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Hey everybody, this is Less Drive. Yes, yes, I know aka
Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Honist. He didn't Welcome
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remember there and help support the show. I got to sit down and talk
to Richard DeShane, who is Kyle's father, and he was with me on
the expedition up to Radium last October, and I got Richard on not only
did to talk about the experiences that we had together, but to talk about
some of the experiences that he and Kyle experienced in the Adirondacks, and to
talk about his siting that I have shared a video of over on YouTube.
But I wanted him to tell you in his own words. So we'll get
into that in just a second. If you are in the mary In North
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to see you guys out there. But enough of that. I know you
guys are ready to get into it. Richard's on the line. He's ready
to go. All it's levet for you to do is sit back, relax,
and enjoy the show. I want to welcome our guest to the show.
It is Richard from New York. Welcome to the show man. Hey,
how are you? I am good man. I feel like I haven't
seen you in a month of Sundays. It was last October since I saw
you. You and I were up in radio me You, Kyle Todd Ashley.
We'll get into some of that stuff here in a little bit. I
certainly want to talk about the radium experience, but before that, you've had
other experiences with what could possibly be Sasquad, So why don't we start there.
I know you had some dealings with these things, possibly in the Adirondecks.
Why don't you take us back to where you were, what you were
doing, and tell us what happened there. Yeah, Kyle and I had
decided to go up to the ad Arundecks deer hunting because it was an earlier
season where we live here, so we feure we'd get in up there and
get a little early hunting in. We had a pickup camper at the time.
I used to live like five hundred feet from the state trailhead and it
was a big parking lot, so we backed in there. It was nice,
easy walk right down the trail. I knew that like the back of
my hand because I was there for years and I used to hike that trail
all the time. So we had gone in there hunting. We got up
early and banked down the trail, signed in and everything. We're in there
for a little while, and then we started hearing a bunch of guys walking
around and yelling and talking, and it was like, Ah, this ain't
gonna be good. So we decided to cut off the trail a little bit
farther, and we started hearing one of them saying, I'm lost, I
can't find where I'm going. I'm going to fire off a shot. We're
yelling no, don't shoot. I told Carlos that we need to leave.
Let's go somewhere else. So we hiked farther down the trail and went in,
and then we were in there pretty much the whole day. Then on
the way out, we decided to stop in a low spot because the parking
lot was up high up on an and the bankman the road dropped down and
everything, so we were in a nice, pretty heavy wooded area right there.
He was not quite dark yet. It was pretty light yet, but
it was getting late, so I figured it would be close to the truck
and everything in case we got something. Started hearing all this noise, and
at first I was like, that sounds like a bear pulling branches, rolling
rocks whatever. I'm like, we're only a mile from the dunk, and
I know there's one hundred bears over here because I'd lived there for quite a
while. So I was like, I'm just going to sit here and watching
Kyle, Who's going to walk to a different spot and sit so he had
gone off a little bit and he started hearing it and hearing more and comes
over. Is that a bear? I'm like, Nah, that can't be
a bear. That's way too much noise for a bear. It's definitely not
deer, because you could hear branches breaking and rocks being rolled, and it
was just crazy. This isn't good. And I didn't think nothing about sasquats
then, because I'd been up there so long. I never seen anything.
When I was a kid, seen a lot of bearer up there, but
this was way more wrecked than that. We finally ended up getting out of
there and went back up to the camper. It was getting dark and us
said they don't need to be out here in the dark. We didn't have
lights with us at that point. We sued we'd be out earlier, so
we just sat in the camper and talked about it. It was pretty interesting.
I mentioned it at the beginning. You and I actually got to spend
what was it, seven days up in radium together, me, you,
Kyle, Todd Ashley were all up at the radium site. Let's talk a
little bit about how that trip came about for you. How did it unfold,
why were you so interested in that area? Then once we get into
that, then we'll talk about what our experience was. I've shared my experience
plenty of times. I want people to understand and know what your experience was
there. But why was that trip so important to you and why were you
wanting to make that trip in the first place. Ever since that, Kyle
started going up there with Todd and telling me about everything that was going on
and what happened to him, and I was like, man, I got
to get up there. He's always been interested in Sasquatch and bigfoot, so
it was like, yeah, Kylin and I do a lot of stuff together.
We always have. We've been real close, so it was like,
yeah, I'll do whatever it takes. I want to get up there.
I want to go out there and see what you're experiencing and just have the
plast And then he told me you were coming out and I was like,
yeah, I definitely got to get up there, and yes, he's going
to be a cool trip. So that was really the biggest part of Vegas.
I wanted to spend some time with him and see what he was doing
up there and all that. So I was glad I went I know me
too, man. It was one of the trips of the lifetime for me.
So let's talk a little bit about what you felt. The drive was
about three hours from the airport to where we were going, but let's talk
about once we hit that logging road. We're heading back to base camp.
Let's start there and just walk through what your experience was. What were you
feeling about the area, what were you seeing, and how were you feeling
about the trip Once we hit that logging Once we hit that loggin right,
I was just an off the beauty of the mountains. They're like seven times
bigger than what we are here, and the cat scales. It was crazy.
I was like, man, I just want to hike to the top
of everything. But we hit that log and road and I'm thinking, okay,
we're not far now. And then we kept going and go and I'm
like, man, how do you remember where you're going at here? It's
one road, but then you got all these cut offs. We met that
one logging truck, but other than that, we didn't see anybody. And
it was miles and miles. Wow, this is really out there. He
said. It was remote. We had talked about that before it was like,
we have no idea how remote it is until you're out there driving.
And we cut off that one road and then we stopped to get water.
That stream was beautiful, very crystal clear, cool. This could be That
was awesome. I definitely had to drink some of that. That was pretty
good. And going up to camp and then taking that little side road,
I'm looking all over it. I'm I going to see something walking through the
woods. Am I going to see something open? I'm trying to watch everywhere
and couldn't keep my head facing forward. It was always spinning around, trying
to hold conversation and look around and try and see if there's anything. I'm
seeing all these stumps and stuff around. I'm like, what's that? What's
that? What's that? And we got to the campus and I was like,
they're small campers, but at least they not completely covered in trees.
They got a little opening. This will be good. But yeah, it's
definitely out there. I don't think I've ever been that far out away from
civilization. I've been a lot of places. My dad lived in an old
school bus out but I think it was Pennsylvania. He used to go out
and stay out there for a week at a time and come home on weekends.
I thought that was remote, but he was only five miles from town.
This was way out there. Yeah. I got a little worried when
we lost cell reception about thirty miles before we hit that turn off on that
logging road. We were completely dead in the water. At that point.
I knew we had this star link out there in base camp where we were
headed. But man, I tell you, I've tried to convey that to
people on the show. When I've talked about it with Wayne on that Bigfoot
podcast, and I've talked about it over here as a guest on other shows.
Go out my experiences there. I have never been that deep in a
remote area. We were literally eighteen miles back on this logging road that we
were on where base camp was. There is absolutely nobody out there. The
first thing that went through my mind, of course, I was skeptical going
into this. I just felt like I was going to be hoaxed. While
I was there. I had these conversations obviously with Todd and Kywa while we
were there. Since then, even I just had this feeling that I was
going to experience some things that we're going to be people running around in the
woods until I got to base camp. And the second we drove in there
and I saw those campers, I said, there is no frickin way there
is anybody else out here besides us. There's one way in, one way
out, and you're going to hear people. That's the thing. We did
have people coming and going. As Todd and Ashley would come into base camp,
we could hear them coming. We'd hear the vehicle, we heard Jason,
which well, I want to talk about Jason a little bit here.
Shortly you're there and you hear these people coming in, we go meet them.
It's Todd, Ashley, it's Jason. But that was one of the
questions that people kept asking me before I'd start to get into my experiences and
some of the things we experienced up there, was how do you know it
wasn't somebody running around in the woods beaten on a tree that Todd was paying
to be up there. I'm like, no, dude, you'd have to
see it to understand it. That. I guess seeing is always believing when
it comes to that stuff. I talked about this in my book. I
did an entire chapter about our experiences there. With me, you, Kyle,
Todd, and Ashley some of the things that we saw and experienced there.
But let's start walking through chronologically for you, some of the experiences that
you had once we got to base camp, once we got settled in that
night, and then when the experiences started. Let's just go down that road.
What was that experience like for you? What were you experiencing that could
possibly be Sasquatch related. Yeah, when we first got there, we got
everything in the camper and I was like, man, this isn't going to
be all that come. So I had that little tiny bunk in the bathroom.
I had to sit down and then lay on my back and then pull
my legs to my knees to my chest and swing my feet up and over
to get in and then try and get in a sleep in the bag.
But once I got in there, it wasn't too bad. We walked walked
around out there. Kyle took us out and he was showing us tree brikes.
I wanted to get out there. I wanted to do the hike.
I was so looking forward to the hike up the mountain with Jason. I
was like, that ain't going to come quick enough. I want to get
going. I want to hike. I was dying to get out there.
I just wanted to hike the whole time we're there and look around, and
I wanted to see everything. I wanted to explore. And Kyle made sure
we did some exploring, and he took us out there. And which way
do you want to go? Where do you want to go? I'll show
you this trail. I'll show you that trail after that. That's what we
didn't There was nobody. If there was anybody out there, they had no
clue were rooming in the areas that we went. There was no way anybody
could have been there beforehand pre planned, because you and I we just said
I want to go that way, I want to go that way. Let's
go over here, let's go over there. There was nothing anywhere except us.
It was enjoyable. Let's talk a little bit about the tree breaks.
That's something that I've tried to again express the people I have found to what
I believe to be tree breaks and some weird structures and things here on our
land, but nothing like we were seeing up there in Radium. It was
insane how many tree breaks in some of these areas that we were seeing.
Can you talk a little bit about what you were seeing and your impression of
the tree breaks. Do you think they were sasquatch related? Do you think
that it's possible that some of those were natural. Yeah, a lot of
the ones who looked at Kyle was helping us go through what they felt was
natural, what they thought was sasquatch. By the way they were broken,
the direction they were all seemed to be pointing right out a logging road a
trail. Deer don't do that. I've seen where deer got their hip.
Ones tangled up and Kyle showed us where a caribou or a moose or whatever
was up there. And on that one trail we walked and it just shredded
it. And these weren't like that. The branches weren't broke, they were
nice what they call clean breaks. I mean, I've been in lugging most
of my life, ever since i was like five years old. You know,
when they cut trees and they snapped. While the trees off, they
weigh, they splinter, and the way they split these were nothing like that.
And the ones that really got me were the ones that were really high
up in the air at ten twelve fourteen feet. I was like, oh
my god, another tree didn't come down and hit it. Snowload should have
taken the smaller ones around it. There's just so much as compared to where
they were and what was around them and what wasn't around them, that made
them so interesting. We would have had to have a heck of a time
just to climb the tree to look at it. Some of them there were
huge trees. They don't usually do that. I've got trees in my backyard
that the liddled were down. They snapped off like eight ten feet and they
peeled the bark off, so they're splintering like crazy, and there's pieces all
over the place. And we didn't see any of that when we're out there.
These tree brakes were in the middle of nowhere, pointing right towards the
trail we had come off. Some of them are right near the road.
It was fascinating. I know, you and I both were eyeing them things
like crazy. Every time we turned around, We're walking into one. Yeah,
they're everywhere in the foot plants that the alleged What were we joking?
I was always saying, it's an impression. It is an impression, right,
they were everywhere, and in that spang of moss up there. I've
tried to for people that aren't familiar with that and don't have that in the
area that they're in. We don't have that here in North Carolina. There's
some mossy places here and there, but nothing like there. It's that spongy.
If you've seen Discovering Bigfoot the documentary, you've seen some of that,
because that's the same thing that doctor Meldrum and bendro Nagel they were looking at
that Todd was showing them around. It's that same sort of thing, and
these things were pretty easy to spot it, at least for me. We
saw quite a few footprints. Were you just as impressed with the footprints as
I was? Well, Yeah, that one huge track that was close to
camp that cops showed us, that was pretty impressive. All the other ones
we saw. You were spotting a lot passion than I was. My eyes
just couldn't figure out with the leaves and stuff until I got close. I
was more looking at for structures and tree breaks. I was trying to look
for prince, but you always seem to do to find the prince, and
I was finding the tree breaks. Yeah, we made a pretty good team.
I remember, or help me remember here. I don't know if it
was the first day or the second day. When we took the e bikes
out for the first time and we were leaving camp. That was the first
time that I felt like we were having some sort of an interaction. If
you will, can you talk a little bit about that, what you heard
and what was your impression about when we heard those sounds for the first time.
We got the e bikes and you and I had no clue how to
run into things or use them, so that was pretty interesting to get figured.
Mine kept giving me a hard time, but yeah, we got ready
to go down the pork Pine trail. We had played around by the campers
with them a little bit, and that Kyle was going to take us down
the Porcupine trail. There. We got up by that little intersection and all
of a sudden, we all stopped because we had heard the woodnock And you
said, was that a wouldnot? Because yep, sure it was. So
we're the list of it, and we heard another one. It's no that
campy, it's broad daylight. It's crazy. So we were just sitting there
and we're like, we're waiting, and you were like, if well I
hear another one, we're going to go take a walk. And it was
nothing, and I was like, man, And the thing that got me
was where the campers were and where we were. Where we kept hearing all
that noise to the campfire sitting out there. It was all across the porcupine
trail in that one general direction, and I kept wanting to go there.
I kept wanting to go there, and we never went and I crossed over
into that natural, unlogged, untouched area. We kept going everywhere else,
and I kept looking over there and I was like, everything's coming from there,
why aren't we going over there? And then we finally did at the
end of everything, and that's when we found that big structure and I was
like, I knew there was something over here. I did take Kyle over
there once because I thought I heard something. I said, I want to
walk in there. And we'd walked in there a little bit and I kept
walking around in circles and looking around and didn't really see much or anything.
I said, all right, let's go back to camp. But Kyle and
I had just wandered off by our arms a few minutes there because I just
had a feeling that if something was out there and I wanted to go check
it out. But I think that Todd and Ashley were there at the time,
and you were talking with Todd and Nashley, and I just said to
Kyle, let's go, I want to go over there. We didn't find
anything, but it was still that I wanted to go deeper in there,
but we never got there till that last day we went in there. Boy,
that was so much fun on those e bikes. Once we figured America,
we got going and Kyle took us on some crazy trails. The views
and the water and that gully with the bridge that was just so awesome.
Some of the best natural beauty I have ever seen in my life. Being
out in that area and just taking the e bikes out and having a blast
doing forty miles an hour down a hill on an e bike is pretty exhilarating.
Man. It was a beautiful time. Let's talk a little bit about
what happened at night. There was a couple of nights. I think we
had the one night before Todd and Ashley got out there that you and I
and Kyle were sitting around the fire. We weren't having a hole a lot
of stuff going as far as Bigfoot, but we sure shit had some things
going on in the sky. I've talked a little bit about that on other
shows. Can you talk a little bit about some of the things that we
were seeing in the night sky that night. I mean, it was a
nice clear night that night, and it was pretty coold. We were all
pretty much standing right next to the firewood, turning in our backs to it
to warm up, and then turned back around the warm up the front,
and we saw a shooting star and then we started seeing either way, what
is that? There was a plane, You could tell them the plane.
It was low compared to what we were seeing later. And then that one
shooting star came across and exploded, and it looked like fireworks that came directly
from the side of and it made no noise. That's what fascinated me.
It was just like a boom, but there was no noise. It just
exploded and to all these sparkly things and it was just crazy and then disappeared.
And then we started noticing way up there and people said, oh,
it's just a plane. No, these things were way farther away. Than
any plane I've ever seen. They were all over the place, crossing.
We were watching the one there's zigzagging, and they were moving fast. You
watch a plane go over and you could sit there and watch you with your
eyes. These things were moving so fast. Shoot, lose them. We
were losing them, and they're like, where'd that go? It was just
there and then from another direction, and then we thought those were going to
collide at one point and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see we'll be
right back. After these messages. It was just fascinating. I was like,
yeah, they are definitely not playing. They're not satellites. People say,
oh, there's satellites. I don't think I've ever occurred or seen a
satellite move most of it. When I look outside here, I know it's
a satellite and it just sits there. And every night I take my dog
out of and I look up at it and I know it's a satellite.
It's not moving, it's in the same spot. It's not a star.
So yeah, there's no way that if there's that many satellites up there they're
moving that fast. Our technology is way more in advanced than they're letting us
know. Yeah. When I first started talking about that experience, that's what
I was getting emails about. Oh dude, you were just seeing satellites,
that's all it was. It wasn't UFOs. It was all satellites. That's
what they do. And They're sending me all this stuff on satellites and I'm
like, no, man, these things were moving I've estimated a couple of
thousand miles an hour at least, and then I watched one with the binoculars
go straight up and stop and make a left hand ninety degree turn on a
dime. No satellite is going to do that. Nothing's going to do that
that I'm aware of that we have the technology to fly on our own would
be able to do that and make some ninety degree turn from a dead stop
from two thousand miles an hour. It was some of the crazy shit I've
ever seen. Man. We had a lot of experiences that I took away
from that, but that was one of the wildest experiences I think I've ever
had. I saw a UFO from pretty close up when I was sixteen,
and this was nothing like that. I felt like I was watching something that
I wasn't supposed to see and that very few people ever get the opportunity to
see. It was almost like a Sasquatch siding for me in a way.
Obviously it wasn't a sasquatch siding. That same elation and that feeling I think
I would have had I had a sasquatch encounter and a siding. I think
that's what I walked away with after that night. You did come out of
the trailer at one point in time during the night and have an encounter.
I've shared that on the YouTube channel in another places, but this is the
first time you've been on here to tell your encounter face to face. So
why don't you take us back to what you were doing and what was going
on that night when you had your encounter. Yeah. So I'd get up
probably two or three times a night to have to go outside and use a
little tree out there. And I always slept from my back to the window
because knowing we were in the Sasquatch area, I was like, I do
not want to wake up from a dead sleep and the face to face eyebobble,
eyeballt with one of these things peering net at me. So I slept
with my back to Linda and whenever I woke up, I was facing into
the camper and I would roll my head around and look around because the front
of the camper where Kyle was, he was surrounded by nothing but windows.
So I got to look around to make sure nothing was peeking in before I
even got out of that bone. And then when I did it, I
peeked around the corner with the little wall there over the table, and I'd
looked and I looked towards the back of the camper to that little intersection.
I'd search the woods. I wanted to see maybe something sneaking around. I
can get a sighting, and I want to see someone walking by. Also,
I don't want to walk out and run into that bear that they were
worried about so much while we were there, because Todd said he was a
pretty big bear, and I was like, yeah, I don't want to
run into him, especially up there. Don't want to do that, So
I'm going to look around. I took him minute, and I would scan
the whole area around all the windows, from the back of the camper to
the front and even towards your camper, just to make sure there was nothing
between Before I went out and the camper door on our camper was pretty noisy.
The screen door was like cock eyed and attached to the main door,
so you had to kick the bottom of the door to get the door open.
The screen door and the door, so it made a lot of noise
or anything that was out there was going to be gone or at least know
I was coming. I looked around and I said, Okay, no bears,
I'm going out. So I'd go out. And I walked over by
the fire pit, which was what probably thirty feet from the camper, somewhere
in there. I went just to the right event there's a bunch of little
trees there, and I was going and I'd been there multiple times, multiple
nights, because like I said, I'd get up to her three times a
night, and I happened to look in this one spot. But I always
scanned around while I was going, because I Kyle had his experience right there
and other people right around camp, so I was always scanning while I was
standing there, and my eye caught that one spot. And it's like when
you look at something every day, say you're looking at you you go out
one your sea beer deal every day and some pitch says something looks different.
What is that? I just saw a dark mass. It wasn't moving,
and I was like, maybe it's just a light. I'm looking around.
I squatted down, I stood up, I moved over and moved around,
and I said, it's not movement. I can't see past. I can't
see you around the edges of it to see if there's light behind her.
Now, So so I'm gonna sometimes when you if you look at it,
deuce sees you, and you turn away, and then you look back.
They move when you turn away. So I looked back at the camper and
I looked back and it was still there. And I said, it's not
a bear, because if there was, I'd be gone by now. That
thing would have had me. You'd be talking about Kyle's dad dropped molded by
a bear. He's no longer with us, instead of you had an experience.
So I started walking towards it. I don't know why I decided to
walk towards it. I guess in my mind, I still thought it was
this light player shadow play. And I walked probably another five or ten feet,
and then I stopped and I was like, common sense said, don't
go any further. Just go back, and I was like, okay,
I'm just gonna look. So I backed up and then I turned around and
just walked in and got in the camper. I said, when Kyle gets
up, all I have know what I saw. And that's what I did.
I went back in the camp later on when I got up, and
then I got a carle up and I told him what happened, and he's
showed me. So took him out there and we got you there, and
I showed him and he walked down and off that and I said, I
thought that was the trail, but the trail went to the right of that
little tree and then went down to the left of that tree behind that.
I didn't even realize it was a great big hole. Kyle stepped down in
there, and as soon as he walked in that one spot and I said,
right there, I said, the top of your head was about where
he goes, there's a great big hole here. So I walked to the
edge and looked down and I was like, wow, that is a big
hole. It was probably what four feet deep something like that. It actually
blocked off part of where the trail was. I said, what's at the
bottom of the hole was that a footprint, and he looked down and he
said, sure, it looks like it. And that's when we all went
over and looked at it, and there was definitely two impressions in there,
and then Kyle found what we looked to be two more coming out of there.
So that's when it hit me that I saw it. It's not the
sighting I wanted, but I saw it because the way I see it,
if it's leaving Prince, it has to be real. If you see a
bear track in the woods, but if you don't see the bear, does
that mean it doesn't exist. It has to It left the Prince. The
hunters followed deer tracks and bear tracks. Just because you don't see it.
You see a great, big, huge print, you're like, man,
that's a big one. Has to be real. It left Prince, it
has to be real. That really got me. I really wanted to stay
out there, and I wanted to push even harder just to get a better
joint. I was quite happy with my sighting. Exactly what you described is
what we found. It was a huge hole. So this thing must have
been massive for you to see what you saw of it from where it was
standing, and there was two large impressions. What would be I would consider
shoulder with the part for one of these things standing in the perfect place to
look a at you, but could stood there entire night, for any of
the nights that we were out there and watched us around the campfire. It
was the perfect advantage point for these things to come in and watch from a
distance. We would never know they were there because to say the words pitch
dark out there is an understatement. It was zero dark thirty because there's no
ambient light out there. There's no light pollution at all. We didn't use
headlamps and flashlights and shit like that when we were out It was just the
campfire and us. Those things could have easily been standing there watching us the
whole time. We did have some wood knocks, We had some vocalizations.
I don't know if you heard what I've said to be like samurai chatter that
I know Ashley and I heard, and I think Kyle might have heard it
that we were hearing sitting around the camp I did catch a little bit of
that on audio. I have not released it because Todd was of course talking
over it when it happened, so it's just a little bit of it that
we heard, but we did have a lot of crazy stuff going on.
I tell you, one of the things that has out to me right up
there with all the strange lights and what I believe to be UFOs that we
saw, was the night we went on the night walk. Can you talk
a little bit about that and what that was like for you from your vantage
point that experience. Oh man, we were sitting around the campfire and Tod
we should go for a night walk. Who's up, everybody's yet, Let's
go. I was like, I'm not going to be sitting by myself.
I had to go put another jacket on because all of a sudden, I
was just shaking so crazy. And I don't know if it was the adrenaline.
I didn't feel threatened anything like that. It was just I felt like
it was excitement. But we put our jackets on and we walked up and
we met in that little intersection. Then we were getting ready to do our
walk down through and Todd was talking to us and I was shaken uncontrollably.
My chest. It just felt like my shoulders were being squeezed right tight.
It was hard to breathe and it hurt, and I was like, oh
man, why I'm trying to loosen up? And I was so cold there.
I was like it was just crazy, and I'm like, why am
I feeling I'm not scared. I don't feel scared. I'm still going.
I'm not staying. There's no way, I said, if anything's going to
happen, and as I want to be part of that, Todd and Kyle
go on front. I walked behind Kyle because I could just make out the
back to Kyle because it was, like you said, super dark and we
had no lights, we didn't want to use any legs, and I was
just trying to watch Kyle and I kept getting back between the legs with these
little tiny trees that were in the trail, and I was like, no,
come, Kyle's not walking around these, and why isn't he saying anything
to me? There must be paypack for all the time when I kept smacking
him with branches because he was following too close. I was trying to watch
him, and I was trying to watch Todd, and I was trying to
stay next to you so that we were all together. I started getting my
vision, my night vision at least, so you could see a little bit
and then I started spotting these little trees and I was trying to walk around
them and step over the sticks. And then Tod's like, they're watching us,
and I'm like, oh, and I'm trying to look around. I
didn't want to walk into Kyle. Yeah, everybody stopped, and I'm still
walking some I'm trying to stop. Then we got all the way down in
there to that one opening and He's like, we're gonna sit down. I
didn't hear that. What are we doing? And cous like, oh,
we can sit down okay, and You're like, nah, I don't feel
comfortable doing that. And then Todd went and sat down and come on,
it's over here. So we walked down just a little bit when and Kyle
sat down and said, up, all right, if everybody's sitting down,
I guess we're sitting down. And I think you and Ashley kept wandering around
a little bit and you finally sat down. We just sat down and we
heard that one little wood knock a little while later, and it was like
then it was dead silent. There was nothing like Okay, that must have
done a goodbye. So we had it back at once. We sat down
and it was after that woodknock. I totally relaxed. I wasn't shaking.
My chest loosened right up and I was comfortable, and I was like,
this is cool. Can we do some work. And we had it back
up to the camp and then sat around the fire somewhere and just talked and
talked a lot of that night because there was nothing else to do. We
had no salt services, no tps out there, there's no radio, there's
nothing, and it was nice to to chat with you the stories and all
the experiences, and it was just phenomenal. I loved it. I'd love
to do it again. Yeah, it was a great time, man.
And some of the stuff that we heard, the whoops that we heard,
the wood knocks that we heard, I have never experienced before or since.
I've talked about Jason being up there and that whole I think the second or
third day we were there is when we walked up. We did the hike
with Jason because he was going up to Ascend Radium and he was going to
spend ten days out in the bush by himself. I've had people say to
me, oh, you had this other guy up there. It had to
be him in the woods doing all the things that you guys were hearing.
We did have Jason scheduled at two times. We've had to reschedule for different
reasons. I'm going to try to get him back on the show, get
him scheduled to come and talk about his experiences. But just for the record,
you were there. It's not just me now. You were there.
You saw where Jason was in relation to where we were. What do you
think? This is obviously your opinion. I'm asking for what is the chances
of any of the stuff that we were hearing or experiencing being Jason doing any
of that stuff while he was there and we were there? Absolutely zero?
Because you and I and Kyle hiked him up there, and that was an
awesome hike. It was far, it was steep, and Kyle knows I
got to be in the lead. I tried my best to stay in the
lead the whole way up, but he was a brutal backpack was super heavy,
and I carried some of the food to help him out because he just
had no more room. His pack was so full. We hiked up there
and we watched him hype up from where we stopped, and we all wanted
to go with him. We stashed some food for him so he'd have it
on the way back, but we watched him hike up there and there's no
way, and then to hike back down, There's no way he was going
to keep up with us coming back down with that pack that heavy. We
watched them for probably fifteen minutes hike up and watched them hike up. You
videotaped them hike him up. After we took pictures and struck our hands in
the ice water and got drinks and did all that and chatted a little bit,
and then he headed up there, and yeah, there's no way.
Can you see I thought the same thing when I saw Tayson. I'm like,
oh, that's convenient. Personally, I don't think is that Todd hoaxed
anything. I don't know about way back when. I just know from when
I met him from that point on, Todd when he came to New York
through Kyle, because Kyle talked about him a lot, and then he came
up and I went over to visit with him over at Kyle's. But yeah,
there's no way Jason could have got back down and done that because the
only way to get to where we were was, like you said, you
had to drive in, and even if you walked in, you had to
walk past the camper. If you went through the woods, you're really roughing
it. And you would have seemed like is you're not walking through those which
with no light to get around to where because that was all that natural stuff
that had never ever been cut. Where we found that major tree structure,
just walking to that point. If the rest of the woods is like that,
there's no way. We were in broad daylight. We had trouble.
We were tripping and we were falling, we were scrambling up over things,
and there was just no way. So let's talk about that. Let's close
out there, let's talk about it was the last day that we were there.
We're getting ready to close everything down, and we'd go out and we
just decided to take this impromptu walk in the woods. And again it's all
of us, It's me, you, Todd, Kyle, Ashley. We
just started in this direction and start going right, and then, like you
said, we ended up in this old growth forest, one of the coolest
areas that we had. Frankly, I feel like we got to see while
we were there. Then we walk up on and find this huge tree structure.
Can you talk a little bit about how we found it, what it
looked like to you, and what your impression was from seeing that. Yeah,
we had hiped in there and you had asked, time, have you
ever been over here? Todd's I've never been anywhere in this area, So
you were like, let's go this way, why don't we go? So
we heard it started going there, and then we started seeing tree breaks.
After we had scrambled over these hues deadfall that were laying there and tripped it
over for everything and looking around and listening. We stopped for a while and
listened, and then we're looking at all those tree breaks, and then you
noticed a couple of tree breaks. Todd was looking at something. You and
I walked in a different direction a little bit, and you spotted a tree
break. And then I was walking around and I looked up and I saw
that one tree, the first tree leaning that one big leaner, and I
was like, looked at it and I go, that's weird. And then
you walked up. We're like, hey, Todd, I was like,
that's not natural. There's no way there's three of them. We're looking up.
There's no branches on that. If a tree falls, the branches don't
fall off first. And then we walked around and saw the second one,
and then the third one. It's great, big tree breaks around it,
another small one. I got really excited when he saw it. I was
looking at the video that we took with Odds standing next to the base of
that one, and he's what six foot maybe a little bigger, And I'm
looking at this tree and I'm looking up that thing had to be eighty to
one hundred feet tall. That wasn't sixty foot. That was way bigger than
that, because that was way more than ten times the size of them.
The way they all matched up. That doesn't happen naturally. Loggers can't even
do that. There was no tree stump, there was nothing that I had
been caught. Everything was a natural broken off except for the tree breaks.
Everything that was laying down there, you could see where it broken off the
stone. There's all natural stuff except for those three. I know. We
spent a lot of time walking around and checking the north south east west thing
and the tree breaks around it, older stuff that was around it. I
was just completely fascinated by that. I just wanted to stay there. I
really wanted because you had the north south, and then you had that one
odd log the third one. I was thinking, if you got north south
to me, that's saying, okay, this is your compass. Now this
third one is the direction you want to go. That's just the way I
was looking at it. I wanted to go that way. I want to
go farther in there. I want to see what's out there. We're looking
around that. There's no roup buls with those trees where they were picked up,
shoved up there and precise that doesn't happen natural, and there was no
luging going on there. Ever. I've had people say so many things to
me about there's a lot of Native American activity in there. They could have
done that for whatever reason. It could be loggers. I'm like, look,
man, you'd have to see it to understand it. I posted video
that's self explanatory. You can see what's around. You can see there's been
no equipment in there. I don't know how Native American or any other group
of men could lift these trees up and place them on this tree. Like
you said, they're eighty feet long and twelve fourteen inches in diameter. Those
things are heavy, even if they're dead and they've been around for a while.
It's heavy. I don't know how you would do it, man.
I really left that just scratching my head. The do North, the do
South, the area that it was in, just the whole totality of the
circumstances. It really sold me that it was something unusual. I can't obviously
say that it was Sasquatch that made it, but it was something unusual that
we experienced. I experienced a lot of that, just as you did.
While we were there. There was a lot going on that week. I
walked away feeling like I live interacted with Sasquatch a couple of times, didn't
get to see one. Overall, I felt like I had a better understanding
of that area. I had a better understanding of the research that Todd and
Kyle and Ashley have been doing there and some of the other people that come
up there. And I don't feel like we were hoaxed in any way,
shape, form or fashion while we were there. I think everything that happened
was something that I can't explain could possibly be related to Sasquatch experiences. I
don't know how did you feel? What's the final word for you on radium.
How did you feel about the entire experience. I think you've already answered
this, but would you do it again if you had an opportunity And stay
tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Oh. Absolutely, I would love to go up there. I wish
I could go up there every single time that Kyle's up there and just spend
time with him and just do what he's doing. If I wasn't tied down
to everything I got going on. I'm aggravated that I live in the Catskill
Mountain. It's still the mountains, and I want to get out there.
I took Kyle to a tree break I had found years ago when I was
hunting and I had said something to Kyle. I said, I never really
thought about it, but there's a tree break up on the mountain behind our
house. We just got up and hiked up. It's like a four and
a half by mile hike, and he goes, you remember where it is?
I'm like, really, I know that was six hundred eighty acres of
private property that I been hunting on, clearing the logging trails, hiking,
just exploring. Since I was a teenager. I found a metal box that
had been missing since the sixties with eighty five sticks that dynamite in it that
nobody could ever find. And I found it because i'd every part of that.
You could drop me off there in the middle of the night when blindfold
on, and since I take the blindfold off, I know where I'm at.
I took them right to the tree break. It was small, it
wasn't very tall. It's only six books, but the stuff that was around
it, there was no way that it did it. Man, I just
assumed it was a deer. We still think it possibly could have been,
because it was sold. It was hard to tell. Yeah, that trip
up to radio, just everything that happened to, all the experiences we had,
the wood knocks, that sounds, the apples rocks, just everything that
we encountered and saw and heard and talked about. Todd's stories and Kyle's stories
and ashing stories. I just wanted to do it more. I just got
no time to get out there, and it drives me nuts because I want
to do it. I want to get out there. I wanted to go
to some of the big Foot festivals. I know you're going to a lot
of them, and I saw the head for your book and you mentioned that
in the back was a RD code and I had a lot of video Kyle
and I on it. I said, yep, pre order, yep.
Ordered. Now I'm just waiting and I keep looking at them every day.
I checked the mail, like my bookeet my book it. I'm dying to
see that. I want to read it. That was the trip of a
lifetime. Like you said, I just wish I could do it every year.
I definitely agree, man, And I couldn't have thought of two better
people to spend the majority of my time with. And you and Kyle,
you guys made the trip worthwhile. And I had a true blast with you.
Man. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences with us.
Yeah. Absolutely, you know. I was just looking forward to this
and I'm actually leaping to go to Virginia tonight. So I got a long
trip ahead of me. They say, you don't gotta go home, but
you can't stay. I don't want to be out there. Step child,
this child, that child, everything. Can you ride back right back?
Joy for me? Joy staying right there? You come it right away?
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