Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning about you. But
I am here in the thick of a atmospheric river and it doesn't want to
go away, and you know, you got to get your exercise in.
And luckily I have invested in and this is a couple of years ago,
a treadmill and a stationary bike, and then I have freeway. I don't
want to go outside. It's like so wet, even though my gym is
a few miles away. It's just cold and uncomfortable. And here in sunny
California, we are having a deluge of water. So we got to do
the best we can. But I'll tell you it's not I mean, I'm
thankful for these, for the exercise equipment. You know, you can get
a pretty stout treadmill for under five hundred bucks. I think I paid just
under five and it's a good one. It's not a peloton, but it
works great. It has multiple speeds and multiple grades, so you get a
good cardiac workout. And I've never been one to jog in place, but
I walk. I do speed walking, which gets the heart rate going,
blood blood pressure elevated, and it's a workout then you add a few minutes
to on your site on your stationary bike, and then you got your weights.
It's a good workout. It's funny, by the way, they say
now that you're supposed to work out a minimum of sixty minutes. Used to
be you do your cardio for thirty minutes and you're good for the day.
You know, you do it three or four times a week. Now they're
upping it. They're saying, for the longevity, you should be walking on
your treadmill or around your area for sixty minutes. This just happened in the
last couple of months that these reports are coming out, you know, and
this is America. Most of us are sedentary meeting that we sit on our
can watch TV, watch look at the internet, do our computer work on
our computers, and we just forget. We forget to get up an extra
sect and you know, a critical that we that we do that. Though,
So anyhow, I'm slowly inching towards forty five minutes because my body kind
of like, Okay, you're done thirty minutes, get off, get off.
But you can't do that. You got to you gotta complete your sixty
minutes. So I haven't gotten there yet, but I will shortly. So,
Hey, how you doing? This is Cliff, And you know I've
been thinking about my upcoming trip, I should say, our upcoming Earth Ancient
scrant Egyptian Tour April twentieth and May nine. And one of the reasons that
it is such a fabulous tour is we get to see statuary. And as
a as an artist, I can more than an appreciate this classical worship of
statuary of you know, very famous goddesses and gods. But there seems to
be wonderful emphasis on the feminine in these statues of Hathor and Emmet and Isis,
and they had an appreciation. The ancient Egyptians had an appreciation for their
gods and goddesses. But in the sculpture work of the goddesses, you you're
you're seeing world class work that has been studied down through the ages, even
through the Renaissance period. In the Rococo and Romantic period in Europe, many
famous artists, artists studied and went to Cairo and studied these amazing in some
cases alabaster granite stone sandstone statues because they're so gorgeous and it's fascinating because in
these museums. There's little goddesses that are idol that you would buy and you
would keep them, and you'd have them in your little sacred space, your
little altar about today is is the renewal of the Goddess and the energy around
Thinking about the Goddess. That may not make us a lot of sense to
you, but when you consider that, feminine energy is what powers the muse,
the muses, the creative force that musicians tap into, that artists tap
into. Anybody who's doing creative work will have will be able to tap into
this energy, the muse energy, which is feminine energy. Our ancestors cultivated
that in worshiping the Goddess. And it's not a religious worshiping like Jesus Christ
or Mary or whoever you you know, whoever you're worshiping your religion. This
is what they call core spirituality. Not necessarily praying to ices, but you're
praying to the energy around the Goddess. The energy and the wellness and the
spirituality and the sexuality and the creative output that is important to many of us,
not only in the creative arts, but also and just generally. We
want to be well, so we want we focus on wellness and there's an
energy behind that that is a mix of masculine and feminine. But sometimes when
we're ill, we need to focus on manifesting the best we can be,
the wellness, the best physically we can be, and to do that we
need to focus on the Goddess. And this is something that we're talking about
today, kind of a resurgence of Goddess study, Goddess energy, focusing on
body, mind and spirit through the Goddess. Now I mentioned Cairo Museum,
but you can see these goddess figurines in Mexico of all places. Some of
them are in jade, some of them are in ceramic, and many of
them are in a stone. Goddess is in stone. And in Europe you
go to the world famous museums there, the Louver, the British Museum,
and in their ancient civilization sections, and we're talking about Middle East, China,
Mesoamerica. Everywhere they have reproductions of the Goddess, carved images of the
Goddess. So today we're talking about the resurrection of the Goddess energy, the
feminine and how we integrate it, how we work with it. Why it's
important, especially in today's society, when we're so divided here in the United
States as well as other parts of the world, we need to be able
to really reconnect, find our center, and come back to the fundamentals of
is what it's all about to be a human here on earth. So today's
program is based on a brand new book by Shelley Carr in the Books called
The Goddess Discovered, Exploring the Divine Feminine around the World. Hey, this
is Cliff. We have what is considered by many people one of the best
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of the Goddess is a topic that I've known about that it doesn't get a
lot of play in the United States simply because we don't think of it unless
there's someone who's bringing it up. And my guest today, my returning guest,
has written a fabulous book on the Goddess. You know, when I
was recently in Egypt, I was in a museum and there are a lot
of figurines and we're going to talk about this today that represent the Goddess and
the energy behind the Goddess, and this is a critical part of being a
human being is understanding these different energetics. My returning guest who I love,
is Shelley Carr. You don't know who Shelley is. We've had her on
many, many times. She is a past life progressionist. She's worked with
probably one of the best people in the world, one of the noted people,
Raymond Moody, doctor Moody who wrote a great deal about past lives.
And I don't think we've had Raymond on the show, but we will.
She's also continuing to author multiple books. We had her on to talk about
the Akashik Records obviously, ancient lands, past lives and other worlds and so
forth and so on. And this new book that she's just finished is called
The Goddess Discovered, exploring the Divine Feminine around the world. So we're going
to really get into it. So Shelly, welcome back to Destiny. Great
to see you. Thank you so much. It's great to see you.
Happy New Year, Happy New Year. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
all right. I got to ask you this, why write about the
Goddess? What was the inspiration? Of course, I know you're going to
tap in immediately and go cliffs. I had a lifetime in Memoria and the
Goddess was premitive and that came through and it told me to had to write
about it, that and back. This is one of the many books that
I did during the pandemic when we were all thinking that, hey, this
thing's only going to take a couple of weeks, and then it took a
couple of years. I had written a book called Egger Casey's Egyptian Energy Healing,
which is a healing an energy healing modality based on the Casey life readings,
and so I was set to go traveling around the United States teaching a
workshop on that, and of course obviously it didn't happen, and so a
lot of the students who had registered came to me and said, could you
teach us this online? And so this created a core group of students who
took the Egyptian Healing class at first, and then you know, they were
all going, hey, what else could you teach us? And I said,
well, what do you all want to learn? And so this is
how the Akashak Record book was written from that group. So I said,
well, I could talk about the Akashak records, and so one of the
big things that they wanted to talk about was we got into this discussion in
the Egyptian Energy Healing book. We're talking about an energy healing modality, but
we started talking about the gods and goddesses, and then some of the group
were very, very interested in goddesses, and so we started looking into the
Egyptian deities. And then this evolved into this idea about, wow, you
know, that would be really cool if there was like a book that had
all of the deities from all of the world in it. And I said,
wow, that would be cool. And now you do see a lot
more goddess books that are coming out right now, because I think that content
is created kind of in a stream of consciousness where certain people are tuning into
it. But at the time when I really started looking, I wasn't really
seeing the book that I wanted to see. I found some amazing books by
the author Patricia Monahan. She passed away, you know, back in twenty
thirteen. She had incredible encyclopedias. They were you could tell they were the
real deal. They were researched well, and I thought, wow, now
this lady is amazing and so, long story short, I was just going
to self published some little thing, and of course my publicist got ahold of
it. Llew Ellen said please, please, please, we want to publish
this, and so then literally it took me several years to do this one.
It's the longest nonfiction project that I have ever done. It's got over
five hundred deities in it. I only hope that I could even begin to
go in the direction of Patricia Monaham, because I thought she was a fantastic
writer and researcher. So it's heavily researching and then I have my own takes
on it. But it's the one book I have to say. I mean,
I guess a lot of those books that were written during the last few
years were for the students, but this one is definitely for them. This
is something I had not thought about in a really conscious way before, but
I felt like I wanted to present it in a way that would give a
little bit about a lot of different material to help leaders, you know,
dive in further, It's got a lot of good portions and self help and
exploratory sections. We'll talk about a little bit later. Let's get down the
brass tax on this, Shelley, what does it mean to be interested in
the gods? And really what does that mean? God? God? I
mean, when I was younger, I do a meditation group and it was
focused on God, Goddess. All it is, right, the masculine,
the feminy, feminine, and all that is. But what does it mean
to be interested and focused on just the Goddess? What's the goddess energy?
Well, there's you know, there's a lot of discussion out there about this
idea that in the early times, and I do touch on that in the
book, that the goddess figure, the goddess image, was the prevalent image
and figure that we've found that was being worshiped around the world, and then
over the ages we have evidence of people worshiping the goddess and then the masculine
er even society came in and took over some of those things. So we're
when we're tuning into the goddess, I think we're really tuning into some of
the most ancient religious and spiritual practices that exist on planet Earth. And so
my take on it is, I feel like it's a collective thing that there's
just periods. As you mentioned before, there's periods where this is very popular
and then it kind of goes down under the surface. And then again it
was really through student input. This is what they wanted to see. And
as you see now, my books come out and there's been other books coming
out about the deity two and so I think it's just kind of a collective
consciousness thing. It's awakening us at this time to those qualities of remembrance.
What would you say is the reason to celebrate the goddess at this time in
our history? Though, because as I mentioned before, we start it's cyclic.
Thirty years ago I had people at a conference I used to do Whole
Life expot here in San Francisco, and they were saying, it's very important
to be focused on the goddess, to celebrate the goddess and to gain inspiration.
And when I say gay inspiration, it could be the muse, which
I think is feminine. But what do you define it as and why do
you think it's important that we bring it forward at this time. I'll bring
up more of my personal theories about this as we continue this fabulous discussion,
but on a more broader scope and the bigger picture. You know, there
is the fact that we've ended the piss in age and now we're in this
age of Aquarius. So we're coming into this new age, right. I've
been saying, Oh, I work in the new age book Field, you
know, I'm talking about that for Longton, But now we're actually in that
new Yeah, and so a lot of the old structures we see, all
the structures in society. We don't have time on this program, I know,
and I know you talked to lots of guests about it. Just different
structures that we've had around for a while are going by by now and we're
having totally new energy come in and then you could get into it, just
even astrologically, I mean the masculine, feminine energy, the yin yang energy,
the lunar energy of the deity versus the solar energy of the sun.
You know, we're just it's more lunar. It's intuitive, it's receptive,
it's very healing. It's just a different way of engaging in spirit. Let's
talk on your sweet spot, which is past lives. Do you think that
we're all back at this time? And the goddess energy we're talking right now
twenty twenty four is for you shining it's light. But obviously your students are
saying, Shelley, we want you to write a book on this, but
it's perhaps more than that. What's your intuition on this time? Well,
again, it gets back to when I was with the students the first book
I had written. We started looking into Egyptian deities and I wrote a short
series another series on Egyptian energy healing, where what I did was I took
the deities from the different gnomes or city states of Egypt, the creation deities
like the set in Heliopolis, Hermopolis, Theves, Memphis, and so we
were working with these deities. Some of them were gods and some were goddesses.
And so when we would connect with those deities, then it was helping
to people to start to figure out what they resonated with. Like a lot
of people in this case, like I said, I started with Egypt,
but a lot of people say, oh, I love Egypt, It's wonderful.
Well, yeah, we love it. We love the hieroglyphs, we
love the pyramids, we love everything about it. But by tuning into the
specific creation myths in the areas, because you could believe something totally different if
you lived in Heliopolis versus in Thieves. And so when people started working in
this way that I was showing them, it was helping them pinpoint more vivid
past life recollections about their times in Egypt than they could get without that.
And so I started to become kind of fascinated by that. You know,
it's one It just was helping them bring up more vivid memories and therefore have
really profound healing from that. And so obviously one of the things I started
thinking about is as I'm putting together such a vast book of materials here,
as even as the writer, as I'm engaging with these different deities to create
the book, I'm having emotions, I'm having feelings, I mean, just
different things are coming up for me as I'm working through that. And I
started to think, well, you know, one of the reasons why,
in my opinion, this is my different take on it, that people might
be interested in working or at least exploring the things that I have in this
book that are so multi dimensional, is as you engage with content. And
I talked about this earlier in another book I wrote Blast from the Past,
This is just a different kind of content as you engage with content. It
starts to awaken your memories of past lives. And so the reality is,
no matter what you believe in this current life, you've got your set of
belief systems. The real reality is, if you believe in past lives,
you did engage with some of these deities in former lifetimes, and so by
at least understanding who they are, you start to ask questions which I'm inviting
readers to do, like, Wow, how does this make me feel?
You know, does this feel familiar? Is that a good feeling or is
it not so good? And where do we need some healing here? So
it became a very very interesting exercise that yields really really amazing results. Yeah,
I like that you open the book and describe the previous epo if you
want to call it that, and how our ancestors had divination with these figurines.
And I want you to talk a little bit about the one. It's
called Shila non gigs. It's a figure for I think it's a fertility figurine.
But they've found these things in the thousands, haven't they, And not
just in Mesoamerica, but also in the Middle East and I guess China.
So thousands of years ago. Goddess worship was a big deal, wasn't it.
Yeah. You know, they found these little clay figurines that were obviously
feminine, and like you said, these were all over the world. You
know, you get into these discussions about how these like pyramids, for example,
show up in different parts of the world. They're exactly the same dimensions
or something, but they're on the other side of the world. Likewise,
these goddess figurines were all over, as you said, China, the Middle
East, and so there's a consciousness. There was a threat of consciousness there.
They found them, and then I kind of opened the book by saying,
well, I mean everybody goes, oh, well, they must be
fertility statues, you know, and I'm saying, wow, aren't we more
than that? You know, But you know, people can interpret them however
they want. But the bottom line is there were thousands of them, and
they found them, and they are ancient. They are some of the most
ancient religious artifacts that have ever been discovered, and so we have to realize
that perhaps there is some kind of renaissance awakening. And I agree with you
though, Yeah, every thirty years things kind of start to wave in and
wave out and so we just have to happen to be in our case right
now on an upswing of this. And I think now that we know so
much more about history, we have all these wonderful tools that we're just learning,
you know, and all the programming that we all have access to to
learn about all of the history of the world. It's a great time to
be alive, to really dig in to who we really are as a soul.
Can you reach back a little bit with these figurings because the one this
uh Shila non gigs one that you highlight, it's kind of erotic. I
mean, she's they're exposing themselves. But yes, you no, but talk
a little bit about what the devotee or the initiative, initiative initiate was doing
two perhaps sanctify to perhaps pull in this energy. And what does it mean.
I'll give you a lot right now, you can take it in sections.
What does it mean to be praying to the goddess for whatever? That's
the thing I mean that I was kind of stating it is we would assume
when we're looking at as you've said, the Sila na gig, you know,
these voluptuous figures with their volvas and their breasts and you're and it's carved
out of clay. I mean, one could think of sexuality, we could
think of fertility. I mean, these are the natural things that one would
think about when we see such figures, But fertility one of the things I
dig into in the book also are the you know, the archetypal energies surrounding
goddesses. So when we're talking about fertility, fertility can be yes, creation
of human beings, but it could also have fertility of the land and ensuring
you know that we've got enough rain to water the crops, et cetera.
So so it's hard, you know, we can we could certainly speculate what
people were thinking about. Obviously at that level I was thinking a long time
ago. You know, when you think, well, this is when I
was even writing that Egyptian series. You know, if you could just imagine,
I just sometimes like to imagine, like, what would it be like
if you were just out and you had you had no we don't have TV,
we don't have all the things we have today. You're just out in
the elements, you know, and it's scary out there. Something could kill
you, you could get washed away, there might be animals, there could
be people trying to kill you. I mean, it is a scary time
to be alive, and so I would think on whatever level we want to
take that, you know, just staying alive I think might be a top
priority at that level, you know. So yeah, embody life. Yeah,
it's pretty raw. Yeah. You say something very insightful in your book.
You say that during the Middle Ages, when these figurines were popping up,
the priests were trying to hide them because it was like, not only
were they erotic, perhaps the church was responsible for repressing all this goddess energy
which has to do with sexuality, which has to do with freedom of expression
creatively, physically, in many, many different ways. Talk about that that
whole period where it's the call the Dark Ages for a reason. Yeah,
it was pretty funny they discovered that they had been, you know, stashing
these things away. If they really were so offended, though, why didn't
they just destroy them? Hmmmm? So maybe somebody liked them, but they
were definitely stashed away. And you know, we find really throughout history.
You know you know this better than I do. Everybody comes in, they
put their monument on top of the old one, they try to stomp out
the old belief systems and take over. And you know, in a lot
of these ancient civilizations, even if you look at like again back to the
Egyptians, you know, the pharaoh would come in with his new set of
deities and he would say, no, this is my creation story and this
is how the world began. It's a political boy, it's a power boy.
So whether you're going to destroy it or you're just going to rewrite how
creation began and everything in between, these things do happen to. As you
said, we're either repress the free spirits because we need them to repent so
that they know they're going to be punished if they don't behave, and or
potentially it's a political move where there's power. And certainly there was some evidence
you know, over these centuries as you start to see the feminine version of
deity, which everybody was fine with, and then all of a sudden they're
not. You know, that's somebody who wants to take power, and this
is how they do it. You can seize territory, try to tell people,
hey, this is how we do things here and this is the right
way, and just to get control over the people absolutely? What is the
reason that matriarchals society? Because this is really ancient times. We haven't had
a matriarchal we see spots of it around the world. But why is the
goddess so frightening for the church? For I may have just answered my own
question a little while ago, but I want you to answer it. So
the church is the church and government, and perhaps certain men are are are
fearful of the Goddess and the whole energy around it. Why why should they
be upset about it and concerned? As as a general rule, I've always
thought that certain throughout the age of certain churches belief systems. Again, they're
they're just trying to lobby for control and this idea that you know, if
if we can just be a free spirit and go around doing what we want,
or if we actually could experience reincarnation, then maybe that means if we
mess it up this time, maybe we could do better next time. There's
not a finality there, there's not a harder sense of punishment to keep the
people in control and keep them very fearful so that they, you know,
would mind their manners and do as is told. I think there's something to
be said for that. I think also, and I want to also point
out though, that I don't really get into a lot of this stuff as
much in my book because I have completely kind of my own theories on why.
I know you're careful how to get in there, but I would say,
yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, I didn't mean
to interrupt you, but it's good. I'm kind of picking your brain because
I want my listeners to get more of a full account. You actually do
a really great job opening the book on basics about goddess, and then you
give the reader different portions of the world where this is being celebrated. And
then you actually, and we'll talk about this, you actually have forty different
practices that you include that people can open more towards the Goddess. So you
have it all encompassing approach. But I'm asking you a little because I know
you we've talked before. I want Shelley's deep knowledge on this. Yes,
well, thanks, Cliff. I guess you know when I think of people
who write books about goddesses, okay, I think, well, you know,
they may be feminists, they may be like down with men or something.
You know, I just really don't have that attitude at all. But
I have thought about, like, why does the religious you know, the
Church or different groups over the course of history, why do they want to
oppress women? You know? And I this has been said by so many
other people, but maybe it really is that women can give birth. There's
some they've seen women as some magical vessels of life or something, and this
is scary to people, and so they just want to keep women down.
I mean, this is the only thing that I can think of, which
of course has been stated probably a bazillion times by other people. I don't
really I've never really understood it, you know, I just I don't really
see I guess I just don't see I see people as people, I mean.
And whether it was a book on goddesses or gods. What I thought
was interesting about doing the goddesses though, again is because we have so much
material about gods and some of these cultures. I mean, it's really hard
for me to dig in here and find goddesses to talk about, you know,
and there are plenty of them, but they're not just as up on
the surface as some of this other stuff. It's just been pushed down.
And so for that reason. I think there's a lot of value to at
least exploring this, you know, But guys out there, you know,
feel comforted that, you know. Think of it as I think of this
book as my book Past Lives in Ancient Lands was a little bit of a
world history lesson. I think of this as kind of I'm giving you a
broad generalization and a broad overview of world religion history. And so that's the
way I think of the book. What do you think? I have to
ask you this, Why do you think this happens? Because I'm curious,
why do I think the Goddess is coming back right now? Or why do
you think this has been oppressed or anything. I think that you hit it
on the nose. Men are sensitive about a feminine energy, and we were
talking about this before. In Latin countries and in a lot of the United
States, you're raised to be macho, and the feminine energy is not something
to consider, even though when you embrace the feminine, you're more of a
full human being body, mind and spirit. And the feminine for me also
has to do with healing and wellness, and right now in the United States,
it is a male dominated healthcare system that we're dealing with which rejects women,
which subjugate subject subjects them to unnecessary surgeries. I mean, the whole
allopathic model is dead. And I bring this up a lot when I talk
about healing, and so I think, right now, the Goddess is and
you're showing us that it's something to remember because it's and you talk about this,
it's genetic in a way. It's a genetic part of us, and
it's been pushed down because we don't like talking about sexuality. We don't like
to talk about feminine aspects. If you're a guy, that means you're a
homosexual. If you talk like that, it's like, no, it's the
creative side. I'm an artist, that's who I am. So we talk
about the muse, you know, this inspiration that you get and what you're
helping me with this book. It realizes that it's not just the muse,
it's also the goddess energy that supplies that. So that's why I'm excited about
your book. And it's like, we need to remember these things. And
like I said, I travel and I go see these museums in Egypt and
and in Mexico and in Europe, and they have these figurines, and they're
kind of not described with very much details, like oh, here here's a
here's a bulbous woman with big breasts and a big belly, and it's a
for turn fertility goddess and that's it, you know, no interpretation. So
anyhow, that's that's what I feel in a short discussion. So let's talk
a little bit about how we began. You open the book, and let's
talk about Egypt, because there's so many Oh, before we get into it,
let's talk about goddess archetypes, because you list those those are really critical,
right, So talk briefly about the archetypes, and I mean you have
and I want to get a list a few, the child, the creator,
the hero, and so forth and so on. Why are the archetypes
critical? And to know, Well, one of the things that I can
I really hope that readers could take away from a book like this is,
you know, there's a lot of discussion about that were so different and that
we're so separate and we're not getting along. But you know, when you
look back again to the earliest times in history, the early people, they
wanted the same things that you and I do. They want food, They
want shelter, they need safety, they need companionship and love. I mean,
and when you really get down to these quality, these these qualities were
then deified into gods and goddesses that represented those things that they were trying to
attract into their lives by making offerings to this and setting statues and worshiping these
things so that they could create more of what they want. But when you
look at what they are, it's the same things that we are doing today.
When you really get right down to it, people are the same.
We do want the same things, and so on some level, I just
hope it can bring I don't know, just a sense of how connected we
really are and a more of a unity message for people. You don't say
this in the book, but do you subscribe to people getting idols for worship
because a lot of Christians listening to this will go, oh my god,
idol worshipers, you're crazy. But there's an energy talk a little bit about
the energy of looking at a little figure. I'd love to have one of
those little figurines. In fact, I'm going to look for one on eBay.
I don't think i'll find when they're probably really expensive, but isn't there
something about not necessarily praying, but wishing for a good life, wishing for
wellness, wishing for a healthy childbirth, placing that energy and a figurine.
Talk about that if you can. Yeah, you know, the book is
divided into the ancient religions and the living religions, and so there's many religions
around the world who do worship deities of different kinds. And for me personally,
yeah, I've done a lot of traveling myself, and so when I
go to different places, I still believe the soul is going back to places
where we have been before. And so when I go traveling to different places
in the world, I find myself feeling a sense of remembrance in certain places.
And so sometimes the little figures. I have a lot of little figures
that I've collected over the years. Wow they bring me. I don't know,
it's more than just oh wow, this is a souvenir. I always
go for a little spiritual figurines and stuff because it just reminds me. I
think at a sole level, it's reminding me of something deeper. And so,
you know, this book, I do talk about people creating altars.
I mean traditional Christianity, we can have our crosses and our things in a
space, so it's the same thing it began. Even with the ancient Romans,
they had the lararium where they would have a little altar in the home
and they would light the hearth fire and place their little deities. Those were
the actual household gods mentioned in the Bible, but just many, many different
cultures choose to again create that little carving or that little pottery figure, to
have a place, a focal point of their devotion to the god or gods
that they are, goddesses that they are attempting to appease or to flatter,
or whatever they need to do to get their life to hopefully work out in
the way that they would like it to work out. Would you say that
when you focus on a little deity, your other lifetimes are also helping you
recognize the importance of not worship, but maybe worship but perhaps looking for a
better life, looking for wellness, looking for positive attributes of this incarnation.
You know, one of my favorite writers is the Yogananda. The Para of
Mahansa Yogananda and one of the books I have all of his books. Sometimes
I just do bibliomancy, you know, where I just open it up and
I let it Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, a message. So one
of his sayings is that to create success, you just bring in all of
the memories. Just say, okay, right now, I want to connect
to all of the memories of my success from my past lives, and I
want to bring that to the forefront right now as I move forward in whatever
I'm doing. And so just tune in to those things. And I do
think that these little figurines or you know, little souvenirs. You know,
I went to Ireland, I get a little shamrock. Okay, that's not
a figurine to say, but you know, does that bring me the luck
of the Irish? I don't know. You know, I've been very fascinated
by as a writer. I don't know how to explain it, but just
the idea of the attraction that we have to objects and how we can attach
intentions on them. I had written a whole series of books on gem and
mineral healing. Gemstones can bring different frequencies to people, but when you're talking
about objects, it's the same thing, especially when they come from places where
we've been in our past lives. Or they can remind us of a good
memory even from our current life. So I think the whole thing is fascinating,
and I think that they can be focal points of intention in spiritual practice.
Absolutely. That's your next book, Shelley, How to work with Ancient
idols in God Figurines. Wow, well, you know. I mean it's
because years ago when I used to work with crystals, you if you picked
up a crystal, you needed to clear it and then different facets where you
breathe in and you put an in, you put a thought in there,
and then every day you held it and you worked on it and hopefully it
manifested. You know, that's years ago. So I would think the same
thing with Goddess. You don't want energy from someone else, even though it
could be thousands of years old. You want to keep the original intent of
the object and work with it in your own way. So you clear it,
prepare it, and then imbue it with some kind of an energy and
then work with the energy that's in there. So that's like, yeah,
that's just another book. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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right back. My guest today is Shelley Carr, who has written a new
book called The Goddess Discovered, which surveys and actually captures the worldwide practice of
goddess worship and also helps us understand the importance of it and how we can
integrate goddess worship into our lives. Okay, I got one for you.
You come up with it. In this book a new term called supra trovic.
Yes, that's really and it's spontaneity induced. I guess past lives or
something. It's interesting. Yes, I created my own word called superdriv to
describe the experience of having a spontaneous past life memory that could be triggered,
like when you travel and suddenly you, you know, the modern surroundings go
away and you experience a memory of yourself in a past place, or if
you encounter a person who's familiar to you, sometimes you can have a little
memory go on in your mind of where the two of you have known each
other before. Deja vu, kind of like deja vou, only to me,
deja vu would be like a little bit different. Like if you and
I were sitting here. Let's say we went to have a cup of coffee
and we're having a conversation and all of a sudden, we're like, wait
a minute, I think we had this conversation before. Sometimes I found the
deja voo I hear about is more about the modern times. This would be
like out of nowhere, I'm walking down the street and all of a sudden,
bam, I'm having a vision of something that happened long long ago.
Oh okay, it's different. Yeah. And then the other thing I wanted
to mention that to me, is probably more prevalent than the past lives in
terms of the Goddess has to do with ancestral energy, because we now know
that our you know, our ancestors are embedded in our DNA, and so
I think that may be another big reason why people are drawn to deity,
because again, no matter what you believe right now, the reality is all
of our ancestors did worship deities in these ancient times. And so the other
thing I'm kind of asking is, not only are we having maybe a super
retrivius, spontaneous past life memory come up about a deity. But what if
this is also our ancestors who worship different deities, and now we're becoming kind
of awakened to the dormant memories of our ancestral heritage. I like that.
I like that a lot. So it's important to connect with our ancestors because
we're more fulfilled when we work with that. And you're suggesting that the goddess,
because the goddess energy was around for thousands and thousands of years, perhaps
it's a way to open to what more understanding of what it means to be
human in the human condition or what you know. The thing is, the
question you asked me when we first started this interview was Shelley, why didn't
you write this book? And so, you know, even when my students
were saying, oh, we want you to write this, this is amazing,
I asked them, I said, why do you want me to write
this book? You know? And so yeah, I was kind of fascinated.
I was like, I wonder why these people are so fascinated with this,
And again I just said, well, it must be past lives.
And then as I started to think about it, were I said, it
may be the ancestors, because they've got a lot of studies that are being
done through the CDC. One of the big profound ones was they studied the
descendants of Holocaust survivors, for example, and they could tell that they had
higher cortisol levels, and they had different stress a lot higher stress levels and
different disease markers than the average population. And so it's been concluded now that
perhaps they inherited trauma and stress from the ancestors. And so one of the
things I like to bring up. I've got a new book coming out in
June called Ancestral Energy Healing, and so a lot and I wrote a book
called Heal Your Ancestors, to Heal Your Life that came out in twenty twenty
one. It's based on a healing process that I do called a genealogical regression,
where instead of going and finding out about our past lives, we float
over events that happened to ancestors and we go send those healing. That's normally
like a battle or somebody's ill. You know, it's never normally anything good.
But in this new book that's going to be coming out, I'm talking
about you know, let's face it, okay. As I mentioned earlier,
guess what times were hard. In ancient times, it was horrible. I
mean, it's lucky that any of us are ever here at this point when
you think of what our ancestors went through. But there are skills, talents,
abilities, and you know, positive traits and things that the ancestors also
passed on to us. And so one of the thoughts I was having again
because of the profound encounters people were having in past life regression, but also
people were realizing that maybe they're drawn to a particular set of deities or a
particular part of the world because their ancestors are from there. And so when
they remember that, they're actually just remembering something that is deeply ingrained in their
DNA through an ancestral memory, and so they're just bringing that forth. And
yes, could that be for hopefully something positive and uplifting? You know,
it doesn't all have to be gloom and doom. I hope on that topic.
And you, being a past life regressionist and have written extensively about it,
why is it important as a physical being in this lifetime too, try
to work with some aspect of your previous lifetimes. I think that you know,
I got into this several years ago when I was having a lot of
stuff hit the fan. Let's just say I think that most people, unfortunately,
it would be nice to think that we would all sign up for the
self help workshop and go get ourselves buck stop. But I think you and
I both know that that is not how any of us usually are. We're
going to wait until something just is going awry and we've got problems, and
now we're like, ah, I need help, you know. And so
I think that for a lot of people, let's say you need some help,
Okay, you might go to a traditional counselor. I had been to
a traditional counselor it wasn't working. You go maybe to the medical establishment,
depending on what the problem is, and you start looking around. You try
to look in the normal places at the usual suspects of what might be causing
a problem. But when a problem then doesn't go away, then that's when
a lot of people say, wait a minute, I've heard about this past
life thing. I'm wondering this is not getting resolved. Maybe I should look
into that. And then again, like I said, only in recent years,
it's just really coming roaring to the surface that a lot of the challenges
we have, maybe things that our ancestors actually experienced, you know, and
maybe we're just reacting, reacting or reenacting things that maybe even happen to them.
So we can if we can at least bring it up to the surface,
bless it, become consciously aware in certain moments about what's happening, you
know, cut the cords with it, send blessings, and then just try
to move forward, try to raise our frequency so that we can actually,
you know, if all time is now. When we do this genealogical regression,
for example, we go back in the past. Let's say there's a
big battle, we send light to it. You know, let's face it,
it's not going to be a great time. It's still a battle.
But when we send light to it, I'm asking people to say, okay,
just send enough light until it starts to feel a little bit better than
it did a minute ago, maybe a millimeter better. It's not like I'm
turning a cartwheel and jumping for joy, but can I feel a little bit
better about this stuff that happened, and then start to experience that energy,
Then they're having a visionary encounter with their parent. Notice your parent is getting
lighter. Notice now you're feeling that light from that healing that you received in
the past coming now into your own body, and then we can send that
blessing to our whole family who's currently living and out to future generations. I
really believe that this is making huge shifts in the consciousness wave that we are
all involved in, the akashak field or whatever you want to call it,
the mind stream, and this is some of the things that again lends itself
to that more intuitive healing goddess energy and this new consciousness that we are attempting
to bring in here. Do you have a practice an initiation in the book?
I think you do, actually exercises you have it called it's called Meet
a Goddess. I'd love it and and I didn't get a chance to look
at it with any depth, but obviously if we have specific we are blueprint
or a script for this lifetime was to recognize and be more in touch with
the Goddess. Talk about doing that in one of your exercises. What what
do you suggest for people to do? Because I really like that, Shelley,
thank you. I think you know in the back in the back of
the book, we've got tons of exercises for people and so since we literally
friends, we've got over five hundred deities here. So as people go through
the book, I'm just inviting you to, you know, take a look
at the Celtic, take a look at the Greeks, the Egyptians, the
Romans, or whatever it is, and just say, how do I feel,
you know, what's fascinating me? Which deities are kind of standing out
to me? And so by the time you get to the exercise a lot
of these exercises, you're going to set your intention. In this case,
pick a deity or don't, just based on what you've read so far.
You're going to go on this guided journey. You're going to walk into a
space where a goddess will come and meet you. It may be a surprise,
or you may say, you know, I want to go meet a
goddess from the Greek pantheon. And you could ask for a Greek goddess.
I mean, you can kind of. I keep it open enough that readers
can direct the healing however it is that they would like, and then you
receive wisdom or maybe she reveals how you knew each other in a past life,
et cetera. And then of course we've got past life progressions, genealogical
regressions, and all of these just designed to help people get in touch with
all of those things. I kind of jumped around. We'll get into a
few more exercises in a minute. How do we use the book, because
the book opens with these different locations, like the opens with the ancient Near
East, which is one of my favorite persons, which is Egypt. Let's
go through and kind of give us a general overview of how to work the
book. So we're in that area and we yes, go ahead, give
us give us an overview of all right, I'll actually look at this.
There's so many things in here. So we have we have the book divided
into two parts. So part one is the Ancient World. So these are
ancient deities again, Ancient Near East. We're going to talk about Egypt,
Mesopotamia, the Fertile Crescent area, and then there's going to be the Greeks
and the Romans, the Celts, the Norse goddesses, and so again each
chapter begins with an overview of either the mythology that created the deities and or
the religious history that gave rise to that. And so in some of my
other books, I had the exercises right in each chapter in this book.
I've got it later on. So you just going through the material, and
then it opens up into an encyclopedia where there's you know, many, many,
all the goddesses I could put together for you found literally every gods I've
ever heard of them, some even some more. I mean, you really
did your research on this major and minor goddesses, yes, things that you've
never thought of it. And then they're in they're in categories. We try
to categorize them. Some are archetypical in nature, but if there's there's specifics
to that pantheon, then I categorize them to tell you what kind of an
energy they are. And then in part two of the book we go into
world religions including Africa, Asia, indigenous goddesses and deities, and of course
Hinduism and things like that. So okay, and so then at the by
the last part of the book, that's when finally, now we've looked at
all that again. You know, you're obviously there's so much material here.
Maybe you're saying, I want to read about Hinduism or I want to read
about the Celts today, and then you can just go use some exercises.
I would hope it's a book that people can keep around for years to come,
because there's a lot of exploration that can be done. I mean,
it's literally an encyclopedia of goddesses and that that's and it's just not just the
name. You have the energy behind them and what they were, what the
devination was about them. Let's get into some of the exercises, because I
found that they were very, very helpful. Like one of the most fundamental
one is locate a sacred space. You know, if you live in a
busy apartment or you're in a big family home, you need a quiet place
to put your like an altar right where you can have your your items and
maybe an affirmation for the day and stuff you're working on right. Talk about
that, Yeah, everyone if they can. And again, this doesn't have
to be like I've got to go build a sanctuary or I've got to go
add an addition onto my house. You know, you can find a beautiful
space. I've got a couple of little spaces in my home, you know,
different that I use for different things. My little meditation chair here or
a little cushion there. Just set your space and then one of the things
I'm talking about is the more you go to that space to meditate or to
in this case, work with goddesses or whatever you're doing, then you start
to build up a shak d like a spiritual energy around that space, so
that the minute you sit there, you're being surrounded by supportive energies. And
so it doesn't have to be anything fancy. If you like a little blanket,
you want some candles, you like incense, or whatever it is you
like, just things that make you feel supported in the outer world. And
then I talk about the sacred space that is in the theater of the mind
in the inner world. We're going to walk through the doorway and we're going
to to create a sacred sanctuary in your inner mind. And then this becomes
the I in Journeys through the Ecotric Records, I call it the waiting room.
So this is another version of that for the goddesses. We're going to
create a sanctuary for your inner mind. So you're in your comfortable space physically,
you're going on meditation, You're crossing through the door into a space of
your mental creation. And then this becomes the launching pad through which you can
take these other journeys that you are invited to take during Is it important to
have that meditative space. I hear what you're saying, the outer space,
the light of candle, to have your your items. The inner space connects
with the outer space in some way, doesn't it. Yes. I think
that these are like environmental cues. Like if you have a certain kind of
essential oil, for example, or an incense, and every time you smell
it, it just brings you this feeling of relaxation and comfort. And these
things that are in the outer world, or you're sitting in that favorite chair
that just feels so comfortable, or that blanket surrounding you, or you've got
the music on very low that you love. You're just supporting and loving and
nurturing yourself so that you're able to relax, so that when you are ready
to go on the meditation, you're able to relax easier. You're getting into
like a habit of being in that space so that things can occur to you
easier. And then when you open the door and go inside your mental room
and normally I mean, I guess people could have a different space they're going
into each time. But I encourage people to just create this inner world and
make that the same space that you always go to, because it again,
just like with the outer world, it just becomes more familiar. It's safe,
it's comforting, it's nurturing, and it gives your mind and your spirit
the permission and the queue that hey, it's time to go have an experience.
Now. I really like that, Shelley. And it's funny because I
know a lot of people listening here are going I don't do that. I
might think about it once in a while, but I and what you're saying
is that this sacredness of the inner and outer worlds unifying is not only very
powerful. I think what you're also saying is that through this and then maybe
a little intention, you can actually get some pretty powerful results. Yeah,
you really can't. And really, you know how I came up with this.
I mean, I've been working with clients for over twenty years now,
which is hard to believe, but you know, when I first started doing
regressions for myself, every time I would go in, even when I was
guiding a client, I kept seeing this same room in my inner mind,
and it was always the same. It had a certain look to it,
and in the early days of my career, I started to start asking people
to describe the room that they went in, and some of them were describing
my room, and then I started thinking, wow, you know, maybe
I'm projecting my own room onto other people. So then I stopped. I
started to try to consciously not do that. I said, so I would
say, hey, go in there and see what it looks like. You
know, there's things in there that you love. And so then people started
telling me about different places that they were going, and then how they could
go back to that place also. But it was really kind of by accident
that I realized that there. I really believe there are in these interdimensional spaces
that where we can go, and I do have a place that I go
all the time. I think you're gifted. I think a lot of us
are kind of like what I want that I want to have that to fitch
it, I want to talk real briefly and in the time we have left
about another exercise which when I was younger and went to metaphysical conferences, they
would ask people to work on, which is meeting and finding and meeting your
guide or multiple guides. And I know the aspect of it. You have
to use more imagination. At some point, your imagination is pushed to site
in this energy of this guide is actually there. But I want you to
talk about the importance of developing a relationship with your guide and how you would
use it in navigating this book. Yeah, a lot of my past life
books were really all of them, I always have guided imagery in them.
And this is another thing again I learned it from the earliest days. Once
we go to the sacred space in the outer world find the sacred space in
the inner world, it's very comforting for somebody to be there for you,
to wait there for you. And this, this being, this angel,
or this ancestor you know, whoever it is, can then become a guide
who helps you go through the doorways and go to the different places where you're
going. And so it was again, Yeah, I would go through my
own space and I always saw a giant angel standing in there, and so
again I realized, oh, this is very comforting, and I feel like,
well, one thing that's interesting is twenty years ago people would say,
oh this isn't I would say, is this an angel or a guide or
how would you describe it? Most people would call this being or whatever it
is an angel, and now we have a lot more guides or beings in
general. So in the beginning it was very biblical, it would be the
angel with the wings, or it was normally a white road. Now it's
beings very interesting, but everyone can meet someone, so I and the other
thing I think, yeah, this is one of probably the biggest questions that
people have in general, is that they really feel stuck and they feel like
they cannot meet their guide. They don't have any guides, they don't feel
like they're being guided. And I think that it gets down to just being
open to how they are communicating with you. And so I think that the
exercises I try to give readers to just open them their minds to how is
this being showing up. Maybe you won't see them, maybe you'll feel their
energy, maybe they can speak to you and give you an insight through some
auditory means. You know. I think that sometimes it's easy for us to
say, what, you know, I must be making this up or you
know, dismiss these things. But if we start listening to this and treating
it as if it is real, then we get more and more information and
then really magical things unfold. I think you hit on a really big one,
Shelley when you said is it real or not? At some point we
have to release that whole critical thinking aspect of our minds that are like questioning
everything that we don't see or we feel weird. So there's something in my
space here? What is that? It's like you've got to kind of let
it happen, right and let the experience unfold so that you get the benefits.
Yeah, you've got to go back to like when you were a kid,
Like when you're playing with your toys. You know you didn't. You
know, you're playing with Barbie or whatever. You know you're not, or
your stuffed animals or whatever. You're just allowing it. You're just playing,
you're not judging it. And I think we need to get back to that.
I mean, what is reality anyway? So you know what, if
you got a really great idea and it feels really good to you, did
you make it up? Well maybe it did, maybe you didn't. But
if it feels good, go for it. The book is The Goddess Discovered,
exploring the Divine Feminine around the world. My guess has been Shelley Carr
and as we conclude, what would you like to see people get out of
the book? I mean, obviously it's connecting with this this archetypal energy of
the goddess and using it individually, because you can't say, well, it's
going to be for this. You don't know. Everybody's different and everyone's bringing
in the energy in a certain way. But what would you say is,
as the author of the creator of this book, what would you say is
your best hope that the reader gets from the book. It's a it's not
a beauty pageant, but I'd have to say world peace. And I know
you're gonna laugh, but I really, you know, I really wish people
would just read this book, even if you're not interested in goddesses. Just
take a look at the historical things, the world, religions, and just
again the archetypes and how similar people have been over the course of time and
how similar we still are. If we can get back to that energy of
connectiveness, just to realize we have a beautiful, diverse world. We're all
one big human family, and the way we express divinity may be different,
but fundamentally, at the core, what I really hope to get across is
that we are all the same, and I just hope that this can help
just create more appreciation and love for our fellow beings here as we're sharing the
planet. I kind of like that. I mean, for a minute,
I thought you bought a bit off board, but I was listening to you,
and I agree with you. At our most core, fundamental, basic
level, we are the same in many ways. And then we're also the
product of our environment. So if you've had a tough childhood or been in
abusive relationships, you might have a little you might be tough ened up and
have a thick skin and you can't let certain things in. And what you're
saying is kind of open to the possibilities and look at the goddess. So
wow, hey, well amazing. I'm still exploring this book. I want
to mention for those of you listening, Shelley has a website. It's called
pastlife Lady dot com. What can people find on your website? They can
find a link to my books, my podcast and other and I have an
online platform where I've got some classes online. It can take. Do you
have a I think you do have a YouTube channel too, don't you?
Yes? YouTube link is there? Yes? Right? And that's a great
way to connect with Shelley because she's doing what she does great work right now,
which is talking about her books, talking about past life regression and cutting
a path for us all. It's wonderful, Shelley. It's been a pleasure.
Is always in much success on this new book. Thank you so much,
Cliff, it's been a joy to see you again. And blessings to
everyone out there. You know, I was thinking, as we begin to
understand and can detect subtle energy in our environment, in our surroundings, places
of worship, sacred sites, this is very important and even in churches and
cathedrals, I think we'll begin to realize and be more accepting of sending energy
to the Goddess. Sending and working with the various gods. Goddess isn't all
that can be, or I should say, all that is. And when
we imbue this with our thought form and we keep thinking about it these it
can manifest. And I really, you know, I'm going to think about
this more and more as I'm writing about this on the Maya. It's really
something that our ancestors worked with and this is how they lived their life.
They would work and then they would think about having a better life, reduced
problems, disease, whatever, through the process of working with these idols or
just programming in a very rudimentary way for a better life, more abundance,
good harvest, healthy children, healthy spouse, healthy friends, so forth,
and so on. As simple as that sounds, I think there's something to
it that we've missed. And in our technologically confusing lifestyles, where we have
the Internet, we have social media, we have our portable computers which are
iPhones or android phones, whatever, we get caught up in it. And
I have a real problem right now with TikTok. I watch it so much
because it's so fun, you know that I have to turn it off.
And you know, for a while I was taking that into my taking the
TikTok on my phone into the bedroom and watching it before I go to sleep.
And that's just not good. You don't want to do that. So
I'm my own worst enemy when it comes to social media. So, and
what I'm trying to say is when we are not focused on ourselves, we're
focused on others and wanting to be entertained, we lose out on thinking how
our day went, what the strains, stresses and strains are all about having
good thoughts for the next day and so forth and so on, And I
think, I mean, this is why crystals are really attractive to a lot
of people, because some crystals appear to have some form of really rudimentary intelligence.
It's almost like they're talking back to you. Some people I know have
the ability to actually hear that or perceive some form of really rudimentary consciousness,
and that's why they love crystals, and they work with crystals in a number
of different ways. But we're losing a lot of our human nature when we
are absorbed with social media and forgetting what it is to be a human being
and working with nature. You know. That's why whenever you can, you
know, once a week or more, walk through nature, it's rebooting,
it's regenerating, and we don't know what's happening, but there's something about being
in green foliage and plants and flowers and so forth and so on, the
dirt on the ground, hiking and walking and connecting back with nature is vital
for us. So and we lose out when we don't do that more often.
So anyhow, I have Shelley's book, and it's a big one's almost
three hundred plus pages plus references and the exercises great exercises, so check that
on one out. The Goddess discovered Shelley Carr. By the way, her
last name is spelled k A E h Are Shelley s h e w l
e y Car. So she's always my She's one of my favorite people.
I love having her on the program. I was talking to her, I
was going, how do you manage to write so many books? She's talking
to me, and she's talked to us actually about another book. She's releasing
them, Like, how do you do it? That's another problem I got
to I gotta start churning out more literature. She could do it without it,
really, I mean she's been doing it forever. She's I think she's
got up to thirty books, which is just mind blowing. I'm envious to
that. Hey, we have a tour coming up in April April twenty eighth
through May ninth. It's our Grand Egyptian Tour, number five. It's gonna
be a blast. We keep tweaking it a little bit because there's always a
new discovery want we want to check out, and we have the flexibility to
see a lot because we have our own private bus that we can take and
go anywhere we want, and it is a luxury bus. We carry water,
juice and goodies on there, so we're not starving. And we need
a snack, we can get it. We have the best food, the
best beverages. Muhammad Ebraheem is our host and you've heard them on the Earth
Ancients many times. It's really fun and it's very reasonable, and that's one
of the things like one. It emphasizes that most of these tours are very,
very expensive and you don't get a lot. Our tour is about fifty
percent less than most advertised twelve day tours, and we give you a lot
more too, So come out and join us May twenty eight, April twenty
eight through May ninth. For more information, go to Earth Ancients dot com
forward slash Tours. Check it out and you'll see two other tours. We
got it August fourteenth through twenty fourth in Turkey, and then we're gonna be
in Yucatan, Mexico November eighth through the seventeenth of this year. I'm looking
forward to that. I haven't been to Yucatan in a few years, and
there's a lot of new discoveries. There are a lot of new excavations,
so come out and join us. If you have any questions about any tours,
send me an email. Send it to Earth Ancients the number four,
the letter you at gmail dot com. Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot
com and I'll get right back to you. A lot of people are like,
I haven't traveled before, what should I do? And I'll give you
everything you need. Travels can be scary for people who haven't done it before,
but it's really it's all so automated you can't believe it. Well,
you gotta just get your passport in order you're said to go. So earth
Ancients dot com forward slash tours, all of our tours, all of the
information, and come out and check this out. All right. That's it.
That's it for this program. I want to thank my guest today's Shelley
Carr and always fun to have her on the program, as always a team
of Gail Tour, Mark, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen.
You guys rock all right, take care of you well and we will
talk to you next time.