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Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of
the Flat Earth Files. As you can see, we have a very special
guest. Well, if you're listening to the podcast, I guess you can't
see, but we have a very special guest. His name is Pastor Dean
Odle. He's a Pentecostal minister who has preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ across
the United States, Africa, Israel and other parts of the world. He's
seen many people saved, miraculously healed and delivered from demons through the power of
Jesus Christ. And he's also authored Grace Abuse, one of the greatest hindrances
to genuine revival, in nineteen ninety eight. He is also It's like Clay
under the Seal, which for you watching on video you can see right here
and you can find that on DNO dot org. In the recent years,
the Lord has led Dean to focus on end times Bible prophecy and exposing the
Satanic deception of these last days. He and his wife Pastor fire in Grace
Church in Auburn, Alabama, and again you can find all his work on
Dean Odel dot Org. Ladies and gentlemen, help me welcome Pastor Dean Odldan.
Thank you so much for taking the time to join us today. Absolutely,
thank you for having me. Brother. Yeah, so let's kick it
off, and if you would give an introduction to the folks, let him
know a little bit about yourself in your background. Yeah, we've been in
the ministry now, for goodness, we're going on thirty seven years here.
Been preaching since I was nineteen years old, studying the Bible since I was
you know, really heavy, since I was nineteen and then, uh,
you know, did different things. Started a church in Montgomery, Alabama nineteen
ninety five, that until two thousand and two, multiple trips in Nigeria,
the island of mauritiuss Middle East to preach. And there's another book I authored
in twenty eleven and twelve, authored a book called the Polluted Church From Rome
to Kansas, City. And then also a book called The Holy Spirit Tongues
of Fire. That one we we we've had for a long time. We
just had a free PDF, but we recently put it in print as well.
But just been writing books. And we started a church here in two
thousand and nine called Fire Grace Church in my hometown. I have to explain
to people ople like in Auburn. Everybody's heard of Auburn University, so it
wells and I'm big Alburn fan, but we opal like a Alabama and Alburn,
Alabama. They're like twin city right next to each other. I mean
you drive from one year in the other and so we just call it the
open like Auburn area. So the church was initially in Auburn, but now
we're in opal Like. So uh but you know that's kind of splitting hairs.
Were just letting people know, you know, we got we have visitors
from all over the world that come and visit us here in Opelikans and you
know, just trying to follow Jesus and do what he tells me to do.
That's what we do. That's amazing. Now, before we get into
biblical cosmology, I have to ask the polluted church from Rome to Kansas City.
I think most people get the Rome part. Why Kansas City Kansas City
is because that happens to be the home of the group called Eyehop. And
it's not about the pancakes. It's the International House of Prayers started by Mike
Bickle. And the reason I use him is because I show how the contemplative
occult mysticism that crept into the Catholic Church very early on from the Desert Fathers,
going back around two fifty BC AD, I mean in that time period,
and then as the Roman Catholic Church started in three thirteen that counterfeit mysticism
that they try to put Christian terms on, but it's really satanic and it's
dema. It has to do with visualization techniques and mantra type prayers. And
I just show in the book how that that started back then, and even
I can show some of the stuff from the Old Testament, some of the
old cults there, but how that it crept into what's called Christianity. And
then how many evangelical and not just charismatic churches or Pentecostal churches, of many
Baptist, Methodist Presbyterian churches have been swept into this and lured into this deception
through a thing called because what they put they put the term contemplative prayer on
it. But Jesus said, you don't use vain repetitions as the healing do.
And a lot of this is based on using repetitions like saying Jesus or
phrases over and over again. We're talking about thousands of times in an hour,
you know, just saying it over and over again. And these are
the same type techniques used in witchcraft and Satanism, in Islamic Sufiism, in
Kabbalah. Uh, you know, it's Buddhism, Induism. It's that mantra
type repetitive prayer. And she said, don't do it, and so what
that that opens the door to demonic infiltration into people's lives and deceptions. So
I took it that to go this. You know, this goes way back
to the early Roman Catholic Church all the way to our current Some of our
big, well known current ministries have adopted this stuff. And I've seen it
calls great, great harm to christians lives to get into that. Whenever we
disobey as a Christian, whenever we get into disobedience to something the Lord taught.
Clearly we're getting into trouble, yeah, for sure. And people like
Mike Bickle, who you know, I'm just looking at us by real quick.
I guess he held a conference back in twenty ten where you had twenty
five thousand young adults. So it means do you think he actually is understanding
what he's doing or do you think he's unintentionally leading these people down the wrong
traill? That one's hard, that's hard to say because well, another one
of my problems is that when any Protestant church be against to try to link
itself back up with the Roman Catholic Church, that's a problem. That is
a big red flag right there. And so he's been really big about trying
to reunite Protestant Christianity with Roman Catholicism, having joint conferences with Roman Catholics,
pushing Roman Catholic books in to his students of his ministry school. That's my
big problem there. When you start pushing Roman Catholicism is a system of idolatry.
It's that plaint. I mean, when you bow to statues and you
kiss the feet off of statues, when you pray to Mary. When you
call Mary a co redeemer and the co media mediator with Jesus, and you
call her having been born without sin and all this other nonsense, you really
have a system of idolatry. And idolatry is a sin of the death.
Meaning if you habitually practice idolatry, according to Phesians five, and if you
habitually practice idolatry, then the Bible says that you will not inherit the Kingdom
of God, you won't go to it. Idolatry is a serious sin,
and so it has to be confessed and repented of. And so when I
see people praying to marry and bound down the statues and uh there that you
can't have another that's if you want the definition of idolatry. That's it,
Yeah, right there. And so whenever I see a church any whenever,
I don't care if it's Mike Bickle or anybody, start trying to cozy up
to the Roman Catholic Church, I'm like, you're going down the raw road,
brothers sister. Now, I don't know if he if he's doing it
on purpose, or if he's just deceived himself, but I hope he stops,
but to take truth. I wrote the book in two thousand, well,
I wrote it during two thousand and eleven, published it in two thousand
and twelve, and as of today, they're still pushing Roman Catholic books.
You know, at Roman Catholic mysticism, and it's just a mixture of you
know, bad stuff that you know, you figure someone would like him,
would certainly have a lot of college under his belt, and you would think
that somebody would understand where the word Protestant comes from. It was all about
protesting Catholicism, going back to Martin Luther and of course what went back there
in the fifteen hundreds and and to see and listen, I saw it too.
I was in a Methodist church where they would say the Apostles creed.
You're standing there in a Protestant church saying I believe in the Holy Catholic Church,
the Communion of Saints, and that you can see, you know,
they whether the individuals again like you said, where it's intentional, but you
can see there's a lot of entities out there that are trying to bring this
one world government and a one world religion, right. Yeah. Well,
and to there's what I call soft Christians out there that they think their idea
of you, of of love and unity is ignoring sin and gross doctrinal error,
you know, And that's not the unity taught in the Bible. The
unity taught Bible is when we agree and have the same mind and the same
purpose, and we agree on what the Bible teaches and we stick to that.
That's unity, compromising and accepting anything and everything in calling that love and
calling unity is a deception itself. And so that's that's what some Christians fall
for. Again. It's just they have the right intention, but the wrong
understanding and the wrong balance. Because God does not tolerate false doctrine or gross
unrepentant sin. He's going to deal with that, you know. That's right.
And I'm glad you mentioned that because I remember in one of your Great
Eschatology series, the Great End Time Delusion, you I think you actually started
out maybe it was part two when you kind of went deep into Catholicism where
you said that there's a lot of good people within the ranks of the Catholic
Church. And I think that's important to understand to put out there. Yeah,
and that's why Jesus says it I believe that mystery Babylon the great in
Revelation seventeen and eighteen, I believe it's the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican,
and the Jesuits and their hold on the whole world. And in it
specifically says too, a lot of people say it's the United States and all
this other stuff, But it says her colors are scarlet and purple. That's
the colors of the bishops and cardinals of Rome. And it says that she
is that great city that reigneth over the kings of the earth. Well,
that's a president tense Greek verb. When John wrote that in eighteen ninety five,
and that great city that was ruling the world was the city of Rome.
But he is very clear that the Roman Catholic Church is that mystery Babylon
and is deceiving the whole world. And there can be no there can be
no compromise with her. There can be no you know, going down road
with her. You have to. And you know, jes said then in
eighteen, in chapter eighteen, he says to the people that are in there,
the good people, he says, come out of her, my people,
you know. So I tell people all the time that he wouldn't say
that if none of his people were in there. And I've met a lot
of good, very devouts sincere Roman Catholics that are serving Jesus the best they
know how and and they mean good. And you know, the Roman Calolic
Church itself does do good, like when it comes to good you know,
trying to help the poor and the homeless, and their anti abortion. I
mean, they've got some good things that they say and do, and they
get people, that's how they get people involved. We're doing good things,
and a lot of it is traditional because families were just Roman Catholic. And
then you know, it just continues and then there's people, like said,
there's people that find Jesus, they're born again through faith in his death and
resurrection. They find Jesus not because of the Roman Catholic leadership and hierarchy.
They actually find him in spite of all that nonsense and try to serve the
Lord. So but I do believe the Lord wants them to come out of
that organization because it is full of occult mysticism and idolatry and demonic supernatural things.
And of course the current Pope Francis is the worst pope in modern time.
Yeah, I mean I thought nobody could beat John Fault the second.
But this guy is a he's a Jesuit, so I mean he is out
there. He's saying everything from homosexuals go to Heaven, to atheists go to
Heaven, to you know, this is basically basically he's even shocking a lot
of Roman Catholics. He's so bad. He's the first Jesuit pope, right,
yes, the first Jesuit pope. And that wasn't by accident, no,
absolutely not. And then going back to mystery Babylon, it also mentions
the Seven Hills, right, yes, the city on seven Hills, very
very and it says she is drunk with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.
And there's not another entity institution on the face of the earth that's killed
more true Christians as then the Roman Catholic Church. I mean, that's what
the Pilgrims fled from the cup start, you know, a fresh start of
getting away from that and having freedom. The Spanish Inquisition, I mean,
you just talk about Rome killing millions on millions on millions of Christians over those
you know, centuries there, and you know that's not America. That's not
what America has known for. And we've only been around for you know,
not even three hundred years, and they've been around for a long time.
So it's it's to me, it's clear. And even when you get over
into eighteen, when it starts talking about the economic uh things about my talk
about that she's the biggest exporter of wine, and guess what that's not the
United States if you look at it, it's Italy and France. That's right.
When you talk about fine hour Italy and you talk about all these other
things, pearls, even Italy, I mean, everything it lists there points
you back to the Roman Catholic Church. That's interesting. And they've got they've
got far more influence than most people even realize. Yeah, they actually own
half of Israel and they own land like all over the world. Yes,
yeah, and they have riches and we're thirty three trillion dollars in dead.
We're like a guy if we had a credit score, it'd be like one
eighty that they gave country's credit scores. Have you ever heard of pair in
hoods? Not off? The tape on my head doesn't bring up? Okay,
you over to look her up she was like a lawyer for the World
Bank or the IMF, one of those. I can't remember which ones she
worked for, but basically she was doing an audit and she became a whistleblower.
I can't believe she came out and said what she did, but she
said that pretty much like the United States, we raise about two million dollars
in taxes, I mean two trillion in taxes every year on average. She
says, it's sixty percent of that goes to the Jesuits, to the Vatican,
and forty percent of it go to the illuminati families. Wow, And
I said, what you know, I'm thinking, what do we how do
we survive weird debt? And we set up drug drug shark teals. We
become the drug card teal. Absolutely, So that's that's how the government of
the United States funds itself pretty much black operations and everything. But we're that's
why we're trillions in debt because all of our stuff, I mean, think
about this, we say we take into trading and taxes and we spend two
trillion. That's you shouldn't be breaking eating the tray. But we don't know
that's even close. Have you ever seen the debt clock. You go on
there once. I think we went thirty nine billion dollars overnight the other night,
thirty billion overnight. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah, and you're
right about the drugs. That's why they're always pushing war. They got the
poppies from Afghanistan. The same was in Vietnam. And that's what it's all
about. And by the way, kind of evolving to the Biblical cosmology,
if you will, I do believe that NASA is also a form of a
slush fund for the powers that be, because remember when they have these military
contracts, when they asked for those bolts, Well, I just can't be
a regular bolt from lows and I know it's got to be a bolt that
will work in the ISS. It's very special. It's a three hundred dollars
bolt, right. Yeah. Remember if a minute bends day, it's twenty
thousand dollars hammer, a forty thousand dollars toilet. Yeah yeah, yeah.
I was in the military and I did contract in and it's just unreal.
People would just they just really don't understand. I do want to kind of
get into your awakening to flatter at the Biblical cosmology. How you came upon
that, Well, it was in twenty fifteen, probably in early twenty fifteen,
the Holy Spirit spoke to me. You know, I'd pray and fast,
and you know, I believe God still speaks to his people today through
you know, through the Bible primarily, but we can still hear him by
the Spirit as well. And he spoke to me one day in priority.
He said, I have something else to show you. And it's big,
that's what he said. But I have something And I thought, you know,
I've already taught on things that are controversial and that most churches don't touch
with a gen food poll. So I thought, wasn't the world else could
it be? You know, I talked about the Nephelim, I've talked about
the alien deception. I talked about deliverance for Christians. I mean, you
talk about controversial and of course being a Pentecostal, believing in the gifts of
the Holy Spirit are still for today. I mean I just catch all kinds
of you know, Hell from every direction. And so a few months later
I had a friend of mine who was in Hollywood. He's out of Hollywood
by now. He had come to the Lord and I was kind of disciple
in him and mentoring him long distance and encouraging him and trying to get him
to get out of there sure, you know, before they try to kill
him. And anyway, he would send me stuff, you know, and
front time to time and then ask questions. And so he sent me this
question that I had no idea what he was even asking. He said,
does firmament earth ring a bell? And I'm like, what is he talking
about? You know, I have no idea. And he sent me a
video and I thought, oh great, And I was really busy and I
thought it was like a thirty minute video and I'm like, and I can't
even answer, Sam if I don't watch this video because I have no idea
of what he means. So, you know, I thought I knew what
the firmam it was, but I thought, what does he mean by that?
You know? And when I turned the video on, it did it?
Initially? He said nothing about flat earth? Right? So I turned
this video on and it starts immediately, It starts that shift between NASA picture
ISS nineteen ninety seven versus twenty fifteen. And I was like, oh,
wait a minute, because they already didn't believe the moon landing, and it
was like, oh, it was like the Holy Spirit came on me,
like I felt him come over, like I know exactly what this is away
and so he got into the Nassa deception first the video did, and then
it showed it like about midway this the flat earth, this is this is
our and I knew it was true. I knew it was true immediately instinctively
by from the Lord. But then the second part of the video went into
the Bible scriptures on it. So then I'm pulling out my Bible, I'm
pulling out my concordance. This isn't going through everything. And I'm looking up
the Hebrew and Greek words and I'm like, oh my god, this is
all true. How have I been blinded to this? How have I not
seen this? It was like it was like being saved all over again,
being born again all over Again's like it was in two. It was like
I felt a big burden lift off of me because wow, this is a
big law, yeah, and this is a big lie that do if if
anybody would have walked up to me before that that day and said, passioning,
you don't believe all of God's word I would have said, you're a
liar. I believe God's word in Genesis, the Revelation, I believe it's
true. I believe it's God inspired in Eric, the Holy Truth, the
Holy Word of God. And I realized I had I had listened to man
over God, and that really you want to talk about me being convicted and
having to repent. And and then I spent the next few you know,
weeks, just I couldn't hardly sleep. I was studying this, researching,
uh, digging into it, did get reading, starting to read the old
books about it, and starting to look at you know, and then of
course, back then that was the heyday of when YouTube was still free.
You know, you could you actually got suggestions of videos that you were watching
that were linked to other, you know, similar videos. You know,
you got the recommendations that were correct and so rhythm actually work, you know.
Yeah, And so then I started seeing, you know, looking at
a few other people that had had their eyes open, and of course I
went through the I just you know, I just started I listened to everything
both you know, we got some new agers in this thing, and some
atheists and unbelievers and some Christians were involved. But what really couldn't convince to
me was I knew NASA was lying and I knew the Bible was true once
all that came together, So for me, it was just it was easy.
And then one day I prayed because I was like, Lord, what
do I do? Because we had a podcast back then and people were starting
to ask where do you stand on this flat earth thing? And I hadn't
said anything publicly, and I said, well, I want to address that,
And so I prayed and I said, Lord, you know, we
had already had built kind of a following just from our church and the ministry
we had here, and the especially the end time stuff that I was covering
that a lot of people don't wouldn't especially back then, a lot of people
weren't covering. And so I was praying about it, and I said,
Lord, should I Should I preach it and teach it publicly or not?
Do I go down this road or not? Am I going to run people
off from your word and make him think we're just crazy lunatics? Or is
this something you want me to pursue? And he spoke to me very clearly,
and he said, have I ever told you to hold back anything from
my word? I said, no, sir, And so November, so
within a month, I preached it to our church. I didn't broadcast it
publicly because I just wanted our church to hear it and see how they reacted.
And and then I was amazed just the reception. I nearly our whole
church. I mean, I said, I think I lost maybe one or
two families over it, but but the ninety five percent of our church just
saw it. The Word of God's true, that's it. And then and
the journey began, I mean it exploded after that. I mean I had
a video that had the Bible does say flatter. That video had like a
million views before YouTube took it down so and terminated my YouTube channels, you
know, in twenty twenty. So, but we had, you know,
we had a lot of videos. We still have some out there that's you
know, fifty thousand, one hundred thousand views. But you know, then
of course after that, I became you know, we just had people tuning
in and coming from from everywhere to visit the church. And then I was
asked to speak at the first Flatters International Conference in Raleigh, North Carolina,
and that was a whole interesting you know, I don't know the next level
doorway to walk through, and God just moved mighty and that gave me what
to present and and it's just continued to expand from there. We started our
own conferences where we do Biblical cosmology and end time prophecy together, and we
started those Skyfall conferences in twenty eighteen, so we had them in twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. We skipped twenty twenty one and twenty twenty
two because I was running for governor of Alabama and we were traveling all over.
But we did do a deliberate seminar in twenty twenty one, which is
a one day thing. But then we just had a twenty twenty three skyfall
back in June, and it was amazing, and I did a whole Biblical
cosmology one O one, but a lot of stuff like stuff that I did
that when viral was stuff like I did the government documents say flat Earth.
I dug into the CIA for you documents on flat Earth, and I did
two two hour presentations on just government documents that admit that we live on a
non rotating flat earth, and that went crazy viral. Of course, early
on I got the bicard, the the I say, I have it in
my office, the Popular Science nineteen thirty one edition. That's right, balloon
was flat disc with upturned edge. And yeah, and I was the first
one to like kind of present that out there, that with crazy viral and
this just been wild is you know things that things have been wild. I
did a series in twenty twenty that's that really it was like a nine part
series called the Sevenfold Doctrine of Creation that really gotten out there. And then
I wrote, of course, I wrote the book. I wrote the like
Lay under the Zeal in twenty nineteen and published it. It's gone all over
the place, and you know, just try to be faithful to the Lord.
You know, as a pastor, this is not the only topic I
focus on, right, but it is one of the main topics I deal
with. Yeah, I'll tell you one of the things that I didn't anticipate
or realized when I started this podcast because when I anytime I presented it on
the fact Tunnard, it seemed to be a very divisive topic. So I
thought, well, I'll just do my own just a flat Earth podcast.
And I didn't realize holy at the time that when people understand flat Earth,
they realize is that there's a creator. And we've gotten so many emails from
people who were either that had, you know, kind of fallen away from
God or had never been a Christian in the first place. And it's an
overwhelming experience to get, you know, messages like that where And that's why
I'm really encouraged trying to hear people like you, because I understand the conviction
you have and the message you received from God. But still as a man,
I'm sure that out of all the sermons you ever gave, when you
stood in front of the church that day and you gave the very first biblical
cosmology presentation, you had to be nervous, thinking, I've worked so hard
to build this congregation, and I understand again as a man of conviction,
you felt, you'll like you had to say it, but there had to
be a little bit of nervousness about presenting this and how that would be received
from the congregation. Well, I can say I was kind of more nervous
when it first hit me, but by the when I'm fully convinced that something
is true, yeah, and it's and it's and then of course biblical as
well. That's that's like when I'm convinced, I just really don't care.
And I'd be honest with you if they'd all walked out the door that day.
I'm going to stand with God's truth no matter what men and women and
whoever choose to do, because that's just who we have to be. Because
you know, there was a point where Jesus, you know, John six,
where he was talking some things that they didn't understand about, you know,
drinking his blood and eating his body. Of course he was talking about
spiritually speaking, and they were freaking out. They finally said, this is
a hard saying. Who can bear it? You know? And it says
from that time many of his disciples went back and walk no more with it.
And you don't see Jesus chasing them down, that's right, you know,
and there is and that's what's wrong to you the truth. That's what's
wrong with American Christianity and Western Christianity in general, is that we're too afraid
of what people think. And oh, I'm afraid to preach the Word of
God from Genesis to Revelation because we're afraid we're gonna lose, you know.
I call it Nichols and noses. People are going to walk out of the
door with their money, and that should never be the motive of a church,
and have a pastor or any kind of minister of the gospel should never
be. I've got to keep the crowd happy, so I keep the money,
right. I mean, once you do that, you might as well
be Roman Catholic. Yeah, hanging up, you know, you might as
well start selling indulgences because that's what you're doing. And so I've always believed
we're supposed to preach the word of God straightforward. You know, like Paul
said to the Ephesians in Acts twenty, he said, I gave you the
whole counsel of God's word. I held nothing back. I gave you everything.
And and so you walk away from that going I can stand before God
and not worry about blood being on my hands and being told that I didn't
tell the truth and therefore I caused others to stumble and end up in hell
forever. I'm not going to stand before for anybody about that, you know
that. Like I've told our church many times, I said, y'all can
lead. That's fine. I'll retire. I don't care. I think I'm
like, I'm not in this for the money. It's not a you know,
I'm not. When I came here fourteen years ago to start five,
I said, I'm not. I'm not here to build a mega church.
I'm here to tell the truth. And so I said, our church will
never be big, and it's not. I mean, we got about eighteen
people in our church, and you know, I mean we got a bigger
online falls. I mean, we got what we call our extended church out
there that we wish they could be here, but they just have to watch.
But I'm not going to compromise God's word. Period. That's fantastic.
I wanted to mention going back to the conference, you actually you had spoken
before you had a chance to meet Rob Ski, But what were your thoughts
on Rob? Well, you know, Rob and I we talked on the
phone before I went to Raleigh in twenty seventeen, and the confortation. You
know, I love Rob and I loved that he took a stand for biblical
cosmology. Yeah, he and I probably would have been great friends and had
to work been able to work together a lot more if he hadn't gone down
the Hebrew Roots tour road where he was where he got to the point,
you've been saving and if you eat baking you're going to hell. I mean,
I have that video clip. So he and I budded heaads on what
is new Jessie mc christianity. Do we have to go back and keep the
old covenant laws and sabbaths and feasts and wears zat ze eats and not eat
pork? And you know, do we have to go back and do all
that? Or do we do we walk in a new covenant that is a
bit different than the old Covenant and you know, quite a bit different in
fact. But so we we we had that battle, but I still loved
I loved Rob, and I think Rob loved me. I mean, even
though we budded heads hard on that and when we went, I mean,
there's a funny picture I'm where when and Raleigh where you know, we got
our arms around each other and Rob commented underneeds and said this is how law
and grace should be at work together. But he acted like I was some
big grace preacher. But I actually my first book was Grace Abuse, about
not abusing God's grace and living a life of disobedience and indulgence of sin.
So I don't know that. That was disheartening to me. You know,
I wish we had several phone calls after Raleigh and that were yelling back and
forth at each other and you know, trying to get him the city that
you know, you can't make that those requirements on people. I kind of
like Peter and Paul and Galicia, you know, button heads over it.
Uh, you know, Paul telling Peter you don't you gotta stop trying to
make the Gentiles live as the Jews, and then he told Peter a Jew,
you don't even live like a Jew, and you know, and Paul
rebuked him heavily. So we had our head budding thing, and you know,
he and I were sick, actually on our deathbed, both of it.
I was about at the same time that he had COVID weld fall of
twenty one, Yes, August August twenty one. But then he went in
the hospital. Yeah. I told my wife and said, don't put me
in the hospital. I said, I'm not going. I don't care.
I said, I don't care about I get. My oxygen levels got down
to eighty two. I had to be having an oxygen jim machine at home.
But I wouldn't go to the hospital, and I had a doctor getting
me at ivermectin protocols and all the that went with it, and I mean,
I got the death door, but I made it, but sadly robbed
it and he, uh, they made the terrible I don't know who made
the decision. I know for him to go into the hospital. It was
a terrible mistake. I knew when I heard that he went in the hospital
and he probably wasn't gonna get out, and you know, I mean,
we had a friend here, what pastor friend of mine that lives in Montgomery
that so he would He went into the hospital really bad, and they were
trying to put him on it then later and it was just a big fiasco.
But we we got him to lead, like two am in the morning,
just get up and walk out before they did all that to it.
And he survived. We got him hydroxychloricuin protocol and he got better and survived
and he's still with us today. But that again, Rob's death and that
whole situation is really really sad and really troubling. And I hated for his
wife and son and but yeah, she came out and spoke recently. I
saw a clip on YouTube, but I think it was within the last three
or four months, and I heard her talk about that going to the hospital
and the protocol they did, and it's I mean, you know, I
don't want to go down this road in this podcast, but it's infuriating because
we know what the end result was ninety nine percent of the time when they
brought out the brim deservere and the intubation. Yes, oh yeah, that's
a death sentence. Yeah, if you survived the ventilator and m Dezevie,
it's a miracle of God. I mean, it really is, because that's
a that's a two pronged death attack right there on. And and there,
you know, here we go again. They're trying to ramp this up again,
sir, you know, and everybody. You know, I got some
people thinking, oh, Pastor Dean must be in the club, you know,
he must be part of the your controlling position, because I ran for
governor. But the Holy Spirit Lord told me to run for governor of Alabama
during all that to confront all that in speech after speech across our state,
too massive crowds, to the media, to everybody, I said, don't
go to the hospital. Don't get on a ventilator, don't take m dezevie.
I mean, I was preaching this. I'm saying, we've got this.
You know our governor won't do anything about it, and so I just
know God wanted me. I traveled seventy thousand miles across our state. I've
spoke at I don't know, probably a couple of hundred events. I was
on CBS forty two and Birmingham I was. I was on the biggest talk
radio stations saying the hydroxy I've ever met and protocol saved my life, saved
people in my family's lives, and you know, we could save a lot.
I mean, people were dying in Alabama at the time. We had
twenty thousand plus die here in Alabama, and I was like we there was
It was no sense that doctor Peter McCullough said, you know, if we
would have given the early treatment protocols I ever met in our hydroxy floric when
with the protocol, we could have saved eighty five percent or more of the
people who died during that time period. So Rob's life could have been saved.
There's a lot of the people's lives that could have been saved. And
so that's that's why I ran for governor because I knew I needed to go
shout this from the rooftops. And I mean I knew they were gonna cheat
me in the election and everything else which they did. We saw them.
We saw the cheating of the voting totals and all that stuff. But I
don't care. I did what the Lord wanted me to do, and I
got to preach Jesus and flat earth biblical cosmology on television here on radio here.
I had. You wouldn't believe the people that read my book in this
state. I mean we're talking about political leaders across the state have my book
in their house. So that's that's why God had me do it. And
he may have me do something again. And if he tells me to do
something in the political realm again, I will, you know, just to
be a light for Jesus in the midst of all that darkness. Yeah,
there is a lot of darkness, and I should kind of follow up on
that. At least here in Delaware. They closed the churches down. So
how did you handle your church and what were the protocols in your state?
How did that work out? With twenty twenty. Yeah, early on they
tried to shut down our churches, and there were some veiled threats at arresting
pastor in churches that kept going. But we actually when they first everything kind
of hit, like on that first Sunday when they went crazy. We didn't
do that Sunday. We were just said okay, and we already had one
guy that had gotten sick with COVID, so if that was the other pastor
because he has he has church on Saturdays and they come over here. But
after that, I said, oh no, we're not shutting down anything,
and if they arrest me, they're resting. So out of the whole thing.
We shut down one Sunday just too, because we didn't want something to
spread that had already hit here, right, you know. But other than
that, we were like nah. And then Alabama, Alabama. No one
in Alabama actually went to the step of arresting a pastor. Now, they
did have it in Louisiana and in Florida that I know of it, maybe
others I think in California too, but not not here, So I don't
think. I think they were a lot of talking, you know, but
we didn't. We didn't shut down and the most churches did. Most churches
did here again again, if the mainstream media is your news source and your
source of information, you're going to be deceived. That's just the way it
is. Yeah. And our governor, oh, I was just gonna say,
our governor, we have our own version of Biden here. Oh I
was that. I was at a breakfast of pancake breakfast with her sitting like
five feet away, and she couldn't cut her pancakes. I don't know who
really running the show here, but it's not her. It's the same people
running right, So probably. And then she was the one that got up
there and said, I mean what I think one of the stupidest statements from
a governor during all that, she said, the vaccinate, it's the vat
it's the unvaccinated people that are letting us down. It's it's it's not the
regular folks. So she called us unvaccinated votes that we're not the regular volks
and we're letting everybody down. That everybody had up. Of course we'll get
to choose. It's non essential, we go true. Yeah, yeah,
nol Nell. It's yeah. That they're even coming out on the mainstream media
saying yeah, most of the people in the hospital are are the vaccinated.
You don't see a lot of unvaccinated. Uh regret out there for sure.
But the reason I brought that up is because you mentioned thing. I said.
Everything I said in sermons and in political speeches from twenty twenty to twenty
twenty two that I warned them about that I told them was going to happen.
Every single thing happened, even when I got shut down and censored for
in the Alabama press about the even about the COVID being from the wet market,
I said, no, it was. It was a bio weapon made
to laugh. Yeah, I got shut down for that, and now the
Director of National Intelligence is admitting it. So I have no regrets brother than
that, right there, none at all. That's I'll tell you. On
the on the flat earth bibical cosmology. One of the funniest thing I was
getting interviewed by CBS forty two News in Birmingham. I was in the studio
and where they were recording. It wasn't live, but they were recording our
and so we're standing at a podium you know that's going across like this,
you know, a long table type podium type thing, and she's on one
end of it and I'm on the other. She's interview I mean, she
so she asked me two questions and then she goes, so you believe Earth's
flat? And I said, well, I said, I believe the Biblical
version. I said, I don't believe with the flat Earth Society's nonsense that,
you know. I said, that's all not true. I believe the
Biblical version. And she did across the table and went over the edge like
and she goes like this, and I said no, and she just kind
of looked twist at her head like she couldn't fathom what I was talking about.
Anyway, long story short after the after the interview was over, her
and her producer sat down and wanted to talk to me. We talked for
an hour and she wanted my book and I signed it for and gave it
to her, you know, the interviewer at CBS News. So there was
there was a lot of cool stuff like that that happened. That's incredible,
that's awesome. The reason I brought that up though, because you'd mentioned earlier
when you said where you were trusting in Man, not in God as far
as like NASA and the Bible. COVID was kind of that same story.
They took the word of a guy who was in a white lab coat who
they've never met before personally over God, right, they put their hope into
man. Yeah, And there was no excuses even in that because you know,
doctor Didier Rowl to France came out with the hydroxy cloric and protocol with
using the zitromycin and the zinc and he treated it was one thousand and eight
patients there, and I'm talking about early on, like in February, and
he'd only had like six five or six people die and they were like over
seventy five years old, and so he really showed you could save people with
this, and he came out with it publicly the end of February, and
it was him and a couple of other doctors that got Trump's attention about that,
and that's when Trump spoke it in March, like March seventeenth, eighteenth
of twenty twenty, said hydroxy Clarkland looks to be a game changer. And
had our nation gone down that road fully and listened to the doctors who were
doing the research and treating patients and seeing success, we could have saved a
lot of lives. But you know, the agenda of the of the illuminati
and the cabal whatever you want to call them, the Luciferians, the Satanists,
the elitists that run everything that's that wasn't the game plant. So they
had to crush or try to destroy that that protocol that would have saved a
lot of people's lives, and they and it's very evil what was done.
And so that's that that bugged me the most, because it's not just Christians
should have known the devil's trying to shut down your church. God said,
don't forsake the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is, especially
when you see the day approaching. In the last days, so even now
we're supposed to meet together. The whole definition of church is the assembly the
believers, right, it means coming together, and that was what the devil
was attacking that, and so pastors should have taken Hebrews ten twenty five and
said, no, sorry, if you take us to jail, we're like
Peter and John and James. It will just go to jail, you know,
I mean, that's just the way it's it should be, and that
it will come to that in the day's ahead, you know, yeah,
yeah, they will put us in Yeah. And I was just gonna say,
somebody said the other day, you know, never man, how did
he say? It's something about you don't ever adhere to man's law that infringes
on God's law. I think it's kind of what it said. Well,
it's in Acts five. I think it's verse twenty nine, something like twenty
something, but it says, you know, we all to obey God rather
than men. There there comes a point. I mean, I believe we're
supposed to do our best to live in peace with the government, you know,
around us. But the moment they infringe upon what God has commanded us
to do and our natural God given rights, we are to say no,
and we are to resist. We don't blindly. There's a bunch of preachers
out there, preacher Romans thirteen is if we're to blindly follow evil, wicked
government and they we're not supposed to. You see the disciples willing to go
to jail and be killed by not obeying decrees from the Roman government. I
mean it's that simple. I mean Caesar demanded that they bow and declare him
to be God. They said, no, we're not doing that, you
know, and the penalty for a lot of them was death, you know.
Yep. And I do want to get to in a little bit.
I want to get to where you think we are in kind of end times,
but I want to touch back a little bit more on flat Earth.
And something that resonated with me, which you spoke about, was, I
guess after you came upon flat earth Biblical cosmology going back and reading the books,
specifically Genesis, for me, it made and before it was more of
it. I just meant every I understood everything. For me, the three
big things that really stood out after I woke up was the flood, the
firmament obviously, you know Psalm's nineteen one talks about the firmament, which happens
to be on Warner von Bronze headstone. But something that I didn't come upon
it till later, and then it really clicked was Genesis eleven, I believe,
which was the Tower of Babbel. And if if you know this world
was really heliocentrical, where were they building the tower too? Because the book
specifically says they were using brick and mortar. Uh, you know, it's
not an analogy or anything was they were trying to build to get into the
firmament. So those things really took a whole new meaning for me. And
God said about the Tower of Babbel, he said, if he didn't stop
them, that they would succeed. Yeah. So, and so I think
about this. We know as certain altitudes are gets really thin. So we
also know that it wasn't just human beings building the Tower of Babble. They
had assistance I believe from fallen angels were assisting them. I think the same
thing. In fact, when the series I just went through the great En
Time Delusion on the alien UFO phenomena, it's clear that NASA and there's there's,
there's people that NASA admitting that a lot of their advancements of technology and
different things they've been admitted that I have the American Cosmic the book, the
guy admits that this thing right here was created by what he called alien technology
and help from aliens. Well, we know who the aliens really are,
that fallen demon spirits. And so I think you have the same thing going
on with NASA. NASA NASA being and I point this out in the book
NASA being established by former SS Nazi officers and thirty third degree Freemasons pulls into
this, and of course Jack Parsons being Alistair Finley Jack, Yeah, when
we live Crowley and all of that together shows that they were operating and worn
of on. Braun admits it that they were operating and with intelligences beyond our
world. And so you're talking about people who are deeply The SS officers were
real society. I mean they were in some into some dark satanic occult practices.
You bring those things together, you're going you're getting not just a a
rocket and military organization. You have a spiritual organization. And their their spiritual
purpose, I believe, was to deceive man concerning creation absolute to suppress the
truth of creation, which Romans one says, they would know the truths about
creation as suppress it. And that's what they have actively done because they worked
for sake. Now, a lot of people tell me, you know,
we have we have a big branch of NASA right here in Alabama and Hunt,
Alabama, and werder Ron Braun lived here for a while, worked here
for a walk on the Saturday by rockets, and I have a lot of
people that, well, my grandpa will work for NASA, and he was
a welder and he's the sweetest man in the world, and he would never
lie to me. And I'm like, he probably didn't know a thing about
it. I mean, I said, they built rockets. They built them,
and you know, and I spent hours digging into the NASA technical manuals
and formally classified documents, and I know exactly what NASA does. It was
all for reconnaissance. They were all reconnaissance vehicles. Even the so called Space
Shuttle was recon building. But you try to explain to people, look,
institutions like that, the FBI, the CIA that you name it, the
NSA, Pentagon, the Department of Justice, all these big institutions are so
compartmentalized that not everybody who works there is going to know what's going on at
the top. It's only a need to know basis. But the people at
the top have known for years the truth that the Earth is flat and non
rotating, and they know that it's the ether they're in and not outer space.
And you know, they know they have to build things about how they
really work here on the world that God has created for us, and they
have to build their planes and rockets to fly ordinately. That's why it's in
all their technical manuals and documents. So yeah, but put out the lies
because think about this that Paul said in the Romans. One of the biggest
witness that there is a creator is the creation. And the specifics about the
creation that are in the Bible proved that the Bible knew ahead of time,
right, exactly what the Earth looks like and how it's designed and the nature
of the sun, moving stars and all that, and so what's what happened?
Isn't this Like I have a whole chapter in my book like Playing of
the zeal Chapter six is all about atheist has come to Jesus? Well,
why have these atheists coming to Jesus like I've never seen before? Because once
they see the evidence, and once they begin to read the Bible and say,
oh, God, the Bible has been saying this for thousands of years,
about what the firm about the firmament, about the stationary aspect of Earth's
about the flatness of earth, about what's underneath and what's above, and they
figure that out and they go, Bible is true. The God of the
Bible, a god of Abraham. Isaagain, Jacob the Lord Jesus Christ of
Nazard, He's the Creator, He's the true God. I'm going to turn
my life over to him because of creation. You find any atheist, especially
in the university setting, and you ask them, even if they were once
sympathetic Christians, are you know, even Christians in the name only? And
they they said, well, I went to college and when I found out
Genesis one wasn't true, you know, after the Big Bang and all the
other nonsense that NASA has given us. And Roman Catholic priest actually came up
with a big Bang theory. Yea, once once you once you to realize
that that's what's turned away many, many, many, I'm talking we're about
millions of people have been turned away from believing the Bible is true and thus
turned away from believing in Jesus Christ as to be their savior and Lord,
their messiah. So when you look at it that way, I have people
all the time creases are like, well, what does it matter? I'm
like, oh, my Lord, what does it matter? If if we
don't get Genesis one right, then whine believe the rest of it. It's
like having a house on a solid foundation. Right. Creation is mentioned in
book after book after book. I mean John, the Gospel of John.
John one starts out talking about the creation. Paul starts Romans one. He's
talking about creation. I mean it's in Proverbs, it's in Psalms. I
mean, it's it's in Isaiah. It's through the whole thing. So you
start throwing you throw that out and say, oh, that wasn't right.
Then can we believe any of it? So what are what are they teaching
in seminary, like, for instance, the church down the street, they
believe, I asked them. They believed that it was the Big Bang theory,
but God was in charge, like because God's all encompassing. And I
said to them, but what does the Bible say? And it's just they
look at you. They give you that that deer in the headlights the stair.
This is what you know. I had a pastor back and when in
nineteen late nineteen eighties, I was in Dallas, Texas well on the suburb
rock Wall, Texas, doctor Larry Ley Big Church Rock Church on the Rock,
rock Wall, Texas. And he was a PhD. Had two he
had two doctorates from Southwestern Baptist the Theological Seminary there for Word Texas. I
mean, so the guy was you know, I mean he was trained by
them. But he said in his graduate class at Southwestern Theological Seminary in the
early seventies that they were teaching that the first eleven chapters of Genesis was a
true myth, and they said, the theological implications are true, but they're
probably would never manning, madam. They're probably would ever mending thoughah. And
so that's what's been taught in seminaries for decades. And then you have the
people like doctor Michael Heiser, which I appreciate the fact that Heiser would stand
up and teach in his seminary. You know, he was the founder of
Logo software. He's a big, well known theologian that just passed away recently.
But he taught the Hebrew cosmology. He said that the Hebrew, the
Bible teaches Moses Joshua Era taught a three tiered system that the third heaven is
where the throne of God is. The second heaven is the solid firmament of
some type of crystalline glass structure. God's throne sits upon it, and it's
actually called heaven. So there's three heavens, Paul said, And then he
said our atmosphere. Right, the earth is flat, he said, and
underneath it, it sits on its pillars, and underneath it is hell,
the underworld. And he taught this in seminary and then said had the audacity
to say, well, they just wrote what they knew and what they understood,
but we know better today. And so that's what's called the doctrine of
accommodation. So what you're saying, though, when you say that, is
you're saying that the Bible is not inspired by God, that it is not
God breathed and exactly what God moved on men to say. And if you
say so, either you're denying the divine inspiration of scripture when you say that,
or you're denying you're saying God lied to them if you say, God
spoke to them, but he just didn't want to tell them the way it
really was. So you have a big choice. You either are gonna believe
this nonsense and and there's no way then you put together the Big Bang theory
and the biblical outline of creation, they don't go to get No, it's
like trying to mix a wool and water. I'm sorry, God didn't say
it was that way. And look if he if God can create, I'll
say this way, if God can create the universe, if you're gonna say,
I believe God created the earth, the sun and the moon, the
stars, or you know, you believe in the vast universe nonsense, And
you believe God can create all that, But he can't give us a holy
Bible, you know, a book and get it right and and and preserve
it to us. He didn't have it. He can create, you know,
stars and suns and moons and earth, but he can't create a book
and keep it right. That's that's that's about the stupidest. But that's just
the foolish way man thinks. But it's it's because we've been so say and
is good at deception. I mean, he's just good at it. But
as for a born again Christian, for a Christian, you're one of the
first foundations of your faith has to be the Bible is the truth. It
is the God's truth. It is the inspired, infallible, inerrant word of
God. Jesus said, man shall not live by bread alone, but by
every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. He said, heaven and
earth will pass away, my words will not pass away. Uh. You
know in Psalms he said, I will preserve my word from this generation and
forever. So I believe again what Jesus said, and I believe God's word.
And so when you get to that word firmament, what is it?
What is it? I mean it. There were pastors. This guy used
to call pastors. You know, I don't know if you solve the videos.
It was hilarious. He would call pastors and just say, you know,
I've been studying the Bible and I had a question from Genesis, what
is the firmament it? And it was hilarious. I would just sit there
and laugh because that some one guy said it was the earth. The firmament
was the earth. And he goes, well, the Bible says the sun
and the moon are inside at the firmament, so that would mean the sun
and the moon are inside the earth. And the guy and then the pastor
said, oh no, no, it didn't be that, couldn't you know
You're you're like, dude, if you don't know, just be honest to
say, I don't know, right, but when you look up the word
when you look up the word rock yahya and the Hebrew word and you look
up in multiple lexicons, you know Hebrew lexicons, and you look up.
I've got the complete works of Josephas, who was the first century Jewish historian,
was probably a Pharisee as well, the one who testified of Jesus and
his miracles. And he says in the beginning of the Complete Works of Josephs
he says, there's a crystalline firmament over the earth, right, so we
know what they believe. And these are guys who spoke Hebrew and read Hebrew
and knew what was passed down from their generations of their fathers, and they
had the scriptures and they believed them, you see. And so we go
and we find rocky a means a solid structure that has been beaten out and
stretched out in a curved fashion, all right. And and then you start
looking up stuff about that covering. You find out the sky when you know
in Joke thirty seven, when it talks about the sky being hard, firm,
like a like molten glass, and you see Ezekiel calling it the terrible
crystal that is over our heads, and the throne of God sits upon it.
You see Isaiah forty where he says God sits upon the circle of the
Earth and looks at us like we're grasshoppers, right, and calls it like
a tent. And you know, I have never seen a tent, and
it looks like a spherical ball. I've never in my life. And he
said, the Earth's like a tent, you know, stretched out, it's
got a flat by atom and it's got a covering over it. So you
know, you start digging into these words and you know exactly what they mean.
And I watch Christian Creation, it's like doctor Danny Fault there and others
lie and say, no, that word just means an expanse, right,
They'll say, oh, it just means it expects. So they're they're trying
to say it means out of space. But then again, everywhere you find
the word used, it means to beat or pound or hammer something solid into
a shape. To expand a solid is what it means. And so I
just that's why one of my chapters in my book is like, you know,
the firmament, actually it's called the Firmament and Dishonest Creations. That just
blasts them on that. But but when you talk about the firmament and it
talks about there's waters above it and wachs below and then and you know,
you go on in Genesis when the flood happened, and it says it rained
and the windows of heaven were open. That's right, and Great Deep was
broken up, so you have three different sources of water going on there to
flood the whole world. And I mean it all again, once you realize
the truth about Biblical cosmology and look at what the words really saying and what
the words are really defined as, it all makes sense. Like you said,
even from even from Genesis one to the flood of Noah, those things
make sense absolutely, you know. And that was what a lot of people
tell me. It's like for the first time. Once I realized all this
and understood it all the true Biblical cosmology creation model, it's like now the
whole Bible makes sense. Yeah, it's like it all fits together now.
And you know Joshua telling the sun and the moon to stand still, that
makes sense now. You know. Before I understood this, and when my
eyes were still blinded to this, that was the passage that bothered me the
most. I would read that and go, I don't get this, because
I truly believe the Bible was the inspired, infallible word of God, and
it was true and correct. But I my mind couldn't even wrap around a
different understanding of cosmology because I've never heard it. I never even it never
come into my mind, so I had nothing to compare it to. But
I would say to the Lord, well, I didn't pray. I said,
I don't get I don't understand this. And I think because I always
wanted to understand. I think that's why he finally helped me understand, because
I was always hungry to know that what what all that meant? Ye,
And I think that I mean, I don't even know. I just I
just kind of went on an there, I'm sorry, No, no,
you're good. And I think what you just said it's the perfect embodiment of
people always say, hey, I'm trying to my wife, my sister,
my friend, my mom. I try to explain flutterth, but they shut
me down. You have to be at a portion of your life when you're
ready to accept it. It goes back to the whole. You can lead
the horse to water, but it's up to them to drink it. They
have to be in a place in their life when they're ready to open up
to it and all that. You know, we've done almost undered interviews and
the common theme is breadcrumbs, less is more, leave make them curious,
because if you come out with all the information, in many cases, it's
just going to drive them away. So what you said there is perfect.
And when you mentioned something that just gets under my skin is when I hear
these people say, oh, yeah, the people back then, we're just
they weren't very smart. Those people back then were so in touch with the
earth. They understood how everything with the moon, the stars, how the
medicines of the earth. Now we're so brainwashed we think dandelions are terrible and
they're one of the most powerful things that God gave us and we spray them
with roundup, which causes cancer. And we're so hypocritical where we say,
oh, those folks back them had no clue what they were doing. What
we've been brainwashed to think what's good is bad and what's bad is good.
And the last thing I wanted to touch on was like you were talking about
the Copernicus kind of rent with it, but there was a guy before him
who was who kind of created you know, people talk about Pythagoras back in
the day, but we know history. It was Nicolas, Nicholas of Cusa,
Nicholas of another Roman Catholic, like the late fourteen hundreds, right,
he was, Yeah, he was the one that brought up the whole concept
of the Earth can't be at the center, and there has to be this
vast universe and there has to be other planets. I mean, he he
just made up this stuff. I believe it was just Satanic inspiration, of
course, But again yet another Catholic priest. Imagine that. Yeah, they're
they're deep in this. There was another Roman Catholic what was her names?
Oh god, what was her name? I just recently found out about her.
She I think it was oh gosh, I can't remember. But anyway,
she she was in the sixteen hundreds, and she was in so deep
into Roman Catholic mysticism that she was astral project or what they called by locating
or whatever she do that. And see she said in the sixteen hundreds that
she during one of her astral soul journeys out into she flew over the earth
and saw it as a round sphere. Bennet down, lean out. There's
another was that CARLINI? No, what was it? She was Sister Mary
something you know what? Hang on, yes, what I know? I
have it in my notes right here. I don't know why I can't remember
the name, but I have it in my notes. I got so many
notes in this thought I was doing the America. Well, I say,
no, I understand, trust me. I got. That's how I came
to you. I get every time somebody emails me because you can't get to
her right away, put it in my notes. And then you know,
after about twenty emails saying you got to check out Pastor Odal, I was
like, well, I better check this guy out. Yeah, here it
is. This is Her name was Sister Mary of Agreda. That's uh ag.
I may be saying it wrong, but a g R. E.
D A. She was a Spanish nun who lived in the sixteen hundred.
She was a mystique and she wrote books about the Virgin Mary. But yeah
it was, and she wrote books about cosmologies and actually they got burned and
rejected. But she was one of the first that was out doing again.
Occult mysticism connected just to ac cult practices like the Nazis, like the Freemasons,
like these others, and seeing the earth as a sphere and bringing that
back to the Catholic Church. So you got to think about Copernicus. He
came into this. He was a Catholic, he was he was clearly a
Catholic, we know that. And again he was embracing he was studying these
Catholic mystics, and he was studying hermeticism, which put the sun at the
center and was sun worship. And so when you put together what he was
studying, it's really a belief system he created. It was a mystical beliefs.
It was not a scientific observation. Because even Einstein admitted that both the
heliocentric and the geocentric views work as a model in the sense of because you
have either you have everything else moving in a circular motion over the Earth,
or you got the Earth moving in a circular motion. It's that circular motion
that's the only true thing, or dealing with what is moving, you know.
But Einstein admitted that, he admitted that both models you could make sense
out of, you know, in the sense, I mean, we know
a lot of there's this foolishness, but they think ours is foolishness. But
of course, again it's just what you're deciding. But but a lot of
this came from Roman Catholic mysticism, and it's Satanic. It's it's Satanic inspired
because once look, once you start like this sister, what did I say,
or named Mary of Agrida. Yeah, once you start worshiping Mary and
praying to Mary, that's idolatry. Well, Paul said in First Corinthians Team,
the moment you commit the sin of idolatry, he said. The idol's
not anything, he said, but you when you do it, that commit
that sin, he said, you are fellowshipping with demons. At the moment
you start fellowshipping with demons and allowing them into your life, then other experiences
begin to happen, like astral projection, soul travel by location, levitation which
a lot of them did, the stigmatas you know, just open wounds and
bleeding, and the Satans power and can do you know, miraculous or supernatural
things. And so that's why again I pointed this out during the the series
I did on the the Alien Ufo phenomena, that's the great end time delusion.
And I tied in the Roman Catholics because so much of this comes from
because they are operating and intertwined with the demonic forces, and all of this
stuff is working. Yeah, this is why they're embracing. The Vatican even
now is embracing the UFO Alien agenda and pushing it forth because they are controlled
now. The Catholic Church is fully controlled in its hierarchy and its institution.
Its leadership is completely in Satan's hand for his use in the in the in
fact, well theodoscope named Lucy shouldn't shock us about Yeah, it shouldn't shock
us about him. A counterfeit cosmology creation model, you know, he just
he he wants his own following. Let's put it out. I think a
lot of it is mockery too, right, because Jesus was the son of
God. They put the son, as you won, at the center of
the universe. And then of course there's all the crazy numerology that goes with
it as well, all the six six sixes. That this is a good
time to bring this question up, because we're kind of going down that path.
One of the hot questions on the podcast within the last month, and
I see it's kind of been all over YouTube too, is the talk about
the Trinity. What is your thoughts on the trinity. Okay, you know,
the traditional definition of the trinity is one God, three persons, father,
son, and Holy Spirit, and those three though our make up the
one God hit And I don't disagree with that except in the sense of I
don't think most people understand how it works. And I kind of explain it
this way. I say, you have to look at first Thessalonians five twenty
three. Paul said, I pray God that your old spirit, soul and
body brief, preserved blameless under the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. So
each human being, you, me, everybody, we have a spirit,
a soul, and a body, and those three things, those three parts
that make us up are very distinct, very different, our spirits, it's
a different and they're different Greek words there, right, there's numa, there's
suke, there's you know, the flesh, there's the sarks whatever. So
you've got the three different words, and you've got the three So and then
we go back to Genesis one six. It says that God created us in
his image. Well, if if I'm three distinct parts but one person,
there's not three deans, right, right, But I do have a spirit,
soul, and body. Now as a Christian is a born again Christian
walking with Jesus and being truly saved and my sins washed away. And I'm
ready to die. And if I die right now, the Bible says to
be absolute from the bodies, to be present of the Lord. So immediately
there's going to be a separation between my spirit and my soul. Are gonna
go to Heaven to be with the Lord. My body is going to go
in the grave until the second coming of Jesus, when my body is resurrected
and made immortal and reunited with my spirit and soul. So what I point
out to people, if God created us in his image and we are a
three in one being, then He is a three in one being. But
just like our parts can separate from one another, and which is do this
all the time through demonic power. They will ask you project out of their
body and go and watch and view and listen to things in other areas.
This is well known in the occult world. It's called remote viewing. The
CIA calls it remote viewing. That's they've been They've been studying it and pushing
it for years. That's right. But our spirit, soul it and then
Solomon talked about it being connected with the silver cord and all that stuff.
So Shirley mcclaimed, she got to the New Age and the Satanic mantra Buddhist
meditation she asked for projected up into the sky into space and was saw the
civil cord connected to our body. The reason I'm saying all that is is
that I believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are one
God with three very distinct parts. You can say persons, you can say
parts. Whatever. What I'm saying is, if my spirit is standing over
here, it's the spirit of deep. If my soul is standing over here,
that is the soul of Dean. And my body's here, it's the
body of being. But it's it's You get what I'm saying. Absolutely So,
whether you're seeing the Father in manifestation or the Son or the Holy Spirit
working like when Jesus was baptizing, you're still seeing You're seeing God, but
him him manifesting himself in his very three distinct ways. But he's one,
and that's why he could say, you know, like Paul wrote in Colossians
chapter two, eight nine, he said, Jesus is the fullness of the
Godhead, modeling, meaning he's fully God in the flesh. The Bible teaches
uh you know Isaiah UH nine six, the one we'd like to quote around
Christmas time, but it really has to do it. It's more powerful.
And it says the son will be given, right a son. So you
got a father and a son. The son will be given, and the
government will be upon his shoulders, and his name will be called wonderful counselor
the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father. And so that you have Philip in
John fourteen saying, show us, you know, jeeus, show us the
Father and it'll it'll satisfy us. And he said, have you not seen
me? Do you not know me? Philip? If you've seen me,
you've seen the Father. I mean, that's a strong statement here. I
believe in the one God. He's one. The Bible says, he's one
front in the old Sentisman and the Duchess. He's one God, three very
distinct parts that are all fully God. Just he is just. He just
has a distinct, three distinct parts. And that's what again we are.
We used three distinct parts. But there you don't see three deans stand again,
you know. And then I'll say this too. I saw it in
a vision form. And and I'm not one of those that has a vision
every day. Okay, there's visions that you can have in dreams. There's
visions that God can show you, like in your mind, I call a
closed vision. But I had a powerful encounter with Jesus in nineteen eighty seven
when I when I redicated my life to him, repented of my sin and
said, Lord, my life is yours. A few months after that,
I am sitting in a room, you know, in my house, two
three am in the morning, I'm praying. I'm up praying, and over
in the corner, you know, it's just dark in the room. Over
in the corner there's no window. An opening begins to open up, and
I mean and and light coming through it. And basically just like just like
Stephen when he was being stolen, it was like he said, I see,
I saw the glory. I mean, it's like I saw the throne.
It was open up to me, and I saw the glory of the
Father. And I saw Jesus standing like in that light around him. You
know, it's like huge, just it was it was almost brighter than the
sun, Like it was so bright you couldn't almost couldn't see him, but
I could see Jesus and his robe and everything, and then over him,
extending out of that light, the brightness of that light, I saw the
wings of the Dove, the Holy Spirit, and I know I was looking
at the Trinity. I was looking at the three distinct aspects of God.
But what I'm seeing there is the fullness of God. Now I couldn't see
into that light and see everything clearly, but I will tell you this that
the power I felt from God. And I'm talking about the anointing and power
of the Holy Spirit, like when you get saved or feel with the Holy
Spirit. I mean it is you feel the peace of God, the joy,
the love. I mean you're just enveloped in it. When you're born
again. Take that feeling and met and magnify it by about a hundred.
It was so strong that I actually thought the Lord was coming, and I
said, I can't take anymore. Like I tend to tell him, it
wasn't painful, but I could say I knew I wasn't going to be able
to stay conscious. It was overwhelming heat it if he didn't ease up.
Sure. Now some people say, well, you know your experience doesn't establish
doctrine. No, but I just gave you scripture as to why I believe
he's one, but yet three distinct parts, and those parts can separate from
one another, and it doesn't diminish that it's him in any way. You
get what I'm saying, whether it's a holy spirit or you see Jesus or
you seeing the Father as like they did with his feet and the glory,
you know River Moses was not allowed to see him fully. You know,
it was like he got to be in the glory of God and he got
to see his feet, and he got to see his back, but he
didn't get to see the fullness. And I didn't get to see the fullness
of it. But you know, Paul even admitted though that this is a
mystery, that it's a thing that's difficult for Christians to grasp. But I
will say this, people need to remember every single cult in the world,
whether it be Islam or Joba Witnesses or Mormons or whatever, tried to diminish
Jesus into being just a man who was filled with the Holy Spirit that God
used, or they try to just make him the son, which he was
the Word before he became the Son, and the word was with God,
and the word was God. And you know, so if as long as
I tell people, as long as you believe that Jesus Christ is fully God
in the flesh, you are not in error and you won't be deceived.
But if you start believing Jesus is just a man, or he's just a
man who understood his divinity and became a God or whatever, then you you're
going to be terribly to see because Jesus is not He's not just a man,
He's not just the Son. He is fully the image of God,
the fo like like God had for God to have a physical image. That's
Jesus sawesome. Thank you so much for sharing that, and thank you for
being so generous with your time. But before we go for now, and
I really hope you'll join us again down the road. Oh, I wanted
to ask you this. There's either someone watching this video, we're listening to
this podcast right now. If there's someone listening and watching right now, how
can they how can they be saved? You know, it's it's you know,
first of all, I will say this a person, you know,
I believe Jesus said, and John he said, I'm if I be lifted
up, I will draw them into me. So the Holy Spirit is drawing
people. And what that means when the Holy spirits drawing you is it might
not feel comfortable at first, because he beguins to convict you and convince you
that your life is in a bad place, like you are sinning and rebelling
against the God of Creation, and so that it's uncomfortable, But that's actually
a good thing. So I remember when you know, when I came to
the Lord, the Holy Spirit began to convince me that I was a sinner
and I needed a savior, and I need I needed my sins washed away.
I needed to be made right with God. And that is a revelation
that you have to get. And you have to understand that Jesus didn't come
to call thee think they're righteous. He came to call sinners to repentance.
And that what he really means all all have sin and come short of the
glory of God, the Bible says. But what he was saying there is
people who finally admit, yeah, you know what, I'm a sinner and
my sins have offended a holy God. And I basically have committed crimes against
the creator of the universe and heaven and earth. And need I need a
way to deal with that. Well, the way to deal with that is
Jesus came God in the flesh. He was born of the Virgin, and
he lived a sinless life. And then he became the sacrifice, the atonement
for my sin. And he died in my place because he took sin upon
him, my sin, your sin. Everyone say. He took the sins
of all man kind on himself, and then he died for our He paid
the penalty, the suffering, the shedding of his blood, and then finally
death, and he paid that price so that we could be forgiven. And
you got to realize he just a man, a normal man, could not
have done that for us. Any some man dying for us. It's not
going to wash our sins away. It had to be God in the flesh,
and it had to be sinless, spotless. He had to be the
sinless, spotless lamb of God. And so you have to believe that Jesus
died for your sins and that he is the only one that can wash those
sins away and give you forgiveness and then give you eternal life, and of
course you have to believe he rose from the dead bodily rose from the dead
on the third day, because you have to know that he is your entire
life. Because he rose from the dead and lives forever, you will rise
from the dead with him and live forever. When it's that time, So
the Bible talks about you must confess with you. You must believe in your
heart the Lord Jesus was believed that he died for your sins and rose from
the dead. You must confess him with your mouth and say, Jesus,
be Lord of my life. I give my life to you. I understand.
I'm a sinner. I repent. I'm willing to turn from my sin
and be your disciple. And if you do that from the heart, you
mean what you say, and then you follow it up with actions. The
Bible says in romans Ay that the Holy Spirit will come and bear witness with
your spirit. You're a child of God. And when you feel that exchange,
when you feel that peace and love and you know your spirit has been
regenerated or born again, you will have the witness of the Holy Spirit.
You will know what happened. I like my old pastor you say, if
you be saved and not know it, you could lose it and not miss
it. And and salvation is a supernatural That's why g said you must be
born again, and that born again experience is a supernatural experience. John John
Wesley called it be his heart felt strangely warned, you know, it's an
experience with the Lord. And you just know my sins are forgiven. He
loves me, He's my savior, he's my creator. He died on that
cross from me. He rose from the dead. The Bible is true.
He was born to that virgin. He lived a sibler's life. I mean,
you just know it and you receive it and then you're but you're willing
to repent. And this is what a lot of churches don't teach anymore.
And that is okay. I before you know, when I was nineteen years
old, he came back to Jesus man. I was a drunkard, I
was a drug user. I was a sexual pervert and into all kinds of
sexual immorality and pornography and everything else and get going out the bars and get
into bar fights. I mean it was just horrible, right. Well,
I know the Bible says about those sins, and I knew how the Holy
Spirit made revealed to me about so I knew I had to repent, meaning
I had to turn away from those things. It was turning in a new
you know, the Bible says if any man be at Christ, he's a
new creation. Old things are passed away, all things become new. So
there's this repentance where you say, Jesus, I really and a lot of
Christians and were never taught this is to say, I surrender. I surrender
my life to you. I will try my best to obey you from the
scriptures, what what the Bible says, and what your Holy Spirit leads me
to do. But from this point on, I'm yours. You know.
I had plans to go back at the time, when I was nineteen years
old, I was on summer break. I had plans to go back to
play football at Troy University here in Alabama. I had plans to continue my
modeling movie career that was opening up for me. I had all kinds of
things going. I had my own plans. And when I came to Jesus
and said, Lord, you're my Lord. Now I surrendered my life to
you. Whatever you want me to do. And I tell people all the
time, it's like Saul on the road to Damascus and asked nine when Jesus
appeared to him, and he said, Lord, who are you? And
he said, I'm Jesus, whom you are persecuting. The moment Paul understood
who Jesus was and what he had done for him, Paul said, look,
Paul said to the to the Lord, what were you having me to
do? It was that total surrender. I'm done with my life. I'm
done with the sin. I'm done even with my own plans that aren't sin.
Right, I'm done, Jesus, your lord of my life. I'm
gonna fall eve. And if you do that from the heart, he will
come in manifest himself to you, he promised, and he will reveal himself
to you. And it's it becomes a real relationship. It's not religion.
And that's what you have to do to be saved. It's some people say
it's not complicated, but it is. You know what I'm saying. It's
it's not. But all of those aspects have to become real to you.
And then some people even get to the point where you know, my life
is a disaster, and they'll say, Jesus, if you're real, I
ask you to forgive me, and I ask you to save me and come
into my life and change me. Sometimes and it boom, it happens,
you know, But it is an experience with the Lord. It's it's it's
something that you will know happen. But you can't have this idea. Like
there's a lot of people that are like saying adultery or fornication, or they're
into their drugs or drunkenness. You know, they're habitually getting drunk and party
in and stuff, and they think, well, I could just ask Jesus
to forgive me and be my lord and savior and I'm gonna keep doing these
things. And that right there shows you you're not yet. You don't yet
understand what price has been paid for you and what you really need to do
to surrender to him fully. Try and and if you will surrender to him
fully, you will be born again. You will be saved, and the
Holy Spirit will let you know that it's happened. You won't be doubting.
You'll know, yeah, it was. It was a powerful thing when I
was born again. Amen, Thank you so much. For this last ninety
minutes, but before we go, can you please remind everybody where they can
find you and your work. Absolutely? Uh, And I don't want to
say I appreciate you having me on, brother, it's fun. I know
it's funny. I kind of thought we were just gonna talk about biblical cosmology
of flat Earth. The podcast goes, it goes in and now the whole
time we're all over but place. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. But
main spot to go to would be Dean Odel dot org. So my name
d E A n like the dean of the school and Odel O d l
E. So Deanodel dot org has everything. It's has our bookstore, it
has the videos. We also have some of our ministry schools. So we
also have a ministry school. I'd mentioned that fire grade school ministry that we've
started in twenty eighteen and we already had five graduating classes, and so we
have some of those videos on there. We have the all the deliverance,
the spiritual warfare videos are there. We have the deliverance outline if people need
deliverance, so we got all kind of stuff there. We also have Firing
Grace Church dot org, which is our other website for the church, but
more more stuffs on the dnodal dot org side. And then you know,
I got kicked off of YouTube, but we're still on Facebook. So Denodal
Ministries on Facebook, Firing Grace Church on Facebook Rumble. Just search f GC
on Rumble. All of our videos are there as well. And then if
you want my email, it's simply dean Odal one one one at yahoo dot
com. So dnodal one on one at yahoo dot com. And the church
has a web an email address and all that. So there's many ways to
contact us. But we we have my wife and one hired staff person that
helps me with thousands of emails and questions in comments. We do try to
answer everybody, but if we don't, just keep keep being persistent, we
will get to you. But you can order books from us. It's it's
actually cheaper to order from us than it is to order from Amazon. So
if you want to order one of the books like Clay into the Seal,
it's better to order it from our bookstore denodle dot org instead of going through
Amazon. So but anyway, that's that's where we are, and you're not
going to find a lot of you. You know, my videos. You
used to could search like like, for instance, the government government documents admit
flat Earth one of our most popular videos. Right you search for that,
you're not gonna find it now. Google's not gonna lead you to it.
It's gone from YouTube. So you have to go to our website. And
we do have videos listed by topics, so like you can go videos listed
by topic and it'll say Biblical Create there's one to sevenfold doctrine of creation.
That's by itself. That series. Everybody needs to watch that whole series.
It's a lot of stuff to watch, but it's I go into some some
stuff that's not even in my book that I learned later about the ether,
and it's amazing. But all of that is there, and and it's all
free. I mean, that's stuff. All the videos you watch for free.
We don't charge for deliverance. I mean the books, we do charge
for that because we have to buy more. But that's the only reason,
you know, we we we just bought four thousand dollars worth of books to
go to the conference in South Carolina, and we won't make that back off
of so we don't. It's it's not about selling books you know it's right.
And then thank you so much for sharing your story. Thank you so
much for everything you do. Thanks for taking the time to reach back out
to me. And I know this is uh where we're gonna get a lot
of feedback. You'll get a lot of feedback, and I really hope we
can do this again down the road. There's so much to talk about in
all these realms. It's hard to to to get to everything in ninety minutes.
But you have been a blessing and thank you for sharing all your knowledge,
and most importantly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for
the conviction that you have like many posters don't have. They may know the
truth, but there's a lot of them out there that are afraid to so
for that. God bless you, and thank you well. Thank you brother.
It great to meet you and great to be on your show. God
bless thank you all everyone. And by the way, all his information,
as you guys know, we'll put it in the show description, so you
want to have to search for it is rubble channel website. Everything will be
in the show description, so you can just click and it'll take you right
to the site for Pastor d noodle. I'm George jobs God bless each and
every one of you, and we'll talk to you again real soon. Go
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