WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.160 Hey, everybody, This is Left Strive. Yes, yes, I know 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:30.120 aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatchis. Hey there, 3 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.320 welcome back to Sasquatchis. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is 4 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.640 Wednesday. I hope you're having a great week. We have an amazing show 5 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.840 light though for you. But before we get there, I want to start 6 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:43.119 by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on 7 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.600 the show, shoot me an email you and get me at Brian Apparentomoworld Productions 8 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:49.439 dot com. Can head over to the website, check it out, become 9 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:54.719 a member there and help support the show. This is round two of our 10 00:00:54.840 --> 00:01:00.119 roundtable that we did on Calling All Beings with Doug Hicheck, Amy Boo, 11 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:07.319 Scott Tompkins, Sabilla Irwin and me and we get into whether Bigfoot use caves, 12 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.200 whether they live on the edges of society. We finished out this pretty 13 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.200 strong, in my opinion, with some really great conversation and some really cool 14 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:19.159 theories on what these things may and may not do. I've had several people 15 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.799 reach out to me over the last week and emails and leaving me some voicemails 16 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.000 and saying I should do more shameless book plugging on the show to get the 17 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:27.280 book out there. So I'm going to take a few seconds to do that. 18 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:34.000 Here. 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It's all you have to do is sit back, relax 28 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:27.080 and enjoy the show. This is a question from Pam Sper, my friend 29 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.800 from Central Florida, and she would like to know Nathan, would you read 30 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:32.680 that one, sir? Absolutely all right, so Pam says, DJ, 31 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:36.599 I would like to know from some of the panel, what do you think 32 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:40.680 about skunk Florida, Louisiana, Texas. Do you believe them to be some 33 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:46.719 fort of monkey instead of a bigfoot. I would like to tackle that one 34 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.599 just really quickly. I'll say I believe that skunk cape is some sort of 35 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.400 a bigfoot. That's just always been my take on it. And again, 36 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:58.680 I've had some very aggressive encounters come out of Louisiana where dogs have been killed 37 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.080 and thrown forty eat over people's Hey, it's I don't think it's a smaller 38 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.840 version of some sort of a monkey or something. In my opinion doing that, 39 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.439 I think it's some sort of a bigfoot. Bergman's law, you know, 40 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:13.759 in full effect. Yeah, and there later, they're often described with 41 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:19.280 reddish hair. It would tend to heat up less than black hair or gray 42 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:23.199 hair. So yeah, I think they're just a form of a bigfoot too. 43 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:25.960 That's definitely on the far end of Bergman's law. They're smaller with a 44 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.039 smaller body mass. Scott, Yeah, I agree with Brian and Doug. 45 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:34.199 I'll chime in with I don't know if everyone knows this, but there's actually 46 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.840 a population of monkeys that live in Ocala State Park. There. There's a 47 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:40.840 small population of monkeys that live in the swamps there, so you may be 48 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:46.560 seeing monkeys actually, but I do believe the skunk ape that populates the Gulf 49 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:52.280 coast is a bigfoot. And Alex Pettikov, who is a wonderful researcher, 50 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:57.319 and I have done a lot of research and talks about that hot spot that's 51 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:01.439 in central Florida there near Ocala. He and I did an expedition into the 52 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:05.759 Achafalaya last year. We paddled in and camped all the way in what we 53 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:11.080 determined was a good spot looking for big foot. Nothing eventful, but it 54 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:15.040 was quite an experience to learn what it's like to quote unquote live in that 55 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.399 swamp, the biggest swamp in the US. Long winded answer. I think 56 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.639 it's a big foot more than a monkey. Yeah, it seems to me. 57 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:25.839 They would all be from the same family to a degree. Let's see 58 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.439 what else we got here. Actually we have to let's go and let's finish 59 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:30.639 our roundtable and then we can get to some of the questions in the chat 60 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:32.959 with the time we got left. So is that you yeah, mister sharp, 61 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:35.800 Oh, it's my turn to ask a question, Yes, sir, 62 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:41.920 okay, I have it written to shameless book plug number two. In chapter 63 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.959 eleven of Sasquatch Unleashed The Truth behind the Legion, I talk about this human 64 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:54.000 population growth and land loss, how it potentially affects Bigfoot their movements, and 65 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:58.600 more importantly, I guess for me, just as a side subject, how 66 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.759 does it affect how many the sidings we have of these things when we're encroaching 67 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:05.639 into their area. So I'd like to hear from the panel what they're feeling 68 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:11.759 on our human population growth and land loss, how it affects the population of 69 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.600 Sasquatch that are out there. Let's just take the continental United States. I 70 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.279 just want to say, Brian, you and I should talk about your branding 71 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:23.720 because I'm having a hard time figuring out the name of your podcast what you're 72 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.639 hosting, So let's we got to work on that anyway, Scott, go 73 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.040 ahead, sir. Yeah, I've been taking notes here. I'm going to 74 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.199 make a banner for the next time. Doug made this banner for me, 75 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.120 so maybe you can venmo him some money and people like yeah, will, 76 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:39.160 There's a few things I'm going to odug for I think after this call and 77 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.439 you but bigfoots all over the map, dude, A consulting fee for sure, 78 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:46.920 But to jump on your question, and this is actually one of my 79 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:50.839 favorite things to look at because it's very easily viewed through a map when you 80 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:56.600 have the good data set to put behind all the points in the map, 81 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.920 all the reports that have come in. I'll refer to the data set first. 82 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.879 It's the Green Infrastructure data set put out by EZRI. And what it 83 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.560 is. It's a bunch of corridors, right that connect wildlife hubs. So 84 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:11.959 like a wildlife hub would be a state forest, a national forest, state 85 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.680 park, a big green area with high conservation value so it can support a 86 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:21.319 lot of wildlife. Right. And then between these areas you start to get 87 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:26.279 the most traveled corridors, which have the least cost pathways. So what's the 88 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.120 path of least resistance between each each hub? Right? You can start to 89 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:35.439 see what human progress, I guess i'll call it and development is doing to 90 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:41.319 these corridors. It's starting to squeeze them so they become more and more defined 91 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:46.560 funnels. So if you look at land use or land cuver over time and 92 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.079 go back as far as you can, you'll see that there's just vast areas 93 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:54.879 it's hard to whittle down really identifiable corridors, or there might be a lot 94 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:58.199 of corridors in a specific area, but when you start to pave over things, 95 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:02.560 build highways, you start to separate environments things like that that you can 96 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:09.639 really start to see defined corridors. And I think that may increase the amount 97 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:12.879 of sightings because now you need people to have sightings, but now there's so 98 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.879 much more surrounding these corridors and they're few and far between in highly developed areas 99 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:21.720 that the wildlife, not just bigfoot in these areas have no choice but to 100 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:26.560 go through the same funnel over and over again between these big areas, so 101 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.439 that's when they're exposed. That's when they're at risk of being seen from the 102 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.199 side of a highway perhaps, or people hiking things like that, because now 103 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:39.439 there's a lot more outdoor activity, especially in the Pacific Northwest, for example, 104 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.120 there's so many hikers. That's such a big part of the culture, 105 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.920 and that's why you see such a big hotspot there right now. In the 106 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.680 southeast, maybe you don't see that as many sightings in the summer because as 107 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:53.160 Sibylla pointed out, it's a million degrees here and nobody wants to be out 108 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.480 in the swamp with the mosquitos the size of your fist. You might not 109 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:01.279 see those sightings, but there are people driving the highways down in the southeast, 110 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.600 for example, and in Florida and hotter areas that are heavily developed where 111 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:11.439 you might see wildlife from the road. So I think, again, I'm 112 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.560 pretty long winded. It must be the caffeine tonight. But to answer your 113 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:18.519 question, I think that sightings are increasing, that sharp increase from like the 114 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:24.680 sixties forward because of human development, just displacing these creatures from their environment, 115 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.439 habitat destruction, things like that, and then what's really left behind for them 116 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.639 to travel is sparse, right, so they only have the choice of using 117 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:39.759 these corridors that are left over, or that weave between suburbs or things like 118 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.679 that, drainages, rivers, creeks, et cetera. I was going to 119 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.399 say, this is not long winded. I heard a podcast the other night, 120 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.279 Scott the Post went an hour and forty minutes and never got to ask 121 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.200 a question. It wasn't one that I did, wasn't now I'm not going 122 00:08:54.240 --> 00:09:01.879 to tell anybody who it was on here, but the ange sometimes an hour 123 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.960 and forty minutes that the host never got to ask his first question. Anyway, 124 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.000 let's go to Amy Fu on that. I hope that I'm going to 125 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.320 answer the question. Okay, I started getting going off of tangents in my 126 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:20.440 own mind, But as far as where they can survive privately, as far 127 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:26.039 as that land disappearing, I think it's scary for all kinds of animals. 128 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.039 The first thing I thought about when you asked that question was I remember reading 129 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.000 an article last year. Hopefully I don't get details wrong, so I'm not 130 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.080 going to say that many details, but there were in Africa there were a 131 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.639 bunch of elephants that were dying and they couldn't figure out why they were dying, 132 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.120 like hundreds of elephants. From what I remember, it was because just 133 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:52.399 exactly that their habitat was shrinking, so their population was denser, and then 134 00:09:52.639 --> 00:10:01.480 there was some type of bacteria that was attacking them and and they died from 135 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:07.279 it. So I think it's a concern for all animals if that is to 136 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.639 happen, And I don't know what to do about it, but I agree 137 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:15.320 with you Scott that the likelihood of seeing one is probably greater as they're crowding 138 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.240 in. But I know you don't think so either. If it's not a 139 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.639 good thing, but it's something to be concerned about, Yep, maybe sightings 140 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:28.960 will pick up, mister Hotchik. I listened to what Scott said, but 141 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.000 one thing that's never talked about is that, yeah, these corridors and there's 142 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.279 a lot of development, are getting narrower, but that's where the animals are 143 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.960 focused. That's where all the wild turkeys exist, that's where all the deer 144 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.360 exists. They're focused. If any of you ever gone into the true wilderness, 145 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.360 I'll bet you good money you won't even see a bird. You won't 146 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.480 see deer, you won't see moves, you won't see anything. Most of 147 00:10:54.519 --> 00:11:01.200 the animals stay towards the edges. If man has made a road, that's 148 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.360 your best spot a spotting something. Because they were using those areas. If 149 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.240 there's farm fields, edges, barbedoyer, it's actually helped wildlife. And I 150 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:18.559 think Bigfoot punches into those suburban areas. The urban sprawl to go after the 151 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.840 wildlife so bad. Here in my own neighborhood, the wildlife it's hard to 152 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:28.519 even go biking because there's so many deer hurts so many turkey flocks and they're 153 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.879 blocking the trails. It's insane off to wait in an hour, sometimes even 154 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.240 get by because there's so much wildlife and I don't want to plow through herd 155 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.080 a deer. But this is where we're seeing the fox, the coyotes, 156 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.879 the grouse, the pheasants, just everything. And then of course you've got 157 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.639 eagles and hawks overhead. So yeah, there's a price to pay for urban 158 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:56.200 sprawl, but there's also some benefits. It does seem to balance out because 159 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:01.720 they're finding out right now that wolves are actually thriving because of the man made 160 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.480 edges, because of the roads, because of the trails, gives them very 161 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.679 easy trail of corridors. So that's the other side of the coin. And 162 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.519 I'm not saying I'm for urban sprawl. I'm not. I think it's gotten 163 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:18.720 way out of hand, but I do know that the wildlife seems to adapt 164 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:24.559 to it and flocks to it because we have a bigger variety of plants on 165 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:30.799 those edges. We have agriculture on those edges, which many animals take advantage 166 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.440 of, and so it may not beat the predator that takes advantage of the 167 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:39.039 agriculture. It may be the prey animal that does, and so it attracts 168 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.240 the predator. So it's far more complicated than one might think. I also 169 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:48.120 wanted to respond to one of the comments. I think somebody misunderstood me when 170 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:54.240 I was saying bigfoots operate on fear. I think she thought or he thought 171 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.639 I was saying bigfoots cause fear and people. No, I was saying, 172 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.279 one of animal operates on here. It's afraid of humans. It stays away 173 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.559 from humans. It does what it can to avoid humans. That's what I 174 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.840 meant, and I just wanted to clarify that too. Sibylla. Let's say 175 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.279 you're headed down to your local dairy queen in southwest Texas to get a blizzard. 176 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.279 I'm sure you get an oreo blizzard every now and again. Do you 177 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.399 expect to see big foot? I believe these beings are so highly intelligent and 178 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:31.480 so highly adaptive. I really think that if they're living in close proximity of 179 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.320 people, that they learn. And the reason why I say this is because 180 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:37.919 I felt this when I moved into that house in Crienttinton, Kentucky. I 181 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.559 really felt like I was watched and studied Okay, so here, let's see 182 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:46.320 what kind of a threat this person is, and that I was watched and 183 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.679 studied, and then you know, human beings lives are so incredibly patterned that 184 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:56.000 it wouldn't take very long to know what time these people are getting up, 185 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:58.039 what time they're leaving for work, what time they're coming home, what time 186 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.080 they go to bed, so that if you were going to wanted to raid 187 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.480 their chickens, you'd know exactly what time when the lights went out to go 188 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:09.320 get their chickens or something. So I really think that these creatures are so 189 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:15.799 adaptable. It's just my experience that they're so highly adaptable to their situations and 190 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:20.360 to what's going on in their situations that I think these things can be living 191 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:26.279 right around people. And after living on this place for five years, I 192 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.360 absolutely understand why there's farmers all around there that had no idea that the Sasquatch 193 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:37.080 are living among them, because what they do on a daily basis is so 194 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.879 subtle that if you're not paying attention, you're not going to see the things 195 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.639 they leave behind unless they're slamming your house, which they did that they're with 196 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.639 throw things. But I think the average person is just going to write stuff 197 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.120 off to something else. I think that they're highly adaptive and they can live 198 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.639 around humans, and if the neighborhood keeps expanding, they'll just keep adapting. 199 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:58.080 I think the only reason they slapped the house they've thought like, oh, 200 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.000 Sibylla's made fries. She's not using lard, she's using canola oil. That 201 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.440 probably made them a little angry. That was everybody. So we got some 202 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:11.480 questions from the chat here. This is from our friend Mick from the UK 203 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.519 Debs. Would you read this one man question? Has Doug and anyone on 204 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:20.960 the panel managed to capture any really good video footage of sasquatch? No video 205 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:22.960 footage, but I'll put an astrosk up. I haven't got to ask my 206 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.960 question of all you guys yet. Oh, I'm sorry, Scott goes next. 207 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.399 We'll go ahead and answer the question. But I haven't leaded any video 208 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:35.320 footage. I wish. Yeah, therein lies the problem, Mick. We've 209 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.000 alluded to the intelligence throughout the show. Here, Doug has a couple of 210 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:45.039 tricks up his sleeve. Some he tried last year, more he'll try this 211 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:50.440 year. So the issue is not closed. But they're incredibly intelligent about avoiding 212 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.679 cameras. I think that's the bottom line. And couple that with the fear 213 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.919 that they can instill in people when they do have the chance to take a 214 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.840 photo and near front and center. But you're just so freaked out that you're 215 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.200 not thinking about, let me get my camera out now. You're probably like 216 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.639 thinking, can I survive this encounter? And please and everybody that wants to 217 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.039 take a shot at that, And then Scott Wolfskill, can I say something 218 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.360 about it, please, ma'am? Not the video. That's probably one of 219 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.360 the biggest questions I get. I go to a lot of places, outdoor 220 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:27.039 shows, different places talk about sasquatch. What I always like to point people 221 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:32.559 to is the Cross River gorilla, which I brought up earlier. They are 222 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.519 in Africa, on the border of Cameroon, in Nigeria, and it was 223 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:42.679 just this century that they were really no longer cryptids to most scientists. They 224 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:47.559 weren't got to exist. They were thought to be mythological of the people there. 225 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:52.759 The natives were just using these stories about these hairy men in the woods, 226 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.200 except they're real. If you look them up, you can see the 227 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:03.319 first video ever taken of them, where people were looking them for years and 228 00:17:03.400 --> 00:17:10.279 years, and one of the primate zoologists that I work with in Project Zoobook, 229 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.519 the curator of a zoo that he used to work in, was one 230 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:19.920 of the first Westerners that saw these gorillas in person, and he lived there 231 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:25.759 for I believe eight years, had different guides taking him around trying to find 232 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.839 these gorillas, and finally saw them for a total of ten seconds. They 233 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.400 would find some signs, nests, different things like that, but couldn't find 234 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:38.440 the actual gorillas. But anyway, if you look up that first camera trap 235 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:45.319 footage, there are several females that are coming out of the trees and one 236 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:51.000 male, one silverback, comes into the frame and he bluff charges that camera 237 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:53.799 and all of them are looking right at the camera. So I like to 238 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:59.480 say that was a lot of luck that they got that footage to begin with, 239 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.440 and every single one of those gorillas was aware of that camera. It 240 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:08.759 wasn't that they were just walking by and they sneakily got footage was in the 241 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.920 right place at the right time, but they knew it was there, whether 242 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.720 they could hear something or smell it, or it was just something odd where 243 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:19.799 they normally go. I don't think bigfoot has to be much different than that. 244 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:25.400 They're intelligent and they can avoid things, I think, so I'm not 245 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:30.079 sure where that question was coming from. I'm assuming. Maybe I shouldn't assume, 246 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.480 but we get a lot of warning. They're more pictures where don't have 247 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.519 more video, and I just point people to that because that was just the 248 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.319 sense we finally got them on camera. The real reason there's no picture is 249 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:47.319 because nobody's hiding cameras. A camera trap strapped to a tree is not hiding 250 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:51.720 a camera. I'm working on systems where the cameras are completely hiding. There's 251 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.160 no way I could say it's right there on of that tree and you won't 252 00:18:55.160 --> 00:19:00.519 be able to find it. That's what it'll take, multi step planning because 253 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:06.240 these creatures seem to be very savant, like where they know their environment and 254 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.640 they spot them and they avoid them. But we did an experiment last year 255 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:15.200 and we had them standing on our cameras because they were hit. Unfortunately, 256 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:19.440 there's no natural light because there was thick cloud cover. There was no moon 257 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.680 under that cloud cover either, so I was just really black, no stars, 258 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:29.319 nothing. But we're hoping we're going to do the same exact thing in 259 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:33.279 the same area this year. But we've got good moon coming. So we've 260 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.599 looked at the conular tables and we know that we're going to have good moon 261 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:42.519 and all we need is good weather. But if you can take a miniature 262 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:48.319 camera and I will say, like a motorcycle dashcan camera system that's IR, 263 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.799 turn the IR lights off because you don't want that garbage, and then hide 264 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:57.079 the camera so it cannot be seen. I'm not talking about barely seen. 265 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:02.359 No, it cannot be seen at all. And when you can figure that 266 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:07.200 out, now you've got something, you have to actually put it under something 267 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:12.000 to where something walking cannot see it completely one hundred percent out of you and 268 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.440 there's bill light, IR or any other type coming out of the camera, 269 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.839 I think then the game will change. Don't bet against Doug Hicheck, is 270 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:23.559 what I have to say. We have about seven minutes left, so I 271 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.279 want to get Scott's question in here, but we need to tighten it up 272 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:32.319 a little bit because then we want to go through all of everybody's projects before 273 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:36.319 we close the show. So please go ahead, Scott. Seven minutes. 274 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:40.480 That's a challenge, Okay. I'd like actually to get Brian, being former 275 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:45.279 law enforcement I think you may have good insight into One of my biggest frustrations 276 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:52.440 with the Bigfoot mapping project is I try to find data that is corroborating or 277 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:57.200 supporting data like forest type or agricultural data, USDA data, USGS data. 278 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.119 And one of the biggest challenglenges I have is finding cave locations. And in 279 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.160 my research, I've found that in let's see, let me I'm going to 280 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.400 I have it up on my screen here in US Code Chapter sixty three, 281 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:17.839 from Title sixteen, Section forty three oh four. If I were to find 282 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:22.640 those cave locations and publish them on a map, I'm actually violating federal law. 283 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.799 That's why I cannot find cave locations. And I'm going to get a 284 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:34.200 little conspiratorial here. And my justification is, for example, they justify it 285 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.799 under safety, right, they don't want people going splunking and dying in a 286 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.680 cave. But if that were the case, you know, why don't they 287 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:47.319 keep people from climbing cliff faces, a half dome in any national park or 288 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.759 up a mountain side. If it was truly for safety, why aren't they 289 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:56.160 doing things like hiding, obscuring waterfall locations or other dangerous locations. Why is 290 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.200 it just caves? And why I get frustrated is because so many people will 291 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:07.240 reach out to me on my channel asking can you show me cave locations in 292 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:11.319 comparison to like the Bigfoot sighting is how close are they? There's theories that 293 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.119 they retreat to caves, live in caves, and all I'm able to find 294 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.680 is cave concentration. Like in Kentucky, I have great cave density data, 295 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:25.039 great great data available there, but nationally, I'm unable to find a really 296 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:29.200 good data set. So I was curious if anybody had an opinion or insight 297 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:37.240 into maybe a little conspiratorial opinion or something beyond just blanket safety, why that 298 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:44.119 data set is so protected. I can certainly try to use a couple of 299 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:48.240 sources I have and see if they know anything about it. I've had difficulty 300 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:55.359 getting anybody getting lou Elizondo to talk about Bigfoot other than one episode or any 301 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.119 of the big players, one of my other guys that's inside. I just 302 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:03.119 looking for that one person. I think, once we get one person like 303 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.839 Tim Burchett from Tennessee, or Tim Burchett if you want to how he says 304 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.839 it, somebody like that who I also, I've heard that he has had 305 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.279 a big foot experience, as as Mitch McConnell. Just I guess it's the 306 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.359 political expediency for them to talk about it. But we can get one person. 307 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.279 I think we'll get some movement, So go ahead, and that'll be 308 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:27.160 a me first. I don't know about any conspiracy or anything like that. 309 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:32.599 I do know maybe I shouldn't say this, but I do know that one 310 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:37.839 of the reasons I went back to school to become an Ohio Certified Volunteer naturalist 311 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.880 is because we get access to different things that I don't as a private citizen. 312 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.000 So what are the things I was most interested in? Or the cave 313 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:49.640 maps that I was able to see, That's something I'm really interested in, 314 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:55.160 especially somewhere like Ohio, or you don't have as much covering like as you 315 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.000 do in the Pacific Northwest. Why they don't, I guess I always thought 316 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:03.279 it was just the danger of it somebody getting hurt. Sometimes the government thinks 317 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:08.160 to where a bunch of simpletons and can't follow safety procedures. But that is 318 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:11.680 what reasons. Yeah, I guess I ask if I can add on to 319 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.359 that. I asked because you don't typically hear the government doing something proactively. 320 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:21.799 They usually make a law in reaction to something and just blanket safety. It's 321 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:25.279 not very specific why they just it's like a single line in the code. 322 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:29.319 Oh, it's just for safety. So it just triggered my curiosity. Why 323 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.680 is it such a serious law at the federal level regarding caves if it's just 324 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.960 for safety when there's not many similar laws that I'm aware of for other natural 325 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:42.079 features. And I'll just chime in here and tell you my personal experience from 326 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:47.279 being in law enforcement for sixteen years. There was probably if you trace this 327 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:52.799 back and really dial in when the law was introduced and when it was passed, 328 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.319 there may have been some family that died in the cave in some area. 329 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:03.799 There was something very specific that that predicated this law being introduced into Congress 330 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.880 and being ultimately adopted. There's weird laws on the books, dude. I 331 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.880 remember being an Atlanta City cop. I think it's still on the law now 332 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:15.039 that a lady can't walk down Peachtree Street in Atlanta without wearing gloves. That's 333 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.880 against the law. You can't spit on the sidewalk. There's just these weird 334 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.880 laws. But most of them had something to do with a specific incident, 335 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.359 So I bet if you really drilled down, I think it's probably less conspiratorial 336 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:33.319 and more about some specific thing that happened and somebody in their district took it 337 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.559 up as they're carrying the gauntlet for these people, and they ended up getting 338 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.359 this law passed and it just affects everything. My opinion, it's probably a 339 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:44.680 little less conspiratorial, and it's probably something very simple that happened. It might 340 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.400 have happened one hundred and fifty years ago, but the law is still on 341 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.000 the books. But I think it's something that we could definitely start to band 342 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:55.720 together and look into as a community as a whole and start calling out your 343 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.319 local representation, whatever state you're in, and talk about this law that's on 344 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.680 the books, that's how change happened. Somebody could take this up and actually 345 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:07.200 maybe get it overturned or abridged to a point where that may be more public 346 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.000 information. I don't know, just my two cents. Stay tuned for more 347 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:18.400 sasquatch out to see will be right back after these messages. Getting hands on 348 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.559 that data set would be really amazing. Somebody in the chat said about not 349 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.119 disturbing in dangered bats. It's a really good point. It could be ecological. 350 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:30.759 There is one rich man from Nebraska who started the low bat food craze, 351 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:36.839 and the reason why McDonald's no longer uses beef talub in their French fry 352 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.960 concoction is because of one guy. Malcolm Gladwell did an entire show on how 353 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.319 one guy started that. So, like what you said, Brian, is 354 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.079 very possible. You get a group up there. Like you said, somebody 355 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.079 was killed in a cave where they local law enforcement found a number of people 356 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.400 that had died exploring caves, got lost, became disoriented. You saw those 357 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.720 Tai kids that were in that cave. Were it not for those even with 358 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:04.640 my friends from Air Force Rescue and the Navy Seals and the Thai Navy Seals 359 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.680 that were in attendance, had you not had those two British sar guys, 360 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.559 those guys who were expert at deep cave diving, everybody would have died in 361 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.400 there. It was only because those guys were able to locate them and not 362 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.359 become disoriented and find their way out and all these things. So anyway, 363 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:25.000 great question, who's going to go next? Doug gonna let's say we got 364 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.640 amy. So yeah, Doug, Please, first, before I even want 365 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:32.839 to think about caves, I've gonna ask myself, is there any connection between 366 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.200 bigfoots using caves? Yeah? I hear that all the time, Yet I've 367 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.920 never really seen any evidence of them using caves as travel routes or shelter. 368 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.400 That doesn't mean that they don't. I'm just saying I don't see a lot 369 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:51.119 of evidence to it, but I would think that with a little searching, 370 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:55.640 and I'm going to work on this, Scott. There's gotta be a group 371 00:27:55.720 --> 00:28:02.880 of national splunkers that have mapped out all these cavelow there are. There's a 372 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.119 lot of speleological societies I've found, and they're very, very protective of their 373 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:14.839 That is interesting. Do you feel that biquots are utilizing cavescut? I don't 374 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.519 know. I would like to get the data sets so I can make an 375 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:23.079 opinion on that without having anything to analyze. I really I would like to 376 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.759 explore it further. And that's one of the data sets that causes me the 377 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.839 most frustration, because I got a lot of questions about that, and I 378 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:36.279 really have no way to answer them other than speculation. Is there a map 379 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:41.039 that would show limestone concentrations cars, jeffs, are there maps that show where 380 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:47.000 the cars is concentrated around the country, Because anywhere you have cars, you're 381 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.240 gonna have caves. Period. Dog is going to take this for action. 382 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:56.960 We will. I'm in our next we Will presents. I love it. 383 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.759 Man, it's a badass. Who else? Sibilla? I fall on the 384 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.720 side with Brian. I think that it's probably because it was necessary if people 385 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:10.039 have This happened locally not too long ago. There was a huge cave found 386 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:15.279 in South Texas and I think they let it out of the bag is where 387 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.759 it was, and people started flooding the area, you know, so they 388 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.759 had the higher security to keep people from going there. Because people are just 389 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.759 not smart and they don't respect other people's property, it seems like so it 390 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:32.839 can be very dangerous from what it sounds like those caves. I've never beilunked 391 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.039 or anything, but it sounds like it could get You could really easily get 392 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.480 turned around. I've heard about people diving. I once heard one of the 393 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.440 UFC fighters about cave diving, and he said, man, it's just like 394 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:49.359 you were this close to getting lost in there and if your buddy gets lost, 395 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.279 you know, you got to leave him in there because panic sets in. 396 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.000 You use up all your hair and all these things. All right, 397 00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.720 if there's any final comments, and then we'll do our Cabby goodbyes where we'll 398 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.359 thank you, and we also want to hear everybody talk about all the projects 399 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:10.000 that they're doing. Any final comments between you amazing panelists. Okay, I'll 400 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.279 take that as a note, Nathan. All right, it's been an incredible 401 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:17.400 conversation though, just certain captivating. So thank you all for joining us. 402 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.480 Do you want to go alphabetically through so people can talk about it? Yeah? 403 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.160 Please? Yeah? Maybe what do you want to know? No, 404 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.640 we just want to we really just what we do is we say thank you 405 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.920 for joining us, just like giving of your time. Man, you're so 406 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.519 nice to chat with. I hope that we can have you on again so 407 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.960 that you can give us more of this knowledge that you've gained because you are 408 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.200 like all in on this. Thank you for having me. Thank you, 409 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.119 it's great to have you and Amy. For those of our listeners who may 410 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.839 not be familiar with your work, where can they find you? Where's the 411 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.960 best paid place to find your work? Now I'm on Facebook, which is 412 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:59.400 where normally I'm thankfully we are getting toward the finish line with Project Zoo book 413 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.160 or having a new website, which we've been wanting to do for a long 414 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.119 time. There's a really rudimentary one out there where people can at least contact 415 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.039 us, but it's going to be interactive. Hopefully it will be up sooner 416 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:18.240 rather than later. As far and the Live Project also has a website that 417 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.720 people can get on too. As far as projects, I'm doing, this 418 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.960 weekend starts my two month run of going to different outdoor shows all over Ohio 419 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.359 and Pennsylvania where I talk to different hunters and fishermen and get bigfoot stories. 420 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.279 One of my favorite things that I do. So let's starting this weekend. 421 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.480 And I'm also writing a book. I'm getting toward the end of it and 422 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:47.839 excited about that. So doing a project with Native Americans and all kinds of 423 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:49.559 different things. So I'm excited. You don't have enough things to do, 424 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.640 You're really boring. It was great and I will see you at the Ohio 425 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:59.200 Bigfoot Conference. Yeah, I will not be there, but I wish I 426 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:04.559 could. I got an invitation from Tim who's the one who connected me with 427 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.279 Doug, Tim Hollerin, and Dana. Okay, so let's go to our 428 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:14.400 next victim of person. Sorry mister hiding Devs Well, once again, thank 429 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:19.640 you DJ for inviting me. Thanks everybody, some really brilliant people here. 430 00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:24.079 I'm just trying to work on legimate science too. Keep my podcast going, 431 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:31.279 Untold Radio AM and the network Untold Radio Network going, and we're publishing books. 432 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.400 Anybody's got a really cool book. Amy. If you want us to 433 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.079 give you a give you some spiel, we'd be happy to do that. 434 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:44.720 But generally you can get a hold of me on Facebook, and I just 435 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.920 loved talking about the topic. People have questions or just comments, please get 436 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.880 a hold of me and Pine Island Research. Is that Jeff, that's Jeff. 437 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:59.160 Yes, Hey, Jeff ye? All right, go ahead, Nathan 438 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.279 Devs Yeah, Doug, it's been great to have you on the show. 439 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:06.680 This has been an incredible conversation and I hope you get to do it again 440 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.200 because I know there's bazillion things we could talk about, and I have questions 441 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.200 that we didn't touch on some of the ones that we've talked about on prior 442 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.039 shows, but would be great to get some responses from these folks. Looking 443 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:20.160 forward to have you guys back, love to come back. Thank you so 444 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:24.559 much to everybody. Absolutely, I'm thrilled that y'all were able to come together. 445 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.680 I love seeing round tables like this, and I have questions for all 446 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:32.359 of you. It might be a year or two years down the road before 447 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.599 it's done. And also, if you want to debate somebody about Bigfoot and 448 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.960 not obviously not like an argument type thing, but like a legitimate Lincoln Douglas 449 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:45.759 debate, Dead will host you on Anomalist Debates. Next, we have to 450 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.960 go to miss Irwin. Yes, thank you so much for inviting me. 451 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:54.440 It's just been so great to get to see all of you and is it 452 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.359 with you and get to know you. People can find me at Sabella Erwin 453 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.599 dot com and if they want to see the witness sketches, they just go 454 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.839 to the gallery. There's a Witness gallery. I just added a whole bunch 455 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:12.039 of pictures from Matt Amps and also from Mike Blueler just released his video last 456 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.480 Friday and it's just live there. You've taken off. It's got forty three 457 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.119 thousand views already just since Friday. It's just blown up. Yeah, I 458 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:23.199 love Mike Lueller. So Sketching Encounters, if you'll just go and please subscribe, 459 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:29.280 and it's new witnesses like just all the time to tomorrow I'm talking to 460 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.039 so I'm so excited. So and thank you again for having me here. 461 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.000 Amazing And I love the sketches though they have on there because you get to 462 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:43.000 see the diversity of what these beings look like. Money Nathan Debs. Yeah, 463 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.079 Samilla, you've been on the show before and it's so great to have 464 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.079 you back. It's just a real pleasure to speak with you. And I'm 465 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.960 a huge admirer of your work and your passion for the subject. It just 466 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:53.960 comes through. So thank you so much for joining us, and we hope 467 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.679 to have you back on the show too for to keep up with what you're 468 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.440 up to. And as you said, you get lots of folks coming to 469 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:01.320 talk to you all the time, so I know you're going to have new 470 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.599 stories to share. Absolutely, Thank you guys, thank you for coming. 471 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.039 I hope that one day we can just do like a gallery of all your 472 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:13.480 artwork. That'll be really cool. I hope we can just do a show. 473 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:19.519 Yeah, that'll be amazing. Yeah, Yeah, that'd be great. 474 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.719 Deb has so many good ideas. Oh my god, we're so lucky to 475 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.400 have her. Brian King Sharp, I'm just podcasting, man. You guys 476 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:31.400 can find Sasquatch Odyssey, that Bigfoot podcast. You can find Backwoods horror Stories, 477 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:37.280 you can find Weird Encounters, you can find True Crime Odyssey anywhere you're 478 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.840 listening to podcast on your audio podcasters. I do have a Sasquatch Odyssey and 479 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.480 Backwards Horror Stories YouTube channel, so if you're on YouTube and you're into that 480 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.760 thing, you can find me there. The book is out for pre sale. 481 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.320 I am stoked about the book. Doug and Alex and all the guys 482 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.719 at Hanger one Publishing were amazing at helping me get the book together. It 483 00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:00.599 was a project that I have had in my brain for many years and we 484 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:02.639 finally got it done and I am stoked about how the book turned out. 485 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.719 I'm very excited about it. I think there's a little bit of something in 486 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:10.519 there for everybody. Sasquatch Unleashed the Truth behind the Legend is out for pre 487 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.960 sale Hanger one Publishing dot com. You guys can check it out and just 488 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:16.920 go and listen to the show man. The shows are all about this show, 489 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:21.800 particularly Sasquatch Odyssey, is all about the encounters. I highlight encounters from 490 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.079 everywhere. It's all about people who have had experiences with these things, because, 491 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.519 unlike Scott and some of the other more scientific people, I feel like 492 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.320 I'm a collector of data in my own right with the podcast, and we 493 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.719 put it out there in perpetuity for everybody to listen to. And you can 494 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.519 gain a little bit from every single one of these encounters that you hear on 495 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.840 the show, and I think they all have something to offer in the overall 496 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.280 Bigfoot conversation. So I'd love for you guys to listen to the show and 497 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.119 check out all the encounters. We're about four hundred and twenty some odd episodes 498 00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.400 into Sasquatch Odyssey at this point, so there's a little something out there for 499 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.320 everybody, and you can find me at Paranormal World Productions dot com. We 500 00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.000 have I think seven shows under the network at this point for I do myself 501 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.159 and then other people the Basement hangout. Those guys are a phenomenal The Kentucky 502 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.079 X Files guys, we have some really great shows, a little bit of 503 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.199 something in the cryptive world for everybody. So we'd love to have you check 504 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:15.079 it out for us. I just want to say congratulations on all your success, 505 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.039 Brian. You have really gotten after it and just done an amazing job 506 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.239 that podcasters can look at it and go okay, if I can follow like 507 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.920 what Brian did, I can be successful in this realm and do it as 508 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.719 a career. So congratulations, brothers. It's good to be your friend money 509 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:32.679 Nathan. Yeah, it's awesome to have you with us, Brian, And 510 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.320 I know how hard it is to do podcasts. I do too, but 511 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.320 to do more than two, which is clearly what you're doing. I don't 512 00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:43.199 even know how you find the time. So absolutely incredible, and I just 513 00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.239 love your approach, your investigative and analytical approach to the topic. It's really 514 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:51.079 refreshing and really just super happy you're able to join us tonight and look more 515 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:52.880 and have you back. Yes, absolutely, thank you for joining us. 516 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.559 I look forward to hearing more about your book in the future. I definitely 517 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.960 will be checking out You're one of your podcasters so many I pully for sure 518 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.280 at least one, So thank you. People love Brian. Is that your 519 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.880 co host Tiffany in the chat? Is that her? Yep? That's tea 520 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.760 time with Tiffany. She helps a lot on Paranormal Odyssey with Wayne and she 521 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.920 joins us for the live shows on that Bigfoot podcast. We love Tiffany. 522 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:22.440 She has a couple of books out you guys, go over and hang her 523 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.559 one Publishing. She's done a couple of books that she's got out over there 524 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.880 as well. Check her stuff out. Hi, Tiffany, welcome. We'll 525 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.039 hope to see you again. Just real quick, thank you Doug for getting 526 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:36.920 everybody's work out there. It's just another thing that you're doing in the community. 527 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:39.599 I just want to say thank you for having me on such an esteemed 528 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:46.039 panel. Everyone's input and feedback and ideas and opinions are going to be swirling 529 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.039 around my head while I'm feeding my baby tonight. I don't really have time 530 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.199 to sleep, so I have plenty of time to think, and I'm looking 531 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.079 forward to sharing these stories with him as he grows up. I'm really happy 532 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.480 to be here. And if you'd like to follow the Bigfoot Mapping Project, 533 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.440 it's bigfootmap dot com and on Instagram. It's at Bigfoot Mapping Project and you 534 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.719 can always reach out to me there. But another great way to get a 535 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.719 hold of me would be just Scott a bigfootmap dot Com is my email and 536 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.079 you can email me with any questions, whether it be about Bigfoot, gis 537 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:21.159 maps, technical stuff, you name it. I'm always open for interesting questions 538 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.320 and I'll do my best to get back to you. I really enjoy hearing 539 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.639 from everyone and getting to talk to people a little bit behind the scenes. 540 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.920 It's a lot of fun. This really made me feel like home, Scott, 541 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.559 because you're a hometown brother. I told you I go back there all 542 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.199 the time, and your accident reminds me of home. And I'm just so 543 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.480 proud to be from the Hudson Valley. And when Sunny Cortland knows is a 544 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.079 If you go home all the time, you've got to go to Beacon and 545 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.360 go on Main Street and go to Glazed Over Donuts. That's my mother and 546 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.000 father's donut shop. So if you go in and say hi to them, 547 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.199 they will load you up with a lifetime supply of donuts. It's yelp top 548 00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.880 one hundred donut shops in the country, so please go check it out. 549 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.280 Yeah, shameless, plase, but I have nothing to do with their donuts. 550 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.719 I'm just proud of them. They do a good job. I will 551 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:07.480 endeavor to do that. I'll be up there in August, like I told 552 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.800 you, that's my plan, my next one and will be August and then 553 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:13.280 I'll do it winter iteration. I'll be cool. We tell them high for 554 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.199 me and I hope you stop in. Thank you, sir, all right 555 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.000 the money Nathan in Debs. Yeah, Scott, it is awesome to have 556 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.960 you with us. It's my first introduction to your work, and the Bigfoot 557 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.039 mapping project is super cool. I got a chance to look through that material, 558 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:29.039 so congrats on getting that launched and the continuing developing that you're doing with 559 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.760 that. It's much needed, obviously in the space to bring that kind of 560 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.039 analytical collection approach to the topic. So thanks for what you're doing, and 561 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:38.639 good luck as a new parent with the little one. I know that's not 562 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.960 easy at the whole project of its own. Good good luck with all of 563 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.880 that, and hopefully get a chance to talk with you Againsent. Thank you 564 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.519 so much, Scott, and congratulations again on the baby. And I think 565 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.800 it's amazing what you're doing because data is amazing. Thank you very much for 566 00:40:53.880 --> 00:41:00.280 contributing that to the to this realm of anomalous beings and so forth, my 567 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.440 pleasure. Debs, you're awesome man. All right, everybody, it's been 568 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.199 great, and please, like I said, if you would email me anything 569 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.280 that you would like in the show notes, because I just love filling up 570 00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:14.639 the show notes with everybody's links and stuff. I hope to see all of 571 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.039 you again, as a collective or individually back on calling all beings, give 572 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.000 us a like and subscribe. Julie, thank you very much for being the 573 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:27.679 amazing person that you are, and for Amy, for Doug or Sibyla, 574 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.280 Brian and Scott, and of course Gabby's money, Nathan and Debs. This 575 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:36.960 is DJ saying peace out, one love. We'll see you down the road. 576 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:42.599 And we're always wondering what's up around the bend. They say you don't 577 00:41:42.679 --> 00:42:17.960 got to go, but you can't stay said step steps steps chart this child, 578 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:24.239 that child, everything come right back, right back joy from me. 579 00:42:25.199 --> 00:43:20.559 Enjoy staying right you come in right away still still stay ssssssta, don't don't 580 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:42.599 talk about thesssstssssssssss