WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 Hello Good afternoon I' m Karen Ramirez. We are in another broadcast of 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:07.599 dir Radio and the design in your ears here in capo work that we are 3 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:13.439 here already closing the new season of the year of d Radio, because we 4 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:16.760 listen until autumn that already, relatively, not long. We' re already 5 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:21.600 in the middle of the year and well, we' re already getting ready 6 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:25.480 in these months that we' re not on vacation, basically we' re 7 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:29.359 getting ready for all the autumn events, because they' re so many and 8 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:29.359 they already know that we' re doing a lot of radio coverage here. 9 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:34.039 Meanwhile, I am very happy because I am with an architect who was with 10 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:38.920 us eight years ago. He was one of the first guys we interviewed here 11 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:44.240 on D Radio when we started airing and he' s plucio monine. How 12 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:48.960 are you Lucia Hello, what a miracle finally gazing at point hears, what 13 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:53.640 happens to you too, of course, oh, of course, is here 14 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:57.399 present and attentive very well. It' s good to have you here again 15 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.840 and after all these years, because it' s been eight years in it, 16 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:03.799 but I don' t mean, they went off flying back. What 17 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.719 did I tell you that I told you at my age eight, they were 18 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.519 anti- renous, almost almost almost and seeing she' s super young, 19 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.359 I told her what' s wrong with you. Oh no, I' 20 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.480 m an eighteen- year- old boy trapped in this hideous body. You 21 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:23.280 just voted for the first time on Sunday ha ha almost yes. Yeah, 22 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.680 yeah, yeah? Yeah, hey, we got a new hearing. We 23 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.319 ' ve grown a lot in eight years on die radio. They do not 24 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.799 listen to us in other countries, in Latin America, much also in Europe. 25 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:34.120 Why I don' t know, but the interest is infinite. Then 26 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:38.040 that' s it. We have a wonderful side. Then I' d 27 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.599 like them to meet you. I' d like to start by asking you 28 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:46.959 who Lucio is, son. I' m gonna try to answer that, 29 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:52.719 because I answered it. But here you go you go first, because when 30 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.239 I was very, very young and I talk to you about three years four, 31 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:00.920 my mom pushed very hard that I was a painter because she saw me 32 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:06.280 draw and lived. Well, I' m going to push him around this 33 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.960 one then, like he was a character my boss taught me a lot, 34 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.759 he wouldn' t tell me look at this is Willem de cunning and look 35 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:19.400 at this Santon and tapias and look at this is all the painters, especially 36 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:23.240 abstract expressionists. I don' t know why, but I started seeing a 37 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:28.360 series of things that I really liked. Not then did I start to get 38 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.599 into that little walk and get into painting lessons from a little girl. So, 39 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:38.400 you know how I see Miles Davis being asked today, you know the 40 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:43.800 trumpet player, whether they ask him what it feels like to be born with 41 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:49.039 a gift of blowing the trumpet like you play it and he said no, 42 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:51.319 because I wasn' t born with a gift like that, with a mom 43 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:54.840 who gives me a trumpet when I was three years old and since then I 44 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.080 ' ve stopped and studied more and more and played more and more. And 45 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.919 that' s why, well, hey, eventually it' s a good 46 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:07.639 thing. Not then, well, that' s where I started painting and 47 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.400 then I had a guy. This good one, not later, but I 48 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:14.840 already had a guy who at three, four or five. That' s 49 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:21.039 where that guy was lucky enough to have pushed me into discovering the interesting, 50 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.960 because that' s the way he taught me. Look, listen to this 51 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:31.479 little disk, look at this book, and since he was a madman, 52 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:35.919 he wasn' t such an amazing painter. Javier Monian in peace, rest 53 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:40.120 this one that I see today backwards, for I say how lucky that would 54 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:45.199 have been, because it was another that woke me up several things, not 55 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.280 this one. But in nineteen hundred and seventy- six, which I was 56 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:53.280 already seven years old, I went to a party that was a meal of 57 00:03:53.560 --> 00:04:00.520 my parents, which I accompanied them for accompanying them and entered a house in 58 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:02.680 the south attached to the house where Pedro Ramírez Vázquez is from, where you 59 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:08.879 are rusty. Penis same blocks of account. This is where Barragán' s 60 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:13.199 house is. There is the Casa Pedregal, from Casa Prita, which is 61 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.120 the preto López, who later changed the name to Casa de la barran A 62 00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:19.360 Casa Pedregal, Forgive me. This and the thing is, it' s 63 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:21.399 a house that Joseph of Iturbe made. I didn' t know. No, 64 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:26.199 I went into this house and I started seeing everything and I said Mom 65 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.160 what it is. This is not the home of the owners of those who 66 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.800 invited us to eat. This is his house, as well as that I 67 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:38.680 saw this building that had everything but house, not clear and hears, but 68 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.759 this is not, for it is a courtyard and it was this space with 69 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.519 four walls containing a courtyard that had a hole that you saw a garden back. 70 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.000 I mean, it was bad that I wondered so much that my boss 71 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:55.560 ever since said aha, aha and where this güey was. No. The 72 00:04:55.560 --> 00:05:00.519 thing is, time went by and I remember my dad giving me ten pesos 73 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:05.319 on Sunday and suddenly giving me fifty pesitos. Not me, and now you 74 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.480 ' ve brought him up to me. No. I didn' t raise 75 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.800 anything for you. It' s your ten Sunday pesos and forty more to 76 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.480 encourage your painting. I' m amazing, and I' m really crazy. 77 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.399 Then I was going to get my cambas and my poleos and my brushes. 78 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:21.480 The fact is that when time passed, already out there from fifth sixth 79 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:28.600 of high school in fifth high school, he exactly told me what you' 80 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.839 re going to do when you finish high school that follows for you I said, 81 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:33.680 because I put that still painter game that what? No, no, 82 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 83 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 84 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 85 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 86 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 87 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 88 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 89 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 90 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 91 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 92 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, 93 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 94 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 95 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 96 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 97 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 98 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 99 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 100 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 101 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 102 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.680 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 103 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no. No, no, no, no, no, 104 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 105 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 106 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 107 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 108 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 109 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 110 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 111 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 112 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 113 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 114 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:33.920 no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 115 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 116 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 117 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 118 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 119 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 120 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 121 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 122 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 123 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 124 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, 125 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 126 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 127 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 128 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 129 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 130 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 131 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 132 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 133 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 134 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:33.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 135 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:34.839 no, no, no, no, no. As a painter, 136 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.639 if you are going to starve to death, remember that and he told me 137 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.800 without telling me, but he told me that there is already a tamayo ok, 138 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.680 remember that I tolerate and there is already one forget it and I said 139 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.600 no. But I want to do my things and nothing is that you' 140 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:54.399 re going to starve to death. I need you to study in a school 141 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:59.759 that would be important for you to make social relationships. This one and that 142 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.639 I need. But if you can' t study painting, I can study, 143 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.480 why don' t you study something that you like and study architecture, 144 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:11.759 I said hey, but that' s, that' s building, no, 145 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.240 he said no. It' s also exactly design and I said as 146 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.639 if ah ok ok, kind of did it to him. This looks like 147 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:19.600 it doesn' t happen to me. It' s fifth gear you' 148 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:23.000 re gonna do right now for the summer, so nothing. Well, then, 149 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.879 why not. Instead of doing anything, I put you in an architecture 150 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.839 office, of the big ones, of the powerful ones, of them I 151 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:31.279 touch the door and what they can tell me is that no. So, 152 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:38.639 let' s go and knock and total knock on Javier Sordo' s door 153 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.959 and I was that summer serving coffees and edging plans. For those of you 154 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:48.279 who don' t know what it' s like to draw plans we worry 155 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.959 about this one no longer exists and I started doing things and I started to 156 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:51.319 see how an architect worked and I said this face to face. If I 157 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:56.040 like it, no, then I became friends there I told you listen, 158 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:00.759 because I am going to attend sixth high school, but finishing I am going 159 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:01.360 to stop the architecture and I want to work here in part time. If 160 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.959 you talk to us in a year, don' t worry about it then 161 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:11.000 because I spoke to them in a year and the day I started studying architecture, 162 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:16.279 I started to work in the office of Sordo madenormaneros this and with everything 163 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.560 and everything, like that all that part of Prepa still had some contact. 164 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:24.959 Suddenly they were talking to me He hears what to do for the weekend Nothing 165 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.639 here where we' re going. Don' t help us in the ocins 166 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:31.199 that we need to ribeter, but we need this to put h today or 167 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.040 put pure things out of the 80s that no longer exist. You think it 168 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:39.360 ' s no longer from or accurate. This is the case that, as 169 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:44.879 that happened, I started fortunately, I started in the field of practice and 170 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.399 that which I thank today in the soul for life and the universe, because, 171 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:55.120 because it is a trade like everything not and as with painting, like 172 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:58.600 music. This one, with all this that my uncle from Chavito taught me, 173 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:03.120 this to the Ki caught up with me to buy me a mariachi guitar 174 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.399 and that' s what I learned to play bass with my punk band from 175 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:13.839 Prepa. No, or we were doing covers like that of punk bands that 176 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:20.000 we liked about this Eirly Aries, not like Kennedy' s, Soccer Jurks 177 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.759 of Black Flgo, all of them. And the thing is, that' 178 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:26.800 s how I started to really like music. And we never stopped playing today, 179 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.879 for example, the book I just gave you was the day we presented 180 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:35.720 it, which was in December of the two thousand nineteen my band played there 181 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.240 that no yes, I remember. I did. I was the pro pasa 182 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.840 a book that was a great presentation and apart we presented it in the role 183 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.759 or, it was not want where you present a book, because in the 184 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.320 scroll, of course what ro mine. From then on that was very good 185 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.200 and as time has passed, I have not stopped doing so. And I 186 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.879 haven' t stopped practicing and I haven' t stopped it then, because 187 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.559 now I' ve done a house that my mom really liked lately. My 188 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.759 little boy told me what the price of this house is and I said ay, 189 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:15.320 because after thirty- seven years of practicing architecture, something got into that 190 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:18.480 health well. Not then, well, pretty much, it' s a 191 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.360 muddy piece of my story. Wow, well, it' s a great 192 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:28.440 story full of a lot of artistic things, which is basically your formation, 193 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.159 your formation, and your personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah? Yeah? 194 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:31.840 Yeah, you' re always like that, I mean, full of music, 195 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.480 full of paint, that' s who doesn' t know you, 196 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:41.120 that' s really under a rock, because it' s both unclear and 197 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.440 clear. Yes, we have to accept it, we have to accept it. 198 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.559 And yes, that' s how I know things. I mean, 199 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.200 you were in the role to start with, okay, but that' s 200 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.759 just here humbly that, but that' s good. The gallery owner who 201 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:56.440 sponsored the book, who was the guy who represented me at the time, 202 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.279 he knows that he owns the role, so look then that' s why 203 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.200 he said hey, why don' t we present your book, the Rol, 204 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.799 and I said okay vas I mean, he did come out before before 205 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:11.519 he breathed to say yes, ah it was amazing. It was the presentation 206 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.799 was divine. I remember in the two thousand nineteen, when we are very 207 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:22.399 normal still, because there you had me with Pepe moyau Listening to you and 208 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.480 the Baby marveled with you that we sent him a kiss and a hug. 209 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.639 So, defend, Pasper, yeah, I mean, we' re, 210 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.200 like, playing you there, your bass was amazing. Ah and besides, 211 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:39.679 it is, indeed, a kind of antler of unscrewed. This one has 212 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.120 a spectacular sound. Yes, the grace and then connect the band there, 213 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.120 because I know or I incredible, no, no, yes. It was 214 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.559 a great presentation of the best book presentations I' ve ever been to. 215 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:52.799 I have sincerely gone full sun, for there will be third, yes, 216 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.399 please, but we are in the Hornon Parth. So yeah, look how 217 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:03.600 interesting you liked to make pounds. So look, since I was a kid, 218 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.120 since I was a kid, and I mean since I started studying, 219 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:07.480 I' ve been saying why they' re famous. Those who are famous 220 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.039 make amazing, they make incredible architecture. Some if some don' t, 221 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.159 they' re all fucked up. It was something that follows, some don 222 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.320 ' t, all I like, but that' s not and others don 223 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:24.240 ' t. But why are so many so famous How good questions And then 224 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:30.720 he put analyzing two minutes, for I said clearly, since the one who 225 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:35.279 does not teach does not sell. No, then you start to think that 226 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.240 today, because he always wins the best, the best. Sure, always 227 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.960 then like with all that bookmaking stuff, which was the way to teach your 228 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.320 stuff and I say clear that magazines, of course all you want, which 229 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.360 was the way in the' 80s no longer right now. They' re 230 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.600 social networks and it' s something else. But it was to have that, 231 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.519 that way of being able to reach people, your client, your acquaintance, 232 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:07.279 I don' t know what you could do, because a little bit 233 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:09.360 a mess of your work to see what you' re doing. No. 234 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.200 Interestingly, we live in a world where not everyone makes a book. And 235 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:18.000 if you make a book, then you' re a weirdo of those who 236 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:20.759 are so important that you make a book no, then of course at that 237 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:22.159 time I said no. No. No. It can' t be like 238 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.720 that, I mean, I can' t have a talent that' s 239 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:28.320 so stingy that I can get to the publishing house, that' s for 240 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.720 them to make me a book. It' s not what I have to 241 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.679 do, because I make an editorial, I make a book, I don 242 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:41.200 ' t, I mean, what I did then in the lookout for editions 243 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:45.559 that ADCB and nothing was an editorial that made books for me and those were 244 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:50.240 the first five. I' d tell you, and then I nailed myself 245 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:52.360 with an archer and made one that was called ten lost contests, one won. 246 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:56.759 And then I made this, which is called this painting music and architecture, 247 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.399 which is more of a because it' s like my Complete Works, 248 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.600 short box at my fifty years, a little bit more on the carte of 249 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.600 more or less and in fact, your book of ten lost contests, one 250 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.000 won. I found it recently in the Basque in the cellas. Oh, 251 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:15.440 no, well, all right, uh, I found her. I said 252 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.720 there, look no, because then I like the Jalapso building better the truth 253 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.720 hears and it was amazing that you started with Javier Sordon Madalena, because it 254 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:31.279 gives you an institution and it still is But at what time Lucio said time 255 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:37.360 I go, because it is that I go into that oxygen and having fleas 256 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.200 in the panties because I had pulas in educations, for two reasons. Okay. 257 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:43.840 The first fundamental motive was hopelessly in love with my boyfriend in Turno ok, 258 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.720 who was my wife and I had three children with her East and thanks 259 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.720 to that, because what I needed was money. Not then, listen, 260 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:56.039 if you can study architecture, then give it extremely hard. So, for 261 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.840 me time in that soda office didn' t exist. It wasn' t 262 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.000 to be there and fulfill and do and do more, and do more? 263 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.120 And do more? And do more? I don' t forget that once 264 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:11.519 javi the prietus that was my boss within the optional deaf. One day he 265 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.159 told me," Hey, I' m so excited" How about you 266 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.399 throw in an idea of this ladder, which was a bonoglow that you had 267 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:20.440 on account that two rooms down and two rooms up and in the middle you 268 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.960 had to put a ladder. Why don' t you design a ladder, 269 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.440 see what, see what you' re doing not me, as well as 270 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.080 amazed why I' m going to have to design something this one then suddenly 271 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.879 you know I remember it was a Thursday at eight o' clock at night. 272 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.120 They were so little before eight o' clock. I went out at 273 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.840 eight o' clock, went from four or eight o' clock before eight 274 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.799 o' clock and suddenly I said so I sat down in my lifter, 275 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:52.519 put a paper and started to make an idea and then I made this rectangular 276 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.480 prism that had inside a cone, a cone like that. Then the cone 277 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.720 closed in a small hole fifty centimeters up there and it was a helical staircase 278 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.600 that was going to be small. No And besides, thank you that you 279 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:09.240 had the cone inside a rectangular prism, you had a space there dead where 280 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:11.600 if you made a window towards, towards a very deep window, then I 281 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.919 didn' t start doing that. I got home. I was ready the 282 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.360 drawing at you know on Thursday at eleven o' clock at night and I 283 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.000 said I' m worth a hat going to make a scale model one to 284 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.120 ten, a twenty. I don' t remember, but she was a 285 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.240 maquetona that to find you and I started doing it and at eight in the 286 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.159 morning I finished it and I said I' m not going to school anymore. 287 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.840 Today I' m going to teach Javier Preto and I came with him. 288 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.600 He was taught and he told me it can' t be to see 289 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:41.480 that it was weird. No. You' re coming live today, right, 290 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.879 yeah, no, no. No, that' s how he was 291 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.240 already wearing a foquito, putting the model down a spotlight like that, and 292 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.840 he looked inside and said no. No, Lucio, she' s so 293 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.039 brute, and that' s where she came in deaf. Don' t 294 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.080 hear what they' re doing, what it' s not today, because 295 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.399 it' s the model here shoaquí muñane for the bunker of the Cuernavaja house 296 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.879 we were doing. Of course, that' s why it' s not 297 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.559 enough money. How you make a model of a ladder, of a bongale 298 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:08.480 pinche the house of Cuernavaca hears why. No. No, no, no, 299 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.919 no, wait a minute, pcto. Lucio went to his house there 300 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:17.440 at night and that uju and that battery carton and that time, as they 301 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.080 paid between Lucio, muniame and Luso a gie dad until wey patacinada Pafle. 302 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:27.320 Then the truth. Then he deafened very attentively. Oh, look, he 303 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.879 ' s already got the model and he' s flipped the spotlight. He 304 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.000 told me no, master man, what a brute if you do this for 305 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.639 a stairway in a bunker that you weren' t for a hotel. And 306 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:44.000 I pointed it at Azucar and told him exactly, exactly, and then I 307 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:47.759 remember perfectly that he was in the Westin contests, the Westing of Bayart the 308 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:52.200 Capes and the Cancún contests. The one in Cancún won him, the one 309 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.440 in chaos, and the one in Bayartá won us. And that' s 310 00:16:55.519 --> 00:17:00.000 where he started an amazing career where in the fourth semester he was project manager. 311 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.079 This one I started winning Lana as project manager and I just said Sonoulie, 312 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.799 what is the school reading for these güeyes worth mother. I' m 313 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.720 in, I' m in the creative part you wanted. Yes, exactly. 314 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:15.480 So, when I finished the race that was already full time. This 315 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.000 one, you know, an accountant came in and he said, hey, 316 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:19.960 Lucio, you know what it is that you' re gonna have to go 317 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:25.440 down half the ground. Or not, because how can you win the same 318 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:29.240 thing as these old men who have been here for years? Son and I 319 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.759 said, well, look, if anyone' s going to tell me that 320 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:33.680 they' re going to be deaf and then you' re out. The 321 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:40.079 next day I just fought to see Hahaha and told him it' s not 322 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:41.160 possible, as you' re saying that Güey, I just got married. 323 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.720 How you think, how you can do it. Well it' s that 324 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:51.880 giving me a chance and that' s how they told me to see you 325 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:56.759 know to see me contact the owner no longer see project, because it' 326 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.759 s me and I, because that' s why he hears this good, 327 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.319 I have neither ideal. Let' s just leave it at that and if 328 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:04.680 they pulled my ears, we know what we' re doing. I' 329 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.519 m depressed, not like that, how could you possibly pay me with that 330 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:11.839 coin? I can' t believe that. Pepe and peat partner of deaf 331 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.000 for thirty years. Well, John' s deaf, not that he was 332 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:19.160 grandpa. Yes, yes, this Pepeturo is married to Malena Sordo. That 333 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:23.440 ' s why there' s the relationship. This one tells me listen, 334 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:27.160 you know he' s already fighting me with Javier and I' m going 335 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:33.680 to open my office and I want you to be my partner and I was 336 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.359 twenty- two, twenty- two and I said yes to everything. So 337 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.920 I gave up on Sordo and I said I' m here and I kind 338 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:45.319 of said, oh clear here my business The Beasnes Software Infir The funtur Rainey 339 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.160 isn' t going to do that. No more boys people foya and but 340 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.039 I' m with a good old man, so I saw it. I 341 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:52.640 wasn' t, because I was at my age. I' m fifty 342 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.039 - five. Now I' m twenty- two, and I know with 343 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:56.160 this old man, for I' m nothing more. I' m gonna 344 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.640 wait for the phone and I wasn' t with him for four years. 345 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.480 Interestingly, we did four hours of which he brought two and I brought two. 346 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.599 Okay, and at that point I wondered what the hell he wants, 347 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.519 I want a partner, so he looks better, so he looks better, 348 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:17.200 than what, according to who doesn' t. And then, today I 349 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.359 see myself in my practice that, because I' ve done a lot of 350 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:22.880 great things girls of all kinds and I say divide this wool into two or 351 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.039 three or four. I don' t know how the ones who have theirs 352 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:33.640 do it I don' t know how to be curious then, because I 353 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.599 was with Iturbe and one day I gave up on Turbe, but I' 354 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.559 ve had enough of being in without a big girl where I was project manager 355 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:44.200 and say nothing more or less banalando, being with an otubre who won the 356 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:45.319 same thing more or less good Lana Ok and then I said no, already, 357 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.960 what I want is money point. Then I left with my impeller friends, 358 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:53.359 who were Javier Barrios and Toño who had this developer who when I was 359 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.160 with Pay, I was about a month with Pay, who went per chaman 360 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.440 manhat Ok and I said Pay. The only thing she said to me was 361 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.960 that when I was your age, I got together with my fourths of money 362 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:08.119 and already by my developers and they started doing their little things and because I 363 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:14.880 was their little argument, and because they were very powerful developers and eMe here, 364 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.960 Amy very nice to go to turn and then I said, well, 365 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.160 I' m going to do that to the Mexican woman. No. So 366 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.279 I went with these guys. I started doing projects, but not at all 367 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.400 Fathers. I didn' t like it. He made a lot better money. 368 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.759 But I was in a nine- to- five office with paid car 369 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:36.880 and medical insurance. I was in a fucking tie, in a tall godinato, 370 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.680 but a bodinato to the film. Oh sorry here go mind this one 371 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.880 and I said no. No. No, no? No, no, 372 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 373 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 374 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 375 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 376 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 377 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 378 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 379 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 380 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 381 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:44.880 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 382 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, 383 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 384 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 385 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 386 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 387 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 388 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 389 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 390 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 391 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 392 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 393 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.839 no, no. No. For me the creative is going to be 394 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.720 very difficult for the creative to be employed, because the creative is the creative. 395 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:56.559 This one and I said I don' t know what I' m 396 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:59.480 gonna do. I' m going to ask a friend who I have that 397 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.079 I' m project manager at Banco Santander. I' m going to tell 398 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.519 him if they don' t have a few little branch offices out there and 399 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:12.240 if he' s quitting here orale I remember you earning fifteen thousand pesos a 400 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.480 month for telling you and I got to my staff and I told him listen 401 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.319 to his architect and I opened my office and approved it. I don' 402 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:22.599 t know what to fight as if not clear this one and notice that what 403 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.359 I want is this, because to start like this with Chamba and I would 404 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:27.599 love to make branches of Santander. He said," Look, if I 405 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.519 have several, how about I give you three to start" What I do 406 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:37.839 have to tell you is that we pay very badly seriously and how much they 407 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:41.799 pay twenty thousand pesos to pick up. I said I earned fifteen thousand pesos 408 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.240 a month and they stopped twenty thousand for taking them because I made them to 409 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.359 you and I said well, ok hey, it' s the least, 410 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.200 that' s the most you can pay me this, but one, not 411 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.759 twenty thousand. It' s the most I swear to them that you have 412 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:00.720 branches in three afternoons, the three executives, I' m on my own, 413 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.720 my computer, that' s amazing. I said I realized I had 414 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:08.799 time to go get a job. He has the time, of course, 415 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:12.799 of course and apart he could do the job and apart he could start at 416 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.160 five in the morning if I wanted to, yes, yes, and finish 417 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.000 at twelve at night. I wanted to. So that was amazing, and 418 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.599 that' s where my career started. I all by myself where my career 419 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:25.079 began, with three bank hikes in the dining room of my house, with 420 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:30.039 a machine and drink me with a program called Microstation See how dophisticated it is 421 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:36.039 not, because if you were sticado, I would still know how to use 422 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:37.480 this one, but I started with that and then started to grow the obscina. 423 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:41.319 And it was a little bit of telling you that a friend of mine, 424 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:44.480 my dad, is praising me, and he' s saying, hey, 425 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:45.079 since he opens this toxin. The other day I had dinner with your 426 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.720 dad and he told me you were walking and you were riding toxin. Today 427 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.680 you are interested in entering a contest to make the new headquarters of the Mexican 428 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:55.839 Football Federation. Sure, hey, I got two things to warn you about. 429 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:57.880 One is a contest we won' t pay, a fifth and two 430 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.880 you go against the big ones, you go against the big ones and who 431 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:03.960 the big ones are. No, therefore, the Teodoro Gonzalos de León, 432 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:10.240 Enrique en Norten, Javier Sordo, José Iturbe, Pancho Serrano, this one 433 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.559 knew who Seria, not true. He had three others, and I had 434 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:17.160 ten. I remember this one and I said and they told me then nothing 435 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.720 else. We want a sketch without a drawing so you can show us what 436 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:26.000 you would do so pray then you don' t know what I wanted. 437 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.680 I made an absolute trap, what did you do? We didn' t 438 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.599 know, me and Mauricio in my office, that' s all. Ok 439 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:42.119 and then we did a projecta za razo incredible flat printed sheets glued to Fombourg, 440 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:47.440 which was a rarity. This was a rarity, but another of the 441 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:52.079 romances just started there or this one. And I remember making a model because 442 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.839 I dropped the house of a lawyer friend who had wool and I made a 443 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:03.880 model that might cost me 150, 000 pesos today. So a fortune I 444 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.920 had a marital quarrel. Because of that fart because you imagine being invited to 445 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.200 a contest against sacred cows and you' re cracking. What' s good 446 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:15.960 in a car, no yes, well, it' s bad and you 447 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:19.799 ' re bad and I said, well and besides, I called ten friends 448 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:23.839 who studied with me that they all put on their suit and tie and they 449 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:26.920 came as well as my dry, they played a model that they took in 450 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:33.279 a relay truck. Look at the presentation. It arrives moñaine with ten prints 451 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:38.880 this and puts the model that the model came covered with an East fombord capelo. 452 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:44.480 He taught me that. Deaf. Once we introduced you to open Paredsis, 453 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:51.039 once we introduced you to the contest of telmex Aslim and was invited Sordo, 454 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:53.960 the Begers and Theodor Pepon we will take it away. Look at this 455 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:56.920 one and I remember Sordo was the first and came up with his model. 456 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.880 He put it on the table and I lincoln his cigar. So all chewed 457 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.799 up and said listen before I say hello, Javier, how are you? 458 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:08.160 Hey, Javier and the parking lot. Ah well, we think that the 459 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:12.759 parking lot we are going to lower half level and so we raise half level 460 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:17.279 the whole square of all the land so that it is a square with fountains 461 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.960 and trees and rolls and so that you do not see cars. Ah hey, 462 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:23.480 Javier, and you know why I did it at the Pedregal, the 463 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:29.920 Pedregal of San Angel. Not for that. But since it' s half 464 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:30.359 - level, there' s no quarrel, because then there isn' t. 465 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.680 No, no, no, you know it' s dynamite 14 thousand 466 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.839 square meters of earth, not by two meters down. You' re gonna 467 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.359 pay for that or not. The thing is, you don' t know 468 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.200 that Javier forgives me, but your proposal doesn' t help me. We 469 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.319 honored the twenty- five sheets I made, they didn' t open them. 470 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:52.039 No and we left the room and got into our car and by and 471 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.799 won Teodoro and then Teodoro when they started doing the building. Those who found 472 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.960 the tutancamono pyre down there and forgot it was over and did nothing to me. 473 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:06.640 But it closes well. The point is, that' s what I 474 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.640 came up with with my model covered so no one would think I' d 475 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:14.319 learn. Then I put all my prints. I taught them the whole thing. 476 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.440 This was Borja, the President, was Lebrija, the director and Hernández 477 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:23.400 was the treasurer. Those were the judges and suddenly they see my proposal. 478 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:30.920 They pick up my entourage, lift up this capelo and see the model. 479 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.759 Put a giant model, but he also this room, well he invents it 480 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.240 for that room that has like three and a half for more. This way, 481 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.200 and they see her, and she says to Lebrija, hear, for 482 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.759 I don' t know you, but Lucio won for me and they shined 483 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.000 on him, for me too. And Hernández said no, because for my 484 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.319 worst and obviously, you have to face that that happens to you every Monday, 485 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.000 because I know how much your congratulations. Or thank you very much, 486 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:03.960 many times thank you very much. In that the treasurer tells me listen I 487 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.359 can talk to you, yes, your presentation. I can' t believe 488 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:12.039 it. I want you to design me my corporate watch that I' m 489 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:17.359 a pressure counter and I want you to go with my son to close a 490 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:19.960 dial today to make me corporate, okay Yo. I imagined an accountant. 491 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:22.960 What are you going to do to him, no, I don' t 492 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.319 know, no, because that accountant owns autofine. Oh, no, yes, 493 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.519 there, yes, then, and that day I tied up Tophinc' 494 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.400 s corporate, which right now is fine, insurgent and particular and it was 495 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:40.119 a project fifteen to twenty- seven years of forty thousand square meters, all 496 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:44.799 for throwing the house out the window and the Mexican Fotbol Federation was cancelled. 497 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.160 I don' t know what frauds they dropped less what happened and never heard 498 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.240 from her again. Yeah, well. So, back to your initial question 499 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:59.640 of how I started, I started kicking ass, that is, there' 500 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.759 s no other way to say it. Like your summary this hey paid you 501 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:08.240 so risked everything, yes, but today I see it back, because the 502 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.759 one who does not risk does not win, because let aside you have to 503 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:17.079 believe it. You know, of course, it' s just knowing Northn 504 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.880 can run errands for you. Not very well, very well said because why. 505 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.559 Why not, because it is better than you just for reindeer na, 506 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.079 but why who said, imagine that all those cows thank you all if they 507 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:33.519 taught me what they all presented Legorreta was the legorre lego. I come up 508 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.480 with three books and he said look, because here is more what I do. 509 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.039 Then you know that, because this is going to look the same pink 510 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.160 and yellow. And so it is a little bit of that seeing this one 511 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.759 and came theodoro with a sketch that like this, with drawings to Manopla, 512 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.359 very artistic and very lecorvo, with his little faces and roll. And this 513 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.119 one and that' s how they all got in with their stuff. One 514 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.640 does, with little ideas and but arrived munine with a delivery, as if 515 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:03.200 he had been paid and as if he had a revolutionary architecture company of the 516 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:07.759 20th century and as if he had paid him the exact ten. Then it 517 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:14.359 ' s amazing because that way, by practicing now, you really beat him 518 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.799 by practicing tennis. Sure, by the way, you have to practice a 519 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.480 lot, I fear a lot. Yes, because the new generations of architects 520 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:27.079 think that it is very easy and very fast the process of growing. For 521 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.519 one it will be for others, for it takes a while, that is. 522 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.880 And the funny thing is that all these offices that I see that have 523 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:38.240 grown on Instagram, to tell you something clear, that they have beautiful things 524 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.480 and you see these images that you say wow. Not sure, this one, 525 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.079 but I see it as I' ve always seen my universes, not 526 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.599 when I was little that I saw guys looking at my universes. No, 527 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:52.279 I think Venezuela will win. No. No, no, no, no, 528 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 529 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 530 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 531 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 532 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 533 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 534 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 535 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 536 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 537 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.279 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 538 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no. No, no, no, no, no, 539 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 540 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 541 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 542 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 543 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 544 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 545 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 546 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 547 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 548 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 549 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.519 no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 550 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 551 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 552 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 553 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 554 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 555 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 556 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 557 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 558 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 559 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.640 no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You 560 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:52.920 ' re not gonna win Brazil, are you? No, no, no, 561 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 562 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 563 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 564 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 565 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 566 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 567 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 568 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 569 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 570 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:52.920 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 571 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no. No, no, no, no, 572 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 573 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 574 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 575 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 576 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 577 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 578 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 579 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 580 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 581 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.000 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 582 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.200 no, no. It' s not going to win, you know, 583 00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:02.359 and I' m going to win inside, like, always with my analytical 584 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.119 character, for having read everything I read thanks to my uncle for seeing everything 585 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:11.440 I saw I was saying how they can judge a woman by a bichemistry photo 586 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.720 well said and how about if she lends her mouth and doesn' t know 587 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.759 how to think or yes, or she smells a lot better mouth and piece 588 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.839 than you and she' s not so pretty, what you prefer not, 589 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.880 because yes, the second option, because I say, she doesn' t 590 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:26.880 hear today, she does fulfill everything, because it will be my universe. 591 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:33.680 But, but, curiously, curiously, today you see those images of amazing 592 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.319 things that because who knows if they pull not clear, yes, yes, 593 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.160 yes, that is, why, because they are images, they are not 594 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.839 works, not exactly. Anyway, this one looks at nothing else. Hey, 595 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:49.079 I have a question that gives me a stir. I mean, watching 596 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:56.200 everything, how you risked and kicking ass on big Mondays. How is your 597 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.960 design process today, How is it that, how is your rhythm, how 598 00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:03.000 you take it from when it comes to you and until you give it to 599 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.039 him temptfully, how you' re going unhappy notice that another amazing one is 600 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:12.200 that since I started in summer of eighty- seven with deaf gave me the 601 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:17.160 task of starting to buy architectural books. Okay, why,' cause she 602 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.920 ' s once today wiped out in class. It was once to teach in 603 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:27.359 my generation and then saying because if you do not travel read exactly I said 604 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.880 ah ok, then I started to buy my books from the archis that I 605 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.240 liked. And there were many more art books that I liked in Mexico that 606 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.160 today hear very rare, because of course there were bookstores, but before there 607 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.559 were more, listen to the Arrita College, that is in the bookshop shocking, 608 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:49.480 yes or no more this And the case is that I started, started 609 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.920 and I have not stopped. Thirty- seven years later, I haven' 610 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.359 t stopped buying books and they don' t fit anymore and they don' 611 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:00.359 t fit anywhere anymore. I have the double triple rows in my house and 612 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:07.000 in my office and today what gives me that I have a document where the 613 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:12.480 architect who presents his work to you, because he presents it to you as 614 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:14.759 he wants to present it to you. But there are photos, there are 615 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:20.000 plans, there are sketches, there are models, there are perspectives, there 616 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.519 are everything, and they teach you their design process. Reading that design process 617 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:28.119 is not the text. Text you can give one approach with another, with 618 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:32.119 another optics, but that is worth that optics at the end the net. 619 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:40.480 So the amazing part is like with all that stuff you do, you make 620 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.160 a synthesis of having a hard drive, full of information, of architecture. 621 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:51.599 So, today, back to the question of my design process, when they 622 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:57.799 tell me listen make some offices, because I have seen many offices. So 623 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:05.000 today I know I can do that I like it, that I don' 624 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:10.720 t like it above all and somehow there' s always one already I have 625 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:16.079 this how I' ll tell you a processor inside of me that when they 626 00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:22.960 tell me hears and if you do in this terrain that have a lot of 627 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.880 slope, an office tower explore Greece as well as artificial intelligence. I already 628 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:34.000 have things coming up, you know, I mean there' s always a 629 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.279 desire before, before the show and before everything. Not then, and that 630 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.079 desire, because it makes that when you have, as well as already a 631 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.440 way to say boom here, I will have, as well as this giant 632 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:50.240 courtyard or this way to climb to the tower or this, that is always 633 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.680 there are all those processes that make me, because it is already doing the 634 00:33:53.720 --> 00:34:00.359 architecture that I do. No later I had super teachers fortunately not close and 635 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:07.719 somehow the four of them. The four told me the same thing, in 636 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:13.360 other words, the one I saw I think ten times to talk about architecture. 637 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.039 So very closely that he invited me to his office to talk to him 638 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:22.159 was the legorreto and then rreta. That was one thing, no, and 639 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:23.360 all of a sudden he said hey, here' s Richard Rogers. I 640 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:30.800 don' t know if you know him for days come and so we gossiped 641 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.599 I was going until I put my little tie on. No, these were 642 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:44.719 serious people before look, but deaf and Viturbe like this and that later, 643 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:50.199 especially Iturbe and lately Andrés Casillas, not that with him I won the airport 644 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:55.320 of Guadalajara four years or five. The point is, the four of them 645 00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.960 told me with the same or different words. The most important thing about architecture, 646 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.079 the most important thing you will design. It' s what doesn' 647 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:10.119 t come on the needs list. Think of any building you' ve ever 648 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.840 seen your mother break. Tell me which one you want the one that you 649 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.440 like the one that breaks my mother, yes, yes, yes, tell 650 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.039 me one, the one that is the College of Mexico. You like Teodoro, 651 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:28.039 any Mexican school that has that building, of course, that has everything 652 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.880 they asked Teodoro, yes, of course, but what Teodoro did, that 653 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.280 made it a great building, because all that middle yard, with those perbolas, 654 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.000 with those, with those unevennesses, with that way of getting you into 655 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:44.119 all the places that the Mexican school has, that of course they didn' 656 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.280 t come on the program, they said I want 17, 000 classrooms and 657 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:52.440 I want three auditoriums and I want and that is the bathrooms and a cinema 658 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:59.039 and that I want then all that other that makes it a theodoro building, 659 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:04.360 because it is what makes it a fucking life, not what they didn' 660 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.679 t ask, what they didn' t ask him, because what they are 661 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:09.880 nicer you are going to do a classroom, yes, of course it can 662 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.440 be more beautiful, but it is a classroom, yes, yes, hear 663 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.880 that house, what you' re going to do as the main chamber, 664 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.079 I know, because it' s better than not. Yeah, yeah, 665 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.679 yeah, yeah, but it' s still a main bedroom that has a 666 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.960 bed, yeah, no, but everything else that' s going on, 667 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.559 what' s going to happen there, yeah, exactly what' s going 668 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:35.719 to be interesting then, so that if to Barragán, then the tour clearly 669 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.199 picks up that all that, but the tour, why? Why? When 670 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:42.440 you ask for a house barragán, first you enter a garden that you die, 671 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.639 and then you enter a patio that has a mirror of water, that 672 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.159 you have culture, that you turn, and then you enter another garden that 673 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.039 you walk in a roof of I don' t know how. And then 674 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.960 you open the door and there' s a lobby that has a very flirting 675 00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.400 staircase and then you walk into the living room. In the end, it 676 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.119 ' s true, it' s very true. They set up a room, 677 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.800 and the truth is, I' m stuck with it, and I 678 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.480 ' m in detail. So that' s process. There he is He 679 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.679 doesn' t believe me. See, look at the building you like the 680 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.880 most. OK, well, well, well, then, that' s 681 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.280 where you come from, that' s where you get parts of what they 682 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.880 don' t ask for there, always good parts, that' s pretty 683 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.159 interesting. Hey speaking of architects, what are your five favorites, Ahorita, 684 00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:34.599 dead and alive Mexicans, those you want uy oy, Mira, those who 685 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.199 have taught me the most for everything I have read about them. Corb well 686 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:51.159 kan yes, luican this Barragán ok On three, this one that most have 687 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:55.480 taught me lately, that did very little work, but every time I see 688 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.199 it and analyze it more I say I cannot believe it, it cannot be 689 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:07.239 possible. You send it to Rocha and Julian Lampens. Remember that question is 690 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:13.000 also as you hear, what your favorite food is, because I can tell 691 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.760 you that I like it. Right now, not right now, whether it 692 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:17.559 ' s hunger, for example, tomorrow I don' t know and in 693 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:19.679 a month I don' t know. If I' m still alive, 694 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:27.599 no, then you understand me You see, this metaphor is worth it Then 695 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:28.800 today I think it' s those, those five that are the ones that 696 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.159 are dying the most. Yes, for example, Corbo, Khan and Barragan. 697 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.480 I could tell you there are three that haven' t moved. That 698 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.320 ' s where Juan comes out and you know who jumped like that without wanting 699 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:42.480 to be the room that doesn' t move from the place. Oh, 700 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.639 yes, odently the other day I saw for whoever has the time to do 701 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:55.920 it. This is these talks on YouTube, this is the one from the 702 00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:04.079 March Foundation This is Luis Hernández Galeano' s talk from Coolhas And after you 703 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.280 see that rem ves that I think is in prime. It' s on 704 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.079 prime, then it' s rhyme not to see first, see the other 705 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:12.280 first I saw that two. First, first I need him to be your 706 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:17.039 hero and then you can watch a movie where he comes out as a hero 707 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.280 or because this one and not well, these are a güey. As I 708 00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:27.679 would say to you that like all those classics that suddenly there was a revolutionary 709 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.800 who reinvented the production, which was that of Corbo I think it was the 710 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:36.760 cool one, that was the revolutionary, yes, the one who reinvented it 711 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.239 again. Yeah, well, let' s see what' s going on, 712 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.920 that' s great. That hears what Lucio Muñan Ahorita is doing in 713 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:53.199 his office, because right now he is trying to collect. I' m 714 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.639 fine, I am, but we are but nothing. We are right now 715 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:02.039 with one in a society with many archis that is getting very interesting in the 716 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:07.440 capes, which is a hotel project with housing, with an important restaurant. 717 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.119 This one' s really lame. I won a winemaker with Alejandro de Acosta 718 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.440 almost a year ago he' s been walking. Yes, Silvi is a 719 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:21.239 winemaker in Dolores, Hidalgo, that we are happy to make them a project 720 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:27.159 that I didn' t know could come to that we are what else are 721 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.880 we doing? I am doing with Miguel de la Torre in film studios, 722 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:37.960 what a father, who is very funny, I am with a house finishing 723 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.599 it, two houses, finishing them in work, that I am very happy. 724 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.960 What else we have There we are doing hotel for habitat in the center, 725 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:54.960 that we are already delivering the final executive project, this other little thing. 726 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:00.719 Now out there, what else am I doing. You say you already 727 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.719 know about old man. I already have permission to open my list where it 728 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.559 says the things you' re doing right now. So, for example, 729 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.800 there' s tea, too. I' m making a hell of a 730 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.280 hotel in the window, out there in peace. Yes, a fifty- 731 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:22.639 room hotel, which is spectacular. It' s all concrete, it' 732 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.679 s all congress. Yeah, they didn' t say everything we want zero 733 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.159 maintenance, I concrete, total gray. This one. So, that' 734 00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:37.679 s good. This one we' re making a house near Sergio, Monterrey, 735 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:42.679 towards Saltillo. That' s where we' re making a house right 736 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.559 now in project. Some depas here in Rome that are behind an old house, 737 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:53.679 are on six- year permits. But that is finally being done as 738 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:58.920 it is now. It' s illegal and then we' re gonna be 739 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:00.400 able to start the hour and I' m making a master plan in beautiful 740 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.840 ones. Honor hears what a father, because you have a job. I 741 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.960 ' m not gonna tell you one thing. Since before I started studying architecture, 742 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:14.639 I can tell you that I have had work of not being able to 743 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.559 sleep daily well easy. The only one, the only fight I' ve 744 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.800 ever had is money. That' s the fight that' s not constant. 745 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.760 They don' t pay you, they stop paying this blablabla. And 746 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.639 that was a mess. I mean, in this profession. You can go 747 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:35.920 fart one day to New York and another day you can not pay for parking. 748 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.239 Exactly one day you can be against Bennett. Oh, yes, yes, 749 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.480 because you met one day because you humbly, homilously and another day I 750 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.239 don' t have to prepare the parking lot. And believe me, it 751 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.679 ' s the people who see that they don' t hear what you did 752 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.360 at the airport. Tell me about Guadalajara Uta and tell me this one and 753 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.119 it already makes you live in New York? No, no, no, 754 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 755 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 756 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 757 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 758 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 759 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 760 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 761 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 762 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 763 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.119 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 764 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, 765 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 766 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 767 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 768 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 769 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 770 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 771 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 772 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 773 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 774 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.280 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 775 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:54.440 no. No, no, no, no, no, no, 776 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 777 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 778 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 779 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 780 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 781 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 782 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 783 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 784 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 785 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 786 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:54.559 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 787 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 788 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 789 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 790 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 791 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 792 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 793 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 794 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 795 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.559 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 796 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, 797 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 798 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 799 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 800 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 801 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 802 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 803 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 804 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 805 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 806 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 807 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no. No, no, no, 808 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 809 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 810 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 811 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 812 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 813 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 814 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 815 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 816 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 817 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.800 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 818 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, 819 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 820 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 821 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 822 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 823 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 824 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 825 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 826 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 827 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 828 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:54.960 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 829 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.719 no. No, it' s more loan me because I don' 830 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.880 t have to take it today. But it' s not happening to me, 831 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:04.559 it happens to me then nothing happens to me. Over there, there 832 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.000 ' s Luce today very well, very well. I' m very happy 833 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.039 for you friend, no, thank you very much. Listen I know that 834 00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:14.199 you have made architecture of all the scales made and to see, but what 835 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.320 would be the juya project of the crown for Lucia, that you say this 836 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:23.719 would be the winning project for me, that it would be a goal to 837 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.199 notice that when I read much the ecorbo, I remember that I read several 838 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.679 times. So his fist and handwriting or his mouth wasn' t always the 839 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.599 most interesting project I' m doing right now. It' s what I 840 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:40.400 ' m doing right now, hey, but you' ve already remodeled the 841 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.880 socket, because my mom' s very proud, not very good. After 842 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:49.480 tolzar it was. I' m fine, you feel me, yes, 843 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.000 but that' s worth the hat. I don' t know. In 844 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.320 the end, he hears the airport, well, it' s big, 845 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.400 it' s good, it' s all there. Listen, the concrete 846 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.559 house you just finished a year ago, of course, fascinates me. But, 847 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.800 right now, I' m finishing one in Mazatlan, for example, 848 00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.800 that well, finishing one doesn' t go I think half Ok. But 849 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:09.679 now, Ahorita, I am very excited about that one, because it began 850 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.519 to see me sprout and began to see the other experiments I did with light 851 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:17.119 and with scale and with depths. So in more atlane and more Atlanta, 852 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.559 then it' s amazing. Not that one, but all of a sudden, 853 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:27.079 yesterday we started designing Miguel and I, Miguel de la Torre, I 854 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.800 in film studios, told him or this is the best thing I' ve 855 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.519 ever done. And that' s the way they don' t get to 856 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.800 you. He' s walking down there. Hey, he' s such 857 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.320 a great dad. Hey, I' m lucky. And what I am 858 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.440 is that I' m tired already. That is true, sung, because 859 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.880 it has been a break from a mother of thirty- seven years. No 860 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.960 doubt something then I do go there I mean, I give the permission to 861 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:58.480 say that I am tired, but I do not stop there is no day 862 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.519 when I do not look for work, there is no say that it does 863 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:01.119 not ask in the designs that I am doing to make them look better. 864 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.400 There is no day well, very well motivated, very motivating. That' 865 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.880 s amazing. I love that you come here every eight years to live here 866 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.800 now every eight years. I love that beams stay and radio. I hope 867 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:20.320 that within eight years we will continue to talk the same. But I don 868 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.800 ' t mean now, yes, the year that comes in you come through 869 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.800 and if you don' t see us in two thousand thirty- two, 870 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:28.800 there already for your agenda. The gene of one thousand thirty- two is 871 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.159 not right now. Please, I love it, I love talking to you, 872 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.840 because it' s a lot of learning and also a lot of motivation. 873 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.079 Not much, really. I am very grateful for your time and for 874 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:42.760 you to be here with us again eight years I had to spend, but 875 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:47.960 here you are, here I am, you are not, I come here 876 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.719 you are the important thing and I would like to conclude this great talk of 877 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.679 this occasion. What would you say to the new generations of architects who are 878 00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:01.280 starting to start their own office. Well, I would have liked someone to 879 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.119 tell me that I was always afraid to put my changarro in my office, 880 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:13.000 because I was sure that I had to learn to do it first. That 881 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.880 ' s not when I was, because I was eighty- seven, bad 882 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:22.559 than bad, from eighty- seven to ninety- seven, ten years working 883 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:27.239 for others or with others, because I said, because that' s going 884 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:29.760 to be ten years of total learning. And yes, of course you learn, 885 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.760 but you never learn as much as you do, that is, it 886 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.800 ' s a trade that' s like what I always say I didn' 887 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.639 t get tired of saying, because it' s like the box. How 888 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:44.440 to make the world' s most fucking boxer, because madrasos in the street, 889 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:50.000 not at Harvard School of Boxing you also know there can teach you how 890 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.400 to put on gloves, to buy you some bollocks, to exercise, some 891 00:46:53.480 --> 00:47:01.880 pretty weights, all that. But really how you learn that big shot and 892 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:07.280 it' s worth the metaphor for those new generations who start doing that kind 893 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:12.920 of design to do it, to build it. There are many types of 894 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.559 architecture and of course there was a generation, especially in the eighty- seventies 895 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.119 eighty- nineties, because I don' t know if there was Michael Sorking, 896 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.400 there wasn' t Leavius Woods, or there were all those who made 897 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:27.840 drawings crying of the emotion that was like that kind of architecture. No, 898 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:30.679 and then I' m gonna give people who did a lot of project, 899 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:35.760 who never built? No, and then there were people who built a lot 900 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.800 and for my taste this to me. For me it is tectonic, not 901 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:45.360 tectonic, that shines and is worth. I don' t know. If 902 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:51.920 it has to do with the word architecture truth, then the building it, 903 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.199 because when you go, when you see a project, then of course it 904 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:59.119 can be the project in my portfolio and suddenly you see it built And of 905 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:00.840 course it looks different And of course it looks different the rendering and clear that 906 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.960 it looks different to the façade in real dimension. And of course you see 907 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.800 the photo of the place and you say" sonjole", because it was 908 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:14.159 good for him that bad, it was bad for him, but it was 909 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.760 left to him, because in the end it is one thing that what we 910 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.559 do is that, is to build. It' s funny, since I 911 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.360 was a kid, I also see the archis who do a lot of things 912 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.920 and say children. Those artists from where they came that wonder, not güey 913 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.079 that is, but he' s a doctor who operates brains. No, 914 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.480 it' s not like he' s a brain- operated bastard, because 915 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.400 I know. Imagine me waiting for a brain, because one doesn' t 916 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:43.000 live. Not this then is a production that is that in the end it 917 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:49.519 is to practice it and practice them to do it. Then what would I 918 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.079 recommend, because try to do everything that can be given that it is a 919 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:58.440 butyxcita and a little time or a little little thing, it doesn' t 920 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.840 matter, but start there not where you start to read what it is and 921 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.800 how it is done and what it serves and how the sun is and how 922 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.480 the wind is and how the water is and how it is all. No, 923 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.719 and once you start doing a lot of it, it' s already 924 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:14.760 things that slip out of you that somehow suit you. The more you do, 925 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:19.079 the more you know today my fours, the lawyers, or the doctors 926 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.679 or the ones and how you will withdraw my answer. That question is always 927 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.039 what the fuck your job is all about, where you work. Of course 928 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.760 I want to take you out. Güey I, the older I' m 929 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:36.679 more e and the older I' m more work I' m going to 930 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.199 have it, I know because that' s how it happened to me and 931 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:42.440 you know when it' s going to come out of working in my ocina 932 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:45.480 with the legs ahead. That' s how it' s going to be, 933 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:52.559 yeah, I believe him then, in the end I' m lucky 934 00:49:53.840 --> 00:50:00.920 enough to do or be in a profession where it' s hilarious and you 935 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:02.519 remember how to say tyr Woods, you said, imagine that bastard. Nothing 936 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.320 is played golf and earns millions of dollars and travels around the world and this 937 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:12.960 mine is worth pinging every mother. Not good, yes, but that quati 938 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:19.079 also broke. The mother you and at the end of the day joy, 939 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.760 because it comes from that not knowing that what you are doing is your favorite 940 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.400 sport. It' s your favorite sport. Get one thing on a treadmill 941 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.039 and I have to work out. He' s gonna shit you in two 942 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:36.079 minutes, in two minutes. Yes, on the other hand, if you 943 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.599 have a sport that you like very much with desire, of course even weight 944 00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:44.519 loss, of course because you do it daily and it doesn' t cost 945 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.159 you, then the trip. Fortunately, I fell in love with what I 946 00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:52.199 ' ve been doing since I was super young, because I saw that not 947 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.519 like my guys working at the bank and I don' t know where I 948 00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:58.519 was seeing it. For me Sundays were no longer depressing Sundays, no longer 949 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.679 or no longer. It' s Monday, it can' t be that 950 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:07.320 you' re running away. I didn' t say blessed to God tomorrow 951 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:08.360 is Monday. I' m not gonna be able to follow him anymore. 952 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:15.639 Right now, everyone resting, not this part then. I feel very lucky 953 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:17.360 to have. It' s a good thing the new generations have it. 954 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:23.119 But if you have it, be a fool, a need to get angry 955 00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:30.239 loses fool. That' s my last word I recommend to a young man 956 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:37.119 being a foolish person. All right, Lucia, how nice of you to 957 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.280 be here with us. But now it' s time for two thousand thirty 958 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:45.039 - two. Well your new interview that with these two and really thank you 959 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:50.480 so much for your time and you get real pleasure. I hope to see 960 00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.280 you here very soon, not I too may have seen you here very soon, 961 00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.880 see you and be with us. You' ve been following me, 962 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.719 please, but thank you very much, thanks to the audience. And we 963 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.800 ' re on the final stretch of this radio season, because we' re 964 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.920 listening until autumn. But behind me there' s no cdy radio. He 965 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:13.760 ' s leaving behind me Emiliano Bautista, who is the new radio announcer and 966 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.920 he' s about to get to Mexican lands, so he' s already 967 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:21.079 going to delight us with his voice and his knowledge of film architecture and more 968 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.840 because his show is going to be really fun, so don' t miss 969 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.639 it and remember that you can listen to us on all music streams. We 970 00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:32.199 ' re in Spotify, you love, your podcast, Ihard' s Google 971 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.159 Podcast, everything that ends the podcast. There we are, so there' 972 00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:39.360 s no one, but what' s worth to be told we don' 973 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:40.320 t find you there it' s out then. Thank you very much, 974 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.639 Lucio, thank you very much. Here' s the time. Nothing to 975 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:47.599 thank. On the contrary, thank you very much. It' s really 976 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.760 an honor to have a rockstar here to roxar. That' s what they 977 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:54.679 told my mom one day. Hey, hey, Sara, what it feels 978 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.239 like to have a rockster as a kid and said don' t look. 979 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.800 The Ton John is a red. I know all his songs and I don 980 00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.400 ' t like him so much. But my son is like a doctor. 981 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:07.440 So yeah, either way, he' s a doctor who does well, 982 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:13.280 but you know a lot of doctors, you don' t know a lot 983 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.119 of architects. You do, but my mom doesn' t. Then don 984 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.159 ' t get confused. I' m not a rockstar, I' m 985 00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.920 an archy who does a lot of things. Ay ay ay aha say you. 986 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:25.559 Thank you very much from audience and thank you here I work or. 987 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.519 I invite you to come and see your Showron who is here on St Louis 988 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.920 Potosí Street one hundred and thirteen to turn around because there are high- design 989 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.920 furniture here. You' ve got a little twist, and then, well, 990 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:37.599 I' ll say good- bye Take good care. Bye Bye,