WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:32.359 Thank you for listening to Depiction's Media Radio. Welcome to Policy Rights to show 2 00:00:32.560 --> 00:01:04.599 about government policy and human rights. Welcome back to Policy and Rights. In 3 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:08.799 this next conversation you're about to hear UM. We're going I'm going to be 4 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:19.840 talking with UM special guests LB and Bob homer Um about fifteen minutes Cities and 5 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:27.200 digital currency. We all know about UM digital currency because of blockchains. And 6 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:34.760 when we talk about blockchains, of course we are talking about Bitcoin and other 7 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:48.480 types of public currencies that are decentralized and open to UM the the public too 8 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:53.599 to mine and gather so that they can gather wealth without it beings part of 9 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:59.560 a centralized bank. The digital currencies that we're going to be talking about the 10 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:07.280 day are going to be issued by government so and put through centralized banks like 11 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:15.719 the Canadian dollar or as it's called, the the looney if it becomes digital, 12 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.400 And what types of controls personal controls are we going to have to give 13 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:29.120 up and how far are we going to allow the government into our finances and 14 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:39.240 into our lives with a digital currency, And and we're we're going to also 15 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:46.199 talk about a Global news report that also spoke about this where they reference the 16 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:55.120 positivity of the experiment or should I say, the full on use of digital 17 00:02:55.159 --> 00:03:02.400 currency in China and how their social media is actually controlling the people so that 18 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:10.000 they cannot travel past when it's considered to be their fifteen minutes city. So 19 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:14.599 there's a lot to talk about, a lot to listen to. So we're 20 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:21.159 going to bring um LB and Bob Homer on one to the show in a 21 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:27.120 second so we can hear what they have to say. Because if you know 22 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.719 Bob Homer, he has he has his own podcasts, Conspiracy and Science, 23 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:38.879 where they talked about fifteen minutes cities. And LB is a great UM advocate 24 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:50.719 for for human rights and for people, UM to find those rights outside of 25 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:55.039 what our corporations tend to want us to have. So let's welcome to the 26 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:03.479 show. Now, let's I'm gonna welcome both LB and Bob Homer to the 27 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:08.439 show. Bob Homer, as you know UM, he is the host of 28 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:17.439 Conspiracy and Science. And Bob starting with you, you actually did a um 29 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:21.959 you did an episode on fifteen minutes cities, right, we did earlier this 30 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:28.600 year. We talked about, uh, well, I'm the science around the 31 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:33.360 conspiracy part of the discussion and Jennifer is the science. So I talked about 32 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:42.680 all the UM the possible negative implications of it, and jen talked about UM 33 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:49.879 possibly some possible positives UM. But I think we ended up was that there's 34 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:59.879 a lot of UM, there's a lot of concern around UM making something I 35 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:05.319 this a reality, Yeah, because on people looks good, but otherwise you 36 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:10.759 really get to dive into it. UM, there's some serious issues surrounding it. 37 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:17.199 Yeah. OK, So so UM introducing LB you're of course you're you're 38 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:24.959 my resident temperament to to my human rights activist stuff, and you're a huge 39 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:30.399 advocate for human rights, UM, especially with different things with corporations and stuff 40 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.879 like that. So trying to keep our society on track with these things in 41 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:40.720 equality, right. So well, and you were actually the one who emailed 42 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:46.360 me the information about fifteen Minutes cities and how it is being approved across Canada, 43 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:53.279 right. Uh. Yeah, I had come across some information UM that 44 00:05:53.439 --> 00:06:00.399 suggested that in several cities it was being approved in some cities more public where 45 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.959 citizens have the opportunity to chime in and offer their opinion, and in other 46 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:11.759 cities where it was simply being announced that it was in the works without a 47 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:18.680 lot of public conversation. Yeah, so from a human rights perspective, you 48 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:23.680 know, just forting something like that, what are some of the some of 49 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:29.079 the positives and some of the negatives for human rights with the fifteen minutes city. 50 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:34.279 Well, as it's already even eluded, it's quite a complex it's quite 51 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:40.839 a complex topic. And I think the biggest thing is that there's not really 52 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:46.680 the ability to have really good conversations about where this could all lead without the 53 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.759 governments and the municipalities actually coming out with solid plans and really letting us know 54 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:57.040 what's going to be happening. Right, So there's a lot of speculation, 55 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.720 there's a lot of conjecture. There's a lot of like where is this thing 56 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.199 going to lead? Where is that going to go? And so if you 57 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:08.639 look at where it can lead and where it could go and what it could 58 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:13.279 be used for, I think there's a lot of reasons to be concerned. 59 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:18.720 But how it's being presented I would see at this moment, without a lot 60 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:27.079 of detail, as this very sort of you know, climate friendly, easeful 61 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.040 thing like a European village, you know, I mean, who doesn't love 62 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:31.839 that? You know? My family comes from Europe. I've spent a lot 63 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:35.879 of time there and it's wonderful right to have everything central and be able to 64 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:43.000 walk to it's It sounds really nice in how it's being packaged, but we're 65 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.600 not really getting the details. We're not really being told how far it will 66 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.759 go, We're not being told where it will stop, where boundaries will be, 67 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:56.560 what will happen to people that aren't effective positively by it. And I 68 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:01.000 think that's probably the most concerning part of this is that there's a real wack 69 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:07.560 of detailed plans being released to the public, so we really don't know, 70 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:16.560 right, Okay, So along with that, I'm gonna I'm gonna out there 71 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:24.600 that there are now I received another email from someone in Alberta about the introduction 72 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:30.360 of the digital looney, where we all know about blockchains and bitcoin, where 73 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:39.039 it's decentralized and which allows freedom of opinion and freedom of of um of of 74 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:45.360 usage of it without because it's decentralized and it's not attached to a central bank 75 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:52.000 or corporation or government um. But in this particular case, the digital looney 76 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:58.399 or digital currencies being issued by a government will be through a centralized bank and 77 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:07.200 what happens when we put those two things together. And it's already in this 78 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:13.000 one global news report, they were already talking about how China's experimenting with it 79 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:22.519 and how they're getting great positive results. It's like, so both of you 80 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:28.120 are aware of how China does their social media and the downside to that. 81 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:37.320 M M, So what do we think. I think it's a slippery slope 82 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:46.480 to introduce a non decentralized currency, because with cryptocurrency, like you said, 83 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:54.840 it is decentralized and it's it's anonymous. But they're proposing is that they're gonna 84 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:01.879 that the governments will have access in control over what you spend your money on 85 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.919 and how you spend your money. And I think that's a slippery slope of 86 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:11.679 where that could lead to. It's definitely being suggested that it could be used 87 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.440 as a control measure to make sure that you don't purchase too much of a 88 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.080 certain thing, or purchase things that are not good for the environment, things 89 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.840 like this, And again it's like who's making those decisions? Where does it 90 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:35.159 stop, Where do rights come into play versus what is potentially being done without 91 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:41.240 a lot of discussion. Yeah, well, my opinion on this is where 92 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:46.720 does democracy actually come into if the government's handing it over to us? What 93 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:54.039 happened to democracy? Well? Are we supposed to decide as as a as 94 00:10:54.039 --> 00:11:03.759 a group in voto and things? So yeah, yeah, I would say 95 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:11.159 in theory more than in reality. These days, there seems to be a 96 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:16.759 lot of legislation and decisions being made without a lot of public input, which 97 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:22.879 is concerning. Yeah, I mean it's been it's been happening for a while. 98 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:24.720 I mean, I mean we can, I mean, we can be 99 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:26.600 pretty straight up about this. I mean not everyone's noticed it happening for a 100 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.840 while. I have because I have a background that was somewhat tied into the 101 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:37.559 medical industry and the school systems, and I saw legislation slowly being put through. 102 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.320 It was really strange. It was strange. There wasn't a lot of 103 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:45.960 intention behind it. It was being put through without a lot of public conversation, 104 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:48.879 and then it actually wasn't being used right off the bat, and it 105 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.559 was like, well, what is this being put in for? Yeah? 106 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:56.039 You know, and then you start progressively moving forward and you start seeing them 107 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.279 tie things into this legislation that was this kind of quietly put under, and 108 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:09.039 then you start seeing how they have been shaping future policies quite far in advance, 109 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.480 and you start to see the slippery slope. You start to see where 110 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.320 it's like, we aren't they telling us, and what do we need to 111 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:26.000 have in terms of conversations, and you know, and when is government maybe 112 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:30.919 getting a little bit too much power and control? Yeah? You know, 113 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.919 for me, the first time I noticed that something was going wrong was the 114 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:41.320 cable industry. When television was going from being that you need the rabbit ears 115 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.919 to pick up the news to this whole subscription base. You gotta you have 116 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:54.120 to call Shaw or tell Us and have them plug a cable into your house 117 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.399 in order for you to get television. And when it went up for a 118 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.759 vote in some areas, because it didn't always go up for a vote in 119 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:05.960 all areas, when it went up for a vote in some areas, that 120 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:15.919 there was misinformation attached to the vote that a vote yes was actually was actually 121 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:20.759 the vote no. They twisted the words around so that it confused people. 122 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.279 And that was one of the things that I've noticed that and a lot of 123 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:31.440 votes, how they're setting things up there. They're introducing confusion and misinformation to 124 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:37.240 control things. Also m Yeah, it's definitely all within the message and how 125 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:43.919 they bird things, because a specific phrase could sway somebody one way or the 126 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:54.200 other when they don't fully understand what they're voting on or or form. Yeah, 127 00:13:54.240 --> 00:14:00.200 exactly right. So and well, if the example I'm bringing up was 128 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:05.960 probably be forty or two thousand, and we're up to twenty twenty three and 129 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:15.320 now all of a sudden we're looking at they're trying to introduce a centralized currency 130 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:20.200 and oh, well, we had Tip McKenzie talking about how it's positive because 131 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.960 oh, with COVID, imagine that we would have been able to as a 132 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:30.080 government, been able to be your bank account. But at the same time, 133 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:31.720 if they can befoper bank account, at the same time, can't they 134 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.720 take the money back out again because we said something they didn't like. H 135 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:45.600 So yep, they've also put legislation through that they can pull money out of 136 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:50.399 our bank accounts if our systems start feeling those were theory a few years ago, 137 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:56.679 very quietly as well. There's there's a lot of implications there and just 138 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:05.000 hocke ability things like that. Security, those are also implications. How many 139 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:09.240 times have you heard about data breaches with health records, and you apply that 140 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:16.799 same sort of sense of security to our financial system and it's really unsafe. 141 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.240 Yeah, I don't. I got a survey from the Bank Accnada asking about 142 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.639 the currency, and they did ask about the security, and you know, 143 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:28.000 my response was, it's just a matter of time until somebody figures out how 144 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.039 to hack it. I mean, in particularly with AI things like this, 145 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:37.720 Like we're advancing very quickly from a technological standpoint, and you know, it's 146 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:43.000 just really a matter of time until something's hackable, not really, you know, 147 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.000 and there's nothing more to it than that, like someone's going to figure 148 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.360 it out, and then what do we do if we're all tied into that? 149 00:15:50.919 --> 00:16:00.000 Exactly right? Right, Let's face it, um that the federal government 150 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:06.519 and especially does not have a very good track record with um cybersecurity m hm, 151 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.519 and especially with the uh A live app or live can or whatever that 152 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:17.320 up was for travel that they introduced. It was supposed to be like a 153 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.559 six billion dollars a million dollar project or something like that, and then it 154 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:26.159 escalated to like hundreds of millions of dollars um for really no reason, um, 155 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:29.679 And so they had no idea what they're doing. So how are they 156 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.159 can we trust them to know what they're doing? Um with the money? 157 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.200 Well, it's it's true. And then we find out that they were, 158 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:45.240 you know, also selling our operation. Yeah, um it was. But 159 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.600 don't worry when they do a currency they won't do that. No, no, 160 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:52.519 of course don't. We don't need to worry. It's like having a 161 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:57.679 really like bad you know, uh, you know friend or level or business 162 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:02.720 partner, and they keep doing wrong by you're lighting. They won't do it 163 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.720 again. They'll do it differently this time, right, they figuring? Now? 164 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:14.480 Well on that on that issue? What what what is with transparency in 165 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:21.599 ethics? I mean, do do our political figures have transparency or ethics? 166 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.200 Like you know, it's like, oh, don't worry, we we we 167 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:36.119 wouldn't never lie to you. Yeah, I'm in time and time again. 168 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:44.920 Um yeah, it's kind of like that ongoing abuse of long term relationship. 169 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.079 They've changed just you know, I mean there are people in politics that you 170 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.599 have ethics. I do think so, um, but you know you can 171 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.000 see them really not being able to do their job as well, and you 172 00:17:56.039 --> 00:18:00.880 can see them at this point at where we are in our o current climate, 173 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.720 you can actually see them being berated. You can see it. Like 174 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.440 like looking at Parliament right now, a lot of the time to me just 175 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:14.240 looks like a school yard, you know, situation where there's like bullying tactics, 176 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:18.640 there's you know, just mocking people, there's just ignoring people, just 177 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.079 you know, sort of laughing at them versus answering them. Like it's it's 178 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:27.400 so unprofessional, you know. And there are politicians in that room attempting to 179 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:33.599 bring up important topics and attempting to have important conversations, and yet there seems 180 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:40.079 to be a political client climate here in Canada where being professional is just not 181 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.880 a thing, like it's just not required. And I find that also very 182 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:48.880 concerning, like why aren't we holding our politicians to a higher standard when it 183 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:55.559 comes to having intelligent conversations actually answering each other's questions. There's topics that are 184 00:18:55.599 --> 00:19:00.960 just being completely avoided as well, and it's quite obvious. Yeah, yeah, 185 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:10.799 yeah. It is beyond party stripes too. Everybody's been a UM accused 186 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.039 of it and been a part of it. So it's not just one party 187 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:19.400 versus another, or one province or federally provincially UM. Even local city councils 188 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:27.720 UM suffer from the same thing. Are these these agendas and um yeah, 189 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:33.119 it's not all all these appearance of what it is right right done in there. 190 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:37.519 But as time goes on you get to see the bigger picture. Well, 191 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:44.599 I'm actually living in a city that's dead center of that one. It's 192 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.480 like oh policing, Uh well, oh no, you don't get a chance 193 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:53.880 to say how you feel about having should we have the RTMP or shouldn't we 194 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:59.119 have the RTMP? Well it never was asked of the public. We were 195 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.119 just told, oh, we're getting rid of the RCMP. You know. 196 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:10.279 So again, where where happened to democracy is? You know, and sometimes 197 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:15.240 it's not necessarily that it's a bad idea. Um, it's just that we're 198 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.759 not informed and we're not told better. It's just it's kind of pushed down 199 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:26.000 our throats and and that particular agenda has moved along and it's been being manipulated. 200 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:33.400 Um yeah, it's true. I mean there's been things that have gone 201 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.599 on in my local St City council, Um where even when I've tried to 202 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.079 bring it up and ask if there is going to be a conversation on it, 203 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.000 is there going to be you know, a time where you know we 204 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.880 could you know, can we send a letter, can we speak up? 205 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:49.920 Can we voice some concerns? Is there going to be a conversation on this 206 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:56.079 um. It's interesting because I've ended up seeing um where they've actually pulled it 207 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.079 weight out of the city's per view and they've actually started putting it into other 208 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.759 parts of government. And in the case, I know of one a topic 209 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.079 that I kind of followed and I won't go to the specifics, but it 210 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:11.880 actually got me all the way up to the top of the provincial couple. 211 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:15.799 Is weird because I got to basically forward it all the way up there. 212 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.000 It took months to get there, and then no one would answer me, 213 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.480 Like there was like, we're not going to talk to you about this. 214 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.759 So I went from like the city telling me that it was actually like a 215 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:33.440 city buildings off under their authority, and then it just kept getting pawned off 216 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.119 and pawned off. And it was interesting because I do have a few friends 217 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.160 that are reporters, and there was like no way land, like that's not 218 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.519 at all, like that's the city thing, and I'm like, no, 219 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.839 it's not, you know, And then they followed the breadcrumbs and got the 220 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.359 freedom of informations done on it, and sure enough it's it's it's not. 221 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:57.200 But cities were paying for these things even though they weren't city decisions, which 222 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:03.039 is interesting And again I'm wondering what happened with that because traditionally UM not many 223 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:07.079 people realize this, but in Canada and municipalities actually hold a lot of power. 224 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:12.119 UM. They actually have a lot of authority to regulate what goes on 225 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:18.119 within them, and it seems like somewhere along the lines that's kind of gotten 226 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:23.039 distorted, which is again also kind of an interesting thing to consider. Well, 227 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:29.920 there was there was an issue around a hospital in UM in one municipality 228 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.640 that it's older hospital and it's good and it's being closed in being replaced. 229 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:41.920 UM. The replacement of the hospital is being moved from an area where there's 230 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:49.359 um words, impoverished and it's being moved to a more upscale neighborhood. And 231 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:53.839 when I asked the mayor about it, he said, is completely out of 232 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:59.119 my hands. He's like, I wish I could keep keep it, keep 233 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:07.200 them the UM these medical services where they are and not move them. But 234 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:14.640 it was completely yanked out of his hands and then move and decided on on 235 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:22.279 a provincial level and and then handed back to him. So I mean, 236 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:30.319 and shouldn't the municipality have have the ability to say, hey, but this 237 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:34.720 this is the group here, they need services and this group over here has 238 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:41.119 already covered. Shouldn't it shouldn't the mayor of the city or this or the 239 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:48.400 city council being able to determine that, You would think so. But again 240 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:55.359 it goes back to the overarching agendas. That's um, people with more power 241 00:23:55.720 --> 00:24:03.559 are kind of imposing on the municipalities and to underneath them. Yeah. Somebody 242 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:10.400 said to me today about and I, um, I don't know how far 243 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.559 off topic is actually goes. But somebody said said to me a day that 244 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:27.680 that there's a shadow government that has a corporate agenda. Yes, how far? 245 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:32.599 How much do you want me to get into that today? Well, 246 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:47.720 I go for it, Bob, he's preparing now, you're probably the shadow 247 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:52.279 government probably falls out of the We're probably out of the fifteen minute city and 248 00:24:52.599 --> 00:25:00.720 digital currency because it does stretch fire beyond and it's far more far reach then, 249 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:10.519 um than anything. Um. Yeah, there's there's there's groups of people 250 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:19.279 who are in government, who are not in government but are members of UM 251 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:26.920 corporations that definitely have an influence on policy, not just in Canada, not 252 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:36.400 just in the US, but UM worldwide. UM some people call them UM 253 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:40.039 like I don't know how far I want to go in with this, but 254 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:45.440 like UM because you have like people like the Calidisle Group and UM Bilderberg UM, 255 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:56.000 those those types of organizations where these rich and powerful people meet and have 256 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:02.519 weeklong meetings once a year and probably throughout the year, but they have a 257 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:11.119 very PUBLICUM display once a year and they talk. Supposedly what they talk about 258 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:21.000 is setting the agendas for UM what's to come. So so what's to come 259 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:26.680 is just determined by a group of billionaires so to speak, in not by 260 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:33.599 our actual elected officials or even some of the appointed global officials that we see 261 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.599 like in the u N, the the WHL or any of those sort of 262 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:48.920 groups. Those are all kind of underneath these other groups. UM. Yeah, 263 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.839 Yeah, there's a lot of interesting stuff. UM yeah. I actually 264 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:57.000 grew up around a lot of politics. It's an interesting setup. But and 265 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:03.319 whrise on, I was like I was going to be a politician because I 266 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.759 went through my social studies classes and I saw all this stuff and I was 267 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:12.839 like, wow, like this this country is built ineffectively, and so I 268 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:18.480 want I talked to some of these people in politics and one person was like, 269 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:23.519 please promise me never get into politics, and you know, I was 270 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.720 like, well, what you mean, Like there's all these you know, 271 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.640 checks and safeties and balances, and they said, no, you have to 272 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.079 sell your soul to get as far as they did in politics, which was 273 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:38.839 quite far. And they're like things they're not what they seem. Things are 274 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:45.400 not always recorded. Conversations happen all over the place, and it's tied into 275 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:53.119 big business, huge And I ironically then had a career at another point in 276 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.200 my life a little bit later because I was a kid back then where I 277 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:02.319 had a career later where I did work with very great, very large international 278 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:07.160 corporations, and I started to see what this person was talking about. It 279 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:14.000 was this very interesting seeing the connection between government policies, what companies wanted, 280 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:21.920 what they didn't want, Seeing where there was maybe stirrups with other governments, 281 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:29.079 the potential wars things like that occurring. While you start to see how like 282 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:34.359 tide and everything is. And I'm sure I had like the tenious little viewpoint 283 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:40.119 of that versus what like, there's no way that was the whole thing, 284 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:45.160 right, And so it's like it's what I saw is invasive as it was, 285 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:52.519 there's definitely more there for people to be concerned about, like to be 286 00:28:52.599 --> 00:29:00.680 asking real questions about, because that means that democracy is not really what it 287 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.640 says it is. Um. You know, how often are we just simply 288 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:11.920 being sold um ideas versus legitimately agree with what's going on and actually knowing that 289 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:18.720 one thing is going to lead to or the next. Yeah. So, 290 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.960 okay, we've talked about a lot about the bad news part. What is 291 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.720 it in you guys an opinion? What is it that we can actually do 292 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:41.240 to push back? What can we do to pushback? We all have to 293 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:48.279 ask questions and not to accept what what we're told, and keep asking those 294 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:55.000 questions and not just the questions, asking those tough questions, UM, right, 295 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:02.400 even down to I'll give this a quick example. UM, a few 296 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:07.480 people were seven or eight years ago. I went to Las Vegas for a 297 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:15.039 photography convention, and UM, going across them through the TSA security and I 298 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.160 was questioning why I had to take off my belt and my shoes and just 299 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:26.680 by asking saying why why do we have to do it this way? I 300 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:36.200 was surrounded in moments by other TSA agents and escorted to a secondary room to 301 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:42.440 be added down and everything. And just by asking questions like that, it 302 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:48.400 throws up, um, your your question, someone's authority, and they don't 303 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.920 like that all the way down to the TSA agents and all the way up 304 00:30:52.960 --> 00:31:00.440 to the chain to who's everyone on top. But so by us asking these 305 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:07.559 questions and not blindly obeying, I think that's one of the ways that we're 306 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.319 going to have to push back and not in like a confrontational way. I 307 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.240 wasn't being confrontational, um, because that wouldn't get us anywhere, and that 308 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:23.680 just gets negative publicity and um we demonized and whatever. But by being calm, 309 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:34.799 rational and asking just asking questions um other um politicians, right, and 310 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:42.240 making businesses accountable too, um like through social media or big business, Um, 311 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.000 what are their practices? What are what are you? What are they 312 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:53.359 doing to make up their business better? Right? I like that asking questions. 313 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:59.119 Um. You're reminding me of, of of course, the scientific method. 314 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:05.880 Right. You keep asking questions because into into till one day we might 315 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:10.839 actually find the ultimate answer. Yeah, because you've spent so many occasions that 316 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:19.440 when we're told one thing and then years later it's coming through a freedom of 317 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:25.079 information or whistle blowers or whatever, that the official story that we got was 318 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:35.000 completely false. But nobody was asking questions. They were just told that this 319 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:40.119 was the way and and went with it. But just because it's that way 320 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:45.519 doesn't mean that's the correct way or the right way or how it should be 321 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:50.039 done. Right. Yeah, that's a really good lead into you just to 322 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.720 like, you know, in terms of how we have conversations and how we 323 00:32:53.880 --> 00:33:00.799 participate in society, there is a really large culture. Um there's a culture 324 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:07.559 that's a rising among people that says, like, we can't question things anymore, 325 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:12.000 right, And that's dangerous because we do need to qusition things. We 326 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.920 do need to use our brains, we need to think about things. We 327 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.359 do need to be able to make decisions for ourselves and our families that work, 328 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.359 and you know, we want to be able to stand by our decisions. 329 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:29.960 And yet there is this growing culture of like, it's not right to 330 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.559 ask questions. It's not okay, Like to ask that question is invasive, 331 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:38.839 or that's violent, or you know, you must be stupid to ask that 332 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.319 question. I mean, it's so fascinating because you need to go back, 333 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.920 you know, in time it's like, oh, there's no stupid question ask 334 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.240 questions, you know, like we used to have a culture that encouraged debate, 335 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:53.519 get encouraged questioning, that encouraged having calm, rational conversations from two different 336 00:33:53.559 --> 00:34:00.000 viewpoints. And now there's this culture of really shutting down viewpoints that are different 337 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:05.079 than your own, or shutting down questions you can't answer, or shutting down 338 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:14.920 conversations that are maybe uncomfortable, and that does not breed good relationships, good 339 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:20.639 policies. It doesn't breed good relationships like one to one or on a larger 340 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:29.039 scale with our governments. It just creates this sort of vulnerability to this is 341 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.239 what we're all going to do, and we're all going to go with it. 342 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.280 No one's going to question it, no one's going to discuss it. 343 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.840 And then the problem is is sometimes those otherdeals are not good, sometimes are 344 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:43.079 terrible. We needed to have a you know, a discussion on it. 345 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.800 Sometimes there is something else going on, but no one's getting to the bottom 346 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:51.440 of it because nobody's asking. So like even in your households, you know, 347 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:55.280 to have to have a culture where questions can be asked, where your 348 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.960 children, you know, and your other family members can have um, you 349 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:07.320 know, reasonable debates with each other on different topics where we're not pushing our 350 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.880 ideas and our beliefs on other people then expecting me to go with it. 351 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.440 If you even just create that in your home, right, and that's going 352 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.360 to start to break out past your home and we can actually have these conversations 353 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.440 with our neighbors and other people and then maybe city council and maybe you know, 354 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.119 our schools and maybe our government and things like that, because that questioning 355 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:35.639 thing that you are talking about is so important. Yet we are systematically building 356 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:40.519 a culture we're asking questions has now become an active violence or to have a 357 00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:49.480 conversation with someone that is contrary to what they believe is considered violent. And 358 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.480 you know, I don't know about you guys, but when I do history 359 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:59.440 studies, when cultures start to go that way, that's usually a fairly bad 360 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:05.599 sign. Like usually nothing good comes after that. So you know, that 361 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.639 is really important for us all to be doing and not to just blindly going 362 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:20.559 with things and blindly accepting narratives and ideas that are not our own, right, 363 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.000 Yeah, it's it's the whole um. You're either with us or against 364 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:29.559 this um. So if you don't see it's nothing is black and white, 365 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:31.360 and they're trying to make it out to be black and white. Yes, 366 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.320 I think you know, if you don't fully believe it, then you must 367 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.400 be against us. Well, it's a very nuanced conversation, you know, 368 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.000 everything made very black and white. I'm like, look, hold on, 369 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:49.199 there's like all of these there's all of these other things and facts listening out 370 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.639 of this conversation, but you can't bring them up. It's like, no, 371 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.480 that's not what it's about. It's like this or this, and it's 372 00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:00.119 like that's not true. And you know, if you actually look at societies 373 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:07.679 that go into like a very totalitarian type state, there are there are key 374 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.920 things that happen prior to that, and one of them is this formation of 375 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:19.519 extremes where the society itself and the government and all of that starts rallying in 376 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:24.119 two different extremes. And then because of these extreme views on both sides, 377 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:29.719 which I see in Canada right now, the moderate middle becomes scared of speaking 378 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.599 up. The moderate middle, which is like ninety five percent of people, 379 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:37.119 become scared to ask questions, to say anything, and yet if they did, 380 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.559 it would lead to the whole society in a more moderate path. Yet 381 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.559 because there's these two extremes, everyone kind of gets silenced. And then, 382 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:52.480 weirdly enough, these two extremes usually end up offering the same solutions at the 383 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.119 end of the day, Like one is not actually better than the other. 384 00:37:55.159 --> 00:38:05.320 They're both quite rigid and you know, not not the best for the larger 385 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:13.480 population. Right, Yeah, problem reaction solution and introduced the problems than the 386 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:20.960 solutions. Yeah, they're great reaction and have the solution for the problem that 387 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:29.360 they initially created, which is on the extreme end of the spectrum. Mhm. 388 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:34.639 We saw that in uh Okay in the pandemic, right, A lot 389 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.719 of a lot of the public missed this, and in the end we're seeing 390 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:44.519 this extreme inflation where our grocery bills are through the roof and to fuel up 391 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:51.880 our cars is like ultimately ridiculous. But um, what was missed by the 392 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:57.400 public was at the beginning of the pandemic, when Justin Trudeau decided, oh, 393 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.960 I'm going to create the serub. He had to print almost a trillion 394 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:09.239 dollars, so he flooded them flooded our economy, the Canadian economy with it 395 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:15.400 was close to a trillion dollars to be able to pay for the distribution of 396 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:20.119 the Serb money. Well, what happens when the government decides to print a 397 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:25.159 whole bunch of money That inflation usually follows a year or two later. Yes, 398 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:31.320 it's economics, yes, yes, apparently sense, But don't worry. 399 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:35.320 They can print offs some more money now that costs have gone up, and 400 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.599 they can give you some basic living income so that they can flood it with 401 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:42.239 more money so that everything can cost even more and you can't afford that either, 402 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.119 but don't worry. Then they'll have some more money. Right, But 403 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:52.119 then there's the digital currency. We'll solve the problem with the digital currency because 404 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.840 we've already in them printing money anyway, it's a revise, we all digitally 405 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.360 printed. Like if this isn't like it's you know, it's interesting, and 406 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.559 then it's like, wait, can't afford anything, so then yes, like 407 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.360 the fifteen minute seems beautiful because you don't need a car. You don't have 408 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.480 to afford your car, you don't you know, yeah, exactly, you 409 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.440 don't have to go anywhere exactly, it will be nice to the environment. 410 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.199 Um you know, but then what if you do want to go somewhere. 411 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.159 Uh see, that's that's where we're where we're leading into. Well, this 412 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:30.320 particular conversation as it hits social media and the Chinese model is, as his 413 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.320 conversation would hit social media, that all three of our bank accounts would be 414 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:40.920 locked up. Go where more more than just your bank account. Literally you 415 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.039 would not be able to go get a train ticket. Um like. They 416 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.559 can fully lock you up, um like, they can restrict you from this, 417 00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:55.440 develop all of your services, and simply because you've been a bad citizen. 418 00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.360 Yeah, according to what has been determined to be good or bad? 419 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:07.639 Right, Um yeah, that's dangerous in my opinion. You know, I 420 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:13.320 grew up and I learned how to be a functional, responsible adult, and 421 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.360 I don't need the government doing my parent team for me. And I don't 422 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:22.480 need them doing it for my children either or my grandchildren. And that's you 423 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.239 know, that's not why you know, my ancestors that came, you know, 424 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.360 fled from you know, communist countries to give my family a life here. 425 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.079 That's not what they came, you know, they didn't come here to 426 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.960 have more of that. Well, yeah, well we'll get into the topic 427 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:49.079 of ancestors because of my ancestors or indigenous Oh wait, colonialism, there's another 428 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:58.360 topic. We're gonna need a topic Glover right now, thankfully mind him more 429 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:07.920 recently. Yeah, um, yeah, like there there's lots diffmplifications with this, 430 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:13.079 right, Like if we if you do have fifteen minute cities and we 431 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.280 do have a digital currency, and you know those two things are tied into 432 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:21.039 each other. You know, how quickly could you potentially not be able to 433 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:27.559 access your your your money if you screw up? Um, we do already 434 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.639 know that a lot of the groundwork for watching us on social media has already 435 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:35.800 been laid. That's you know, that's factual. There's no conspiracy about that. 436 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.559 It's there. It's built into the social media platforms, like you'd probably 437 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.719 already give us a rating. Um, you know, so it's not like, 438 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.880 you know, the conversations around fifteen minutes these is not actually a lot 439 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.079 of conspiracy talk, I would say, even really going on. There's a 440 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.559 lot of actual factual things happening all over the world with it. Um, 441 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:05.519 that could very easily affect the freedoms that we have and the rights that we 442 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:07.679 have and our ability to move and our ability to have a business, and 443 00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:13.320 even trying to have conversations with local governments about that. I'm involved with businesses 444 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.159 and we're attempting to have conversations with the municipalities about how we would you know, 445 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.480 if these cities are put in, how does that affect us as businesses? 446 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.360 How do we move from city to city doing our job, having our 447 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.039 employees moved from city to city, would they be penalized? Would we have 448 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.599 the same amount of passes? Would we have more passes? You know, 449 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.599 are they not going to restrict movement at all? In which case, you 450 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:42.559 know, that's kind of interesting. It's not generally where these conversations are leading 451 00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.440 right now, but you know, if that's factually not going to happen, 452 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.440 and we'd like to know that too, or like, how is that going 453 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.800 to affect people's businesses? How is it to get affect where they work? 454 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:57.679 Like if you have to work within fifteen minutes of you where you live and 455 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.119 you don't work remotely, does that mean you need to get a new job? 456 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:05.760 And then where if it's a stay money, who handles the extra money 457 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.920 for you? Is that where this basic income conversation is coming in. Then 458 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.320 will you be told that you can just work any job within fifteen minutes and 459 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:17.840 you can make basic income? Like, there's so many pieces to this that 460 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:27.559 aren't being discussed. There's a good question is basic income going to pay for 461 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:35.440 us to maintain the type of of of middle class life that we actually have 462 00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.159 right now or is it going to or is there going to be a downgrade? 463 00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:43.679 There is some one going to come from to pay everybody that basic income? 464 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.280 Are they going to prove more money that is going to skyrocket everything? 465 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:51.000 And the cycle continues, yeah, exactly. And then and then what happens 466 00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.280 then d end up right countries where then your choices are now limited because that's 467 00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:58.960 all you know, people can afford. We don't really have a market for 468 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.360 these other things now. Now we don't have businesses that are bringing in new 469 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:07.000 and innovative products because they've also been restricted by whatever policies are in place and 470 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:12.800 costs and all that. You know, I know a lot of business owners, 471 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.960 a lot of business owners that I know have left Canada. They're not 472 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:20.880 here anymore. They're like, you know, where the decisions that are being 473 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:28.719 made here do not seem beneficial for their businesses. Don't blame them. And 474 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.079 that's another good point. When they did the episode on my show we talked 475 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.920 about this fair bid was if you have the fifteen minute cities, what kind 476 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.719 of what types of businesses are going to be allowed to come in? And 477 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.360 are they going to be They're going to be the cost goes and the big 478 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.079 box stores and the little mom and pop shops are going to be pushed out 479 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.000 because when we are going to be a little afford the rent, they're not 480 00:45:53.039 --> 00:46:01.280 going to have the foot traffic the um so there's there's there's just going to 481 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:07.800 be big box stores. And are there each zone? Is there going to 482 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.400 be like a costco in every zone? Or like how or like for restaurants 483 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.559 or or they're gonna be like fast food mc Donalds or um or what happens 484 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:22.079 they have like a subway in art in one zone, but then you want 485 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.599 to go to like an Italian restaurants to zones over How how is that going 486 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:31.360 to work? When they when they're setting uh limits like in Oxford, Englands, 487 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:36.239 when you can really go one hundred free trips, or or they're going 488 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:40.480 to start finding your seventy pounds per extra trip, Like how I don't understand 489 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.519 how that's gonna be beneficial. Yeah, and then do the rich people will 490 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.119 get to like move around more than the poor people, you know, Like 491 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.800 how about that? Um you know how rural people, how are they going 492 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.000 to do that? I mean, look at some rural communities need to like 493 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:59.920 commend to cities for their medical care for like all of that kind of stuff. 494 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.360 Um, you know, how how are those businesses in rural cities going 495 00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.599 to get their supplies? How are they going to be doing business? Are 496 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.440 we just going to be squeezing out rural cities, like rural towns, real 497 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.360 people, um? You know? And then how is that work into our 498 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:24.119 class system? Like I don't know, because they can't have a hospital in 499 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:30.920 every little zone every fifteen minutes, a hospital that has stated the arch equipment 500 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:37.519 and doctors. Um, it's just not possible. Um. So yeah, 501 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.679 so we're gonna have to call an ambulance to take you three zones over. 502 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.000 That's going to cost you. So we're not going to people on lower income, 503 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.880 They're not going to be able to afford to do that. So, 504 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.480 like you said, it's going to create like a whole separate class and to 505 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.519 the vitus even even further. Yeah, like what if you have, like 506 00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:01.199 you know, a family member that's in the hospital or you know, needs 507 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:05.800 to be somewhere else for medical attention or something like that, like a child, 508 00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:08.119 you know, are you wanting to give you an apartment in that zone? 509 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.480 And then if we start going there, then that just opens up a 510 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.960 whole other account of worms where we're going to give people apartments from if we 511 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.719 need to start doing that so that they can live in his own temporarily. 512 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.920 Um, where is that coming from? Who's going to own that? You 513 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:29.440 know? What is the system that's going to be behind that. It seems 514 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.519 like to really implement fifteen minutes cities, you need to implement a lot of 515 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:40.519 other like systems and policies and structures that aren't currently in place. And I'm 516 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.800 just really I'm sure why these aren't being discussed. I Mean, these seem 517 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.719 like things that we'd really have to think through before implementation, and yet cities 518 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:57.360 are already implementing this stuff. Yeah. Well, you're bringing up some interesting 519 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:06.639 points on housing though, in the term affordable housing um is very vague, 520 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:13.559 and if we if we look closely in from when we were growing up to 521 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:22.559 our children. The possibility of home ownership has shrunk. It has shrunk tremendously. 522 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:28.880 That UM that they're with the whole fifteen minute city thing. Are they 523 00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:34.920 going to push out the idea of homeownership and that somebody, somebody else owns 524 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:40.519 the landing you're just renting, and I think even the types of homes, 525 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:47.960 but they're building, they're they're pushing a certain type of home because what would 526 00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:54.239 be in the market but another year and a half, UM that anything that's 527 00:49:54.280 --> 00:50:00.679 an oppress range is going to be a small condo three bedrooms, UM, 528 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:06.039 when we don't want a small condo in three bedrooms, we want something slightly 529 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.440 bigger. But they're not making they're not making like those types of houses. 530 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:15.800 UM that like where we are now anymore, because you're trying to stock as 531 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:23.480 many people and create and I'm seeing more and more of UM retail below residential 532 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:30.719 above. So they're not they may not be doing a fifteen minite city, 533 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.159 but they are. They're they're trying that. They're they're already starting to create 534 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:39.679 it, create it with UM forcing developers to put retail underneath and smaller three 535 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:47.400 junior three bedroom condos up above. Um with tiny balconies and new yard and 536 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:52.400 making it more a communal um moving space. Yeah, and below, and 537 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:59.480 not everybody wants that. But that's all that the knee developments that's being built 538 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:05.199 through the vast majority of new development that's it's being built. Yeah, yeah, 539 00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.800 I mean that's it's not even actually healthy living for some people. Some 540 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:14.719 people, and we know this, are very sensitive to WiFi routers things like 541 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:19.119 that. And if you're that kind of person and you're living in a like 542 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:25.639 densely compacted apartment building, there are actual health problems that you're going to have 543 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:31.559 living that close to that many routers that you know, many signals that are 544 00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:38.519 just on all day. So it's not even actually reasonably living conditions for some 545 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:44.960 people, even if you could do it and you did like it, you 546 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:50.760 know, from every other standpoint. Right, So again there's another nuanced conversation. 547 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.679 We aren't all built the same, we're not all builts to live the 548 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:58.079 same, we're not all built to be eating the same things. And you 549 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.280 know, it is a little concerning when you start king at fifteen minute cities 550 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.239 that there would be some sort of where that we would all need to be 551 00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:10.000 living in order to adapt to that and would that actually be reasonable to be 552 00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:15.559 asking everyone to do? Yeah, right, and that that's a good point 553 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.760 because they're trying to make this crookie cutter solution that's going to work everywhere, 554 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:27.760 regardless of climate, of geography, population, UM. This fifteen minutes ce 555 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.679 this, this is the way, UM, but it's not. There's so 556 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:37.599 we've talked of it. There's so many nuances and gray areas in the conversation 557 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.119 that it's not going to work the way that it's going to It's not going 558 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.840 to work the same in in every single area around the world. UM. 559 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:52.000 It has to be adopted to to the region, to the to the area, 560 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:58.760 to the population that's there, UM, and UM find solutions for those 561 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:04.159 individual area is not just some cookie cutter It works here, so it's got 562 00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.280 to work over in Australia. Well yeah, and then if you don't feel 563 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:14.280 to special privileges, and then how do we determine special privileges? Um? 564 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:19.239 You know who's who's doing that? Who gets to leap for special privileged reasons 565 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:24.679 or you know, bring in different foods for special privileged reasons. I find 566 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:28.920 a fascinating that we're talking about fifteen minutes cities for light climate change, but 567 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.679 we still fly our food halfway over the planet, you know, food that 568 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:38.440 could be grown here if we actually supported better agricultural practices and actually gave people, 569 00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:44.719 you know, the ability to go run farms in a really smart way. 570 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:49.599 US that have mixed m you know, they're mixed. They're not just 571 00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.280 you know, cattle, they're not dis vegetables, they're not just you know, 572 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.039 because there's a lot of implications with that. Really farming needs to be 573 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:59.119 mixed. We need to be doing all these different things on the same lands 574 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:05.480 that it can be revitalized and renourished and actually be you smartly. But we're 575 00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:10.360 not doing that like that. This system kind of systematically pushes those options away 576 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.039 too. So are we gonna start flying in We're gonna be like saving ourselves 577 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:20.159 with like carbon climate change stuff in a fifteen minutes city, but we're going 578 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.679 to be flying more stuff in or I mean, it's a weird And then 579 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:28.039 I heard where did I hear the other day some newscasters talking about like starting 580 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.679 to little an application to fly places too, because like that's bad as well. 581 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.199 And then what we need to start asking for permission to go on vacations 582 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:42.199 and business trips and we would be able like applying and you know this, 583 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.760 they made it sound very exciting, um, because you know, you get 584 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:52.599 to apply to travel and it it sounds super exciting to me. I'm like, 585 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:58.800 who decides and if your trip to go see your dying relative is okay 586 00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.679 or your trip for business is okay, and if we are doing fifteen minutes 587 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:08.599 cities, then we'll trips for business be okay at all outside of even our 588 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:14.800 drive a whole zones. Um. You know, like how far does this 589 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.639 reach out and how far does it restrict us? And then again, do 590 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.280 some people get special privileges like you guys are really good speakers when you get 591 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:29.880 like a special card that lets you travel around and speak or yeah yeah, 592 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:35.199 yeah, well you you see, see this whole application to travel thing. 593 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.159 You bring up a good point when you talk about the mesh media person standing 594 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:42.320 in front of a camera or sitting in front of a camera as it were. 595 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:50.760 Yeah, they weren't setting And it's like, how exciting is is that 596 00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:57.559 you get to apply for It's like they're they're they're building up a wall of 597 00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:05.159 propaganda that people like, oh see that he made it sound exciting and it's 598 00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.960 okay, I'm going to drop the first F bomb in this whole conversation. 599 00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:17.320 It's on my fuck. But we just look at the NEXTUS cards. The 600 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:24.400 conditioning for this type of applying to travel UM. An excess card makes you 601 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:29.880 travel between Canada and the USUM super fast. You don't have to wait in 602 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:34.639 line. UM. You just have to apply for it and go through security 603 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:40.719 checks and and pay a fee for this extra privilege. So for for years 604 00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:46.360 since the introduction of it, it's it's it's just another way of conditioning us 605 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:52.480 slowly over time and introducing bit like bit um like. This whole thing reminds 606 00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:58.239 me of like a pointalism painting. When you're looking at it really up close, 607 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.880 it's just a bunch of little random dots and you can't see it. 608 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.559 But then when you step back, you see the whole picture. And that's 609 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.880 kind of like what they're doing here with us is that they're giving us. 610 00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:12.280 They're making a stand two inches away from the painting, and here's a dot, 611 00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.480 here's a dot, here's a dot. It's all good, um, 612 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.880 because these are nice, these are nice colors and whatever, um, But 613 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.639 they don't want you to step back and see the big picture. Yeah, 614 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:27.119 they don't want to see what you're doing. Yeah, nothing, what they're 615 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:32.320 doing. Yeah on the on the step back part. And um, there's 616 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:42.800 a legislation in um in Ottawa that they wrapped around that idea of social media 617 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:50.280 that in this bill was actually created during covid because there was people out there 618 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.800 saying, well, questioning what it was that we were doing during during the 619 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:59.440 covid UM pandemic. And now that we're past it, of course past the 620 00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:07.480 pandemic, but this bill would actually make it more or less make it illegal 621 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:12.840 for you to say anything outside of what the mass media is talking about that 622 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:16.199 if you make a post that it can be yanked down and maybe you can 623 00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:22.679 be fined. How are they determined with digital currency? How are they determined 624 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.960 that that fine would look like maybe you lose social media points or something. 625 00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:35.000 But this bill is sitting there and just waiting for the right vote to happen 626 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:39.960 so that it can be passed through and know and people are thinking that it's 627 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:49.719 aims solely at those people who want to cause controversy, But the controversy is 628 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:55.559 really what the bill actually says and how it can affect anyone and take take 629 00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:01.840 your ability to speak up away from you. Yeah. I mean people often 630 00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:07.960 agree with these things when they agree with whatever the government is saying at the 631 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:12.840 moment or the media. But I mean as soon as you flip around and 632 00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:19.360 they believe something that you know goes against that you know, it tends to 633 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:23.480 change. And we've seen listen in previous civilizations and previous societies. Right, 634 00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:27.920 it's all fine and dandy when you feel like you're on the right side of 635 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.960 it to be penalizing other people for speaking up and having different opinions. But 636 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.920 you know, when it turns and it becomes your turn to be quieted or 637 00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.599 to be told to do something that you don't agree with, or to have 638 00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:47.239 your family subjected to something that you don't believe in, then it you know, 639 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:52.039 then it's like, oh, well, Lakes, but it's too late, 640 00:59:52.119 --> 01:00:00.760 all right, you know? Yeah, anyway, because we can, 641 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:05.519 we can keep going with this, but we do have a time limit. 642 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:10.840 So um, why don't we get to final thoughts and LB final thoughts on 643 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:21.840 um on fifteen minutes cities and combined with with digital currency separately or combined. 644 01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:24.480 I think there needs to be a lot more public, open discussion about it. 645 01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:28.239 There's a lot more questions that need to be asked, there's a lot 646 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:31.679 of answers that need to be provided. We would need to set really appropriate 647 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:37.000 limits and boundaries. Um as things are being rolled out now, I think 648 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.639 it's a completely slippery so um, I don't think you know, people should 649 01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:46.840 be supporting just a haphazard sort of roll out. Um, why would we 650 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:51.559 do that? I mean, that's just that's not that's not a good data 651 01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:52.800 run your life. It's not a good way to run a business. It's 652 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:57.280 not a good way to run a country or a city. Right. Um, 653 01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:02.920 people should really be looking were in depth, well thought out answers on 654 01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:09.880 both of these things, and really be looking into as many aspects of these 655 01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:15.559 issues as they can because you know, as we've just like touched on this 656 01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:21.360 attiue leading a little bit today, there's so many parts of our society and 657 01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:25.480 our family life and our personal lives that these things would would or could touch 658 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:31.320 on and affect and change. So you know, I think that you know, 659 01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.280 these are topics that we really need to proceed with with a lot of 660 01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:42.599 caution in terms of agreeing with because there's just there's so much this is not 661 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.920 really being fully discussed at this point in a public way, where we would 662 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:51.599 know where things would lead and where they would stop, and what the boundaries 663 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.480 would be, and how we would deal with all of these nuances that would 664 01:01:54.480 --> 01:02:00.599 arise from these two things. Yeah, okay, go ahead, Bob, 665 01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:09.440 I totally agree. Um. I think our leaders, our leaders should have 666 01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:20.599 should make decisions based on on science and economics and public input and not just 667 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:25.960 have like a knee jerk reaction to um, whatever the hot topic is of 668 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:34.920 the day and create a policy that um that's not well thought out and port 669 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:42.960 and ultimately poorly implemented, and then um yeah yeah, the hot science of 670 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:46.800 the day, like all the science, all the science, not just what's 671 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:52.280 trendy right now or what one study showed or whatever it is on any number 672 01:02:52.320 --> 01:03:00.239 of something topics there. Yeah all right, okay, thanks guys, thanks 673 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:07.400 and if thank thank you everybody for listening. And these are some really hot 674 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:16.440 hot topic items and we need to actually investigate as the general public and enforce 675 01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:22.159 our government officials to keep us in a real democracy where we can actually speak 676 01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:25.840 up. So I want to thank everybody again for listening. Please find that 677 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:30.840 subscribe button wherever it may be. On your computer screen or your phone, 678 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:37.000 and keep listening to Policy and Rights as we come up more updates about what 679 01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:44.280 is happening with government policy versus human rights. Thanks guys, then they talking 680 01:03:44.320 --> 01:04:24.400 to you again. Thanks to LB and thanks Bob. Thanks thanks. The 681 01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:30.840 show has been produced by Depictions Media. Please contact us at depictions dot media 682 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:32.159 for more information