1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:06,200 Hello and a welcome to side Quest, our weekly video game show here at 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,039 geek Versus. I'm your host, Till Must and I have with me Taylor 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,759 Field today, the nicknameless Taylor Field. How's it going on with my friend? 4 00:00:12,279 --> 00:00:15,480 It's good, I forgot a nickname, you know. End of a 5 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:19,640 long weekend and it's just where the time go. But I'm happy to be 6 00:00:19,679 --> 00:00:23,359 here. Yeah, No, definitely, I this is a I'm excited for 7 00:00:23,399 --> 00:00:26,920 this episode. We have a lot of spicy topics and have a fun couple 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,160 of little things to do to start here too. But yeah, we're gonna 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:34,600 be breaking down that Xbox podcast with their their future business plans as well as 10 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:38,399 there's even some some Sony info out there too. So really just a future 11 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:42,439 of Xbox and PlayStation. A lot of is up in the air or things 12 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:46,200 are changing. Things are good, things are bad. It's a lot going 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,359 on for both sides of that, you know, quote unquote Console War. 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,679 So definitely a fun episode looking forward to in terms of the show outs, 15 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:57,880 not a whole lot tonight, you know. Make sure to join the Patron 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,120 to get episodes early and ad free get access to the exclusive podcast fee that 17 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:07,000 has no ads in there, so it's nice way to listen. I don't 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,040 think there's much new in terms of side quest going up early these days, 19 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:12,719 really just the weekly stuff. But soon there's probably gonna be a couple episodes, 20 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:17,959 maybe an X Men episode, I'll tease that here. But yeah, 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,719 everything else that we're doing all sorts of retros right now. We're recording Halo 22 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:25,400 on a weekly basis, a review of the TV show of course season two, 23 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:27,879 so join us for that during the discord as well. We're always talking 24 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:32,040 in there about games and whatnot. But yeah, that's pretty much it for 25 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:37,200 the show. Outs Taylor, there's been a couple updates on the video game 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,599 draft, a couple of new games have come out recently, and so far, 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,200 it's funny, this is like it's a two horse race me and Kirkland. 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,680 Is still nothing on the board yet. We're still waiting in the wings 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,680 here, but you and Travis have like both your games so far have come 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,319 out within like a few days of each other on two separate occasions, which 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,480 is funny. So we talked about like the techan and ya Yakuza games that 32 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,680 came out in January. You guys had very similar scores there, but you 33 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:04,200 will have another game. Now you have Mario Versus Donkey Kong, that remake 34 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:07,199 which came out. I didn't write down the exact number, but it's like 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:13,719 seventy something or rather. And then Travis had Helldivers two come out, which 36 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,199 was a little bit higher, but I think your tech and was higher. 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,240 His infinite wealth was higher, so it equals out that he's at one sixty 38 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:23,439 nine right now and you're at one sixty six. So between your two games 39 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:25,919 right now, you guys are so closed, so neck and neck, which 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,719 is pretty exciting. So I don't know, it's fun to see. I 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,840 like this little battle between you two that's going on. But soon Final Fantasy 42 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:35,000 remake is gonna be coming out, so I'll be on the board. And 43 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,919 then I don't know what Kirkland's first thing that's coming out is, but soon 44 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:39,759 enough we should have a bunch of bunch of things filling in this chart. 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,840 But it's fun to keep an eye on that as the year goes on. 46 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:49,039 M hmm, absolutely yeah. And then last week's upisode we did a Skull 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,120 and Bones impressions of the beta. That game's officially out now in the wild, 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,639 out in the world. I don't know if you looked, but what 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,199 do you think the Metacritic landed on? Oh? I did look, and 50 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:06,000 oh, I mean that at one hundred. I think it's kind of like 51 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,800 the halfway mark around around there, isn't it. When I looked, to 52 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:14,400 Day was at sixty four, okay, and that's like the collective's score from 53 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:16,960 the different platforms there. So yeah, definitely, you know, well above 54 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,120 that fifty, but still clearly in the yellow I guess is a safe way 55 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,680 to put it there. So I don't know. I'm sure they wanted it 56 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:28,199 to be a lot higher for this game that's been in development for a million 57 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,759 years. But I think go back and listen to some of our complaints with 58 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,319 the game. I don't know. I haven't listened to a whole lot of 59 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:37,000 reviews or people's impressions on the games. I'm like, I don't know what. 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,759 People I follow on podcasts and stuff don't really seem to be playing it. 61 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,599 Maybe they are just going to check it out in the next couple days 62 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:45,120 here, I'm not too sure. But anyway, yeah, I go back 63 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:49,039 and check out our episode from last week, and then Taylor, I have 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,800 a little surprise litt quiz for you here. So the last week in Marvel 65 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:58,719 Snap, they've been doing a Halloween or Not Halloween of Valentine's Day event where 66 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:02,879 they gave a bunch of icon Marvel couples like bonuses that worked with each other. 67 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,879 So if you play one person of this couple, the other one would 68 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:10,560 get plus two power whatever it is, the other one would get that bonus 69 00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:12,960 as well, which was super fun. It's been a really fun week to 70 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,319 play the game because that just opens up so much more deck building options, 71 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,319 and it makes these combos of characters that are fun canon combos, but they 72 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:21,639 don't necessarily combo with each other in the game, work together, and so 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,000 I've just had a ton of fun playing it, and I wanted to quiz 74 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,160 you if you're able to pick what you think some of these iconic Marvel couples 75 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,399 are, because they a lot of them are like MCU kind of iconic ones. 76 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:38,959 A couple of them are maybe more low key or not necessarily MCU stuff. 77 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,680 But just just gonna quiz your Marvel knowledge here that I have. I 78 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,279 think it's ten pairs, So I want to see how many of these you 79 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:49,800 can get. You just rifle them all. I'm gonna I'm gonna write down 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:56,079 on my little notepad here. So we got Wanda and Vision. That's one 81 00:04:56,079 --> 00:05:00,600 of them. Nice job. Yeah, and they're MCU based. They're they're 82 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:03,480 not all MCU based, but they're i'd say like half of the half of 83 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:09,399 these are MCU characters or like MCU couples, even that we've seen or even 84 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,160 hinted at, about half of them, I would say, But then other 85 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,920 ones. There's really only one coupley here that there's no chance in hell you 86 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:18,879 would get because like I had new characters, even if we get Trives here, 87 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,839 there's he would if we gave him seven hours, he wouldn't get this 88 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:27,040 couple. That's how obscure the characters are. But I think the rest you 89 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,439 you should be able to get to. But you know, it might be 90 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:31,959 hard to just recall all these character names. I'll say, read Richard's and 91 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:38,360 Storm that's another one. Good. Sure hasn't happened yet, but we'll get 92 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,480 it soon. In the MCU, I'm sure what about Black Panther and Storm? 93 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,360 Okay, I'll give you a hint. Black Panther has one, but 94 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:54,120 not Storm. Think about more more of an MCU version that we say oh 95 00:05:54,519 --> 00:06:03,639 what is his lady's name? And Black Panther, I might have to pull 96 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:13,000 uh good lord Knakia in Black Panther. That's the one. Yeah, okay, 97 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:19,120 you got that one. Nice job. Oh you need some pants, 98 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,680 let me know. But I think you can get a few more here. 99 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,720 M hmmm. It's it's tricky because I'm just wondering, like how far, 100 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,040 Like what is the extent of some of these other characters they would put in 101 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:39,199 there? Other couples we got, I mean, what is there is there 102 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:46,000 Michelle Jones MJ in there? No MJ. Spider's in there, but there's 103 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,560 a Spider related one, not m c U, but there's a Spider related 104 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:55,040 one, like Black Cat and Peter Partner. No, not Black Cat. 105 00:06:56,079 --> 00:07:05,399 Ah, think think Sony Verse, Sony Verse, like Madame Webb. There's 106 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:13,240 no Madame Web characters in the game yet. Actually, this couple technicals this 107 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:15,720 is a hint for the Sony Verse one. This couple maybe not official on 108 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,399 screen yet, but they're they're definitely canoodling, but maybe not an official You 109 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:28,240 wouldn't say they're in a relationship yet. That's Oh like a venom and and 110 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:33,560 Lady Venom. No, you're you're thinking think about other sony, other sony 111 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:43,439 not Oh, what's Morebius's lady's name. I'm not think animated, think animated 112 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:48,079 animated? Oh, Miles Morales? Yeah, and oh yeah, Spider Guad. 113 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:54,360 There's another one. Okay, there's a couple from the Key Avengers. 114 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,639 Who do you got from the Key Avengers? Bruce Banner and Scartche and Hanson 115 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,680 Black. Really you think that's an iconic Marvel couple because they were they were 116 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,600 definitely in kahoots or they were they were in a relationship, right, Kahoot's 117 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,439 interesting word choice. That's not one of them, though maybe. I'm sure 118 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:15,360 there's a comic book run where they were full on. I mean, there's 119 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,800 definitely jokes about it, but I don't know if they were ever official in 120 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:22,040 MC Hawkeye's wife is definitely not in the game. No, that's that would 121 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,000 be a deep cut. Someday. I'm sure she'll be in there. But 122 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,519 it's MC related. Peggy Carter Captain America. This one might be a bit 123 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,360 trigger. So Captain America has one that's not Peggy. Can you think of 124 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:37,320 another character that I don't it's his niece or yeah, you got it? 125 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Agent thirteen, Agent thirteen, So that's kind of a deep put. Captain 126 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,120 Carter's not in the game, so I'm sure they would have picked that if 127 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:48,559 she was. But she's not in the game MC like the ethnic kiss, 128 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:52,320 right at some point they do. Yeah, yeah, So I mean that's 129 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,159 five. You said there's ten. At least there's still five more here. 130 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,759 Well, like I said, one of these duels you'll never get in a 131 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:05,279 thousand years. Another avenger, another key avenger here, another key adventure. 132 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:11,399 Okay, so iron Man Potts, Yes, you got it. Pep Rescue 133 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:15,120 is a rescue, I mean rescues in there. Yeah, not technically, 134 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,360 it doesn't say Pepper Potts, but the blue blue iron man looking thing. 135 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,960 Okay, give me another hint. One of these is very recent, the 136 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:31,000 most recent phase. Maybe not a couple, maybe not like a established couple, 137 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:37,399 but they definitely hooked up doctor Strange and oh what is her name? 138 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,799 It's not it's not doctor Strange, but it's not Gonna Strange. Okay, 139 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,919 yeah, what Christine? Right? Yeah, I don't I will, well, 140 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Christine. So I was thinking of the other the other one, the 141 00:09:46,279 --> 00:10:01,639 post credit lady, Yeah, post credit on that one. It wasn't quite 142 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:07,039 a one night stand. They definitely Uh, oh, star Lord and Gomora. 143 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,639 That's one of them. Yeah, that's not what I was hinting at, 144 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,799 but that's one of them. And uh, I'm trying to think of 145 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:20,039 like a hint I can give without just giving it away distinctly. Not a 146 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,159 one night stand, No, because I think I think they hooked up a 147 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:30,480 couple of times. It's from a TV show, TV show from MCU Disney 148 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:41,120 Plus show Loki and Sylvie, not Loki. Okay, what else have we 149 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,120 got for shows? We got Secret Invasion because I don't think there's any relationships 150 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:50,799 really going on there. Marvel's Marvel. I don't think there's any relationship going 151 00:10:50,840 --> 00:11:03,759 on there. Yeah, Echo, nothing there. Another show, Oh, 152 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:09,399 She Hawk and Daredevil, which was very fun combo and they actually worked really 153 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,679 well together. I use that combo a lot, and they were really fun 154 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,559 for this last week. And then this last one is from a TV show 155 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:22,320 that we recently did a retrospective of a TV show We did a retro so 156 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:30,399 it has to be X Men animated series. Who do you think Cyclops and 157 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,240 Gene Nope, they're both in the game. That's kind of weird that they 158 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,960 didn't get one. Actually, interesting. Cyclops is already very powerful movie. 159 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:41,440 Don't tell me it's Xavier and the like the alien. Yeah, well, 160 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:48,039 she's not in there. She's not in there yet, Okay someday. How 161 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:54,279 close is this? Like is it like main X Men crew? You? 162 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:56,159 You know this? You know this has been on and on again, off 163 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:03,080 again. A lot of drama between these two. Oh, Rogue and Gambit, 164 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,759 Brogu and Gambit. There you go. And then the last one was 165 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:09,919 Sarah and Angela, two characters that I'm certain you don't know. I don't 166 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:13,600 even know which part of the verse. I don't know. If I think 167 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:16,000 angel might be like an X Men related thing, I have no idea. 168 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,840 So you did pretty good there, you did pretty good. Thank you. 169 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:20,519 That was good. But yeah, that was a really fun event. I 170 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,879 hope they do more of that kind of stuff because that's always been a thing 171 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:26,080 with that game. It's a bit weird. It's like none of the X 172 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,840 Men, maybe a couple of them have like synergies together, so you can 173 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:33,360 make a deck of like all X Men, but it's not really gonna be 174 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,720 a very strong deck. You know, you might have fun with it, 175 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,120 but it's not necessarily gonna They're not gonna like combo off each other in interesting 176 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,519 ways, you know, And so that's why it's fun to have these these 177 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,799 iconic combos. And they were like really overpowered, but I think they they 178 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:46,799 kind of admitted that too. They're like, you know, this next week's 179 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,559 gonna be Inbounced, but we don't even care. But somehow, I didn't 180 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,759 even see a lot of people using these cards or these combos. But me 181 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,480 and I know Clay over in our discord, we're having a lot of fun 182 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,759 playing with me or No, it was just for a week, like I 183 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,000 think it ends probably tomorrow. So I'm a little sad actually because that, 184 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,679 yeah, that Daredevil she Al combo was really strong, So I'm gonna miss 185 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:11,720 I'm gonna miss playing that particular deck. But there you go, Taylor. 186 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:13,960 Was there any other games you've been playing recently you want to show out or 187 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,759 do you want to get into some of this Xbox stuff? I'd shut out 188 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,200 Mario Wonder again. Me and Madison, we're playing a little bit more of 189 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,000 that, trying to trying to just finish that off and roll credits on it. 190 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,519 But yeah, some of the levels are just getting a lot more intense 191 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,000 and Madison's definitely not not as proficient as I am. Is she rocking the 192 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,399 Yoshi or is she? Uh, I'm standing to be like, no, 193 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:43,639 I'm gonna play as the harder characters. She's she's jumped over from being being 194 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,159 a Yoshi to playing as this Peach, which is just kind of fun. 195 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:52,159 So I appreciate it because I just remember just when you're moving and you accidentally 196 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,080 lay on top of Yoshi and it automatically triggers that mounting effect and it's just 197 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,320 so annoying. So many deaths that have happened because of that. So that's 198 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,279 fair enough. Yeah, what world are you in right now? Oh gosh, 199 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,440 we have two left. We just completed the last three. You can 200 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,279 do in like any order, I think, right, I think so? 201 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:16,080 Yeah, yeah, so we just completed the No Water Desert Land right yeah, 202 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:20,360 yeah, okay, cool? Yeah, that's uh, that's awesome. 203 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:22,399 I love that game. It was a really good time. Yeah, I 204 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:24,879 think for me, nothing really new, Like I was talking to you about 205 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,320 toem last week, I think, and I beat the game, but then 206 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,159 they I guess they added like a post release like not, it's not like 207 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:37,080 a paid dealc. They just added like a New Island essentially afterwards at some 208 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,480 point, so I still have more to do there, but that game was 209 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,000 such a joy from starting to finish, really really enjoyed it, and still 210 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,720 just working through Balder's Gate. I'm in Act three now officially, but I'm 211 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:50,279 taking my time with it. When I'm finally like at the City of Balders 212 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:52,000 Get, I'm at the gate. I haven't actually gone in the city yet, 213 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,480 but it's taken me so long just to get to the freaking titular city. 214 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,159 So that's that's pretty sweet. And then, oh, it was fun 215 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,879 because you were talking about Call of du last week and the whatever the maps 216 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:05,919 called it they brought back and it was a nice to finally get a win 217 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,120 on it with the yeah with you and Travis Denley last night two nights ago, 218 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:13,080 when was that last night? Whenever? That was was, yeah last 219 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:16,360 night. A lot of second places and then oh my god, we've probably 220 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:20,720 gotten at least fifteen second places on that map. It's insane. But finally 221 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,240 got the w which was pretty fun. So that's been good as well. 222 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:26,679 Yeah, let's let's talk about this Xbox News. So this has been a 223 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,440 real saga of course, where there has been all sorts of rumors for the 224 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,759 last few weeks of these Xbox games are going to other platforms, and then 225 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,080 I feel like people were getting pretty doom and gloom about it, of like 226 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:41,320 Xbox and we're gonna make another console, They're gonna just only be a publisher. 227 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,399 Every game star Field Indiana Jones after three months is going over to PlayStation 228 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,919 and Xbox was like freaking out at this and Phil Spencer out of tweet. 229 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:54,279 But they finally kind of responded to these all these rumors in the form of 230 00:15:54,320 --> 00:16:00,360 a podcast that was like twenty five minutes long ish, and you know, 231 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:04,519 I think it seems like the general consensus of the podcast was like that was 232 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:08,879 pretty unexciting and uninteresting and there really wasn't much in there, and so there's 233 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:11,919 like two sides where it's like one. I think it was smart that they 234 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,279 branded it as like this podcast thing instead of like a showcase or I don't 235 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,080 know, some big event where they're trying to make it seem like some hype 236 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,240 thing. Was more just like, hey, we got hit on the back 237 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,000 foot. All these rooms are coming out and we just have to like squash 238 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,240 them. But then like we can't squash all of them, because some of 239 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:27,840 it is correct, and I think they really wanted it to make sure it 240 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,960 was their wording and not just like a tweet that goes out there and misinterpreted. 241 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:33,840 So and now why I think it was wise what they did. But 242 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:38,039 when you watch it and it's like whether an Xbox fan or a PlayStation or 243 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,799 whoever, it's just like a whole lot of nothing. And so there is 244 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,440 some things that we're going to dig into here, and we can really read 245 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,639 into it here because the way I see it is like every word that they 246 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:53,480 said in this in this podcast was like combed through by like seventeen pr people, 247 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:57,240 you know, like everything was like laser precise. And so I think 248 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:00,360 because of that, the things that they did say we can take and really 249 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,160 try and riff on it and see like really what they mean here in the 250 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,880 greater scheme of things. But they also kind of held back, like they 251 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,519 told us, yeah, four games are coming to other platforms, but we're 252 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:11,519 not gonna tell you which ones, but we're gonna hint at it. And 253 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:15,079 there's gonna be more rumors because we didn't confirm it, which is like just 254 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,079 confirm it, please. So I don't know did you have any like overall 255 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,480 takes on the podcast or or I don't know, is your opinion different from 256 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:26,640 mine in that way? In any way, Well, I'm not a big 257 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:33,319 fan of having a podcast kind of talk about this kind of thing, like 258 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:37,000 them putting out this kind of information through a podcast, But I understand, 259 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,519 like I like seeing the shows the Xbox does plantations and everything like that. 260 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,759 But I understand that their hand was forced because rumors were going rampant. Everyone's 261 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:51,720 talking on the discord about this and like the titles that are gonna be coming 262 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:53,759 to Sony consoles and all that kind of stuff and thinking, man, this 263 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:57,200 is crazy. And I'm glad that there is the clarification to a slight degree. 264 00:17:57,319 --> 00:18:03,519 I mean, we'll get into it more, but it's the people I 265 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:07,200 think are still uncertain with how things are. I think we've got a couple 266 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,960 answers. But it really it was really nothing. It didn't really clear the 267 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,920 air much. It's just kind of left things kind of ambiguous. I guess 268 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,720 you could say, yeah, yeah, let's get into it then, so 269 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:22,400 we're gonna go through this and kind of the order that they went through it. 270 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,559 So they confirmed they have four games and just four games for now, 271 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,599 but they they were trying to be very clear. I feel like about like, 272 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,079 hey, if you're on other platforms and these are not one of the 273 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,039 four games that you want, like, don't wait up for it, because 274 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,599 we're just doing this as like a test I guess a test run essentially. 275 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,680 Or they feel like they're gonna get some additional value out of this. So 276 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,240 they said that it's gonna be four games, two community driven games and two 277 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:53,720 smaller games. They said, it's like probably these are probably new IP sort 278 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:56,440 of games, games that are more than a year old, and they feel 279 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,640 like games that have quote unquote peaked on XBO, like they're still gonna sell 280 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,000 and have their communities there for sure, but they feel like they've already gotten 281 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,160 let's say ninety five percent of the value off that platform, and so they 282 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,759 want to move it over to other platforms as well to get that second run 283 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,319 of potential success over there as well. So one thing that also said to 284 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,440 me when I was going through this, and I was trying to just look 285 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,680 at what are the potential games that they could be talking about here, and 286 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,079 I was looking at Minecraft Legends, and I kind of forgot that that was 287 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:29,640 like under Xbox's Umbrella first party game, but they did launch that on all 288 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,599 platforms. That was on PlayStation, can't remember. I think it's on Switch 289 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,559 as well. So it's interesting that like this whole scuttle bud's going on, 290 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,559 and like they kind of did this already last year with another game, and 291 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:42,720 we didn't really talk about it that much. Now. Maybe it's because it's 292 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:47,200 Minecraft, which is a huge ip and it's been established on these other platforms, 293 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,559 so it's maybe a slight difference in some of these other first party exclusives, 294 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,279 but I guess it's not technically new. And then we obviously had other 295 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:57,680 cases where they acquired Bethesda, and then there's other games that were already on 296 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,519 PlayStation exclusively, so there's already been some some stuff in the air there. 297 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:07,039 But the rumors that have surfaced kind of after this have been that those four 298 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:11,319 games are gonna be see if Thieves, Grounded, High Fi, Rush, 299 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,079 and Pentiment. Just to get your your first thoughts on this, Like, 300 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:21,039 as a primary Xbox user, someone who hasn't really had so many console in 301 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:22,160 a while. You have your Switch, of course, but you're like all 302 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,559 about that Xbox. You're probably gonna get whatever the next generation is, no 303 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,960 matter what, Like, are you bothered by this at all? That these 304 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,799 games that are exclusive to your preferred platform or going elsewhere. I'd love to 305 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:37,240 be a fly on the wall and see what kind of meetings and discussions that 306 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,599 they're having in these meetings consist of. But as a consumer and a supporter 307 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:47,720 of Microsoft and Xbox, it does bother me. But I at the same 308 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:53,799 time, I think that's my own biasedness that's been pre established throughout two console 309 00:20:53,839 --> 00:21:00,039 wars. Does it bother you because you because of the pride element of like 310 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:03,720 you want Xbox to have exclusive titles that to mean something. That's the reason. 311 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,839 Absolutely, that is definitely a factor in it, and it shouldn't be. 312 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,279 At its core, it really shouldn't be. You should just pick a 313 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:15,920 console that you like and just play games on that console that you enjoy. 314 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:21,640 And of course there are exclusivity scenarios and I can't play all the games that 315 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,000 I would like to play, and that definitely fuels that kind of sense like, 316 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:27,839 well, yeah, well Xbox should be better than Xbox should put out 317 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,960 their own exclusives and stuff like that. But ultimately, if we were to 318 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,319 get some some more titles shared on Xbox, then that's cool, but that's 319 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,319 not the case here. The case is, Okay, we're getting Xbox titles 320 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,039 that are being shared on other consoles. So to me that feels like it 321 00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:48,559 does it does kind of sting a little bit more as a as a fan, 322 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,160 I would I would want them to be building up that relationship and bringing 323 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,640 in these titles to Xbox more like those other like Sony titles and whatnot, 324 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:02,680 then then sharing their share the load kind of thing. But it's so it 325 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,839 does bother me on that regard, and yeah, like yeah, yeah, 326 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,960 fair enough. Yeah. I mean for me, I guess I feel less 327 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,200 connected even though I love my series X and that's my main console right now 328 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,200 for new games and I and whatnot, Like it doesn't really bother me at 329 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,200 all. I like, I more games for more people is a good thing. 330 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,599 And I think there's a very specific type of game that they're I mean, 331 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:30,720 they haven't announced with the games are right, so we're reading into it 332 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,680 to an extent. But just even what they've said of like it being new 333 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,839 new IP like new franchises, to me, that's like kind of confirming, 334 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,960 Okay, it's not gonna be Halo Infinite, which they could be talking about 335 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,440 as a community driven game, not gonna be like a four of Horizon five, 336 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:48,400 not like a Gears of War. And so I feel like those big 337 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,480 games that you really think of as Xbox games and games that would be considered 338 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,400 like console sellers, in my mind, like, it doesn't seem like those 339 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,000 are gonna be the ones that are gonna be moving over to platforms, even 340 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,920 if there is some value to having that. Of course, they're already on 341 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:07,680 PC, but I mean switch can't run those games anyway, and it doesn't 342 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,720 seem like they I think it's important for the Xbox brand to some extent to 343 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,400 keep some exclusives obviously, but I think there it's okay to get rid of, 344 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,480 not get rid of, but also share share the load of some of 345 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:22,920 those games with other communities as well. And so I don't know, like 346 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,039 when you saw those that lit or not that list, but just those four 347 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:27,880 games, like, were they're other ones that came to your mind, because 348 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,079 honestly, when I was going through the list, I'm like, there's not 349 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,079 a lot of Series X exclusives that have come out, and even when you 350 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,400 go back to Xbox one Erarow they're always in a ton of stuff. So 351 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,319 like, I kind of feel like that rumor of those four games, see 352 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:41,880 if these grounded High Fi Rush, Pentiment, Like, I don't know what 353 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,640 else it could be unless it is like a Halo or a four Za, 354 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,200 but I don't. I don't think it's gonna be those things. Plus they 355 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:52,680 kind of said, yeah, it's not gonna be like things from existing franchise, 356 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,039 it's gonna be new games. So they could be you know, weaseling 357 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:59,119 it with the wording, But if I'm to believe it's those four games, 358 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:02,400 I don't. I don't see that as a big deal for them to get 359 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,559 rid of it and yet get the value from it. But then there's also 360 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:11,319 ones like Pentiment for example, like how much value are they're really gonna get 361 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,559 from putting that on other platforms, Like maybe it's gonna sell a wild on 362 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,440 switch and PlayStation, I suppose, But Pentiment was the one that really stood 363 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,119 out to me as being like, I don't I don't really see the purpose 364 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:26,720 of bringing that game over to other platforms, not that you know, it's 365 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,880 not like a console seller right in the way I think of what console sellers 366 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,400 are. So I don't know if it's like, oh, they need to 367 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,839 keep it only on Xbox so people will come to that console for it. 368 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,960 But that was the one to me that seemed like a weird inclusion if it 369 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,880 is in fact the case. But yeah, sorry, I know I said 370 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,079 like a million things there. But do you think there could be other games 371 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:48,920 in the mix that we haven't considered here? I would say that it's it's 372 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,759 it's possibility. It's so hard for me to actually keep track of what other 373 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,079 titles are or Xbox exclusive as size from your Gears of War, your Halo 374 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,920 and yeah not I mean maybe Microsoft Flight Simulator. That's something that there they 375 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,640 want to get out there. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how 376 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,200 a switch would handle that game. That would blow my mind. Would you 377 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,200 consider that to be a community driven game? Because they said, like two 378 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,720 of these games are community driven. I think see if Thieves is like, 379 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,079 I'm happy to put ninety nine percent chance on that happening. I think that 380 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,799 one's absolutely happening. The other community driven one, I guess would be grounded, 381 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:29,079 which makes sense. I don't really think of it. I mean, 382 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:30,039 it's a co op game, so I guess that's what they mean there. 383 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:36,880 But uh so, I guess, I guess I don't know the flights. 384 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:38,200 It could be in that ball camp. I don't bought that ball game. 385 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,920 I don't know. It's it's been a good minute since I've played the flight 386 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,559 simulator, and I want to say that there's I know that there's definitely a 387 00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:51,079 following and a community for it, and I believe that it's kind of like 388 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,519 an online flying with your friends kind of a type deal as well. Don't 389 00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:57,240 quote me on that. I don't think there's like officially co op, but 390 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,880 I feel like it's one of those games that I don't know, you play 391 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,799 with your friends still somehow, I don't know. Ye Like, to me, 392 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,160 it seems like there's a community aspect of the game, and like Pentiment 393 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:12,000 doesn't really have. Yeah, so yeah, Pensman is a very interesting one 394 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:17,039 for that. I think it's just trying to think of other other titles that 395 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:18,799 could be in there. So yeah, I mean Grounded see a Thieves, 396 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,880 because like they even talked about how like, Okay, these are games we 397 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,039 want to put on other platforms to help them grow, and you know, 398 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,400 there's multiple ideas there, like okay, get people to love these games, 399 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,519 and they will want to come to Xbox to experience more of games like that, 400 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,799 but also like test the waters on these games, see the popularity, 401 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:44,119 and maybe explore sequels or or follow up content from those franchises and so like 402 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,440 see if Thieves grounded once again. Community games are getting continual updates. That 403 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,839 makes sense. High Fi Rush, I think that's game seems to me like 404 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,920 one hundred percent chance is going to get a se quote this point, High 405 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:53,839 Fi Rush two is coming out in two years, you know you quote me 406 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,720 on that. I'm happy to like throw that down. Pentiment though, like 407 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,279 I don't know, is like maybe there's just wing of Obsidian's going to keep 408 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:04,079 making these Pentiment games or Pentiment likes or other similar games to it. So 409 00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,119 I don't know that that seems like a bit like it maybe doesn't fit in 410 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,279 the mold there. So if that one doesn't end up being it, I 411 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:14,960 think I would be not as shocked. Whereas Hi Fi Rush, I feel 412 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,960 like that's a game that is going to sell really well on other platforms. 413 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,640 I think on Switch that game is gonna be huge. I think on PlayStation 414 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:22,720 is gonna be huge as well. So I think Hi Fi Rush is a 415 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,559 really smart idea, and that one makes sense for me and the value proposition 416 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,119 of it. The other angle to this if we look at it, and 417 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,279 I know I'm going all over the place here, so I apologize for that. 418 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,839 But Grounded and Pentiment like both Obsidian titles, right, and so maybe 419 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,839 there's maybe that's just something Obsidian really wants from their games, is they want 420 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:45,079 to reach more players. They want to reach out and bring these games elsewhere. 421 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,920 So maybe that's an angle to it as well that we need to consider 422 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,079 in this in this equation. Yeah, and I don't know what the communities 423 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:59,519 are like still for Grounded and see a Thieves in this day and age. 424 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,480 I mean, I think see if Thieves is still freaking massive, it is 425 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:08,519 like it's tons of new content. Grounded. I don't know how big that 426 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:14,480 community is, but I know as of November they launched like community made maps 427 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,359 was a big, huge future, so people like could customize backyards and whole 428 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,960 levels and areas. And I had a lot of fun going down and going 429 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,960 through that downloading levels and stuff. So that I'm sure put a big resurgence 430 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,200 into the game. And it like it must like it had has got multiple 431 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,000 updates, so it must still and it was like it had the years of 432 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:34,000 early access before its official launch launched, So I don't know, it must 433 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:37,960 be like doing pretty well, and I guess they want to put that out 434 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,160 to other platforms, uh, to keep that growing as well. So I'm 435 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,039 into that. Like Grounded was my game of the Year in twenty twenty two, 436 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:47,519 so it getting years of more content I'm totally happy with. I don't 437 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,319 think it's a game that needs a sequel. I think you just could build 438 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,680 off it, make new areas, allow the players to make big new areas 439 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,359 as well, so that one it makes sense to me as well. It 440 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:03,400 concerns me because I've seen in the past st where let's say you have a 441 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,720 game that's releasing on all consoles, but each console gets different DLC and whatnot. 442 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:12,440 I think we ran into this with Hotwarts Legacy, where we because you 443 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,839 had it on Xbox, so we had the Prisoner of Esque, but we 444 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,640 had an Askaban mission. Was that all just because of our house choice? 445 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,400 I think that there wasn but that was like exclusive to PlayStation. There was 446 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,000 like that Haunted House. You're right, okay, well that's that that works 447 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,440 as an example then, because yeah, you have extra missions based on what 448 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,960 console you're playing on, and I think that's that's neat, But at the 449 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,839 same time, I don't think that's very fair. So if they dish out 450 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,359 Grounded CEA Thieves and Pensman High Fi Rush to PlayStation Switch, they're like, 451 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,319 okay, and on Switch you're gonna get like a whole bunch of new stuff 452 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:48,920 that you know you can't play on Xbox. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 453 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:56,160 I think that would be really really on a rude and like a shot towards 454 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,200 the current fan base, the community that's already been supporting those games. And 455 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,119 I wouldn't put it out of the question that they could be doing something like 456 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,240 that. Hmm. Yeah, that's always something I've wondered if they do bring 457 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,440 games over is just you know this, the value proposition is still there on 458 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:15,920 Xbox because of game Pass. That's a huge thing. That's like, you're 459 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,880 just gonna be a better place to play that game because you don't have to 460 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,640 as long as you describe that service, you don't actually have to buy the 461 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,160 game. Then you get discounts on stuff, you get DLC and whatnot cheaper 462 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,960 because of that too. So all that makes sense, But I guess the 463 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,559 actual content is not something they want to make exclusive, which I think is 464 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:34,359 a good move. I agree with you there that it just feels bad as 465 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,799 a player, like especially like Avengers had that too, right, like Spider 466 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,680 Man exclusive character to PlayStation. Obviously that game needed all the help it could 467 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,880 get, but that is a huge hit for players on other platforms that and 468 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,799 you didn't get anything in return. It's not like, okay, well PlayStation 469 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,200 gets Spider Man, but you get Doctor Strange over there on Xbox you get 470 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,880 nothing. You don't get that character, then there's no good reason for it 471 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,440 as a consumer. So that kind of thing sucks. So yeah, I 472 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:03,119 hope I I hope that's not part of the plan here. I hope it's 473 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,079 more just like, hey, if you like this game, if you want 474 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:07,680 to get the sequel, why not come over to Xbox. You can get 475 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:10,720 on game Pass, you don't have to pay for the game. And I 476 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,880 hope that's the way to get people in the door, rather than like making 477 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,559 the PlayStation version really buggy and like go over to Xbox play a better version 478 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,759 or have the more content. I guess I should mention this too, that 479 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,039 they clarified that the four games of the four games that are coming over. 480 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,920 They're not Starfield and not Indiana Jones Indian Junges bakes sense. They they haven't 481 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,200 really talked about how future games are gonna work. They hinted at it, 482 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,799 but not really and then so they mentioned it's not Starfield, which I think 483 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,160 is a big deal. Even if that game has kind of fallen in public 484 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,519 favor since its release, still is a really big success. Still, it's 485 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,960 a Bethesda, you know, first person open world exploration game, So I 486 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,480 think that's a good one to not get rid of. We could also consider, 487 00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,160 like red Fall could be in that wheel. They said it's like all 488 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,319 games that have been out for more than a year, red Fall has not 489 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:00,119 lot. So I don't think they're talking about red Fall here, And I 490 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:06,079 also don't think I think that game is just so was received so poorly that 491 00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,200 they don't want to have a second win of it. In the conversation by 492 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,319 putting other platforms. It is a community driven one. I think it would 493 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,599 probably be good for the game in terms of having more players, but I 494 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,160 don't think they're gonna do it. I think they're just gonna release the two 495 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,119 DLC characters they promised and then never talk about that game again or then never 496 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,000 do another red Fall like that. I think that's I think that's pretty safe 497 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,720 to save for red Fall. The other thing I was thinking is like what 498 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,079 about Stave of DeKay. That's kind of like a community like co Opy sort 499 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:35,759 of game, right that third one, I don't know where the hell it 500 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:37,559 is, but like Saved K two, I mean, not a serious X 501 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,400 game, but they didn't really specify any of these other series X games. 502 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,880 A lot of these things are cross platform anyway, So to me that seems 503 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,559 like, Okay, it could be a potential. But then once again, 504 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:49,960 that's a sequel, and so they established franchise, which maybe they hinted at 505 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,559 weren't gonna be the games that were coming over. Plus that's kind of an 506 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,200 older game, Like I think the idea is they want to do this for 507 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,119 newer ish games that are still going to give them pretty good value by like 508 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,559 I said, like Higher, she's gonna sell so many copies when you bring 509 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,920 over to these other platforms. But yeah, is there other games that could 510 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:13,799 be I think we've kind of covered like what yeah, Like I mean like 511 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,240 Overdrive, but like I don't I don't see Insomnia come back to like make 512 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:22,200 this Xbox am on other platforms now their PlayStation. Yeah, I mean Sunset 513 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,160 Overdrive really old games at that point, I just I don't know, Yeah, 514 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:32,880 it's it's tricky. I just it, Uh, it's just one of 515 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,319 those movies that Xbox is doing that. I mean, as a fan of 516 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,559 Xbox, I want I don't feel like it's gonna It's not gonna better my 517 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,480 experience as a console owner. It betters other people. And well that's great 518 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:50,640 more as you said, more games, more people, and and more accessibility, 519 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,759 which is wonderful by all means. But at the same time, I'm 520 00:33:53,319 --> 00:34:00,880 I'm still waiting to see new like some of my favorite ips get release dates, 521 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,640 new announcements, even for for on Xbox, and that's that's still up 522 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,480 in the air, not happening, and you just see them kind of catering 523 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:13,480 to turning an Xbox into more like a family a family box than really making 524 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:17,360 it a gaming machine. Yeah, and no, I mean, I mean 525 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,960 I think there's a vbildity to that. Like for developers, I think it's 526 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,519 you know, far easier to make your game for in this case two platforms, 527 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:29,920 PC and Xbox. You don't have to worry about other versions that comes 528 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,039 with all sorts of design challenges and whatnot. And then you're talking about all 529 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,960 these updates that you got to do DLC and so that's maybe not something that 530 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,039 we would necessarily notice as consumers, but still like, yeah, it's development 531 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,079 is going to take longer on games if you have to develop for more platforms, 532 00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:46,800 or the games are going to come out in the same amount of time, 533 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,280 but they're gonna be way buggier because they didn't spend as much time with 534 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,000 each version of the game. So I think in that sense, like as 535 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,599 an Xbox GAMEE, I can see where there's some disappointment there, like yeah, 536 00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,599 I mean maybe my games will take longer, And it's like, yeah, 537 00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:00,800 I don't get any value out of this than the continued well being of 538 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,440 Xbox as a company, But like they have so much money, like it's 539 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,400 not like you're gonna be an issue there. But then if you're a huge 540 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,039 fan of Sea of Thieves, like maybe this coming to out the consoles gives 541 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:14,440 them the kind of capital to keep working on the game for another ten years 542 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,840 and if you're a c Thief f and that's great, and maybe they wouldn't 543 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,679 have been able to do that without doing this play there's out of the coin. 544 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,800 Is that the next game from the Sea Thieves developer from Rare ever wild 545 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,760 Right, which we heard about like forever ago, we haven't gotten an update 546 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,920 on ever, Like, is that game even still in development or are they 547 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,679 just all in on CEA Thieves and maybe they even halted development on that to 548 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,280 like, oh, yeah, let's get this port going over to other platforms 549 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,719 and make sure all that works. Like, I can see that side of 550 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,679 the argument too, But I think selfishly personally, as a ground event, 551 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,280 I think this is probably great. I want more people to play this game 552 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:51,239 because it's amazing and very underrated, and yeah, that'll just probably put more 553 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,960 money in obsidians pocket to keep pumping out updates for it, or higher chance 554 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,719 of Grounded two happening. So definitely pros and cons no matter which way you 555 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,400 slice it. But I can definitely, uh, I can see your point 556 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:07,480 of view for sure. Question, do you think any of this was a 557 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:13,159 pivot since all the rumors in terms of like maybe Starfield was in their plans 558 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,760 or Indiana Jones was in their plans, but then they saw how the Internet 559 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,360 responded to these things and decided, Eh, we're gonna put the halt on 560 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,440 that and so go ahead with these four games that we've had an active development 561 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,039 for other platforms, but we're gonna cancel on like some of these other things. 562 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,000 There's any chance of that. I mean, I'm sure a lot of 563 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000 these things take a really long time to make these decisions. But it's not 564 00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:34,599 like they just did a knee jerk video the day these rumors came out, 565 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:38,159 Like they did take a couple of weeks to carefully orchestrate a podcast, right, 566 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,960 So like that's well edited and had all these specific questions from one of 567 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,079 their employees, you know, like it's it's very clear that they took their 568 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:49,039 time there. So do you think there was any pivot that happened in between 569 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,440 the rumors and the announcement. I'd want to say there could be, But 570 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,599 if we look at Xbox's history, this kind of thing has happened before, 571 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,639 where they're it's like, oh, your Xbox one needs to have an Internet 572 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:07,519 connection at all times to play games, and what happened that was a big 573 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,719 of it. So I think that there's a there's a there's a very likely 574 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,320 chance. But at the same time, I also think that Xbox is in 575 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,760 a situation where, I mean not just Xbox, every company money speaks. 576 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,360 And if they're looking at a chart and they can see how much money they 577 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,840 would make by putting some of these other titles and make them available, like 578 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:35,360 I need a Jones Starfield whatnot, I think that that would that would force 579 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,039 their hand to go through with something like that and ignore the reception, because 580 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,760 I mean, who who's all complaining? Is it like our PlayStation people complaining 581 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,639 like, oh we can't get let me rephrase that, our PlayStation people complaining 582 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:53,119 that, oh, Xbox is gonna make Starfield on other consoles. I don't 583 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,719 think that community is complaining. The only people complain are just Xbox. But 584 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,719 they've already made their money off of those people, so if they put it 585 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,760 on a PlayStation console, they're gonna make even more money. So yeah, 586 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,440 it's just their They're one fan base that they're alienating. Really yeah, and 587 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:14,920 I mean they're potentially removing people's faith in them as a company, and they're 588 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,079 like, well, why would I get the next Xbox if I am gonna 589 00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:22,079 get some games? Whatever the games I'm interested. Let's say you are to 590 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,199 see if thieves Van. Yeah, well shit, I'm just gonna go buy 591 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,960 PlayStation next because I'll get the sequel to that game and all the DLC over 592 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,239 there. I don't have to have them this Xbox that just has less exclusive 593 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,599 than PlayStation otherwise, right, and if they're other than that, just pretty 594 00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,559 much the same console in terms of power and capabilities. It's like makes that 595 00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:43,840 decision even easier. So let's take our first break and we'll get right back 596 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:49,400 and we have even more to discuss with this. Okay, we are back, 597 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,559 So I want to ask you about this too, Like, what do 598 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,679 you think the future plans are gonna be? I pulled a couple quotes, 599 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,880 so they talked about how these games going over to the platforms are gonna, 600 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,159 I have business value, They're gonna bring people to Xbox. As I mentioned 601 00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:06,079 earlier, Phil was als talking about how you believes the future of games is 602 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:08,280 going to move away from exclusivity, and he wants to build Xbox as a 603 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,400 place for developers to go at developers that are, you know, not looking 604 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,880 to make exclusive titles. Kind of a weird point, but if you listen 605 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,920 to the podcasts, I'm sure you worded it in a more nuanced way than 606 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,480 I just did reciteing it. But what do you think we can expect moving 607 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:27,159 forward? Because I feel like maybe right now to play for them is okay? 608 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,719 Do these four games we committed to it. They haven't announced what these 609 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,719 games are yet, right, so we don't know how long that will take 610 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,800 for the announcements and then the games to come out on these other platforms. 611 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,480 But wait, see how that goes, see what the reception is, see 612 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,400 what the numbers are on it, and then I think maybe at that point 613 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,000 decide what the future is gonna be, what their games could get that treatment. 614 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,360 But yeah, what do you do you think there's any games that we 615 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,079 currently announced for Xbox that you think will eventually end up coming to these other 616 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:55,280 platforms. Ah, it's hard to say. So the games you mean games 617 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,719 that haven't been like that are games that are announced but I haven't come out 618 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,960 yet, that haven't come out yet. They're like fables, Yeah, things 619 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,960 like that. Yeah, that's that'd be interesting. I mean, it's hard 620 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,199 to think about it. If that would actually be the case, I'll throw 621 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,840 I'll throw some at you and let me know you think. I mentioned stave 622 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,719 K two, but what about Stata K three and that eventually comes out co 623 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,719 op game. Does that make sense to have on multiple platforms? I I 624 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,880 want to say yes, But at the same time, I feel like, 625 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,599 well, how are people supposed to go back and play the other ones? 626 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:29,719 And maybe that's that's the kicker though. Maybe Hey, we're going to be 627 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,360 doing this, as you said, to bring people coming in or bring people 628 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,760 in towards Xbox, and Okay, people want to play these other versions of 629 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,639 this franchise, this series, then yeah, I gotta get an Xbox and 630 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,519 I can play the first and second one, So that's totally justifiable. I 631 00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,800 think state to K three you could see that because as far as I'm aware, 632 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,199 I'm still kind of immersed in the community. Well I don't play the 633 00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,039 game really anymore. I still see that there's a rich community involved with it 634 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:58,079 and people are just crazy about that game. Where the frick is that game? 635 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,079 I'm so surprised that we have we haven't gone update on that in a 636 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:05,480 long time. I know I'm waiting day That's a day one for me immediately, 637 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,400 so I'm very excited to check it out too. Since it's a game 638 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,199 pass, what about avowed or outer worlds too? Considering that these two other 639 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,320 Obsidian games are very likely going to come to other platforms. Outer Worlds the 640 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:22,280 first one was before the acquisition of Obsidian, so that is on Uh, 641 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,480 I don't it is on Switch? I think too, so yeah, it's 642 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,800 on all the other platforms. So I think Outer Worlds two makes a lot 643 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,119 of sense. Avowed is a new ip, but it still is like it 644 00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,079 seems like a lot of Obsidian games are getting that treatment of coming out of 645 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,679 platforms. What do you think about those two? Yeah, that's that's definitely 646 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,480 a possibility. Then I guess if they if they already have that kind of 647 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:45,400 a good rapport of putting out those developers titles that I mean, I could 648 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:51,800 absolutely see that. Is this something too that we think? I mean they 649 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,679 they they said platforms, right, so we can just assume it's PlayStation and 650 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,360 Nintendo Switch. I think, like I think switch where the switch is capable 651 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,679 of running these games, right, but even then there could be streaming versions. 652 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:07,960 But I mean like if the Switch is powerful enough to play the game, 653 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,280 that I think it will come to Switch. So like Ki Fi Rush 654 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,079 is a game that I think is possible. I think Pentament Ground at nc 655 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,039 if Thieves, I think all those probably should be able to run on a 656 00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:21,880 switch hopefully, I mean at the very least the Switch to which is maybe 657 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,760 coming out later this year or within the next fiscal year. Because I was 658 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,199 curious. Not every title is not every Xbox title that has come out has 659 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:37,000 been immediately released on PC. I think Halo five is an example of that. 660 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,960 Back in the day when Halo five came out consoles TOI a while and 661 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,440 finally they put it on PC. I think they've been pretty consistent with that 662 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,239 since like series X release though, right have they've been Okay, that would 663 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,559 make sense. I can think of another one that didn't. I mean there's 664 00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,679 been some games that are like only on PC, like are a History, 665 00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:59,320 I'm told I believe like that we got in the developer direct. I think 666 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,679 that's just a piece see game, right, So there's other there's games like 667 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,079 that that exist. Okay. I wasn't sure if it was something maybe like 668 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,599 they'd still kind of hold out on Sony and put it like more on like 669 00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,400 yeah, PC and switch and whatnot. Because I still feel like, yeah, 670 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,119 when you said Out of Worlds is on switch, I mean that's just 671 00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:22,320 that's fantastic and it's just crazy to think that Switch has that glove from Microsoft 672 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,920 more than PlayStation does at this time, right, And that's why I'd like 673 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,920 to hear those conversations like is this is Xbox really pushing forward and Sony's kind 674 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,239 of apprehensive, like no, we don't really want that, or yeah, 675 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,480 yeah, I mean another angle of this that we me and Travis talked about 676 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,880 is like, does could this mean that game Pass is coming to these other 677 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,000 platforms and therefore that's why they're putting these games there so they have more of 678 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,920 a roster. But they talked about in this very birthag just like yeah, 679 00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:52,199 game Pass not coming to other platforms, Like they kind of deconfirmed that for 680 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,079 the time being, So that's fine. The other one, the last one, 681 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,119 I guess, is once again ever wild if that does come out, 682 00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:00,719 if that's to be believed, very similar to see if these ter of format, 683 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,320 but just a different setting a new IP. I think we could very 684 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,800 well see that one come to other platforms as well. That makes a lot 685 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,119 of sense. Keep that multiplayer multiplayer games having as many players as possible, 686 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:14,320 that makes a lot of sense. And then other than that, like there 687 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,239 aren't really a whole lot that screamed to me. That scream out to me 688 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,360 as being obvious games that are gonna come to other platforms. And I think 689 00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:23,239 when you look at it like High Fight, Russian Pentiment, I imagine those 690 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,280 games had much smaller budgets than your typical Triple A game. Pentiment, for 691 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,960 sure. They were also games. High Fight Rush got shadow dropped, and 692 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,039 then Pentment got announced at the June Showcase, came out that November. I 693 00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,920 think it was so games that had very quick turnaround. So I feel like 694 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,840 other games that we're gonna see companies other platforms could be in that wheelhouse where 695 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,480 they are smaller games, games that we don't currently have announced but might even 696 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,760 get announced at the June Showcase, come out in the fall a year later, 697 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,360 come out on PlayStation. I could see that kind of thing happening as 698 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,239 well. So I feel like those smaller, more quote unquote budget titles, 699 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,559 I think we could see that thing happening a lot more. They did confirm 700 00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:06,880 this that they are doing their June Showcase. That's not a shocking take. 701 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,159 They probably already said that elsewhere, but it's nice to have that to look 702 00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:14,719 forward to. What else they talked about or anything else on the games side, 703 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,599 are doing to move one of these other touch points we can move on. 704 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:21,119 Yeah, so they finally confirmed that, you know, since the Activision 705 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:24,119 Blizzard acquisition, as of March twenty eighth, that'll be the first time any 706 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:28,280 of those games are coming onto game Pass. Diablo four is going to be 707 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,559 the first one. So that's coming at the end of March, so that's 708 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,360 awesome. That's good. That's within less than a year of the game coming 709 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,119 out proper, so I think the timing is pretty decent on that. I 710 00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,519 was a little bummed that that's all they mentioned for that. I hope there's 711 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:44,199 other games with that, but they just headline it with the A Blow and 712 00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,360 then maybe there's other smaller games that are old games that they don't feel like 713 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,480 mentioning in this way. But I think that's one of the things I'm most 714 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,079 excited for with that acquisition is just like all the random, smaller old games 715 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:57,559 that exist that I'll be able to go check out and just maybe play ten 716 00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,440 minutes of I'm like, I'm not for me, cancel out, try another 717 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,840 one, and just download all these new games. I mean, I owned 718 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,679 Diablo four, so that's also why I'm not as excited for it. However, 719 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,599 it runs like shit on my PCs. So to be able to play 720 00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:15,079 it on my Xbox with sixty frames or hopefully sixty frames, I mean, 721 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,519 who even those these days with a freaking Series X. But yeah, that's 722 00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:21,559 that's a cool one. You're gonna be checking out Diablo four? Do you 723 00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,760 think, Oh, it's it's been on my mind, but it's it's the 724 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:30,440 way down the list, Okay, yeah, I mean multiplayer could be fun, 725 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:34,800 jumping down your little campaign together. We'll see. They also talked about 726 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,880 hardware in a way that I felt was kind of weird and ambiguous. They 727 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:44,320 said that they have exciting stuff coming out in hardware this holiday, and then 728 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,199 they're gonna that's They didn't necessarily say this is this year, but they said 729 00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:52,119 that their next generation roadmap is gonna be the largest technical leap of all time, 730 00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,000 which is just wordless mumbo jumble in my opinion, because they say that 731 00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:59,480 every time the Terror flops or the Series X, all these things alway talking 732 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,719 about it's goning this huge technical leap, and I believe them, But then 733 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,440 Starfield comes out its fucking thirty frames and like just shitty graphics. I'm like, 734 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,760 what are you guys talking about? Like this is why is this locked 735 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,000 at thirty frames? I'm so salty at this, So I'll believe it when 736 00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:17,039 I see it with that. Show me the Starfield one hundred and twenty frames 737 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:22,159 patch for that new console, and I'll believe you. But yeah, what 738 00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:25,599 do you think this exciting stuff coming out this halid This holiday is for hardware. 739 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,760 There's been some rumors recently of like a handheld like a switch thing or 740 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,760 a Steam Deck equivalent for Xbox, which they've not ventured into prior. But 741 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,320 yeah, what do you what do you expect for this hardware? Uh? 742 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,280 I would love to see their holow lens kind of make a proper jump into 743 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,519 gaming. I remember a few e three's ago, Xbox unveiled their holow 744 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:53,639 lens and they had someone basically wearing it and basically looking around like they were 745 00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:57,960 in a hangar bay of a unsc ship at Halo and they could see out 746 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,039 the windows and they had they were playing Minecraft with the two They were world 747 00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,480 building and building everything in Minecraft on this on their coffee table. It was 748 00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:09,079 really really cool, and it's the tech is there. It's just been really 749 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,480 focused and drifted away from the gaming and turned into other things, I think 750 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,519 primarily manufacturing, engineering, construction, healthcare, education, that sort of stuff. 751 00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,960 So it's really been pulled aside from the gaming aspect. And when you 752 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,880 look at it, like everyone's and for rightfully, So everyone's raving about this 753 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,719 app. I think it's Apple Vision, but yes, I mean that's essentially 754 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,920 what the Holo lenses. The whole lens is almost pretty much identical. You 755 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,920 can pop up your calls in real time while you're working on real time and 756 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,760 whatnot. So transition that more into the gaming aspect because I think that there's 757 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:46,400 there's untapped potential there. While VR tech is one thing, I think that 758 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,320 if they can really nail down just like no remotes in your hands, like 759 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,079 what does the assassins Creed Nexus, I think I know you got remotes with 760 00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:59,079 that, but just kind of like polished a little bit, a little more 761 00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:04,679 refinement. I'd like this that tech kind of make it there. I respect 762 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,119 that, but I don't want them to go down. It's just like I'm 763 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:10,679 not gonna buy it. I don't. I feel like they're already spreads out 764 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,880 there, like I don't know if I I don't know if I want that, 765 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,559 but yeah, for your sake, I hope they do it. I 766 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,440 think it would be cool if they did the handheld of some degree, especially 767 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,480 with you know, PlayStation out being in that market anymore. I mean, 768 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,639 they have the portal now, but I think something that's not a streaming device 769 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,840 now. Xbox is so big in the streaming game that I feel like their 770 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,400 coir version of that would be like a streaming based thing, but I I 771 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,079 don't think i'd buy it, almost like a download games on it playoff line, 772 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,760 so it would be more of like a powerful version of what is it 773 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,320 like the I can't remember the name of it, just the cloud, because 774 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,239 I mean Ruben showed me where he had an Xbox one controller and he popped 775 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,239 his cell phone into it and he was playing Halo five multi parts, Like 776 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,400 this is wild that he's doing this on his phone. Yeah, I no, 777 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,199 I guess. I guess that's a really good point. So I that 778 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:06,280 would probably lend to it not being a cloud only device because they already kind 779 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,280 of yeah, they already kind of have that as an offering, So it 780 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,119 would need to be something that has inherent power of its own that I could 781 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,440 run games. But like, are they gonna get Starfield running on one of 782 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,480 those things if they can barely run on a Series X like, I don't 783 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,639 know if that's like hard to believe, you know, all those terror flops 784 00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:23,960 in your hand. It would be like thirty pounds for that device. So 785 00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:30,840 I don't know. I just don't see a revision or an update to the 786 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,239 Xbox series right now, Like I don't see them ad in a new series 787 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,400 XS, like I don't know what the next series d. I don't see 788 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:43,599 them implementing that quite yet. Maybe I guess they could, like they haven't 789 00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:46,760 really done any hardware updates for this generation yet, right, do you think 790 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,000 we could get like a connect bar add on? Oh my god, No, 791 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,280 I don't think so. I would. I would strongly advise them against 792 00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,360 doing such a thing. I think the smart thing is a portable thing or 793 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:06,760 some really cheap version of the console that's like essentially like a streaming stick, 794 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,639 like a series s light even you know, just like a way easier entry 795 00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:13,679 point for people to jump in, because I think those those things like a 796 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,760 smaller, cheaper handheld thing, even if it is locked to like it has 797 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,280 to stream games, or just like something you can plug directly in your TV 798 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,599 like, I think they just want to find ways to get as many people 799 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,760 playing their games as possible. I don't know if I don't know if they 800 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,159 need a huge, big expensive console right now, if they're talking about their 801 00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:30,639 next generation going to be that, because that means it's gonna be a big 802 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:35,119 expensive console, right So that's a good I guess, a good self confirmation 803 00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,440 because there's people seeing you know, and we've even talked about this, me 804 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,599 and Travis that with this announcement, if like Xbox goes the way of being 805 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:44,519 a publisher and just releasing games on other platforms and not doing hardware anymore, 806 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,119 so it's good to see that they are doing hardware. They confirmed, Yes, 807 00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,559 we are still doing hardware. Don't worry about that. We're still gonna 808 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:55,039 make xboxes going forward. So that's good. Probably a quick shout out, 809 00:51:55,079 --> 00:52:00,320 but they just they talked a little bit in there about wanting to put your 810 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,199 game library, is game preservation that sort of thing, and making sure that 811 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,719 you can backwards compatibility to play old games. Games aren't going anywhere across saved 812 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,599 cross play across these different titles. So nothing really new or shocking there, 813 00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:15,000 but I like that I like, hopefully I can play my games forever more 814 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,960 and hopefully they get even better with that, because there's been certain things like 815 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,199 I stuck Fable loss chapters in my series X and it doesn't work, and 816 00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:27,079 that's weird. That's a first party Xbox owned game, and instead it's because 817 00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:30,519 they have the remaster thing available on game Pass, so it's like a lot 818 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:32,639 and you just go download that. But then that version has like a shitty 819 00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:36,639 camera that makes me motion sick. It's like, let me stick this thing 820 00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:38,760 in my console. So I don't think they're going to add more games necessarily, 821 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:44,360 but I guess sticking to that meaning that whatever the next generation is going 822 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,639 to be, all your old games are still going to be safety and still 823 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:51,440 play Xbox original games on your newest Xbox, which is great, and I 824 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,360 want every console I want tend to do that. I want PlayStation to do 825 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,719 that PlayStation to do that. So good that they are keeping that up, 826 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:04,199 but it's now obviously that's that's older games and whatnot. But I think the 827 00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:07,800 the comfort of them doing that still stands in the wake of UBI stuff saying 828 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,000 get used to get comfortable with not owning your games anymore, and so Xbox 829 00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,960 is just like, hey, be comfortable with with you know, we're gonna 830 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,760 we're gonna support you with those old titles everything like that. So the right 831 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:23,679 move. Yeah, uh, Taylor, Is there anything else on this podcast 832 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:30,239 any info that came out of this that we've mentioned? Yeah? I don't 833 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,559 think so. I think that's everything I could think of. Okay, when 834 00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:37,400 do you think we'll get the first announcement of the first game coming to PlayStation 835 00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:44,360 Mark? I mean, is that too shame June showcase thing? I feel 836 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,519 like they maybe do it outside the June Showcase. I think they want the 837 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:51,039 June Showcase to be Xbox first party games exclusives. Like, I think they 838 00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:53,039 just do this as separate announcements. Outside of that, I would agree, 839 00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,480 But at the same time, I could see them thinking like, oh yeah, 840 00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:59,159 like Phil, Phil's thinking like, yeah, this is gonna be huge. 841 00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:02,599 Everyone's gonna be just totally like blown away by how we tackle this and 842 00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:07,719 present to other consoles at our own showcase. But true, yeah, I 843 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,960 mean, other other than that, it would be hard for me to really 844 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,000 pinpoint a certain month. I would definitely think it's it's spring for sure. 845 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,440 Prior to the June showcase for sure, right, Yeah, I think we 846 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,360 probably know about all four of them before that showcase would be. Yeah. 847 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,320 And the fact that just because of this this podcast, I feel like, 848 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,960 Okay, this is the things that they they mentioned. It makes it tells 849 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,480 me that, Okay, they're much more further along with this than then I 850 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,079 probably expected. And the fact that we had all these rumors in leaks and 851 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:42,440 they wanted to come forward and put this information the statement out to clarify everything 852 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,440 out there before they have their official announcement. I think that just goes to 853 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:51,480 show that they are very close to unveiling this officially. Yeah, for sure. 854 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:53,840 Yeah. And plus I mean, I guess it'll kind of go into 855 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,039 topic into another, or it'll segue into another topic that you're going to be 856 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:00,320 bringing up. But just the fact that there's maybe be not necessarily a lot 857 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:06,360 of titles really releasing on another console, and here you have Xbox, Like, 858 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,159 hey, and I joked about this in the discord, Xbox is releasing 859 00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:14,719 titles for PlayStation or PlayStation can kind of back off on releasing titles. Yeah, 860 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,960 let's let's let's get right into that. So our next, uh, 861 00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:22,079 our next set up topics here is for is for Sony and the PS five, 862 00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,920 which you know, me and you are not PS five owners, So 863 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,719 maybe we are not the best people to be breaking this down, but I 864 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,880 think it's still important news to have in here. So there's kind of been 865 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,840 some reports coming out of just the state of Sony and some of their conversations 866 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,519 going on here, and one thing that seems like they are going to be 867 00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:43,079 focusing on, well, this is all very much rumors, So until they 868 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:47,480 post their official Sony podcast and confirm or deconfirm these things, take it with 869 00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:50,880 a grain of salt. But one thing they want to be doing in the 870 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,639 future is going deeper, pushing deeper into the PC in terms of either maybe 871 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,679 launching games day and date on the platform, or maybe being quicker about it, 872 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,480 or maybe putting more games on PC. This being there like first party 873 00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:06,719 game. So big example that just came out of course is Hell Divers two, 874 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,800 which is a game that's having huge success right now, one for Travis's 875 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,599 draft list that's doing some good points from there, but also just like sales 876 00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,880 wise, it's huge, so huge that they've had to like put a cap 877 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,519 on how many players can even access the game because their servers are just like 878 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,440 burning there in theirs there. So that's that's the kind of excess you want. 879 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,119 You want to have those kind of problems at your studio. But yeah, 880 00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:31,079 that was a Sony first person or not first person first party, it 881 00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:34,400 isn't even first party. It might even be third party. But it's an 882 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,320 exclusive game, is what I'm trying to say, and launch a day and 883 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,960 Date on PC, and that's doing really well for them, so it seems 884 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,599 like that's something they want to do more now. I don't think we'll ever 885 00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:47,800 get to the point where Spider Man three or God of War, Valhalla Odyssey, 886 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,840 whatever the next game is gonna be called. I don't think any of 887 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,679 those will ever be in day date with PC. But I think it'd be 888 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,519 cool if they had their games come out quicker, because it seems really inconsistent 889 00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,920 where you have one game that's maybe like a later and then some of them 890 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,159 it's like three or four years later when they're already kind of past due another 891 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,480 big games so that people still play them. But it'd be cool to see 892 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,440 more of that, and even from just like yeah, maybe not those big 893 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,559 first party games, but even smaller titles or these remasters which I think they 894 00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,480 already are kind of doing. Maybe some of those Last of US remasters came 895 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:22,760 out PC same date whatever. So yeah, I think that's cool. That's 896 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,719 a good thing. Any thoughts on that one. I mean, there's definitely 897 00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:34,679 my computer. It can definitely handle some of these these crazier games. Not 898 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,800 all of them, but some of them. And so the idea that some 899 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,840 of these titles that I can't play on my Xbox are dropping on PC it 900 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:46,519 gets me super super happy. I've been eyeballing Spider Man like weekly. I'm 901 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:51,159 just waiting for that right Steam sale. Like it doesn't it doesn't go below 902 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,760 a certain price range, the lowest percent it's gone. Oh so I can't 903 00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:01,239 remember, but I think it's dropped to around like forty two forty five from 904 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,760 It's like, that's interesting because I feel like those games go really cheap on 905 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,920 like PlayStation store. Really do they? Yeah? Because I remember like God 906 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:14,199 of War it drops down to like ten fifteen bucks. I've never seen Spider 907 00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:15,320 Man go that low, and if it did, I would be an Instabut 908 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,239 maybe maybe Spider Man has maybe Marvel's not willing to give up that bag. 909 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,280 I don't know how it works there, but I'm just waiting for for that 910 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:28,159 and the like the Miles game is obviously a base costs it is cheaper and 911 00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:30,960 so it definitely goes down. It's a little bit lower. But I that's 912 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,599 that's what I want to play later. I want to get the Original Spider 913 00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:36,840 Man first. I'm just yeah, exactly, So I'm just waiting for that 914 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:43,639 one to go. But then there is oh my goodness, why Norman Ritash, 915 00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:46,119 thank you? Yeah, that's Stranning Bats on PC two, and so 916 00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:49,280 eventually I'll get it. I'll get around. That's all my phones now, 917 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,119 I think, actually, is it really? Which is insane? I mean, 918 00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:54,559 I don't know if it's some streaming tech I can't remember. I can't 919 00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:58,639 imagine an iPhone milling to run that game, but what do I know? 920 00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:06,119 There's also I think did they do that Day one? Pius is a PlayStation 921 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,440 game? Was it Day one or it was like on the most days gone? 922 00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:13,440 Yes? I think that one dropped on PC as well. I totally 923 00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:20,039 think makes sense. You might be right, yeah, Day's gone on Steam. 924 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,320 Uh so there's a few that I i'd like to try. H And 925 00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:29,880 it's slow, it's slow moving, right, like these games take years sometimes 926 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,840 and there's still some that haven't come or haven't got an announcement or it's been 927 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,480 like years. So it does like I don't think Ghostsushima, right, Oh, 928 00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:46,800 I think that is is actually Sushima Stem Ghosts of Shit. Oh no 929 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,400 PC. So there you go. That game comes on twenty twenty and that's 930 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,280 so, I mean, do they plan to bring that over that they do, 931 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,239 It's like, damn, that's unfortunately you have to wait that long if 932 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,599 you're a PC player, so it's an exclusive of course. But I'm curious 933 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:02,960 to see how this will change with games going forward to them, if this 934 01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,920 is truly anything that they're gonna be changing in the bigger, grander scheme of 935 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,599 things. I also want to bring in this to that there was just a 936 01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:16,360 clown on Xbox a little bit here, But like Phil Spencer this interview, 937 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,519 and I'm just gonna read as quick as he says this is about Hell Divers, 938 01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:22,639 I will say when I look at a game like Hell Divers too, 939 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,400 and it's a great game. Kudos to the team shipping on PC and PlayStation. 940 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,719 I'm not exactly sure who it helps in the industry by it not being 941 01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:34,000 on Xbox. If you try to twist yourself to say like somehow that benefited 942 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,320 somebody somewhere. But I get it. There's a legacy and console gaming that 943 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,320 we're going to benefit by shipping games and not putting them in other places we 944 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,480 do the same thing, So I just want to bring that because as fun 945 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,119 as funn it's like he's so like holier than that, Like you just announced 946 01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:52,800 this thing fucking earlier this week that you're gonna eventually bring some small game. 947 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,159 It's not like you guys are bringing all your platforms all over the place. 948 01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:57,800 Yes, you're doing the PC thing, but it just came off as like 949 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,960 a bit cheesy on the timing of over I don't know, just giving himself 950 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:08,639 like overflating his ego a bit, especially when in that Xbox podcast Sarah Bond 951 01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:12,480 was like bragging about Power World and she's like, Oh, this is such 952 01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:15,119 a huge release, such a big exclusive that we had here. But it's 953 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,400 like, is that not game the same? Does that not have the same 954 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,800 logic as something like a hell Divers? Like who does it help buy a 955 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,159 Power World not being on PlayStation? So I don't know, I just found 956 01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:28,679 their word in there to be a bit goofy. Maybe I'm reading into it 957 01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:30,000 to me, No, No, I think you're right. I feel like 958 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,880 I feel like someone could go in and talk to Bill Spencer be like, 959 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,480 hey, so did you see they announced like a new Spider Man title on 960 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:42,239 PlayStation it's an exclusive? Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, And 961 01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:44,639 then you leave the room and you go back ten minutes later, it's like, 962 01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:46,559 so, what do you what do you think about that PlayStation exclusive game? 963 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,159 He's like, what they're putting a PlayStation exclusive? Like he just I 964 01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:53,360 feel like he forgets that exclusives are a thing. And then then there's this 965 01:01:53,599 --> 01:02:00,159 hypocrisy and it's been like clearly a huge success for PlayStation's business planning, a 966 01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,719 big deal for them. So I don't like, is Hell Divers too hurting 967 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,280 at all? Like to not be on Xbox, Like, yeah, there 968 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,679 would be more sales there, but like they can't even house the amount of 969 01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:12,880 players with their fricking servers. So I think they're doing fine. Phil, 970 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,239 Like, get off your high horse here and go release these games before you 971 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,639 start talking shit on everyone else not releasing their game. Absolutely, Hell Divers 972 01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:23,320 is definitely something that's creeped into my field division Rubens telling me about it. 973 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,320 And so he sent me some videos and yeah, it looks great, well, 974 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,760 looks wonderful. Someday I'd love to check it out. What else was 975 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:37,079 there here? So? Uh, I guess one thing is they they for 976 01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:39,440 this fiscal year, you know, ending in March and March whatever it is, 977 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:44,000 they they were anticipating twenty five million PS fives to be sold, it's 978 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,239 gonna be they're rounding that down to twenty one million now, so it seems 979 01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:50,559 like they're undersold this year. Now. I still sold a shit ton of 980 01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,400 consoles, but you know, under there, so maybe a little bit disappointed 981 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,360 on that side. There was this quote that came out that was a bit 982 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,159 weird where one of the get who it is, the Sony VP, you 983 01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:07,679 know me, Matt Suoco about the PS five entering talking about the PS five 984 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,960 entering the latter stage of its life cycle instead of the latter half. So 985 01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,480 just an interesting thing talking about like, Okay, maybe they're like already winding 986 01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:21,679 down on the PS five to some extent, and within like a year or 987 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,239 two that would be getting the next generation, which you know, makes sense 988 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,320 on paper to a certain extent because it's usually what like six to eight years 989 01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:35,199 between console generations maybe even five to eight, and the PS five and the 990 01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:37,119 Series X came out in twenty twenty the end of twenty twenty, right, 991 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:40,599 so they've been out for a while now. But I guess it's just surprising 992 01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:46,000 to me because of this next point two, which is that apparently there are 993 01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:52,039 no more like big first party Sony games coming out until then until next fiscal 994 01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:55,440 year, so like March of twenty twenty five. So obviously we have Final 995 01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,880 Fantasy Reworth coming out in a few days, and that's a big, gets 996 01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,039 huge game. But then after that, like, yes, you have Stellar 997 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,559 Blade or as their Ronan, but like who knows how big those games are 998 01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:06,840 gonna be, how good they're gonna be, But you're not gonna get any 999 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:13,760 other big Sony PlayStation game until like a year away, which is crazy to 1000 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,280 me. So that like the combo of all this news is kind of like, 1001 01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:18,199 you know, not like turmoil, not like they're hurting or anything. 1002 01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:24,039 They're still doing great, but it's just it's just interesting with the timing of 1003 01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:27,320 Okay, if they're not gonna have games for a while and the PlayStation five 1004 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,440 is winding down, like what does that really mean for this generation? I 1005 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,360 feel like PS five as a whole, and you know, maybe it's because 1006 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,480 I'm not in the platform. I don't have it. I'm not playing these 1007 01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:39,360 games, but like, what have the exclusives been for this generation? It's 1008 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,760 like you had a Ratchet and Clank, you had Spider Man two, I 1009 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,519 guess Eternal and then I guess Final Fantasy is coming out. Like that's kind 1010 01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:50,920 of it. Really. Everything else is like God of War, Horizon, 1011 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,280 those Role PS four games as well. So I don't know what my big 1012 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,719 point here at the end of all this is, but it's just it's just 1013 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,000 very interesting. I guess looking at the current state of PlayStation we know that 1014 01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:04,599 a lot of these live service games that they planned have been canceled. So 1015 01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:09,559 if that's maybe hurting their release calendar, I'm not too sure, but yeah, 1016 01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,440 just kind of some weird stuff going over on the Sony side of things. 1017 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,960 Yeah, that's it's it's it's really just bonkers to think that we're only 1018 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,199 four years in and to look at a console and think, yeah, it's 1019 01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:25,519 kind of at the it's coming to the end end of it's a it's its 1020 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:29,320 cycle right now. Yeah, when you think about the titles that were released 1021 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:35,320 on it. I don't think there's anything that's really nothing that's really really groundbreaking. 1022 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,239 I would say either it just seems like, yeah, they put out 1023 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,360 one and then that's that's kind of it for a franchise, and maybe that's 1024 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,360 a lot of just like big sequels. But yeah, nothing exactly, nothing 1025 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,360 new, no big new, huge new IP. I mean, Returnal is 1026 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,480 a very successful game, is a very cool game, but it still feels 1027 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:57,079 like it's not quite in that top echelon of the developers or IP. Right, 1028 01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:00,519 Yeah, when you look at I mean it's hard to when you look 1029 01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:01,920 at a three sixty and a PS three, But at PS three you have 1030 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,079 like the en Charted trilogy. Xbox you have Last US one even, yeah, 1031 01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:10,719 Last of Us one even, and the Xbox three sixty you have Gears 1032 01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,920 of Wars. You have Halos, multiple Halos, and multiple years of Wars 1033 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,000 all on that console. And so I think that's what really makes that console 1034 01:06:16,039 --> 01:06:23,440 stance stronger. And it's understandable because the technology is just an accelerated rate. 1035 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:29,039 It's the series XPS five is is outdated at this point now with with what 1036 01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,800 they have, so it just means, yeah, shorter spans, not eight 1037 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,400 year waiting periods anymore consoles are. Yeah, it's four to six years now 1038 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,440 before we get that next gen probably and it'll be even more powerful, But 1039 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,119 it gives less time to develop a game. When you look at a game 1040 01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:45,559 and the time it takes to produce it, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, 1041 01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:48,800 what two years, three years? Not even Some teams are probably forced to 1042 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,519 be like a year get this game out there, right, Like, yeah, 1043 01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:56,320 I don't even think that's pos anymore unless your games like Pentiment, like 1044 01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,800 that's the only scale of like Triple A and like Dot made by a Triple 1045 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,440 A studio, but you wouldn't even say it's a Triple A game, right, 1046 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,920 It's made by like a handful of people over there at Obsidian. But 1047 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:11,119 like, yeah, games just take so freaking long, especially these Sony games 1048 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,960 that are huge prestige titles that they're taking their time with them. They're hitting 1049 01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:15,760 and they're massive games. But yeah, it's like what you need to get 1050 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,119 one one game out per consolo as like a developer over there. Now, 1051 01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:25,000 it's insane. Mm hmm. Yeah, So I think that's it's almost like 1052 01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:28,360 a double edged sword kind of shoots himself in the foot a little bit because 1053 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,119 it's just the need to hire more people to spend more time developing these games 1054 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:38,000 and get these these games out, have more have more studios working on them, 1055 01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:43,280 like Call of Duty has games dropping every year, yeah, Hunt Studio 1056 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,719 games, Yeah, something like that, without diluting the quality, I guess, 1057 01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:50,360 m h yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting stuff. And you know, 1058 01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:54,880 like with that latter stage of the cycle, like we're very much reading 1059 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,840 into a quote here, which could even be a translation lost in translation sort 1060 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,119 of, So whodos are really means? Like, I still think there's gonna 1061 01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:05,679 be a ton of new PS five games, and then even then it's like 1062 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,039 we look at the PS five and I'm sure a lot of those games that 1063 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,000 are in that like last year of development or in the same way God of 1064 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,479 War and Horizon had new games come out on PS five, but we're still 1065 01:08:15,479 --> 01:08:18,000 in PS four. PS five is gonna have that two. Naturally, there's 1066 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,239 gonna be a bunch of games that are gonna come out on that along with 1067 01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:24,039 the PS six eventually down the road. So I think we'll get to that 1068 01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:26,760 point with the PS five, Like Destraining two that's gonna be a huge one. 1069 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,960 Wolverine will be another big one. We don't really know what the other 1070 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,199 one's gonna be. We have to assume Ghost of Sushima IWI, maybe another 1071 01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:34,960 God of War game, maybe another Horizon game, I mean Horizon. They've 1072 01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:38,880 they're setting up a sequel there with the ending of the second one, so 1073 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:43,000 I'm sure it's gonna happen, so they they'll eventually get to that point. 1074 01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:45,039 But yeah, it's like, well, we're not gonna get really much of 1075 01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,199 that for the next few months here, so I don't know what. It 1076 01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:53,199 might just be a little unexciting, especially when you have Final Fantasy coming out 1077 01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:55,840 in a few days and then it's gonna be like a real big dry spell, 1078 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,479 unless they do have some surprise hits, or maybe they'll pour some money 1079 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,079 into picking up a couple of third party games and turning them exclusive. Maybe 1080 01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:05,359 that'll be part of their business planner, or maybe just the other third party 1081 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:09,159 developers will turn up and have a ton of games released this year. We 1082 01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:12,399 still, yeah, there's a lot of the calendar year that we don't know 1083 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,199 a whole lot of so kind of remains to be seen. But kind of 1084 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:17,760 a bummer, I would I would think, I mean, for me, 1085 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,119 it's actually kind of better because I'm like, I'm really holding off on this 1086 01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:24,159 PS five purpose. It's like, I guess I can wait a whole another 1087 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:28,479 year and maybe just get that PS six in the future or this next pro 1088 01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:31,000 updated version, whatever it is. I don't even know what I'll do at 1089 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,000 this point. Maybe just waiting in the next console generation and skip on a 1090 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,640 couple of games, but I really don't want to miss that stranding, so 1091 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:42,159 we'll see what happens down the road. But yeah, any other thoughts on 1092 01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:47,359 Sony here with this stuff. No, I can't think of anything, all 1093 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,159 right, I think I think that's gonna do it. Then, Taylor, 1094 01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:54,479 this is a fun, fun episode, really good discussions here this week. 1095 01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,880 Next week's side quest, I think I'll be joined by Kirkland. He and 1096 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,560 I have not talked about games in a while because he's been busy. He's 1097 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,239 been away away with school, off on trips and all that stuff. So 1098 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,039 yeah, it'll be fun to have him back here talk about what the games 1099 01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:10,359 he's been playing and other news as I'm sure it's gonna be coming along maybe 1100 01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:13,439 in an Intendi direct pretty soon. Who knows what's going to happen. But 1101 01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,079 thank you Taylor for joining me, thank you ever for listening, and we'll 1102 01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:16,840 see you again next week. Bye bye,