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Welcome back truth seekers from around the
world. It's time for another edition of

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the Flat Earth Files. As you
can see, we have a very special

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guest. Well, if you're listening
to the podcast, I guess you can't

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see, but we have a very
special guest. His name is Pastor Dean

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Odle. He's a Pentecostal minister who
has preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ across

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the United States, Africa, Israel
and other parts of the world. He's

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seen many people saved, miraculously healed
and delivered from demons through the power of

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Jesus Christ. And he's also authored
Grace Abuse, one of the greatest hindrances

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to genuine revival, in nineteen ninety
eight. He is also It's like Clay

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under the Seal, which for you
watching on video you can see right here

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and you can find that on DNO
dot org. In the recent years,

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the Lord has led Dean to focus
on end times Bible prophecy and exposing the

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Satanic deception of these last days.
He and his wife Pastor fire in Grace

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Church in Auburn, Alabama, and
again you can find all his work on

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Dean Odel dot Org. Ladies and
gentlemen, help me welcome Pastor Dean Odldan.

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Thank you so much for taking the
time to join us today. Absolutely,

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thank you for having me. Brother. Yeah, so let's kick it

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off, and if you would give
an introduction to the folks, let him

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know a little bit about yourself in
your background. Yeah, we've been in

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the ministry now, for goodness,
we're going on thirty seven years here.

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Been preaching since I was nineteen years
old, studying the Bible since I was

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you know, really heavy, since
I was nineteen and then, uh,

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you know, did different things.
Started a church in Montgomery, Alabama nineteen

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ninety five, that until two thousand
and two, multiple trips in Nigeria,

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the island of mauritiuss Middle East to
preach. And there's another book I authored

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in twenty eleven and twelve, authored
a book called the Polluted Church From Rome

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to Kansas, City. And then
also a book called The Holy Spirit Tongues

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of Fire. That one we we
we've had for a long time. We

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just had a free PDF, but
we recently put it in print as well.

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But just been writing books. And
we started a church here in two

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thousand and nine called Fire Grace Church
in my hometown. I have to explain

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to people ople like in Auburn.
Everybody's heard of Auburn University, so it

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wells and I'm big Alburn fan,
but we opal like a Alabama and Alburn,

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Alabama. They're like twin city right
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you drive from one year in the
other and so we just call it the

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open like Auburn area. So the
church was initially in Auburn, but now

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we're in opal Like. So uh
but you know that's kind of splitting hairs.

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Were just letting people know, you
know, we got we have visitors

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from all over the world that come
and visit us here in Opelikans and you

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know, just trying to follow Jesus
and do what he tells me to do.

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That's what we do. That's amazing. Now, before we get into

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biblical cosmology, I have to ask
the polluted church from Rome to Kansas City.

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I think most people get the Rome
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is because that happens to be the
home of the group called Eyehop. And

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it's not about the pancakes. It's
the International House of Prayers started by Mike

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Bickle. And the reason I use
him is because I show how the contemplative

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occult mysticism that crept into the Catholic
Church very early on from the Desert Fathers,

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going back around two fifty BC AD, I mean in that time period,

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and then as the Roman Catholic Church
started in three thirteen that counterfeit mysticism

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that they try to put Christian terms
on, but it's really satanic and it's

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dema. It has to do with
visualization techniques and mantra type prayers. And

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I just show in the book how
that that started back then, and even

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I can show some of the stuff
from the Old Testament, some of the

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old cults there, but how that
it crept into what's called Christianity. And

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then how many evangelical and not just
charismatic churches or Pentecostal churches, of many

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Baptist, Methodist Presbyterian churches have been
swept into this and lured into this deception

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through a thing called because what they
put they put the term contemplative prayer on

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it. But Jesus said, you
don't use vain repetitions as the healing do.

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And a lot of this is based
on using repetitions like saying Jesus or

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phrases over and over again. We're
talking about thousands of times in an hour,

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you know, just saying it over
and over again. And these are

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the same type techniques used in witchcraft
and Satanism, in Islamic Sufiism, in

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Kabbalah. Uh, you know,
it's Buddhism, Induism. It's that mantra

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type repetitive prayer. And she said, don't do it, and so what

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that that opens the door to demonic
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I took it that to go this. You know, this goes way back

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to the early Roman Catholic Church all
the way to our current Some of our

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big, well known current ministries have
adopted this stuff. And I've seen it

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calls great, great harm to christians
lives to get into that. Whenever we

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disobey as a Christian, whenever we
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Clearly we're getting into trouble, yeah, for sure. And people like

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Mike Bickle, who you know,
I'm just looking at us by real quick.

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I guess he held a conference back
in twenty ten where you had twenty

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five thousand young adults. So it
means do you think he actually is understanding

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what he's doing or do you think
he's unintentionally leading these people down the wrong

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traill? That one's hard, that's
hard to say because well, another one

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of my problems is that when any
Protestant church be against to try to link

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itself back up with the Roman Catholic
Church, that's a problem. That is

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a big red flag right there.
And so he's been really big about trying

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to reunite Protestant Christianity with Roman Catholicism, having joint conferences with Roman Catholics,

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pushing Roman Catholic books in to his
students of his ministry school. That's my

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big problem there. When you start
pushing Roman Catholicism is a system of idolatry.

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It's that plaint. I mean,
when you bow to statues and you

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kiss the feet off of statues,
when you pray to Mary. When you

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call Mary a co redeemer and the
co media mediator with Jesus, and you

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call her having been born without sin
and all this other nonsense, you really

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have a system of idolatry. And
idolatry is a sin of the death.

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Meaning if you habitually practice idolatry,
according to Phesians five, and if you

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habitually practice idolatry, then the Bible
says that you will not inherit the Kingdom

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of God, you won't go to
it. Idolatry is a serious sin,

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and so it has to be confessed
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see people praying to marry and bound
down the statues and uh there that you

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can't have another that's if you want
the definition of idolatry. That's it,

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Yeah, right there. And so
whenever I see a church any whenever,

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I don't care if it's Mike Bickle
or anybody, start trying to cozy up

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to the Roman Catholic Church, I'm
like, you're going down the raw road,

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brothers sister. Now, I don't
know if he if he's doing it

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on purpose, or if he's just
deceived himself, but I hope he stops,

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but to take truth. I wrote
the book in two thousand, well,

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I wrote it during two thousand and
eleven, published it in two thousand

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and twelve, and as of today, they're still pushing Roman Catholic books.

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You know, at Roman Catholic mysticism, and it's just a mixture of you

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know, bad stuff that you know, you figure someone would like him,

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would certainly have a lot of college
under his belt, and you would think

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that somebody would understand where the word
Protestant comes from. It was all about

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protesting Catholicism, going back to Martin
Luther and of course what went back there

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in the fifteen hundreds and and to
see and listen, I saw it too.

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I was in a Methodist church where
they would say the Apostles creed.

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You're standing there in a Protestant church
saying I believe in the Holy Catholic Church,

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the Communion of Saints, and that
you can see, you know,

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they whether the individuals again like you
said, where it's intentional, but you

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can see there's a lot of entities
out there that are trying to bring this

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one world government and a one world
religion, right. Yeah. Well,

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and to there's what I call soft
Christians out there that they think their idea

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of you, of of love and
unity is ignoring sin and gross doctrinal error,

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you know, And that's not the
unity taught in the Bible. The

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unity taught Bible is when we agree
and have the same mind and the same

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purpose, and we agree on what
the Bible teaches and we stick to that.

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That's unity, compromising and accepting anything
and everything in calling that love and

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calling unity is a deception itself.
And so that's that's what some Christians fall

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for. Again. It's just they
have the right intention, but the wrong

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understanding and the wrong balance. Because
God does not tolerate false doctrine or gross

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unrepentant sin. He's going to deal
with that, you know. That's right.

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And I'm glad you mentioned that because
I remember in one of your Great

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Eschatology series, the Great End Time
Delusion, you I think you actually started

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out maybe it was part two when
you kind of went deep into Catholicism where

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you said that there's a lot of
good people within the ranks of the Catholic

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Church. And I think that's important
to understand to put out there. Yeah,

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and that's why Jesus says it I
believe that mystery Babylon the great in

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Revelation seventeen and eighteen, I believe
it's the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican,

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and the Jesuits and their hold on
the whole world. And in it

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specifically says too, a lot of
people say it's the United States and all

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this other stuff, But it says
her colors are scarlet and purple. That's

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the colors of the bishops and cardinals
of Rome. And it says that she

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is that great city that reigneth over
the kings of the earth. Well,

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that's a president tense Greek verb.
When John wrote that in eighteen ninety five,

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and that great city that was ruling
the world was the city of Rome.

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But he is very clear that the
Roman Catholic Church is that mystery Babylon

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and is deceiving the whole world.
And there can be no there can be

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no compromise with her. There can
be no you know, going down road

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with her. You have to.
And you know, jes said then in

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eighteen, in chapter eighteen, he
says to the people that are in there,

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the good people, he says,
come out of her, my people,

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you know. So I tell people
all the time that he wouldn't say

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that if none of his people were
in there. And I've met a lot

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of good, very devouts sincere Roman
Catholics that are serving Jesus the best they

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know how and and they mean good. And you know, the Roman Calolic

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Church itself does do good, like
when it comes to good you know,

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trying to help the poor and the
homeless, and their anti abortion. I

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mean, they've got some good things
that they say and do, and they

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get people, that's how they get
people involved. We're doing good things,

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and a lot of it is traditional
because families were just Roman Catholic. And

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then you know, it just continues
and then there's people, like said,

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there's people that find Jesus, they're
born again through faith in his death and

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resurrection. They find Jesus not because
of the Roman Catholic leadership and hierarchy.

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They actually find him in spite of
all that nonsense and try to serve the

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Lord. So but I do believe
the Lord wants them to come out of

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that organization because it is full of
occult mysticism and idolatry and demonic supernatural things.

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And of course the current Pope Francis
is the worst pope in modern time.

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Yeah, I mean I thought nobody
could beat John Fault the second.

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But this guy is a he's a
Jesuit, so I mean he is out

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there. He's saying everything from homosexuals
go to Heaven, to atheists go to

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Heaven, to you know, this
is basically basically he's even shocking a lot

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of Roman Catholics. He's so bad. He's the first Jesuit pope, right,

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yes, the first Jesuit pope.
And that wasn't by accident, no,

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absolutely not. And then going back
to mystery Babylon, it also mentions

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the Seven Hills, right, yes, the city on seven Hills, very

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very and it says she is drunk
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And there's not another entity institution on
the face of the earth that's killed

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more true Christians as then the Roman
Catholic Church. I mean, that's what

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the Pilgrims fled from the cup start, you know, a fresh start of

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getting away from that and having freedom. The Spanish Inquisition, I mean,

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you just talk about Rome killing millions
on millions on millions of Christians over those

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you know, centuries there, and
you know that's not America. That's not

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what America has known for. And
we've only been around for you know,

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not even three hundred years, and
they've been around for a long time.

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So it's it's to me, it's
clear. And even when you get over

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into eighteen, when it starts talking
about the economic uh things about my talk

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about that she's the biggest exporter of
wine, and guess what that's not the

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United States if you look at it, it's Italy and France. That's right.

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When you talk about fine hour Italy
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things, pearls, even Italy,
I mean, everything it lists there points

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you back to the Roman Catholic Church. That's interesting. And they've got they've

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got far more influence than most people
even realize. Yeah, they actually own

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half of Israel and they own land
like all over the world. Yes,

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yeah, and they have riches and
we're thirty three trillion dollars in dead.

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We're like a guy if we had
a credit score, it'd be like one

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eighty that they gave country's credit scores. Have you ever heard of pair in

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hoods? Not off? The tape
on my head doesn't bring up? Okay,

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you over to look her up she
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Bank or the IMF, one of
those. I can't remember which ones she

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worked for, but basically she was
doing an audit and she became a whistleblower.

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I can't believe she came out and
said what she did, but she

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said that pretty much like the United
States, we raise about two million dollars

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in taxes, I mean two trillion
in taxes every year on average. She

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says, it's sixty percent of that
goes to the Jesuits, to the Vatican,

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and forty percent of it go to
the illuminati families. Wow, And

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I said, what you know,
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we survive weird debt? And we
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become the drug card teal. Absolutely, So that's that's how the government of

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the United States funds itself pretty much
black operations and everything. But we're that's

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why we're trillions in debt because all
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about this, we say we take
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trillion. That's you shouldn't be breaking
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that's even close. Have you ever
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there once. I think we went
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thirty billion overnight. It's insane.
It's insane. Yeah, and you're

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right about the drugs. That's why
they're always pushing war. They got the

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poppies from Afghanistan. The same was
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about. And by the way,
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if you will, I do believe
that NASA is also a form of a

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slush fund for the powers that be, because remember when they have these military

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contracts, when they asked for those
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a regular bolt from lows and I
know it's got to be a bolt that

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will work in the ISS. It's
very special. It's a three hundred dollars

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bolt, right. Yeah. Remember
if a minute bends day, it's twenty

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thousand dollars hammer, a forty thousand
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I was in the military and I
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People would just they just really don't
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get into your awakening to flatter at
the Biblical cosmology. How you came upon

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that, Well, it was in
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the Holy Spirit spoke to me.
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and you know, I believe God
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you know, through the Bible primarily, but we can still hear him by

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the Spirit as well. And he
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He said, I have something else
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that's what he said. But I
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I've already taught on things that are
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with a gen food poll. So
I thought, wasn't the world else could

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it be? You know, I
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the alien deception. I talked about
deliverance for Christians. I mean, you

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talk about controversial and of course being
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the Holy Spirit are still for today. I mean I just catch all kinds

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of you know, Hell from every
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I had a friend of mine who
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by now. He had come to
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in him and mentoring him long distance
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to get out of there sure,
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him. And anyway, he would
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front time to time and then ask
questions. And so he sent me this

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question that I had no idea what
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does firmament earth ring a bell?
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about? You know, I have
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video and I thought, oh great, And I was really busy and I

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thought it was like a thirty minute
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even answer, Sam if I don't
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of what he means. So,
you know, I thought I knew what

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the firmam it was, but I
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Initially? He said nothing about flat
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this video on and it starts immediately, It starts that shift between NASA picture

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ISS nineteen ninety seven versus twenty fifteen. And I was like, oh,

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wait a minute, because they already
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was like, oh, it was
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like I felt him come over,
like I know exactly what this is away

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and so he got into the Nassa
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it showed it like about midway this
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our and I knew it was true. I knew it was true immediately instinctively

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by from the Lord. But then
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the Bible scriptures on it. So
then I'm pulling out my Bible, I'm

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pulling out my concordance. This isn't
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the Hebrew and Greek words and I'm
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all true. How have I been
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seen this? It was like it
was like being saved all over again,

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being born again all over Again's like
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I felt a big burden lift off
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big law, yeah, and this
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anybody would have walked up to me
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you don't believe all of God's word
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liar. I believe God's word in
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true. I believe it's God inspired
in Eric, the Holy Truth, the

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Holy Word of God. And I
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over God, and that really you
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having to repent. And and then
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weeks, just I couldn't hardly sleep. I was studying this, researching,

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books about it, and starting to
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course, back then that was the
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that were linked to other, you
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you got the recommendations that were correct
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a few other people that had had
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both you know, we got some
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atheists and unbelievers and some Christians were
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me was I knew NASA was lying
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all that came together, So for
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do I do? Because we had
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to ask where do you stand on
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said anything publicly, and I said, well, I want to address that,

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had already had built kind of a
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we had here, and the especially
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that a lot of people don't wouldn't
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weren't covering. And so I was
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Lord, should I Should I preach
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Do I go down this road or
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off from your word and make him
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this something you want me to pursue? And he spoke to me very clearly,

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and he said, have I ever
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my word? I said, no, sir, And so November, so

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within a month, I preached it
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publicly because I just wanted our church
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church. I mean, I said, I think I lost maybe one or

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two families over it, but but
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saw it. The Word of God's
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the journey began, I mean it
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a video that had the Bible does
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million views before YouTube took it down
so and terminated my YouTube channels, you

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know, in twenty twenty. So, but we had, you know,

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we had a lot of videos.
We still have some out there that's you

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know, fifty thousand, one hundred
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of course after that, I became
you know, we just had people tuning

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in and coming from from everywhere to
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asked to speak at the first Flatters
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and that was a whole interesting you
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doorway to walk through, and God
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to present and and it's just continued
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own conferences where we do Biblical cosmology
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started those Skyfall conferences in twenty eighteen, so we had them in twenty eighteen,

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twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. We
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two because I was running for governor
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a one day thing. But then
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back in June, and it was
amazing, and I did a whole Biblical

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cosmology one O one, but a
lot of stuff like stuff that I did

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that when viral was stuff like I
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I dug into the CIA for you
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two two hour presentations on just government
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non rotating flat earth, and that
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on I got the bicard, the
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my office, the Popular Science nineteen
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was flat disc with upturned edge.
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one to like kind of present that
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this just been wild is you know
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did a series in twenty twenty that's
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series called the Sevenfold Doctrine of Creation
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I wrote, of course, I
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Lay under the Zeal in twenty nineteen
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the place, and you know,
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this is not the only topic I

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focus on, right, but it
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with. Yeah, I'll tell you
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or realized when I started this podcast
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the fact Tunnard, it seemed to
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thought, well, I'll just do
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they realize is that there's a creator. And we've gotten so many emails from

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people who were either that had,
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God or had never been a Christian
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overwhelming experience to get, you know, messages like that where And that's why

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I'm really encouraged trying to hear people
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you have and the message you received
from God. But still as a man,

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I'm sure that out of all the
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stood in front of the church that
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cosmology presentation, you had to be
nervous, thinking, I've worked so hard

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to build this congregation, and I
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you felt, you'll like you had
to say it, but there had to

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be a little bit of nervousness about
presenting this and how that would be received

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from the congregation. Well, I
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when it first hit me, but
by the when I'm fully convinced that something

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is true, yeah, and it's
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well. That's that's like when I'm
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I'm going to stand with God's truth
no matter what men and women and

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whoever choose to do, because that's
just who we have to be. Because

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you know, there was a point
where Jesus, you know, John six,

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where he was talking some things that
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drinking his blood and eating his body. Of course he was talking about

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spiritually speaking, and they were freaking
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a hard saying. Who can bear
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from that time many of his disciples
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And you don't see Jesus chasing them
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and there is and that's what's wrong
to you the truth. That's what's

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wrong with American Christianity and Western Christianity
in general, is that we're too afraid

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of what people think. And oh, I'm afraid to preach the Word of

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God from Genesis to Revelation because we're
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I call it Nichols and noses.
People are going to walk out of the

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door with their money, and that
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and have a pastor or any kind
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be. I've got to keep the
crowd happy, so I keep the money,

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right. I mean, once you
do that, you might as well

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be Roman Catholic. Yeah, hanging
up, you know, you might as

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well start selling indulgences because that's what
you're doing. And so I've always believed

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we're supposed to preach the word of
God straightforward. You know, like Paul

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said to the Ephesians in Acts twenty, he said, I gave you the

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whole counsel of God's word. I
held nothing back. I gave you everything.

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And and so you walk away from
that going I can stand before God

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and not worry about blood being on
my hands and being told that I didn't

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tell the truth and therefore I caused
others to stumble and end up in hell

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forever. I'm not going to stand
before for anybody about that, you know

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that. Like I've told our church
many times, I said, y'all can

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lead. That's fine. I'll retire. I don't care. I think I'm

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like, I'm not in this for
the money. It's not a you know,

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I'm not. When I came here
fourteen years ago to start five,

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I said, I'm not. I'm
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I'm here to tell the truth.
And so I said, our church will

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never be big, and it's not. I mean, we got about eighteen

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00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.880
people in our church, and you
know, I mean we got a bigger

407
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.519
online falls. I mean, we
got what we call our extended church out

408
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.920
there that we wish they could be
here, but they just have to watch.

409
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:40.559
But I'm not going to compromise God's
word. Period. That's fantastic.

410
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.119
I wanted to mention going back to
the conference, you actually you had spoken

411
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.319
before you had a chance to meet
Rob Ski, But what were your thoughts

412
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.599
on Rob? Well, you know, Rob and I we talked on the

413
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:57.920
phone before I went to Raleigh in
twenty seventeen, and the confortation. You

414
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:03.920
know, I love Rob and I
loved that he took a stand for biblical

415
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:11.039
cosmology. Yeah, he and I
probably would have been great friends and had

416
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.400
to work been able to work together
a lot more if he hadn't gone down

417
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.480
the Hebrew Roots tour road where he
was where he got to the point,

418
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.759
you've been saving and if you eat
baking you're going to hell. I mean,

419
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:27.000
I have that video clip. So
he and I budded heaads on what

420
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.119
is new Jessie mc christianity. Do
we have to go back and keep the

421
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:37.599
old covenant laws and sabbaths and feasts
and wears zat ze eats and not eat

422
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.079
pork? And you know, do
we have to go back and do all

423
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:42.880
that? Or do we do we
walk in a new covenant that is a

424
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:47.839
bit different than the old Covenant and
you know, quite a bit different in

425
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:52.640
fact. But so we we we
had that battle, but I still loved

426
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.799
I loved Rob, and I think
Rob loved me. I mean, even

427
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:57.799
though we budded heads hard on that
and when we went, I mean,

428
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:03.200
there's a funny picture I'm where when
and Raleigh where you know, we got

429
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.880
our arms around each other and Rob
commented underneeds and said this is how law

430
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.200
and grace should be at work together. But he acted like I was some

431
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.799
big grace preacher. But I actually
my first book was Grace Abuse, about

432
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.640
not abusing God's grace and living a
life of disobedience and indulgence of sin.

433
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.680
So I don't know that. That
was disheartening to me. You know,

434
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:33.200
I wish we had several phone calls
after Raleigh and that were yelling back and

435
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.359
forth at each other and you know, trying to get him the city that

436
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:42.000
you know, you can't make that
those requirements on people. I kind of

437
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:48.000
like Peter and Paul and Galicia,
you know, button heads over it.

438
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.480
Uh, you know, Paul telling
Peter you don't you gotta stop trying to

439
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.720
make the Gentiles live as the Jews, and then he told Peter a Jew,

440
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.279
you don't even live like a Jew, and you know, and Paul

441
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:06.079
rebuked him heavily. So we had
our head budding thing, and you know,

442
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:07.839
he and I were sick, actually
on our deathbed, both of it.

443
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:13.559
I was about at the same time
that he had COVID weld fall of

444
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.559
twenty one, Yes, August August
twenty one. But then he went in

445
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.839
the hospital. Yeah. I told
my wife and said, don't put me

446
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.160
in the hospital. I said,
I'm not going. I don't care.

447
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.640
I said, I don't care about
I get. My oxygen levels got down

448
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.720
to eighty two. I had to
be having an oxygen jim machine at home.

449
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.799
But I wouldn't go to the hospital, and I had a doctor getting

450
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:38.160
me at ivermectin protocols and all the
that went with it, and I mean,

451
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:42.480
I got the death door, but
I made it, but sadly robbed

452
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.160
it and he, uh, they
made the terrible I don't know who made

453
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.519
the decision. I know for him
to go into the hospital. It was

454
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:52.039
a terrible mistake. I knew when
I heard that he went in the hospital

455
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.319
and he probably wasn't gonna get out, and you know, I mean,

456
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.759
we had a friend here, what
pastor friend of mine that lives in Montgomery

457
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:05.640
that so he would He went into
the hospital really bad, and they were

458
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.519
trying to put him on it then
later and it was just a big fiasco.

459
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:12.720
But we we got him to lead, like two am in the morning,

460
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:14.799
just get up and walk out before
they did all that to it.

461
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.359
And he survived. We got him
hydroxychloricuin protocol and he got better and survived

462
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:27.480
and he's still with us today.
But that again, Rob's death and that

463
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:32.920
whole situation is really really sad and
really troubling. And I hated for his

464
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:39.480
wife and son and but yeah,
she came out and spoke recently. I

465
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:43.119
saw a clip on YouTube, but
I think it was within the last three

466
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.359
or four months, and I heard
her talk about that going to the hospital

467
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:51.160
and the protocol they did, and
it's I mean, you know, I

468
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.160
don't want to go down this road
in this podcast, but it's infuriating because

469
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.279
we know what the end result was
ninety nine percent of the time when they

470
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.559
brought out the brim deservere and the
intubation. Yes, oh yeah, that's

471
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.799
a death sentence. Yeah, if
you survived the ventilator and m Dezevie,

472
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.599
it's a miracle of God. I
mean, it really is, because that's

473
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:15.000
a that's a two pronged death attack
right there on. And and there,

474
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.400
you know, here we go again. They're trying to ramp this up again,

475
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.920
sir, you know, and everybody. You know, I got some

476
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.719
people thinking, oh, Pastor Dean
must be in the club, you know,

477
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:29.159
he must be part of the your
controlling position, because I ran for

478
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.679
governor. But the Holy Spirit Lord
told me to run for governor of Alabama

479
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:37.519
during all that to confront all that
in speech after speech across our state,

480
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:45.239
too massive crowds, to the media, to everybody, I said, don't

481
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.159
go to the hospital. Don't get
on a ventilator, don't take m dezevie.

482
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.639
I mean, I was preaching this. I'm saying, we've got this.

483
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:58.800
You know our governor won't do anything
about it, and so I just

484
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:02.440
know God wanted me. I traveled
seventy thousand miles across our state. I've

485
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.599
spoke at I don't know, probably
a couple of hundred events. I was

486
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:13.599
on CBS forty two and Birmingham I
was. I was on the biggest talk

487
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:20.000
radio stations saying the hydroxy I've ever
met and protocol saved my life, saved

488
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.880
people in my family's lives, and
you know, we could save a lot.

489
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.559
I mean, people were dying in
Alabama at the time. We had

490
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.920
twenty thousand plus die here in Alabama, and I was like we there was

491
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:35.840
It was no sense that doctor Peter
McCullough said, you know, if we

492
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.159
would have given the early treatment protocols
I ever met in our hydroxy floric when

493
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.079
with the protocol, we could have
saved eighty five percent or more of the

494
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.920
people who died during that time period. So Rob's life could have been saved.

495
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.079
There's a lot of the people's lives
that could have been saved. And

496
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.679
so that's that's why I ran for
governor because I knew I needed to go

497
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:59.840
shout this from the rooftops. And
I mean I knew they were gonna cheat

498
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:01.440
me in the election and everything else
which they did. We saw them.

499
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.800
We saw the cheating of the voting
totals and all that stuff. But I

500
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.599
don't care. I did what the
Lord wanted me to do, and I

501
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:15.480
got to preach Jesus and flat earth
biblical cosmology on television here on radio here.

502
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.280
I had. You wouldn't believe the
people that read my book in this

503
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:24.039
state. I mean we're talking about
political leaders across the state have my book

504
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:30.760
in their house. So that's that's
why God had me do it. And

505
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.199
he may have me do something again. And if he tells me to do

506
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.320
something in the political realm again,
I will, you know, just to

507
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.760
be a light for Jesus in the
midst of all that darkness. Yeah,

508
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.719
there is a lot of darkness,
and I should kind of follow up on

509
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:49.000
that. At least here in Delaware. They closed the churches down. So

510
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:53.079
how did you handle your church and
what were the protocols in your state?

511
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.719
How did that work out? With
twenty twenty. Yeah, early on they

512
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:02.519
tried to shut down our churches,
and there were some veiled threats at arresting

513
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:09.199
pastor in churches that kept going.
But we actually when they first everything kind

514
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:15.800
of hit, like on that first
Sunday when they went crazy. We didn't

515
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.320
do that Sunday. We were just
said okay, and we already had one

516
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.400
guy that had gotten sick with COVID, so if that was the other pastor

517
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.199
because he has he has church on
Saturdays and they come over here. But

518
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.599
after that, I said, oh
no, we're not shutting down anything,

519
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:30.760
and if they arrest me, they're
resting. So out of the whole thing.

520
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:35.519
We shut down one Sunday just too, because we didn't want something to

521
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.760
spread that had already hit here,
right, you know. But other than

522
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:43.280
that, we were like nah.
And then Alabama, Alabama. No one

523
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.320
in Alabama actually went to the step
of arresting a pastor. Now, they

524
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.480
did have it in Louisiana and in
Florida that I know of it, maybe

525
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:55.199
others I think in California too,
but not not here, So I don't

526
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:59.840
think. I think they were a
lot of talking, you know, but

527
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.880
we didn't. We didn't shut down
and the most churches did. Most churches

528
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.760
did here again again, if the
mainstream media is your news source and your

529
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.159
source of information, you're going to
be deceived. That's just the way it

530
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:19.760
is. Yeah. And our governor, oh, I was just gonna say,

531
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.159
our governor, we have our own
version of Biden here. Oh I

532
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:28.440
was that. I was at a
breakfast of pancake breakfast with her sitting like

533
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.159
five feet away, and she couldn't
cut her pancakes. I don't know who

534
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.920
really running the show here, but
it's not her. It's the same people

535
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.440
running right, So probably. And
then she was the one that got up

536
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:45.480
there and said, I mean what
I think one of the stupidest statements from

537
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.280
a governor during all that, she
said, the vaccinate, it's the vat

538
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.920
it's the unvaccinated people that are letting
us down. It's it's it's not the

539
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:58.320
regular folks. So she called us
unvaccinated votes that we're not the regular volks

540
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.719
and we're letting everybody down. That
everybody had up. Of course we'll get

541
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.719
to choose. It's non essential,
we go true. Yeah, yeah,

542
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.559
nol Nell. It's yeah. That
they're even coming out on the mainstream media

543
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.519
saying yeah, most of the people
in the hospital are are the vaccinated.

544
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.039
You don't see a lot of unvaccinated. Uh regret out there for sure.

545
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.000
But the reason I brought that up
is because you mentioned thing. I said.

546
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:25.039
Everything I said in sermons and in
political speeches from twenty twenty to twenty

547
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.079
twenty two that I warned them about
that I told them was going to happen.

548
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.800
Every single thing happened, even when
I got shut down and censored for

549
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:42.239
in the Alabama press about the even
about the COVID being from the wet market,

550
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.039
I said, no, it was. It was a bio weapon made

551
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:45.639
to laugh. Yeah, I got
shut down for that, and now the

552
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:52.360
Director of National Intelligence is admitting it. So I have no regrets brother than

553
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.840
that, right there, none at
all. That's I'll tell you. On

554
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.400
the on the flat earth bibical cosmology. One of the funniest thing I was

555
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:06.440
getting interviewed by CBS forty two News
in Birmingham. I was in the studio

556
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.119
and where they were recording. It
wasn't live, but they were recording our

557
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.800
and so we're standing at a podium
you know that's going across like this,

558
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.480
you know, a long table type
podium type thing, and she's on one

559
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:20.559
end of it and I'm on the
other. She's interview I mean, she

560
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.119
so she asked me two questions and
then she goes, so you believe Earth's

561
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.800
flat? And I said, well, I said, I believe the Biblical

562
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.639
version. I said, I don't
believe with the flat Earth Society's nonsense that,

563
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.239
you know. I said, that's
all not true. I believe the

564
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.199
Biblical version. And she did across
the table and went over the edge like

565
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.519
and she goes like this, and
I said no, and she just kind

566
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:44.239
of looked twist at her head like
she couldn't fathom what I was talking about.

567
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.559
Anyway, long story short after the
after the interview was over, her

568
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.760
and her producer sat down and wanted
to talk to me. We talked for

569
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.239
an hour and she wanted my book
and I signed it for and gave it

570
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:59.920
to her, you know, the
interviewer at CBS News. So there was

571
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.119
there was a lot of cool stuff
like that that happened. That's incredible,

572
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.599
that's awesome. The reason I brought
that up though, because you'd mentioned earlier

573
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:12.039
when you said where you were trusting
in Man, not in God as far

574
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.519
as like NASA and the Bible.
COVID was kind of that same story.

575
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.639
They took the word of a guy
who was in a white lab coat who

576
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.599
they've never met before personally over God, right, they put their hope into

577
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:29.639
man. Yeah, And there was
no excuses even in that because you know,

578
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:35.480
doctor Didier Rowl to France came out
with the hydroxy cloric and protocol with

579
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:42.519
using the zitromycin and the zinc and
he treated it was one thousand and eight

580
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:47.639
patients there, and I'm talking about
early on, like in February, and

581
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.440
he'd only had like six five or
six people die and they were like over

582
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.480
seventy five years old, and so
he really showed you could save people with

583
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.760
this, and he came out with
it publicly the end of February, and

584
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.159
it was him and a couple of
other doctors that got Trump's attention about that,

585
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:10.239
and that's when Trump spoke it in
March, like March seventeenth, eighteenth

586
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:15.559
of twenty twenty, said hydroxy Clarkland
looks to be a game changer. And

587
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:21.039
had our nation gone down that road
fully and listened to the doctors who were

588
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.559
doing the research and treating patients and
seeing success, we could have saved a

589
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:29.679
lot of lives. But you know, the agenda of the of the illuminati

590
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.360
and the cabal whatever you want to
call them, the Luciferians, the Satanists,

591
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.880
the elitists that run everything that's that
wasn't the game plant. So they

592
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:43.480
had to crush or try to destroy
that that protocol that would have saved a

593
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.159
lot of people's lives, and they
and it's very evil what was done.

594
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.760
And so that's that that bugged me
the most, because it's not just Christians

595
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.480
should have known the devil's trying to
shut down your church. God said,

596
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:59.280
don't forsake the assembling of yourselves together
as the manner of some is, especially

597
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.320
when you see the day approaching.
In the last days, so even now

598
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:07.880
we're supposed to meet together. The
whole definition of church is the assembly the

599
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.280
believers, right, it means coming
together, and that was what the devil

600
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.760
was attacking that, and so pastors
should have taken Hebrews ten twenty five and

601
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.800
said, no, sorry, if
you take us to jail, we're like

602
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.920
Peter and John and James. It
will just go to jail, you know,

603
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.360
I mean, that's just the way
it's it should be, and that

604
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.760
it will come to that in the
day's ahead, you know, yeah,

605
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.840
yeah, they will put us in
Yeah. And I was just gonna say,

606
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.880
somebody said the other day, you
know, never man, how did

607
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:43.079
he say? It's something about you
don't ever adhere to man's law that infringes

608
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.400
on God's law. I think it's
kind of what it said. Well,

609
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it's in Acts five. I think
it's verse twenty nine, something like twenty

610
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something, but it says, you
know, we all to obey God rather

611
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than men. There there comes a
point. I mean, I believe we're

612
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supposed to do our best to live
in peace with the government, you know,

613
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.559
around us. But the moment they
infringe upon what God has commanded us

614
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.440
to do and our natural God given
rights, we are to say no,

615
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.000
and we are to resist. We
don't blindly. There's a bunch of preachers

616
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.880
out there, preacher Romans thirteen is
if we're to blindly follow evil, wicked

617
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.119
government and they we're not supposed to. You see the disciples willing to go

618
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:27.280
to jail and be killed by not
obeying decrees from the Roman government. I

619
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.559
mean it's that simple. I mean
Caesar demanded that they bow and declare him

620
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.239
to be God. They said,
no, we're not doing that, you

621
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.079
know, and the penalty for a
lot of them was death, you know.

622
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.519
Yep. And I do want to
get to in a little bit.

623
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I want to get to where you
think we are in kind of end times,

624
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:45.519
but I want to touch back a
little bit more on flat Earth.

625
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.119
And something that resonated with me,
which you spoke about, was, I

626
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guess after you came upon flat earth
Biblical cosmology going back and reading the books,

627
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specifically Genesis, for me, it
made and before it was more of

628
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it. I just meant every I
understood everything. For me, the three

629
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.559
big things that really stood out after
I woke up was the flood, the

630
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:17.039
firmament obviously, you know Psalm's nineteen
one talks about the firmament, which happens

631
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:21.639
to be on Warner von Bronze headstone. But something that I didn't come upon

632
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.599
it till later, and then it
really clicked was Genesis eleven, I believe,

633
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.719
which was the Tower of Babbel.
And if if you know this world

634
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.119
was really heliocentrical, where were they
building the tower too? Because the book

635
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.039
specifically says they were using brick and
mortar. Uh, you know, it's

636
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:45.239
not an analogy or anything was they
were trying to build to get into the

637
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:50.159
firmament. So those things really took
a whole new meaning for me. And

638
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.239
God said about the Tower of Babbel, he said, if he didn't stop

639
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:58.320
them, that they would succeed.
Yeah. So, and so I think

640
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.440
about this. We know as certain
altitudes are gets really thin. So we

641
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.719
also know that it wasn't just human
beings building the Tower of Babble. They

642
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.079
had assistance I believe from fallen angels
were assisting them. I think the same

643
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.039
thing. In fact, when the
series I just went through the great En

644
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:21.599
Time Delusion on the alien UFO phenomena, it's clear that NASA and there's there's,

645
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:27.119
there's people that NASA admitting that a
lot of their advancements of technology and

646
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.079
different things they've been admitted that I
have the American Cosmic the book, the

647
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:37.679
guy admits that this thing right here
was created by what he called alien technology

648
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:43.119
and help from aliens. Well,
we know who the aliens really are,

649
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:47.480
that fallen demon spirits. And so
I think you have the same thing going

650
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.199
on with NASA. NASA NASA being
and I point this out in the book

651
00:46:52.280 --> 00:47:00.039
NASA being established by former SS Nazi
officers and thirty third degree Freemasons pulls into

652
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.679
this, and of course Jack Parsons
being Alistair Finley Jack, Yeah, when

653
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:12.440
we live Crowley and all of that
together shows that they were operating and worn

654
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.880
of on. Braun admits it that
they were operating and with intelligences beyond our

655
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.760
world. And so you're talking about
people who are deeply The SS officers were

656
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:28.039
real society. I mean they were
in some into some dark satanic occult practices.

657
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:35.639
You bring those things together, you're
going you're getting not just a a

658
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:42.559
rocket and military organization. You have
a spiritual organization. And their their spiritual

659
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:47.199
purpose, I believe, was to
deceive man concerning creation absolute to suppress the

660
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:52.480
truth of creation, which Romans one
says, they would know the truths about

661
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:59.119
creation as suppress it. And that's
what they have actively done because they worked

662
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.119
for sake. Now, a lot
of people tell me, you know,

663
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.159
we have we have a big branch
of NASA right here in Alabama and Hunt,

664
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.960
Alabama, and werder Ron Braun lived
here for a while, worked here

665
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.719
for a walk on the Saturday by
rockets, and I have a lot of

666
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.280
people that, well, my grandpa
will work for NASA, and he was

667
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.800
a welder and he's the sweetest man
in the world, and he would never

668
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:22.559
lie to me. And I'm like, he probably didn't know a thing about

669
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.639
it. I mean, I said, they built rockets. They built them,

670
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.280
and you know, and I spent
hours digging into the NASA technical manuals

671
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.480
and formally classified documents, and I
know exactly what NASA does. It was

672
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.159
all for reconnaissance. They were all
reconnaissance vehicles. Even the so called Space

673
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:44.280
Shuttle was recon building. But you
try to explain to people, look,

674
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.840
institutions like that, the FBI,
the CIA that you name it, the

675
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.679
NSA, Pentagon, the Department of
Justice, all these big institutions are so

676
00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:01.400
compartmentalized that not everybody who works there
is going to know what's going on at

677
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:06.760
the top. It's only a need
to know basis. But the people at

678
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.480
the top have known for years the
truth that the Earth is flat and non

679
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:15.360
rotating, and they know that it's
the ether they're in and not outer space.

680
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And you know, they know they
have to build things about how they

681
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:27.400
really work here on the world that
God has created for us, and they

682
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.079
have to build their planes and rockets
to fly ordinately. That's why it's in

683
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:36.519
all their technical manuals and documents.
So yeah, but put out the lies

684
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.239
because think about this that Paul said
in the Romans. One of the biggest

685
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:46.280
witness that there is a creator is
the creation. And the specifics about the

686
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:51.639
creation that are in the Bible proved
that the Bible knew ahead of time,

687
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.800
right, exactly what the Earth looks
like and how it's designed and the nature

688
00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:00.360
of the sun, moving stars and
all that, and so what's what happened?

689
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:02.079
Isn't this Like I have a whole
chapter in my book like Playing of

690
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.719
the zeal Chapter six is all about
atheist has come to Jesus? Well,

691
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:10.840
why have these atheists coming to Jesus
like I've never seen before? Because once

692
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.920
they see the evidence, and once
they begin to read the Bible and say,

693
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.599
oh, God, the Bible has
been saying this for thousands of years,

694
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:23.000
about what the firm about the firmament, about the stationary aspect of Earth's

695
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:28.639
about the flatness of earth, about
what's underneath and what's above, and they

696
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.239
figure that out and they go,
Bible is true. The God of the

697
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:36.039
Bible, a god of Abraham.
Isaagain, Jacob the Lord Jesus Christ of

698
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.880
Nazard, He's the Creator, He's
the true God. I'm going to turn

699
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:44.480
my life over to him because of
creation. You find any atheist, especially

700
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:46.760
in the university setting, and you
ask them, even if they were once

701
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.639
sympathetic Christians, are you know,
even Christians in the name only? And

702
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.320
they they said, well, I
went to college and when I found out

703
00:50:55.400 --> 00:51:00.199
Genesis one wasn't true, you know, after the Big Bang and all the

704
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:07.480
other nonsense that NASA has given us. And Roman Catholic priest actually came up

705
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.719
with a big Bang theory. Yea, once once you once you to realize

706
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.000
that that's what's turned away many,
many, many, I'm talking we're about

707
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:20.239
millions of people have been turned away
from believing the Bible is true and thus

708
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:23.639
turned away from believing in Jesus Christ
as to be their savior and Lord,

709
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:29.119
their messiah. So when you look
at it that way, I have people

710
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:30.719
all the time creases are like,
well, what does it matter? I'm

711
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:35.039
like, oh, my Lord,
what does it matter? If if we

712
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.039
don't get Genesis one right, then
whine believe the rest of it. It's

713
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:44.480
like having a house on a solid
foundation. Right. Creation is mentioned in

714
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:49.280
book after book after book. I
mean John, the Gospel of John.

715
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:53.599
John one starts out talking about the
creation. Paul starts Romans one. He's

716
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:58.360
talking about creation. I mean it's
in Proverbs, it's in Psalms. I

717
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.079
mean, it's it's in Isaiah.
It's through the whole thing. So you

718
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.920
start throwing you throw that out and
say, oh, that wasn't right.

719
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:10.320
Then can we believe any of it? So what are what are they teaching

720
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:14.239
in seminary, like, for instance, the church down the street, they

721
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.599
believe, I asked them. They
believed that it was the Big Bang theory,

722
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.440
but God was in charge, like
because God's all encompassing. And I

723
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.440
said to them, but what does
the Bible say? And it's just they

724
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.320
look at you. They give you
that that deer in the headlights the stair.

725
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.480
This is what you know. I
had a pastor back and when in

726
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:38.800
nineteen late nineteen eighties, I was
in Dallas, Texas well on the suburb

727
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:44.119
rock Wall, Texas, doctor Larry
Ley Big Church Rock Church on the Rock,

728
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.239
rock Wall, Texas. And he
was a PhD. Had two he

729
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:52.360
had two doctorates from Southwestern Baptist the
Theological Seminary there for Word Texas. I

730
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.559
mean, so the guy was you
know, I mean he was trained by

731
00:52:54.599 --> 00:53:01.760
them. But he said in his
graduate class at Southwestern Theological Seminary in the

732
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:07.400
early seventies that they were teaching that
the first eleven chapters of Genesis was a

733
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:12.119
true myth, and they said,
the theological implications are true, but they're

734
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.400
probably would never manning, madam.
They're probably would ever mending thoughah. And

735
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:22.559
so that's what's been taught in seminaries
for decades. And then you have the

736
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:28.039
people like doctor Michael Heiser, which
I appreciate the fact that Heiser would stand

737
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:30.760
up and teach in his seminary.
You know, he was the founder of

738
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:36.639
Logo software. He's a big,
well known theologian that just passed away recently.

739
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.360
But he taught the Hebrew cosmology.
He said that the Hebrew, the

740
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:47.119
Bible teaches Moses Joshua Era taught a
three tiered system that the third heaven is

741
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.360
where the throne of God is.
The second heaven is the solid firmament of

742
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.639
some type of crystalline glass structure.
God's throne sits upon it, and it's

743
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.599
actually called heaven. So there's three
heavens, Paul said, And then he

744
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.599
said our atmosphere. Right, the
earth is flat, he said, and

745
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.599
underneath it, it sits on its
pillars, and underneath it is hell,

746
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:14.920
the underworld. And he taught this
in seminary and then said had the audacity

747
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:20.280
to say, well, they just
wrote what they knew and what they understood,

748
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.039
but we know better today. And
so that's what's called the doctrine of

749
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:28.400
accommodation. So what you're saying,
though, when you say that, is

750
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:32.800
you're saying that the Bible is not
inspired by God, that it is not

751
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:39.840
God breathed and exactly what God moved
on men to say. And if you

752
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:45.719
say so, either you're denying the
divine inspiration of scripture when you say that,

753
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:51.079
or you're denying you're saying God lied
to them if you say, God

754
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.079
spoke to them, but he just
didn't want to tell them the way it

755
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:59.159
really was. So you have a
big choice. You either are gonna believe

756
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:07.679
this nonsense and and there's no way
then you put together the Big Bang theory

757
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:13.519
and the biblical outline of creation,
they don't go to get No, it's

758
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.480
like trying to mix a wool and
water. I'm sorry, God didn't say

759
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:22.360
it was that way. And look
if he if God can create, I'll

760
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.199
say this way, if God can
create the universe, if you're gonna say,

761
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:29.000
I believe God created the earth,
the sun and the moon, the

762
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.199
stars, or you know, you
believe in the vast universe nonsense, And

763
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.320
you believe God can create all that, But he can't give us a holy

764
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.559
Bible, you know, a book
and get it right and and and preserve

765
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:44.239
it to us. He didn't have
it. He can create, you know,

766
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.639
stars and suns and moons and earth, but he can't create a book

767
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:54.239
and keep it right. That's that's
that's about the stupidest. But that's just

768
00:55:54.400 --> 00:56:00.119
the foolish way man thinks. But
it's it's because we've been so say and

769
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.920
is good at deception. I mean, he's just good at it. But

770
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.960
as for a born again Christian,
for a Christian, you're one of the

771
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:13.320
first foundations of your faith has to
be the Bible is the truth. It

772
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:19.360
is the God's truth. It is
the inspired, infallible, inerrant word of

773
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.480
God. Jesus said, man shall
not live by bread alone, but by

774
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:24.119
every word that proceeds from the mouth
of God. He said, heaven and

775
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:28.239
earth will pass away, my words
will not pass away. Uh. You

776
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:32.960
know in Psalms he said, I
will preserve my word from this generation and

777
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:39.440
forever. So I believe again what
Jesus said, and I believe God's word.

778
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:44.559
And so when you get to that
word firmament, what is it?

779
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.480
What is it? I mean it. There were pastors. This guy used

780
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.320
to call pastors. You know,
I don't know if you solve the videos.

781
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.239
It was hilarious. He would call
pastors and just say, you know,

782
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:59.159
I've been studying the Bible and I
had a question from Genesis, what

783
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.119
is the firmament it? And it
was hilarious. I would just sit there

784
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:07.639
and laugh because that some one guy
said it was the earth. The firmament

785
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.360
was the earth. And he goes, well, the Bible says the sun

786
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:14.599
and the moon are inside at the
firmament, so that would mean the sun

787
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.639
and the moon are inside the earth. And the guy and then the pastor

788
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.960
said, oh no, no,
it didn't be that, couldn't you know

789
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.039
You're you're like, dude, if
you don't know, just be honest to

790
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:27.199
say, I don't know, right, but when you look up the word

791
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:30.920
when you look up the word rock
yahya and the Hebrew word and you look

792
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:37.639
up in multiple lexicons, you know
Hebrew lexicons, and you look up.

793
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.639
I've got the complete works of Josephas, who was the first century Jewish historian,

794
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:44.800
was probably a Pharisee as well,
the one who testified of Jesus and

795
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:50.679
his miracles. And he says in
the beginning of the Complete Works of Josephs

796
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.119
he says, there's a crystalline firmament
over the earth, right, so we

797
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:00.440
know what they believe. And these
are guys who spoke Hebrew and read Hebrew

798
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:06.559
and knew what was passed down from
their generations of their fathers, and they

799
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.840
had the scriptures and they believed them, you see. And so we go

800
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:15.960
and we find rocky a means a
solid structure that has been beaten out and

801
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:21.199
stretched out in a curved fashion,
all right. And and then you start

802
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.039
looking up stuff about that covering.
You find out the sky when you know

803
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:30.760
in Joke thirty seven, when it
talks about the sky being hard, firm,

804
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:36.639
like a like molten glass, and
you see Ezekiel calling it the terrible

805
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:40.480
crystal that is over our heads,
and the throne of God sits upon it.

806
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:45.440
You see Isaiah forty where he says
God sits upon the circle of the

807
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:49.559
Earth and looks at us like we're
grasshoppers, right, and calls it like

808
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.880
a tent. And you know,
I have never seen a tent, and

809
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.280
it looks like a spherical ball.
I've never in my life. And he

810
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:59.280
said, the Earth's like a tent, you know, stretched out, it's

811
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.559
got a flat by atom and it's
got a covering over it. So you

812
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.719
know, you start digging into these
words and you know exactly what they mean.

813
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.159
And I watch Christian Creation, it's
like doctor Danny Fault there and others

814
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:16.639
lie and say, no, that
word just means an expanse, right,

815
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:19.760
They'll say, oh, it just
means it expects. So they're they're trying

816
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.760
to say it means out of space. But then again, everywhere you find

817
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:29.480
the word used, it means to
beat or pound or hammer something solid into

818
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:35.440
a shape. To expand a solid
is what it means. And so I

819
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.320
just that's why one of my chapters
in my book is like, you know,

820
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:43.519
the firmament, actually it's called the
Firmament and Dishonest Creations. That just

821
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:47.440
blasts them on that. But but
when you talk about the firmament and it

822
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:52.159
talks about there's waters above it and
wachs below and then and you know,

823
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.800
you go on in Genesis when the
flood happened, and it says it rained

824
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.360
and the windows of heaven were open. That's right, and Great Deep was

825
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:06.480
broken up, so you have three
different sources of water going on there to

826
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:12.559
flood the whole world. And I
mean it all again, once you realize

827
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:17.719
the truth about Biblical cosmology and look
at what the words really saying and what

828
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:22.719
the words are really defined as,
it all makes sense. Like you said,

829
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:28.960
even from even from Genesis one to
the flood of Noah, those things

830
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:35.360
make sense absolutely, you know.
And that was what a lot of people

831
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:38.119
tell me. It's like for the
first time. Once I realized all this

832
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:45.800
and understood it all the true Biblical
cosmology creation model, it's like now the

833
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:47.719
whole Bible makes sense. Yeah,
it's like it all fits together now.

834
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:52.079
And you know Joshua telling the sun
and the moon to stand still, that

835
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.679
makes sense now. You know.
Before I understood this, and when my

836
01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:00.159
eyes were still blinded to this,
that was the passage that bothered me the

837
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:04.639
most. I would read that and
go, I don't get this, because

838
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.880
I truly believe the Bible was the
inspired, infallible word of God, and

839
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:13.719
it was true and correct. But
I my mind couldn't even wrap around a

840
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.000
different understanding of cosmology because I've never
heard it. I never even it never

841
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.199
come into my mind, so I
had nothing to compare it to. But

842
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:23.519
I would say to the Lord,
well, I didn't pray. I said,

843
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:28.119
I don't get I don't understand this. And I think because I always

844
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:31.480
wanted to understand. I think that's
why he finally helped me understand, because

845
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:36.519
I was always hungry to know that
what what all that meant? Ye,

846
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.119
And I think that I mean,
I don't even know. I just I

847
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:42.760
just kind of went on an there, I'm sorry, No, no,

848
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.280
you're good. And I think what
you just said it's the perfect embodiment of

849
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:49.480
people always say, hey, I'm
trying to my wife, my sister,

850
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:52.679
my friend, my mom. I
try to explain flutterth, but they shut

851
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.239
me down. You have to be
at a portion of your life when you're

852
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:59.199
ready to accept it. It goes
back to the whole. You can lead

853
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:00.400
the horse to water, but it's
up to them to drink it. They

854
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:05.840
have to be in a place in
their life when they're ready to open up

855
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:08.960
to it and all that. You
know, we've done almost undered interviews and

856
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:15.880
the common theme is breadcrumbs, less
is more, leave make them curious,

857
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:19.039
because if you come out with all
the information, in many cases, it's

858
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.360
just going to drive them away.
So what you said there is perfect.

859
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:28.280
And when you mentioned something that just
gets under my skin is when I hear

860
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:30.559
these people say, oh, yeah, the people back then, we're just

861
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:35.760
they weren't very smart. Those people
back then were so in touch with the

862
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:40.280
earth. They understood how everything with
the moon, the stars, how the

863
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:47.039
medicines of the earth. Now we're
so brainwashed we think dandelions are terrible and

864
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:53.000
they're one of the most powerful things
that God gave us and we spray them

865
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:58.079
with roundup, which causes cancer.
And we're so hypocritical where we say,

866
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.920
oh, those folks back them had
no clue what they were doing. What

867
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.760
we've been brainwashed to think what's good
is bad and what's bad is good.

868
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:08.239
And the last thing I wanted to
touch on was like you were talking about

869
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.519
the Copernicus kind of rent with it, but there was a guy before him

870
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.519
who was who kind of created you
know, people talk about Pythagoras back in

871
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:22.360
the day, but we know history. It was Nicolas, Nicholas of Cusa,

872
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.360
Nicholas of another Roman Catholic, like
the late fourteen hundreds, right,

873
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:30.639
he was, Yeah, he was
the one that brought up the whole concept

874
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:32.599
of the Earth can't be at the
center, and there has to be this

875
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:37.239
vast universe and there has to be
other planets. I mean, he he

876
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:42.679
just made up this stuff. I
believe it was just Satanic inspiration, of

877
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:49.440
course, But again yet another Catholic
priest. Imagine that. Yeah, they're

878
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.639
they're deep in this. There was
another Roman Catholic what was her names?

879
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:59.840
Oh god, what was her name? I just recently found out about her.

880
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:04.920
She I think it was oh gosh, I can't remember. But anyway,

881
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.119
she she was in the sixteen hundreds, and she was in so deep

882
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:14.559
into Roman Catholic mysticism that she was
astral project or what they called by locating

883
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:17.519
or whatever she do that. And
see she said in the sixteen hundreds that

884
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:26.000
she during one of her astral soul
journeys out into she flew over the earth

885
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:29.440
and saw it as a round sphere. Bennet down, lean out. There's

886
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:35.239
another was that CARLINI? No,
what was it? She was Sister Mary

887
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:42.880
something you know what? Hang on, yes, what I know? I

888
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.519
have it in my notes right here. I don't know why I can't remember

889
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.800
the name, but I have it
in my notes. I got so many

890
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:53.519
notes in this thought I was doing
the America. Well, I say,

891
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:55.880
no, I understand, trust me. I got. That's how I came

892
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:59.400
to you. I get every time
somebody emails me because you can't get to

893
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:00.480
her right away, put it in
my notes. And then you know,

894
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:04.159
after about twenty emails saying you got
to check out Pastor Odal, I was

895
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:08.400
like, well, I better check
this guy out. Yeah, here it

896
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:15.920
is. This is Her name was
Sister Mary of Agreda. That's uh ag.

897
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.440
I may be saying it wrong,
but a g R. E.

898
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:24.599
D A. She was a Spanish
nun who lived in the sixteen hundred.

899
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:28.679
She was a mystique and she wrote
books about the Virgin Mary. But yeah

900
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:33.360
it was, and she wrote books
about cosmologies and actually they got burned and

901
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:39.000
rejected. But she was one of
the first that was out doing again.

902
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:45.119
Occult mysticism connected just to ac cult
practices like the Nazis, like the Freemasons,

903
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.119
like these others, and seeing the
earth as a sphere and bringing that

904
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:55.320
back to the Catholic Church. So
you got to think about Copernicus. He

905
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:59.320
came into this. He was a
Catholic, he was he was clearly a

906
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:03.840
Catholic, we know that. And
again he was embracing he was studying these

907
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:09.480
Catholic mystics, and he was studying
hermeticism, which put the sun at the

908
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:13.280
center and was sun worship. And
so when you put together what he was

909
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:17.760
studying, it's really a belief system
he created. It was a mystical beliefs.

910
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:26.480
It was not a scientific observation.
Because even Einstein admitted that both the

911
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:31.480
heliocentric and the geocentric views work as
a model in the sense of because you

912
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.800
have either you have everything else moving
in a circular motion over the Earth,

913
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:41.000
or you got the Earth moving in
a circular motion. It's that circular motion

914
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:45.840
that's the only true thing, or
dealing with what is moving, you know.

915
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:51.000
But Einstein admitted that, he admitted
that both models you could make sense

916
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.239
out of, you know, in
the sense, I mean, we know

917
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.679
a lot of there's this foolishness,
but they think ours is foolishness. But

918
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.440
of course, again it's just what
you're deciding. But but a lot of

919
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:08.719
this came from Roman Catholic mysticism,
and it's Satanic. It's it's Satanic inspired

920
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:13.480
because once look, once you start
like this sister, what did I say,

921
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.800
or named Mary of Agrida. Yeah, once you start worshiping Mary and

922
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:21.440
praying to Mary, that's idolatry.
Well, Paul said in First Corinthians Team,

923
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:25.760
the moment you commit the sin of
idolatry, he said. The idol's

924
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:29.159
not anything, he said, but
you when you do it, that commit

925
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.800
that sin, he said, you
are fellowshipping with demons. At the moment

926
01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:38.360
you start fellowshipping with demons and allowing
them into your life, then other experiences

927
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:44.400
begin to happen, like astral projection, soul travel by location, levitation which

928
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.440
a lot of them did, the
stigmatas you know, just open wounds and

929
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:56.079
bleeding, and the Satans power and
can do you know, miraculous or supernatural

930
01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:00.760
things. And so that's why again
I pointed this out during the the series

931
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:04.960
I did on the the Alien Ufo
phenomena, that's the great end time delusion.

932
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:11.280
And I tied in the Roman Catholics
because so much of this comes from

933
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:17.399
because they are operating and intertwined with
the demonic forces, and all of this

934
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:21.920
stuff is working. Yeah, this
is why they're embracing. The Vatican even

935
01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:29.560
now is embracing the UFO Alien agenda
and pushing it forth because they are controlled

936
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:33.319
now. The Catholic Church is fully
controlled in its hierarchy and its institution.

937
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:39.199
Its leadership is completely in Satan's hand
for his use in the in the in

938
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:45.920
fact, well theodoscope named Lucy shouldn't
shock us about Yeah, it shouldn't shock

939
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:53.960
us about him. A counterfeit cosmology
creation model, you know, he just

940
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:58.640
he he wants his own following.
Let's put it out. I think a

941
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:01.359
lot of it is mockery too,
right, because Jesus was the son of

942
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.159
God. They put the son,
as you won, at the center of

943
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:08.920
the universe. And then of course
there's all the crazy numerology that goes with

944
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:12.720
it as well, all the six
six sixes. That this is a good

945
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.119
time to bring this question up,
because we're kind of going down that path.

946
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.359
One of the hot questions on the
podcast within the last month, and

947
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:23.079
I see it's kind of been all
over YouTube too, is the talk about

948
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:29.359
the Trinity. What is your thoughts
on the trinity. Okay, you know,

949
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:36.600
the traditional definition of the trinity is
one God, three persons, father,

950
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:42.840
son, and Holy Spirit, and
those three though our make up the

951
01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:47.600
one God hit And I don't disagree
with that except in the sense of I

952
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:53.239
don't think most people understand how it
works. And I kind of explain it

953
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:57.720
this way. I say, you
have to look at first Thessalonians five twenty

954
01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.800
three. Paul said, I pray
God that your old spirit, soul and

955
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.319
body brief, preserved blameless under the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. So

956
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:08.560
each human being, you, me, everybody, we have a spirit,

957
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.800
a soul, and a body,
and those three things, those three parts

958
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:16.039
that make us up are very distinct, very different, our spirits, it's

959
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:19.359
a different and they're different Greek words
there, right, there's numa, there's

960
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:24.920
suke, there's you know, the
flesh, there's the sarks whatever. So

961
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:28.319
you've got the three different words,
and you've got the three So and then

962
01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:30.000
we go back to Genesis one six. It says that God created us in

963
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:35.239
his image. Well, if if
I'm three distinct parts but one person,

964
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:40.560
there's not three deans, right,
right, But I do have a spirit,

965
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.199
soul, and body. Now as
a Christian is a born again Christian

966
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:46.119
walking with Jesus and being truly saved
and my sins washed away. And I'm

967
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:50.520
ready to die. And if I
die right now, the Bible says to

968
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:54.600
be absolute from the bodies, to
be present of the Lord. So immediately

969
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:59.880
there's going to be a separation between
my spirit and my soul. Are gonna

970
01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:02.439
go to Heaven to be with the
Lord. My body is going to go

971
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:08.560
in the grave until the second coming
of Jesus, when my body is resurrected

972
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:15.439
and made immortal and reunited with my
spirit and soul. So what I point

973
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.479
out to people, if God created
us in his image and we are a

974
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:25.079
three in one being, then He
is a three in one being. But

975
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:30.399
just like our parts can separate from
one another, and which is do this

976
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.199
all the time through demonic power.
They will ask you project out of their

977
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:36.039
body and go and watch and view
and listen to things in other areas.

978
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:40.319
This is well known in the occult
world. It's called remote viewing. The

979
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:44.319
CIA calls it remote viewing. That's
they've been They've been studying it and pushing

980
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:47.000
it for years. That's right.
But our spirit, soul it and then

981
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.079
Solomon talked about it being connected with
the silver cord and all that stuff.

982
01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:55.720
So Shirley mcclaimed, she got to
the New Age and the Satanic mantra Buddhist

983
01:11:55.760 --> 01:12:00.840
meditation she asked for projected up into
the sky into space and was saw the

984
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.560
civil cord connected to our body.
The reason I'm saying all that is is

985
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:08.920
that I believe that the Father,
Son, and the Holy Spirit are one

986
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:14.239
God with three very distinct parts.
You can say persons, you can say

987
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:16.840
parts. Whatever. What I'm saying
is, if my spirit is standing over

988
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:20.159
here, it's the spirit of deep. If my soul is standing over here,

989
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.680
that is the soul of Dean.
And my body's here, it's the

990
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.880
body of being. But it's it's
You get what I'm saying. Absolutely So,

991
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:32.520
whether you're seeing the Father in manifestation
or the Son or the Holy Spirit

992
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:38.840
working like when Jesus was baptizing,
you're still seeing You're seeing God, but

993
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:45.239
him him manifesting himself in his very
three distinct ways. But he's one,

994
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:49.520
and that's why he could say,
you know, like Paul wrote in Colossians

995
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:54.199
chapter two, eight nine, he
said, Jesus is the fullness of the

996
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:59.359
Godhead, modeling, meaning he's fully
God in the flesh. The Bible teaches

997
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.960
uh you know Isaiah UH nine six, the one we'd like to quote around

998
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.800
Christmas time, but it really has
to do it. It's more powerful.

999
01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:12.319
And it says the son will be
given, right a son. So you

1000
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.920
got a father and a son.
The son will be given, and the

1001
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:18.640
government will be upon his shoulders,
and his name will be called wonderful counselor

1002
01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:26.039
the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father. And so that you have Philip in

1003
01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.880
John fourteen saying, show us,
you know, jeeus, show us the

1004
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:32.479
Father and it'll it'll satisfy us.
And he said, have you not seen

1005
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:34.960
me? Do you not know me? Philip? If you've seen me,

1006
01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:40.680
you've seen the Father. I mean, that's a strong statement here. I

1007
01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:44.199
believe in the one God. He's
one. The Bible says, he's one

1008
01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:47.680
front in the old Sentisman and the
Duchess. He's one God, three very

1009
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:55.199
distinct parts that are all fully God. Just he is just. He just

1010
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.520
has a distinct, three distinct parts. And that's what again we are.

1011
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.760
We used three distinct parts. But
there you don't see three deans stand again,

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you know. And then I'll say
this too. I saw it in

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01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:10.359
a vision form. And and I'm
not one of those that has a vision

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01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:14.119
every day. Okay, there's visions
that you can have in dreams. There's

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01:14:14.199 --> 01:14:15.520
visions that God can show you,
like in your mind, I call a

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01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:21.680
closed vision. But I had a
powerful encounter with Jesus in nineteen eighty seven

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when I when I redicated my life
to him, repented of my sin and

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01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:30.079
said, Lord, my life is
yours. A few months after that,

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I am sitting in a room,
you know, in my house, two

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three am in the morning, I'm
praying. I'm up praying, and over

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01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.159
in the corner, you know,
it's just dark in the room. Over

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01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:47.720
in the corner there's no window.
An opening begins to open up, and

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I mean and and light coming through
it. And basically just like just like

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01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.359
Stephen when he was being stolen,
it was like he said, I see,

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I saw the glory. I mean, it's like I saw the throne.

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It was open up to me,
and I saw the glory of the

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Father. And I saw Jesus standing
like in that light around him. You

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know, it's like huge, just
it was it was almost brighter than the

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01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:17.279
sun, Like it was so bright
you couldn't almost couldn't see him, but

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I could see Jesus and his robe
and everything, and then over him,

1031
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:26.000
extending out of that light, the
brightness of that light, I saw the

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01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:29.800
wings of the Dove, the Holy
Spirit, and I know I was looking

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01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:34.039
at the Trinity. I was looking
at the three distinct aspects of God.

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01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:39.880
But what I'm seeing there is the
fullness of God. Now I couldn't see

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01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:44.720
into that light and see everything clearly, but I will tell you this that

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01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:47.159
the power I felt from God.
And I'm talking about the anointing and power

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01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:50.560
of the Holy Spirit, like when
you get saved or feel with the Holy

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01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:55.000
Spirit. I mean it is you
feel the peace of God, the joy,

1039
01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:59.159
the love. I mean you're just
enveloped in it. When you're born

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01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:03.279
again. Take that feeling and met
and magnify it by about a hundred.

1041
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:09.159
It was so strong that I actually
thought the Lord was coming, and I

1042
01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:13.079
said, I can't take anymore.
Like I tend to tell him, it

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01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:15.800
wasn't painful, but I could say
I knew I wasn't going to be able

1044
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:20.800
to stay conscious. It was overwhelming
heat it if he didn't ease up.

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Sure. Now some people say,
well, you know your experience doesn't establish

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01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:29.600
doctrine. No, but I just
gave you scripture as to why I believe

1047
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:33.399
he's one, but yet three distinct
parts, and those parts can separate from

1048
01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:39.319
one another, and it doesn't diminish
that it's him in any way. You

1049
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:42.760
get what I'm saying, whether it's
a holy spirit or you see Jesus or

1050
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:46.640
you seeing the Father as like they
did with his feet and the glory,

1051
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:51.359
you know River Moses was not allowed
to see him fully. You know,

1052
01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:55.680
it was like he got to be
in the glory of God and he got

1053
01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:58.560
to see his feet, and he
got to see his back, but he

1054
01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:00.439
didn't get to see the fullness.
And I didn't get to see the fullness

1055
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:04.560
of it. But you know,
Paul even admitted though that this is a

1056
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:10.640
mystery, that it's a thing that's
difficult for Christians to grasp. But I

1057
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:15.560
will say this, people need to
remember every single cult in the world,

1058
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:21.720
whether it be Islam or Joba Witnesses
or Mormons or whatever, tried to diminish

1059
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:27.960
Jesus into being just a man who
was filled with the Holy Spirit that God

1060
01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:33.319
used, or they try to just
make him the son, which he was

1061
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:36.199
the Word before he became the Son, and the word was with God,

1062
01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:42.119
and the word was God. And
you know, so if as long as

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01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:46.840
I tell people, as long as
you believe that Jesus Christ is fully God

1064
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:51.399
in the flesh, you are not
in error and you won't be deceived.

1065
01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:56.159
But if you start believing Jesus is
just a man, or he's just a

1066
01:17:56.279 --> 01:18:01.800
man who understood his divinity and became
a God or whatever, then you you're

1067
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:09.199
going to be terribly to see because
Jesus is not He's not just a man,

1068
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:13.640
He's not just the Son. He
is fully the image of God,

1069
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:20.640
the fo like like God had for
God to have a physical image. That's

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01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:26.479
Jesus sawesome. Thank you so much
for sharing that, and thank you for

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01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.159
being so generous with your time.
But before we go for now, and

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01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:31.720
I really hope you'll join us again
down the road. Oh, I wanted

1073
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:36.560
to ask you this. There's either
someone watching this video, we're listening to

1074
01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:41.720
this podcast right now. If there's
someone listening and watching right now, how

1075
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:46.640
can they how can they be saved? You know, it's it's you know,

1076
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:50.720
first of all, I will say
this a person, you know,

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01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:55.199
I believe Jesus said, and John
he said, I'm if I be lifted

1078
01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:58.079
up, I will draw them into
me. So the Holy Spirit is drawing

1079
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.880
people. And what that means when
the Holy spirits drawing you is it might

1080
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:05.439
not feel comfortable at first, because
he beguins to convict you and convince you

1081
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:11.680
that your life is in a bad
place, like you are sinning and rebelling

1082
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:16.720
against the God of Creation, and
so that it's uncomfortable, But that's actually

1083
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:20.319
a good thing. So I remember
when you know, when I came to

1084
01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:25.800
the Lord, the Holy Spirit began
to convince me that I was a sinner

1085
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:30.439
and I needed a savior, and
I need I needed my sins washed away.

1086
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:32.159
I needed to be made right with
God. And that is a revelation

1087
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:36.680
that you have to get. And
you have to understand that Jesus didn't come

1088
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:40.880
to call thee think they're righteous.
He came to call sinners to repentance.

1089
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:43.680
And that what he really means all
all have sin and come short of the

1090
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:45.239
glory of God, the Bible says. But what he was saying there is

1091
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:49.880
people who finally admit, yeah,
you know what, I'm a sinner and

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01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:55.119
my sins have offended a holy God. And I basically have committed crimes against

1093
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:59.159
the creator of the universe and heaven
and earth. And need I need a

1094
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:00.640
way to deal with that. Well, the way to deal with that is

1095
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:05.680
Jesus came God in the flesh.
He was born of the Virgin, and

1096
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:13.680
he lived a sinless life. And
then he became the sacrifice, the atonement

1097
01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:17.640
for my sin. And he died
in my place because he took sin upon

1098
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:20.800
him, my sin, your sin. Everyone say. He took the sins

1099
01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:27.119
of all man kind on himself,
and then he died for our He paid

1100
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:30.359
the penalty, the suffering, the
shedding of his blood, and then finally

1101
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:35.279
death, and he paid that price
so that we could be forgiven. And

1102
01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:39.439
you got to realize he just a
man, a normal man, could not

1103
01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:42.960
have done that for us. Any
some man dying for us. It's not

1104
01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:46.600
going to wash our sins away.
It had to be God in the flesh,

1105
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:49.039
and it had to be sinless,
spotless. He had to be the

1106
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:55.000
sinless, spotless lamb of God.
And so you have to believe that Jesus

1107
01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:59.680
died for your sins and that he
is the only one that can wash those

1108
01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.399
sins away and give you forgiveness and
then give you eternal life, and of

1109
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:08.279
course you have to believe he rose
from the dead bodily rose from the dead

1110
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.319
on the third day, because you
have to know that he is your entire

1111
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.840
life. Because he rose from the
dead and lives forever, you will rise

1112
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:18.479
from the dead with him and live
forever. When it's that time, So

1113
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:21.680
the Bible talks about you must confess
with you. You must believe in your

1114
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:27.760
heart the Lord Jesus was believed that
he died for your sins and rose from

1115
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:30.800
the dead. You must confess him
with your mouth and say, Jesus,

1116
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.640
be Lord of my life. I
give my life to you. I understand.

1117
01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:36.920
I'm a sinner. I repent.
I'm willing to turn from my sin

1118
01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:42.680
and be your disciple. And if
you do that from the heart, you

1119
01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:46.880
mean what you say, and then
you follow it up with actions. The

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01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:50.680
Bible says in romans Ay that the
Holy Spirit will come and bear witness with

1121
01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:55.479
your spirit. You're a child of
God. And when you feel that exchange,

1122
01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:00.399
when you feel that peace and love
and you know your spirit has been

1123
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:04.359
regenerated or born again, you will
have the witness of the Holy Spirit.

1124
01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:08.399
You will know what happened. I
like my old pastor you say, if

1125
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:10.560
you be saved and not know it, you could lose it and not miss

1126
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:15.319
it. And and salvation is a
supernatural That's why g said you must be

1127
01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:18.560
born again, and that born again
experience is a supernatural experience. John John

1128
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:23.880
Wesley called it be his heart felt
strangely warned, you know, it's an

1129
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:28.840
experience with the Lord. And you
just know my sins are forgiven. He

1130
01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:31.680
loves me, He's my savior,
he's my creator. He died on that

1131
01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:33.960
cross from me. He rose from
the dead. The Bible is true.

1132
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.399
He was born to that virgin.
He lived a sibler's life. I mean,

1133
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:42.199
you just know it and you receive
it and then you're but you're willing

1134
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:44.800
to repent. And this is what
a lot of churches don't teach anymore.

1135
01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:47.800
And that is okay. I before
you know, when I was nineteen years

1136
01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:50.199
old, he came back to Jesus
man. I was a drunkard, I

1137
01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:56.119
was a drug user. I was
a sexual pervert and into all kinds of

1138
01:22:56.159 --> 01:23:00.920
sexual immorality and pornography and everything else
and get going out the bars and get

1139
01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:04.840
into bar fights. I mean it
was just horrible, right. Well,

1140
01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:09.359
I know the Bible says about those
sins, and I knew how the Holy

1141
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:13.880
Spirit made revealed to me about so
I knew I had to repent, meaning

1142
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:16.079
I had to turn away from those
things. It was turning in a new

1143
01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:18.199
you know, the Bible says if
any man be at Christ, he's a

1144
01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:21.880
new creation. Old things are passed
away, all things become new. So

1145
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:26.560
there's this repentance where you say,
Jesus, I really and a lot of

1146
01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:32.399
Christians and were never taught this is
to say, I surrender. I surrender

1147
01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:39.159
my life to you. I will
try my best to obey you from the

1148
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:42.399
scriptures, what what the Bible says, and what your Holy Spirit leads me

1149
01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:45.039
to do. But from this point
on, I'm yours. You know.

1150
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:47.560
I had plans to go back at
the time, when I was nineteen years

1151
01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:49.439
old, I was on summer break. I had plans to go back to

1152
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:56.000
play football at Troy University here in
Alabama. I had plans to continue my

1153
01:23:56.119 --> 01:23:59.119
modeling movie career that was opening up
for me. I had all kinds of

1154
01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:02.199
things going. I had my own
plans. And when I came to Jesus

1155
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:06.520
and said, Lord, you're my
Lord. Now I surrendered my life to

1156
01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:10.119
you. Whatever you want me to
do. And I tell people all the

1157
01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:15.000
time, it's like Saul on the
road to Damascus and asked nine when Jesus

1158
01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:16.000
appeared to him, and he said, Lord, who are you? And

1159
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:20.680
he said, I'm Jesus, whom
you are persecuting. The moment Paul understood

1160
01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:25.880
who Jesus was and what he had
done for him, Paul said, look,

1161
01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:28.720
Paul said to the to the Lord, what were you having me to

1162
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.920
do? It was that total surrender. I'm done with my life. I'm

1163
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:35.479
done with the sin. I'm done
even with my own plans that aren't sin.

1164
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:39.239
Right, I'm done, Jesus,
your lord of my life. I'm

1165
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:43.239
gonna fall eve. And if you
do that from the heart, he will

1166
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:47.439
come in manifest himself to you,
he promised, and he will reveal himself

1167
01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:51.960
to you. And it's it becomes
a real relationship. It's not religion.

1168
01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:58.279
And that's what you have to do
to be saved. It's some people say

1169
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:00.680
it's not complicated, but it is. You know what I'm saying. It's

1170
01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:05.800
it's not. But all of those
aspects have to become real to you.

1171
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:10.960
And then some people even get to
the point where you know, my life

1172
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:14.520
is a disaster, and they'll say, Jesus, if you're real, I

1173
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:17.199
ask you to forgive me, and
I ask you to save me and come

1174
01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:21.079
into my life and change me.
Sometimes and it boom, it happens,

1175
01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:26.880
you know, But it is an
experience with the Lord. It's it's it's

1176
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:30.680
something that you will know happen.
But you can't have this idea. Like

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01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:34.239
there's a lot of people that are
like saying adultery or fornication, or they're

1178
01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:39.439
into their drugs or drunkenness. You
know, they're habitually getting drunk and party

1179
01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:41.600
in and stuff, and they think, well, I could just ask Jesus

1180
01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:45.000
to forgive me and be my lord
and savior and I'm gonna keep doing these

1181
01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:49.560
things. And that right there shows
you you're not yet. You don't yet

1182
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:58.000
understand what price has been paid for
you and what you really need to do

1183
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.840
to surrender to him fully. Try
and and if you will surrender to him

1184
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:05.079
fully, you will be born again. You will be saved, and the

1185
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:09.079
Holy Spirit will let you know that
it's happened. You won't be doubting.

1186
01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:14.960
You'll know, yeah, it was. It was a powerful thing when I

1187
01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:17.800
was born again. Amen, Thank
you so much. For this last ninety

1188
01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:20.680
minutes, but before we go,
can you please remind everybody where they can

1189
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:25.279
find you and your work. Absolutely? Uh, And I don't want to

1190
01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:28.279
say I appreciate you having me on, brother, it's fun. I know

1191
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:31.399
it's funny. I kind of thought
we were just gonna talk about biblical cosmology

1192
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:35.039
of flat Earth. The podcast goes, it goes in and now the whole

1193
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:38.840
time we're all over but place.
Yeah, yeah, it's fine. But

1194
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:43.439
main spot to go to would be
Dean Odel dot org. So my name

1195
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:45.640
d E A n like the dean
of the school and Odel O d l

1196
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:49.680
E. So Deanodel dot org has
everything. It's has our bookstore, it

1197
01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:56.279
has the videos. We also have
some of our ministry schools. So we

1198
01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:59.800
also have a ministry school. I'd
mentioned that fire grade school ministry that we've

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01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:04.720
started in twenty eighteen and we already
had five graduating classes, and so we

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01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:10.239
have some of those videos on there. We have the all the deliverance,

1201
01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:15.159
the spiritual warfare videos are there.
We have the deliverance outline if people need

1202
01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:17.319
deliverance, so we got all kind
of stuff there. We also have Firing

1203
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:20.399
Grace Church dot org, which is
our other website for the church, but

1204
01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:26.039
more more stuffs on the dnodal dot
org side. And then you know,

1205
01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:29.640
I got kicked off of YouTube,
but we're still on Facebook. So Denodal

1206
01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:34.520
Ministries on Facebook, Firing Grace Church
on Facebook Rumble. Just search f GC

1207
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:39.920
on Rumble. All of our videos
are there as well. And then if

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01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:45.479
you want my email, it's simply
dean Odal one one one at yahoo dot

1209
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:50.479
com. So dnodal one on one
at yahoo dot com. And the church

1210
01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:55.359
has a web an email address and
all that. So there's many ways to

1211
01:27:55.479 --> 01:28:00.960
contact us. But we we have
my wife and one hired staff person that

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helps me with thousands of emails and
questions in comments. We do try to

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answer everybody, but if we don't, just keep keep being persistent, we

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will get to you. But you
can order books from us. It's it's

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actually cheaper to order from us than
it is to order from Amazon. So

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if you want to order one of
the books like Clay into the Seal,

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it's better to order it from our
bookstore denodle dot org instead of going through

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Amazon. So but anyway, that's
that's where we are, and you're not

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going to find a lot of you. You know, my videos. You

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used to could search like like,
for instance, the government government documents admit

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flat Earth one of our most popular
videos. Right you search for that,

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you're not gonna find it now.
Google's not gonna lead you to it.

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It's gone from YouTube. So you
have to go to our website. And

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we do have videos listed by topics, so like you can go videos listed

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by topic and it'll say Biblical Create
there's one to sevenfold doctrine of creation.

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That's by itself. That series.
Everybody needs to watch that whole series.

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It's a lot of stuff to watch, but it's I go into some some

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stuff that's not even in my book
that I learned later about the ether,

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and it's amazing. But all of
that is there, and and it's all

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free. I mean, that's stuff. All the videos you watch for free.

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We don't charge for deliverance. I
mean the books, we do charge

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for that because we have to buy
more. But that's the only reason,

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you know, we we we just
bought four thousand dollars worth of books to

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go to the conference in South Carolina, and we won't make that back off

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of so we don't. It's it's
not about selling books you know it's right.

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And then thank you so much for
sharing your story. Thank you so

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much for everything you do. Thanks
for taking the time to reach back out

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to me. And I know this
is uh where we're gonna get a lot

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of feedback. You'll get a lot
of feedback, and I really hope we

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can do this again down the road. There's so much to talk about in

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all these realms. It's hard to
to to get to everything in ninety minutes.

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But you have been a blessing and
thank you for sharing all your knowledge,

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and most importantly, from the bottom
of my heart, thank you for

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the conviction that you have like many
posters don't have. They may know the

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truth, but there's a lot of
them out there that are afraid to so

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for that. God bless you,
and thank you well. Thank you brother.

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It great to meet you and great
to be on your show. God

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bless thank you all everyone. And
by the way, all his information,

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as you guys know, we'll put
it in the show description, so you

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want to have to search for it
is rubble channel website. Everything will be

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in the show description, so you
can just click and it'll take you right

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to the site for Pastor d noodle. I'm George jobs God bless each and

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every one of you, and we'll
talk to you again real soon. Go

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through my head which way do A
follow? What happens to moble? And

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do you and Nope, you can
guide the way. Sometimes I give up

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just want to be even in the
darkest times, you'll get feel So I

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lean on you when I've lost my
way, I keep holding on for a

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better day. I lean on you
when the world straight. I left my

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heart open so you hear my brain. I left my heart open so you'll

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hear my brain. In times I
had to change, and when hope is

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fading, I know I can turn
to your own brace because there's so much

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beauty. I do your heaven and
I'm braveful every day. Sometimes I give

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up, just wanna feel my own
m even in the darkest times. You'll

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give me hope. So I need
on you and I lost mine. I

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keep holding note for a better day. I lean on you. In the

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world a straight, I left my
heart open so you'll hear my bread.

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I left my heart open so you'll
hear my bread. I mean I lost

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my I keep going for a better
day. I say my heart so you'll

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hum up, Saw, you'll hum
up. You're listening to the Fact Hunter

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Radio Network, Just the Facts,
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