Hello and a welcome to side Quest, our weekly video game show here at
geek Versus. I'm your host, Till Must and I have with me Taylor
Field today, the nicknameless Taylor Field. How's it going on with my friend?
It's good, I forgot a nickname, you know. End of a
long weekend and it's just where the time go. But I'm happy to be
here. Yeah, No, definitely, I this is a I'm excited for
this episode. We have a lot of spicy topics and have a fun couple
of little things to do to start here too. But yeah, we're gonna
be breaking down that Xbox podcast with their their future business plans as well as
there's even some some Sony info out there too. So really just a future
of Xbox and PlayStation. A lot of is up in the air or things
are changing. Things are good, things are bad. It's a lot going
on for both sides of that, you know, quote unquote Console War.
So definitely a fun episode looking forward to in terms of the show outs,
not a whole lot tonight, you know. Make sure to join the Patron
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think there's much new in terms of side quest going up early these days,
really just the weekly stuff. But soon there's probably gonna be a couple episodes,
maybe an X Men episode, I'll tease that here. But yeah,
everything else that we're doing all sorts of retros right now. We're recording Halo
on a weekly basis, a review of the TV show of course season two,
so join us for that during the discord as well. We're always talking
in there about games and whatnot. But yeah, that's pretty much it for
the show. Outs Taylor, there's been a couple updates on the video game
draft, a couple of new games have come out recently, and so far,
it's funny, this is like it's a two horse race me and Kirkland.
Is still nothing on the board yet. We're still waiting in the wings
here, but you and Travis have like both your games so far have come
out within like a few days of each other on two separate occasions, which
is funny. So we talked about like the techan and ya Yakuza games that
came out in January. You guys had very similar scores there, but you
will have another game. Now you have Mario Versus Donkey Kong, that remake
which came out. I didn't write down the exact number, but it's like
seventy something or rather. And then Travis had Helldivers two come out, which
was a little bit higher, but I think your tech and was higher.
His infinite wealth was higher, so it equals out that he's at one sixty
nine right now and you're at one sixty six. So between your two games
right now, you guys are so closed, so neck and neck, which
is pretty exciting. So I don't know, it's fun to see. I
like this little battle between you two that's going on. But soon Final Fantasy
remake is gonna be coming out, so I'll be on the board. And
then I don't know what Kirkland's first thing that's coming out is, but soon
enough we should have a bunch of bunch of things filling in this chart.
But it's fun to keep an eye on that as the year goes on.
M hmm, absolutely yeah. And then last week's upisode we did a Skull
and Bones impressions of the beta. That game's officially out now in the wild,
out in the world. I don't know if you looked, but what
do you think the Metacritic landed on? Oh? I did look, and
oh, I mean that at one hundred. I think it's kind of like
the halfway mark around around there, isn't it. When I looked, to
Day was at sixty four, okay, and that's like the collective's score from
the different platforms there. So yeah, definitely, you know, well above
that fifty, but still clearly in the yellow I guess is a safe way
to put it there. So I don't know. I'm sure they wanted it
to be a lot higher for this game that's been in development for a million
years. But I think go back and listen to some of our complaints with
the game. I don't know. I haven't listened to a whole lot of
reviews or people's impressions on the games. I'm like, I don't know what.
People I follow on podcasts and stuff don't really seem to be playing it.
Maybe they are just going to check it out in the next couple days
here, I'm not too sure. But anyway, yeah, I go back
and check out our episode from last week, and then Taylor, I have
a little surprise litt quiz for you here. So the last week in Marvel
Snap, they've been doing a Halloween or Not Halloween of Valentine's Day event where
they gave a bunch of icon Marvel couples like bonuses that worked with each other.
So if you play one person of this couple, the other one would
get plus two power whatever it is, the other one would get that bonus
as well, which was super fun. It's been a really fun week to
play the game because that just opens up so much more deck building options,
and it makes these combos of characters that are fun canon combos, but they
don't necessarily combo with each other in the game, work together, and so
I've just had a ton of fun playing it, and I wanted to quiz
you if you're able to pick what you think some of these iconic Marvel couples
are, because they a lot of them are like MCU kind of iconic ones.
A couple of them are maybe more low key or not necessarily MCU stuff.
But just just gonna quiz your Marvel knowledge here that I have. I
think it's ten pairs, So I want to see how many of these you
can get. You just rifle them all. I'm gonna I'm gonna write down
on my little notepad here. So we got Wanda and Vision. That's one
of them. Nice job. Yeah, and they're MCU based. They're they're
not all MCU based, but they're i'd say like half of the half of
these are MCU characters or like MCU couples, even that we've seen or even
hinted at, about half of them, I would say, But then other
ones. There's really only one coupley here that there's no chance in hell you
would get because like I had new characters, even if we get Trives here,
there's he would if we gave him seven hours, he wouldn't get this
couple. That's how obscure the characters are. But I think the rest you
you should be able to get to. But you know, it might be
hard to just recall all these character names. I'll say, read Richard's and
Storm that's another one. Good. Sure hasn't happened yet, but we'll get
it soon. In the MCU, I'm sure what about Black Panther and Storm?
Okay, I'll give you a hint. Black Panther has one, but
not Storm. Think about more more of an MCU version that we say oh
what is his lady's name? And Black Panther, I might have to pull
uh good lord Knakia in Black Panther. That's the one. Yeah, okay,
you got that one. Nice job. Oh you need some pants,
let me know. But I think you can get a few more here.
M hmmm. It's it's tricky because I'm just wondering, like how far,
Like what is the extent of some of these other characters they would put in
there? Other couples we got, I mean, what is there is there
Michelle Jones MJ in there? No MJ. Spider's in there, but there's
a Spider related one, not m c U, but there's a Spider related
one, like Black Cat and Peter Partner. No, not Black Cat.
Ah, think think Sony Verse, Sony Verse, like Madame Webb. There's
no Madame Web characters in the game yet. Actually, this couple technicals this
is a hint for the Sony Verse one. This couple maybe not official on
screen yet, but they're they're definitely canoodling, but maybe not an official You
wouldn't say they're in a relationship yet. That's Oh like a venom and and
Lady Venom. No, you're you're thinking think about other sony, other sony
not Oh, what's Morebius's lady's name. I'm not think animated, think animated
animated? Oh, Miles Morales? Yeah, and oh yeah, Spider Guad.
There's another one. Okay, there's a couple from the Key Avengers.
Who do you got from the Key Avengers? Bruce Banner and Scartche and Hanson
Black. Really you think that's an iconic Marvel couple because they were they were
definitely in kahoots or they were they were in a relationship, right, Kahoot's
interesting word choice. That's not one of them, though maybe. I'm sure
there's a comic book run where they were full on. I mean, there's
definitely jokes about it, but I don't know if they were ever official in
MC Hawkeye's wife is definitely not in the game. No, that's that would
be a deep cut. Someday. I'm sure she'll be in there. But
it's MC related. Peggy Carter Captain America. This one might be a bit
trigger. So Captain America has one that's not Peggy. Can you think of
another character that I don't it's his niece or yeah, you got it?
Agent thirteen, Agent thirteen, So that's kind of a deep put. Captain
Carter's not in the game, so I'm sure they would have picked that if
she was. But she's not in the game MC like the ethnic kiss,
right at some point they do. Yeah, yeah, So I mean that's
five. You said there's ten. At least there's still five more here.
Well, like I said, one of these duels you'll never get in a
thousand years. Another avenger, another key avenger here, another key adventure.
Okay, so iron Man Potts, Yes, you got it. Pep Rescue
is a rescue, I mean rescues in there. Yeah, not technically,
it doesn't say Pepper Potts, but the blue blue iron man looking thing.
Okay, give me another hint. One of these is very recent, the
most recent phase. Maybe not a couple, maybe not like a established couple,
but they definitely hooked up doctor Strange and oh what is her name?
It's not it's not doctor Strange, but it's not Gonna Strange. Okay,
yeah, what Christine? Right? Yeah, I don't I will, well,
Christine. So I was thinking of the other the other one, the
post credit lady, Yeah, post credit on that one. It wasn't quite
a one night stand. They definitely Uh, oh, star Lord and Gomora.
That's one of them. Yeah, that's not what I was hinting at,
but that's one of them. And uh, I'm trying to think of
like a hint I can give without just giving it away distinctly. Not a
one night stand, No, because I think I think they hooked up a
couple of times. It's from a TV show, TV show from MCU Disney
Plus show Loki and Sylvie, not Loki. Okay, what else have we
got for shows? We got Secret Invasion because I don't think there's any relationships
really going on there. Marvel's Marvel. I don't think there's any relationship going
on there. Yeah, Echo, nothing there. Another show, Oh,
She Hawk and Daredevil, which was very fun combo and they actually worked really
well together. I use that combo a lot, and they were really fun
for this last week. And then this last one is from a TV show
that we recently did a retrospective of a TV show We did a retro so
it has to be X Men animated series. Who do you think Cyclops and
Gene Nope, they're both in the game. That's kind of weird that they
didn't get one. Actually, interesting. Cyclops is already very powerful movie.
Don't tell me it's Xavier and the like the alien. Yeah, well,
she's not in there. She's not in there yet, Okay someday. How
close is this? Like is it like main X Men crew? You?
You know this? You know this has been on and on again, off
again. A lot of drama between these two. Oh, Rogue and Gambit,
Brogu and Gambit. There you go. And then the last one was
Sarah and Angela, two characters that I'm certain you don't know. I don't
even know which part of the verse. I don't know. If I think
angel might be like an X Men related thing, I have no idea.
So you did pretty good there, you did pretty good. Thank you.
That was good. But yeah, that was a really fun event. I
hope they do more of that kind of stuff because that's always been a thing
with that game. It's a bit weird. It's like none of the X
Men, maybe a couple of them have like synergies together, so you can
make a deck of like all X Men, but it's not really gonna be
a very strong deck. You know, you might have fun with it,
but it's not necessarily gonna They're not gonna like combo off each other in interesting
ways, you know, And so that's why it's fun to have these these
iconic combos. And they were like really overpowered, but I think they they
kind of admitted that too. They're like, you know, this next week's
gonna be Inbounced, but we don't even care. But somehow, I didn't
even see a lot of people using these cards or these combos. But me
and I know Clay over in our discord, we're having a lot of fun
playing with me or No, it was just for a week, like I
think it ends probably tomorrow. So I'm a little sad actually because that,
yeah, that Daredevil she Al combo was really strong, So I'm gonna miss
I'm gonna miss playing that particular deck. But there you go, Taylor.
Was there any other games you've been playing recently you want to show out or
do you want to get into some of this Xbox stuff? I'd shut out
Mario Wonder again. Me and Madison, we're playing a little bit more of
that, trying to trying to just finish that off and roll credits on it.
But yeah, some of the levels are just getting a lot more intense
and Madison's definitely not not as proficient as I am. Is she rocking the
Yoshi or is she? Uh, I'm standing to be like, no,
I'm gonna play as the harder characters. She's she's jumped over from being being
a Yoshi to playing as this Peach, which is just kind of fun.
So I appreciate it because I just remember just when you're moving and you accidentally
lay on top of Yoshi and it automatically triggers that mounting effect and it's just
so annoying. So many deaths that have happened because of that. So that's
fair enough. Yeah, what world are you in right now? Oh gosh,
we have two left. We just completed the last three. You can
do in like any order, I think, right, I think so?
Yeah, yeah, so we just completed the No Water Desert Land right yeah,
yeah, okay, cool? Yeah, that's uh, that's awesome.
I love that game. It was a really good time. Yeah, I
think for me, nothing really new, Like I was talking to you about
toem last week, I think, and I beat the game, but then
they I guess they added like a post release like not, it's not like
a paid dealc. They just added like a New Island essentially afterwards at some
point, so I still have more to do there, but that game was
such a joy from starting to finish, really really enjoyed it, and still
just working through Balder's Gate. I'm in Act three now officially, but I'm
taking my time with it. When I'm finally like at the City of Balders
Get, I'm at the gate. I haven't actually gone in the city yet,
but it's taken me so long just to get to the freaking titular city.
So that's that's pretty sweet. And then, oh, it was fun
because you were talking about Call of du last week and the whatever the maps
called it they brought back and it was a nice to finally get a win
on it with the yeah with you and Travis Denley last night two nights ago,
when was that last night? Whenever? That was was, yeah last
night. A lot of second places and then oh my god, we've probably
gotten at least fifteen second places on that map. It's insane. But finally
got the w which was pretty fun. So that's been good as well.
Yeah, let's let's talk about this Xbox News. So this has been a
real saga of course, where there has been all sorts of rumors for the
last few weeks of these Xbox games are going to other platforms, and then
I feel like people were getting pretty doom and gloom about it, of like
Xbox and we're gonna make another console, They're gonna just only be a publisher.
Every game star Field Indiana Jones after three months is going over to PlayStation
and Xbox was like freaking out at this and Phil Spencer out of tweet.
But they finally kind of responded to these all these rumors in the form of
a podcast that was like twenty five minutes long ish, and you know,
I think it seems like the general consensus of the podcast was like that was
pretty unexciting and uninteresting and there really wasn't much in there, and so there's
like two sides where it's like one. I think it was smart that they
branded it as like this podcast thing instead of like a showcase or I don't
know, some big event where they're trying to make it seem like some hype
thing. Was more just like, hey, we got hit on the back
foot. All these rooms are coming out and we just have to like squash
them. But then like we can't squash all of them, because some of
it is correct, and I think they really wanted it to make sure it
was their wording and not just like a tweet that goes out there and misinterpreted.
So and now why I think it was wise what they did. But
when you watch it and it's like whether an Xbox fan or a PlayStation or
whoever, it's just like a whole lot of nothing. And so there is
some things that we're going to dig into here, and we can really read
into it here because the way I see it is like every word that they
said in this in this podcast was like combed through by like seventeen pr people,
you know, like everything was like laser precise. And so I think
because of that, the things that they did say we can take and really
try and riff on it and see like really what they mean here in the
greater scheme of things. But they also kind of held back, like they
told us, yeah, four games are coming to other platforms, but we're
not gonna tell you which ones, but we're gonna hint at it. And
there's gonna be more rumors because we didn't confirm it, which is like just
confirm it, please. So I don't know did you have any like overall
takes on the podcast or or I don't know, is your opinion different from
mine in that way? In any way, Well, I'm not a big
fan of having a podcast kind of talk about this kind of thing, like
them putting out this kind of information through a podcast, But I understand,
like I like seeing the shows the Xbox does plantations and everything like that.
But I understand that their hand was forced because rumors were going rampant. Everyone's
talking on the discord about this and like the titles that are gonna be coming
to Sony consoles and all that kind of stuff and thinking, man, this
is crazy. And I'm glad that there is the clarification to a slight degree.
I mean, we'll get into it more, but it's the people I
think are still uncertain with how things are. I think we've got a couple
answers. But it really it was really nothing. It didn't really clear the
air much. It's just kind of left things kind of ambiguous. I guess
you could say, yeah, yeah, let's get into it then, so
we're gonna go through this and kind of the order that they went through it.
So they confirmed they have four games and just four games for now,
but they they were trying to be very clear. I feel like about like,
hey, if you're on other platforms and these are not one of the
four games that you want, like, don't wait up for it, because
we're just doing this as like a test I guess a test run essentially.
Or they feel like they're gonna get some additional value out of this. So
they said that it's gonna be four games, two community driven games and two
smaller games. They said, it's like probably these are probably new IP sort
of games, games that are more than a year old, and they feel
like games that have quote unquote peaked on XBO, like they're still gonna sell
and have their communities there for sure, but they feel like they've already gotten
let's say ninety five percent of the value off that platform, and so they
want to move it over to other platforms as well to get that second run
of potential success over there as well. So one thing that also said to
me when I was going through this, and I was trying to just look
at what are the potential games that they could be talking about here, and
I was looking at Minecraft Legends, and I kind of forgot that that was
like under Xbox's Umbrella first party game, but they did launch that on all
platforms. That was on PlayStation, can't remember. I think it's on Switch
as well. So it's interesting that like this whole scuttle bud's going on,
and like they kind of did this already last year with another game, and
we didn't really talk about it that much. Now. Maybe it's because it's
Minecraft, which is a huge ip and it's been established on these other platforms,
so it's maybe a slight difference in some of these other first party exclusives,
but I guess it's not technically new. And then we obviously had other
cases where they acquired Bethesda, and then there's other games that were already on
PlayStation exclusively, so there's already been some some stuff in the air there.
But the rumors that have surfaced kind of after this have been that those four
games are gonna be see if Thieves, Grounded, High Fi, Rush,
and Pentiment. Just to get your your first thoughts on this, Like,
as a primary Xbox user, someone who hasn't really had so many console in
a while. You have your Switch, of course, but you're like all
about that Xbox. You're probably gonna get whatever the next generation is, no
matter what, Like, are you bothered by this at all? That these
games that are exclusive to your preferred platform or going elsewhere. I'd love to
be a fly on the wall and see what kind of meetings and discussions that
they're having in these meetings consist of. But as a consumer and a supporter
of Microsoft and Xbox, it does bother me. But I at the same
time, I think that's my own biasedness that's been pre established throughout two console
wars. Does it bother you because you because of the pride element of like
you want Xbox to have exclusive titles that to mean something. That's the reason.
Absolutely, that is definitely a factor in it, and it shouldn't be.
At its core, it really shouldn't be. You should just pick a
console that you like and just play games on that console that you enjoy.
And of course there are exclusivity scenarios and I can't play all the games that
I would like to play, and that definitely fuels that kind of sense like,
well, yeah, well Xbox should be better than Xbox should put out
their own exclusives and stuff like that. But ultimately, if we were to
get some some more titles shared on Xbox, then that's cool, but that's
not the case here. The case is, Okay, we're getting Xbox titles
that are being shared on other consoles. So to me that feels like it
does it does kind of sting a little bit more as a as a fan,
I would I would want them to be building up that relationship and bringing
in these titles to Xbox more like those other like Sony titles and whatnot,
then then sharing their share the load kind of thing. But it's so it
does bother me on that regard, and yeah, like yeah, yeah,
fair enough. Yeah. I mean for me, I guess I feel less
connected even though I love my series X and that's my main console right now
for new games and I and whatnot, Like it doesn't really bother me at
all. I like, I more games for more people is a good thing.
And I think there's a very specific type of game that they're I mean,
they haven't announced with the games are right, so we're reading into it
to an extent. But just even what they've said of like it being new
new IP like new franchises, to me, that's like kind of confirming,
Okay, it's not gonna be Halo Infinite, which they could be talking about
as a community driven game, not gonna be like a four of Horizon five,
not like a Gears of War. And so I feel like those big
games that you really think of as Xbox games and games that would be considered
like console sellers, in my mind, like, it doesn't seem like those
are gonna be the ones that are gonna be moving over to platforms, even
if there is some value to having that. Of course, they're already on
PC, but I mean switch can't run those games anyway, and it doesn't
seem like they I think it's important for the Xbox brand to some extent to
keep some exclusives obviously, but I think there it's okay to get rid of,
not get rid of, but also share share the load of some of
those games with other communities as well. And so I don't know, like
when you saw those that lit or not that list, but just those four
games, like, were they're other ones that came to your mind, because
honestly, when I was going through the list, I'm like, there's not
a lot of Series X exclusives that have come out, and even when you
go back to Xbox one Erarow they're always in a ton of stuff. So
like, I kind of feel like that rumor of those four games, see
if these grounded High Fi Rush, Pentiment, Like, I don't know what
else it could be unless it is like a Halo or a four Za,
but I don't. I don't think it's gonna be those things. Plus they
kind of said, yeah, it's not gonna be like things from existing franchise,
it's gonna be new games. So they could be you know, weaseling
it with the wording, But if I'm to believe it's those four games,
I don't. I don't see that as a big deal for them to get
rid of it and yet get the value from it. But then there's also
ones like Pentiment for example, like how much value are they're really gonna get
from putting that on other platforms, Like maybe it's gonna sell a wild on
switch and PlayStation, I suppose, But Pentiment was the one that really stood
out to me as being like, I don't I don't really see the purpose
of bringing that game over to other platforms, not that you know, it's
not like a console seller right in the way I think of what console sellers
are. So I don't know if it's like, oh, they need to
keep it only on Xbox so people will come to that console for it.
But that was the one to me that seemed like a weird inclusion if it
is in fact the case. But yeah, sorry, I know I said
like a million things there. But do you think there could be other games
in the mix that we haven't considered here? I would say that it's it's
it's possibility. It's so hard for me to actually keep track of what other
titles are or Xbox exclusive as size from your Gears of War, your Halo
and yeah not I mean maybe Microsoft Flight Simulator. That's something that there they
want to get out there. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how
a switch would handle that game. That would blow my mind. Would you
consider that to be a community driven game? Because they said, like two
of these games are community driven. I think see if Thieves is like,
I'm happy to put ninety nine percent chance on that happening. I think that
one's absolutely happening. The other community driven one, I guess would be grounded,
which makes sense. I don't really think of it. I mean,
it's a co op game, so I guess that's what they mean there.
But uh so, I guess, I guess I don't know the flights.
It could be in that ball camp. I don't bought that ball game.
I don't know. It's it's been a good minute since I've played the flight
simulator, and I want to say that there's I know that there's definitely a
following and a community for it, and I believe that it's kind of like
an online flying with your friends kind of a type deal as well. Don't
quote me on that. I don't think there's like officially co op, but
I feel like it's one of those games that I don't know, you play
with your friends still somehow, I don't know. Ye Like, to me,
it seems like there's a community aspect of the game, and like Pentiment
doesn't really have. Yeah, so yeah, Pensman is a very interesting one
for that. I think it's just trying to think of other other titles that
could be in there. So yeah, I mean Grounded see a Thieves,
because like they even talked about how like, Okay, these are games we
want to put on other platforms to help them grow, and you know,
there's multiple ideas there, like okay, get people to love these games,
and they will want to come to Xbox to experience more of games like that,
but also like test the waters on these games, see the popularity,
and maybe explore sequels or or follow up content from those franchises and so like
see if Thieves grounded once again. Community games are getting continual updates. That
makes sense. High Fi Rush, I think that's game seems to me like
one hundred percent chance is going to get a se quote this point, High
Fi Rush two is coming out in two years, you know you quote me
on that. I'm happy to like throw that down. Pentiment though, like
I don't know, is like maybe there's just wing of Obsidian's going to keep
making these Pentiment games or Pentiment likes or other similar games to it. So
I don't know that that seems like a bit like it maybe doesn't fit in
the mold there. So if that one doesn't end up being it, I
think I would be not as shocked. Whereas Hi Fi Rush, I feel
like that's a game that is going to sell really well on other platforms.
I think on Switch that game is gonna be huge. I think on PlayStation
is gonna be huge as well. So I think Hi Fi Rush is a
really smart idea, and that one makes sense for me and the value proposition
of it. The other angle to this if we look at it, and
I know I'm going all over the place here, so I apologize for that.
But Grounded and Pentiment like both Obsidian titles, right, and so maybe
there's maybe that's just something Obsidian really wants from their games, is they want
to reach more players. They want to reach out and bring these games elsewhere.
So maybe that's an angle to it as well that we need to consider
in this in this equation. Yeah, and I don't know what the communities
are like still for Grounded and see a Thieves in this day and age.
I mean, I think see if Thieves is still freaking massive, it is
like it's tons of new content. Grounded. I don't know how big that
community is, but I know as of November they launched like community made maps
was a big, huge future, so people like could customize backyards and whole
levels and areas. And I had a lot of fun going down and going
through that downloading levels and stuff. So that I'm sure put a big resurgence
into the game. And it like it must like it had has got multiple
updates, so it must still and it was like it had the years of
early access before its official launch launched, So I don't know, it must
be like doing pretty well, and I guess they want to put that out
to other platforms, uh, to keep that growing as well. So I'm
into that. Like Grounded was my game of the Year in twenty twenty two,
so it getting years of more content I'm totally happy with. I don't
think it's a game that needs a sequel. I think you just could build
off it, make new areas, allow the players to make big new areas
as well, so that one it makes sense to me as well. It
concerns me because I've seen in the past st where let's say you have a
game that's releasing on all consoles, but each console gets different DLC and whatnot.
I think we ran into this with Hotwarts Legacy, where we because you
had it on Xbox, so we had the Prisoner of Esque, but we
had an Askaban mission. Was that all just because of our house choice?
I think that there wasn but that was like exclusive to PlayStation. There was
like that Haunted House. You're right, okay, well that's that that works
as an example then, because yeah, you have extra missions based on what
console you're playing on, and I think that's that's neat, But at the
same time, I don't think that's very fair. So if they dish out
Grounded CEA Thieves and Pensman High Fi Rush to PlayStation Switch, they're like,
okay, and on Switch you're gonna get like a whole bunch of new stuff
that you know you can't play on Xbox. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think that would be really really on a rude and like a shot towards
the current fan base, the community that's already been supporting those games. And
I wouldn't put it out of the question that they could be doing something like
that. Hmm. Yeah, that's always something I've wondered if they do bring
games over is just you know this, the value proposition is still there on
Xbox because of game Pass. That's a huge thing. That's like, you're
just gonna be a better place to play that game because you don't have to
as long as you describe that service, you don't actually have to buy the
game. Then you get discounts on stuff, you get DLC and whatnot cheaper
because of that too. So all that makes sense, But I guess the
actual content is not something they want to make exclusive, which I think is
a good move. I agree with you there that it just feels bad as
a player, like especially like Avengers had that too, right, like Spider
Man exclusive character to PlayStation. Obviously that game needed all the help it could
get, but that is a huge hit for players on other platforms that and
you didn't get anything in return. It's not like, okay, well PlayStation
gets Spider Man, but you get Doctor Strange over there on Xbox you get
nothing. You don't get that character, then there's no good reason for it
as a consumer. So that kind of thing sucks. So yeah, I
hope I I hope that's not part of the plan here. I hope it's
more just like, hey, if you like this game, if you want
to get the sequel, why not come over to Xbox. You can get
on game Pass, you don't have to pay for the game. And I
hope that's the way to get people in the door, rather than like making
the PlayStation version really buggy and like go over to Xbox play a better version
or have the more content. I guess I should mention this too, that
they clarified that the four games of the four games that are coming over.
They're not Starfield and not Indiana Jones Indian Junges bakes sense. They they haven't
really talked about how future games are gonna work. They hinted at it,
but not really and then so they mentioned it's not Starfield, which I think
is a big deal. Even if that game has kind of fallen in public
favor since its release, still is a really big success. Still, it's
a Bethesda, you know, first person open world exploration game, So I
think that's a good one to not get rid of. We could also consider,
like red Fall could be in that wheel. They said it's like all
games that have been out for more than a year, red Fall has not
lot. So I don't think they're talking about red Fall here, And I
also don't think I think that game is just so was received so poorly that
they don't want to have a second win of it. In the conversation by
putting other platforms. It is a community driven one. I think it would
probably be good for the game in terms of having more players, but I
don't think they're gonna do it. I think they're just gonna release the two
DLC characters they promised and then never talk about that game again or then never
do another red Fall like that. I think that's I think that's pretty safe
to save for red Fall. The other thing I was thinking is like what
about Stave of DeKay. That's kind of like a community like co Opy sort
of game, right that third one, I don't know where the hell it
is, but like Saved K two, I mean, not a serious X
game, but they didn't really specify any of these other series X games.
A lot of these things are cross platform anyway, So to me that seems
like, Okay, it could be a potential. But then once again,
that's a sequel, and so they established franchise, which maybe they hinted at
weren't gonna be the games that were coming over. Plus that's kind of an
older game, Like I think the idea is they want to do this for
newer ish games that are still going to give them pretty good value by like
I said, like Higher, she's gonna sell so many copies when you bring
over to these other platforms. But yeah, is there other games that could
be I think we've kind of covered like what yeah, Like I mean like
Overdrive, but like I don't I don't see Insomnia come back to like make
this Xbox am on other platforms now their PlayStation. Yeah, I mean Sunset
Overdrive really old games at that point, I just I don't know, Yeah,
it's it's tricky. I just it, Uh, it's just one of
those movies that Xbox is doing that. I mean, as a fan of
Xbox, I want I don't feel like it's gonna It's not gonna better my
experience as a console owner. It betters other people. And well that's great
more as you said, more games, more people, and and more accessibility,
which is wonderful by all means. But at the same time, I'm
I'm still waiting to see new like some of my favorite ips get release dates,
new announcements, even for for on Xbox, and that's that's still up
in the air, not happening, and you just see them kind of catering
to turning an Xbox into more like a family a family box than really making
it a gaming machine. Yeah, and no, I mean, I mean
I think there's a vbildity to that. Like for developers, I think it's
you know, far easier to make your game for in this case two platforms,
PC and Xbox. You don't have to worry about other versions that comes
with all sorts of design challenges and whatnot. And then you're talking about all
these updates that you got to do DLC and so that's maybe not something that
we would necessarily notice as consumers, but still like, yeah, it's development
is going to take longer on games if you have to develop for more platforms,
or the games are going to come out in the same amount of time,
but they're gonna be way buggier because they didn't spend as much time with
each version of the game. So I think in that sense, like as
an Xbox GAMEE, I can see where there's some disappointment there, like yeah,
I mean maybe my games will take longer, And it's like, yeah,
I don't get any value out of this than the continued well being of
Xbox as a company, But like they have so much money, like it's
not like you're gonna be an issue there. But then if you're a huge
fan of Sea of Thieves, like maybe this coming to out the consoles gives
them the kind of capital to keep working on the game for another ten years
and if you're a c Thief f and that's great, and maybe they wouldn't
have been able to do that without doing this play there's out of the coin.
Is that the next game from the Sea Thieves developer from Rare ever wild
Right, which we heard about like forever ago, we haven't gotten an update
on ever, Like, is that game even still in development or are they
just all in on CEA Thieves and maybe they even halted development on that to
like, oh, yeah, let's get this port going over to other platforms
and make sure all that works. Like, I can see that side of
the argument too, But I think selfishly personally, as a ground event,
I think this is probably great. I want more people to play this game
because it's amazing and very underrated, and yeah, that'll just probably put more
money in obsidians pocket to keep pumping out updates for it, or higher chance
of Grounded two happening. So definitely pros and cons no matter which way you
slice it. But I can definitely, uh, I can see your point
of view for sure. Question, do you think any of this was a
pivot since all the rumors in terms of like maybe Starfield was in their plans
or Indiana Jones was in their plans, but then they saw how the Internet
responded to these things and decided, Eh, we're gonna put the halt on
that and so go ahead with these four games that we've had an active development
for other platforms, but we're gonna cancel on like some of these other things.
There's any chance of that. I mean, I'm sure a lot of
these things take a really long time to make these decisions. But it's not
like they just did a knee jerk video the day these rumors came out,
Like they did take a couple of weeks to carefully orchestrate a podcast, right,
So like that's well edited and had all these specific questions from one of
their employees, you know, like it's it's very clear that they took their
time there. So do you think there was any pivot that happened in between
the rumors and the announcement. I'd want to say there could be, But
if we look at Xbox's history, this kind of thing has happened before,
where they're it's like, oh, your Xbox one needs to have an Internet
connection at all times to play games, and what happened that was a big
of it. So I think that there's a there's a there's a very likely
chance. But at the same time, I also think that Xbox is in
a situation where, I mean not just Xbox, every company money speaks.
And if they're looking at a chart and they can see how much money they
would make by putting some of these other titles and make them available, like
I need a Jones Starfield whatnot, I think that that would that would force
their hand to go through with something like that and ignore the reception, because
I mean, who who's all complaining? Is it like our PlayStation people complaining
like, oh we can't get let me rephrase that, our PlayStation people complaining
that, oh, Xbox is gonna make Starfield on other consoles. I don't
think that community is complaining. The only people complain are just Xbox. But
they've already made their money off of those people, so if they put it
on a PlayStation console, they're gonna make even more money. So yeah,
it's just their They're one fan base that they're alienating. Really yeah, and
I mean they're potentially removing people's faith in them as a company, and they're
like, well, why would I get the next Xbox if I am gonna
get some games? Whatever the games I'm interested. Let's say you are to
see if thieves Van. Yeah, well shit, I'm just gonna go buy
PlayStation next because I'll get the sequel to that game and all the DLC over
there. I don't have to have them this Xbox that just has less exclusive
than PlayStation otherwise, right, and if they're other than that, just pretty
much the same console in terms of power and capabilities. It's like makes that
decision even easier. So let's take our first break and we'll get right back
and we have even more to discuss with this. Okay, we are back,
So I want to ask you about this too, Like, what do
you think the future plans are gonna be? I pulled a couple quotes,
so they talked about how these games going over to the platforms are gonna,
I have business value, They're gonna bring people to Xbox. As I mentioned
earlier, Phil was als talking about how you believes the future of games is
going to move away from exclusivity, and he wants to build Xbox as a
place for developers to go at developers that are, you know, not looking
to make exclusive titles. Kind of a weird point, but if you listen
to the podcasts, I'm sure you worded it in a more nuanced way than
I just did reciteing it. But what do you think we can expect moving
forward? Because I feel like maybe right now to play for them is okay?
Do these four games we committed to it. They haven't announced what these
games are yet, right, so we don't know how long that will take
for the announcements and then the games to come out on these other platforms.
But wait, see how that goes, see what the reception is, see
what the numbers are on it, and then I think maybe at that point
decide what the future is gonna be, what their games could get that treatment.
But yeah, what do you do you think there's any games that we
currently announced for Xbox that you think will eventually end up coming to these other
platforms. Ah, it's hard to say. So the games you mean games
that haven't been like that are games that are announced but I haven't come out
yet, that haven't come out yet. They're like fables, Yeah, things
like that. Yeah, that's that'd be interesting. I mean, it's hard
to think about it. If that would actually be the case, I'll throw
I'll throw some at you and let me know you think. I mentioned stave
K two, but what about Stata K three and that eventually comes out co
op game. Does that make sense to have on multiple platforms? I I
want to say yes, But at the same time, I feel like,
well, how are people supposed to go back and play the other ones?
And maybe that's that's the kicker though. Maybe Hey, we're going to be
doing this, as you said, to bring people coming in or bring people
in towards Xbox, and Okay, people want to play these other versions of
this franchise, this series, then yeah, I gotta get an Xbox and
I can play the first and second one, So that's totally justifiable. I
think state to K three you could see that because as far as I'm aware,
I'm still kind of immersed in the community. Well I don't play the
game really anymore. I still see that there's a rich community involved with it
and people are just crazy about that game. Where the frick is that game?
I'm so surprised that we have we haven't gone update on that in a
long time. I know I'm waiting day That's a day one for me immediately,
so I'm very excited to check it out too. Since it's a game
pass, what about avowed or outer worlds too? Considering that these two other
Obsidian games are very likely going to come to other platforms. Outer Worlds the
first one was before the acquisition of Obsidian, so that is on Uh,
I don't it is on Switch? I think too, so yeah, it's
on all the other platforms. So I think Outer Worlds two makes a lot
of sense. Avowed is a new ip, but it still is like it
seems like a lot of Obsidian games are getting that treatment of coming out of
platforms. What do you think about those two? Yeah, that's that's definitely
a possibility. Then I guess if they if they already have that kind of
a good rapport of putting out those developers titles that I mean, I could
absolutely see that. Is this something too that we think? I mean they
they they said platforms, right, so we can just assume it's PlayStation and
Nintendo Switch. I think, like I think switch where the switch is capable
of running these games, right, but even then there could be streaming versions.
But I mean like if the Switch is powerful enough to play the game,
that I think it will come to Switch. So like Ki Fi Rush
is a game that I think is possible. I think Pentament Ground at nc
if Thieves, I think all those probably should be able to run on a
switch hopefully, I mean at the very least the Switch to which is maybe
coming out later this year or within the next fiscal year. Because I was
curious. Not every title is not every Xbox title that has come out has
been immediately released on PC. I think Halo five is an example of that.
Back in the day when Halo five came out consoles TOI a while and
finally they put it on PC. I think they've been pretty consistent with that
since like series X release though, right have they've been Okay, that would
make sense. I can think of another one that didn't. I mean there's
been some games that are like only on PC, like are a History,
I'm told I believe like that we got in the developer direct. I think
that's just a piece see game, right, So there's other there's games like
that that exist. Okay. I wasn't sure if it was something maybe like
they'd still kind of hold out on Sony and put it like more on like
yeah, PC and switch and whatnot. Because I still feel like, yeah,
when you said Out of Worlds is on switch, I mean that's just
that's fantastic and it's just crazy to think that Switch has that glove from Microsoft
more than PlayStation does at this time, right, And that's why I'd like
to hear those conversations like is this is Xbox really pushing forward and Sony's kind
of apprehensive, like no, we don't really want that, or yeah,
yeah, I mean another angle of this that we me and Travis talked about
is like, does could this mean that game Pass is coming to these other
platforms and therefore that's why they're putting these games there so they have more of
a roster. But they talked about in this very birthag just like yeah,
game Pass not coming to other platforms, Like they kind of deconfirmed that for
the time being, So that's fine. The other one, the last one,
I guess, is once again ever wild if that does come out,
if that's to be believed, very similar to see if these ter of format,
but just a different setting a new IP. I think we could very
well see that one come to other platforms as well. That makes a lot
of sense. Keep that multiplayer multiplayer games having as many players as possible,
that makes a lot of sense. And then other than that, like there
aren't really a whole lot that screamed to me. That scream out to me
as being obvious games that are gonna come to other platforms. And I think
when you look at it like High Fight, Russian Pentiment, I imagine those
games had much smaller budgets than your typical Triple A game. Pentiment, for
sure. They were also games. High Fight Rush got shadow dropped, and
then Pentment got announced at the June Showcase, came out that November. I
think it was so games that had very quick turnaround. So I feel like
other games that we're gonna see companies other platforms could be in that wheelhouse where
they are smaller games, games that we don't currently have announced but might even
get announced at the June Showcase, come out in the fall a year later,
come out on PlayStation. I could see that kind of thing happening as
well. So I feel like those smaller, more quote unquote budget titles,
I think we could see that thing happening a lot more. They did confirm
this that they are doing their June Showcase. That's not a shocking take.
They probably already said that elsewhere, but it's nice to have that to look
forward to. What else they talked about or anything else on the games side,
are doing to move one of these other touch points we can move on.
Yeah, so they finally confirmed that, you know, since the Activision
Blizzard acquisition, as of March twenty eighth, that'll be the first time any
of those games are coming onto game Pass. Diablo four is going to be
the first one. So that's coming at the end of March, so that's
awesome. That's good. That's within less than a year of the game coming
out proper, so I think the timing is pretty decent on that. I
was a little bummed that that's all they mentioned for that. I hope there's
other games with that, but they just headline it with the A Blow and
then maybe there's other smaller games that are old games that they don't feel like
mentioning in this way. But I think that's one of the things I'm most
excited for with that acquisition is just like all the random, smaller old games
that exist that I'll be able to go check out and just maybe play ten
minutes of I'm like, I'm not for me, cancel out, try another
one, and just download all these new games. I mean, I owned
Diablo four, so that's also why I'm not as excited for it. However,
it runs like shit on my PCs. So to be able to play
it on my Xbox with sixty frames or hopefully sixty frames, I mean,
who even those these days with a freaking Series X. But yeah, that's
that's a cool one. You're gonna be checking out Diablo four? Do you
think, Oh, it's it's been on my mind, but it's it's the
way down the list, Okay, yeah, I mean multiplayer could be fun,
jumping down your little campaign together. We'll see. They also talked about
hardware in a way that I felt was kind of weird and ambiguous. They
said that they have exciting stuff coming out in hardware this holiday, and then
they're gonna that's They didn't necessarily say this is this year, but they said
that their next generation roadmap is gonna be the largest technical leap of all time,
which is just wordless mumbo jumble in my opinion, because they say that
every time the Terror flops or the Series X, all these things alway talking
about it's goning this huge technical leap, and I believe them, But then
Starfield comes out its fucking thirty frames and like just shitty graphics. I'm like,
what are you guys talking about? Like this is why is this locked
at thirty frames? I'm so salty at this, So I'll believe it when
I see it with that. Show me the Starfield one hundred and twenty frames
patch for that new console, and I'll believe you. But yeah, what
do you think this exciting stuff coming out this halid This holiday is for hardware.
There's been some rumors recently of like a handheld like a switch thing or
a Steam Deck equivalent for Xbox, which they've not ventured into prior. But
yeah, what do you what do you expect for this hardware? Uh?
I would love to see their holow lens kind of make a proper jump into
gaming. I remember a few e three's ago, Xbox unveiled their holow
lens and they had someone basically wearing it and basically looking around like they were
in a hangar bay of a unsc ship at Halo and they could see out
the windows and they had they were playing Minecraft with the two They were world
building and building everything in Minecraft on this on their coffee table. It was
really really cool, and it's the tech is there. It's just been really
focused and drifted away from the gaming and turned into other things, I think
primarily manufacturing, engineering, construction, healthcare, education, that sort of stuff.
So it's really been pulled aside from the gaming aspect. And when you
look at it, like everyone's and for rightfully, So everyone's raving about this
app. I think it's Apple Vision, but yes, I mean that's essentially
what the Holo lenses. The whole lens is almost pretty much identical. You
can pop up your calls in real time while you're working on real time and
whatnot. So transition that more into the gaming aspect because I think that there's
there's untapped potential there. While VR tech is one thing, I think that
if they can really nail down just like no remotes in your hands, like
what does the assassins Creed Nexus, I think I know you got remotes with
that, but just kind of like polished a little bit, a little more
refinement. I'd like this that tech kind of make it there. I respect
that, but I don't want them to go down. It's just like I'm
not gonna buy it. I don't. I feel like they're already spreads out
there, like I don't know if I I don't know if I want that,
but yeah, for your sake, I hope they do it. I
think it would be cool if they did the handheld of some degree, especially
with you know, PlayStation out being in that market anymore. I mean,
they have the portal now, but I think something that's not a streaming device
now. Xbox is so big in the streaming game that I feel like their
coir version of that would be like a streaming based thing, but I I
don't think i'd buy it, almost like a download games on it playoff line,
so it would be more of like a powerful version of what is it
like the I can't remember the name of it, just the cloud, because
I mean Ruben showed me where he had an Xbox one controller and he popped
his cell phone into it and he was playing Halo five multi parts, Like
this is wild that he's doing this on his phone. Yeah, I no,
I guess. I guess that's a really good point. So I that
would probably lend to it not being a cloud only device because they already kind
of yeah, they already kind of have that as an offering, So it
would need to be something that has inherent power of its own that I could
run games. But like, are they gonna get Starfield running on one of
those things if they can barely run on a Series X like, I don't
know if that's like hard to believe, you know, all those terror flops
in your hand. It would be like thirty pounds for that device. So
I don't know. I just don't see a revision or an update to the
Xbox series right now, Like I don't see them ad in a new series
XS, like I don't know what the next series d. I don't see
them implementing that quite yet. Maybe I guess they could, like they haven't
really done any hardware updates for this generation yet, right, do you think
we could get like a connect bar add on? Oh my god, No,
I don't think so. I would. I would strongly advise them against
doing such a thing. I think the smart thing is a portable thing or
some really cheap version of the console that's like essentially like a streaming stick,
like a series s light even you know, just like a way easier entry
point for people to jump in, because I think those those things like a
smaller, cheaper handheld thing, even if it is locked to like it has
to stream games, or just like something you can plug directly in your TV
like, I think they just want to find ways to get as many people
playing their games as possible. I don't know if I don't know if they
need a huge, big expensive console right now, if they're talking about their
next generation going to be that, because that means it's gonna be a big
expensive console, right So that's a good I guess, a good self confirmation
because there's people seeing you know, and we've even talked about this, me
and Travis that with this announcement, if like Xbox goes the way of being
a publisher and just releasing games on other platforms and not doing hardware anymore,
so it's good to see that they are doing hardware. They confirmed, Yes,
we are still doing hardware. Don't worry about that. We're still gonna
make xboxes going forward. So that's good. Probably a quick shout out,
but they just they talked a little bit in there about wanting to put your
game library, is game preservation that sort of thing, and making sure that
you can backwards compatibility to play old games. Games aren't going anywhere across saved
cross play across these different titles. So nothing really new or shocking there,
but I like that I like, hopefully I can play my games forever more
and hopefully they get even better with that, because there's been certain things like
I stuck Fable loss chapters in my series X and it doesn't work, and
that's weird. That's a first party Xbox owned game, and instead it's because
they have the remaster thing available on game Pass, so it's like a lot
and you just go download that. But then that version has like a shitty
camera that makes me motion sick. It's like, let me stick this thing
in my console. So I don't think they're going to add more games necessarily,
but I guess sticking to that meaning that whatever the next generation is going
to be, all your old games are still going to be safety and still
play Xbox original games on your newest Xbox, which is great, and I
want every console I want tend to do that. I want PlayStation to do
that PlayStation to do that. So good that they are keeping that up,
but it's now obviously that's that's older games and whatnot. But I think the
the comfort of them doing that still stands in the wake of UBI stuff saying
get used to get comfortable with not owning your games anymore, and so Xbox
is just like, hey, be comfortable with with you know, we're gonna
we're gonna support you with those old titles everything like that. So the right
move. Yeah, uh, Taylor, Is there anything else on this podcast
any info that came out of this that we've mentioned? Yeah? I don't
think so. I think that's everything I could think of. Okay, when
do you think we'll get the first announcement of the first game coming to PlayStation
Mark? I mean, is that too shame June showcase thing? I feel
like they maybe do it outside the June Showcase. I think they want the
June Showcase to be Xbox first party games exclusives. Like, I think they
just do this as separate announcements. Outside of that, I would agree,
But at the same time, I could see them thinking like, oh yeah,
like Phil, Phil's thinking like, yeah, this is gonna be huge.
Everyone's gonna be just totally like blown away by how we tackle this and
present to other consoles at our own showcase. But true, yeah, I
mean, other other than that, it would be hard for me to really
pinpoint a certain month. I would definitely think it's it's spring for sure.
Prior to the June showcase for sure, right, Yeah, I think we
probably know about all four of them before that showcase would be. Yeah.
And the fact that just because of this this podcast, I feel like,
Okay, this is the things that they they mentioned. It makes it tells
me that, Okay, they're much more further along with this than then I
probably expected. And the fact that we had all these rumors in leaks and
they wanted to come forward and put this information the statement out to clarify everything
out there before they have their official announcement. I think that just goes to
show that they are very close to unveiling this officially. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. And plus I mean, I guess it'll kind of go into
topic into another, or it'll segue into another topic that you're going to be
bringing up. But just the fact that there's maybe be not necessarily a lot
of titles really releasing on another console, and here you have Xbox, Like,
hey, and I joked about this in the discord, Xbox is releasing
titles for PlayStation or PlayStation can kind of back off on releasing titles. Yeah,
let's let's let's get right into that. So our next, uh,
our next set up topics here is for is for Sony and the PS five,
which you know, me and you are not PS five owners, So
maybe we are not the best people to be breaking this down, but I
think it's still important news to have in here. So there's kind of been
some reports coming out of just the state of Sony and some of their conversations
going on here, and one thing that seems like they are going to be
focusing on, well, this is all very much rumors, So until they
post their official Sony podcast and confirm or deconfirm these things, take it with
a grain of salt. But one thing they want to be doing in the
future is going deeper, pushing deeper into the PC in terms of either maybe
launching games day and date on the platform, or maybe being quicker about it,
or maybe putting more games on PC. This being there like first party
game. So big example that just came out of course is Hell Divers two,
which is a game that's having huge success right now, one for Travis's
draft list that's doing some good points from there, but also just like sales
wise, it's huge, so huge that they've had to like put a cap
on how many players can even access the game because their servers are just like
burning there in theirs there. So that's that's the kind of excess you want.
You want to have those kind of problems at your studio. But yeah,
that was a Sony first person or not first person first party, it
isn't even first party. It might even be third party. But it's an
exclusive game, is what I'm trying to say, and launch a day and
Date on PC, and that's doing really well for them, so it seems
like that's something they want to do more now. I don't think we'll ever
get to the point where Spider Man three or God of War, Valhalla Odyssey,
whatever the next game is gonna be called. I don't think any of
those will ever be in day date with PC. But I think it'd be
cool if they had their games come out quicker, because it seems really inconsistent
where you have one game that's maybe like a later and then some of them
it's like three or four years later when they're already kind of past due another
big games so that people still play them. But it'd be cool to see
more of that, and even from just like yeah, maybe not those big
first party games, but even smaller titles or these remasters which I think they
already are kind of doing. Maybe some of those Last of US remasters came
out PC same date whatever. So yeah, I think that's cool. That's
a good thing. Any thoughts on that one. I mean, there's definitely
my computer. It can definitely handle some of these these crazier games. Not
all of them, but some of them. And so the idea that some
of these titles that I can't play on my Xbox are dropping on PC it
gets me super super happy. I've been eyeballing Spider Man like weekly. I'm
just waiting for that right Steam sale. Like it doesn't it doesn't go below
a certain price range, the lowest percent it's gone. Oh so I can't
remember, but I think it's dropped to around like forty two forty five from
It's like, that's interesting because I feel like those games go really cheap on
like PlayStation store. Really do they? Yeah? Because I remember like God
of War it drops down to like ten fifteen bucks. I've never seen Spider
Man go that low, and if it did, I would be an Instabut
maybe maybe Spider Man has maybe Marvel's not willing to give up that bag.
I don't know how it works there, but I'm just waiting for for that
and the like the Miles game is obviously a base costs it is cheaper and
so it definitely goes down. It's a little bit lower. But I that's
that's what I want to play later. I want to get the Original Spider
Man first. I'm just yeah, exactly, So I'm just waiting for that
one to go. But then there is oh my goodness, why Norman Ritash,
thank you? Yeah, that's Stranning Bats on PC two, and so
eventually I'll get it. I'll get around. That's all my phones now,
I think, actually, is it really? Which is insane? I mean,
I don't know if it's some streaming tech I can't remember. I can't
imagine an iPhone milling to run that game, but what do I know?
There's also I think did they do that Day one? Pius is a PlayStation
game? Was it Day one or it was like on the most days gone?
Yes? I think that one dropped on PC as well. I totally
think makes sense. You might be right, yeah, Day's gone on Steam.
Uh so there's a few that I i'd like to try. H And
it's slow, it's slow moving, right, like these games take years sometimes
and there's still some that haven't come or haven't got an announcement or it's been
like years. So it does like I don't think Ghostsushima, right, Oh,
I think that is is actually Sushima Stem Ghosts of Shit. Oh no
PC. So there you go. That game comes on twenty twenty and that's
so, I mean, do they plan to bring that over that they do,
It's like, damn, that's unfortunately you have to wait that long if
you're a PC player, so it's an exclusive of course. But I'm curious
to see how this will change with games going forward to them, if this
is truly anything that they're gonna be changing in the bigger, grander scheme of
things. I also want to bring in this to that there was just a
clown on Xbox a little bit here, But like Phil Spencer this interview,
and I'm just gonna read as quick as he says this is about Hell Divers,
I will say when I look at a game like Hell Divers too,
and it's a great game. Kudos to the team shipping on PC and PlayStation.
I'm not exactly sure who it helps in the industry by it not being
on Xbox. If you try to twist yourself to say like somehow that benefited
somebody somewhere. But I get it. There's a legacy and console gaming that
we're going to benefit by shipping games and not putting them in other places we
do the same thing, So I just want to bring that because as fun
as funn it's like he's so like holier than that, Like you just announced
this thing fucking earlier this week that you're gonna eventually bring some small game.
It's not like you guys are bringing all your platforms all over the place.
Yes, you're doing the PC thing, but it just came off as like
a bit cheesy on the timing of over I don't know, just giving himself
like overflating his ego a bit, especially when in that Xbox podcast Sarah Bond
was like bragging about Power World and she's like, Oh, this is such
a huge release, such a big exclusive that we had here. But it's
like, is that not game the same? Does that not have the same
logic as something like a hell Divers? Like who does it help buy a
Power World not being on PlayStation? So I don't know, I just found
their word in there to be a bit goofy. Maybe I'm reading into it
to me, No, No, I think you're right. I feel like
I feel like someone could go in and talk to Bill Spencer be like,
hey, so did you see they announced like a new Spider Man title on
PlayStation it's an exclusive? Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, And
then you leave the room and you go back ten minutes later, it's like,
so, what do you what do you think about that PlayStation exclusive game?
He's like, what they're putting a PlayStation exclusive? Like he just I
feel like he forgets that exclusives are a thing. And then then there's this
hypocrisy and it's been like clearly a huge success for PlayStation's business planning, a
big deal for them. So I don't like, is Hell Divers too hurting
at all? Like to not be on Xbox, Like, yeah, there
would be more sales there, but like they can't even house the amount of
players with their fricking servers. So I think they're doing fine. Phil,
Like, get off your high horse here and go release these games before you
start talking shit on everyone else not releasing their game. Absolutely, Hell Divers
is definitely something that's creeped into my field division Rubens telling me about it.
And so he sent me some videos and yeah, it looks great, well,
looks wonderful. Someday I'd love to check it out. What else was
there here? So? Uh, I guess one thing is they they for
this fiscal year, you know, ending in March and March whatever it is,
they they were anticipating twenty five million PS fives to be sold, it's
gonna be they're rounding that down to twenty one million now, so it seems
like they're undersold this year. Now. I still sold a shit ton of
consoles, but you know, under there, so maybe a little bit disappointed
on that side. There was this quote that came out that was a bit
weird where one of the get who it is, the Sony VP, you
know me, Matt Suoco about the PS five entering talking about the PS five
entering the latter stage of its life cycle instead of the latter half. So
just an interesting thing talking about like, Okay, maybe they're like already winding
down on the PS five to some extent, and within like a year or
two that would be getting the next generation, which you know, makes sense
on paper to a certain extent because it's usually what like six to eight years
between console generations maybe even five to eight, and the PS five and the
Series X came out in twenty twenty the end of twenty twenty, right,
so they've been out for a while now. But I guess it's just surprising
to me because of this next point two, which is that apparently there are
no more like big first party Sony games coming out until then until next fiscal
year, so like March of twenty twenty five. So obviously we have Final
Fantasy Reworth coming out in a few days, and that's a big, gets
huge game. But then after that, like, yes, you have Stellar
Blade or as their Ronan, but like who knows how big those games are
gonna be, how good they're gonna be, But you're not gonna get any
other big Sony PlayStation game until like a year away, which is crazy to
me. So that like the combo of all this news is kind of like,
you know, not like turmoil, not like they're hurting or anything.
They're still doing great, but it's just it's just interesting with the timing of
Okay, if they're not gonna have games for a while and the PlayStation five
is winding down, like what does that really mean for this generation? I
feel like PS five as a whole, and you know, maybe it's because
I'm not in the platform. I don't have it. I'm not playing these
games, but like, what have the exclusives been for this generation? It's
like you had a Ratchet and Clank, you had Spider Man two, I
guess Eternal and then I guess Final Fantasy is coming out. Like that's kind
of it. Really. Everything else is like God of War, Horizon,
those Role PS four games as well. So I don't know what my big
point here at the end of all this is, but it's just it's just
very interesting. I guess looking at the current state of PlayStation we know that
a lot of these live service games that they planned have been canceled. So
if that's maybe hurting their release calendar, I'm not too sure, but yeah,
just kind of some weird stuff going over on the Sony side of things.
Yeah, that's it's it's it's really just bonkers to think that we're only
four years in and to look at a console and think, yeah, it's
kind of at the it's coming to the end end of it's a it's its
cycle right now. Yeah, when you think about the titles that were released
on it. I don't think there's anything that's really nothing that's really really groundbreaking.
I would say either it just seems like, yeah, they put out
one and then that's that's kind of it for a franchise, and maybe that's
a lot of just like big sequels. But yeah, nothing exactly, nothing
new, no big new, huge new IP. I mean, Returnal is
a very successful game, is a very cool game, but it still feels
like it's not quite in that top echelon of the developers or IP. Right,
Yeah, when you look at I mean it's hard to when you look
at a three sixty and a PS three, But at PS three you have
like the en Charted trilogy. Xbox you have Last US one even, yeah,
Last of Us one even, and the Xbox three sixty you have Gears
of Wars. You have Halos, multiple Halos, and multiple years of Wars
all on that console. And so I think that's what really makes that console
stance stronger. And it's understandable because the technology is just an accelerated rate.
It's the series XPS five is is outdated at this point now with with what
they have, so it just means, yeah, shorter spans, not eight
year waiting periods anymore consoles are. Yeah, it's four to six years now
before we get that next gen probably and it'll be even more powerful, But
it gives less time to develop a game. When you look at a game
and the time it takes to produce it, I'm thinking, I'm thinking,
what two years, three years? Not even Some teams are probably forced to
be like a year get this game out there, right, Like, yeah,
I don't even think that's pos anymore unless your games like Pentiment, like
that's the only scale of like Triple A and like Dot made by a Triple
A studio, but you wouldn't even say it's a Triple A game, right,
It's made by like a handful of people over there at Obsidian. But
like, yeah, games just take so freaking long, especially these Sony games
that are huge prestige titles that they're taking their time with them. They're hitting
and they're massive games. But yeah, it's like what you need to get
one one game out per consolo as like a developer over there. Now,
it's insane. Mm hmm. Yeah, So I think that's it's almost like
a double edged sword kind of shoots himself in the foot a little bit because
it's just the need to hire more people to spend more time developing these games
and get these these games out, have more have more studios working on them,
like Call of Duty has games dropping every year, yeah, Hunt Studio
games, Yeah, something like that, without diluting the quality, I guess,
m h yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting stuff. And you know,
like with that latter stage of the cycle, like we're very much reading
into a quote here, which could even be a translation lost in translation sort
of, So whodos are really means? Like, I still think there's gonna
be a ton of new PS five games, and then even then it's like
we look at the PS five and I'm sure a lot of those games that
are in that like last year of development or in the same way God of
War and Horizon had new games come out on PS five, but we're still
in PS four. PS five is gonna have that two. Naturally, there's
gonna be a bunch of games that are gonna come out on that along with
the PS six eventually down the road. So I think we'll get to that
point with the PS five, Like Destraining two that's gonna be a huge one.
Wolverine will be another big one. We don't really know what the other
one's gonna be. We have to assume Ghost of Sushima IWI, maybe another
God of War game, maybe another Horizon game, I mean Horizon. They've
they're setting up a sequel there with the ending of the second one, so
I'm sure it's gonna happen, so they they'll eventually get to that point.
But yeah, it's like, well, we're not gonna get really much of
that for the next few months here, so I don't know what. It
might just be a little unexciting, especially when you have Final Fantasy coming out
in a few days and then it's gonna be like a real big dry spell,
unless they do have some surprise hits, or maybe they'll pour some money
into picking up a couple of third party games and turning them exclusive. Maybe
that'll be part of their business planner, or maybe just the other third party
developers will turn up and have a ton of games released this year. We
still, yeah, there's a lot of the calendar year that we don't know
a whole lot of so kind of remains to be seen. But kind of
a bummer, I would I would think, I mean, for me,
it's actually kind of better because I'm like, I'm really holding off on this
PS five purpose. It's like, I guess I can wait a whole another
year and maybe just get that PS six in the future or this next pro
updated version, whatever it is. I don't even know what I'll do at
this point. Maybe just waiting in the next console generation and skip on a
couple of games, but I really don't want to miss that stranding, so
we'll see what happens down the road. But yeah, any other thoughts on
Sony here with this stuff. No, I can't think of anything, all
right, I think I think that's gonna do it. Then, Taylor,
this is a fun, fun episode, really good discussions here this week.
Next week's side quest, I think I'll be joined by Kirkland. He and
I have not talked about games in a while because he's been busy. He's
been away away with school, off on trips and all that stuff. So
yeah, it'll be fun to have him back here talk about what the games
he's been playing and other news as I'm sure it's gonna be coming along maybe
in an Intendi direct pretty soon. Who knows what's going to happen. But
thank you Taylor for joining me, thank you ever for listening, and we'll
see you again next week. Bye bye,