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Gary Jeff Walker with you Thanksgiving week
and I am thankful for so many things,

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including tonight's show. I hope you
will be thankful when you hear it

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as well. Between now and midnight, all kinds of good stuff coming your

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way, including Chris to two point
zeros picks for week eleven. How did

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they work out? Not too good? But first Randy McNutt with a Nightcap

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edition of Rock and Roll Archaeology.
Randy is a writer and has traveled all

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over the country to the towns where
the music was made. Some good stories

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coming up in just a few minutes
here in the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW.

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It's the Nightcap seven WLW, and
I just threw that in because it's

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a fun song. We're talking with
Randy McNutt. It's a special night Camp

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edition of Rock and Roll Archaeology,
which you may hear with the music professor

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and myself on Saturday mornings. But
tonight we're interviewing the author who has traveled

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to all the places where the music
was made. Many books written, including

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Guitar Towns, and kind of focusing
our search on that particular tome, which

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I believe is out of print.
You usually get authors on the show,

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and you know they're trying to sell
books. Randy just said, no,

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I'll help you out. He's a
good guy. Randy McNutt, How are

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you pretty good? Gary? How
you doing? Buck? Faed's great to

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have you here. How many years
did you write for The Inquirer? Oh?

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Boy, twenty five plus? It
all bades sure, but you know

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you're you're you're the second former Inquirer
writer I have on tonight's show because Peter

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Bronson is also going to be here
before we're done. Oh yeah, Peter,

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great guy, yep, also a
fantastic author in his own right.

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So we picked four songs in our
time together tonight to kind of focus on

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in the stories behind them. When
you did Guitar Towns, you traveled to

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all the places that you could think
of or that you knew where the music

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emanated from originally, and talked to
the people who put those things together.

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How did that book actually come to
be in the first place? Randy well

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a little background in the early seventies
of his factory clerk at the most or

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Safe Company, and I met a
guy named Wayne Perry here in Hamilton,

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and we were both just determined to
make a record. So we did Jewel

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Recording in Mount Healthy and from there
it just sort of took off, and

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we were making records on a low
budget and traveling around. And I got

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the idea that I wanted to talk
to the pioneers of the forty five era,

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which I called about nineteen fifty five
to seventy five, sort of the

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golden age of the forty five.
And I wanted to get out and I

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wanted to meet these guys, and
I wanted to sit down and find out

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how they made records, how they
treated the record business and so forth,

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because I was making records and I
wanted to do know all I could.

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Sure, So I hit the road
with Wayne and we went around when the

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Nashville went all over the place,
I had a little different idea what I

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wanted to do. I didn't care
about radio anymore. It was just such

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a hassle to get records on the
radio. I wanted to make records with

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guys nobody knew, and I just
thought they were cool, you know,

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old rockabilly guys that were there at
the dawn of rock and country guys and

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things like that. And so I
went to these all these places and I

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did pick up a lot of a
lot of knowledge from the pioneers, and

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I was lucky that I caught them
before they got too old and retired and

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passed away. Tell me about how
I want to I want to get into

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play a little bit of these songs
that we're going to talk about specifically.

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So give me about a minute summation
on this first tune we're talking about,

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Okay, Seacrews. I went down
to New Orleans and I met a guy

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named Cosmo Matassa who was recording engineer, and he recorded just about every hit

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that came out of that place,
including Fats domin No's and he recorded Ernie

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K. Doe, mother in law
and all those and uh Cosmo uh found

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us. Uh, he found for
Frankie Ford, and he took him into

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the studio when he cut Seacrews.
What I like about that song was I

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think written by Hugheye Huey Smith,
Huey piano Smith, and uh, I

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loved that horn at the beginning.
I love the loved the sound effects on

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some of those old records, and
I UH a lot of those records from

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there were the rhythm band was Huey
Piano Smith's group, and there was a

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party sound that came out there.
All these towns had sort of a unique

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sound of their own, and New
Orleans was a party, party sound.

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Let's let's joined the party here for
a minute, and maybe we could recap

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on the other side. Frankie Ford
with Huey Piano Smith's band and that great

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sound effect horn and sea cruise old
man rhythm in my ee know, use

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the good Man thing in the blue
the Famous You've got nothing to do wrote

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every thing. You on a sea
cruin with baby, baby baby, won't

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risen take you all cruise by jumping
baby. Won't you join me? Please?

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I don't now all man and me. I got to get the wreck

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and get my hat on the wreck. I got to big second night,

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just the bet so be m Yet
you've got nothing to lose Walton figure all

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the crew boy Famous talking with Randy
McNutt on the Nightcap, a special edition

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of Rock and Roll Archaeology. That
of course Frankie Ford and Sea Crews.

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So you're down in New Orleans and
you walk into a bar and there's Frankie

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Ford. Is that what you're telling
me, Randy? Yeah, he was

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sitting at the piano and playing just
just Frankie and uh. I walked over

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to him and said, Hey,
Frankie, had you know I loved your

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record? I'd love to talk to
you. So we just sat down and

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he was a great guy. Based
on that one record, he had a

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career the rest of his life,
and I guess you could call him a

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one hit wonder, but he was
a wonder. I mean, that one

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record was so memorable that I think
Johnny Rivers cut the song and other people,

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but nobody did it like Frankie.
I saw. I saw a black

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and white recording of him on Dick
Clark's American Bandstand and he hops up into

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this ss surreal kind of lifesaver set
that they had built, and he's singing

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and he's swinging and he he just
looks like a really hap cat. You

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know. They found a decent looking
guy with a great song and a great

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band behind him, and that was
Seacrews. I want to talk We're Randy

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McNutt here on the Nightcap on seven
under WLW. I want to talk to

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you about our next record that we're
going to focus tonight. From your travels

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and what you know about Roy Head
Roy had was from the Houston area,

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a little town outside of there,
and he was a blue eyed soul singer

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and he was with the band and
they went into a local studio there and

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cut Treater right. Uh. That
one record just exploded and was an R

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and B head as well as rock. And Roy was a white guy and

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was getting a lot of play on
R and B stations with black DJs,

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and when some of them found out
he was white, they were reluctant to

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play it, but it got so
big that everybody had to play it.

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And Roy was an absolute character,
a wild man. And I met him

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down in Houston. He went on
his own. He said, Oh,

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all these guys in the band,
they're crazy. They want to be doctors

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and lloy and teachers. All I
want to do is sing. So he

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made a career out of that one
record, basically, and he sang up

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until he died a few years ago. But he was a wild man.

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He was kind of nutso oh yeah, yeah he Uh. I went into

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an eye hoop with him and it
was it was on Mother's Day. There

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was a long line of women and
guys and women are all decked out.

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They went to church. Roy just
drolls up the front of the line and

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he said, here I am,
and the waitress knew him and seated this

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and he sat there and talked about
all these things. And I remember he

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had pancakes and he put the Tabasco
sauce on it and yeah, and uh.

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He told me about treat Riot and
his travels, and he talked about

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the time he bit Elvis on the
on the leg. Yeah he said that.

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He tell me this, Yeah,
yeah, he said, I'll just

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read what he told me. Feeling
good, I walked in. I walked

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one of up to Elvis's bodyguards,
rich Davis, and he said, hey,

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you want to meet Elvis? I
said, why not? So he

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took me over to the Memphian Theater
about three in the morning. I still

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didn't believe him, though, so
Richie bet me a steak dinner that he

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could get me in. On the
way, he said, do you really

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want to meet the man? I
said, if you can get me in

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and see Elvis, man, I'll
fall down and I'll kiss his ass right

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on the spot. Well we went
in there, and I tell you it

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wasn't Elvis. It was a bronze
madonna, a guy with so much magnetism.

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I could feel it. Richie said, see, I told you.

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Yeah, Well, I don't know
what overcame me. I guess it was

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the milk cow blues. For some
reason, I ran up to Elvis,

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fell down and bit him on the
ankle. All of a sudden, the

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bunch of his bodyguards jumped on me. Fist flew. The next thing I

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knew, it was laying outside in
pain. They like to broke my shoulders.

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I ached all over, ended up
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Probably he was, you know,
on something. But yeah, Roy was

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a character, but so nice.
Most of these people were just so friendly

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and accommodating to me. I'll tell
you what. Let's listen to a little

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bit of Roy Head and the traits
and treat her right with Randy McNutt on

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the Nightcap Rock and Roll Archaeology and
here you go. All right, I

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wanna tell you a story every man, all and all. If you want

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to little love any man, you
gotta start with her soul. She's gonna

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love you tonight. Now if you
just treat her right now, all squeeze

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a little jump, God'll make her
feel good. Tell her that your love

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love like you know you should,
because if you don't treat her right now,

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she wanna love you tonight. If
you practice my methody just as hard

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as you can, you're gonna get
a reputation as a love and a man

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now, and you'll be glad every
night that you treated her right. News

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now. Hey. Deal between Israel
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as Israel's war cabinet gave its approval
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and around fifty Israeli and international hostages
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For our thanksgiving from your severe weather
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current temperature is forty five degrees.
Just see some date and officials this afternoon

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giving an update about Monday night shooting
of wal Mart in Beaver Creek, which

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included four which hindred four people who
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his own life. Beaver Creek Police
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victim's conditions. The gunman had shot
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and one male. The victims were
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pm Tuesday, three victims are listed
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critical but also in stable condition.
Captain Lindsay also noting that the victims are

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found in different areas of the store. The shooter located in the vision section.

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Police also identifying the shooter as a
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body camera video. An investigation is
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The FBI today acting on a search
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shooting this afternoon and over the rye
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after the noon hour to the seventeen
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victim was found. The twenty eight
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dying a short time later from his
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that investigation. FC Cincinnati head coach
Pat Newton named the twenty twenty three Major

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League Soccer Coach of the Year.
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Origin Blew to two straight MLS Cup
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for the best regular season record.
FC Cincinnati hosting Philadelphia Union in the Eastern

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Conference Semi Finals Saturday night, kickoff
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thirty. The winner will face either
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the Eastern Conference Final. The Steelers
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that offensive coordinator Mack Canada have been
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after a thirteen to ten loss of
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in the AFC North and hold that
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Corpse Sadium Sunday, one o'clock.
Here on the Big One. The new

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College Fall playoff rankings out tonight is
Georgia, Ohio State and Michigan remained the

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top three, but a change in
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that position. Florida State is down
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at ten o'clock. I'm Sean Gaalbagher
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All guests this week are calling in
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Pella now and pay later, Stop
second guessing yours. We continue this

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special edition of Rock and Roll Archaeology
on the Nightcap Thanksgiving Week and Garry Jeff

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Walker, which you and our guest
Randy McNutt, who is an author and

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a writer and a musician and has
done all this legwork so we don't have

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to traveling across this great land of
ours to where the great iconic pop and

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soul records were made around the country. The book Guitar Towns, and we're

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kind of taking a real quick a
cliffs notes tour through Guitar Towns tonight on

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the show, Randy, you were
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in the last half hour, the
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There is an argument to be made
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was I don't know, blue Eyed
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of characters who are making this sound. In fact, the lead singer is

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only sixteen years old when they step
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have a hit record. So tell
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and this song and where the record
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Dan Penn was the producer, and
I had to meet Dan Penn, so

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I finally did, and Dan had
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Huge Hit and Bell Records was on
him because the follow up didn't sell that

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well. But Dan had no song. He couldn't. He wrote some things

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with his partner Spooner Oldham, but
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night they couldn't figure out what to
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day at American Sound Studios, which
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hits. Angel in the morning.
So Dan went into a little diner right

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before the session was to start and
he said to Spooner, Spooner, I

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could just cry like a baby.
Spooner said, that's it, cry like

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a baby. Dan said, oh
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lyrics and it. Spooner went in
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In about thirty forty five minutes,
the musicians came in and on this session

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they didn't use the band. They
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that was played on the Suspicious Minds
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and they cut it. It was
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a sitar in it. Big Hit
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as a producer and writer was back
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blue eyed soul singer I have ever
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amazing, and he made some records
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writer was sort of eclipsed. So
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was a singer. And he was
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heard. That's saying a lot.
So this studio that you're talking about though,

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you mentioned Sweet Caroline, you mentioned
Angel of the Morning. Yeah,

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it was this something by a guy
named Chips Moment who was a terrific guitar

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player. And is this in Memphis
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started American back towards the late sixties, had a hit with Angel in the

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Morning by Merrily Rush, and all
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out of the area at about one
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So Elvis comes in and they were
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record in Memphis at American Sound Studios. That was a funky looking place.

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None of these studios out in the
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really that nice. I mean they
were a funky look So Elvis comes in,

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he starts singing, A rat fell
out of the ceiling and scared him

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to death, and he took off
running, and the Chips moment was behind

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that studio and turned out all those
records. He told Dan Penn when they

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made the letter, don't put that. Don't put the jet plane on the

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beginning. He said, you ought
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Don't use it at all. And
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use it, I'm going to put
this tape in my hands and take a

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razor blade and cut it up.
So the letter has a plane at the

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beginning, Yes it does, and
and on through Uh a bridge in the

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song too, you'll hear the the
roar of the engine. Let's listen to

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Alex Chiltern and Uh the house band
masquerading as the box tops on cry like

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a baby here, but I think
about the good of the games. Literally,

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not a cart, why no not
the jone out of man, not

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a door, not a fact for
a lots of sweet night street A no,

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no, the turn out a bad
thing. Not a coil on the

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street. Today we bathed on the
street. My huses from my feet.

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It is the nightcap on seven w
l w Alex Shelton, the box Tops

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Cry like a Baby. We're talking
with Randy McNutt, the author of Guitar

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Towns and a music historian, do
a little rock and roll archaeology on a

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weeknight, and Randy, you were
talking about what was going on in Memphis

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with Chip Mohman Studio. There was
a lot going on in Memphis, wasn't

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there? Oh yeah, yeah,
at Ardent Studio, which was turning out

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hits more in a rock rock fin
the Old Royal Theater, which is did

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Willie Mitchell's hits, the instrumentals just
so much coming out of there. It

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was country hits and R and B
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Did you get into Stacks Records at
all when I When I got their stacks

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had been torn down? Yeah,
yeah, and it's been now it's a

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museum historical area. But no,
I didn't get into so I would love

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to have seen that studio. Americans. I love these studios because they are

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so a lot of them were the
way behind the times technical technology wise.

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But I asked one of the producers, I said, how did you do

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that on a two track recorder?
He goes Son Two's all you need if

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you know what you're doing. I
love it. Yeah, So I gathered

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some information from that when I got
back home. I remember one of the

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producers said, just roll the tape
and leave the players alone. I love

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that. I love that philosophy.
I love you know what. Here's the

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thing too. You're talking to somebody
whose radio career started in like nineteen seventy

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nine, in college, nineteen eighty
professionally, So you're talking to somebody who

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worked with two track recorders reel the
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So I know exactly what you're talking
about. Where if you know what

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you're doing, two tracks is enough. You had a story about DJ Thomas.

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I wanted you to share real briefly
if you could, or or and

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surrounding that, and where this happened, and what was the vibe you got

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from the studio where this was recorded. Well, BJ was out of Texas

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and I loved his voice. I
loved him, Billy, Joe, Royle,

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a lot of those guys, and
I never met BJ, but I

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heard Eyes of a New York Woman, which was a record that brought him

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back. He had had billions.
Sue and and you know a few other

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hits, but some time had gone
by, and face it, if you

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don't do anything in a year,
your passe. You're cold. But Chips

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Moman got him down an American and
cut Eyes of a New York Woman,

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written by one of the staff musicians
there, Mark James, And oh,

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I loved that record. It it
just did you know, it was just

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pleasant to hear. And based on
that, Chips Cut hooked on a feeling

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with BJ. Oh yeah, that
brought him way, That brought him into

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the whole new realm of his career. And and he had the studio band

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backing them up, the same players
that played on Suspicious Minds by Elvis and

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some of those other hits. And
BJ was riding high and had hit after

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hit and finally moved on and recorded
in New York and things like that.

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But Cassidy and the same dance kid. Yes, raindrops keep falling on my

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head right right. Those weren't Memphis
songs, no, But yeah, BJ

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had a great career. Well let's
let's uh, well, we'll wrap up

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after we listen to a little bit
of that fantastic tune you were talking about.

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BJ Thomas and the Eyes of a
New York woman. I'll be in

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Yorks when the light shine right where
my long ways to me of that home

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and telling moy sad ways for me, yll be eyes of your wolcond mad

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She swept me Hoppy made mothers bussy. From New York, we go to

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Lake Charles, Louisiana talking with Randy
mcnutts, the author of Guitar Towns,

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who traveled to all these different towns
around America, and the little studios were

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great, records were made, little
rock and roll archaeology dose on a Tuesday

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night here on seven hundred W l
W and Randy, So Charles, Louisiana,

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tell me about this little studio in
Lake Charles, Louisiana, of all

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places, a guy named Eddie Schuler
owned it. He had a TV repair

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shop, a little studio, and
a record store. And one day a

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guy named Phil Phillips came in.
He was a young guy at bell hop

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at a local hotel, and he
had a song called Sea of Love that

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he had written for his girlfriend,
and so Eddie recorded it as nineteen fifty

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nine and it was a gigantic hit. And Eddie's studio was a small cramp

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place with a one track recorder that
smelled musty, and he had a clock

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that ran backwards. Nice. This
record was so big that it was recorded

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over the years in soundtracks of movies. It was an American graffiti and there

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was actually actually a movie called Sea
of Love. But I love these studios

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because the hits were so immense.
But the studios were so small. And

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at one of the best muscle shoal
sound studio in Alabama, they started cutting

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some hits down there, and Paul
Simon come in to cut coda chrome and

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they had the studio owners were the
musicians, and it had been a coffin

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factory, a very narrow building twenty
five feet wide, and they had to

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put buckets all over to catch the
rain drops coming through the ceiling. And

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one of the musicians said, well, let's get some sanitary napkins and stick

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them up into the ceiling to stop
this. And then Paul came in and

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he was shocked at the look of
the place, but you know, he

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got some hits, and Bob Seeer
cut Night Grooves down there. All the

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night Moves was cut there. Yes, night Moves. This is a muscle

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shoals, right, yeah, right, Once these studios, regional ones got

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hot. Everybody wanted to come in
and catch the magic. Nationally and the

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same with the same studios. It
started a tobacco warehouse and then later had

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its you know, larger studio once
it got big. Wilson Pickett, Mustang

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Sally and Oh my gosh, the
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I never loved a mand the way
I loved you. And the Rolling Stones

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came down. Leonard Skinner talks about
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I mean, that's that's that's the
band. Yeah, that is that is

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that is immortalized in one of the
great iconic Southern rock songs of all time,

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Sweet Home Alabama. They're talking about
muss oh yeah. And the Muscle

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Shoals was a very interesting place I
went and I went into the original studio.

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By then it become a used appliance
store. I had a hundred degrees

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and I was miserable, and I
went in there and the guy was in

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a wheelchair and an old T shirt, and he said, you know,

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can I interest you in a used
washing machine? I said, nobody,

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I'd like to see this building.
So he took me through and everything was

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gone, but the glass and the
control room are there. He said,

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you want to see there when I
see in my bathroom. I said,

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well, I don't know, you
know, he said, he took his

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cane and he opened the door and
on the inside of the door was filled

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with nothing but autographs, rolling stones
and everybody. And so you know,

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it was big. They opened a
bigger studio later, but the swampers mortgaged

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their homes. The studio musicians.
Well, you know what, you have

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given me all kinds of ideas for
trips that I might want to plan next

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year. Randy McNutt, thank you
so much, and I can keep your

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number and maybe we can do this
again sometime anytime, anytime. Fally N.

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This is great. Thanks Randy McNutt
with us on the Nightcap and we'll

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roll on in moments after a break
on seven hundred WLW seven hundred W l

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W, Gary Jimp, GJ Dobbs
and my friend PB Peter Bronson joining us

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in studio tonight for a few minutes
to talk about his latest book, The

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Man Who Saves Cincinnati, which,
yes, Peter, I do have my

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copy of it, and uh,
you're right, at the top of my

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list, and it's right in,
it's right in the lane of recounting and

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uh, going inside the history of
this area of Cincinnati, of northern Kentucky.

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That has become your specialty. And
I love the historical aspect because if

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you don't, if you don't understand
history, you're doomed to repeat it.

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Oh so true. And you know
what could could be? Could we be

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on the precipice of repeating a civil
war in this country? That's that's a

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great question. I mean, there
are so many things that we see today

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that are echoes of the eighteen sixties. The eighteen sixties was the first time

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presidential a man who was elected as
president was rejected and repudiated by half the

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country who said they would not be
part of a country that had that man

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as president. That man was Abraham
Lincoln. It was the first time anybody

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that ran for president was kept off
the ballot in several states, all of

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the South, kept Lincoln off the
ballot. We see that today free speech

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was dangerous. You could be stoned
in the street for speaking up too loudly

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about the South or the North,
depending on where you stood. In Cincinnati,

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it was especially dangerous because we lived
right on the fault line, so

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we were right across the river from
a slave state. Well, the president

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you mentioned, Abraham Lincoln, who
was elected during the Civil War, he

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put journalists in prison. He put
people who were speaking freely in prison because

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they weren't echoing the Union narrative.
Yeah. Clement Clement the Landingham, the

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congressman from Dayton, Ohio, was
a copperhead. I mean he sympathized with

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the South. Lincoln had Ambrose Burnside, the general who was in charge of

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the Cincinnati region in the Department of
Ohio, sent federal troops to knock down

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his door at midnight and haul him
out of his house in his pajamas and

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throw him into a military prison because
he was inciting anti union sentiment. That's

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a complete violation of free speech.
His constitutional rights were sounds like Roger Stone

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and Donald Trump. I'm saying,
yes, there are so many parallels.

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Lincoln was threatened. He was the
outsider president. He didn't come up through

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the establishment, so all of Washington
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But he was reviled and held in
contempt as being this big buffoon who

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didn't belong to the White House,
and he was threatened with death and fact

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on his way to his inauguration,
people tried to kill him several times,

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including an assassination attempt right in Cincinnati. Well, I mean they actually did

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to hide him on the train,
yes, from Springfield, Illinois to Washington,

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d c. Yes, And because
they were worried about people, you

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know, raiding the train in its
route and killing him. And you're right.

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And when he got to Baltimore,
which was a slave state, Maryland.

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Right, he gets to Baltimore,
and they were especially afraid that there

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was going to be somebody in the
crowd who would rushed forward with a knife

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for a gun and kill him.
He had actually put on a disguise and

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slipped out the back door of his
train car to avoid the crowd and slip

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through the crowd to get to the
White House. He made it. He

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made it for a little while,
for the re duration of the war.

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That's correct. And when you think
about this, it triggers all these parallels.

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There's so many more. For example, immigration was weaponized. The North

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used immigration because all of the immigrants
were coming in the northern cities where the

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industrial jobs were, so they used
immigration to pack their representation and to take

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over control of Congress, and then
they used that political power to inflict tariffs

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on the South that almost destroyed the
Southern economy. So immigration was weaponized free

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speech. The immigrants that the North
had brought in in the industrial North were

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counted as a way to increase their
representation, while the slaves in the South,

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one fifth of a person or whatever
it was not even a citizen according

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to dred Scott decision. They were
a mere property. And there's another example

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that parallels today, a Supreme Court
decision that was maybe intended in some way

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to heal this divided nation, actually
made things much worse. So sort of

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like the DoD decision, right right, The dread Scott decision polarized the nation

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extremely because it said that the slave
ownership. It protected slave ownership and extended

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slave ownership into the New States.
Wow, well, I mean, so

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we've gone from protecting slave ownership to
protecting baby killers in other country. Yeah,

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and here again you put your finger
on it, the North and the

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South. You could divide it just
as today. You could say there was

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an issue that one side thought was
a constitutional right and the other one thought

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was morally abhorrent in eighteen sixty.
That issue is slavery in twenty twenty three.

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Yeah, and it goes right to
the moral foundation of people's world.

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Both do they both do? Now? History has judged eighteen sixty. History

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has yet to judge what we're doing
in twenty twenty three. Well, I

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mean God will ultimately judge, yes, brother, and I don't think there's

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any doubt about that. One talk
about some stuff that's going on right now

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in the world, not just in
our country. Peter Bronson as our guest.

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The book is the Man who saved
Cincinnati. And first and foremost these

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00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:20.280
pro Palestinian or what do they call
it, pro Hamas protesters in these calls

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for Israel to give a cease fire
and stop the quote genocide in Gaza,

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when the genocide actually has been ongoing
thanks to islamis terrorism for the last fifty

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plus years. I was going through
the list with Dan Carroll, I think

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last week, but I said,
hold on, So Israel cannot defend itself

445
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and the Hamas terrorists get all the
free punches they want versus their pr machine

446
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.960
that has cranked up full tilt.
And the media is like media, Yeah,

447
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:08.679
the media are their lap dogs and
their and their mouthpieces. And I

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think about this in terms of what
would happen. Say if Peter Bronson has

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his house broken into and that person
murders Peter's wife. I'm not saying that

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should happen. I'm just saying in
context, and then Peter is put in

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jail and ultimately killed for stopping the
intruder. That's exactly what fact. We

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go back to nineteen sixty seven and
that war where Israel had to defend itself

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against pretty much all of the Arab
world. Yes, it was outnumbered.

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Nineteen seventy two, the Munich Olympics, nineteen seventy three, the hijacking of

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the Achille Laurel where Leon Klinghoffer,
a Jewish man in a wheelchair was killed

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by the Islamis terraces, the Beirut
bombing of nineteen eighty three, the Munich

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Olympics. Like I said in nineteen
seventy two, it's over it that the

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om Kapur War of nineteen seventy they
are and they told us that they are

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all about exterminating the jadicating the Jews. Yes, yes, they have done

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this over and over and over again. And my contention is that we as

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a country, well, I hate
the fact of being involved in some war

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anywhere else but defending our homeland.
But they violated our sovereign American soil in

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nineteen seventy nine when they took over
the embassy in Taran, Iran and held

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American hostages for four hundred and forty
four days. That was officially a declaration

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of war. And it's a war
that we seemed to be reluctant to fight

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back in. I mean, it's
amazing, isn't it. I mean,

467
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it goes we should still be acting
a war with the Mullah's and the Ietolas

468
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in Iran. We should they started
it. In so many ways, this

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parallels what we started out talking about, which is that there are libraries that

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could be filled with books about the
Civil War to tell us what happened so

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that we can avoid those mistakes in
the future. There are libraries that are

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filled with what happened to the Jews
under the Nazis, yes, and the

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persecution of those people over the centuries, and yet we ignore those libraries of

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information. We have kids coming out
of higher education institutions today who are so

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pathetically ignorant they don't know any of
this history. They've been manipulated and brainwashed

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by left wing professors and agents of
Hamas who have infested our campuses. And

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so we have a situation where in
both of these situations where people are too

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ignorant to even know history, much
less avoid repeating it. Well, somebody

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said to you the other day,
these gen Z, what are these gen

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Z people doing? I said,
don't they remember nine nine to eleven?

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I said, no, they weren't
born. No they don't. I mean

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they were babies. And they have
no concept of even that modern history which

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is still fresh in Armae, which
we take it like it's just that's part

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of the world. How in the
world, if they're being indoctrinated, not

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educated on the real history, would
they know anything about the formation of the

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State of Israel in nineteen forty eight, would know anything about the fact that

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the term Palestinian was an invention of
the late nineteen sixties, And there's no

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historical thread that tells you there's really
a Palestinian people even or a culture.

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Yeah. So if you're a Palestinian
language, so you know, you can't

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say that on campus, You're not
say it here. Yes, you can

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say it here. But you know, that's another part of the problem is

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that speech has been so politicized and
made there's certain areas of free speech that

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are considered off limits, so people
can't have an honest discussion about these things.

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And and the total I mean,
if this doesn't call attention, call

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public attention to the total failure of
our higher education system, of our system

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00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:15.039
of so called advanced learning in this
country, of their moral failure, their

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00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.840
failure as a responsibility to educate the
people who are paying fifty sixty one hundred

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00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.719
thousand dollars intuition and more and more
and going into debt for a generation.

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For that to be totally brainwashed and
misled and uninformed about basic history. It's

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it's just shameful. Well and more
and more people are waking up to the

501
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.199
fact that, you know what,
you really don't need a four year degree,

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yes, to make it in this
world, and you know it's something

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00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:52.679
to be carefully considered by parents and
by incoming students, like, well,

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00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:58.159
is this going to prepare me well
for you know, the real world after

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00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.559
college? And none of this is
prepared people? Are you unprepared? You

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00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:08.639
are almost stunned in your growth,
you are misinformed. Well, you're mis

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00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:14.679
educated, you're prepared to fail and
yeah, and you're warped in your worldview.

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00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.519
You come out feeling like a victim, and you don't know right and

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00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.679
wrong. You don't know how to
respect your country or the history of your

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00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.280
country and what it's done. I
mean, there's an op ed in the

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Wall Street Journal you probably saw about
the DEI programs at Ohio State and how

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they almost like a totalitarian regime.
They insisted that every candidate for advancement or

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00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.000
hiring on the campus had to go
through these DEI committees. And the DEI

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00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.960
committees through this freedom of information request, they got the actual documents. They

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00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:50.760
were incredibly brazen about how they selected
candidates based on the color of their skin,

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00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:58.320
on their sexual orientation, on totally
discriminatory things that are prohibited by our

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00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:04.599
constitution and our protection from discrimination.
And yet this is the regime that was

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00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:08.000
operating on that campus to select the
people that would educate. How in the

519
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:15.400
world is that diversive or inclusive?
It is not. It's just the exact

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opposite. So Peter Bronson, the
book is the man who saved Cincinnati,

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00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.960
just real quickly in our last couple
of minutes together, just give me an

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00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:29.119
outline. Well, this is about
a forgotten chapter in Cincinnati's history. Most

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00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.440
people are n't aware of it that
we were the sixth largest city at the

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time, twice as big as Chicago, four times bigger than San Francisco.

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We were the big queen city of
the Midwest what was called then the West.

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So the queen city of the West
is sitting there, this ripe apple

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00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:51.280
on a low branch, and it
is totally undefended. We had military stockpiles,

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we had the wagons, the mules, the horses, We had all

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kinds of weapons and food and gold
in our banks. And the Confederates who

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00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.840
are on a rule, and they
come up through Kentucky and they're winning battles

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00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:06.360
left and right, and they're just
rolling back the Union. And this general,

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00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.360
this young general Henry Heath, says
to his commanding officer. He says,

533
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:12.960
I'd like to go take Cincinnati.
And he said, well, what

534
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:14.559
do you think you need? And
he goes, I think I can do

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00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.360
it with ten thousand of my battle
hardened veterans who have won all these battles,

536
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.079
and the city's undefended. Let's pick
it. Let's just pick it off

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00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.559
the branch. He comes up,
he gets as far as Fort Mitchell.

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And meanwhile, they've sent this young
Union general to defend the city. But

539
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.320
they gave him no weapons, no
cannons, no troops, no army,

540
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:37.599
nothing. He comes to Cincinnati,
he defends the city in three days.

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Oh man, I want to read
it now. The Man who Saved Cincinnati

542
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:46.119
is the name of the book.
The author is Peter Bronson. Chili Dog

543
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:52.320
Press is a publisher and sign copies
at chilidog press dot com. All right,

544
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:57.320
and it's available for Christmas shopping and
you've got a history nut on your

545
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:01.760
list. This would be a perfect, perfect under the tree or stocking stuff

546
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:06.559
for Pete. Thank you so much, perfect guest as always. Oh glad

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00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:08.599
to be here. You bet.
It's the Nightcap and we roll on with

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it in minutes on seven hundred WLW
when you're rope and down the go country.

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Welcome back to the Nightcap seven hundred
wl W, Gary Jeff Walker.

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Proud to introduce another three named person. We should all stick together, all

551
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.159
of those you know, Billy Bob
Thornton. I don't I'm not gonna include

552
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.400
him, but Gary Jeff Walker.
Marjorie Taylor Green, the congressman from the

553
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:46.159
great State of Georgia who has been
seen by many as a lightning rod.

554
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:52.000
I think she's fantastic, and she
has a new book out about her fantasticness

555
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:57.320
called MTG. And she's on the
phone with us right now. Marjorie Taylor

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00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.159
Green, Welcome to the show.
Hi, thanks so much for having me

557
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.760
on today. I love the fact
that you are never afraid to say what's

558
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:13.400
on your mind, and you're never
afraid to point out the hypocrisy that is

559
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.480
all over establishment Washington, d c. And within our federal government. And

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00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:23.599
I'm so glad you're there fighting against
the tide of a leftist nonsense. So

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00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:29.000
thank you. I'm not a constituent
directly of yours, but I am the

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00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:35.000
beneficiary of somebody who sees things the
right way, let's put it that way.

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00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:42.360
So so much so thank you for
always being there and the State of

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00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:46.239
Georgia. Do you think that the
election woes that we saw in twenty twenty

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00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:50.920
in the State of Georgia and the
others are going to be fixed? Have

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00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:55.960
they done anything to rectify the obvious
problems that resulted in Joe Biden winning the

567
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:04.360
presidential election hope. So although I
don't really trust many elections, and I

568
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.559
think that's why, you know,
I wrote a chapter about it in my

569
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.199
book about why people need to engage
in the election process, volunteer to be

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00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.440
poll workers. I always say,
flood the polls. Even though you have

571
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:21.199
concerns about elections. We have to
vote, vote, vote anyway any means

572
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.840
possible, and get as many people
to show up because that's how we're going

573
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:30.280
to win. And you know,
I wrote my book MTG because if people

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00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.000
don't know my background, I'll tell
you real quick. I ran for Congress

575
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.400
because we know who the Democrats are. They tell us every day to our

576
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:43.519
faith and we watch their policies of
destruction of America. But you know who

577
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:47.079
I was mad at. I was
mad at the Republicans, and I continue

578
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:52.480
to be upset with the Republican Party
because if they actually followed through on what

579
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.199
they said on the campaign trail,
what they say on their five minute committee

580
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.039
hearings, what they say in their
strongly worded letters, we wouldn't be in

581
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:05.159
this situation. And it took decades
for us to get here. And I'm

582
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.599
really sick and tired of it.
So you know, I am outspoken,

583
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.880
but we need to be. We're
a country of over thirty three trillion dollars

584
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.679
in debt, a wide open border, and we're on the verge of losing

585
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:22.239
our freedoms in our great American way
of life. So I think it's worth

586
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.400
calling out, and I'm pushing the
Republican Party to do better and fight for

587
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:30.519
Americans and America first, not the
rest of the world. Any thoughts off

588
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:36.639
the top of your head about Mike
Johnson the Speaker, Well, it's early

589
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.559
in his speakership. Of course,
I supported him and voted for him.

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00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:45.079
He's a really nice guy. He's
a good Christian man. But I have

591
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:51.280
to tell you I voted against the
Continuing Resolution he just passed that continues Joe

592
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:58.159
Biden's budget of wide open borders,
woke military policies, and it's destroying our

593
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:02.880
economy as we speak, with a
weaponized Department of Justice that's targeting Trump and

594
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:08.039
Trump supporters. So I voted against
SAT and was disappointed to see that come

595
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:13.400
to the House floor under his speakership. But it's still early. I think

596
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.079
we can hope to see better things
coming out of him, but I don't

597
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:22.360
want to see another Ukraine funding bill
that would be absolutely outrageous, and Americans

598
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.440
are tired of it, and we
we need to see him fight harder against

599
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:31.159
Chuck Schumer and against the White House. It seems to me no big surprise

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00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:37.400
that the same people who are staging
these pro hamas rallies around this country in

601
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:43.079
favor of the terrorists in the Middle
East seem to be the same people that

602
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.559
are in bed with BLM, that
are in bed with planned parenthood. It

603
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:52.239
seems like a culture of death just
surrounds people who are of the mind that

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00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:57.000
Israel doesn't have a right to defend
itself. Your thoughts, Oh, well,

605
00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:00.199
you know, I wrote a lot
in my book and I hope people

606
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:06.679
get a copy at mtgbook dot com
about Washington and the machines that it uses,

607
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.480
especially in these types of movements.
And you know what we're seeing now

608
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:16.519
with the ceasefire Now movement. It's
the same organizers as BLM, same Antifa

609
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:21.679
protesters. They're all the same.
It's just a new name, a new

610
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.280
T shirt and a new sign.
That's it, and a new emoji on

611
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:30.559
your social media post. And so
this is this is something that we're going

612
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.280
to constantly, constantly be dealing with. But the most terrifying thing about it

613
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:38.559
is they're directly linked to actual members
of Congress like Rashida to Leib And this

614
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:46.000
is something that we haven't really seen
at a level of Islamic terrorism. You

615
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:51.639
know, they occupied the House Cannon
Building where my office is on October eighteenth,

616
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.960
and if January sixth was an insurrection, so was October eighteenth. But

617
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:02.320
the only problem is is our FBI
Director Christ Array, Department of Justice Attorney

618
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:08.000
General Merritt Garland, they aren't concerned
about Islamic terrorism. We're seated to leave

619
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:15.679
ceasefirenail pro homos, terrorist groups in
our country coming into our government buildings.

620
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.519
They're not concerned about the wide open
border and all the terrorists that came across

621
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.639
the open border in the past several
years. They're more interested in tracking down

622
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:29.079
people like Gregory yetman Uh with helicopters
and tanks in the streets and putting Maga

623
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:32.119
Grahamaws in jail for as many years
as possible. And so we need to

624
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.239
we need to fight democrats and punch
them in the nose for exactly who they

625
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.480
are, and they're communists. You've
got that's the way we're going to take

626
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:43.599
our country back. Of course,
they're communists, Marxist, whatever you want

627
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:47.639
to signify, but they are the
communists, and it's sad that they're in

628
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.719
such control in the in the quarters
of power in Washington, d C.

629
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:57.719
The book is MTG mggbook dot com. Is it? Did I get that

630
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:02.679
correct? Yes? Mtgbook dot com. Now you have a chapter also on

631
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:08.639
January sixth, and now we're getting
thanks to Speaker Johnson and leadership in the

632
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:14.400
House, we're getting more of that
footage from January sixth release to the general

633
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:21.719
public so they can actually see what
an insurrection doesn't look like. What your

634
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:24.000
thoughts on January sixth, and the
people that have been held prison, the

635
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:29.400
MAGA, Grandmas and stuff that you
mentioned. Well, you know, I

636
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:34.880
wrote an important chapter on January sixth, and it's because it was the third

637
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.239
day as a member of Congress for
me, third day on the job.

638
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:43.239
I was in the House Chamber and
I organized the effort to object to Joe

639
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.719
Biden's electoral College votes, and I
was shocked at what happened, and I

640
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:53.440
tell that story. I also tell
about visiting the DC jail in November of

641
00:57:53.519 --> 00:58:00.039
twenty twenty one truly one of the
most heartbreaking experiences of my life, and

642
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:06.000
people need to understand those people are
being persecuted and persecuted and it's still happening

643
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:10.360
today. I'm very angry we don't
have enough Republicans that actually care about stopping

644
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:15.599
it, and that's something that I
find completely outrageous. You know, when

645
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:19.199
it comes to the January six tapes, I believe they all should come out.

646
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.679
That was only ninety hours of the
forty four thousand hours that our new

647
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:27.920
Speaker Johnson released, and everyone needs
to understand that came out of a portal

648
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:30.960
that has been being built for months
and months, so that has been a

649
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.960
work in progress even before he became
Speaker. And I hope more of the

650
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:40.280
tapes come out. But more importantly, I have already called on the Speaker

651
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:46.840
to create a January sixth Special Committee
to investigate the former January sixth committee.

652
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:52.239
We need to investigate me and c
Pelosi. We need to subpoena the FBI,

653
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.519
the Department of Justice, DC Police, whoever was there that day,

654
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.000
and we need to get to the
bottom. You know, the Democrats call

655
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:07.719
our objection to Joe Biden's Electoral College
votes and us calling it a stolen election.

656
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:12.639
They call that the big lie.
The real big lie is the lie

657
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.719
they told about January sixth, and
it was a setup. And I want

658
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:21.679
to see some real accountability for that. I'd like to see accountability just for

659
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:27.880
Ashley Barrett, the brabbot, Ashley
Babbitt, the Air Force veteran who was

660
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:31.079
murdered on that day by a Capitol
police officer. She was the only one

661
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:36.840
who died on January sixth, and
she was an unarmed, unarmed person inside

662
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:42.119
the Capitol. She was no threat
to anyone. Yes, we were in

663
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:47.239
the House chamber and sadly heard the
gun shot. It was It's terrible.

664
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:51.840
And Michael Bird, the Capitol police
officer, you know, he had gotten

665
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:57.920
a promotion not long after that and
still has his job. And Ashley Babbitt's

666
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:02.679
family has never seen just that's for
her murder. That's that's I mean,

667
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.840
that's God, what a stain on
America. That's a bigger stain than objecting

668
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:13.199
to the results of an election,
for sure. Uh. Marjorie Taylor Green,

669
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.440
keep fighting the fight. I love
the opportunity to get to talk to

670
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:22.239
you today, and I hope everybody
will pick up your book MTG Big Letters

671
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:28.440
MTG mtgbook dot com if you would
like to order it right now, and

672
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:32.599
I wish you the best of luck
coming up in twenty four. Thank you

673
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.719
so much. It's great to talk
to you today and have a happy Thanksgiving.

674
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:42.519
Happy Thanksgiving to you. Time to
get to it fires at three got

675
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:46.159
us basketball beer Cats tip off their
season with a little full court action against

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677
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action hasence Lord, that's a math
basin. Now your wait is over.

678
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:59.800
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697
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few weeks ago, I thought it'd
be a great idea for my wife Christa

698
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:27.679
two point oh to pick NFL games. And you know what the first three

699
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:31.679
weeks or so it went okay,
kind of a collapse in Week eleven,

700
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:36.880
christ to two point Oh good evening, Welcome back to the Nightcap. I

701
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.480
guess your crystal ball was kind of
kind of a foggy last week when you

702
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:45.480
were making your picks. Yeah,
I sent that one back. I didn't

703
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:50.800
like it. Well, I understand
why. It's time for another chance,

704
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.239
a chance to redeem yourself. With
the Week twelve picks. We're not picking

705
01:02:54.280 --> 01:03:00.440
point spreads, We're just picking a
teams. And keep in mind that you

706
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:06.440
only picked four winners last week,
so let's try and do better this week.

707
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:13.559
We start with the Thanksgiving games,
which everybody loves. Thanksgiving football in

708
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:17.840
the NFL and Thanksgiving there's three three
games there. The Green Bay Packers always

709
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:22.559
play on Thanksgiving Day. They are
playing the Detroit Lions, who also always

710
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:28.239
play on Thanksgiving Day. Who wins? Packers? Lions? They're playing in

711
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:36.199
Detroit Lions. Okay, Commanders and
Cowboys. You know, it's a shame

712
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:38.920
that the Commanders changed their name from
the Redskins, because then we could have

713
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:45.880
Cowboys and Indians on Thanksgiving Days?
Would there be anything more appropriate? Wonderful?

714
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:52.800
So Indians are cowboys? Which way
to go? Cowboys? Cowboys?

715
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:57.000
How about them cowboys? Forty nine
Ers are playing the Seahawks in Seattle.

716
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:09.760
You know I'm going to go the
Okay Saints and Falcons. I'm going my

717
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:13.079
Saints. I don't care. You
always picked the Saints, doesn't matter.

718
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.239
Tampa Bay Bucket? Do you sed
to live with kind of in the Tampa

719
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:19.519
Bay area? Your sister did so? Tampa Bay Bucks or the Indianapolis Colts

720
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:28.199
and they're playing in Indyls Colts,
Panthers and Titans. Titans have not been

721
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:31.639
doing well. The Panthers are woeful. It's a matchup of two teams that

722
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:39.440
aren't going anywhere. Where do they
go? In Week twelve? Titans tighten

723
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:44.079
up baby, Patriots are playing the
Giants. Two other teams that have not

724
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:47.639
fared this well to say the least. You going with New England or New

725
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:58.239
York? New York Steelers Bengals.
I hate to say this, but Steelers

726
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:13.039
giving up Jags and Texans. Oh, let's go for the Jags. They

727
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.679
had a good week last week.
We'll see if translates. Okay, Rams

728
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:21.400
and Cards your Cardinals in Arizona.
They're playing in Arizona. Who wins this

729
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:32.559
game? Cardinals of course, Browns
and Broncos in Denver, Broncos. We'll

730
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:38.400
see how they do against that tough
Browns. D My Kansas City Chiefs who

731
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:44.119
lost last night playing the Raiders in
Las Vegas. Do they bounce back?

732
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:53.360
Yes? They do? Ghost Chefs, Chiefs. It is Buffalo and Philly

733
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:59.599
the Iggles who beat my beloved Chiefs
last night. Is it Buffalo or is

734
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:10.079
it Philadelphia? It's the fly Eagles
Fly the Baltimore the Baltimore Ravens, which

735
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:15.480
for all the world looked like just
monsters these days, on the road on

736
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:21.880
the West Coast playing the Chargers.
Who wins Ravens are Chargers Ravens? Okay,

737
01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:26.920
you say that, like you You
didn't want to say it. I

738
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:31.599
didn't. But and your beloved Chicago
Bears on the road to take on the

739
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:40.960
Minnesota Vikings in an NFC North scrap
who wins Bears and Vikings? Let's go

740
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.119
Bears again? For Ken? All
right, for Ken Carly, our friend

741
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:50.480
Ken Carly is waiting for a holiday
Cyclones game right now. All right,

742
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:55.199
well, listen, you can you
can only do better than last week.

743
01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:58.679
Baby, Come on, let's let's
get this together. This time I do

744
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:03.960
worse. But let's let's not let's
not even consider that possibility. Let's go

745
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:09.480
with your You're going to improve and
and get back to your winning ways.

746
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:14.039
Chris to two point zero the crystal
ball for this week's and fl season.

747
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.559
I'll see you when I get home, honey, all right, I love

748
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:21.719
you, love you too. I
will we'll wrap things up Dan Carroll's corner,

749
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:26.960
of course, as the host of
the Midweek Crisis in this time slot

750
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.719
on Wednesdays and Thursdays when there was
a show, and we will kind of

751
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:36.039
discuss what's going on with Dan tomorrow
and stuff in the news tonight seven hundred

752
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:50.280
w l W into another hour of
the Nighttown on seven hundred w l W.

753
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:54.800
Well, we've come to that portion
of the evening that many people,

754
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.679
and in fact, if they know
exactly when he's going to be on the

755
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.960
make sure that they turn their radio
on at that particular moment and then turn

756
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:10.000
it off after he's off the phone, because this is the part that day

757
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.519
of my show that they live for, which makes me feel kind of bad

758
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:17.039
because I think I bring a lot
more to the table than just the fur

759
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:21.000
ball. But Andy Furman is joining
us here on Thanksgiving week, and Happy

760
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:26.399
Thanksgiving to you and yours Andy,
same to you. And I have to

761
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:29.920
say one thing. Number one,
stop schmoozing me, because she's setting me

762
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:31.640
up for the kill. I get
it. I finally, after all these

763
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:34.479
years, I figured that out.
But I do want to say something to

764
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:39.680
you and your large audience that you
have a big heart. You have a

765
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:44.279
tremendous heart, because on Thanksgiving Day
at Huddles in Newport, you're going to

766
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:47.159
be catering. May very well be
for the last time that Thanksgiving Day meal

767
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:51.560
for those who are maybe less fortunate
than you and I and others that cannot

768
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:57.439
have a meal or kind of celebrate
members of friends. Forget about the last

769
01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:00.560
fortunate part, Andy, and we
do have a couple of people who really

770
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:05.119
could use a meal who come in. But it's people who may be displaced

771
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:10.319
from their families, either by distance
or by the fact that they don't have

772
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:13.880
a good relationship, you know,
where they don't have much of or any

773
01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:18.399
relationship with familial people. And it
is a familial holiday. It's my favorite

774
01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:24.960
holiday. It's my favorite holiday because
there's no pressure except on me, because

775
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:28.000
I've got to bring all this food
down and keep it warm for a couple

776
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:32.880
of hours on a Thursday. But
no, there's no pressure. Football and

777
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:39.039
food. That's football food, family
and food and family. That's right.

778
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:43.800
The three, the three? Well
there's four fs now, yeah, yes,

779
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:45.319
can you think of? Can you
think of any more? Fs?

780
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.119
What I think of? I can't
stay them on the air, but I

781
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.760
will say this. You know,
if I would have known you doing this

782
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:56.920
catering instead of having my wife cook
for a family of thirty plus people,

783
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:00.640
we should all have gone to huddles. I want to ask you, let's

784
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:05.279
talk about Thanksgiving at the firm and
house full household. So your wife and

785
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:09.720
you are hosting Thanksgiving at your place
right, Well, not this year,

786
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.560
I say, for the last thirty
years, believe it or not, we've

787
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.760
hosted the entire family, some thirty
plus people we'll come to our home and

788
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.960
we loved it and it was great. But this year, for some reason,

789
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:24.199
our niece who lives like in Lexington, said she would do it,

790
01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:27.800
and I said great. But you
know what, as we get closer to

791
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.520
Thanksgiving, I'm going to miss it. I missed the hubub, I miss

792
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.039
all the people coming to the house. And all the people I don't usually

793
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:38.680
see many times during the year,
you were trap saying all the way to

794
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:43.000
Lexington, Yeah, we'll be in
Lexington. Yeah. And you know what,

795
01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:46.399
there's something to be said about walking
around in the comfort of your home,

796
01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:50.399
maybe barefoot or with socks on.
And then everybody leaves and you could

797
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:55.399
just kick back and now we're going
to Lexington, an hour an hour and

798
01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:58.479
ten minute trip for northern Kentucky.
And then when it's over, you got

799
01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:00.880
to schlep. I used that word. I underlined it, schled back to

800
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:04.880
northern Kentucky after a big meal when
you really want to just lay down and

801
01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:09.880
rest. Well, it's different.
It's a little different back in the day

802
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:14.840
when I was not working in the
bar and did not decide to be mister

803
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.000
do gooder and host Thanksgiving at the
bar. I always cook Thanksgiving, and

804
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:26.560
if we had people over the house
for Thanksgiving, I wouldn't I wouldn't even

805
01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:30.079
get dressed. I just put on
a robe and hope that the belt,

806
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:34.640
the belt held together over anymore.
Really, well, no I'm not there.

807
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:41.319
That's why they don't come over.
You know the best part of Thanksgiving

808
01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:45.520
when I won't be able to do
this until I get home about seven o'clock

809
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.920
on Thursday night. The best part
is when the meal's done, and especially

810
01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:56.000
if you've got you know, somebody
cleaning up the plates and everything. The

811
01:11:56.199 --> 01:12:01.119
nap, the nap is so I
mean, don't you think that that's one

812
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:04.840
of the most important parts of Thanksgiving? After you've done it, you have

813
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:08.880
a couple of bruise. If you
have a couple of bruise inside too,

814
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.199
you know, Oh no, no, that's that's that's a given for me.

815
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:16.359
I mean gonna I'm gonna have some
drinks, uh right, And the

816
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.000
weather's supposed to be good, that's
all I hear. The weather will be

817
01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:25.560
pretty good. Talking about mid fifties
and sunshine. Yeah, in years past,

818
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.760
we sit outside the fellas of the
family. We sit outside, have

819
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:31.039
a couple of cigars and talk and
it was great. You know, I

820
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.520
don't know what we're gonna do now, but you know, we'll see.

821
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:38.840
I do you have a Do you
have a favorite Thanksgiving dish that you like

822
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:42.479
the best? Is there something that
Andy really likes? And let's go to

823
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:46.159
the other other end of the spectrum
too, what's the Thanksgiving dish you could

824
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:48.800
do without? For the rest of
your life. So let's start with the

825
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:55.720
top. The best thing about Thanksgiving
traditional fee, And you're gonna say something

826
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:58.760
I don't. I don't mean to
say this to be funny. I'm being

827
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:04.680
very sincere. I could easily have
Skyline, chili, white Castles, or

828
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:09.399
anything else instead of a big Turkey
dinner. I'm not into it. I'm

829
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:12.640
really not. I'm not a fancy
guy. Chinese food is fine with me.

830
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.800
Matter of fact, one of my
sons and his wife, they're gonna

831
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:19.760
be celebrating Thanksgiving in North Carolina because
they have some family down there. His

832
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:25.159
wife does, so we took them
out for their Thanksgiving on Sunday evening and

833
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:28.279
we went to Oriental Walk in northern
Kentucky. And I loved it, and

834
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:30.399
I could go back. I could
eat there every day of the week.

835
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:32.720
I could with Mike Wang and his
family. I love Chinese food. I

836
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:35.079
could have a pizza. I have
the roses. I mean to me,

837
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:41.000
if I had a Roses pie on
Thanksgiving and the football and a couple of

838
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.039
beers, I'm in no. You
know, I'm easy to please. Is

839
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:51.279
Mike Wang related to Donnie Wong?
Could very well be Derry famous Wang family

840
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:57.359
no, Donnie Wong used to have
restaurants in Cincinnati, Chinese restaurants in Cincinnati.

841
01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.920
He did, Yeah, I think
he used to have one downtown.

842
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.680
As a matter of fact, that
began like a seventh Street. He used

843
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:09.520
to play cards in the back of
Huddles with three other older guys every Wednesday.

844
01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:14.079
And it was Donnie Wong and and
one of the guys, Mike Huddle,

845
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:17.920
who the bar was named after,
would would hear that Donnie was going

846
01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:20.079
to be there, and he goes, oh, geez, he can't play

847
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:28.000
cards, and then Donnie would clean
them all out playing playing gin uh.

848
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.800
Anyway, off track there, off
subject, So what's the what's the I

849
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:36.840
mean, you don't like turkey necessarily, but is there any other traditional Thanksgiving

850
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:44.239
meal or side item that you just
could could do without? Probably a cranberry

851
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.359
sauce. Really, I'm not big
on that, you know, I don't

852
01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:49.199
even like what it looks like,
to be honest, there's someffing I like.

853
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:53.119
I like stuffing, meshed potatoes.
I like, you know, I

854
01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:56.119
will eat the turkey, but again, you know, I eat it because

855
01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:59.439
the tradition and there's nothing else to
eat that day. That's what everybody eats.

856
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.760
They chowd down on it. But
you know what if I went to

857
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:05.520
as He's a Comby sandwich, that
I'd be fine. Really. In a

858
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:12.960
recent study, thirty one percent of
Americans responding said that their least favorite Thanksgiving

859
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:18.159
side was the green bean cast role. I'm not a huge fan of the

860
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:23.840
green bean cast role either. I
mean, give me green beans or give

861
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:28.199
me cream a mushroom soup. I
don't want them together, and I don't

862
01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:33.279
need the little yeah yeah, yeah. But you know, it's funny to

863
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:38.600
me the food is secondary. And
I may be wrong, but people are

864
01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:42.920
really go crazy. I mean I
see people in family they come to these

865
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:46.560
events on Thanksgiving Day wearing sweatpants that
are not to bust in their jeans.

866
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:50.319
Really, I mean they really,
they prepare for the food, they get

867
01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:53.800
ready for it. I'm not that
kind of guy. I mean, I'm

868
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:57.119
just happy to see family because I
don't see them often, and I'm happy

869
01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:00.720
to see him. So that was
to me a secondary on That was one

870
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.840
of the EPs that we forgot Andy
at the beginning of the conversation. There's

871
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:11.000
food, family, what else was
there? Football? Friend and friends and

872
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:15.600
friends? And there's also fat.
There are a lot of fat people who

873
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:21.119
look forward to Thanksgiving every year because
they've got they've got to stretch sweatpants and

874
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:26.439
they're ready to go. They've been
prepping all year long for this. This

875
01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:32.520
is just Thanksgiving Day for fat people
is just like yeah, but it's also

876
01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:39.159
like Tuesday or Wednesday or any other
day because they're going to overload any day

877
01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:43.920
of the week. This just gives
them an excuse to do it. What

878
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:45.840
do you think? You know,
sometimes you got to sit back and think

879
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:50.760
about what the holiday is for,
like Memorial Day and Veterans Day and the

880
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:55.039
fourth of July. Fourth of July
is not just the grill hot dogs.

881
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:59.199
I mean, there's some o.
Hell, it's not day right, it's

882
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:02.039
about patriotism, it's about the forefires. It's about a lot of people.

883
01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:12.520
It's just a girl, right and
fireworks. Thanksgiving is about being together and

884
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:18.439
being grateful for the blessings that we
have. Absolutely now right. The other

885
01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:21.880
part one of my blessings is having
you as a friend. That's that's a

886
01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:25.840
blessing. It really is. Well, that's that's really nice. Much as

887
01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:28.159
I hate to say it, it's
very hard for me to say it.

888
01:17:28.279 --> 01:17:31.399
Really it's really nice. Andy,
let's let's let's move on from that.

889
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:38.159
Let's move on from this unfortunate statement
you've just madeting. It really is football

890
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:42.359
football, football football. It was. It was one of the top three

891
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:50.199
f's when it comes to Thanksgiving,
and let's talk about our Thanksgiving football lineup.

892
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:54.239
I have to ask you. I
got to ask you this. Okay,

893
01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:58.520
the big story was Joe Burrow getting
off the plane with the bandage,

894
01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:01.239
so the alleged bandage on it,
and people are saying it was a compression

895
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:04.359
thing because he wears it on the
plane. Okay, first of all,

896
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:09.119
the big story should be and I
don't know where the journalists are around this

897
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:13.760
area, but the big stories who
put that picture on social media? Who

898
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.399
took the picture? Was it a
member of the Bengals staff? Was it

899
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:19.760
an outside I want to know,
don't you? Aren't you curious about that?

900
01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:24.399
Who put it on and who took
it off? Who made them take

901
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:28.159
it off social media? And if
so, was the person who put it

902
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.880
on punished by the Bengals, if
in fact he works for the Bengals.

903
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:34.640
That's the stuff people want to know. I want to know that. Well,

904
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:39.159
yeah, but yeah, that's that's
like, who put the bomb and

905
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:42.760
the bomb to bomb the NFL.
No, No, that's that's the story.

906
01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:45.640
You know, that's everybody's side stepping
back because they're afraid of quote.

907
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.079
Get somebody in trouble. Okay,
let me tell you something. What happened

908
01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:53.479
the other day. I happened to
read the New York Post every day online.

909
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:57.880
I used to subscribe to it.
Pronounced easy to get. Thank god

910
01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:00.880
you don't read the New York Times
because that's a rat. Anyway, go

911
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:02.319
ahead, I get live it to
my house. But there's no big deal.

912
01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:04.880
But I worked for the New York
Post when I was a kid in

913
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:09.279
college. At night, I know
someone the writers, Steve Surby, one

914
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:11.640
of the few writers that are still
there, Phil Mushton, Steve Surby.

915
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:14.239
Other than that, the rest of
them are gone. They retired. But

916
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:17.079
here's the deal. He was a
story in Yesterday's New York Post about Joe

917
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:19.960
Burrow buying a new home. Why
don't I have to read that in the

918
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:24.119
New York Post? Why can't I
read that in the Cincinnati Enquirer. I

919
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:27.239
don't understand it. I mean,
I scratched my head when I see these

920
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:31.279
stories. Joe Burrow bought a new
home for seven point five million dollars overlooking

921
01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:35.239
the Ohio River, all right,
And they had pictures overhead, pictures of

922
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:39.520
the home in the New York Post. How does that happen? Tell the

923
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:43.000
me, explain that to me.
That's steak Gary Jeff Walker. That's because

924
01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:47.079
the New York Post actually still has
reporters the inquirer does. Okay, all

925
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:51.640
right, that's why, Yeah,
all right, I hear you. Okay.

926
01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:58.359
I don't know why you're questioning why
the fish rap is the fish rap

927
01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:01.960
printed in Columbus, the Post stamp
printed in somewhere else beside Cincinnati. I

928
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:08.479
don't know why you even. I
mean, just because they print your occasional

929
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:13.399
op ed doesn't mean they're a real
newspaper. Andy, Well, they did

930
01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:15.920
the best I can with the limited
staff. That happened. The story was

931
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:19.239
quite interesting in the New York Post. Is seven point five million dollar home

932
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:23.439
on Steverl Lake. A lot of
acres are, okay, But they did

933
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:27.359
say he's going to build an indoor
swimming pool in that home, and he

934
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:29.680
has a great view of the Ohio
River. And they said that in the

935
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.439
story prior to this, he's moving
in there now. He bought it furnished,

936
01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:35.920
but prior to moving in there,
guess what, he lived in Terrace

937
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:40.399
Park and also lived at home with
his parents. So these are interesting things

938
01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:43.239
that I think people would like to
know, Okay, but I also want

939
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:45.640
to know if, in fact,
was that really a compression bandage that he

940
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:49.479
used, because they say when you
were in flight, sometimes it says swelling,

941
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:54.079
or was it really a stand hold
on, hold on, hold on

942
01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:58.079
penalties. I'm answering. I'm answering. I'm trying to answer your question.

943
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:03.640
My wife good, my wife because
of her lymphedema, which was caused by

944
01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:09.319
her breast cancer surgery in her arm
because they had to take out some lymph

945
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:14.039
nodes, so she had to wear
a compression sleeve for a while, and

946
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:19.000
especially the doctor emphasized make sure you
wear this on the plane when we flew

947
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:24.520
to Florida to visit my brother over
Labor Day weekend and spend the weekend on

948
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:29.039
his boat. Lots of people wear
compression sleeves on planes. Andy, that's

949
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:32.279
not an answering my question, because
when I had hip surgery back in May,

950
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.640
I wore a compression sleeve when I
was going to therapy. Okay,

951
01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:39.920
I get it. I understand that, But the point is that it wasn't

952
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:44.279
that was it, in fact the
compression sleeve or was it a bandaged for

953
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:47.560
an injury? Well? Why why
he looked fine in the first half of

954
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:50.720
that game, Andy, before he
was thrown down to the ground in this

955
01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:57.880
he wasn't. He wasn't injured.
He wasn't injured before the game. He

956
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:01.800
wasn't injured before the game. You
know how he was? Huh? I

957
01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:05.000
didn't say that. I want to
know the facts. I'm not saying he

958
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:08.359
was or he was not. But
how do you know that he wasn't?

959
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:14.479
Well, why why can't you just
take the Bengals word? Because this saying

960
01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.600
that's the fear of a losing a
draft pick or being fined some seventy five

961
01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:20.880
thousand dollars, but not announcing the
fact that he should have been on the

962
01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:25.479
injured list prior to the ballgame.
He wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't.

963
01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:29.159
He wasn't injured prior. He wasn't
injured prior to the ball game,

964
01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:33.680
and his performance showed that he wasn't
injured up till the know that. Okay,

965
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:35.960
all I know is this, Well, I say, is this,

966
01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:42.439
but the NFL now in bed with
professional gambling with MGM and everybody else.

967
01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.279
Is a big deal that the NFL
really and truly better get their actings.

968
01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:53.239
The only injury and it's the only
reason the injury board is only there because

969
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:56.680
of gambling. And even before the
legal gambling it was there. And I

970
01:22:56.760 --> 01:23:00.600
thought of one more f that is
tied to Thanksgiving that we we haven't mentioned

971
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:09.479
yet. You're ready? You're ready? Is f you r m A n

972
01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:15.199
Furman Furman Furman Happy Thanksgiving? Andy, you too, you and yours thank

973
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:21.079
you bye. When it's time for
an afternoon sandwich, it's time for Chester

974
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:26.680
set cheese. Chester's head cheese is
packed with choice chunks of brain, eye,

975
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:30.199
ear, and flesh. Chester seat
cheese the perfect choice for listening to

976
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:34.840
Eddie and Rocky. Head cheese is
an excellent source of antioxidants. Eddie and

977
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:39.760
Rocky are an excellent source for local
issues. One of the kind of interviews

978
01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:45.760
had fun times Eddie and Rockey.
More afternoon at three seven hundred WLW,

979
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.600
Here we go on the night cap. Our buddy Dave Hatter is back to

980
01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:56.119
talk some text stuff. Ori t
Guy from intrust It and the Mayor of

981
01:23:56.199 --> 01:24:00.640
Fort Wright and everywhere else. When
somebody has a question about the Internet of

982
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:06.359
Things world, the first call around
here is Dave Hatter, and there's good

983
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:12.079
reason because he is constantly watching all
of the trends and news stories and keeping

984
01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:15.119
track of this stuff for us.
So Dave, good evening and a happy

985
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:19.239
Thanksgiving ahead of time to you.
Well, Gary Japans always, thanks for

986
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:24.199
having me on, and happy Thanksgiving
to you and all your listeners. I

987
01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:28.760
appreciate the opportunity to try to raise
some awareness about the crazy world we live

988
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:30.560
in. Will you be at home
for Thanksgiving? Do you have to go

989
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:35.319
anywhere? What's going on? Well, you know, Gary jaff Private Hatter

990
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:40.039
does whatever General Hatter tells him too. But yes, she's having everyone over

991
01:24:40.119 --> 01:24:43.920
at our house, so it'll be
good. How about you. I am

992
01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:48.279
hosting Thanksgiving dinner at the bar where
I work for the eleventh out of twelve

993
01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:53.039
years. I bring a turkey,
I've got three different kinds of dressing,

994
01:24:53.279 --> 01:25:00.399
my special sauteed Brussels sprouts, and
probably some mashed potatoes and gravy. But

995
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:04.279
anybody else need anything else, they
can bring it. That's how I feel

996
01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:13.840
about it. Let's talk some stuff. First off, this whistleblower, whistleblower

997
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.319
from Meta, Facebook, whatever you
want to call it, has told the

998
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:25.359
Senate that their company cannot be trusted
with your children or any of our children.

999
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:29.680
Talk about this a little bit if
you can. Yeah, I think

1000
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:32.079
this is a pretty interesting story.
It's not the first, not the first

1001
01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:35.640
whistleblower to come forward. And just
a reminder for folks. Facebook change their

1002
01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:40.319
name to Meta, and Meta is
now sort of the parent brand, kind

1003
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:43.720
of like Google and Alphabet. Right, Alphabet is the parent company of Google

1004
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:46.760
and some other brands. You've got
Meta now, which is Facebook, Whatsapped,

1005
01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:53.760
Instagram, and other brand. This
guy testified before Congress. His name

1006
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:58.560
is Francis Hogan. Assuming I'm pronouncing
that right. No, no, no,

1007
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:00.960
I'm sorry, I'm mixing two guys
up. This was a different whistleblower,

1008
01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:05.640
the guy in this particular story of
Arturo Behar, who is the former

1009
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:12.279
director of engineering for Protect and Care
at Facebook, so someone that you should

1010
01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:17.920
know what he's talking about. And
he had sent an email warning of problems

1011
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:23.239
using these products, right, you
know, mental health crisis and so forth.

1012
01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:26.279
We've heard about this a lot,
and when you read some of the

1013
01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:29.039
comments here. Again, I'm not
surprised by any of this. I think,

1014
01:26:29.079 --> 01:26:31.640
you know, Gary, Jeff,
I'm not a fan of Facebook,

1015
01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:35.880
Slash, Meta, TikTok, and
a lot of these social media platforms for

1016
01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:43.199
a variety of reasons. But he
says here Meta continues to publicly misrepresent the

1017
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:46.880
level and frequency of harm that users, especially children, experience on the platform.

1018
01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:51.359
Behart told the Subcommittee on Privacy and
Technology and Law and prepared remarks,

1019
01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:56.479
and they have yet to establish a
goal for actually reducing those harms and protect

1020
01:26:56.560 --> 01:27:00.399
children. Protecting children. It's time
that the public and parents understand the true

1021
01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.319
level of harm prosed by these quote
products unquote, and it's time that young

1022
01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:08.119
users have the tools to report and
suppress online abuse. He was there too

1023
01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:11.079
for quite a while, so mean, this isn't someone who you know,

1024
01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:14.159
I mean maybe as an extra grind
that I don't know. I don't know

1025
01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:17.680
much about this guy other than this
particular situation, but he couldly was there

1026
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:21.880
for a long time and had some
you know, insider insights. So yeah,

1027
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:27.000
I think this is a warning parents
should heat well. This is actually

1028
01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.520
echoing the things that we have heard
before about dangers to kids and continue to

1029
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:38.760
hear about the dangers to kids specifically
that are exposed to you know, this

1030
01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:47.039
voluminous, incredible mountain of social media
and these apps that are so intrusive and

1031
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:55.000
invasive and don't don't care about what
they're doing to, especially a young mind

1032
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:59.920
that's still forming, you know well, and you know, Gary Jeff.

1033
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.960
This points to the other problem,
which is the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act

1034
01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:09.920
says that you have to be at
least thirteen years old to use these platforms

1035
01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:14.560
without a parent's permission. But we
all know that that just doesn't happen,

1036
01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:16.279
right, I Mean, the soap
and scale of these things is too much.

1037
01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:20.119
It's easy to impersonate someone. Most
kids are way ahead of their parents

1038
01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:24.319
anyway, So you know, we
already have a law on the books and

1039
01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:28.680
theoretically, and I think thirteen is
probably too young to be using these things

1040
01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:31.319
about parental supervision anyway, but we
already have a law on the books that

1041
01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:34.720
doesn't work. And you know,
I just want to remind folks these so

1042
01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:39.920
called free platforms, right, you
are not the customer, you are the

1043
01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:44.159
product. They're monetizing your data,
and yes, they want to monetize your

1044
01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:47.640
kids' data. They want to build
elaborate osiers about your kids because it not

1045
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:51.279
only helps them self stuff to them
today, but it helps persuade them and

1046
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:57.479
propagandize them into selling them more stuff
for their whole life. Speaking, I'm

1047
01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.439
fi something years old, you know, they might have me for another twenty

1048
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:04.680
thirty years. They'd have my ten
year old for decades and decades and decades

1049
01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:10.760
potentially. Well, you were talking
about data, and many of them will

1050
01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:15.359
try and solve our fears by saying
this is anonymous data. There's no such

1051
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:18.760
thing, is there? There is
no such thing, Gary, Jeff.

1052
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:23.880
This is a topic I have tried
to warn about for a long time,

1053
01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:27.680
and you know, thankfully there are
a lot of very smart people out there

1054
01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:30.439
who have also been warning about it, including people like MIT. Yeah,

1055
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:33.079
I think they might know a thing
or two at MIT. There's a famous

1056
01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:36.079
study they did and I'll come back
to that in a minute. But you

1057
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:41.520
know, when you talk to these
big tech companies and the data brokers that

1058
01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:45.239
buy and sell and aggregate this data, right, you know, don't claim,

1059
01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:46.319
oh, well, you don't have
anything to worry about because your data

1060
01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:51.479
is anonymised, and it's just straight
up thees scary Jeff. Now it's privacy.

1061
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:57.119
Washington use the term that folks who
like to cover their tracks like to

1062
01:29:57.199 --> 01:30:00.439
use about other people. It's the
bottom line is this, Yes, they

1063
01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:05.399
can quote anonymize your data by removing
certain pieces of information that would make it

1064
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:12.159
obvious who you are. But as
several studies have shown, again including a

1065
01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:17.479
famous one by MIT and this recent
blog post from the Electronic Frontier Foundation,

1066
01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:24.039
which I would encourage everyone to go
read because a this is something Electronic Frontier

1067
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:27.800
Foundation has been focused on for a
very long time, and b they do

1068
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:30.760
a very nice job of breaking it
down in a way that's easy to understand

1069
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:34.319
even if you're not very technical.
You know, they show from that they've

1070
01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:39.199
reverenced some of these studies. Different
studies out there have shown with as little

1071
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:44.319
as three or four pieces of information, you can easily be de anonymized and

1072
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:48.439
identified from these so called anonymous data
sets. And they lay it out for

1073
01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:51.880
you here. Okay, here's an
example. I'm reading straight from this blog

1074
01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:55.600
post. Again, I encourage people
to go find it. It's easy to

1075
01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.239
find. First, think about the
number of people that share your specific ZIP

1076
01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:01.960
or postal code. Next, think
about how many of those people also share

1077
01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:06.279
your birthday now think about how many
people share your exact birthday, zip code

1078
01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:11.119
and gender. Is it possible in
my zip code someone happens to have my

1079
01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:14.960
birthday and also be mail. Yes, but how many of those people are

1080
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:18.960
there? Gary Gifts. Then throw
in one more piece of data like you

1081
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:25.159
know, hair color or something else
you might have picked up. You know,

1082
01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:29.760
it doesn't take much data. Again, studies have shown this over and

1083
01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:33.680
over again. Three or four pieces
of data can allow you to de anonymize

1084
01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:39.720
something and specifically identify someone. So
yeah, it's just privacy washing to make

1085
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:44.399
you feel better about the fact that
these companies are making enormous amounts of money

1086
01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:46.279
buying and selling your data. And
you and I have talked about the other

1087
01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:51.199
aspect of this before, which is
the government likes to violate your Fourth Amendment

1088
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:56.039
rights by then buying this data from
private companies so they don't have to get

1089
01:31:56.039 --> 01:32:00.000
award so you know, and then
then you though it locate data from things

1090
01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:04.720
like your phone and your car easily
easy to identify. So yeah, it's

1091
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:13.079
the Dave Hatter as always you as
as always you. We get fired up

1092
01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:16.000
and you get me scared to hell, and then then you leave. This

1093
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:19.800
is like great. It's like it's
like watch it. It's watch it.

1094
01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:24.479
It's like watching a horror movie and
then having to go to bed by yourself.

1095
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:29.279
This is Dave Hander, Thank you. So I got to get back

1096
01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:32.319
down to the Boker carries yep and
shot up mental has for Thanksgiving. Brother,

1097
01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:38.000
All right, man, happy,
happy Thanksgiving again and have a wonderful

1098
01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:42.600
rest of the week. Dave had
her with us on the Nightcap on seven

1099
01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:48.560
hundred w l W. Like McConnell, here but something for you to think

1100
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about. If you miss my show, you can listen to the Mike McConnell

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shark attacks and eat your foot,
that's what's gone forever. So take my

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advice, listen to the Mike McConnell
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of me hearing me say that.
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1107
01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:27.560
Gary Jeff with the man who hosts
the Midweek Crisis in this time slot

1108
01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:30.039
on Wednesday and Thursday when he does
have a show, and it's kind of

1109
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:35.319
all related to when their college basketball
games are being played, and especially this

1110
01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:40.399
time of year, there's all kinds
of holly holiday tournaments. But Dan,

1111
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.640
I know you got a show tomorrow
night, which is, by the way,

1112
01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:48.399
the busiest bar night of the year. I am a bartender, but

1113
01:33:48.479 --> 01:33:50.960
I do not work at night,
so I'm glad I don't have to deal

1114
01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:56.439
with those amateurs. So you will
be on Tomorrow night from nine to twelve

1115
01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:02.800
while people are getting absolutely plowed and
getting into trouble. So I mean,

1116
01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:10.920
what have you prepared for the Thanksgiving
listening tomorrow night on the biggest party night

1117
01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:14.159
of the year. You have a
party plan? Well? Yeah, and

1118
01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:16.279
Gary Jeff. Before we go any
further, I just want to say Happy

1119
01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:20.439
Thanksgiving to you and Happy Thanksgiving to
all your listeners. I've heard you say

1120
01:34:20.520 --> 01:34:28.319
it multiple times that Thanksgiving is your
favorite holiday, and I like things.

1121
01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:33.600
It probably is my favorite holiday too. We had a little family get together

1122
01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:40.760
this past weekend and it was it
was all the brothers and sisters because on

1123
01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:44.560
Thanksgiving we're all going a thousand different
directions, but we try to get together

1124
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:47.960
I mean prior to a Thanksgiving every
year, and we were able to pull

1125
01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:51.399
it off this year. And you
know when you sit down with the turkey

1126
01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:56.720
and the stuffing and the mashed potatoes
and all that stuff, and we sat

1127
01:34:56.800 --> 01:35:00.000
around and we talked and there wasn't
a lot of self being used, and

1128
01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:04.359
it was it was that kind of
thing that that makes me think about what's

1129
01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:10.039
what's really great about this holiday?
And it's family. You know our friend

1130
01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:15.439
Glenn from Mason who passed away,
what is it now, a couple of

1131
01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:19.960
years I suppose, yeah, I
think so. Yeah. But he called

1132
01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:24.760
me one night and it was on
it was on this night. It was

1133
01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:30.680
on the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving,
and it was late at night and and

1134
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:32.880
I thought, man, here we
go, you know, because Glenn was

1135
01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:38.119
always he was always ready locked and
loaded and ready to rock, ready to

1136
01:35:38.439 --> 01:35:43.079
chat. And he called me that
night and I said, Glenn, what

1137
01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:47.479
are you doing? And he was
he was preparing a meal for his family

1138
01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:51.840
that was going to come over that
night. And I, well, I

1139
01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:56.319
guess the next day actually, because
the next day was Thanksgiving Day. And

1140
01:35:56.439 --> 01:35:58.920
I said, you know, Glen, I said, let's just put our

1141
01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:02.560
differences aside. Tonight and talk about
what really matters. And we talked for

1142
01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:10.720
about fifteen minutes about family and the
importance of that and preparing a meal and

1143
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:14.960
the kind of things that he liked
to do. And you know, that

1144
01:36:15.239 --> 01:36:17.680
is where we were able to find
common We were able to find common ground

1145
01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:21.520
on a few items, but that
is one area where we really found common

1146
01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:25.880
ground. And you know, and
when you sit there and talk to someone

1147
01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:30.720
like that, even though we had
some mega battles in the past, we

1148
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:35.159
found common ground that night. And
it was one of the most memorable conversations

1149
01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:41.399
I ever had at that radio station
on seven hundred WLW talking to Glenn from

1150
01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:45.560
Mason. Well you know what I
had, Dan, I had one or

1151
01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:49.159
two of those kind of conversations over
the years with Glenn, And when I

1152
01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:55.079
heard of him passing, I did
not think about all the vitriol. I

1153
01:36:55.119 --> 01:36:59.520
didn't think about the battles. I
didn't think about the vehement disagreements. I

1154
01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:03.840
thought of about those few conversations where
Glenn was just a real human being like

1155
01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:09.840
I was, and we talked on
that level. And that's what I still

1156
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:14.479
remember about Glenn from Mason when anybody
brings him up. So that's that's a

1157
01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:19.279
great story, and and that's kind
of yeah. I feel like we've sort

1158
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:25.279
of crossed the rubicon in our country
there, because if these days, if

1159
01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:30.199
you get into a disagreement with anyone
about anything, it seems like there's no

1160
01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:35.039
coming back from that anymore. We
disagree on this issue, and we will

1161
01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:39.920
never h you know, we will
never break bred again, we will never

1162
01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:43.920
come to a meeting of the minds
again. And I think we have really

1163
01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:47.600
gone too far down that road.
So U on Thanksgiving night, I'm gonna,

1164
01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:53.039
I'm gonna talk politics. You know, one thing that I'm looking at

1165
01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:57.520
I was looking at right before you
called me, is how Carne John Pierre,

1166
01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:01.039
the spokesperson you mean, hold on, hold on, you mean the

1167
01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:08.760
lesbian ramenhead who's the White House Press
secretary. You know who I'm talking about.

1168
01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:16.279
She said, she said that this
Thanksgiving, the Thanksgiving meal is going

1169
01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:20.600
to cost a lot less this year
thanks to Joe Biden. And that is

1170
01:38:21.399 --> 01:38:27.279
an absolute falsehood. And the lies
that continue to come from this White House

1171
01:38:27.359 --> 01:38:31.279
and this administration are just astounding.
And so I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

1172
01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:38.399
I'm working on getting our friend e
j Antoni from the Heritage Foundation on to

1173
01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:43.920
break that down for us, because
this year's Thanksgiving meal is going to set

1174
01:38:44.199 --> 01:38:47.960
an all time record high. So
well that's the thing they The thing they

1175
01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:53.479
keep talking about is that turkey's less
this year, down from last year.

1176
01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:57.640
But anyway, go ahead, but
everything. But I was going to say,

1177
01:38:57.640 --> 01:39:00.880
I know you're providing a meal for
your friends, all your friends and

1178
01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:04.720
anyone who walks off the street at
Huddles, which I think is a wonderful

1179
01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:10.199
thing, and I congratulate you on
that, and I just want people to

1180
01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:13.520
know that you're going to be digging
a little bit deeper in your own pockets

1181
01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:17.600
this year to provide that. So
I know other people bring dishes and things

1182
01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:21.319
like that, and I think that's
a beautiful thing. But you know,

1183
01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:25.479
Gary, Jeff, that to me, that's that's really what it's all about.

1184
01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:29.520
Oh yeah, it's totally what it's
all about. It's about getting together.

1185
01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:32.399
And I was we were just earlier
this hour. I was talking with

1186
01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:38.159
Andy Furman, you know, and
talking about the three apps of football of

1187
01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:43.199
Thanksgiving. You know, it's a
family and food and football, And then

1188
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:45.640
we thought of all the we thought
of all the other fs that go along,

1189
01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:50.680
including faith, and I finished the
conversation by saying, Andy, I

1190
01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:55.479
thought of another F that I can
say on the radio. And he said,

1191
01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:59.199
oh, oh no, here it
comes nice. Here we go f

1192
01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:06.279
you r M A N. Furman. Furman goes with Thanksgiving too. Do

1193
01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:10.119
you have do you have any other
FS that you can think of, Dan,

1194
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:13.399
that would fit? Oh? Now, at don't you're gonna put me

1195
01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:15.279
on the spot. I don't know
if I'm going to be able to think

1196
01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:18.800
of anything, but maybe between now
and tomorrow night, around this time,

1197
01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:21.479
I might be able to think of
something. Okay, think of some arable

1198
01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:29.359
FS that go with Thanksgiving besides family, food and football and faith very important,

1199
01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.880
Dan Carroll. Then we're gonna talk
or we're gonna talk Thanksgiving. Then

1200
01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:36.520
we're gonna talk Thanksgiving tomorrow night,
all right, Dan Carroll, the midweek

1201
01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:41.199
crisis tomorrow night from nine to midnight. And with that, it is time

1202
01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:45.159
for me to take my leave,
and we leave you with the national anthem,

1203
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:48.319
the Star Sprangled banner to honor America
on seven hundred W l W