WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:08.679 It's time for Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:24.079 day, now here's Nick Coffee. I think I've made it pretty clear over 3 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:30.160 the last few weeks and even last year following the first appearance in the tvt 4 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.039 for the Pill, that like, I love this stuff, man, And 5 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:37.600 I mean, there's no reason why the local schools around here, Louisville, 6 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:42.759 Kentucky, even Indiana. I mean, this should be an event that when 7 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:45.679 people think of it across the country, they always know that there's gonna be 8 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:49.560 a team from these areas and they're gonna have the opportunity to host in the 9 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:52.799 first rounds and they're gonna have a ton of fans and they're gonna be good. 10 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:58.039 So I love it. But I can't like be critical of these guys, 11 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:02.000 like, you know, they played poorly and it did damage to the 12 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.799 University of Louisville's basketball brand, because like that's that's not what this is. 13 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.519 But again, it is still former players who when you watch them play, 14 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:14.840 it comes natural for you to root for them because of their time at Louisville, 15 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:18.040 And like, I don't know, it's just the the the gray area 16 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:19.680 of like is this the u of L of team. I mean it iss 17 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:25.719 U of ele event. And the TVT does does classify each team if they 18 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:27.640 are an alumni team or not. Now clearly the alumni teams don't have to 19 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:33.400 have only players from one school. But you know, I just like if 20 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.359 they end up playing bad tonight and losing, I'll be disappointed because I want 21 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.599 them to win so bad. But like, it's not like I'm gonna be 22 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.719 ready to craft some really hot scolding takes about you know, can you believe 23 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.719 montters Harold then box out last night? That's why he's not in the NBA. 24 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.200 Like, I just I just that that won't be natural for me to 25 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:49.079 do. And I'm not going to do that. It would be a force 26 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:52.040 and it would be mean. It would just be something I wouldn't want to 27 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:55.000 do. So one thing I will say about them, though, is they're 28 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.400 older. I mean, I don't have the average age range of every roster, 29 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.680 but I went and looked at it here and maybe age is not even 30 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:05.560 as big of a factor. It's really just how in shape you are, 31 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.479 like how long has it been Like for example, last year, he actually 32 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:12.360 didn't play great. It just didn't seem to really like it never really clicked 33 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.639 for him. But Kyle Kuric showed up fresh off of playing some of the 34 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:19.879 highest level basketball you can play that's not in the National Basketball Association. I 35 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.879 mean, Kyle's been a phenomenal pro for many years, and he was in 36 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:27.039 phenomenal shape. And he's on the older side. I mean, Kyle is 37 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.159 old. In fact, Kyle will be the oldest guy on this team. 38 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.759 People forget Kyle Kuric did not play on that twenty thirteen national championship team. 39 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:36.400 His last year was in twenty twelve, so Kyle's been gone for twelve years. 40 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.080 So maybe age is not the best way to really look at it. 41 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:44.879 It's more so like and maybe it's not even fair to say how in shape 42 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:47.000 are they? Because I mean, if you've watched this event, I mean 43 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:51.439 I take care of myself. I run a few miles every day, but 44 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:53.000 I'm not in shape to play like they're playing, you know what I mean. 45 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:58.039 So like, maybe like insinuating they're not in shape, it still seems 46 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.560 unfair. But I guess, you know, professional basketball shape that's a different 47 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:06.319 I guess a different world. And I think some of these guys are but 48 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.879 again, they're not fresh out of college anymore. I mean Russ Smith is 49 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:13.120 thirty three years old, Peyton c was thirty three years old, Chris Jones 50 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:16.639 is thirty three years old, Montrez Harold is thirty, Shanano Wanawak who's twenty 51 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:22.240 seven, David Johnson is twenty three, and Nick Mayo is twenty six. 52 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:27.960 Those are the seven guys who played the most minutes, and the average age 53 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.400 of those guys is twenty nine. That's not young. I'm sorry, that's 54 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.599 not old, but it might be old for this event, I'm not sure. 55 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:39.400 Like they play Sideline Cancer tonight, and you know one of their guys 56 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:43.120 on this team, Jack Golkie, who just lit up Kentucky in East A 57 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.479 tournament for Oakland. I mean, he was an old dude in college. 58 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:47.680 But he's younger than these guys, which, by the way, what if 59 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:52.319 Jack Golkie was like Tresa's age. I mean, that's not realistic, but 60 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:54.759 like we look up his stage, I bet he's twenty three. I'm gonna 61 00:03:54.759 --> 00:04:00.800 guess you have a guess that sounds on the money to me. He's twenty 62 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.439 four. He'll be twenty five in December, so I mean he's he's older 63 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:10.039 than David David Johnson hasn't played in college in three years. So you know, 64 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:14.719 now I'm interested to look up their roster. I'm looking at the roster 65 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.120 I've gotten in front of me. I'm trying to see how many of these 66 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.120 names I recognize. See here you mentioned Chris Coffee. They have him. 67 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:25.120 Oh yeah, you mentioned him a couple of days ago. Seneca High School 68 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.920 grad was a National Player of the Year at the NAI level and then has 69 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.160 had a great career since he's been a pro. And he's I mean, 70 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:38.079 he had a big, big, monster dunk and he may have another one 71 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.160 to the night because that's what he does. Man. He can run and 72 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:46.160 he can throw it down, so's I would imagine he's probably well, I'll 73 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.360 put it this way, he's somebody that I know has played professional like there's 74 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:51.279 no off year for him since he got done playing college basketball. He's been 75 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:55.680 in great shape playing pro ball, you know, since he left Georgetown College, 76 00:04:55.680 --> 00:05:00.639 which I believe was in two thousand and twenty. So get age age 77 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.399 is something that you know, it matters to an extent, But I think 78 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:06.160 more than anything is if you have a bunch of dudes who like, for 79 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:11.639 example, you look at I didn't even see the stat line for for who 80 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.079 you know who led them in scoring. In fact, maybe we can look 81 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:16.560 that up a little bit later on. But like, they've got a guy 82 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:21.000 named Keith Braxton here it says the last team he played for was was in 83 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:28.120 Sweden. They've also got a guy by the name of Eric Thompson who played 84 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.800 in Japan most recently. Well he's six' eight and he's a big guy. 85 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.199 So you know they say last team, Well, your last team could 86 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:38.160 be four years ago, you know what I'm saying, Like your last like 87 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:42.360 Peyton Steeva hasn't played professionally in a few years, so his last team might 88 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:45.399 be a pro team. But if you know, he hasn't played and Peyton, 89 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:46.639 Peyton stays in great shape. He looks the same as he did when 90 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.160 he was playing here. But you know, he's got some miles on him. 91 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:54.199 I mean, that's just he's a guy that has played a lot of 92 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.560 basketball and it's no longer part of his everyday life. Like you know, 93 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.720 basketball is a part of his life. But he's coaching now and he's running 94 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:02.639 his own gym, Like he's not out there training every day because he's about 95 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:04.360 to go trout out. I mean he could if he wanted. Peyton could 96 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:09.519 still be playing professionally if he wanted to. So again, I don't want 97 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:13.079 to call these guys old, but you know, Bellerman, I give him 98 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.839 a lot of credit. They came out and those dudes, honestly, some 99 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.279 of them are young, younger, I should say. But then there's other 100 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:23.199 dudes like, you know, Jeremy Kendall, who's my age, thirty five, 101 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.519 thirty six, Probably Bradon Hobbs hasn't played in a long time, and 102 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.439 those guys were you know, they put together a phenomenal performance. I mean, 103 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.839 Scott Davenport should be proud of all of his former players. I know. 104 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:39.279 I think it's one of the assistants or former assistants for Bellerman was coaching 105 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.199 him and he seemed to do a great job. So I think what happened 106 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.199 in that game, because I've had a few people already on the text line, 107 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.399 I love this, by the way, because we've got reaction from listeners, 108 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:48.360 is if we're talking about like an actual conference game tonight where there's a 109 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:53.920 lot on the line. But I think Bellerman wisely knew, Hey, if 110 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:57.519 we're going to have a chance, we need to have this game played in 111 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.040 the half court setting as much as possible. We have to certainly pick and 112 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.879 choose when we're going to take a chance to get an easy bucket in transition, 113 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:08.519 because if it gets into where we're running the floor, even if these 114 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.680 guys aren't in great shape, there's a good chance Montrez Harrald could get loose 115 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:14.800 for a bunch of dunks. You know, David Johnson is still young, 116 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:16.959 he's coming off an injury, but David is somebody they probably wouldn't want to 117 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:20.399 run with. And they got to knock down threes and they did that. 118 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:24.240 I mean, they were seven of thirteen from three in the first half and 119 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:27.240 that's why they were able to go into the half with the lead. And 120 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:31.800 it took you know, Louisville really had to claw back and find a way 121 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:34.000 to win, and they did exactly that. I love the elam ending, 122 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:41.160 by the way. I know we'll never see the game utilize that way. 123 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:46.639 We'll never see that utilized in basketball that we you know, consume during the 124 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:48.959 college game and the NBA and all that. But like it's just it's entertaining, 125 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:54.480 it really is. It's usually when there's something that's so different compared to 126 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.560 what you're used to. Even if it is kind of interesting and cool, 127 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:01.680 people are weirded out by it. I'm not Maybe it's because this is at 128 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.680 the TBT and it's not something they're giving us in college basketball or in the 129 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.879 NBA or even high school for that matter. But I think it's a really 130 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.040 as far as just consuming the sport of basketball the product itself. I actually 131 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.800 find it to be more entertaining than when the clock's just going to strike zero. 132 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.120 So you know when it gets late, like you got to still make 133 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.120 buckets to go win. You got to hit a clutch shot to give yourself 134 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:28.000 to hit that elam ending total, and that takes some guts, It takes 135 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.519 some clutch ability. Now the pressure is not there's not as much pressure whenever 136 00:08:31.559 --> 00:08:35.919 you're two points away from that number and your opponent's twenty points away, and 137 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:41.639 sometimes it it does break down like that. But I thought Bellerman did a 138 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.240 great job, and I think this Louisville team is well aware that they're going 139 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.759 to have to play a lot better tonight if they want to win. And 140 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:54.120 Russ was in foul trouble in the second half and he really wasn't able to. 141 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.120 I mean, he still played a good amount of minutes, but he 142 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:00.279 picked up his third and fourth foul with I think a lot of time in 143 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.519 the third quarter. So you know, this is a good text that comes 144 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:07.879 in here, and we're talking TVT of course at is Coffee and Company, 145 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:09.159 we are feel about Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety. But let's go 146 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.559 to the text line five two six five three zero seven ninety that is the 147 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.639 L and N Federal Credit Union tax line. This text says Nick when it 148 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.399 comes to awkwardness, the only thing awkward for me is when I find myself 149 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:26.080 wanting Rees Gains to put Louisville players on the bench and play the two dudes 150 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:28.759 who did not play at Louisville because they seem to be in better shape. 151 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.480 Yeah, I mean, I don't know about better shape, but no doubt 152 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.480 about it. Nick Mayo is an asset. That guy is a weapon. 153 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.840 He was a he was a good addition last year and really helped. And 154 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.440 you know, his numbers weren't great the other night, but he's a big 155 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.360 physical presence and he still plays at a high level professionally. And then the 156 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.559 other player who as far as like who you would want to come in. 157 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.600 And I mean when you look at the roster, I mean I can't think 158 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.039 of anybody. I mean, there's obviously gay Omar Pruett, who I mean, 159 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.639 he only played three minutes, so I'm not sure if you know, 160 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:03.879 I don't know why that was the case. But everybody else on the Louisville 161 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.519 team is as far as guys who were playing a lot of minutes, it's 162 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.320 Louisville guys. I mean, the only two guys on this team. Actually 163 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:15.440 there's a third one but he didn't play at all. But you've got Omar 164 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:20.240 Pruett, Nick Mayo, and the third one I already forgot his name. 165 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.639 He's the guy who played at Nebraska most recently. But it is kind of 166 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.120 funny to see it play out that way because on Indiana I mentioned John mentioned 167 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:31.399 earlier Yogi Ferrell had himself a really good night when they played their first game, 168 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.720 But it was guys from Oklahoma, Miami and LSU last night that I 169 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.039 think led the way for him. Doolittle from Oklahoma had fourteen points, Julian 170 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:45.200 Gamble had a double double eleven and eleven, and then Keith hornsby former LS 171 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.320 shoe guard I think he had like twelve or something. So look when it 172 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.440 comes to this, like, I'm not worried whenever you've got guys out there 173 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.159 that are that are getting minutes that aren't guys who played at Louisville, I 174 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.480 mean, I don't care. Like Nick Mayo is an honorary member of Louisville. 175 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:00.519 Now, I mean, I don't know if he knows that, and 176 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.039 I'm not sure if he cares. I don't know what he can do with 177 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.000 that. But he helped him last year, and he certainly helped him, 178 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:09.720 helped him the other night. And even for Kentucky. I mean I don't 179 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.279 know how many points he ended up with, but you know, Kentucky, 180 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.639 I mean, Eric Bledsoe has been great, and I know he had himself 181 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.120 a heck of a day yesterday or maybe it was the first game they played, 182 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.480 but it was in his cantor's little brother who ended up having Like you 183 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:30.000 know, I think he scored like nearly thirty points the other day in the 184 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.320 in their TVT game. I think it was yesterday. Yeah, I mean 185 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.799 I do. Maybe I'm exaggerating with thirty points, but Karim Canter is his 186 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:41.399 name, and he played. I think he initially started his career somewhere. 187 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:43.559 I don't know where he started his career, but he actually finished his career 188 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:48.399 at Xavier playing for Chris Mack. But yeah, he ended up let's see 189 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.799 here, how many points did he end up having. Yeah, he lit 190 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.360 all scorers with twenty six points, ten of twelve from the floor, two 191 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:56.320 of two of from deep. So again, he's not a Kentucky player, 192 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.519 but hey, I get it. If you're a Kentucky fan and you're you 193 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.879 know you're going to give him the honorary you know he's going to be a 194 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.440 part of the family. He's an honorary wildcat, I suppose. All right. 195 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.240 So we've talked also a little bit today about the ACC media days that 196 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:18.039 are currently currently going on in Charlotte, and now that I'm reading more from 197 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.279 those who are there covering it and those that are kind of emphasizing and highlighting 198 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.519 some of the things that Jim Phillips is saying, it makes me wish that, 199 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.360 you know, even more so, that we did get a chance to 200 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.240 hear because I think he's saying some good things. Now again, it's these 201 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.879 are the kind of things you would expect your commissioner to have ready to discuss 202 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.720 because you know you're here. You're here to prop up the league, say 203 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.000 good things about the league, get people excited. Uh, you know, 204 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:46.120 the league's the league itself has to go out and do its part when it 205 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.759 comes to, you know, playing well in the non conference portion of the 206 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:50.840 schedule. But he does, and I'm sure he's got some numbers to back 207 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:56.000 this up, but he does say that the ACC's non conference schedule is the 208 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:01.200 toughest in college football. AC football has the toughest non conference schedule in the 209 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:07.360 country, twenty seven games against Power four opponents, including Notre Dame, nine 210 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.559 non conference games against teams ranked in the final The ACC is the conference of 211 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:18.120 quarterbacks. Thirteen enter the season with over twenty career touchdown passes and thirty five 212 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.519 hundred career passing yards. Eight quarterbacks are projected to start Week one in the 213 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:28.279 twenty twenty four NFL season. CC football has the nation's top returning passer and 214 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:33.840 receiver in yards per game from last year in cam Ward of Miami and Colin 215 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:39.919 Lacy Louisville, plus the second returning rusher in Omari and Hampton from North Carolina, 216 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.720 with Clemson and NC State representing the ACC. No conference has more than 217 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:48.919 two teams that can state that claim. So you know, I think you 218 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:54.720 have a living I don't know that's a positive. Few statements there put into 219 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.840 video form from the commission of the league. So I don't want to, 220 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.879 you know, crap on it, but I think when you mention the amount 221 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:05.240 of team. First of all, the league has never done very well in 222 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:09.840 non conference games, which is why they don't get the benefit of the doubt 223 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:11.840 when they beat up on each other because you've I mean, for example, 224 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.279 Pittsburgh when the year they won the ACC, remember when can you Pikett was 225 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.720 there, they also lost to like a mid level MAC team that year. 226 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.279 Like, those kind of things matter because your league does not get the benefit 227 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.399 of the doubt, nor does it deserve the benefit of the doubt when you 228 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.000 beat up on each other. But yeah, when you played other teams from 229 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.200 other leagues, you were lousy, and the accs had issues with that in 230 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:35.600 recent years. So it's nice to hear that they have all these challenging non 231 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.639 conference games, but I want to see them go out and actually, you 232 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.519 know, win some of them. Also, when you have a contractual obligation 233 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.919 or I'm sorry when Notre Dame has a contractual obligation to play a certain amount 234 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.600 of teams from your league every year. Can you still throw them into that 235 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.600 whole thing, like we play more, we play more power forward teams and 236 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.200 Notre Dame included than well, it's because they're kind of in your league, 237 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:03.919 you know what I mean? Like, I don't know, I trust me. 238 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:11.039 The SEC's non conference schedule, more often than not, is atrocious and 239 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:15.159 they get away with it, and sometimes they deserve the benefit of the doubt. 240 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.159 But as we discussed last year, the SEC's record in non conference games 241 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:24.240 against other Power five opponents was bad, and you know, I think that 242 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:28.399 stuff matters, and the Big Ten, I'm not sure. I mean last 243 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:33.320 year, Michigan right that they had the I think Michigan might have had in 244 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.960 the country, So you know, they don't They also shouldn't get the benefit 245 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:39.279 of the doubt when they beat up on each other a little. Michigan proved 246 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.399 who they were. They went on to win the national championship, but they 247 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.519 played non league games, So I think that that, you know, I 248 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:46.960 give them a little bit of a little bit of a break there because the 249 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.759 SEC, they don't schedule anybody out of conference and they only play a games. 250 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.279 And here's the other thing with the SEC that's always bothered me. They 251 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.039 have that extra non conference game, right, it's always sad in which right 252 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.000 at the end of their schedule, usually against an FCS opponent, that's kind 253 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:07.399 of like their break week before they really get into like the last part of 254 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:11.919 the season. It's always seemed like a blame and it's I mean, it's 255 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.639 also like it's like a it's like a vibe killer, it's a party foul. 256 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.480 Nobody wants to watch those games on TV that late in the season. 257 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.480 Yeah, like you're you're in the thick of things right, like you're playing 258 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:25.759 you know, you're about to gear up for your rivalry game. There could 259 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.320 still be some implication there in regards to who gets into the conference championship game, 260 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.840 Like there could be I mean again, you're especially now that you're gonna 261 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.679 have a twelve team playoff, so like there's a lot of spots that are 262 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.440 still up for grabs, probably when you get that late in the season. 263 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.519 And then we got Alabama play in the Citadel, like what are we doing 264 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.759 here? And then you know you got Auburn bringing in Butthole Tech I mean, 265 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:53.879 it'sole Tech. Somebody said buttle Tech to me at the game Saturday. 266 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.960 Oh did they Yeah, they asked me if butthole Tech had an alumni team, 267 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.399 and it took me a while to realize what they were talking about, 268 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.519 which I thought was a pretty good line, but it also was you know, 269 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.759 it kind of kind of caught me off guard. So I was like, 270 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.359 wait a second, butthole Tech butthole Tech, Like, I know he's 271 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.839 sang butthole Tech because it's not a real school, and it's something I said. 272 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.759 And then I remember that I was just trying to randomly think of, 273 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.759 you know, no name schools, and butthole Tech came up the other day. 274 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.119 Was it butthole Tech or butthole State? It was butthole Tech, And 275 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.759 we said the head coach was the guy who had shown me your butthole on 276 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:29.720 it that's right, full hole. Yeah. Yeah, probably probably said butthhole 277 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.079 a lot in the last couple of shows, more so than we ever have. 278 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:36.519 So you know, that just speaks to our immaturity and our childish sense 279 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:40.960 of humor. And uh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I've I've put 280 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:42.400 you into this mess, John, because you you know I've rubbed off on 281 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.440 you. I've been a bad I've been a bad influence, a big buttthole 282 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.160 Tech fan. Huh big, big time. Yeah, what are their what 283 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:55.400 their what's their mascot? Oh man, maybe we could we should use AI 284 00:17:55.640 --> 00:18:00.000 and like try to determine what butthole Tech's mascot would be, because there's a 285 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.960 lot of creative AI tools out there that can you know, they can work 286 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:04.960 some magic for us. So again, real quick before we take our next 287 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.920 break, when it comes to just the big talking points, at least as 288 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.519 of right now at the ACC kickoff, it's the fact that Florida State and 289 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:17.359 Clemson have not notified the ACC and don't expect to notify the ACC in the 290 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:21.799 next month or so that they're leaving, which again I guess that's that's a 291 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:23.960 piece of news considering they're trying to leave and they're final filing a lawsuit so 292 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.160 they can get out of the league at least get out of the grand of 293 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.400 Rights. But they do not intend to do that, which they would have 294 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.400 to do that if they did not plan on being in the league in twenty 295 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:34.599 five and twenty six. So for the next you know, for the upcoming 296 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.839 season. In the following season, those two schools will still be members of 297 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.960 the league, And as far as what happens legally, you know, we'll 298 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.680 we'll see. I mean, Phillips did say that they'll fight as long as 299 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:51.640 they can in court to protect the league. So I don't think they're going 300 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:56.200 to cave, and they shouldn't and they shouldn't settle. I mean, I'm 301 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.359 a little surprised at this point that you have these lawsuits going on and without 302 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:07.440 somebody you know involved on the legal side for these schools, or somebody you 303 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.359 know that maybe maybe a school president or something, maybe even an athletic director 304 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:17.880 that like has the cooler head and says, look, we will fight like 305 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:21.720 hell to get out, but right now, like we don't really have there's 306 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:23.720 no exit strategy, Like we don't like, we're just going to go to 307 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.960 court and pay a ton of money and hopes that somebody says that they're not 308 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:33.559 allowed to hold us to this agreement that we clearly signed and we clearly knew 309 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.839 what it was, and we also I mean, this is what's crazy, 310 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:44.519 is that it props to the ACC's legal team. But whenever they countersued or 311 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:45.920 I guess. I mean, maybe it wasn't actually a counter suit. Maybe 312 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.440 it was just like a response to the lawsuit. I'm not sure. Although 313 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:53.160 the league issuing those two schools, but I don't know where this specific where 314 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:59.480 this specific thing happened. But when they responded, they brought up the quotes 315 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:04.559 that were really used in press releases from the athletic director of Clemson and the 316 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:10.759 athletic director at the time of Florida State, who talked about how this agreement 317 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:15.480 that you know is in place till twenty thirty six is good for the league 318 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.920 because it keeps everybody together and keeps everybody from being able to I'm paraphrasing. 319 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:21.960 I don't know what the exact quote was, but like that to me, 320 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.720 in is your case, Like you can't claim that they're like the agreement and 321 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:27.400 the terms are unfair. Whenever you knew it, when you signed it, 322 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:32.839 and you talked about how great it was, Like it's a waste of time 323 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:33.920 and it's a bad look for the league. There's no way around that. 324 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:38.559 All right, let's get to our first break here in the four o'clock I 325 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.480 will keep the keep the party rolling along in his game day, and I 326 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.440 haven't even looked at ticket availability. I don't know what kind of crowd you 327 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.799 expect to night on a Monday at seven o'clock, but hopefully there's a great 328 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:56.119 crowd there because they're gonna need it. Theville versus Sideline Cancer. Hopefully Jack 329 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.759 Goldkie is not on fire tonight from three. I'm already I'm already kind of 330 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.839 worried about that. All right, it's coffee and Company. We're feel about 331 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.519 Thorton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. It's right coffee and Company. 332 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.480 Fuel about Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety. 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I think 359 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:47.559 it's the saltiness probably, But so you have that personal stash in there now, 360 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:52.440 right. Yeah. So I talked about how there was no there was 361 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:55.000 no more cheese. It's in there. And they've got all the other great 362 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.640 chips, right, I mean, they've got Dorito's both different flavor, you 363 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.240 know, the cool Ranch and the notch show. They've I mean, they've 364 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:04.519 got laze barbecues. Yeah, I mean they've got it all. But the 365 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:08.079 cheese. It's that at one point were just the only thing left that nobody 366 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.359 seemingly wanted. I started eating them, and I realized how much I like 367 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.599 them, and then now they don't provide them. Well, somebody overheard me 368 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.359 mentioning that, and they took care of me. I'm not going to out 369 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:26.000 who it was, but you know it's appreciated. Yeah, their Christmas card 370 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.440 will be a little little better this year round, this time around for them 371 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.400 because they really looked out for me. They've got my own stash. So 372 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:36.319 there's cheese. It's there somewhere. They're hiding them from people didn't know that, 373 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:38.160 but I guess it's because they know that I'm the one that wants to 374 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:41.799 cheese its and they're not going to take any chances on anybody else getting their 375 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.240 hands on them. In fact, it would have been really unusual for it 376 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:47.799 to be the only thing left, right, the one thing nobody here would 377 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:51.640 actually eat in the snack area to then everybody just wanting them. And it's 378 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:53.599 it's not that wasn't the case. It was just that they you know, 379 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.160 they're hiding them for me, and I appreciate that, I really do. 380 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:00.319 All right, So let's go to the text on five O two six three 381 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.400 zero seven ninety. It's the Ellen n Federal Credit Union tax Line. Members 382 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:06.160 get more at Ellenn Federal Credit Union. You can learn more and open your 383 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:11.039 account today at LNFCU dot com. It's Texas, Nick. I know who 384 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.000 the first person we need to call and get into next year's TVT team with 385 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.440 Louisville got to be Carli Jones. Yes, I mean, I don't know 386 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.240 if he'll play, but man, that would be great. So how about 387 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:26.359 Carlague Jones over the weekend. My guy went out there and put up a 388 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.400 triple double against Team US say, something that has never been done before, 389 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:36.160 and it should have been a victory for him. I can't say that I'm 390 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:41.359 disappointed that that TEAMUS say one, because you know, I want them to 391 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.720 win, right, I'm an American. But the story of this South sud 392 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:52.400 ann squad and really just all that's gone into making basketball such a more accessible 393 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.559 thing for kids in that country that you know, want to play sports, 394 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:02.519 including basketball, like it is an awesome story. I mean when Leuel Ding 395 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.759 really and of course I'm sure those of you who know a little bit about 396 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.400 basketball are familiar with Lowell Ding. He was a great player. Duke went 397 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.599 on to have a great career in the NBA. Played from two thousand and 398 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.480 four to twenty and nineteen, so again had a heck of a run in 399 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:23.079 the NBA. He is from South Sudan and at the time that he was 400 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:26.039 apparently, you know, going to retire, and I'm sure he did a 401 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.519 lot of stuff for his country and you know, and children who wanted to 402 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.000 play basketball. I'm sure it's not something he only started doing once. He 403 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:37.240 retired, but once he really did make it a priority. Whenever that was 404 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:44.440 there were no indoor courts in that country. The only basketball you could play 405 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.680 with like a legitimate court was outside. I mean, that's crazy to think 406 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:53.799 about that. A group of young men from the South Sudan just took it 407 00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.440 to Team USA and they should have won. I mean, let's be real, 408 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.519 they should have won. So Carl Jones. I still don't know the 409 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.920 specifics as to how he ended up with the team because I know car Leak. 410 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.119 I mean, it could just be I mean, it could just be 411 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.480 his, you know his, it could be he had he has family that 412 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.680 is originally from there. I'm not sure, but his nationality is both America 413 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.640 and South Sudanese. But he was born in Cincinnati, and I just wasn't 414 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.279 aware of his background. But uh, he's played for them now for I 415 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.920 think the last couple of years, and he was great in that game. 416 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:27.920 I mean again, a triple double. That's not something you see very often. 417 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:30.680 I mean, in fact, you don't ever see. It's never happened 418 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:37.000 before. So this will certainly get him some more attention when it comes to, 419 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.240 you know, getting on a training camp roster. But yeah, eleven 420 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.480 points, ten rebounds, ten assists, and just I mean, he's such 421 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.920 a good player. Man, He's such a good player. And when it 422 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:56.079 comes to really good players for Louisville that people just forget about. That's like 423 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.240 a it's like a random thing I'll throw at like people on Twitter, or 424 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.000 throw at listeners of the show just to kind of have a conversation. And 425 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:07.200 usually I'll do it knowing like what mine are and just to see what other 426 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:08.839 people say and to see if anybody else is throwing out there that maybe I'm 427 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.279 not thinking of. But car Leak's the one even I forget about because it's 428 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:18.480 such a forgettable era of Louisville basketball. And some of it's because, you 429 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.359 know, they weren't. I mean, that season was just weird. It 430 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.200 just was. I mean it's the season, you know, in between the 431 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.119 year where COVID ended the tournament for everybody, I mean ended college basketball that 432 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:36.160 year for everybody, and then the next year Mac left, you know, 433 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.119 halfway through the season, and in between there they played, I mean, 434 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:44.240 they played fewer games than just about anybody in the country because of their COVID 435 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.400 stoppages. They weren't really good, So trust me like, even if they 436 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:51.720 wouldn't have had a lot of stoppages and they still would have been able to 437 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:56.319 play some teams they missed out on playing, they probably would have made the 438 00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.319 tournament. Considering it was the bid Steelers at the end that kept them out. 439 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.119 They still weren't a team that had a high ceiling. They just weren't 440 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:03.960 great, but they were good enough to make the tournament. And if that's 441 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.680 the case, you know, who knows what happens. But Carling Jones was 442 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:14.240 phenomenal. Him not being acc Player of the Year is I mean, it's 443 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.799 again, it's a forgotten year that people just kind of rant like don't care 444 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:22.480 about. And I get it because it was a weird year. You played 445 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:23.960 in front of no one. You never knew at any moment if games were 446 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:27.920 gonna actually happen or not because of COVID cancelations. It was just awkward. 447 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.839 And that's why whenever we were locked in for however long we were for the 448 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:37.480 pandemic, right, and when sports did come back, I thought that interest 449 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.480 you know, initially, without knowing I just thought, oh, yeah, 450 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:44.519 interest level and viewership's going to be through the roof, because what else have 451 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:45.839 we had to do. We've been starving for this, and in fact, 452 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.960 it wasn't like viewership was way down. You know why because outside of the 453 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.960 diehards, it was awkward. It was weird. There was nobody there at 454 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.880 games, like it just wasn't normal. So, you know, I I 455 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.720 get wide, it just doesn't get talked about a lot. But you I 456 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.160 mean, can people even remember who won ACC Player of the Year in two 457 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:08.200 thousand in one because I had to look it up. I mean I was 458 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:12.200 drawing a blank because I remember some dudes who were playing in the ACC at 459 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:17.319 that time, but I just, you know, I knew that they didn't 460 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:22.839 have great years and ended up being Moses Right from Georgia Tech, who did 461 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:29.680 have a good senior season at Georgia Tech. He ended up averaging let's see, 462 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.680 seventeen and eight. I mean, he was good. Let's be real. 463 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:34.319 He was a good player, but he wasn't better than Car League. 464 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.640 And I just wish Carl League would have won it because the a SEC Player 465 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.000 of the Year award would have been something that would have gotten probably a little 466 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.079 more tension heading into the draft. And you know, I love Carl League's 467 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:51.440 game. Man, He's undersized, compared to most. He's not super athletic, 468 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.279 he's not super quick. He actually has a good jump shot as far 469 00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:00.799 as the percentage rate he makes it, but it's fun a from like a 470 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.319 clean quick release. It doesn't look like a great shot, but man, 471 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:10.640 he can just play. He's so good. So at Louisville, his numbers, 472 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.000 trying to see what his what his stats were, of course it's not 473 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.039 showing me here, but I mean, he was he was really really good, 474 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:23.759 and the fact that he's just a forgotten player is kind of unfortunate because 475 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.720 he was, he was good. I wish you'd have played here more than 476 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.160 just one year. And will he ever play for the TVT, I don't 477 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:30.920 know. I mean I would hope that would be great if he ever did 478 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.720 this, if he's ever like, if he's ever you know, able to 479 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.519 play because he's not playing for the South Sudan or maybe he's not on an 480 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.920 NBA roster or something like that, that would be great to get him to 481 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.119 come back and play. And you know, you got to wonder, you 482 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.160 know, how often do you think Carleage, I mean, Carleague's connections to 483 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.200 Louisville were what's here for one year? Everybody that was around when he was 484 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.480 here is not here anymore. So you know, I don't want to I 485 00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.039 have no clue how he feels about Louisville. I have no reason to think 486 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:00.640 he has anything to get to say about his experience in the LEISL. But 487 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:04.079 he was only here for a season. You know, it wasn't it wasn't 488 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.880 a very good season. And you know, the coach that he is still 489 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.319 close to to this day is no longer here anymore either, so you know, 490 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.839 And but to be honest with you, I wouldn't be shocked if he's 491 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:19.720 in the NBA and is not somebody that can even play in this TVT event 492 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.440 for the next couple of years. And maybe I'm overreacting to one random game, 493 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.240 you know, basically a warm up game before the Olympics start. But 494 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:33.880 according to let's see here, according to one of the FOEBA, the FEBA 495 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:40.319 basketball reporters, those who cover basketball internationally, right after he ended up putting 496 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:45.400 up that performance, that triple double against TVSA, he received calls from Phoenix, 497 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.319 Chicago, Toronto, and Miami. So certainly I think he could turn 498 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:55.400 this into a a chance to get a training camp invitation. You know, 499 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.799 training camp try out essentially, but once you get once you get there, 500 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.880 it's just really tough to make the team because at that point, like if 501 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:08.480 you're somebody that the only thing in writing that that team has guaranteed you is 502 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:14.240 a chance to participate in training camp, what that usually means is they're gonna 503 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:20.000 have to cut somebody they already have signed, and certainly nearly anybody who signed 504 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.559 anything in the NBA that's an actual contract, not a training game invite. 505 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:28.319 There's guaranteed money tied to that, So they'd have to cut somebody eat the 506 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.279 costs to keep you. But maybe they do that because again, I think 507 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.880 car Leak could put up big numbers in the G League like he has. 508 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.839 I think car Leak can you know, get some minutes randomly in an NBA 509 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:45.079 game when he gets called up, which he's done. He could ball out 510 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.279 in the summer league. They can look at his you know, credentials, 511 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:52.519 his stats in college, but because of his frame and just you know, 512 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:57.119 it's not like he can do something physically that nobody else can do. I 513 00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.960 think it's just easy for a team to think he's one of those DAMA does 514 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:01.319 and guys and just and realize, Hey, you know, we don't need 515 00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:05.079 we don't need this. But I think when you have that in your back 516 00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.119 pocket, what you just did against Team USA in a game where you know, 517 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.240 you were the point guard running the show for a team that was clearly 518 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.599 better than Team USA for nearly every second of that game until the one second 519 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.799 when it mattered. Like, that's not something they're just gonna quickly overlook. 520 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.839 So again, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here, but I would imagine 521 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.799 he'll get an opportunity and take and he'll make the most of it. Now, 522 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:29.160 one thing I do worry about when it comes to the NBA with him 523 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.799 is that I don't even know if he would take a two way because you 524 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:37.160 know, car League has got to be twenty four and look it up, 525 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:43.839 which he's not old, but you know he's to the point now where is 526 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.759 he going to keep doing the two way? Because you look, when you're 527 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:47.799 when you're on a two way, Carleigu's twenty six, by the way, 528 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.720 So if you're on a two way contract in the NBA, I think most 529 00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:57.079 people, I think most people know what that is. But it's a contract 530 00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:01.400 that stipulates that your salary is depending on upon which league you're playing in. 531 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:06.799 So if you're on a two way contract, you know, when you're in 532 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.800 the G League, you're making you know, G League money, but when 533 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:15.280 you're called up you are making like NBA salary money, which even if it's 534 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:16.599 league minimum, is a lot more money than you're getting in the G League. 535 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.639 But the contract states that when you're on that two way, you know 536 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.360 you're gonna be with the team at least for some of the opportunities to where 537 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.320 and I don't know what you can cap out in LIKEX, let me see 538 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.800 if I can get a quick Yeah, average salary for an NBA two A 539 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:37.679 contract, Yeah, it says salary for two way contracts increase from an initial 540 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:44.320 eighty one thousand, nine hundred and ninety five minimum to an overall salary worth 541 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:49.840 up to let's say here, let's see, I'm trying to it's from the 542 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.920 twenty twenty one to twenty twenty twenty twenty to twenty one season, the amount 543 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:59.559 of two way player contracts increased. So, yeah, it just ranges. 544 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.679 So for a good chunk of the year, you're going to be making about 545 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.079 eighty two thousand. But then when you're in the NBA. You could be 546 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.239 making up to five hundred You know that your salary at least it's pro rated 547 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.039 obviously, So long story short, what I'm getting at is, I don't 548 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.199 know if carweek Carleak would want to play on a two way contract, meaning 549 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:20.719 like that's still good money, but he could probably make triple that on a 550 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.960 really good contract in China or in Russia or in Turkey. Now, I 551 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.159 think, you know, you've got to consider the pros and the cons, 552 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.119 and being on a two way means that you are working with an NBA team 553 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.199 like that you are under contract. You are an employee of the NBA, 554 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.320 of an NBA franchise. But that's just not as big enough a commitment when 555 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.199 you're on the two way than when you're on their actual roster. And look, 556 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.920 that's what a lot of these guys have to do. They got to 557 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.039 decide, Okay, do I want to keep chasing the NBA dream and just 558 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.519 do whatever I got to do to be attached to a team, whether it 559 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.920 be in the G League on a two way or whatever it is, or 560 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:57.159 do I have the ability to just understand that the NBA was not for you 561 00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.559 know, it wasn't wasn't something that worked out for me. Timing wasn't there, 562 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.159 opportunities were never there, and I never made it in the NBA. 563 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.880 But you know what, I'm twenty six now and I still have probably five 564 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.880 six years that I can play the game at a really high level and make 565 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.480 a lot of money. And in that window of time, my best way 566 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:22.039 to really, you know, stack up money for life after basketball is to 567 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.280 basically go wherever, whatever country can pay me the most. And that's what 568 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:28.039 a lot of these guys do. And I you know, that's why when 569 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.519 you do see somebody that does stick around long enough and they do get a 570 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.599 chance, it's great. But I don't blame anybody who realizes, Look, 571 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.480 hey I've been out of college for four years. I ain't got in the 572 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.920 NBA yet. I don't know if it's gonna happen. So you know, 573 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.480 I'll go to Turkey, I'll go to China, I'll go to Russia, 574 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:46.079 I'll go wherever. And I'm sure that that time sucks, but hey, 575 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.079 you're still getting paid to play the game you love. And again the money's 576 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.800 not so bad either, depending on where you end up. All right, 577 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.119 quick break will come back on the other side wrap up at four o'clock hour, 578 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.000 it's coffee and Company. Philbeth Thorton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. 579 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:06.320 Summer is usually whenever I get in a lot of streaming, meaning like 580 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:08.480 watching. I mean, it's like watching TV. It's just you know, 581 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:14.320 I call it streaming because the majority of like shows that i'll binge or documentaries 582 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:19.239 I'll get into are on one of those platforms like HBO which is now just 583 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.840 called Max, but also Netflix, Hulu, that kind of stuff. So 584 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:28.960 in fact, my wife and I are we're we're locked in, all in 585 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.519 on Presumed Innocent, which is that Jake Gillenhall show that's on Apple TV. 586 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.440 It's so good. I hate that they do it a week episode at a 587 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.079 time, but you know, it's now gotten me back into, you know, 588 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.920 the old days. It feels like, you know, thirty years ago, 589 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.639 when it really wasn't schedule time to watch you just know like, hey, 590 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.239 you know you gotta wait, like you know, there's no closure, 591 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.400 Like you can't just decide, hey, this is so good, I got 592 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.039 time. I'm gonna finish it. You know, we've we've now had because 593 00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:58.480 we got in a little bit late. I think there were four episodes that 594 00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.960 we could that we could binge, and I think we did that in one 595 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.480 one evening, which we were up way later than we usually are, but 596 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:06.280 that's how good it is. And then it got to where we're we're each 597 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.840 week and now we're waiting like crazy for Wednesday whenever they give us the finale. 598 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.840 So it's really good. And I also started a show that's been out 599 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:15.840 for a long time. In fact, it's been over for a while, 600 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:17.960 but it's called Banshee. I think it was on I think it was on 601 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.599 Cinemax and Cinemax of course, I don't know if it dissolved, but it's 602 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.320 now one of the available shows to watch on HBO Max and it's you know, 603 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.440 I've never even heard of it, but it's right up my alley. 604 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:35.000 And I'm always I mean, I if a documentary comes out and it's got 605 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.079 a lot of buzz behind it, or if it just shows is one of 606 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.480 like the featured things that's on my on my screen. As soon as I 607 00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:44.119 open up one of those apps, I'm usually going to watch those. And 608 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:51.039 I cannot wait until August the twenty seventh, when Netflix releases Sign Stealer. 609 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:57.280 It'll be part of the Untold documentary series and it's on Connor Stallions, the 610 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.000 Michigan man who you know was I mean, he was a science stealer. 611 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:07.400 And I'm so curious as to what because we don't have a trailer or anything 612 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.119 just yet. And this could be a lot of different things because if you 613 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:16.440 remember, whenever we found out they were doing a three or four part feature 614 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:22.000 within the Untold series on the tebou era at Florida with Urban Meyer, and 615 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.920 you know, I mean just think about all of the stories we thought we'd 616 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.760 get, like the behind the scenes stuff in regards to Gronk and Aaron Hernandez 617 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.840 and t Bow and Pouncy. I mean like that it was. It's really 618 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.000 unbelievable to think about that era at Florida. I mean they were, you 619 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.920 know, they were great, but you know a lot of those guys had 620 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.480 I mean, in a random fact, it just gets kind of, you 621 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.280 know, left out when you discuss that era is that Cam Newton was a 622 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.800 freshman quarterback on that team that got in trouble for stealing a laptop and had 623 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.960 to go to Juco. So that I thought it was really well done on 624 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:59.039 one of the most dominant eras we'll ever see in college football. But it 625 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.480 didn't. I mean it barely even talked about Hernandez or anything like that. 626 00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:05.679 So you know, I still enjoyed it, but I understood whether it was 627 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.760 a lot of criticism. I think this Connor Stallion's documentary. I think there's 628 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:15.480 some expectation that he's going to tell us all and I don't think that's what 629 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:16.800 this is going to be at all. I would be willing to bet that 630 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:22.440 he plays koy and it's more of a story about the coverage of it, 631 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.480 because I mean, there's no way around it. They they cheated. I 632 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.440 mean they did. They went through levels of cheating that you know nobody else 633 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:36.559 is doing. They conspired, they put plans in motion to get an you 634 00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:38.480 know, to get a competitive advantage. And I think when you heard a 635 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:42.119 lot of coaches throughout the whole thing, you know, they didn't really want 636 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.039 to step in and talk about it. But others would say, yeah, 637 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.400 there's there's there's sun stealing. But you know they would also sometimes throw in, 638 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.079 but not to that level where you got somebody on payroll that's out here, 639 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.960 you know, using money given to him from somebody we don't know where 640 00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:59.960 it's from. He's getting money from somewhere, we don't where it's from, 641 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.480 probably from Michigan to go and you know, buy tickets and sign steel and 642 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.960 it it's not I mean, I still give Michigan a lot of credit even 643 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.440 without that. They were a good team and they were always good under Harball. 644 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.039 But like you, it doesn't prove anything. But it can't be a 645 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.519 coincidence that around the time that they leaned on my man Connor Stallions is the 646 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.679 time that he got over the hump, meaning Harball, Like he started beating 647 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:30.320 Ohio State that hadn't happened before Connor Stallions. They won a national championship that 648 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.679 hadn't happened before Connor Stallions. Like it is a wild story, and I 649 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.400 don't it wouldn't be fair to say, like it didn't get coverage, but 650 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.719 like because just nothing was done about it, and there was never any expectation 651 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:44.480 of them like getting in trouble. I mean, I guess Harrball got what 652 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:49.079 a couple of games suspension or something. So I'm looking forward to it, 653 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.400 but I don't want to get my hopes up as far as expecting him to 654 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.840 like completely reveal all because I don't think that's gonna happen. All Right, 655 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.599 one more hour. I hope you guys stick with us. I hope that's 656 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.559 what happens. Well, finish strong here on a Monday afternoons off in company. 657 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:01.679 Phil but Thorton's on Sports Talk seven ninety