preon ZENIM. It's
just it's like HIV, it kicks off

703
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:46,639
into full blown UM you know,
chronic wasting disease UM UH if if if

704
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:52,079
the environmental factors are correct, UM
It's it's a really complicated subject, but

705
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:59,719
I have a feeling that those those
are probably the main motivations I think behind

706
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,719
the the modern phase of it.
At the core, there is something high

707
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:07,440
strange going on. There are cases
that cannot be explained. Those are the

708
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:14,519
cases that people like Linda Howe and
Chuck Zikowski and others are really interested in,

709
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,559
But they only are about five or
ten percent of the total of cases.

710
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:27,480
The other ninety percent are not done
by some high strange perpetrator, whether

711
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:34,800
it's an alien, whether it's a
dimensional you know, predator, or high

712
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,559
tech chefs coming back from the future
to harvest illegal cattle parts. You know,

713
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:44,599
you can come up with all kinds
of interesting scenarios to explain excuse me,

714
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:47,960
what the high you know, the
high strange cases are. But I

715
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,840
think the majority of them are done
with sharp scalpels by very very skilled surgeons

716
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,800
who are doing this to test the
environment. It's not so much the cow,

717
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:02,559
it's where it is in the environment
that's important. And stalking the herd

718
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:07,440
goes into all the various explanations,
looks at how they started, and then

719
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:14,480
traces the meme into the present day
and shows how they all could be possible.

720
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:19,119
There's a lot of evidence to support
each one of these theories, but

721
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:23,320
then there's way more evidence to refute
them. So yeah, that's why I

722
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:29,039
think we're dealing with something that's multifarious, that it is not one size fits

723
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:36,360
all. Well, you know you
touched on something earlier when we started talking

724
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,000
about this, and that is the
lobby. You know, the they have

725
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:44,800
the strongest lobby. And I will
tell you this. My son has been

726
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,360
vegan for I don't know, over
a year, and he was telling me

727
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:54,599
that there is so much propaganda out
there against you know, plant based diets

728
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,360
and you know them just saying that
you know, you'll become frail and unhealthy

729
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:07,360
and and uh and uh, you
know it's deadly to be a vegetarian basically,

730
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,639
and it's and it's suppolsedly you know, propaganda from uh you know the

731
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,280
uh, the meat industry, right
and UH is that you think that's so?

732
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:25,280
It wouldn't surprise me. UM,
I don't you know, big money.

733
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:30,920
UM has a lot of power and
influence, and UM, I think

734
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:36,760
to counteract the increasing numbers of people
that are realizing that beef, beef and

735
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:42,320
the red meat protein isn't isn't healthy. UM, I think obviously they're going

736
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,840
to be doing there's going to be
some pushback and I think that UM,

737
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,960
he's He's probably right it's not something
that you're going to see that's overt I

738
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,320
think it's going to be uh,
it's going to be real kind of underhanded,

739
01:02:54,840 --> 01:03:00,239
if you will. But um,
you don't think about it. There's

740
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:07,239
one point five billion cattle on the
planet, and that's a lot of cows.

741
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,800
That's that's if you add it up, the weight of that amount of

742
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,639
cows, they're more than the weight
of all the humans on the planet.

743
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:19,480
Cattle are really detrimental to the environment
and they're detrimental to human health. They're

744
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:24,719
one of the largest sources of ozone
depleting gas methane, second largest natural source

745
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:34,320
of methane. They're the largest cause
of deserts because cattle really do dig up

746
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,599
the environment. They're the main reason
why we're cutting down the rainforest to make

747
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:44,360
room for more cows. They also
are one of the largest freshwater polluters.

748
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,400
And whenever we have like recalls of
spinach because of E. Coli and stuff,

749
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:55,000
oftentimes that's a feedlot. That's that's
you know, somehow contaminated the groundwater.

750
01:03:55,679 --> 01:04:00,360
Um. You know, there's areas
in the Gulf of Mexico off the

751
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:04,079
you know, North Carolina areas where
we have lots of pig farms and cattle

752
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:10,159
and stuff that are dead areas in
the ocean. And you know, like

753
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,920
I said, prion disease and tracks
wind to pest. I mean, there's

754
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:18,800
a whole bunch of diseases that come
from cows. And and you know what

755
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:23,280
is it. Sixty percent of the
growth horn or eighty percent of the growth

756
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,920
hormones that we used in this country
go into cattle. Sixty percent of the

757
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:32,119
end or eighty percent of the antibiotics, sixty percent of the growth hormones steroids

758
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:38,400
go into cows. We wonder why
our little girls are going into puberty at

759
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,840
eight and nine years old, it's
because of all the growth hormones that are

760
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:46,400
in the meat. And you know, I love beef. I don't eat

761
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,119
it very much, but when I
do, it's grass fed and it comes

762
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:54,800
from a local source. It's not
something that you know, I get at

763
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:59,800
Walmart or I get it to McDonald's. I will not eat industrialized meat protein.

764
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,840
Um. It's it's really it's you
know, at some point it's going

765
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:09,000
to be like playing Russian Roulette.
We are invariably going to have some sort

766
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:15,519
of you know, nasty food chain
outbreak, and uh, probably yeah,

767
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:17,960
I mean it's just inevitable. Um, it just seems to be going that

768
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,599
way. So you know, the
book is not only about the mystery of

769
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:30,079
cattle mutilations. It's about our our
very dysfunctional, symbiotic and almost incestuous relationship

770
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:35,360
with bovines. And uh. One
thing that blows people away when I tell

771
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:41,000
me is is cattle mutulations only happen
in Christian countries number one. In number

772
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:45,840
two, I have never been able
to find a sacred Brahma cow from India

773
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,000
that's been mutilated. All the millions, all the millions of cows in the

774
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:54,639
in the world, there's not one
Brahma that I've found that's been mutilated.

775
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,800
And India has never had a cattle
mutilation case to my to my knowledge.

776
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:03,440
And they're the largest exporter or beef
because they don't eat the cows, oh

777
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:09,840
my god. And yeah, so
and there's but there's McDonald's in India.

778
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:15,360
If they don't they don't serve hamburgers
two hundred and ninety I think McDonald's or

779
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:21,920
something in India. But they serve
like h Mcaloo and mctan dory and you

780
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:26,559
know, these kind of they should
serve all that in Indian McDonald's food over

781
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:29,840
here hell of a lot healthier.
Yeah, that's for sure, Wow,

782
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,400
because I believe in it. It's
really gross, but I believe you said

783
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:39,320
there's something like five hundred, up
to five hundred different cows and one beef

784
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:45,400
patty something. Well McDonald's admits that
up to one hundred one could be represented,

785
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,320
but some people say that as many
as a thousand animals could be in

786
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,840
one the parts from a thousand animals. And if that doesn't make me want

787
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,559
to quit McDonald's nothing, well,
well, you know, again, I

788
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,920
don't want to get sued by the
beef industry. And you know, I'm

789
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,280
not saying don't eat beef. I'm
just saying, be really smart about it,

790
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,880
and um eat local movie as a
great she used to call it,

791
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:13,159
um. You know, um eat
um. You know meat that's that's grown

792
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:16,800
in your region, and um make
sure it's grass fed, not not from

793
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,519
you know, some feed lock.
Yeah. Yeah, and it's it's really

794
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:26,280
an atrocity the way that the animals
are treated. Yeah. Yeah, it's

795
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,360
horrific, just terrible. But um, okay, So that that's interesting and

796
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,559
we you know, we're going to
take calls in about fifteen minutes or so.

797
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,719
And when we do that, you
know, some people may want to

798
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:44,360
bring up some cattle mutilation. UM. You know questions UM when they when

799
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,920
they talk to you. But for
right now, let's move on. Let's

800
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,719
talk about what you're doing with James
Fox. Oh yeah, yeah, that's

801
01:07:53,360 --> 01:08:00,320
UM. I ran into James at
the UM I guess it was a congress

802
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:05,320
and we started talking a bit and
had I had known about his project,

803
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:12,320
that he had been working on UM
since twenty thirteen. He had me out

804
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:17,199
to interview me and others UM,
pretty much anybody that's uh, anybody in

805
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:26,000
the field was invited out to LA
and was interviewed on a green screen set.

806
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,800
And as as some of your listeners
may know, UM, you know,

807
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:38,560
I I'm real a big fan of
Ray Stanford's work, and I'm I've

808
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,600
often said that if he had a
fan club, I'd be the president of

809
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,600
it. UM. I really do
to feel at raised work as head and

810
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,000
shoulders above pretty much anybody in the
field. And I was instrumental in in

811
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:56,199
introducing James to Terray and I've been
kind of keeping tabs on his progress.

812
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,760
He's had some real you know,
ups and downs over the six years that

813
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,199
he's been attempting to do this film
called The Phenomenon. And when I ran

814
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:09,760
into him last summer at the at
the Congress, he said, look,

815
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,920
you know, I'm right at that
point where it would sure be good to

816
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,720
have you come out and and check
this out and see, you know,

817
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:18,000
just kind of helped me, you
know, put this baby to bed.

818
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:24,399
So I made a couple of chips
out there and and helped him go over

819
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:29,560
and fine tune the thing. Cut
it down from two hours to ninety minutes.

820
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,800
Excuse me, actually it was about
two hours and fifteen minutes. And

821
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,479
and helped a little bit on on
you know, the trailer. Uh uh

822
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,920
you know, kind of tweaked a
little bit here, tweaked a little bit

823
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,359
there, helped him, uh talk
with his composer, and um, I

824
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,359
was really honored that he he asked
me to do that. And um it

825
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:57,119
was also an honor to be uh, you know, one or two people

826
01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:00,359
that he trusted to to help him
put the thing to bed, other being

827
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,920
Jack Ballet and uh, to you
know, be able to spend some time

828
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:08,079
with Jacque and and work on the
on the film was was you know,

829
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,600
kind of a high point for me, uh, you know, professionally,

830
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:18,439
And I must say that, Um, the thing that's most impressive besides the

831
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:24,439
fact that James is the only real
filmmaker in upology. Um, there's a

832
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,439
lot of people that can slap,
you know, stuff together, but nobody

833
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:32,000
that does it with the land and
um and the the elegance that he does.

834
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,760
Uh. I'm a huge fan of
his work. He's a very talented

835
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:43,079
storyteller. And when I found out
that he got a theatrical release, I

836
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:47,239
was just flabbergast. I don't think
any UFO film has ever been shown in

837
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:54,399
a movie theater. Nine hundred theaters, right, and and it'll go to

838
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:59,079
fifteen hundred different takes takes off.
Um, that is a big deal.

839
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:04,680
And yes, the realization of what
people are going to be seen. Ninety

840
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:09,920
of the audience, maybe even more, is going to have maybe a passing

841
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,359
interest in UFOs, but they are
not going to have very little, if

842
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:21,199
any knowledge about the history, the
modern history of UFOs. And so this

843
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:28,600
movie is not only going to be
a crash course in the whole field of

844
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:33,079
uthology and the unfolding of cases since
nineteen forty seven, since the Kenneth Arnold

845
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:41,399
siding. But it's also has cases
and footage that I've never seen before and

846
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,199
that anybody that I've talked to it's
seen the film has never seen before.

847
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,840
So there's something for everybody. There's
something for the you know, the cynical,

848
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:56,720
jaded uthologists, all the way to
the you know, ten year old

849
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,880
kid. It's just you know,
interested in the subject but doesn't have a

850
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,760
knowledge base. So um, one
thing that I realized, you know,

851
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:12,760
when he delivered the film to have
the trailer finished, is the James is

852
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:20,000
disclosure of the people. This will
be disclosure for them because they don't know

853
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:23,880
the stuff that you and I do, or a lot of your listeners,

854
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:29,000
they're not familiar. They're not familiar
with any of it. And maybe they've

855
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,800
heard the word roswell, maybe they
heard about the tic tac, but they,

856
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,359
you know, they don't really know
the ins and outs the popcorn munchion.

857
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:40,319
Crowds of thousands and thousands of people
that are going to be sitting in

858
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:44,239
that theater, ninety percent of them
are going to be getting a wake up

859
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:48,239
call, major wake up call,
and I you know, people have been

860
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:54,119
asking for disclosure. This is disclosure. Everything will be different after this film.

861
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:59,039
I mark my words on that.
This is a huge, huge step

862
01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:03,800
forward or the subject. And I'll
tell you James deserves all the success and

863
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:08,600
all the accolades he's gonna get.
But I keep warning them saying, now

864
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,079
you're gonna be You're gonna be the
figurehead for the whole movement. So good

865
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:16,840
luck with that. Yeah, everybody's
gonna they're gonna be calling you up every

866
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,399
time there's a question. And now
you know, with that, with that

867
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:27,600
New York Times article two years ago
and and the tic tac toem, it's

868
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,159
uh um, you know, in
the revelation of the h the advanced aerial

869
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:36,079
threat to group and stuff. I
mean that really made it okay for the

870
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:42,119
media to cover this stuff seriously.
And if James had tried to finish this

871
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:45,439
film two years ago and get it
on the movie screens, he wouldn't have

872
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,560
had a chance. I think you're
you're perfectly because the subject, the subject

873
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:56,640
is now mainstream. James is perfectly
positioned and perfect timing to have a theatrical

874
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,479
release. And I'm telling you,
they're doing a five point one surround sound.

875
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,359
There's a world class composer who's doing
all the music. Everything is color

876
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,840
corrected. I mean, it's it's
a real feature film. This is not

877
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:14,720
just some you know, yeah episode
you're going to see on History Channel or

878
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,800
something. This is this is the
serious stuff. This is the big time.

879
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:23,319
And I am so proud of him
and proud of everybody that was involved

880
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:26,439
in this project. And I was
very, very honored to be asked to

881
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,399
help out. Yeah, we'll talk
a little more about that. I just

882
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,119
gonna tell you funny story. I
was texting with him the other day and

883
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:39,079
he was under his car. He
was texting, Uh, the guy never

884
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:44,840
stops working. He's he's amazing and
uh. But yeah, I wish that

885
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,119
all this success. But you actually
got to see the screener or you got

886
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:51,079
you got to see the film.
What was your reaction. I've seen the

887
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:56,039
film a whole bunch of times.
Um, Like I said, there was

888
01:14:56,119 --> 01:14:59,960
footage in there that I'd never seen
before. There are cases that he meant

889
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:04,479
that I'd never heard before. I've
read hundreds of books on the UFOs,

890
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:12,239
hundreds, and I was, you
know, it's just it's put together so

891
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,159
well and so professionally. Like I
said, it doesn't matter how much you

892
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:20,039
know about the field. There's something
that's gonna make you scratch your head.

893
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:27,039
Go I didn't know that, and
you know, I think it's I'm not

894
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:30,520
a big eth guy. I as
many people out there who know my work

895
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:40,680
know that I'm I prefer to you
know, I've been saying this for years.

896
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:46,640
We need to exhaust all mundane explanations
and closed system explanations before we think

897
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:51,279
were important enough for anything out there
to come here. It's just the way

898
01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:57,319
that these things manifest, the way
that the aliens interact with us, all

899
01:15:57,359 --> 01:16:01,479
the different types of craft, all
the different types of beings, there's something

900
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:06,239
tied into consciousness that's involved. It's
closed system. I don't feel anything out

901
01:16:06,279 --> 01:16:11,079
there is coming here. Ray Stanford
is the only one that convinces me that

902
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:15,079
I might be wrong. His work
is the only work that is pulling me

903
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:21,399
back towards the eth I'm a I'm
a real I don't know. I'm an

904
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:26,239
a contrarian. You know. I
would rather think there's other tenants in our

905
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:31,560
building than something out there thinking that
we're important enough to come and keep gathering

906
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,640
flowers and picking up rocks like they've
never seen them. And this is all

907
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:41,560
theatrical. There's something being staged for
us, it's pulling us off planet.

908
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:46,079
I think that it's a collective unconscious
manifestation to pull us off planet. The

909
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:55,079
planet itself maybe co creating these events
along with our collective unconscious. I'm in

910
01:16:55,199 --> 01:17:01,439
a much different place than the people
that think about this subject. And uh,

911
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:06,720
I just you know, but for
all the people that think we're being

912
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,279
visited by aliens, this this is
your film. He doesn't come out and

913
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:15,119
say that, but it's it's it's
hinted. It's hinted that all over the

914
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:19,159
place so well, which which is
cool. It's entertaining. I'm gonna I'm

915
01:17:19,159 --> 01:17:23,039
gonna love it. I can't wait
to see. I'm gonna be watching the

916
01:17:23,079 --> 01:17:26,439
crowd. I'm not gonna be watching
the screen. I'll be watching how everybody's

917
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,800
responding to all this. It's gonna
be fun. It's we mark my words.

918
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:34,439
This is gonna be huge. And
he does. It couldn't happen to

919
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,560
a nicer guy. James is one
of the nicest, sweetest, biggest hearted

920
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,600
people I've ever known. And uh, he and his wife Rebecca and his

921
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,439
son Alie are just incredible people.
And man, I'll tell you, it's

922
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:54,960
just all the work and effort,
and he almost lost everything during the process.

923
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,199
It's just so so cool that he's
been able to get this thing put

924
01:17:59,279 --> 01:18:01,439
to bed and I'm so proud of
him. Wow, So you went out

925
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:05,399
over towards Stenson Beach over there?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was

926
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:12,560
in the Bellius right and yep,
been there many times. Now. I

927
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,119
think that's interesting what you you've just
said, because one of the questions I

928
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:19,880
asked a lot of my guests and
I just did last week Christophertowski Rakowski.

929
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:28,159
I asked him, you know,
why would we be visited by an entail?

930
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,000
And if there's intelligent life out there, what makes us so special?

931
01:18:31,079 --> 01:18:35,920
If there's possibly forty billion, you
know, earthlike planets with some type of

932
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:41,800
life possibly in our galaxy. And
I have to say always possibly, because

933
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,720
no one really knows. But what
makes us so special? Why we're being

934
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,239
visited? He said? Water?
Water is unusual, but um, and

935
01:18:48,399 --> 01:18:53,119
that's probably one of the reasons why
we'd be visited. But you know,

936
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:59,319
there's a lot of questions out there. I don't know about the consciousness thing.

937
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,640
He did actually mentioned that a lot
of people are talking about that these

938
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:08,760
days, so that it's uh could
have an involvement with that, I kind

939
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,720
of I like to just continue to
just say that I have no idea and

940
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:20,399
you know, uh, well,
like I discussed on the show before,

941
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:24,399
I'm an experience or I've been close
enough to touch them, they are not

942
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,640
human. They're they're uh, they're
bipedal. They look kind of like us

943
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:33,880
but not really. Um, and
they're real changed my life. I mean,

944
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:40,039
I'm a completely different person as a
as a direct result of that experience

945
01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:43,720
when I was seven years old,
Um, can you talk about that again,

946
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,800
because a lot of people never remember
remember that. Yeah, I'm growing

947
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,840
up in BLB, Washington. I
one night in the spring of sixty three,

948
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:56,880
I I just you know, I
was almost seven, just about a

949
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:01,640
month away from my birthday, and
I woke up because there was a strange

950
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,000
kind of light in my room and
it was these two foot tall glittering wands

951
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:12,560
with spears as I called them,
that these little entities were holding around my

952
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:18,039
bed, and the light would glitter
up and down and was shining enough residual

953
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:21,800
lights so I could see the figures, not very well, but I could

954
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:27,279
see that they were extremely skinny.
I called them stick men with big heads,

955
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,479
and they literally followed me around my
neighborhood at three in the morning,

956
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:38,560
and I was trying to go call
my parents so that they could come and

957
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:43,920
save me and rescue me from these
these little guys. There were three of

958
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,000
them, possibly a fourth in the
back. It was hiding, excuse me.

959
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:54,520
And they didn't walk. They glide. They kind of glided. They

960
01:20:54,600 --> 01:21:00,560
all moved together like cattails. They
just kind of slid along the ground.

961
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:04,920
It was fairly terrifying. I went
to two neighbors tried to get them to

962
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:09,760
answer the door at three in the
morning and call my parents. One of

963
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,479
them actually did. I don't know
what happened. I ended up five houses

964
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,640
away my sister after an indetermined amount
of time. She said about twenty minutes.

965
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,279
I think it may have been longer. She was eighteen, I was

966
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:28,520
six. She found me. I
was absolutely terrified. She took me into

967
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,560
the house. Of course, I
refused to go and sleep in my bedroom.

968
01:21:31,159 --> 01:21:34,199
I was too afraid. And so
she says, okay, well you

969
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:38,439
can sleep in the bed with me, and to just to give you an

970
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,439
idea of how traumatized I was in
my sleep, I tried to nurse her.

971
01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:47,159
Oh my god, Yeah, that's
how freaked out I was. My

972
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:50,479
parents said, you were you know
it was you had a nightmare. You

973
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:56,439
were sleepwalking. When I ran out
the kitchen door, I forgot my dad

974
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,880
had put the screen door on,
and I ran right into the screen door,

975
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:06,119
and you know, sorry, I
wasn't sleepwalking. And it changed my

976
01:22:06,199 --> 01:22:12,199
life. I mean, I've been
absolutely, you know, really interested in

977
01:22:12,279 --> 01:22:15,640
the subject ever since. I hid
my interest for a lot of years.

978
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,680
And when I finally you know,
when I moved to Colorado and all this

979
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,800
stuff was flying around, everybody was
seeing it, I felt comfortable enough to

980
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:29,600
come out and and talk about it
and start investigating. Wow, that is

981
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,680
uh, that's really quite the way
to get started. I do remember the

982
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,640
story, just not the details of
it. I never saw a ship.

983
01:22:38,359 --> 01:22:41,039
I was yelling at him, why
don't you, you know, say something,

984
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:43,560
talk to me, what do you
want? What do you want?

985
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:49,000
They refused or were unable to communicate
with me. I didn't have any telepathic

986
01:22:49,079 --> 01:22:54,960
communication. I didn't have any any
sort of you know, indication at all

987
01:22:55,079 --> 01:23:00,520
that they of anything positive or negative. They seem like bio robots, something

988
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:09,079
totally devoid of any sort of you
know, any sort of expression or you

989
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:12,640
know, I kind of blanked out
their faces. I think, I'm I

990
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,600
bet you if I got regrets,
i'd probably remember a lot of stuff.

991
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:20,439
But I feel okay with the experience, and I don't really I don't want

992
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:26,680
to open up Pandora's box with that. One ever ever happened again? Nope,

993
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:29,439
well, at one time I had
it. One thing that happened.

994
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,239
It could have been it could have
been something. I have six hours of

995
01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:36,399
missing time in the middle of the
southern Utah desert. That it was a

996
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:42,960
pretty interesting experience. Wow, that
is yeah, all right, Well,

997
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:45,760
I am going to put the phone
number up so if anyone would like to

998
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:50,399
call in, you can see that
we have racists be over there screening the

999
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:57,399
calls, and that number is eight
five five four seven two five four eight

1000
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,079
three. Numbers up on the screen. If you're on YouTube again, that

1001
01:24:00,199 --> 01:24:06,760
number is eight five five four seven
two five four eight three, And feel

1002
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:13,119
free to call in and ask our
guests a question. We're standing by.

1003
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:19,760
And so you had that experience,
You've seen a lot of things happen in

1004
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:27,079
Colorado. Yeah, Have you had
sightings elsewhere as well? Yes, yes,

1005
01:24:27,159 --> 01:24:31,159
I have. My first sighting was
third week Friday, September nineteen seventy

1006
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:34,039
nine. I was up in New
Paul's, New York with a group of

1007
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:39,920
friends. Three of us were had
gobbled mushrooms, the other three hadn't.

1008
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:47,960
We all shared the same experience.
There was absolutely no difference between the the

1009
01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:57,960
enhanced experience and the regular conscious experience. It was a group of lights way

1010
01:24:58,039 --> 01:25:01,199
up in the sky. They looked
like stars, and we seemed to be

1011
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:05,960
in communication with them. We were
creating. My brothers said, let's let's

1012
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:10,760
try an experiment, and so we
made a square, laid down in the

1013
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,920
form of a square, and then
we did a circle, we did a

1014
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,000
triangle, and the objects in the
sky mirrored what we did, which is

1015
01:25:17,119 --> 01:25:20,239
very strange. And then then our
ride came and we left and went to

1016
01:25:20,319 --> 01:25:25,640
the party. I was in college
and having a good time, and it

1017
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,920
was like, hey would never believe
what just happened. You know. That

1018
01:25:29,119 --> 01:25:31,840
was my first siding. I had
a really good siding after I moved to

1019
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:36,439
Sedona. It looked like one of
the tic TACs. It flew broad daylight

1020
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:42,359
three o'clock March twenty seventh, two
thousand and five. It flew right up

1021
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,359
Oat Creek, right through middle of
town. Six other people reported it.

1022
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:51,560
It seemed to be about thirty or
forty feet long. Was looked like a

1023
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:56,760
flying egg, maybe a little flattened. Had at one end seemed to be

1024
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,920
a little bit more pointed than the
other end, so it actually did.

1025
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:04,199
It looked like an egg. No
wings, no propulsion, no noise um.

1026
01:26:05,239 --> 01:26:11,119
I caught a well good look at
it for about I don't know,

1027
01:26:11,319 --> 01:26:15,680
seven seconds, maybe eight seconds as
it flew along before you know, the

1028
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:21,399
house and some trees obscured the view. But that was pretty interesting. I've

1029
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:28,039
had some nighttime sidings there, including
a siding of two arm big range orbs

1030
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:32,720
that got chased away by Air Force
jets. Oh wow those wow? Yeah.

1031
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,800
Hey, we get calls stacking up, so okay, go ahead.

1032
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:41,039
Also get right into him. We
have Steve calling from Las Vegas. Stevie're

1033
01:26:41,079 --> 01:26:50,760
on the air, Steve, can
you Herris? This happened last week and

1034
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:57,680
I think it's gonna have to put
you back on hold. Steve, And

1035
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,960
that was hoping this wouldn't happen again. So there's some type of issue over

1036
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:10,479
at the station. We have three
calls on hold over there right now.

1037
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:19,560
Let's see if we can get that
figured out and let me just try Steve

1038
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:24,520
one more time. Steve, you're
on the air, can you hear us?

1039
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,239
Okay, I can see that he's
talking. Steve. I'm sorry.

1040
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:34,920
I'm gonna have to put you back
on hold. All right, So we

1041
01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:39,359
have a setting problem. We're going
to wait for that, and we do

1042
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,119
have a we have a number of
people on hold right now. Hopefully the

1043
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:45,439
setting will be cleaned up and figured
out over there at the radio station.

1044
01:27:46,039 --> 01:27:54,439
But you might as well continue on
with your other sightings you had. I

1045
01:27:54,439 --> 01:28:00,640
wouldn't know where to begin. I've
had so many being Colorado many it was

1046
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,279
five in one day. Yeah.
Well, it's great when you have a

1047
01:28:04,319 --> 01:28:06,920
phone tree and you have people all
over the valley. They call you up

1048
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,720
and say, quick run outside,
look, you know, look to the

1049
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,960
south, get up on your roof, you know. So um, we're

1050
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:18,439
able to alert each other, and
we've been able to. I got some

1051
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:25,560
video that way. I had a
really cool sight in December eighth, ninety

1052
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:30,720
four when it was eight below out. It was at night, around ten

1053
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,000
o'clock and we had a group of
seven lights come in. Then a group

1054
01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:40,760
of six they both came in joined
started million around it couldn't have been more

1055
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,000
than two miles from us. Didn't
hear a thing. Thirteen objects. We

1056
01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:49,159
didn't hear a thing. Some of
them started blinking, others stayed steady.

1057
01:28:49,239 --> 01:28:53,880
Then they formed back up. One
group went one way, the other group

1058
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:59,640
went another way, and we didn't
hear a single sound. It was just

1059
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,800
at least still. And I got
footage on night vision with a night vision

1060
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:13,239
lens that was really I've been holding
onto that I haven't I haven't supplied it

1061
01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:16,600
to any TV shows or anything.
I have another really interesting triangle siding that

1062
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,800
we got footage of two that flew
about a half a mile away from us

1063
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:27,720
in a complete circle in an art
kind of around us. That was a

1064
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,319
good one. Again I mentioned the
little Scout ship. It flew about fifty

1065
01:29:31,359 --> 01:29:34,359
feet off the road and about one
hundred and fifty feet in front of us,

1066
01:29:34,359 --> 01:29:41,640
and then zipped out over the Weafino
Valley and it looked like somebody you

1067
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,319
know, when you reel in a
lure really fast in the water and it

1068
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,079
kind of skips. That's what it
looked like it was doing in the atmosphere,

1069
01:29:48,199 --> 01:29:53,239
like it was skipping in the atmosphere. That was pretty interesting. I

1070
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:59,239
actually was able to get binoculars on
it as it as it faded away into

1071
01:29:59,279 --> 01:30:02,199
the distance. It was pretty small. It was only about twelve feet maybe

1072
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:11,399
fifteen feet. And I've seen big
rectangles, We've had them block out the

1073
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,880
sky. I've seen every type of
orb We had one of those little red

1074
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:20,600
ones that flew right next to our
car outside of Fort Garland. My band

1075
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,720
was with me and three of the
guys that never had a side and two

1076
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:29,239
of them had well me and the
other one had and and so they were

1077
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:32,640
all excited because they finally got to
see something. And it was I could

1078
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,920
have hit it with a rock.
I mean it was really close to us.

1079
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:41,640
We've had, oh my god,
whole groups of lights over Blanca Peak.

1080
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:47,159
Had two big house sized fireballs right
at tree top level, go one

1081
01:30:47,239 --> 01:30:51,239
after the other all the way down
the entire length of the valley. I

1082
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:55,239
was up about a thousand feet off
the valley floor, so we had a

1083
01:30:55,279 --> 01:31:00,079
really good good view of those.
I had this one thing that went over

1084
01:31:00,199 --> 01:31:04,439
that was probably some sort of military
thing, and it looked like the Millennium

1085
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:12,319
falcon. UH had a big super
loud and it had a um. The

1086
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:15,680
whole back end seemed to be lit
up, a blue flame coming out of

1087
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:23,039
it. Um, but it was
kind of flat and extremely loud. Uh

1088
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:31,000
Jesus looked like the with no wing
wings. The whole bunch of people saw

1089
01:31:31,119 --> 01:31:36,720
that. Um. I don't know, man, it's just that's really amazing.

1090
01:31:39,279 --> 01:31:42,520
I'm going to try a different caller, see uh see, uh if

1091
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,720
that might work. Let's let's try. Let's try. Let's try John over

1092
01:31:47,039 --> 01:31:53,520
and Missouri. John, can you
hear us? I can see John talking.

1093
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,279
I can't hear John talking, all
right, So that's it. I'm

1094
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,479
terribly sorry. We have all these
people on hold. Doesn't look like it's

1095
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,720
going to happen again. Um so
um, but I'm not going to give

1096
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:11,159
up. I will. I will
do what I did last week that that

1097
01:32:11,279 --> 01:32:15,439
didn't go so well, either the
Skype or the Skype calls. So we're

1098
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,920
just I want to We've got another
person calling in, so we've got four

1099
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:24,319
people on all trying to call.
So I do apologize. We may try.

1100
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:29,680
We may try later if if they
can figure it out over the radio

1101
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:34,520
station. What's going on. It's
really too bad. I don't dare to

1102
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:41,319
try Skype. So we're gonna pull
the number off right now. And we'll

1103
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:48,720
just move on. Wow, I've
only had I've had one really interesting while

1104
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:56,640
I thought it was interesting sighting,
and I've had another sighting that it probably

1105
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,760
was a sighting, but I've always
discounted it, Um, and I don't

1106
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:03,880
I've just been afraid to say that
I've had more than one sighting. Maybe

1107
01:33:04,039 --> 01:33:08,960
that's part of it. But another
thing, it's you know, I thought

1108
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,439
for sure it was like the International
Space Station or something like that. It

1109
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:17,079
was, it was big, it
was well lit up in the real distant

1110
01:33:17,319 --> 01:33:23,159
night sky. But then it direction. Uh, let me think it would

1111
01:33:23,159 --> 01:33:28,119
be heading towards the east, sort
of east if I remember, probably the

1112
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:31,880
space station. It's pretty it's pretty
bright the space station, yeah, says

1113
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:38,960
Um. And then it Uh,
but it did a jag or that wasn't

1114
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:43,159
the space station or you know,
it could have been something atmospheric possibly,

1115
01:33:43,279 --> 01:33:46,720
but I don't really know. Uh, but I had I had a sighting

1116
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:56,000
that I almost had the I could
have seen the Phoenix Lights ship craft,

1117
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,239
but I was inside the motel.
Flew right over the motel. We were

1118
01:33:59,239 --> 01:34:02,039
watching Basketba Paul and we heard other
people outside. We couldn't hear what they

1119
01:34:02,039 --> 01:34:04,680
were saying. But they were.
We thought they were watching the game too,

1120
01:34:05,039 --> 01:34:09,800
Arizona State, I think was in
the final or this sweet sixteen or

1121
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,920
something. And then when we finally, you know, the noise really got

1122
01:34:14,079 --> 01:34:15,119
loud outside. So we went out
and they said, oh man, where

1123
01:34:15,159 --> 01:34:18,560
are you being? This huge thing
just flew over. I was like what

1124
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:24,800
because we saw on TV they interrupted
the game and there was that famous footage

1125
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,359
of the reporters standing there with the
lights behind them. We saw that live.

1126
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:31,439
I was down in Casa grand in
a motel. Wow. Hey,

1127
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,039
you know what I'm gonna You know
what I'm gonna do, Chris, And

1128
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:39,680
I'm sorry, this isn't really that
fair to the people that were trying to

1129
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,399
call in, and I apologize for
that. But I happened to have Ray's

1130
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,159
phone number right on Skype because he's
been on the show a number of times.

1131
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,720
So I'm gonna try to give Ray
Stanford a call here because I know

1132
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:56,479
he's looking, and we'll see if
that will work. If not, of

1133
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,520
course, we'll just say raised at
you. Ray. That's me. Ray.

1134
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,920
I don't know if you even know
the ship, but you're live on

1135
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,960
the air. How are you?
Oh? Okay? Hi? Now you

1136
01:35:08,039 --> 01:35:11,039
know I was sitting here thinking,
since you can't get anybody calling in,

1137
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:15,720
call me. Well, it worked. Your telepathy worked, because all of

1138
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,199
a sudden, I thought, hey, I think I have raised Stanford's number

1139
01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:21,560
in on my Skype because you've been
on the show, and there you worry

1140
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:26,359
popped right up when I looked,
well, I'm really glad that you did.

1141
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:31,119
And it's always a pleasure to talk
to Chris O'Brien, and hey,

1142
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:36,960
I thought I would. He mentioned
that I'm probably the only source of information

1143
01:35:38,039 --> 01:35:44,079
that makes him we're about accepting the
extraterrestrial hypothesis. But I you know,

1144
01:35:44,319 --> 01:35:46,359
I think that what we have to
do in this field, if I may

1145
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:51,000
say so, is that we need
to not put that as the first priority

1146
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:55,960
is to where do they come from
or even what are they here? We

1147
01:35:56,159 --> 01:36:01,760
need to get the hard data that
will communicate some good science to us and

1148
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:08,680
leave that perhaps till later. But
I'd need to add this one phenomenon.

1149
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:15,000
If I make this is the so
called mothership phenomenon, it shouldn't seem strange

1150
01:36:15,119 --> 01:36:17,960
or metaphysical or out of place,
because, after all, when we took

1151
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:24,520
our first from Earth's journey to an
extraterrestrial body, namely the Moon. We

1152
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,560
had a mothership that stayed in orbit
and sent the craft down to land on

1153
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:30,319
the Moon and then came back up, docked with it, and came home.

1154
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:35,279
So the mothership phenomenon should not be
surprising. But in the context of

1155
01:36:35,359 --> 01:36:42,520
the question of extraterrestrial source, it
does not prove to us that it comes

1156
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:46,520
from Planet X or anything like that. But what this suggests these huge objects

1157
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:51,920
releasing small objects of several different quite
a number of different categories, is that

1158
01:36:53,079 --> 01:36:57,600
they come from far away. Because
the large object releasing small objection of the

1159
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:03,520
atmosphere suggests conservation of end and it's
it makes a lot of sense. It

1160
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:09,640
tends us to interpret the extroversial hypothesis. But we don't know where they're coming

1161
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:13,760
from. They may need this big
energy source that they're coming from an extra

1162
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,199
dimential situation that we can't comprehend.
And when they get to the local place

1163
01:37:17,279 --> 01:37:21,720
on the Earth, release shuttles to
do some studies or whatever they're up to.

1164
01:37:23,279 --> 01:37:25,920
But I'm doing all the talking and
I shouldn't do that. Hey,

1165
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,960
Chris, anything you care to say
or ask me about or to discuss.

1166
01:37:31,239 --> 01:37:38,720
Yeah, and again, like I
mentioned earlier, that rational makes perfect sense

1167
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:43,560
to me, and that is the
only at least as far as you know,

1168
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,720
I'm aware, that is really the
best evidence, circumstantial evidence that we

1169
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,880
have that would suggest that we are
dealing with something on planet. Again,

1170
01:37:53,079 --> 01:37:57,279
we can't really you know, factor
anything in or out. And I absolutely

1171
01:37:57,319 --> 01:38:02,000
agree with you that we need to
exhaust all efforts to utilize this wonderful technology

1172
01:38:02,079 --> 01:38:06,920
that's now affordable, and instead of
spending two million dollars on Project Starlight,

1173
01:38:08,279 --> 01:38:14,640
we can spend five thousand dollars and
have a fairly good opportunity, if placed

1174
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:19,399
in a proper location, to get
that kind of hard data. And I'm

1175
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:26,840
really again, I really can't can't
emphasize enough how much of an inspiration you

1176
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,319
have been for me in more ways
than one, and I really do look

1177
01:38:31,399 --> 01:38:35,560
forward to finally getting some quality data
that you can sink your teeth into.

1178
01:38:38,359 --> 01:38:42,560
Well listen, you know you mentioned
among the by way. This is very

1179
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:46,319
exciting and very rewarding to me to
see the kind of effort you're doing to

1180
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:50,920
get instruments out there and good data. But I have a question. My

1181
01:38:51,079 --> 01:38:55,560
question I'd ask you in the phone
some time ago, but it has to

1182
01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:00,319
do with the magnetometer the magnetometer we
used as an extreme no freenacy magnetometer,

1183
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:06,359
and it came about because we had
evidence that there was an extremeal freenacy magnetism

1184
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:11,640
associated with these options. I won't
go into it now, but we very

1185
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:17,439
successfully use this during daylight filming of
objects and we have a direct correlation of

1186
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:24,319
the maneuvers with the changes in the
extremeal freingacy magnetic field. Now that's extremely

1187
01:39:24,359 --> 01:39:29,199
important is to record in a way
where you have a real time signal to

1188
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:34,520
correlate one thing with another, so
that you can correlate field effects with the

1189
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:38,920
maneuvers. It tells you that something
is happening. In this case, it

1190
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:43,399
strongly suggests because of what we soon
the film, it suggests that as a

1191
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:48,279
gross propulsive mechanism in the atmosphere we
are using, they're using electrified atmosphere of

1192
01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:51,960
plasma, in other words, maneuvering
with the magnetic field. This does not

1193
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:58,119
mean it's a py primary drive or
anything of that nature, and it doesn't

1194
01:39:58,119 --> 01:40:00,920
prove that their et is con dressed
with something coming from somewhere else, but

1195
01:40:01,319 --> 01:40:09,199
in a realistic sense, in the
atmosphere. And but do in your in

1196
01:40:09,319 --> 01:40:15,680
your magnetometer, do can you tell
me what type of bandwidth, what what

1197
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:20,520
frequency? This is? Monitoring on
the magnetic spectrum you know is incredibly broad.

1198
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:27,159
Do you know what what range this
is? It just direct magnetism and

1199
01:40:27,279 --> 01:40:30,640
not looking at frequencies or what do
you know? I'm going to go ahead

1200
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,520
and read your the spects on it. UM. I'm going to the website

1201
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:45,159
right now for the technical information.
Again. Well you'll just take a second.

1202
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:51,039
UM. I have asked Ron about
this and he's UM, I think

1203
01:40:51,079 --> 01:40:57,159
it's a full spectrum. It's not
focused only on the low frequency. I

1204
01:40:57,199 --> 01:41:04,520
think it is a full spectrum.
That's kind of problematical because you don't unless

1205
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:09,319
there's a way to tell what frequency
you're looking at, it's very difficult to

1206
01:41:09,319 --> 01:41:12,520
analyze it scientifically. I think though, that there probably is an answer that's

1207
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,000
more meaningful than that. Ron.
I wish I wish Ron would contact me

1208
01:41:16,079 --> 01:41:21,079
and talk about this because it really
needs to be ironed out, because when

1209
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:26,960
you go to present this to physical
scientists to try to gain physical theory,

1210
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,720
you need to know what it really
is being monitored. And to let me

1211
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:38,159
mention some background, I believe that
the government that the first reason that got

1212
01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:43,119
the government very concerned about UFOs and
secrecy. Was the effect of this extreme

1213
01:41:43,159 --> 01:41:48,279
low frequency which we have documented again
and again with our system upon submarine communication

1214
01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:53,720
which communicates in the extreme low frequency
range. And in fact, it was

1215
01:41:53,840 --> 01:42:00,359
a physicist that works for the Navy
that was one of the two major miners

1216
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:05,239
of our system. Now, an
acoustic is not an acoustic signal, No,

1217
01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:09,039
no, not at all. No. Nothing to do with acoustics has

1218
01:42:09,079 --> 01:42:15,039
to do with extreme low frequency magnetism. And this a friend of mine back

1219
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:20,439
in Austin that had been in the
US Navy working aboard a nuclear submarine for

1220
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:25,039
a long time period. You said
something that really got to him. One

1221
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:30,640
night happened. It was they were
deep under the Atlantic Ocean and all of

1222
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:34,119
a sudden, the skipper came in
on the nacom and said, book,

1223
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:42,720
I'm requesting that we surface as quickly
as is commensurate with safety. If we

1224
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,479
can do this as quickly as possible
safely, you said, I believe when

1225
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,319
we get to the surface, you
guys are going to be able to see

1226
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:54,039
a UFO at close range. Well
they did it. They succeeded, and

1227
01:42:54,159 --> 01:43:00,399
they got out on the deck and
here was a textbook disc UFO quite nearby.

1228
01:43:01,039 --> 01:43:04,720
Now, he didn't have the guests
to ask the skipper how they knew,

1229
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:11,239
but I would strongly suggest that he
was monitoring the extreme infrequency communications of

1230
01:43:11,319 --> 01:43:15,920
the submarine and saw a characteristic,
recognized disturbance. They'd had to deal with

1231
01:43:15,039 --> 01:43:19,079
this disturbance, apparently from back in
the parties. So you can see how

1232
01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:25,279
it become a secret that these submarines
that are so important to national defense are

1233
01:43:25,359 --> 01:43:29,800
having a disturbance of something of these
strange opjects that could give a good reason

1234
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,039
to classify the whole UFO thing right
away. And I think it was the

1235
01:43:33,159 --> 01:43:36,800
beginning of secrecy in relationship to that, not that they knew where it was

1236
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:41,439
coming from at that time or how
it was being generated, but simply that

1237
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:45,880
it was a problem to national security
because of its effect on submarine communication.

1238
01:43:45,159 --> 01:43:48,720
But as art Chris, if you
can find that out, I'd love to

1239
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:55,560
know, because that is very much
needed in the analysis of in relationship to

1240
01:43:55,600 --> 01:44:00,439
propulsion as to what frequencies we're dealing
with. And I think you'll find there's

1241
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:04,039
a simple answer to it that Ron
can give you. But please get back

1242
01:44:04,079 --> 01:44:10,279
to me on that. Yeah,
it's a it's a three d F magnetometer

1243
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:17,800
h and so it's there's three what
you're talking magnets manufacturer there right, three

1244
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:23,520
d F. Uh. No,
it's a type of magnet Uh, there's

1245
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:29,199
THREEFF and nine DF. Okay,
I've never heard of that. Of course,

1246
01:44:29,279 --> 01:44:33,239
the system we use is strictly any
I don't know what that covers.

1247
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:39,840
But there should be a statement of
of of the bandwidth from the standpoint of

1248
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,319
frequency you want to call it weight
length. Uh, should be a statement

1249
01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:45,640
there, and it should be I
would recommend once you learn it that you

1250
01:44:46,119 --> 01:44:50,199
publish it with the literature that's making
this available to people, so that they

1251
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:55,600
don't know what they're they're getting into. It's extremely important. By the way,

1252
01:44:55,640 --> 01:45:00,079
you mentioned correlations that replication in phenomena, Well, I'm recent. I

1253
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:04,760
could talk some of the people that
have strong scientific backgrounds to come here and

1254
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:10,520
see what I have. You who
understand why. But the replication. We

1255
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:15,000
have films from airliners that have gotten
in daylight multiple times and from the ground

1256
01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:20,279
that show the exact same types of
phenomenon, the same type of gigantic carriers,

1257
01:45:20,319 --> 01:45:26,600
two classes of carriers, and the
same types of tranger objects. And

1258
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:31,199
I can show them at least five
distinct types that we have filmed on multiple

1259
01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:38,640
occasions and that other people have actually
photographed too, including the so called motherships.

1260
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:42,520
So it's not that Ray Stamford is
here with his organization and claiming something

1261
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:46,920
that nobody else has gotten. We
have excellent pictures of these so called motherships

1262
01:45:47,159 --> 01:45:53,680
with smaller objects from other sources that
are highly incredible, and that, however

1263
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:58,560
you want to interpret, at least
suggests that they're conserving energy to get up

1264
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:02,680
here by in some way that requires
a lot of energy of the big object

1265
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:08,399
if you're going to carry shuttles down
to Earth and maybe else work to do

1266
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:13,359
studies. So anyway, that's that's
my take on it. But I really

1267
01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:15,880
am encouraged by your effort and I
wish you the best because if we can

1268
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:19,800
get these systems going around the world, it's going to create a whole new

1269
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:25,560
ball game in this field. Cre
I absolutely agree. And with the advent

1270
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:31,479
of the internet, the connectivity and
the sharing of information um is also uh

1271
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:35,560
you know, down down the road. Once we start to get some quality

1272
01:46:36,119 --> 01:46:41,840
information, it's very easy to get
to get other people to analyze the data

1273
01:46:42,199 --> 01:46:45,000
and get some peer review. Let
me mention one thing very fastical I know

1274
01:46:45,039 --> 01:46:47,720
we're good to hear the end of
the program, and that is this we

1275
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:51,439
have recorded in daylight, and it's
very important to get as much data as

1276
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:59,159
you can in daylight imagery. We
have recorded again and again multiple sets are

1277
01:46:59,399 --> 01:47:05,359
very very specific phenomena that these objects
generate, aircraft, meteors, natural phenomenon

1278
01:47:05,399 --> 01:47:11,479
in the atmosphere. Nothing else creates
these sets of phenomena, one of which

1279
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:17,119
is multiple images generated at high speed
around the object in broad daylight. There

1280
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:24,439
are other really truly wonderful, remarkable
phenomenon that we've documented, and the effects

1281
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:30,319
on backlighting the Faraday rings due to
rotation of the plane of polarization of the

1282
01:47:30,399 --> 01:47:35,039
backlighting as it passes the object toward
the camera. But as if we get

1283
01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:41,640
these kind of phenomena and document them
in other sources and can show this worldwide

1284
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:45,000
as a phenomenon, it takes it
out of the category of natural phenomena.

1285
01:47:45,279 --> 01:47:53,079
Even as when we actually filmed and
regarded the gravity light effects as well as

1286
01:47:53,159 --> 01:47:57,560
the light spectra and the images of
objects on the edge of white stands,

1287
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,560
when I got a tip that they
were being plagued by these things and by

1288
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:04,560
golly there was there was spect that
these things were emitting. That was one

1289
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:10,239
single wavelength of life, which explained
when people see these things often they say

1290
01:48:10,399 --> 01:48:13,039
it was so pure, I don't
understand. Well, in this case,

1291
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:15,840
it was pure. It was a
very long red wavelength of light. But

1292
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:20,039
the remarkable thing beyond it being pure, such as no conventional aircraft would produce

1293
01:48:20,079 --> 01:48:25,800
in his propulsion or in his lighting, was that there was line splitting.

1294
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:29,560
That single line was being split,
and to get that you have to have

1295
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,800
it generated in the presence of a
strong electrical field, are a strong magnetic

1296
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,520
field, and in this case,
based on the evidence we have, we

1297
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:42,279
believe that both were present because we
objects were clearly using magnetoplasma dynamic propulsion in

1298
01:48:42,319 --> 01:48:45,880
the atmosphere. If anybody doesn't believe
that, if you've got a scientific background,

1299
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,399
contact me and I'll give you the
evidence. But I'm really hoping that

1300
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:54,479
you guys can help people to get
this kind of data in broad daylight and

1301
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:59,399
also even at night might be best
for FIR spectrum in daylight less there awfully

1302
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:02,319
bribe, but you haven't mentioned spectra, but it'd be nice if you could

1303
01:49:02,319 --> 01:49:09,239
also incorporate yacific spectrum well. We're
out of time. I'm afraid I have

1304
01:49:09,359 --> 01:49:13,079
to say, but thanks. I'm
glad to talk to you. Ray as

1305
01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:15,560
always always fun to have you on
the show. Yeah, thanks, thanks

1306
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,479
Ray, all right, thanks for
telling for calling me. Thanks allot,

1307
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:21,359
all right, good night. So
we are out of time, but I

1308
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:27,600
will tell people you can go work
to UFO DAP dot com. That's UFO

1309
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,920
DAP dot com and check out what
Chris is doing. Chris, I want

1310
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:34,439
to thank you very much for being
on the show tonight. Sure, yeah,

1311
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:38,399
my pleasure. It's always fun,
always fun, always good to talk

1312
01:49:38,399 --> 01:49:41,840
to you. And you take care
all right for YouTube. All right,

1313
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:46,159
everyone, So that is it for
our show this evening. Next week we

1314
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:51,640
will be back with Seth Breedlove.
Um. He is a film producer.

1315
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:58,199
Um. I believe the movie coming
out is called on the Trail of UFOs

1316
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,039
and he will be biling. He'll
be on next week, so tune in

1317
01:50:01,159 --> 01:50:04,840
for that and remember everyone to keep
your eyes to the sky.