Yeah, were about to get into it tonight. Welcome back to Calling all
beings. I'm your host DJ. Not only do we have a big announcement,
but we're not gonna tell you all about that tonight. But we are
here to hang out with a couple of legends. We got the senior legend
who done be, got the junior legend, and we got them both here.
And thank goodness that our friend Terry made this happen. So before we
get into all that, my brother from another who has done all this hard
work and put up with my last minute shenanigans money, Nathan, what's everybody?
Hey? For a second there, I thought you were calling me a
senior legend, and I wasn't sure what it meant. So at your age,
Nathan, No, I'm sorry. I'm getting there. I'm getting there.
I got she's getting there too much hair and too much good looks.
So I'm about to be fifty seven on Monday. So and I think there
was a Chevy people liked by that year. So that's right, Manye.
People don't know this, but DJ and my oldest son have the same birthday,
So happy birthday and Andy mcgrillan amazing. It's amazing at any rate.
It's great to be with you on Wednesday night. Great to be with all
of you in the audience. Looking forward tonight's show. We really do have
two amazing guests to talk about bigfoot sasquatch, so I'm very excited to get
into it with them. Got things going down on her property? Amen,
All right, before Debs, it's it's it's Debs. You know you're willing
to first of all, say hello Daniel. First of all, Julie,
thank you for making it in. I don't know how the hell you did
it because you were down. She went and drove a friend to the doctor
down in another city in Alabama. And Daniel Lee Barnett, the British bigfoot
legend. Terry hasn't heard about Daniel Barnette. Arla hasn't heard about Daniel Barnette.
He is a fourteen year old that has written a book on bigfoot and
is getting ready to hold his second conference in the UK. I want an
amen for that, but we have to aim in our guest first, So
Daniel you're gonna have to wait. You're gonna be a guest here in a
couple months. So Deb, thank you for making it in here Julie as
well. And now this gentleman here has joined us. So this is the
second time that he's been on cab. He was solo guest the first time.
And I was really struck by listening to the what happened to him as
a result of our second guest, who Mutt I didn't know he was speaking
of when he first told the story. Uh. And this gentleman is the
chief of Rock. He'l Bigfoot in South Carolina and it says respect between us
and I kind of thought about how I would want to interact or view Bigfoot
softsquatch in their house when I'm out in the woods and I'm and I'm in
search of them, and so I was inspired to have this gentleman on and
boy did he not disappoint. He's just really a bright light. So part
of people put those hands together from my man coming back carry window. What's
up, guys, what's up? Man? That's that's that's a tall order.
You You built me up pretty big there. I'm a little worried.
I got big shoes. Phil. Well, you know I said to you
the other night, You're awesome, Terry, and You're like, what me?
Why am like what do you mean because you're you come on, I
appreciate that. It's still to this day amazes me that people actually want to
hear me talk about this stuff. I'm just a guy out in the woods
trying to figure out what's going on, you know what. But you do
it in such a way, right right, Nathan, Like he he really
has that. He kind of reminds me of Sybylla a lot. He just
has that presence about him, you know. Thank you so yeah, So
his mentor is this next young lady right here who has a foot. Actually,
like the photo of her doing the sort of bigfoot cross country skier walk
must have been. She must have been a very young girl when she took
that photo. You guys have seen her, as she mentioned in Flash of
Beauty, and I've seen one in two. I think she was in one,
but she may have been in both for all I know. And Rick
was definitely in two because we had Rick Rick Taylor on as well. He
was one of our very early, very first bigfoot guests. He might have
been our second bigfoot guest. Uh. And so this woman is famous for
having this property in Oklahoma that is prolific in terms of as a habituation site
and people have had their first really really big encounter or at least encounter that
didn't terrify them on her property. So part of people put them hands together
for Oklahoma's oh miss Arler, William oh good grave Man for l a legend
now senior, Yes, I trumple all of you guys in age. I'll
be seventy five my birthday, so you're older than me at fifty. Yes,
I'm older than a lot of people and maybe in some ways younger than
a lot of people. Right, Oh, definitely, definitely. Terry will
probably test to that. Thank you guys for having me on. And Terry
he's kind of special to me. He is to He's a good guy,
you know, and I've met through the years. Of course, I've been
in this a long time in my life, almost seventy years of knowing.
But in the in the life of the big Foot community, you know,
I've been around for quite a while and hadn't changed my story yet. So
yeah, now, no, not at this late date, I don't.
I don't think so so. But one thing, I am not an habituator.
This is I'm believe me. I don't want to change anything about them
I mean, this is a lifelong thing with them. I'm not a researcher.
I don't research to try to prove things. I'm just somebody who,
you know, had a very early encounter with them and had a grandmother that
knew all about them. And that's her photo and where she's doing the Bigfoot
walk and that's early few that's that's my grandmother, that early fifties. Wo
and I hadn't seen that photo before until just a few years before she died.
She wanted to give me some photos and stuff and we were looking at
that and I said, Gran, what are you doing? And she said,
I'm doing the walk. So that was pretty much. So she was
prior to Patterson, Gimblin and you know Cruz and all of them. She
knew and Jess decided she was going to get her picture my doing it.
So yeah. So so Jerry Crew is the guy who cast that first print.
Yeah, and I think named it named Bigfoot, yes along or in
the news story that they covered that. And this, the fact that this
predates it means that it wasn't an impression of Patty. It was before we
knew that Patty existed. Obviously, your grandma knew that Bigfoot existed. Oh
yeah, yeah, she knew her whole life, you know. So at
age six is when my actual knowing and interactions started with them. So man,
I'm almost seventy five, so that's a long time ago. You look
phenomenal, darling. There's two things. First, one to say hi to
Vinnie in the chat, Hai, Vinnie, disclose your team. In second,
Arloe, if you can just keep an eye, you can see the
water behind me. If you see a shark coming up behind me, please
let me know. Okay, what do you want me to let you know
about? You can't see the see the ocean, you can see the I'm
supposed to be in the water. Sorry, Coe, you guys are white.
I can't see. All I got is my tie die behind me.
I'll pick. I'll pick a tie die any day. I would have see
if I knew you were in a tie die. These guys know that I
have a tied eye dress shirt, so I would have worn that tonight,
at least one. I think he's got more than one, probably, So
yeah, you should have left that out of the bio. I like tye
die. I would I would have done that, Hi, Carolina, So
anyway, let me get to Money Nathan with his first question, Jo,
and we're gonna just keep going, you know, we'll keep going. We'll
vacinate between you and Terry and the way we like. I'll ask some Nathan
and dabs and we'll kind of and also we're going to have a special guest
host from another show will also be joining us. But go ahead, Money
Nathan, sir. Yeah, thanks, dj Arla. It's great to have
you with us on the show tonight. We've had Terry on the show,
so Terry also great to have you back with us. Arli, your names
come up a lot in the community of folks that we've talked to, and
we hear your name reference quite a bit. And before I would like you
to talk about your background with Sasquatch and Bigfoot kind of your story, I'd
like to little get into a little bit about the community aspect, because it
does seem to me that one sense I get from those we speak with is
that you represent this community kind of family vibe, and I'm curious where where
does that come from. Is that you know the family that you grew up
with. Is it something that you've you've kind of tried to nurture in your
adult life. What does family mean to you? Yet? I was taught
that they were our neighbors, and you know, growing up they are there.
And my grandmother, you know, always said there are neighbors, and
as our neighbors, sometimes you see your neighbors and sometimes you don't, but
you always have respect between each other. And so my whole life has been
based on that respect. And you know, I all I can do is
share my experiences. I've said time and time again, I'm not here to
prove anything. I'm I'm going to share what I've experienced. The only thing
I ask is don't throw it out. File it away somewhere, and maybe
at some point you will have something happen, or somebody you trust, you
know, have something happen, and then you can say, wait a minute,
I heard something about that, and so you already have a reference of
that possibility. Now, you know, when I came into this, it
was like, oh boy, you know I was named the Immaculate Mother of
Who. So all I knew to Dot's chair, and so I shared it
all. If you don't, if you're studying something, you don't tear a
page out and go I don't want to study that. You study all of
it, and you can't throw anything out until you've looked at it. And
I ruffled a lot of feathers, you know when I started talking, because
at that time, you know, it was it was really really bad.
It's not near as bad now either. They've all accepted, you know what
I say. But the fact is there's a whole lot more now like me,
uh than you know before. Plus people are open in their hearts,
and they're shifting their paradigm. If you want to know something while you're out
there, shift your paradigm. And that's Terry. I'll tell you I hadn't
said that to him, you know, open up and shift that paradigm and
just see what you can experience. You know. Wes Germer of a Sasquatch
Chronicles, which is, you know, quite obviously the biggest bigfoot show there
that there is out there. He always says that doctor John Bendernagel told him,
you know, Wes, you need to open your aperture, you need
to look at it all. Exactly what Arla just said is what uh,
doctor bender Nagel said to uh to Wes, and he is a lot more
open. Hey, Mick, and he is a lot more open than he
was, So yeah, I really value that. Debs jump in there for
either Terry Arlow or both. Actually, if you like well, Arle,
you mentioned that your first encounter happened when you were six, and for those
who are not as familiar with your background, I was wondering if you could
talk about what that might have been. Like I mentioned that was at the
age of six, a little bit scary. I would love to hear about
that. Well. From the time I could walk, I was running off
to the woods. I was a problem child, I have to say for
my mom. But I was at my grandmother's and I was outside, sitting
on the ground, playing in the dirt, and I was forever playing with
sticks and flowers and leaves and all kinds of things, making stuff. And
I'm sitting there doing that and I hear somebody walk up and I think it's
my grandmother. But when I look up, there's this really really Harry boy
looking at me. And we just looked at each other for a while.
You know, I'm gosh, that's awful Harry kid, you know, And
then in my mind, you know, you go, what the what the
heck? Look at all that hair, but he looks like a boy.
But you know, so at a little while later, he turned around walked
off. I went in told my grand what I had seen and asked her.
I said, what was that, Granny? And she said, what
do you think it was? And at that point she let me think about
what I had seen. She didn't try to tell me anything. She just
let me sit with it. And then a little later she began to teach
me about them. Now, interesting thing about that. At six, my
mom uh and I were talking. She had a hard time with the bigfoot.
She she was afraid of everything, so you know, she didn't want
anything to do with it. You don't talk about it, of course,
we were taught not to talk about it. But we were talking just a
few years before she died, and she said, Arla, do you remember
that time when you were three and you were sitting on the bed and I
was in the closet getting clothes, you know, And I said, yeah,
Mom, I remember that. You know, I'm three years old,
but I still remember this incident because I was sitting on the bed talking to
somebody who was standing at the window with the window open, and Mom heard
me talking and coming out of the closet and she screamed for my dad,
who was taking a bath, and she said, there's a dirty, hairy
man at the window, and Arla's talking to him. And Dad comes through,
picked up a butcher knife and took out the back door, and he
didn't see anything. And I said, tell mom, I remember all of
that. And she looked at me and she said, do you think that
was a bigfoot? And I said, well, Mom, what do you
think? She said, I think it was And then she said, oh,
I saw a bigfoot. I said, yes, you did, Bob.
So at three years old, I was sitting on the bed talking to
one through the window, but I didn't recognize it as a bigfoot, or
I don't remember, you know if I did. But at six, you
know, I knew for certain that uh, when my grandmother told me what
it was, that, you know, what I was seeing was starting at
that at that point. It's so interesting because some we've heard kids that the
way that their parents find out is they scream when that happens, when the
when when a bigfoot comes to the window, which they do. It doesn't
matter if it's a house or trailer, you know, they do. They're
curious. They'll come and slap the side of the house or the trailer and
put their face up and the child will scream. But obviously Arla, we've
heard two cases now at three and at five where she didn't scream. Terry,
what's going on here? I mean, why is Arla not scared?
Brother? I don't have all the answers. I don't even have all the
questions. Truly. When I first got into this, I had no clue
what to expect. I spent a lot of summers on a farm. We
had stuff going on, I had weird speriences. This was way back in
the late sixties, before we had the internet. I had no clue what
was going on. And then I saw the legend of Boggy Creek and I
knew exactly what was going on. So I have spent the good part of
my adult life and some of my younger life trying to figure out what is
this Ano. There's something there. I have no doubt there's something there.
I don't think these are just animals. This is this is something more than
just an undiscovered eight. These are people. They're not like us, but
they're people, and if you treat them like you would want to be treated
when you when a guest comes into your house, because when we go in
the woods, we're in their house. So if you are respectful, if
you don't go in and trash the place up, if you go in,
go into the woods, just sit and read a book. Look, you
don't have to go walk around stomping around at night and fall off a cliff
or stick your foot in a got for hole and break your knee. If
they're there and they want to interact with you, they will. If they
don't. Okay, it wasn't that kind of day, But you know,
there's there's more going on. Arla talked about the woo stuff. Yeah,
when when she first started, she she was the self proclaimed queen of Wu.
But now we've gotten long, it's really interesting to see what kind of
things that used to be. Oh, that's just completely wo and no,
no, that can't happen to mm hmm. Something going on here. We
don't know what it is, but there's something going on. More and more
people that are that are out doing this now, even if they don't admit
it publicly, they're starting to realize that this is this is more than meets
the eye. This is more than just an animal in the woods. That
that's why I'm out there now trying to figure out what is this, what
are they? Where did they come from? Who came first? I don't
know where did they come from? I don't know. I haven't had the
opportunity to ask one yet. Hopefully one day I'll get a chance. But
you know, they're I don't think. I think if we go into the
to a situation without anger, without fear, just just leave all of your
human you know, prejudgments behind. I think they know that. I think
they can tell our intentions. Again, I don't know how you call it.
What you want to Lefty whoever, I don't know. But just like
you know your dog knows when you've had a bad day, sure these guys
are smarter than your dog. So I think a lot of that stuff we
have to leave. We have to leave it behind when we go out into
the woods. And it's scary, I will tell you right now. I
still say times get creeped out in the woods. I'm still working with it.
Arla walks in the woods and thinks nothing of it, and you know,
it's no big deal. The woods are scared of Arla. The woods
respect Arla and all respects the wood kidding. So you know this is like
Carla said, don't discount things without first at least taking a look. You
know, I don't have to agree with you. You don't have to agree
with me. We still go eat pizza and be friends. But if you
just throw something out just because that doesn't fit or I don't like it,
You're apt to miss something that was a piece of the puzzle that you need.
I've had several instances happen like that where I just had to sit back
and go m isn't that interesting? Learned something today, didn't you? You
just mentioned my favorite food that that could be a signed Nathan. I feel
like this is a good time. Let's play Steve one and then I'd like
to get Arla and Terry's take, and then as well you and Deb's as
well. Could you play Steve one? Please? This is from by the
way, I just sm just set this up. This stuff. I'll tell
the go ahead, DJ, I'll pause. I'm sorry, I'm Nathan.
I should have So this is Matt Napp from Bigfoot Crossroads, our former Cabby
and our still friend and someone who I hope will come back and co host
with Us. We love Matt and his show. Interviewing Steve from Appalachia who's
a scientist from University of Florida. Please go ahead, sir, mystical stuff
do you attribute to just things that we just don't really understand yet scientifically?
One hundred I was gonna say, do you think there's anything out there?
I mean, it's such a hard concept to even grasp, but the idea
that there are things that defy all explanations, even beyond our own comprehensions or
whatever. There's actually something truly mystical out there? Or is it just stuff
that we don't have the right sensory organs or we don't have the right tools
of measurement to understand it at this point? Both one hundred percent both,
and you're going to get that answer to a lot of questions tonight. One
percent. Both. We don't understand anything. See that's this is the thing
at the core of it. We don't understand anything. Now. We know
how some things work, but do we understand it understanding and being able to
I don't know how combuinction engine works, but I can drive a car,
yeah, you know, I don't. I could not build a computer I
don't really know how computer works, but I use them all the time.
So it's kind of like that. Our very physical sciences, our Newtonian physics,
clearly is just missing a piece of the equation. There's something that it
just has not factored in yet, which I suspect is consciousness that's underpinning the
whole thing. So is there something out there? Clearly there is. Do
we have any inkling what it is? Or have we ever? Probably not?
Can we even know? I don't know. I mean, we're limited
by primate brains. And even though we have a very advanced and highly evolved
primate brain, that is a physical construct within a physical seeming setting, and
so there are going to be things that we may never be able to grasp
as long as we are in that physical construct. That's it, Arla,
your thoughts the phenomenon writ large, Well, I've seen too much. I
have seen Native elders do things that people say, oh, that can't be
done. I've literally watched it. And you know, I am in the
woods every day. We are not the only ones in this universe, and
we are not the only sentient being on this earth as well. So we
are just scratching the surface scientifically. You know. Ron Moorehead and I talked
years ago when he first started doing the quantum physics, and he had asked
me, he said, I want you to read this paper that I'm working
on, and I want your opinion of if you think it's in the ballpark
of what you know. And so I didn't understand most of what I read,
but he explained it to me, and I said, sure, you
know, I can't explain it scientifically, but I have seen them do these
things. I've seen other humans do things that most people say can't be done.
And so if we keep ourselves in this little box of this is what
we know at this moment, then no, you won't ever know unless you
open that box and put yourself in a place not jumping in and saying,
oh my god, that's it. But don't negate it. Either set with
it and think about it and talk to other people. That's the main reason
that I do what I do is for other people to help connect with them.
I don't tell people what to think, and you know, but I'm
here, Oh listen, you can trust me. There was a lot of
people in the bigfoot world that wouldn't even mention the word WU when I came
into this, But they would privately talk to me and tell me things,
you know, that were going on. A lot of people on BFRO would
talk to me, but they knew they were safe. It wasn't my place
to tell, you know, what they were telling me. And I didn't
tell them what to believe. I just them talk and come, you know,
to their conclusions. That's how I was taught, and I believe that
that's really how someone learns, is to learn by opening themselves up to the
experiences that they're rabbit. So Terry's wanting to highlight the quantum Bigfoot by Ron
Morehead. I guess you meet Ron last year in Okalla. Awesome guy,
and Julie wanted to point out that doctor Simeon Hines dark matter monsters also great
guy, great book, former guest, and I agree that I don't even
personally Arla before I passed to Terry, I don't even use the word WU
because I find that labels can can conjure emotions that aren't necessary. You know,
we're analyzing Bigfoot. You know this this this creature that we don't know
the exact origin but appears to be part human and part animals, you know,
like us, I guess and I just say, maybe it has some
abilities that we don't quite know how to how to contextualize. But when I
use the word WU, then people can they're happy because they can automatically put
me in a box. So I try not to use that. But no
box, people don't go in boxes. Good point. But you know you
had talked about doctor Bender Nigel earlier, Doctor Bender Nagel was mentioned. I
did a conference with doctor Big Bender Nigel in UH, British Columbia several years
ago, and he even went camping UH with us and I got to visit
him, and he was so open minded to all of this. But it
wasn't something he could just go out and say, you know, this is
what I think, because he was about having uh, some kind of line
of proof that these things are happening. But he's all so who oh my
gosh, he was he must be based on what I've heard, and like
Terry, I want to go out in the woods with Arla. Terry,
sir, what did you think of of? What? What did you think
of? What Steve had to say? Oh? He was. I think
he's just spot on. Let's let's talk about something real quickly. Let's let's
talk about the word magic. We throw the word magic around all the time.
I got a big lighter in my hand here today, No big deal.
You strike flame up with that thing. The big deal costs a buck.
Take that back a couple of hundred years. Just a couple of hundred
years. Walk out into public and flick that thing and fire comes out of
it. You're probably going to be in jail, and then you're probably going
to be burned at the state because back then you were magic and that was
of the devil. Magic is a word that we use to describe something right
now that we don't currently have tools in our toolbox to understand. So don't
poo poo something just because it gets to label magic. All this quantum stuff,
you know again, I love Roy Moorhead's book Quantum Bigfoot. It's absolutely
spot on in my opinion, about a lot of things that are going on.
There's more going on on this planet than we see. We live in
a three dimensional world. There's more around us than we have any idea that's
going on. We don't have the tools yet to understand it or to see
it. We can see the periphery. We can see the results of some
of the things that happen, but we don't have a clue as to what's
really behind it because we can't see through that curtain yet. I think we
will at some point if we keep growing and going forward and don't blow ourselves
up in the process. I think I think we can learn. There's a
lot of things that I have have learned that initially, when I first started
this years ago, i'd have looked at people and gone, aren't you sweet?
No, bless your heart? Okay, portals, portals, portals,
Oh my gosh. When I first started this, portals, yeah, bless
your heart, aren't you sweet? Until I saw one open? Yeah,
right, and that, you know, that changes everything. We've actually got
a group I was with actually has that on thermal. The Meadow Project.
The Meadow Project another another great one I've got. It's a book there and
I get no money from this book. It's just a good, good book.
I know those guys in the theory in that book. But we were
in the meadow. I was sitting there with a bunch of people. We
were in there, fourteens and we A buddy of mine and I had gone
down into that meadow as we did all the time in the daylight, walked
around, looked at things. Okay, that's a rock that's gonna look like
a big foot at night. That's a big bush that's gonna look like a
big foot at night. There's a tree over there that's gonna look like Okay,
so we know where everything is. We get down there in the middle
of the night, get all settled and kind I'm kind of abridging this,
But all of a sudden, I hear my buddy next to me say what
is that square thing out there? And it didn't dawn on me what he
was saying at first, and I hear him again, he said, what
is that square thing I'm looking at? And at that point it hit me
there is no square thing. We were down here this afternoon. What are
you talking about? So I just leaned over and said, what you got?
He said, here, take a look, sure is the world.
There was a square opening up right there on his thermal. You could not
see it with your naked eye. I don't know what it was. I
don't know where it came from, but it's there. Until you actually see
it, you know, that's it's a different thing. So now I'm thinking,
Okay, now I got a number one, apologize to all the people
that that I snickered at. And number two what is this? And truly,
I think portals right now, this is my opinion. It's kind of
like an ant waking up and finding that someone has has built a road next
to their ant. He'll and from the ant's perspective, he has no idea
what it is. He has no idea who built it, he has no
idea what it's used for. I think that's kind of the way we are
about those and a lot of things. So you know, don't don't throw
something out just because initially it goes against what you've been taught. Sometimes you
have to earn unlearned things a little bit. Yeah, and I agree with
everything you said. And by the way, there is a I heard one
of Terry's colleagues interviewed who told the exact same story. He was an EMT
and Terry was out there with a group of professional colleagues, a group of
professionals that were doing this work, and they were professionally set up to capture
Bigfoot and got a lot more than what they bargained for in terms of the
portal. First of all, before Nathan, before you go, I'd like
to welcome the stage the host of all things unexplained. My friend. He's
Terry's brother to the north because he's in North Carolina, but he's from Mississippi.
Put your hands together for doctor Tim Mountce. Hey, thanks so much,
thank you. I really apologize for being late, and it's so good
to be here. Thanks for having me. Hi Nathan, La Hi Dale,
Hi, Terry h DJ. Let me tell you, yeah, I
apologize for being late, but I just returned from Rosville, New Mexico.
And the hitchhiker effect is real, y'all because it's it's hitchhike to sway on
back to North Carolina. Doctor Tim Mounts, Oh my god, I love
this guy, Nathan. I just want to ask you an unfortunate I'm going
to have to send Tim that MP three so that he can hear it that
clip of, but he may have actually listened to the episode Steve with Matt
of Bigfoot Crossroads. Did you have some comments Nathan about what Steve said?
Was that intriguing at all? Oh? Yeah, totally. I Mean this
whole conversation has been you know, right right down our Alley here in terms
of paradigm changing and opening the aperture. And you hear that a lot.
It's great to hear it from other disciplines, right, So we hear that
quite a bit in the UFO community, but hearing it in the Bigfoot community
as well. I think it just signals that we're going through a kind of
shift in our society, recognizing that the way we were doing things, the
way we thought we know, the things we think we know to be true,
those things are changing and we're willing to bring more information, more maybe
even more uncertainty into our picture of the world. And that is kind of
it's unsettling, right. We don't like to not have all the answers,
and our kind of enlightenment science has all been built on let's just study this
a little bit more. Let's get a better microscope so we can understand what
this is. And once we understand it, then we'll fully have mastery over
it and we can do something with it. That's kind of been the aim
of our science is to master it and then do something with it and control
it, and that's what we get our technology. But I think we're kind
of coming to a place where we're recognizing that that's not all there is to
reality. Reality is more complex and strange and weird than just that. And
so the more people that think that, the more people that get exposed to
that. I think all of your experience speaks to this very well. The
more people that come to that place, then things also begin to shift with
them, and it becomes a kind of almost cotageous thing that happens. And
this is how paradigms do change, that they change kind of gradually. And
so I just believe that we're going through a time right now where it is
happening. And you know, if we were to have a historical perspective,
we could go into the future one hundred years and look back at this time,
we would see that the seeds of the change are evident, but they're
not necessarily evident all of the people who are here right now. I'm not
saying that people in this room, but people in society in the world right
now. It's funny. And Nathan, the Bigfoot behind you, I don't
know if that's the one that came and poked the tent like our law.
I'm sure told that Bigfoot go to Terry's tent and mess with him tonight.
That was what you didn't hear, Terry when you were picking up trash.
That's that's what happened. You're not going to cop to that early. No,
No, they do what they choose to do. So I just had
to explore this as a possibility. It's just I'm doing Rick, I'm doing
Rick Taylor's investigative techniques here. I have no control. I'm over this.
I'm just I'm just here. My heart's open, you know. So I
listen and and yes, I was in the paranormal Bigfoot to you with Flash
of Beauty. And actually when Rick Wood talk then they had me. And
then towards at almost the end of it, they put what I've said from
day one, don't throw it out, file it away. I'm with you,
Uh, Debs, can I get your lease on? Steve? I'm
so excited to talk about this. So he was talking about our limitations and
understanding, and I think the biggest limitation we have is being human, not
being part of the planet and an animal, but being human and thinking that
we're separate from the other things on the planet. Because if you break it
all down, which I have, there's some really weird things that people would
call wu or magical happening naturally, and we are the only ones who are
like, oh, that can't happen. But it's happening all around the planet.
And an example is the way, like for instance, fun guy and
plant life communicate with each other with chemical messaging and electrical signals, and that
happens from the microbiological level all the way up. We're the only animal probably
that doesn't realize that we're doing it, you know, so like I actually
begin to think that we might that might explain telepathy for instance, that we're
probably doing it too, we like it happens with all these other species,
right, So I guess my point is the only limitation really is that we're
human, not you know, anything else, but the fact that we think
that we're separate. Yep, Can I just ask you one further question,
Yes, the point that Steve was making where he asked, he questioned whether
or not we have the capacity to understand do we If we get more primal
and accept that we're part of this planet and not something other and special and
above everything, we could probably connect back to the other species on the planet.
And if you look at some of our relatives our cousins. They're probably
doing it. You know, they're probably using infrasound and things like that.
And you know, if we could just step out of our egos, you
know, we could probably do it all to you and start to understand.
Tim. I just want to get some of your thoughts on you. You've
heard what everyone had to say. They're commenting on what Steve said to Matt,
and I don't know if you heard that pod or not, but just
based on the tenor of what you've heard, that's a good question. I
don't know if I'm qualified to jump in on it at this point, but
okay, we'll put you back and I'm skiddy, you know, basically I
will send you that clip. But basically he's talking about that we don't understand
anything about the phenomenon, and he questions if I were to encapsulate Nathan,
he said, we don't understand anything, and he's not positive that we actually
can understand it all. Is that right? If I were to break it
down into one sentence, yeah, I think that's it right. And we've
talked about this many times that are we're limited by our senses, right,
We're very limited by what we can actually receive about the world, and all
we know about the world is coming to us just through our senses. There's
no way we can experience reality outside of our sense perception of it. And
so he's acknowledging that truth and acknowledging that there's a lot happening. You know,
Terry's spoken about this too, there's a lot happening outside of that very
narrow band of our ability to perceive. And you know, I like Terry
talking about the computer because you know, Bernardo Castrop likes to use that analogy
too, and he talks about, you know, icons on the screen or
sorry, Donald Hoffman, he's at this analogy icons on the screen. You
know, you're not looking at it on your desktop. And it's not an
actual trash can, but we you know, we put things in there.
It's representative of, you know, taking out the trash and that's really what
reality is. You know, the trash can you see in your kitchen or
whatever, you know, isn't it's real, not that it's not real,
but it's representative of a deeper reality that we can't actually tap into beyond that
as we have a limited perception of it. But he did identify consciousness as
maybe the key to it. Well, I actually do have some thoughts on
that. DJ. Well, please let me clear the stage, so I'll
diverge from Nathan just a little bit, because you know, I'm a big
Albert Einstein fan. And Albert Einstein was looking for a theory of everything,
but he got thrown off by a little thing called quantum mechanics. And he
had been called something called quantum entanglement, you know, spooky spooky action at
a distance. And this kind of really threw Einstein for loop. And here
many years later, I had a chance to talk to Eric Bard, you
know, chief scientist at Skinwalker Ranch, and I really love something Eric said.
And Eric said that he is looking for nothing less than a unifying theory
that can explain everything that they're seeing, from the paranormal to the macro,
to the micro, to the physics, to the quantum physics, to the
mathematics, all of it. And I think that, you know, we
quantum physics, mathematics. It gives us insight into things that we cannot perceive
or may not be aware that we're perceiving. They may be perhaps having an
effect on us. There could be something on the far side of the of
the universe through you know, quantum entanglement that is having some sort of effect
on us. And the key to it. I think one of the keys
could be, you know, physics and mathematics and science, and so I
do think that there is hope out there too unify all these things in a
way that ties them all together. It's sort of like having that right mixture
of flowers, salt and everything to make that great apple pie. Anybody here,
bake Arlo, Terry? Anybody no? My wife? Does? Arlos?
Say yes? And Tim's Tim's raising his hand? All right, me
too, because I bag. So what I want to do now, Nathan,
Let's play that second clip and then that I want to get to like
how Arla and Terry met and if it was during that first camping counter.
But let's play that second clip, if you will, please? Do you
want to introduce it at all? Oh? So try to a Matt Napp
of Big Pot Crossroads. This is his guest, Steve, who is a
scientist from grew up, as he describes it, in the foothills of Appalachia.
He wants to maintain his anonymity. He was a scientist at University of
Florida, which means he's almost as smart as doctor Mounts as far as we're
concerned. But isn't it interesting that you have all these different communities of people,
all these I mean just civilization, just different societies all over the world,
different belief systems, everything, religions, all the different things where there's
so many things that are talked about and just different names applied to them,
but they're all talking about the same thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
How can you not see that as acknowledgment that these things do exist and are
very real? Absolutely? Well, you know, humans are fear based,
and I find the more committed a given person is to their belief system,
the more willing they are to shut out parts of observable reality. So on
the religious d end, people are going to, you know, immediately go
to demon no matter what it is. And then on the science end,
they're going to go to, oh, that can't be real because it doesn't
fit our Newtonian physics. Most of those are fear responses in my opinion,
you know, because they are desperately clinging to their certainty in a given store
and they don't want anything that's going to interfere with that story. You know,
they're looking for confirmation biases. They're not looking for mysteries outside of their
their badly wick right. But yeah, these things are everywhere. They're constant,
they've always been going on, they're always described. You can go to
any culture on Earth and you're going to find these stories. And that's like
with with my ancestors. So that that was it right there. I cut
it right there, But I thought that was really good. So Arlow,
what did you what did you think of that? And then we'll just kind
of have some free free talk about that. What what did you think of
what he said there? I didn't hear anything he said? I heard nothing?
Is it because of the Jack Russell terrier in the background. No,
that is Malibu that docs and Chouala her daddy came home. So did anybody
hear that? Nathan or Terry? Yeah? I got it. Tell me
Malibu hello for me. I will oh. Yeah. The The part truly
I'd like to address is the fear based concept that he said that is absolutely
true. Why is it that anytime we start talking about aliens or anything else
that we don't understand, Well, they're always here to conquer us, to
subjugate us, to carry us off to do whatever. Why is that is
that reality? Or could it be perhaps if that's what we've done to each
other throughout our existence here, that's all we know. So yeah, we're
we're absolutely fear based. We're reactionary, and you gotta work hard to get
past that. I've done my best again. I I'm not nearly as afraid
of going out in the woods and running into a big Foot as I used
to be, because because I've kind of learned. You know, if you
if you talk to them and tell them. It sounds crazy, but I've
seen it work. I've done it. Hey, I'm not here to hurt
me by. I'm just here to kind of hang out and learn about you.
If you want to be around, that's fine. If not, that's
okay. I just call it talking to the woods now And I used to
laugh at that. It works. If nothing else, it makes you feel
more comfortable in your own skin. But there is you're projecting your intentions and
you're getting past your fear. So you know that's I don't think bigfoot are
there to kill us. I don't think they're blood thirsty. I don't you
know, like you hear people talk about that. Oh I got running out
of the woods by Bigfoot. He just was screaming and throwing rocks and logs,
and I happened to you, not happened to me. Interesting. The
reason my always my question to those people is with respect, what were you
doing? What were you doing that might have caused him to do that?
Because remember, you're in his house. Did you get to get too close
to their kids? Which I think the encounter I told you guys about last
time I was on when I was on the trail and got the tingleys,
what is that? It was kind of just electricity. We got too close
and I just sat out loud. Okay, guys, I think we're too
close. We're going back up five steps back gone. So you know what
were we doing? Were we between them and a food source? Did missus
Bigfoot say, uh buy Bigfoot, go out and go down to the to
the creek and grab us some steelhead trout? Kids are hungry, bring it
home for supper tonight. So he's out, you know, the son's going
down, he's wandering out towards this creek. Well, in the meantime,
you've gone in and set up on his on his bank there on his sandbar,
and you're pulling in trout left and right, and then you get in
your tent. Well, he comes along. He can't get to the refrigerator
or the grocery store. So he's upset because you know, you guys are
married out there. You know, if the wife sends you out for groceries
and you come back empty handed, you're in trouble. So or is he
trying to just get to his food source. There's a lot of things that
you have to stop and think about. It's not all about us, you
know, it's truly it's it's not they're out to get us, right,
What were we doing that might have caused this? And when you start looking
at things that way, you start to change. Your fear level goes down.
At least mine has a good bit because you realize, oh, well,
this is just their way is saying hey, we're busy right now,
we don't want you around or whatever. Fine, that's fine. You know,
I don't want people in my house every every hour and every minute.
I want some time to hang out with my wife. You know, maybe
that's just that goes for them. You know, there's a lot of stuff
that that we truly don't understand but if you if you again open your eyes,
stop thinking with your brain, and I guess, for lack of a
better term, as all that says, think with your heart. You get
you get more places, and you get more, you get closer to the
answers. Yep, now the answers are there. There, the answers are
there. All you have to do is be open. I will address fear.
Fear is a learned thing. We're not born with fear. We are
taught fear. I was never taught to fear anything. As a little girl,
I interacted with many beings, from star people to little people, anything
that was in the forest or anywhere, you know. I was taught to
be respectful and and talk to them, and I wanted to know who they
were and what they were doing. I was that kid that when you heard
something under your bed, I didn't cover my head up. I leaned over
my bed and looked under to see, you know, what's making that noise
down there. So I've never had a fear. I have a respect and
I have no problem talking to anything. You know. Star people, like
I said, have been a part of my life since I was young,
and so many other things. And we are all related. Everything on this
earth and beyond is related in some fashion or another, and for sure for
humans, I mean, you're made up of all of the things that are
here on this earth. And so if you can get past the fear and
something else, what you feed your mind is the experience that you're going to
have. And that's what I tell people all the time who talk about,
oh my gosh, they were trying to get in my house. They were
rattling the door. If they wanted in your house, that door would not
stop them, you know. Like for Terry, he was in his tent,
you know, and he was okay. And that's the way it is.
We're in the woods in a tent, which I spend a good part
of the year in the woods in a tent, and that tent's not going
to stop anything. But it's a mind thing. Okay, I really can't
see anything. I can hear something, but as long as I can't see
it, then you know, it's okay. So if you can get past
your fear and realize that they have always been there when you get in the
woods, they are there, whether you see them or not. There's a
lot of things that are there. You just you know, they've found out
now that the heart has what our brain sells, and that when you connect
that with your brain and you open your mind and shift your paradigm, you
are more easily able to see things that maybe before you didn't see. You
know, you are making not only this entire panel just feel really really good
right now, but the entire audience as well. So I want to thank
you for that advice. And I did you know. I've only been out
bigfooting a few times, but one time I did. I went left the
group and I went I took my shoes off, grounded myself barefoot, and
then I just tried to project what I wanted this just a positive conversation with
any bigfoots that may or may not have been present. I don't know if
there were or not, but that's we had heard that they were in this
area. It was a blackwater nature reserve in kind of like not too far
from Pensacola, Florida. But anyway, I did try to do exactly what
I heard Terry talk about through you. What I was going to ask you,
Arla if I may. And we'll circle back to the other things in
a bit, Nathan, But I wanted to ask you when was sort of
your last interaction and do you are receiving some sort of a vibration when you're
in there, you know, close in their presence today. There is stuff
that goes on in our world every day and we're either open to it or
we're not. You know, Uh, there's a family here. So if
I'm out in the woods, I don't go out there to see them.
I go out there because I love the woods, and I talk to everything,
flowers, birds, trees, uh, everything, And so i'm there.
You know, they do things with me. They forever play pranks on
me all the time, and they are masters at doing that, playing pranks.
I sat in stories after story after story of stuff they've done to me
and other people. You know, I'm not the only one that has seen
them here or pretty much anywhere I've been, which has been from coast to
coast and end of British Columbia, and we used to have a campa out
in Georgia and there were things that happened there. It's just it's amazing this
wonderful world that we're a part of, that so many have separated themselves from
all of this. When you don't have to you really don't. I So
I'm going to pass it to Nathan because I'm already plotting and planning for Arla
Williams and Terry Wendell Part two. Because there's so we're gonna get it.
There's just too much, you know, but money. Nathan, please go
ahead, sir, and then we'll go to Tim and then Debs. Awesome.
I mean, this conversation has been just really, really wonderful. I
think because people on a on a deep level, really connect with what what
you're saying. I think everybody has their has this capacity within themselves, but
we're kind of We've been born into a world that has forgotten that for a
very long time, and we have this amnesia, this sort of collective amnesia
that humanity hasn't always lived like this, And so I'm curious, you know,
where do you see the journey going from here for all of us in
humanity, particularly in this day and age where you know, we do have
a lot of technology and that seems to be increasing. There are a lot
of folks who you know, are really tethered to that, and at the
same time, we see an emergence of of of sort of feelings and sensing
of things that you're speaking to. So do you think we're going to see
a blend of these sort of perspectives going forward? Where do you see us
going from here? And Terry, I'm gonna start with you on that one.
Well, that's that's a good question. And I think if we're if
we're going to survive as as human beings, we need to learn to evolve.
Now what does that mean? Does that mean we we lose our hair
and turn gray and look like the you know, the star people or whatever.
I don't know me, Yeah, sorry, but we need to change
the way we think about things. You know, one of the things my
wife and I talk about a lot. As a matter of fact, I
don't want to get religious sounding, but you know, we actually ask when
we say our prayers, we actually pray please help human beings to learn that
we have to stop fighting before it's too late. You know, we're killing
each other over nothing and nothing that matters anywhere else, you know, so
we need to learn to get beyond what we've been taught. And you know,
the thing about the heart, it's very poignant that you mentioned that it's
back centuries ago the medical community with you know, what was called the medical
community. Back then, centuries ago, thought the heart was the center of
your soul, not your brain. Your heart, And only in modern times
have we changed that that thinking that, oh, the brains where consciousness lives.
Well, you know, I'm beginning to wonder could it be both?
You know, it's it's not an either or thing. There are there are
scientists who have come out with theories in the medical community. There's not enough
stuff in our brains to do all the things that our brains do for us.
We're connected to something we don't understand. You know, where do we
go when we sleep at night? I've always wondered that, you know,
when you die, all the near death experiences you have that you've heard about,
what's that? Is that just your brain it's last gasp? Or is
there really something going on there? You know, we need to start recognizing
that we don't have all the answers, and again we don't even know all
the questions. And I think once we be a little more honest with ourselves,
that'll start the learning process for real. But you know, we can't
keep going like this. This is this, this is a dead in future
and no pun intended. So we've got to figure out a way to get
beyond fear, a way to get beyond hate, a way to get beyond
all this other stuff, and just realize, you know, guys, we
gotta change. We gotta change political partisanship. Yeah, I agree with you,
Terry and Arlae. I'm one of those who goes into the woods and
speaks to the woods and the animals and says hello to everything. And everything
you said there resonates with my experience in the woods every time I go,
which is basically every weekend. But let me go to police Tim and then
deb so that they can get their angle on what they'd like to asking to
whom. Oh yeah, well, I was wondering, Terry, what's the
squatchiest place or places you've ever experienced? Ah, gosh, that's a I
do a lot in the National Forest. Oh yes, that's just down the
road from me. Strange things happened in the UI. That was my very
first official bigfoot outing. When I'm back, I had no clue what was
going on, and I got hooked up with a couple of people who said,
yeah, he doesn't look like he's an ex murderer. Let's bring him
out. And you know, well, we'll go out in the woods.
My very first outing in Ui, I had a rock thrown at me or
not I'm sorry, not at me. We had a rock thrown into camp
and this is that rock. I can carry that with me to this day.
We recovered it. The guys that I was with had thermal gear and
we actually have a video. It's on their side. I can't show it
because I don't have permission and I didn't ask tonight, so I can't show
it. But they actually caught the rock being thrown as it arced across in
front of the campra and because it had been held and this was like,
you know, two in them during one point thirty two in the morning,
because it had been held by something. It was hot. It was like
it had been held in a fist or something. Wow, you could see
it. It stuck out like a sore thumb on the on the thermal stuff.
And they were able to walk in the other one guy walked in the
other guy and picked up this rock and they gave it to me in honor
of my first ever going out. It's rare now that I go out in
the woods that I don't have a rock or something thrown my way when we
were back up the story that I told you guys last time about the eyes
and stuff on the trail in the middle of the night. You know this
this past time we went back to that same festival. This year, it
was pouring down rain, so we really didn't get out in the woods and
we had we had rocks just pelting that we were up in a cabin that's
just way up in the woods. I mean, it's it's in the South
Carolina woods, up in the mountains. The festival people had put us up
there, and it's an area that they didn't tell us initially, but it
was famous for sightings and encounters, and you know, we knew that there
was something there from the last trip. Michael Michael Cook and I had both
experienced it out in the woods together, and this pastime we went out.
We didn't go because it was poured down rain. We just sat on the
on the big front porch on the cabin and we had rocks thrown on the
roof. We had rocks thrown on the shed building next to us. I
mean, there was one I was saying earlier it was like a john It
was like a Gihn bottom drum. Solo just and I would just laugh and
like, oh, guys, this is so great. We're glad you're here.
We'll stay over here. We won't come over there and bother you.
They were on the other side. We couldn't see them as was adjacent to
the forest, and so they were just you know, we were getting rocks,
just being butting bean, butting bean, ban bean, and then it
would stop and okay, that was great, guys, can you do it
again? Getting ban ban ban bean? Now, in fairness, the wind
was blowing. The next morning, I got up, walked around over there
and there were a couple of trees that were over this this building, the
shed. There were none over the roof where we were. But in fairness,
I went out and looked, and you know, expected to find a
bunch of limbs down and stuff. Nothing. I grabbed the hand of acorns
that were up there, thinking, okay, let me chuck some of these
up on the roof and see if it makes the same sound nowhere close.
So you tell me, you know, it's it's just it's stuff like that.
But I would say you, Warri is probably there's stuff in Yari that
it's I've seen lights, I've seen. Yeah, I don't know what that
would be one. The other one is the book that I flashed up about
the meadow. I can't tell you where that is, Terry, When is
this nda? Is it twenty five years? The ninja guys will come after
me, you don't. You don't know who so many people are I do.
I gave my word, so I can't do that an NBA with them,
So I've got to honor my word. But that place you talked about,
skin walker, this place is a skin Walker of the southeast brother.
The only thing that has not shown up there to date is the lock Ness
Monster. And there is a swampy area way. Oh yeah, there's a
lake Lake Ayden Lake. I think it is. No, it's it's just
you know, again, I can't tell you this was not in the war.
I can't tell you where this is. Places were probably probably the squatchiest
areas that that that I can that I've been involved with. And again,
the fright part is going away once you realize what's going on. You know,
I still get I still do get a little creeped out in the dark
because you can't see. Yeah, you know, we we are sensory,
sensory beings. You know, we are used to seeing things, Terry.
That's what That's what we have Arla for. I'm not gonna go seet all
this money on mvgs when I can just hold Arla's hand, have her lead
me into the forest. You know, when I got poked in the shoulder
when I was with Arla down in Georgia, she took off, She took
off walking. She she has this Arla phrase that I've learned to mean,
uh, I think we're gonna have company. But she'll just say I think
I'm gonna take a walk, and I know what that means. We got
company. So I heard you when she said that, I said, well,
can I come with you? And she said sure. Now I don't
know if it was just she knew where she was going and I dumb luck.
I don't know, but she took off walking like she had built in
thermal flear anything you could think of. I'm walking behind her, trying to
keep up and not step on a root ball or step in a chuck hole,
and and you know nothing, and man, she's just making a beeline
right through the woods. No flashlights, no flashlights, nor like no nothing.
Can you would you confirm or deny that you have the glowing eyes exactly
like sasquatch has. Well, I don't know nobody's ever photographed that or not,
but I don't know. I mean logically, if you're in the dark
for a certain period of time, you can start seeing the out you know,
shadows or or other things. Like I've been in the weod ever since
I was little. I'd walk in the woods at night, and like Terry
said, sometimes I just get up from the fire or whatever, and you
know, go for a walk, and yeah, a lot of times they're
there. Sometimes you know they're not, or I just don't perceive that they're
there, or they just don't let me know, you know that they're there.
And in the beginning, there was a lot of researchers that wanted to
take me too, and I just told them, hey, I'm not big
footbait, so you know, I can't sure you that anything will happen.
I'm not in charge. They are, And everything that has happened when someone
was with me was not something I ask for, you know, in the
case with Stuart uh that was totally directed by them. I just you know,
did what I was asked to do. So Uh, yeah, that's
cool to walk in the woods at night. It is, man, it
is. I'm learning that you leave the million candlewat flashlights and search lights at
home. Okay, Terry, I have a red head lamp. Is that
okay? Can I have myne I mean, yeah, that's that's ain.
But but don't what if was not there? What are we gonna do?
Don't don't go out with the with the billion candlewat candle power. You know.
Number one, you kill your night vision doing that till your name it
takes thirty or forty minutes to get that back. And number two, you
run off any of the any of the animal life there, the standard animal
life, let alone bigfoot. You know, just just leave us stuff at
home. Yep. I have thirteen years of my Air Force career using night
vision goggles, like two thousand hours worth, so I'm very familiar with being
able to amplify your night vision just like Arla said, or destroying your night
vision and having like discipline in the whole nine yards. So I have great
appreciation for what you both have said. Debs. Let's go to you and
then we'll probably have a last round, yes, ma'am. Okay, So
this is gonna be a question for Arla. You mentioned that you were not
afraid when you looked under the bed. Well, I had a personal,
very strange experience then. I couldn't tell you why. But when I was
very little, I told people that there was something under my bed and that
it was gnomes or something like gnomes, and I would jump into my bed.
And that is not something that you like, Like, I don't understand
why children think something's in their room or under their bed, because that's not
something parents tell their kids generally. It has been used culturally, of course,
like to scare kids away from going to the water so they don't drown
and things like that, but generally, like I never told my kids there
was anything under the bed or anything. So, so what is going on
with that? Like why are we Why are children having these experiences where they
think something's in their room or under their bed. Children are so perceptive,
And I always tell people, and I talk a lot about if we come
to this with the mind of a child, if you're out in the woods
and you bring that child mind back, it's a mind of wonder of everything.
If you've not been taught fear, which I wasn't taught fear, so
you know, kids just totally open up. I've got grandkids that you know,
they're they're like me, and that they are so open to seeing things.
I've got a one granddaughter who was open from the time she was little
and would say things and you know, you would look at her. Where'd
you get that at? You know? And how do you know that?
So it's all about, you know, being open, and children are at
some point that begins to change. If we have parents who tell us you
can't think that that's not real, you're just imagining that. And if you
can leave all of that stuff out of it and just listen to the child
and what they're telling you, then so much of what they see is valid
and true. You know. Like I said, I was taught not to
be afraid of anything, and I talked to everything. Everything's a part of
me and I'm a part of everything, and all of us are. And
so you know, how you're brought up is a big deal, and then
what you feed your mind is a big deal too, And I want to
feel I wanted to follow up for those who are curious about this. I
was told, of course that there was nothing there, but I continue to
jump to get into my bed for like two years, so I don't I
don't know what was going on. I don't remember, but I do know
that it was very young and I was scared. Yeah, yeah, and
I can you know, I can understand that too if you don't have a
reference for what's going on, and that's what happens, you know, with
people and being afraid of the Bigfoot, is they don't have a reference from
my point of view, they have a reference from what they've been told.
So somewhere along the line, you were probably either read a story or told
something you know, or didn't have someone to talk to. You know,
I had my grandmother. I could say anything to you. And that's where
we have to be and be supportive of what people are saying, even adults.
You know, I'm not gonna tell anybody you didn't see that, because
that's I can't do that and I wouldn't do it either. But I love
that story. Thank you for sharing that. The only thing under my bed
was lint. I mean, I was going to tell you that story,
but I didn't think they're just going to resonate. But there certainly was a
lot of lint and cat hair well, there wasn't cat hair undermine, but
I'm sure there was and a lot of that I had. I'm sure there
were rocks and flowers and sticks and you know all that stuff too. So
but yeah, it's just so amazing. We're definitely gonna have we are definitely.
We're requesting right now on air to have Arla and Terry too. Don't
feel any pressure to accept. Uh, And then I'm good. I'm good.
I'll tell you what. Can I share something with you? Real fast?
There's a little teaser for round two? Yeah, about nine minutes left,
So okay, I'm gonna just flash an image up on the screen.
Can you guys see that? That is one of Arla's companions that lives on
her farm. Now, this was Arli. You please feel free to jump
in tell the story, but this was this was an older print. It
had been raining a little bit by the time I got there. But tell
them where that was in relation to where I stayed when I came to visit
you. Oh, not very far? Thirty odd into the woods? Yeah,
maybe maybe that far. This is the al caller's footprint. Wow,
he is the father of the family that's here. This is the one that
did the al cal in Stuart Taylor's audio where he's watching the family. But
and through the years, ol Caller has grown some too. But I mean
it's a footprint. It's like my feetprint are everywhere, you know, and
and there's our two. I found a footprint today. I know whose it
was because I'm in these woods, like I said, every day, and
I've watched some of the hairy kids footprints change. I got one I call
Blue, and I call him Blue big toe because in his prince his toes
a little bigger on the others. So they're my neighbors. They live in
the woods here, and uh, I interact with them sometimes and sometimes they
don't. Okay, Apparently Hararah is demanding that she does the rest of the
show with me, and I don't. I'm not in a position to get
clawed in the back, which is what she will do if I try to
get her off. Haarah, welcome to the show, your second straight episode
on CAB. So let's go to money, Nathan. So let's make this
sort of a lightning round. I have I have another final question as well,
but let's go to money Nathan. Please, all right, quick question,
what what's the what the age limit is here on these on these being
you know, what's what's the how do they live? Well, I'll call
her from what I understand is like in his fifties, you know, late
fifties. And there's a mom Mama. I call her mama because when she
sings to the babies, she would say mom, momma. And then there
is Meridia, who is oldest daughter. Now you know I have names for
them. Uh it may or may not be their name. And then there's
Indigo, who has been a part of my physical life for many many years.
His the younger brother Blue. And then uh, there's one I call
baby Girls. She's she's the youngest. She's now right at thirteen. So
that span within there. The oldest of the children is in her twenties and
the others are it's kind of like an average of five years or four or
five years in between in between the kids. You know, I've seen all
of them. Stuart saw them. Many other people have seen them and interacted
with them. Like I said, they choose what it is they do and
I have no control. Right, that's amazing, Terry. What do you
think is the uprage limit? Terry? Do you have there as stories about
that. I have no clue. Truly, Alla would know would know better
about that than I would. I have heard some people say, you know,
human life spans. I've heard other people say one hundred, one hundred
fifty years. I truly have no clue. I know that Arla has been
interacting with this particular clan for a good while, so you know that's That's
really truly the only reference that I have for anything like that, And truly
I'm I'm open to anything at this point, I don't know. That's one
of the reasons that I got into this is I got questions and I want
to know what's going on. I want to learn love it. Tim,
let's get you a lightning question here. Yeah, Arle and Terry, how
do you weed out potential hoaxes? And why do you think people do hoax
attention? They attention in In my opinion, and this is my opinion,
you're looking for something that's about you, not about what you're what you're talking
about for whatever reason, it's an you go driven thing. Somebody else saw
something, So now for me to validate myself, I have to see something.
I think others are just spite or meanness or Hey, I want to
get one over on you guys. You know, I don't know it just
it baffles me why you would do something like that. A lot of times
I take cameras out with me when I go. When I first started,
I thought, oh gosh, yeah, I'm going to go out and get
a get video of bigfoot because I do video stuff, and you know,
that's that's what I do. And yeah, right, go out and try
and take a picture of a squirrel in your yard. It runs up a
tree, they'll go to the other side. So I don't post a lot
of stuff. I don't try to post a lot of stuff. I don't
need to post a lot of stuff. I'm not trying to prove anything to
anybody out there. I'm trying to prove something to me. I want to
know what's going on. So when I film stuff out in the woods,
it's basically like a vlog or a video diary, so that when I come
back, I've got a record of things exactly as it happened, so I
don't change the story. You know, stuff doesn't creep in. Human beings
can be are terrible data recorders. We just don't do well with that.
Well, have you ever gotten a sense somebody is messing with you or trying
to hoax you, or do you keep your outings pretty private for that reason?
I don't. I don't talk about a lot about where I'm going.
I will tell you, you know, the general vicinity. And yes,
there are some people in the Uori that that I believe have hoaxed some things.
That's that's between them and whoever. I'm not gonna call anybody out because
who am I? You know, I mean, cauz Agna, it's pretty
great. I don't care what anybody says. Yeah, oh listen, I've
can't there that was That was straight up. He didn't even know what he
got. You know. The camera that he was using was probably I mean,
it was the size of heck a desk almost. You know, there's
nothing like we have now, So you know, I don't know. There's
times when I look at the Patterson Gimlan film and go, that's real.
There's other times I look at it. Who am I to judge? I'll
tell you about It's what I've cleaned, what I've run into, and my
experiences. So the whole hoaxing thing, you know, I don't. I
don't slow down too much for it. Yeah, yeah, it. You
know, Rick Dyer was the quint essential uh hoakser And there were people jumping
on the bandwagon all the time with no, he's not, he's not,
he's not. I had a personal little interaction with Rick Dyer, uh several
years ago. But uh, it's the nature of the human to do uh
this kind kind of thing, and it is. It's about a lot about
ego because you have something happening and you get all of these people coming and
going, oh wow, that's so cool, you know all of this,
but then nothing else happens. So what do you do? Well, you
got to make something happen so that you can get that. You know,
I've seen people in this lose their livelihood, lose their family, literally lose
themselves because they were so intent on proving and being somebody, when the truth
is we're already all already somebody. We don't need to have to prove,
you know that to anything. One thing I've said from the beginning, you
think you're going out to learn about the Bigfoot, And if you open your
heart, in your mind and shift your paradigm, yes you will learn some
things about them, but you're going to learn more about who you are,
amen, than you're ever gonna learn about them. That's the important thing we
learn about who we are. CAV loves you, Arla, for these words
of wisdom that come from the heart are not contrived and are valuable light life
lessons outside of any pursuit of Bigfoot. That aside, so uh, Tim's
quick hitter actually had three follow upstebs. Well, wait a minute before we
before we even do that in Mississippi's own Mounts, before we do that.
The voices that you are hearing is the legendary Arla Williams from Oklahoma, her
research colleague and dear friend Terry Windell from Rockhill, Bigfoot who I still hope
to go to the into the woods with. And guess what, I live
a lot closer now because I'm in Georgia. Yes, of course, that
is the host of all things unexplained, Doctor Tim Mounts, the former well
I said, former basketball coach, current basketball coach, and former player,
uh, and the lovely Debs and my man Money Nathan. I'll give us
a like and a subscribe, help us out. And boy, we've got
a big announcement coming up for you about calling all beings in short order.
I'll let you know what that is. So Debs, please with your last
one. I'll get a last one, and then we'll get these guys out
of here so the Arla can get some cama meal. T I kee't going
back to something Terry said earlier about us realizing that we need to stop hurting
each other as humans, and it kind of relates to what Arla was just
saying. When you study the paranormal or you know, what I consider just
normal right nature, you learn a lot about humanity and I don't know,
like there's this sense of a lot of people are doing this wrong, something's
very wrong with Like I'm okay with AI and technology, that's not the problem,
but how we treat each other. Like, for me, it just
seems outdated for people to continue to hurt each other. It just feels wrong.
So why do you think that is that we have this sense of need
for peace that is just ever increasing. It's not part of actual human nature
or the planet's nature, but it's something that we keep bringing forward. Well,
peace is something everybody wants, but not everybody is willing to release things
that are going to bring you peace. You know, every day I ask
that I am peace, love, compassion, and joy. And I always
tell people be kind to each other. Just be kind to each other.
Think how wonderful it would be, how we would raise the vibrations of this
world if we were just kind to each other. And you know, my
grandmother always told us kids, don't act ugly, and what she meant by
that was don't do things that are disrespectful because it doesn't make you look very
good. And I never ever want to act ugly to anyone, no matter
what they say to me. I'm just I'm not going to go there because
I see our world opening up being kind to each other. Oh my gosh.
Facebook is so much different now than it was when I came into this
several years ago. I see so much more positive and from people that you
know, you go, wait a minute. It was just not very long
ago that they were ready to go over to some other country and kick somebody's
butt, you know, And now it's we need to figure out how not
to do this. You know, we need to see each other as a
relative. Yeah, I agree completely. My wife is a yoga instructor and
the way she closes all of her yoga classes is, may you be happy,
May you be healthy, May you know great peace, and may you
know great love. And that has really stuck with me. She She says
that every time after they are done, and really and truly, you know,
we can't keep going like this. We can, but we're gonna end
up at the end, and I don't want it to be the end.
So we got to figure out some way to stop fighting over stuff that does
not matter. You know that we we think we Europeans talk about owning the
land. We don't own the land. Nobody owns the land. The land
owns us. You know, we're just taking care of it. We're borrowing
it from our from our grandchildren. I think is one of the Native American
proverbs. So we got to figure out number one, what ticks us off?
Number two why it ticks us off? And number three, how can
we stop getting ticked off? Just let it go? Let stuff go.
That's one thing that I have made it a point to work on every day.
Even if I if I'm by myself and somebody pulls out in front of
me in traffic and this is this is trivial stuff. But somebody pulls out
in front of me in traffic, and I go, oh my God,
and then you stop and think, in one hundred years, what's that going
to matter. Let it go in five minutes, Yeah, five minutes.
Let it go. You'll live a much happier life and that will be reflected
in your continence, when your countenance, I should say continence countenance whenever you're
whenever you're in public, and you know, just let stuff go. That
doesn't matter. You know, it's I had someone, uh, pulling out
onto a busy roadway going to work a couple of week week or so ago,
and the woman who had to break a little bit because I was really
trying to accelerate to slow down traffic and was flipping me the bird and honking
the horn, and of course the light was maybe a fourth of a mile
away and she was sitting right next to me at the light. So it's
Metro Atlanta. It doesn't matter how fast you go, Atta, you're in
good shape. Well yeah, Well the thing is is, like you know
in that you know the Marietta area, You're just going to the next traffic
light. Yep. So I mean it does not matter. You're not you
Yeah, you can't go straight to where you're going. You're gonna be at
that next traffic light, no matter how fast you go anyway. Uh.
Man, So I wanted to ask Arla one final bigfoot question. Uh,
just so that the bigfoot community does not slay us like dragons. Arla make
this a quick hitter, the two parter. But the first part is what
is a safe distance? What do you consider a safe distance? When you're
in there present? Do you try to keep a certain distance? No,
I've been touched many times. Yeah, literally touched. I had a grandfather
walk up to my tent and stick his hand inside the tent and lay his
hand across my stomach. Wow. I've been touched by the kids many times.
I it's all about respect, you know, why are you you know?
Up here people say, oh my gosh, don't look them in the
eyes. If you respect somebody, you're gonna look them in the eye.
You're not gonna look away. These are not animals that you're challenging. This
is somebody many people want to know and to know about. So it's just
simple, be respectful. I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt you. The
feeling running through you when you're in their presence, and what is it different
than when you're in the presence of another human in terms of the energy or
the vibe the well, even humans have their own vibe. And there are
a lot of humans that I might be up next to that I might move
away from. Most of the time. Now I just have a happy feeling
that they're around, or they're close, or you know whatever. There are
times when energetically, yes, you really feel it. I had a man
tell me one night while we were down in the Commishe Mountains, and when
I walked up on the other side of a cedar tree and it was quite
tall, and I was just standing there and I said something to him like
I would anything and that the guy said, man, you got of steel.
I said, no, I don't. I'm just respectful. And so
it's number one, be respectful, Be respectful to yourself. You know as
well. I've felt their energy when it would nearly knock you off your feet.
I felt their energy when all I did was laughing, giggle, and
I could move back away from them and I wouldn't laugh and giggle. I
could go closer and I just start laughing and giggling. So it's whatever you
reflect gets reflected back to you. You know. During my dating life,
some women would giggle when I would get closer back. I don't know if
that's the same. Hey, now, not important, not important. So
let's go with kabby goodbyes, because you know we're just gonna have to save
everything else for a part too. Uh, Tim, Uh, first you
please with Kabby goodbyes. YEP. One thing I read about Terry he said,
you know, also you gotta have respect when you go out in the
woods you find yourself and my goodbyes. I can really relate to this because
I just got back from Roswell, New Mexico. So I think it's the
same with UFOs, with paranormal If you just get off your screens, head
out somewhere, you know, next thing you know, you might find yourself
at a UFO crash site and you didn't even know what was gonna happen.
So get out there, look for the truth that you were supposed to be
saying goodbye and thank you. There wasn't a goodbye in there, and you're
welcome. I love I love coaching, doctor Bounces. If I was just
coach, I'd be like, you're on, Tim, You're on the bench
until you can follow directions, sit on the end of the bench and grab
the gatorade bottle. It was an interpretive goodbye. Okay, I'm sorry Nietzschee
or whatever it was last time, go ahead, And I should have asked
him to look for those three aliens I left there by accident when I was
there there, seriously three aliens that I bought from my kids left them there.
Anyway, try to replace them at least for you. Yeah, it
was very sad, So I very much appreciate you coming back to talk to
us, Terry, and thank you for coming Arla. It was a pleasure
to meet you and to also share the comic experience of things being under the
bed. I'm so glad I'm not alone with that, and which which truly
appreciate you comment and sharing your experiences with us. So thank you both for
coming today. Quite welcome. It's an honor. Yeah, it's been a
true pleasure. You guys have been a delight. Welcome back anytime, Terry
and Arla. I hope you found another home here with us at Calling.
All beings and of course all the listeners and folks in the chat really appreciate
you guys being here as well. It's just been a really great conversation and
it's it warms my heart to hear where the conversation is going with this topic,
and it just because me hope for the future. So thanks very much
for well that you do. No problem. Thank you. I'm really sorry
that you guys had to watch my cat battling. I've never had to battle
with her in front of the microphone except last week and this week. And
I think it's because my wife is sleeping and she let Harah in the room
to make me get off air. Luckily she's behaving right now so I can
say goodbye. Boy. You know it's you guys are just as amazing.
You know, a pair of folks, just beautiful souls that as we've ever
had on the show, and we've had some, you know, souls that
are like you, but you guys remind us of those people who come on
here and inspire us to continue doing this. So thank you from the bottom
of my heart for sharing your time to come on Cab and have a discussion.
It's not a traditional interview, as you can tell, it's very conversational
in nature, but next time I hope to delve deeper into how you discovered,
how you two became friends. Like the first meeting and then some more
of your experiences next time. So but thank you so very much, Arla
Williams and Terry Windell. I really really appreciate it anytime. And that's that's
a story that's pretty interesting too as mine and all his first meeting. We'll
slave that for part two, Yes we will. I will find a place
on the calendar to have you back because I think the response we're getting as
everybody loved you as much as we did. Julie, thank you so much
for making it in tonight. I don't I don't know how you do it,
but I'll be in touch with you about the what the big news is
and on behalf of Arla and Terry and Nathan and Debs and of course doctor
Tim Mounts, who will come off the bench in this next quarter. This
is DJ saying peace out, one love. We'll see you down the road.
And we always wonder what's up around the Bend.