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Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Good afternoon, Bobo. How you doing today?
Excellent? How are you? Cliff? Not bad at all? Not
bad at all. I'm at the museum today. Of course I work every
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Mini the other days as well, but here
today just kind of touching up the museum, doing some touch up painting jobs.
We're filling some new display cases with some cool stuff. We have some
new original casts on display, you know, from Ape Canyon. Oddly enough,
what yours it was like this year twenty twenty three, I believe.
Okay, now I'm going be last year, but I'm pretty sure it was
this year. I think it was in July, if I remember right.
Some local researchers found some stuff about a mile and a half above the Ape
Canyon trailhead, so the general area, which is great. We put that
on display early, even though we're planning on making a rather grandiose Ape Canyon
display for the entirety of twenty twenty four, because that is the one hundredth
year anniversary of the events. Yeah, beyond that, you know, I
guess the big news of this week is that yesterday Keith, who's a contractor
here at the NBC and general handyman and all around good guy, he came
into my house where I lived because we're I'm going to start rewiring the outbuilding
where your trailer lives, you know, yeah, And so we're going to
start rewiring it because a lot of the plugs are dead and it just it's
just time. I need to redo the lights and all that stuff. So
Keith came over, and I don't know anything about electricity, right. That
kind of scares me. You know, you may find you may find that
shocking, thank you very much. But so he was over, and he
came over around noon or something. As he was pointing at this and it
says, you need this, and I'll give you a list of things to
buy, and I'll come over and I'll show you how to do this and
that and stuff. And we're done around twelve thirty. And I'm assuming it's
raining pretty hard down there, because I know it's been raining like crazy up
here. So I kind of said, well, you want to go to
the woods. It's not raining real hard right now, and he goes,
yeah, sure, I got nothing. So he went to the woods yesterday
and walked because you know, it's been like I think right now as I'm
saying this, it's like fifty eight degrees. That's exactly what it is here.
Yeah, it's so warm, and yesterday was no exception. It's that
Pineapple Express that you know, that warm southern rain coming up. So it's
been in the mid to upper fifties all week. I think yesterday was in
Portland at least a topped oat at sixty or sixty two or some ridiculous number
like that. It was insane. Right, So there's no snow and it's
December, so I wanted to take advantage of getting up to one of my
higher elevation spots. So Keith and I went out there and walked this one
particular area that we've been lucky before, and sure enough we found prints again.
Yesterday I came back with came back with five casts in my car yesterday,
the same one, its the same smaller foot Yeah. Well, yeah,
this particular area has yielded two different sizes of animals before, a twelve
inch and a fourteen or fifteen inch, and we have prints from both of
them from yesterday. Oh, how were they in conjunction? Like, well,
we found the twelve inch one where we found the twelve inch one before,
and it was crossing the road and then running up the embankment that same
place. We looked like at the corner of the road bends right there,
not where the bend is, no, no, no, before that,
long before that, actually over by a spring, and then it went up
into the hill. So we got one print on the road that shows a
couple toes. It's not, you know, not going to impress anybody or
anything, but I love it. We found one print on the road which
we cast, and then we missed one. But then we found three others
going up the embankment. And this embankment is it doesn't stop. It's the
side of a hill. You know, it goes up like one hundred feet
or something like that. You know, I found three or four before I
lost it in the forest stuff. We tried to cast one of those.
I don't have real high hopes for it because it was mostly in plant matter,
but since I could see the toes in person, I wanted to give
it a try. And then we continued walking this area, and about one
hundred and fifty or two hundred yards down the road, Keith like, I
see something in the ground. I go, that looks like a heel impression,
What is this? And I'm like getting down and close and personal with
it? And I look back and Keith is, you know, like five
feet away from me looking at another thing in the ground, says, what
do you think this is? And I started looking. I look at his
I go, well, I don't know. That kind of looks like a
heel of it. What direction? Like? Is that a foot? Then
by see is that a toe on that side? He goes, I thought
it was going the other way, and we couldn't really decipher it, you
know, because that's something I learned from Tom Shade when I had an opportunity
to go tracking with him. He says, anything in the ground that looks
funky, anything in the ground that looks unusual, down on your hands and
knees and really look at that, you know, give it five or ten
minutes if that's what it takes. Give it a long time and see if
you can figure out what's going on. So Keith and I are like looking
at his thing, and I think, I don't know what direction is going
on? Is that a toe or is that a toe on the other side?
And I go, well, Keith, look at what I found over
here. And then I take them five feet away and I look, and
he goes, oh my god, because he hadn't made it down that far.
You. He goes, well, that's the heel, right, And
I said, yeah, that's a heel. And we start looking and sure
enough there's toes, which solved the mystery about which direction the other footprint was
traveling on my dad. So we found three tracks there, two of which
that we felt were castable. The other one was it was a mark on
the ground and just there's really nothing to pour plaster in. And then of
course we start looking around the area backtrack and go twenty thirty fifty feet in
each direction, and behind where these two or actually three tracks were, we
found some other marks in the ground, and Keith's going, what what kind
of animal makes that? That's a weird one. It's like these weird scrape
marks that were kind of like all going towards a central point and I'm looking
at I go, dude, that might be a hand, and he looks,
oh my god. There and then we start counting these scrap and you
imagine like a big old hand, you know, sticking out. And of
course it wasn't just one impression. I think it was a number of marks
from the same hand as it moved around. I don't know what it was
doing, but we counted five fingers, all kind of coming to a central
point, and we well, we cast all these things and it was a
sloppy looking print in the ground. I don't have real high hopes of the
cast looking much like a hand, but perhaps it'll yield some sort of information.
So that was just yesterday. So I kind of did a preliminary you
know, squirt down to the cast, not rubbing it or anything like that
because it's not set yet. So anyway, yeah, that was yesterday.
So pretty pretty epic day, man, pretty epic day going out to the
woods on a whim and coming back with five casts. That's awesome. Yeah,
yeah, everything's coming up, Cliff, Well yeah, yeah, Me
and Millhouse are kind of, you know, kindred spirits in a lot of
ways. So what's up with you? Man, anything good, anything unusual?
Yeah, I mean getting nothing. They're getting in the woods more so
that's good, excellent. Where have you been going? Just up in the
redwoods? Just different spots, nothing big, you know, just doing a
you know, a couple of mile high Well, I mean that's all,
that's all I'm doing, you know. Yeah, you go to a spot
where they are, man, and you'll probably find some stuff that's great.
But up there, it's like you really got it. For my experiences,
you really got to get off trail usually to have stuff fine stuff or here
stuff usually Oh yeah that has been mine. But I mean we're just sticking
on the road. So maybe we're just in a good spot or something.
Yeah, you're in a better spot because there's not people trapsing around where you're
aut like that, like like there's redwoods. No no, but you can
probably go behind those gates and walk around. Oh yeah, yeah you can.
And this is the time of year, man, because the tourist seasons
pretty much not in existence right now, even though there's people around. It's
a national park or the state park, and of course it doesn't really snow
necessarily on the coast there. So this sounds like a great time a year
to be out in the woods in the red Yeah. Yeah, it seemed
pretty nice. And then so speaking of good weather, we got a witness.
This is from down in San Diego. He actually my brother met him
in line or in the bathroom or something waiting in line with the bathroom at
the Dodgers game, Dodgers Padre game. He was a big Padre fan,
so he came up to LA and Dodger Stadium and they got to talking in
the line, and I guess he had a big foot hatter. My brother
had a big foot shirt or something, the big foot thing, and they
started talking and he's like, he's do you tell your brother to come down
and check out my place? I got squatches there and then I talked to
him for about ten minutes on the phone. And then I didn't get his
number, and my brother had it and he ended up losing it. But
I talked to him for about ten minutes, and he sent me a video
clip of him talking, you know, about a forty five second clip saying,
you know, this is where I'm at, and you know I'm done
by lake handshot and I could just talk about for tests. I'm like this
guy it's I think he's really got him. Like, I'm like, he
sounds legit. And then I uh, like a year and a half later,
I'm watching We're gonna have Eli Watson. I'm from small Town Monsters our
Guests like a month ago, and he was He's like, yeah, I
made a movie called Bigfoot the Border. I check it out. I'm like,
oh my god, that's that's Brian, the guy I talked to.
My brother talked to you, and so I got in touch with him,
and he's gonna come on and we're gonna talk about some Southern California squatching.
Nice. Yeah, Southern California. I mean, I think it's overlooked for
bigfoot habitat because it's some really crazy habitat down there, man. I mean,
the grizzlies loved it. There's lots of black bears around there. Still,
why wouldn't there be sasquatches around there? Yeah, I think and I've
always said, I think that might be the city going to the living peninsul
where it's just so watered everywhere in green shrubberries like Vietnam, just thick jungle
like I always thought, like, man, like New Mexico, Arizona southern
California, Like there's only so many water sources and there's only so much cover.
I mean there's a lot of there's a lot more cover than people think.
But the waters is the big key down there. And if you got
a spot where they're going through near water, I mean I think that's a
great spot to focus. Absolutely absolutely. So hey, Brian, welcome the
Bigfoot and Beyond with me and that guy. We really appreciate you coming on
and talking to us and filling this sen what's been going on. I had
no problem. I watched your I watched your segment again last time on the
on the documentary. Yeah, Bigfoot at the Border, Bigfoot the Border,
which of course, as Bobo mentioned, is by Eli Watson, part of
the Small Town Monsters crew. I think all that stuff is Is it for
free on YouTube? Brian? Yeah? It is, oh cool. So
I always like driving us some eyes onto my friend's YouTube pages. So Agaain,
I mentioned to you before the show before we pushed the record button that
I don't really know anything about you or anything like that, and you briefly
mentioned that you've been doing Bigfoot stuff for like what ten years or something?
Yeah, about ten years? If I gather thingsly from what Bobo said,
you've had activity on your property. Yeah, I grew up there when I
was a little kid, from about eight to twelve. My dad bought it
and it's an empty property up on top of a mountain range and we lived
there for four years or so, and we had all the animals and we
had a few weird things happened, but I never would think bigfoot at the
time. And then the property went left alone for fifteen years and then I
just randomly went up camping with my friends and it was my dad had the
house bulldoze, so it was just a flat land on top and we just
had a fire pit and we were just having fun up there, and then
stuff started to happen. So looking back, when so you lived on this
property as a as a young boy, sounds like and you said at the
time he didn't really put two and two together that sasquatches might be involved.
And I can totally understand that. What were the things now that you're older
and having had more experiences looking back, what were the things that could have
tipped you off sasquatches were involved? Well, we had lived in a trailer
at first before my dad built the house and we had movie night. There
was five of us in there in one little room. And one night something
walked up behind the trailer and tapped the wall right next to my dad's head.
So he got out and with the shotgun walked around. There was nothing
there. As soon as he gets back in, we start the movie again,
it comes back and knocks again. And then there was a couple of
times our dogs got so frightened they jumped in the truck and didn't want to
get out. We dealt with mountain lions and stuff up there, but that
never caused it. And the horses were freaking out a few times, and
just little stuff like that. Now you probably had bears in the area as
well. No, they released black bears out there a while back, but
they didn't last long. They just ended up in the city, so they
took them out. Just mountain lions and deer. Mountains had a lot of
deer, Yeah, a lot of deer. I get them coming through in
groups. Kats. Yeah. Now, when you said it tapped on the
outside of the trailer, is it like a tap tap tap or is a
boo? It was more like a knuckle tapping. Okay, like multiple Yeah,
it wasn't banging, gotcha, gotcha, But clearly something some sort of
pattern that made you go, that's not something hitting the trailer, that's yeah
happened. Yeah, we just figured as a ghost or something. But I
love that that was your first go to. Yeah, it's about all we
could think of. It's too dark and there's no one up there walking around.
Okay, so your dogs have been frightened a few times in this particular
area. And on top of that, you had some knocking on the outside
the trailer with no apparent source for it. Anything else, things moved around
in the yard, or strange sounds in the night, or no, we
had some weird screams. We figured we're just mountain lions. But now that
I look back, after what I've experienced now, I feared a lot of
those noises probably weren't them. Did did any of your neighbors or your dad
or anybody like comments about seeing them or seeing shadows in the night or anything
like that, Well, not that I remember. It was a long time
ago, but not that I remember that. We moved out of there because
the neighbors were two in the drugs and all that. So my dad got
us out of there. They're a little wild, tweaky. Yeah. Yeah,
so it is the Inland Empire, you know. So yeah, interesting,
Now how much land did you have? How big was this? Properly?
That's ten acres? I still got it. Now since I haven't seen
the documentary, can you describe the landscape. It's on top and it's like
a football field size clearing, and then there's a little road that goes up
on both sides with a little circle plot, and then the dryway comes up
and it's on a big bank on a dirt road, and then the back
area is mountains and it gets goes into the Indian reservation, so it's all
emptied. The neighbor there's direct neighbors. I mean, it's like when you
look at it from the Google most of those are abandoned. Most of those
properly there's no one even there. It Is it heavily forested or is it
that scrub stuff that chaparral that southern California mountains are thick with it's scrubs,
But there's enough trees to make it thick. If you go on the right
areas, it's it's pretty thick. There's some big oak trees. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these
messages. So okay, So you moved out of the property at some point
when you're still young, live somewhere else for a while, but you still
own the property. What was what we'll call that previous stuff chapter one?
Where does chapter two start? About ten years ago, I went up with
a couple buddies and we just made a little fire pit, and one of
my almost some thirty eight, so it was about about twenty eight, twenty
nine, and we just made a little fire pit and we're just having fun
just that night, doing whatever. And on about the third time, I'm
sitting there and we had a barbecue that had the lid on it about fifteen
feet in front of us, and we were in our tent, it was
like a half tent, and rock bounced right off the barbecue. So we
all stopped. And I've always been in a big Foot, but I never
thought it'd be up there. But I was just like, all right,
let's trump the lights and be quiet, and then we sat there with the
lights off, and then about five seconds later, another rock bounce right off
of it. Perfectly. So then after that I was kind of thinking like,
Okay, maybe something, maybe they are up here, because something's definitely
up here. And yeah, and then about a month and a half into
it, we moved the fire pit to the other side, more by the
trees where the creek comes out, and there was three of us. I
was splitting logs. My friend was I don't know what he was doing,
but and then his girlfriend was right there and it gets dark out there.
You can't see in front of your face if you walk away from the fire,
and she radomly just screamed out eyes eyes, and I look up and
I can't see anything, but I hear it run from the tree, and
it runs around my car and starts cutting across the property. And I have
no clue what it was. I just had this little flash that I just
start running after it. I don't know why. I just wanted to see
what it was, thinking it was probably a deer or something. So I'm
cutting, running behind it, behind, cutting across the property, and I
have a cheap flashlight, and I can tell it's about a little bit ahead
of me, and I can hear its legs like running. It sounded like
a swishing, and then when I get to the end, it goes into
the trees and I see the trees moving, like it went swimming right into
the trees. And then after that I realized it was a big hairy man.
And then after that I just was like, Okay, they are up
here, so you saw it. I didn't see it, but I felt
it, and I knew it was what it was. I knew that it
wasn't a deer or anything else. No, but now I remember I went
to Bahalla, that's right in that area, and the people talked about it
all the time, but I never I didn't think they were I didn't connect
them the Bigfoot. So you didn't know any big foot stories down there that
like priorly like really started. Yeah, once I started digging in, I've
heard other stuff. Like my neighbor I asked him if he gets anything thrown
at him, and he said, yeah, I get stuff thrown at me
all the time. And I told him kind of what was going on.
He's like, oh, I didn't think of that. I just thought it
was the Indians throwing stuff at me from the Indian reservation. So yeah,
everyone up there was kind of a little out of it, Yeah, because
that you're pretty I mean, there's no way, I mean, looking at
that terrain and how far away the res is, there's no way that'd be
an option. And Indians get blamed for throwing rocks and sticks at people all
the time when they're you know, during res that's that happened. That's what
people that I thought it was just the Indian screwed with me. It's like
they're not They're not hanging out every day throwing They're coming around a night and
throwing twigs and pine cones at your tent. That must be very bewildering for
like Native people. It's like like it's like what what like what kind of
stereotype is that you know? Yeah, and like Native Yeah, yeah,
you know Native people they're known for going out at night and sneaking up on
people and throwing the sticks and twigs like that's absolutely ridiculous, and it's like
that's how unusual. But yeah, a few months after that, I figured
out what I figured they had to be up there, So it was the
same I've gone through different groups going up up there over the time, and
it was me and my friend his girlfriend again doing the same thing around the
fire. I was doing something and then we had a music box playing pretty
loud, and I look up my friend and he's looking at me telling me
to turn it down. So I turned the music thing off and I'm staring
over at him. And then we have a pond, an empty pond that
goes to the creek. It's about seventy five yards away from us. All
all of a sudden, hear this like big owl, like whoo, and
we're looking at each other being like what is that? And my friend does
one back, and then you can hear it start to walk through the pond
and it goes into this like screaming like whoa, just like screaming like that.
And I have my hands on my head looking at my friend being like
what is that? And I hear it walk across the pond up and we
had this old chicken coop that's not there anymore, but it walked right behind
the chicken coop and it got quiet, and then it went into this like
more of a talking. It was like whoao, like doing stuff like that.
And then on the other side of us, I hear one cutting through
the brush, so there was two of them. So then I'm like,
I want to see what this thing is. I want to light it up.
So I get in my car and I have that thing full blast,
going through the dirt, and I have my high beams on and I drive
all through the property and nothing. And then I get back and my friend
is at the fire pit and he said, as soon as I got my
car, he heard him cut through. And they left, but I heard
him yelling at each other for a good ten seconds. When did you start
figuring out their travel route? Just it's kind of just one creek area from
the pond goes to the road and it goes to the main canyon and there's
a fence from a property that no one's there. That cut is kind of
like they have to go on our side on the fence to cut through,
and it's real sick right there. And then if they cut through and go
above, it goes up into the mountain range where the Indian Reservation is.
So it's kind of a perfect pathway. And if they do another way,
it's probably a lot more difficult because the lake's at the bottom, so they're
coming out of that canyon if they're getting water at the lake. Yeah,
it's pretty cool because you can see cliff when when you watch the video where
it jumps the fence, like the chain links all bent over the top.
There's a pole that looks like it puts its hand on the vault itself over
and it's like, you know, it's a steel pole. And he's got
a great tree break. That tree break he got awesome. Yeah, it's
really twisted if you really look at it, like up close. And that
pathway that cuts around to the backside of the fire pit. On that backside,
there's this little pocket of thick trees. And I had a few few
things happened there. One time. It was me and my buddy, and
I've told him about what's going on up there, and I had them come
up about five or six times and nothing happened. And one night it was
pretty late and we're just talking and all of a sudden, a rock comes
and lands about five feet away from us near the fire and we both looked
at it roll and we looked at each other and we're like all right.
In my mind, I'm like, all right, they're here. And then
we just sat there quietly with our back turn into it, and a few
more rocks come in and in the next minute and we got so excited.
We gave each other a hug, and then we got quiet again, turned
our back, and then I heard this like it was an old beer can
that must have been down there for years. I heard it come off his
finger as he threw it, and it cut through the brush and it lanted
about ten feet behind us and just rolled a few feet. And it threw
an old beer can, and I wish I didn't do this, But then
I walked over with my phone light and shined it into the brush, and
I heard it walk off, and it was big, and it just walked
into the dark, deep forest. Have you been able to track the things
at all, either by finding nice footprints or just seeing their pathways? And
the reason I asked this, I'm curious about how big their feet might be
caught. I found prints cutting across behind the pond after it snowed one day,
and I'm really pissed off my phone broke on that trip up there,
and I ended up throwing the phone into the canyon before I walked back there
and saw it. But they were perfect across the snow the abandoned road,
and they were teenager size. They were smaller mine. It walked in a
perfect line and just walked right across the road and the prince took the snow
right off, so it was just you can see him perfectly. But I've
seen the other things in the ground, but it's really hard ground with weeds
up there, and we'd have the pond, and I've seen some stuff in
the sand, but I haven't seen anything like the ones in the snow.
That was perfect. And as you say, there's more than one of them.
Yeah, I've had four of them come through one night at the same
time. Yeah, I was sleeping. I have this little half shed now
and it's right next to the fire pit, and my buddy was there,
but he's in. He was sleeping in something where he can't hear anything outside.
He's kind of in, and it was just me out there and it's
around three o'clock and I'm on my back, just half asleep, and I
hear this this owl. It's like hoo hoo. It starts up coming from
the top part and I'm listening to it, being like, Okay, that
doesn't sound right and that's different. And then a little bit later another one
joined in, and then eventually four of them joined in and they were doing
perfect circle go around me. There they had they had me surrounded just for
a couple of minutes. They were doing a perfect circle back and forth,
and I was just listening. And then the one that was over by my
driveway, I hear it starting to walk up the hill and it got closer
to the other one, and then eventually they started going, just them to
start going back and forth until they started to argue, and it sounded like
gorillas, like doing the hoo hoo hoo, And they went at it for
a few seconds, and then it just got quiet and I didn't hear anything
after that. You didn't hear him leave the area or no, not at
all. But I heard that one walking up and it met up with the
other one and there were four of them there. Have you been able to
speak with any of the indigenous people in the reservation about him? Uh?
No. I never go back there. The road is a different direction and
I never really go back there. And and how big of an area is
that, you know, I'm not sure it's a Santa Isabelle Indian Reservation.
I'm not sure how big it is. But they got a lot of land
back there, Okay, Yeah, because southern California particular. A lot of
the reservations are more like rancherias or something like that. Yeah, these people
want to be left alone. You can tell really who doesn't honestly? Yeah,
bigfoots included. So how close do you think you have been to one
of these things? Oh? My best story is my friend Crew I met.
It's me and him mostly now, and all the stuff. A lot
of the stuff started happening when it was just me and him, and every
time we were up there were like, all right, it's just us some
bigfoot tonight. And one night, it was around eleven o'clock. The stars
are out, and my car and his car park next to each other on
the side of where they passed through, and there's a big tree there,
and he gets up and walks over to his car. He's like, I
want to go take photos of the stars. So he walks away, and
then I see him come back and he's like, hey, Brian, you
can come over there with me. It's dark and I'm scared. So we
both kind of laughed. So we walk over. He's in the back of
his car that light on. I have my elbow in his car and I'm
just talking to him. And mine's on the right side meet my car,
and then I hear and just feel this thing. It just stands up right
in front of my car, and I look over and I see this giant
figure. I see the moon shining off his shoulder and his neck, and
it was just a giant sasquatch just standing right next to me. I could
have took one step and touched him, and he just casually walked away from
my car and walked towards the trees and no rush or anything. So I
yell at my friend. I'm like, hey, crew, there's a giant
man out here. And then he's like, I hear it. So he
gets out and has his phone light on him, and the thing walked behind
another tree and we're just standing there and I have my arms on his shoulders
trying to see through his light, and we see his eyes. They were
like bluish crystal and they're about a little over seven feet, just peeking around
the tree, not moving at all, and we're staring at him for about
five seconds, and I was like, hello, friend, I said that
twice twice, and he didn't move or do anything. So then after a
little bit, I was like, okay, let's trump a light and let
him go, And as soon as he turned the light off, it pushed
away from the tree and walked into the thicker stuff and left. He got
his camera out after that and took photos of the tree lines, and he
didn't catch anything though, it probably just left. Is that the same one
where you were like ten feet from it? Yeah, it was right next
to me because I was right next to my car, and it was probably
just watching us around the fire, and we unexpectedly just walked right up to
it, so then it was kind of stuck there and then just got up
and walked off. That was around the same time frame where you had that
sleeping incident, you know. Yeah, that it was probably about a year
before that one I was sleeping there. It was around the same time as
I think it was the time after. It was a time after I heard
the owls where there was four of them, and on my back again around
the same time, and it was around three o'clock and it was really dark
outside, and I have a little the little half shed has this little pole
down thing and it's like you can see through it, and I'm laying there
and I hear something walking up to me. And I'm kind of frozen,
and it sounds like it's on two feet and it walks right up to me,
and it sounds like it's bending over, and it's just I hear it's
breathing, and it's real heavy breathing. It's there for about three to four
seconds, just staring right at me, and there was no way I was
gonna pull my blanket off. I just acted like I was sleeping. I
was scared, and then it just walked off. And the next morning I
look for Prince, but the ground was so hard. But that one was
pretty scary, and I don't know what it was for sure, but it
definitely wasn't a coyote or a deer, and it walked up and I heard
it breathing really deep. Yeah, I'd say, with no bears in the
area to speak of, then like, what else do you have? Really?
After that, I stopped sleeping in that half shed. That was enough
for me. How often do you get out there? It was every weekend
for years, but lately it's gotten a car accident earlier this year, so
this year's given kind of slow. I've only been up there about five times,
but it was me and my buddy crew going up there for about three
years, I felt like we're up there every weekend. Most of the time
it was just us two, so I spent a lot of a lot of
nights out there, just just next to the fire pit. What time of
year is more active than the other or like certain times the night or I
don't seem to notice a difference, even the hottest days they've been there,
So I haven't really noticed a difference. What percentage of nights would you say
that you notice activity. It would be about one every four for a while,
but recently, this last this last year, I don't think. I
think I've only had one little one, but I don't know. My friends
been bringing his big old dog up there recently, so I think maybe that
has something to do with it. But you haven't had them recently recently,
But it was like one out of every four or five nights. It was
almost automatic for a little bit. It seemed like once a month. Yeah,
it was something little or something. Sometimes they wanted our attention or sometimes
they didn't. One night it was me, crew and my other buddy.
It was just three of us that night, and there was nothing going on.
We're just sitting around the fire quietly, and then on the tree line
where they passed through, we just all of a sudden hear this tree being
aggressively shooken and I look over and this tree is just shaking really bad.
So some nights we want to like really get into it, and some nights
were just like, oh whatever. But that night we just all got up.
I had my phone on me, so I pull record out with the
flashlight and we run straight into the trees and we hear two of them walking
like they're walking off kind of fast, and they're big and heavy, and
my friend's yelling, yelling the whole time about how big they are. And
we walk in there and then it just got dead silent, and we froze,
and we're in the pitch black. We can't my phone light does nothing
out there, and so I'm just kind of filming around the area and there's
no noise or anything. All of a sudden, it takes off and we
hear it, so then we run deeper into it and then it stops again.
So we're just standing there filming, and I didn't know it until the
next day after I watched my video. I have it on Instagram. So
we're like as I looked at in the morning when I was filming, about
ten feet in front of us, there was these eyes that blinked at us
where just they were really low to the ground, and these were big and
yellow and wide apart. And then as I filmed towards the dock area,
there was another one standing up behind a tree and it blinked too. It's
like it had its eyes closed so we wouldn't see it, and they just
blinked to see where we were, and we didn't know where they were at
the time, So then we walked over to the dock where that one was
standing and they didn't move at all. So we stood there on the dock
for about five minutes, not knowing there was one just right behind this big
tree the whole time. And then we walked back to the fire a little
bit later, and they never made a noise after that. But I didn't
realize that they were just right in front of us one night until I watched
the video. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Speaking of noises, you said you've
heard some weird like calls, and then then speaking and all that sort of
stuff. Have you ever heard any of those long sort of Ohio or do
they just not do that there? They don't really do that there. I
hear a lot of the cows, the mimicking of the cows and goats that
was popular for a while. Like one time I was playing catch with my
friend with the football and it was dark and the driveway cuts goes down on
the bank side, so we're right there, and out of nowhere a cow,
a full grown cow, is moaning twenty feet away from us on the
driveway and we can't see. It's too thick and dark, and it's just
right on our driveway. And the morning I go down, there's no prints,
there's no cow. I started to notice it after that, And then
one time me and my buddy are on the fire and from the top part,
we all of a sudden hear a cow. It is like ma,
So I get up and do one back, and then it does it again
me and it go back and forth a few times as it's getting closer to
us, and then it must have got close enough to realize I was a
human. And then it went more into this like squird screaming, and then
it just got quiet and left. Well that sounds soothing. Yeah, how
foul? Did you hear him vocalized before they got to your property? You
know, like would you hear like one hundred yards out or a quarter mile
hour? Sometimes they're just right there at nighttime, sometimes like that one on
the driveway, he was twenty feet he was just right there, a full
full cow, like right there. And then one time I woke up and
we have a big trampoline up there now, and I got up off the
trampoline like seven o'clock and my other buddies are still sleeping. As soon as
I put my toe on the ground, we have this old trailer that shoved
into the trees and it's probably about seventy five yards away from us. As
soon as my foot hit the ground, I hear a goat and I was
like ah, And I look over at my friend and she's laying down.
She's like, there's a goat. And I run over there, thinking there
was a goat there, And as soon as I got there, it's just
dead silent and all I hear is the bees. And that's when I fully
realized it was like, all right, they're just messing with us or maybe
one made that noise to let the other ones know I'm up because they're just
hanging around. I got those recordings when he was there, the cow recordings.
Yeah, So Eli asked if I do a wood knock, So I
did one, and about ten seconds later, right after I got done,
tell them about the cows. We had a cow go off that's probably one
hundred and fifty yards and it was on the abandoned property. We went over
there and looked afterwards, and it was a full cow. It just immediately
replied, But there were no there was no cow when you were no,
there's no Yeah, there's no cows up there. Yeah, you look on
you look on the satellite cliff. There's there's no cows up there. Now,
now you mentioned bees very quickly, so you have you have bee hives.
We have the sun bees, the yellow ones. Do they make honey?
No? They bite you and they go into your SODA's but oh oh,
like like yellow jackets. Yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha? All
right? So what what about other sounds like knocks? Do you ever get
those? Yeah? I get knocks all the time on the abandoned property.
I think they really liked that area because I'll get the knox all the time.
They never reply with a knock back to me, but I get knocks
all the time. I hear him. Sometimes they're deeper in others there's just
one, just one knock at a time. Yeah, Okay. What's on
that abandoned property? Some guy bought it and made a vineyard a long time
ago, probably fifteen years ago, but he failed and then sold it and
it went through some owners. No one's done anything with it, and now
I think a guy in the military has it, but he's never up there
and he hasn't touched it. Are there grapes grape vines there? Yeah,
but they're all rotted out that it gets no water or anything. No one
does another of them produce grapes that are something. No. Yeah, no
one's up there doing anything. What do you think they're on your property?
I mean, it's it just a passage, a pathway from one spot they're
going in there. Sometimes I'm thinking that, and sometimes I think they just
hang out over there. They hang out. They I've noticed in the mornings,
like I just sometimes I feel like they're in the brush watching me until
I get up, and it's just they like to be close. I don't
know. They've never been threatened by them, but I've been scared. Well,
you mentioned a chicken coop earlier too, maybe, Yeah, that was
when I was a kid. We had that and then we end up burning
it. Okay, gotcha, gotcha? Hopefully no chickens. Yeah. So
one time it was just me up there by myself, and I was waiting
for my friend he was running late, and it got dark and I'm chopping
wood and right before it got dark, I want to go pick up trash
with one of those little arm things. I'm just walking around with the bag
picking up the trash at the wind blew, and I'm on the tree line
next to the fence where the abandoned property is, and then I hear this
like weird, like like metal noise, like someone has a sheet of metal
and he's like bending it and it's doing the wall wall wall like that kind
of a noise. And it's just right up in there, and I'm trying
to look and there's no one up there, and so I went and did
a wood knock and then nothing. I forget about it, and then it
gets dark and I'm getting the fire going, and then I hear a crack
coming like on the other side of the tree line, and I hear crack,
so I kind of just look up and I'm looking through the fire and
I see these eyes just staring at me and they're standing up and it's not
even behind a tree or anything. It's just standing there. So I'm looking
at it for a bit and I'm like, is that real? Well,
and then I, for some reason, I pointed at it and I was
like, I see you, just to see what would happen. And then
the eyes just smoothly went straight to the ground. It was like it came
like a foot off the ground just smoothly went down. And then I was
like, Okay, that's real, and I got real scared. I was
by myself and it was my car was halfway to it, so I couldn't
just go and sit in my car. And I never had an encounter that
close, and I totally believe it was one, but I never had to
encounter that close when I was by myself. And then I called my brother.
I was sitting around the fire, called my brother, and my brother
answers and I was like, Vinnie, I'm staring at one right now.
I don't know what to do. I'm kind of scared. And then he
was over there arguing with my dad and he's like, hang on a second,
Brian's and Brian's scared. So then as I was talking to him,
my friend drove up the driveway and then I looked over and it was gone.
It ran off. But that was pretty creepy, just the way it
moved. Yeah, what was it about the way it moved. It just
smoothly went to the ground, and it went really low to the ground after
standing up after it was and feet up, and it's the eyes just yeah,
they didn't move much, it just lowered. You've described several colors of
eyes shine so far. Yeah. Yeah, I think it matters what light's
hitting it. Yeah, what kind of bulb or whatever. Yeah, or
ambient light perhaps, Yeah. Yeah, I've thought something very similar for a
long time. So that's what I wanted to follow up. One of the
sea So, have you ever found any animal kills or other foraging signs of
things that they might be going after on or near your property? Not really?
Oh no, One time I'll walk over by the dam and I see
deer prints coming up and then it looks like a big foot came sliding down
the hill, and you see there were the foot slid and it stopped right
in front of the deer, and it really looked like the bigfoot ran in
front of the deer and then you could see some movement happen. But I
haven't seen any dead animals or anything like that. One time I put out
a thing of twelve eggs next to the fire and we went on a five
minute walk, and I came back and all the eggs were I left it
out for whatever wanted it. It was on the ground. When I came
back, all the eggs were gone and there was no broken shells or anything.
So they took that from you. Have you ever had anything else stolen,
or have you ever tried giving them anything else besides me? One time
I had this little I have this little blue so I've seen on videos that
they like blue stuff for some reason. I don't know if it's true or
not. But I had this little blue table I put deep into the trees
where they walked through. And I tried a few things, and one time
I had this black turmaline rock. His turmaline's real popular up there, and
I found this big one and I put it there and about two weeks later
I came back up and checked and it was gone. And I got on
the ground and dug through the dirt and I couldn't find it. I don't
know if it's rat knocked it in a rolled, but I couldn't find it.
That was about it. I'm afraid. I don't know what kind of
rock that is? What is just a black turmaline. It's like it looks
like a crystal or something like that. Okay, and is it you said
it's black or is it blue? Or yeah, it's black's real, it's
real popular. Yeah, the table is blue. So you left that out
for it, And so you haven't got anything back or anything? No,
nothing like that. Have you ever found anything possibly left for you or something
appearing inexplicably? No, that's why I was trying to use that table for
it. But no, not really. Have you ever felt in danger while
you're there? No, just creeped out like that one time I was staring
at it by myself. That was when it walked up and was breathing.
Those two times, I just was really scary. Kind of takes the fun
out of it. Did you notice there was like with four people up there?
Or five or two or one. Sometimes we had like ten people up
there, and I've heard some weird noises. One time, for sure,
we have this old storage container of my friends holding their stuff in and it's
about one hundred and fifty yards away, and there was like ten of us
being really loud next to the fire, and it did one of its screams
and we all stopped and I was just like, okay, there's one right
there. And there was at least ten of us. But usually the best
things happened when it's just me and my buddy crew. I feel like they
can get comfortable walk up close. How often do you guys leave something up
for them they're like a tree or a gift. Like I used to do
it all the time, but now I don't really I kind of just gave
up on it. Does it matter if you have a fire going, if
you notice like there's certain things that entice them in or I think the fire.
I think they like the fire because maybe they realize we can't see anything
beyond that because their eyes. I can't see anything when I walk away.
You said, most of the stuff happens when there's two of you. How
often do you go there alone. I don't do that all anymore. A
couple of times I've driven up there in my car, but I don't I
had a car that had a bed in the back and I used to just
knock it out of the car and then drive home in the morning. But
I don't have that car anymore. So that was about the only time one
out there alone. But I get too creeped out now. I just feel
like one could be just fifteen feet away just staring at me behind a tree.
It's just it's too creepy. Okay, So you just don't do that.
Have you ever done that? Yeah? Maybe in the past. I've
probably done it a few times and did things happen? Not when I was
The only time that happened was when I had that stare down with it behind
the fire. Yeah, and I guess that's enough to keep you awake.
Yeah, that was enough. A couple of things might have happened. I
didn't notice, but nothing that I like, No story out of it or
anything. You mentioned a creek. Does that creak run through the property?
It gets a pond. The pond's usually empty unless it's winter, but it's
the overflow for the pond, and then the water from the rain runs in
there, so it can get going sometimes, but most of the ear is
dry. Yeah, mostly it's dry. I put a trap camera back there
for a while, but all I got was a coyote and like a hawk
picking up a mouse. And I got a few sticks throwing past. I
don't know if it was they look too big just to have the wind throwing,
but I don't know for sure if it was them throwing sticks at it.
How far away is the nearest reliable water source. I think a couple
properties have some big ponds. I don't have to look on Google, but
it's it's probably not far and they could probably get to the bottom of the
lake and probably thirty minutes if they walk. And I noticed there was a
calf watering hole right on the other side of the road. You don't have
to go to the lake. It's a cow watering hole, water flowing constantly.
And I stopped over there one time, and the road's pretty thick with
trees, and I saw a big tree that was snapped and it was pointing
right at the watering hole. So I think maybe they're going to that watering
hole. If anything, have you got a good look at one of these
things, because you did mention the when that one was very very close to
you how you saw it walk away. But is that the best look you've
had. I'm pretty sure I got a look at one's feet. One time.
I woke up and we had the bathroom on the upper part of the
property, so it was like six thirty. I was all groggy and kind
of out of it walking up and I was the only one up and I
hear this little crack to the right of me, and it was in that
little little pocket where I had the rocks thrown that one time. And I
look over without thinking, and I see these like it looked like legs because
it was too tall to be a coyote. And I just see these legs
and immediately just walked away and went into the trees. And then I yelled
at my friend, and he looked over at me and could tell that I
saw something down there, so he ran over and just passed me up and
went straight into the trees, and I chased him in there and it was
gone. But then there was a pigeon sitting there where I saw it,
and it looked like it was just picked apart, like he was just sitting
there all morning picking this pigeon apart. And then when I got up,
you must have not noticed I was up, And then I'm pretty sure I
saw one, and it was more of a gray color. Did it pick
the feathers out and like pil them? Yeah, it was just the feathers
were all over in a circle, and then it looked like it was picking
the meat out of there or something like spread out like like like intentionally in
a circle or Yeah, it just didn't look like a coyote or something ripped
it apart. It looked different. But that was about the only time I
saw one in daylight, and I'm pretty sure it was his feet because it
was a coyote is not that tall, and this had a bigger mass to
it, and the way it moved it looked like legs walking out. I
didn't get the longest look at it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. You said
you're thirty eight years old, right, so this property has been active for
at least twenty years. Yeah, at least. Do you feel it's the
same ones or I mean, there's no way to really know that or anything,
but I believe so. Maybe I think maybe it was a couple of
teenagers and the parents or something, and maybe the teenagers are older now.
I don't know, but there seem to be a lot more. Maybe I
haven't given it a good of enough try lately this last year because I've been
after my car accident. It's been trying to get everything back together, and
I haven't been up there like I was. But it doesn't seem like the
same. But they are there because I can hear them. What are the
plans for the property? Like, now, what you know? Once you
recover fully from your accident. My friend's been starting to pay for it,
and he's like my best friend. So it's just empty and the road going
up to the property has a good longboarding road, so they have races and
everything up there, and he's really into that. So groups of long boarders
have been going up there lately. Is that a skateboard thing? Yeah?
Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know. Its treat me. Treat
me like I don't know anything, because it's probably close to the truth.
Yeah, So mainly it's just me and him, but sometimes he'll have groups
of long borders and then they'll they'll go out in the morning. Are they
aware of it, Yeah, a couple of them are. I've had a
couple of friends. One time we scared the kid so bad. Well,
there was just three of us, me and Crew and some kid that never
really up there, and me and Crew heard a noise. It was really
weird noise, and we run into the trees and he was he had to
follow us because he was too scared to stay back, and me and Crew
are really into trying to find this noise and it keeps moving from us.
And then I look over at him and he's like, guys, I can't
handle this. He was scared to death. He didn't know what to do
with him. So so it happens in the face of those things were so
freaking intimidating. You're just like, yeah, but sometimes, like me and
Crew will just sometimes we're just like, we don't care about it. Mike.
We heard the pigeons again, and there was a couple of them,
and then we're just sitting around the fire talking and then about a couple of
minutes later, we hear them walking through that pathway and they're so loud,
and we just looked at each other and be like, oh, there they
are. We just didn't have the energy to deal with it that night.
It's strange that you hear them move around so much, because, I mean,
so many times they can just come in the ninja mode and not be
heard at all. It seems sometimes they do, sometimes they do, and
sometimes they just don't seem to care. Do you ever actually hear them climbing
that fence. I've heard the fence move a few times. Not that one
down there. I can't hear that one very well, but I've had the
other one move randomly a few times. The chain link. Yeah, you
just feel like it sounds like like, I mean, we all have heard
people climb over a chain link fence, you know. Yeah, I definitely
heard a rocket at one time, but I haven't heard it doesn't sound like
someone's climbing it. So when you typically go to the property, do you
have a routine, I mean, like looking at your behaviors, Do you
do the same thing most of the time or what? What what would you
do if you went out there, say, tonight, I have this tree
right next to the fire pit, and I have the stick and now I
just hit the sticks together. But usually I'd go up there and just one
or two good hits, like a couple of minutes apart, and then I
just do my own thing, and sometimes I'll have music on, sometimes I
won't. Sometimes I ignore them just to let them kind of get nosy.
It's kind of ignore him most of the time, and then they'll let me
know when they want attention, and you really feel they want attention or yeah,
sometimes sometimes they do. For sure. There's the way they mimic those
that pigeon and it's just there, or maybe they're trying to talk to each
other as they're going by me and think I don't notice. But sometimes I
feel like they really want my attention. Yeah, because that's something that occurred
to me when you were speaking, is that if you can completely ignore them,
maybe they think that, well, this guy's an idiot and he doesn't
know what you'ven't even here. We don't have to worry about him so much,
and we just they go about their business, and maybe that's why they're
not slinking around being all quiet. Yeah, well he used to call back
to him and stuff. I think I think they know that he's aware of
what you think I would think, So I think they are comfortable because if
it's a if, I just don't see them traveling that far. It feels
like they're just always there. So it's got to be just they're just hanging
out. They know the area really well, and they get bored at nights
sometimes or sometimes they got to they gotta do something, They gotta get water.
Who knows. There seems to be plenty around to eat. What would
you eat if you were if you had like lightning fast reflexes, could runs
fast as a deer and had no taste in good cuisine. There's a lot
of rabbits, a lot of birds. You can knock a tree, a
bird out of a tree pretty easily, a lot of pigeons, reptiles,
yeah, deer if you could hunt one and a deer would be pretty easy.
So there's plenty of those sort of animals. And I know you mentioned
a lot of abandoned properties nearby and a couple that are perhaps occupied. Would
there be enough, say, crops of any sort to help you out with
that? I don't know. I don't travel much besides my property. The
vineyard might have some grapes growing during the winter. I haven't gotten a close
look. I'll take a look next time. But other than that, it's
pretty dead desert. Besides the brush in the trees, it's pretty dead up
there. Yeah. Well, you know, deserts have a huge variety of
food around. Yeah. I don't know much about that, but I do
know that there's a tremendous amount of food available, especially in the zones between
the forests and the desert, like those transition zones. And it sounds like
that canyon, whatever that canyon is, has a lot of water running water
through it. Yeah, it gets pretty big. It has a pretty big
waterfall. When we hiked down there is I'd made this jump across this little
gap, and I'll never do anything like that again. It was so scary,
so if I would have fell, it was far enough to die.
So then we got stuck so we couldn't get back up. So then we
had to cut through people's property, going straight up the bank, and it
took us like two hours to get out of there. We were exhausted by
the time we got out, and we're like, all right, never again.
Yeah, And of course the tweakers are the sentinels down there too.
Yeah, it's scary. We went through the one property where we had our
heads down, and it was scary. Plans for the property. I know
what you mentioned it earlier, but your friend's been going up there. You're
going to build a house on it, or if we do, it's like
com probably is gonna build a little shed eventually. He's probably doing the same
thing for now, but there's no plan to build a big house. There's
a well that just I bought the pump and the solar panels for the well
a couple of years ago, but now we just need the piping and the
like the wires to go down to the bottom. It's like it's like four
hundred feet or something. That's pretty expensive there. Yeah, so we just
had a pause at that, but we want to have it going so because
when I lived up there with the kid, we had the pond filled all
year long. Other than that, there's no real plans for it. Cool,
so you're just going to keep on doing what you're doing. Yeah for
now, Yeah, I'm enjoying it. I want to get since I stop
using my shed. My friend built it into a bigger house for him,
and right now I don't have anything to sleep inside my car or a tent,
so I just need to build something to make it more enjoyable out there.
Is there snow right now? No, it snows about every two years
and it only lasts for about a week. Okay, but it gets pretty
darn cold anyway though. Oh yeah, it's it's freezing sometimes for anywhere,
let alone southern California. Yeah, you get a good freeze out there.
Brian has actually had a couple of bigfoot celebrities and then a real Hollywood celebrity
come down and actually do an investigation there. Can you talk about that?
Oh yeah, I had Matt Moneymaker up there one night and he brought up
Johnny Bananas from MTV. We did a whole thing up there one night,
and then another night he came up and brought Rob Low. That night was
interesting. Rob Low took a walk up to the top and we heard this
mountain lion screaming down on the bottom of the road and then you just hear
him coming running full speed down up from the top. It was funny.
What was your impression on television and how it's made you know? It was
good? It was I think it would scare the bigfoots away up there,
but it was good. Too many lights and people, yeah, too much
going on and they might get interested in it. I don't know when.
When Matt was up there with the guy from MTV, they were doing their
thing, and there was a mountain line up there that day because Matt saw
it in his thermal, so I, instead of waiting by the fire I
walked over to him, and like the producer lady was there and their car
was down by the fire pit, and all of us were up there,
and and then out of nowhere, like we were on the backside as there
were filming, and her car door opened and slammed, and then we all
looked at it. Matt didn't hear it because he was busy, but her
car door opened and slammed pretty good. And then we all looked at each
other, being like all right, And I was like, all right,
one's down there messing with us right now. But that was about all we
had happened that night. Was Rob Love was was he impressively he heard there's
just that that mountain line. That was it. There's no big foot action,
he said when he was up there, I don't even know if that
was a mountain lie. So it was so weird and we're all there,
but he said when he was up there. He said, it sounded like
someone picked up a big log and down in the trees. So he was
already like listening to that and kind of creeped out on that, and then
the mountain lion voice started going off on the sound. It was just screaming,
like really loud, and it took me a second to realize what it
was. But if it was that, but he definitely came running down.
It was pretty funny. So did you make any screen time? Did you
get screen time on that Rob Low thing? No, they didn't film on
that night. He was just up there with the sun. But I was
on the I don't know what network it was on. It was after Halloween
and I had about a minute and a half on there, maybe a minute
just on like the intro. All right, Brian, Well, thank you
very much for coming on the show and sharing with us. I mean,
I think it's fascinating, not only the extended activity that you've been privy to,
but also the fact that it's in southern California. You know, with
what sixteen million people living next story, you wouldn't think the Sasquatches around,
but sure enough they are, which is a testament to a couple of things.
Number one, about number one of sasquatches. Number two, the wild
land that are adjacent to one of the largest cities in the entire world,
and how wild they still are. I think it's fascinating, super interesting.
Yeah, about an hour and a half from San Diego. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, Well, thank you very much man for coming on. It's
super fascinating. I'm going to go check out that documentary. I don't spend
a lot of time looking at TV, let alone Bigfoot TV. But now
that I've met you, I have a reason too, so I'll go check
that out. They did a really good job of capturing it. You can
see everything he's talking about and it all makes sense. Okay, So I
guess that's heads up for all all listeners. Go check out that stuff by
Eli Watson and Brian was the name of the documentary, please Bigfoot at the
Border, Bigfoot at the Portum writing that down right now, I'm sure most
of our reader our listeners are as well. Yeah, but I'm going down.
I'm going to go. When I get back down, I'm going to
go down and see him, and I think I'm gonna get some I got
some of our good terms I'm gonna be able to borrow like real good ones
and go down and hopefully do another or two with Brian and his property here
coming up pretty soon. Yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah, well cool,
Brian. I'll check you out then. Thanks so much, man,
We appreciate you coming on. Yeah, thank you guys. All right,
Bobo, and that was a fun one. Thank you very much for lighting
that lining up that guest, I really appreciate it, and again for all
the reasons that I previously mentioned. And you know, I mean, it's
so funny. I move, you know, I move all the way up
to Oregon, you know, to be near bigfoots and it turns out there
in my backyard when I was in Long Beach. Yeah, okay, well
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support, thanks to Brian down there in San Diego. And until next week,
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