WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bulbo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:20.039 so like say subscribe and raid it. I'm stuck and wish today and 3 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:28.359 listening, oh watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff 4 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.719 Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Good afternoon, Bobo. How you doing today? 5 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.159 Excellent? How are you? Cliff? Not bad at all? Not 6 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:39.520 bad at all. I'm at the museum today. Of course I work every 7 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.600 Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Mini the other days as well, but here 8 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:45.759 today just kind of touching up the museum, doing some touch up painting jobs. 9 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:50.240 We're filling some new display cases with some cool stuff. We have some 10 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:54.280 new original casts on display, you know, from Ape Canyon. Oddly enough, 11 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:58.159 what yours it was like this year twenty twenty three, I believe. 12 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:00.520 Okay, now I'm going be last year, but I'm pretty sure it was 13 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.799 this year. I think it was in July, if I remember right. 14 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.359 Some local researchers found some stuff about a mile and a half above the Ape 15 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.920 Canyon trailhead, so the general area, which is great. We put that 16 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:17.280 on display early, even though we're planning on making a rather grandiose Ape Canyon 17 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:19.719 display for the entirety of twenty twenty four, because that is the one hundredth 18 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:25.159 year anniversary of the events. Yeah, beyond that, you know, I 19 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:27.799 guess the big news of this week is that yesterday Keith, who's a contractor 20 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:33.959 here at the NBC and general handyman and all around good guy, he came 21 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:38.079 into my house where I lived because we're I'm going to start rewiring the outbuilding 22 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.359 where your trailer lives, you know, yeah, And so we're going to 23 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:47.000 start rewiring it because a lot of the plugs are dead and it just it's 24 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.040 just time. I need to redo the lights and all that stuff. So 25 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:51.799 Keith came over, and I don't know anything about electricity, right. That 26 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.000 kind of scares me. You know, you may find you may find that 27 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:59.920 shocking, thank you very much. But so he was over, and he 28 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:01.359 came over around noon or something. As he was pointing at this and it 29 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:05.120 says, you need this, and I'll give you a list of things to 30 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:07.159 buy, and I'll come over and I'll show you how to do this and 31 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:12.319 that and stuff. And we're done around twelve thirty. And I'm assuming it's 32 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:14.960 raining pretty hard down there, because I know it's been raining like crazy up 33 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:16.560 here. So I kind of said, well, you want to go to 34 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:20.479 the woods. It's not raining real hard right now, and he goes, 35 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.360 yeah, sure, I got nothing. So he went to the woods yesterday 36 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.240 and walked because you know, it's been like I think right now as I'm 37 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.840 saying this, it's like fifty eight degrees. That's exactly what it is here. 38 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.280 Yeah, it's so warm, and yesterday was no exception. It's that 39 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:38.719 Pineapple Express that you know, that warm southern rain coming up. So it's 40 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:43.520 been in the mid to upper fifties all week. I think yesterday was in 41 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.719 Portland at least a topped oat at sixty or sixty two or some ridiculous number 42 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.360 like that. It was insane. Right, So there's no snow and it's 43 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.039 December, so I wanted to take advantage of getting up to one of my 44 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:58.560 higher elevation spots. So Keith and I went out there and walked this one 45 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:04.039 particular area that we've been lucky before, and sure enough we found prints again. 46 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:08.680 Yesterday I came back with came back with five casts in my car yesterday, 47 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:13.319 the same one, its the same smaller foot Yeah. Well, yeah, 48 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.319 this particular area has yielded two different sizes of animals before, a twelve 49 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:20.439 inch and a fourteen or fifteen inch, and we have prints from both of 50 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.680 them from yesterday. Oh, how were they in conjunction? Like, well, 51 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:28.439 we found the twelve inch one where we found the twelve inch one before, 52 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:32.520 and it was crossing the road and then running up the embankment that same 53 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.439 place. We looked like at the corner of the road bends right there, 54 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:38.000 not where the bend is, no, no, no, before that, 55 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:43.199 long before that, actually over by a spring, and then it went up 56 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:46.240 into the hill. So we got one print on the road that shows a 57 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.400 couple toes. It's not, you know, not going to impress anybody or 58 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:52.599 anything, but I love it. We found one print on the road which 59 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:55.439 we cast, and then we missed one. But then we found three others 60 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:00.560 going up the embankment. And this embankment is it doesn't stop. It's the 61 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:01.800 side of a hill. You know, it goes up like one hundred feet 62 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.560 or something like that. You know, I found three or four before I 63 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:10.000 lost it in the forest stuff. We tried to cast one of those. 64 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.599 I don't have real high hopes for it because it was mostly in plant matter, 65 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:15.399 but since I could see the toes in person, I wanted to give 66 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:19.639 it a try. And then we continued walking this area, and about one 67 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:24.560 hundred and fifty or two hundred yards down the road, Keith like, I 68 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.040 see something in the ground. I go, that looks like a heel impression, 69 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.360 What is this? And I'm like getting down and close and personal with 70 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:31.959 it? And I look back and Keith is, you know, like five 71 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.360 feet away from me looking at another thing in the ground, says, what 72 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:38.680 do you think this is? And I started looking. I look at his 73 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.040 I go, well, I don't know. That kind of looks like a 74 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.720 heel of it. What direction? Like? Is that a foot? Then 75 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:46.720 by see is that a toe on that side? He goes, I thought 76 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:48.399 it was going the other way, and we couldn't really decipher it, you 77 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:53.480 know, because that's something I learned from Tom Shade when I had an opportunity 78 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.680 to go tracking with him. He says, anything in the ground that looks 79 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.120 funky, anything in the ground that looks unusual, down on your hands and 80 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.560 knees and really look at that, you know, give it five or ten 81 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.160 minutes if that's what it takes. Give it a long time and see if 82 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.319 you can figure out what's going on. So Keith and I are like looking 83 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.480 at his thing, and I think, I don't know what direction is going 84 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:15.519 on? Is that a toe or is that a toe on the other side? 85 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.759 And I go, well, Keith, look at what I found over 86 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.680 here. And then I take them five feet away and I look, and 87 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:25.399 he goes, oh my god, because he hadn't made it down that far. 88 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:26.879 You. He goes, well, that's the heel, right, And 89 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.439 I said, yeah, that's a heel. And we start looking and sure 90 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.519 enough there's toes, which solved the mystery about which direction the other footprint was 91 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:36.160 traveling on my dad. So we found three tracks there, two of which 92 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:40.199 that we felt were castable. The other one was it was a mark on 93 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:45.199 the ground and just there's really nothing to pour plaster in. And then of 94 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.120 course we start looking around the area backtrack and go twenty thirty fifty feet in 95 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:55.879 each direction, and behind where these two or actually three tracks were, we 96 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:59.240 found some other marks in the ground, and Keith's going, what what kind 97 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.560 of animal makes that? That's a weird one. It's like these weird scrape 98 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:08.120 marks that were kind of like all going towards a central point and I'm looking 99 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.600 at I go, dude, that might be a hand, and he looks, 100 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.480 oh my god. There and then we start counting these scrap and you 101 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.439 imagine like a big old hand, you know, sticking out. And of 102 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.319 course it wasn't just one impression. I think it was a number of marks 103 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:24.000 from the same hand as it moved around. I don't know what it was 104 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.800 doing, but we counted five fingers, all kind of coming to a central 105 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.360 point, and we well, we cast all these things and it was a 106 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.720 sloppy looking print in the ground. I don't have real high hopes of the 107 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:39.199 cast looking much like a hand, but perhaps it'll yield some sort of information. 108 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:43.000 So that was just yesterday. So I kind of did a preliminary you 109 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:45.720 know, squirt down to the cast, not rubbing it or anything like that 110 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.319 because it's not set yet. So anyway, yeah, that was yesterday. 111 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.439 So pretty pretty epic day, man, pretty epic day going out to the 112 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:57.480 woods on a whim and coming back with five casts. That's awesome. Yeah, 113 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:02.439 yeah, everything's coming up, Cliff, Well yeah, yeah, Me 114 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.680 and Millhouse are kind of, you know, kindred spirits in a lot of 115 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.959 ways. So what's up with you? Man, anything good, anything unusual? 116 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:12.560 Yeah, I mean getting nothing. They're getting in the woods more so 117 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.959 that's good, excellent. Where have you been going? Just up in the 118 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:20.439 redwoods? Just different spots, nothing big, you know, just doing a 119 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.639 you know, a couple of mile high Well, I mean that's all, 120 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.759 that's all I'm doing, you know. Yeah, you go to a spot 121 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.079 where they are, man, and you'll probably find some stuff that's great. 122 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:30.759 But up there, it's like you really got it. For my experiences, 123 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.800 you really got to get off trail usually to have stuff fine stuff or here 124 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.399 stuff usually Oh yeah that has been mine. But I mean we're just sticking 125 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.680 on the road. So maybe we're just in a good spot or something. 126 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.959 Yeah, you're in a better spot because there's not people trapsing around where you're 127 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.519 aut like that, like like there's redwoods. No no, but you can 128 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.600 probably go behind those gates and walk around. Oh yeah, yeah you can. 129 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:54.959 And this is the time of year, man, because the tourist seasons 130 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.920 pretty much not in existence right now, even though there's people around. It's 131 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:01.480 a national park or the state park, and of course it doesn't really snow 132 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.399 necessarily on the coast there. So this sounds like a great time a year 133 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.120 to be out in the woods in the red Yeah. Yeah, it seemed 134 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:13.160 pretty nice. And then so speaking of good weather, we got a witness. 135 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:20.040 This is from down in San Diego. He actually my brother met him 136 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.720 in line or in the bathroom or something waiting in line with the bathroom at 137 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.600 the Dodgers game, Dodgers Padre game. He was a big Padre fan, 138 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:31.720 so he came up to LA and Dodger Stadium and they got to talking in 139 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:35.120 the line, and I guess he had a big foot hatter. My brother 140 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.360 had a big foot shirt or something, the big foot thing, and they 141 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:39.919 started talking and he's like, he's do you tell your brother to come down 142 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.679 and check out my place? I got squatches there and then I talked to 143 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.240 him for about ten minutes on the phone. And then I didn't get his 144 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:52.360 number, and my brother had it and he ended up losing it. But 145 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.320 I talked to him for about ten minutes, and he sent me a video 146 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.440 clip of him talking, you know, about a forty five second clip saying, 147 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.039 you know, this is where I'm at, and you know I'm done 148 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:03.559 by lake handshot and I could just talk about for tests. I'm like this 149 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.240 guy it's I think he's really got him. Like, I'm like, he 150 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:11.679 sounds legit. And then I uh, like a year and a half later, 151 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:15.480 I'm watching We're gonna have Eli Watson. I'm from small Town Monsters our 152 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.440 Guests like a month ago, and he was He's like, yeah, I 153 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:20.799 made a movie called Bigfoot the Border. I check it out. I'm like, 154 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.559 oh my god, that's that's Brian, the guy I talked to. 155 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.120 My brother talked to you, and so I got in touch with him, 156 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.240 and he's gonna come on and we're gonna talk about some Southern California squatching. 157 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.840 Nice. Yeah, Southern California. I mean, I think it's overlooked for 158 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.360 bigfoot habitat because it's some really crazy habitat down there, man. I mean, 159 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.240 the grizzlies loved it. There's lots of black bears around there. Still, 160 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.240 why wouldn't there be sasquatches around there? Yeah, I think and I've 161 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.840 always said, I think that might be the city going to the living peninsul 162 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.120 where it's just so watered everywhere in green shrubberries like Vietnam, just thick jungle 163 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.200 like I always thought, like, man, like New Mexico, Arizona southern 164 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:01.240 California, Like there's only so many water sources and there's only so much cover. 165 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.399 I mean there's a lot of there's a lot more cover than people think. 166 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.240 But the waters is the big key down there. And if you got 167 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:11.159 a spot where they're going through near water, I mean I think that's a 168 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.440 great spot to focus. Absolutely absolutely. So hey, Brian, welcome the 169 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.440 Bigfoot and Beyond with me and that guy. We really appreciate you coming on 170 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.120 and talking to us and filling this sen what's been going on. I had 171 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.440 no problem. I watched your I watched your segment again last time on the 172 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:31.320 on the documentary. Yeah, Bigfoot at the Border, Bigfoot the Border, 173 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.360 which of course, as Bobo mentioned, is by Eli Watson, part of 174 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.840 the Small Town Monsters crew. I think all that stuff is Is it for 175 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.360 free on YouTube? Brian? Yeah? It is, oh cool. So 176 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.919 I always like driving us some eyes onto my friend's YouTube pages. So Agaain, 177 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.279 I mentioned to you before the show before we pushed the record button that 178 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.639 I don't really know anything about you or anything like that, and you briefly 179 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:56.600 mentioned that you've been doing Bigfoot stuff for like what ten years or something? 180 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.159 Yeah, about ten years? If I gather thingsly from what Bobo said, 181 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.279 you've had activity on your property. Yeah, I grew up there when I 182 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.679 was a little kid, from about eight to twelve. My dad bought it 183 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:13.000 and it's an empty property up on top of a mountain range and we lived 184 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.279 there for four years or so, and we had all the animals and we 185 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.159 had a few weird things happened, but I never would think bigfoot at the 186 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.720 time. And then the property went left alone for fifteen years and then I 187 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:30.480 just randomly went up camping with my friends and it was my dad had the 188 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.679 house bulldoze, so it was just a flat land on top and we just 189 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:35.919 had a fire pit and we were just having fun up there, and then 190 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.799 stuff started to happen. So looking back, when so you lived on this 191 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.519 property as a as a young boy, sounds like and you said at the 192 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.879 time he didn't really put two and two together that sasquatches might be involved. 193 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.720 And I can totally understand that. What were the things now that you're older 194 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.960 and having had more experiences looking back, what were the things that could have 195 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.600 tipped you off sasquatches were involved? Well, we had lived in a trailer 196 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.320 at first before my dad built the house and we had movie night. There 197 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.759 was five of us in there in one little room. And one night something 198 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.360 walked up behind the trailer and tapped the wall right next to my dad's head. 199 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.240 So he got out and with the shotgun walked around. There was nothing 200 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.639 there. As soon as he gets back in, we start the movie again, 201 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.120 it comes back and knocks again. And then there was a couple of 202 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.639 times our dogs got so frightened they jumped in the truck and didn't want to 203 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.480 get out. We dealt with mountain lions and stuff up there, but that 204 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.679 never caused it. And the horses were freaking out a few times, and 205 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.360 just little stuff like that. Now you probably had bears in the area as 206 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.440 well. No, they released black bears out there a while back, but 207 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.879 they didn't last long. They just ended up in the city, so they 208 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.320 took them out. Just mountain lions and deer. Mountains had a lot of 209 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.559 deer, Yeah, a lot of deer. I get them coming through in 210 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.879 groups. Kats. Yeah. Now, when you said it tapped on the 211 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:54.440 outside of the trailer, is it like a tap tap tap or is a 212 00:12:54.480 --> 00:13:00.960 boo? It was more like a knuckle tapping. Okay, like multiple Yeah, 213 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.279 it wasn't banging, gotcha, gotcha, But clearly something some sort of 214 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:07.440 pattern that made you go, that's not something hitting the trailer, that's yeah 215 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.679 happened. Yeah, we just figured as a ghost or something. But I 216 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.120 love that that was your first go to. Yeah, it's about all we 217 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.960 could think of. It's too dark and there's no one up there walking around. 218 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.159 Okay, so your dogs have been frightened a few times in this particular 219 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.080 area. And on top of that, you had some knocking on the outside 220 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.799 the trailer with no apparent source for it. Anything else, things moved around 221 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.120 in the yard, or strange sounds in the night, or no, we 222 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.759 had some weird screams. We figured we're just mountain lions. But now that 223 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.799 I look back, after what I've experienced now, I feared a lot of 224 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:45.480 those noises probably weren't them. Did did any of your neighbors or your dad 225 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:50.200 or anybody like comments about seeing them or seeing shadows in the night or anything 226 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.559 like that, Well, not that I remember. It was a long time 227 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.600 ago, but not that I remember that. We moved out of there because 228 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.200 the neighbors were two in the drugs and all that. So my dad got 229 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.200 us out of there. They're a little wild, tweaky. Yeah. Yeah, 230 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.519 so it is the Inland Empire, you know. So yeah, interesting, 231 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:07.039 Now how much land did you have? How big was this? Properly? 232 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.360 That's ten acres? I still got it. Now since I haven't seen 233 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:15.080 the documentary, can you describe the landscape. It's on top and it's like 234 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.840 a football field size clearing, and then there's a little road that goes up 235 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:24.399 on both sides with a little circle plot, and then the dryway comes up 236 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.799 and it's on a big bank on a dirt road, and then the back 237 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.279 area is mountains and it gets goes into the Indian reservation, so it's all 238 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.039 emptied. The neighbor there's direct neighbors. I mean, it's like when you 239 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.720 look at it from the Google most of those are abandoned. Most of those 240 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.120 properly there's no one even there. It Is it heavily forested or is it 241 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:48.120 that scrub stuff that chaparral that southern California mountains are thick with it's scrubs, 242 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:50.639 But there's enough trees to make it thick. If you go on the right 243 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:56.840 areas, it's it's pretty thick. There's some big oak trees. Stay tuned 244 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.039 for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these 245 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:11.159 messages. So okay, So you moved out of the property at some point 246 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:15.759 when you're still young, live somewhere else for a while, but you still 247 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.679 own the property. What was what we'll call that previous stuff chapter one? 248 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.200 Where does chapter two start? About ten years ago, I went up with 249 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:26.360 a couple buddies and we just made a little fire pit, and one of 250 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:31.480 my almost some thirty eight, so it was about about twenty eight, twenty 251 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.039 nine, and we just made a little fire pit and we're just having fun 252 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:39.120 just that night, doing whatever. And on about the third time, I'm 253 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:43.679 sitting there and we had a barbecue that had the lid on it about fifteen 254 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.039 feet in front of us, and we were in our tent, it was 255 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.080 like a half tent, and rock bounced right off the barbecue. So we 256 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.120 all stopped. And I've always been in a big Foot, but I never 257 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:54.840 thought it'd be up there. But I was just like, all right, 258 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.279 let's trump the lights and be quiet, and then we sat there with the 259 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:03.039 lights off, and then about five seconds later, another rock bounce right off 260 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:07.120 of it. Perfectly. So then after that I was kind of thinking like, 261 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.480 Okay, maybe something, maybe they are up here, because something's definitely 262 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:15.679 up here. And yeah, and then about a month and a half into 263 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.840 it, we moved the fire pit to the other side, more by the 264 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.120 trees where the creek comes out, and there was three of us. I 265 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.120 was splitting logs. My friend was I don't know what he was doing, 266 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.559 but and then his girlfriend was right there and it gets dark out there. 267 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.600 You can't see in front of your face if you walk away from the fire, 268 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.120 and she radomly just screamed out eyes eyes, and I look up and 269 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.039 I can't see anything, but I hear it run from the tree, and 270 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.960 it runs around my car and starts cutting across the property. And I have 271 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.600 no clue what it was. I just had this little flash that I just 272 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.159 start running after it. I don't know why. I just wanted to see 273 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.320 what it was, thinking it was probably a deer or something. So I'm 274 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.519 cutting, running behind it, behind, cutting across the property, and I 275 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.440 have a cheap flashlight, and I can tell it's about a little bit ahead 276 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.039 of me, and I can hear its legs like running. It sounded like 277 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.359 a swishing, and then when I get to the end, it goes into 278 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.400 the trees and I see the trees moving, like it went swimming right into 279 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.799 the trees. And then after that I realized it was a big hairy man. 280 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:15.279 And then after that I just was like, Okay, they are up 281 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.680 here, so you saw it. I didn't see it, but I felt 282 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.160 it, and I knew it was what it was. I knew that it 283 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:27.599 wasn't a deer or anything else. No, but now I remember I went 284 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:32.160 to Bahalla, that's right in that area, and the people talked about it 285 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:34.200 all the time, but I never I didn't think they were I didn't connect 286 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.559 them the Bigfoot. So you didn't know any big foot stories down there that 287 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:42.720 like priorly like really started. Yeah, once I started digging in, I've 288 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.319 heard other stuff. Like my neighbor I asked him if he gets anything thrown 289 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:49.839 at him, and he said, yeah, I get stuff thrown at me 290 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:52.559 all the time. And I told him kind of what was going on. 291 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:53.119 He's like, oh, I didn't think of that. I just thought it 292 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:57.440 was the Indians throwing stuff at me from the Indian reservation. So yeah, 293 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.160 everyone up there was kind of a little out of it, Yeah, because 294 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.759 that you're pretty I mean, there's no way, I mean, looking at 295 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.759 that terrain and how far away the res is, there's no way that'd be 296 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.759 an option. And Indians get blamed for throwing rocks and sticks at people all 297 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.000 the time when they're you know, during res that's that happened. That's what 298 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.839 people that I thought it was just the Indian screwed with me. It's like 299 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.680 they're not They're not hanging out every day throwing They're coming around a night and 300 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.480 throwing twigs and pine cones at your tent. That must be very bewildering for 301 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.359 like Native people. It's like like it's like what what like what kind of 302 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.799 stereotype is that you know? Yeah, and like Native Yeah, yeah, 303 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.559 you know Native people they're known for going out at night and sneaking up on 304 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.599 people and throwing the sticks and twigs like that's absolutely ridiculous, and it's like 305 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:47.880 that's how unusual. But yeah, a few months after that, I figured 306 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.079 out what I figured they had to be up there, So it was the 307 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.480 same I've gone through different groups going up up there over the time, and 308 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.160 it was me and my friend his girlfriend again doing the same thing around the 309 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:02.960 fire. I was doing something and then we had a music box playing pretty 310 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.960 loud, and I look up my friend and he's looking at me telling me 311 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:10.359 to turn it down. So I turned the music thing off and I'm staring 312 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:12.559 over at him. And then we have a pond, an empty pond that 313 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:17.599 goes to the creek. It's about seventy five yards away from us. All 314 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.279 all of a sudden, hear this like big owl, like whoo, and 315 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.279 we're looking at each other being like what is that? And my friend does 316 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:29.160 one back, and then you can hear it start to walk through the pond 317 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:34.079 and it goes into this like screaming like whoa, just like screaming like that. 318 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.000 And I have my hands on my head looking at my friend being like 319 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:41.079 what is that? And I hear it walk across the pond up and we 320 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.559 had this old chicken coop that's not there anymore, but it walked right behind 321 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.240 the chicken coop and it got quiet, and then it went into this like 322 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.359 more of a talking. It was like whoao, like doing stuff like that. 323 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.640 And then on the other side of us, I hear one cutting through 324 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:02.079 the brush, so there was two of them. So then I'm like, 325 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:03.279 I want to see what this thing is. I want to light it up. 326 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.920 So I get in my car and I have that thing full blast, 327 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.599 going through the dirt, and I have my high beams on and I drive 328 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.359 all through the property and nothing. And then I get back and my friend 329 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:15.200 is at the fire pit and he said, as soon as I got my 330 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.839 car, he heard him cut through. And they left, but I heard 331 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.640 him yelling at each other for a good ten seconds. When did you start 332 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.240 figuring out their travel route? Just it's kind of just one creek area from 333 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.440 the pond goes to the road and it goes to the main canyon and there's 334 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:36.359 a fence from a property that no one's there. That cut is kind of 335 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:40.279 like they have to go on our side on the fence to cut through, 336 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.880 and it's real sick right there. And then if they cut through and go 337 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:47.799 above, it goes up into the mountain range where the Indian Reservation is. 338 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.279 So it's kind of a perfect pathway. And if they do another way, 339 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.359 it's probably a lot more difficult because the lake's at the bottom, so they're 340 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.119 coming out of that canyon if they're getting water at the lake. Yeah, 341 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.400 it's pretty cool because you can see cliff when when you watch the video where 342 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.240 it jumps the fence, like the chain links all bent over the top. 343 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.279 There's a pole that looks like it puts its hand on the vault itself over 344 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.440 and it's like, you know, it's a steel pole. And he's got 345 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.079 a great tree break. That tree break he got awesome. Yeah, it's 346 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:18.400 really twisted if you really look at it, like up close. And that 347 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.480 pathway that cuts around to the backside of the fire pit. On that backside, 348 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.920 there's this little pocket of thick trees. And I had a few few 349 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.039 things happened there. One time. It was me and my buddy, and 350 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.400 I've told him about what's going on up there, and I had them come 351 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.960 up about five or six times and nothing happened. And one night it was 352 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:40.359 pretty late and we're just talking and all of a sudden, a rock comes 353 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:42.920 and lands about five feet away from us near the fire and we both looked 354 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.519 at it roll and we looked at each other and we're like all right. 355 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:48.359 In my mind, I'm like, all right, they're here. And then 356 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.440 we just sat there quietly with our back turn into it, and a few 357 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:56.519 more rocks come in and in the next minute and we got so excited. 358 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:00.880 We gave each other a hug, and then we got quiet again, turned 359 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:03.960 our back, and then I heard this like it was an old beer can 360 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:07.319 that must have been down there for years. I heard it come off his 361 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:10.440 finger as he threw it, and it cut through the brush and it lanted 362 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:15.519 about ten feet behind us and just rolled a few feet. And it threw 363 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.880 an old beer can, and I wish I didn't do this, But then 364 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.400 I walked over with my phone light and shined it into the brush, and 365 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:25.440 I heard it walk off, and it was big, and it just walked 366 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:30.359 into the dark, deep forest. Have you been able to track the things 367 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.880 at all, either by finding nice footprints or just seeing their pathways? And 368 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.440 the reason I asked this, I'm curious about how big their feet might be 369 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:44.720 caught. I found prints cutting across behind the pond after it snowed one day, 370 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.359 and I'm really pissed off my phone broke on that trip up there, 371 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:51.440 and I ended up throwing the phone into the canyon before I walked back there 372 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:55.599 and saw it. But they were perfect across the snow the abandoned road, 373 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:57.680 and they were teenager size. They were smaller mine. It walked in a 374 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:03.079 perfect line and just walked right across the road and the prince took the snow 375 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.119 right off, so it was just you can see him perfectly. But I've 376 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:10.559 seen the other things in the ground, but it's really hard ground with weeds 377 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:12.680 up there, and we'd have the pond, and I've seen some stuff in 378 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:17.680 the sand, but I haven't seen anything like the ones in the snow. 379 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:19.799 That was perfect. And as you say, there's more than one of them. 380 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.440 Yeah, I've had four of them come through one night at the same 381 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:27.759 time. Yeah, I was sleeping. I have this little half shed now 382 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:30.599 and it's right next to the fire pit, and my buddy was there, 383 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:34.559 but he's in. He was sleeping in something where he can't hear anything outside. 384 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.160 He's kind of in, and it was just me out there and it's 385 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:41.119 around three o'clock and I'm on my back, just half asleep, and I 386 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:48.400 hear this this owl. It's like hoo hoo. It starts up coming from 387 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.240 the top part and I'm listening to it, being like, Okay, that 388 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:55.960 doesn't sound right and that's different. And then a little bit later another one 389 00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:59.119 joined in, and then eventually four of them joined in and they were doing 390 00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:03.319 perfect circle go around me. There they had they had me surrounded just for 391 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.240 a couple of minutes. They were doing a perfect circle back and forth, 392 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.720 and I was just listening. And then the one that was over by my 393 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:17.039 driveway, I hear it starting to walk up the hill and it got closer 394 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.839 to the other one, and then eventually they started going, just them to 395 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.759 start going back and forth until they started to argue, and it sounded like 396 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:27.440 gorillas, like doing the hoo hoo hoo, And they went at it for 397 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.799 a few seconds, and then it just got quiet and I didn't hear anything 398 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.160 after that. You didn't hear him leave the area or no, not at 399 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.000 all. But I heard that one walking up and it met up with the 400 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.359 other one and there were four of them there. Have you been able to 401 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.039 speak with any of the indigenous people in the reservation about him? Uh? 402 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.759 No. I never go back there. The road is a different direction and 403 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.039 I never really go back there. And and how big of an area is 404 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.960 that, you know, I'm not sure it's a Santa Isabelle Indian Reservation. 405 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:00.480 I'm not sure how big it is. But they got a lot of land 406 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.000 back there, Okay, Yeah, because southern California particular. A lot of 407 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.920 the reservations are more like rancherias or something like that. Yeah, these people 408 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.720 want to be left alone. You can tell really who doesn't honestly? Yeah, 409 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.359 bigfoots included. So how close do you think you have been to one 410 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.119 of these things? Oh? My best story is my friend Crew I met. 411 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:22.720 It's me and him mostly now, and all the stuff. A lot 412 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.640 of the stuff started happening when it was just me and him, and every 413 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:27.400 time we were up there were like, all right, it's just us some 414 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:33.680 bigfoot tonight. And one night, it was around eleven o'clock. The stars 415 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.440 are out, and my car and his car park next to each other on 416 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.359 the side of where they passed through, and there's a big tree there, 417 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:42.680 and he gets up and walks over to his car. He's like, I 418 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.960 want to go take photos of the stars. So he walks away, and 419 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.519 then I see him come back and he's like, hey, Brian, you 420 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:51.880 can come over there with me. It's dark and I'm scared. So we 421 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.240 both kind of laughed. So we walk over. He's in the back of 422 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:56.920 his car that light on. I have my elbow in his car and I'm 423 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.720 just talking to him. And mine's on the right side meet my car, 424 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.759 and then I hear and just feel this thing. It just stands up right 425 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.839 in front of my car, and I look over and I see this giant 426 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.960 figure. I see the moon shining off his shoulder and his neck, and 427 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.359 it was just a giant sasquatch just standing right next to me. I could 428 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:19.960 have took one step and touched him, and he just casually walked away from 429 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:25.319 my car and walked towards the trees and no rush or anything. So I 430 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:26.680 yell at my friend. I'm like, hey, crew, there's a giant 431 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.960 man out here. And then he's like, I hear it. So he 432 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.200 gets out and has his phone light on him, and the thing walked behind 433 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.279 another tree and we're just standing there and I have my arms on his shoulders 434 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.759 trying to see through his light, and we see his eyes. They were 435 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.640 like bluish crystal and they're about a little over seven feet, just peeking around 436 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.920 the tree, not moving at all, and we're staring at him for about 437 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.119 five seconds, and I was like, hello, friend, I said that 438 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.680 twice twice, and he didn't move or do anything. So then after a 439 00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.640 little bit, I was like, okay, let's trump a light and let 440 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.960 him go, And as soon as he turned the light off, it pushed 441 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.440 away from the tree and walked into the thicker stuff and left. He got 442 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.720 his camera out after that and took photos of the tree lines, and he 443 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.759 didn't catch anything though, it probably just left. Is that the same one 444 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.240 where you were like ten feet from it? Yeah, it was right next 445 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.440 to me because I was right next to my car, and it was probably 446 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.079 just watching us around the fire, and we unexpectedly just walked right up to 447 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:23.799 it, so then it was kind of stuck there and then just got up 448 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.160 and walked off. That was around the same time frame where you had that 449 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.720 sleeping incident, you know. Yeah, that it was probably about a year 450 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:36.160 before that one I was sleeping there. It was around the same time as 451 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.119 I think it was the time after. It was a time after I heard 452 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:45.039 the owls where there was four of them, and on my back again around 453 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.759 the same time, and it was around three o'clock and it was really dark 454 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.920 outside, and I have a little the little half shed has this little pole 455 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.319 down thing and it's like you can see through it, and I'm laying there 456 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.799 and I hear something walking up to me. And I'm kind of frozen, 457 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.599 and it sounds like it's on two feet and it walks right up to me, 458 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:06.720 and it sounds like it's bending over, and it's just I hear it's 459 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:10.359 breathing, and it's real heavy breathing. It's there for about three to four 460 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:14.160 seconds, just staring right at me, and there was no way I was 461 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:15.640 gonna pull my blanket off. I just acted like I was sleeping. I 462 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.720 was scared, and then it just walked off. And the next morning I 463 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.839 look for Prince, but the ground was so hard. But that one was 464 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.799 pretty scary, and I don't know what it was for sure, but it 465 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.880 definitely wasn't a coyote or a deer, and it walked up and I heard 466 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.640 it breathing really deep. Yeah, I'd say, with no bears in the 467 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.319 area to speak of, then like, what else do you have? Really? 468 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.160 After that, I stopped sleeping in that half shed. That was enough 469 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:45.200 for me. How often do you get out there? It was every weekend 470 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.720 for years, but lately it's gotten a car accident earlier this year, so 471 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.000 this year's given kind of slow. I've only been up there about five times, 472 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.960 but it was me and my buddy crew going up there for about three 473 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.599 years, I felt like we're up there every weekend. Most of the time 474 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.440 it was just us two, so I spent a lot of a lot of 475 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.480 nights out there, just just next to the fire pit. What time of 476 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.920 year is more active than the other or like certain times the night or I 477 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.440 don't seem to notice a difference, even the hottest days they've been there, 478 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.400 So I haven't really noticed a difference. What percentage of nights would you say 479 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.480 that you notice activity. It would be about one every four for a while, 480 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.519 but recently, this last this last year, I don't think. I 481 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.960 think I've only had one little one, but I don't know. My friends 482 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.720 been bringing his big old dog up there recently, so I think maybe that 483 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.440 has something to do with it. But you haven't had them recently recently, 484 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.799 But it was like one out of every four or five nights. It was 485 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:44.160 almost automatic for a little bit. It seemed like once a month. Yeah, 486 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.920 it was something little or something. Sometimes they wanted our attention or sometimes 487 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.599 they didn't. One night it was me, crew and my other buddy. 488 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.400 It was just three of us that night, and there was nothing going on. 489 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.319 We're just sitting around the fire quietly, and then on the tree line 490 00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.839 where they passed through, we just all of a sudden hear this tree being 491 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.920 aggressively shooken and I look over and this tree is just shaking really bad. 492 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.799 So some nights we want to like really get into it, and some nights 493 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.359 were just like, oh whatever. But that night we just all got up. 494 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.599 I had my phone on me, so I pull record out with the 495 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.359 flashlight and we run straight into the trees and we hear two of them walking 496 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.160 like they're walking off kind of fast, and they're big and heavy, and 497 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.039 my friend's yelling, yelling the whole time about how big they are. And 498 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:30.839 we walk in there and then it just got dead silent, and we froze, 499 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.559 and we're in the pitch black. We can't my phone light does nothing 500 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.119 out there, and so I'm just kind of filming around the area and there's 501 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.400 no noise or anything. All of a sudden, it takes off and we 502 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.759 hear it, so then we run deeper into it and then it stops again. 503 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.440 So we're just standing there filming, and I didn't know it until the 504 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.759 next day after I watched my video. I have it on Instagram. So 505 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.839 we're like as I looked at in the morning when I was filming, about 506 00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.920 ten feet in front of us, there was these eyes that blinked at us 507 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.680 where just they were really low to the ground, and these were big and 508 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.319 yellow and wide apart. And then as I filmed towards the dock area, 509 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.920 there was another one standing up behind a tree and it blinked too. It's 510 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.920 like it had its eyes closed so we wouldn't see it, and they just 511 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.240 blinked to see where we were, and we didn't know where they were at 512 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:18.799 the time, So then we walked over to the dock where that one was 513 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.319 standing and they didn't move at all. So we stood there on the dock 514 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:27.039 for about five minutes, not knowing there was one just right behind this big 515 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.960 tree the whole time. And then we walked back to the fire a little 516 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.599 bit later, and they never made a noise after that. But I didn't 517 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.000 realize that they were just right in front of us one night until I watched 518 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:42.119 the video. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 519 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:52.880 We'll be right back after these messages. Speaking of noises, you said you've 520 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.599 heard some weird like calls, and then then speaking and all that sort of 521 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.599 stuff. Have you ever heard any of those long sort of Ohio or do 522 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.400 they just not do that there? They don't really do that there. I 523 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.559 hear a lot of the cows, the mimicking of the cows and goats that 524 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.720 was popular for a while. Like one time I was playing catch with my 525 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.359 friend with the football and it was dark and the driveway cuts goes down on 526 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:21.079 the bank side, so we're right there, and out of nowhere a cow, 527 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.079 a full grown cow, is moaning twenty feet away from us on the 528 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.279 driveway and we can't see. It's too thick and dark, and it's just 529 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.839 right on our driveway. And the morning I go down, there's no prints, 530 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.359 there's no cow. I started to notice it after that, And then 531 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.720 one time me and my buddy are on the fire and from the top part, 532 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:39.720 we all of a sudden hear a cow. It is like ma, 533 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.000 So I get up and do one back, and then it does it again 534 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.400 me and it go back and forth a few times as it's getting closer to 535 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.079 us, and then it must have got close enough to realize I was a 536 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:57.960 human. And then it went more into this like squird screaming, and then 537 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:02.119 it just got quiet and left. Well that sounds soothing. Yeah, how 538 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.880 foul? Did you hear him vocalized before they got to your property? You 539 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.200 know, like would you hear like one hundred yards out or a quarter mile 540 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.039 hour? Sometimes they're just right there at nighttime, sometimes like that one on 541 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.480 the driveway, he was twenty feet he was just right there, a full 542 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:21.359 full cow, like right there. And then one time I woke up and 543 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.079 we have a big trampoline up there now, and I got up off the 544 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:29.039 trampoline like seven o'clock and my other buddies are still sleeping. As soon as 545 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.359 I put my toe on the ground, we have this old trailer that shoved 546 00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.400 into the trees and it's probably about seventy five yards away from us. As 547 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.000 soon as my foot hit the ground, I hear a goat and I was 548 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:42.640 like ah, And I look over at my friend and she's laying down. 549 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.440 She's like, there's a goat. And I run over there, thinking there 550 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.440 was a goat there, And as soon as I got there, it's just 551 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.880 dead silent and all I hear is the bees. And that's when I fully 552 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:54.519 realized it was like, all right, they're just messing with us or maybe 553 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:58.720 one made that noise to let the other ones know I'm up because they're just 554 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.880 hanging around. I got those recordings when he was there, the cow recordings. 555 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.960 Yeah, So Eli asked if I do a wood knock, So I 556 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.320 did one, and about ten seconds later, right after I got done, 557 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:12.480 tell them about the cows. We had a cow go off that's probably one 558 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.280 hundred and fifty yards and it was on the abandoned property. We went over 559 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.800 there and looked afterwards, and it was a full cow. It just immediately 560 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.280 replied, But there were no there was no cow when you were no, 561 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.280 there's no Yeah, there's no cows up there. Yeah, you look on 562 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.920 you look on the satellite cliff. There's there's no cows up there. Now, 563 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.039 now you mentioned bees very quickly, so you have you have bee hives. 564 00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:35.360 We have the sun bees, the yellow ones. Do they make honey? 565 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.360 No? They bite you and they go into your SODA's but oh oh, 566 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:43.079 like like yellow jackets. Yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha? All 567 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.840 right? So what what about other sounds like knocks? Do you ever get 568 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:50.639 those? Yeah? I get knocks all the time on the abandoned property. 569 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.400 I think they really liked that area because I'll get the knox all the time. 570 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:58.079 They never reply with a knock back to me, but I get knocks 571 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.119 all the time. I hear him. Sometimes they're deeper in others there's just 572 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.519 one, just one knock at a time. Yeah, Okay. What's on 573 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.519 that abandoned property? Some guy bought it and made a vineyard a long time 574 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.199 ago, probably fifteen years ago, but he failed and then sold it and 575 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.239 it went through some owners. No one's done anything with it, and now 576 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.000 I think a guy in the military has it, but he's never up there 577 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.239 and he hasn't touched it. Are there grapes grape vines there? Yeah, 578 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.440 but they're all rotted out that it gets no water or anything. No one 579 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.239 does another of them produce grapes that are something. No. Yeah, no 580 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.400 one's up there doing anything. What do you think they're on your property? 581 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.280 I mean, it's it just a passage, a pathway from one spot they're 582 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.239 going in there. Sometimes I'm thinking that, and sometimes I think they just 583 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.159 hang out over there. They hang out. They I've noticed in the mornings, 584 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.519 like I just sometimes I feel like they're in the brush watching me until 585 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.280 I get up, and it's just they like to be close. I don't 586 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.119 know. They've never been threatened by them, but I've been scared. Well, 587 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:53.400 you mentioned a chicken coop earlier too, maybe, Yeah, that was 588 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.719 when I was a kid. We had that and then we end up burning 589 00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.960 it. Okay, gotcha, gotcha? Hopefully no chickens. Yeah. So 590 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.239 one time it was just me up there by myself, and I was waiting 591 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.800 for my friend he was running late, and it got dark and I'm chopping 592 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.320 wood and right before it got dark, I want to go pick up trash 593 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.920 with one of those little arm things. I'm just walking around with the bag 594 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.320 picking up the trash at the wind blew, and I'm on the tree line 595 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.840 next to the fence where the abandoned property is, and then I hear this 596 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:25.239 like weird, like like metal noise, like someone has a sheet of metal 597 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.719 and he's like bending it and it's doing the wall wall wall like that kind 598 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.920 of a noise. And it's just right up in there, and I'm trying 599 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.400 to look and there's no one up there, and so I went and did 600 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.519 a wood knock and then nothing. I forget about it, and then it 601 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:44.239 gets dark and I'm getting the fire going, and then I hear a crack 602 00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.840 coming like on the other side of the tree line, and I hear crack, 603 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.760 so I kind of just look up and I'm looking through the fire and 604 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.039 I see these eyes just staring at me and they're standing up and it's not 605 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.280 even behind a tree or anything. It's just standing there. So I'm looking 606 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.119 at it for a bit and I'm like, is that real? Well, 607 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.239 and then I, for some reason, I pointed at it and I was 608 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.639 like, I see you, just to see what would happen. And then 609 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.400 the eyes just smoothly went straight to the ground. It was like it came 610 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:14.239 like a foot off the ground just smoothly went down. And then I was 611 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:15.480 like, Okay, that's real, and I got real scared. I was 612 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.800 by myself and it was my car was halfway to it, so I couldn't 613 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.000 just go and sit in my car. And I never had an encounter that 614 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.719 close, and I totally believe it was one, but I never had to 615 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.719 encounter that close when I was by myself. And then I called my brother. 616 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.320 I was sitting around the fire, called my brother, and my brother 617 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.920 answers and I was like, Vinnie, I'm staring at one right now. 618 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:37.480 I don't know what to do. I'm kind of scared. And then he 619 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.000 was over there arguing with my dad and he's like, hang on a second, 620 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:44.559 Brian's and Brian's scared. So then as I was talking to him, 621 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.079 my friend drove up the driveway and then I looked over and it was gone. 622 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.639 It ran off. But that was pretty creepy, just the way it 623 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:54.039 moved. Yeah, what was it about the way it moved. It just 624 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.199 smoothly went to the ground, and it went really low to the ground after 625 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.480 standing up after it was and feet up, and it's the eyes just yeah, 626 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:06.599 they didn't move much, it just lowered. You've described several colors of 627 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.119 eyes shine so far. Yeah. Yeah, I think it matters what light's 628 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.000 hitting it. Yeah, what kind of bulb or whatever. Yeah, or 629 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.599 ambient light perhaps, Yeah. Yeah, I've thought something very similar for a 630 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.559 long time. So that's what I wanted to follow up. One of the 631 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:22.880 sea So, have you ever found any animal kills or other foraging signs of 632 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.559 things that they might be going after on or near your property? Not really? 633 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.320 Oh no, One time I'll walk over by the dam and I see 634 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:37.480 deer prints coming up and then it looks like a big foot came sliding down 635 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:38.920 the hill, and you see there were the foot slid and it stopped right 636 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:43.920 in front of the deer, and it really looked like the bigfoot ran in 637 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.840 front of the deer and then you could see some movement happen. But I 638 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.400 haven't seen any dead animals or anything like that. One time I put out 639 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.280 a thing of twelve eggs next to the fire and we went on a five 640 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.280 minute walk, and I came back and all the eggs were I left it 641 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:01.400 out for whatever wanted it. It was on the ground. When I came 642 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.519 back, all the eggs were gone and there was no broken shells or anything. 643 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.119 So they took that from you. Have you ever had anything else stolen, 644 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:14.039 or have you ever tried giving them anything else besides me? One time 645 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.800 I had this little I have this little blue so I've seen on videos that 646 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.400 they like blue stuff for some reason. I don't know if it's true or 647 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.760 not. But I had this little blue table I put deep into the trees 648 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.960 where they walked through. And I tried a few things, and one time 649 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.280 I had this black turmaline rock. His turmaline's real popular up there, and 650 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.039 I found this big one and I put it there and about two weeks later 651 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.719 I came back up and checked and it was gone. And I got on 652 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:38.599 the ground and dug through the dirt and I couldn't find it. I don't 653 00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.360 know if it's rat knocked it in a rolled, but I couldn't find it. 654 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.519 That was about it. I'm afraid. I don't know what kind of 655 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.960 rock that is? What is just a black turmaline. It's like it looks 656 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.960 like a crystal or something like that. Okay, and is it you said 657 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.840 it's black or is it blue? Or yeah, it's black's real, it's 658 00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.440 real popular. Yeah, the table is blue. So you left that out 659 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.079 for it, And so you haven't got anything back or anything? No, 660 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.880 nothing like that. Have you ever found anything possibly left for you or something 661 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.039 appearing inexplicably? No, that's why I was trying to use that table for 662 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.679 it. But no, not really. Have you ever felt in danger while 663 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.639 you're there? No, just creeped out like that one time I was staring 664 00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.800 at it by myself. That was when it walked up and was breathing. 665 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.519 Those two times, I just was really scary. Kind of takes the fun 666 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.400 out of it. Did you notice there was like with four people up there? 667 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.519 Or five or two or one. Sometimes we had like ten people up 668 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.519 there, and I've heard some weird noises. One time, for sure, 669 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.760 we have this old storage container of my friends holding their stuff in and it's 670 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.000 about one hundred and fifty yards away, and there was like ten of us 671 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.679 being really loud next to the fire, and it did one of its screams 672 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:51.000 and we all stopped and I was just like, okay, there's one right 673 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.519 there. And there was at least ten of us. But usually the best 674 00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.719 things happened when it's just me and my buddy crew. I feel like they 675 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.920 can get comfortable walk up close. How often do you guys leave something up 676 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.000 for them they're like a tree or a gift. Like I used to do 677 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.440 it all the time, but now I don't really I kind of just gave 678 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.559 up on it. Does it matter if you have a fire going, if 679 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.159 you notice like there's certain things that entice them in or I think the fire. 680 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.280 I think they like the fire because maybe they realize we can't see anything 681 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.760 beyond that because their eyes. I can't see anything when I walk away. 682 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.039 You said, most of the stuff happens when there's two of you. How 683 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.320 often do you go there alone. I don't do that all anymore. A 684 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.239 couple of times I've driven up there in my car, but I don't I 685 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.400 had a car that had a bed in the back and I used to just 686 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.199 knock it out of the car and then drive home in the morning. But 687 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:40.480 I don't have that car anymore. So that was about the only time one 688 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:44.159 out there alone. But I get too creeped out now. I just feel 689 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:46.760 like one could be just fifteen feet away just staring at me behind a tree. 690 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.840 It's just it's too creepy. Okay, So you just don't do that. 691 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.880 Have you ever done that? Yeah? Maybe in the past. I've 692 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.000 probably done it a few times and did things happen? Not when I was 693 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.280 The only time that happened was when I had that stare down with it behind 694 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.679 the fire. Yeah, and I guess that's enough to keep you awake. 695 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:06.920 Yeah, that was enough. A couple of things might have happened. I 696 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.360 didn't notice, but nothing that I like, No story out of it or 697 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.480 anything. You mentioned a creek. Does that creak run through the property? 698 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.880 It gets a pond. The pond's usually empty unless it's winter, but it's 699 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.599 the overflow for the pond, and then the water from the rain runs in 700 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.760 there, so it can get going sometimes, but most of the ear is 701 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:28.000 dry. Yeah, mostly it's dry. I put a trap camera back there 702 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.320 for a while, but all I got was a coyote and like a hawk 703 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.079 picking up a mouse. And I got a few sticks throwing past. I 704 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.039 don't know if it was they look too big just to have the wind throwing, 705 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.239 but I don't know for sure if it was them throwing sticks at it. 706 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.559 How far away is the nearest reliable water source. I think a couple 707 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:50.320 properties have some big ponds. I don't have to look on Google, but 708 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.519 it's it's probably not far and they could probably get to the bottom of the 709 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.320 lake and probably thirty minutes if they walk. And I noticed there was a 710 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.440 calf watering hole right on the other side of the road. You don't have 711 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.760 to go to the lake. It's a cow watering hole, water flowing constantly. 712 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.440 And I stopped over there one time, and the road's pretty thick with 713 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:13.400 trees, and I saw a big tree that was snapped and it was pointing 714 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.400 right at the watering hole. So I think maybe they're going to that watering 715 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.280 hole. If anything, have you got a good look at one of these 716 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:22.760 things, because you did mention the when that one was very very close to 717 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:24.639 you how you saw it walk away. But is that the best look you've 718 00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:29.880 had. I'm pretty sure I got a look at one's feet. One time. 719 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.000 I woke up and we had the bathroom on the upper part of the 720 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:36.480 property, so it was like six thirty. I was all groggy and kind 721 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.119 of out of it walking up and I was the only one up and I 722 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.440 hear this little crack to the right of me, and it was in that 723 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.840 little little pocket where I had the rocks thrown that one time. And I 724 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:51.119 look over without thinking, and I see these like it looked like legs because 725 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.840 it was too tall to be a coyote. And I just see these legs 726 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:58.559 and immediately just walked away and went into the trees. And then I yelled 727 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.119 at my friend, and he looked over at me and could tell that I 728 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:05.199 saw something down there, so he ran over and just passed me up and 729 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.159 went straight into the trees, and I chased him in there and it was 730 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.840 gone. But then there was a pigeon sitting there where I saw it, 731 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.519 and it looked like it was just picked apart, like he was just sitting 732 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.039 there all morning picking this pigeon apart. And then when I got up, 733 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.920 you must have not noticed I was up, And then I'm pretty sure I 734 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.960 saw one, and it was more of a gray color. Did it pick 735 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.159 the feathers out and like pil them? Yeah, it was just the feathers 736 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:31.920 were all over in a circle, and then it looked like it was picking 737 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:36.760 the meat out of there or something like spread out like like like intentionally in 738 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.760 a circle or Yeah, it just didn't look like a coyote or something ripped 739 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:43.199 it apart. It looked different. But that was about the only time I 740 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.719 saw one in daylight, and I'm pretty sure it was his feet because it 741 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.400 was a coyote is not that tall, and this had a bigger mass to 742 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.239 it, and the way it moved it looked like legs walking out. I 743 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.400 didn't get the longest look at it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond 744 00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:05.960 with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. You said 745 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:07.440 you're thirty eight years old, right, so this property has been active for 746 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.679 at least twenty years. Yeah, at least. Do you feel it's the 747 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.039 same ones or I mean, there's no way to really know that or anything, 748 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:20.159 but I believe so. Maybe I think maybe it was a couple of 749 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.119 teenagers and the parents or something, and maybe the teenagers are older now. 750 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:28.800 I don't know, but there seem to be a lot more. Maybe I 751 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.719 haven't given it a good of enough try lately this last year because I've been 752 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:36.719 after my car accident. It's been trying to get everything back together, and 753 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.480 I haven't been up there like I was. But it doesn't seem like the 754 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:45.320 same. But they are there because I can hear them. What are the 755 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:46.960 plans for the property? Like, now, what you know? Once you 756 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:51.360 recover fully from your accident. My friend's been starting to pay for it, 757 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:57.000 and he's like my best friend. So it's just empty and the road going 758 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.079 up to the property has a good longboarding road, so they have races and 759 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:05.159 everything up there, and he's really into that. So groups of long boarders 760 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.039 have been going up there lately. Is that a skateboard thing? Yeah? 761 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.719 Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know. Its treat me. Treat 762 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.960 me like I don't know anything, because it's probably close to the truth. 763 00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.320 Yeah, So mainly it's just me and him, but sometimes he'll have groups 764 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:20.719 of long borders and then they'll they'll go out in the morning. Are they 765 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.559 aware of it, Yeah, a couple of them are. I've had a 766 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.760 couple of friends. One time we scared the kid so bad. Well, 767 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.639 there was just three of us, me and Crew and some kid that never 768 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.199 really up there, and me and Crew heard a noise. It was really 769 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.159 weird noise, and we run into the trees and he was he had to 770 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.519 follow us because he was too scared to stay back, and me and Crew 771 00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.719 are really into trying to find this noise and it keeps moving from us. 772 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.800 And then I look over at him and he's like, guys, I can't 773 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.000 handle this. He was scared to death. He didn't know what to do 774 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.639 with him. So so it happens in the face of those things were so 775 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:57.000 freaking intimidating. You're just like, yeah, but sometimes, like me and 776 00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.239 Crew will just sometimes we're just like, we don't care about it. Mike. 777 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.119 We heard the pigeons again, and there was a couple of them, 778 00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.159 and then we're just sitting around the fire talking and then about a couple of 779 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.199 minutes later, we hear them walking through that pathway and they're so loud, 780 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.199 and we just looked at each other and be like, oh, there they 781 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.639 are. We just didn't have the energy to deal with it that night. 782 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.440 It's strange that you hear them move around so much, because, I mean, 783 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.039 so many times they can just come in the ninja mode and not be 784 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:23.960 heard at all. It seems sometimes they do, sometimes they do, and 785 00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.119 sometimes they just don't seem to care. Do you ever actually hear them climbing 786 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.719 that fence. I've heard the fence move a few times. Not that one 787 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.079 down there. I can't hear that one very well, but I've had the 788 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.360 other one move randomly a few times. The chain link. Yeah, you 789 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.400 just feel like it sounds like like, I mean, we all have heard 790 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:44.719 people climb over a chain link fence, you know. Yeah, I definitely 791 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.519 heard a rocket at one time, but I haven't heard it doesn't sound like 792 00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:51.280 someone's climbing it. So when you typically go to the property, do you 793 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.039 have a routine, I mean, like looking at your behaviors, Do you 794 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.760 do the same thing most of the time or what? What what would you 795 00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.599 do if you went out there, say, tonight, I have this tree 796 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.239 right next to the fire pit, and I have the stick and now I 797 00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.039 just hit the sticks together. But usually I'd go up there and just one 798 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.119 or two good hits, like a couple of minutes apart, and then I 799 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.039 just do my own thing, and sometimes I'll have music on, sometimes I 800 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.679 won't. Sometimes I ignore them just to let them kind of get nosy. 801 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.760 It's kind of ignore him most of the time, and then they'll let me 802 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.440 know when they want attention, and you really feel they want attention or yeah, 803 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:30.880 sometimes sometimes they do. For sure. There's the way they mimic those 804 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.320 that pigeon and it's just there, or maybe they're trying to talk to each 805 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.119 other as they're going by me and think I don't notice. But sometimes I 806 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.280 feel like they really want my attention. Yeah, because that's something that occurred 807 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.880 to me when you were speaking, is that if you can completely ignore them, 808 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.880 maybe they think that, well, this guy's an idiot and he doesn't 809 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.280 know what you'ven't even here. We don't have to worry about him so much, 810 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:52.519 and we just they go about their business, and maybe that's why they're 811 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.000 not slinking around being all quiet. Yeah, well he used to call back 812 00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.880 to him and stuff. I think I think they know that he's aware of 813 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.760 what you think I would think, So I think they are comfortable because if 814 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.199 it's a if, I just don't see them traveling that far. It feels 815 00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.440 like they're just always there. So it's got to be just they're just hanging 816 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.159 out. They know the area really well, and they get bored at nights 817 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.559 sometimes or sometimes they got to they gotta do something, They gotta get water. 818 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.519 Who knows. There seems to be plenty around to eat. What would 819 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.000 you eat if you were if you had like lightning fast reflexes, could runs 820 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:29.360 fast as a deer and had no taste in good cuisine. There's a lot 821 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.519 of rabbits, a lot of birds. You can knock a tree, a 822 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.960 bird out of a tree pretty easily, a lot of pigeons, reptiles, 823 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.440 yeah, deer if you could hunt one and a deer would be pretty easy. 824 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.880 So there's plenty of those sort of animals. And I know you mentioned 825 00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:50.039 a lot of abandoned properties nearby and a couple that are perhaps occupied. Would 826 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.760 there be enough, say, crops of any sort to help you out with 827 00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:00.199 that? I don't know. I don't travel much besides my property. The 828 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.440 vineyard might have some grapes growing during the winter. I haven't gotten a close 829 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.239 look. I'll take a look next time. But other than that, it's 830 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:12.119 pretty dead desert. Besides the brush in the trees, it's pretty dead up 831 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:14.960 there. Yeah. Well, you know, deserts have a huge variety of 832 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.320 food around. Yeah. I don't know much about that, but I do 833 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:22.039 know that there's a tremendous amount of food available, especially in the zones between 834 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.320 the forests and the desert, like those transition zones. And it sounds like 835 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.159 that canyon, whatever that canyon is, has a lot of water running water 836 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:30.480 through it. Yeah, it gets pretty big. It has a pretty big 837 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:36.719 waterfall. When we hiked down there is I'd made this jump across this little 838 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.360 gap, and I'll never do anything like that again. It was so scary, 839 00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:43.519 so if I would have fell, it was far enough to die. 840 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.119 So then we got stuck so we couldn't get back up. So then we 841 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.440 had to cut through people's property, going straight up the bank, and it 842 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.119 took us like two hours to get out of there. We were exhausted by 843 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.119 the time we got out, and we're like, all right, never again. 844 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.119 Yeah, And of course the tweakers are the sentinels down there too. 845 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.280 Yeah, it's scary. We went through the one property where we had our 846 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.920 heads down, and it was scary. Plans for the property. I know 847 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:07.360 what you mentioned it earlier, but your friend's been going up there. You're 848 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.239 going to build a house on it, or if we do, it's like 849 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:14.519 com probably is gonna build a little shed eventually. He's probably doing the same 850 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.239 thing for now, but there's no plan to build a big house. There's 851 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.719 a well that just I bought the pump and the solar panels for the well 852 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.280 a couple of years ago, but now we just need the piping and the 853 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.920 like the wires to go down to the bottom. It's like it's like four 854 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.960 hundred feet or something. That's pretty expensive there. Yeah, so we just 855 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.599 had a pause at that, but we want to have it going so because 856 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:37.800 when I lived up there with the kid, we had the pond filled all 857 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.719 year long. Other than that, there's no real plans for it. Cool, 858 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.039 so you're just going to keep on doing what you're doing. Yeah for 859 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.519 now, Yeah, I'm enjoying it. I want to get since I stop 860 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.400 using my shed. My friend built it into a bigger house for him, 861 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.039 and right now I don't have anything to sleep inside my car or a tent, 862 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.920 so I just need to build something to make it more enjoyable out there. 863 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.920 Is there snow right now? No, it snows about every two years 864 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:06.920 and it only lasts for about a week. Okay, but it gets pretty 865 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.840 darn cold anyway though. Oh yeah, it's it's freezing sometimes for anywhere, 866 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.519 let alone southern California. Yeah, you get a good freeze out there. 867 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:20.199 Brian has actually had a couple of bigfoot celebrities and then a real Hollywood celebrity 868 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.079 come down and actually do an investigation there. Can you talk about that? 869 00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:29.760 Oh yeah, I had Matt Moneymaker up there one night and he brought up 870 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:34.119 Johnny Bananas from MTV. We did a whole thing up there one night, 871 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.880 and then another night he came up and brought Rob Low. That night was 872 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:43.079 interesting. Rob Low took a walk up to the top and we heard this 873 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.480 mountain lion screaming down on the bottom of the road and then you just hear 874 00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:52.159 him coming running full speed down up from the top. It was funny. 875 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:57.079 What was your impression on television and how it's made you know? It was 876 00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.920 good? It was I think it would scare the bigfoots away up there, 877 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.239 but it was good. Too many lights and people, yeah, too much 878 00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.519 going on and they might get interested in it. I don't know when. 879 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:09.840 When Matt was up there with the guy from MTV, they were doing their 880 00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:13.719 thing, and there was a mountain line up there that day because Matt saw 881 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:16.079 it in his thermal, so I, instead of waiting by the fire I 882 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:20.280 walked over to him, and like the producer lady was there and their car 883 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.519 was down by the fire pit, and all of us were up there, 884 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.360 and and then out of nowhere, like we were on the backside as there 885 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:30.440 were filming, and her car door opened and slammed, and then we all 886 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.719 looked at it. Matt didn't hear it because he was busy, but her 887 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:36.760 car door opened and slammed pretty good. And then we all looked at each 888 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:37.239 other, being like all right, And I was like, all right, 889 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.719 one's down there messing with us right now. But that was about all we 890 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.519 had happened that night. Was Rob Love was was he impressively he heard there's 891 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.000 just that that mountain line. That was it. There's no big foot action, 892 00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:51.519 he said when he was up there, I don't even know if that 893 00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:52.760 was a mountain lie. So it was so weird and we're all there, 894 00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:57.840 but he said when he was up there. He said, it sounded like 895 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.079 someone picked up a big log and down in the trees. So he was 896 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:06.280 already like listening to that and kind of creeped out on that, and then 897 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.039 the mountain lion voice started going off on the sound. It was just screaming, 898 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.639 like really loud, and it took me a second to realize what it 899 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.119 was. But if it was that, but he definitely came running down. 900 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:21.239 It was pretty funny. So did you make any screen time? Did you 901 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.440 get screen time on that Rob Low thing? No, they didn't film on 902 00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.480 that night. He was just up there with the sun. But I was 903 00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.079 on the I don't know what network it was on. It was after Halloween 904 00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:35.119 and I had about a minute and a half on there, maybe a minute 905 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.880 just on like the intro. All right, Brian, Well, thank you 906 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.440 very much for coming on the show and sharing with us. I mean, 907 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:44.880 I think it's fascinating, not only the extended activity that you've been privy to, 908 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.119 but also the fact that it's in southern California. You know, with 909 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.400 what sixteen million people living next story, you wouldn't think the Sasquatches around, 910 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.440 but sure enough they are, which is a testament to a couple of things. 911 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:59.599 Number one, about number one of sasquatches. Number two, the wild 912 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.159 land that are adjacent to one of the largest cities in the entire world, 913 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:07.360 and how wild they still are. I think it's fascinating, super interesting. 914 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.920 Yeah, about an hour and a half from San Diego. Yeah, yeah, 915 00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:13.519 yeah, Well, thank you very much man for coming on. It's 916 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.880 super fascinating. I'm going to go check out that documentary. I don't spend 917 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.480 a lot of time looking at TV, let alone Bigfoot TV. But now 918 00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.880 that I've met you, I have a reason too, so I'll go check 919 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:24.360 that out. They did a really good job of capturing it. You can 920 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:29.440 see everything he's talking about and it all makes sense. Okay, So I 921 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.400 guess that's heads up for all all listeners. Go check out that stuff by 922 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:36.079 Eli Watson and Brian was the name of the documentary, please Bigfoot at the 923 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.199 Border, Bigfoot at the Portum writing that down right now, I'm sure most 924 00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:42.039 of our reader our listeners are as well. Yeah, but I'm going down. 925 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:43.719 I'm going to go. When I get back down, I'm going to 926 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.400 go down and see him, and I think I'm gonna get some I got 927 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:51.079 some of our good terms I'm gonna be able to borrow like real good ones 928 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.320 and go down and hopefully do another or two with Brian and his property here 929 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:58.519 coming up pretty soon. Yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah, well cool, 930 00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:00.679 Brian. I'll check you out then. Thanks so much, man, 931 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.480 We appreciate you coming on. Yeah, thank you guys. All right, 932 00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:05.480 Bobo, and that was a fun one. Thank you very much for lighting 933 00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:07.960 that lining up that guest, I really appreciate it, and again for all 934 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.760 the reasons that I previously mentioned. And you know, I mean, it's 935 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:14.840 so funny. I move, you know, I move all the way up 936 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.239 to Oregon, you know, to be near bigfoots and it turns out there 937 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:21.000 in my backyard when I was in Long Beach. Yeah, okay, well 938 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.239 cool, folks. Thanks for tuning in and joining us. We appreciate the 939 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:29.320 support, thanks to Brian down there in San Diego. And until next week, 940 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:37.719 y'all keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot 941 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.239 and Beyond. If you liked what you heard, please rate and review us 942 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.800 on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get your podcasts, and 943 00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:51.960 follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. 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