1 00:00:01,879 --> 00:00:06,799 Off of a weekend that has seen Gervonte Davis return and get a big KO 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,960 in the PBC on Amazon pay per view main event. It also saw David 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:17,039 Benavide's debut as a light heavyweight and get a victory an easy win, although 4 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:21,839 not a knockout in his light heavyweight debut. It is seen a shocker in 5 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:26,280 the one hundred and forty pound division as Suprio Mattias was beaten in his home 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,839 country of Puerto Rico and decisively. We're ready to recap all of this and 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,079 more. It's the Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast. Hello there, welcome back 8 00:00:34,119 --> 00:00:37,880 in I'm merely he's somewhat capable. Host TJ. Reeves. He is cross 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:45,079 country traveler Dan rayphiel our insider. Fight Freaks Unit is his substack. That's 10 00:00:45,119 --> 00:00:49,920 the tag name here on the podcast on the recappod Bigfight Weekend dot Com. 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,719 He was there in Vegas at the MGM gram for the one hundredth main event 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:00,560 Slash and Or pay per view in MGM Grand Garden Arena History. So uh, 13 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,640 you have traveled back at the time we're talking. Good to be with 14 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:06,680 you and good to be rolling in with the recap of the fights and some 15 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:11,799 news and some nostalgia. How is the flight everything good? Flight was fine, 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,000 she manute slight, but all good, no bombs. I was on 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,959 the same flight home back to Washington, d C. With Gary Antoine Russell 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,599 of course, who lost his uh uh in the world title interim world title 19 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:26,719 fight on the Undercart Saturday night, his brother Gary Junior, and their team. 20 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:29,120 I was already in my seat. They stopped, you know, as 21 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:30,319 they're waiting line and sitting there. See, we shoot the shit for a 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,719 minute or two. You know. I think, just in my brief encounter, 23 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,879 I think Gary Antoine's taking it hard. I mean it's somebody she knows, 24 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:40,920 he knows, damn well, he should have won. We'll get into 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,000 that when we get to that part of the show. But uh, that 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,879 was my my day, and this country travel was better to you this time 27 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:53,319 than trying to return from the Canelo Alvarez fight, which which you almost took 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,560 up permanent residency at the MGM Grand trying to get back back after the Alvarez 29 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,079 flight at the beginning, you know. So that's a great They changed the 30 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:04,599 time of the era of the of the flight schedule. I've been taking that 31 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,680 American flight from Vegas to Washington for I don't mean it's been the same basically 32 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:15,080 a schedule. I have fifteen years something like that, and it's always leads 33 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,599 somewhere between like two in the afternoon and four in the afternoon. They switched 34 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:20,879 into like ten thirty, which is fine because I got home earlier. But 35 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,960 I was freaking so tired because I barely stupped at all because I was so 36 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,360 busy for different reasons after the fight, doing a bunch of different things. 37 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,199 But anyway, I'm glad to be home, glad to be doing the pod. 38 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:32,120 Got to actually see my son before they went to bed, because we're 39 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,319 a b Two later, I I got home on Father's Day. So that 40 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,960 was it. So let's rock and roll. Let's do it again. Thank 41 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:46,599 you for finding us, however you have done so again. Follow Subscribe on 42 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,879 the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. You get us twice a week, previewing 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,039 going into the weekend, recapping coming off the weekend, Apple Spreaker, Spotify, 44 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:57,400 five star ratings, and reviews. Help us keep going. In June, 45 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:00,400 it's Father's Day. We're wrapping it up here on day so Father's Day. 46 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:04,199 Help us out from one dad to another. Rayfield and me and all 47 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,039 the dads that are out there and listening, help us out with that. 48 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:10,120 Okay, So without further delay, let's get right into what you saw last 49 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:16,400 night ringside MGM Grand Garden Arena with the main event. Gervonte Davis not unexpected 50 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:21,919 in the in the narrative of the fight, was not tremendously busy or active. 51 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,120 Frank the Ghost Martin was probably at least even if not winning the fight. 52 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:30,759 It seemed like as it went on and then not unexpectedly, the big 53 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,000 punch happened. It seemed like we kept talking about this on our preview pod 54 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:37,520 and the bet Us Show and Boom. So give me the give me the 55 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,639 Rayfield recap, including the Boom moment as it came about. Yeah, I 56 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:44,599 mean, I don't agree that Frank was winning the fight. I know a 57 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:46,520 lot of people thought he was ahead. It was close, though. The 58 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:50,360 all three judges had the fight at the time of the eighth round knockout sixty 59 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:54,879 seven to sixty six in favor of Tank. I haven't studied the scorecard close 60 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,479 enough to see if they all agreed how they got to that score. But 61 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,719 look, however, you had it, if you had Tank you know, 62 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,599 up by a point or two. If you had Frank Martin up by a 63 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:06,840 point or two, that's fine because there's you know, it is different strokes 64 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,240 for different folks. He was boxing very well, doing a lot of good 65 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,840 movement, and you know, Gervonte talked about after the fact that their plan 66 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:16,600 was to like make him use his legs, tire him out, and then 67 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:19,800 go get him, which is what they did. So for the first about 68 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,600 six rounds, Frank was having a lot of good success. Round seven was 69 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,959 a very big round for Tank Davis, and then he put him out in 70 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,360 round seven and one of the most spectacular knockouts I have seen in a long 71 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:36,879 time in person. He look I have not really. I mean, I 72 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,319 respect Tank's abilities and his punching power. He's obviously a very good fighter. 73 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,360 He was tremendously talented when he was kicking ass and taking names at one thirty. 74 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:47,879 His thing there was, you know, not making the weight and having 75 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:51,439 to vacate the title or getting stripped of the title, and then you know, 76 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,399 had some time off and wasn't fighting the best guys even as a lightweight. 77 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:57,879 I mean, people still quarrels about certain elements of his resume, and 78 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,759 that's that's a fair conversation. But Frank Martin was a good contender. You 79 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:03,120 know, I'm not gonna sugar, I'm not gonna like say he was no 80 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,600 good. He may not have had a big resume, he was a very 81 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:12,600 good, fundamentally sound fighter with some solid victories on his record and a good 82 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,199 game plan in that fight, and Tank, you know, did what he 83 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,399 does. So I'm more on the Tank bandwagon now, I think after seeing 84 00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:24,399 that knockout the other night than I've been in the past. I guess it 85 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,480 was. It was a really outstanding performance from Tank because we talked about how 86 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,920 he doesn't throw a lot of punches, but his high you know as the 87 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,079 high connect percentage, that's by design. This is not like he just can't 88 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,959 get the punches off. He doesn't get it up. He's so freaking smart 89 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,360 in the ring. He really studies the opponent. He's so accurate with his 90 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:45,759 punches. He doesn't waste anything. Basically, a lot of guys that they 91 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:47,839 throw all kinds of wacky combinations and flurries, and you know, they waste 92 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,040 punches, and you know they may land some here and there, but the 93 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:56,319 percentages are not great. He makes his punches count, and they're hard punches. 94 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,240 He went to the body. He landed good solid left hands, you 95 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,480 know. And I'll tell you this about Frank Martin. Even though he got 96 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,519 as I call it, it was an an eraser. Let's go before I 97 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,839 get the Frank Martin, let's talk about that knockout. So he had him 98 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,759 hurt in the seventh round. Looked like the fight was getting away from from 99 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:15,839 Frank at that point. And at that point after round seven, in my 100 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,680 mind, I'm like, Okay, this fight's basically over. Maybe another round, 101 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,160 maybe two, maybe three, But the point is it's going to be 102 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:27,199 a painful for Frank Martin to get through whatever he's gonna fill, you know, 103 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,240 uh get to after that round seven. But in the eighth round, 104 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,839 he had him up against the ropes. He landed, you know, I 105 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,959 don't know if it was a by design, but he threw her right hand 106 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,360 a jab. I don't know if he was just trying, you know, 107 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:45,399 blumber really get him with it, but it certainly he definitely saw and maybe 108 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:47,800 it clipped him a little bit, but whatever, even a split second of 109 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,399 not being focused on what was coming next, he hit him with a left 110 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,600 uppercut that just changed his life. And then basically because he was out, 111 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,639 you know, he digged, you know, he dipped down. He was 112 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,360 out along the ropes basically, and he was wide open and Tank had a 113 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:08,439 literally a free shot and took the overhand left and to clean this clock flatdum, 114 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,839 he hit his head. You know, you were talking with a double 115 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,439 knockout, and he got clipped with the punch and then his head hit the 116 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:16,000 canvas. And by the time so so Harvey Dock was the referee who did 117 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,079 a fine job. You know, he didn't really see him involved at all. 118 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:21,839 Before he finished the count, Tank was on the other side of the 119 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:26,560 ring. I was gonna say, so, I'm watching that moment and there's 120 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,680 obviously a ton of people watching that moment on TV, and we had something 121 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,040 different than you had because on the live TV you see Davis run over and 122 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:39,600 turn his back to everything and his dancing up on the third strand of ropes 123 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:44,199 while the count is still going on taking us Because you were there, I 124 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:47,839 mean, it was weird because I know it's highly unlikely he was going to 125 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:50,839 get up, but the fight was not waved off. Doc was still counting, 126 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,759 right, so it was a weird, just dynamic for a second. 127 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,800 So at the press conference after the fight, I actually asked Tank that specific 128 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,920 thing. I said, Wing, you caught him with the second left, 129 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,759 which I said, was one of the best knockouts I really ever seen, 130 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,879 you know, such a brutal shot. And then you were already running to 131 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,360 the to get in your position to do your backflip. You know, were 132 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,839 you sure the fight was over? He says. You know, I'm paraphrasing. 133 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,079 You can see the exact quote in the article that I wrote about the 134 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:20,000 fight, but he basically was like, yeah, I knew the fight was 135 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,519 over because not only did I have you know, I felt it, but 136 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:24,920 he hit his head on the canvas, and I knew he wasn't going to 137 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,160 go on so and he was right. And Harvey Dock, you know, 138 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,000 obviously counted him out. I mean, Harvey, you know he counted, 139 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,480 but he could have probably stopped it without counting. But whatever. Uh and 140 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,360 and that was all she wrote. And then and then Tank, you know, 141 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:39,159 he always does the backflip. I don't know, maybe I just haven't 142 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,679 seen one in a little while or whatever, but that that backflip was like 143 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,000 he had air on that backflip like I was like, he did a he 144 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:50,840 did a backflip at the at the uh after the way. And also and 145 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:52,720 I was joking around with one of the people I was talking to about how 146 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,519 you know, boy or boy do a backflip at the way and then you 147 00:08:56,639 --> 00:08:58,919 fall the wrong way, you spring your ankle and the fights off at the 148 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,840 way, and you know, we don't need to be getting hurt there. 149 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,519 But he did his His back flip off the rope after the knockout was you 150 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,919 know, high air like it was a huge backflip, like he could join 151 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,639 the circus with that kind of backflip. But uh, you know, listen 152 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,519 and I'll tell you so it was. It was a great knockout, and 153 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,039 it was like typical tank fight. It was. I mean, it was 154 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,399 a good fight, but it wasn't like, you know, an enthralling memorable 155 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:22,919 like you know you're gonna go back and watch over and over again. It 156 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,399 was a good fight. But the reason that I said many times that tanks 157 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,480 fights are not generally exciting, this maybe was a little better than your average 158 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,240 tank fight. But the reason why it's so memorable and people just want to 159 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,480 go see him is because when the moment happens when the knockout comes, it's 160 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,960 just like an explosion. So when he scored the knockout, there was like 161 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:46,799 thirteen for there was like that was a tendance thirteen two hundred and fifty something 162 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:52,879 whatever at the team at the MGM Grand Garden was the announced attendance. And 163 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,360 it was like just an explosion when that happened. Because number one, it 164 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:58,519 was a huge tank house. I mean, it was pretty much all all 165 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:01,840 Davis fans and when that happened in particularly, they were excited because the seventh 166 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,480 round, I think everybody kind of consensed that the end was near. This 167 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:09,840 is a matter of how how far longer would would be able to go. 168 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,320 But when that knockout happened and it was so spectacular that the crowd just went 169 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,960 absolutely crazy. I mean that's you know, that's the moment as a fan 170 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,720 and as a reporter that goes to the events to be in the arena to 171 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:22,799 cover them, those are the moments that you live for. I mean, 172 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:24,639 it was absolutely phenomenal. It's like, you know, when you would see 173 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:28,559 Mike Tyson knockout an opponent or something like that, that's the kind of ferocity 174 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:33,200 that tank Davis has with his punching power, he is a a really good 175 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,600 puncher. And that being said again, he got touched up because he had 176 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:41,320 swelling under the right cheekbone under the right eye was red. It was swelling. 177 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,240 It didn't impair him. And so now everybody wants to know what happens 178 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,879 in the future, what happens next? I guess the first thing, and 179 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:52,000 this is legitimate, is does he behave does he stay out of trouble something 180 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,720 that he has frequently had problems with in between fights? And then who does 181 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,799 he end up in front of next? So what are your thoughts? Have 182 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,720 been around it and heard them talk and what you what you were able to 183 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:05,799 dig around and find out being out in Vegas. Well, hopefully he doesn't 184 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:07,919 wind up in front of a judge number one other than a boxing judge. 185 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,960 The guys opposed to a court judge. Very nice and listen, don't I 186 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,399 don't know if I should take it seriously seriously or not. But some of 187 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,120 the things that that he talked about pre fight and post fight, because he 188 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:22,080 was asked about it, you know, was having been incarcerated after the Ryan 189 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,879 Garcia fight last April and doing some time you know, you could take him 190 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,480 at face value. It's up to him to prove that what his words are 191 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,240 are legit. But he says, look, I've learned, I've matured. 192 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:35,279 I mean, we kind of heard the song and dance before. I kind 193 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:37,600 of get the feeling. Maybe he's a little more serious this time. He 194 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:39,559 is twenty nine years old. He's not a kid anymore. This you know, 195 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:41,960 he's a grown man. You got to take responsibility for your actions. 196 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,399 So you know, he's he's got a great career going, he's making a 197 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:52,000 lot of money, he's a big popular figure. He's got children, he's 198 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,759 got family. I mean, he's he's what all the whatever, the rough 199 00:11:54,799 --> 00:11:58,639 parts of his growing up were in Baltimore, which is a very difficult upbringing. 200 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,600 It a tearable neighborhood. All that he made it out. You know, 201 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:05,519 he should be proud of that and now just behave yourself. I hope 202 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:07,679 he doesn't. I hope he's serious about his words about having found that maturity. 203 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,840 Now in terms of his boxing, if he does stay out of trouble, 204 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:13,960 look, he's going to be in a huge fight because he is a 205 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,399 star. End of story. And the guys that are there we know and 206 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,039 they were the ones who were mentioned. It's Vasilly Lomachenko, It's Shakhorse Stevenson, 207 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,159 maybe a rematch with Isaac Cruz, you know, in one hundred and 208 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,519 forty pound weight class. I mean they fought the first fight that they had 209 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,720 in the one under thirty five pound weight class. If you want a really 210 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,080 big fight, I don't know if there's another opponent out there that brings you 211 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,240 that level of a fight. There's really there's nobody that stands out to me 212 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,440 that you would think that would be the big name to make a giant fight 213 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,759 for him in terms of a guy that would be coming up less, say 214 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:46,159 from one hundred and thirty pounds. You know, every time you make think 215 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,200 about big fights, I mean, isn't a big fight if you were in 216 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,799 to fight like oh, Shaki Foster or the champions are Navarette or Lamar Rochro. 217 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,279 So those are not those are not big fights. So the champions at 218 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,000 one thirty five besides him, I mentioned Shakor and Lomachenko, Dennis Brentschick is 219 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:01,720 not. I mean he's a good fighter, but he's not. That's not 220 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:07,240 a big fight. So the two names that have titles are are Loma and 221 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:09,879 Shakur. And one thing that Tank has never done, he has never had 222 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:13,480 a unification, whereas Shakuor has been a unified champion at one point thirty Loma 223 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:16,279 Chanko has been, you know, a unified champion at lightweight. That's that's 224 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:18,639 something that that Tank does not happen as resumes, So I would think that 225 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,879 would be attract that he said that he would have no problem fight neither one 226 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,559 of those guys. Chakor obviously has a fight coming up July sixth in Newark 227 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,559 against Hartytunian, which is the guy that actually lost to Frank Martin last year. 228 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:33,919 Anyway, so we'll see. I mean, I think, even though 229 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:37,519 they're on different platforms and different promoters, the way that the boxing situation goes 230 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,279 right now, if there is that kind of fight that means money, I 231 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,759 think it is doable. Shakur will be a free agent following the July sixth 232 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:48,000 fight, which would certainly make that easier, even if Loma is still with 233 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,919 top rank. You know, they've shown the ability to work together at times, 234 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:54,679 so for a fight of that magnitude, that's a big fucking fight. 235 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:58,120 Let me tell you now, I don't think he doesn't want to go to 236 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:01,600 one Yeah, exactly, he doesn't. He has said doesn't really have a 237 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:05,759 desire to go to one forty, and I kind of get it. He 238 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:07,720 was really like only one thirty three and change for the way, and so 239 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:13,000 he didn't like have a hard time apparently making a lightweight limit. So there's 240 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,519 no reason in his mind anyway that I should push myself all the way up 241 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,960 to one forty yet and for what. Okay, t Fimo Lopez is a 242 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,000 champion, that would obviously be to me, that's that's my favorite fight. 243 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:24,159 If you said to me, Raphael picked your Tank opponent, what's the best 244 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,879 fight? What's the fight you want the most, I would say, bring 245 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:31,200 me Tank Davis against t Fimo Lopez had one hundred and forty pounds. But 246 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,720 the other guys, you know, good Devin Haney fight, it would it 247 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,159 would be a pretty big fight, but given what happened to Lahaney in his 248 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,559 last fight, it would have some lust or loss because of his loss to 249 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,720 Ryan Garcie, even if that result gets changed because of the drug testing situation. 250 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,799 You know, the other titles are hit Boll Cruz, which is one 251 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:52,279 possibility that was mentioned. And then Sabrill Matias has lost the title, which 252 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:56,919 we'll talk about the barrows. So and Parr is gonna be definitely not fighting 253 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:01,600 Tank Davis in his next fight anyway. Me the logical fights are either Chakor 254 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,279 Stevenson or Loma Chango. Those are both bona fide pay per view fights. 255 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,759 I think those fights would do big business. I'd love to see him go 256 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:11,759 one at a time, fight both guys. You know, let's pick, 257 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:13,759 you know, flip a coin, pick the order you want your core first. 258 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,080 If you win, dou Loma or vice versa, you know, and 259 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,559 if they don't fight, if he doesn't fight Lomo or Shakor, if Shaquor 260 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,120 wins in July, I'd like to see Shakor fight Loma, and the pit 261 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,720 Bull Cruise would make sense as a rematch somehow, some way somewhere down the 262 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,240 road. Uh, let's say, and Lomachenko not getting any younger, so 263 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,120 let's let's see if that can maybe get on for late in the year. 264 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:39,759 Can we have good things as it relates to Gervonte Davis. Uh, we 265 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,600 list one thing about us, yes, you know, one thing about Frank 266 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:45,639 Martin. I know he lost and he got knocked out, But I thought 267 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:46,840 he handled it very well, least when he came to the press conversin and 268 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,320 they you know, he gave the credit. Look, he fought a good 269 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,039 fight. He's got nothing to be ashamed of it. He just lost one 270 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,960 of the best fighters in boxing. That's the kind of loss. I know. 271 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,320 It is harsh getting knocked out like that, but you know, take 272 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,159 a little break obviously, and then reassess what you want to do. But 273 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,320 I think that Frank Martin still has an absolute future in this sport. I 274 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,080 think he absolutely can be a world champion. No cushion in my mind about 275 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,320 that. You know, whether he wants to continue at one thirty five. 276 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,000 He did have a little struggle making one thirty five, but I don't think 277 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:14,840 that he even said, you know, yeah, we all have trouble making 278 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:18,480 weight, But that was not any kind of detriment to his performance. In 279 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:21,120 his performance. To the detriment was he didn't get He didn't see the left 280 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,720 hand, you know, was what he said. He said, he just 281 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,919 never saw the punch that the one that really hurt him. But so, 282 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:29,720 yeah, this is this is the kind of loss where you never like to 283 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:33,639 lose. But if you're going to lose losing a way where you performed well 284 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:36,759 and you made a lot of fans I think the other night because of that 285 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:40,120 performance. And you know, he acquitted himself well, he handled himself well 286 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:41,679 in the in the build up, So I think he can absolutely win a 287 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:44,879 world title in and be involved in some other significant fight. Just because he 288 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:45,960 lost does not me and his career is over. He's now eighteen and one, 289 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:48,799 but he's still twenty nine years old and he's still I think has a 290 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,799 future. And by the way, I mean, for what it's worth, 291 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:59,159 Javonte Davis has done this to several opponents as of late with one shot and 292 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,840 Ryan Garcia is included in that group too. That couldn't that couldn't get by 293 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:07,720 him got knocked out and onward you March Okay co feature fight saw David Benavidez 294 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:14,079 move up and beat Alexander Vosdik to win the vacant interim one and seventy five 295 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,480 pound WBC title. Benavitez was very impressive. You and I both believed knockout 296 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:22,440 on our bet Us show. It did not come to pass, even though 297 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,640 he was in control of the fight. And then the most interesting takeaway is 298 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,559 him talking about hand injury leading up to the fight. What right hand injury 299 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,559 leading up to the fight, and that's going to be a concern, but 300 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,200 go ahead. Yeah, yeah. So he said afterwards that he tore a 301 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,519 ligament in his right hand in the training camp. Here at his left hand 302 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:44,640 in training camp, and he also suffered about three weeks ago a cutover his 303 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,000 left eye in training camp. But he really did not want to pull out 304 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,319 of this fight. He knew it was a big card. He obviously got 305 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,759 a big paycheck coming. He wanted to still go. He wanted to make 306 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:55,359 sure the fans got the right you know, the right card with Tank Davis 307 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:56,480 on the same show. And he just is not that kind of guy. 308 00:17:56,519 --> 00:17:59,880 And he was, you know, he fought through it. My perspective was, 309 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:03,279 had he not had the hand injuries, I strongly believe he would have 310 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,720 knocked out Alexander Vodes because as it was, he was tattooing him later in 311 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,000 the fight, he was kind of beating him down a bit. I thought 312 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:11,640 David looked very good in the way in the fight, even with the injuries. 313 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:14,920 He's still won going away, and Vodick wasn't. There's no joke, 314 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,319 I mean he may not be what he was at his absolute peak, but 315 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,880 he's still a very formidable guy. He'll beat a lot of fighters in the 316 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,640 light heavyweight division. He was in great shape, and you know, he 317 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,079 showed a good jebb. He really was not able to mount too much offense 318 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,240 besides that in my mind, but he ended up Benivide's winning, you know, 319 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,440 eleven rounds on one's core card, nine rounds on another score card, 320 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,599 in eight rounds on the other one. I thought the one sixteen one to 321 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:37,960 twelve was pretty damn generous. I guess me, we always talk about the 322 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:41,519 range of acceptable scores. To me, you could have the fight anywhere from 323 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,440 a shoutout to nine to three, and you'd you know, in my mind, 324 00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:47,200 that's reason why eight for that's a little bit stretching it. But nonetheless, 325 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,799 Benevide's look good, his defensive solid, you know, he now he 326 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,200 was talking about the postfight press conference about now I know that just when I 327 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,440 went like the punches he was landing on Vodick might have ended guys at super 328 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,319 min awight a little quick. But the guys that light headweight, not only 329 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:04,480 are they bigger, but they also they punched better. And they also are 330 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,759 used to taking bigger punches. But I think David Benavidez, after that performance 331 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:11,960 space on what I saw, he is gonna be just fine in the light 332 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,559 heavyweight division going forward, you know. And that's not to say he's gonna 333 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:17,799 beat a better be over our people, but he's gonna hang and compete and 334 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:19,359 and make some great fights with a lot of guys for quite a few years. 335 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,400 I know we often talk about variations of the S word. You don't 336 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,000 want to hear the S word in terms of health surgery. Was he talking 337 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:30,000 about that the hand or both of them might need surgery or not? Really? 338 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,799 That never, that was never, that word never came up. I 339 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:33,880 think it's right now. It's about like let me wrest, let me take 340 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,240 care of it, and you know, we'll be back in business soon. 341 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,319 But he'll be obviously he's gonna be solved for several months because he's got he 342 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,480 was nicked up and you know the hands and the eye. But uh, 343 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,839 David fought, Uh, he thought a good fight. I mean, it's 344 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,119 it's it's everything. You could have won it other than knock out in his 345 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,599 debut by like heavy one. You fought a good opponent, not a bum. 346 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,799 You fought a very solid, formidable former world champion, former UH top 347 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,279 lineal champion, was an Olympian but by the way, had Alexander Usik visiting 348 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:06,200 with him in the dressing room before the fight. You know, they're good 349 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,960 friends from their Olympic days. They stayed close, Kim Loma, Uh, 350 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:14,359 Usik, Barentschik and and also obviously Usik Uh. You know, they're they're 351 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,160 all on the same team and Uh and they have a relationship with each other, 352 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,440 and so the you know, the the undisputed champ was there in the 353 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,599 house to give his guys some support. But I thought, David, look, 354 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,599 David, is he other Like I said, other than the knockout, 355 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:29,759 I don't know what else you could ask for. I mean, he he 356 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,599 threw a combinations, he ripped big body shots. His left hand was solid, 357 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:36,119 even with the right hand he said he re injured it in the in 358 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,000 the third round. And it was a good fight. I mean, you 359 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:41,880 know, it wasn't super competitive, but it was certainly entertaining that you know, 360 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,079 I don't think the fans were upset about that fight. All Eiser wasn't 361 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:49,279 it was. I enjoyed it. I listened to see Tank. I mean, 362 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,000 we talked about this, I think a little bit in the preview. 363 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:55,559 I'm not saying this was like that, this is not that you know, 364 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,640 them fighting the two greatest opponents ever and it was a double hader. But 365 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:02,920 we're not going to see Thank Davis and denevite Is on the same card again 366 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,640 because there are two guys that can easily carry their own pay per view. 367 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,799 I mean, Bank was asked about that at the post fight, and I 368 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,599 thought his answer was, you know, it was nice to hear even though 369 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,200 I know it won't happen. He was like, look, I'd love to 370 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,599 do it again, and next time I'll fight in the co feature and you 371 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:18,440 know David can fight in the main event. Now. That was very uh 372 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,599 you know, sporting of him, you and I. You know, in 373 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,359 the realistic terms, that ain't happening, but it was cool to hear him 374 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,680 say that. They had a healthy respect fan O. They're going in because 375 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,200 they know how good each other are. By and by the way, fight 376 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:33,799 fans are the ones that benefit when those better fights are on there. But 377 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,640 we're just being realistic. They're both pay per view headliners at this point, 378 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,839 especially Benavidez down the road when he gets a title shot, if and where 379 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,119 he gets a title shot, either one seventy five or moving back to fight 380 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,240 Canelo Alvarez, if that ever happens. At one sixty eight, all right, 381 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:53,039 you mentioned Gary Anchwin Russell beaten by Albert Poeo for the vacant WBC interim 382 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:56,640 one hundred and forty pound title. I don't know why we have to have 383 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,119 an interim one hundred and forty pound champ because Devin and he is the champ 384 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,640 and I don't know, but anyway, he got that fight. You got 385 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,359 Carlos Adamis who returned for the first time in a year. He won his 386 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,599 WBC middleweight title for the real title fight, although not a very good fight, 387 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,720 did enough to be Terrell Gachet. So what else? What else from 388 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,880 those fights on the pay per view? So the Pueo in Russell fight, 389 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,599 that was the one that was the real shocker, because nothing against Pueo. 390 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,160 I mean, he's a pretty solid fighter. Obviously he got to win last 391 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,000 night. He deserved it. It was close fight, but you know he 392 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:30,039 won by a couple of points. Uh, he won by by one fifteen, 393 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,440 one twelve and one fourteen one thirteen. There was a point deduction from 394 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,079 him also, so it would have been a little wider, would have been 395 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:40,680 eighty four and seven to five. The one judge though, who gave it 396 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,920 to Russell, uh had it one eighteen to one O nine. To me, 397 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,839 that that I mean that Look, if you want to tell me that 398 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,319 you think maybe Gary eked it out and you had him winning by one point. 399 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,799 I can't, like argue st strenulously against that, But to score that 400 00:22:56,839 --> 00:23:02,200 fight one a T one O nine, I mean, that's the kind of 401 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,720 thing you just have to if you're running the commission, you got to call 402 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:07,079 the judge in and sit down and have a conversation. Say hey, listen, 403 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,759 we love you. You've been a good judge, but that was a 404 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:14,880 bad situation. Kid. You try to, you know, explain what you 405 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,799 were seeing that you made you score ten rounds to Russell when Fueyo was clearly 406 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,119 winning the fight. I don't know, I mean whatever, I can't get 407 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,720 to what you said. I know you're not that you're not that crotchety yet 408 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,480 in the podcast, but we've talked so many times about accountability. There's got 409 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,880 to be accountability when you have that horrific a card, that's what you mean? 410 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:38,119 Yeah, I mean then there's always, not always, but oftentimes you'll 411 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,839 see a fight that's close, or maybe it's not close, but you know, 412 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:45,480 everybody sort of agrees on they're like, again, the general range of 413 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,519 scores, and then there's one wacky outlier where you know, basically the general 414 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,400 public and the other judges agree this is like a you know, an eight 415 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,200 to four kind of fight, and the other judge has it like ten to 416 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:56,000 the other way, and you like, what the fuck is going on here? 417 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:00,279 Uh so that was a backguard. But but but Mormans, though Gary 418 00:24:00,279 --> 00:24:03,519 Antoine Russell, he's gonna go kick himself if he goes back and watches his 419 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:08,599 fight. He is so far superior of a boxer than Peyo is in my 420 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,799 opinion, so much better of a puncher than Playo, Younger than Playo. 421 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:21,720 A tremendously fast fighter, tremendous IQ background, upbringing, Olympic pedigree, everything 422 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,079 you wanted to see. But you know what he doesn't have. The guy's 423 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,160 been a professional for almost what eight nine years? He has seventeen fights. 424 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:36,359 He's not activing of my existence and of everybody in this sport. The activity 425 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,359 level is ridiculously pathetic because when you are only seventeen and oh after having been 426 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,200 an Olympian in twenty sixteen, I believe it was, and you only have 427 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,400 now seventeen professional fights. You know, when a young fighter turns pro typically 428 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,119 they have a bunch of rural you know, fights in a row right at 429 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,279 to be So I didn't look at his record since yesterday, but he probably 430 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,599 racked up seven or eight or nine fights in the first you know, year 431 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,279 and a half for something of his career. So his activity level has been 432 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:04,319 absolutely pathetic. Now. I know he took some time off when his father 433 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:08,759 passed away, understandable. Obviously a lot of guys had their schedules impacted, 434 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,119 you know, for you know, a year or two because of COVID and 435 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,759 all that. But that's still seventeen fights and all that time with that kind 436 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,759 of talent. Gary Antoine Russell at twenty eight should already be a multi time 437 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,960 world champion. He should have been on the pound for poundless. That's the 438 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,599 kind of ability that this man has, and we know it runs in the 439 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,680 family. We saw how good his brother was, who was still o who 440 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,720 I talked to him on the airplane. By the way, who says he 441 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:34,440 still plans to fight. He's going to maybe come back at one thirty maybe 442 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,519 even one thirty five. We'll see that that when it happens. But that 443 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:42,759 that has to be if you're if you're a Gary Antoine Russell supporter, that 444 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,079 is just a just a horrific outcome. You know, maybe I'm not giving 445 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,680 Playo enough credit, but I didn't think he did anything spectacular just looking at 446 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,160 it. He had three fights in twenty seventeen, his debut year. He 447 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,920 had four fights Gary Antoine Russell in twenty eighteen. He had five more fight 448 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,960 in twenty nineteen before the pandemic, year before the death of his father, 449 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,000 at which we understand we're accounting for that, but that's still most of his 450 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,880 fights in the first three years and almost no fights in the last four years. 451 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,799 That's your point. When he turned ro, I'm not looking at his 452 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,319 record. Did those three fights he had in his debut year within near the 453 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:21,000 end of the year, that's I figue that is correct. Yes, he 454 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,440 fought in May, in September and in November of twenty seventeen, came right 455 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:32,160 back and fought in March April and May and August of twenty eighteen, so 456 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,039 he basically in the span of one year had eight fights eight twelve months. 457 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,720 Not active enough, not activities. Still he still can be a top quality 458 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,640 fighters just because he took a decision loss that was close, you know, 459 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,559 to Alberta Playo. It's not like his career is over. Same thing we 460 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:52,000 were talking about with Frank Martin getting knocked out by Tank Davis. I mean, 461 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:53,119 you go on, you dust yourself off, and hopefully you'll come back. 462 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,599 But the activity level is just not good. Now that's partly on the 463 00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:03,119 fighter because sometimes fighters and speak specifical about Gary's case, but some guys are 464 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,039 inactive because they have a certain expectation of what they should be being paid. 465 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,640 And PBC for a period of time was kind of really spoiling their fighters relative 466 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,079 to other promoters because they are paying persons that were not commensurate what the actual 467 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:17,160 market was. It was sort of a fake market that was being created. 468 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,839 But sometimes if you want to get to the promised land, which is big 469 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,720 world titles, which then of course the money goes with that, you got 470 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,359 to be willing to fight for a certain amount. I can't speak to what 471 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,680 Gary's particular reasons were. But seventeen fights and then his eighteen fight on Saturday 472 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:34,160 Night, what do you expect if you're not active? That's one of the 473 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:38,960 I truly believe, I truly truly believe if Gary Antoine Russell was fighting like 474 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,279 a regular contender type fighter, and let's not even let's say he had three 475 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:45,279 fights in the year, I'm not going to say he should have six. 476 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,839 Let's say in twenty twenty three he had three bouts. That's not a heavy 477 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,039 lift, especially when he's knocking guys out, he's not going deep in fights 478 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:57,559 or taking huge punishment. Three fights is highly reasonable. I believe he would 479 00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:00,039 have been sharper and better and were a tune to what was going on, 480 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:04,599 he probably would have won the fight my opinion. Nonetheless, he loses and 481 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:10,039 gets to start over now and again. Carlos Adamis was on the first fight 482 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:15,960 on the pay per view, again, his first fight in a year while 483 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:22,400 waiting to be elevated to WBC full middleweight champion, and Terrell Gachet deserves the 484 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,000 credit because he took the well to this extent. He took the shots for 485 00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,000 a lot of the fight, but there was just not a lot to this 486 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,680 go ahead. You were there in the Iran So Carlo Sadamis did what he 487 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,279 what he does. He came forward, he threw punches, he was you 488 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:40,400 know, his punches were somewhat heavier obviously. You know, he's a pretty 489 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,440 solid guy, particularly in a middleweight division at the moment that is not exactly 490 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,880 the strongest that we've ever seen. And he won the fight going away. 491 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,799 I mean he won eleven to one on one card and ten two on the 492 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,079 other two cards, and that was a total domination. He kicked his ASTs. 493 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,799 Carol Gache, I have nothing bad to say about him as a human 494 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,720 being. I've met him a couple of times in nice guy Olympian represented the 495 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,440 United States of America, had a good amateur career, but as a professional, 496 00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,079 he's the most negative fighter you could want to see. He doesn't bring 497 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:14,200 anything to the table positively in his boxing matches. His fights are terrible to 498 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,279 watch. He has no fan base. He doesn't really and again it's not 499 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:19,519 his fault. And again I'm not trying to hate on the man, but 500 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,240 he doesn't have a personality, so there's no reason to like get excited about 501 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:27,519 him or like really want to follow him. And he goes in there, 502 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:33,079 he faints, he runs, he holds, you know, he might throw 503 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:37,240 a few punches here and there. It's so fucking agonizing to watch. It's 504 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,119 such a negativity. It's to the point where if I see that Terrell is 505 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,240 gonna be on a cart, I'm gonna purposely not watch his fight. I 506 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,200 mean, it's that bad. And the only thing to his credit is he 507 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,759 knocked He knocked Tim Zoo down in his United States debut in the first round 508 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,759 of the fight. So that's about the only noteworthy thing with that laundry list 509 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,599 that you went down. So that's one moment, right. How many years 510 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,440 has the man been a professional? How many years? I mean, that's 511 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:06,480 one memorable thing. And he still lost the fight. How much because you 512 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,920 were in the arena? How much a damas being off for a year being 513 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,480 rusty? Tank Davis talked about it. You just talked about it with Gary 514 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,039 Anchwin Russell. How much did that affect him, not being able to put 515 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,640 put the pressure on and get him out of there? What do you think 516 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,640 if at all? I mean, well, one thing about about a fight 517 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,160 is it does take to to fight, and Tarol Gichet was there to have 518 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,440 a high guard, keep the keep the ear muffs on, as they say, 519 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,680 and was not going to engage him. So it's hard when a guy 520 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,519 is not willing to fight you, or and if he is, it's only 521 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,559 in spots. So I don't I don't really I think that was more because 522 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,440 uh arl Gie, you know, the one thing he does have this good 523 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,839 his defense is pretty good. Can't argue with that. So no, I 524 00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,799 don't really think the layoff had much to do it that. I mean one 525 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,160 thing about a Damas man, he was an absolutely phenomenal condition, uh and 526 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,920 he he thought LOWI he fights. You know, he came forwardy three punches 527 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,960 and you know, his defense was actually pretty decent. Although you know, 528 00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:59,200 it wasn't hard to have good defense, I guess I guess it owner that 529 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,440 really was very and throw any real punches. But I just remember one time 530 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,920 being in twenty seventeen, I was at Bark Play Center when Terol Gichet fought 531 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,160 Erislonni Lara in one of the worst matchups on paper you could ever imagine. 532 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,680 It turned out to be such a horrible, putrid, disgustingly bad fight that 533 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,960 the crowd had already laughed. It was the main event. There was some 534 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,720 other undercard fights of conswits. The arena had largely almost emptied out because it 535 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,079 was such a bad fight by like the middle of the fight. But there 536 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:29,519 was a group of guys sitting behind the media media section who were cheering like 537 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:33,359 lunatics every time they'd hit the ten second clapper, becacause the round was over. 538 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,559 It was very it was they were being sarquapa and when the fight ended, 539 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:40,000 the big giant cheer. But that's what Terrelle brings to fights. He 540 00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,279 doesn't bring any entertainment value. Who in the world would buy a ticket to 541 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,279 watch this guy fight? Now you're putting in a world championship fight. He's 542 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,039 the one that made the terrible fight Damas did with the Damas dost. He 543 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:52,279 was aggressive, he threw punches. But get just again, I have nothing. 544 00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,000 I don't dislike him as a human being. I just you know, 545 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,880 if he wants to fight that way, that's his right, but it's also 546 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,319 my right to not like it and not watch it. All right, what 547 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,720 else from the nine we got one other view part? What else? What 548 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,640 else stood out go? So that was the pay per view, But on 549 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,000 the prelims. I think this is one of the biggest upset of the year. 550 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,440 You have the super prospect Elijah Garcia that everybody had a lot of high 551 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,640 hopes for go in there and ship the bed against Kyron Davis, who was 552 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,079 the veteran who did a hell of a job. He's being trained by Steven 553 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,960 Bradman Edwards. They had a great game plan. They took Elijah Garcia apart. 554 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,160 Part of it was because Garcia, I think his own issues. He 555 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,880 didn't make the weight. They made him do a morning weight check smartly on 556 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,039 Saturday morning, so he couldn't be more than ten pounds over. He was 557 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:39,880 like, I think one seven one sixty three point two for the way, 558 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,359 and so he can only go up to one seventy three point two, which 559 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,680 he weighed in exactly at the morning weight check. I remember this was a 560 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,599 fight that was supposed to be on the March thirtieth card. I don't know 561 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,920 if this has anything to do with Garcia's you know, bad performance, but 562 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,799 that fight was postponed because he had come up sick a few days during you 563 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,599 know, during fight week, and they had to call that fight off. 564 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:02,240 But Elijah Garcia did not look like the prospect that we've raved about that has 565 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:08,440 looked dynamic and explosive and total pressure fighter, you know. And Kyron Davis 566 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,880 was there to test him. He didn't just test and he licked him. 567 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,599 He beat him. It wasn't really even that heart of a fight to score. 568 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,319 The judge is actually all pretty much agreed. It was ninety seven, 569 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,160 ninety three twice in ninety eight ninety two. Garcia looked like he didn't have 570 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,200 any snap on his punches. He looked lethargic, he looked kind of lost. 571 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,240 I mean, I don't know what was going on with that dude, 572 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,720 but that was just a very very disappointing performance from a guy that he fought 573 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,240 with. Maybe like literally the best prospect in boxing are close to it, 574 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,279 isn't it fair? Maybe not in shape, not in shape, didn't make 575 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,160 the weight and not you know, not in shape for the fight, and 576 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,559 looked like it for that. And Kyron Davis is the consummate professional. I 577 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,200 don't think anybody's gonna mistake him for like, you know, mister world champion 578 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,039 or pound for pal material. But he's a hard worker. He fights guys, 579 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,319 he takes tough fights, and he was prepared, he was in shape, 580 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,680 he had a you know, they had a good game plan. Obviously 581 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,000 he's got a top notch trainer with Steven Edwards, and they went out there 582 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:00,680 and they did the job. I mean, remember, this is a guy 583 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,000 that had a draw against Anthony Durell, who was a heavy favorite when they 584 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,800 fought. You know, he's beaten like like, okay, secondary guys. 585 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,320 I mean, he fought David Benivitez. He did get stop by him in 586 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,559 two thousand and twenty one, you know, in a one sided fight, 587 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,039 but he fought the guy. Listen, that's a career win for Cairo and 588 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,360 Davis. Now to beat that young fighter, you know, Elijah Garcia. 589 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,639 That was you know, if you were asking ask people from other promotion companies 590 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:30,079 who are not related to PBC, they'll tell you they thought he was one 591 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:31,679 of the best prospects in boxing and they wish they had him in their in 592 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,239 their stable of fighters. Hopefully he can make a comeback. He's still a 593 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,360 very young man. I mean I'm not really I'm not gonna write him off 594 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,079 because he had one, you know, pretty terrible performance. He's only twenty 595 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:44,360 one years old. Hopefully he learned from it. I'll put it like that. 596 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,800 That was the one that was even a bigger shocker than Gary Russell, 597 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,800 Gary Antwin Russell losing to alberta play on the card. That was a huge 598 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,760 upset in my mind. All right, there you go, anything else from 599 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,400 the trip to Vegas, anything else off the cards or are we good on 600 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,920 that one? And shall we move on to to talk about shocker what happened 601 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,440 in Puerto Rico? Shall we? Yeah? No, I'll just wrap it 602 00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:07,119 up and say it was a hell of a fight week. It was a 603 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:12,800 good fight gig overall, a good card. Thoroughly enjoyed all the historical memories 604 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,840 of the fact there was the one hundredth championship event at the Grand Garden Arena 605 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,880 for boxing. You know, they had a beautiful reception a couple of nights 606 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,679 before the fight in the arena, and they showed the highlight video that I 607 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,400 was asked to be part of. So that was cool and it was a 608 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,440 great time to go over all those memories of those incredible fights. And I 609 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,119 hope that people who go and check out my newsletter. I don't you know, 610 00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,440 we've been doing the podcast a long time. Very rarely do I give 611 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,519 a plug to my own and stuff, but I would encourage people to go 612 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:42,719 on my website. I wrote a piece about the history of the Grand Garden 613 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,679 and the fights, and I did a stuff about that, and then I 614 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,639 also did my top ten ranking, picked some of the great moments, the 615 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:52,159 most iconic moment, the best knockout, the biggest dud, blah blah blah. 616 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,639 I would hope people will go check that out. And by the way, 617 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:59,159 we should be plugging these Dan Raphael Substack, why are you not subscribing 618 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:06,000 and on the newsletter, great social media stuff with all the pictures of the 619 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,920 ceremony that they did, or at least the gathering that they did on Thursday 620 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,760 night, and all the stuff they had in the arena for the one hundredth 621 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,119 and we talked a lot about it in the build up for it. So 622 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,360 again for all time, Gervonte Davis wins the one hundredth won by knockout. 623 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,119 So that was pretty memorable in its own right. On that all right, 624 00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,960 So let's move on to what is the upset of the weekend. You talked 625 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,039 about the upset of Gary Ajewin Russell is a bigger upset right here with what 626 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:34,599 Liam Paro did against Subrial Matinas. So I was locked in on this fight 627 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:37,760 while you were locked in obviously on the PBC card. I was writing it 628 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,960 for Big Fight Weekend dot Com and I am sitting here approximately twenty four hours 629 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,320 after that fight while we tape the podcast, and I still am be fuddled. 630 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,000 I'll use the word be fuddled here on a Sunday night, that Mattias 631 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,719 didn't kick it into gear middle of the fight later in the fight and try 632 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:01,920 to get Paro out of there. Was it that he couldn't that he wouldn't. 633 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,639 Paro deserves a lot of credit for being active out of the south paw 634 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,039 stands for landing. When Mattias would hit him, he would fire back and 635 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:14,760 make Matias stop. He used good movement, he used angles. He just 636 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,760 out fought out boxed Suprial Mattias. And I am befuddled as to what the 637 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,519 heck happened with Ever with the table set in front of him, big fight 638 00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:30,800 coming if he wins, huge home country backing. He couldn't make the crowd 639 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,880 roar ray Field more than two or three times that entire twelve round fight. 640 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,880 What a job by Liam Paro. We shouldn't set him short sell him short. 641 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,320 But I just in watching that round after round, I'm like, where 642 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,239 is the Mattias stepping on the accelerator? It never came, my friend. 643 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,400 Well, a lot of fighters didn't want to fight Sybril Mattias. They called 644 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,800 him the boogeyman. They say is the most avoided fighter in the junior walterweight 645 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,440 division, maybe one of the most avoided fighters in the sport of boxing period. 646 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,760 But Liam Paro from the time this fight was approached as a possibility when 647 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,840 they were looking for an opponent. This is soon after he that suberal Mitis 648 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,320 had signed with match from Boxing and they were trying to go through what the 649 00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:09,000 possible opponents were. He was always in the mix. He always in his 650 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:13,360 public comments, was willing and interested to take the fight. Had no problem 651 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,920 traveling from his home country of Australia to Puerto Rico to do the match. 652 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,760 You know, he hadn't really fought much outside of Australian and his whole cre 653 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,920 Like you've mentioned, he fought the fight in Tampa, but that was you 654 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,000 know, he wasn't the main event. It wasn't world championship fight, that 655 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:27,320 sort of thing. Now he's taking the step up. But if you know, 656 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,079 his perspective was to look, maybe these other guys don't want to challenge 657 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,000 Matias, maybe they think he's the boogeyman. But I want my world title 658 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,320 shot on bringing the bell to home to Australia. And you go in with 659 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,599 that kind of mentality and that game plan, and you were able to do 660 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:43,679 that for twelve rounds and maybe you do catch Mattias on a little bit of 661 00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,280 an off night, maybe you do catch him celebrating the homecoming more than paying 662 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,920 attention to the opponent, and you add that all up and it ends up 663 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,480 as a you know, a close but pretty clear unanimous decision in favor of 664 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:58,119 part made me think about, you know, a few years ago watching when 665 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:01,280 Jared Hurd was was the Dream Been Away Champion and he was having a big 666 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:07,000 homecoming event in uh he lives in Akacique, Maryland. They had to fight 667 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:10,199 in fairfaxt Virginia, which is you know where I live at the George Mason 668 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,039 University. It was about maybe like fifteen twenty minutes from where he lives. 669 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,119 And the whole week was him, you know, homecoming, lots of you 670 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:21,000 know, who's gonna sing the song, Who's gonna walk us in. What's 671 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,280 this? What's that? Everything was being discussed except for the actual fight, 672 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:27,320 and Julian Jay Rock Williams came in there and cleaned his clock and won the 673 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,559 fight. And this sort of had it made me think a little bit about 674 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,039 that. I'm not saying that the fights themselves were the same, but a 675 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:37,559 guy gets focused on the hometown fight on you know, doing the appearances and 676 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,920 the tickets and you know who's singing the anthem and all the shit that you 677 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,159 really shouldn't be worrying about other than your opponent, and you get sidetracked and 678 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,719 you're not focused in and the other guy meanwhile, you know, he's ready 679 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,599 to go. He's like, I'm gonna come in there and I'm gonna do 680 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,559 my job and I'm gonna I'm gonna embarrass it in front of your home crowd. 681 00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:58,440 And to your point, I mean, Matias had the elaborate ring walk 682 00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:05,159 with the rap star and it took full ever for him to get to the 683 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,519 ring, and it did not bother Liam Paro. Liam Paro remained focused. 684 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,719 If that was gamesmanship, if that was strategy to try to get him off 685 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,960 his game or rattle him, it did not work, and I thought a 686 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:22,199 key juncture. And again I know I watched this much more closely than you 687 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,679 did live because you were working the other ones in Las Vegas. But when 688 00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,440 Mattias got control of the fight at the end of the third round, he 689 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,440 scored several times. At the end of the third round, the cro crowd 690 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,159 is warning, you're going, okay, here we go. You and I 691 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,880 both like the knockout pop. You're thinking, here you go. Barrow came 692 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,079 right back and won the fourth round, was more aggressive, landed the bigger 693 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,079 punches and he won the fifth round. And that says a ton for him. 694 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,760 Just follow up on that plase. Well, there was just no logical 695 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,199 reason to pick him in the fight. His resume was extremely thin, and 696 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,400 you know he had a decent win against Jomar Almo. That was the fight 697 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,199 that you were at in twenty one. Yeah, prior to that anybody in 698 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,559 his career. Rock Jarvis was anundefeated fighter from Australia. So it was a 699 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:02,760 two n defeat in Australians, but neither one of them were accomplished, so 700 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,920 you know, I guess it looks good on the record. He actually scored 701 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,000 a first on knockout. But I did never really gave him a lot of 702 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,119 credit for that win. He stopped Montana Love in the sixth round, but 703 00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:14,719 that was that was Love coming off of that wacky disqualification. And I never 704 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,639 thought much of Montana Love in the first place, you know. Uh So 705 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,719 I didn't give him a huge amount of credit for that either. So that 706 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,280 was his resume, basicly, And for them to go in there against Mantias 707 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,360 and and and win, no controversy. And you know, it was no 708 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,039 controversy because he got the unanimous on the other guy's hometown basically, you know, 709 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,599 in his that's where there wasn't just they fought the fight in Puerto Rico. 710 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,880 That was his hometown in Puerto Rico. And I thought, and I 711 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,159 thought Sergio Mora brought it up on the his own broadcast. He goes, 712 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:44,719 you want to know how bad this is going. He goes, there's no 713 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,039 energy in this building. This is the tenth round, the eleventh round. 714 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:52,039 They know he's losing, and the fight is over, and there's nobody making 715 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,880 any noise. They're like, they know he lost. So the Puerto Rican 716 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,719 fans, the Puerto Rican fans that turn out, I mean Kan fans are 717 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,079 very knowledgeable. They know their shit. They've got a great culture and a 718 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:06,039 great boxing history, and uh, and they knew their guy, like you 719 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:07,679 said, I mean, you're right, they knew their guys losing h And 720 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:12,280 by the way, it's not like not like uh, Mattias had some spectacular 721 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,000 resume either, but you just look at the way he takes guys out. 722 00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:16,480 I mean it's kind of like Tank Davis from the standpoint of the power, 723 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:21,239 not necessarily in their styles, but just blitzing guys. But I think sometimes 724 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,239 what happens is you see and this is you know, we're all guilty of 725 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,320 this, and it's I think it's just human nature. You see an exciting 726 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,679 young finer. He comes in, he looks great, maybe not fighting like 727 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,039 the top guy, but he's spectacular. The guy he beats has a great 728 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,519 record, he's exciting. He make that two three times in a row against 729 00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:36,639 not the elite fighters, and you're you know, he's starting to build them 730 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,920 up with more in your mind than what's actual reality. So I think that's 731 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,480 sort of what happened with Matias. Yes, he's a very dangerous puncher, 732 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,719 but it's you can't make him out to be the next coming of you know, 733 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,880 pick your junior world right start. But still he should have won that, 734 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,119 and he should have won it impressively. I know that's not what you're 735 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,360 saying, but the other the other part is I thought this was interesting. 736 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,159 As soon as the decision was announced, Mattia smiled, he clapped, he 737 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,920 raised leam Parro's hand, and he left. He scurried like I am thoroughly 738 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,360 shamed here. I'm thoroughly embarrassed. So I don't know truthfully what was going 739 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,599 on and why we didn't see the same type of fighter, especially in the 740 00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,000 second half of the fight and down the stretch of the fight. He didn't 741 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,480 fight with desperation either, So credit Paul. Yeah, that's about Paro, 742 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,599 I mean. And that leads to what what does happen next here? In 743 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:30,000 what is a wealthy one and forty pound weight division with the names, So 744 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,079 how does he factor in? Well, he factors in because he's the IBF 745 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,679 champion now and I know that his What he'd like to do is they would 746 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,039 like to take I think I think some of the match from people were talking 747 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,199 about right after the fight, as do a fight in Australia homecoming fight, 748 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:47,840 but the IBF. Remember if Mattias had won, I don't think it was 749 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,719 signs sealed and delivered, but that the likelihood was going to be that he 750 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,159 was going to make the mandatory against Richardson Hitchins, who was also a matchroom 751 00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:59,119 fighter who fought a couple of months ago, and that was the plan part 752 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,400 of when Richard when when Hitchins did his his deal with a match froom was 753 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,679 that was sort of like you know, penciled in, like you're going to 754 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,039 do this fight then the title fight, because he was the mandatory and a 755 00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:14,400 matchman both guys, So that doesn't change just because the different guy has the 756 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,920 belt. It's still he's still the mandatory challenger. Now it's possible that he 757 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,119 might be able to slip in, or they might allow it to happen step 758 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:22,519 aside. Maybe they'll get it done before the actual deadline. I mean, 759 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,320 I think that's going to play out with the IVF probably over. It's probably 760 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,239 going to be pretty quick too, because I'm sure the Hitchinson team is going 761 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,039 to approach the IVF to make sure that they get the orderant. The Parlo 762 00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:35,039 team's going to want to make sure they can organize a homecoming fight, you 763 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,199 know, a few months from now, so we'll see about that. So 764 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,480 he might get the homecoming fight. If he doesn't get the homecoming fight, 765 00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:44,239 I believe the next fight would be the mandatory against Richards and Hitchins, which 766 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,159 is a fight that would be what Hitchins has launched all along. He Richards 767 00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:50,639 and Hitchin wasn't married to. I want to fight Subril Matiaz. He's like, 768 00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,599 I want to fight for the IV of title, right, So whether 769 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,280 it's Hitchens that had the belt or it's Parloa that had the belt, you 770 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,199 know, he doesn't care. He wants a chance. So uh that that's 771 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,400 I think that's interesting fight, especially given what Paro did against Mattias. So 772 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,639 you know, it's a new face. It adds another name to a division 773 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,840 that's already got a lot of talent. Member we talked about one forty, 774 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,599 We talked about you know, Ti Fimo Lopez and Devin Haney and and uh 775 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,599 and Josh Taylor and Regis Progra and obviously Mattias and now Paro has a title. 776 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,360 We talked about richardson Hitchin undefeated contender. It's a very good quality weight 777 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,159 class and obviously you have guys like you know, certainly Tank Davis and go 778 00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,360 to one forty if he wanted to, if you want to have one of 779 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,960 those types of fights. So you know, that is a very very rich 780 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,480 division even before Para pulled the upset. Now that he did pull the upset, 781 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,280 it just brings another quality name and that I also forgot. Pitt pull 782 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,480 Cruz now has the title of the WBA and in that weight class, that's 783 00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,719 another quality name that's in that division. And maybe somebody wants to give the 784 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,360 old man Barroso another shot, you know. I mean there's there's there's a 785 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,239 lot of guys with stories and different kinds of styles, and there's a lot 786 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,679 of different kind of interesting fights, and you get paid in that division for 787 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,559 sure. Uh And I look forwar to seeing how it plays out. Good 788 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:05,480 on Liam Parlin by the way, you know, I'm biased about this, 789 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,440 but Winky Wright silencing Tito Trinidad in Puerto Rico the same way. And Trinidad 790 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,639 was there and they interviewed him on the broadcast. What is what during the 791 00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:16,000 fight, what does Mattias need to do? And he's like get inside body 792 00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,360 uppercut and he's like shadow boxing. None of it happened, and as they 793 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960 said, Tito was horrified after the fight, head in his hands. How 794 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,840 did he lose? But Winky didn't fight Trinidad in Puerto Rico. Well, 795 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,840 well correct, yeah, I didn't find him in Puerto Rico. But it 796 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,719 was right he beat him. I'm thinking of because a friend of mine was 797 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,639 there in San Juan that night when they were all celebrating and waving the flags 798 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,360 watching it on TV. That's what I'm thinking of. But and I was. 799 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,719 I was in the MGM brand in the MGM Grand Garden Arena. Asn't 800 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,880 matter. Yes, he turned Winky Wright, turned Felix Trinidad into a human 801 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,840 bobblehead. Yeah, there you go on that one. And and Tito took 802 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,480 it tough last night Saturday night with Mattia's taking the loss, all right, 803 00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,639 good stuff on that. We do pay mention too. That Chris billim Smith 804 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:08,639 did win the boxer main event Sky Sports in the UK Peacock in the US 805 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:15,679 the WBO cruiserweight title fight, avenged a previous non title loss to Richard Riaka 806 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,000 Pore. Billim Smith was busier, landed the more effective punches, workmanlike win 807 00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:25,280 for him, and it keeps him very relevant for unification at cruiserweight for sure. 808 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:30,039 Here's the that's the big upshot of that win in England, real quick, 809 00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,400 Dan, Yeah, I mean I have to be honest. I mean 810 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,920 I thought Ria pore was the better athlete. I thought he was the stronger 811 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,519 puncher. I thought he was you know, he was a guy that would 812 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:44,639 that I thought would win, partially because he had already defeated Bill Smith. 813 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,920 To Bill Smith's credit, though he said in his pre fight posts, I 814 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,199 wrote about it in one of my notebooks, where he's like, look, 815 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,599 that fight was so long ago. I mean not necessarily in years. It 816 00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,119 wasn't that long ago. But his position was, I have improved so much 817 00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,559 since then. I've had a lot more fights since, I've had a lot 818 00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,000 more experience than I became a world champion. Obviously beat Lawrence so Cole, 819 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,880 who was a good fighter in that way class, he beat the mandatory in 820 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,719 Maasternek, and now he fights the rematch against Rick and Porey, and so 821 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:08,159 his perspective was, yeah, I know I lost to a guy, you 822 00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:12,679 know, back in like twenty nineteen, but it doesn't have any bearing on 823 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,480 the fight. I didn't necessarily believe that, So that was one of my 824 00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:17,400 reasons. So, you know, Jill Smith, he continues, I gotta 825 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,280 stop picking against him, and he continues to right, you know, he's 826 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,920 and again, maybe I'm just wrong about this. I don't. I don't 827 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,360 think I am. He's a very much of an overachiever. He's the kind 828 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,760 of guy and I say this about different fighters all the time. If I'm 829 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,000 like a scout and I want to sign guys, I'd always want to sign 830 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,320 the guy with the B talent but the A plus work ethic and mentality. 831 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,239 Then the guy with the A plus talent but doesn't you know that doesn't isn't 832 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,800 going to live up to the potential because they don't live in and breathe, 833 00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:50,119 or they don't work ethic, yeah yeah, or the mentality. Chris Bill 834 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,719 Smith is the kind of guy who is getting every ounce of what he has 835 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,760 out of his natural ability, which is just simply not at the same level 836 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,920 as a lot of other fighters. And he he's good at getting you to 837 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,320 fight. Yes, he's clear him by the way, it's good. It's 838 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,639 it's a good strategy that he gets guys to fight his type of fight close 839 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:14,719 quarters. Uh scoring Uh, you know, inside out slugging guys. That's 840 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,039 the way he fights and it's worked for him to this point. And let's 841 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,599 see. He said I'd love to come to the United States and have a 842 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,159 bigger fight. Let's see if that happens for him in the cruiserweight division. 843 00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:27,159 I mean I watched him. Zerda Ramirez is the WBA champion. Him and 844 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,639 him and the zero is a good fight, you know, the i BF 845 00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:35,239 and Lineil. He's involved with these fights that are taking place, uh, 846 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,880 you know, with the Saudi's and the real season. He's gonna probably fight 847 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,239 in in Uh. I mean, he's gonna probably fight in September twenty first 848 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,800 in UH in England on on the on the Rea season card. The other 849 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,400 champion is the WC champion one on the callion. He's the don King fighter. 850 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,719 Was supposed to have fought on the Broner under card a couple weeks ago, 851 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,199 but he had an injury so the fight was called off. But uh, 852 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:57,559 every one of those sport fighters have belts in that weight class. If 853 00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:59,800 you mix the match him, I believe would make for a very interesting, 854 00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,039 entertaining fight. We'll see. But Billan Smith, uh, he's got some 855 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,960 good action that he can do with In the UK, there's other contenders and 856 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,679 and it's a it's a pretty healthy weight class over there. So it's cool 857 00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,199 that he wants to travel and come to America, and I would certainly have 858 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,599 welcomed that. But uh, he's got such a great fan base there, 859 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,079 you know. I know this fight was in Ric Poy's hometown. That's an 860 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:21,119 our thing. I know they both from England, but he he fought and 861 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,280 defended his tittle in the other man's hometown. He Rictory is from London, 862 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,400 you know, not close to where Billan Smith is from. So you know, 863 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,440 good win for him. It wasn't the best I mean, I'll be 864 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,760 honest, I didn't get a chance to watch the entirety of the fight. 865 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,559 I've been I was so busy with what was going on with Tank Davis and 866 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,400 writing my stories on that, and then I had, you know, a 867 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,280 long day of travel cross country. I've not had the opportunity yet to sit 868 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,880 and watch the complete fight. I'll do it eventually, But from what I've 869 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,199 been reading and hearing is that maybe wasn't like Tomo was attract to fighting the 870 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,800 world rickor Pory got the point that deducted late in the in the twelfth round, 871 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,440 and there was a little bit of sloppiness, but I'll check it out, 872 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,079 but it seems like no one is arguing that it was in fact Chris 873 00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:58,119 Millin Smith who was the well worthy. William Smith was getting the better of 874 00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,119 the exchanges throughout the fight and was the winner. And he moves on. 875 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,039 He keeps delivering and he's active. By the way, what we've been preaching 876 00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:08,639 even on this podcast, that we reward the activity. Okay, some news, 877 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:10,559 some nostalgia, and then we've done. Then we're gonna be done. 878 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,960 We've been here a little bit, as I always like to say, Uh, 879 00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,079 you found out while in Vegas that Premiere Boxing Champions is looking at a 880 00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:22,159 non pay per view in August. What do we know at this point on 881 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,159 when that might be coming and a name or two that might be part of 882 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:30,840 it, So go ahead. So when the PBC and Amazon Prime announced their 883 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,000 agreement, it was very pay per view heavy in the announcement, but it 884 00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:39,159 was very crystal clear that they did plan to do events that were non pay 885 00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:44,519 per view. And I am a very very strong believer that you know, 886 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,400 you were able to do a slew of pay per views with the current roster 887 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,679 they have. But when those pay per view fighters peter out, who's going 888 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,000 to come behind them and replace them. If you don't do fights at the 889 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,199 Public and seek, you're not gonna people that are gonna tell me by the 890 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,719 show, So you have to develop pay perview attractions on a non pay per 891 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,199 view way of viewing it. So they hadn't done any they were supposed to. 892 00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:05,480 I was told they were going to do their first non pay per view 893 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,800 in June. I don't know why that didn't happen, but it didn't happen. 894 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,719 Obviously, they're not doing a show of any kind in the month of 895 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,719 July, but August is supposed to be a non pay per view show. 896 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:16,280 I don't know where it's going to take place. I would I would imagine 897 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,159 it'll be someplace in Vegas. I don't think they're going to do a big 898 00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,840 Grand Garden arena fight necessarily, but it will happen in August. I am 899 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,760 told the date is either August tenth or August seventeenth, so mid month, 900 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,000 dead of summer, and the fighters that are being ticketed for that, Caleb 901 00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:35,320 Plant, the former super middleweight title holder, is going to be on that 902 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,840 card, assuming they get that all wrapped up. Be good to see him 903 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,239 back in the ring, and along with him, the other fighter that they're 904 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,039 talking about being on there is the return of Stephen Fulton, who hasn't fought 905 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:46,639 since he got knocked up by I Know you in a way when in a 906 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:51,760 way became the unif you know, he lost his unified super or is unified 907 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,880 junior featherweight titles to in a way last summer and he's been out out of 908 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,920 the ring for a bit. In terms of kayleab Plant, I have not 909 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,239 heard any particular rumor specific about who his opponent would be. When I wrote 910 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,159 and I wrote, some people were a musing and saying, well, maybe 911 00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:07,480 he fight Andre was coming up the lost of Benavides. That would be a 912 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:13,760 perfectly reasonable fight in terms of Fulton by all accounts, And what I was 913 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,159 told is his opponent, and I think Fulton I didn't see this, but 914 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,800 I think Fulton put it somewhere on his social media that his opponent's probably going 915 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,559 to be Ronnie Rios, who is the former world title challenger in the lower 916 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:27,320 weight class, but they're going to fight. He's moving up to featherweight Ronnie 917 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,840 fought for a title at one twenty two. So basically, it's the two 918 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,039 guys that used to be junior featherweights fighting in the featherweight division. And I 919 00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:36,000 saw Steven Fulton and Caleb Plant when I was out in Vegas. They were 920 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,920 both at the show, and you know, let's put it like this, 921 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,320 Well, they didn't get into the details. Neither one of them was then 922 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,239 I'd already reported when I reported, but neither one of them denied the report. 923 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,800 I'll put it to you like that. That's always a good way to 924 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,480 find out what's going on. They didn't deny it, all right, Listen, 925 00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:54,519 I'm looking for you know. I'm happy to see Caleb back in the 926 00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:57,400 action. Also, he had a very good fight and he gave a great 927 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,199 effort in in what the distance with Benavidia's in March. I want to see 928 00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:05,920 Fulton back in the learning because he he's a guy that I still think that 929 00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,920 can do something in the featherweight division, maybe even one thirty. He's a 930 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:14,320 very good boxer. Yeah, I can't really hold a knock geut lost in 931 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,960 a way against anybody because in a way, such a freaking beast. And 932 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,800 by the way, You've talked to Brandon Figarola in the past, and that 933 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,320 was a tremendous fight now going on about two and a half three years ago. 934 00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:27,039 Shelf life may be waning, but that could be looming at whatever weight. 935 00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,840 That has some appeal that it's a rematch because Figarola believes he won that 936 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,519 fight. It was a close decision, so who knows. Who knows for 937 00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:38,039 Fulton down the road. Something that broke after our podcast was put to bed 938 00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:42,599 Thursday when you were in Vegas, but we did talk about it some on 939 00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:46,159 the bet US Live show on Friday. The announcement though not unexpected, as 940 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:51,639 you explained that Leonard LERB and Mayweather Promotions have split, and a lot of 941 00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,199 it has to do with Tank Davis. We saw Leonard in the ring smiling 942 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:59,559 with Tank Davis after the win on Saturday night. So fill in the blanks 943 00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,719 here on what's going on. In particular, you're making the point Mayweather Promotions 944 00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,079 talk about inactivity, not exactly active as a promotional outlet right now. But 945 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,360 give us, give us some more details real quick. Yeah, I mean 946 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,320 I can't. I don't know every single detail, and there's you know, 947 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,119 depending on who you believed you know, I think a lot of misinformation, 948 00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,039 but the bottom line is this, Leonard Ellerby is no longer going to be 949 00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,719 the CEO of Mayweather Promotions. They termed it in terms of Mayweather Promotions, 950 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,480 announcement is resignation. I think he got his ass kick to the curb. 951 00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:30,000 He asked me, because Floyd is a very mercurial guide was pissed off that 952 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:35,760 Leonard is being the guy that's assisting Tank Davis. He knows him for years. 953 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,559 They promoted him together at Mayweather Promotions for years. But Tank is no 954 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:42,760 longer with Mayweather Promotions. He's obviously had a falling out with Floyd and he 955 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,639 hired Leonard to work on his behalf for these events. And Leonard does a 956 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:47,960 good job with that, and you know, he's good at what he does. 957 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,880 And I don't think Floyd liked that. And so it's just like typical 958 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,280 Floyd. If you go back to the years when him and pak Ya were 959 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,960 competing for the attention in front of the pound for pound number one, and 960 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,960 they still had not fought each other, and they were fighting common opponents. 961 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,559 You go to Mayweather or you remember, sorry, you go to a pack 962 00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,400 Yall fight in Vegas, and you knew that, like the night before the 963 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,199 fight or Thursday night, there were gonna be some kind of announcement from Floyd 964 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,960 Mayweather to fuck you up and try to steal the spot. Like it happened 965 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,199 more than once, I think, if I remember correctly, it was a 966 00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:21,119 pack y'all fight when Floyd announced he was coming out of retirement and the rumors 967 00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:23,039 had broken and he was gonna fight one Nanuel Marquez and they end up having 968 00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:25,760 a press conference like that weekend. I mean, it was just ridiculous. 969 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,159 So Floyd's always trying to one up, and I think he was trying to 970 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,480 ruin tanks a week he put up the bullshit on his Instagram about how the 971 00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:36,079 fight was canceled when it wasn't. I mean, he's like a forty something 972 00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,239 year old man. I mean he acting like he's in second grade. I 973 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,880 mean, my son's in fifth grade. He's more mature than that shit. 974 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:46,519 So when you when you started to introduce this topic, you said that it 975 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:52,079 was expected. I don't think anybody I didn't expect that Mayweather and Leonard would 976 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,599 break apart. They've been together for thirty years. I mean Leonard started out 977 00:56:54,639 --> 00:57:00,199 with Floyd knowing his uncle Roger and his I think that's how they got together. 978 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,039 And when Floyd turned pro, Leonard was part of the camp. He 979 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,360 worked as Floyd's strength coach, strength and conditioning coach, and then ultimately, 980 00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:13,440 you know, went to work for Floyd full time, not just in that 981 00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,800 capacity, but you know, he worked in the corner, helped develop his 982 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,760 business obviously, you know later on when he was doing the humongous fights, 983 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,320 became you know, indispensable in terms of the right hand man in the business 984 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,920 side of things as well as still in the gym, and then became in 985 00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:30,840 charge of Mayweather Promotions, which at one point was promoting shows. They had 986 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,519 a non televised local series to try to develop fighters that they did at one 987 00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:37,920 of the smaller casinos in Vegas. They had showbox events, They had their 988 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,679 young prospects that appeared on Floyd's cards, so they were pretty active. They 989 00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,719 had guys appearing on some of the PBC undercards. But they haven't done anything 990 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,800 lately, and so if Leonard's no longer there, even if he was there, 991 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,440 there was nothing for him to do because I have no broadcast deal. 992 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,639 They only have a handful of fighters. You know, the only one that's 993 00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:59,920 a real consequence. They think the young kid Kermel mouton that people may have 994 00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,239 scene. He ended up appearing on the preliminary card back in March, and 995 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,719 that was because the Elijah Garcia fight got postponed, so they were able to 996 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:14,199 put Kermel onto the television part or the streaming anyway. So it's a dormant 997 00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:16,519 company essentially. But the interesting thing now, Okay, so they split apart, 998 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,480 whose ever side you believe, whatever it is, the bottom line is 999 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,719 they're not working together. But what Floyd did is he has brought back Richard 1000 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,000 Schaeffer, who was the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions for a very long time, 1001 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,159 was the co founder of that company with Oscar, and even though Oscar 1002 00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,119 and Floyd did test each other like a disease, it was Richard Shaeffer who 1003 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,679 was the one that was close to Floyd. That was the reason why Golden 1004 00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:44,039 Boy Promotions ended up promoting most of the big mega Floyd Mayweather fights, both 1005 00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:45,559 at the end of his tenure at HBO as well as when he was with 1006 00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:50,880 Showtime when he did that big fat contract of vot Canelo and Guerrero and Maydonna 1007 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,079 twice and all those huge fights. So it'll be interesting if Shaeffer can, 1008 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,320 you know, do what he did when he was at Golden Boy and they 1009 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,400 worked very closely with Al Hayman. Uh, He's got his work cut out 1010 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,039 for him, because I don't care if you've got Richard Schaffer or Leonard Llerb 1011 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,719 or Bob Aram or Don King or pick a great promoter around or Eddie Hearn 1012 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,880 or Frank Warny going down, what do you fundamentally have to have? You 1013 00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:16,119 have to have a broadcast and broadcast partners and a broadcast partner, right, 1014 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,920 they can they have they can sign fighters. There's talented fighters and and they're 1015 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,639 you know, Floyd is good at identifying talented fighters, and Richard his experience 1016 00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:27,760 and he knows good matchmakers. Getting the talent's not the problem. There's a 1017 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,199 lot of fighters that would love to sign with with Floyd and work with Richard, 1018 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:35,159 I believe. But if you don't have a broadcaster, if you don't 1019 00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:37,559 have a partner that puts up any money, you have nothing. So the 1020 00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:43,559 onus will be on him to deliver some type of revenue based on a broadcast 1021 00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:45,840 deal. Otherwise you're just another promoter that doesn't you know, that's going to 1022 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,239 farm guys out that put on small shows and it doesn't work, you know, 1023 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,480 at least at the big time level. So you know. And but 1024 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:55,159 I'll tell you this, I've known Richard twenty five years practically. Uh, 1025 00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:59,800 Richard knows the business and and Richard's a good promoter. And we'll see if 1026 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,519 he can works in magic with Floyd's people. One more item and then the 1027 01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:08,679 nostalgia, and that is the w b A speaking of the Monster in a 1028 01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:12,800 way and him being Stephen Fulton. They say to the Monster, we got 1029 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:17,960 another opponent for you, m j Akmadaliev that he's their mandatory challenger, the 1030 01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:21,920 former unified champion in the division. All right, so what do we make 1031 01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:23,559 of this? It's one thing that the w b A is saying you two 1032 01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:28,239 should fight. We keep going over this with Canelo and purse bids, and 1033 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,800 you order this guy to fight. What do we make of this? Damn 1034 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,119 Well, this is certainly a lot, lot, lot, lot lot better 1035 01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:38,840 than than order. William. I think I got I got four lots in 1036 01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:42,519 on that. That's good. I think it was more. I mean, 1037 01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:45,800 Akman Daliv is a real guy. He's a former champion. He's an outstanding 1038 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,880 fighter, uh you know, just has the one loss, uh you know, 1039 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,719 really really good fighter. He got the loss by by a very close 1040 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,000 decision to Topolis when he lost the belts, and then obviously the Palis later 1041 01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,599 got demolished by in a way, but he's the mandatory for the WBA. 1042 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,840 But the thing that's confusing to I think some people is that after in a 1043 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,480 way won his most recent fight against Louis neary Back, you know, a 1044 01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:08,840 few weeks ago in the Tokyo Dome, the IBF mandatory Sam Goodman from Australia 1045 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,800 was there in the ring, and then soon after that he scheduled another fight, 1046 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,639 and people were like, why is he schedule a fight when he's supposed 1047 01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:16,719 to be up next for anyway later in here. Why would you risk that 1048 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:21,800 position for just a regular old fight in Australia, not even against a big 1049 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,840 name. I guess the way it seems to me no one's articulated this, 1050 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,480 but it seems clear by the actions that Goodman is just not going to go 1051 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,840 for the mandatory. And so I don't know if the timing expired, but 1052 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,519 the WBA has taken their opportunity now to order the MJ fight. So from 1053 01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:40,159 my perspective, I would much rather see in a way fight Achmadalia than Goodman. 1054 01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:42,920 Nothing against Goodman, but if you have to pick one of the other, 1055 01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:45,199 I'll pick up all day. Akman Dive is a good technician. He's 1056 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,599 very experienced. I don't necessarily think he necessarily beats in a way. But 1057 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,119 if you're looking down there, you know any kind of independent rankings of fighters 1058 01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,400 at one hundred and twenty two pounds, and that he has not already defeated, 1059 01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:58,400 and m j Ackmandive is about as good of an opponent as you can 1060 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,679 get. So they gave him thirty days, which is normal standard procedure. 1061 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:06,039 They have until July thirteenth, July fourteenth to negotiate an agreement, and if 1062 01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:08,760 they don't make one, they'll order a purse bid. I suspect unless something 1063 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,280 whacky happens, I guess they'll probably go through this because he's still you know, 1064 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,599 just because it's a mandatory, it doesn't make it a not a good 1065 01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:17,719 fight. If again, if you're looking down rankings, Zach Mendive is probably 1066 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:23,559 about the best guy you can pick from. He has accomplishment, and he 1067 01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:27,119 is a mandatory. I think in a way, you know, prides himself 1068 01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:29,320 on the belts. At this point, he probably would like to still defend 1069 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:30,840 them before he moves up, you know, in the in the in the 1070 01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:36,119 near future, let's say next year and go ahead and make the mandatory. 1071 01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,400 I mean, it's a worthy fight, and I guess they'll try to work 1072 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,920 it out. I mean, no one's gonna I mean, I don't think 1073 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,199 they're gonna let a fight like that go to pers bid because number one, 1074 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,559 as the champion, you have so much of the percentage you can win. 1075 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,280 Even if you make a side deal with your fighter, there'd be no reason 1076 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,119 for them to press for a purse bit on this. And you know Eddie 1077 01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:57,800 hearn is the promoter that works with Achmadalie of I would think they'd be able 1078 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,039 to make a deal and let's get on a good good but one twenty two. 1079 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,440 It's every bit is good on paper as it would have been a fee 1080 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,119 when he was fighting Luis Nary. So that's the fight they ordered, and 1081 01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:08,519 I guess Sam Goodman is going to take the pass at this moment. That's 1082 01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:13,000 just what it seems like. I've not heard anything definitive, but I say 1083 01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,599 bring out in a way versus Acmundalith. He's coming back, you know, 1084 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,239 in a few months, and uh, you know that's a good matchup like 1085 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,559 that, all right. Nostalgia Sunday As we released the podcast into Monday, 1086 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:29,079 the seventy third birthday for Roberto Duran. We've been talking recently about Sugar Ray 1087 01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:31,400 Leonard's birthday, the late Marvin Hagler's birthday. It is fascinating for the four 1088 01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:36,639 Kings. Their birthday is all kind of around together in the same three week 1089 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,280 or four week period here in and around the late May, early to mid 1090 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:49,280 June area. The hands of Stone seventy three years young Dan Rayphaield simply one 1091 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,000 of the greatest fighters to ever lays on gloves. I know a lot of 1092 01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:53,840 people who do know about Duran, they think and that all they think about 1093 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,840 is when he quit against Sugar Ray Leonard in the rematch, the No Mos 1094 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,559 fight. I mean the fact that he's that that's obviously you can't ignore that. 1095 01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:05,599 That's a tremendous part of his overall legacy in boxing. But how his 1096 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:11,440 greatness is so great that that's it's important, But it's for a lot of 1097 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,559 guys that would be the you know, the Scarlett letter they would wear forever. 1098 01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:17,679 But Duran is such a great fighter and being so many great guys and 1099 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,679 had so much accomplishment, was in so many great fights, such a beloved 1100 01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:25,559 figure both in his home country at Panama, and became a worldwide figure that 1101 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,079 even though you know, we saw that situation unfold in the rematch against Sugar 1102 01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:32,360 Ray Leonard, you cannot ignore all the greatness of this guy has. First 1103 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,320 of all, I absolutely adore Roberto Durant. I love him. I love 1104 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,800 him as a fighter. I've grown to love him as a person as I've 1105 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,199 got to know him a little bit over the last several years. I've been 1106 01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:44,199 around him at a number of events and spent some time with him, you 1107 01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:46,440 know, hung out at bars with him, and just as wonderful a human 1108 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,840 being as you can imagine, just such a just loves of life and loves 1109 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,880 boxing, and all you want to do is hug the guy, and like 1110 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,960 he's like the pied piper, you know, He's kind of like there's a 1111 01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,559 few people like that that no matter where he goes, he gets a crowd 1112 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,719 and everybody is just thrilled to see him. They just want to be near 1113 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,000 him touch him. It's sort of like when I would have the same experiences 1114 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,519 when I would be with Emmanuel Stewart at events. I mean, that's just 1115 01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:12,760 the type of guy that Duran has become, just a just a great, 1116 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,400 great person and a fucking animal in the ring at his best. I mean, 1117 01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:20,679 he is widely regarded, rightly so in my opinion, as the single 1118 01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:25,480 greatest lightweight of all time. And the thing that's so crazy about that is 1119 01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:30,480 the fights that he's most famous for are don't even include his bign at lightweight, 1120 01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:32,039 because he's known for the Four Kings fights. Those were fights that took 1121 01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:36,000 place at welterweight and above. I mean, he's a guy that had been 1122 01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:39,760 the lightweight champion, he went up to welterweight, he had, you know, 1123 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,760 a few fights before he fought Sugar Ray Letter, but he hung that 1124 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,920 first loss on Ray in their first meeting, which was the first bout of 1125 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:49,039 what became the nine fight round robin between the Four Kings. Obviously, he 1126 01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:51,920 lost the rematch in the No Mos fight, you know, in the immediate 1127 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,079 rematch, but he went on. Besides, so if you go back in 1128 01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:59,159 the early part of his career, Hall of Famer Ken Buchanan, he'd beat 1129 01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:02,440 for the lightweight time. He had a trilogy with Estemondejesus who's also a Hall 1130 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,079 of Famer. He beat him for the WBC lightweight title. When he moved 1131 01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:09,320 up, he defeated Ray Leonard. He jumped up two way classes. He 1132 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,079 didn't stop and uh then fight for a title at one he may have had 1133 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:15,159 won forty fights, but his next title fight was against Sugar Ray Leonard, 1134 01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:18,920 and he beat the prime Ray Leonard. I mean Ray, that was his 1135 01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:23,840 first loss. This was Ray. That was just you know, with an 1136 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:29,079 arrow going to the moon and uh and and Ray Ray Ray got beat that 1137 01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:30,960 night. And by the way, it was a classic fight. I mean 1138 01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:35,119 Sugar Ray Leonard Rivert durand it's a fucking great fight. Went to Leonard made 1139 01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:39,599 the mistake of going toe to toe with the hands of stone and got beat 1140 01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:44,440 that night. And I believe in the Four Kings documentary that the showtime great 1141 01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:47,360 documentary by Matt Whitecross another shout out to him that was it was after that 1142 01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:50,920 fight that the President of Panama, this is how you know that you have 1143 01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:55,320 the stroke, This is how you know you have the people. But the 1144 01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:00,760 president of Panama lent Duran his private plane to utilize and Duran was gone for 1145 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,800 so long that after ten days apparently something like that, the president is calling 1146 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,320 Duran and his people, can I get my plane back? That's how you 1147 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,719 know how big Duran was. He was bigger than the president of Panama. 1148 01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,880 Huge. So the thing about it is like he went on to win other 1149 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,320 world titles. But you have to remember after he suffered the loss to Ray 1150 01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:21,280 in the rematch with the No Mos fight, it wasn't just that he lost, 1151 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,480 it said he quit and that I mean that was just like incredibly unheard 1152 01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:30,840 of, especially for a fighter that was considered such a beastlow way where Berta 1153 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,280 Duran was. So he won a couple of small fights the thing to speak 1154 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,480 of that were anything you know that with anything spectacular, and then when he 1155 01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:39,960 finally got another chance to fight for a title, he fought very well, 1156 01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:43,880 but he lost in the junior middleway title fight against Wilfrim Benitez. There was 1157 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,599 a Hall of famer who was the fighter that Sugar Rat Leonard had and beaten 1158 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,239 for the welterweight title. Okay, that's a forgivable loss, and he fought 1159 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,840 well in the fight, but then he fought a fighter named Kirkland Lane. 1160 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,960 This is in nineteen eighty two. This is now we're now about a year 1161 01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:01,599 or at two years removed from from the quit the NOMS fight against Leonard. 1162 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,079 This was just a regular kind of guy. He was supposed to roll past 1163 01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:09,719 him and he lost. During magazine picked us as the upset of the year 1164 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,119 in nineteen eighty two, and a lot of people just wrote duran off like, 1165 01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:15,039 you know, okay, in a great career. He was the lightweight 1166 01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,399 champion, won the welterweight title, quit against Ray, couldn't get it done 1167 01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:21,319 against Benitez. Now he loses legit, you know, to this just regular 1168 01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:26,760 old fighter again. He came back, fought one fight, actually fought on 1169 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:32,399 the undercard of the first fight between Alexis Argueo against Aaron Pryor, and he 1170 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,720 won. And then he got a chance, not a title fight, but 1171 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,359 against Peppino Quavis, who was another top welterweight of the time. They fought 1172 01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:42,000 in the you know, slightly above the weight and he knocked him out in 1173 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,359 the fourth round and that was like an eye opening kind of win. And 1174 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,399 what that did was it got him a shot for the title against Davey Moore, 1175 01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,560 who was only twelve to zero but was considered like a superstar on the 1176 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:55,119 rise, and you know he's gonna beat Duran. It was like the perfect 1177 01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:57,880 sort of thing. We'll get this old guy, we'll give him the shot, 1178 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:02,479 and we'll launch Davy Moore off the back of the defeated Roberto Duran. 1179 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,399 The night well, guess what, they went to Madison Square Garden and Roberto 1180 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:15,000 Duran delivered an absolute ass kicking a destruction at beat Down and slaughtered Davy Moore 1181 01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:16,920 that night. And I've talked to people. I always talk about the experience 1182 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:23,039 of being at Madison Square Garden on the night that Felix Trinidad defeated William Joppi 1183 01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:26,760 and the atmosphere and the electricity, or when he came back and came out 1184 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,439 of retirement to fight in my Orga, or the electricity of some of the 1185 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,760 Miguel Cota fights, like the rematch against Margarito. And I know people, 1186 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:36,640 particularly top rank people that were at both of those events in terms of Coto 1187 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,399 because they promoted the Duran morphight as well as the Coda fight, and they'll 1188 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,880 tell you that there's nothing that they could ever possibly imagine other than maybe the 1189 01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:49,319 night that Muhammad Ali fought Joe Frasier in Madison Square Garden, that will ever 1190 01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:57,760 top the joy and the explosion of happiness and electricity when Duran just pummeled and 1191 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,640 beat up Davey Moore. So that was a Houston. This is all stuff 1192 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:05,159 that he did post the Leonard fight, what part of his greatness And besides 1193 01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:08,720 that, after that he was back. He then lost to Hagler, lost 1194 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,840 to Hearns, but that he was already so entrenched in these Four Kings fights 1195 01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,720 and he's still Now that's nineteen eighty three, when he beats Davey Moore, 1196 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,279 Now he's an old man nineteen eighty nine. You know, he's not gonna 1197 01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:19,359 win. He's just a name. He's kind of playing out the string. 1198 01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:23,279 But he's still popular. He can make some money, put him on TV. 1199 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,159 He goes in a great fight, a fight of the Air type fight, 1200 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,000 and he beats Iran Barkley from the middleweight title. I mean, he 1201 01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:31,560 never defended that. That was near the end of his career. He ended 1202 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,640 up losing the third fight to Ray Leonard. But to go think about the 1203 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,960 span of this man's career. In nineteen seventy two, he beats a Hall 1204 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,600 of famer Ken Buchanan for the lightweight title. Fast forward now to nineteen eighty 1205 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,439 nine. How many years different is? That's seventeen seventy powards school math tells 1206 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:54,840 us that seventeen years and he wins the middleweight title. This man is fucking 1207 01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:59,640 great. This is a legend. When I hear people talk about certain fighters 1208 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,119 from today, he's a great fighter. This guy's a great fighter. Maybe 1209 01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:06,319 they'll become great, but they're not great fighters. They're good fighters, and 1210 01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:11,039 they're doing their job and they're winning and we're excited. But the word great 1211 01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:15,079 gets thrown around too easy. Roberto Durant is a true great period. Happy 1212 01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:19,800 birthday to the hands of stone living legend. He and Leonard arguably the two 1213 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:25,640 biggest living legends that are out there. The Hearns knockout anniversary is this weekend. 1214 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,239 That's forty years ago, by the way, good lord, and we 1215 01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:32,079 don't speak of that fight in this household. Well, but yeah, but 1216 01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:39,119 Thomas Hearns on that night, and that's set into motion on the Four Kings, 1217 01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:42,720 the Hagler fight. After that, all right, one more piece of 1218 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:47,000 nostalgia and then we've got to scoot And that is an excellent one. You 1219 01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:50,199 mentioned before about Oscar de la Hoya, about Sugar Shane Mosley, about all 1220 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:55,319 the great fighters fighting in the MGM Grand Garden Arena. Let's talk about Shane 1221 01:11:55,359 --> 01:12:01,039 Moseley on June seventeenth, which is Monday two thousand in seventeenth, now twenty 1222 01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:05,479 four years ago, beat Oscar bale Hoya. Wow, you were there ringside. 1223 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:11,239 What do you remember about that night? So this was their first fight. 1224 01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:14,359 This was the fight they fought at Staple Center in Los Angeles. Now 1225 01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:16,399 right, the second fight was at the MGM. This the first fight. 1226 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,880 The second fight was for the Jummer middleweight title. The first fight was for 1227 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:25,039 the welterweight title. But the thing about it was, well, it was 1228 01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:28,039 a big deal because Stable Center was still a pretty new building at that time, 1229 01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:30,960 and it was the first time they ever hosted a boxing match and they 1230 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,399 put the two Los Angeles fighters to you know, the Dela Hoye was an 1231 01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,520 established superstar. Shane was making his name. He obviously was known by the 1232 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,720 boxing fans. He had been the lightweight champion. He had made eight eight 1233 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,119 title defenses at lightweight, all by knockout. He had moved up. He 1234 01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:46,279 skipped over the one hundred and forty pound way class. He took two fights 1235 01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:51,760 at welterweight against Wilfredo Rivera and Willie Wise. This is you know on HBO, 1236 01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:56,560 and they were looking to do the Delahiya fight. Now, Oscar and 1237 01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,920 Shane where a friend friendly from being children, I mean they had been all 1238 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,720 through the amateur ranks together. They had sparred and box as amateurs. And 1239 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,600 as a matter of fact, when Shane was upset by Vernon Forrest and did 1240 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,479 not get a chance to go to fight in the nineteen ninety two Olympic Games, 1241 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,720 he was a cool enough guy and Shane was always a nice guy. 1242 01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:19,479 He actually went and helped Oscar de la Hoya prepare for his own Olympic campaign 1243 01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:26,720 by sparring with him, that classy move. But their fight was always something 1244 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,720 that everybody knew was going to have to happen, bragging rates for la World 1245 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,920 Welterweight Championship. Known each other for a long time, two dynamic fighters, 1246 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,319 two superb pound for pound kind of guys, great power, great speed, 1247 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,880 skills, great amateur backgrounds. I mean it was destiny, which, by 1248 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,880 the way, that's what they named the pay per view Destiny. Now, 1249 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,079 for me, this was a big fucking deal. Okay, maybe in boxing 1250 01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:51,880 was a big fucking deal also, but for me personally, and the reason 1251 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:57,479 is because even though I had started covering boxing for USA Today and I'd been 1252 01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,000 hired in February of two thousand, I started working in USA Today in March 1253 01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:04,960 of two thousand and had covered several fights before this June fight against Dale, 1254 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,159 between Deloy and Shane Mosey. For me personally, I always consider this as 1255 01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:15,119 my first super fight, my first really big fucking big time fight. No 1256 01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:17,720 disrespect to LENNYX Lewis's heavyweight championship defense, but to me, this was the 1257 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,720 big one. First time I ever went to California in my life, first 1258 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,640 time I was ever in Los Angeles, first time I ever met Oscar Dela 1259 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,319 Roye in person, first time I met Shane Moseley in person, first time 1260 01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:30,560 I met Bob Aram and most of the staff from Top Rank in person. 1261 01:14:30,279 --> 01:14:33,039 A lot of shit went on that I have so many memories of that. 1262 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,720 I'll tell you one thing that was just still to this day, I can 1263 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,399 still picture the scene and I can still feel what I felt like I had 1264 01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:45,359 done a very extensive piece about this fight for USA Today, detailing the relationship 1265 01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:48,840 between Shane and Oscar as kids and their sparring together. And a couple of 1266 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,800 days before the fight, we had gone to the Staples Center to the chick 1267 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:57,039 Hern press room and we had watched a video it was maybe like ten minutes 1268 01:14:57,399 --> 01:15:01,439 of Oscar and Shane's sparring with each other that that Jack Moseley, Shane's father 1269 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:06,000 and trainer, had gotten because Shane's mother had saved all this stuff and they 1270 01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:11,159 dug out the video of this sparring. See I'm using it mode to fight. 1271 01:15:11,279 --> 01:15:15,039 So you know, fifty sports writers are sitting in the Staples Center press 1272 01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:17,399 room watching not anything particular. They're basically just throwing jabs at each other. 1273 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,359 But that was part of my story. So anyway, if I write the 1274 01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:25,119 story, story comes down the paper and I'm staying again. I touched my 1275 01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:28,319 first time being in Los Angeles. I'm in a downtown LA hotel for the 1276 01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:32,239 media hotel. I wake up on purpose. Early in those days, you'd 1277 01:15:32,279 --> 01:15:35,960 go to any big, you know, city hotel, and you'd open up 1278 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,239 the door your hotel and they would put the USA Today at everybody's doorstep, 1279 01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:43,000 like they give it out free at the airports, et cetera. So you've 1280 01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,159 said this before. I know what's coming. I know what's coming. I 1281 01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:47,800 know. So I open up the door to get the paper because I was 1282 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,279 so excited because I thought I had written a really good story and I was 1283 01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:53,279 excited to see how they put it in the papers. I didn't I know 1284 01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:55,239 what I wrote, but I didn't see how they were going to make it 1285 01:15:55,319 --> 01:15:57,800 look and you know, pretty it up and everything. So I opened the 1286 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,239 door, I reached out, I grabbed the paper, and I look down 1287 01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:04,239 the hallway on both sides and every door sta has the paper. And I'm 1288 01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:08,000 like, damn, everybody in the world is going to see this story. 1289 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,800 You know who reads the sports section. I was so fucking excited. You 1290 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,119 know, it's my first really big fight, my first time in LA. 1291 01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,680 I'm meeting all these people that I've not met before, like the main people 1292 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,079 in the sport of boxing, you know. Deloy is like with the biggest 1293 01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:23,000 star out there. And I've gotten to write this piece which I thought came 1294 01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:24,920 out well. I have to dig up. I have the clip that I 1295 01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,239 actually have the physical clipping somewhere in a bag where I've saved some of my 1296 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,159 early clippings from USA Today, and so that was the story. It was 1297 01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:35,000 well received, and a couple of days later they went out. I think 1298 01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:39,239 that story ran in the paper like Thursday before the fight, maybe Friday before 1299 01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:42,680 the fight, and then Saturday was the fight, and it lived up to 1300 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,840 every possible expectation. This is truly a sensational fight. The second fight that 1301 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,439 they had, I didn't really think that was a very good fight. It 1302 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,239 was controversial and that the action was not anything to write home or not, 1303 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:58,079 but Shane Moseley and Oscar Deloya were both dominating physical presences, both at the 1304 01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:01,680 top of their game. Specta tacular fucking fight to this day, one of 1305 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,279 the great fights in my mind, one of my favorite fights of all time 1306 01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:08,920 that I ever watched or covered. I still have vivid memories of being a 1307 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,680 ringside and if you've ever watched the fight, there's a moment in the twelfth 1308 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,000 round where they are just going after it because everybody sort of thinks the fights 1309 01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:19,640 on the table and you know, Lampley, who's doing the paper you for 1310 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:24,800 HBO, has got the classic call. You know they're you know, they're 1311 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,960 both going for the knockout in a classic pitch battle. If I said that 1312 01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:31,079 right, classic pitch and so at one point there's like some heavy punches that 1313 01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:34,479 they exchanged. I never forget this. Oscar got clipped with an uppercut and 1314 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,039 he turned his head and he looked right at me at ringside. I caught 1315 01:17:39,119 --> 01:17:41,359 his eye. I don't know if he caught my eye, but I caught 1316 01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:44,800 his eye right at ringside because the way that his head swiveled when he got 1317 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,079 clobbered with that punch. He looked right in me, dead in the eye. 1318 01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,279 I can I get the chills when I think about it. It's like 1319 01:17:49,319 --> 01:17:54,159 one of those just fleeting moments. But you never forget it. They had 1320 01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:58,159 a spectacular fight. Shane One deservedly the decision, and like I said, 1321 01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:00,800 first ever fight at Staple Center, which has become may Boxing, you know, 1322 01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:05,000 the place for the biggest fights in LA. It was the Ring magazine 1323 01:18:05,079 --> 01:18:08,720 event of the year, that's how big of a fight it was. It 1324 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:13,520 did big numbers on pay per view. It obviously fostered a second fight because 1325 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,640 of the rivalry that they had both as amateurs and as friends and now as 1326 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,600 professionals. I love everything about this fight. That there is to love about 1327 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,399 this fight, right, nostalgia, And I think you told me at one 1328 01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:27,239 point, didn't you go sneak down that hallway and grab a couple of USA 1329 01:18:27,319 --> 01:18:29,119 to day it is just to have the extra ones? Is that the one 1330 01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:30,479 that you did that on I thought you told me you did that. I 1331 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,960 remember, I don't think I have a couple of extra ones for the Rayfield 1332 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,720 collection to be that big of a fight, I don't think. I don't 1333 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,960 think I did that because I could easily when I got back to the office, 1334 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,359 like the next week. It it just got a couple more. But 1335 01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,760 it was that it was that big of a deal, that big of a 1336 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,720 fight, and that was twenty four years ago on Monday. But the most 1337 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:51,359 important thing is if you if you never saw that fight, that is a 1338 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:58,079 true fifty to fifty kind of battle. Oscar, they were basically dead even 1339 01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:00,760 after six round sane, yeah, winning most of the rest of the rounds. 1340 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,079 But it was an awesome, awesome fight and that's the twelfth round at 1341 01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:09,319 Oscar to this day still laments regrets that he didn't fight against Felix Trinidad. 1342 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,840 If you'd have fought that way, maybe he wins the Trinidad decision instead of 1343 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,560 it. I think that was part of it. He bit down and he 1344 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,720 fought Shane with all everything he had in that like twelfth round and didn't because 1345 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,840 I mean, I don't think anybody thought that Oscar was, you know, 1346 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,159 way ahead and going into the round twelve that night, so we kind of 1347 01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:26,239 had to fight it as opposed to the Tito fight. There you go. 1348 01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:30,359 But I still get the chills thinking about catching his eye when he got clipped 1349 01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:33,119 with that shot. Always great nostalgia. All right, my friend, I'm 1350 01:19:33,119 --> 01:19:39,119 glad that you have traveled cross continent and back to Vegas. Great stuff this 1351 01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:42,239 weekend. They can read more on your substack, including the nostalgia of the 1352 01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:45,479 one hundred great you ranked him. You said all that on the substack of 1353 01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,079 the one hundred main events slash and or pay per views at the MGM Grand 1354 01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:53,560 Garden Arena, and we talked all about the Gervonte Davis and David Benavitez wins 1355 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,520 and that whole card, the Liam Paro upset, Chris BILLM Smith win, 1356 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,680 the news, all of it. My friend, gets some rest, good 1357 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,000 work this weekend, and uh and we're back at it again here later in 1358 01:20:03,079 --> 01:20:06,039 the week with all else that's happening and the fights this weekend as the summer 1359 01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:12,680 rocks on excellent stuff. Dan Rayfield in the recap mode, and I think, 1360 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,399 by the way, we got some good stuff coming up because I gotta 1361 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,359 get the times nailed down. But I think we're gonna have two good interviews 1362 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,439 coming up for some uh some upcoming shows soon to be in the ring, 1363 01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,520 soon to be on the podcast before they're in the ring. How's that for 1364 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,720 a tease? A cryptic tea hope. So we got to get we got 1365 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,680 to get everything straight up. But it seems that way. It looks like, 1366 01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,239 yeah, it's why you need to be following or subscribing on this feed, 1367 01:20:31,279 --> 01:20:34,840 Applespreaker, Spotify. It's the fight freaking night recap off the weekend we 1368 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,720 preview with the big fight weekend preview going into the weekend. Dan, have 1369 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,439 a great week, Thank you, my friend. You know what I'm gonna 1370 01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,239 do when we've get done here, You're gonna go to bed. No, 1371 01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:45,319 I'm not. I'm on West Coast time, I'm wide away. I'll be 1372 01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:47,720 up for hours. I'm gonna go on YouTube and I'm gonna watch those hinge 1373 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,760 movie Off to delay, well mostly Oscar Taylor Oya, why not? I 1374 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:55,479 watched the random Davy Moore. There you go, that's the great He did 1375 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,880 thumb Davy Moore in the eye, by the way, and then bombing with 1376 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,119 right hand after right hand and Moore couldn't see. That's another footnote to that, 1377 01:21:01,279 --> 01:21:04,119 that upset point at the garden. All right, my friend, great 1378 01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:09,439 stuff, thank you, have a great week. YouTube. There's Dan Rayphiel. 1379 01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,600 I'm merely TJ Reeves. You've been locked in on the Fight Freaks Unite 1380 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,039 recap podcast. M