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Third lap the podcast with Alejandro Gaviría
and Ricardo Silva Romero, a podcast of

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the locutorio arroba the locutorio of that
This first conversation was not face- to

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- face, it was I,
if memory does not fail me in the

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year two thousand eleven for a social
network, so it was Twitter. Then

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and I remember Ricardo making a comment
at the time that caught my attention from

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the one he disagreed with. He
said the following. The madness of drug

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trafficking framed in these eighties and four
ninety- fours affected football much more than

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cycling. And I replied to Ricardo
saying maybe not Ricardo, maybe that drug

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trafficking madness was almost undifferentiated everywhere.
And I reminded Ricardo in that message of

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the murders of Alfonso Flores and Gonzalo
Marino. Welcome, everyone, to third

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lap. I' m going to
try this time a conversation with Ricardo a

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little different. Ricardo is on vacation, deserved to rest, of course,

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and this time we' re not
going to resort to audios at Whatsapp,

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to that audio exchange at Whatsapp,
but I' m going to leave Ricardo

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alone. I am going to try
a conversation with two of your books,

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I would say, two of your
main books and, in addition, two

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of your books that have a renewed
importance at this juncture. I will put

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it that way, two of his
books that frame a period in the history

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of our country, a period that
goes from one thousand nine hundred and eighty

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- four to one thousand nine hundred
and ninety- four, ten long years

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that marked the history of Colombia forever. I could put it this way I

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think we have not yet recovered from
what happened during this period. I'

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ve scored repeating for two books by
Ricardo, who will already have the opportunity

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to comment in depth. During those
ten years there was the seizure of the

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Palace of Justice, the avalanche of
armero, the murder of three presidential candidates

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in nine hundred and eighty- nine
in a period of eight months, the

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bomb of the daz in that same
year one thousand nine hundred and eighty-

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nine and, in general, an
epidemic of violent crime from which we have

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not yet fully recovered in Colombia,
the transformation of Colombian society on account of

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drug trafficking. I believe that politics
was marked almost in that period became a

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political arctic, but this transformation of
society also affected sport. I couldn'

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t say that football became narco-
football and that cycling was also contaminated by

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this phenomenon, by the irruption of
drug trafficking into Colombian collective social life.

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In many ways, I remembered some
dates preparing this conversation at a distance with

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two books by Ricardo. I recalled
the murder of Alfonso Flores, a cyclist

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who had won the Tour del Avenir
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two. I recalled the murder of
football refereeÁlvaro Ortega. In November of

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one thousand nine hundred and eighty-
nine. I recalled the murder of another

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cyclist who was involved with the Medellín
Cartel, which I followed in my youth

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in Medellín, Gonzalo el Chalo Marín
over there, in April of nineteen hundred

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and ninety to tell this part of
Colombia' s history, taking advantage of

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Ricardo' s books. I want
to go back and forth and start with

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a novel that I read about ten
years ago, about, a novel published

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for the first time in the year
two thousand nine and recently reissued. I

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think this novel is also going to
happen to television or cinema or to a

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series that is being prepared. It
is the autogol novel, a novel that,

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in my opinion, has a witness
value. It is going to say

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this in this way a double witness
value. It is a novel that narrates

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those tragic, absurd, grotesque,
sad events of the murder of Andrés Escobar

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on July 2, 1990, ninety- four. It' s been going

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for thirty years now. We'
d do badly to say good afternoon to

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them. Once again Colombia is filled
with shame. Andrés Escobar, a player

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in the Colombian National Team, was
cowardly murdered in Medellín. Twelve shots blinded

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the life of a man who gave
himself whole or represented the country with dignity.

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But in turn it has another value. You witness and is that you

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describe that world of football inside Ricardo, talking to people, acting as a

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keen reporter, is able to show
us what happens inside the kitchen. Let

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' s say that about the world
of football. There is a story that

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tells this book, which I could
describe as a story of boom and fall.

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This tragic, sad, terrible story. The Andrés Escobar murder. One

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could start it at many times,
but I think it would be worth counting

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from September one year before September one
thousand nine hundred and ninety- three,

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when it is the five zero with
Argentina. What a stick Rivera is lycating

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as a cantilocative. What a manga, nice, marga, tito, little

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bit, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah? And in the country at

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the time we had a kind of
coincidence. The country was self- destructing,

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drug trafficking, literally destroying our country. But in the meantime, we

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were all dreaming of that bizarre dream
of winning the World Cup with that selection

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that went to the World Cup of
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And this novel, I think,
captures that climate, that contradiction between

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that football illusion and that destruction of
our country. It is a very good

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description of the period Ricardo does it
using some narrative elements I find extraordinary the

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television news, each with his personality, the marks of the different cars circulating

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in that closed economy of that time, very different from those of now.

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But it also describes a moment,
a situation that happens when it reaches the

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Colombia team, the United States,
in particular California, believing that it will

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win the World Cup and settles in
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Hotel Married in Fullerton, and there
coincide journalists, football players, fans and

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there is a kind of euphoric climate
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opinion of Ricardo I believe, also
anticipates the catastrophe what was going to happen

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next, not only the elimination of
Colombia, but the murder of Andrés Escobar.

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For those of you who have the
autobol novel, I' m going

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to read here, on page seventy- five, how Ricardo describes what was

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happening at that Marriot hotel in California. Since we entered the Marrius de Fullerton,

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there were a number of signs that
things were not going to end Very

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well we saw them read, but
we followed straight as a caravan of drunk

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drivers passing a red light. The
show at the hotel was overwhelming. I

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swear to God I saw Santo Domingo
the Magnate eating tray country next to the

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guys of the selection. I have
chiseled in my memory the image of that

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cart painted like the flag of Colombia
that turned the block. I remember listening

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at that time to the different commentators
of what was happening or almost sociological analysis

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and the madness that happened in that
hotel. How these football players were intoxicated

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with victory, how they behaved like
badly bred children and how there what was

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being prepared was not victory, but
a great defeat. Colombia is eliminated from

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the football World Cup. He loses
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loses to the United States and almost
by honor, he wins the last game

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to Switzerland. Ricardo describes in the
book a press conference that I had forgotten.

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Where the technical director of the Colombia
team, Francisco Maturana, came to

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explain what had happened and I find
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at that press conference Maturana brought to
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convergence. There is present at that
press conference the contradiction that I mentioned a

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while ago between the self- destructing
country and this bizarre dream of being world

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football champions. This is how Ricardo
describes it on page one hundred and fifty

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- six of that press conference by
Francisco Maturana. After the elimination of the

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World Cup, we went to the
last press conference of the team led by

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coach Francisco Maturana. Behind the people
of snail RCN and allelar, the serene

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technical director, as in the case
of the death of a loved one,

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recognized that the selection was the reflection
or the country that we lacked in Teresa,

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that it was necessary to rebuild everything. We were cruel to him petty

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creeps, little thing just when we
had to. What I find most interesting

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is that phrase, that phrase by
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His most famous phrase is to lose
winning a little, but this one about

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the Colombian team in a thousand nine
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what was happening in Colombia. What
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separated from what happened in the World
Cup. That autogol takes place on the

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22nd of June of two thousand twenty- four. In the first time,

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I remember well that moment, when
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autogol took place and the dreams of
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I lost it to my own good, go joke or b of Colombia.

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Good time and then, almost two
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July 2, nine hundred and ninety- four, Andrés Escobar was murdered in

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Medellín, on the Via de Las
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Indio restaurant. I' m going
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will read better as Ricardo describes that
moment, a moment that, in my

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opinion, defined much of the madness
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He got into the car and,
instead of taking the road to leave things

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as they were, he headed to
the adjoining parking lot where the black Toyota

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lancrusser truck was parked and memory plated
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which the two Galón brothers were traveling. I wanted it to be clear.

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Andres wanted the elimination not to be
his fault. Andres, the only thing

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that mattered to him at that point
was to say respect please, respect that

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we all know it wasn' t
my fault. He adjusted the retrodusor mirror

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of pure custom, prepared to leave
there, resigned himself to hear the word

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" autogol" loaded with rage under
the hateful eyes of a horde of drunkards,

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squeezed his teeth because someone was raising
his volume to insults and released him

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helpless behind the steering wheel when he
received six bullets on the left side of

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his body. That' s how
the discharge went It left everything pending.

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Andres Moribundo took off on his co- pilot. That happened exactly thirty years

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ago, in the first week of
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hundred and ninety- four. I' m going to tell my personal story.

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With this murder, I traveled to
the United States casually the same scenario,

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to California, south of California,
three weeks later to start my doctoral

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studies, where I went and said
I came from Colombia. This story was

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in everyone' s mouth. I
said I was Colombian, and everyone was

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wondering what happened, what' s
going on in their country. The only

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thing I could say was to tell
the story that I had grown up in

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the same city of Andrés Escobar,
that I had studied at the Jorge Robledo

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Institute, that I had studied it
in a school that was not many blocks

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away, at Calasants College, that
that Calasan school always beat him in football

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to two surrounding schools, that Andrés
Escobar was almost my age and that when

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I thought about what happened. I
just wanted to cry and that I had

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made a personal promise never to go
back to a football stadium. I'

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ve returned that promise. I'
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I believe that since then, since
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I used to go ten, twenty, thirty times a year of football

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matches. I' ve gone very
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more. I can say that this
story, the story of the murder of

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Andrés Escobar, which tells Ricardo eloquently
with great witness value. As I said,

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it marked my generation Back in time
and we reached the most recent book

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by Ricardo Silva Romero, my companion
and friend of the third season. The

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most recent book has the title of
a mythical stage of the France ALP tour

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of West and the triumph of Luis
Herrera de Lucho Herrera de Jardiderito, of

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Pusagasuga, on 16 July of a
thousand nine hundred and eighty- four.

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Also in July, also at this
time, no longer thirty years, but

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forty years earlier, as the beginning
said, among these ten years is contained

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much of the history of Colombia and
it caught my attention when I read Autogol

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And now I read the Ped West
that the same gentlemen appear. Pepe Calderón

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Tobar, the sports commentator, the
narrator, the fat wi Lense and the

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narrator, the most narrator, the
aristocrat Ismael Enrique Monroy, were the protagonists

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of Autogol. It was the voices, the storytellers of the novel who gave

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life to this testimony and I found
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de West this kind of conversation,
as Ricardo, Jing and Yang, prose

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and poetry, Sancho and Don Quixote, Ismael Monroy and Pepe Calderón tovar telling

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us the story of that epic feat
of this amateur cyclist, the first Latin

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American to win a stage of the
Tour de franz in the year nineteen hundred

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and eighty- four, that 16th
of July. I remember well that this

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stage I saw on a small TV
above the university cafeteria. I found it

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interesting to read on page two fifty- eight of Alpe de Wuz the voice

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of Pepe Calderón to drink saying the
following. Whatever happens at the end of

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this cost. My friend, we' ll tell the story and be together.

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The flag that corresponds to life may
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which one arrived first, but it
can also be the days in which the

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goal of the draw turned out to
be an out of place. And the

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answer to the question remained at the
tip of the tongue. In the long

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run, it' s either win
by far or lose by little, because

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everything happens to us to save memories
for the day when it' s our

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turn to spend them all. This
sports commentator, who mixes epic stories with

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the existential poetic reflection that life consists
in maybe that, in accumulating memories for

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the moment we need it, seemed
exciting to me and I think I confess

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a certain spiritual communion with Ricardo when
seeing one of his alter egos Pepe Calderón

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play narrating a cycle stage with these
existentialistic bits at the end of the book

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al Bewes. There is a factual
information that I had forgotten, and it

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was the final classification of the Tour
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of that year, nine hundred and
eighty- four. Lucho Herrera won the

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West Alpe stage, but then the
effort was so great that he lost minutes

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and minutes in the stages that followed. The best Colombian was Rafael Acevedo,

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Rafico Acevedo who was twelve. It
appeared here in position eighteen Alfonso Flores,

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who would be killed later in the
same madness of drug trafficking. Lucho Herrera

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was twenty- seven in the final
standings to fifty- eight minutes thirty seconds

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from Loran Piñón, who was the
champion at that time, that unfriendly cyclist

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who looked at the Colombians literally above
his shoulder. I remembered reading Ricardo'

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s books again, posing this conversation
with him. An exchange that I had

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with Ricardo our first conversation, our
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face. It was I think,
if memory doesn' t fail me in

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the year two thousand eleven for a
social network, so it was Twitter.

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Then and I remember Ricardo making a
comment at the time that caught my attention

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and with which he disagreed. He
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trafficking framed in these eighties and four
ninety- fours affected football much more than

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cycling. I replied to Ricardo saying
perhaps not Ricardo,“ Perhaps this madness

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of drug trafficking was almost undifferentiated and
I reminded Ricardo in that message of the

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murders of Alfonso Flores and Gonzalo Marín, which I mentioned in the first part

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of this conversation. On second thought
now, maybe Ricardo was a little right.

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Perhaps those individual feats of cycling were
a little more immune to the madness

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of drug trafficking. But whatever it
is. I just want to invite third

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- round listeners to check out,
don' t look at these two books

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together for their testimonial value, the
ability they have to describe what we are,

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how sport or the background of sport, our ethical stories and our lyrical

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excesses of sports storytellers were there in
some way, telling a part of Colombia

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' s history during our most tragic
years, where this period of madness of

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one thousand nine hundred and eighty-
four, defined by the alponzo, which

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begins with the Alpe de Wes and
the one thousand nine hundred and ninety-

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four, which ends with the murder
of Andrés, is snuffed Ricardo from the

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distance, from this booth, missing
you celebrated your books, sent you a

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hug, a hug also to all
those who accompany us in the third round.

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It' s clear we can all
write. It is clear that we

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can all, with luck and convocation, devote ourselves to what I did to

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writing. I think we can'
t just write. Writing is the best

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therapy we have at hand welcome to
fictionary an audio course on how and why

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I wrote Take the audiocourse of fictional
writing in the locutorio com slash fictionario with

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Ricardo Silva Romero. Always pick a
good time. Always choose a good conversation.

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