WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.400 Free two one and we are off at with Unleashed one twenty five. Welcome 2 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:12.080 viewers. We have had our Christmas New Year's Eve break and we are rearing 3 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:18.920 to go. Ash has lined up seven guests this evening. First two hours 4 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:25.760 on YouTube, second half exclusively live on Locals. Locals link in description box 5 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:30.920 and as you can see, a fully refreshed Stephen Knight is back co hosting 6 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:39.000 the show of Cheese and Christmas Pudding. Basically, it's me cheese and Christmas 7 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:43.679 Pudding. Oh my goodness, all right. Six o'clock. Jay Dyer is 8 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:50.759 joining us. He's an Info Wars guest presenter YouTuber, friend of the channel 9 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:55.359 for many years, and he's going to be letting us know what Klaus Schwab 10 00:00:55.479 --> 00:01:00.799 and his cronies at the World Economic Forum having store for in twenty twenty four. 11 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:07.599 Then author and photographer Peter Duke joins us first time on the show. 12 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:12.319 He's got a new book out called Stealth Power and the Illusion of Democracy. 13 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:18.760 He's going to delve deep into the workings of the Power Elite, a covert 14 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:25.599 group of a significant global impact, spanning twenty four principles. It reveals various 15 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:34.319 strategies the elite employees to maintain control over us sheeople, and then Stephen picks 16 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:38.959 up at seven do Indeed, I'll be speaking to clinical and forensic psychologist Dr 17 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:44.079 John Garrison. He goes under the moniker Doctor g. He'll be explaining why 18 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:48.719 his YouTube as a master one hundred and twenty six thousand subscribers in recent years, 19 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.640 his channel is the premiere destination for true crime analysis, in depth exploration 20 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:59.760 of high profile crime cases, and a comprehensive source of information on psychology. 21 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:06.239 As a seasoned clinical and forensic psychologist, Dr g Brinn's extensive experience from thousands 22 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:12.599 of forensic evaluations to the table offering a unique and educational perspective on complex psychological 23 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:17.439 issues. Tonight's discussion we'll focus on narcissism relating to some trending figures in the 24 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:22.599 spotlight at the moment, looking forward to that. And then from seven thirty 25 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.520 to eight, I'll be speaking to author of Just Another Country, a novel 26 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:31.039 the final episode of the Hugh Whui trilogy, John Moody's our next guest. 27 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:38.680 Moody is the former executive vice president executive editor for Fox News, a former 28 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:43.879 Rome Bureau chief of Time magazine, and he is the author of four books, 29 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:49.319 including Pope John Paul, the third biography. In Just Another Country, 30 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:54.719 Moody brings an emotionally shattering, politically infuriating conclusion to his fact based trilogy of 31 00:02:54.800 --> 00:03:00.479 China's relentless attempts to destroy the United States, be it through a deadly virus, 32 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:05.520 an endless wave of illegal immigrants, shipments of penetol, or artificial intelligence. 33 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.240 Worst of all, Chinese AI bots have acquired emotions and are now turning 34 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:15.719 humans into their slaves. Murdy. Moody will also speak about President Biden's little 35 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:21.800 known private outreach to President g in recent months. And then I believe we're 36 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:27.800 switching over to locals. Yep, so locals at eight first guest is with 37 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:32.319 Stephen Yeah. Our first guest on locals is Dr Michael Capperelli, who is 38 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:38.039 a former pastor of sixteen years and as a PhD in Advanced Studies in Human 39 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.759 behavior. Caperelli's book Monster Mirror discusses the one hundred hours he spent talking to 40 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:51.120 son of Sam serial killer David Berkowitz about mental health and evil phenomena. And 41 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.400 then from eight thirty to nine pm, author, entomologist and university of Wyoming 42 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:00.840 Professor of Natural Sciences and Humanities, Jeffrey Alan Lockwood will be returning to the 43 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:05.879 show. I really enjoyed our last discussion. Jeffrey writes both nonfiction science books 44 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:12.759 as well as meditations. Lockwood is the recipient of the Push Up Prize and 45 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:16.279 the John Burrows Medal. On his second appearance on the show, he will 46 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:21.519 be discussing his book Locust, the devastating rise and mysterious disappearance of the insect 47 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:28.519 that shaped the American Frontier, which was described as solving the greatest environmental murder 48 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:32.160 mystery in the history of North America, the sudden and unexplained disappearance of a 49 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:40.240 species that once dominated the Western States and provinces. Wow. He is a 50 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:44.959 great guest. Nine to ten, We've got Murray Knight, final guest on 51 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.879 Locals. Author and survivor. She proves that recovery is possible from deep trauma. 52 00:04:50.800 --> 00:05:01.519 Her films and memoir recount her healing journey from ritualistic c from human transportation, 53 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:08.839 and from another word best not said on YouTube, but it is harrowing 54 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:13.560 a story. Her journey to the modern day is an inspiring one for anyone 55 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.120 who has suffered from child too trauma. I do believe she's had millions of 56 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:24.279 views on other videos that she's done. Really viral, really important story. 57 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:29.639 So today I interviewed Ryan Dawson. Many of you are familiar with the who 58 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:34.680 Killed E story and the E client list that has gone viral. I underestimated 59 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:40.240 how viral it would go again, but it's gone mega. And Ryan Dawson 60 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:45.319 came on today and we did an hour and ten minutes talking about Wexner, 61 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:51.720 the client list, Prince Andrew, President Clinton, and it's all updated with 62 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:57.120 all the latest information and that is going to be coming to locals soon. 63 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.720 The link for locals is in the description box blow this video. It's free 64 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.279 to join, free to watch the content, most of it over there, 65 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:12.000 So if you want to get that content that is banned off YouTube, then 66 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.800 click on the locals link. And I feel like it's been like a month 67 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:20.399 since i've senior Stephen, what have you been up to? Ay? Like 68 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:25.079 I said and implied at the start, the show, just been pushing as 69 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:30.920 much food as possible in this direction, followed by alcohol. And that's basically 70 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:32.920 how Christmas works for me. Don't know, I I guess yours is slightly 71 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.680 different, but apart from that, have been enjoying the downtime and seeing family 72 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:42.279 mostly. Yeah, so we took it was baby Ziggy's first Christmas, so 73 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:49.480 we took him to Jen's parents' families and it had a big celebration over there. 74 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:54.759 And if people want to see Baby Ziggy's first Christmas, it's on the 75 00:06:54.800 --> 00:07:00.120 Atwood Family Channel a couple of weeks back. And he's having a john a 76 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.720 good time as you will see. How did he get on not a load 77 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:09.959 of sensory overload for him? Yeah, Well, his middle name is Wilder, 78 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:14.600 and he's massive. He's in one year old clothes already. He's twenty 79 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:19.000 five pounds. He's like bigger than one year olds. And he's a little 80 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:23.720 rocker that we've got him now. He's rocking it so harshly back and forth. 81 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.759 It's just amount of time he really launches himself out of it. So 82 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.879 he's a wild He's definitely living up to his name. Yeah, future strong 83 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:39.240 man maybe at Olympian, some sort future giant and I don't know, Stephen 84 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:44.839 Weather. You noticed the Golden Globe's host, Joe Coy was cracked the brutal 85 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:54.639 Harry and Meghan joke at the twenty twenty four ceremony. I missed that joke. 86 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:58.040 I caught the other one about the issue we can't talk about right now, 87 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.360 which seemed to divide the rooms somewhat, which I thought was funny. 88 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:07.439 Yeah, I love it when Ricky Gervai went down that road, but the 89 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.879 recent one. The Filipino American comedy star didn't hold back in his debut as 90 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:16.279 host of the annual Awards ceremony, a job he acquired just two weeks ago, 91 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.959 whose winners include Killers of the Flower Moon starring Lily Gladstone. I've watched 92 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:30.000 that, Oppenheimer watched that and Successions Kieran Culkin. Anyway, After enthusiastically arriving 93 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.840 on the stage, Koy poked fun at subjects ranging from Oppenheimer's running time through 94 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:39.440 to Saltburn. Actor. Have you watched Saltburn? Yes, yes I have, 95 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:41.519 and I've been telling everybody else to watch it as well. I don't 96 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.399 even know what I think about it, but I know I want people to 97 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:50.080 see it. Things happened in that movie that I've never heard of happening before 98 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.720 in real life. I think that you'll be doing a lot of this. 99 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:58.960 Oh yeah, if you want, If you want a very cringey experience, 100 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:05.200 beautiful cinematography, salt burns for you. I think the moment that got me 101 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:07.840 the most was when he was paying respect to the dead, let's say, 102 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:13.639 and he stripped down onto the grave. And you know that it didn't get 103 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.279 me as much as the bath scene, to be honest, that was a 104 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.000 bit. That was a bit much. Yeah, that's because there were several 105 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.039 well, just let's just say what you know, it's put me right off 106 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:30.159 drinking from baths future. It's ruined. It's ruined drinking bath water for me. 107 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:35.159 That maybe. So what I was about to say was that coy cracked 108 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:41.279 the joke, and the joke was it turns out Harry and Meghan Markle were 109 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.320 still getting paid millions of dollars for doing absolutely nothing, and that's just by 110 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.080 Netflix, he told the crowd, who left in response. The camera zoomed 111 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:54.679 in on the streaming services CEO Ted Sarandos after he made the joke. Both 112 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:01.519 Harry and Meghan were not present. COI was addressing Netflix documentary Harry Megan, 113 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.159 which was released in December twenty twenty two so mixed reviews, and saw the 114 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:09.519 per discuss the decision step back as working members of the World family, and 115 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:16.360 the joke was categorized as brutal by viewers on social media. We had a 116 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:22.120 lot of Royal coverage lately on the channel. The George the Giant Slayer podcast 117 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.320 went out last night doing really well, So if you are interested in that 118 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.360 subject, check it out. And we've got the Royal Mess coming back on 119 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.320 Friday night with Ron Swanson. What have you got coming up, Stephen. 120 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:39.799 I've just released an interview with singer musician Louise Distrass about her experience of the 121 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:46.559 music industry and what can happen to you if you have quote unquote problematic opinions 122 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.039 about current events and big topics, how she was canceled, and how she's 123 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.639 trying to make her way through the world as an independent content creator and musicians. 124 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.600 So that's well worth a watch. That's on my YouTube and it's also 125 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.600 on my Twitter account. You can find it there as well in full. 126 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.480 No, it's an absolute mindfield out though, isn't it these days? Speaking 127 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:09.080 of a minefield, We've got a guy who has navigated that minefield very carefully 128 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:13.480 over the years. A few minds have blown him off of various platforms, 129 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.759 here and there, So I'm going to bring in Jay Diet and Steven will 130 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:18.759 be back with us in an hour or so, so we'll see you then, 131 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:24.879 my friend, see you soon. Cheers, Jay. How's it going 132 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.440 man? Great? Sean? How are you good? Have you had a 133 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:33.639 good Christmas in New Year? Absolutely? Yeah, we have a Christmas that's 134 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:35.639 kind of late. So our Christmas was three years three days ago, so 135 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:41.879 orthodized Christmas falls on January seventh, so I'm still kind of recovering from Christmas. 136 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.559 How are you? Are you seeing you actually take days off from researching 137 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:52.480 those Illuminati scumbags. I think in the work that we do, we never 138 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.080 take days off. So we're even right, even in the holidays, we're 139 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.639 still working on our websites and our YouTube channel right indeed, because I've got 140 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.000 a form and fall baby. It was his first Christmas, so oh congrat 141 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.080 Yeah, thank you. It was nice to celebrate. So, Jake, 142 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.840 just for people who are not familiar with your work, could you just give 143 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.080 us a few lines about what you do? Yeah. I cover all kinds 144 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.840 of stuff. We cover geopolitics over my channel. We cover kind of meta 145 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.200 politics, big picture stuff. I don't focus on a lot of the day 146 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.919 to day political drama per se, but where we're going in the world looking 147 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.559 at the writings of the elite. We've lectured through about fifty of those texts 148 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.960 over the last few years. I cover a lot of film symbolism, Hollywood 149 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.159 stuff. At a deeper level, we cover a lot of philosophy. We 150 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:48.000 do a lot of religious debates, all the above, and we do that 151 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.000 not just on my channel but also the fourth hour of The Alex Jones Show 152 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.279 every Friday. I've done that for the last three years. So that's pretty 153 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.120 much what we do. And we've been collaborating with j for years. So 154 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.720 I will age you've if you're not familiar, to check out previous episodes. 155 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.039 I think many of them were moved over to Rumble. All right, Jay, 156 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:11.840 so what these shape shifting reptilians? What do they have in store for 157 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.879 us in twenty twenty four? That's the big question. Yeah. I've done 158 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:22.120 a few podcasts recently on this topic. I think you can narrow it down 159 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.240 to about four or five potential scenarios, and I would start this discussion by 160 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:30.799 going to a place that probably a lot of people have forgotten, but in 161 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:35.440 the UK you may remember this a few years ago there was this thing called 162 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:41.679 the Integrity Initiative, and the Integrity Initiative was a joint UK NATO situation where 163 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:50.639 they wanted to figure out ways to combat the disinformation of Russia, and to 164 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.320 do this they were going to engage in all kinds of syops themselves. This 165 00:13:54.440 --> 00:14:01.679 included cybersyops and included using pop figures. In fact, yesterday, I don't 166 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.399 know if you saw this, it just came out that they were talking about 167 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:11.440 NATO was saying they wanted to use Taylor Swift as a mouthpiece for disinformation for 168 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:15.320 NATO. Now I don't think she went along with this, but they had 169 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.440 actual people from NATO discussing how they were trying to get you know, Taylor 170 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.919 Swift to go along with this and throwing this idea around so which by the 171 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.960 way, ties into all of our sort of Hollywood mind control stuff that we've 172 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:31.559 talked about for so long. But the Integrity Initiative was a pretty wide ranging 173 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:37.960 operation to counter or supposedly Russia, and it was part of this series of 174 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:45.120 think tanks that at the same time was involved in constructing ways to counter the 175 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:48.399 future Donald Trump administration. And so they talked about how they had to do 176 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.360 anything possible to make sure that Trump didn't get elected again because quote, it 177 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.200 would be the end of the global world order that they had constructed. Now 178 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.720 I'm not saying this as like a defense of Trump. I'm happy to critique 179 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.679 and be critical of Trump. I think he made a lot of mistakes. 180 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.360 But from their vantage point, I think that the establishment sees Trump as this 181 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:15.480 sort of potential figure that can that can awaken a lot more people. And 182 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:20.360 so another Trump administration they felt like was very dangerous to the existing liberal world 183 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.600 order, as they call it, and they would have to really go back 184 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:26.120 to the drawing board. It would it would be very disruptive, is what 185 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.440 their fear. So they then engaged in, as we know, all of 186 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.600 the sort of made up Russia hoax stuff with Trump. Trump got elected through 187 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:41.759 Russia and Russia hacked the DNC and that they bought these ads on Facebook, 188 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.799 and this convinced all the boomers to over Trump and all this nonsense, which 189 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:50.080 is not true. And so when this Integrity Initiative sort of all fell apart, 190 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.440 we found out that it was the British establishment, in particular former m 191 00:15:54.519 --> 00:16:00.240 I five in my six related people that had then constructed the Steele dossier as 192 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.159 a big syop. I think everybody kind of knew it was a sy op, 193 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.799 unless you're a total normy. And again, all of that's relevant here 194 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.720 because we're going into the election year, and I think that they have to 195 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:18.840 throw whatever is big enough of a crisis that it could potentially disrupt the election, 196 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:22.320 not even because Donald Trump is perfect or some kind of an angel, 197 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.639 but you can see the lawfair they're engaging in right now, just to make 198 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.519 sure that he can't even run. They wouldn't exert this much influence and power 199 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:37.080 and all this energy and money if they weren't concerned again that it might trigger 200 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.240 more and more people waking up. So I think that first point I would 201 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.320 say is that they could There's five or six things they could throw at us. 202 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.879 The first big one is the one that Klaus always talks about and has 203 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:55.639 talked about ever since the coof of the last three or four years, and 204 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:59.840 that is a cyber pandemic. So Klaus talks about cyber polygon, and that 205 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:04.920 one really dangerous because the threat here is that supposedly the Internet goes down on 206 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:11.440 a wide scale. They ran this drill with the Fortune one hundred. This 207 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:18.200 included IBM, It included all these different mega corps and the possibility of unknown 208 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.359 hackers out there basically taking down all of our key infrastructure in the West. 209 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.000 This could then be blamed on whoever they say, if you remember the wiki 210 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.839 Leaku's Bolt seven leaks, I mean, they could say it's anybody, right, 211 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.960 just so they could spoof the address or spoof the claims of who was 212 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.640 behind this, Russia, China, whoever, and then they could say, 213 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.279 well, because of all of this chaos, we're gonna have to implement new 214 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:47.240 measures. So the crisis always brings out the intended effect that they wanted all 215 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:48.680 along. So they want more clamp down. They want to shut down the 216 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:53.440 Internet or whatever, shut down free speech. The crisis always provides that convenient 217 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:59.440 mechanism by which they can justify their tyrannical clamp down. So I think Cyberpolygon 218 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:04.440 is the number one potential possible scenario they could run with. I also think 219 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:11.400 that the number two scenario in my list would be another of what we've seen 220 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:15.039 in the last three years. So I'm trying to use coded you know, 221 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.039 koof language. If you know what I mean, If you want to talk 222 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:25.119 about another. I think Bill Gates called it a pandemic. Two we'll say 223 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.799 that. So I think that's another scenario because they didn't they didn't do all 224 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:32.279 of what they did in the last three years for nothing. And people say, 225 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:36.079 well, they wouldn't run that again because it kind of fell apart and 226 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.480 nobody's going to buy it. Well, if there's an even worse scenario, 227 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.920 people will buy it. They will say, this is way worse than what 228 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.119 we saw in the last three years, which they're estimating, you know, 229 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:52.200 seventeen million if you know what I'm talking about, had passed. So you 230 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.640 see what I'm saying. I'm trying to use the code words here and oh 231 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.519 yeah we got yeah. Yeah. So so that that's another potential scenario, 232 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:06.160 is another of these releases or something gets loose, another virus, something like 233 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.200 that. And again, the key thing that happens in these scenarios is that 234 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:15.000 the result is always what they wanted initially. And I think the medical tyranny 235 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.960 was really the key element by which they brought in a lot of this stuff 236 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:19.599 the last time around, or they tested a lot of stuff in the last 237 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.160 three years. So can we get people to go along with certain tracking and 238 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:29.000 tracing measures, can we get people to basically just default to not doctors, 239 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.799 but actually what mega corporations and the CDC or EXCO, actually the United Nations 240 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.519 of the World Health Organization, what they lay down for everybody, mandate this 241 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.039 for everybody. And I think a lot of people went along with it. 242 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.480 Maybe not so many will this time, but it doesn't matter because the new 243 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.039 treaty that they're trying to pass, this U Entreaty, it actually just says 244 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:53.839 arrest anybody that disagrees with the government, Arrest anybody that criticizes or speaks against 245 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:59.359 this. So the really hard handed situations that we saw last three years like 246 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:02.200 Australia, Yeah, that's kind of the model for what they want to do 247 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:08.680 everywhere. And this ties into the SDG d I criteria that they want to 248 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:14.039 have. And this is like so all the Canadian Trucker protests right when they 249 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:18.960 were protesting that their situation, well, they banned people from bank, they 250 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.200 de banks people on the basis of these just sort of made up DEI scores, 251 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:26.079 SDG scores, all this kind of stuff. So that that is what 252 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.759 big the big hedge funds, black Rock, they think they're pushing that in 253 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:33.319 the back and round at the same time as it would be tied into you 254 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:38.319 know, the medical tyranny, the mandated you know what in the future. 255 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.440 So all of that, I think is another very crude And they could roll 256 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:47.480 out a couple of these at once. You could get a cyber pandemic and 257 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:52.880 you know, some sort of new release that comes out magically at the perfect 258 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.599 time. Oh, we can't do the elections, so we've got to have 259 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.960 you know, mail mail in ballots again. And then all these trucks around 260 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:04.279 and suddenly it's you know, an overwhelming landslide for Joe Biden again, and 261 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:08.319 Biden's going to you know, continue all of these wonderful policies that are making 262 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:15.839 America well basically it's destroying the country. Inflation, the borders, et cetera. 263 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.519 It's really crazy. But yeah, so I think that the pandemic too 264 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.519 is another one. Another scenario could be economic collapse. And again it could 265 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:26.599 be two or three of these at one, it could be all these. 266 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.440 I mean, they could throw all the cards at us right like their whole 267 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.920 their whole deck. If there was an economic collapse, then what we would 268 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:40.000 have is a convenient scenario to transition us to CBDCs or something like that as 269 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:44.160 the intended results. So how do we get everybody onto some sort of UBI 270 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.279 or government dole or international doll I guess you could say, not really government, 271 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.519 but they But if everybody has to get a wallet or something like that 272 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.799 after some giant economic collapse, then everybody has the incentive then to get a 273 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:03.799 you know, government credits that roll out you know in your in your wallet 274 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.880 that you know this the central bankers have set up for you. That might 275 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.039 be the solution to how oh, well, you know you can't have this, 276 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:15.759 uh, you know, free trade anymore, you can't have a free 277 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.880 laise fair economics. You buying this, and that it would be an easy 278 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.319 transition into kind of a circular economy that they're always talking about at the World 279 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.359 Economy Forum. And in fact, I was looking past couple of days at 280 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:32.200 what the WF has up on their website for problems to expect in twenty twenty 281 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:36.720 four, and actually cyber crime, cyber hacking, all of that is their 282 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:41.960 number one threat. So again they keep running with that the cyber polygon scenario. 283 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:45.240 But yeah, so I think you could see something like that. Then 284 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:49.079 it could get even crazier. We could see the push for the announcement of 285 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:53.400 alien life that could go off into all kinds of crazy directions, a staged, 286 00:22:55.119 --> 00:23:00.119 fake and gray alien announcement. Alien announcements could you know, drive people 287 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:04.440 crazy. Who knows they're already. I think kind of testing the waters with 288 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:08.279 these hearings with the David Gorrish and all this kind of stuff, talking about 289 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:12.160 how, oh we found ten bodies in the crafts and they're not human, 290 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:15.400 but they might be something. I also that this is sort of I think 291 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:21.599 testing the waters for a large scale alien psychological warfare operation. I think it's 292 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:25.759 all fake. I think it would be very convenient for the powers that be 293 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.920 to announce alien life, and then as a result of that, they could 294 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.000 say, hey, we might be invaded, there might be, you know, 295 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:38.559 an attack, therefore we need In fact, they've even said this for 296 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.559 decades. I don't know if you know about Reagan was at the United Nations 297 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.960 in the nineteen eighties and he said that if it was ever announced that there 298 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.720 was alien life, it might finally lead us to a world government. I 299 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:52.599 don't know if you've ever seen that clip, but yeah, it's a famous, 300 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.440 Yeah, it's a famous clip of Ronald Reagan at the United Nations in 301 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.960 the eighties saying that saying that alien life would lead us to a one world 302 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.400 government. So you see the threats. Then it's not even about the threats, 303 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:07.640 it's just the end The end result they want is the world government. 304 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:11.920 So whatever is useful to get there. So, you know, we could 305 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.160 have a war, a global war. That's another one of the obvious scenarios. 306 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.720 People say, oh, what about an EMP attack. I mean that's 307 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.920 possible too. I think that would probably be in the context with just a 308 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.759 war, which is possible. They could say, well, hey, it's 309 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.160 going to spin out of control. Middle East is now going wild. We're 310 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:34.079 gonna have to put troops in the Middle East and be involved in this warfare. 311 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.920 And then that spreads from that region to other regions, so we could 312 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.759 get another, you know, global war. So all of those, again 313 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.839 I think are the are the big key scenario, and because they need something 314 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.640 big enough to really distract from the coming election. Of course, if you 315 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.880 look at things like the Integrity Leagues and all that, why they couldn't have 316 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.960 another Trump administration. Yeah, so I think you have to you know, 317 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.319 the USA is kind of the center of the World Empire as it is right 318 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.599 now, and so if you can take down that World Empire, you know, 319 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.519 you can rebuild, you can have this reset. So but so I 320 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:17.400 think there are there are certain protections in the West with you know, the 321 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:21.200 remnants of rule by law. All of that has to kind of go away 322 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.839 before they can really move to the next stage of what the WF wants with 323 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.799 a great reset with you know, you own nothing, you have nothing yet 324 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.720 you're kind of given a UBI or something like that. You live in a 325 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:38.960 compod in in a you know, box apartment in a giant megalopolis. I 326 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.119 mean that's really where they want to go. So it's whatever's going to get 327 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:45.559 them to that end result. I mean they're already going crazy with you know, 328 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.359 killing one hundred thousand cows in Ireland because cows are bad for the planet. 329 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.839 You need to eat bugs, not meat. I mean, this is 330 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.640 this is all very real, but you know, we I think it's it's 331 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.839 worth gaming out. You know, what are the potential scenarios for twenty twenty 332 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:04.400 four? Well, set, Jay, You've covered a lot ground there and 333 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.440 several questions have risen in my mind on the minds of the viewers. We'll 334 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:15.960 start with anexus. How do the forces behind a cyber pandemic inoculate themselves against 335 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:22.400 their personal business Internet going down? It looks like in cyberpauling on when you 336 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:32.039 read the war game, they they don't really mind the businesses themselves kind of 337 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.880 going down for a while. And in fact, it would probably be the 338 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:38.759 case that, in other words, these would be controlled and managed. So 339 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:44.119 I think probably a lot of the top Fortune one hundred slash Fortune five hundred 340 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.759 they would be aware, or they might be in on it at the top 341 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.759 level, so they might shut down, and they might just shut it down 342 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:53.680 and say, oh, well, you know, we don't know why we 343 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:57.160 just shut down, So you know, that's a possibility. I'm not like 344 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:00.519 a cyber hacking expert, so I don't know a whole lot about that, 345 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:06.640 but just looking at their scenario in the war game that they ran it, 346 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.200 I don't think it's shut down the entire Internet, but basically significant portions of 347 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:17.880 the Western world's infrastructure was kind of off for a while, right, So 348 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.119 it wasn't like it destroyed the whole Internet or something like that. It was 349 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:26.519 like, you know, maybe the Internet goes down in America for a few 350 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.240 days. Then it's back up, but banking isn't back up. You know, 351 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.960 maybe other things like healthcare administration being online, maybe that's down for a 352 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.720 week. So it's sort of like this staggered thing of different different scenarios, 353 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:47.200 of different corporations and different things. Logistics, like maybe the logistics between how 354 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.319 you know, trucking is organized online or whatever through through the internet. Maybe 355 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:55.279 that goes down and they can't organize where to send their trucks out, so 356 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:59.559 you don't get goods. The supply lines are down maybe for a week a 357 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.519 month, not like that, And we already kind of saw elements of that 358 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.839 during twenty twenty to twenty twenty two. I don't know what it was like 359 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.440 in the UK, but where I live, even out here in the country, 360 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.200 we had a few situations where there was I think maybe a week or 361 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:18.039 two where there was no meat, like the grocery stores weren't no meat because 362 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:22.000 they the trucking couldn't get here because there was COVID on everything, right, 363 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.440 so you know, you could see I mean remember the toilet paper fiasco. 364 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.960 I don't know, I don't know if the UK had toilet paper, but 365 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.440 like everybody bought up toilet paper, which is a sort of weird meme that 366 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.599 was going around the internet like you wouldn't get toilet paper ever again. So 367 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.079 so I think we had about a month where there was no toilet paper, 368 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:48.079 and so I just basically shat myself and just looks I'm joking. Did we 369 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.559 had toilet paper? I don't know. I mean you could, you could 370 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:55.079 get you buy you know, cleanexes or whatever. But did you have the 371 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:56.240 toilet paper problem in the UK? I don't know. Oh, they was 372 00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:03.359 showing videos of people running around the aisles in grocery stores grabbing the last of 373 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.319 the toilet roll and arguing and fighting, and yeah, it was mayhem. 374 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.519 It was that when in the UK two yeah, okay, okay, but 375 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.640 one of the first things everybody went for was toilet paper. Yeah, but 376 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.519 in America, didn't think they go for guns and stuff like that too. 377 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.279 Well, it depends on where you live. I mean, where I live, 378 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:26.119 everybody owns guns already, so nobody's nobody's going to be running for guns 379 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.240 because everybody has it. But uh, yeah, there could have been some 380 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:33.319 places where you know that maybe there's maybe it's harder to get a gun that 381 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.039 they were trying to go for that. But but yeah, I think I 382 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:44.359 think that to answer that question, I think that the cyber pandemic would be 383 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:51.119 very controlled. It would be very pinpoint focused at the weak points in any 384 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:57.839 country's logistics, and so it wouldn't really ultimately hurt Amazon or you know, 385 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:03.599 any of the big corpse. So don't throw your check books away, folks 386 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.680 like I've done, because it may come in handy if we have to go 387 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.920 back to the old school banking techniques. All right, Jake wants to know, 388 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.279 has World War three already started? Yeah, it could be. I 389 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.720 mean, you're right, that was the you know, number four or five 390 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:25.119 scenario, because they can always you know, hype up a war or take 391 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:30.000 it to the next level, or say that the existing conflicts in Ukraine and 392 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.640 the Middle East have spun out of control, or they can spark a new 393 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:38.079 conflict in some other region, or you know, I mean, it's getting 394 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.960 crazy to the point where in the US, I mean, there's so many 395 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.279 people not from the US coming into the US on a daily basis that you 396 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:52.839 could have those people are potentially intended to be some sort of internal force to 397 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.880 change the country. I know, We're not at that point yet, but 398 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.119 it could get to that situation if we another, say, five or six 399 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.200 years of Joe Biden. Who I mean, It's not just people who are 400 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.720 looking for a better life, is what I'm trying to say. Which I 401 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.359 can understand why people would want to come, you know, from another countries, 402 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.359 Latin South America or whatever it's, but it's people from all over the 403 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.440 world. And a lot of the videos that you see there's no women or 404 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.200 children there. It's like, you know, military age dudes. Where's all 405 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.880 the women and children? Right? And I think that that's intentional. Just 406 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.720 talking to a friend of mine in Ecuador and he was talking about all of 407 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:33.960 the ads and the promotions that they have everywhere in Ecuador for coming to America, 408 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.559 and a lot of it is just scams that coyotes, you know, 409 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:44.519 they make you into basically a tool for extracting money from your family. So 410 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:49.599 cartels will promote this. It's basically just a big scam. But the Biden 411 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:56.440 administration, I'm saying, I think collaborates with the cartels to foster that border 412 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:05.480 operation. Point being is that I think that that could be a potential connection 413 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.599 to a war scenario. Or an attempt to instigate a civil war. You 414 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.599 could say, I mean, if you watch a lot of the pop culture, 415 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.799 which we do not because it's like a tool for divination or something like 416 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.119 that, it doesn't it is a perfectly predicted future, but you can kind 417 00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.960 of tell from sometimes the propaganda that they're pushing where they might go. And 418 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:29.480 so we've seen with this big Obama produced Netflix movie that came out Leave the 419 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:34.319 World Behind, that has basically all the scenarios that I'm talking about, where 420 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.839 really it begins with a cyber attack. We don't know what's going on in 421 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:43.720 the film, but basically America goes down in terms of satellites and internet connection. 422 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.640 Everybody's trying to figure out what, you know, what the cyber polygon 423 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.200 was. And then it turns into more of a military style conflict where you 424 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:57.440 have these EMPs go off and then you have like these weird biological warfare things 425 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.920 that are released that the film doesn't ever say who the enemies are, but 426 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:05.079 it does say that basically there was this internal group, this cabal who was 427 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.200 involved in you know, taking down the US or the West or whatever. 428 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:13.559 So again, the long long answer to say that, yeah, that's very 429 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.799 possible that a World War three scenario, which a World War three scenario could 430 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.880 conveniently also encapsulate all these other potential scenarios. Right, They could say, 431 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:28.680 if we go into a hot war when the internet goes down, Oh the 432 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.799 Russians took the Internet down. Oh the Russians, you know did this? 433 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:35.279 Or that they collapsed the stock market through their hackers, you know, something 434 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.039 like that. Yeah, and Trump let them in. Going back to what 435 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:43.079 going back to what you said about Trump, Biden and the eclonomy them. 436 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:47.920 So you know, you mentioned these crazy allegations they made against Trump to try 437 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:53.759 and torpedo his chances. But don't you think they've inadvertently increased these popularity by 438 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.359 doing so? And as these things have been exposed to be so absurd, 439 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.160 it's just had the opposite effect. And you did mention about the economy in 440 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.759 a collapse. It seems to me that they're inflating the stock market presently to 441 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.719 try and increase the chances of the incumbent because they do realize that they have 442 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.039 made Trump more popular. What are your thoughts on that. Yeah, I 443 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.840 think that they really were trying anything they could, so I think they want 444 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:24.239 to use the methods that are the quickest and the simplest first. So they 445 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.159 would rather, you know, try to use law fair for example, what's 446 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.840 happening right now with all these court cases, to try to take them off 447 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.519 of various ballots and so forth. So I think that's the first route they 448 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.159 go for. If that doesn't work, I think they'll ramp up to the 449 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.920 next levels, right, which would be the kinds of things that I'm talking 450 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.119 about. Another scenario, I think, maybe even before these big scenarios would 451 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:50.039 be something like, well, oh, suddenly we have a craze maga person, 452 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.079 right, and we don't even know if they are right. Maybe there's 453 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:57.800 just some random you know, provocateur or some mind control lunatic or whatever let 454 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.880 out of the asylum and they put up they put a trump pad on him, 455 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:06.519 and he goes and he does some big fake flag event where he pops 456 00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:07.639 off at a bunch of people in the mall. I mean, it could 457 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.280 be anything like that as well, right, Or it could be the last 458 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.440 time this happened in the US, it was like an OKC type event, 459 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.519 if you if you know about the history of that, there was a kind 460 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:25.039 of a rising populism at that time against the Clinton administration and the establishment at 461 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:34.840 that time, and they conveniently had a crazed fundamentalist person involved in kind of 462 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:39.559 a weird far right cult called Elaheim City. Uh, and that ended up 463 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:44.480 being the perfect event to show that, Oh you see all of these people 464 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.800 who are you know, right wing populists at that time. Oh, they're 465 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.199 all crazy and they're they're t E R R O R type people. So 466 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.440 you know, if you look into the OKC event, I think that's it 467 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:59.760 was like it was like a nine to one one before nine one one, 468 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:06.360 but rather than it being Islamic oriented, it was right wing populism oriented, 469 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.039 and it had the did it did its job? Now it'll be harder, 470 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.719 I think if they go with that fake flag event, you know, somebody 471 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.679 trying to assassinate somebody or something like that, that would be harder within the 472 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:23.400 days of the internet now that we're in to completely concoct a story. But 473 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.239 I mean it's still it still would probably work. I think you still have 474 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.320 enough of the population that are completely zombies that they would probably still believe it. 475 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.079 We've got just summer five minutes left with Jay Dayah. Please put your 476 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.159 questions in the chat wherever you are watching this in the world. And the 477 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.840 next question is from Fred, how is Jay's religious knowledge? Has he heard 478 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.840 about the theory we're in a false timeline and Jesus has already come back and 479 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:55.280 that Satan is running the show. Well, I don't know how you would 480 00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.079 gauge my religious knowledge. I mean I do talk about theology and all that 481 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:07.880 stuff quite a bit, and philosophy, metaphysics, the closest thing I could 482 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.840 think of to what you're talking about sounds like Philip K. Dick's worldview. 483 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.559 So I don't know if you know. You know, Philip K. Dick 484 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.320 is the sci fi writer, right like, so he actually had this view 485 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.719 that in sometime if you read the Book of Acts after the Life of Christ, 486 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:27.000 the apostles are preaching the Gospel in the Book of Acts. And then 487 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:29.960 I don't know where he got this idea, but Philip K. Dick thought 488 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.320 that in the middle of the Book of Acts, Jesus had come back and 489 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.519 that it was like not successful or something, and so we were launched into 490 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:45.679 this like cern alternate timeline where we're under Satan. So I don't know where 491 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.639 Philip K. Dick came up with that it's kind of a wild, out 492 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:53.280 there thing. If you watch the movie Richard Linkletter's movie Waking Life, which 493 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:59.159 is kind of a famous it was shot in rotoscope. It's kind of an 494 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.599 edgy, twenty year old kind of art house film. In Waking Life, 495 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.960 there's a sequence where somebody has an interview. It's a stage interview with Phil 496 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:14.639 k Dick, and he actually goes into this this kind of timeline. So 497 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.800 I don't think that that's true, and I don't think we live in a 498 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:23.199 secret alternate timeline. Right. Smasha Dobson wants to know who runs the world. 499 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:29.119 Let's talk about that, not actors from the government theater show. Well, 500 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:35.159 I mean I've been doing. The last fourth hour that I did was 501 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.920 a really in depth dive into jeff Stein mceffrey. You probably know who I'm 502 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:43.320 talking about. So I went pretty deep into the history of that old operation 503 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.559 and how these high level people. I mean, I don't think it's one 504 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.199 group of ethnic people. I think that it's a lot of different people from 505 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.239 a lot of different groups that all collaborate at a really high level in terms 506 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.079 of international crime. So basically, the way I see it is, if 507 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:07.039 you take the analogy of mafia organized crime, and you put that at like 508 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.960 the fortune one hundred level. That's who's really running the planet, right, 509 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:17.480 So it's like higher level super psychopath type people people at the WF, people 510 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.360 at B I, L. D. E. R. Berg, people 511 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:25.119 at you know, these steering committee meetings. They're the ones that are calling 512 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.760 the shots. And so although jeff Stein McAffrey isn't himself at the he wasn't 513 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.840 at the top of the pyramid. He was an operation that's a window into 514 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.639 how the international organized crime click works. And you can see that by going 515 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.599 into his to just Lane's father, his role in the Cold War, his 516 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:52.519 role in hostile corporate takeovers that McMillan when he took over McMillan Publishing, you 517 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:58.559 can see how that kind of crime syndicate works at that level. So that's 518 00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.679 how I would say it works. Who's writting things? Non thoughts on Elon 519 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:12.199 musk Well. I was surprised when Alex did that big interview with him a 520 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.519 couple of weeks ago. That was kind of a shock to me. I 521 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:20.000 didn't think that it was going to be that kind of explosive. I mean, 522 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.719 Alex has been saying for a long time that Elon is, you know, 523 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.519 on the on the right side of things, I would like to hope. 524 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:31.960 So, so in my view, best case scenario, Elon is genuinely 525 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:38.039 red pill, genuinely waking up, and then he's kind of still got maybe 526 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:45.639 some elements of the nWo worldview there, maybe with his transhumanism stuff and maybe 527 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.639 so maybe he's like on a journey of like kind of awakening. I mean, 528 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.719 I would say it seems like the same with Tucker. Tucker has gone 529 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:57.880 from a very normy position over the last ten years to you know, admitting 530 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.440 he was wrong about the Big nine event all the way to being pretty open 531 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:07.519 and awake to what's really going on. So I want to hope that with 532 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.400 like with Elon, that's definitely the case. Worst case scenario, he's just 533 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:16.239 kind of trolling everybody and he really is part of the system in terms of 534 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.920 not just being I mean, obviously he's particism in the sense that he's a 535 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:23.880 very wealthy, powerful elite person, but in the sense of like willingly being 536 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:28.800 on board with this agenda. So I think that when when you start going 537 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.920 against the deep Hoop agenda, that's a good indicator that maybe they really are 538 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.280 kind of waking up because you're not you're not allowed to be in the system 539 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.559 at that level, at the high top player level that we were just talking 540 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:46.360 about with the previous question unless you're on board with all of the scenarios. 541 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.840 So, yeah, we've got we've got a minute left. Let's see what 542 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.800 you can squeeze out of this question. Is there any chance elite starts to 543 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.440 gain a sense of nationalism rather than globalism? How don't elites just co opt 544 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.840 nationalism when the when is blowing in that direction anyway? Exactly? Yeah, 545 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:06.599 I think if there was a rising tide of nationalism, they would just kind 546 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.239 of, like you said, go back to co opting that movement. And 547 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:15.119 they're very adapt The elites are very adept at steering and controlling through deception, 548 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.000 through provocateurs, through money, just buying off the leaders. I mean, 549 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.000 that's really just what look at the whole jeff Stein McAffrey thing, it's basically 550 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:28.360 compromising really high level people. Then they're controlled. So they would do the 551 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.760 same thing with the new nationalist leaders. They would try to compromise them in 552 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:36.039 all the classic methods. Huge, Thank you, Jay. Do you want 553 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:37.559 to tell all the viewers where they can find you and support you. Please 554 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:42.960 absolutely thanks for having me. You can go to jasonalysis dot COM's my website. 555 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.079 You can find me on rockfin great free speech based platform. You can 556 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.320 find me on YouTube, Twitter, all of those under my name Jay Dier 557 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.360 or Jaysonalysis brilliant. Look forward to speaking to you soon, my friends. 558 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:58.440 Take care all right, have a good one bye. Right, We're gonna 559 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.639 pieza and this ties in nicely so what we've just been speaking about. Peter's 560 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:12.119 got his book out with covers various principles attributes our elites such as economic wars 561 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.599 and control of the media. And Peter, would you like to just thanks 562 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:17.440 long. Would you like to tell of you as a little bit about yourself 563 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:23.320 first and how you've got into this work. Sure. I'm kind of an 564 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:29.679 autodidact polymath, and I was a computer science major in college. And I 565 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.599 dropped out of college and became a fashion photographer. And I did that for 566 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.400 quite a few years and wound up building a lot of the first generation Internet 567 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:44.440 websites, including the first entertainment website on the Internet on the Worldwide Web, 568 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:50.400 theexfiles dot com. And then I went on to work for Steven Spielberg at 569 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.840 a company called game Works and then Virgin Richard Brandtson. I ran e commerce 570 00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:00.159 there for a while and around nineteen around twenty ten, I ran into Andrew 571 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:08.880 Breitbart, who was chanting his politics's downstream from culture Mantra, and having been 572 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:15.000 an ex photographer, I started paying more attention to the way that media was 573 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:20.880 shaping people's perceptions, and that led me into a kind of a journalism tract, 574 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.760 which I did for a few years, where I really started to understand 575 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.559 that what we know as the discipline of journalism is really just kind of a 576 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:37.039 mind control mechanism, which led me to this point where I have been researching 577 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.400 a book that I call Reframing Reality, and I'm playing on the idea that 578 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:46.960 photographers take a camera and they move it from one frame to another in order 579 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.400 to change the idea that people who are looking at the photograph have about whatever 580 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.679 it is that they're looking at. And realized that the news and media and 581 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.639 things like that are also being used to do that, which led me to 582 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:07.199 an author named Douglas Reid who wrote a book called The Controversy of Zion, 583 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:15.079 and Reid was referencing a book called The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion, 584 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:21.440 which is a forbidden text. It's something that you're not supposed to read. 585 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:23.679 You're not supposed to impolite company tell people that you have read it. 586 00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:31.679 And having worked as a consultant for the Show Foundation Institute in the Simon Weisenthal 587 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:36.159 Center, I thought, why I should have enough protection. I should be 588 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.199 able to just pick this thing up and read it. And one of the 589 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:45.360 things that Reid did that kind of intrigued me was that he removed all of 590 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.719 the cultural artifacts out of the book. He kind of did a little sleight 591 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:55.079 of hand, a word trick, and he took out all the cultural references 592 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:02.039 in an exposition that he did for I got done reading the book, I 593 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:07.840 thought that I could use GPT to do the same thing, and so I 594 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.679 normalized the text. I took all of the cultural references out of it, 595 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.639 and then I ran it through GPT in order to update the language to something 596 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:22.519 that people in the twenty first century could read and understand. And that's what 597 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:28.000 brought me here. So what's your definition of the power elite? The power 598 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:32.760 of the elite are are the kind of the people behind the scenes at the 599 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:40.079 top of the power pyramid who are pulling the strings. We largely don't know 600 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:45.960 their names. I heard you asking Jay the question. I think Larry Fink's 601 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.400 boss would probably be a good definition. I don't think that the people whose 602 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.960 names that we know, Henry Kissinger and Larry Fink and Jamie Diamond and all 603 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.679 of the usual suspects, I don't think that those people are actually at the 604 00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.199 top, but I think that they do all have bosses. Okay, viewers, 605 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.159 if you've got any questions of Peter, please put them in the chats. 606 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.920 His links are all in the description, box, book, etc. 607 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:14.840 If you want to check out his work and support him. And what direction, 608 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.639 Peter, do you see the power elite steering us in twenty twenty four? 609 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:24.239 What direction do I think that they're steering us? Well, I think, 610 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.679 you know, going along with Jay, I think that they have several 611 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.920 scenarios planned at this point. If you understand, if you read my book, 612 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.559 which again is a interpretation of something that was published in nineteen oh three 613 00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:44.119 that was widely claimed to be plagiarized, I believe it was plagiarized, but 614 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:49.000 that doesn't take away from the veracity of many of the predictions that they make 615 00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.559 is that they want one world government, that they want to create World War 616 00:47:53.639 --> 00:48:00.119 three, specifically with a battle between the Muslim war world and the rest of 617 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:09.480 the world as the excuse in order to in order to collapse the current nation 618 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:15.679 states into the one world government that they've created as the UN, and they 619 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:22.519 have various machinations for doing that. I think the flooding of foreign nationals into 620 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.599 all of the Western countries right now is kind of a setting the table, 621 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.480 as it were, for this international civil war that I think that they're setting 622 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:39.400 up, which will be between kind of a fake Islam and the West. 623 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:45.320 I think that's probably the scenario that I see. Is that counter productive for 624 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:51.199 themselves though, in an age of mutually assured destruction by nuclear weapons, not 625 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:55.480 if they have their survival strategies set up and put aside. I mean, 626 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.239 they've done this before. I think that We've gone through World War II one 627 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.199 and they survived. We've gone through World War two and they survived. I 628 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:06.679 think that they if they're planning it, they know where to not be. 629 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:13.519 And a famous professor at Santrist, a guy named John Keegan, said, 630 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.920 it's it's quite simple to survive wars if you know where to not be, 631 00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.559 and I think that that's probably the strategy that they have. I mean, 632 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:29.480 Peter Thiel, for example, has basically an underground bunker in New Zealand, 633 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.639 you know, and there's a lot of bunker knowledge. I live in the 634 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:39.599 Pacific Palisades, which is, you know, a tony enclave in Los Angeles 635 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:43.840 where the people who make movies live. You know, my neighbors are like 636 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:46.840 Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks and people like that. And I can tell you 637 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:52.880 that every house that's been built in my neighborhood in the last three years has 638 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:57.519 a double basement. And for people who don't live in southern California, don't 639 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:01.920 understand that people in California don't build houses with basements, like it's not a 640 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:07.880 normal thing. And so to build houses with double basements is kind of a 641 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.480 unique and kind of weird thing. So I think there is a lot of 642 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.480 prepping going on. We've seen that with Mark Zuckenberg recently, haven't we. 643 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.599 It's come out about what he's built. Yeah, I think, well, 644 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.079 and that's the one that you know about. I mean, I've seen it 645 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:30.920 reported, you know. I believe that we live in a world of word 646 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:34.360 magic. At this point, which is part of what my book is about. 647 00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:42.360 And so the idea that Zuckerberg is building something there is interesting, But 648 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.840 there's probably another bunker that we don't know about that's being built someplace else, 649 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:50.559 and that would my guess is that the one in Hawaii is the bright, 650 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.639 shiny object that we're all supposed to pay attention to. Yeah. I've got 651 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:59.880 a friend who works in London and she works for a company who helps people 652 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:07.239 build these bunkers on the London, these multi million pounds bunkers and luxury properties 653 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:13.079 married on the London. And I was flabbergasted when she told me the detail. 654 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.239 I was like, how on earth can anyone forward these things like tens 655 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:21.639 of millions per property on the ground on the London Right. Well, one 656 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.719 of the things that it took me a long time to get my arms around 657 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:29.800 was the idea that the people that we're dealing with have unlimited money. And 658 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:37.000 that's that's a difficult concept for people to comprehend. That money is the mechanism 659 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:42.400 that they use in order to control us. I mean, Zuckerberg is worth 660 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.039 billions and billions of dollars, So does he really think about what it costs 661 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.519 to build a bunker. No, he specifies what it is that he wants 662 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.880 it to be, and then it just is created that way. All right, 663 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:57.440 So you've got a question from anexus. Okay, what is the most 664 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:02.519 surprising thing you've learned about those set sing up the global governments? The most 665 00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:07.760 surprising thing, I think is the fact and and again it's indicative of the 666 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:14.920 process that I use to create the book, is that we are our reality 667 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:20.000 is framed with words and it's a kind of a magic. Uh and uh, 668 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.159 I think that we're in a battle right now between people who think critically 669 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:27.760 and people who use word magic. And what do I mean by that? 670 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:34.679 So critical thinkers do things like they create chemical substances, like the stuff that 671 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:39.079 you got busted for, and then there are fences that are built around these 672 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:44.880 chemical substances with words. We call them laws, right, and then those 673 00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:51.239 things, those laws are are are managed with violence. And so it was 674 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.639 actually the reason that you wound up going to jail was because somebody wrote words 675 00:52:54.719 --> 00:53:00.079 down that were enforced by somebody with a gun that when found up putting you, 676 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:07.719 incarcerating you. Right. And so the idea that words are used as 677 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:15.920 a way to mentally frame us, to magically control us is kind of my 678 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:20.840 main takeaway. I took a book that was a Vermotan text and I put 679 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:24.079 it through a language engine. And one of the things that I think that 680 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:31.320 people misunderstand about AI is that I wouldn't recommend, for example, that you 681 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:39.360 use GBT as an encyclopedia because the knowledge base that it has been trained with 682 00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:45.440 is probably on the equivalent of something like Wikipedia. But it is a really 683 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:51.639 brilliant language engine. That is I've studied linguistics, I've studied neural linguistic programming. 684 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.440 It knows neural linguistic programming. So it does a very good job of 685 00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.559 playing Tony Robbins if you give it the right prompts. And so one of 686 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:04.920 the things that you know, what I did with the book was that I 687 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.559 took something that was a forbidden text and I transformed it into something that anybody 688 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:14.480 can read and understand. You know what the power elite are trying to do 689 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:21.679 in a way that's kind of non confrontational and very academic. That's magic, 690 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.800 and the same type of magic is used in order to frame our realities everywhere. 691 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:34.000 So so Fred is asking whether the global elites have the cold blooded consciences 692 00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:43.199 of reptiles. I think that they think of themselves as magicians. So you 693 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:47.039 know, I think of Mickey Mouse in that movie Fantasia, and they think 694 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:53.519 of themselves as having the ability to get large groups of people to do whatever 695 00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:59.320 it is that they want. And that requires a So I think that requires 696 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.400 a certain of sociopathy. That is, you have to you have to have 697 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:08.159 a lack of empathy to be able to achieve those types of things. So 698 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:13.079 I do think that they have a lack of empathy. I mean, how 699 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.159 do these people sleep at nights when they're profits in from war? You know, 700 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:20.679 we've seen all these in this era now we see all these images of 701 00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:25.760 people getting injured or corps is getting picked up, and these defense companies that 702 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.079 are making billions off it. How do these people sleep at nights? Are 703 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:34.239 They're just so far removed from how normal people think that they can profit from 704 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.519 that and think it's okay. Well, your channel covers a lot of the 705 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:43.639 horror that people suffer, and I think that there is a process, There's 706 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:47.880 an alchemical process. I think Michael Hoffman talks about this a lot, where 707 00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:54.800 these people kind of dehumanize themselves by going through these processes. That's they're not 708 00:55:54.840 --> 00:56:00.280 only initiating the victims, they're initiating themselves, and they're aing themselves. That's 709 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.119 the that's the point of the skull and bones, right. The mythology of 710 00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.840 the skull and bones is that, uh, you know, they hold up 711 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.159 a skull and they say, is this was this person a prince or a 712 00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.559 popper? You know, you can't really tell. And the and the lesson 713 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:17.719 of that is that we all die, right, And so if you understand 714 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.400 that we all die and that your life is what you make of it, 715 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:28.360 that's kind of the secret knowledge, right, then you go through all of 716 00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:36.079 these different dehumanizing events that wind up having the alchemical effect of turning you into 717 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:42.599 a sociopath. Wow. All right, So next question is you discuss the 718 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:47.599 transition from religious beliefs to materialism as a strategy of the power elite. How 719 00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:53.639 does this transition impact modern societies, particularly in terms of moral and ethical standards. 720 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:58.119 Well, well, we can see it. I think that if you 721 00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:04.400 if you take the the Harvard Business Business School definition of a word like culture, 722 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:10.079 culture is the values in the processes that a society uses in order to 723 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.440 keep that culture within the bounds of what we know as liberty, which is 724 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:24.079 freedom within limits. And when you a religion provides the values and processes for 725 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:30.000 a society. So when you switch people from a religious internal mechanism to a 726 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:39.400 material then you use freedom in order to expand the limits of culture beyond the 727 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:45.800 limits of liberty, which winds up creating a problem for society to be able 728 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:52.480 to manage. You wind up having conflicts over things like abortion or gay rights 729 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:59.159 and things like that that put use freedom as a mechanism in order to disrupt 730 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:05.679 society. You have to unhinge people from their religious belief systems because it's their 731 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:12.039 internal moral compass. Once you disconnect people from their moral compass, then it's 732 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.920 very easy to use freedom in order to kind of cause chaos in society. 733 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:22.239 That's scary. We've got a question from jen c if everyone got together globally 734 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:28.239 and concentrated on thinking of a positive outcome, would that ruin the magic as 735 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:32.239 in what the power at leads are up to. I think it's more important 736 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:42.519 to think critically than to think positively in that Uh, the mechanism that they 737 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:51.519 use is storytelling. That they create these stories that don't have veracity in order 738 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:57.119 to convince large groups of people to go in one direction or another, and 739 00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:02.599 coming up with another story isn't necessary. The best solution uh training yourself to 740 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:08.039 understand that. They use things like dichotomies. For example, in the United 741 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:13.519 States, we have a Republican and a Democrat party. That's a dichotomy. 742 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:19.360 What it does is it takes the total solution set of any potential problem and 743 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:23.920 it reduces it to only two choices. Whenever, whenever somebody is presenting you 744 00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:30.000 with only two choices, there's probably a world of other choices out there in 745 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:35.039 the world that you can that you can choose from in order to be able 746 00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:42.760 to make a logical decision. So replacing one story with another isn't really the 747 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:47.639 key here. The key is learning how to think critically and understand how words 748 00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:52.599 are used as magic in order to control us. So do you think that 749 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:57.760 Republican versus Democrat is an illusion of choice? Yes? I think it's I 750 00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:04.320 think it's fake and it's been it was. It's arguable how far back we 751 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:10.239 go. I kind of think maybe John Adams was the last freely elected president 752 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:15.599 in the United States because it took the British a few years in order to 753 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:21.559 figure out the mind game in North America in order to be able to regain 754 01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:27.880 control of the United States and ultimately the Federal Reserve Act and the creation of 755 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:34.800 the IRS in the United States. Was the city of London retaking control of 756 01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:39.079 the United States. You got a question from Rebecca. So they want to 757 01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:45.360 be sociopaths by ritualizing talk at a non empathy to a point where they run 758 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:51.320 the world off of their own hate and trauma. I think that if you're 759 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:53.679 empathetic, I don't know if you're running on hate. I think that you're 760 01:00:53.760 --> 01:01:00.679 running on a lack of empathy and cold hearted logic, which is in a 761 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:07.119 lot of ways even scarier. Question from Fred can you talk about what mcclun 762 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.679 meant by the slogan media is the message? And is human behavior a perfected 763 01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:17.400 science? Two questions, and so leave it up. So I remember what 764 01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:22.960 the second one is. The medium is the message? Means that the medium 765 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:30.599 that you're using dictates how messages can be communicated. So, for example, 766 01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:37.880 we have thirty minutes on YouTube right now which we can use in order to 767 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:44.559 get our messages out. Our messages are constrained to the shape of the screen, 768 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.400 the number of pixels, and the number of minutes that we have in 769 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:54.960 order to promote that message. So if you're trying to get a complete view 770 01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:59.639 of the world, if you're trying to get a complete understanding of my book, 771 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.719 it's easier to read my book. If you want to understand who the 772 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.199 person is who wrote the book and why he wrote the book, then this 773 01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:15.440 video is the is the correct medium human behavior, and as human behavior perfected 774 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:22.199 science, it's getting perfect. It's not perfect. But one of the things 775 01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.280 that's interesting about the process of going through this book is that I don't think 776 01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:31.679 that the technology, and the definition of the word technology that I use is 777 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:37.039 the is an invention or a process for doing something better than you could do 778 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:42.320 it before. I think my book is a technology that's three thousand years old. 779 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:45.519 I don't think that it's I don't think that it's new and it's dependent 780 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:53.760 on electronics or anything like that. That said, being able to reframe people's 781 01:02:54.079 --> 01:03:01.039 belief systems or their their realities using words is is a pretty perfected science. 782 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:06.800 And I think that if we think of words as magic, if we think 783 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.079 of money as magic, if we think of violence as magic, or chemicals 784 01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:15.599 or medicine as magic. Then we start to have a better idea of how 785 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:22.119 the people who control us are thinking about things. They want us to believe 786 01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.880 that it's Wizards of Waverley Place, or it's Harry Potter, that it requires 787 01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:32.159 magic, wands and things that we can't see. But the secret that they 788 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:36.679 don't want us to know is that magic is everywhere. It's being used against 789 01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:38.599 us, and we can't see it the same way that fish can't see the 790 01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:45.159 water that they're swimming in. I was contemplating this the other night, this 791 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:50.039 question from Harry, what is the black swan events we need to look out 792 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.559 for? Please give your thoughts. Well, I heard Jay talking about the 793 01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:59.239 cyber attack, and there's a guy that you might want to have on your 794 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:04.079 show named Robert Edward Grant, and Grant claims h and I have a video 795 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:10.679 that I watched of him doing this. Grant claims that he has found a 796 01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:18.039 backdoor into public key encryption mean, meaning that the encryption system that is used 797 01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:26.440 to uh uh protect every financial transaction on the Internet has got a back door 798 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.119 built into it. H And what's interesting is that his solution to public key 799 01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:38.199 encryption involves a right triangle. So so uh a basic geometric formula, and 800 01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:43.400 the name of the of the program that Claus Schwab uses regularly is called cyber 801 01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:46.599 polygon. So I think that the the gorilla in the room is that there 802 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.719 is no real encryption on the Internet, that that is a magical spell that 803 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:57.000 has been cast on us, and that when they when the when the cyber 804 01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:01.639 attack winds up happening, it's going to be because they built a backdoor into 805 01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:09.320 encryption when it was created in the nineteen nineties, and that all of the 806 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:13.119 things that we think of as being protected on the Internet are not. So 807 01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:15.639 I think that that will be the key to the black Swan event. So, 808 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:19.480 I see you is looking for your book presently, Stealth Power and the 809 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:24.760 Illusion of Democracy using AI to understand the puppet Masters. That's correct, that's 810 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:28.079 the book. Yep, I assume that's available world? Why that Amazon? 811 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:31.880 Is it? Indeed? Indeed? All right? So, the principle of 812 01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:40.519 educational brainwashing suggests a deliberate weakening of critical thinking in education. How do you 813 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:45.360 view the current state of education in this context and what implications does it have 814 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.440 for future generations? Well, I think at least in America. I'm not 815 01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:55.719 sure about Great Britain. In America, the education system was starting to be 816 01:05:55.760 --> 01:06:02.599 compromised. In around nineteen ten, it really got going with Carnegie and Rockefeller 817 01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:11.360 backing. But the main idea here is that we hold in the United States, 818 01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:15.840 we hold people up like Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson as these kind of 819 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:19.679 super brains who were much smarter than we were. But the reality is that 820 01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:25.400 they had a different education than we had, and that they were taught critical 821 01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:32.599 thinking skills as part of their core foundation of education. That has been replaced 822 01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:41.840 in the West by rows of people sitting in classrooms memorizing things, kind of 823 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:45.760 wrote, repeating things, and then getting tested on the number of things that 824 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:53.960 they can memorize. People at the higher levels of Cambridge and Oxford and some 825 01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:59.559 of the American ivies go through a different process where they actually learned critical thinking 826 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:06.079 skills. And so what's really been lost for most of humanity is critical thinking 827 01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:11.880 and critical thinking doesn't need to be a really complicated thing. It's part of 828 01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:15.840 what I'm trying to tackle in my next book, Reframing Reality, is that 829 01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:25.679 the big idea that will help people figure out what to do next is simply 830 01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:29.880 understanding what the right questions are that they need to be thinking about. And 831 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:35.920 as I alluded to earlier, simply confronting any situation where you're only being given 832 01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:42.239 to choices is a good place to start. So do you think TikTok is 833 01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:47.360 playing a role in that by dumbing down the American population showing mindless activities versus 834 01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:56.159 China showing the kids more educational videos. Well, it's again, it's the 835 01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:01.079 storytelling that the battle is between storytelling and critical thinking. And what the storytellers 836 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:06.199 do is they can continue to come up with more and more advanced ways to 837 01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:12.159 tell us stories. Because as long as you're consuming a story, as long 838 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:16.960 as you're becoming involved in this magical experience that is, you know, the 839 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:23.920 suspension of disbelief, you're not here in the real world. There's no scientists 840 01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:30.159 that ever invented anything that was watching television while they were doing it. Critical 841 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:35.520 thinking and science requires considered thought on things, and as long as you are 842 01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:42.600 being distracted or distracting yourself, then you are not using your critical thinking skills. 843 01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:46.560 So, Peter, are you worried about what's coming or do you have 844 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:54.199 your own bunka No, because the only thing that I can do is work 845 01:08:54.319 --> 01:09:00.920 on my own ability to manage the world using critical thinking skills. And you 846 01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:05.279 know my mission at this point, I've got, I've got I've got three 847 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:13.279 children, and I'm worried to death about their critical thinking ability, and I'm 848 01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:17.000 doing everything that I can in order to get them and the people around me 849 01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:23.199 to understand that they can figure out a way to solve this solution. But 850 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:28.399 unless they're thinking critically again, picking a different story, picking a Donald Trump 851 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.760 instead of a Joe Biden, is not actually going to solve this problem. 852 01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:39.079 Do you think the Internet enhances the young generation's critical thinking skills because they have 853 01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:42.960 access to so much more information that we didn't have access. I mean, 854 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:46.479 when I was growing up, we had three television channels BBC one, BBC 855 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:53.319 two, ITV whatever they said was the standard in the news programs. You 856 01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:57.000 could go down the library and get some books. But now these kids just 857 01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.520 can you know, they can read anything. Is it enhance critical think expills 858 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:04.159 or is it a double edged sword? It can, It's a tool like 859 01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:09.239 anything else. You know, it's a hammer, screwdriver. Question if they 860 01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:13.319 choose to use, if they if they want to consume porn twenty four hours 861 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:15.439 a day, it's not going to be a good thing. If they use 862 01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.800 it to be able to enhance their ability to think critically, then it is 863 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:28.199 a good thing. So you know, this is why the destruction of the 864 01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:33.119 family, This is why the loss of moral compasses is so important, because 865 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.800 if you have a moral compass, if you understand that you want to use 866 01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:41.199 this tool in order to enhance their critical thinking skills, then it's going to 867 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:45.239 be a good thing. But if you let yourself get distracted, you know, 868 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:49.000 by the Kardashians, then then you're going to be in a world of 869 01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:55.560 hurt. So it does not complete nuclear armageddon. Then if we discard that 870 01:10:55.640 --> 01:11:00.199 scenario, do you see them shepherding us off into kind of a Hunger Games 871 01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:05.720 type society? Uh? The divide and conquer is the Age Old or divide 872 01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:12.880 and rule is the is the Age Old technique that they use. So you 873 01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.760 know, sports ball is part of it. You know, get conditioning people 874 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:21.079 to pick a team is part of it. Conditioning people to pick a side 875 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:27.279 or pick a uh, pick someone is is part of that. And the 876 01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:31.439 only way around it, like I said, is to kind of understand that 877 01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:38.479 we all have something in common. I mean the inhumanity of what's going on 878 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:45.680 in gossip for example, is uh is something that we can use as a 879 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:49.319 as a rallying point for humanity to to to point to that and say, 880 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:55.640 hey, that's not okay. But as as long as we're picking a side, 881 01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.359 we're saying it's okay because this group of people is doing it, but 882 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:00.840 it's not okay if this other group is people is doing it. Which is 883 01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:04.439 the scenario that they're setting up. I mean you asked me earlier. Yeah, 884 01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:09.399 there'll be a cyber attack and then there'll be World War three in the 885 01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:13.239 East, and in order to get support for it, then there'll be anti 886 01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:18.279 war riots everywhere, and then they'll roll out the Muslim extremism in order to 887 01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.840 put all of the anti war people back in their box. If we understand 888 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:26.199 that that's coming, and we use our critical thinking skills in order to be 889 01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:30.760 able to question the false dichotomies that we wind up being presented with, then 890 01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:34.800 I think we have a chance. Fascinating Peter, we're gonna got one minute 891 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:39.359 left. His final question, then, Elon Musk in the info wars false 892 01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:43.159 for goods or about what do you think, well, I think, like 893 01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:45.640 I said, I think that we're in a battle between I think that Elon 894 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:50.159 is a critical thinker, and as I used in my example earlier, the 895 01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:55.880 critical thinkers wind up getting boxed in by word magicians. And I think that 896 01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.840 Elon is in this conundrum right now where he is a critical thinker who's been 897 01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:03.159 boxed in by word magicians, and he's trying to figure out a way to 898 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:08.840 get himself out of it. It's an old story and we'll see if he 899 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:13.039 if he makes good on it. Thank you, Peter, really appreciate you 900 01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:15.520 spending times. Can you tell the views where they can find you and support 901 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:17.119 you and get your book? Please? Sure if they go to the Duke 902 01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:20.159 Report dot com. That's my website and there's a link right at the top 903 01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:24.000 of the page where they can get the book, or they can go to 904 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:28.960 Amazon and they can type in Stealth Power and the Illusion of Democracy and they 905 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:31.479 can get my book. All right, you take care, my friend cheers 906 01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:34.800 from London. Thank you, Sean, Bye bye bye. All right, 907 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:39.920 we're gonna bring Steven back in now and we're going to be moving over to 908 01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:46.319 our next guest. Here we go. Hello, Hello, Oops, Peters 909 01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:53.960 Hi, thank you back with us temporarily, Peter, Dr G thanks for 910 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:56.199 joining us. How are you. I'm doing great, Stephen, how are 911 01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:59.760 you doing? Yeah, wonderful. Thanks for asking. Maybe you can just 912 01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:01.760 take moment to let our views and listeners know what it is you do, 913 01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:06.119 what keeps you busy. So I am a clinical and a forensic psychologist. 914 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:09.239 My name is doctor J. P. Garrison. I go by doctor G. 915 01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.680 I have a YouTube channel called doctor g Explains where I talk about true 916 01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.239 crime, talk about body language. I am a personality disorder expert. I 917 01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:21.439 treat and evaluate personality disorders and I also have a degree in encounter terrorism and 918 01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:25.760 an NBA. So I keep myself busy with a lot of things. Wow, 919 01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:29.920 that's a lot of degree in counter terrorism. I suppose, just as 920 01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:34.239 a quick left field question before we delve into your expertise in narcissism, in 921 01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:40.199 terms of counter terrorism, what would you say represents the greatest threat to either 922 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:45.399 the United States or globally in terms of terrorism in twenty twenty four. That's 923 01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:48.079 a great question in twenty twenty four, because when I was doing it, 924 01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:53.800 it was back when there were I think the there was a nightclub that had 925 01:14:53.840 --> 01:15:00.920 just been attacked by some Yeah, that was the pol Snip club was he 926 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:06.039 was an Islamist Oma Matine, right, and that was back at this point. 927 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:09.079 It's hard to say. It's all over the place. I think, 928 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:12.199 as strange as it sounds, I think the Internet, in its ability to 929 01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:15.520 indoctrinate people probably poses the biggest threat just in general. So there's not one 930 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:19.159 specific group that I have. There's quite a few. Actually, Okay, 931 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:24.760 that's I'm not sure if that's really unsettling or less unsettling. But to move 932 01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:30.239 on slightly, it seems that YouTubers afforded a wonderful platform for people such as 933 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:34.439 yourself to sort of exhibit your you know, kind of body language expertise and 934 01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:39.439 looking at people in you know, high profile cases these it seems to be 935 01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:44.479 very popular a pastime, and it's quite entertaining as well. And I just 936 01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:48.319 wondered if you could give people a basic overview of like the the sort of 937 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:51.880 academic aspects of it or the scientific aspects of it, because for some people 938 01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:56.760 they'll they'll think it's a science, so other people will compare it to sort 939 01:15:56.760 --> 01:15:59.920 of reading tea leaves. What can you tell us to make it sound like 940 01:15:59.920 --> 01:16:04.159 a credible field of expertise. So the body language that I have studied is 941 01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:08.199 all based in research. There's a lot of research on body language, a 942 01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:11.319 lot of good peer reviewed research actually, and a lot of that is based 943 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:15.800 in the idea that humans are very good at survival. So the body language 944 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:19.039 that we look for is twofold. One is when people make themselves more or 945 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:24.039 less vulnerable, Like the face and chest are places that are very vulnerable on 946 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.159 us. If we get attacked, those are going to be the most vital 947 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:30.000 parts. So when people cover or obscure those in some way, sometimes that 948 01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:33.119 can be telling. In addition to that, when people are feeling uncomfortable, 949 01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:36.760 they do things to pacify themselves. So if you're talking to somebody, you 950 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:41.319 get sort of a baseline of how they normally act, and then you ask 951 01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:45.039 them a question and you presume, what if they're lying right now, when 952 01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:48.039 they start trying to calm themselves down, that's a difference in behavior you look 953 01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:51.039 for, and so then you can maybe identify when people are starting to be 954 01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:55.960 deceptive and misleading things like that. But it's all very much based in cognitive 955 01:16:55.960 --> 01:17:00.840 science. Does your presence now make friends and family slightly uncomfortable way. They're 956 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:03.960 going to like straight jacket mode around you when during conversations. Family not so 957 01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:09.439 much, but friends do actually because they know that I'm actually I'm going to 958 01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:13.239 say something because I can't help but point things out. I can be annoying 959 01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:15.199 in that way. So sure, that's really funny. I've just had a 960 01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.920 great question in the chart actually from Fred wither always asked do you play poker 961 01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:26.680 a little bits? It's more just for fun. I can read people well, 962 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:29.079 but I don't have a good poker face myself, so it doesn't do 963 01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:31.159 me as much good fair enough, so I suppose. I mean, I've 964 01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:34.840 been looking at some of your YouTube output, and you know, it's fascinating 965 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:38.720 and one of the things you covered, because we had hours and hours of 966 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:41.680 footage, and I think the entire world was captivated by it was this Johnny 967 01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:46.640 heard Amber, Johnny Depp brother Amber heard trial, very public and bitter legal 968 01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:50.239 dispute. And I'm just thinking, with with them being actors as well, 969 01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:55.560 that I surely had a second third dimension, perhaps in the fact that they 970 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:59.319 are used to having, you know, high resolution cameras this close to the 971 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:01.640 face, and they're job is to convey an emotion, So they're very good 972 01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:06.279 at representing emotions, So how is it possible to really get a handle on 973 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:12.600 what they're doing body language wise? When their entire reason for existence normally is 974 01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:16.199 to convey something they're not actually feeling. It's much more challenging. That's a 975 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:21.439 great point. So people that are really practiced at acting lying trying to convey 976 01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:26.560 emotions that they aren't necessarily experiencing are going to be much harder to read with 977 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:30.079 body language because what we're looking at is a manifestation of emotion or an attempt 978 01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:33.920 to soothe emotions. So actors can be better at that, but you also 979 01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:38.439 have to be a really good actor to pull it up and inly, and 980 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.720 not everybody is, even actors, so sometimes they get things a little bit 981 01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:45.520 wrong. And when people start getting anxious, or when people are on the 982 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.439 stand, like in the Johnny deppamber Heard trial, when they were pressed and 983 01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:53.640 anger or other emotions would would push through, that would sort of overwhelm what 984 01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:57.399 they maybe wanted to portray. You could you could see a different dimensions than 985 01:18:57.479 --> 01:19:00.479 maybe where they were what they were trying to do. Well, I mean, 986 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:01.399 let's let's I mean, I know it was a while ago, but 987 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:05.079 people are still very fascinated in this couple. In this case, I mean 988 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:09.800 just focusing on Johnny Depp perhaps for a moment. What are some of the 989 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:13.279 things that jumped out about you that you managed to get from his body language 990 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:18.039 which he thought that's interesting, that conveys something that's quite revealing. I'm trying 991 01:19:18.039 --> 01:19:23.199 to remember myself, you know, some of it is. I thought people 992 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:26.520 were a little bit soft on Johnny Depp. So I actually covered Johnny Depp 993 01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.039 a good bit because people were more focus than I ever heard, which there 994 01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:30.560 was plenty to cover there, don't get me wrong, but people didn't focus 995 01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:35.159 as much on Johnny Depp. And there was one of the things that it 996 01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:38.920 seemed that he would do, at least my observation, was it seemed that 997 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:43.119 he would talk down to attorneys in a certain way. He would try to 998 01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:46.319 make himself seem sympathetic at times when it didn't really make much sense, and 999 01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:51.960 he would be patronizing at other times. And there was body languages that suggested 1000 01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.199 that that suggests a certain level of heartiness and things like that at times. 1001 01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:59.920 Yeah, I caught that as well. For Sean, And in terms of 1002 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.279 her, I mean she seemed to have the worst deal publicly, even before 1003 01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:05.359 the verdict, a lot of people would turn on her. There was a 1004 01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:10.399 lot of memes going around mocking her in sincerity, pointing out the fact that 1005 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:15.079 she's an actress and not particularly good. One was the kind of uncharitable conclusion 1006 01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:18.239 people were making, What did you make of her? Hers was actually very 1007 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:23.399 challenging because I think there were aspects of what she showed that could have been 1008 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:29.600 very genuine, but they were combined with this performance to maybe seem like she 1009 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:31.800 was feeling more than she was at times, So it was confusing. So 1010 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:35.479 it wasn't like everything was one hundred percent and authentic necessarily, but it was 1011 01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:40.439 so performative that it overshadowed anything that might have been real in there. So 1012 01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:44.960 it was just she sort of overwhelmed people with this strange sort of behavior. 1013 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:49.560 Yeah, I mean, is there a higher correlation with narcissism in the entertainment 1014 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:54.159 industry and celebrities? And if so, what in your view would explain that 1015 01:20:55.319 --> 01:20:59.079 one hundred percent? There is because it attracts people that think they're special. 1016 01:20:59.479 --> 01:21:04.960 SOT understanding narcissism is understanding that the cornerstone of Narcissism is grandiosity. It's people 1017 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:11.520 that genuinely believe they are better than other people. And so that is going 1018 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:15.119 to people like that are going to gravitate to politics, to acting, the 1019 01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:18.239 places where everybody can see how special they are because they feel it. So 1020 01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:23.000 you're going to have a disproportionate number of narcissists coming out of Hollywood, no 1021 01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:28.399 question. And I suppose and finacists has this really grand opinion of themselves. 1022 01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:30.560 I suppose that you know, they feel that they are specially in some way 1023 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:34.319 as you've you've pointed out they can do no wrong. What kind of things 1024 01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:40.000 can they do behavior wise or not? Perceptions sort of challenge, How does 1025 01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:42.600 that manifest in either their body language other things they say, you know, 1026 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:45.279 behave you wise? So one of the things we see with their body language 1027 01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:50.000 they'll invade other people's space. They will be very expansive, they will try 1028 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:54.159 to be the biggest person in the room. And so one of the things 1029 01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:59.319 that we'll see in terms of the body language, like if it's in a 1030 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:02.439 relationship, for example, they'll do things to make other people feel smaller, 1031 01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:06.279 Like if they know that somebody wants to be left alone, they'll find subtle 1032 01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:11.239 ways to manipulate and irritate or to get close. They'll do things knowing it's 1033 01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:15.520 gonna bother somebody else. Nothing bothers a narcissist more than seeing someone else feel 1034 01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:18.960 calm and feel good. Like if there's a couple, one person's a narcissist, 1035 01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:23.520 the other person's doing fine and they're sitting there enjoying their day, the 1036 01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:26.520 narcissist will find a way to go like, huh, did you really decide 1037 01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:28.399 to wear that shirt today? Or something? You know, they'll come up 1038 01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:31.880 with some way to make them feel off kilter and make sure they're feeling unsettled. 1039 01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:35.760 So they have a lot of different ways to get at people. That's 1040 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:40.479 really interesting, and it's I've just thought now actually in terms of narciss im, 1041 01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:44.640 and it seems like it's probably a lot more common than people suspect. 1042 01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:47.520 And I was just wondering, is this all of any kind of evolutionary psychology 1043 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:50.800 on this that what kind of you know, function it might serve why people 1044 01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:56.880 might evolve to be narcissist. It does it offer opportunities or a certain adaptations 1045 01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:00.079 that could be useful. They do make good leaders because they don't care. 1046 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:04.600 They have enough, let me freephrase, that they lack empathy to the point 1047 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:08.760 that they can tell people to do things and they're not worried about their well 1048 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:12.640 being. So we see lots of world leaders that are narcissists. There are 1049 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:15.159 some research that suggest, and I don't know how accurate this is, that 1050 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:19.319 had researched US presidents back a few decades and basically it had come to the 1051 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:26.399 conclusion that they all likely had some degree of pathological narcissism. So they do 1052 01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:30.159 make good leaders, just like people with borderline personality make good followers, So 1053 01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:33.239 they make great soldiers. A guy with a borderline personality that is willing to 1054 01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:40.079 run into battle and risk his life for this for their leader to a degree 1055 01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:43.760 that is pathological, not like a normal soldier, but one that's really wild. 1056 01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:46.479 Like there's an adaptive function to that too. So all of these personality 1057 01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:53.079 disorders awful for relationships universally, but they do have their roles. They do 1058 01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:57.520 work well in certain roles. It's interesting to think that civilization might depend on 1059 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:03.000 the convergence of several personality disorders. Yeah, I mean the politics one's fascinating, 1060 01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.000 and I can think of a few people off the top of my head 1061 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:08.800 it might relate to. But I mean, what have you observed over the 1062 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:13.680 last few election cycles in terms of which leaders exhibit exhibit this sort of narcisistic 1063 01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:19.800 personality sort of is this I'm most obviously familiar with US politics, But if 1064 01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:24.279 we go back the past few presidents we've had, or if I think about 1065 01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:28.640 like Bill Clinton, Obama, Trump, they all show signs of narcissism. 1066 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:33.119 They all seem to think that they are special to a degree that they have 1067 01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:38.359 different types of charisma. Though that's the most distinguishing factor. I've really had 1068 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:43.640 people be upset with me when I've suggested that Obama likely has some narcissistic tendencies. 1069 01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:45.239 So they're, yeah, but he seems so nice. It's like, 1070 01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:47.920 well, he's got a better sense of audience than someone like Donald Trump does. 1071 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:51.439 But that doesn't mean that he's not also a narcissist. So, I 1072 01:24:51.439 --> 01:24:55.159 mean, how does it fall narcissism or on the spectrum. I mean, 1073 01:24:55.159 --> 01:25:00.159 I'm assuming there are different kind of gradiations of it to an extent, So 1074 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:06.960 the spectrum of narcissism, if we were to look at it, is there's 1075 01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:12.840 narcissistic personality disorder which would be its worst form personality disorders, which I can 1076 01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:16.920 explain if need be, but in essence they are when one aspect of the 1077 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:21.640 personality is so strong and so dysfunction dysfunctional, it overwhelms the rest of the 1078 01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:26.800 personality that that's just the dominant trait. So for someone with like borderline personality, 1079 01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:31.239 the dominant trait there is instability, so their instability dominates everything else. 1080 01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:35.760 But they lack the most is proportionality. Nothing is proportional that they react to 1081 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:43.279 with narcissism. Grandiosity dominates everything, and a lack of equality is their biggest 1082 01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:45.880 deficiency. They don't see, they don't understand the concepts. They truly don't 1083 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:49.720 understand the concept of equality, because everybody is less than they are, unless 1084 01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:54.359 maybe you're special like them, and then you get to qualify as being on 1085 01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:58.079 their level. There's a lot of people as well who will look at personality 1086 01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:01.720 disorders now and say, you know that the prevalance of it in the common 1087 01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:08.279 areas is just a kind of products of amodi cuddling society. Everything everyone's got 1088 01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:12.000 an issue. Now, everyone's got something that they can put in their biography 1089 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:15.039 on Twitter, for instance, And I mean, how much of that do 1090 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:17.000 you think is true? Is a case if we've simply just got better at 1091 01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:23.399 understanding and diagnosing these these personality disorders, I think I think it's a little 1092 01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:27.279 bit of both. I think that we definitely are much better at our identifying 1093 01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:30.800 it now. We're able to categorize pathological behavior and say, hey, like 1094 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:34.000 that person, that's that person is not just eccentric, that's a problem of 1095 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:38.079 some kind. So I think that in some ways we're able to identify these 1096 01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:42.840 things better and others. I think that people use these terms very commonly where 1097 01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:45.239 they may not fully apply. Where somebody may be acting narcissistic, but they 1098 01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:48.880 don't they're not a literal narcissist. There is a difference between somebody who is 1099 01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:54.920 a bit self involved, a bit grandiose, versus someone who sees human beings 1100 01:26:54.960 --> 01:27:00.039 as objects to get their needs met, Like there's genuinely lack empathiesret can't understand 1101 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:04.840 what it feels like for the for the average person. So I think the 1102 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:09.279 percentages are probably the same as they've always been. I mean, it seems 1103 01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:12.960 like there's a little I mean, I'm obviously of a low level understanding of 1104 01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:16.399 this, but it seems like there's a slight crossover between pop sociopathy and narcissism. 1105 01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:18.720 I mean, how can we how do we distinguish between the two? 1106 01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:23.560 Then empathy is one of the main you know, correlations, that's a great 1107 01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:29.439 question, the biggest difference, and there is a lot of overlap. So 1108 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:33.920 so being a sociopath or anti antisocial personality disorder that tends to be the bucket 1109 01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:38.399 we put some of those people in, but it's not always the case. 1110 01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:41.880 You can be a narcissist and be someone who's a sociopath and just be a 1111 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.439 narcissist. You know. One of the things that I do on my channel 1112 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:46.840 is evaluate a lot of psychopaths and murderers people like that. And there are 1113 01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:50.520 plenty of them that if you were to give them a diagnosis, narcissistic personality 1114 01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:56.319 would be the primary one, but there is. They're all part of the 1115 01:27:56.359 --> 01:28:00.279 same cluster of personality disorders. It's called Cluster B, which is historyonic board 1116 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:04.319 and I know it gets complicated, but historyonic, borderline, narcissistic, and 1117 01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:10.159 anti social and anybody who meets any of those probably has some traits of the 1118 01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:13.039 other ones too. It's the whole cluster sort of comes together. It's just 1119 01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:16.279 which one is the most dominant of those bunch. That's fascinating. And I 1120 01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:19.800 mean, who's really interesting to look back at in terms of, you know, 1121 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:25.319 a prolific kind of serial killer or murderer perhaps that we've got footage of 1122 01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:29.720 that perhaps at the time wasn't evaluated because you know, the field of study 1123 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:31.159 wasn't as advanced as it is now. There wasn't as many people looking into 1124 01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:34.640 it. Who's interesting to look back at now and apply these tools and say, 1125 01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:39.680 ah, I think I can see a pattern of narcissism here. One 1126 01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:42.920 of the guys that I think is most interesting there was a serial killer that, 1127 01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:45.359 like every horror movie in the eighties was basically based on. This guy 1128 01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:48.720 named Edmund Kemper. He was an American serial killer in the early seventies, 1129 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:54.479 otherwise known as the co Ed Killer. Extremely charismatic, kind of nerdy, 1130 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:58.600 but for whatever reason, very likable. And the things that he did are 1131 01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:01.640 beyond description. I won't go into any of them now because they're truly awful, 1132 01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:05.000 Like he was beyond He's as bad as any human being I can think 1133 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:08.359 of. But when you watch him talk, you kind of want to like 1134 01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:12.760 the guy. You kind of get drawn in by him. And part of 1135 01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:15.079 what I try to do on my channel is explain to people how to not 1136 01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:17.119 get drawn in by this stuff, because it's hard sometimes not to like a 1137 01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:23.000 charismatic narcissist. You want to like them because they make themselves likable until you're 1138 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:26.159 in a personal relationship with them and then you realize, okay, this is 1139 01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:29.760 not so great, but superficially you want to like these folks. But yeah, 1140 01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:32.039 Edmund Kimper is a good example of that. I will definitely add that 1141 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:35.720 one to my list. That's not something I'm familiar with. I suppose in 1142 01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:40.000 terms of that charismatic kill, I think Ted Bundy probably had a bit of 1143 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.279 that. So, I mean, that's interesting to me how you say you 1144 01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:45.600 spend a lot of time trying to school people on how not to be sucked 1145 01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.680 into that kind of thing. Because when I'm a people person, whenever I 1146 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:50.239 meet a person, I want to like them. I want to, you 1147 01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:54.079 know, be happy about being in this person's presence. They have to do 1148 01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:57.399 quite a bit for me to not like them. So how would you kind 1149 01:29:57.399 --> 01:30:01.520 of guard help people guard against the people you have got like a narcisistic traits 1150 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:06.399 people will oftentimes tell you who they are. Narcissists generally don't try to hide 1151 01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:11.039 it. So when somebody says, like tells you that they're self involved or 1152 01:30:11.079 --> 01:30:13.600 that they really care, that they care more about themselves than other people, 1153 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:15.920 listen to them, even if they're saying in a joking way. Go, 1154 01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:16.960 you know what, if you're telling me that you're awful, I'm going to 1155 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:19.560 actually believe you, because a lot of these folks will tell you that. 1156 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:23.600 Then they'll play it off like it's a joke. But people will oftentimes tell 1157 01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:27.079 you exactly who they are, So listen to them. I mean, that's 1158 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:30.079 that's fascinating how they might play off as a joke, because you'd think good 1159 01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:35.840 humor or effective humor probably relies on some feeling or understanding of the human condition 1160 01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:39.399 and human emotions and human empathy and stuff like that. I mean, so 1161 01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:42.720 is it just a case of that Maybe narcists have just got good at manipulating 1162 01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:48.199 with humor. Yeah, they know how. They have enough empathy to manipulate 1163 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:50.840 people, but that's pretty much it. They don't actually feel what you feel 1164 01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:54.960 in the sense that like if you if they've made you feel bad, that 1165 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:58.840 they're gonna be affected by that, but they understand people's feelings and emotion as 1166 01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:01.960 well enough to manipulate them. So that's really their core, is their master 1167 01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:05.319 manipulator. It's a very good at it. So I don't know if this 1168 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:10.119 is somebody or somebody's rather you've been keeping an eye on. But we had 1169 01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:14.800 a huge in the UK rather with huge fascination and media circus around Mega Markel 1170 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:19.920 and the other one whose names just eluded me, Prince Harry. Of course 1171 01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:25.079 this is that you can tell I'm a big monarchist. And they were not 1172 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:29.079 particularly popular in the UK, and then they went and moved to America. 1173 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:31.399 Sorry about that. And they have also been out the sense of a lot 1174 01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:35.359 of American media interest as well. A lot of people are specifically looking at 1175 01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:39.840 Megan and reading certain things. He's obviously got the actress background. Is this 1176 01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:43.199 somebody who you've looked at at all in this regard? I haven't looked at 1177 01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:46.439 her a lot because I focused so much on true crime. There's certain people 1178 01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:49.079 that I say, this sounds kind of strange. Actually, there's certain people 1179 01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:55.640 that I see that bother me more than some of the murderers and psychopaths. 1180 01:31:56.199 --> 01:32:00.039 Oh wow, So I haven't followed a ton of it, their aspects of 1181 01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:03.920 Megan Markle just from the bits I've seen, because like I said, I 1182 01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:08.880 haven't followed it closely, so I haven't done like this thorough analysis. But 1183 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:14.239 there are aspects of her that sort of immediately feel they don't feel genuine, 1184 01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:15.920 and a lot of us pick up on that very quickly. Humans are very 1185 01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:20.479 good at figuring out if somebody's being authentic, and there's something even in passing 1186 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:25.279 about her. And once again, this is not some sort of deep analysis, 1187 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:30.760 This is just my passing observation that feels inauthentic. Yeah, I would 1188 01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:33.880 tend to agree on that for sure. And you started this conversation by when 1189 01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:39.039 we briefly touched on counter extremism by pointing to the issue of social media and 1190 01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:43.079 what that's creating and how I mean, what frightens me particularly about is the 1191 01:32:43.079 --> 01:32:45.760 fact that it doesn't matter what a view you have, or how extreme it 1192 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:49.680 is or how untethered from reality is, you can find enough people online who 1193 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:54.239 will reinforce that view and be part of your tribe, and you can kind 1194 01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:57.399 of live in a little echo chamber of any flavor. And I was just 1195 01:32:57.479 --> 01:33:00.960 wondering what sort of thing is what's not doing social media to our mental health? 1196 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:05.479 And how does that relate to narcissism. It's not doing much good for 1197 01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:09.119 our mental health. I can say that for sure. I don't mind the 1198 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:12.600 concept of social media, but exactly what you're talking about is happening, which 1199 01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:16.399 is that we're taking bizarre or illegitimate positions and you have enough people that agree 1200 01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:19.359 with it, then you have an echo chamber saying, yeah, you're completely 1201 01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:25.279 stupid. Position is great, you should just follow this follow this position to 1202 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.079 eternity. And then people do, and then they no longer can function with 1203 01:33:29.119 --> 01:33:32.239 other people. So we see it's the vast majority of people that interact with 1204 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:38.399 social media. I think it's fine, but there is definitely percentages of people 1205 01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:42.359 that are pulling getting pulled to the extremes in a variety of ways. Left 1206 01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:44.479 right. I would say it's center, but if you're center, you're not 1207 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:48.399 getting pulled anywhere. But that are on the far degrees of the spectrum politically 1208 01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:54.840 and otherwise, and we are seeing I think the vast majority of us are 1209 01:33:55.399 --> 01:33:58.439 fine with social media, but when you take people that are vulnerable, that's 1210 01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:01.399 really the key issues with somebody's vulnerable. It can it can pull you in 1211 01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:06.479 ways that can be very destructive. Yeah. I think a few years ago, 1212 01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:09.880 well more one of a few years ago, I was a little bit 1213 01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:13.800 dismissive of this issue in the sense that I'd say, you know, all 1214 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:17.680 the extreme views we see online playing out, that's not really real life. 1215 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:19.960 You know, you open the front door and you walk outside, and all 1216 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:24.560 that suddenly goes away, and there's the real world where there are reasonable people 1217 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:28.560 to a certain extent, doing reasonable people things. Doesn't feel like that's quite 1218 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:31.840 so true anymore? Does It feels like this kind of online world, this 1219 01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:36.560 online mentality is kind of spilling over into our politics, into our academia. 1220 01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:40.600 Is that something you would say? It is fair? Absolutely, And the 1221 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:45.039 scariest part of it to me is, and I'm sure there's people who've researched 1222 01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:49.000 this a lot more than I have, but what percentage of people are even 1223 01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:53.880 real people that people are interacting with online? I mean there's bots and stuff 1224 01:34:53.880 --> 01:34:59.960 that specifically are there to help divide people, things like Facebook. The problems 1225 01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:03.399 I have with social media is I think that some of the algorithms like people 1226 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:08.960 arguing, because I've noticed sometimes if I'm on Facebook or something. It will 1227 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:12.640 send me articles that if I was to respond, I would definitely be arguing 1228 01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:15.760 with somebody. I'm like, I'm not engaging with this because it's trying to 1229 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:18.000 get me to argue, and I don't want to do it. But it's 1230 01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:23.279 this tendency to get us irritated with people that disagree with us, and then 1231 01:35:23.319 --> 01:35:27.960 find people that agree with more extreme views that we have. It's just it's 1232 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:30.039 I don't know if that's by design or if that's just how it's played out, 1233 01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:33.000 but it's really unfortunate. I think, how much do you how much 1234 01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:38.520 stock are you putting this idea of foreign manipulation in terms of trying trying a 1235 01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:43.600 new kind of form of warfare, sort of digital manipulation and getting us all 1236 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:46.439 fighting on social media where they, you know, they dominate. I mean, 1237 01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:50.560 I imagine there's a certain extent of that. I imagine there's a certain 1238 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:54.560 amount of it, But how how high up and now prevalent is I don't 1239 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:58.000 know what what's your kind of handle on that sort of thing. My feeling 1240 01:35:58.039 --> 01:36:00.560 is that that's that there's a lot of that going on. I think that 1241 01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:04.279 that gets these conversations started, and then idiots take over that are real people 1242 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:13.039 and that are and echo these these ideas because I've seen otherwise rational people talk 1243 01:36:13.079 --> 01:36:16.720 about some pretty stupid things that I feel like, you know, may have 1244 01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:21.680 gotten started by what you're talking about, like you know, foreign actors in 1245 01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:26.439 some way trying to cause harm and it working. But I don't think that 1246 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:29.640 it's exclusively that, but I do think there I think there has to be 1247 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:31.239 a large component of that. But this is not research space. This is 1248 01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:34.720 an assumption I'm making, but that I think logically it's it's hard to imagine 1249 01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:40.399 that's not happening. Quite a lot. Have you done much reflection in this 1250 01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:45.640 regard in terms of Nazism and you know, charismatic serial killers on perhaps Charles 1251 01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:49.760 Man, some one of the most notorious people didn't actually kill anyone directly himself 1252 01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:57.279 obviously was been prison for the you know, influencing others to carry out murders, 1253 01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:00.880 and he seemed in the video footage I've seen a very interesting, often 1254 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:05.119 humorous, entertaining, you know, smart philosophical individual, batshit crazy as well, 1255 01:37:05.439 --> 01:37:10.760 but very interesting. What kind of things of you thought watching his behavior 1256 01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:14.720 in interviews? Well, I've watched quite a bit of Charles Manson. I 1257 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:18.119 think that he's sort of fascinating in the sense that we know that some of 1258 01:37:18.159 --> 01:37:23.159 what he does is a performance. There's an interview that he did with he 1259 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:27.720 was Diane Sawyer where if you watch the whole thing afterward, they actually show 1260 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:30.800 they take a break and he's like talking about how he's kind of playing He's 1261 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:32.199 like, do I do a good job? Kind of like, you know, 1262 01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:35.239 playing it up? So, I mean he very much does try to 1263 01:37:35.239 --> 01:37:39.399 play this role of this evil, crazy guy. Now he was crazy and 1264 01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:44.680 he definitely was not a not a good person at all, But he's a 1265 01:37:44.680 --> 01:37:46.800 hard one to read because so much of it is a performance. But I 1266 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:50.439 genuinely believe he was a horrible person. So like, I'm not defending him 1267 01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:54.319 in any way. Yeah, let's just get the disclaimer out here. Not 1268 01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:58.479 fans of Charles Manson in any way for sure. Just add another great question 1269 01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:04.119 in the aexus asked since the lockdowns, has Dr g observed more people's disorders 1270 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:08.800 are more visible? So I mean it's lockdown had in an effect in that 1271 01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:13.159 regard on anxiety. Yes, anxiety has been through the roof, and I'm 1272 01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:16.840 seeing that manifest in different ways because people are spending a lot more time alone 1273 01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:19.880 now, a lot more people are And I don't I don't criticize working from 1274 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:21.479 home. I think it's great if you can do it, you know, 1275 01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:27.399 that's not a bad thing. But I am seeing when people particularly that are 1276 01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:30.520 living alone or that don't you know, not not partnered up, or don't 1277 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:32.279 have families or whatever, that are just by themselves, like you know, 1278 01:38:32.359 --> 01:38:35.439 the vast majority of hours of the week. It's making anxiety worse. So 1279 01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:43.439 I definitely think that at least for anxiety and depression as well, we're seeing 1280 01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:46.479 an uptick of that ever since the pandemic started. So yeah, that makes 1281 01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:49.920 sense. And just getting back to this this problem of social media and falling 1282 01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:55.880 into silos and perhaps going down conspiratorial routes and going to extreme left or right. 1283 01:38:56.039 --> 01:38:59.039 What wa'ts the solution to this? Because it seems like social media is 1284 01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:01.960 a phenomenon in human civilization, is a very new thing. It's in its 1285 01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:05.520 infant so we all quite don't know what we've got yet in that regard, 1286 01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:09.680 we don't quite know the extent of the damage it can cause. Is this 1287 01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:13.920 something that needs to be taught in skills in terms of how to manage screen 1288 01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:17.199 time or do we need more emphasis on critical thinking, perhaps so that we 1289 01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:21.880 can spot fake news and conspiracies and things like that. Yes, but we 1290 01:39:21.960 --> 01:39:26.039 got to make sure the critical thinking is coming from the right person. There 1291 01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:28.680 and lies the issue is what type of critical thinking do we use. I 1292 01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:32.319 think critical thinking is extremely important, but at the same time, you know, 1293 01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:36.479 okay, let me explain it this way. The smarter somebody is once 1294 01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:41.520 they believe something ridiculous, the more they will defend it. And so we 1295 01:39:41.640 --> 01:39:45.000 have people, even very good critical thinkers, who believe things that are completely 1296 01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:49.680 ridiculous and we'll defend it tooth and nail because they know that they're smart. 1297 01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:53.560 They're used to critically thinking, so once they've become convinced of this, then 1298 01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:57.159 they double down on something that might be totally wrong. So it's very hard. 1299 01:39:57.159 --> 01:40:00.760 But yes, we need to critical thinking and teaching critical thinking extremely important. 1300 01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:02.840 I don't think less screen time is necessarily the solution, because I don't 1301 01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:06.760 think that's inherently the problem. I think the problem is that we need comfortable 1302 01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:12.560 saying two extreme voices like that's extreme, I'm not going to listen to you. 1303 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.720 That's the solution is to take extreme voices to go. Okay, that's 1304 01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:19.520 an extreme position. I'm not interested in that. So getting a little more 1305 01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:23.760 closer, a little closer to the center, I think is probably the solution. 1306 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:27.600 Okay, so you spent a bit of time, obviously looking at Johnny 1307 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:31.079 Depp and umberheard in the past. Is there anyone else in the public are 1308 01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:35.159 using the entertainment industry who's caught your eye recently? You thought this is this 1309 01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:42.359 person is worth observing for certain reasons. So, oh, that's a good 1310 01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:46.000 question. There's a lot of people in Hollywood, and I'm not trying to 1311 01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:48.479 sound negative here, but I just don't like there's people that just give me 1312 01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:59.000 a bad vibe. Somebody name and shame right. Well, now one person, 1313 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:03.359 And just to be super super clear what I'm saying here, I was 1314 01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:08.359 watching Jimmy Kimmel and Aaron Rodgers talking about like all this this Epstein stuff. 1315 01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:10.920 This is not related to any of that because this goes far back. But 1316 01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:14.680 like Jimmy Kimmel, for example, as somebody who I have a distinct dislike 1317 01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:17.760 for. I don't like the energy he gives off. He feels like sort 1318 01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:21.000 of a hypocrite. Like there's certain people that I just don't like Ellen was 1319 01:41:21.079 --> 01:41:24.800 like that too. I did not like her from the beginning. It was 1320 01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:28.239 no question that once people started saying things about her, it's like, yes, 1321 01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:30.159 obviously she is like this. She once again she seems to have warned 1322 01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:32.880 on her sleeve that she seems to be that type of person. So it 1323 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:35.239 was no shock that when people were like, yeah, she's really mean, 1324 01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:39.640 we don't like her. There's a number of people in Hollywood that give me 1325 01:41:39.680 --> 01:41:41.560 that feel. But Jimmy Kimmel's the first one to come to mind, just 1326 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:44.239 because I've been seeing him in the news. But I don't think there's anything 1327 01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:46.359 related to him in the Epstein stuff that's totally immterial to what I'm talking about. 1328 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:49.039 Yeah, I think the other Jimmy does that for me, Jimmy Fallon. 1329 01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:55.479 I find him very insincere. Yeah, okay, So in terms of 1330 01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:58.560 you know, I just want to I'm really fascinated by this idea of social 1331 01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:00.439 media and I think, I mean it's the is there a case to be 1332 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:04.520 made in some way that perhaps the data recrued over social media of the last 1333 01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:09.680 decade might be one of the biggest case stories, case studies rather we've ever 1334 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:12.800 had in terms of data for kind of personality disorders and things. I like. 1335 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:16.319 It seems it seems to be a high correlation with very online individuals and 1336 01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:24.279 personality disorders in my experience. Absolutely, The question is is if we're to 1337 01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:28.319 get good research on it, we also need to know in what ways And 1338 01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:31.720 let me figure how to phrase this. But it's sort of how the engagement's 1339 01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:34.520 been manipulated by the people who run it. Like Twitter, for example, 1340 01:42:34.640 --> 01:42:40.119 is just assesspool pretty much, not always, but I mean, there's plenty 1341 01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:42.159 of good people on there, but somehow when I would get on there, 1342 01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:45.600 it just seemed like just angry, vicious people just attacking each other at the 1343 01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:48.720 time. And so it's like, was that by design or is that just 1344 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:54.479 because people are angry and vicious? Right, So if we can know sort 1345 01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:58.600 of if these are just pure interactions with people and all that, I just 1346 01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:02.239 okay to answer your question more cleanly. Yes, there's a ton of we 1347 01:43:02.279 --> 01:43:05.520 can more understand more about the human condition than we've ever been able to if 1348 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:10.520 we can collect all this data from social media. But that also includes being 1349 01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:13.560 aware of you know, that they want us to argue and engage with each 1350 01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:15.439 other, So that adds to it. Excellent. Well, doctor J. 1351 01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:20.119 This has flown by. If people wanted to find out more about you and 1352 01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:26.079 more of your work, where would they go? Uh, doctorgexplains dot com 1353 01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:30.359 is my website. I've got some content on there that if people are interested 1354 01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:31.600 in. I have a couple of courses, have a course on body language. 1355 01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:34.880 But doctor g explains, on YouTube is the best place to find me. 1356 01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:40.079 I'm always creating new content analyzing, mostly true crime, but sometimes other 1357 01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:43.960 things as well. Talk a lot about body language and narcissism and things like 1358 01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:45.520 that. So yeah, right here on YouTube is the best place to find 1359 01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:48.640 me. Wonderful. It's been absolute pleasure. Thank you very much speaking to 1360 01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:51.479 us. You bet, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Thank 1361 01:43:51.920 --> 01:44:00.840 all right, thanks by thank you, and I think our producer we'll be 1362 01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:05.680 removing you from there we go, There we go. I love the awkward 1363 01:44:05.800 --> 01:44:13.920 overlap between saying goodbye and just sitting there like that. It's fun. John 1364 01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:15.800 Moody, thanks for joining us. How are you, sir? I'm doing 1365 01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:18.600 very well. Steven. Thanks for having me. It's how pleasure. Thank 1366 01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:21.920 you for coming on. Maybe you could take a moment, if you don't 1367 01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:25.560 mind, just to let people know what you do what keeps you busy? 1368 01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:31.319 Oh, well, many things, but sometimes just washing the dishes after dinner. 1369 01:44:31.439 --> 01:44:36.199 But that's not what we're here to talk about. I worked for about 1370 01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:42.399 twenty six years for Fox News in the United States, and after that I 1371 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:47.039 retired and started writing books. And I've just completed the third book, part 1372 01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:53.840 of a trilogy about China and the Western World and how China is a threat 1373 01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:58.760 to the Western world. So that's what keeps me busy now and talking about 1374 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:02.079 that with people like you and working on the next book. Excellent. Well, 1375 01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:04.920 I mean your experience at Fox News, that's fascinating to me. When 1376 01:45:04.920 --> 01:45:12.279 did you retire. I retired in twenty eighteen. Twenty eighteen. Yeah, 1377 01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:17.479 it was a tumultuous year for Fox. It was the the year shortly after 1378 01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:23.920 Roger Hills was ousted as its chairman, and things started to change very quickly 1379 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:28.039 at Fox News. And I built up enough time and I guess enough of 1380 01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:30.319 a pension that I thought this was the time to make a great selection, 1381 01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:32.960 as I will try to do at the end of this interview. As you 1382 01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:39.319 were pointing out with your previous guests, there's just that's much appreciated. John, 1383 01:45:39.399 --> 01:45:43.760 Thank you. I suppose. I mean, Fox News are very emblematic 1384 01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.600 news station of America and politics, and it has been right in the thick 1385 01:45:47.640 --> 01:45:50.479 of all, you know, so many big election cycles, and it's kind 1386 01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:56.159 of regarded differently depending on whether you're a conservative or whether you're left leaning liberal. 1387 01:45:56.479 --> 01:46:00.079 I mean, what's your perception of it as a news organization into in 1388 01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:05.399 terms of objective journalism versus say propaganda. Well, I guess the answer to 1389 01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:10.239 that is it depends on what time of day you're talking about. For much 1390 01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:16.199 of the daytime hours, Box News is reliable, pretty much straightforward news organization. 1391 01:46:16.760 --> 01:46:20.359 When the evening comes and the sun begins to set, you know, 1392 01:46:20.399 --> 01:46:25.800 the vampires come out, and there's a lot of talk shows that express opinions 1393 01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:29.760 rather than facts that have been proven and can be shared with our audience. 1394 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:34.319 That's fascinating to me because I mean, I live in the UK and our 1395 01:46:34.439 --> 01:46:41.000 news media is very heavily regulated in terms of if they are emphatic with one 1396 01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:44.640 particular viewpoint, they have to then balance it out with an opposing voice, 1397 01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:47.880 and they can actually run into a lot of trouble financially from big you know 1398 01:46:48.520 --> 01:46:53.399 kind of regulatory bodies. They can get fines and things like that, and 1399 01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:55.960 part of me is kind of happy for that, and part of me thinks, 1400 01:46:55.960 --> 01:46:59.079 well, that's a free speech issue. Where do you lie in terms 1401 01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:00.840 of regulating the media in that sense? You think it's a good idea to 1402 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:08.560 have people regulate objectivity on news channels. No, by and large, it's 1403 01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:12.000 always a comforting feeling to think that Mummy is there to make sure that everything 1404 01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:15.159 is all right in your life. The truth is, Mummy, sometimes, 1405 01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:18.079 you know, has had a nip of gin and gone off the road a 1406 01:47:18.119 --> 01:47:25.279 bit. I think that offcom is I'll say it and I'll take take whatever 1407 01:47:25.359 --> 01:47:29.319 consequences are coming. I think that offcom is a terrible idea that abuses its 1408 01:47:29.399 --> 01:47:31.760 power and abuses it with one purpose in mind, and that's to shut down 1409 01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:38.840 one tone of voice. Uh, and that doesn't really comply with democracy the 1410 01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:42.319 way I understand it. We don't worry. We're not regulated by off come 1411 01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:45.479 of it. It's practically the Wild West over on YouTube, which would be 1412 01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:47.680 good to know unless we say anything considered to be hate speech, and then 1413 01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:51.479 maybe we'll get a visit from a UK bobby, but it seems unlikely. 1414 01:47:51.840 --> 01:47:55.840 I know there are limits, and I'll try to stay hot between the sidelines. 1415 01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:59.840 Wonderful. Appreciate it. So tell me about your perception of Biden then, 1416 01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:02.600 I mean, how is he doing as a president? First of all, 1417 01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:06.680 I mean it seems to me that he's less exciting from a new cycle 1418 01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:11.000 point of view. A lot of people, I think appreciate that. A 1419 01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:14.920 lot of people are pointing to his frailties and kind of cognitive issues that he 1420 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:16.880 seems to be having. What's your perception of his time in charge so far? 1421 01:48:20.119 --> 01:48:26.680 I think he was a necessary corrective to the four tumultuous years of Donald 1422 01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:31.199 Trump's presidency. I think people were looking for a commer atmosphere. I think 1423 01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:38.279 they were looking for someone who had a track record in American politics and say 1424 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:42.479 what you will, Joe Biden has been a long standing member of the political 1425 01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:45.680 class in the United States. He knew a lot of politicians, he knew 1426 01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:51.880 a lot of people that politicians know, and he appeared to be this safe, 1427 01:48:53.439 --> 01:48:59.439 sane choice, you know. Personally, I think that that he did 1428 01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:02.880 not so much win the election as Trump lost it. If Trump had had 1429 01:49:02.920 --> 01:49:09.319 managed to actually secure his lips with a clothes pin for the last three months 1430 01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:13.479 of the election, he'd still be president. But Joe Biden came in and 1431 01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:21.359 had almost an unimaginable string of bad luck. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was a 1432 01:49:21.439 --> 01:49:27.680 national disaster. It was explained away, we couldn't have foreseen this. Well, 1433 01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:30.880 no, of course, you couldn't have foreseen a terrorist bombing. Very 1434 01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:38.159 seldom is broadcast on the news beforehand. I think that his ideas about clean 1435 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:45.800 energy were not enunciated clearly enough to people. Everybody wants clean skies, and 1436 01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:47.600 everybody wants the sun to come out, and everybody wants the water to right 1437 01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:53.279 remain at the same level. But this was just taken for granted. You 1438 01:49:53.319 --> 01:49:56.960 know, if you don't agree with this, then you're stupid. And people, 1439 01:49:57.039 --> 01:50:00.359 and I will only say it about America, don't like to be told 1440 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:03.279 for stupid, even if they are, and so many of them are. 1441 01:50:04.119 --> 01:50:09.279 And so I think that Joe Biden had good intentions. I think that he 1442 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:18.600 was a a person of quality and of experience, But the things that he 1443 01:50:18.680 --> 01:50:25.760 faced almost as soon as he got into office were a hurdle for anyone to 1444 01:50:25.800 --> 01:50:29.479 get over, and he did not perform well when faced with those hurdles. 1445 01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:33.119 Yeah, just as a strange curiosity and This is, I suppose, an 1446 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:36.720 observation more than any sort of judgment. But I suppose in the sort of 1447 01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:41.600 free western world, Americans seems quite unique in terms of the fact that a 1448 01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:44.600 lot of its presidents in the last you know, several years, and a 1449 01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:48.800 lot of the presidential hopeful seemed to be quite advanced years age wise. And 1450 01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:54.159 that seems to kind of seems seems at odds with a kind of the American 1451 01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:58.920 attitude of, you know, young and up on coming success and you can 1452 01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:01.960 make it in any other area as a kind of very young motivated person, 1453 01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:06.960 whereas in politics and the top spot the White House seems to predominantly be taken 1454 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:10.960 by men of advanced years. I mean, what what does that? Does 1455 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:12.560 that mean? The first one is not ringing true to you? And is 1456 01:51:12.600 --> 01:51:15.840 there anything you can tell me that might explain that. I think it rings 1457 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:23.439 very true, Steve. Look that there's the there's the un imaginable idea that, 1458 01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:26.239 you know, we don't worry so much about getting reelected, we're just 1459 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:28.720 here to help the people and do a good job and make the world a 1460 01:51:28.720 --> 01:51:30.960 better place. Well, none of that's true. Every politician that gets into 1461 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:35.720 office immediately begins to think about his or her reelection, and once you start 1462 01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:41.239 thinking about your reelection as the most important part of your life, you're you're 1463 01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:45.079 loath to give it up, and so you slowly creep to the top of 1464 01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:49.680 your party, not completely unlike the UK, but uh. You know. 1465 01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:53.560 Then then somebody says, well, aren't you getting a little bit old? 1466 01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:56.479 Aren't you a little bit long in the tooth? And you react with with 1467 01:51:57.119 --> 01:52:00.199 indignation, and you say, that's a terrible thing to say about me. 1468 01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:03.359 I've given my life to this country. And what people are really saying is, 1469 01:52:03.439 --> 01:52:08.000 yeah, we know you have, and it's time to start. Yeah. 1470 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:11.079 Now, that's a really good answer. So I mean, what can 1471 01:52:11.119 --> 01:52:15.000 you tell me about Biden and his relationship with China now? Because China is 1472 01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:20.680 obviously, you know, a huge threat to you know, American security. 1473 01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:26.880 It's a huge economic powerhouse. And I suppose it's a case of having to 1474 01:52:28.319 --> 01:52:31.600 find this balance between finger wagon got China for things it may be culpable for 1475 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:36.520 or guilty of, and then maintaining this relationship so that the entire Western economic 1476 01:52:36.520 --> 01:52:39.920 system doesn't collapse. So, I mean, what, what's the relationship like 1477 01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:45.880 between America and China right now? I think it's a master pet relationship at 1478 01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:50.680 this moment. I think China has moved so far towards supremacy, and they've 1479 01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:55.720 done it openly by the way that they don't announce it in their newspapers, 1480 01:52:55.760 --> 01:52:59.800 but it's so clear if you follow the movements of shijiin Pings, that old 1481 01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:04.960 leader in China and his cohorts, that China wants to become the world's one 1482 01:53:05.159 --> 01:53:09.680 superpower. They've had enough of the United States. They think the United States 1483 01:53:09.720 --> 01:53:15.479 is in fatal decline, and they're all of their indications are that they want 1484 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:18.600 to be the most powerful country on the face of the earth, and they 1485 01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:24.760 have a good chance of doing it. So what is the relationship. I 1486 01:53:24.800 --> 01:53:29.800 think that when we saw Joe Biden meet Sheijinping in San Francisco in November of 1487 01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:32.000 last year, we got a pretty good idea of it. You know, 1488 01:53:32.039 --> 01:53:38.079 the the It's always important not to just look at the event itself, but 1489 01:53:38.199 --> 01:53:42.920 the advance work that went on before the event, and before Sheijenping agreed to 1490 01:53:42.920 --> 01:53:46.239 meet Biden in San Francisco, his advanced team said, here's what we want. 1491 01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:51.039 When President she lands at San Francisco Airport, we want him to be 1492 01:53:51.119 --> 01:53:58.079 met by a military armed guard of you know, to to welcome him to 1493 01:53:58.119 --> 01:54:02.279 the United States as he comes into the city on his motorcade. We want 1494 01:54:02.720 --> 01:54:10.560 crowds of adoring people waving only Chinese flags only no American flags, to be 1495 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:14.439 there to welcome him on the sides of the streets as his motorcade passed. 1496 01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:19.960 They said, okay, we'll do that. That evening, when he addressed 1497 01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:26.640 a lot of tech CEOs of American companies, before he even said a word, 1498 01:54:26.680 --> 01:54:30.359 as he was walking to the stage to begin his remarks, the CEOs 1499 01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:33.840 and everybody else in that room stood up and gave him a standing ovation. 1500 01:54:35.039 --> 01:54:40.920 Now, these are signals, and these are not signals that a pro like 1501 01:54:40.960 --> 01:54:46.199 Shijinping is going to misunderstand. That was that those signals were, you know, 1502 01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:49.920 we don't like everything you're doing. We wish you'd stop torturing and exterminating 1503 01:54:49.960 --> 01:54:56.039 wigers in the Shinjiang province, and we sort of wish you'd stop threatening Taiwan 1504 01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:59.800 because it's really causing us to stay up at night and think about it. 1505 01:55:00.399 --> 01:55:01.600 But in the meantime, as long as we can make money off you, 1506 01:55:01.680 --> 01:55:03.680 yeah, you're well, of course you can't. Yeah, do whatever you 1507 01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:11.479 want. Xi Jinping told Biden at that meeting, we would really really like 1508 01:55:11.560 --> 01:55:15.760 to take over Taiwan peacefully, and Biden said, yes, I see that. 1509 01:55:17.520 --> 01:55:19.159 No, no, no, no, no, you don't take over 1510 01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:23.600 Taiwan. It's a country, and you know, whether you say it or 1511 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:28.199 not, the United States is going to defend Taiwan if you start military action 1512 01:55:28.279 --> 01:55:33.560 against it. And so that tempid response and the sort of half headshake were 1513 01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:40.800 another signal that she took back to Beijing and is now in a position of 1514 01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:45.600 unquestioned authority in China and can pretty much do whatever he dares do. Yeah. 1515 01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:49.439 I mean that's fascinating in terms of how we kind of put aside all 1516 01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:53.680 the human rights violations you mentioned the week is there, of course, and 1517 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:57.439 I mean just the animal rights record is enough for me to kind of make 1518 01:55:57.479 --> 01:55:59.680 my head spin. We put all that aside it. I mean, in 1519 01:55:59.720 --> 01:56:02.319 the West, we kind of talk a good game about how committed we are 1520 01:56:02.359 --> 01:56:09.439 to humanitarianism, you know, resourceful nurse and you know, climate change and 1521 01:56:09.439 --> 01:56:12.119 things like that. Yet we kind of body up with China seems to be 1522 01:56:12.159 --> 01:56:15.319 the antithesis of all them things. And I suppose my question isn't around about 1523 01:56:15.319 --> 01:56:20.079 way if any other nation was responsible for unleashing a virus that caused a global 1524 01:56:20.439 --> 01:56:24.760 pandemic, you know, millions dead, you know, end of you know, 1525 01:56:25.399 --> 01:56:30.319 economies. People are still suffering today financially and through their health. Do 1526 01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:33.640 you think they would have just got away with it as easy as China appears 1527 01:56:33.640 --> 01:56:38.199 to have. It seems to me that there have been zero ramifications for that 1528 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:43.119 whatsoever. Well, you've raised the topic, so I'll try to answer it. 1529 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:45.640 That was the theme of the first of the three books that I wrote 1530 01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:49.680 about China and the Western world. You know, who created this virus? 1531 01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:55.319 And what are we supposed to call it? And once again, you know, 1532 01:56:55.399 --> 01:57:00.439 the world amusing the world in parentheses, the world's step and said, 1533 01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:03.159 well, let's just call at COVID because nobody knows what that means. And 1534 01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:06.159 everybody said, okay, yeah, that's not good. United Nations said that, 1535 01:57:06.279 --> 01:57:11.119 okay. Center for Disease Control of the United States said okay, and 1536 01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:14.840 all the news media in the United States said, sure, whatever you say, 1537 01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:16.199 Yeah, we don't want to upset China. That might be racist. 1538 01:57:17.520 --> 01:57:20.840 It was. It was just a it was a power play, and they 1539 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:24.640 got away with it. And so once again a signal was sent to Shi 1540 01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:27.640 Jin thing, go for it, do whatever you want. Nobody's going to 1541 01:57:27.680 --> 01:57:30.479 start you. Yeah, no, I remember that at the time. Obviously, 1542 01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:31.640 any kind of criticism were put, you know, you're put in the 1543 01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:36.600 racist basket just for kind of pointing out the origin of something which is very 1544 01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:43.000 strange. But in terms of like China is this huge superpower, obviously people 1545 01:57:43.560 --> 01:57:46.600 tend to fear their military might. They was to report recently in Bloomberg. 1546 01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:50.840 However, that kind of made the case that there's so much corruption within China 1547 01:57:50.880 --> 01:57:56.960 that it might it may pose a problem for them militarritory if there ever were 1548 01:57:57.399 --> 01:58:00.319 to be need for you know, military action from China. Is that is 1549 01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:01.479 that something you've been keeping an eye on? But what your opinions on that? 1550 01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:05.760 Yeah, that Bloomberg article was very important because it was based on reporting. 1551 01:58:06.359 --> 01:58:10.760 It wasn't just based on what they wish was true, and it wasn't 1552 01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:15.760 these unnamed sources, et cetera. What they found were documents that showed that 1553 01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:23.199 the Chinese military suppliers, most of whom are incorporated into the People's Liberation Army, 1554 01:58:23.640 --> 01:58:30.399 were doing things like sending shells military explosive shells to People's Liberation Army to 1555 01:58:30.479 --> 01:58:35.279 be launched from the ground from silos, and their warheads were filled with water, 1556 01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:40.199 not with explosives because it was cheaper and they got away with it. 1557 01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:48.119 There were stories about about soldiers being sent rags instead of uniforms by these suppliers, 1558 01:58:48.439 --> 01:58:51.960 and the soldiers would complain about it, and they're commanding officers who were 1559 01:58:51.960 --> 01:58:57.319 getting a kickback from this deal told them to shut up and obey orders. 1560 01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:00.520 So yes, there are I think there are now and this reached shijin Ping, 1561 01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:05.960 of course, and he is now undertaking a purge of some of the 1562 01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:11.479 senior military leaders. The problem is that he appointed most of them himself, 1563 01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:15.520 so you know, keep your friends closer and your enemies for closer. Whatever 1564 01:59:15.560 --> 01:59:18.279 that's staying is. And now he has to undo that and go to all 1565 01:59:18.319 --> 01:59:23.319 these people that he appointed who are his cronies, and say, you know, 1566 01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:26.079 hey, I appointed you to do a good job and to keep the 1567 01:59:26.079 --> 01:59:30.279 corruption to a minimum, and now you're embarrassing me. Yeah, that's what 1568 01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:33.039 happens when you appoint bad people. So yeah, that's where that is. 1569 01:59:33.159 --> 01:59:38.000 There are questions about whether China is ready to fight in all out war, 1570 01:59:38.359 --> 01:59:43.720 and by all out I mean to invade and conquer Taiwan. I don't think 1571 01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:48.600 China wants or or would would ever allow itself to become involved in a war 1572 01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:54.520 directly against the United States. It would always be with Taiwan as the excuse 1573 01:59:54.600 --> 01:59:59.000 an American aid coming into play. Yeah. So, I mean, I 1574 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:01.760 suppose when we look sort of tyrants in the in the Middle East and people 1575 02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:06.880 who have a terrible human rights record, and we have to play nice with 1576 02:00:06.920 --> 02:00:12.840 them because perhaps we're relying on oil for fuel and things like that, and 1577 02:00:12.920 --> 02:00:15.479 it seems like perhaps one day, if this isn't just complete utopian thinking, 1578 02:00:15.479 --> 02:00:19.279 there may be a source of green energy perhaps where we can cut ties with 1579 02:00:19.319 --> 02:00:23.800 people like Saudi Arabia and not have to play nice with them because we are 1580 02:00:23.840 --> 02:00:27.800 we can become self sufficient with some sort of green fuel. In terms of 1581 02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:30.520 China, what are we most relying on there? It seems far more complicated 1582 02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:38.520 and far more embedded into our economic systems than say just an energy source perhaps, 1583 02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:41.159 I mean, what are some of their main exports that we rely on, 1584 02:00:42.279 --> 02:00:45.000 well, I mean almost everything. Trying to go a day Stephen without 1585 02:00:45.000 --> 02:00:48.800 buying a product that was made in China, you can't do it. Unless 1586 02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:54.920 you bury yourself in a hole. It is. China has identified a weakness 1587 02:00:55.000 --> 02:00:59.720 of capitalism, which is everybody wants something that's cheap, and they will buy 1588 02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:04.239 whatever is cheap and not very good. And that includes most Chinese products because 1589 02:01:04.319 --> 02:01:10.479 you know, they save twenty five pence on it. It's just a failing 1590 02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:15.000 of people that live in a free, western capitalistic society that they've come to 1591 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:16.640 the point of saying, you know, I don't care where it comes from. 1592 02:01:16.720 --> 02:01:20.000 I don't care. I just want it cheap. Well, if you 1593 02:01:20.039 --> 02:01:25.560 don't care where it comes from, then don't be surprised if one day Shijinping 1594 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:29.319 says I'm in control of you. Now do what I tell you. What 1595 02:01:29.439 --> 02:01:32.840 kind of products? Among others, cars. China is now making cars and 1596 02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:39.760 exporting them at an enormous rate. They exported four point four million cars in 1597 02:01:39.800 --> 02:01:45.720 twenty twenty three, and they're on schedule to export five million cars this year. 1598 02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:48.600 That will make them the largest exporter of cars in the world, way 1599 02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:55.520 surpassing Japanese cars. So and then I guess the point that I'd like to 1600 02:01:56.439 --> 02:02:02.159 segue into, if possible, is that the Chinese development of artificial intelligence is 1601 02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:08.239 moving much much faster than anything that's happening in the United States or Australia or 1602 02:02:08.319 --> 02:02:12.680 Europe. And China is not restricted by these concerns. Oh, we have 1603 02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:15.359 to have guardrails on what AI can do because we wouldn't want them to take 1604 02:02:15.399 --> 02:02:18.880 over. China doesn't care. In fact, they would like AI to take 1605 02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:24.880 over on every issue that affects the Western world. And that's the topic of 1606 02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:29.199 my last of my most recent book. How much of a danger does AI 1607 02:02:29.359 --> 02:02:32.640 represent with them? Because I try and read about as much as I can 1608 02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:35.520 at I have a basic understanding of what it can be used for and what 1609 02:02:35.560 --> 02:02:39.760 the implications, of course can be. I mean, we just had some 1610 02:02:40.119 --> 02:02:44.600 huge news come out the other day from Microsoft that perhaps they've used AI to 1611 02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:50.000 kind of tell us what would be the correct amount of ingredients to produce some 1612 02:02:50.199 --> 02:02:55.560 extremely durable and longer lasting lithium battery. Perhaps it's, you know, the 1613 02:02:55.600 --> 02:02:59.439 computation power it would have taken or the manpower rather to get there was much 1614 02:02:59.479 --> 02:03:01.119 longer than AI managed to do it in. So that's that's kind of a 1615 02:03:01.159 --> 02:03:04.840 work in progress. Everyone who's an expert in AI seems to be terrified of 1616 02:03:04.920 --> 02:03:06.880 the thing. How much of a role do you think AI is going to 1617 02:03:06.920 --> 02:03:11.600 play in terms of, you know, global conflicts. Well, let me 1618 02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:15.239 answer that with two points. One, the experts that you mentioned are largely 1619 02:03:15.359 --> 02:03:19.479 fakers. They say that, they say there's an expert. There's no test 1620 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:21.600 for that. There's no way of proving it. You don't get a diploma 1621 02:03:21.600 --> 02:03:26.560 that says expert on it. So most of them are doing what they think 1622 02:03:26.680 --> 02:03:30.640 is good for them or for the company that they work for, and whether 1623 02:03:30.680 --> 02:03:35.680 it's good for mankind is way down on their list of importance. Now as 1624 02:03:35.680 --> 02:03:39.319 to what AI can do, we have to face it. I mean, 1625 02:03:40.399 --> 02:03:44.640 some of the great thinkers of all time, Socrates, Cicero, Albert Einstein, 1626 02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:48.319 Oppenheimer of the most recent movie Thing, You know, we're geniuses, 1627 02:03:48.920 --> 02:03:56.600 but they couldn't even begin to compete against an AI program. It's they're too 1628 02:03:56.680 --> 02:03:59.920 fast, they're too perfect, they don't make mistakes, they don't need lunch, 1629 02:04:00.079 --> 02:04:02.319 they don't get vacation, they don't do what their boss says, they 1630 02:04:02.479 --> 02:04:06.159 just do it, and we can never compete with that. It's like those 1631 02:04:06.159 --> 02:04:13.920 famous chess matches where Bobby Fisher played against a robot or a computer rather played 1632 02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:18.720 chess against them, and he was destroyed because you can't because thinking is involved 1633 02:04:18.760 --> 02:04:24.399 in chess. Until it's not. They just the AI machine just goes yep, 1634 02:04:24.439 --> 02:04:28.239 got it, got next, Okay, got And at the same time, 1635 02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:30.800 somebody, you know, a human is saying, excuse me, I 1636 02:04:30.800 --> 02:04:32.279 just need to cough for a second. Well, while you had that little 1637 02:04:32.319 --> 02:04:38.159 cough, a decision got made that you can't do anything about. So AI 1638 02:04:38.399 --> 02:04:44.039 is is a it's it's It's a little bit like saying, is it good 1639 02:04:44.039 --> 02:04:48.439 for us to go into outer space? I can't answer that question. We're 1640 02:04:48.439 --> 02:04:53.319 there, we're doing things. We landed on the Moon, which is an 1641 02:04:53.359 --> 02:04:59.239 amazing accomplishment. But at the same time, we've now polluted outer space with 1642 02:05:00.119 --> 02:05:02.960 satellites and garbage. It's out there. So was it a good idea to 1643 02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:06.359 go there or not? And what's the effect on the climate in the United 1644 02:05:06.560 --> 02:05:11.640 in America or in the rest of the world. We don't know these things. 1645 02:05:11.800 --> 02:05:15.520 And at the same time, governments, well intentioned governments, are saying 1646 02:05:15.600 --> 02:05:19.039 this is the race for the future. Future of what they don't know. 1647 02:05:19.279 --> 02:05:26.119 They're not experts. What what's your prognosis then? Humanity wise, I mean, 1648 02:05:26.159 --> 02:05:29.840 we haven't been here for particularly long in the in the eight. You 1649 02:05:29.880 --> 02:05:32.079 know, how however long the earth's been here, I mean, it seems 1650 02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:36.119 like we obviously we know we won't always be here. What do you see 1651 02:05:36.119 --> 02:05:43.399 in the future of Are you hopeful that if we can survive natural disasters and 1652 02:05:43.520 --> 02:05:47.000 you know, pandemics, that perhaps we can avoid killing each other to extermination. 1653 02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:53.760 Well, I don't want to I don't want to use cliches, and 1654 02:05:53.840 --> 02:05:59.000 I don't want to be be misinterpreted as an idealist. I believe in God. 1655 02:05:59.560 --> 02:06:01.920 I believe is a God, and I hope that God protects us from 1656 02:06:01.920 --> 02:06:06.720 ourselves. You know, we've been told so many times that this is the 1657 02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:10.760 end of humanity. Climate change is the end of humanity. Donald Trump is 1658 02:06:10.760 --> 02:06:13.760 the end of humanity. Nuclear weapons are the end of humanity. Well, 1659 02:06:14.439 --> 02:06:17.239 we've gotten through them so far, but that doesn't mean that our luck will 1660 02:06:17.279 --> 02:06:25.199 continue. And AI is is definitely a potential threat to humanity because it is 1661 02:06:25.359 --> 02:06:30.720 so superior to the human mind. I mean, even great writers, not 1662 02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:33.680 including myself, but you know, great writers are a little bit worried that 1663 02:06:33.760 --> 02:06:40.319 AI can write better than they can. And again, the reader, if 1664 02:06:40.399 --> 02:06:44.399 he or she can get a book that costs twenty five percent of what a 1665 02:06:44.520 --> 02:06:47.319 new author's book costs. I don't care where it came from. I'm just 1666 02:06:47.359 --> 02:06:51.600 going to read it. Well, that's very shortsighted, and pretty soon you're 1667 02:06:51.600 --> 02:06:56.119 going to be reading books by AQ two three, five five six sous. 1668 02:06:56.800 --> 02:07:01.319 It's in and it's not a good idea. Well, that brings me nicely 1669 02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:05.039 on to a question from Carol Q one two one in the chat. And 1670 02:07:05.119 --> 02:07:09.640 surprisingly, a lot of people are fascinating for your time at Fox News. 1671 02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:14.680 They've asked in what aspect would you say the biggest change has been from when 1672 02:07:14.760 --> 02:07:24.720 you first joined Fox to when you left? Oh wow. The founding chairman 1673 02:07:24.800 --> 02:07:31.079 of Fox News was Roger Ayles. A very many dimensional has called him mayn. 1674 02:07:31.600 --> 02:07:35.239 He certainly had some personal failings which we all have heard about and seen 1675 02:07:35.279 --> 02:07:42.399 movies about, et cetera. But he was a leader and he knew how 1676 02:07:42.439 --> 02:07:46.920 to lead, and he knew how to create a workforce that was all in 1677 02:07:47.079 --> 02:07:51.920 sync with his ideas. And that's what made Fox News so powerful in the 1678 02:07:51.960 --> 02:07:59.239 early days. The change you've mentioned changes, I have to I have to 1679 02:07:59.279 --> 02:08:05.239 say that I think that when Donald Trump announced his candidacy for the presidency and 1680 02:08:05.399 --> 02:08:09.399 cozied up as much as he tried to do to Rupert Murdoch that it had 1681 02:08:11.359 --> 02:08:18.439 perhaps an unintended effect on the coverage of politics in Fox News, and when 1682 02:08:18.520 --> 02:08:24.199 Trump inevitably said, hey, look, you know we're friends and we're calling 1683 02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:26.279 it, but but you do what I say, I'm the most important one 1684 02:08:26.319 --> 02:08:31.439 here, not Fox, and started saying that Rupert Murdoch and others just Donald, 1685 02:08:31.439 --> 02:08:33.760 No, no, no, no, that's not how it works. 1686 02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:37.720 It's it's friendship. Actually, it's not master pet relationships. And so that's 1687 02:08:37.720 --> 02:08:43.119 what caused them to do this purouette and start to become very critical of Donald 1688 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:48.000 Trump. And I think many people have noticed that they first tried to back 1689 02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:54.960 Desantus for denomination, and I think now they're they're sort of pushing Nicki Haley, 1690 02:08:54.119 --> 02:08:58.760 none of which is good for news coverage. You're supposed to be objective 1691 02:08:58.800 --> 02:09:03.880 about it, but certainly they've they've taken a big turn. And now I 1692 02:09:03.880 --> 02:09:07.239 think tonight, in fact, in America, Donald Trump's going to be doing 1693 02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:13.880 a town hall meeting on Fox while DeSantis and Haley pretend to have a debate 1694 02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:20.319 on another network. So we had a huge effect on how Fox does things. 1695 02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:24.960 And I just can't discount the importance of leadership. So great answer. 1696 02:09:26.720 --> 02:09:30.840 A nex Sas has asked a good question. Does mister Moody see how the 1697 02:09:30.960 --> 02:09:37.239 Chinese Communist Party already has done a soft conquering of the West. Yes, 1698 02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:41.319 I certainly do. And great question. You call it soft, but you 1699 02:09:41.319 --> 02:09:45.920 know, soft eventually hardens into bricks, and that's what we're looking at down 1700 02:09:45.920 --> 02:09:50.399 the road China. Here's the thing to remember about China. They have become 1701 02:09:50.479 --> 02:09:54.560 part of the world economy, as you mentioned earlier, Stephen. But and 1702 02:09:54.600 --> 02:09:58.119 so therefore we assume that they're going to play by the same rules as everybody 1703 02:09:58.119 --> 02:10:03.039 else. They don't. They cheat. They lie. That's two hallmarks of 1704 02:10:03.159 --> 02:10:05.720 Chinese policy towards the rest of the world. They cheat and then they lie. 1705 02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:09.800 You know, wait a minute, you said you were going to allow 1706 02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:13.319 our products in, but now you're only allowing our products in if we make 1707 02:10:13.359 --> 02:10:16.720 them in China and share the profits with you. You didn't say that before, 1708 02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:18.600 Yes we did. Oh yeah, you missed it. No, no, 1709 02:10:18.640 --> 02:10:20.880 it's there. Yeah, we said that they cheat and they lie. 1710 02:10:22.039 --> 02:10:24.239 I mean, that's that's what you can always count on when you're dealing with 1711 02:10:24.279 --> 02:10:28.720 somebody from the Chinese Communist Party. Yeah, I mean, what are the 1712 02:10:28.800 --> 02:10:31.760 solutions here then, Because, as if you've already eloquently pointed out, we're 1713 02:10:31.760 --> 02:10:37.279 so reliant on them for so many things, it seems to me that perhaps 1714 02:10:37.359 --> 02:10:39.800 the horse has already bolted it in that regard. Are we just in the 1715 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:43.319 pocket of China forever more? Now? Are there are there legitimate ways in 1716 02:10:43.319 --> 02:10:48.880 which we could kind of reverse the process? We can all take a deep 1717 02:10:48.960 --> 02:10:52.600 breath and look at where these products are made and not buy something that's made 1718 02:10:52.680 --> 02:10:56.319 in China. Now, I know we're Oh, I can't do that. 1719 02:10:56.359 --> 02:11:01.159 It's too far gone. Look, everybody says I can't do it. It's 1720 02:11:01.159 --> 02:11:03.880 too big for me to handle. No, it's not. Just stop buying 1721 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:09.079 that stuff. You'll be happier, you'll be more patriotic, and you might 1722 02:11:09.079 --> 02:11:11.399 be making a change in the world when you don't even know what's going on. 1723 02:11:13.279 --> 02:11:16.079 That's a great answer as well. And obviously it takes takes kind of 1724 02:11:16.079 --> 02:11:20.520 grassroots action, doesn't it to make any sort of change. Just a bit 1725 02:11:20.560 --> 02:11:22.439 of a left field one. I just want to get your perception on something 1726 02:11:22.439 --> 02:11:26.600 that was big news, making headlines not so long ago, but seems to 1727 02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:30.600 have kind of died and gone away. It was these you know, quote 1728 02:11:30.640 --> 02:11:35.319 unquote Chinese spy balloons that were in the sky in America, And there was 1729 02:11:35.359 --> 02:11:39.199 a lot of security, you know, panic and concern, a lot of 1730 02:11:39.199 --> 02:11:43.279 debate about them afterwards. What what's your perception of what was going on there? 1731 02:11:43.359 --> 02:11:46.000 Was it? Is it far more similar than people realize? Or is 1732 02:11:46.039 --> 02:11:56.159 it kind of overblown? Americans have the memory span of a hummingbird. For 1733 02:11:56.319 --> 02:11:58.439 you know, for for five days, the news media led us around and 1734 02:11:58.520 --> 02:12:03.079 showed us pictures of these balloons and said, oh, my goodness, who 1735 02:12:03.079 --> 02:12:05.199 could ever have believed that they would use balloons against us? Well, you 1736 02:12:05.199 --> 02:12:11.720 know, it's not the Wizard of Oz. These are military balloons. And 1737 02:12:11.159 --> 02:12:16.840 then they shot it down, which was well overdue. I think I'll say 1738 02:12:16.840 --> 02:12:20.640 this about President Biden. I think that his decision to shoot down the balloon 1739 02:12:20.960 --> 02:12:24.520 over the ocean was the right one. It could have caused death and damage, 1740 02:12:24.600 --> 02:12:28.760 and and he in that respect, his judgment was what showed through. 1741 02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:31.479 But he did shoot it down. China was outraged. How can you do 1742 02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:35.079 that to an innocent weather balloon? You know, weather balloons have feelings too, 1743 02:12:35.199 --> 02:12:39.840 they're humans. No, No, they're not. No, And and 1744 02:12:39.920 --> 02:12:43.159 so our attention span is so limited these days. You know, we can't 1745 02:12:43.279 --> 02:12:48.439 bother to continue to be interested in China and whether it's a threat to us 1746 02:12:48.600 --> 02:12:52.000 because we have to see who won the Golden Bachelor show. You know, 1747 02:12:52.039 --> 02:12:58.319 these things are so misplaced in their in their level of importance that we are 1748 02:12:58.359 --> 02:13:03.119 are we are doing to ourselves what we fear China might be able to do. 1749 02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:07.960 You know, I believe it was Lenin who said we will sell the 1750 02:13:07.000 --> 02:13:13.079 capitalists the rope with which they will hang themselves. They're doing it and we 1751 02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:16.079 don't even know that. And by the way, Lenin was not just a 1752 02:13:16.119 --> 02:13:20.800 beadle, he was somebody else. It's a big Lebowski joke in somewhere. 1753 02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:26.359 But John, I've really enjoyed this conversation and I'm very grateful for you to 1754 02:13:26.359 --> 02:13:30.880 bring your experience and expertise to this show and share your knowledge on China. 1755 02:13:31.399 --> 02:13:33.720 Is there anything else you'd like to point people towards before I'll let you get 1756 02:13:33.720 --> 02:13:37.600 back to your day. And where can people find more of your writing and 1757 02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:41.800 work? Well? Yeah, the books are all available on the usual sources 1758 02:13:41.800 --> 02:13:45.800 of Amazon, Barnes, and Noble, Apple Books, et cetera. I 1759 02:13:45.800 --> 02:13:48.199 would just say that if you are thinking about buying any of my books or 1760 02:13:48.239 --> 02:13:52.399 any other books. If you have an independent news an independent bookstore in your 1761 02:13:52.439 --> 02:13:56.760 neighborhood, ask them to stop it. Buy it there. We have to 1762 02:13:56.800 --> 02:14:00.920 keep these guys in business. We're dying otherwise, and we don't want Amazon 1763 02:14:00.920 --> 02:14:03.159 to be the only source of books in the world because the next thing, 1764 02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:07.159 you know, they'll be deciding what books are good. That's a great point, 1765 02:14:07.239 --> 02:14:09.000 John, thank you very much for joining us. I've really enjoyed speaking 1766 02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:11.880 to you, so did I. Stephen. Thank you. Have a good 1767 02:14:11.960 --> 02:14:18.520 day. Very knowledgeable guest there. It's that point in the show where I 1768 02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:24.520 am legally contracted to remind you to head over to Locals subscribe there. It's 1769 02:14:24.560 --> 02:14:28.359 completely free, and that's the way you'll be able to catch the second half 1770 02:14:28.359 --> 02:14:31.479 of the show and all the other great guests we've got coming up. So 1771 02:14:31.239 --> 02:14:37.600 don't make me come around there. Go over to Locals now, subscribe and 1772 02:14:37.640 --> 02:14:39.119 watch the second half if you know what's good for you. It's not a 1773 02:14:39.119 --> 02:14:43.479 threat. You can't You can't get me on that. We were bringing in 1774 02:14:43.520 --> 02:14:50.800 our next guest shortly. We'll be speaking to Dr Michael Caparelli about his book 1775 02:14:52.319 --> 02:15:00.000 and his work on I believe the son of Sam serial killer. And here 1776 02:14:58.800 --> 02:15:03.640 you Michael COPPEARI how are you, sir, Hi Steve, and everything is 1777 02:15:03.680 --> 02:15:05.279 great, glad to be on your show. Thank you for this opportunity. 1778 02:15:05.720 --> 02:15:09.560 AH our pleasure entirely. Thank you for joining us. Maybe you could let 1779 02:15:09.640 --> 02:15:13.960 our audience know what it is you do, what keeps you busy. I'm 1780 02:15:13.960 --> 02:15:20.000 a PhD in behavioral science. I teach as a professor at three colleges in 1781 02:15:20.119 --> 02:15:28.479 psychology, criminal psychology, abnormal psych I'm also or was for many years a 1782 02:15:28.680 --> 02:15:33.239 pastor in the prisons, working with inmates. So I come from a dual 1783 02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:39.600 perspective of both the psychological background as well as, if you want to call 1784 02:15:39.640 --> 02:15:43.840 it a religious or spiritual perspective. I met with David Berkowitz, also known 1785 02:15:43.880 --> 02:15:50.920 as the son of Sam, convicted serial Kelly's been incarcerated for forty six years. 1786 02:15:50.960 --> 02:15:54.439 I met him in New York in prison for thirty four sessions one on 1787 02:15:54.439 --> 02:16:01.159 one. The longest analysis of David Berkowitz ever and we discussed the mental health 1788 02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:09.720 factors that were behind his killings is twenty I'm sorry. His thirteen shootings in 1789 02:16:09.720 --> 02:16:13.479 New York City back in the seventies as well as the fourteen hundred fires that 1790 02:16:13.520 --> 02:16:18.359 he lit while he was at luc In Society, and we also talked about 1791 02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:22.119 his last forty six years in prison, what that's been like, and the 1792 02:16:22.199 --> 02:16:28.439 findings have been included in a book called Monster Mirror. It was ranked number one