Thank you for listening to Depiction's Media Radio. Welcome to Policy Rights to show
about government policy and human rights. Welcome back to Policy and Rights. In
this next conversation you're about to hear UM. We're going I'm going to be
talking with UM special guests LB and Bob homer Um about fifteen minutes Cities and
digital currency. We all know about UM digital currency because of blockchains. And
when we talk about blockchains, of course we are talking about Bitcoin and other
types of public currencies that are decentralized and open to UM the the public too
to mine and gather so that they can gather wealth without it beings part of
a centralized bank. The digital currencies that we're going to be talking about the
day are going to be issued by government so and put through centralized banks like
the Canadian dollar or as it's called, the the looney if it becomes digital,
And what types of controls personal controls are we going to have to give
up and how far are we going to allow the government into our finances and
into our lives with a digital currency, And and we're we're going to also
talk about a Global news report that also spoke about this where they reference the
positivity of the experiment or should I say, the full on use of digital
currency in China and how their social media is actually controlling the people so that
they cannot travel past when it's considered to be their fifteen minutes city. So
there's a lot to talk about, a lot to listen to. So we're
going to bring um LB and Bob Homer on one to the show in a
second so we can hear what they have to say. Because if you know
Bob Homer, he has he has his own podcasts, Conspiracy and Science,
where they talked about fifteen minutes cities. And LB is a great UM advocate
for for human rights and for people, UM to find those rights outside of
what our corporations tend to want us to have. So let's welcome to the
show. Now, let's I'm gonna welcome both LB and Bob Homer to the
show. Bob Homer, as you know UM, he is the host of
Conspiracy and Science. And Bob starting with you, you actually did a um
you did an episode on fifteen minutes cities, right, we did earlier this
year. We talked about, uh, well, I'm the science around the
conspiracy part of the discussion and Jennifer is the science. So I talked about
all the UM the possible negative implications of it, and jen talked about UM
possibly some possible positives UM. But I think we ended up was that there's
a lot of UM, there's a lot of concern around UM making something I
this a reality, Yeah, because on people looks good, but otherwise you
really get to dive into it. UM, there's some serious issues surrounding it.
Yeah. OK, So so UM introducing LB you're of course you're you're
my resident temperament to to my human rights activist stuff, and you're a huge
advocate for human rights, UM, especially with different things with corporations and stuff
like that. So trying to keep our society on track with these things in
equality, right. So well, and you were actually the one who emailed
me the information about fifteen Minutes cities and how it is being approved across Canada,
right. Uh. Yeah, I had come across some information UM that
suggested that in several cities it was being approved in some cities more public where
citizens have the opportunity to chime in and offer their opinion, and in other
cities where it was simply being announced that it was in the works without a
lot of public conversation. Yeah, so from a human rights perspective, you
know, just forting something like that, what are some of the some of
the positives and some of the negatives for human rights with the fifteen minutes city.
Well, as it's already even eluded, it's quite a complex it's quite
a complex topic. And I think the biggest thing is that there's not really
the ability to have really good conversations about where this could all lead without the
governments and the municipalities actually coming out with solid plans and really letting us know
what's going to be happening. Right, So there's a lot of speculation,
there's a lot of conjecture. There's a lot of like where is this thing
going to lead? Where is that going to go? And so if you
look at where it can lead and where it could go and what it could
be used for, I think there's a lot of reasons to be concerned.
But how it's being presented I would see at this moment, without a lot
of detail, as this very sort of you know, climate friendly, easeful
thing like a European village, you know, I mean, who doesn't love
that? You know? My family comes from Europe. I've spent a lot
of time there and it's wonderful right to have everything central and be able to
walk to it's It sounds really nice in how it's being packaged, but we're
not really getting the details. We're not really being told how far it will
go, We're not being told where it will stop, where boundaries will be,
what will happen to people that aren't effective positively by it. And I
think that's probably the most concerning part of this is that there's a real wack
of detailed plans being released to the public, so we really don't know,
right, Okay, So along with that, I'm gonna I'm gonna out there
that there are now I received another email from someone in Alberta about the introduction
of the digital looney, where we all know about blockchains and bitcoin, where
it's decentralized and which allows freedom of opinion and freedom of of um of of
usage of it without because it's decentralized and it's not attached to a central bank
or corporation or government um. But in this particular case, the digital looney
or digital currencies being issued by a government will be through a centralized bank and
what happens when we put those two things together. And it's already in this
one global news report, they were already talking about how China's experimenting with it
and how they're getting great positive results. It's like, so both of you
are aware of how China does their social media and the downside to that.
M M, So what do we think. I think it's a slippery slope
to introduce a non decentralized currency, because with cryptocurrency, like you said,
it is decentralized and it's it's anonymous. But they're proposing is that they're gonna
that the governments will have access in control over what you spend your money on
and how you spend your money. And I think that's a slippery slope of
where that could lead to. It's definitely being suggested that it could be used
as a control measure to make sure that you don't purchase too much of a
certain thing, or purchase things that are not good for the environment, things
like this, And again it's like who's making those decisions? Where does it
stop, Where do rights come into play versus what is potentially being done without
a lot of discussion. Yeah, well, my opinion on this is where
does democracy actually come into if the government's handing it over to us? What
happened to democracy? Well? Are we supposed to decide as as a as
a group in voto and things? So yeah, yeah, I would say
in theory more than in reality. These days, there seems to be a
lot of legislation and decisions being made without a lot of public input, which
is concerning. Yeah, I mean it's been it's been happening for a while.
I mean, I mean we can, I mean, we can be
pretty straight up about this. I mean not everyone's noticed it happening for a
while. I have because I have a background that was somewhat tied into the
medical industry and the school systems, and I saw legislation slowly being put through.
It was really strange. It was strange. There wasn't a lot of
intention behind it. It was being put through without a lot of public conversation,
and then it actually wasn't being used right off the bat, and it
was like, well, what is this being put in for? Yeah?
You know, and then you start progressively moving forward and you start seeing them
tie things into this legislation that was this kind of quietly put under, and
then you start seeing how they have been shaping future policies quite far in advance,
and you start to see the slippery slope. You start to see where
it's like, we aren't they telling us, and what do we need to
have in terms of conversations, and you know, and when is government maybe
getting a little bit too much power and control? Yeah? You know,
for me, the first time I noticed that something was going wrong was the
cable industry. When television was going from being that you need the rabbit ears
to pick up the news to this whole subscription base. You gotta you have
to call Shaw or tell Us and have them plug a cable into your house
in order for you to get television. And when it went up for a
vote in some areas, because it didn't always go up for a vote in
all areas, when it went up for a vote in some areas, that
there was misinformation attached to the vote that a vote yes was actually was actually
the vote no. They twisted the words around so that it confused people.
And that was one of the things that I've noticed that and a lot of
votes, how they're setting things up there. They're introducing confusion and misinformation to
control things. Also m Yeah, it's definitely all within the message and how
they bird things, because a specific phrase could sway somebody one way or the
other when they don't fully understand what they're voting on or or form. Yeah,
exactly right. So and well, if the example I'm bringing up was
probably be forty or two thousand, and we're up to twenty twenty three and
now all of a sudden we're looking at they're trying to introduce a centralized currency
and oh, well, we had Tip McKenzie talking about how it's positive because
oh, with COVID, imagine that we would have been able to as a
government, been able to be your bank account. But at the same time,
if they can befoper bank account, at the same time, can't they
take the money back out again because we said something they didn't like. H
So yep, they've also put legislation through that they can pull money out of
our bank accounts if our systems start feeling those were theory a few years ago,
very quietly as well. There's there's a lot of implications there and just
hocke ability things like that. Security, those are also implications. How many
times have you heard about data breaches with health records, and you apply that
same sort of sense of security to our financial system and it's really unsafe.
Yeah, I don't. I got a survey from the Bank Accnada asking about
the currency, and they did ask about the security, and you know,
my response was, it's just a matter of time until somebody figures out how
to hack it. I mean, in particularly with AI things like this,
Like we're advancing very quickly from a technological standpoint, and you know, it's
just really a matter of time until something's hackable, not really, you know,
and there's nothing more to it than that, like someone's going to figure
it out, and then what do we do if we're all tied into that?
Exactly right? Right, Let's face it, um that the federal government
and especially does not have a very good track record with um cybersecurity m hm,
and especially with the uh A live app or live can or whatever that
up was for travel that they introduced. It was supposed to be like a
six billion dollars a million dollar project or something like that, and then it
escalated to like hundreds of millions of dollars um for really no reason, um,
And so they had no idea what they're doing. So how are they
can we trust them to know what they're doing? Um with the money?
Well, it's it's true. And then we find out that they were,
you know, also selling our operation. Yeah, um it was. But
don't worry when they do a currency they won't do that. No, no,
of course don't. We don't need to worry. It's like having a
really like bad you know, uh, you know friend or level or business
partner, and they keep doing wrong by you're lighting. They won't do it
again. They'll do it differently this time, right, they figuring? Now?
Well on that on that issue? What what what is with transparency in
ethics? I mean, do do our political figures have transparency or ethics?
Like you know, it's like, oh, don't worry, we we we
wouldn't never lie to you. Yeah, I'm in time and time again.
Um yeah, it's kind of like that ongoing abuse of long term relationship.
They've changed just you know, I mean there are people in politics that you
have ethics. I do think so, um, but you know you can
see them really not being able to do their job as well, and you
can see them at this point at where we are in our o current climate,
you can actually see them being berated. You can see it. Like
like looking at Parliament right now, a lot of the time to me just
looks like a school yard, you know, situation where there's like bullying tactics,
there's you know, just mocking people, there's just ignoring people, just
you know, sort of laughing at them versus answering them. Like it's it's
so unprofessional, you know. And there are politicians in that room attempting to
bring up important topics and attempting to have important conversations, and yet there seems
to be a political client climate here in Canada where being professional is just not
a thing, like it's just not required. And I find that also very
concerning, like why aren't we holding our politicians to a higher standard when it
comes to having intelligent conversations actually answering each other's questions. There's topics that are
just being completely avoided as well, and it's quite obvious. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. It is beyond party stripes too. Everybody's been a UM accused
of it and been a part of it. So it's not just one party
versus another, or one province or federally provincially UM. Even local city councils
UM suffer from the same thing. Are these these agendas and um yeah,
it's not all all these appearance of what it is right right done in there.
But as time goes on you get to see the bigger picture. Well,
I'm actually living in a city that's dead center of that one. It's
like oh policing, Uh well, oh no, you don't get a chance
to say how you feel about having should we have the RTMP or shouldn't we
have the RTMP? Well it never was asked of the public. We were
just told, oh, we're getting rid of the RCMP. You know.
So again, where where happened to democracy is? You know, and sometimes
it's not necessarily that it's a bad idea. Um, it's just that we're
not informed and we're not told better. It's just it's kind of pushed down
our throats and and that particular agenda has moved along and it's been being manipulated.
Um yeah, it's true. I mean there's been things that have gone
on in my local St City council, Um where even when I've tried to
bring it up and ask if there is going to be a conversation on it,
is there going to be you know, a time where you know we
could you know, can we send a letter, can we speak up?
Can we voice some concerns? Is there going to be a conversation on this
um. It's interesting because I've ended up seeing um where they've actually pulled it
weight out of the city's per view and they've actually started putting it into other
parts of government. And in the case, I know of one a topic
that I kind of followed and I won't go to the specifics, but it
actually got me all the way up to the top of the provincial couple.
Is weird because I got to basically forward it all the way up there.
It took months to get there, and then no one would answer me,
Like there was like, we're not going to talk to you about this.
So I went from like the city telling me that it was actually like a
city buildings off under their authority, and then it just kept getting pawned off
and pawned off. And it was interesting because I do have a few friends
that are reporters, and there was like no way land, like that's not
at all, like that's the city thing, and I'm like, no,
it's not, you know, And then they followed the breadcrumbs and got the
freedom of informations done on it, and sure enough it's it's it's not.
But cities were paying for these things even though they weren't city decisions, which
is interesting And again I'm wondering what happened with that because traditionally UM not many
people realize this, but in Canada and municipalities actually hold a lot of power.
UM. They actually have a lot of authority to regulate what goes on
within them, and it seems like somewhere along the lines that's kind of gotten
distorted, which is again also kind of an interesting thing to consider. Well,
there was there was an issue around a hospital in UM in one municipality
that it's older hospital and it's good and it's being closed in being replaced.
UM. The replacement of the hospital is being moved from an area where there's
um words, impoverished and it's being moved to a more upscale neighborhood. And
when I asked the mayor about it, he said, is completely out of
my hands. He's like, I wish I could keep keep it, keep
them the UM these medical services where they are and not move them. But
it was completely yanked out of his hands and then move and decided on on
a provincial level and and then handed back to him. So I mean,
and shouldn't the municipality have have the ability to say, hey, but this
this is the group here, they need services and this group over here has
already covered. Shouldn't it shouldn't the mayor of the city or this or the
city council being able to determine that, You would think so. But again
it goes back to the overarching agendas. That's um, people with more power
are kind of imposing on the municipalities and to underneath them. Yeah. Somebody
said to me today about and I, um, I don't know how far
off topic is actually goes. But somebody said said to me a day that
that there's a shadow government that has a corporate agenda. Yes, how far?
How much do you want me to get into that today? Well,
I go for it, Bob, he's preparing now, you're probably the shadow
government probably falls out of the We're probably out of the fifteen minute city and
digital currency because it does stretch fire beyond and it's far more far reach then,
um than anything. Um. Yeah, there's there's there's groups of people
who are in government, who are not in government but are members of UM
corporations that definitely have an influence on policy, not just in Canada, not
just in the US, but UM worldwide. UM some people call them UM
like I don't know how far I want to go in with this, but
like UM because you have like people like the Calidisle Group and UM Bilderberg UM,
those those types of organizations where these rich and powerful people meet and have
weeklong meetings once a year and probably throughout the year, but they have a
very PUBLICUM display once a year and they talk. Supposedly what they talk about
is setting the agendas for UM what's to come. So so what's to come
is just determined by a group of billionaires so to speak, in not by
our actual elected officials or even some of the appointed global officials that we see
like in the u N, the the WHL or any of those sort of
groups. Those are all kind of underneath these other groups. UM. Yeah,
Yeah, there's a lot of interesting stuff. UM yeah. I actually
grew up around a lot of politics. It's an interesting setup. But and
whrise on, I was like I was going to be a politician because I
went through my social studies classes and I saw all this stuff and I was
like, wow, like this this country is built ineffectively, and so I
want I talked to some of these people in politics and one person was like,
please promise me never get into politics, and you know, I was
like, well, what you mean, Like there's all these you know,
checks and safeties and balances, and they said, no, you have to
sell your soul to get as far as they did in politics, which was
quite far. And they're like things they're not what they seem. Things are
not always recorded. Conversations happen all over the place, and it's tied into
big business, huge And I ironically then had a career at another point in
my life a little bit later because I was a kid back then where I
had a career later where I did work with very great, very large international
corporations, and I started to see what this person was talking about. It
was this very interesting seeing the connection between government policies, what companies wanted,
what they didn't want, Seeing where there was maybe stirrups with other governments,
the potential wars things like that occurring. While you start to see how like
tide and everything is. And I'm sure I had like the tenious little viewpoint
of that versus what like, there's no way that was the whole thing,
right, And so it's like it's what I saw is invasive as it was,
there's definitely more there for people to be concerned about, like to be
asking real questions about, because that means that democracy is not really what it
says it is. Um. You know, how often are we just simply
being sold um ideas versus legitimately agree with what's going on and actually knowing that
one thing is going to lead to or the next. Yeah. So,
okay, we've talked about a lot about the bad news part. What is
it in you guys an opinion? What is it that we can actually do
to push back? What can we do to pushback? We all have to
ask questions and not to accept what what we're told, and keep asking those
questions and not just the questions, asking those tough questions, UM, right,
even down to I'll give this a quick example. UM, a few
people were seven or eight years ago. I went to Las Vegas for a
photography convention, and UM, going across them through the TSA security and I
was questioning why I had to take off my belt and my shoes and just
by asking saying why why do we have to do it this way? I
was surrounded in moments by other TSA agents and escorted to a secondary room to
be added down and everything. And just by asking questions like that, it
throws up, um, your your question, someone's authority, and they don't
like that all the way down to the TSA agents and all the way up
to the chain to who's everyone on top. But so by us asking these
questions and not blindly obeying, I think that's one of the ways that we're
going to have to push back and not in like a confrontational way. I
wasn't being confrontational, um, because that wouldn't get us anywhere, and that
just gets negative publicity and um we demonized and whatever. But by being calm,
rational and asking just asking questions um other um politicians, right, and
making businesses accountable too, um like through social media or big business, Um,
what are their practices? What are what are you? What are they
doing to make up their business better? Right? I like that asking questions.
Um. You're reminding me of, of of course, the scientific method.
Right. You keep asking questions because into into till one day we might
actually find the ultimate answer. Yeah, because you've spent so many occasions that
when we're told one thing and then years later it's coming through a freedom of
information or whistle blowers or whatever, that the official story that we got was
completely false. But nobody was asking questions. They were just told that this
was the way and and went with it. But just because it's that way
doesn't mean that's the correct way or the right way or how it should be
done. Right. Yeah, that's a really good lead into you just to
like, you know, in terms of how we have conversations and how we
participate in society, there is a really large culture. Um there's a culture
that's a rising among people that says, like, we can't question things anymore,
right, And that's dangerous because we do need to qusition things. We
do need to use our brains, we need to think about things. We
do need to be able to make decisions for ourselves and our families that work,
and you know, we want to be able to stand by our decisions.
And yet there is this growing culture of like, it's not right to
ask questions. It's not okay, Like to ask that question is invasive,
or that's violent, or you know, you must be stupid to ask that
question. I mean, it's so fascinating because you need to go back,
you know, in time it's like, oh, there's no stupid question ask
questions, you know, like we used to have a culture that encouraged debate,
get encouraged questioning, that encouraged having calm, rational conversations from two different
viewpoints. And now there's this culture of really shutting down viewpoints that are different
than your own, or shutting down questions you can't answer, or shutting down
conversations that are maybe uncomfortable, and that does not breed good relationships, good
policies. It doesn't breed good relationships like one to one or on a larger
scale with our governments. It just creates this sort of vulnerability to this is
what we're all going to do, and we're all going to go with it.
No one's going to question it, no one's going to discuss it.
And then the problem is is sometimes those otherdeals are not good, sometimes are
terrible. We needed to have a you know, a discussion on it.
Sometimes there is something else going on, but no one's getting to the bottom
of it because nobody's asking. So like even in your households, you know,
to have to have a culture where questions can be asked, where your
children, you know, and your other family members can have um, you
know, reasonable debates with each other on different topics where we're not pushing our
ideas and our beliefs on other people then expecting me to go with it.
If you even just create that in your home, right, and that's going
to start to break out past your home and we can actually have these conversations
with our neighbors and other people and then maybe city council and maybe you know,
our schools and maybe our government and things like that, because that questioning
thing that you are talking about is so important. Yet we are systematically building
a culture we're asking questions has now become an active violence or to have a
conversation with someone that is contrary to what they believe is considered violent. And
you know, I don't know about you guys, but when I do history
studies, when cultures start to go that way, that's usually a fairly bad
sign. Like usually nothing good comes after that. So you know, that
is really important for us all to be doing and not to just blindly going
with things and blindly accepting narratives and ideas that are not our own, right,
Yeah, it's it's the whole um. You're either with us or against
this um. So if you don't see it's nothing is black and white,
and they're trying to make it out to be black and white. Yes,
I think you know, if you don't fully believe it, then you must
be against us. Well, it's a very nuanced conversation, you know,
everything made very black and white. I'm like, look, hold on,
there's like all of these there's all of these other things and facts listening out
of this conversation, but you can't bring them up. It's like, no,
that's not what it's about. It's like this or this, and it's
like that's not true. And you know, if you actually look at societies
that go into like a very totalitarian type state, there are there are key
things that happen prior to that, and one of them is this formation of
extremes where the society itself and the government and all of that starts rallying in
two different extremes. And then because of these extreme views on both sides,
which I see in Canada right now, the moderate middle becomes scared of speaking
up. The moderate middle, which is like ninety five percent of people,
become scared to ask questions, to say anything, and yet if they did,
it would lead to the whole society in a more moderate path. Yet
because there's these two extremes, everyone kind of gets silenced. And then,
weirdly enough, these two extremes usually end up offering the same solutions at the
end of the day, Like one is not actually better than the other.
They're both quite rigid and you know, not not the best for the larger
population. Right, Yeah, problem reaction solution and introduced the problems than the
solutions. Yeah, they're great reaction and have the solution for the problem that
they initially created, which is on the extreme end of the spectrum. Mhm.
We saw that in uh Okay in the pandemic, right, A lot
of a lot of the public missed this, and in the end we're seeing
this extreme inflation where our grocery bills are through the roof and to fuel up
our cars is like ultimately ridiculous. But um, what was missed by the
public was at the beginning of the pandemic, when Justin Trudeau decided, oh,
I'm going to create the serub. He had to print almost a trillion
dollars, so he flooded them flooded our economy, the Canadian economy with it
was close to a trillion dollars to be able to pay for the distribution of
the Serb money. Well, what happens when the government decides to print a
whole bunch of money That inflation usually follows a year or two later. Yes,
it's economics, yes, yes, apparently sense, But don't worry.
They can print offs some more money now that costs have gone up, and
they can give you some basic living income so that they can flood it with
more money so that everything can cost even more and you can't afford that either,
but don't worry. Then they'll have some more money. Right, But
then there's the digital currency. We'll solve the problem with the digital currency because
we've already in them printing money anyway, it's a revise, we all digitally
printed. Like if this isn't like it's you know, it's interesting, and
then it's like, wait, can't afford anything, so then yes, like
the fifteen minute seems beautiful because you don't need a car. You don't have
to afford your car, you don't you know, yeah, exactly, you
don't have to go anywhere exactly, it will be nice to the environment.
Um you know, but then what if you do want to go somewhere.
Uh see, that's that's where we're where we're leading into. Well, this
particular conversation as it hits social media and the Chinese model is, as his
conversation would hit social media, that all three of our bank accounts would be
locked up. Go where more more than just your bank account. Literally you
would not be able to go get a train ticket. Um like. They
can fully lock you up, um like, they can restrict you from this,
develop all of your services, and simply because you've been a bad citizen.
Yeah, according to what has been determined to be good or bad?
Right, Um yeah, that's dangerous in my opinion. You know, I
grew up and I learned how to be a functional, responsible adult, and
I don't need the government doing my parent team for me. And I don't
need them doing it for my children either or my grandchildren. And that's you
know, that's not why you know, my ancestors that came, you know,
fled from you know, communist countries to give my family a life here.
That's not what they came, you know, they didn't come here to
have more of that. Well, yeah, well we'll get into the topic
of ancestors because of my ancestors or indigenous Oh wait, colonialism, there's another
topic. We're gonna need a topic Glover right now, thankfully mind him more
recently. Yeah, um, yeah, like there there's lots diffmplifications with this,
right, Like if we if you do have fifteen minute cities and we
do have a digital currency, and you know those two things are tied into
each other. You know, how quickly could you potentially not be able to
access your your your money if you screw up? Um, we do already
know that a lot of the groundwork for watching us on social media has already
been laid. That's you know, that's factual. There's no conspiracy about that.
It's there. It's built into the social media platforms, like you'd probably
already give us a rating. Um, you know, so it's not like,
you know, the conversations around fifteen minutes these is not actually a lot
of conspiracy talk, I would say, even really going on. There's a
lot of actual factual things happening all over the world with it. Um,
that could very easily affect the freedoms that we have and the rights that we
have and our ability to move and our ability to have a business, and
even trying to have conversations with local governments about that. I'm involved with businesses
and we're attempting to have conversations with the municipalities about how we would you know,
if these cities are put in, how does that affect us as businesses?
How do we move from city to city doing our job, having our
employees moved from city to city, would they be penalized? Would we have
the same amount of passes? Would we have more passes? You know,
are they not going to restrict movement at all? In which case, you
know, that's kind of interesting. It's not generally where these conversations are leading
right now, but you know, if that's factually not going to happen,
and we'd like to know that too, or like, how is that going
to affect people's businesses? How is it to get affect where they work?
Like if you have to work within fifteen minutes of you where you live and
you don't work remotely, does that mean you need to get a new job?
And then where if it's a stay money, who handles the extra money
for you? Is that where this basic income conversation is coming in. Then
will you be told that you can just work any job within fifteen minutes and
you can make basic income? Like, there's so many pieces to this that
aren't being discussed. There's a good question is basic income going to pay for
us to maintain the type of of of middle class life that we actually have
right now or is it going to or is there going to be a downgrade?
There is some one going to come from to pay everybody that basic income?
Are they going to prove more money that is going to skyrocket everything?
And the cycle continues, yeah, exactly. And then and then what happens
then d end up right countries where then your choices are now limited because that's
all you know, people can afford. We don't really have a market for
these other things now. Now we don't have businesses that are bringing in new
and innovative products because they've also been restricted by whatever policies are in place and
costs and all that. You know, I know a lot of business owners,
a lot of business owners that I know have left Canada. They're not
here anymore. They're like, you know, where the decisions that are being
made here do not seem beneficial for their businesses. Don't blame them. And
that's another good point. When they did the episode on my show we talked
about this fair bid was if you have the fifteen minute cities, what kind
of what types of businesses are going to be allowed to come in? And
are they going to be They're going to be the cost goes and the big
box stores and the little mom and pop shops are going to be pushed out
because when we are going to be a little afford the rent, they're not
going to have the foot traffic the um so there's there's there's just going to
be big box stores. And are there each zone? Is there going to
be like a costco in every zone? Or like how or like for restaurants
or or they're gonna be like fast food mc Donalds or um or what happens
they have like a subway in art in one zone, but then you want
to go to like an Italian restaurants to zones over How how is that going
to work? When they when they're setting uh limits like in Oxford, Englands,
when you can really go one hundred free trips, or or they're going
to start finding your seventy pounds per extra trip, Like how I don't understand
how that's gonna be beneficial. Yeah, and then do the rich people will
get to like move around more than the poor people, you know, Like
how about that? Um you know how rural people, how are they going
to do that? I mean, look at some rural communities need to like
commend to cities for their medical care for like all of that kind of stuff.
Um, you know, how how are those businesses in rural cities going
to get their supplies? How are they going to be doing business? Are
we just going to be squeezing out rural cities, like rural towns, real
people, um? You know? And then how is that work into our
class system? Like I don't know, because they can't have a hospital in
every little zone every fifteen minutes, a hospital that has stated the arch equipment
and doctors. Um, it's just not possible. Um. So yeah,
so we're gonna have to call an ambulance to take you three zones over.
That's going to cost you. So we're not going to people on lower income,
They're not going to be able to afford to do that. So,
like you said, it's going to create like a whole separate class and to
the vitus even even further. Yeah, like what if you have, like
you know, a family member that's in the hospital or you know, needs
to be somewhere else for medical attention or something like that, like a child,
you know, are you wanting to give you an apartment in that zone?
And then if we start going there, then that just opens up a
whole other account of worms where we're going to give people apartments from if we
need to start doing that so that they can live in his own temporarily.
Um, where is that coming from? Who's going to own that? You
know? What is the system that's going to be behind that. It seems
like to really implement fifteen minutes cities, you need to implement a lot of
other like systems and policies and structures that aren't currently in place. And I'm
just really I'm sure why these aren't being discussed. I Mean, these seem
like things that we'd really have to think through before implementation, and yet cities
are already implementing this stuff. Yeah. Well, you're bringing up some interesting
points on housing though, in the term affordable housing um is very vague,
and if we if we look closely in from when we were growing up to
our children. The possibility of home ownership has shrunk. It has shrunk tremendously.
That UM that they're with the whole fifteen minute city thing. Are they
going to push out the idea of homeownership and that somebody, somebody else owns
the landing you're just renting, and I think even the types of homes,
but they're building, they're they're pushing a certain type of home because what would
be in the market but another year and a half, UM that anything that's
an oppress range is going to be a small condo three bedrooms, UM,
when we don't want a small condo in three bedrooms, we want something slightly
bigger. But they're not making they're not making like those types of houses.
UM that like where we are now anymore, because you're trying to stock as
many people and create and I'm seeing more and more of UM retail below residential
above. So they're not they may not be doing a fifteen minite city,
but they are. They're they're trying that. They're they're already starting to create
it, create it with UM forcing developers to put retail underneath and smaller three
junior three bedroom condos up above. Um with tiny balconies and new yard and
making it more a communal um moving space. Yeah, and below, and
not everybody wants that. But that's all that the knee developments that's being built
through the vast majority of new development that's it's being built. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that's it's not even actually healthy living for some people. Some
people, and we know this, are very sensitive to WiFi routers things like
that. And if you're that kind of person and you're living in a like
densely compacted apartment building, there are actual health problems that you're going to have
living that close to that many routers that you know, many signals that are
just on all day. So it's not even actually reasonably living conditions for some
people, even if you could do it and you did like it, you
know, from every other standpoint. Right, So again there's another nuanced conversation.
We aren't all built the same, we're not all builts to live the
same, we're not all built to be eating the same things. And you
know, it is a little concerning when you start king at fifteen minute cities
that there would be some sort of where that we would all need to be
living in order to adapt to that and would that actually be reasonable to be
asking everyone to do? Yeah, right, and that that's a good point
because they're trying to make this crookie cutter solution that's going to work everywhere,
regardless of climate, of geography, population, UM. This fifteen minutes ce
this, this is the way, UM, but it's not. There's so
we've talked of it. There's so many nuances and gray areas in the conversation
that it's not going to work the way that it's going to It's not going
to work the same in in every single area around the world. UM.
It has to be adopted to to the region, to the to the area,
to the population that's there, UM, and UM find solutions for those
individual area is not just some cookie cutter It works here, so it's got
to work over in Australia. Well yeah, and then if you don't feel
to special privileges, and then how do we determine special privileges? Um?
You know who's who's doing that? Who gets to leap for special privileged reasons
or you know, bring in different foods for special privileged reasons. I find
a fascinating that we're talking about fifteen minutes cities for light climate change, but
we still fly our food halfway over the planet, you know, food that
could be grown here if we actually supported better agricultural practices and actually gave people,
you know, the ability to go run farms in a really smart way.
US that have mixed m you know, they're mixed. They're not just
you know, cattle, they're not dis vegetables, they're not just you know,
because there's a lot of implications with that. Really farming needs to be
mixed. We need to be doing all these different things on the same lands
that it can be revitalized and renourished and actually be you smartly. But we're
not doing that like that. This system kind of systematically pushes those options away
too. So are we gonna start flying in We're gonna be like saving ourselves
with like carbon climate change stuff in a fifteen minutes city, but we're going
to be flying more stuff in or I mean, it's a weird And then
I heard where did I hear the other day some newscasters talking about like starting
to little an application to fly places too, because like that's bad as well.
And then what we need to start asking for permission to go on vacations
and business trips and we would be able like applying and you know this,
they made it sound very exciting, um, because you know, you get
to apply to travel and it it sounds super exciting to me. I'm like,
who decides and if your trip to go see your dying relative is okay
or your trip for business is okay, and if we are doing fifteen minutes
cities, then we'll trips for business be okay at all outside of even our
drive a whole zones. Um. You know, like how far does this
reach out and how far does it restrict us? And then again, do
some people get special privileges like you guys are really good speakers when you get
like a special card that lets you travel around and speak or yeah yeah,
yeah, well you you see, see this whole application to travel thing.
You bring up a good point when you talk about the mesh media person standing
in front of a camera or sitting in front of a camera as it were.
Yeah, they weren't setting And it's like, how exciting is is that
you get to apply for It's like they're they're they're building up a wall of
propaganda that people like, oh see that he made it sound exciting and it's
okay, I'm going to drop the first F bomb in this whole conversation.
It's on my fuck. But we just look at the NEXTUS cards. The
conditioning for this type of applying to travel UM. An excess card makes you
travel between Canada and the USUM super fast. You don't have to wait in
line. UM. You just have to apply for it and go through security
checks and and pay a fee for this extra privilege. So for for years
since the introduction of it, it's it's it's just another way of conditioning us
slowly over time and introducing bit like bit um like. This whole thing reminds
me of like a pointalism painting. When you're looking at it really up close,
it's just a bunch of little random dots and you can't see it.
But then when you step back, you see the whole picture. And that's
kind of like what they're doing here with us is that they're giving us.
They're making a stand two inches away from the painting, and here's a dot,
here's a dot, here's a dot. It's all good, um,
because these are nice, these are nice colors and whatever, um, But
they don't want you to step back and see the big picture. Yeah,
they don't want to see what you're doing. Yeah, nothing, what they're
doing. Yeah on the on the step back part. And um, there's
a legislation in um in Ottawa that they wrapped around that idea of social media
that in this bill was actually created during covid because there was people out there
saying, well, questioning what it was that we were doing during during the
covid UM pandemic. And now that we're past it, of course past the
pandemic, but this bill would actually make it more or less make it illegal
for you to say anything outside of what the mass media is talking about that
if you make a post that it can be yanked down and maybe you can
be fined. How are they determined with digital currency? How are they determined
that that fine would look like maybe you lose social media points or something.
But this bill is sitting there and just waiting for the right vote to happen
so that it can be passed through and know and people are thinking that it's
aims solely at those people who want to cause controversy, But the controversy is
really what the bill actually says and how it can affect anyone and take take
your ability to speak up away from you. Yeah. I mean people often
agree with these things when they agree with whatever the government is saying at the
moment or the media. But I mean as soon as you flip around and
they believe something that you know goes against that you know, it tends to
change. And we've seen listen in previous civilizations and previous societies. Right,
it's all fine and dandy when you feel like you're on the right side of
it to be penalizing other people for speaking up and having different opinions. But
you know, when it turns and it becomes your turn to be quieted or
to be told to do something that you don't agree with, or to have
your family subjected to something that you don't believe in, then it you know,
then it's like, oh, well, Lakes, but it's too late,
all right, you know? Yeah, anyway, because we can,
we can keep going with this, but we do have a time limit.
So um, why don't we get to final thoughts and LB final thoughts on
um on fifteen minutes cities and combined with with digital currency separately or combined.
I think there needs to be a lot more public, open discussion about it.
There's a lot more questions that need to be asked, there's a lot
of answers that need to be provided. We would need to set really appropriate
limits and boundaries. Um as things are being rolled out now, I think
it's a completely slippery so um, I don't think you know, people should
be supporting just a haphazard sort of roll out. Um, why would we
do that? I mean, that's just that's not that's not a good data
run your life. It's not a good way to run a business. It's
not a good way to run a country or a city. Right. Um,
people should really be looking were in depth, well thought out answers on
both of these things, and really be looking into as many aspects of these
issues as they can because you know, as we've just like touched on this
attiue leading a little bit today, there's so many parts of our society and
our family life and our personal lives that these things would would or could touch
on and affect and change. So you know, I think that you know,
these are topics that we really need to proceed with with a lot of
caution in terms of agreeing with because there's just there's so much this is not
really being fully discussed at this point in a public way, where we would
know where things would lead and where they would stop, and what the boundaries
would be, and how we would deal with all of these nuances that would
arise from these two things. Yeah, okay, go ahead, Bob,
I totally agree. Um. I think our leaders, our leaders should have
should make decisions based on on science and economics and public input and not just
have like a knee jerk reaction to um, whatever the hot topic is of
the day and create a policy that um that's not well thought out and port
and ultimately poorly implemented, and then um yeah yeah, the hot science of
the day, like all the science, all the science, not just what's
trendy right now or what one study showed or whatever it is on any number
of something topics there. Yeah all right, okay, thanks guys, thanks
and if thank thank you everybody for listening. And these are some really hot
hot topic items and we need to actually investigate as the general public and enforce
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