WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:39.799 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning about you. But 2 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:46.200 I am here in the thick of a atmospheric river and it doesn't want to 3 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:50.799 go away, and you know, you got to get your exercise in. 4 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:55.479 And luckily I have invested in and this is a couple of years ago, 5 00:00:55.679 --> 00:01:00.240 a treadmill and a stationary bike, and then I have freeway. I don't 6 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.159 want to go outside. It's like so wet, even though my gym is 7 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:11.599 a few miles away. It's just cold and uncomfortable. And here in sunny 8 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:19.760 California, we are having a deluge of water. So we got to do 9 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.760 the best we can. But I'll tell you it's not I mean, I'm 10 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.799 thankful for these, for the exercise equipment. You know, you can get 11 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:34.920 a pretty stout treadmill for under five hundred bucks. I think I paid just 12 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.400 under five and it's a good one. It's not a peloton, but it 13 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:45.719 works great. It has multiple speeds and multiple grades, so you get a 14 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:52.280 good cardiac workout. And I've never been one to jog in place, but 15 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.480 I walk. I do speed walking, which gets the heart rate going, 16 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:02.319 blood blood pressure elevated, and it's a workout then you add a few minutes 17 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:07.280 to on your site on your stationary bike, and then you got your weights. 18 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:12.879 It's a good workout. It's funny, by the way, they say 19 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:17.319 now that you're supposed to work out a minimum of sixty minutes. Used to 20 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:22.439 be you do your cardio for thirty minutes and you're good for the day. 21 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:24.199 You know, you do it three or four times a week. Now they're 22 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:31.120 upping it. They're saying, for the longevity, you should be walking on 23 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:39.039 your treadmill or around your area for sixty minutes. This just happened in the 24 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:45.120 last couple of months that these reports are coming out, you know, and 25 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:49.840 this is America. Most of us are sedentary meeting that we sit on our 26 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:54.639 can watch TV, watch look at the internet, do our computer work on 27 00:02:54.639 --> 00:03:00.000 our computers, and we just forget. We forget to get up an extra 28 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:07.080 sect and you know, a critical that we that we do that. Though, 29 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:13.599 So anyhow, I'm slowly inching towards forty five minutes because my body kind 30 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:15.919 of like, Okay, you're done thirty minutes, get off, get off. 31 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:20.719 But you can't do that. You got to you gotta complete your sixty 32 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:25.560 minutes. So I haven't gotten there yet, but I will shortly. So, 33 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:29.879 Hey, how you doing? This is Cliff, And you know I've 34 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:34.800 been thinking about my upcoming trip, I should say, our upcoming Earth Ancient 35 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.240 scrant Egyptian Tour April twentieth and May nine. And one of the reasons that 36 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:45.080 it is such a fabulous tour is we get to see statuary. And as 37 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:51.759 a as an artist, I can more than an appreciate this classical worship of 38 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:59.159 statuary of you know, very famous goddesses and gods. But there seems to 39 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:09.120 be wonderful emphasis on the feminine in these statues of Hathor and Emmet and Isis, 40 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:15.479 and they had an appreciation. The ancient Egyptians had an appreciation for their 41 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:21.759 gods and goddesses. But in the sculpture work of the goddesses, you you're 42 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:28.639 you're seeing world class work that has been studied down through the ages, even 43 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:34.639 through the Renaissance period. In the Rococo and Romantic period in Europe, many 44 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:42.879 famous artists, artists studied and went to Cairo and studied these amazing in some 45 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:53.720 cases alabaster granite stone sandstone statues because they're so gorgeous and it's fascinating because in 46 00:04:53.959 --> 00:05:01.920 these museums. There's little goddesses that are idol that you would buy and you 47 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.639 would keep them, and you'd have them in your little sacred space, your 48 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:14.600 little altar about today is is the renewal of the Goddess and the energy around 49 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:19.279 Thinking about the Goddess. That may not make us a lot of sense to 50 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:28.680 you, but when you consider that, feminine energy is what powers the muse, 51 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.879 the muses, the creative force that musicians tap into, that artists tap 52 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:40.000 into. Anybody who's doing creative work will have will be able to tap into 53 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:47.720 this energy, the muse energy, which is feminine energy. Our ancestors cultivated 54 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:55.639 that in worshiping the Goddess. And it's not a religious worshiping like Jesus Christ 55 00:05:55.720 --> 00:06:01.360 or Mary or whoever you you know, whoever you're worshiping your religion. This 56 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:08.639 is what they call core spirituality. Not necessarily praying to ices, but you're 57 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:16.240 praying to the energy around the Goddess. The energy and the wellness and the 58 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:28.079 spirituality and the sexuality and the creative output that is important to many of us, 59 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:33.480 not only in the creative arts, but also and just generally. We 60 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:39.439 want to be well, so we want we focus on wellness and there's an 61 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:46.199 energy behind that that is a mix of masculine and feminine. But sometimes when 62 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:51.360 we're ill, we need to focus on manifesting the best we can be, 63 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:56.800 the wellness, the best physically we can be, and to do that we 64 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.879 need to focus on the Goddess. And this is something that we're talking about 65 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:08.000 today, kind of a resurgence of Goddess study, Goddess energy, focusing on 66 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:15.959 body, mind and spirit through the Goddess. Now I mentioned Cairo Museum, 67 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:24.279 but you can see these goddess figurines in Mexico of all places. Some of 68 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:29.279 them are in jade, some of them are in ceramic, and many of 69 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:35.959 them are in a stone. Goddess is in stone. And in Europe you 70 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:42.079 go to the world famous museums there, the Louver, the British Museum, 71 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:48.360 and in their ancient civilization sections, and we're talking about Middle East, China, 72 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:57.759 Mesoamerica. Everywhere they have reproductions of the Goddess, carved images of the 73 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:03.800 Goddess. So today we're talking about the resurrection of the Goddess energy, the 74 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:09.920 feminine and how we integrate it, how we work with it. Why it's 75 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:16.000 important, especially in today's society, when we're so divided here in the United 76 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.360 States as well as other parts of the world, we need to be able 77 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:28.439 to really reconnect, find our center, and come back to the fundamentals of 78 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:33.320 is what it's all about to be a human here on earth. So today's 79 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:39.159 program is based on a brand new book by Shelley Carr in the Books called 80 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:48.399 The Goddess Discovered, Exploring the Divine Feminine around the World. Hey, this 81 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:54.639 is Cliff. We have what is considered by many people one of the best 82 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:00.120 tours of Egypt that we feature each year. It's in the spring. This 83 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.120 year, it's April twenty eight through May ninth, and it is twelve days 84 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:11.200 of exquisite sites, temples, pyramids, and museums that are not just what 85 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.240 you see when you go with the general public. We have private access to 86 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:24.120 some of the most unique and in many ways special sites that we have placed 87 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.519 on our itinerary. This isn't simply joining a group walking through the pyramids. 88 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:37.200 This is a private tour with Muhammad Imbreheem and yours, truly of Egypt's most 89 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.879 celebrated sites. Now, we typically only take a small group of people and 90 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:46.279 we're almost full but this is a chance for you to join me in what 91 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.480 can be either a vacation, a special getaway, or a chance to see 92 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:56.120 world famous sites that you'll never see again in your lifetime. For the full 93 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:03.360 itinerary, go to Earthancients dot com Forward slash Tours. Check it out, 94 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.799 fill out the registration. We'll get right back to you. If you have 95 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.120 any questions at all, send me an email at Earth Agents the number four 96 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:18.879 the letter you at gmail dot com The Earth Ancients Grand Egyptian Tour number five 97 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:24.320 April twenty eighth through May ninth, twenty twenty four. For more information Earthancients 98 00:10:24.519 --> 00:11:11.399 dot com Forward slash Tours. It is not to be missed. The subject 99 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:16.000 of the Goddess is a topic that I've known about that it doesn't get a 100 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:20.879 lot of play in the United States simply because we don't think of it unless 101 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:26.039 there's someone who's bringing it up. And my guest today, my returning guest, 102 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.000 has written a fabulous book on the Goddess. You know, when I 103 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.240 was recently in Egypt, I was in a museum and there are a lot 104 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.600 of figurines and we're going to talk about this today that represent the Goddess and 105 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:46.720 the energy behind the Goddess, and this is a critical part of being a 106 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:52.919 human being is understanding these different energetics. My returning guest who I love, 107 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.960 is Shelley Carr. You don't know who Shelley is. We've had her on 108 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.559 many, many times. She is a past life progressionist. She's worked with 109 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.440 probably one of the best people in the world, one of the noted people, 110 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:11.519 Raymond Moody, doctor Moody who wrote a great deal about past lives. 111 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.679 And I don't think we've had Raymond on the show, but we will. 112 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:22.600 She's also continuing to author multiple books. We had her on to talk about 113 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:28.240 the Akashik Records obviously, ancient lands, past lives and other worlds and so 114 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.279 forth and so on. And this new book that she's just finished is called 115 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:39.480 The Goddess Discovered, exploring the Divine Feminine around the world. So we're going 116 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.519 to really get into it. So Shelly, welcome back to Destiny. Great 117 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.919 to see you. Thank you so much. It's great to see you. 118 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:50.399 Happy New Year, Happy New Year. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 119 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.679 all right. I got to ask you this, why write about the 120 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.759 Goddess? What was the inspiration? Of course, I know you're going to 121 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.759 tap in immediately and go cliffs. I had a lifetime in Memoria and the 122 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.960 Goddess was premitive and that came through and it told me to had to write 123 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:15.720 about it, that and back. This is one of the many books that 124 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:20.159 I did during the pandemic when we were all thinking that, hey, this 125 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.440 thing's only going to take a couple of weeks, and then it took a 126 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:28.360 couple of years. I had written a book called Egger Casey's Egyptian Energy Healing, 127 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.919 which is a healing an energy healing modality based on the Casey life readings, 128 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.879 and so I was set to go traveling around the United States teaching a 129 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.440 workshop on that, and of course obviously it didn't happen, and so a 130 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.840 lot of the students who had registered came to me and said, could you 131 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.679 teach us this online? And so this created a core group of students who 132 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:54.679 took the Egyptian Healing class at first, and then you know, they were 133 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:58.559 all going, hey, what else could you teach us? And I said, 134 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:00.840 well, what do you all want to learn? And so this is 135 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.639 how the Akashak Record book was written from that group. So I said, 136 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.799 well, I could talk about the Akashak records, and so one of the 137 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.879 big things that they wanted to talk about was we got into this discussion in 138 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.120 the Egyptian Energy Healing book. We're talking about an energy healing modality, but 139 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.960 we started talking about the gods and goddesses, and then some of the group 140 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.240 were very, very interested in goddesses, and so we started looking into the 141 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:30.519 Egyptian deities. And then this evolved into this idea about, wow, you 142 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.519 know, that would be really cool if there was like a book that had 143 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.200 all of the deities from all of the world in it. And I said, 144 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.960 wow, that would be cool. And now you do see a lot 145 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.759 more goddess books that are coming out right now, because I think that content 146 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.399 is created kind of in a stream of consciousness where certain people are tuning into 147 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.480 it. But at the time when I really started looking, I wasn't really 148 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:56.759 seeing the book that I wanted to see. I found some amazing books by 149 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.039 the author Patricia Monahan. She passed away, you know, back in twenty 150 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.960 thirteen. She had incredible encyclopedias. They were you could tell they were the 151 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.320 real deal. They were researched well, and I thought, wow, now 152 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:13.039 this lady is amazing and so, long story short, I was just going 153 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.879 to self published some little thing, and of course my publicist got ahold of 154 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.720 it. Llew Ellen said please, please, please, we want to publish 155 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.480 this, and so then literally it took me several years to do this one. 156 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.159 It's the longest nonfiction project that I have ever done. It's got over 157 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:31.480 five hundred deities in it. I only hope that I could even begin to 158 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.720 go in the direction of Patricia Monaham, because I thought she was a fantastic 159 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:41.159 writer and researcher. So it's heavily researching and then I have my own takes 160 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.799 on it. But it's the one book I have to say. I mean, 161 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.799 I guess a lot of those books that were written during the last few 162 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:48.960 years were for the students, but this one is definitely for them. This 163 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.559 is something I had not thought about in a really conscious way before, but 164 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.080 I felt like I wanted to present it in a way that would give a 165 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.919 little bit about a lot of different material to help leaders, you know, 166 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:07.799 dive in further, It's got a lot of good portions and self help and 167 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.840 exploratory sections. We'll talk about a little bit later. Let's get down the 168 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:18.000 brass tax on this, Shelley, what does it mean to be interested in 169 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.360 the gods? And really what does that mean? God? God? I 170 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.919 mean, when I was younger, I do a meditation group and it was 171 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.240 focused on God, Goddess. All it is, right, the masculine, 172 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.360 the feminy, feminine, and all that is. But what does it mean 173 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:40.480 to be interested and focused on just the Goddess? What's the goddess energy? 174 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.799 Well, there's you know, there's a lot of discussion out there about this 175 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.120 idea that in the early times, and I do touch on that in the 176 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:55.559 book, that the goddess figure, the goddess image, was the prevalent image 177 00:16:55.600 --> 00:17:00.320 and figure that we've found that was being worshiped around the world, and then 178 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.799 over the ages we have evidence of people worshiping the goddess and then the masculine 179 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.440 er even society came in and took over some of those things. So we're 180 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:12.079 when we're tuning into the goddess, I think we're really tuning into some of 181 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:19.440 the most ancient religious and spiritual practices that exist on planet Earth. And so 182 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:26.119 my take on it is, I feel like it's a collective thing that there's 183 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:30.240 just periods. As you mentioned before, there's periods where this is very popular 184 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.160 and then it kind of goes down under the surface. And then again it 185 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.640 was really through student input. This is what they wanted to see. And 186 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.839 as you see now, my books come out and there's been other books coming 187 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.880 out about the deity two and so I think it's just kind of a collective 188 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:51.440 consciousness thing. It's awakening us at this time to those qualities of remembrance. 189 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:56.759 What would you say is the reason to celebrate the goddess at this time in 190 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.000 our history? Though, because as I mentioned before, we start it's cyclic. 191 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:06.000 Thirty years ago I had people at a conference I used to do Whole 192 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:10.279 Life expot here in San Francisco, and they were saying, it's very important 193 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:17.759 to be focused on the goddess, to celebrate the goddess and to gain inspiration. 194 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:22.240 And when I say gay inspiration, it could be the muse, which 195 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.680 I think is feminine. But what do you define it as and why do 196 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.200 you think it's important that we bring it forward at this time. I'll bring 197 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.960 up more of my personal theories about this as we continue this fabulous discussion, 198 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:44.400 but on a more broader scope and the bigger picture. You know, there 199 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:48.279 is the fact that we've ended the piss in age and now we're in this 200 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.640 age of Aquarius. So we're coming into this new age, right. I've 201 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.200 been saying, Oh, I work in the new age book Field, you 202 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:59.640 know, I'm talking about that for Longton, But now we're actually in that 203 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.960 new Yeah, and so a lot of the old structures we see, all 204 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.720 the structures in society. We don't have time on this program, I know, 205 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:08.599 and I know you talked to lots of guests about it. Just different 206 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.039 structures that we've had around for a while are going by by now and we're 207 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:17.000 having totally new energy come in and then you could get into it, just 208 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:22.240 even astrologically, I mean the masculine, feminine energy, the yin yang energy, 209 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:27.160 the lunar energy of the deity versus the solar energy of the sun. 210 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:32.559 You know, we're just it's more lunar. It's intuitive, it's receptive, 211 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:38.960 it's very healing. It's just a different way of engaging in spirit. Let's 212 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.000 talk on your sweet spot, which is past lives. Do you think that 213 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:49.880 we're all back at this time? And the goddess energy we're talking right now 214 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:56.680 twenty twenty four is for you shining it's light. But obviously your students are 215 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.640 saying, Shelley, we want you to write a book on this, but 216 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:06.839 it's perhaps more than that. What's your intuition on this time? Well, 217 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.680 again, it gets back to when I was with the students the first book 218 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.440 I had written. We started looking into Egyptian deities and I wrote a short 219 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:21.640 series another series on Egyptian energy healing, where what I did was I took 220 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:26.400 the deities from the different gnomes or city states of Egypt, the creation deities 221 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:33.759 like the set in Heliopolis, Hermopolis, Theves, Memphis, and so we 222 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.799 were working with these deities. Some of them were gods and some were goddesses. 223 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:41.279 And so when we would connect with those deities, then it was helping 224 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:47.680 to people to start to figure out what they resonated with. Like a lot 225 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:49.480 of people in this case, like I said, I started with Egypt, 226 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:52.079 but a lot of people say, oh, I love Egypt, It's wonderful. 227 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.240 Well, yeah, we love it. We love the hieroglyphs, we 228 00:20:55.279 --> 00:21:00.319 love the pyramids, we love everything about it. But by tuning into the 229 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:06.279 specific creation myths in the areas, because you could believe something totally different if 230 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:10.880 you lived in Heliopolis versus in Thieves. And so when people started working in 231 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:15.119 this way that I was showing them, it was helping them pinpoint more vivid 232 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.279 past life recollections about their times in Egypt than they could get without that. 233 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.240 And so I started to become kind of fascinated by that. You know, 234 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.640 it's one It just was helping them bring up more vivid memories and therefore have 235 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:33.599 really profound healing from that. And so obviously one of the things I started 236 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:40.759 thinking about is as I'm putting together such a vast book of materials here, 237 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:47.079 as even as the writer, as I'm engaging with these different deities to create 238 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:51.240 the book, I'm having emotions, I'm having feelings, I mean, just 239 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:53.480 different things are coming up for me as I'm working through that. And I 240 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:56.960 started to think, well, you know, one of the reasons why, 241 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.759 in my opinion, this is my different take on it, that people might 242 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.559 be interested in working or at least exploring the things that I have in this 243 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:10.400 book that are so multi dimensional, is as you engage with content. And 244 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:12.480 I talked about this earlier in another book I wrote Blast from the Past, 245 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.440 This is just a different kind of content as you engage with content. It 246 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:21.839 starts to awaken your memories of past lives. And so the reality is, 247 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:25.799 no matter what you believe in this current life, you've got your set of 248 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.720 belief systems. The real reality is, if you believe in past lives, 249 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.920 you did engage with some of these deities in former lifetimes, and so by 250 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:38.519 at least understanding who they are, you start to ask questions which I'm inviting 251 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:41.880 readers to do, like, Wow, how does this make me feel? 252 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.799 You know, does this feel familiar? Is that a good feeling or is 253 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.839 it not so good? And where do we need some healing here? So 254 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.680 it became a very very interesting exercise that yields really really amazing results. Yeah, 255 00:22:52.680 --> 00:23:00.799 I like that you open the book and describe the previous epo if you 256 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:08.400 want to call it that, and how our ancestors had divination with these figurines. 257 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:11.759 And I want you to talk a little bit about the one. It's 258 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:19.279 called Shila non gigs. It's a figure for I think it's a fertility figurine. 259 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.640 But they've found these things in the thousands, haven't they, And not 260 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:30.279 just in Mesoamerica, but also in the Middle East and I guess China. 261 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:36.680 So thousands of years ago. Goddess worship was a big deal, wasn't it. 262 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.000 Yeah. You know, they found these little clay figurines that were obviously 263 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.519 feminine, and like you said, these were all over the world. You 264 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:51.839 know, you get into these discussions about how these like pyramids, for example, 265 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:53.680 show up in different parts of the world. They're exactly the same dimensions 266 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.039 or something, but they're on the other side of the world. Likewise, 267 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:00.480 these goddess figurines were all over, as you said, China, the Middle 268 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.839 East, and so there's a consciousness. There was a threat of consciousness there. 269 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:08.680 They found them, and then I kind of opened the book by saying, 270 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.359 well, I mean everybody goes, oh, well, they must be 271 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.200 fertility statues, you know, and I'm saying, wow, aren't we more 272 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.119 than that? You know, But you know, people can interpret them however 273 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:19.480 they want. But the bottom line is there were thousands of them, and 274 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.799 they found them, and they are ancient. They are some of the most 275 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:29.119 ancient religious artifacts that have ever been discovered, and so we have to realize 276 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:33.240 that perhaps there is some kind of renaissance awakening. And I agree with you 277 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.279 though, Yeah, every thirty years things kind of start to wave in and 278 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:41.440 wave out and so we just have to happen to be in our case right 279 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.039 now on an upswing of this. And I think now that we know so 280 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.640 much more about history, we have all these wonderful tools that we're just learning, 281 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.720 you know, and all the programming that we all have access to to 282 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:53.839 learn about all of the history of the world. It's a great time to 283 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:59.559 be alive, to really dig in to who we really are as a soul. 284 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:03.839 Can you reach back a little bit with these figurings because the one this 285 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:08.039 uh Shila non gigs one that you highlight, it's kind of erotic. I 286 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:14.119 mean, she's they're exposing themselves. But yes, you no, but talk 287 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:22.839 a little bit about what the devotee or the initiative, initiative initiate was doing 288 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:30.119 two perhaps sanctify to perhaps pull in this energy. And what does it mean. 289 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:32.640 I'll give you a lot right now, you can take it in sections. 290 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:41.480 What does it mean to be praying to the goddess for whatever? That's 291 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.279 the thing I mean that I was kind of stating it is we would assume 292 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.759 when we're looking at as you've said, the Sila na gig, you know, 293 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:57.200 these voluptuous figures with their volvas and their breasts and you're and it's carved 294 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:02.400 out of clay. I mean, one could think of sexuality, we could 295 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:04.799 think of fertility. I mean, these are the natural things that one would 296 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.519 think about when we see such figures, But fertility one of the things I 297 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:14.720 dig into in the book also are the you know, the archetypal energies surrounding 298 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.200 goddesses. So when we're talking about fertility, fertility can be yes, creation 299 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.559 of human beings, but it could also have fertility of the land and ensuring 300 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:26.839 you know that we've got enough rain to water the crops, et cetera. 301 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.160 So so it's hard, you know, we can we could certainly speculate what 302 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:37.359 people were thinking about. Obviously at that level I was thinking a long time 303 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.480 ago. You know, when you think, well, this is when I 304 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:45.319 was even writing that Egyptian series. You know, if you could just imagine, 305 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.720 I just sometimes like to imagine, like, what would it be like 306 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.480 if you were just out and you had you had no we don't have TV, 307 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.480 we don't have all the things we have today. You're just out in 308 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.720 the elements, you know, and it's scary out there. Something could kill 309 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.880 you, you could get washed away, there might be animals, there could 310 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:06.839 be people trying to kill you. I mean, it is a scary time 311 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:11.599 to be alive, and so I would think on whatever level we want to 312 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.400 take that, you know, just staying alive I think might be a top 313 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:21.559 priority at that level, you know. So yeah, embody life. Yeah, 314 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:27.920 it's pretty raw. Yeah. You say something very insightful in your book. 315 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:33.240 You say that during the Middle Ages, when these figurines were popping up, 316 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.799 the priests were trying to hide them because it was like, not only 317 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:44.920 were they erotic, perhaps the church was responsible for repressing all this goddess energy 318 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:51.400 which has to do with sexuality, which has to do with freedom of expression 319 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.680 creatively, physically, in many, many different ways. Talk about that that 320 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:03.680 whole period where it's the call the Dark Ages for a reason. Yeah, 321 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.799 it was pretty funny they discovered that they had been, you know, stashing 322 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.000 these things away. If they really were so offended, though, why didn't 323 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.079 they just destroy them? Hmmmm? So maybe somebody liked them, but they 324 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:21.720 were definitely stashed away. And you know, we find really throughout history. 325 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:26.000 You know you know this better than I do. Everybody comes in, they 326 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.640 put their monument on top of the old one, they try to stomp out 327 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.920 the old belief systems and take over. And you know, in a lot 328 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:37.039 of these ancient civilizations, even if you look at like again back to the 329 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.680 Egyptians, you know, the pharaoh would come in with his new set of 330 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:42.799 deities and he would say, no, this is my creation story and this 331 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:48.519 is how the world began. It's a political boy, it's a power boy. 332 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.000 So whether you're going to destroy it or you're just going to rewrite how 333 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:59.559 creation began and everything in between, these things do happen to. As you 334 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.920 said, we're either repress the free spirits because we need them to repent so 335 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.440 that they know they're going to be punished if they don't behave, and or 336 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.720 potentially it's a political move where there's power. And certainly there was some evidence 337 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:17.519 you know, over these centuries as you start to see the feminine version of 338 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.400 deity, which everybody was fine with, and then all of a sudden they're 339 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.599 not. You know, that's somebody who wants to take power, and this 340 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.519 is how they do it. You can seize territory, try to tell people, 341 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.480 hey, this is how we do things here and this is the right 342 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:36.680 way, and just to get control over the people absolutely? What is the 343 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:41.920 reason that matriarchals society? Because this is really ancient times. We haven't had 344 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:47.440 a matriarchal we see spots of it around the world. But why is the 345 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:55.759 goddess so frightening for the church? For I may have just answered my own 346 00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:00.200 question a little while ago, but I want you to answer it. So 347 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:07.559 the church is the church and government, and perhaps certain men are are are 348 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.640 fearful of the Goddess and the whole energy around it. Why why should they 349 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:22.319 be upset about it and concerned? As as a general rule, I've always 350 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:29.599 thought that certain throughout the age of certain churches belief systems. Again, they're 351 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.319 they're just trying to lobby for control and this idea that you know, if 352 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.519 if we can just be a free spirit and go around doing what we want, 353 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.519 or if we actually could experience reincarnation, then maybe that means if we 354 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.160 mess it up this time, maybe we could do better next time. There's 355 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:51.720 not a finality there, there's not a harder sense of punishment to keep the 356 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.920 people in control and keep them very fearful so that they, you know, 357 00:30:55.720 --> 00:31:00.400 would mind their manners and do as is told. I think there's something to 358 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.440 be said for that. I think also, and I want to also point 359 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.200 out though, that I don't really get into a lot of this stuff as 360 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.720 much in my book because I have completely kind of my own theories on why. 361 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.880 I know you're careful how to get in there, but I would say, 362 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:18.599 yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, I didn't mean 363 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.599 to interrupt you, but it's good. I'm kind of picking your brain because 364 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.519 I want my listeners to get more of a full account. You actually do 365 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.839 a really great job opening the book on basics about goddess, and then you 366 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:37.559 give the reader different portions of the world where this is being celebrated. And 367 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:45.920 then you actually, and we'll talk about this, you actually have forty different 368 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:52.279 practices that you include that people can open more towards the Goddess. So you 369 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:59.359 have it all encompassing approach. But I'm asking you a little because I know 370 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:05.440 you we've talked before. I want Shelley's deep knowledge on this. Yes, 371 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.839 well, thanks, Cliff. I guess you know when I think of people 372 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:14.720 who write books about goddesses, okay, I think, well, you know, 373 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.759 they may be feminists, they may be like down with men or something. 374 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.839 You know, I just really don't have that attitude at all. But 375 00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:27.799 I have thought about, like, why does the religious you know, the 376 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:32.000 Church or different groups over the course of history, why do they want to 377 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:37.119 oppress women? You know? And I this has been said by so many 378 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.440 other people, but maybe it really is that women can give birth. There's 379 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:46.480 some they've seen women as some magical vessels of life or something, and this 380 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.759 is scary to people, and so they just want to keep women down. 381 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.759 I mean, this is the only thing that I can think of, which 382 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.319 of course has been stated probably a bazillion times by other people. I don't 383 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.279 really I've never really understood it, you know, I just I don't really 384 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.920 see I guess I just don't see I see people as people, I mean. 385 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:08.759 And whether it was a book on goddesses or gods. What I thought 386 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:14.119 was interesting about doing the goddesses though, again is because we have so much 387 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.279 material about gods and some of these cultures. I mean, it's really hard 388 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.200 for me to dig in here and find goddesses to talk about, you know, 389 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.680 and there are plenty of them, but they're not just as up on 390 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:27.160 the surface as some of this other stuff. It's just been pushed down. 391 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.799 And so for that reason. I think there's a lot of value to at 392 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:34.039 least exploring this, you know, But guys out there, you know, 393 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.920 feel comforted that, you know. Think of it as I think of this 394 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.720 book as my book Past Lives in Ancient Lands was a little bit of a 395 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.559 world history lesson. I think of this as kind of I'm giving you a 396 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:52.200 broad generalization and a broad overview of world religion history. And so that's the 397 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.200 way I think of the book. What do you think? I have to 398 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.000 ask you this, Why do you think this happens? Because I'm curious, 399 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.119 why do I think the Goddess is coming back right now? Or why do 400 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:10.159 you think this has been oppressed or anything. I think that you hit it 401 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:22.079 on the nose. Men are sensitive about a feminine energy, and we were 402 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.079 talking about this before. In Latin countries and in a lot of the United 403 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:32.719 States, you're raised to be macho, and the feminine energy is not something 404 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.119 to consider, even though when you embrace the feminine, you're more of a 405 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:44.239 full human being body, mind and spirit. And the feminine for me also 406 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:51.000 has to do with healing and wellness, and right now in the United States, 407 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:59.079 it is a male dominated healthcare system that we're dealing with which rejects women, 408 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:07.079 which subjugate subject subjects them to unnecessary surgeries. I mean, the whole 409 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:13.480 allopathic model is dead. And I bring this up a lot when I talk 410 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:21.440 about healing, and so I think, right now, the Goddess is and 411 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:27.119 you're showing us that it's something to remember because it's and you talk about this, 412 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.880 it's genetic in a way. It's a genetic part of us, and 413 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:38.000 it's been pushed down because we don't like talking about sexuality. We don't like 414 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:43.199 to talk about feminine aspects. If you're a guy, that means you're a 415 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.639 homosexual. If you talk like that, it's like, no, it's the 416 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:52.679 creative side. I'm an artist, that's who I am. So we talk 417 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:58.119 about the muse, you know, this inspiration that you get and what you're 418 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.719 helping me with this book. It realizes that it's not just the muse, 419 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:07.920 it's also the goddess energy that supplies that. So that's why I'm excited about 420 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:14.840 your book. And it's like, we need to remember these things. And 421 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.960 like I said, I travel and I go see these museums in Egypt and 422 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:22.719 and in Mexico and in Europe, and they have these figurines, and they're 423 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:28.159 kind of not described with very much details, like oh, here here's a 424 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:35.079 here's a bulbous woman with big breasts and a big belly, and it's a 425 00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:42.960 for turn fertility goddess and that's it, you know, no interpretation. So 426 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:54.119 anyhow, that's that's what I feel in a short discussion. So let's talk 427 00:36:54.159 --> 00:37:00.400 a little bit about how we began. You open the book, and let's 428 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.159 talk about Egypt, because there's so many Oh, before we get into it, 429 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.639 let's talk about goddess archetypes, because you list those those are really critical, 430 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:14.119 right, So talk briefly about the archetypes, and I mean you have 431 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.599 and I want to get a list a few, the child, the creator, 432 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.719 the hero, and so forth and so on. Why are the archetypes 433 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:28.480 critical? And to know, Well, one of the things that I can 434 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.719 I really hope that readers could take away from a book like this is, 435 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:37.280 you know, there's a lot of discussion about that were so different and that 436 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.199 we're so separate and we're not getting along. But you know, when you 437 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:47.159 look back again to the earliest times in history, the early people, they 438 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:52.800 wanted the same things that you and I do. They want food, They 439 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.559 want shelter, they need safety, they need companionship and love. I mean, 440 00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.360 and when you really get down to these quality, these these qualities were 441 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:07.119 then deified into gods and goddesses that represented those things that they were trying to 442 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:13.639 attract into their lives by making offerings to this and setting statues and worshiping these 443 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.920 things so that they could create more of what they want. But when you 444 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.280 look at what they are, it's the same things that we are doing today. 445 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.800 When you really get right down to it, people are the same. 446 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:27.320 We do want the same things, and so on some level, I just 447 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.000 hope it can bring I don't know, just a sense of how connected we 448 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:37.400 really are and a more of a unity message for people. You don't say 449 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.039 this in the book, but do you subscribe to people getting idols for worship 450 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.480 because a lot of Christians listening to this will go, oh my god, 451 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:50.079 idol worshipers, you're crazy. But there's an energy talk a little bit about 452 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:53.280 the energy of looking at a little figure. I'd love to have one of 453 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.400 those little figurines. In fact, I'm going to look for one on eBay. 454 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.559 I don't think i'll find when they're probably really expensive, but isn't there 455 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:07.000 something about not necessarily praying, but wishing for a good life, wishing for 456 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:13.039 wellness, wishing for a healthy childbirth, placing that energy and a figurine. 457 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.400 Talk about that if you can. Yeah, you know, the book is 458 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.639 divided into the ancient religions and the living religions, and so there's many religions 459 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:29.360 around the world who do worship deities of different kinds. And for me personally, 460 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.519 yeah, I've done a lot of traveling myself, and so when I 461 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.599 go to different places, I still believe the soul is going back to places 462 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.960 where we have been before. And so when I go traveling to different places 463 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:46.000 in the world, I find myself feeling a sense of remembrance in certain places. 464 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.079 And so sometimes the little figures. I have a lot of little figures 465 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.960 that I've collected over the years. Wow they bring me. I don't know, 466 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.920 it's more than just oh wow, this is a souvenir. I always 467 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.000 go for a little spiritual figurines and stuff because it just reminds me. I 468 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.360 think at a sole level, it's reminding me of something deeper. And so, 469 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.360 you know, this book, I do talk about people creating altars. 470 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:17.400 I mean traditional Christianity, we can have our crosses and our things in a 471 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:22.559 space, so it's the same thing it began. Even with the ancient Romans, 472 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:27.599 they had the lararium where they would have a little altar in the home 473 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.119 and they would light the hearth fire and place their little deities. Those were 474 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:37.800 the actual household gods mentioned in the Bible, but just many, many different 475 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:45.559 cultures choose to again create that little carving or that little pottery figure, to 476 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:51.920 have a place, a focal point of their devotion to the god or gods 477 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:58.440 that they are, goddesses that they are attempting to appease or to flatter, 478 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.039 or whatever they need to do to get their life to hopefully work out in 479 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.079 the way that they would like it to work out. Would you say that 480 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:10.280 when you focus on a little deity, your other lifetimes are also helping you 481 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:19.280 recognize the importance of not worship, but maybe worship but perhaps looking for a 482 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:24.480 better life, looking for wellness, looking for positive attributes of this incarnation. 483 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.039 You know, one of my favorite writers is the Yogananda. The Para of 484 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.119 Mahansa Yogananda and one of the books I have all of his books. Sometimes 485 00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.840 I just do bibliomancy, you know, where I just open it up and 486 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.320 I let it Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, a message. So one 487 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:46.440 of his sayings is that to create success, you just bring in all of 488 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:50.079 the memories. Just say, okay, right now, I want to connect 489 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.800 to all of the memories of my success from my past lives, and I 490 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.320 want to bring that to the forefront right now as I move forward in whatever 491 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.199 I'm doing. And so just tune in to those things. And I do 492 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:06.159 think that these little figurines or you know, little souvenirs. You know, 493 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.920 I went to Ireland, I get a little shamrock. Okay, that's not 494 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.920 a figurine to say, but you know, does that bring me the luck 495 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.920 of the Irish? I don't know. You know, I've been very fascinated 496 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:19.639 by as a writer. I don't know how to explain it, but just 497 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:23.119 the idea of the attraction that we have to objects and how we can attach 498 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:29.320 intentions on them. I had written a whole series of books on gem and 499 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:34.280 mineral healing. Gemstones can bring different frequencies to people, but when you're talking 500 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.760 about objects, it's the same thing, especially when they come from places where 501 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.480 we've been in our past lives. Or they can remind us of a good 502 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.239 memory even from our current life. So I think the whole thing is fascinating, 503 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:52.280 and I think that they can be focal points of intention in spiritual practice. 504 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:58.320 Absolutely. That's your next book, Shelley, How to work with Ancient 505 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:05.239 idols in God Figurines. Wow, well, you know. I mean it's 506 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.920 because years ago when I used to work with crystals, you if you picked 507 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.920 up a crystal, you needed to clear it and then different facets where you 508 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.239 breathe in and you put an in, you put a thought in there, 509 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.599 and then every day you held it and you worked on it and hopefully it 510 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.159 manifested. You know, that's years ago. So I would think the same 511 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:28.920 thing with Goddess. You don't want energy from someone else, even though it 512 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.400 could be thousands of years old. You want to keep the original intent of 513 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.079 the object and work with it in your own way. So you clear it, 514 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.119 prepare it, and then imbue it with some kind of an energy and 515 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.239 then work with the energy that's in there. So that's like, yeah, 516 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:52.599 that's just another book. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow 517 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.840 our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will be right back with My guest 518 00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:06.280 today Shelley Carr and her recently published book, The Goddess Discovered, will be 519 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:46.199 right back. My guest today is Shelley Carr, who has written a new 520 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:53.920 book called The Goddess Discovered, which surveys and actually captures the worldwide practice of 521 00:44:53.960 --> 00:45:00.880 goddess worship and also helps us understand the importance of it and how we can 522 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:07.239 integrate goddess worship into our lives. Okay, I got one for you. 523 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:12.360 You come up with it. In this book a new term called supra trovic. 524 00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:22.239 Yes, that's really and it's spontaneity induced. I guess past lives or 525 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:30.280 something. It's interesting. Yes, I created my own word called superdriv to 526 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:37.960 describe the experience of having a spontaneous past life memory that could be triggered, 527 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:43.239 like when you travel and suddenly you, you know, the modern surroundings go 528 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:47.440 away and you experience a memory of yourself in a past place, or if 529 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.599 you encounter a person who's familiar to you, sometimes you can have a little 530 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:54.760 memory go on in your mind of where the two of you have known each 531 00:45:54.800 --> 00:46:02.559 other before. Deja vu, kind of like deja vou, only to me, 532 00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:07.280 deja vu would be like a little bit different. Like if you and 533 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.480 I were sitting here. Let's say we went to have a cup of coffee 534 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.599 and we're having a conversation and all of a sudden, we're like, wait 535 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.519 a minute, I think we had this conversation before. Sometimes I found the 536 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.000 deja voo I hear about is more about the modern times. This would be 537 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.760 like out of nowhere, I'm walking down the street and all of a sudden, 538 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.599 bam, I'm having a vision of something that happened long long ago. 539 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:31.039 Oh okay, it's different. Yeah. And then the other thing I wanted 540 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:37.519 to mention that to me, is probably more prevalent than the past lives in 541 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:44.320 terms of the Goddess has to do with ancestral energy, because we now know 542 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:51.840 that our you know, our ancestors are embedded in our DNA, and so 543 00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.320 I think that may be another big reason why people are drawn to deity, 544 00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:00.719 because again, no matter what you believe right now, the reality is all 545 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:07.880 of our ancestors did worship deities in these ancient times. And so the other 546 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.599 thing I'm kind of asking is, not only are we having maybe a super 547 00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:15.239 retrivius, spontaneous past life memory come up about a deity. But what if 548 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:22.079 this is also our ancestors who worship different deities, and now we're becoming kind 549 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.719 of awakened to the dormant memories of our ancestral heritage. I like that. 550 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:36.480 I like that a lot. So it's important to connect with our ancestors because 551 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:43.440 we're more fulfilled when we work with that. And you're suggesting that the goddess, 552 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:49.320 because the goddess energy was around for thousands and thousands of years, perhaps 553 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:54.079 it's a way to open to what more understanding of what it means to be 554 00:47:54.239 --> 00:48:02.199 human in the human condition or what you know. The thing is, the 555 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:06.559 question you asked me when we first started this interview was Shelley, why didn't 556 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.920 you write this book? And so, you know, even when my students 557 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:12.360 were saying, oh, we want you to write this, this is amazing, 558 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.800 I asked them, I said, why do you want me to write 559 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:20.599 this book? You know? And so yeah, I was kind of fascinated. 560 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.400 I was like, I wonder why these people are so fascinated with this, 561 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.840 And again I just said, well, it must be past lives. 562 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.159 And then as I started to think about it, were I said, it 563 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:32.119 may be the ancestors, because they've got a lot of studies that are being 564 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:37.440 done through the CDC. One of the big profound ones was they studied the 565 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.000 descendants of Holocaust survivors, for example, and they could tell that they had 566 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:46.760 higher cortisol levels, and they had different stress a lot higher stress levels and 567 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:52.199 different disease markers than the average population. And so it's been concluded now that 568 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:59.639 perhaps they inherited trauma and stress from the ancestors. And so one of the 569 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:01.679 things I like to bring up. I've got a new book coming out in 570 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.719 June called Ancestral Energy Healing, and so a lot and I wrote a book 571 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.559 called Heal Your Ancestors, to Heal Your Life that came out in twenty twenty 572 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:15.800 one. It's based on a healing process that I do called a genealogical regression, 573 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:20.039 where instead of going and finding out about our past lives, we float 574 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.920 over events that happened to ancestors and we go send those healing. That's normally 575 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.920 like a battle or somebody's ill. You know, it's never normally anything good. 576 00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.119 But in this new book that's going to be coming out, I'm talking 577 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.880 about you know, let's face it, okay. As I mentioned earlier, 578 00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.079 guess what times were hard. In ancient times, it was horrible. I 579 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:42.840 mean, it's lucky that any of us are ever here at this point when 580 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.440 you think of what our ancestors went through. But there are skills, talents, 581 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:52.320 abilities, and you know, positive traits and things that the ancestors also 582 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:57.360 passed on to us. And so one of the thoughts I was having again 583 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:04.519 because of the profound encounters people were having in past life regression, but also 584 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.920 people were realizing that maybe they're drawn to a particular set of deities or a 585 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:13.599 particular part of the world because their ancestors are from there. And so when 586 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:19.920 they remember that, they're actually just remembering something that is deeply ingrained in their 587 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.159 DNA through an ancestral memory, and so they're just bringing that forth. And 588 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:28.440 yes, could that be for hopefully something positive and uplifting? You know, 589 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:34.280 it doesn't all have to be gloom and doom. I hope on that topic. 590 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:39.119 And you, being a past life regressionist and have written extensively about it, 591 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:46.960 why is it important as a physical being in this lifetime too, try 592 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:57.239 to work with some aspect of your previous lifetimes. I think that you know, 593 00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.960 I got into this several years ago when I was having a lot of 594 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.039 stuff hit the fan. Let's just say I think that most people, unfortunately, 595 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.000 it would be nice to think that we would all sign up for the 596 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.639 self help workshop and go get ourselves buck stop. But I think you and 597 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:17.679 I both know that that is not how any of us usually are. We're 598 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.320 going to wait until something just is going awry and we've got problems, and 599 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:23.880 now we're like, ah, I need help, you know. And so 600 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:30.960 I think that for a lot of people, let's say you need some help, 601 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.840 Okay, you might go to a traditional counselor. I had been to 602 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:37.159 a traditional counselor it wasn't working. You go maybe to the medical establishment, 603 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.960 depending on what the problem is, and you start looking around. You try 604 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:45.199 to look in the normal places at the usual suspects of what might be causing 605 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.800 a problem. But when a problem then doesn't go away, then that's when 606 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.280 a lot of people say, wait a minute, I've heard about this past 607 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.360 life thing. I'm wondering this is not getting resolved. Maybe I should look 608 00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.599 into that. And then again, like I said, only in recent years, 609 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.960 it's just really coming roaring to the surface that a lot of the challenges 610 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.480 we have, maybe things that our ancestors actually experienced, you know, and 611 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:14.920 maybe we're just reacting, reacting or reenacting things that maybe even happen to them. 612 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:16.760 So we can if we can at least bring it up to the surface, 613 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:22.760 bless it, become consciously aware in certain moments about what's happening, you 614 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.800 know, cut the cords with it, send blessings, and then just try 615 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.519 to move forward, try to raise our frequency so that we can actually, 616 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.880 you know, if all time is now. When we do this genealogical regression, 617 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.000 for example, we go back in the past. Let's say there's a 618 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.280 big battle, we send light to it. You know, let's face it, 619 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.719 it's not going to be a great time. It's still a battle. 620 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.559 But when we send light to it, I'm asking people to say, okay, 621 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:51.280 just send enough light until it starts to feel a little bit better than 622 00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.679 it did a minute ago, maybe a millimeter better. It's not like I'm 623 00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.760 turning a cartwheel and jumping for joy, but can I feel a little bit 624 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.960 better about this stuff that happened, and then start to experience that energy, 625 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.519 Then they're having a visionary encounter with their parent. Notice your parent is getting 626 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.880 lighter. Notice now you're feeling that light from that healing that you received in 627 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.159 the past coming now into your own body, and then we can send that 628 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:22.679 blessing to our whole family who's currently living and out to future generations. I 629 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:29.559 really believe that this is making huge shifts in the consciousness wave that we are 630 00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.960 all involved in, the akashak field or whatever you want to call it, 631 00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.559 the mind stream, and this is some of the things that again lends itself 632 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:45.559 to that more intuitive healing goddess energy and this new consciousness that we are attempting 633 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:51.519 to bring in here. Do you have a practice an initiation in the book? 634 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:57.239 I think you do, actually exercises you have it called it's called Meet 635 00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:01.159 a Goddess. I'd love it and and I didn't get a chance to look 636 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:07.599 at it with any depth, but obviously if we have specific we are blueprint 637 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:12.880 or a script for this lifetime was to recognize and be more in touch with 638 00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:19.800 the Goddess. Talk about doing that in one of your exercises. What what 639 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:24.000 do you suggest for people to do? Because I really like that, Shelley, 640 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.679 thank you. I think you know in the back in the back of 641 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.559 the book, we've got tons of exercises for people and so since we literally 642 00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:37.039 friends, we've got over five hundred deities here. So as people go through 643 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.480 the book, I'm just inviting you to, you know, take a look 644 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:44.239 at the Celtic, take a look at the Greeks, the Egyptians, the 645 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:46.679 Romans, or whatever it is, and just say, how do I feel, 646 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:51.199 you know, what's fascinating me? Which deities are kind of standing out 647 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.599 to me? And so by the time you get to the exercise a lot 648 00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:57.960 of these exercises, you're going to set your intention. In this case, 649 00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.199 pick a deity or don't, just based on what you've read so far. 650 00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.920 You're going to go on this guided journey. You're going to walk into a 651 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.519 space where a goddess will come and meet you. It may be a surprise, 652 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.559 or you may say, you know, I want to go meet a 653 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:15.400 goddess from the Greek pantheon. And you could ask for a Greek goddess. 654 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.920 I mean, you can kind of. I keep it open enough that readers 655 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.280 can direct the healing however it is that they would like, and then you 656 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:28.400 receive wisdom or maybe she reveals how you knew each other in a past life, 657 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.760 et cetera. And then of course we've got past life progressions, genealogical 658 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:36.119 regressions, and all of these just designed to help people get in touch with 659 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:38.480 all of those things. I kind of jumped around. We'll get into a 660 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:45.239 few more exercises in a minute. How do we use the book, because 661 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:51.159 the book opens with these different locations, like the opens with the ancient Near 662 00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.400 East, which is one of my favorite persons, which is Egypt. Let's 663 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.800 go through and kind of give us a general overview of how to work the 664 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:02.960 book. So we're in that area and we yes, go ahead, give 665 00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:07.039 us give us an overview of all right, I'll actually look at this. 666 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:14.360 There's so many things in here. So we have we have the book divided 667 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.440 into two parts. So part one is the Ancient World. So these are 668 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:23.760 ancient deities again, Ancient Near East. We're going to talk about Egypt, 669 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:30.119 Mesopotamia, the Fertile Crescent area, and then there's going to be the Greeks 670 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:37.960 and the Romans, the Celts, the Norse goddesses, and so again each 671 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:45.159 chapter begins with an overview of either the mythology that created the deities and or 672 00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:52.599 the religious history that gave rise to that. And so in some of my 673 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:57.519 other books, I had the exercises right in each chapter in this book. 674 00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.920 I've got it later on. So you just going through the material, and 675 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:07.119 then it opens up into an encyclopedia where there's you know, many, many, 676 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.320 all the goddesses I could put together for you found literally every gods I've 677 00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.119 ever heard of them, some even some more. I mean, you really 678 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:20.480 did your research on this major and minor goddesses, yes, things that you've 679 00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.239 never thought of it. And then they're in they're in categories. We try 680 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:27.760 to categorize them. Some are archetypical in nature, but if there's there's specifics 681 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.559 to that pantheon, then I categorize them to tell you what kind of an 682 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:34.960 energy they are. And then in part two of the book we go into 683 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:44.480 world religions including Africa, Asia, indigenous goddesses and deities, and of course 684 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.599 Hinduism and things like that. So okay, and so then at the by 685 00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.880 the last part of the book, that's when finally, now we've looked at 686 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:55.440 all that again. You know, you're obviously there's so much material here. 687 00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:59.280 Maybe you're saying, I want to read about Hinduism or I want to read 688 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.320 about the Celts today, and then you can just go use some exercises. 689 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.960 I would hope it's a book that people can keep around for years to come, 690 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.199 because there's a lot of exploration that can be done. I mean, 691 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:17.159 it's literally an encyclopedia of goddesses and that that's and it's just not just the 692 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:22.920 name. You have the energy behind them and what they were, what the 693 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:28.719 devination was about them. Let's get into some of the exercises, because I 694 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.840 found that they were very, very helpful. Like one of the most fundamental 695 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:39.039 one is locate a sacred space. You know, if you live in a 696 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:45.760 busy apartment or you're in a big family home, you need a quiet place 697 00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:52.639 to put your like an altar right where you can have your your items and 698 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:58.760 maybe an affirmation for the day and stuff you're working on right. Talk about 699 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:04.960 that, Yeah, everyone if they can. And again, this doesn't have 700 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.760 to be like I've got to go build a sanctuary or I've got to go 701 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.320 add an addition onto my house. You know, you can find a beautiful 702 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:15.119 space. I've got a couple of little spaces in my home, you know, 703 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:19.960 different that I use for different things. My little meditation chair here or 704 00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:23.679 a little cushion there. Just set your space and then one of the things 705 00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:29.199 I'm talking about is the more you go to that space to meditate or to 706 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:31.920 in this case, work with goddesses or whatever you're doing, then you start 707 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:37.000 to build up a shak d like a spiritual energy around that space, so 708 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.599 that the minute you sit there, you're being surrounded by supportive energies. And 709 00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:44.880 so it doesn't have to be anything fancy. If you like a little blanket, 710 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:46.559 you want some candles, you like incense, or whatever it is you 711 00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:51.400 like, just things that make you feel supported in the outer world. And 712 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:54.920 then I talk about the sacred space that is in the theater of the mind 713 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.880 in the inner world. We're going to walk through the doorway and we're going 714 00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:05.800 to to create a sacred sanctuary in your inner mind. And then this becomes 715 01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:10.000 the I in Journeys through the Ecotric Records, I call it the waiting room. 716 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.079 So this is another version of that for the goddesses. We're going to 717 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:19.440 create a sanctuary for your inner mind. So you're in your comfortable space physically, 718 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.639 you're going on meditation, You're crossing through the door into a space of 719 01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:28.800 your mental creation. And then this becomes the launching pad through which you can 720 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.639 take these other journeys that you are invited to take during Is it important to 721 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:38.679 have that meditative space. I hear what you're saying, the outer space, 722 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:46.559 the light of candle, to have your your items. The inner space connects 723 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:51.159 with the outer space in some way, doesn't it. Yes. I think 724 01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.679 that these are like environmental cues. Like if you have a certain kind of 725 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:01.079 essential oil, for example, or an incense, and every time you smell 726 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:06.320 it, it just brings you this feeling of relaxation and comfort. And these 727 01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:08.679 things that are in the outer world, or you're sitting in that favorite chair 728 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.800 that just feels so comfortable, or that blanket surrounding you, or you've got 729 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.880 the music on very low that you love. You're just supporting and loving and 730 01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:22.039 nurturing yourself so that you're able to relax, so that when you are ready 731 01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:28.480 to go on the meditation, you're able to relax easier. You're getting into 732 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.800 like a habit of being in that space so that things can occur to you 733 01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:37.119 easier. And then when you open the door and go inside your mental room 734 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.840 and normally I mean, I guess people could have a different space they're going 735 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:47.559 into each time. But I encourage people to just create this inner world and 736 01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.719 make that the same space that you always go to, because it again, 737 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.280 just like with the outer world, it just becomes more familiar. It's safe, 738 01:01:54.360 --> 01:02:00.400 it's comforting, it's nurturing, and it gives your mind and your spirit 739 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:05.800 the permission and the queue that hey, it's time to go have an experience. 740 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.960 Now. I really like that, Shelley. And it's funny because I 741 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:15.559 know a lot of people listening here are going I don't do that. I 742 01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:17.840 might think about it once in a while, but I and what you're saying 743 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:27.400 is that this sacredness of the inner and outer worlds unifying is not only very 744 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.800 powerful. I think what you're also saying is that through this and then maybe 745 01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:37.960 a little intention, you can actually get some pretty powerful results. Yeah, 746 01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:42.400 you really can't. And really, you know how I came up with this. 747 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.440 I mean, I've been working with clients for over twenty years now, 748 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:51.920 which is hard to believe, but you know, when I first started doing 749 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.039 regressions for myself, every time I would go in, even when I was 750 01:02:55.079 --> 01:03:00.320 guiding a client, I kept seeing this same room in my inner mind, 751 01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:02.000 and it was always the same. It had a certain look to it, 752 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:07.920 and in the early days of my career, I started to start asking people 753 01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:12.320 to describe the room that they went in, and some of them were describing 754 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.760 my room, and then I started thinking, wow, you know, maybe 755 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.960 I'm projecting my own room onto other people. So then I stopped. I 756 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.400 started to try to consciously not do that. I said, so I would 757 01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.159 say, hey, go in there and see what it looks like. You 758 01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.480 know, there's things in there that you love. And so then people started 759 01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:34.559 telling me about different places that they were going, and then how they could 760 01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:37.320 go back to that place also. But it was really kind of by accident 761 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:43.239 that I realized that there. I really believe there are in these interdimensional spaces 762 01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:45.760 that where we can go, and I do have a place that I go 763 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.960 all the time. I think you're gifted. I think a lot of us 764 01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.280 are kind of like what I want that I want to have that to fitch 765 01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:58.360 it, I want to talk real briefly and in the time we have left 766 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:04.480 about another exercise which when I was younger and went to metaphysical conferences, they 767 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:10.800 would ask people to work on, which is meeting and finding and meeting your 768 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:16.679 guide or multiple guides. And I know the aspect of it. You have 769 01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:21.480 to use more imagination. At some point, your imagination is pushed to site 770 01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:29.039 in this energy of this guide is actually there. But I want you to 771 01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:35.559 talk about the importance of developing a relationship with your guide and how you would 772 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:43.719 use it in navigating this book. Yeah, a lot of my past life 773 01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:46.320 books were really all of them, I always have guided imagery in them. 774 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:50.039 And this is another thing again I learned it from the earliest days. Once 775 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:55.599 we go to the sacred space in the outer world find the sacred space in 776 01:04:55.639 --> 01:05:01.760 the inner world, it's very comforting for somebody to be there for you, 777 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:08.320 to wait there for you. And this, this being, this angel, 778 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:13.440 or this ancestor you know, whoever it is, can then become a guide 779 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:17.199 who helps you go through the doorways and go to the different places where you're 780 01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:20.760 going. And so it was again, Yeah, I would go through my 781 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:27.639 own space and I always saw a giant angel standing in there, and so 782 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.920 again I realized, oh, this is very comforting, and I feel like, 783 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:36.039 well, one thing that's interesting is twenty years ago people would say, 784 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:40.079 oh this isn't I would say, is this an angel or a guide or 785 01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:43.880 how would you describe it? Most people would call this being or whatever it 786 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:47.639 is an angel, and now we have a lot more guides or beings in 787 01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:53.320 general. So in the beginning it was very biblical, it would be the 788 01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:58.519 angel with the wings, or it was normally a white road. Now it's 789 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:04.480 beings very interesting, but everyone can meet someone, so I and the other 790 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:09.280 thing I think, yeah, this is one of probably the biggest questions that 791 01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:13.679 people have in general, is that they really feel stuck and they feel like 792 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:15.960 they cannot meet their guide. They don't have any guides, they don't feel 793 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:21.800 like they're being guided. And I think that it gets down to just being 794 01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:27.719 open to how they are communicating with you. And so I think that the 795 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:32.719 exercises I try to give readers to just open them their minds to how is 796 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:38.039 this being showing up. Maybe you won't see them, maybe you'll feel their 797 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:43.599 energy, maybe they can speak to you and give you an insight through some 798 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:46.280 auditory means. You know. I think that sometimes it's easy for us to 799 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.320 say, what, you know, I must be making this up or you 800 01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:54.320 know, dismiss these things. But if we start listening to this and treating 801 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:58.760 it as if it is real, then we get more and more information and 802 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.639 then really magical things unfold. I think you hit on a really big one, 803 01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:06.480 Shelley when you said is it real or not? At some point we 804 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:15.039 have to release that whole critical thinking aspect of our minds that are like questioning 805 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:18.119 everything that we don't see or we feel weird. So there's something in my 806 01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:21.599 space here? What is that? It's like you've got to kind of let 807 01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:30.800 it happen, right and let the experience unfold so that you get the benefits. 808 01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:33.880 Yeah, you've got to go back to like when you were a kid, 809 01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:36.599 Like when you're playing with your toys. You know you didn't. You 810 01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:40.639 know, you're playing with Barbie or whatever. You know you're not, or 811 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:44.440 your stuffed animals or whatever. You're just allowing it. You're just playing, 812 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:46.760 you're not judging it. And I think we need to get back to that. 813 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.559 I mean, what is reality anyway? So you know what, if 814 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:56.000 you got a really great idea and it feels really good to you, did 815 01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.400 you make it up? Well maybe it did, maybe you didn't. But 816 01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:03.760 if it feels good, go for it. The book is The Goddess Discovered, 817 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:10.760 exploring the Divine Feminine around the world. My guess has been Shelley Carr 818 01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:15.840 and as we conclude, what would you like to see people get out of 819 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:21.800 the book? I mean, obviously it's connecting with this this archetypal energy of 820 01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:27.720 the goddess and using it individually, because you can't say, well, it's 821 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.880 going to be for this. You don't know. Everybody's different and everyone's bringing 822 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.119 in the energy in a certain way. But what would you say is, 823 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:40.319 as the author of the creator of this book, what would you say is 824 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:46.960 your best hope that the reader gets from the book. It's a it's not 825 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:50.359 a beauty pageant, but I'd have to say world peace. And I know 826 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:55.640 you're gonna laugh, but I really, you know, I really wish people 827 01:08:55.680 --> 01:09:00.479 would just read this book, even if you're not interested in goddesses. Just 828 01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:05.560 take a look at the historical things, the world, religions, and just 829 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:13.000 again the archetypes and how similar people have been over the course of time and 830 01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:17.000 how similar we still are. If we can get back to that energy of 831 01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:23.439 connectiveness, just to realize we have a beautiful, diverse world. We're all 832 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:28.359 one big human family, and the way we express divinity may be different, 833 01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:31.920 but fundamentally, at the core, what I really hope to get across is 834 01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:36.000 that we are all the same, and I just hope that this can help 835 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:42.760 just create more appreciation and love for our fellow beings here as we're sharing the 836 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:45.239 planet. I kind of like that. I mean, for a minute, 837 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:50.319 I thought you bought a bit off board, but I was listening to you, 838 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:57.319 and I agree with you. At our most core, fundamental, basic 839 01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:04.680 level, we are the same in many ways. And then we're also the 840 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:10.119 product of our environment. So if you've had a tough childhood or been in 841 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:14.640 abusive relationships, you might have a little you might be tough ened up and 842 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.600 have a thick skin and you can't let certain things in. And what you're 843 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:27.199 saying is kind of open to the possibilities and look at the goddess. So 844 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:34.119 wow, hey, well amazing. I'm still exploring this book. I want 845 01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:39.319 to mention for those of you listening, Shelley has a website. It's called 846 01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:45.560 pastlife Lady dot com. What can people find on your website? They can 847 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:50.319 find a link to my books, my podcast and other and I have an 848 01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:55.920 online platform where I've got some classes online. It can take. Do you 849 01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.960 have a I think you do have a YouTube channel too, don't you? 850 01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:01.479 Yes? YouTube link is there? Yes? Right? And that's a great 851 01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:06.640 way to connect with Shelley because she's doing what she does great work right now, 852 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:15.000 which is talking about her books, talking about past life regression and cutting 853 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:18.680 a path for us all. It's wonderful, Shelley. It's been a pleasure. 854 01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:24.279 Is always in much success on this new book. Thank you so much, 855 01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:27.920 Cliff, it's been a joy to see you again. And blessings to 856 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:38.239 everyone out there. You know, I was thinking, as we begin to 857 01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:46.520 understand and can detect subtle energy in our environment, in our surroundings, places 858 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:55.479 of worship, sacred sites, this is very important and even in churches and 859 01:11:55.520 --> 01:12:03.000 cathedrals, I think we'll begin to realize and be more accepting of sending energy 860 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:11.479 to the Goddess. Sending and working with the various gods. Goddess isn't all 861 01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:15.319 that can be, or I should say, all that is. And when 862 01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:21.079 we imbue this with our thought form and we keep thinking about it these it 863 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:26.000 can manifest. And I really, you know, I'm going to think about 864 01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:30.359 this more and more as I'm writing about this on the Maya. It's really 865 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:35.560 something that our ancestors worked with and this is how they lived their life. 866 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:42.439 They would work and then they would think about having a better life, reduced 867 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:49.279 problems, disease, whatever, through the process of working with these idols or 868 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:56.119 just programming in a very rudimentary way for a better life, more abundance, 869 01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:01.920 good harvest, healthy children, healthy spouse, healthy friends, so forth, 870 01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:06.119 and so on. As simple as that sounds, I think there's something to 871 01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:15.119 it that we've missed. And in our technologically confusing lifestyles, where we have 872 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:19.000 the Internet, we have social media, we have our portable computers which are 873 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:27.000 iPhones or android phones, whatever, we get caught up in it. And 874 01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:31.159 I have a real problem right now with TikTok. I watch it so much 875 01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:35.960 because it's so fun, you know that I have to turn it off. 876 01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:42.359 And you know, for a while I was taking that into my taking the 877 01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:48.039 TikTok on my phone into the bedroom and watching it before I go to sleep. 878 01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.439 And that's just not good. You don't want to do that. So 879 01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:56.479 I'm my own worst enemy when it comes to social media. So, and 880 01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:00.039 what I'm trying to say is when we are not focused on ourselves, we're 881 01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:05.640 focused on others and wanting to be entertained, we lose out on thinking how 882 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:11.880 our day went, what the strains, stresses and strains are all about having 883 01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:14.439 good thoughts for the next day and so forth and so on, And I 884 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.680 think, I mean, this is why crystals are really attractive to a lot 885 01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:23.720 of people, because some crystals appear to have some form of really rudimentary intelligence. 886 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:28.239 It's almost like they're talking back to you. Some people I know have 887 01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:34.359 the ability to actually hear that or perceive some form of really rudimentary consciousness, 888 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:40.800 and that's why they love crystals, and they work with crystals in a number 889 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:47.000 of different ways. But we're losing a lot of our human nature when we 890 01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:55.920 are absorbed with social media and forgetting what it is to be a human being 891 01:14:56.960 --> 01:15:02.279 and working with nature. You know. That's why whenever you can, you 892 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:06.199 know, once a week or more, walk through nature, it's rebooting, 893 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:12.600 it's regenerating, and we don't know what's happening, but there's something about being 894 01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:18.800 in green foliage and plants and flowers and so forth and so on, the 895 01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:26.560 dirt on the ground, hiking and walking and connecting back with nature is vital 896 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:32.239 for us. So and we lose out when we don't do that more often. 897 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:39.800 So anyhow, I have Shelley's book, and it's a big one's almost 898 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:48.640 three hundred plus pages plus references and the exercises great exercises, so check that 899 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:57.159 on one out. The Goddess discovered Shelley Carr. By the way, her 900 01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:02.680 last name is spelled k A E h Are Shelley s h e w l 901 01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:09.159 e y Car. So she's always my She's one of my favorite people. 902 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:12.840 I love having her on the program. I was talking to her, I 903 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:15.479 was going, how do you manage to write so many books? She's talking 904 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.039 to me, and she's talked to us actually about another book. She's releasing 905 01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:23.840 them, Like, how do you do it? That's another problem I got 906 01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:29.119 to I gotta start churning out more literature. She could do it without it, 907 01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:30.760 really, I mean she's been doing it forever. She's I think she's 908 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:35.359 got up to thirty books, which is just mind blowing. I'm envious to 909 01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:42.199 that. 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I haven't been to Yucatan in a few years, and 928 01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.960 there's a lot of new discoveries. There are a lot of new excavations, 929 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:11.960 so come out and join us. If you have any questions about any tours, 930 01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:15.920 send me an email. Send it to Earth Ancients the number four, 931 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:21.279 the letter you at gmail dot com. Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot 932 01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:24.720 com and I'll get right back to you. A lot of people are like, 933 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:27.600 I haven't traveled before, what should I do? And I'll give you 934 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:31.520 everything you need. Travels can be scary for people who haven't done it before, 935 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:35.439 but it's really it's all so automated you can't believe it. Well, 936 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:40.520 you gotta just get your passport in order you're said to go. So earth 937 01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:43.720 Ancients dot com forward slash tours, all of our tours, all of the 938 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:48.479 information, and come out and check this out. All right. That's it. 939 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:50.960 That's it for this program. I want to thank my guest today's Shelley 940 01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:56.920 Carr and always fun to have her on the program, as always a team 941 01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:00.479 of Gail Tour, Mark, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen. 942 01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:05.199 You guys rock all right, take care of you well and we will 943 01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:06.800 talk to you next time.