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You're listening to the downbeat on ninety
seven more with the free I spent the

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whole break looking at Google images of
early flight attempts. You guys are right

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on bicycle with a shoddy wing on
both sides of it. How about you

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remember the like six wings? Yes, internal collapse yes. Well, speaking

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of the movie Air for the Middle, there was a dream sequence or a

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flashback sequence where Striker is remembering his
time over Macho Grande and it's like,

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you know, World War whatever,
two planes fighting, and it's kind of

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like what he is thinking back on, and then it just evolves into the

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birth of flight on times. That's
where I know most of these I think

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we all do. And then man
with kind of wings on jumping off a

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cliff and just straight down. Dudes
had balls though, you know what they

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must have really thought they were gonna
work. Yep. But imagine like the

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big gather around, gather around,
you know, today's the day, and

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some people of the village came to
look and watched his idiot shatter his collar

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bone. Is it a guy like
hot Rod or are these engineers and like

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well respected scientists, Because it would
be so much funnier if They're a well

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respected scientists and you get to see
him just bust their ass. Oh the

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collective amount of hubrists from their team. You figured it out this time,

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mates, nine o'clock a demonstration in
flight. Gather all, gather one other,

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all Christal Columbus Park. Be that
did the blimp come before this?

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Wouldn't the blimp and balloon make far
more sense than this? Yeah? I

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think the blimp did, right,
Okay, no idea. I love that

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we talked about that for the uh
all the like old guesses that the future

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would be blimps everywhere and the blimp
dock like at the Empire State Building?

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Was that real too? I think
would they almost build that? I might

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be completely wrong. I might be
thinking of a sky captain in the World

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of Tomorrow. It's a great movie, by the way, one of the

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first all CGI movies. I think
you were able to dock there for sure.

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Yeah, Like I think they you
could dock a blimp at the Empire

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State Building. So that was the
plan at least. Isn't that funny that

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we look back that's insane at the
advancement and technology of one hundred years ago

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and it's just flat out laughable,
and we think, you know, you

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see what we can do now with
AI and how just incredibly different it is.

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Well, we look back one hundred
years from now, yeah, and

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look at the technology of today and
just realize what primates we were, Like,

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do you think they will figure out
how to just zap you to a

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different place on Earth? And I
know that seems like, well, there's

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surely there's the cutoff, you know, like time travel and then that.

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But transportation, right, transportation where
you go to a port of some kind

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and you get zapped to Europe or
zapped anywhere in the world. Right,

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that's how they How does that even
work? Well I don't know, but

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how does any well, how did
it work in Star Trek Steve? Then

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they believe it was molecular repopulation,
where they're like, all right, we're

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going to break down your molecules and
then we're going to move them over to

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this other poor and then your molecules
have to be put back together. But

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man, I would sign up instantly. I don't want to get up in

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an airplane just scramble my molecules.
And all it takes is one error in

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molecule reassembly, and one is out
of order, and then you've got like

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a foot coming out of your forehead. You look like sloth from the Goonies.

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The back kill it fire, where's
the fire? Yeah, those are

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the first guys flying. They're going
to be rough. They're going to be

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rough. Yeah, reassembly is our
big issue. Yep. There's old Mikey

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foothead, no foothead, but he's
famous. He had balls and now his

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balls are on his ear for all
to see. But for real, like

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in a thousand years, you might
be like, wait, you guys used

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to go to an airport and wait
in line and board a big engine metal

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thing like that's I don't know,
it will yes, seem primitive for sure.

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It'd be like, that's such an
inefficient waste of time? How could

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you do that? You just wonder
where the ceiling is or if it even

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exists. You just stop. It's
like it can't get any better. Because

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I thought that about HDTVs twenty years
ago or however long ago it was when

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you know, we had that big
giant ass HDTV in the breakroom at Cumulus

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that was like eight thousand pounds that
Mark Cuban sent up there. And then

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somebody tried to steal one night,
right, I think it just disappeared and

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nobody knew where it went. Yeah, but anyway, I thought, oh

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my god, TV can never be
better. And then there's four K,

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and then there's eight K, and
it just keeps. I mean, how

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much more perfect can resolution be that
your human eye can even detect, you

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know, the clarity of something and
not adjust within like a week. Because

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that is what's frustrating, Like every
time you buy a new good one like

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this is the most incredible thing I've
ever seen, and then after a week

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it's commonplace. I'm like, eh, it's all right, Yeah, I've

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seen better porn. I think I'm
maxed out. I I don't even know

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what I have. My TV's five
or six, seven years old and it's

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amazing. Yeah, and I don't
even know what eight K is. I'm

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still rocking ten eighty dpi. Man, about seven twenty was awesome? Seven

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twenty isn't that? Though? How
they shoot it, like they don't shoot

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NFL games in eight K, I
don't know. I don't know how any

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of that works. I'm just like, exactly what you said. I'm like,

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it's perfect. I don't need anything
better. I certainly don't need to

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spend a bunch of money to get
ahead of anything unless we come up with

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transporting us. Yes, molecularly,
I want that. I would sign up

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for that. Yeah, I'd do
one of the first guys. I'd take

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the earballs. You take earballs,
earball. Steve pioneer it, so we

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learned. Steve loves Star Trek.
I watched the original way more than in

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any next generation. So let's see, I had to go back to the

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original series, so I've seen all
those. Yeah, have you done that

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recently? It was probably a decade
back. I think about the same for

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me, maybe a little less than
a decade, because I think it they

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all got acquired by it was either
Hulu or Netflix. Yeah, I think

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it was on Hulu or something and
you could watch them on I remember starting

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it from the beginning, and every
night before i'd go to bed back in

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the day, would knock out an
effing Star Trek of the original. Yes,

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incredible, and isn't there not many
didn't it two years? Yeah,

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it was not a bunch to get
through, maybe fifty episodes in two seasons.

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I believe it's weird. Yeah,
it's interesting to go back and just

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pick up reference points. You're like, oh, well, that's what everything

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I've watched for the last thirty five
years has been referencing, whether it's the

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muck time, fight scenes, or
just the types of music beds that are

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used, Like oh well, okay, yeah, that's why fight sequences are

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scored that way. And you talk
about, you know, technology advancing,

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and that was one of the first
big shows that was filmed in technicolor,

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you know, around that time where
that was becoming kind of the norm,

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or before it became the norm.
So their usage of their outfits and the

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and the backgrounds and colors that they
use, like it was it was like

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a production assistant threw up a box
of crayons on every every scene. Everything

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was so colorful because you wanted to
show off, well we've got color,

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so everything is going to be so
many different colors. Awesome. Speaking of

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different colors, wasn't that the first
interracial kiss in television history? Believe you're

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correct. I believe celebrate racial harmony
every morning here on the downbeat when Kirk

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frenched ohah, yeah, she was
a babe. Yeah she still is.

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Is that Zoe? What's her name? In the new ones, the Ohura

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and The New Ones with Chris Pine. You never watched any those Star Treks

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The New Ones? Donald? Yeah? Is that her? Is that her

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talking about her character from the show
I'm talking about from New Stars New Star

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Trek? Whoever Heura is? Is
that her name? You know? Let's

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just play the open for most important
thing in the world. It is Zoie

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sel Dondie. Here you go.
See I don't remember her name. Steve

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like Star Trek. What else is
Steve like? Let's find out about this

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dude next? Lay it once in
loop at Steve Man. The most most

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important thing in the whole dang world
today is our friend Steve. We were

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blessed on this station with a new
friend a few months ago, and it's

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a Steve Shackleford. He's been with
a Benskin show for how long now?

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About four months? Now? Four
months? It's going great. I need

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to figure out how to take vacation
days. That's one thing I need to

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figure out how to do. If
you've earned any technically, I don't know.

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That's the thing. There was no
paperwork given. We don't even know

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if you officially work here. I
don't think I do paycheck yet. Eventually

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that did show up, as one
of them has showed up for the bad

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months. But no, it's it's
going great. It was delightful driving in

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this morning with zero traffic. And
I hate to be traffic guy, but

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man, I've been a work from
home cat for years now, since before

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the pandemic. Traffic's are real beating
at eight am to nine am in the

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morning. And where are you driving
from? Alan, Texas? Allen Texas?

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You Skin's an Allen kid, right, He's a West Sider. He's

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on the the better off side where
the east side of the tracks. Kind

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of cats old school, Allen?
Did you grow up there? I did

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not. I grew up in Lake
Hhlands. Okay, yes, excuse me,

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died sorry ordered many of picassos years
ago. Danny Burner. I was

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a Lake Islands high school. I
live Said Islands. I don't know why

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I thought Richardson, so Lake You're
part of Richardson, Yes, church,

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and uh that's where you went to
school. You know what I'm maybe thinking?

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It is because I believe Lake Islands
and Bergner's Shriff Stadium still we do.

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And I have a hard time not
rubbing that in Ben and Skin's face

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every day because it is called Wildcat
Ram Stadium. Yeah, so Lake Island's

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high school. Completely different district.
Yeah, still Richardson Independent School District.

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It was very frustrated. It makes
no sense. It makes none because it

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is in the heart of Dallas.
It is we are not in Richardson city

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limits at all. Nowhere near each
other. No, maybe what five seven,

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ten miles from each other. Yeah, it's it seemed like forever.

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Yeah, to get to Berkner back
then, like, like I said,

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fifteen miles twenty minute drive. They
share a high school football stadium. That

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is strange, but it seems smart, right, Yeah, you're gonna build

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these monstrosities, why not share one. It is just weird in Texas for

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sure. Like I even looked it
up the other day as like, certainly

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they've built their own stadium at Berner
High School. It has been going on

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for years too, like this.
It goes way back, right, Oh

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yeah, as long as I've been
there, and it's a it's been in

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a place where fights have occurred.
I would imagine never in my time.

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I was not much of a fighter. But they ever play each other occasionally.

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I think they do in playoff games. The record books out for those

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monkey. Yeah, I want to
go Lake Island's kid. Did you and

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you grew up in Lake Islands?
I did? Yeah? What what neighborhood

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were you in over there? I
was right by the high school for most

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really the street you grew up on, fair Crest Drive, Fair Crest Drive.

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See that's my old pizza delivering stomping
grounds. There's a chance, a

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chance back in the day you were
born in what eighty eight, eighty eighty

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five, there's a real good chance
that I delivered a pizza and little snutnose

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Steve was the kid that the parents, Oh, this was a great move.

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Go pay the pizza man and you
get the money, and you give

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the kid the change, and the
kid supposed to let you keep the change,

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and he just turns around and walks
back to the living room. I'm

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like you, little pecker. Yeah, that was probably stiff tip Steve over

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there. Now. The fatal flaw
and Picasso system was that they at one

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point would say do you want us
to keep that card on file? And

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my voice dropped at a pretty young
age, so at about twelve, I

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was able to just order whatever I
wanted, and hey, card on file

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would be and They'll just send it
over there, chicken tenders, pizza,

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whatever you want. Me and my
friends would go nuts and parents at the

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end of the month to get their
discover bill Boy. Early voice drop is

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a treat. I had a late
one, and I nothing more soul crushing

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than being about twelve or thirteen and
the person on the phone is like,

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hang on, ma'am and you're like, ma'am ah, that's tough. Yeah.

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Malcolm's mom has the opposite. She
sounds like a little kid. She

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said that even when like you'd get
a whatever solicitor call, oh talking here

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to my phone, She's like,
uh, hello, Yes, is your

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mommy there. She's like, I'm
thirty three, I am, and I'm

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mommy, I am thirty three years
old. Yeah. But you guys both

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got the growth spurts. I had
like a best friend who was I was

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always taller than my entire life,
and I swear in tenth grade, I

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went out of town for a week
and that kid is now six foot three.

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His voice never really dropped. He
is now a six foot three individual.

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And you're like, man, come
on, come on, this is

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not fair. So I got the
voice Lake Island Steve, Yeah, and

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did you go to college? No, No, I mean I attended some

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courses. I am any colleges.
Yeah, I have Richland. You I

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need to know that I ever enrolled
at Richland, said, I was more

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Austin Community College. And then by
the time I came back to Dallas,

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I think I was just done with
formal education. What were you? Did

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you not have a real plan of
life and mind when you left high school?

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Or no? Actually quite the opposite. Yeah, we were at six

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fifty here, So no, you'll
hear me talk about how I didn't actually

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graduate from like Islands. I stopped
going to school at a certain point.

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And you also hear talk up here
occasionally that randomly came up that I had

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some songs and movies at like fifteen. So no, my plan was dictated

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by my folks, and they wanted
me to go into the music business.

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That's really that. Yes over education, yes, absolutely and abnormal for parents

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that my father was an investor in
publishing companies and that was a very lucrative

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business in the nineties. So the
Nashville country music scene where it's just hey,

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no, we've got songwriters in rooms
and they crank out like what you

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guys are talking about, Hey,
I got a guy who does lyrics,

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and I got another guy who can
put songs together. They could do five

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songs a day in here and we'll
we'll shop them to everyone and we'll make

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cash. So that was legitimately the
plan until you get kind of deep into

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it and you get around nineteen ninety
nine where I was, and the publishing

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rates just start dropping and diminishing as
CD sales start going away. So the

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industry started to thin right as I
was trying to get into it, and

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then I was just never very good
at the same time. So but you

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said you had songs in movies at
fifteen, Yeah, explain that. Yeah,

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that was negotiated by the publishing company. Yeah. Yeah, like you

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about scoring a film or like original
like a half minute pop songs that was

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just a pop song. Yeah.
So again, if you've got decent managers

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and you've got good publishers and sink
agreement people, you're like, hey,

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yeah, we can get your songs
and movies and stuff, and there was

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just original composition that you did.
Yeah. I was always very good at

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putting tunes together. I was not
a great lyricist early on, so people

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just hand me sheets of lyrics and
say, hey, kid, put a

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put a music to this and it
was good at and you recorded everything on

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your own or did you have to
go up to Nashville? So I rarely

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worked in Dallas. I worked out
of Nashville and Los Angeles and was taken

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there by my parents as a little
as a teenager. Yeah, about fifteen

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to eighteen is when I went in
heavy on it. Then there was kind

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of a fracturing where it's like,
I don't really want to do country music

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in Nashville anymore, and the business
is hurting, so you bail and go

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down to Austin and have some fun. Then you come back and try to

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do it and the business is really
crumbling. You then actually making like legitimate

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income from the sync deals that you
were rarely and up there. A lot

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of the deals were like, hey, we kick people three grand a month

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for quotas, and hey, you
just turn in your songs and if one

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of them pops, because they would
pretty much sell album tracks to like country

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artists, so hey they've got two
singles, they come here for the remaining

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ten tracks on their CD. Yeah, and hey, if one of them

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pops, you guys make some extra
cash and royalties. But no, we

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pay you three grand a month and
you turn in about twenty songs a month,

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okay, And so that was kind
of the income that those cats made.

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I never took a quota deal and
so yeah, I never really made

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it in that business. But that's
how my original plans shifted into just let's

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go see what's going on in the
music audio world and give it another go

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when when it comes back around.
Yeah, so your dad was an investor

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in this, yes, but did
he actually make music himself. No.

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He would tinker and lyrics occasionally,
but no, he was not a musician.

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So he figured early that you were
adept at this and good. Yeah.

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He had contacts who had made a
lot of money doing this and said,

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hey, you know what, kid, you're not really good at sports,

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like I was, yeah, exactly, Like yeah, sure, dads

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are always like what is this he's
going to be good at? And you're

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like, you're not really good at
this and your grades are bad, so

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why don't you try to do this
music thing that I've seen people make money

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at And you're like, I give
that a go. So no, that's

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why I Moore got pushed into that. I think it was a this seems

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like could be a good fit,
and I've seen people do okay in this

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industry, so you sort of casually
sitting it. Did you not graduate high

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school? I graduated from a charter
school. By the time I had hit

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seventeen, every member of my band
had quit that school and they were like,

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hey, we're gonna go to Nashville. We would rather you guys just

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be available when we need you and
just work on this stuff. So no,

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technically you still graduated. I just
did not hang through at Lake Highlands

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because it was five days a week, eight hours a day, you know,

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and charter schools three hours a day, and it's Taste Austin Community College,

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and I assume that's an awesome Yeah, move down there instead of Nashville,

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And I imagine that was still chasing
the music dream. That was more

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to have fun. I did not
enjoy being worked a ton from fourteen to

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about eighteen there where it was just
right, right right, churn, churn,

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churn, So then I just kind
of eh, I'm done with this,

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and you go play in dumb little
bands and just have fun, and

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then after a couple of years you're
like, well, probably not much of

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a play down here, was that, Austin. Was that the time that

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you fell in love with smash Mouth? Yes? Absolutely, I love them

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to pieces. My Steve Harwell,
I remember his name, poor Harwell.

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No, he was great and then
came back to Dallas, made another run

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at it. But you know,
just one very good. When did you

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decide, you know what, I
need to start subsidizing my life with something

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outside of the industry. Uh well, it always worked a joke jobs so

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that you could keep it going.
But then the moment Mikey and I are

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doing right now, yeah, welcome
the minute someone says, hey, there's

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a pregnancy too here, You're like, oh, all right, well then

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we're probably gonna need to get serious
about earning more money. So yeah,

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the hey, family planning is what
led me into music. Probably not gonna

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work anymore for me. Yeah,
And so I just put to support you

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know, kids and a wife and
all that. Correct for sure, for

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sure. So hung it up for
a decade and then you know, got

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back into it and little pieces here
and there. Yeah, and a lot

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of it was but you know,
I guess probably participating with the ben and

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Skin doing stuff for them. That
was that just kind of just for goofing

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off for fun. Yeah, that
was just a weird muse kind of thing.

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We're just like, ah, this
would be fun to send one of

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these things in and just kind of
make it a joke. And then next

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thing you know, Ben's calling you
at home, Hey, can you get

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this thing for me in like thirty
minutes? Yeah? Sure, man,

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Oh it's been for the radio.
Yes, of course I can't. And

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then a year goes by, another
year, Yes, they've been great.

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That's a throwing my call. Yeah, so how did that? What?

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You just were a listener and stumbled
on a bend and Skin ten years ago?

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Is that how? Yeah? I
stumbled onto him Honestly. When Kat

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joined the show, they came over
to a station and I kind of grew

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to love the format of what they
were doing there at that station, and

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I hung with them when they left
there and came over to the former station

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here Eagle whatever. And then yeah, I had reached out to Skin about

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Eastwood music stuff because I was trying
to get back into music in any capacity

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and I'd been working in corporate jobs. I was like, all right,

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this guy's got great taste and he's
doing this label thing. Hey, if

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I can help him get organized,
I'm chained to my computer all day anyway,

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Hey man, you need some help, send an emails. I'd like

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to learn more about the publishing biz. Let me know, maybe we can

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work together. And he and I
kind of formed a little partnership there when

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it's like, yeah, just throw
me your junk work that you don't want

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to do, and I'll help you
out with it. And then that kind

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of coincided with yeah, i'll send
in a tune here and not tell you

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it's me. And then it took
them a few months to figure out that

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it was me sending them tuned,
So it was me kind of screwing with

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them the same time that I was
working with them. So it's a fun

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gag. Look at us now and
look at us now hosting, and then

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I got to do KT's pod and
TV show and a bunch of that stuff,

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and then the weekend thing with KT
here, and then it's like screw

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it, yeah exact. So he's
just a ton of fun to work with.

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I love his sensibility. So that's
nut and we love it. Yeah,

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so when did you become a huge
fan of mine? Actually, thank

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you so much. We like to
go to break before things get boring.

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Anyway, that's uh, strip mall
Steve and here with us for three.

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I know, fascinating dude. He's
a funny dude, and I've heard a

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lot of whispers and talk about your
past and all that. I want to

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learn a lot more. And we're
happy to have you at the station here

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and certainly happy to have you with
us this morning. But that's probably still

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tip of the iceberg, right.
Plenty more to get to know about Steve

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over the next few years. I'd
imagine all right, Sports at seven coming

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up next? How about this a
new statue out in front of the American

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Airlines Center. Who's that going to
be? That's next? On ninety seven,

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won the Free