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Yes, yes, I know aka 18 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:37.200 Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Honist. He didn't Welcome 19 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:41.040 back to Sasquatch Hotus. Thank you so much for being with us for the 20 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.480 show. It is Friday. I hope you guys are having great week. 21 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.680 We have an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I 22 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.040 want to start by and body. If you've had an encounter and you'd like 23 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:52.640 to be on the show, shoot me an email you get me a Brian 24 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.799 at Paranomdeworldproductions dot com can head over to the website check it out for come 25 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:01.000 remember there and help support the show. I got to sit down and talk 26 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:06.480 to Richard DeShane, who is Kyle's father, and he was with me on 27 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.240 the expedition up to Radium last October, and I got Richard on not only 28 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.240 did to talk about the experiences that we had together, but to talk about 29 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:19.039 some of the experiences that he and Kyle experienced in the Adirondacks, and to 30 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.800 talk about his siting that I have shared a video of over on YouTube. 31 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.800 But I wanted him to tell you in his own words. So we'll get 32 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:29.479 into that in just a second. If you are in the mary In North 33 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.919 Carolina area, make sure you stop by the mary In Bigfoot Festival and see 34 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:36.400 us at our booth there. We'll be there all day on Saturday. We'll 35 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.759 have books there, we'll have t shirts, we'll have all kinds of merchandise. 36 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.560 Stop by, say hello, take a photo with us. We'd love 37 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:44.639 to see you guys out there. But enough of that. I know you 38 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:46.159 guys are ready to get into it. Richard's on the line. He's ready 39 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.120 to go. All it's levet for you to do is sit back, relax, 40 00:02:50.479 --> 00:03:14.680 and enjoy the show. I want to welcome our guest to the show. 41 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:16.680 It is Richard from New York. Welcome to the show man. Hey, 42 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:20.759 how are you? I am good man. I feel like I haven't 43 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.039 seen you in a month of Sundays. It was last October since I saw 44 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.400 you. You and I were up in radio me You, Kyle Todd Ashley. 45 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.360 We'll get into some of that stuff here in a little bit. I 46 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.919 certainly want to talk about the radium experience, but before that, you've had 47 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.879 other experiences with what could possibly be Sasquad, So why don't we start there. 48 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.800 I know you had some dealings with these things, possibly in the Adirondecks. 49 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:44.960 Why don't you take us back to where you were, what you were 50 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.960 doing, and tell us what happened there. Yeah, Kyle and I had 51 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:52.199 decided to go up to the ad Arundecks deer hunting because it was an earlier 52 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.400 season where we live here, so we feure we'd get in up there and 53 00:03:54.840 --> 00:04:00.400 get a little early hunting in. We had a pickup camper at the time. 54 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:05.719 I used to live like five hundred feet from the state trailhead and it 55 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:09.919 was a big parking lot, so we backed in there. It was nice, 56 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:13.240 easy walk right down the trail. I knew that like the back of 57 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:15.759 my hand because I was there for years and I used to hike that trail 58 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:19.720 all the time. So we had gone in there hunting. We got up 59 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:24.560 early and banked down the trail, signed in and everything. We're in there 60 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:28.600 for a little while, and then we started hearing a bunch of guys walking 61 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.519 around and yelling and talking, and it was like, Ah, this ain't 62 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:35.040 gonna be good. So we decided to cut off the trail a little bit 63 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.319 farther, and we started hearing one of them saying, I'm lost, I 64 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.639 can't find where I'm going. I'm going to fire off a shot. We're 65 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.399 yelling no, don't shoot. I told Carlos that we need to leave. 66 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:48.639 Let's go somewhere else. So we hiked farther down the trail and went in, 67 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.600 and then we were in there pretty much the whole day. Then on 68 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:58.160 the way out, we decided to stop in a low spot because the parking 69 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.600 lot was up high up on an and the bankman the road dropped down and 70 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:05.040 everything, so we were in a nice, pretty heavy wooded area right there. 71 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:09.920 He was not quite dark yet. It was pretty light yet, but 72 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.079 it was getting late, so I figured it would be close to the truck 73 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.160 and everything in case we got something. Started hearing all this noise, and 74 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.319 at first I was like, that sounds like a bear pulling branches, rolling 75 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:24.720 rocks whatever. I'm like, we're only a mile from the dunk, and 76 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.759 I know there's one hundred bears over here because I'd lived there for quite a 77 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.079 while. So I was like, I'm just going to sit here and watching 78 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.920 Kyle, Who's going to walk to a different spot and sit so he had 79 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:40.160 gone off a little bit and he started hearing it and hearing more and comes 80 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.720 over. Is that a bear? I'm like, Nah, that can't be 81 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.720 a bear. That's way too much noise for a bear. It's definitely not 82 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:51.000 deer, because you could hear branches breaking and rocks being rolled, and it 83 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:55.680 was just crazy. This isn't good. And I didn't think nothing about sasquats 84 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.120 then, because I'd been up there so long. I never seen anything. 85 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.800 When I was a kid, seen a lot of bearer up there, but 86 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:06.240 this was way more wrecked than that. We finally ended up getting out of 87 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:10.000 there and went back up to the camper. It was getting dark and us 88 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.480 said they don't need to be out here in the dark. We didn't have 89 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.519 lights with us at that point. We sued we'd be out earlier, so 90 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:19.800 we just sat in the camper and talked about it. It was pretty interesting. 91 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:24.399 I mentioned it at the beginning. You and I actually got to spend 92 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:28.040 what was it, seven days up in radium together, me, you, 93 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:31.279 Kyle, Todd Ashley were all up at the radium site. Let's talk a 94 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.199 little bit about how that trip came about for you. How did it unfold, 95 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:40.000 why were you so interested in that area? Then once we get into 96 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.800 that, then we'll talk about what our experience was. I've shared my experience 97 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.879 plenty of times. I want people to understand and know what your experience was 98 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.480 there. But why was that trip so important to you and why were you 99 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:54.759 wanting to make that trip in the first place. Ever since that, Kyle 100 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.519 started going up there with Todd and telling me about everything that was going on 101 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.319 and what happened to him, and I was like, man, I got 102 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.560 to get up there. He's always been interested in Sasquatch and bigfoot, so 103 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.639 it was like, yeah, Kylin and I do a lot of stuff together. 104 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.560 We always have. We've been real close, so it was like, 105 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:13.879 yeah, I'll do whatever it takes. I want to get up there. 106 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.120 I want to go out there and see what you're experiencing and just have the 107 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.040 plast And then he told me you were coming out and I was like, 108 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:20.600 yeah, I definitely got to get up there, and yes, he's going 109 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.680 to be a cool trip. So that was really the biggest part of Vegas. 110 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.319 I wanted to spend some time with him and see what he was doing 111 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.920 up there and all that. So I was glad I went I know me 112 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.279 too, man. It was one of the trips of the lifetime for me. 113 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:38.600 So let's talk a little bit about what you felt. The drive was 114 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:42.879 about three hours from the airport to where we were going, but let's talk 115 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.439 about once we hit that logging road. We're heading back to base camp. 116 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.240 Let's start there and just walk through what your experience was. What were you 117 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:56.000 feeling about the area, what were you seeing, and how were you feeling 118 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.279 about the trip Once we hit that logging Once we hit that loggin right, 119 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.360 I was just an off the beauty of the mountains. They're like seven times 120 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.000 bigger than what we are here, and the cat scales. It was crazy. 121 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:07.920 I was like, man, I just want to hike to the top 122 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.240 of everything. But we hit that log and road and I'm thinking, okay, 123 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.439 we're not far now. And then we kept going and go and I'm 124 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:16.920 like, man, how do you remember where you're going at here? It's 125 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.240 one road, but then you got all these cut offs. We met that 126 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.879 one logging truck, but other than that, we didn't see anybody. And 127 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.120 it was miles and miles. Wow, this is really out there. He 128 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:28.720 said. It was remote. We had talked about that before it was like, 129 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.039 we have no idea how remote it is until you're out there driving. 130 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.360 And we cut off that one road and then we stopped to get water. 131 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.080 That stream was beautiful, very crystal clear, cool. This could be That 132 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:45.080 was awesome. I definitely had to drink some of that. That was pretty 133 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.440 good. And going up to camp and then taking that little side road, 134 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.639 I'm looking all over it. I'm I going to see something walking through the 135 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:52.320 woods. Am I going to see something open? I'm trying to watch everywhere 136 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.399 and couldn't keep my head facing forward. It was always spinning around, trying 137 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:01.200 to hold conversation and look around and try and see if there's anything. I'm 138 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.840 seeing all these stumps and stuff around. I'm like, what's that? What's 139 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:07.720 that? What's that? And we got to the campus and I was like, 140 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.360 they're small campers, but at least they not completely covered in trees. 141 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:15.639 They got a little opening. This will be good. But yeah, it's 142 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:20.320 definitely out there. I don't think I've ever been that far out away from 143 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.559 civilization. I've been a lot of places. My dad lived in an old 144 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.519 school bus out but I think it was Pennsylvania. He used to go out 145 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.679 and stay out there for a week at a time and come home on weekends. 146 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.320 I thought that was remote, but he was only five miles from town. 147 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.360 This was way out there. Yeah. I got a little worried when 148 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.399 we lost cell reception about thirty miles before we hit that turn off on that 149 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.799 logging road. We were completely dead in the water. At that point. 150 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.840 I knew we had this star link out there in base camp where we were 151 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.840 headed. But man, I tell you, I've tried to convey that to 152 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.639 people on the show. When I've talked about it with Wayne on that Bigfoot 153 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:58.360 podcast, and I've talked about it over here as a guest on other shows. 154 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.399 Go out my experiences there. I have never been that deep in a 155 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.039 remote area. We were literally eighteen miles back on this logging road that we 156 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.879 were on where base camp was. There is absolutely nobody out there. The 157 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.679 first thing that went through my mind, of course, I was skeptical going 158 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.879 into this. I just felt like I was going to be hoaxed. While 159 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.440 I was there. I had these conversations obviously with Todd and Kywa while we 160 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.720 were there. Since then, even I just had this feeling that I was 161 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.720 going to experience some things that we're going to be people running around in the 162 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.679 woods until I got to base camp. And the second we drove in there 163 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:39.120 and I saw those campers, I said, there is no frickin way there 164 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:43.759 is anybody else out here besides us. There's one way in, one way 165 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.120 out, and you're going to hear people. That's the thing. We did 166 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.120 have people coming and going. As Todd and Ashley would come into base camp, 167 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.200 we could hear them coming. We'd hear the vehicle, we heard Jason, 168 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.279 which well, I want to talk about Jason a little bit here. 169 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.360 Shortly you're there and you hear these people coming in, we go meet them. 170 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.679 It's Todd, Ashley, it's Jason. But that was one of the 171 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:05.039 questions that people kept asking me before I'd start to get into my experiences and 172 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.480 some of the things we experienced up there, was how do you know it 173 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.720 wasn't somebody running around in the woods beaten on a tree that Todd was paying 174 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:15.320 to be up there. I'm like, no, dude, you'd have to 175 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.320 see it to understand it. That. I guess seeing is always believing when 176 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.120 it comes to that stuff. I talked about this in my book. I 177 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.480 did an entire chapter about our experiences there. With me, you, Kyle, 178 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.639 Todd, and Ashley some of the things that we saw and experienced there. 179 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.320 But let's start walking through chronologically for you, some of the experiences that 180 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.039 you had once we got to base camp, once we got settled in that 181 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.200 night, and then when the experiences started. Let's just go down that road. 182 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.399 What was that experience like for you? What were you experiencing that could 183 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.919 possibly be Sasquatch related. Yeah, when we first got there, we got 184 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.759 everything in the camper and I was like, man, this isn't going to 185 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.480 be all that come. So I had that little tiny bunk in the bathroom. 186 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.759 I had to sit down and then lay on my back and then pull 187 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.519 my legs to my knees to my chest and swing my feet up and over 188 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.399 to get in and then try and get in a sleep in the bag. 189 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.879 But once I got in there, it wasn't too bad. We walked walked 190 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.200 around out there. Kyle took us out and he was showing us tree brikes. 191 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.240 I wanted to get out there. I wanted to do the hike. 192 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:16.080 I was so looking forward to the hike up the mountain with Jason. I 193 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.000 was like, that ain't going to come quick enough. I want to get 194 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.279 going. I want to hike. I was dying to get out there. 195 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.440 I just wanted to hike the whole time we're there and look around, and 196 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.039 I wanted to see everything. I wanted to explore. And Kyle made sure 197 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.679 we did some exploring, and he took us out there. And which way 198 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:31.799 do you want to go? Where do you want to go? I'll show 199 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.559 you this trail. I'll show you that trail after that. That's what we 200 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.639 didn't There was nobody. If there was anybody out there, they had no 201 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.639 clue were rooming in the areas that we went. There was no way anybody 202 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.879 could have been there beforehand pre planned, because you and I we just said 203 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.000 I want to go that way, I want to go that way. Let's 204 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:52.159 go over here, let's go over there. There was nothing anywhere except us. 205 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.759 It was enjoyable. Let's talk a little bit about the tree breaks. 206 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:00.320 That's something that I've tried to again express the people I have found to what 207 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:05.080 I believe to be tree breaks and some weird structures and things here on our 208 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.799 land, but nothing like we were seeing up there in Radium. It was 209 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:13.320 insane how many tree breaks in some of these areas that we were seeing. 210 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.000 Can you talk a little bit about what you were seeing and your impression of 211 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.200 the tree breaks. Do you think they were sasquatch related? Do you think 212 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.480 that it's possible that some of those were natural. Yeah, a lot of 213 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:28.240 the ones who looked at Kyle was helping us go through what they felt was 214 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.120 natural, what they thought was sasquatch. By the way they were broken, 215 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.960 the direction they were all seemed to be pointing right out a logging road a 216 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.559 trail. Deer don't do that. I've seen where deer got their hip. 217 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.919 Ones tangled up and Kyle showed us where a caribou or a moose or whatever 218 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.080 was up there. And on that one trail we walked and it just shredded 219 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.639 it. And these weren't like that. The branches weren't broke, they were 220 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.559 nice what they call clean breaks. I mean, I've been in lugging most 221 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:56.840 of my life, ever since i was like five years old. You know, 222 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:58.639 when they cut trees and they snapped. While the trees off, they 223 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:01.799 weigh, they splinter, and the way they split these were nothing like that. 224 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.039 And the ones that really got me were the ones that were really high 225 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.840 up in the air at ten twelve fourteen feet. I was like, oh 226 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:13.039 my god, another tree didn't come down and hit it. Snowload should have 227 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:18.320 taken the smaller ones around it. There's just so much as compared to where 228 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.360 they were and what was around them and what wasn't around them, that made 229 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.720 them so interesting. We would have had to have a heck of a time 230 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:26.679 just to climb the tree to look at it. Some of them there were 231 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.879 huge trees. They don't usually do that. I've got trees in my backyard 232 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:33.879 that the liddled were down. They snapped off like eight ten feet and they 233 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.360 peeled the bark off, so they're splintering like crazy, and there's pieces all 234 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.399 over the place. And we didn't see any of that when we're out there. 235 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.360 These tree brakes were in the middle of nowhere, pointing right towards the 236 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.720 trail we had come off. Some of them are right near the road. 237 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.159 It was fascinating. I know, you and I both were eyeing them things 238 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.039 like crazy. Every time we turned around, We're walking into one. Yeah, 239 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:01.200 they're everywhere in the foot plants that the alleged What were we joking? 240 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.440 I was always saying, it's an impression. It is an impression, right, 241 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.799 they were everywhere, and in that spang of moss up there. I've 242 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.000 tried to for people that aren't familiar with that and don't have that in the 243 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.840 area that they're in. We don't have that here in North Carolina. There's 244 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.000 some mossy places here and there, but nothing like there. It's that spongy. 245 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:22.960 If you've seen Discovering Bigfoot the documentary, you've seen some of that, 246 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.639 because that's the same thing that doctor Meldrum and bendro Nagel they were looking at 247 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:30.960 that Todd was showing them around. It's that same sort of thing, and 248 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.519 these things were pretty easy to spot it, at least for me. We 249 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.600 saw quite a few footprints. Were you just as impressed with the footprints as 250 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.600 I was? Well, Yeah, that one huge track that was close to 251 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.200 camp that cops showed us, that was pretty impressive. All the other ones 252 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.080 we saw. You were spotting a lot passion than I was. My eyes 253 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.320 just couldn't figure out with the leaves and stuff until I got close. I 254 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.200 was more looking at for structures and tree breaks. I was trying to look 255 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.799 for prince, but you always seem to do to find the prince, and 256 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.759 I was finding the tree breaks. Yeah, we made a pretty good team. 257 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.960 I remember, or help me remember here. I don't know if it 258 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.080 was the first day or the second day. When we took the e bikes 259 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.600 out for the first time and we were leaving camp. That was the first 260 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:18.480 time that I felt like we were having some sort of an interaction. If 261 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.080 you will, can you talk a little bit about that, what you heard 262 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.320 and what was your impression about when we heard those sounds for the first time. 263 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.559 We got the e bikes and you and I had no clue how to 264 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.120 run into things or use them, so that was pretty interesting to get figured. 265 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:33.720 Mine kept giving me a hard time, but yeah, we got ready 266 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.200 to go down the pork Pine trail. We had played around by the campers 267 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.039 with them a little bit, and that Kyle was going to take us down 268 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.279 the Porcupine trail. There. We got up by that little intersection and all 269 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:49.440 of a sudden, we all stopped because we had heard the woodnock And you 270 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.519 said, was that a wouldnot? Because yep, sure it was. So 271 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.919 we're the list of it, and we heard another one. It's no that 272 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:00.879 campy, it's broad daylight. It's crazy. So we were just sitting there 273 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.799 and we're like, we're waiting, and you were like, if well I 274 00:17:03.839 --> 00:17:07.319 hear another one, we're going to go take a walk. And it was 275 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.839 nothing, and I was like, man, And the thing that got me 276 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.480 was where the campers were and where we were. Where we kept hearing all 277 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.839 that noise to the campfire sitting out there. It was all across the porcupine 278 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.480 trail in that one general direction, and I kept wanting to go there. 279 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.599 I kept wanting to go there, and we never went and I crossed over 280 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:32.000 into that natural, unlogged, untouched area. We kept going everywhere else, 281 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.680 and I kept looking over there and I was like, everything's coming from there, 282 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:38.240 why aren't we going over there? And then we finally did at the 283 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.039 end of everything, and that's when we found that big structure and I was 284 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.920 like, I knew there was something over here. I did take Kyle over 285 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.319 there once because I thought I heard something. I said, I want to 286 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:51.599 walk in there. And we'd walked in there a little bit and I kept 287 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.720 walking around in circles and looking around and didn't really see much or anything. 288 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.160 I said, all right, let's go back to camp. But Kyle and 289 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.480 I had just wandered off by our arms a few minutes there because I just 290 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:03.839 had a feeling that if something was out there and I wanted to go check 291 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.519 it out. But I think that Todd and Ashley were there at the time, 292 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:11.640 and you were talking with Todd and Nashley, and I just said to 293 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.279 Kyle, let's go, I want to go over there. We didn't find 294 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.519 anything, but it was still that I wanted to go deeper in there, 295 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.960 but we never got there till that last day we went in there. Boy, 296 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.720 that was so much fun on those e bikes. Once we figured America, 297 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:30.319 we got going and Kyle took us on some crazy trails. The views 298 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.720 and the water and that gully with the bridge that was just so awesome. 299 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:38.319 Some of the best natural beauty I have ever seen in my life. Being 300 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:42.039 out in that area and just taking the e bikes out and having a blast 301 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:45.720 doing forty miles an hour down a hill on an e bike is pretty exhilarating. 302 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.200 Man. It was a beautiful time. Let's talk a little bit about 303 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.920 what happened at night. There was a couple of nights. I think we 304 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.119 had the one night before Todd and Ashley got out there that you and I 305 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.279 and Kyle were sitting around the fire. We weren't having a hole a lot 306 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.400 of stuff going as far as Bigfoot, but we sure shit had some things 307 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.359 going on in the sky. I've talked a little bit about that on other 308 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:07.920 shows. Can you talk a little bit about some of the things that we 309 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.279 were seeing in the night sky that night. I mean, it was a 310 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:15.240 nice clear night that night, and it was pretty coold. We were all 311 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.880 pretty much standing right next to the firewood, turning in our backs to it 312 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:19.799 to warm up, and then turned back around the warm up the front, 313 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:23.160 and we saw a shooting star and then we started seeing either way, what 314 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:26.400 is that? There was a plane, You could tell them the plane. 315 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.759 It was low compared to what we were seeing later. And then that one 316 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.920 shooting star came across and exploded, and it looked like fireworks that came directly 317 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.839 from the side of and it made no noise. That's what fascinated me. 318 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.480 It was just like a boom, but there was no noise. It just 319 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:47.720 exploded and to all these sparkly things and it was just crazy and then disappeared. 320 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:52.079 And then we started noticing way up there and people said, oh, 321 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.000 it's just a plane. No, these things were way farther away. Than 322 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.599 any plane I've ever seen. They were all over the place, crossing. 323 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.480 We were watching the one there's zigzagging, and they were moving fast. You 324 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.720 watch a plane go over and you could sit there and watch you with your 325 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.400 eyes. These things were moving so fast. Shoot, lose them. We 326 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:12.960 were losing them, and they're like, where'd that go? It was just 327 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:17.559 there and then from another direction, and then we thought those were going to 328 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:22.319 collide at one point and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see we'll be 329 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:30.000 right back. After these messages. It was just fascinating. I was like, 330 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.319 yeah, they are definitely not playing. They're not satellites. People say, 331 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:36.839 oh, there's satellites. I don't think I've ever occurred or seen a 332 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.359 satellite move most of it. When I look outside here, I know it's 333 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:42.599 a satellite and it just sits there. And every night I take my dog 334 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.519 out of and I look up at it and I know it's a satellite. 335 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.720 It's not moving, it's in the same spot. It's not a star. 336 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.960 So yeah, there's no way that if there's that many satellites up there they're 337 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.759 moving that fast. Our technology is way more in advanced than they're letting us 338 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.720 know. Yeah. When I first started talking about that experience, that's what 339 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.720 I was getting emails about. Oh dude, you were just seeing satellites, 340 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.839 that's all it was. It wasn't UFOs. It was all satellites. That's 341 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.079 what they do. And They're sending me all this stuff on satellites and I'm 342 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.240 like, no, man, these things were moving I've estimated a couple of 343 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:17.960 thousand miles an hour at least, and then I watched one with the binoculars 344 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.440 go straight up and stop and make a left hand ninety degree turn on a 345 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.880 dime. No satellite is going to do that. Nothing's going to do that 346 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:32.200 that I'm aware of that we have the technology to fly on our own would 347 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:36.440 be able to do that and make some ninety degree turn from a dead stop 348 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.319 from two thousand miles an hour. It was some of the crazy shit I've 349 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:41.839 ever seen. Man. We had a lot of experiences that I took away 350 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.200 from that, but that was one of the wildest experiences I think I've ever 351 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:48.599 had. I saw a UFO from pretty close up when I was sixteen, 352 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.680 and this was nothing like that. I felt like I was watching something that 353 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.359 I wasn't supposed to see and that very few people ever get the opportunity to 354 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.079 see. It was almost like a Sasquatch siding for me in a way. 355 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.559 Obviously it wasn't a sasquatch siding. That same elation and that feeling I think 356 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.440 I would have had I had a sasquatch encounter and a siding. I think 357 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.920 that's what I walked away with after that night. You did come out of 358 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.119 the trailer at one point in time during the night and have an encounter. 359 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:19.319 I've shared that on the YouTube channel in another places, but this is the 360 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.119 first time you've been on here to tell your encounter face to face. So 361 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.200 why don't you take us back to what you were doing and what was going 362 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.279 on that night when you had your encounter. Yeah. So I'd get up 363 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:34.400 probably two or three times a night to have to go outside and use a 364 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:38.279 little tree out there. And I always slept from my back to the window 365 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:42.559 because knowing we were in the Sasquatch area, I was like, I do 366 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:47.160 not want to wake up from a dead sleep and the face to face eyebobble, 367 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.119 eyeballt with one of these things peering net at me. So I slept 368 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:55.960 with my back to Linda and whenever I woke up, I was facing into 369 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.319 the camper and I would roll my head around and look around because the front 370 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.200 of the camper where Kyle was, he was surrounded by nothing but windows. 371 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.480 So I got to look around to make sure nothing was peeking in before I 372 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.079 even got out of that bone. And then when I did it, I 373 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:14.680 peeked around the corner with the little wall there over the table, and I'd 374 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:18.440 looked and I looked towards the back of the camper to that little intersection. 375 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.000 I'd search the woods. I wanted to see maybe something sneaking around. I 376 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:25.720 can get a sighting, and I want to see someone walking by. Also, 377 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:27.160 I don't want to walk out and run into that bear that they were 378 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:32.079 worried about so much while we were there, because Todd said he was a 379 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:33.960 pretty big bear, and I was like, yeah, I don't want to 380 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.880 run into him, especially up there. Don't want to do that, So 381 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.200 I'm going to look around. I took him minute, and I would scan 382 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:42.160 the whole area around all the windows, from the back of the camper to 383 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.519 the front and even towards your camper, just to make sure there was nothing 384 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:51.960 between Before I went out and the camper door on our camper was pretty noisy. 385 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.160 The screen door was like cock eyed and attached to the main door, 386 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:57.599 so you had to kick the bottom of the door to get the door open. 387 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:00.440 The screen door and the door, so it made a lot of noise 388 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.960 or anything that was out there was going to be gone or at least know 389 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.680 I was coming. I looked around and I said, Okay, no bears, 390 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.000 I'm going out. So I'd go out. And I walked over by 391 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.720 the fire pit, which was what probably thirty feet from the camper, somewhere 392 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.359 in there. I went just to the right event there's a bunch of little 393 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.839 trees there, and I was going and I'd been there multiple times, multiple 394 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.000 nights, because like I said, I'd get up to her three times a 395 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:29.480 night, and I happened to look in this one spot. But I always 396 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:33.400 scanned around while I was going, because I Kyle had his experience right there 397 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.720 and other people right around camp, so I was always scanning while I was 398 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:41.279 standing there, and my eye caught that one spot. And it's like when 399 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.960 you look at something every day, say you're looking at you you go out 400 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:49.400 one your sea beer deal every day and some pitch says something looks different. 401 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:55.079 What is that? I just saw a dark mass. It wasn't moving, 402 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:57.400 and I was like, maybe it's just a light. I'm looking around. 403 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:00.039 I squatted down, I stood up, I moved over and moved around, 404 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.920 and I said, it's not movement. I can't see past. I can't 405 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.119 see you around the edges of it to see if there's light behind her. 406 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.000 Now, So so I'm gonna sometimes when you if you look at it, 407 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:14.119 deuce sees you, and you turn away, and then you look back. 408 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.920 They move when you turn away. So I looked back at the camper and 409 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:21.599 I looked back and it was still there. And I said, it's not 410 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:23.720 a bear, because if there was, I'd be gone by now. That 411 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:27.079 thing would have had me. You'd be talking about Kyle's dad dropped molded by 412 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:32.119 a bear. He's no longer with us, instead of you had an experience. 413 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:34.160 So I started walking towards it. I don't know why I decided to 414 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:37.000 walk towards it. I guess in my mind, I still thought it was 415 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:42.680 this light player shadow play. And I walked probably another five or ten feet, 416 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.640 and then I stopped and I was like, common sense said, don't 417 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.279 go any further. Just go back, and I was like, okay, 418 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.839 I'm just gonna look. So I backed up and then I turned around and 419 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:56.519 just walked in and got in the camper. I said, when Kyle gets 420 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.720 up, all I have know what I saw. And that's what I did. 421 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.799 I went back in the camp later on when I got up, and 422 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.000 then I got a carle up and I told him what happened, and he's 423 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.759 showed me. So took him out there and we got you there, and 424 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.160 I showed him and he walked down and off that and I said, I 425 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.599 thought that was the trail, but the trail went to the right of that 426 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.759 little tree and then went down to the left of that tree behind that. 427 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:23.759 I didn't even realize it was a great big hole. Kyle stepped down in 428 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.440 there, and as soon as he walked in that one spot and I said, 429 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.759 right there, I said, the top of your head was about where 430 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.839 he goes, there's a great big hole here. So I walked to the 431 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.599 edge and looked down and I was like, wow, that is a big 432 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.200 hole. It was probably what four feet deep something like that. It actually 433 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.599 blocked off part of where the trail was. I said, what's at the 434 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.039 bottom of the hole was that a footprint, and he looked down and he 435 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.319 said, sure, it looks like it. And that's when we all went 436 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.640 over and looked at it, and there was definitely two impressions in there, 437 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.960 and then Kyle found what we looked to be two more coming out of there. 438 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.000 So that's when it hit me that I saw it. It's not the 439 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:07.359 sighting I wanted, but I saw it because the way I see it, 440 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.319 if it's leaving Prince, it has to be real. If you see a 441 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.480 bear track in the woods, but if you don't see the bear, does 442 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.720 that mean it doesn't exist. It has to It left the Prince. The 443 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.279 hunters followed deer tracks and bear tracks. Just because you don't see it. 444 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.160 You see a great, big, huge print, you're like, man, 445 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.599 that's a big one. Has to be real. It left Prince, it 446 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.160 has to be real. That really got me. I really wanted to stay 447 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.720 out there, and I wanted to push even harder just to get a better 448 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.319 joint. I was quite happy with my sighting. Exactly what you described is 449 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.319 what we found. It was a huge hole. So this thing must have 450 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.039 been massive for you to see what you saw of it from where it was 451 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:51.960 standing, and there was two large impressions. What would be I would consider 452 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.039 shoulder with the part for one of these things standing in the perfect place to 453 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.839 look a at you, but could stood there entire night, for any of 454 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.880 the nights that we were out there and watched us around the campfire. It 455 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.359 was the perfect advantage point for these things to come in and watch from a 456 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.039 distance. We would never know they were there because to say the words pitch 457 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:17.319 dark out there is an understatement. It was zero dark thirty because there's no 458 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.799 ambient light out there. There's no light pollution at all. We didn't use 459 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.200 headlamps and flashlights and shit like that when we were out It was just the 460 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.640 campfire and us. Those things could have easily been standing there watching us the 461 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:33.559 whole time. We did have some wood knocks, We had some vocalizations. 462 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:37.640 I don't know if you heard what I've said to be like samurai chatter that 463 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.240 I know Ashley and I heard, and I think Kyle might have heard it 464 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.839 that we were hearing sitting around the camp I did catch a little bit of 465 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.400 that on audio. I have not released it because Todd was of course talking 466 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.720 over it when it happened, so it's just a little bit of it that 467 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.480 we heard, but we did have a lot of crazy stuff going on. 468 00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.960 I tell you, one of the things that has out to me right up 469 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.640 there with all the strange lights and what I believe to be UFOs that we 470 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.279 saw, was the night we went on the night walk. Can you talk 471 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.359 a little bit about that and what that was like for you from your vantage 472 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:17.680 point that experience. Oh man, we were sitting around the campfire and Tod 473 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.599 we should go for a night walk. Who's up, everybody's yet, Let's 474 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:23.200 go. I was like, I'm not going to be sitting by myself. 475 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.359 I had to go put another jacket on because all of a sudden, I 476 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.680 was just shaking so crazy. And I don't know if it was the adrenaline. 477 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.359 I didn't feel threatened anything like that. It was just I felt like 478 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.960 it was excitement. But we put our jackets on and we walked up and 479 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.440 we met in that little intersection. Then we were getting ready to do our 480 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.759 walk down through and Todd was talking to us and I was shaken uncontrollably. 481 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.599 My chest. It just felt like my shoulders were being squeezed right tight. 482 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.480 It was hard to breathe and it hurt, and I was like, oh 483 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.640 man, why I'm trying to loosen up? And I was so cold there. 484 00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.440 I was like it was just crazy, and I'm like, why am 485 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:03.200 I feeling I'm not scared. I don't feel scared. I'm still going. 486 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.000 I'm not staying. There's no way, I said, if anything's going to 487 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.160 happen, and as I want to be part of that, Todd and Kyle 488 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.240 go on front. I walked behind Kyle because I could just make out the 489 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.240 back to Kyle because it was, like you said, super dark and we 490 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.839 had no lights, we didn't want to use any legs, and I was 491 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:25.400 just trying to watch Kyle and I kept getting back between the legs with these 492 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.519 little tiny trees that were in the trail, and I was like, no, 493 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:32.759 come, Kyle's not walking around these, and why isn't he saying anything 494 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.000 to me? There must be paypack for all the time when I kept smacking 495 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.119 him with branches because he was following too close. I was trying to watch 496 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.960 him, and I was trying to watch Todd, and I was trying to 497 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.319 stay next to you so that we were all together. I started getting my 498 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.279 vision, my night vision at least, so you could see a little bit 499 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.359 and then I started spotting these little trees and I was trying to walk around 500 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.680 them and step over the sticks. And then Tod's like, they're watching us, 501 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:57.599 and I'm like, oh, and I'm trying to look around. I 502 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:02.960 didn't want to walk into Kyle. Yeah, everybody stopped, and I'm still 503 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.119 walking some I'm trying to stop. Then we got all the way down in 504 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.079 there to that one opening and He's like, we're gonna sit down. I 505 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.640 didn't hear that. What are we doing? And cous like, oh, 506 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.319 we can sit down okay, and You're like, nah, I don't feel 507 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.839 comfortable doing that. And then Todd went and sat down and come on, 508 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.839 it's over here. So we walked down just a little bit when and Kyle 509 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.160 sat down and said, up, all right, if everybody's sitting down, 510 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.200 I guess we're sitting down. And I think you and Ashley kept wandering around 511 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.200 a little bit and you finally sat down. We just sat down and we 512 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.880 heard that one little wood knock a little while later, and it was like 513 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.640 then it was dead silent. There was nothing like Okay, that must have 514 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.960 done a goodbye. So we had it back at once. We sat down 515 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.720 and it was after that woodknock. I totally relaxed. I wasn't shaking. 516 00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:51.559 My chest loosened right up and I was comfortable, and I was like, 517 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.279 this is cool. Can we do some work. And we had it back 518 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.279 up to the camp and then sat around the fire somewhere and just talked and 519 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.680 talked a lot of that night because there was nothing else to do. We 520 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.880 had no salt services, no tps out there, there's no radio, there's 521 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.839 nothing, and it was nice to to chat with you the stories and all 522 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.680 the experiences, and it was just phenomenal. I loved it. I'd love 523 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:16.160 to do it again. Yeah, it was a great time, man. 524 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.000 And some of the stuff that we heard, the whoops that we heard, 525 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.559 the wood knocks that we heard, I have never experienced before or since. 526 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:29.359 I've talked about Jason being up there and that whole I think the second or 527 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:30.960 third day we were there is when we walked up. We did the hike 528 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.599 with Jason because he was going up to Ascend Radium and he was going to 529 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.160 spend ten days out in the bush by himself. I've had people say to 530 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.559 me, oh, you had this other guy up there. It had to 531 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.559 be him in the woods doing all the things that you guys were hearing. 532 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.519 We did have Jason scheduled at two times. We've had to reschedule for different 533 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:51.319 reasons. I'm going to try to get him back on the show, get 534 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:54.240 him scheduled to come and talk about his experiences. But just for the record, 535 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.440 you were there. It's not just me now. You were there. 536 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:02.240 You saw where Jason was in relation to where we were. What do you 537 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.240 think? This is obviously your opinion. I'm asking for what is the chances 538 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:12.559 of any of the stuff that we were hearing or experiencing being Jason doing any 539 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.799 of that stuff while he was there and we were there? Absolutely zero? 540 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:22.079 Because you and I and Kyle hiked him up there, and that was an 541 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:29.240 awesome hike. It was far, it was steep, and Kyle knows I 542 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:30.279 got to be in the lead. I tried my best to stay in the 543 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.640 lead the whole way up, but he was a brutal backpack was super heavy, 544 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.279 and I carried some of the food to help him out because he just 545 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.160 had no more room. His pack was so full. We hiked up there 546 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:47.759 and we watched him hype up from where we stopped, and we all wanted 547 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.720 to go with him. We stashed some food for him so he'd have it 548 00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.119 on the way back, but we watched him hike up there and there's no 549 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.920 way, and then to hike back down, There's no way he was going 550 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.359 to keep up with us coming back down with that pack that heavy. We 551 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.319 watched them for probably fifteen minutes hike up and watched them hike up. You 552 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:09.800 videotaped them hike him up. After we took pictures and struck our hands in 553 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:15.519 the ice water and got drinks and did all that and chatted a little bit, 554 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.159 and then he headed up there, and yeah, there's no way. 555 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.840 Can you see I thought the same thing when I saw Tayson. I'm like, 556 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.360 oh, that's convenient. Personally, I don't think is that Todd hoaxed 557 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:29.599 anything. I don't know about way back when. I just know from when 558 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.960 I met him from that point on, Todd when he came to New York 559 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.840 through Kyle, because Kyle talked about him a lot, and then he came 560 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.480 up and I went over to visit with him over at Kyle's. But yeah, 561 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:43.920 there's no way Jason could have got back down and done that because the 562 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.599 only way to get to where we were was, like you said, you 563 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.679 had to drive in, and even if you walked in, you had to 564 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.079 walk past the camper. If you went through the woods, you're really roughing 565 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.320 it. And you would have seemed like is you're not walking through those which 566 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.639 with no light to get around to where because that was all that natural stuff 567 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.800 that had never ever been cut. Where we found that major tree structure, 568 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.960 just walking to that point. If the rest of the woods is like that, 569 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.079 there's no way. We were in broad daylight. We had trouble. 570 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.800 We were tripping and we were falling, we were scrambling up over things, 571 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:21.480 and there was just no way. So let's talk about that. Let's close 572 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.920 out there, let's talk about it was the last day that we were there. 573 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.159 We're getting ready to close everything down, and we'd go out and we 574 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.280 just decided to take this impromptu walk in the woods. And again it's all 575 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:35.159 of us, It's me, you, Todd, Kyle, Ashley. We 576 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.000 just started in this direction and start going right, and then, like you 577 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.719 said, we ended up in this old growth forest, one of the coolest 578 00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.280 areas that we had. Frankly, I feel like we got to see while 579 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:49.480 we were there. Then we walk up on and find this huge tree structure. 580 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.119 Can you talk a little bit about how we found it, what it 581 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.400 looked like to you, and what your impression was from seeing that. Yeah, 582 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:59.639 we had hiped in there and you had asked, time, have you 583 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.440 ever been over here? Todd's I've never been anywhere in this area, So 584 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.800 you were like, let's go this way, why don't we go? So 585 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:07.679 we heard it started going there, and then we started seeing tree breaks. 586 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.079 After we had scrambled over these hues deadfall that were laying there and tripped it 587 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.639 over for everything and looking around and listening. We stopped for a while and 588 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:20.480 listened, and then we're looking at all those tree breaks, and then you 589 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.719 noticed a couple of tree breaks. Todd was looking at something. You and 590 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:28.400 I walked in a different direction a little bit, and you spotted a tree 591 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.679 break. And then I was walking around and I looked up and I saw 592 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.519 that one tree, the first tree leaning that one big leaner, and I 593 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.599 was like, looked at it and I go, that's weird. And then 594 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.079 you walked up. We're like, hey, Todd, I was like, 595 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.760 that's not natural. There's no way there's three of them. We're looking up. 596 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.920 There's no branches on that. If a tree falls, the branches don't 597 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.159 fall off first. And then we walked around and saw the second one, 598 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.159 and then the third one. It's great, big tree breaks around it, 599 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.840 another small one. I got really excited when he saw it. I was 600 00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:04.039 looking at the video that we took with Odds standing next to the base of 601 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.880 that one, and he's what six foot maybe a little bigger, And I'm 602 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.199 looking at this tree and I'm looking up that thing had to be eighty to 603 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.800 one hundred feet tall. That wasn't sixty foot. That was way bigger than 604 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.159 that, because that was way more than ten times the size of them. 605 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.639 The way they all matched up. That doesn't happen naturally. Loggers can't even 606 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.800 do that. There was no tree stump, there was nothing that I had 607 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.079 been caught. Everything was a natural broken off except for the tree breaks. 608 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:31.280 Everything that was laying down there, you could see where it broken off the 609 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.079 stone. There's all natural stuff except for those three. I know. We 610 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:40.239 spent a lot of time walking around and checking the north south east west thing 611 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:45.559 and the tree breaks around it, older stuff that was around it. I 612 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.920 was just completely fascinated by that. I just wanted to stay there. I 613 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.199 really wanted because you had the north south, and then you had that one 614 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.079 odd log the third one. I was thinking, if you got north south 615 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.480 to me, that's saying, okay, this is your compass. Now this 616 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.480 third one is the direction you want to go. That's just the way I 617 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:06.840 was looking at it. I wanted to go that way. I want to 618 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.639 go farther in there. I want to see what's out there. We're looking 619 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.880 around that. There's no roup buls with those trees where they were picked up, 620 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.519 shoved up there and precise that doesn't happen natural, and there was no 621 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.760 luging going on there. Ever. I've had people say so many things to 622 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.400 me about there's a lot of Native American activity in there. They could have 623 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.679 done that for whatever reason. It could be loggers. I'm like, look, 624 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.159 man, you'd have to see it to understand it. I posted video 625 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.360 that's self explanatory. You can see what's around. You can see there's been 626 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.920 no equipment in there. I don't know how Native American or any other group 627 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.840 of men could lift these trees up and place them on this tree. Like 628 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:49.480 you said, they're eighty feet long and twelve fourteen inches in diameter. Those 629 00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.760 things are heavy, even if they're dead and they've been around for a while. 630 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.199 It's heavy. I don't know how you would do it, man. 631 00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:59.159 I really left that just scratching my head. The do North, the do 632 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.639 South, the area that it was in, just the whole totality of the 633 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:07.079 circumstances. It really sold me that it was something unusual. I can't obviously 634 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.039 say that it was Sasquatch that made it, but it was something unusual that 635 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.360 we experienced. I experienced a lot of that, just as you did. 636 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.159 While we were there. There was a lot going on that week. I 637 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.480 walked away feeling like I live interacted with Sasquatch a couple of times, didn't 638 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.599 get to see one. Overall, I felt like I had a better understanding 639 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:29.719 of that area. I had a better understanding of the research that Todd and 640 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:31.679 Kyle and Ashley have been doing there and some of the other people that come 641 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.760 up there. And I don't feel like we were hoaxed in any way, 642 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.519 shape, form or fashion while we were there. I think everything that happened 643 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:45.239 was something that I can't explain could possibly be related to Sasquatch experiences. I 644 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:46.840 don't know how did you feel? What's the final word for you on radium. 645 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:51.360 How did you feel about the entire experience. I think you've already answered 646 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.599 this, but would you do it again if you had an opportunity And stay 647 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:59.320 tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be right back after these messages. 648 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.320 Oh. Absolutely, I would love to go up there. I wish 649 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.159 I could go up there every single time that Kyle's up there and just spend 650 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.239 time with him and just do what he's doing. If I wasn't tied down 651 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.679 to everything I got going on. I'm aggravated that I live in the Catskill 652 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.360 Mountain. It's still the mountains, and I want to get out there. 653 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:23.159 I took Kyle to a tree break I had found years ago when I was 654 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.639 hunting and I had said something to Kyle. I said, I never really 655 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.079 thought about it, but there's a tree break up on the mountain behind our 656 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.760 house. We just got up and hiked up. It's like a four and 657 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.199 a half by mile hike, and he goes, you remember where it is? 658 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.639 I'm like, really, I know that was six hundred eighty acres of 659 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:45.679 private property that I been hunting on, clearing the logging trails, hiking, 660 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:51.960 just exploring. Since I was a teenager. I found a metal box that 661 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.960 had been missing since the sixties with eighty five sticks that dynamite in it that 662 00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.039 nobody could ever find. And I found it because i'd every part of that. 663 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.519 You could drop me off there in the middle of the night when blindfold 664 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.719 on, and since I take the blindfold off, I know where I'm at. 665 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.199 I took them right to the tree break. It was small, it 666 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.679 wasn't very tall. It's only six books, but the stuff that was around 667 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.639 it, there was no way that it did it. Man, I just 668 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.800 assumed it was a deer. We still think it possibly could have been, 669 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.239 because it was sold. It was hard to tell. Yeah, that trip 670 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.000 up to radio, just everything that happened to, all the experiences we had, 671 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.000 the wood knocks, that sounds, the apples rocks, just everything that 672 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:37.000 we encountered and saw and heard and talked about. Todd's stories and Kyle's stories 673 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.960 and ashing stories. I just wanted to do it more. I just got 674 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.400 no time to get out there, and it drives me nuts because I want 675 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:45.920 to do it. I want to get out there. I wanted to go 676 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.039 to some of the big Foot festivals. I know you're going to a lot 677 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.559 of them, and I saw the head for your book and you mentioned that 678 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.159 in the back was a RD code and I had a lot of video Kyle 679 00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.960 and I on it. I said, yep, pre order, yep. 680 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.280 Ordered. Now I'm just waiting and I keep looking at them every day. 681 00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:06.639 I checked the mail, like my bookeet my book it. I'm dying to 682 00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:08.679 see that. I want to read it. That was the trip of a 683 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:12.840 lifetime. Like you said, I just wish I could do it every year. 684 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.920 I definitely agree, man, And I couldn't have thought of two better 685 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:17.599 people to spend the majority of my time with. And you and Kyle, 686 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.800 you guys made the trip worthwhile. And I had a true blast with you. 687 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:23.760 Man. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences with us. 688 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.519 Yeah. Absolutely, you know. I was just looking forward to this 689 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:32.679 and I'm actually leaping to go to Virginia tonight. So I got a long 690 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:38.320 trip ahead of me. They say, you don't gotta go home, but 691 00:42:38.519 --> 00:43:12.360 you can't stay. I don't want to be out there. Step child, 692 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:17.239 this child, that child, everything. Can you ride back right back? 693 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:57.760 Joy for me? Joy staying right there? You come it right away? 694 00:43:32.920 --> 00:44:37.760 Still st story they used to do Donock dot dot dots still stasstsss used these things