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I'm probably 10 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:43,880 here with my host Dan, my co host Dan Favali, I should say, 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,439 and this is gonna be a special, unique episode for us because for 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,920 once I am going to be on a podcast that is not mailbag oriented. 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,679 Dan, are you excited about that? This isn't a mailbag? I guess 14 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:57,840 you're gonna do this one on your own. Then all I'll leave. I 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,520 thought we were doing on mail back. I'm just gonna avant for a solid 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,439 hour apparently. This is one of those podcasts where it's like there probably are 17 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,159 we've reached the pot in the season where there's probably other stuff to talk about, 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,719 But we've done enough of the awards, particularly MVP. We've talked about 19 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:14,760 buyouts, we've talked about the impact injuries are having on rosters. This is 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,560 basically us saying we're like, seventy five percent of the way through the season, 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,159 it's time to do a change of pain. Still hard to believe in 22 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:23,239 this podcast that we're that far into it. Yeah, I am too. 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,200 So we're gonna be talking about some rookies and we'll structure that as a twenty 24 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:32,879 twenty NBA redraft of the lottery. This is not like a competition or anything. 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,000 This is just Dan and I collaboratively working to try to come up with 26 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:42,920 how we think the top fourteen picks, irrespective of team needs, would go 27 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,359 with every single eligible person for the twenty twenty draft who was back in the 28 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:51,079 picture. That does mean that a standout rookie like jay Shawn Tate who was 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:56,359 technically undrafted in twenty eighteen, is not going to be eligible, but everyone 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,159 else is. Dan and I forgetting to clarify anything so we have all of 31 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,920 the parameters set properly. Yeah, just to reiterate that we're doing this still 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,479 obviously performance thus far our factors in, but we are still trying to wait 33 00:02:07,479 --> 00:02:10,599 long term potential for you know, there are players who've been injured or just 34 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:14,879 haven't played as much. In this redraft, it's still you know, since 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,520 we're not that. I think when you get a certain amount of time out 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,000 from a draft, a redraft basically just becomes the best players, which is 37 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:24,120 fine. But now it's a little bit different because we're less than a year 38 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,400 out from this draft class and this is more of just like midstream who would 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,520 we take based on what's already happened, but also trying to weigh long term 40 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:35,479 as well, and we're not did you mention my apologizes in here? This 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,159 has nothing to do with you know, I don't care that the Bulls have 42 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:40,120 the number four pick. I'm not drafting on fit. Yeah, irrespective of 43 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:44,639 team needs. Yep. So yeah, we're gonna alternate who leads for the 44 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,280 pick, but we do want to come to an agreement before we move on 45 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,520 to the next one if we're able to. And she determined who was leading 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,159 the number one pick. We had friend of the podcast, Jacob Bourn, 47 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,120 ask a random objective trivia question about the NBA, and his question was how 48 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:02,479 many combined career points do Keith and Marcus Morris have? I guess sixteen thousand, 49 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,719 five hundred forty one. Dan prices right at me and guess sixteen thousand, 50 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,680 five hundred forty and because it's fifteen thousand, five hundred and forty six. 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,560 See you learned something on the podcast, right, Dan gets to go 52 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,919 first. I really had no feel for where they'd be at, and so 53 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,719 it was either do I go one above or one below? And it felt 54 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:25,960 like either way if you didn't, I strongly regret. I strongly regat it 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,800 was just regular season, but I strongly regret not sending my answer on the 56 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,840 side to that. It's like, ultimately it's irrelevant, but I'm competitive enough 57 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:35,719 that I still wanted to beat you, and I just would you have been 58 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,960 in the ballpark. I have no idea what number I would have put. 59 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:42,319 I think I'm so competitive that I tried to strategically beat you so I could 60 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,120 get the first pick, which is kind of stupid because we're going was an 61 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,360 amateur move on my part. Yeah, but it was also like the first 62 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,639 pick is a little bit having the floor. Here's a little bit worthless because 63 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:55,039 I think it's a no brainer. Lamello ball at number one. It's it's 64 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,199 definitely a no brainer. The fractured risk sucks. It's cool. I guess 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,759 that the Hornets are not holding out or ruling out his return of the season 66 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:08,479 because they look they're still in contention for a home court advantage in the first 67 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,520 round of these are conference playoffs, and he looked he's had a great season. 68 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,199 But once he went into their starting lineup, and I'm not including the 69 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,639 game in which he left and only played like twenty one minutes because he was 70 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,800 injured. So in the twenty starts since he entered the starting lineup, he 71 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:28,439 averaged nineteen point eight points, six point four assists, one point seven steals, 72 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,639 shot forty three point two percent from three on six point three three point 73 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,000 attempts per game. I know he used to have concerns about his jumper form. 74 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,639 I'm impressed with just the way he was knocking down shots off the dribble 75 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,079 or off the catch. And I also, you know, I'm not someone 76 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,160 everyone who listens to this podcast, you know, by now that I just 77 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,279 don't sink my teeth into college stuff or prospects until right before the draft. 78 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:54,000 Basically, I just didn't think that he would be so sort of disruptive on 79 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,639 the defensive end, where it's I don't know if he's a net plus at 80 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:00,480 this point, but he's going to be I think, probably a pretty good 81 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,560 team defender. And I think right now, I don't know if he's gonna 82 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,000 win Rookie of the Year. That's a separate discussion. Did he play enough 83 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,079 if he doesn't play again this season when there are other guys who are one 84 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:12,439 playing well, or like Anthony Edwards who have been surging since the All Star 85 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,000 break. Basically, but I think he's the clear cut number one here. 86 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,519 Yeah, you basically took all of the talking points on that one, which 87 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,360 is great because they're they're all right, I mean, but ultimately it boils 88 00:05:26,399 --> 00:05:30,319 down to him being just such an obvious franchise centerpiece. It's not even just 89 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:34,600 what he does on the court. It's the infectious personality and the marketability and 90 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,920 everything that he has going for him. He's a generational passer, you know. 91 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Some of the stuff that he's able to do is just so remarkably advanced, 92 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,959 and he'll cut back on turnovers and whatnot as his career progresses. And 93 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:50,959 I do still have some concerns about the shooting for him. We've talked about 94 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,399 him in a previous episode where I think it's more that this season has sort 95 00:05:55,439 --> 00:06:00,240 of established a higher floor for me for his ceiling, but not necessarily a 96 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,439 higher ceiling or an indication that he's going to be a super reliable, consistent 97 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:09,399 shooter, Like I could definitely see up and down swings, but the baseline 98 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,399 is strong enough that it doesn't need to be a huge concern. So every 99 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:16,720 every prospect in his class is ultimately a little bit flawed. But you know, 100 00:06:17,079 --> 00:06:21,879 like he's the obvious one, yep. And do you do you think 101 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,959 there will be you know, how do you Maybe you don't even really answer 102 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,680 this question, but if you're hitting that high of eclip on your threes, 103 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,519 what is the impetus for change? Is it? Don't fix it until you 104 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,319 see that it's broken, or you try to make changes over the summer before 105 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,560 your sophomore year. And I wonder how the just his risk injury complicates all 106 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,240 this. I mean, we saw a Lonzo consistently tweak his form too, 107 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,360 because he had another remarkably unorthodox jumper that he had to fix and it's panned 108 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:56,160 out this year. But with Lamello, the issue is the feat right, 109 00:06:56,199 --> 00:07:00,079 Like, you want that consistent base, and he manages to turn earned counterclockwise 110 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,920 when he shoots sometimes and clockwise other times, and just the inconsistency there makes 111 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,720 it harder to replicate the shooting motion on every single shot. You know, 112 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,519 you watch Steph Curry play and you know that he's always going to square to 113 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,480 the basket and turn in slightly as he shoots. It's replicable, it's consistent, 114 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:21,720 and it makes him a better, more reliable shooter. And I think 115 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,040 that's what we need to see Fromlamelo. I don't know that he needs a 116 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,959 huge form overhaul so much as just like working on that base. Yeah, 117 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,439 I'm just curious to see sort of how that happens. Do you want to 118 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:36,959 get us to number two? And I'm hoping you don't take all the talking 119 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,639 points on who I think you're because I have some I have some fantastic numbers 120 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,439 that could be construed as propaganda, but I'm ready to drop these fire stats 121 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:49,519 once. You always come in with more of the stats than I do, 122 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,800 which I feel like that's a huge change of pace from years past. Look, 123 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:59,120 you've fully nerded me out. I don't look, I don't watch games 124 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,399 live in a spreadsheet. Yeah, I just live in a spreadsheet, that's 125 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:07,920 all. I had one of those commenters on Twitter the other day. It's 126 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,120 so obnoxious, like that argument. It's like, oh, stop working with 127 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,439 graphs and like watch the games. Do you think I would want to create 128 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,120 the graphs if I wasn't enjoying watching the games? Like, can you come 129 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,759 up with a better talking point? I can confirm that Adam has never watched 130 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:24,040 a single NBA game over the past. I've known him basically, I've known 131 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,120 him longer than this, But since we started interacting twenty thirteen ish, I 132 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,720 think it was you've watched sub five basketball games. I think it's three and 133 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,879 a half. Also, for my sake, imagine just how bad I would 134 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:37,039 be if I didn't watch the games because I'm not I'm affiliated with NBA math. 135 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,600 But that's more so your problem because I'm just not like super high IQ 136 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,159 genius like you. So if I only use numbers, my announci stected to 137 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:52,200 be worse than it already is. Picture that I can't exactly anyway pick number 138 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:58,279 two. It's it's gotta be Tyrese Halibert. I feel like that's the obvious 139 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,879 answer here too. I think they're going to be some Anthy Edwards push back 140 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,159 on this. And I say that because I get the Rookie Ladder at Bleacher 141 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:11,840 Report a week or two ago. There are a lot of commenters who were 142 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:16,399 they focused on ants, you know, scoring per game, which is fair, 143 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,120 but also let's not overweight that in the long term. You know, 144 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:24,480 well, let's save our Anthy or your Anthy Edwards taste. I'm ready for 145 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,559 something. Make colpe was there. It's your turn to I've been giving those 146 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,799 out no I on that front, but please continue every time. I'll take 147 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,000 that no. You know, thirteen point three points, three point three rebounds, 148 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,879 five point assis per game, and that doesn't even come close to capturing 149 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:45,080 the impact that he's had. He is a remarkably turnover a verse guard, 150 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:50,279 which is a ridiculously rare quality for a lead or a co lead ball Hampler 151 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,080 as they're coming into the NBA and making that transition. He could stand to 152 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,440 get to the free throw line a bit more, but his ability to thrive 153 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,399 on and off the ball, knocking down a ton of spot up shots, 154 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,840 operating in crunch time moments with no fear of the moment. He's actually looked 155 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:11,600 like a semi decent to good defender on the Sacramento Kings, which might be 156 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:16,360 the top achievement by any rookie in his class. He checks all the boxes 157 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:20,200 as like that upper tier jack of all trades, just like we thought he 158 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,440 would going into the draft, and he went twelfth overall, but we were 159 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,399 we were both disappointed that are the teams we cheered for didn't take him earlier 160 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:33,039 in the proceedings and thought that he should have gone way higher, and he's 161 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:37,200 validated that and more to this point, he has been if you just I 162 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:43,039 just feel like he's good at everything, and he's probably not going to I 163 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,519 have no clue what his weakness is, right, and the fact that I 164 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,159 would go as far as saying that he's been a plus defender already, just 165 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,320 when you look at the different types of assignments that he's on the Sacramento Kings, 166 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,000 it seems not necessarily rude but also true because they've had one of the 167 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:03,200 league's worst defenses or much of this year. But really like his He's not 168 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:07,720 you know, taking these he's not. His matchups are difficult, and so 169 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,919 he's you know, he's not spending as much time on the first option as 170 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:16,759 some of the other players on the team, but he's defending the secondary guys, 171 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:20,080 you know, the second and the third options on those teams for sure. 172 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:24,480 And he's just I think he's gonna be a really solid team defender. 173 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,559 Has feels like he has feels looks like he has really great hands, someone 174 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,960 who could chase around movement shooters too, but also be fine one on one. 175 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,039 I remain just completely and utterly in awe of him. And he's a 176 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,120 good look. He's just a good offensive game manager at this point too, 177 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:45,720 and the perfect fit. I would say, alongside deron Fox and the numbers 178 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:48,879 I'm referring you would have been a perfect fit just alongside anyone though, Like 179 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:54,399 imagine him playing alongside Chris Paul and Devin Booker or with Trey Young, like 180 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,639 any of those options worked the teams. I keep coming back to our Phoenix 181 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,720 taking Jalen Smith instead of him, and I know the Knicks ended up with 182 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:03,799 Emmanuel quickly. Who will we will discuss soon. And you don't want to 183 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:09,679 write off Obi Toppin already. At the same time, if I'm the Knicks, 184 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,519 just knowing what's been my biggest need for like since Jeremy Lynn left, 185 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:18,120 essentially just take the guy who's projected I was. I was in this boat 186 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,200 with Shay Gil just Alexander two. I was also in that boat with Frankie 187 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,919 Lakina, and clearly I was one percent right about him because he's picking up 188 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:31,519 the entry. But so two things with Haliburton is the only other rookie in 189 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:37,240 NBA history to match his current true shooting, assist and steal percentages. I'll 190 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,919 give you a guess. Throw out a rookie. Please don't get it right, 191 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,320 though, get it wrong. I really appreciate it. Give me the 192 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,799 numbers one more time to the only other rookie in NBA history to match his 193 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:56,720 true shooting percentage, steel percentage, and assist percentage. Chris Paul Magic Johnson. 194 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,240 Not a bad guess, all right, Also company, I would say, 195 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:03,159 yeah he was Magic Johnson was all right right, Like that's he was 196 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:09,519 pretty good. Yeah. The other thing, there's only one other player in 197 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,559 the NBA who has used at least one hundred has finished excuse me, at 198 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:18,840 least one hundred drives this season and is matching Haliburton's efficiency on these drives and 199 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,440 assist percentage. That is Joe Ingles. This is just someone who is I 200 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,879 think that company just proves that he's fundamentally good at everything. You you sort, 201 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:28,919 you know, he's gone through some swings with his shooting, but if 202 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,240 you just go through these numbers, he's just super efficient off the catch, 203 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:35,039 low volume on pull ups, but he can still hit them, can just 204 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,559 really do everything. And I'm fascinated to see where his career goes. And 205 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,159 I think, you know, we have to see what happens with Marvin Bagley 206 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,600 once he's healthy. I don't know that you can really count on him for 207 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:48,360 the King's future. I don't know how you view or Shawn Holmes when he's 208 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,360 setting into free agency. The Kings have two really really high end cornerstones right 209 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,440 now in Halibert and Daria Fox, and so I am intrigued to just see 210 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,840 where this team goes from here. Because people probably weren't happy that they didn't 211 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,559 pull a fire sale, YadA, YadA, YadA. They just they have 212 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:07,240 two trimetime cornerstones on their roster. Right now, and that sets them up 213 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:13,759 incredibly well looking ahead. And to answer your question, I am firmly in 214 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:18,919 the payers on homes and keep him their camp. Yeah, they have to 215 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:20,360 do some stuff I don't want to get because of the early bird rights or 216 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:22,879 just I would guess he gets more than ten point five million a year. 217 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,639 I would keep him too. It's just how much do you give give a 218 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:28,960 big who's you know, he might be the best center on the market, 219 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,159 So we'll have to see. But that three player corps right there, I 220 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:35,440 mean, if you want to be good right away, you keep Harrison Barnes. 221 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,600 I don't really know how to feel about Buddy Healed at this point, 222 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:43,960 but those three together are mind boggingly interesting. Hey, Hard Knox listeners, 223 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,159 it's Dan again, this time to talk to you about hosting your own podcast 224 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,559 with our parent distributor, Blue Wire Pods, and there's no better place to 225 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,799 host than blue Wire Hustle. Hustle was created to give everyone the opportunity to 226 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,360 take their podcast to the next level. 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You look at since the All Star break, I believe it 250 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:42,080 is basically he is averaging twenty four point six points per game, two point 251 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,879 five assists, one point six steals. Still not shooting incredibly well from three, 252 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:51,159 but he is taking some difficult shots thirty two percent there, He's getting 253 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:53,759 to the line at a good at a good clip. He's I think he's 254 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,960 getting better on defense even though he's taking all these chances. And I do 255 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,679 really think that his shot selection can still be super ugly, and we're gonna 256 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:04,839 need to see him just get better at finishing around the rim. But he's 257 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,400 also just you know, he's getting to the rim relative to the rest of 258 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,319 this rookie class. He's getting to the restricted area a ton, So I'm 259 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,200 more intrigued on him than I was before, and I would have to imagine, 260 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,720 you know, he leads all rookies and pull up field goal attempts and 261 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:22,519 at thirty six point one affect, the field goal percentage is not great. 262 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:26,480 If he gets more efficient on those and we can see him be more than 263 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:33,759 a coin toss finisher around the basket, there's you know he has he still 264 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:37,240 has. I wouldn't ever put him ahead of Lamello right now. I just 265 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,519 can't vision a scenario. But I don't think that he that we can sit 266 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,519 here and say, oh, he still can't be the best player in this 267 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:45,680 draft. I mean, LaMelo is not even the best finisher right now. 268 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,400 So if he improves one of those where it's hey, can we count on 269 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:51,599 him to knock down his off the dribble looks at a higher clip long term? 270 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:53,359 Can he just be bet shoot better than you know, he's fifty six 271 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,039 percent in the restricted area right now. He still has a crack at that, 272 00:17:57,079 --> 00:18:00,000 maybe more so than Tyrese Haliburton, where I think his ceiling is higher. 273 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,079 I also just feel like he's a little bit less likely to hit it 274 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,599 because there are there is more variants in his performance. If that makes any 275 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:11,960 sense it does. I'm starting to buy into the point that I don't think 276 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,359 I would have that much of a problem if you wanted to take number one 277 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:21,599 in a redraft. And I was so skeptical of him coming into the league, 278 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,759 as you know, and it took a lot of convincing, but just 279 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:32,160 seeing the way that he's already grown and recognizing the sheer difficulty of the role 280 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,319 he's attempting to fill as a rookie. That's a tough job being asked to 281 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,599 take and make so many pull up jumpers and be such a central part of 282 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,119 the offense, especially when Karl Anthony Towns has missed so much time, Like 283 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,839 he was even more of a focal point than I think anyone intended for him 284 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,640 to be at that stage. But we've already seen him. You know, 285 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,400 he still has some finishing issues around the rim, but we see him getting 286 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:00,480 to the line now. You know, he's actually drawing contact and getting points 287 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:03,480 at the charity stripe. He's willing to pass more, he's in the right 288 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,599 defensive spots. More like, it's it's clicking to the point that while I 289 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:17,000 still have questions about the shot selection, the obviousness of his best attributes are 290 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:22,200 now strongly superseding that that qualm there's Did you ever think you would be at 291 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,240 this point with Anthony Edwards? I hoped I would be, but no, 292 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,799 I don't think so. Did you did you consider slotting him any lower? 293 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,640 Or did you think he's like clear number three right now? I thought it 294 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,160 was the very very clear number three. I mean, and when I say 295 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,039 that, I should say I don't think I was ever going to drop him 296 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:47,200 below three. But I did waffle a little bit between him and Halliburton before 297 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:52,920 deciding that Halliburton was just too damn good at everything already. Yeah, I'm 298 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,000 I didn't actually consider putting him ahead of Haliburton. But it's as I alined 299 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,599 before. I do think he's looked at the ceiling is clearly there. Yeah, 300 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,119 dogs, who do you have it? Who do we have at number 301 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,079 four? Oh? Wait, we didn't? I think we disagree here? 302 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:10,359 I think we did. Yeah, so I had Emmanuel quickly here. I 303 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,799 still have I think after really after number two. Every player has significant flaws 304 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:19,759 in this class, because this class has always been more about the number of 305 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:26,519 role players and rotation members that it could produce. Once we get outside that 306 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:32,200 top tier, than the potential superstars, and it feels like we've already exhausted 307 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:34,400 the potential superstars by the time we get to number four. So like, 308 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,799 I don't love that Emmanuel Quickly is a scoring guard who doesn't really attack the 309 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:45,359 basket and get to the line. I don't love the vision I've seen from 310 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,359 him as a passer. The overall shot selection is concerning. He's not a 311 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,279 great defender, but I think you just watch him operate with the ball in 312 00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:59,480 his hands and see how proficient he is at creating space, not necessarily doing 313 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,359 anything with it yet, but just getting to spots and freeing up enough airspace 314 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,079 that he can take a semi uncontested jumper. That's a talent that we haven't 315 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:15,519 seen from that many people in this class, and ultimately being able to initiate 316 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:21,640 is so key in this era of offensive explosion that as tantalizing as some of 317 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,359 the three and D or more modern all around archetype players are in this class. 318 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,799 I want to go with that specialty skill. Yeah, I think that's 319 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:34,000 a good point, and you need his floaters and step back threes to fall 320 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,119 at higher clips than they are right now. But the fact that he has 321 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,759 both in his repertoire at the moment, I think it's really important. It 322 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:44,279 might be better because I think we flipped, we inverted between the two of 323 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,319 us four and fives, or maybe it might be better to do this than 324 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,599 some But I have Patrick Williams who's basically to me. I don't know if 325 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,000 this is the best way to frame it, but the tyrese Haliburton of BIGS 326 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:56,079 just where it feels like he's doing everything solid at the moment. Pull up 327 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,839 volume isn't absurd, but he's still hitting at a fairly high clip from inside 328 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,480 d Arco on those baby jumpers. I do feel like some of his offensive 329 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,400 game can nferral in slow motion when he's operating on the ball, but the 330 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,039 ball skills and feel, to me are clearly there. You can also clearly 331 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:15,759 move him off. And the thing that I just keep coming back to is 332 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:19,160 he's, you know, his defensive role is already super serious. He is, 333 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,240 he's spending time on a ton of number one options, a ton of 334 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:29,440 number two options. They've essentially decided from what I've watched, where it's like 335 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,200 we're just going to try and groom him as like the folcrum of our defense 336 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,599 basically, and I think it's going to pan out when you watch him. 337 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:40,480 He's gone up with some seriously hard wings and I think he's held his own 338 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:44,000 a lot this season. And he's also show him like if you want to 339 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,200 put him a movement guy too, away from the ball, he's kept up 340 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,559 with them, and I'm I don't know that I'm surprised by that, but 341 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,359 it feels like he can be more decisive and deliberate on defense in that role 342 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,519 than he is on offense without with the ball in his hands. So I'm 343 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,680 super high on Patrick Williams. And I was flabberg I said that he went 344 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:03,799 at number four. The balls are getting him again in my redraft because I 345 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,720 think he's so fundamentally sound, And then I had quickly at number five and 346 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:15,359 to just reiterate what you said on him, he's like the ability to create 347 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,880 bass there and I'm probably a little bit higher on his passing or at least 348 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,480 his decision making out of the pick and roll than you are low turn over 349 00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:22,759 there. Right now, I think he's in the seventy second percent file of 350 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:25,720 points scoord per possession this season. That's pretty big, is it? Rookie? 351 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,279 And maybe defenses will get more used to his floater and decisions and like 352 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:32,480 how he's sort of firing from beyond the three point line, but he's also 353 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:37,000 hitting a ton of unassisted threes. Yo. So I don't know that you 354 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,559 can say he's the point guard of the future for the Knicks, but he 355 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,319 is clearly like I think, if you're looking at this season, his ceiling 356 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,039 is higher than he thought, but the floor is there is like this really 357 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,559 really good six amount of the year where it's not just volume scoring, he's 358 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:57,160 doing a whole bunch of other things as well. I think the best way 359 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:02,279 to settle this, since we do ultimately want to find a consensus and we 360 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,119 have them reversed, who do you envision quickly and Patrick Williams becoming at their 361 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,160 peaks? Like, based on what we've seen so far, which current player 362 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,880 would you say is like what you think they're going to develop into? Because 363 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,079 for me, I can see quickly becoming like a CJ. McCollum type of 364 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,000 player, just like this absolute offensive dynamo who is comfortable on and off the 365 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,559 ball. And I kind of view Patrick Williams more as like I want to 366 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:36,039 say, like Pascal Siaka, where He's very obviously good in so many areas, 367 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:40,839 but I'm not sure you want him as the number one on a championship 368 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:47,359 caliber team that doesn't have a Kawhi Leonard like superstar. That's an interesting question. 369 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,000 Patrick Williams. He's the youngest guy in this class, so I just 370 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:55,880 feel like there might be which I will admit I did not really consider until 371 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,960 just now, and so that's I don't know what the player comp would be 372 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,440 for me, though I know Pascal Siakam seems decent. I feel like he's 373 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,200 going to have more defensive range. When you're kind of looking at like the 374 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,400 positions that he's going to be able to defend. It feels like his three 375 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,000 point shot, just based off what he's hitting already, is going to be 376 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:17,519 a little bit more reliable as well as pull up. I don't know that 377 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:22,000 he's ever gonna become the facilitator. The CJ. McCollum comp is probably interesting 378 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,599 for Quickly. You feel strongly more about this than me, so I think 379 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,160 we have to defer to putting Quickly at four and Williams at five. But 380 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,960 I just think given that he's the youngest in this draft class, I saw 381 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,759 him compared to like Ogianna Noby two, But I didn't really like that one. 382 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,480 That was more I don't like that as much. I think he is 383 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:47,039 more offensive upside than that. I think o Gianna Noby has more offensive upside 384 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,240 than we've even seen. But yeah, I think you look at his just 385 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:53,119 like six foot eight seven foot wingspan, it just feels like he plays the 386 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,079 more desired archetypes and it's clear that he can kind of be used as a 387 00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:00,640 wing at least on defense. But I don't have a great player conference like 388 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,400 is this daddy is young, but he can shoot threes. That's not going 389 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,240 to be it's funny because he's playing with daddy is young. So maybe that's 390 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,480 where my brain is going to. So I guess let's defer. I'll give 391 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,720 you this one. Quickly at four and Patrick Williams at five. It feels 392 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,200 weird to bump him down a spot, but it does. I think it's 393 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:25,519 more about quickly. I mean Haliburton moving up though that and also Quickly does 394 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,880 have the as of right now, the more desirable skill, which is can 395 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,359 you hit those you know or take those step back threes or create generate your 396 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,920 own. Yeah, I think frequent clip. If I had to summarize it 397 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,440 in like one line, it would be that quickly has the better top end 398 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:47,079 skill right now. Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it. 399 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,519 Number six is mine. I guess technically because you were number five or 400 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,400 do you want to take or was well, I think you would have technically 401 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,759 been number five. Yeah. So I mean, I think we agree with 402 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:03,319 with James Wiseman, and he's just been tough to evaluate for me, Like, 403 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,440 I think it's readily apparent what he can do and what he can do 404 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,119 well. It's also readily apparent where he can improve, Like he does not 405 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,799 have great hands, and it shows itself pretty frequently. Like I think you 406 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,039 chuckle there because you a great right, It's like he's trying to catch a 407 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,759 marble basically. Yeah, it's yeah, it's not fun to watch sometimes. 408 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:30,839 But I also think it's so tough to evaluate him right now because ideally you 409 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,359 want to see him play a pick and roll game with Steph Curry and we've 410 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,559 seen it work in spurts, but he spent so much time on the floor 411 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,079 with Draymond Green, who, as good as he is in a lot of 412 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:45,799 areas, is really starting to gum up the offense, Like if Draymond Green 413 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,359 is on the court, you know that another defender is going to be compressed 414 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,160 around the paint and make it harder for him to operate as a role man. 415 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,680 And it's it. I don't think we've come close to seeing what his 416 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:03,160 true ceiling looked like, because the Warriors wouldn't have taken a player who doesn't 417 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,160 really fit their system that high in the draft had they not been convinced that 418 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,319 he was a game changing force. And I just I don't think we're seeing 419 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,839 it yet. Yeah, I'm in lockstep with everything you just said. I 420 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,079 will say, even though he's only shooting sixty three percent from the fan line, 421 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,920 I'm kind of higher on him long term as a force baser after just 422 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:29,119 watching how he's done in especially at the beginning of the season shooting from beyond 423 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,160 the arc. The fact that the Warriors at least seem willing to run more 424 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,440 pick and roll now, like they're finally saying it after their fan base was 425 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,599 pretty vocal about hey this should be I feel like this dates back to the 426 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,240 Kema Durant days, where it's like, why are you only busting out the 427 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,839 k D Stephen Curry pick and roll once every six months or whatever it was, 428 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,799 So I feel like it took them too long to get there, But 429 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:56,160 maybe for the rest of the season we'll have better context with which to evaluate 430 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,319 him. Still, I think he can be a better offensive player out side 431 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,400 of the roll man. I'm assuming his hands are going to get better. 432 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,359 I don't know if he's ever gonna be able to make passes on the move 433 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,319 or anything, but I'm assuming his hands are going to get better. I 434 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,960 like him. I think he's more likely to become a semi reliable floor spacer 435 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:15,160 than I had envisioned him coming in. And I don't know if he's ever 436 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,400 saw that pretty early on two, which is encouraging, like the very first 437 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,839 game, and I think his first career shot was a three. It was 438 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,119 one of his first three shots was a three. It was a trailing three, 439 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,839 I think. And then defensively, I feel like the mobility is there, 440 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,279 more so than I gave him credit for coming out of the draft. 441 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,240 I don't know if the decision making will be there long term, or I 442 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,359 do think if you're not, I mean, if you ideally you want your 443 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,240 center to be the anchor of your defense. I don't want me to not 444 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,759 ideally, but you know, I don't know James Wiseman can be then maybe 445 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:51,200 the second best defender on Pu's a top ten defensive team in the NBA. 446 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,960 I think he be seen. But the mobility is there, which I think 447 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:57,160 is important because unless you're going to play strictly dropped coverage, like you're gonna 448 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,039 need him to come out and do a bunch of other things. I feel 449 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,400 like he could potentially get there. And that's where I agree with you about 450 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,160 the Draymond James Wiseman partnership. But having Draymond there, he would think has 451 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,440 to help him long term. With long term for sure, Yeah, but 452 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,920 I think if I can steal one of your pet terms like he's the mystery 453 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,680 box prospect now where like I thought you were gonna say optionality, but I'm 454 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,000 with it. This is for me. This was the end of a tiyear 455 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:27,680 where I'm most confident about Ball, Halliburton and Edwards now and I can't lag 456 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:33,559 kudos Anthony Edwards for changing my mind that quickly, But I think there's a 457 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,920 slight drop off there. But even with quickly, Patrick Williams and James Wiseman, 458 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,039 I think that any of them, like if you told me that fifteen 459 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:45,759 years from now they would be viewed as the best player from this class. 460 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:51,400 Yeah, I can see it. The upside is still clearly there. I 461 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,680 hate using the word upside, but I think it's true in this case, 462 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,920 And this is a bet on it because I don't if we were just going 463 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,359 off of this season, is James Wiseman in your top ten? Probably not? 464 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,440 Yeah, so there's I think we've at least but we saw him play 465 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:08,279 three college games, so like we've seen him. Even what does he have 466 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,359 for the season? Is he under sub thirty three? I didn't see him 467 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:17,839 clearly fifty minutes though, right, I mean, we still don't really know 468 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,720 who he is. But the upside is so obvious still, right, and 469 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,519 the fact that his pick and rolled usage as the roleman wasn't higher to this 470 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,599 point. I'm assuming it's going to shoot up sort of moving forward based off 471 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,759 what the Warriors are saying now. But you look at this guy and he's 472 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:37,880 you know, how many of his possessions thirteen point seven percent of his offensive 473 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:44,000 possessions have come as the roll man. That is much too low. Yeah, 474 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,039 agreed. So number seven is me correct, it is I have and 475 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,039 I don't know if this surprises me or not, but I have Sadiq Bay. 476 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,559 I kind of want. I think, like you said, we're entering 477 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:56,920 a different tier where I think you could put these in a bunch of different 478 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,519 orders. Sadiq Bay has shocked me with He's not the most efficient player right 479 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:07,880 now, but he has more. He's hitting his threes at a good clip, 480 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,400 mind you, and it looks like that ended up being a really good 481 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,119 pickup for the for the Pistons. Thirty point five percent of his threes in 482 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,079 their current offense is good he has and we haven't seen it yet necessarily as 483 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,480 a playmaker, maybe it gets there. He has more ball skills than I 484 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,119 thought, where you can see him like he's putting the ball on the floor 485 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,799 more often than I ever would have thought, and watching him, it feels 486 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:30,400 like they have someone who's going to be better than just that three and D 487 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,880 wing archetype where I don't know that he's going to be. Maybe it's an 488 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,720 og an Anoby situation. I get that that's not the perfect comp but maybe 489 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,519 it's an og an Anoby situation where no, you're not really going to trust 490 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,039 him to be the playmaker, but he's going to put the ball on the 491 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,960 floor in more ways than just attacking those straight line, wide open drives, 492 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,839 like he might be able to navigate some traffic get around guys. Maybe you 493 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,559 could even hope that he's going to get better at at throwing his kickouts on 494 00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,240 the move or are you going to run more pick and roll with him moving 495 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:05,039 forward? There's more to explore to plumb there than I thought, And maybe 496 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:09,119 that's you know, there's way too many problems with my draft analysis personally, 497 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,799 but we do tend to boil down I think collectively these guys into oh, 498 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,519 he's going to be a great, complimentary player, and that might be true. 499 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,559 I just feel like there's a little bit more depth to his skill set 500 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:24,799 than Matt Yeah. I think though, even if we just focus on the 501 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:30,640 signature skill, the three point shooting, like that's impressive enough where I have 502 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,880 him at seven. Anyway, because I still with these role players, which 503 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,079 is the category of players I think we're moving into here, the high upside 504 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:45,960 rotation members. You want that one supermarketable, niche skill that you know you 505 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,680 can rely on, and we already know that we can rely on this three 506 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,640 pointer. He's the first rookie to hit one hundred threes this season, taking 507 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,839 five point nine per game, making thirty eight point five percent of them. 508 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,519 And that's just super important given the proliferation of three pointers that we've seen throughout 509 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:02,720 the NBA in recent seasons. Like, you need a guy like that, 510 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:07,559 And even if he did nothing else, that's that valuable. And he does 511 00:34:07,639 --> 00:34:12,559 do a lot else, Yeah, he does. And I guess the one 512 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,480 what would you call his swing skill? And I would say it's probably hitting 513 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,639 the jumpers off the dribble, because yeah, I was gonna say the same 514 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,280 thing. It's even a two dribble jumper, like just being able to pump, 515 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,920 pump, fake, take a couple of steps in and take a better 516 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,559 shock. And I don't know. I don't know if this is the the 517 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,119 product of just the way the Pistons are built, or if this was just 518 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,360 if he was gonna get playing time coming in as a rookie. You know, 519 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,800 if he was actually on Brooklyn, would he have would he have done 520 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,400 this? I'd be curious to see. But I think when you're the Pistons, 521 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,440 it's definitely worth just experimenting and exploring to see if you have more than 522 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,039 just the you know, the three and D prototype here and again watching him 523 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:50,000 and not all the numbers are gonna line with it. I think you do. 524 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,880 And look, he has spent just basically ninety percent of his time split 525 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,119 almost evenly between guarding twos, threes and fours. That is, that's just 526 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,639 that's what you want defensively from the wing. I think we're locked up on 527 00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:05,599 the next guy. I'm wondering if you before he ended him, did you 528 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,719 consider putting him any higher? Because I was a little bit tempted. I 529 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,840 was a little bit tempted. We both have Devin Vassell from the San Antonio 530 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:20,599 Spurs up next. I was tempted to put him higher than Sadiq Bay because 531 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,960 he fits that three and D archetype more. But I don't think he's quite 532 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,840 as good in the three point shooting area, and I don't think the defense 533 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,000 is quite prominent enough to push him over the top. But still, like, 534 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,960 I feel like if there's a rookie who just hasn't been talked about in 535 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,679 this class who should be at this stage, it's probably Devin Vassell. It 536 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:46,079 seems like he's flown totally under the radar because he hasn't had that like week 537 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:51,320 long peak like other players have had, Like it was so obvious that LaMelo 538 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,679 ball was taking over before he got hurt. Before that, it was so 539 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,519 clear how good Tyrese Haliburton was, and James Wiseman got the love at the 540 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:04,239 start of the season and Emmanuel quickly had his surge and the cell has been 541 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,639 more steady. But like in NBA Mass TPA, he is among rookies who 542 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:13,480 have played two hundred plus minutes, he only trails the mellow ball Tyrese Haliburton 543 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:17,480 and Emmanuel quickly. In TPA, it's still a slightly negative score, but 544 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,440 putting up minus five point three seven TPA and six hundred forty nine minutes is 545 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,599 impressive because zero isn't replacement level. It's playing like an average NBA player. 546 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,079 So like the fact that he's filling a true three M D role for a 547 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:36,280 better than expected team and playing like a league average player by that metric, 548 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,719 that's impressive. Over how much time he's spent on the court, the thing 549 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,119 for me is so the the I don't know, I'm surprised at how much 550 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,039 he's defended point guards and he's done it well on the games that I've seen 551 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,320 and so he seems like where we look at bay as okay, two through 552 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,760 four, the cell seems more like one through three, where maybe the bigger 553 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,719 guards and definitely the you know, the small forwards where maybe in time he 554 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,960 could covering more of them. Those might give him trouble. But he feels 555 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,920 like another rookie that you look at and say, oh, he's you know, 556 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,639 you can already kind of not kind of. I do trust him on 557 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,880 defense, and you're you know, he can be sneaky with his shot contest, 558 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,039 breaking up place from behind, feels like he's one of those guys. 559 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,280 I don't know how high end he'll be on this end, and you can 560 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,880 look at if we're trying to project, I don't know how people like. 561 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,360 There's always though, oh he spent two years in college. There's the stigma 562 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,320 as opposed to having the one. But he is still only twenty years old. 563 00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,960 I don't know enough about his offense where I thought it look it's great. 564 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,079 He's setting forty percent of his threes. He's averaging one point three drives 565 00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:36,559 per game, which just speaks to the fact that he's not putting the ball 566 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,559 on the floor A ton for the Spurs team they don't need. It's almost 567 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:43,519 yeah, And I think he can do more than that because I feel like 568 00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:47,800 we saw him from the and you know hat Tip Adams Vanilla box end one 569 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,400 just fantastic writer. He does the He has his YouTube channel where he does 570 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,920 a lot of the scouting reports, so I you know, crash course and 571 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,119 knows leading up to the draft and looking at him, it felt like there 572 00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,840 was more ball skills there. I don't know that I can give him credit 573 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,320 for that just yet, at least over Sadiq Bay. When Bay is the 574 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,360 guy doing it at the NBA level, again not efficiently, which older than 575 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,199 that higher volume role, and Vassell just simply hasn't had the chance to do 576 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,000 that. It wouldn't I did grappl I did consider him. Putting above Bay 577 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:16,840 is the moral of that long winded story. And Bay is also doing what 578 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,079 he's doing on a worst team, which I think matters like It's not neither 579 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:28,800 of these players is currently capable of elevating a team, but Sadiq Bay is 580 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,079 managing to expand what he's doing in a positive way and not necessarily looking over 581 00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:38,320 extended on the Detroit Pistons Versus Devin Vassell fitting in with a contender, which 582 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:45,639 is more important but is probably not as difficult to do. Yeah, I 583 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,760 mean that makes sense. I'm curious as to whether, and maybe this is 584 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,239 just a question for later on, whether you like, who's the swing prospect 585 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,519 in this tier where we think they're gonna be role players? Who has the 586 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,400 starry ceiling. I don't know that we've reached them yet. I think it's 587 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,480 the next three. I was about to it's because we're on this guy, 588 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,800 which is the reason I was asking. I have at number nine, I 589 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,119 have Kyra Lewis, junior of the Pelicans. He was tough to plays. 590 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,719 He has played in thirty one games. He just hasn't played a ton this 591 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,199 year. The two things that well, I guess a few things that stand 592 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,199 out is this dude is fast. He is just a blur. And it's 593 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,000 not like, hey, Kyra Lewis needs to get going downhill. It's oh, 594 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,239 Kyra Lewis is there, and oh no, wait he's he's over there. 595 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,400 He can just get going from from stand stills. So that that's that 596 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:39,199 hyper intrigues me. I think he's going to end up being a pretty good 597 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,159 game manager. He's already as a scorer fairly efficient on the pick and roll, 598 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:45,440 does not turn over the ballaton. I don't know if he's ever going 599 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,159 to be the guy that that draws fouls he is what. I also think 600 00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,719 he's encouraging six of seventeen on pull up threes this year. That's thirty five 601 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,000 point three percent, so it's a super small sample size. He I feel 602 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,239 like he could end up being a captain for a top five offense just looking 603 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,480 at what he's able to do there, So he might be. I mean, 604 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,199 I've already put him highest among the three guys that are coming up in 605 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:12,760 this redraft, but I do think of the players that we're about to talk 606 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,360 about where we might view or at least the next two, they have that 607 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,039 if something breaks right, they'll have an All Star appearance or more. I 608 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,920 might buy into him more than anyone else who's forthcoming, and probably even more 609 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,320 so than the seller Bay, just based off the type of roles that they're 610 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,159 going to play in the NBA. I think you're right that if I had 611 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:36,639 to pick anyone from the remaining portion of this class to have that best in 612 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,880 class ceiling, Kyra Lewis would be my choice. But I think that his 613 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:45,840 floor is also lower, just because we've seen a lot of players like that 614 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:52,280 where they're ridiculously fast there, they look like they should be talented scores, 615 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,440 they seem to have good passing vision, Like the name Brandon Jennings is popping 616 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,239 to mind here. I'm not saying that they're they're the same, but like 617 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,960 I can see that kind of career are for Kyra Lewis junior as well, 618 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:06,679 even though I can also see him developing into an All Star like that upside 619 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,960 is definitely there and it's tantalizing. I did have him at number ten and 620 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,039 I had Denny Ava at number nine. I don't think his ceilings is high, 621 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:21,719 and I don't think anyone ever thought that, because his case going into 622 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,679 the draft was that he's this pro's pro already who can come in and make 623 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,719 an impact and you know that he's going to be good. He's not going 624 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,920 to be great, but you know he's going to be good. And I'm 625 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,000 not sure that that evaluation has changed that much. I think that part of 626 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,480 the reason he struggled is just the Wizard's effect as they're trying to figure out 627 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:43,880 like what direction they're going and how they're going to make this Russell Westbrook, 628 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,199 Bradley beal backcourt work while they also deal with injuries and occasionally have to try 629 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:52,800 to get him into a bigger role than he's ready for. But even though 630 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,360 he's only shooting thirty two point six percent from three point range, which is 631 00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:01,320 probably the most disappointing number for him, there aren't many things that he does 632 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:07,039 poorly. Like I watch him and I see a quality defender, even on 633 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:12,880 another atrocious defensive team. He knows where to go to fill lanes in transition, 634 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,280 he knows when to cut and when to spot up, like he is 635 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,440 already that the player who I think he was billed as coming into the draft, 636 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,400 who had that professional experience contributing on a high level, competitive team and 637 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:29,800 important moments. And even though he has been worse than expected to this point, 638 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,320 hence him falling in this redraft, I still don't know that I'm any 639 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,480 less sold that he's high enough sealing that I still wanted to hire. He 640 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:43,679 does feel like he's eventually going to be that we've said, and how many 641 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:46,480 times like these sort of comprehensive guys who maybe they're not going to be stars 642 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:51,000 superstars, like a Tyris Alibert and or Patrick Williams. It feels like he 643 00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,360 could get there. Because I agree with everything you said. I guess I'm 644 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,400 just reticent to believe he's going to get the role that I think he needs 645 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,280 because I do feel like he needs to operate with the ball on his hands 646 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,159 more. And again, I don't want to interpret his rookie season as this 647 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,440 end all be all, but over eighty one percent of his shots have come 648 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,840 off assist this year, and I think that's just the effect of Hey Bradley 649 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,880 beyond hustle Westbrook on this this Wizards team. I do think the efficiency will 650 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,440 climb. He's already a fifty four point eight percent on two pointers. He 651 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,000 doesn't get to the foul line enough for me to read too much into him 652 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,400 shooting sixty five point four percent. That I think you have to believe will 653 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,039 come up. It's I think what's gonna be huge for his career if he's 654 00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:30,440 gonna stay in Washington at least for the receivable future, is do the flashes 655 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,199 that you're seeing off the ball where it looks like he's in the right spots 656 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,800 or he can sort of duck in from the corner, Like is he going 657 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,239 to start converting on those or doing those more, doing those, finishing those 658 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,159 plays more consistently, I guess would be the best best way to put it. 659 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,599 The one thing I would say that has shocked me is I didn't think 660 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,679 he was going to be this good on defense. And I don't know if 661 00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:52,079 I was just stereotype typing him there, but he can move a lot better 662 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,000 on the defensive end than I thought. And so you're I don't know that 663 00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:58,800 he's ever going to be this, you know, net plus defender. I 664 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,719 certainly don't think he's gonna be making defense teams. But he's six nine and 665 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,280 he sort of knows how to use it, particularly when he's you know, 666 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,079 excuse me as my throat is being cleared there. I feel like he knows 667 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:14,119 how to use his sage to his advantage when he is going to be both 668 00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:15,639 honor away from the ball. And then I trusted more as a one on 669 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:20,239 one defender than I ever thought that I would, not just as a rookie. 670 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,079 But trying to project forward, yeah, I think I'm gonna defer you 671 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:28,280 here though. And we can put Kyra Lewis Junior at number nine in our 672 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,599 consensus redraft for two reasons one is it would be hypocritical of me not to 673 00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:39,760 do that. Because my buddy Shashank and I, who co manage a basketball 674 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,320 team within a multi sport fantasy league, we just dropped Danny Avia from our 675 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,800 roster and we drafted him as a potential keeper, and I think that was 676 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,360 an indication to me that, like, he doesn't have as high as ceiling 677 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,440 as I originally thought, which is probably enough to drop him below Kyra Lewis 678 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,199 junior here because I don't think I value to Sealing highly enough. I just 679 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:07,119 thinking about it again, like I view Davis Sell Lewis and Obvia and our 680 00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,679 next guy all in the same tier, and it's sort of this mishmash of 681 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:19,639 upside and reliable floors. But we're still talking about guys we probably don't expect 682 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,679 to be All star caliber players, in which case I think I still want 683 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:28,519 to value the upside more because those high floor role players are are easier to 684 00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:32,280 find. I also think maybe this is oversimplifying it, but I think he 685 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,679 is just inherently Kyra Lewis that is going to inherently have more control over his 686 00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:43,320 whatever offense he is long term than where Denny obvious you're probably looking at. 687 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,039 Most likely in many cases, i'd be shocked if he's ever just the guy 688 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:52,960 that's running the offense right lock it in. Yeah, So this one, 689 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,599 I think we're about This one, I think is where we're we're about to 690 00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,760 divide a little bit because I know I have this next person is not who 691 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,599 you have? Is are we up to you? Or may by the way, 692 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:07,280 where are you here with the odd number? So this is going this 693 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,920 is going to be a divergence from what you have. I have Jaden McDaniels 694 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,199 here. I am fascinated by him to no end. The things he is 695 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:21,159 doing already on defense as a rookie. He has defended some number one options. 696 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:25,280 He has defended just all these different types of positions. His health defense 697 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,000 is really good, which I feel like around the basket and that's just not 698 00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:36,079 red you necessarily see a rookie making at this stage. He also just has 699 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,960 you know, let's use throw the word optionality out here. He can defend 700 00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:42,960 one through four, it feels like at this point and I have, you 701 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,159 know, and just looking at some of his just defensive vitals, he is 702 00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:50,760 allowing a port to shoot fifty two point three percent at the rim this season, 703 00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,599 which is a top twenty mark among everyone that's contested at least one hundred 704 00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:59,719 shots. It's eighty two players that have contested at least one hundred shots at 705 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,119 the basket this season. I think he's wearing at there or is that number 706 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:06,519 off? Oh, I'm sorry. Among eighty six players who've contested more than 707 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,519 one hundred twenty five shots at the rim, he's just seventeenth there, And 708 00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:14,639 just to put his fifty two point three percent percentage surrendered in perspective of each 709 00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:16,880 a zoo Box is right below at fifty three point eight, and Robin Lopez 710 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,840 is just above him at fifty three point one, and so is Giannis fifty 711 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,400 three point one. That's just someone where it's like he feels like he's more 712 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,800 so, you know, looking at his build and then obviously his size six 713 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,800 nine, he's kind of like a tweeter big. He's more so a wing 714 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,599 than a big. But to have someone who can do that for you around 715 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,679 the basket is is just huge, especially in his role where I think the 716 00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:44,199 wolves biggest position of need is that front court spot next to Towns. They 717 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,119 might have the answer. Jane McDaniels, I feel like, we can't discount 718 00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:51,639 that enough. Offensively, I think he's going to be The question is where 719 00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:55,400 does he sort of fit in? And it's definitely encouraging that he's shooting thirty 720 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,880 seven point seven percent from three this year. I wonder is he going to 721 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,119 be able to do more stuff? You know, you've seen him kind of 722 00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,480 attack these open lanes and finish stronger at the rim. Is that something he's 723 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,679 going to be able to do in higher volume might be worth watching? I 724 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,679 will say that I don't know if this is like an underrated part of his 725 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,960 game, but he has more assist just than I thought. I didn't think 726 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,519 he was averaging over an assist per game. So he has forty four assists 727 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,559 to twenty seven turnovers, which is better than I would have expected from him. 728 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:29,800 His swing here is going to be what does he become on offense where 729 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,119 Look, he's fifty four point two true shooting right now. That is fairly 730 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,679 substantially how about that phrasing below league average, and for the types of shots 731 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,639 he's most likely going to take, you want to see him hit more than 732 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,800 or do you want to see him hit probably a little bit more than fifty 733 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,360 one point four percent of his twos at the moment because he is taking about 734 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,920 twenty five percent of his shots within three feet. But this just looks like 735 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,079 someone who is going to be a glue guy long term on really good teams. 736 00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,000 And we're at the point I don't really know that we can swing on 737 00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:05,679 star potential here unless you disagree. But that's why I have Jaden McDaniel, 738 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,400 So yes, I'm just I'm endlessly fascinated by him. I get it. 739 00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:14,920 I don't have any arguments against it, even though I did have Jaden McDaniels 740 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,920 and my honorable mentions just outside my lottery. But I am going to swing 741 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,199 for the stars here with Alexey Pakachevski, where the numbers don't back that up, 742 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,000 like he's barely clearing thirty percent from the field and twenty percent from three 743 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,360 point range. But then you just watch him play and you're like, I 744 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,400 might need to take a chance on that, Like I'm not sure I care, 745 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,400 because this is still a true seven footer, lanky as hell, who's 746 00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,159 lofting up four threes a game and attacking the basket with these weird shot put 747 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:52,800 lay up attempts and passing fancy passes all over the court and playing like pretty 748 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:58,280 competent defense both around the rim and at the perimeter, like there's enough there 749 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,360 that numbers be. I am like, I want to take a chance on 750 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,199 this guy. The thunder are with you thirty nine point six. True. 751 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,000 You're giving him some serious run too, which I think says something. He 752 00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,719 said running. It might just say that they're trying to tank, but it 753 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,360 says something, and it's they're like, yeah, they started to give him 754 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,480 serious run. But even when he was only playing in some small birds, 755 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,320 he was not shy about firing away. I'm just concerned, Like I refuse 756 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,559 to believe that he's one hundred and ninety pounds, Like I just I refuse 757 00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:30,280 to believe it. And so how do you know he weighed in with bricks 758 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,760 in his pants for sure? Yeah, I just want to me he was 759 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,360 wearing cinder block shoes too. I just want to I just wanted to clarify 760 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,760 that. I'm just curious. Look, the inefficiency doesn't bother me, but 761 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,880 there's like a lot of turnover stuff there too with him, and that might 762 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,039 just be pretty. No it's not pretty, but if you want a big 763 00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:50,119 with that ball skills, I get why he's so tantalizing. It's just tough 764 00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,960 for me to envision what the best case scenario of his is because what is 765 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:59,199 he on defense? To you defense? It doesn't it feel like kind of 766 00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:02,280 a situation where he's a helper that he might be better off sort of guarding 767 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,199 like wings as opposed to bigs. Maybe I'm just over exaggerating, kind of 768 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,239 like I almost feel like if he could be like a Dwight Powell like defensive 769 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,400 role where he's definitely better in that help role. He can switch, you 770 00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:22,360 don't necessarily want him to, and he's gonna be exposed as the primary rim 771 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,559 protector. Look, he did have Maybe there, maybe I'm just underrating. 772 00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:29,079 I have him as an honorable mention, So he's not in my top fourteen. 773 00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:35,000 Maybe I'm just a playmaking seven footer. What does he see? Seven? 774 00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:36,920 Was he seven? One? Oh? He's a seven footer exactly a 775 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,480 playmaking seven footer where it looks like he's a wing when he's dribbling. If 776 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,199 the shots started to start to go down and he cuts down on his turnovers, 777 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,159 I get why it's so intriguing. I just maybe I maybe I just 778 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,079 I don't think there is a comparison is the issue, like he's very rarely 779 00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:59,320 does a player come around where you're like, I haven't seen that before. 780 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,800 Yeah, and maybe I just don't have the foreslight that you and Sam Presty 781 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,559 do. I think that's what it is. That's people have always called me 782 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,000 Sam for that reason. How do we settle this today? That's blatantly false. 783 00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:15,960 I have no idea. I think we should. Probably I'll defer to 784 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:22,400 you because your eye openly said that I'm not betting on I'll do this. 785 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,719 We can make a deal. We can. I'll give you Jaden McDaniels at 786 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:32,840 eleven if we can take Pakashevski at twelve. Okay, I mean, if 787 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,800 you're gonna that's fine, because who I have a twelve? I'd be okay, 788 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,159 bumping, Yeah, okay, let's do that. McDaniels at eleven, 789 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,840 Pakashevski at twelve? Who did you have at thirteen? We might end up 790 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:49,360 having to do that again. What do you mean like our bargaining because I'm 791 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,519 not sure we're going to be involve I thought you met the poke WHU segment 792 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:55,639 and oh no, no, we nailed that one. So he was my 793 00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,639 twelve. But he's now my thirteen has been vain, definitely build as a 794 00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:05,960 shooter, and he is certainly a shooter. He has hit his threes at 795 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,679 a good clip. He's also hit some not a ton of them, but 796 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,679 he's shown that he can hit you know, some off the dribble threes. 797 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,599 That is just a hugely valuable skill we've talked about. I don't know if 798 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:19,840 he falls into this category, but we've talked about how the Grizzlies have needed 799 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,400 that, like building block wing forever, probably even since before Rudy Gay was 800 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,559 there. I don't know if he's that guy. I don't know if I 801 00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:31,599 view him in the same or in that vein defensively, but it does feel 802 00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:35,000 like he has a lot to offer on the offensive end, aside from the 803 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,760 shoot where it's yeah, you know what, he'll be able to attack some 804 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,000 clothes outs and he might be able to generate some more of his shots from 805 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,400 the perimeter. No, I don't think you're ever going to turn to him 806 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,519 as anything close to a primary ball handler, but he is he also a 807 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:52,440 guy who in that six five six six range, Is he gonna make your 808 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,760 defense? No? But is he gonna hurt it? This feels like he 809 00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:01,039 could typify the the three and D archetype with a little bit extra to offer. 810 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:08,559 I was I struggled with this one because I wanted to have Desmond band 811 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:12,039 there. He was within my lottery, but he was at the very end 812 00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:15,880 of it. I was totally on the Desmond Bane bandwagon going into the draft. 813 00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:22,000 I thought that he should have gotten lottery consideration. Then I wanted to 814 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:28,920 draft him for that aforementioned fantasy team then, and he's done nothing but impressed 815 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,039 with his shot, and I agree with you that I still think there's that 816 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:36,159 three D, three and D potential there. I did have Isaiah Stewart pencil 817 00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:43,559 did at number twelve, though, just because he is just this absolute bundle 818 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,480 of energy on both ends of the floor that I think, properly harnessed, 819 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,000 could be really valuable. I'm not sure that I truly buy the jumper. 820 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,440 He's made ten of twenty three threes, but he's only made sixty seven percent 821 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,360 of his free throws, and those don't really square to get other for a 822 00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:05,280 raw big man, but the willingness to even take them at this stage is 823 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,840 impressive. So I think, like I think, I'm good with Desmond Vane 824 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:13,400 at twelve, just because I strongly considered that. But I'm really intrigued by 825 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,760 Isaiah Stewart And it's another one of those battle, those internal battles where are 826 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,079 we valuing the higher floor or the higher ceiling? Because I think that Baine 827 00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:28,320 definitely satisfies the higher floor and Stewart does the higher ceiling, and we've deferred 828 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,840 to the higher ceiling in the past, but is it worth doing that here? 829 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:37,679 So if you but Verry scatter Brand, if you bought into Isaiah Stewart 830 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,440 being this floor spacing five long like for his career, if you trusted his 831 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,360 jumper more, I'll be willing to defer. I'll give you start at thirteen. 832 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,000 Is Joel Embi at a floor spacing pick, Yes, but look at 833 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,960 the volume he's been and he's also doing face up things that Isaiah Stewart is 834 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:59,599 not valid counter argument, so I would be cool, you know, if 835 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,360 you want to maybe talk about to someone else, be twelve. I just 836 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:07,280 feel like Baine is going to have I'm just looking at his jumper like that's 837 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,239 just gonna be the more desirable skill than this. This firecracker who look at 838 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,400 Isaiah Stewart is you know, he's been not for a rookie, not too 839 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:20,800 bad as a rim protector. He leads all rookies in offensive rebounded rebounding percentage 840 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,480 at twelve point five, and so he's gonna get those second chance opportunities. 841 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,280 He's been mega efficient as the role guy, and I would think that I 842 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,199 don't know if if we can guarantee it goes up, but as Detroit sort 843 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,679 of improves, you should have more space to sort of operate with. Though 844 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,360 no, so maybe even that improves. I just feel like Desmond Baine kind 845 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,920 of has the more desirable skill set, and so I would probably defer to 846 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,280 him at twelve. I had Stewart at fourteen. We should say thirteen. 847 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,079 That was my bad. I said that earlier, but we had pocket shots 848 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,880 get twelve, so this is thirteen. Yeah, so if you want to 849 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,199 go thirteen fourteen, because you will. I did have someone else. I 850 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,360 was actually struggling. Let's let's run through the other options, because we had 851 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,159 Desmondaine and Isaiah Stewart. Seems like the two favorites. Maybe, but other 852 00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:08,599 guys that I mentioned and think are at least deserving of a shout out here. 853 00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,000 I had, you know, I had to give a shout out to 854 00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:14,760 Grant Riller, who's killing it in the in the G League, but not 855 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:22,480 serious. I'm contractually obligated. I'm not sure who the contract is with, 856 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:28,199 but there we are Obi Toppin, who has been disappointing, but I think 857 00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:31,639 there's still so much offensive upside there. They have to give him the ball 858 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:35,320 more they do, and they're just not set up to do that. Like 859 00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:37,679 on a different team, I think that he would be looking a lot more 860 00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:43,880 promising than he is right now. Cole Anthony, I think another really tough 861 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,239 role with the Magic, only going to get tougher after their post trade deadline 862 00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:50,880 moves. But he's been important and has taken big shots and his playmaking looks 863 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,320 really good. He's been he's had a ferry just a huge shock creation burden 864 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,079 for them this year. I'm with you there. Peydon Pritchard has been a 865 00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:01,679 ridiculously pesky defender, a good shooter, a good ball handler, just a 866 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,119 nice, reliable, like high end backup guard. Like I'm viewing him with 867 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:13,960 like a Monte Morris level career. So top five all time. Got it 868 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,239 absolutely was that the end of your HMS. No, I'm just you were 869 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,639 following up on him, and I was curious if you had anything to add 870 00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:23,039 on that one. No, I would agree with you there. He was 871 00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:28,440 actually of the well because someone or two players are actually getting bumped for me. 872 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,960 But he was the one that I had in my honorable mentions that was 873 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,440 the toughest to leave off. Yeah, yeah, that was Cole Anthony for 874 00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:40,280 me. Tyrese Maxie just another scoring spark plug, but not as efficient or 875 00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:45,519 talented at creating that open spaces at guys like quickly. He might end up 876 00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:50,840 being just a more I might like his defense a little bit better than I 877 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,280 like the idea of him creating his own shot at every level, but the 878 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,880 fact that he can get and fire away from every level is important. I'm 879 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,039 just curious to see where his efficiency lands long term. And Yetta Kongwu, 880 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:07,320 who is still tantalizing because of the idea of him and we have not really 881 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:14,039 gotten to see the full picture because of foot injuries and just struggles to work 882 00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,280 his way into the rotation for a team that wants to compete right right now. 883 00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:22,920 And I don't even know how he looks at Atlanta moving forward, because 884 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,719 if they keep John Collins, which I would expect them to and click cappella 885 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,920 there. His minutes are going to be forever tat. You know, they 886 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,599 don't have to play John Collins at cent, but just having those two bigs 887 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:37,400 in front of him are gonna artificially defleet his minutes. Xavier Tillman Senior, 888 00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:42,760 just the classic, plays like a veteran rookie who's good at everything, but 889 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,239 not great at anything, especially good on defense. Yeah, he's surprised me 890 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,639 this season. He would be my HMS two. I didn't really give him 891 00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:52,840 consideration for the top four team though, did you not? Really? He 892 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,559 was on the back end of it, as was my final guy on the 893 00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:59,199 list, which is Killy and Hayes, where I just I haven't seen enough 894 00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:01,719 to evaluate him. I liked him a lot based on what I saw playing 895 01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:07,280 internationally before he got to the NBA, but he looked awful. He just 896 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,880 couldn't generate any space, he couldn't make anything. I'm sure some of that 897 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,400 was just a slump that made him look worse than he actually is, but 898 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:19,199 the idea of him is still very tantalizing. I want to give a shout 899 01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:22,480 out to the only one that you missus Jawn Smith. I'm actually just kidding. 900 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,800 I thought that was I thought Phoenix blew it with that pick, but 901 01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:29,280 he did have In the preseason, one of the co hosts of the Timeline 902 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,679 podcast sent me a clip of him like doing this spin move off the drive 903 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:35,119 when he finished at the rim. So clearly his ceiling is higher than that 904 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,679 of DeAndre Ayton. I don't mean to crabble over him. I'm just still 905 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,840 if the Knicks. If the Knicks weren't going to draft Tyrese Haliburton, Phoenix 906 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,280 was just the spot. I know you say anywhere was just the spot. 907 01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:47,119 But learning under Chris Paul and Devin Booker, my god, I agree. 908 01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:52,639 I agree with you wholeheartedly. But the one that you left off that I 909 01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:55,719 actually had, and he was in my top fourteen originally. I really like 910 01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,800 Isaac Okoro. I'm not sure what he is on offense. Get the concerns 911 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,960 you brought up pre podcast, which I'm sure to get into here. My 912 01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,159 one pushback would be, while we don't know what he is offensively, and 913 01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:10,679 I do think that Cleveland probably hasn't simplified his role enough just yet. He 914 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:16,280 has more ball skills and just better vision than I think you're talking about latist 915 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:22,159 table before we had started, and he's already just you know, a defensive 916 01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:24,960 monster kindness. I'm not saying he's a defensive Player of the Year candidate, 917 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,760 but he's given them an actual point of attack defender who is really going to 918 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:36,280 compete, and he's defending primary ball handlers. He's going after shock creators a 919 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,880 ton. We've seen him kind of you know, float off the ball as 920 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,400 well, and chase around guys who're gonna be pinballing around the half court. 921 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:49,199 Two. I this is someone I think has an all defensive ceiling with tools 922 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,840 to actually use on offense. I don't. I think a big part of 923 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,599 it's going to be can he hit stand still threes at a decent clip? 924 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,159 But the other probably if you surround him with enough spacing, is this someone 925 01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:01,280 who can actually attack himself. I don't want that to be the primal part 926 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,199 of his game, but I am. I think it probably comes down to 927 01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:08,960 how deep do you think his offensive toolbox can be? And I would say 928 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,559 that he's more than just a niche guy who can't have the ball in his 929 01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:19,079 hands and like Tible's going to fire up the occasional three. I struggled with 930 01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:22,159 this one. I originally wrote him down in my honorable mentions and then cut 931 01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,960 his name just because that list was getting too long, and immediately felt bad 932 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,679 about it, because, like you said, like he really is that good 933 01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:32,480 on defense. I think he's one of the primary reasons that they got off 934 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,639 to such a hot start. Like we wanted to give so much credit to 935 01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:40,480 that sexcellent backcourt, but he was really impactful too, because by taking on 936 01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:45,480 tough assignments right from the start, he made things way easier on them and 937 01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:50,280 allowed them to grow. That was definitely like this synergistic relationship that I don't 938 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,960 think we fully recognize at the time. But I am just I'm too concerned 939 01:02:52,960 --> 01:03:00,480 about the offensive black holeness. I see what you're saying about the ball skills. 940 01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:05,920 Other players have developed three pointers, but he's just been such a glaring 941 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,920 negative on that end of the floor that I don't think I can envision him 942 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:16,719 having a high enough ceiling to work his way into the lottery in this redraft. 943 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:22,079 To be clear, five years ago, sure, ten years ago, 944 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:27,760 certainly, but I think we've already seen the game evolve so much just with 945 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,440 the spread of three pointers, and you know, We're currently in the middle 946 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,719 of a weird season where like four of the top five offensive ratings in NBA 947 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,719 history are coming from this season, and part of that, I'm sure it 948 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,400 is just the lack of offense and offense being are the lack of off season 949 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,320 and offense being the easier thing to just kind of make up on the fly 950 01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:51,119 rather than an established and disciplined defensive system. But we've also seen this in 951 01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:54,960 previous recent seasons, where the top offenses are getting better and everyone's following suit 952 01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,000 and the league average offensive rating is rising, And I just I'm not sure 953 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:04,360 you can play that much of an offensive liability on a good team if his 954 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,519 defense is going to end up if he's like this legitimate, just point of 955 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:14,239 attack. So what happens to Tony Allen in twenty twenty one? You think, 956 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,039 I mean Tony Allen was he was he was absolutely good enough to play, 957 01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:26,000 would be in the starting lineup of a quality team. But is he 958 01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:30,119 is Isaaca Cora going to be Tony Allen? Because even that version of Tony 959 01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:33,760 Allen in today's NBA, when you're just not even remotely worried about him making 960 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,599 a three pointer and you can sag off from to the point that you clog 961 01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:45,000 up everything. I just you're low low on his offense. Then, yeah, 962 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,880 that's the issue. I guess time will tell on that one. Were 963 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,199 there any players, because I have a few, I didn't consider them for 964 01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:55,000 honorable mentions, But there are a few players that I'm just interested to see 965 01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,760 get more opportunities. I don't know if they'll ever worked themselves in that conversation, 966 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,960 but just a few other guys that you looked at and were like, 967 01:05:01,159 --> 01:05:03,719 they haven't played enough. I wouldn't put them in this conversation probably even if 968 01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:09,679 they did. But whose careers you're just super intrigued by moving forward? Yeah, 969 01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:15,239 Grant Riller, Zeke Zeke Naji is one. RJ. Hampton is one. 970 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,199 I want to see more from Vernon Carey, Yes, Malachi Flynn. 971 01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:26,960 Yeah, look, I would love Robert Woodard's game, and he has played 972 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,079 a grand total of twenty six minutes so far. Yeah. RJ. Hampton, 973 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,159 I'm excited to See's only played two games in Orlando so far. I'm 974 01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:38,320 very excited to see him get more run There. You mentioned Vernon Carrey Jr. 975 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,840 Has torn up the G League for much of this year and I wonder 976 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,039 if he's going to be in play is just one of the two primary bigs 977 01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:46,199 in Charlotte next season, because every I think all their centers are basically free 978 01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:49,440 agents, and I guess they'll probably resign Cody's eller, but are they gonna 979 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:54,199 pay one? And if they don't, Vernon Carrey Junior should get run Tayo 980 01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:59,320 Maladone. There are a lot of names Tayo Maladone too, just someone who's 981 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,320 not shying offense might be able to run a competent second unit. And I 982 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,639 think if I had to pick like the one, and then I'm most intrigued 983 01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:11,079 by as Malikai Flynn. If you were gonna talk about someone you want as 984 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:15,239 an air parent to Kyle Lowry or even Fred van Fleet. He's clearly not 985 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,480 as like fairly or just like strong as those two, but he competes on 986 01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:26,159 defense and it feels like he can just adopt their personality there. And so 987 01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:28,639 if he ever gets you know, maybe we'll see it this season, because 988 01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:32,440 who knows what's going to happen with the Raptors this year. I still think 989 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,039 they're a really good team, which is the circumstances and brutalize them more than 990 01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:39,639 most, but Malachi Flynn and I'm also a sucker for guys to come out 991 01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:44,000 of San Diego State at this point, so fair, that's totally valid. 992 01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:48,079 But yeah, let's I think we should finalize the last two spots, recap 993 01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:53,159 the order, and then wrap up because we're going fairly long for rookies here 994 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,239 as we are wont to do. I will just quickly mentioned sabing Lee, 995 01:06:57,239 --> 01:06:59,440 who can really get into the heart of defense, is more than I thought. 996 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,599 Not efficient there though, both cashus it's too Winston and Stanley want to 997 01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:05,719 see more of them, all right, So what do you want to take 998 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,639 us through the order that we had? Well, what do we want to 999 01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:13,239 do at thirteen and fourteen? Do we want to go with Baine and Stewart? 1000 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,000 I think that's I think that's the right call. I don't know that 1001 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,800 I feel I mean, you laid out a very you're at least in passion 1002 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,920 case for Okoro, I feel like it's a little way off. But I 1003 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:26,519 had Bain ahead of him and Stewart was right behind him for me, so 1004 01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:29,159 I'm fine leaving him out. I feel like that this might be the concession 1005 01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:32,840 if you give me Desmond bayin let's do that. So then to recap the 1006 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:39,639 order, that means that going first overall in a total shock, we had 1007 01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:45,880 LaMelo Ball, followed by Tyrese Haliburton and Anthony Edwards Emmanuel Quickly at number four, 1008 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,480 Patrick Williams at number five, James Wiseman at number six, Saedip Bay 1009 01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:55,440 at seven, Devin Vassell at eight, Kyra Lewis Junior at nine, Denny 1010 01:07:55,519 --> 01:08:00,760 Oddva at ten, Jaden McDaniels at eleven, a Letsay Pakashevski at twelve, 1011 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:06,760 Desmond Being at thirteen, and Isaiah Stewart at fourteen. Yeah, I let's 1012 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,360 see what the listeners think. 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