1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,319 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:07,040 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the wranglescham Pars incident. It 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,119 doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,280 our heads. It's so classic Glie Sorcier, really stunning into Cleary. He 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,920 turned over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:27,879 eyes and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:34,159 show. We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on podcastufo dot 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,320 com. During the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room, 9 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:43,439 and don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. Hello, 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,359 and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your hosts, and 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,840 we're live from a mountaintop in Maine. We have an interesting guest for you 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,079 this evening, Jeff Willis. He's not a relative. His last name has 13 00:00:56,119 --> 00:01:00,880 an Ees and we're going to be talking about UFOs over Phoenix. Before our 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,000 guest, however, we have Alejandro Rojas coming up with the news in just 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,319 a minute. And I want to thank all the listeners who support the show. 16 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:11,280 If you can't support the show. We still appreciate you. And if 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,319 you want to listen to the entire show for free, all you have to 18 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:21,079 do is come to podcastufo dot com every Wednesday evening at eight to ten pm 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,319 Eastern Standard time, or and that's the same as New York City, or 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:32,200 you can go to PSN Radio at the same time. And we're also as 21 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:38,920 a podcast over at the Dark Matter Digital Network every Thursday at ten to midnight 22 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,359 Eastern Standard time. How you doing, ALAJARANDU? I am doing well. 23 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,280 How are you good? I've heard you've had some scorching heat out that way. 24 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,400 Yeah, you notice I haven't been mentioning the weather because I can't brag 25 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,719 about the weather anymore. Most of the year, I can brag and be 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,159 like, oh, hey, what's weather. There's no uh bummer, it's 27 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:07,079 perfect out here. Yeah. But no, it was perfect weather up until 28 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:13,039 a few days ago. And I think that Mother Nature or whoever is in 29 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:20,360 charge of the heat meter out there in the universe, like just switched it 30 00:02:20,439 --> 00:02:23,800 on hardcore a couple of days ago, and we went from you know, 31 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:28,840 low nineties, which maybe hot in some areas, but it's not bad here. 32 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:34,840 It's like perfect up to one ten boom and we're now in the summer. 33 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:39,240 We're in the hotness, and it's it's like the difference is is there's 34 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:45,360 like no reprieve. You can't go anywhere but inside to the ac because you 35 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:51,479 walk into the shade and you know, it's just less hot, but it's 36 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,479 still one hundred and plus so it's still very hot. You're just out of 37 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:58,800 the sun, so you're going to survive for a few more minutes. But 38 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,960 and then a breeze is no reprieve at all. When that's what a shocking 39 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,400 thing when I moved out here and experienced it. When there's a breeze, 40 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,759 you're thinking, oh, this is going to be nice a breeze, and 41 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,280 most places a breeze cools you down. No, a breeze is just like 42 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:19,520 a hair dryer. Yeah, how to your furnace being blown on your face 43 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,520 out here? Yeah, so it is. Yep, we're into the summer 44 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:29,960 heat now, so we're living that that life and inside looking out our windows 45 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,120 that they're still looks pretty. But yeah, you don't want to be out 46 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,319 there for too long. Yeah, you know, it's it's it makes you 47 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,240 wonder what they did, you know, fifty years ago in that area, 48 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,599 you know, when there was nowhere conditioning. Yeah. Well, you know, 49 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:50,439 I've been down to Tucson and the area what is at the OK Corral, 50 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,199 right, yea. And they wore a lot of clothes back then, 51 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:58,919 the big jackets, the wool and I've been out there for like the anniversary 52 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,599 of the shootout and everything and where they do the reenactment. And I don't 53 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:06,360 know how those actors wear it. Yeah, so you've been out there, 54 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:11,400 let alone those people back then with no AC. I don't know how they 55 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:15,399 did it and that he'd I mean, it's amazing to me. Or you 56 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:19,279 know, there are lots of Native American tribes in this area. Oh yeah, 57 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:23,000 how they did it? You know? I think that they did stay 58 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,240 inside most and moved around mostly at night. But dad little earth huts out 59 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,680 here that they would build and your I think of that often. How the 60 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:40,160 heck did people survive before AC? Yeah, it must have been just getting 61 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,759 used to you know. I mean, they're just a way of life, 62 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:46,959 more or less like the Native Americans stuff like that. Well, I think 63 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,839 we're here to talk about UFOs. Oh okay, yeah, ok, yeah, 64 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:56,399 I can talk about that too. Okay, and is there anything going 65 00:04:56,439 --> 00:05:00,480 on? No, yeah, there, Actually we do have some interesting stories. 66 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,959 So a couple of things here. First of all, you know one 67 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:10,079 of the videos, and it's a pretty video. I guess that's one of 68 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,879 the reasons I like talking about it. But there's a little bit of controversy. 69 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,879 Not everybody agrees about this video. But this isn't an Ohio video that 70 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:26,040 was taken recently. And you know, if you read the description, these 71 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:33,040 people sound very intelligent and their report is very well written, whereas many times 72 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:38,360 they're not. But this was May twenty seventh in the town of Rudolph, 73 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:43,839 and this couple at about nine thirty pm saw an object in the sky. 74 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:47,240 The wife said that her husband looked over his shoulder and said, what the 75 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,839 hell is that? And they said they saw directly over them what appeared to 76 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:58,439 be something very large, but they described it like this. They described it 77 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,360 as a bright, pulsating white light that changed to a faint, glowing red 78 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:08,639 light and then back to white, and that this light was inside of a 79 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:17,160 translucent square. So uh. The move On investigator, who was Donovan Lee, 80 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:24,319 did some investigation and closed it as an unknown although he described this as 81 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:29,519 the color being white but glowing to a reddish hue, and he said it 82 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,560 was it was like it was a burning flame. Well, a burning flame 83 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:39,959 inside of a translucent square to me sounds exactly like. Yeah, it sounds 84 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000 like a Chinese lantern, but he felt that it wasn't. He felt it 85 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,920 was being it was moving too slow to be a kite or a balloon, 86 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,360 and that too fast to be a plane. He said, it was not 87 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:56,720 moving in the direction of the wind, but wind can change at different elevation. 88 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,439 So, uh, this person, the investigator and others feel pretty confidently 89 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:05,399 that it's not a Chinese lantern. And I think you said you watched the 90 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,680 video too, and you felt that it was too hard to tell. But 91 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,839 the description very much sounds like one. But it's a great I think it's 92 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:17,879 a neat video. I mean it's it's well done and the aesthetics of the 93 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,399 video are nice. Yeah. Now, did anyone come up with the theory 94 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:28,920 that it could be a red nosed reindeer? No, Rudolph, it's not 95 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:35,120 the season for that. But the town is Rudolph. Well, so sorry 96 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,439 I had to go there. I don't know much about the town of Rudolph, 97 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:43,959 Ohio. But I don't believe that the name has any you know, 98 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:49,319 history related to the red nosed Reindeer. In fact, I know people get 99 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,439 upset that we can be so skeptical on the show, but I am one 100 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:00,680 of those people who is very skeptical that Rudolph's Red Nose Reindeer exit said at 101 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,480 all. Well, there's no hard evidence. No, I think that's total 102 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:09,480 mythology. I just don't think that he is real. Yeah, well, 103 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,439 you know, I'm gonna get a lot of hate mail about this. Yeah 104 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,639 you are. I don't believe in Santa Claus. Never we did either. 105 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,839 How about that? Wow Ooo, there's dropped a bomb. Yeah. So 106 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,759 there's another video though that or photos that are a little more interesting. These 107 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:35,840 are from Grass Grass Valley, California, around the same time, also late 108 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:43,120 May, and this was also later in the day although you can tell it 109 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,919 there is daylight out. The person said it was seven thirty pm. This 110 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,559 was May twenty eighth, so just a couple of days after the other video. 111 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,279 And they said they saw this object in the sky, so they took 112 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,320 some pictures of it. Actually, this person, also, you know, 113 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,399 is very well written. They seem very intelligent. This person told their roommate, 114 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,279 Hey, look at that thing in the sky. And it was a 115 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,120 roommate who went and grabbed a camera and took some pictures. And they took 116 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:18,399 these pictures and they blew them up, and they just couldn't tell what they 117 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,240 were, you know. They they talked about how in three of the pictures 118 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:28,080 they got fuzzy objects, and I feel that those are probably due to the 119 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,759 camera being very out of focus. However, two of the pictures are very 120 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:37,120 in focus, but the object in each of the images is completely different. 121 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,799 One of them, yeah, is an oblong, kind of a taller kind 122 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,440 of thing, almost like a lipstick bottle flying in the air or something like 123 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,559 that. And then the other one, I don't even know how to describe 124 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,080 this, some kind of lampshade. So they fell a description. Yeah, 125 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,879 I just came up with that one. And finally I came up with a 126 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:01,600 description kind of a lampshade like the ones with the little balls hanging from the 127 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:07,720 bottom light a little poofy kind of fabric like pomp palm little things, and 128 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:15,159 so, but yeah, they feel that this object changed shapes while it was 129 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,879 flying along in the sky. There so some interesting photos. Yeah, you 130 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:26,879 know, that's that is really really strange, but also not like something we 131 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:30,639 haven't heard before, you know, right, not unprecedented. Yep. I'm 132 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,399 saying that they totally shift. I don't want to say shape shift, but 133 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,720 they do change like a formation and feed in and out and all that stuff, 134 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:45,840 you know. Yeah, So they said that the light, the intensity 135 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:48,679 of the light, you know, increased, and they felt it was reflecting 136 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,360 light, so the reflectivity increased and decreased. So I guess that would be 137 00:10:54,399 --> 00:11:01,360 the possibility of balloons tumbling in the sky and then back, you know. 138 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,919 I think an amazing video, a great video which we know was balloons actually 139 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:13,639 was one posted by one of Jimei Mussan's guys. So this is what happened. 140 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:15,720 This is how it happened with me. I might have told you this 141 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:18,000 story, I don't know, has to do with Ruben eerie Arte, who's 142 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,519 a move on investigator in California who also does work in Mexico. But they 143 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:31,080 went out with himI and their crew and they in Mexico City and they were 144 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,080 way far away, and they launched a set of balloons and they were going 145 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:41,440 to videotape them from this rooftop. Well, one of the guys sees the 146 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,200 balloons, he's like, oh my gosh. He starts filming it, and 147 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,600 then they told him those aren't that's not a UFO. Those are balloons. 148 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,120 We launched those so we can film them to see what they look like, 149 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,399 so we can match them up against some of the other videos. This is 150 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:01,480 where a TV show do you have like the pet squirrel or something. No, 151 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:07,000 I'm hearing like little feet. Oh sorry, I it might be the 152 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:13,039 table here. It could yeah, okay. So this guy posted the video 153 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,559 as a shape changing UFO, even though they had told him it was a 154 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,440 balloon, and so it went viral, of course. And the video, 155 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:28,120 I mean, really looks like a solid object changing shape. It's pretty weird. 156 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,240 It's really the video is great. It was really weird. So I 157 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,799 saw the video and because it was in Mexico, I immediately got a hold 158 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,120 of Reuben and I said, hey, have you seen this yet? And 159 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,159 he laughed. He called me and he said, oh my gosh. He's 160 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,919 like, I can't believe that they posted this. He's like, these are 161 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,480 the balloons we launched when we were in Mexico City. And he knows that, 162 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,519 why is he posting this? So and to Hime's defense, it wasn't 163 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,840 Hime who posted it. It was one of the guys that works with him. 164 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:01,200 But yeah, so Llun's can look kind of weird, although I'm not 165 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:07,320 sure that's what this is, because this does appear to be one solid object, 166 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,799 doesn't appear to be multiple, But I don't know, weird, Doug 167 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,559 Duck, Well, I think it's time to call it a night. Feed 168 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,919 your squirrel and we'll okay, yeah, talk to you next week, my 169 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,960 invisible squirrel in here. Yeah, all right, all right, yep, 170 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,960 you have a great week and we will talk to you later. All right, 171 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,080 thanks a lot. So a little bit about our guest tonight. Jeff 172 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,960 Willis has been researching UFOs and related phenomena for over twenty five years. His 173 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:41,919 initial interests in aliens didn't start with a simple UFO sighting. He's been having 174 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:46,559 sightings of UFOs and other odd experiences since nineteen seventy five. In nineteen eighty 175 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,000 seven, at the age of seventeen, he moved to Phoenix from Seattle with 176 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:54,519 his family. Skywashing became his full time activity after getting his video camera in 177 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,879 nineteen ninety five. He's been able to get over two hundred and fifty hours 178 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:05,200 solid UFO video. Jeff Willis was one of the co creators of the UFO 179 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:09,679 Trip. It became the History Channels UFO Hunter's TV show. His footage has 180 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,600 been unfeatured in many programs, including History Channels, Ancient Aliens, Disney's Race 181 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:20,600 to Which Mountain, and Dana Akroyd Unplugged on UFOs and many more. All 182 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,399 right, so hanging for the quick music break, We'll be right back with 183 00:14:24,519 --> 00:15:56,039 Jeff Willis. Jeff will Let's tell a ya, Hey, how you doing. 184 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:58,200 That's a great music intro. I thought I was stuck inside of a 185 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:03,639 pink Floyd you or something that's by Kerrie Lloyd Whitehouse. He's a fan of 186 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:08,879 the show. He's in Ireland, produces movies for music for movies and uh, 187 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,559 and he did a bunch of music for us. So yeah, that 188 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:18,320 was great. Yeah. Thanks. Hey, well, welcome to the show. 189 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,759 First of all, and we are not related, by the way, 190 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,039 or for some reason, your relatives decided to put an E in your last 191 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:30,279 name, right? Yeah? Where'd they go wrong? Right? Well? 192 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,879 Yeah, I know every time someone asked me, you know, what's your 193 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,120 name? You know? And I tell him and there they try to, 194 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:37,799 you know, they have to write it down for some reason, they always 195 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:42,399 spell it with an I S instead of a yeah, it happens. Yeah. 196 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:48,159 So first of all, you are in Phoenix, and I believe I 197 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,000 saw you a couple of years ago out there at the conference at the UFO 198 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Congress. But how did you, uh first get involved in the UFO topic? 199 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,799 To begin with? What was your fast fascination? Well, that happened 200 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,079 from some experiences that I had and when I was about five years old in 201 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,799 nineteen seventy five, will you know, start way at the very beginning, 202 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:18,240 I guess, And what happened was is I was lying in bed about where 203 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:23,240 to go to sleep, and I was the lights were turned off and the 204 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:30,920 door was cracked open just a hair And as I was lying there, about 205 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,839 maybe five minutes later, after I was lying there, all of a sudden 206 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,200 I felt something grab my hand, And all of a sudden something was holding 207 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:45,200 my hand. Now it felt like a regular person's hand as far as I 208 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:52,960 remember. And I wasn't immediately scared or startled because I thought maybe for I 209 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:56,319 just you know, when you're a kid, you know, and when you're 210 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:59,799 an adult, you try to explain it away at first to try to come 211 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,799 up with an explanation what is this. So the first thought I had was 212 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:07,920 my mom come in the room when I had my eyes closed and was holding 213 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,960 my hand for some reason, like lying there with me. And then right 214 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:17,920 after that immediate thought, I saw her walk by the door on the outside 215 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,279 of the door on the other side in the other room, walking around. 216 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,640 And so once I saw that, that's when I got scared, and I 217 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:32,119 gathered enough courage to as fast as I could, reach over and turn on 218 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,440 the lamp that was on the right hand side of the bed, and so 219 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,640 I did that as soon as I did, and the light flood of the 220 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,079 room, the pressure released off my hand and there was nothing there at all, 221 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,119 absolutely nothing. So at the very young age of like five or six 222 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:51,119 years old, I realized that there was something else besides the physical realm that 223 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,559 we're all hereing. You know, obviously, there was something there. Something 224 00:18:55,599 --> 00:18:57,599 was holding my hand, and they're not there when the lights turned on, 225 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:03,480 So this is some thing that is interfering into our world that we can't see 226 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:07,920 obviously. So I was brought into it that, you know, with questions 227 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,240 at a very young age, and how that progressed was when I went to 228 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:18,920 kindergarten, they decided to take the group. The very first day of kindergarten, 229 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,240 they took a group of us to the the elementary school library, which 230 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:27,960 was a couple of rooms down the hall, and they were, you know, 231 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,759 showing us all these books and you know, now you're in this elementary 232 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,079 school. You can come here and check out books any day of the week 233 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,160 and take them home. And they were like, okay, so why a 234 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,200 don't you guys all spread out and grab some books so you can we can 235 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:45,319 check them out. And you know, you got to remember this was grade 236 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,519 kindergarten through sixth grade, I believe, and so they had older kids, 237 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:53,559 you know, sixth grader books and you know, bigger words and stuff like 238 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:59,160 that. So I found I was looking through the entire library out of the 239 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,640 kindergartener and I come across a section of books that I just grabbed off the 240 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,480 shelves. I was like, I got to know about this, I mean, 241 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,680 because of the incident that happened before. I came to the counter and 242 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:18,000 I had a book called Ufo Photographs and it had the different saucer shapes that 243 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:25,160 people have saw and another book was that I was trying to check out at 244 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,279 the time was a man was called Beyond Earth Man's Contact with UFOs, and 245 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:34,240 it had some abduction cases in there. I think one of the first, 246 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,480 one of the very first abduction cases was in the book was the Travis Walton 247 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:42,079 case. That came later, but also was featured in that book was a 248 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,799 Betty and Barney Hill case, which came, you know, ten or twelve 249 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:52,039 years prior to the Travis Walton thing. And so I also had a big 250 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:53,519 Foot book I was trying to check out. And so when I brought these 251 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:56,079 books to the thing, they looked at me and they're like, you can't 252 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,960 read these You're barely learning to read and these are like six great books. 253 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,559 What are you trying to do? Why are you interested in this stuff? 254 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:07,720 And why are you trying to read this? And basically I I just told 255 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:11,200 her I wanted I wanted these books, you know, I want to check 256 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,759 these books out. So I brought them home and my my parents were puzzled 257 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:15,960 too. They were like, why do you want to know what this is? 258 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,359 And I that was one of the first times I was able to ask 259 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,279 the question I was. I was like, well, well, what is 260 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,200 I want to know what a UFO is, and I want to know what's 261 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:33,200 inside of a UFO, and you know, please answer that question. And 262 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,000 my mom was like, well, I don't know, and maybe a robot, 263 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,720 I guess, And that didn't really satisfy me. So I was like, 264 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:42,920 and I want to know what was in my room, you know, 265 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,480 you know, if you know, not too long ago, a few months 266 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:48,759 ago, that was trying that was holding my hand, and I asked her 267 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,240 that. The next morning, I asked her what that was when when the 268 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,079 incident happened as well, and she didn't have an answer for me. She 269 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:00,680 said that was probably a guardian angel or that was her, That's what she 270 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,400 said. So that didn't really satisfy me either. So I was asking again 271 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,039 later and I had these books and I was trying to figure all this stuff 272 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:11,680 out, so that that kind of a long answer to your question. But 273 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:18,480 that's basically how it started. Well that's probably a record for someone starting that 274 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:22,799 young. Looking at UFO books, I've never heard anyone that young. That's 275 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,440 amazing. Well, what was weird is is later on in life, when 276 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:30,880 the book I think it was like, you know, some of the very 277 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:40,079 first material to touch on some of the abduction cases and some of the commonalities 278 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,640 among them was that book called Missing Time by Bud Hopkins, which came out 279 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,559 around nineteen eighty and I bought the book and I looked at it and read 280 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:52,359 it, and I was amazed to see that there was a lot of people 281 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,559 in that book that claimed do we have abduction experiences? Where they all were 282 00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:02,079 saying the same thing that was start out when they were like five or six 283 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,440 years old, and it was like a common thread among a lot of them. 284 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,480 And I remember reading some of Whitley Strieber's books later too, that he 285 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:12,079 said that he believed that his started around when he was like five or six 286 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,559 years old. And so I was thinking, is this a common thread where 287 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,440 the people that are being contact or being contacted at that young of an age 288 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:23,200 and my part of this group of people? And you know, all these 289 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:29,640 questions led me to basically buy almost every single UFO book on the subject I 290 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,640 can find or ever get my hands on. And so I have this huge 291 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:38,839 library of UFO books and I've read probably like ninety percent of them. And 292 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,200 you know, my library hasn't gotten much bigger since nineteen ninety five. When 293 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:52,319 I got my first video camera to try to videotape these things because all out 294 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:55,319 of all these books that I read and all of the UFO cases that I 295 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,720 ever read about, it never really told me the truth. Are they here? 296 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,880 You know? Can I see it for myself. We're never going to 297 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,039 believe a book or someone's story unless we see it ourself, right, So 298 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,880 that was my next mission was to videotape them, get them on tape to 299 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,839 prove it to myself. I mean, there, I already knew because of 300 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:22,160 the contacts from you know, the different incidences that I had, that there 301 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,720 was something that was trying to contact me or you know, I've been physically 302 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,839 touched by them, so to speak, and I know that there was something 303 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,240 there. So you know, whether it was a ghost, an alien, 304 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,559 whatever it was, you know, I want to know. So it just 305 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:41,960 basically drove me to the UFO subject because later on, when I was about 306 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:48,039 seven years old, I saw a UFO which was like a triangle shaped UFO 307 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,160 over the apartment complex that I lived at when I was seven, and this 308 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,839 was in broad daylight, and there was three of them and I remember they 309 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,119 were small, they weren't like what you you know, hear these reports of 310 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,319 these huge triangles. These were like smaller triangles. There was three of them, 311 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,279 and instead of a flying point like the point would fly in that direction. 312 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,359 First, it was flying with the V like shape back. It looked 313 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,359 like a backwards flying you know what you would think would be flying this way, 314 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:19,759 you know, with the point in the front, It wouldn't. It 315 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:22,880 wasn't flying that way. It's pointing flying with the V in the front. 316 00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:26,839 And so that's what startled me. At first I thought I was an airplane. 317 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,799 And then when the three of them got closer, I was like, 318 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,119 that's not an airplane. That's from that book that I had, and that's 319 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:38,279 one of those UFOs. And so I, you know, it was trying 320 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:44,519 to relate the the experience in the bedroom with the UFOs that I saw, 321 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:49,440 to try to put those together along with the books of telling people that you 322 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,519 know in the book explaining that people have been contacted by these UFOs and the 323 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:57,680 beans close encounters of the third kind. I'd already learned that phrase by the 324 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,799 time I was seven, which is the description of a UFO in close proximity 325 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,359 to a person within like fifty yards or something like that. And you know, 326 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,960 and they where they see beans outside the craft, which you know, 327 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,039 so I was always familiar with the lingo and all this stuff at this young 328 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:22,960 age. And also I saw what I can only describe as as a low 329 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:26,160 UFO over some houses when I was ten years old. And this ufo looked 330 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,599 like a wat like you know, the old New York City water towers. 331 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,799 They looked like kind of cone shaped and around with like a round oval like 332 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,720 you know, like oval or round shaped like a UFO on the bottom, 333 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:42,599 but with a slight cone on the top. And this was just kind of 334 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,839 wobbling over a house. I come up on it over a hill with my 335 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,599 bike and saw it hovering over house, rocking back and forth, and I 336 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,400 watched it in amazement for like what seemed like a while, but it was 337 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,680 only like probably like two minutes, and then it just started taking off over 338 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:04,759 some trees nearby, Like it started flying in a direction where it went over 339 00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,759 a green belt where there were some trees, and I lost it because you 340 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,319 know, the trees eventually will cut you know, you can't see it. 341 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,319 So I went down this trail looking for it, and this is when I 342 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:19,640 had my first missing time experience is after I went down that trail looking for 343 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,519 this thing, I don't remember anything until like about seven thirty. This happened 344 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,720 about maybe three in the afternoon, and I don't remember anything until probably like 345 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:32,559 seven at the next night. I remember I was getting dark and I couldn't 346 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:33,559 find my bike. Like all of a sudden, I was on a trail 347 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:40,480 and I couldn't find my bike and it was dark, and then I finally 348 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:42,240 found it and I started writing home. And when I got home, my 349 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,920 parents, I remember, were mad because I should have been home a long 350 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:52,000 time ago and I couldn't remember. I didn't really you know, look at 351 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,799 it. You know, before missing time was in the UFO books and all 352 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:57,599 that stuff, you didn't really hear about it other than the Barney and Betty 353 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,000 hillcase and maybe the traps Walten case. But I wasn't really as much familiar 354 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,359 with those cases to really know what missing time was. And I didn't really 355 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,119 feel like, you know, I knew that there was some time past and 356 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,440 it was darker, and I found my back beat. When you're a kid, 357 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,640 you you don't really think about it that too much. I did a 358 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,559 little bit, But then later on, after I learned it was part of 359 00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:23,039 the UFA phenomenon. That's when I really started focus on that was did I 360 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:29,200 have missing time? And it was so finally, it was so finally cut 361 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,599 into you know, the regular time that you barely you know, you barely 362 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,039 miss it. You know, maybe maybe it was only maybe an hour and 363 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,440 a half or maybe two hours, you know, I don't know, but 364 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:44,880 I apparently I was late getting home and my parents weren't too happy about it. 365 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,880 Yeah, A lot of people talk about it being a retrospective that they 366 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:55,960 look back and it takes a little bit of looking back to realize that there 367 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,920 was actually missing time. That's what That's what I hear a lot on the 368 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,240 those cases. So do you think the incident you had in the bedroom is 369 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:10,720 what started your fascination with why you walked through the library and wrap those books, 370 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,279 or do you think you would have anyway it was? I think it 371 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,759 was, But it's hard to tell if I would have anyways because later on 372 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,640 down the road I had a couple more bedroom experiences in the future, but 373 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,960 I was never able to actually see the face of what it was until just 374 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:37,119 even like most recently I think about I would say it was like about twenty 375 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:44,160 and twelve or twenty and thirteen, I was finally able to look see the 376 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,759 glimpse of the face of what this thing was. And I don't know if 377 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:51,880 it was the same thing that had come into the bedroom previous times, because 378 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,880 I can count them on one hand. I probably had like five bedroom experiences 379 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,599 that I can remember that I can know that I was like conscious when it 380 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,480 happened, type of thing, you know, where I can, you know, 381 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:08,119 relate to it. Now, who's to say that when they're when you're 382 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,160 at your most deepest sleep in the middle of the night, that they don't 383 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,559 come and do something. You know, I don't. I don't know if 384 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,559 that happened, but I do remember the times that did happen and what happened. 385 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:27,319 So what I saw before twenty twelve or twenty thirteen was always a dark 386 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:34,599 figure where you can't see what it is for a split second before you like 387 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,880 go into a missing time experience and then wake up and nothing's there, or 388 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,839 wake up in the morning and then slightly remember, oh, right before I 389 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,839 went to sleep, I remember seeing like some beans standing at the foot of 390 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720 the bed. One time I saw two of them standing at the foot of 391 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,680 the bed, but they don't. But to fast forward to the twenty twelve 392 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,440 twenty thirteen incident, was in the middle of the day, like twelve in 393 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,480 the afternoon. I was feeling kind of tired, so I laid down for 394 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,119 like a short nap, and all of a sudden, I felt like what 395 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,640 you know when you're lying on your stomach, like if like I what you 396 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,240 would feel if like like a person put both of their hands on your back 397 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,759 and start pushing and start pushing you onto the bed, like pushing with force 398 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,880 where you can feel somebody pushing down on your back. And I like that 399 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,440 kind of like woke me up out of the sleep. But I was like 400 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:26,519 paralyzed. I couldn't move at all, and I can feel this pressure pushing 401 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,960 me down further into the bed. And I was like, well, I 402 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,119 can't move, I can feel somebody pushing on my back. I don't know 403 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,000 what this is, uh, And then I I thought that for just a 404 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,279 second, and then all of a sudden, I related it back to all 405 00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:42,440 these other experiences, and then I thought to myself, Okay, I know 406 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:49,160 exactly what this is. And so I was able to break free of the 407 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:57,400 paralysis and get my eyes wide open during the same second that I felt being 408 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,279 pushing on my back and I was able to flip around on my back to 409 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,480 see the face of this thing for the first time. It looked like exactly 410 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,759 what they always describe in these books it was, but to see it, 411 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,519 you could see the texture. It was like a like gray. The skin 412 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,559 was gray like they always say the skin though, and the face you can 413 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,319 see was like the texture was like moisture. It had like moisture. The 414 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,440 skin was like moist like maybe a frog, like the texture of a frog. 415 00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:37,240 And you can see like veins under the skin, like like black or 416 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,440 like you know, gray like type of like you know, a compression of 417 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,440 what were like some type of like vein. I don't know if they were 418 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,039 veins or not, but there was like a pattern of something under the skin 419 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:54,559 of like a tight skin over like veins that are popping out. And it 420 00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:00,880 had the gray that it had. The eyes were like just one black pupil 421 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,559 and they weren't like oversized like a lot of they described it was. It 422 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,279 was like bigger than normal, but it wasn't like huge like how they describe 423 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:12,359 it. And the thing is is I only saw it for like less than 424 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,920 even a second. It only let I was only able to see it for 425 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,240 like one second, and as soon as I blinked and opened my eyes back 426 00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:25,119 up, as quick as a blink, it was gone. And so it 427 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,799 was over my bed. When I rolled over my back, I saw it 428 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,319 right its face right there, and then I didn't see the rest of its 429 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:37,200 body, it just maybe the shoulders of it. And then within one blink 430 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,359 it was gone. And so you know, that was the only time I've 431 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,680 ever seen what they look like. And I don't know if those that was 432 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,440 the same thing that you know has been coming around all these years. And 433 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,039 I don't even know if you can relate these bedroom beings or these whatever they 434 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:59,160 are. I don't even know if you can relate them to aerial phenomenon because 435 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:05,079 a lot of times when people see this aspect of the UFO experience or the 436 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,559 abduction experience, so to speak, when they have the bedroom visitation of an 437 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:15,480 alien, most of those experience, no one ever sees UFO with those experiences, 438 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,519 you know. I mean, there's other experiences where you see the UFO 439 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,559 with the bean, like the Betting and Barney Hill case or the trous Walton 440 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:28,480 case. Those are two of you know, when I look at the UFO 441 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,480 abduction phenomenon, I put them in those two different categories. There's the cases 442 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:36,000 where you see the UFO with the bean, and then there's the cases where 443 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:37,920 they never see the UFO, where they only see the bean in the room. 444 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,039 Or then there's a little of both when you see the bean and you're 445 00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,559 being levitated out of a bean into a UFO. There's those that category as 446 00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:51,360 well, and that way you finally see both, but it starts off in 447 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,800 the room and then you're levitated into a UFO and then you see the UFO 448 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,719 after you see the bean. So there's a couple of different categories there that 449 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,920 I like to look at when it comes to the actual entities or et or 450 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,880 whatever you want to call it. Now, we have a regression therapist in 451 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,039 the chat room, so she probably would want me to ask this question, 452 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:19,480 have you ever thought of having regression hypnotherapy? Well, yeah, back in 453 00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:24,079 like nineteen ninety two, I believe it was nineteen ninety two, I seen 454 00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:30,840 on some UFO documentaries I think like Sightings, a couple of different TV shows 455 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,719 of maybe yeah, it was Sightings, And I also saw her on I 456 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:42,320 believe, like Rala Rivera or whatever was the famous hypnotherapist Yvonne Smith from California. 457 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,519 So around the early nineties, I saw her talking about this sort of 458 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:49,559 stuff and I was like thinking, Wow, you know, she's hypnotizing these 459 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,280 people, just like Bud Hopkins. She's friends with Bud Hopkins. She obviously 460 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,199 knows what she's doing. So I contacted her about it, and then she 461 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,199 referred me to a therapist in the Phoenix area that works with regression with abducties 462 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:10,239 and stuff. And I never went further than that with contacting another person about 463 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,480 it and going under hypnosis because I bought this book by in like it was 464 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:21,400 like a ninety three maybe a year later after I, you know, started 465 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:28,679 looking into this hypnosis thing. I bought a book by It was Edith. 466 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,840 I can't I can't really recall an it. I can't remember right off hand, 467 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,360 but it was a book about self hypnosis. They like they taught you 468 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,400 how to do it yourself, like to hypnotize yourself and look for memories. 469 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,079 And so I did it. I did it, and I tried to recall 470 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:52,960 one incident and I started to see in my mind, in my subconscious mind 471 00:36:52,239 --> 00:37:00,039 started to show me memories about it that I couldn't remember before I started the 472 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:06,280 hypnosis process. And right when I started getting the information that I couldn't remember 473 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,920 consciously, I quit doing it because I started getting scared and I didn't want 474 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,960 to. I didn't want to continue down that path. You know. It 475 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:16,559 was like, wait a minute, you know, why can't I remember this 476 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,960 before I go into hypnosis? I'm and so that part of it kind of 477 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,960 freaked me out and I pretty much stopped. So I didn't. I didn't 478 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,519 pursue it with anybody else or try any more self hypnosis or anything like that. 479 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,800 So I mean I would I'm open to it now maybe now, but 480 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,679 at the time I wasn't. I'm not sure if I if something like that 481 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,360 happened to me, if I'd really want to explore it. I know this 482 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,000 has come up on the show before, but I asked I asked Travis Walton 483 00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,519 the same question basically, and he said he did it once and he'll never 484 00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:58,639 do it again. He doesn't want to know anymore, you know, basically, 485 00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:01,360 so right, And that was my experience with it, because once your 486 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,199 brain is starting to show you memories that you couldn't remember, until you got 487 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:10,199 into this trans state, you might not want to continue down that road. 488 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,360 I mean once you open the door. Now once you know, if I 489 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,519 if I was to go under hypnosis and look at a different experience and it 490 00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,920 started turning out the same way, then I might want to just stop the 491 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,440 session too, you know. But it's I don't know, it's weird. 492 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,159 It's weird for your subconscious, it's the same thing, and you know it's 493 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,960 used in the court of law. You know, it's you know, you 494 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,880 you know, some people do something bad and a car speeds down the street 495 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,880 and you're the only one there to stand on the sidewalk. So they take 496 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,840 you and the police do a interview with you about it, and then they 497 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,639 come to the clusion that maybe he might remember the license plate under hypnosis. 498 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,760 So you go under hypnosis, and all of a sudden, you can remember 499 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,519 that license plate just like you were standing there staring right at it. I 500 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,039 mean that kind of kind of freaks you out. After that, you know, 501 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:06,599 you're like, Wow, your subconscious is taken in a heck of a 502 00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,519 lot more than you are really aware of, and this can be accessed. 503 00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:14,360 Yeah, I've said that, you know, you kind of put everything in 504 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,880 little file boxes, you know, little moments and things like that which can 505 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,519 be accessed, which is I don't know if it can be accessed through hypnotherapy, 506 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:28,440 but it's still that your your brain really does capture a lot of things. 507 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,840 Now, I see that you moved to Phoenix in nineteen ninety five, 508 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:40,000 and the first thing I think I moved in nineteen eighty seven. Oh yeah, 509 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,559 nineteen ninety five. I got my video camera. Ah okay, I 510 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:49,480 was going to ask you if you're there for nineteen ninety seven, March thirteenth, 511 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:57,119 you know what I'm talking about. But when you moved there, did 512 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:04,440 you right away get into what was going on in that area? When we 513 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,960 moved here in nineteen eighty seven, it was a weird transition because what happened 514 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:14,440 was is I I was into UFOs until about a year before that. I 515 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,639 was into UFOs until I was about sixteen years old, and I was, 516 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,119 you know, I had, you know, about all the experiences and all 517 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,519 that, and all the books and stuff like that. I read them and 518 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:30,000 I was really into the subject. And for some reason, when I turned 519 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:36,079 sixteen, I was basically, you know, been in high school maybe a 520 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,079 year or so and so I was kind of like in the threshold of going 521 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:43,679 through high school and stuff like that. And then when I turned seventeen, 522 00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:49,599 my parents decided that we're gonna leave Seattle and move them to Phoenix, and 523 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,920 so I started a new high school when we moved out here in eighty seven, 524 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,000 and finished high school in eighty eight. And then I, you know, 525 00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,800 so this is probably about the third year that I was kind of not 526 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:10,119 pursuing or being interested in the UFO stuff. And then in about nineteen I 527 00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:17,199 think it was about nineteen ninety was when I got back into it because I 528 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,840 had an experience here in Phoenix and another bedroom one and I it related me 529 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,960 back to the Seattle experiences and all that, and I thought to myself, 530 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,559 you know, they followed me here, like how did they know? You 531 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:35,320 know, and like all this stuff was flooding my brain, you know, 532 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,119 it was all coming back. And so then in nineteen ninety I was going 533 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:45,039 through a book you know, a bookstore, and I saw the Communion book 534 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,000 on the shelf and I never read it before, and I'd never even seen 535 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,920 it before. It didn't know anything about it, and it had already been 536 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,559 out like about maybe you know, four years or something like that by you 537 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,719 know in nineteen ninety. When I, you know, bought it, I 538 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,960 guess I apparently had already been out for like five or six years. I 539 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,719 don't know, but I bought it and went home and I and I when 540 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,079 I saw the cover, of course, I saw that, I was like, 541 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,719 yeah, I need to get this. This is this, there's this 542 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,039 is connected to me somehow. And I read it and it related me back 543 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,000 to when I was a kid some of the experiences he had. It brought 544 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,320 me back into it kind of basically, it did. It really did bring 545 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,119 me back into it. So then that's when I followed up and buying the 546 00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:36,039 the Bud Hopkins book Missing Time, and then I bought uh Intruders, bought 547 00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:42,760 Hopkins Intruders, and then I started buying a bunch of UFO objuction literature, 548 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:49,440 like a Secret Life from David Jacobs and a couple more Willie Streeber books Transformation 549 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,599 and stuff, just trying to get the feel because now I was starting to 550 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:58,159 connect and trying, and I was connecting myself with some of these other people 551 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,000 that had the experience from a young age. And I bought the Ed Walters 552 00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:07,599 book golf BER's floor to Sightings. Now this is what kind of turned me 553 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:15,360 into the skywatcher. Here is I saw a sightings television show, Broadcast Sightings. 554 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,760 Remember that old show Sightings. Oh yeah, of course. Now they 555 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,639 had a Sightings episode and this was about in nineteen ninety three, I believe, 556 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,119 nineteen ninety three, nineteen ninety four, and it was about a guy 557 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:30,119 that can video tip at UFO anytime of the day, don't it doesn't matter. 558 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,519 He can go outside in his backyard, set it the video camera. 559 00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:36,599 Boom, he gets the UFO on video. Doesn't matter what time of day. 560 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,280 As long as it's day, there's daylight outside, he's able to get 561 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,360 it on video. And so I was like, this is what I've been 562 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,800 waiting my whole life to do, to get it on video. I saw 563 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:52,599 the UFOs before, and now it's you know, I've read all these books. 564 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,079 I have a huge UFO library, you know, and now it's time 565 00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,360 to get the evidence. I want to know how to do this. And 566 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:05,000 so basically this guy was John bro Wilke. Okay, and you probably have 567 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,320 heard of him. He's in UFO literature, John bro Wilkey. He was 568 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,320 able to videotape this UFO anytime of the day. So Sightings you know who 569 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:19,960 he is. Yeah, so he set up his video camera. Sightings set 570 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,119 up their television broadcast video you know cameras, film cameras, and they were 571 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:31,679 able to get UFOs on tape right alongside the right alongside this guy on his 572 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,719 cameras as well. And so this was proven right there, you know that 573 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,960 this guy can do it. And uh so he had a technique and the 574 00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:49,920 technique was described and how is how what he did was is he took the 575 00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,199 side of his house and he blocked the sun out out so you can't see 576 00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:58,519 the sun, and then the glowing remainder of the sun. You know. 577 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,079 He he took his camera and he zoomed into this part of the sky where 578 00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:08,159 you can see like way up there, and you can see like bugs shooting 579 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:14,079 by. You can see like cotton balls cruising across the sky. But then 580 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,679 way way up there passed all the cotton balls, passed all the bugs. 581 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,400 You would see an object come in to frame, stop, slowly, start 582 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,440 to move and then shoot away real fast. And he would get like a 583 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,360 bunch of these and in different they would come in different speeds different altitudes, 584 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,920 and they would do different things. Some of them were cigar shapes, some 585 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,079 of them were around, some of them were hockey puck looking, some of 586 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:43,840 them were cylinders. You know, any category of the UFO. If you 587 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,280 look at UFOs, they're described in a million different shapes. He got every 588 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,559 million shape you can think of, and so and so that was it. 589 00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,159 I went out and bought my video camera and I set it up and I 590 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,079 tried to do the same thing. And I did a little bit of research 591 00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:02,440 as well, which I saw on some of the other siding shows about these 592 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,119 nineteen ninety solar eclips in Mexico City, where at the top in the height 593 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,719 of the eclipse, when the entire disc of the sun was blocked that people 594 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,880 started videotaping UFOs all over the place. And I thought, it's the same 595 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,519 concept. You block the sun out. You can see these things way way 596 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,880 up there. It happens in the eclipse. It happens when you block it 597 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,840 away with your house. Same concepts. So I did it. I got 598 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:36,480 video of a UFO and I contacted moufon. This was back in nineteen ninety 599 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,239 seven when I was able to get a bunch of UFOs on video. And 600 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,639 then in nineteen ninety seven, I had I got this one double dome looking 601 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,039 UFO, like what I describe as a cigar shape with two domes on top 602 00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:52,039 instead of one, and so I thought, this video is really interesting. 603 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,760 And it was a daylight video as well, and it streaks across the camera 604 00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:01,360 really really fast. So I called Channel ten Fox News and they looked at 605 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,159 the video and they're like, oh, yeah, we got to run this. 606 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,840 So they showed the video. But before they showed the video, I 607 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,599 thought, well, if they're going to do it on Fox ten tonight then 608 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,280 and I've already had mof on over there a week before that. And they 609 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,480 took the video and took a siding report for me and took a copy of 610 00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,800 the video. So I figure, well, I'm I had this list of 611 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,559 ufologists in this book that came out that was published back then, and I 612 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:37,920 I were familiar with Linda Moulton House reports on Dreamland with Art Bell on Sunday, 613 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,480 so I saw I had her number in that book, and I figured, 614 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:45,239 I'm just gonna call her and tell her that tonight. You know, 615 00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,440 if you you know, want the broadcast, I'll send it to you. 616 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,239 But tonight on Fox, We're gonna have a low. They're going to have 617 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,679 a local news story about some footage I shot, and so I thought I'd 618 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,000 just call her and tell her and if she wants the tape, I'll send 619 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,119 it to her. Instead, she did a whole she did a whole audio 620 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,400 interview with me about the footage and about what was going to show later on 621 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:12,079 Fox. And she took the interview and late and later that night she went 622 00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,960 on art Bell at eight o'clock and broadcast the interview with me and her on 623 00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:20,519 Dreamland an hour before or two hours before the actual newscast. So she kind 624 00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,320 of scooped Fox ten and Phoenix by putting it on Dreamland with So I was 625 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,480 like, Wow, this is cool. I'm on art Bell, but I'm 626 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,880 on via interview with Lindham on House. I'm not actually live on the Art 627 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,840 Bell show. I'm live or I'm not even live. I'm on an interview, 628 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,079 a pre recorded interview with Linda on Dreamland. So I thought that was 629 00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:40,880 kind of cool to get on art Bell via an interview with Linda, you 630 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,519 know, on an audio tape. That was kind of a cool way to 631 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,320 break through into the thing with radio so you know, I was starting to 632 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,239 do radio shows after that, but that was the first time I ever was 633 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,960 introduced to being on a UFO radio show. So later on that night they 634 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:05,840 put the video on ten and they showed it, and people earlier in the 635 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,480 night they heard it on art Bell and they heard me on with Linda. 636 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,320 And so the next day I got mailed from all over the world, like 637 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,920 like within the next week. I not the next day, but within a 638 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:21,480 couple of days, I was getting letters from everywhere, like a like a 639 00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:25,000 New Zealand and all sorts of places. And then everybody in Phoenix that saw 640 00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:30,039 it on the Fox, the Double Dome video, they were calling me and 641 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,480 contrying to contact me. So I went and spoke for the Art Belt chat 642 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,039 club that year, and it just snowballed after that, and that's how I 643 00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:42,239 really started getting into the video of this, you know, and just capturing 644 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,559 more video and more video and more video. And then what was kind of 645 00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:53,800 unique was that I decided not to do this Sun technique thing anymore because people 646 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:59,000 that were doing it at the time, what with you know, not only 647 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:04,719 not just me, but during like pre nineteen ninety eight, like I would 648 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,519 say, between nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety eight, there was the only 649 00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:15,159 people that were videotaping UFOs and the only people that were doing the sun technique 650 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,280 as well were you know, we can count them on just you know, 651 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,280 maybe you know, one hand. Even it was like me, it was 652 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:30,039 Tim Edwards, jose Escamillius, Tom King, and John bro and that was 653 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,639 it. Five. There's maybe a couple more. There was a couple other 654 00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:37,679 skywatchers that I knew at the time that were just starting to get into it. 655 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,119 Oh yeah, and you had Thomson Borne from from Golf Breeze, Florida, 656 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:44,119 and a couple of the Golf Briese people, you know, because that 657 00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:45,840 flap went on for like five or six years, and there were you know, 658 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,639 there's a lot of skywatchers that came out of it, like Bruce Morrison 659 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,480 and Ed Walters and a few other famous ones, but there wasn't very many 660 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,880 of us back in you know, like ninety three to ninety eight that were 661 00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,159 taping UFOs. You can count them on, you know, two hands basically. 662 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:06,079 And so there were there the Daylight citing people like me and jose As 663 00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:09,320 Kamilius and Tim Edwards and Tom King and John Bro, the people that did 664 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,079 a lot of the solar technique. We were getting attacked by all these debunkers 665 00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:17,119 that were saying, oh, those are just cotton balls or insects, and 666 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,480 and John Bro and us we would always say, you know, you can 667 00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:23,559 tell the difference between the cotton and the insects the UFOs. You know, 668 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,599 you can tell the difference. But you know, they don't want to ever 669 00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:31,760 listen to it. They attacked his rods footage stuff he you know, you 670 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,000 know, saying all the rods are just insects and all that stuff like that. 671 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,639 So I got kind of fed up with it. So around i'd say 672 00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:44,400 around nineteen ninety around nineteen ninety eight, I decided to change my tactics on 673 00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:47,199 videotap and UFOs. I decided that I'm not going to do any solar footage 674 00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:52,360 anymore. I'm not going to film UFOs using the solar technique, or I'm 675 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,199 not gonna and I'm not gonna film anymore rods or any of that stuff anymore 676 00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:00,360 if I'm using that technique. And so I changed my technique, which was 677 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,880 to turn my back on the sun, to film everything away from the sun 678 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:08,280 totally back against the sun. And I was still able to get the rod 679 00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:15,639 cylinder UFOs, the hockey puck UFOs that you dis shape UFOs. I was 680 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:20,679 still able to get all the same stuff, but the footage got better. 681 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,760 Turning your back on the sun and videotaping them this way I started my footage 682 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,679 started to improve, and I was starting to get better footage, like you 683 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,239 know, more structured videos, like where you can see structure and stuff like 684 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,840 that, where before it was just like a fuzzy ball or whatever. Now 685 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,280 you can see like the actual roundness or the structure or the oval shape of 686 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,960 the video. And so there was an improvement in video. Basically, h 687 00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:58,159 can you explain before we move on exactly how you were doing the solar blockout? 688 00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:01,079 Okay? What you do is is you okay, you know when you're 689 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:06,119 out out in your patio in the backyard, you have like that overhang above 690 00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,760 you. You can do it like that. You can take your position of 691 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:15,480 your camera and block the entire sun out until you just get the corona, 692 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:22,519 the corona of the sun, the shine like basically the bright part of it, 693 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,480 not the center part. You want to completely block the sun out till 694 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,119 you just get that glow. You know that glow overhang, You know of 695 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:34,920 it, and you want to either do that behind your house, like depending 696 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,760 on what position the sun is is during the day, like at high noon, 697 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:43,400 the ideal position would be like the overhang of a patio to where you 698 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,800 get that bright part of the sun. And and if it's later in the 699 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,360 day, like three o'clock to five o'clock, you'd want to use the side 700 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,440 of your house where you can see like the you know, the like the 701 00:53:54,519 --> 00:54:00,840 left part of the sun coming out, not the disc part, of course, 702 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,800 but just the glow of it. And during like the early hours of 703 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,159 the day, a good thing would be like a fence to block out that 704 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,880 part, the disk part, and get the shiny part so you can film 705 00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:16,599 at the top of the corona part. Now. Also another thing is is 706 00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:21,840 you always want to use UV protective sunglasses when you do it. You never 707 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,960 want to point the lens of your camera directly at the sun, like you 708 00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,840 never want to have the year at the disk of the sun exposing into the 709 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,199 camera lens. Okay, so what you want to do is you want to 710 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,239 completely block the sun before you even set your camera up, and so when 711 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:46,079 you do get the the the bright part of the sun coming out of the 712 00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:50,840 area that's blocked off, like the shiny part. You'll want to zoom in 713 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,599 with your camera into that krona part and not even completely in the krona a 714 00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:59,840 little bit to the left or the right of it, depending on you know, 715 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,039 where you're at, just a way of like you know, you're just 716 00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:06,000 on the outer edges of the shiny part, you know, zoom into that 717 00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:09,920 and you'll start seeing. What you'll see first off is you're going to see 718 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:15,400 like bugs, cotton stuff way up there, and stuff that you can be 719 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:22,679 confused thinking that that's a UFO, but watch and look because if they it 720 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,119 may very well be UFO. But but look at the difference. Make sure 721 00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:30,199 that you see bugs, and make sure that you see spiderwebs, make sure 722 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:37,000 that you see cotton. Make sure that you can identify all the known stuff. 723 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,679 And then that way, when you see the stuff that's higher up there, 724 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:45,480 then you'll see the real thing and you'll get it on video and you'll 725 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,920 be able to roll it back on your computer or your TV and say, 726 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,159 look, you know all this stuff is this identified stuff, identifiable stuff, 727 00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:57,679 But look at this. No one can tell me that this is this other 728 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,239 stuff because it's obviously not. And then you'll be able to you know, 729 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:06,719 videotape a UFO. And like I said, I you know, eventually I 730 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,920 got away from that way to do it, but that's always a great way 731 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,039 to start. And that's what I was getting at before. If you want 732 00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,119 to start out, videotape and that's a great way to start. And then 733 00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:21,559 once you can identify everything like that, once you turn your back on the 734 00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:23,880 sun and look up at the sky, you'll know exactly what you're looking for. 735 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,920 You'll and you'll know exactly what to look for, and when you see 736 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,079 it, you'll know what you're looking at. And also another thing is is 737 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,039 you use your the sky as like a canvas like a painter would use. 738 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:43,519 And that's how we recognize the UFO is if like in Arizona, we always 739 00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:45,800 have a perfectly blue sky with no clouds. Ever, and when you do 740 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:52,400 see clouds, they're really high or they're blanketing in the entire sky because it's 741 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,079 going to rain. So most of the time we have nothing. It's just 742 00:56:54,119 --> 00:57:00,800 a big blue sky and you focus your eyes in on this big blue canvas 743 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,159 and then just kind of just let your eyes just look at it, and 744 00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:07,599 then after about five minutes, your eyes are adjusted into it, so that 745 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:14,039 any thing that disturbs the canvas, like an airplane or a balloon or UFO 746 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,679 or anything up there, is gonna disturb that and you're gonna see it right 747 00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:21,440 away. It's gonna you know, your eyes will will catch it because it's 748 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,039 it's messing up your perfect blue canvas, you know, so your eyes will 749 00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:29,519 be able to adjust and say, hey, there's something and then and grab 750 00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:31,480 your camera. Now, this is how I do it. I I always 751 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,639 have binoculars like a arrow. I'm gonna ask you that. Yeah, And 752 00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,840 this is and the reason for this is is because number one, I got 753 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,800 like ten by fifty binoculars. They're not that they don't cost that much and 754 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,039 they're pretty powerful. They're not the you know, most powerful or anything. 755 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,639 But you don't need that. You just need what's affordable. And I would 756 00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:53,280 say ten by fifties don't go any lower than that. But uh, it's 757 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,760 a good, you know, good binocular, good power. And what I 758 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,159 do is if I see something that I want to see what it is, 759 00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:06,079 I'll look through the binoculars first and if I can just if I can see, 760 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,199 oh that's a plane. That's how I got to off forget it, 761 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:10,760 you know. But if I look through the binoculars and I see, okay, 762 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,039 that's something that I can't explain, then that's when I turn the camera 763 00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:17,159 on. That way, you're not sitting there with your camera on wasting your 764 00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:20,840 battery. So then when the UFO shows up and you press record, oh 765 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,559 the battery is dead, you know. So what you want to do is 766 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,239 use your binoculars until you see a UFO and then once you do, turn 767 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,199 your camera on and zoom into it and start recording it. And I also 768 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,079 have lenses that I use that are different power, like a five fifth. 769 00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:44,239 I have a what they call a five X lens made by made by Kut. 770 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:50,000 It's called a Cut five X, and it puts like fifty power on 771 00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:54,119 your video camera. So there is there a lot of time in the field 772 00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:59,679 that's just plane boring, just like looking around. And I mean you have 773 00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,079 to have a lot of patience for what you're doing. Oh yeah, yeah, 774 00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:08,199 I mean, well, the thing is about daylight video of UFOs is 775 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:14,599 like, you know, it's gonna happen, you know, if you sit 776 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,960 there for like two or three hours, you know you're bound to see something. 777 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,199 I mean there's been times where we've watched for like three or four hours 778 00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:28,280 and don't see anything, not even a balloon or anything like that, and 779 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:34,480 so we just you know, chalk it up nothing that day. So try 780 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,119 it again. And so what you want to generally try to do is put 781 00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,519 in hours. And that's how I've always looked at it, is you try 782 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:45,159 to put in maybe like twenty hours a week, and then you're bound to 783 00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,480 catch something. Now in the summertime, like how it is in Phoenix, 784 00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:52,440 Like like for the last couple of days, we've hit like one sixteen. 785 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:55,559 Like Saturday it was like one hundred and sixteen. We've had like one fifteen, 786 00:59:55,639 --> 01:00:00,559 one thirteen. It's been in the one twelve through one sixteen the last 787 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:04,519 week. And so forget forget UFOs during the day. I mean, that's 788 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:09,719 not gonna happen. And so I turned to nighttime skywatching during this time of 789 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,960 year. And if you look at all my footage, I mean, if 790 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,679 you go to my website's Ufosorphoenix dot com, you can download the video there 791 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,119 on a video page, or there's a button on there where you can just 792 01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:24,840 simply go to my YouTube channel and then check all my YouTube videos and then 793 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:30,559 look at my catalog of footage, and you'll see that I have some pretty 794 01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:39,199 great nighttime footage too, And so you know, nighttime footage it's few and 795 01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:44,800 far between, though. I tell you I've been able to videotape some really 796 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:50,679 good smoking gun nighttime videos, but I probably only have maybe like five of 797 01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:54,679 them, because you know, you just don't. I mean, people say, 798 01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,360 oh, wow, you were able to even see UFO more than once, 799 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,280 you know, that like freaks people out. Or now you're you're even 800 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,400 able to videotape at UFO more than that more than once. That freaks people 801 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:12,440 out, and and it's because they're not educated about it like UFOs. Like 802 01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:16,239 I said UFOs before, it's a high altitude phenomenon that occurs every day over 803 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:21,519 every single major city of the United States. All you have to just look 804 01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:27,800 for them. It's the same at night too as well, so you know, 805 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,960 it's it's one of those things you go on to like the UFO Reporting 806 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,840 Center, like for instance, Peter Davenport UFO Reporting Center, and you can 807 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:42,000 go by state by state index and see every single siding and you'll realize that 808 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,960 that the data is just incredible, like like they go, you know, 809 01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:50,880 there's hundreds of sidings every month, you know, in every state, so 810 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,400 it's and it goes back years and years and years every year, you know, 811 01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:59,039 you can go back twenty years or whatever. So it's nothing that you 812 01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:04,719 know, people should be like, if you're a UFO hunter or you're someone 813 01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:07,159 that's interested in this stuff, you're gonna see a bunch of them, you 814 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:09,280 know, if it's what you do. But if people don't know much about 815 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,079 it, you know, they don't have the research or knowledge about it, 816 01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:16,119 it kind of freaks them out that someone's able to see like a UFO over 817 01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:21,559 and over again because they think it's a once in a lifetime experience or you 818 01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:23,639 know, even a videotape one or just to see one, you know, 819 01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:29,719 and that's not it's not like that, do you think though? You have 820 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,800 your experience in Phoenix, So what makes you think that they're over other cities 821 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,039 as well? Like they are there. Well, that's kind of going back 822 01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:43,320 to the John bro thing. When I got into the videotaping stuff in two 823 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,760 thousand and five, I started quickly becoming friends with all the skywatchers that were 824 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,760 shooting video. When they found out I shot the same type of UFO footage 825 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,039 that they shot, they all wanted to be my friend and know who I 826 01:02:54,199 --> 01:03:00,760 was. So in nineteen ninety five I met people like tim ed Words that 827 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,760 had shot a cylinder footage in Solida, Colorado, for instance, and he 828 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,559 shot daylight cylinder footage and you're probably familiar with that video. And I also 829 01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:15,679 met during that same year Jose Escamelius, which lived in New Mexico at the 830 01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:21,960 time. And so now already I have a friend in Colorado that's shooting cylinders 831 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,519 and I shot some daylight cylinders too, so he's shooting the same stuff I 832 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:29,960 am shooting, but he lives in Colorado. And then during the same timeframe, 833 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:36,519 I met Jose Toscameilius that lived in New Mexico and he was shooting what 834 01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:40,480 they called the Midway I don't know if you're familiar with this, but back 835 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,679 in nineteen ninety five, Jose Escamilius was being was famous for the Midway New 836 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:53,119 Mexico UFO sightings, and he was using the solar technique to videotape little hockey 837 01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:59,360 puck shaped daylight UFOs in Midway, New Mexico and then a little bit later, 838 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,519 a couple maybe a year later, he started becoming famous doing the Rod 839 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,159 things. So this was even before he was famous with rods. He was 840 01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:14,079 shooting a famous UFO flap that he made famous himself by shooting footage in Midway, 841 01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:18,400 New Mexico, the Midway UFO Flap, and he was getting famous off 842 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:23,400 that before even he got famous with the rod footage. And so the guy 843 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:31,039 that used to like film outside out of his skylight sometimes I'm not really too 844 01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:35,440 sure on that, but this, you know who jose As Kamilias is obviously 845 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:41,360 the rods, right, yeah, yeah, before the before he got famous 846 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:46,519 with rods, he was famous for the daylight footage that he was shooting in 847 01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:51,400 Midway, New Mexico. And it was called the Midway Sidings. And this 848 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:58,199 was like i'd say, like ninety two through ninety four somewhere in there, 849 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,719 you know, and so maybe ninety five, you know, say it was 850 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,199 in there. It was before he was got into the rod thing. But 851 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:11,239 so he lived in New Mexico and then of course John bro at the time 852 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,719 he lived in northern in southern California, and so they were all four of 853 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,719 them were all shooting the same stuff at the time that I was shooting here 854 01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:25,000 in Phoenix. So that's what you know. I concluded this is this is 855 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,559 happening in every day in every city across the country. I mean, I 856 01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:32,800 mean, these these four other guys prove it pretty much to me. Now, 857 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,519 if we had one one of these guys in every state, they would 858 01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:40,679 all be reporting the same or video videotape and the same stuff. Now, 859 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,480 have you had some footage that you really examined closely and you could figure out 860 01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:50,360 it was something you know, prosaic, like say helicopter at a distance or 861 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,440 something like that. Oh yeah, all the time. I have, like 862 01:05:55,519 --> 01:06:00,079 I probably have like a stack of like two hundred VHS tapes because back when 863 01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:03,679 you and through the nineties, when you're shooting on eight milimeter, we would 864 01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:09,639 transfer all of our foot straight to a to a VHS tape. That way, 865 01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:13,320 if our eight millimeter tape got eaten or damaged or something, we would 866 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:18,639 have a copy of it on a VC VHS tape. So we just back 867 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:25,280 then, we just instead of just copying the one siding onto the onto the 868 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:30,719 tape, we just tape the We just put dump the entire eight milimeter onto 869 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,159 the VHS because you can put like extended play and it would take like five 870 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,920 or six hours of tape. So we would throw it all on VHS tapes 871 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,519 and then go over it and decide. Well, most of the time you 872 01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:45,480 can tell in camera when your video when you like I said, that's why 873 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:51,239 I always got into the the binoculars before I even press record, because when 874 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,519 early when you start early on, you start to realize that you're starting to 875 01:06:55,639 --> 01:07:00,519 videotape a lot of crap so to speak. That I were used that word 876 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,719 because it ends up being a helicopter or a ball of cotton or a balloon 877 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,159 or something like that until you zoom in and get you know, your pressure 878 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,239 record, and you're trying to capture this thing. And then when you get 879 01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:14,800 in on it on zoom, oh, that's just a ball of cotton or 880 01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,159 a balloon or a helicopter, a high altitude satellite or something like that. 881 01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:24,280 And so we you know, we had a lot of that stuff that we 882 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:29,280 examine just to make sure but also to get away from it all together. 883 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,559 That's when I started, you know, I got the binoculars. That way 884 01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:38,440 we don't have to waste videotape, waste recorded tape and have to record over 885 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,840 something, and you know, you know, everything costs money, you know, 886 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,519 even back then, a you know, a high eight tape still costs 887 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:49,280 five bucks or whatever, you know, and if you're have to record over 888 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:55,199 it, you know that that doesn't look good because the quality, I mean, 889 01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:57,599 I don't know if it's going to hold the same quality if it's been 890 01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:00,679 This tape's been recorded over three times, you know, because the first two 891 01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:09,000 times we recorded balloons by accident, you know. So now you mentioned earlier 892 01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,519 that these are high altitude. A lot of them are high altitude. And 893 01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:16,079 one of the things you hear is that a lot of people are saying about 894 01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:20,439 the triangle crafts that no one sees them at high altitude. And I just 895 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:27,880 wondered, had you ever seen anything triangular high altitude? Yeah, yeah, 896 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,319 a matter of fact, I have. And you're right, there is a 897 01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:39,479 lot of low active, low altitude activity with UFOs and triangles, but generally 898 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,960 these things like to you know, they like to stay a little bit away 899 01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:46,520 from us, like they're a little higher up. And like the day, 900 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:54,680 I've got some daylight triangle footage in the nineties from different people, and I 901 01:08:55,439 --> 01:09:00,279 videotaped one too, but generally they're different, like depending on Like I said, 902 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,720 you know that's weird about UFOs is like someone shoots a triangle and then 903 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,920 another purse shoots a triangle, and then you look at both videos and they're 904 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:13,199 different, Like the objects are different, like the crafts are different. Very 905 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:18,760 rarely do you have this person videotape the exact same thing in this video where 906 01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,760 you can compare both videos and say, wow, that looks like the exact 907 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,800 same thing. I mean, most of the time you're going to get two 908 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,880 objects that are very similar, but you wouldn't say that they were the exact 909 01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:33,439 same thing. But every now and then that happens, but not too often. 910 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:38,119 And that's that's the funny thing about the daylight triangles. As I was 911 01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:42,159 thinking, is because I remember there were some footage I looked at by a 912 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:46,840 guy Tom King back in the early nineties that shot a triangular footage. But 913 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,399 it looked like, you know, it was high altitude, but the way 914 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,840 that it looked, it looked like each tip of the triangle was like a 915 01:09:54,920 --> 01:10:00,239 round ball, but they were connected together like by something like an hour or 916 01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:03,600 rim. So the triangle shape was there, but on each end of the 917 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,920 triangle was like a round ball. You had these three round balls in a 918 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:12,920 triangular formation. But when you zoom in on the footage, you can see 919 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,800 the outline, you know, beyond the ball of the actual shape of the 920 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,680 triangle. And then I compared it to a video that was shot the same 921 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,840 year by this guy profit Yahweh. I don't know if you've heard of this 922 01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,920 guy before, profit Yahweh. He's been around for twenty years shooting UFO video 923 01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:35,000 come out of Vegas. I did an investigation on him back in nineteen ninety 924 01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:40,239 six. It drove out to Vegas to see if this guy was for real 925 01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:44,880 or not. That's a totally different story. But he shot this triangular footage, 926 01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:48,600 but it didn't look anything like the Tom King footage. This this triangular, 927 01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:54,960 this triangle footage was boomerang shaped, and it would look like a bunch 928 01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:00,640 of like white balls, like too, like you would see two white sticks 929 01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:03,600 put together like a v. But when he zoomed in, it looked like 930 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:09,399 a little tiny like white balls, like they could be balloons tuck together in 931 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:15,640 a triangle like shape. But it wasn't that because they weren't like flipping like 932 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,239 balloons or tumbling. They were like rigid stuck and it was traveling at like 933 01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:26,399 novos first across the sky, and that was, you know, some pretty 934 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,640 intriguing video. Like you know, a lot of these guys, to tell 935 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,399 you the truth, a lot of these skywatchers out there, and I'm one 936 01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:38,720 of them, so I can tell you this. I'm not. You know, 937 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:45,239 it's amazing to me because they will put out some junk footage sometimes, 938 01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:48,000 stuff that they know it's not UFOs, And then they'll put out some stuff 939 01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:53,199 that they've shot that is UFOs and it's not like they're trying to be hoaxers 940 01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:59,760 or it's not like they're trying to you know, put one over on anybody. 941 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,680 I think that they honestly sometimes don't know whether this is a balloon or 942 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:08,199 a UFO or an orb and they like they're fifty to fifty on it, 943 01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:11,319 so they're just like, let's just put it out there. You know who 944 01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:15,960 cares, you know, and that might not be the right approach sometimes, 945 01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:20,840 and you know, the people that do it more often than they put out 946 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:27,000 a real piece of footage. Eventually they're labeled into a group of people that 947 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,560 and you know all about that. But there's groups on Facebook now that are 948 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:38,800 like these sky Anomaly groups where they're posting like balloons and they think that now 949 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,560 this is the weirdest thing. And you know, they think that the UFO 950 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,800 is like a mimic, it's like becoming a ball like it's doing the shape 951 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,119 of a balloon to try to trick you. And they're filming what they're filming 952 01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:54,880 is not a balloon at all, even though it's got a big string and 953 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,760 even though it's got a picture of Spider Man on the balloon. They think 954 01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,840 it's a call. They call it a balloon mini make and they and they 955 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,960 call it sky yeah, sky anomaly, uh, variables and all this other 956 01:13:06,039 --> 01:13:10,319 words, nice words that they try to come up with to try to convince 957 01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:14,079 you that it's not just a regular balloon. I don't. I don't believe 958 01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:16,600 in any of that stuff. I got. I got VHS tapes full of 959 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,079 balloons that I've zoomed in on to see if it was UFO, and then 960 01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:25,880 I never would put it out there as a UFO, you know, So 961 01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:28,800 I don't. So you got large groups of these people out there that are 962 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:34,680 doing this is totally discrediting the entire video movement of uphology unless you videotape of 963 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:41,479 perfect sauce or shaped object or what everybody you know knows of as a flying 964 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,079 sauc or UFO shape and look. You know, if it doesn't have that 965 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:50,960 perfect UFO shape and look and it's got like an orb look or a balloon 966 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,039 look, then it's going to be labeled as a balloon or a piece of 967 01:13:56,119 --> 01:14:00,239 sky garbage because of all these people that are posting all this junk. So 968 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,600 yeah, yeah, no, I got it. And uh there is a 969 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:09,880 lot of things out there to muddy the water as well as uh CGI and 970 01:14:10,039 --> 01:14:15,239 you know, hoaxes, a real hoaxes. We're on Live with Jeff Willis 971 01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:19,800 if anyone wants to call in. That's six O three nine six seven four 972 01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:27,000 O three to zero. Speaking of hoaxes, there was one that went viral 973 01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:31,199 recently. I think it was called Team ten or something like that. Yeah, 974 01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:34,960 Secure Team Team ten. Yeah, yeah, these guys can. You 975 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:40,920 know, it's funny because you know, being in the UFOs for so long. 976 01:14:41,039 --> 01:14:43,119 You know, when I was a little kid, when I was like, 977 01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:45,600 like I said, when I was like seven years old, or I 978 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,640 got that book off the shelf, and one of the some of the pictures 979 01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:53,039 in that book when I was like in kindergarten in this and in the second 980 01:14:53,119 --> 01:14:56,399 grade, a couple of those different books that I had checked out from the 981 01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,840 library, they had those perfect beautiful pictures of flying saucers by Billy Meyer. 982 01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,439 Now, when you're looking at that as a six or seven year old kid, 983 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,439 you know, you're gonna believe that those pictures. Of course, they 984 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,000 were in the book, and they were claimed to be real. And of 985 01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:15,840 course that whole case and those pictures when they came out at the time that 986 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:23,239 whole case was being brought forward in print by the investigators that brought us the 987 01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:28,640 case, which were Lee Elders and Wendell Stevens, and of course the people 988 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,119 the person that was backing up the video to be real was none other than 989 01:15:32,199 --> 01:15:36,279 Jim Delatoso. Now, all these guys are great UFO researchers, and they're 990 01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:42,399 great video analysis and stuff. But we're talking nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy 991 01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,159 six, nineteen seventy seven. You know, I mean maybe they had the 992 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:49,760 wool pull over their eyes, you know, because because because now every time 993 01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:55,640 almost i'd say almost eighty percent of the time that one of those type of 994 01:15:56,079 --> 01:16:00,079 style, that grade of a picture or a video comes out, you know, 995 01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:04,600 it's only a few days later where it's where everybody's like crying hoax on 996 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:10,199 it, you know, like the Secure Team ten where they keep on putting 997 01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:15,840 out these perfect UFO images that everybody wants to believe, but no one can 998 01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,319 prove if it's real or fake because they're never going to give you the original 999 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,119 tape of course, so right there, you're never going to know if it's 1000 01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:27,720 real. And they always claim, oh, we got this footage from this 1001 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,720 person, and now we got that person on the line, or here's that 1002 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,760 person the conversation, so you don't know if this is the guy's brother or 1003 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:39,359 the guy across the street, or you don't know if they're giving a script 1004 01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,399 to read or any of this stuff. I mean. And then they never 1005 01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,720 come on to do an interview with a regular show or on television. They 1006 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,880 never come out to defend the video or whatever. So you know, it's 1007 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:57,119 like Secure Team and those other guys third face and there's a fac you know. 1008 01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:02,239 And so it's really bad because what if someone videotapes a real UFO on 1009 01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:06,399 their video camera and they go online because they don't know who to report it, 1010 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,199 and they go on YouTube and they see this Secure Team ten or this 1011 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,800 third Phase of the Moon guys, and they believe it and there they call 1012 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,359 them or email and they say, oh, I got something that's real. 1013 01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,880 You got to see this, and they give it to these guys. And 1014 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:24,439 now these guys are putting it out there as part of their fold of junk. 1015 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,399 And this one just, man, this one just happens to be real, 1016 01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:30,319 and of course they're not going to pass that up. They're gonna throw 1017 01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:32,720 it in with the mix of all the other stuff that they're either producing or 1018 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:38,359 faking or getting from the public that's either real or fake. And so that's 1019 01:17:38,399 --> 01:17:42,079 another thing. Somebody could be faking them out too, and they don't know. 1020 01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:45,880 They're they just put anything out there that looks good. If it doesn't 1021 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:46,720 look good, they're not going to put it out there. But if it 1022 01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,399 looks good, they're going to use it or put it out there. So 1023 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:55,239 that's the thing with those type of YouTube channels too. They don't put out 1024 01:17:55,279 --> 01:18:00,319 the maybes, you know, They put out what is considered the real thing, 1025 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,399 you know, and even if it's CGI or whatever, you know, 1026 01:18:03,119 --> 01:18:08,119 we don't know until we have the real tape. Yeah, I mean, 1027 01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,560 you know, another thing is that, you know, the lack of witnesses 1028 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:18,000 are real witnesses something like that one recently that went so viral. Uh, 1029 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:23,439 you know, they would it was so obvious in the sky for so long 1030 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:28,479 that I'm sure there would be multiple witnesses and you've heard of nothing, you 1031 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,479 know, right, And that was just to be an ohio, I believe 1032 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,079 or something like that, right, And that was the one with the cloud. 1033 01:18:34,399 --> 01:18:38,159 Was that with the cloud, it was kind of in the okay. 1034 01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:41,520 Yeah. Now, now there's a thing about that. Now you see a 1035 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,800 lot of most people never look up. Okay, so when when you have 1036 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,479 a sighting where there's only like one or two people, that's not too uncommon 1037 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,079 because of that, just that fact that people just don't look up in the 1038 01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:57,680 sky there when they're walking down the street or they're usually looking down, you 1039 01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,880 know, and so they don't look up. And then and if you are 1040 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,079 lucky enough to actually videotape something, you know, the way that that thing 1041 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:08,520 was like in the cloud or whatever, these things are never trying to like 1042 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,199 broadcast they're here. Yeah, And that the way that that thing was was 1043 01:19:12,279 --> 01:19:15,000 like just kind of like hanging in the cloud, like hoping that no one 1044 01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:17,319 can see it, you know, type of a thing. So it didn't 1045 01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:21,159 really if it is real, it looks like it was trying to camouflage itself. 1046 01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:26,159 So, uh, there's a there's someone in the uh one of the 1047 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:29,199 there's two different chat rooms here. One is on Skype and the other one 1048 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,479 is on the web our website. But someone wrote that because they were in 1049 01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:39,439 pursuit of the truth, asking the right questions to secure Team ten, they 1050 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:44,920 banned them right away from the YouTube channel. Something else. Well, well, 1051 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,720 you know they're going to do that because there's there's a lot of UFO 1052 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:53,880 websites out there that flat out call them hoaxers and have their videos on their 1053 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,880 site and say this, this is why these guys are fakers. As a 1054 01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,439 matter of fact, there's a website out there called ufotheater dot com that's dedicated 1055 01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:06,560 to exposing hoaxes. And this blew me away because back in two thousand and 1056 01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:13,880 six, I was contacted by a guy that ran a website called UFO Theater 1057 01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,239 dot com. It's the same website, but as a totally different owner. 1058 01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:20,520 Because back then, the guy that owned the site, pulled a hoax. 1059 01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:26,039 He pulled a hoax on me. And what he did was is he was 1060 01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:29,079 like, yeah, you're you know, you know, I'm going to come 1061 01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:30,960 out to Phoenix and I want to do a SkyWatch with you because you know, 1062 01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,399 you know, you're known for this stuff and famous for this stuff or 1063 01:20:34,399 --> 01:20:38,079 whatever. And so I was like, sure, you know, And so 1064 01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:41,239 I was kind of became friends with his website, and I had a banner 1065 01:20:41,279 --> 01:20:44,439 to his website, he had a banner to mine. And then the guy 1066 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,279 comes out here hes he lived in Texas by the way, so he was 1067 01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:50,439 saying, yeah, I'm planning a trip to Arizona to go skywatching with you, 1068 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:55,479 and so we became friends and so on, and then when he came 1069 01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,600 out to Phoenix, we did a short little SkyWatch. I dropped him off 1070 01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,880 of his hotel room with his girlfriend. And then the next day he called 1071 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,840 me and he goes, oh, you'll never believe what happened when you dropped 1072 01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,039 me off at my hotel. I got the most incredible UFO footage in the 1073 01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:13,359 world. And so I said, oh, really, we'll bring it over 1074 01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:15,640 to my house. I got to see this, and so the guy's name 1075 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:21,279 was Brian Bascent, and he come. He came to my house in the 1076 01:21:21,319 --> 01:21:25,800 morning and brought the video. I put it into my computer and washed it, 1077 01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,840 and it was the most amazing footage. There was this light that showed 1078 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,600 up over the mountain and then all of a sudden, or first it comes 1079 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:38,880 down from the sky and stops and then glows, and then another light comes 1080 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,359 down from the from the top, and then it kind of docks with that 1081 01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,119 light, and then another light comes down and docks with it another until it 1082 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:54,159 till like six lights full form this flower looking thing, and then it like 1083 01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:58,279 goes out, totally goes out, and I and I'm thinking in my head, 1084 01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:01,319 like the first thing I thought in my mind was this is this isn't 1085 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,920 the most incredible footage I've ever seen, And this looks real. This looks 1086 01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:12,039 like a real video. And so right away he had me going Plus I 1087 01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:15,560 apparently, you know, i'd been friends with him for a few months after 1088 01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:19,199 knowing the guy and trusting him because because his site had UFO videos all over 1089 01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:27,199 and I trusted the guy, you know, and so uh, my second 1090 01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:30,680 thoughts were, wait a minute, how does this guy come into town and 1091 01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:35,439 two days get the most incredible UFO footage in the state of Arizona. I 1092 01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,239 didn't. I was like, this can't be. There's something wrong with this. 1093 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,840 I mean, I want to believe it. I want to trust the 1094 01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,800 guy. But at the same time, my you know, my, my 1095 01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,800 brain's saying this isn't this is there's something wrong with his picture here. And 1096 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:55,479 so I knew what to do. Okay, we have Jim Delatoso in Phoenix, 1097 01:22:55,479 --> 01:23:00,199 Arizona, and the Arizona news channels. They have him in their in 1098 01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:02,399 their back pocket. They can use him whenever they want. So I told 1099 01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,399 him, you know what you need to do, Brian, you need to 1100 01:23:05,399 --> 01:23:09,800 take this tape. You need to go directly to Channel three, and you 1101 01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,359 need to put this on TV. And so I totally set him up. 1102 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,319 I had him go down there with the tape. I knew they were going 1103 01:23:15,399 --> 01:23:18,880 to pull Jim out of the woodwork, and they did. The first they 1104 01:23:19,399 --> 01:23:24,399 did the broadcast on his amazing footage with the guy and did an interview with 1105 01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:30,560 him, and then they sent him packing. And then they called in Jim 1106 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,199 to do a second follow up on the story to analyze the footage, and 1107 01:23:34,279 --> 01:23:40,760 Jim blew it apart and found out it was designed by a computer program. 1108 01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:44,520 And they called the guy in for the interview, the second interview, to 1109 01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,920 come together with Jim so Jim can confront him on the video being fake and 1110 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:53,800 all this stuff. And the guy never showed up. So they totally, 1111 01:23:54,199 --> 01:23:56,880 yeah, they totally took it apart as a hoax, and they and Jim 1112 01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,039 showed why it was a hoax on this computer and how it was generated, 1113 01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:03,319 how the lights were generated and stuff like by a computer program and all this. 1114 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,039 And so by this time it was blowing up on Coast to Coast a 1115 01:24:08,199 --> 01:24:13,680 m and on Jeff Wren's show, and the footage was already blown up because 1116 01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,880 of the first broadcast on the news as well as being on his website. 1117 01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:21,760 And then like later the second part comes out to it being a hoax, 1118 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,680 and then it really blew up. It went crazy. And so then he 1119 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,560 now he's mad at me because he knows I set him up to get you 1120 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,239 know, for us to find out what's going on here, and we found 1121 01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:36,319 out it was a hoax. So like a couple of weeks, about a 1122 01:24:36,319 --> 01:24:40,880 week later, he finally admits it. He does an expos on a site 1123 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,479 where he admits the whole thing as a hoax and why he did it. 1124 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,640 And then after that the website goes offline, it totally disappears. And then 1125 01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:53,239 a couple months later, you know, as checking the domain name, all 1126 01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:56,960 of a sudden the domain has parked and now it's owned by somebody else. 1127 01:24:57,039 --> 01:25:00,520 And then now we look at like ten years later, all of a sudden, 1128 01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,479 ten years later, the website comes back online, as you know, 1129 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:10,520 it comes back online UFO theater dot com. And now this website's dedicated to 1130 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:16,319 exposing hoaxes and they have a list of people that are hoaxing the Secure Team 1131 01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:23,359 ten h third Phase of the Moon. And this this guy that is running 1132 01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,920 the site. Now I'd like, when it first popped up, I was 1133 01:25:27,159 --> 01:25:29,520 really blown away. I was like, are you kidding me? Is this 1134 01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,520 guy back? And now he's going to dedicate his uphology to exposing hoaxes after 1135 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:38,439 he was the hoaxer. And it turned out that that wasn't the case. 1136 01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:42,199 It was turned out that this guy bought that domain knowing about the He knew 1137 01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:45,199 about the shady paths of the domain, and he was going to try to 1138 01:25:45,239 --> 01:25:50,159 make it good by by making this domain dedicated to just exposing hoaxes, and 1139 01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:54,479 so you know, I had a little chat with him and I was completely 1140 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,720 blown away. And that's when I learned that, Yeah, for third Phase 1141 01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,640 of the Moon and Secure Team ten, and there's a couple other ones on 1142 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:05,000 there that they claim our hoax and all these videos, you know, And 1143 01:26:05,039 --> 01:26:09,079 that's the sad part. It's like, what if some of these videos aren't 1144 01:26:09,079 --> 01:26:13,600 hoped because people see them on YouTube and send their real video to them. 1145 01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:18,079 Yeah, you know, that's that's so true. Now. What was his 1146 01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:24,279 statement of why he hoped that video before his website went down? Well, 1147 01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:30,399 his his his whole thing on his ex his EXO was that he posted about 1148 01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:38,720 why he did it was because he wanted to prove that Jeffrens his website, 1149 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:43,880 will post anything on UFOs without even knowing if it's real or not. So 1150 01:26:44,039 --> 01:26:48,399 his his whole thing was to attempt to try to discredit the Wren's website and 1151 01:26:49,119 --> 01:26:54,960 the Jeff Frowns show. That was his immediate goal. His other goal was 1152 01:26:55,000 --> 01:27:01,079 also to prove that when you buy UFO DVDs online that it could be all 1153 01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:03,800 fake and that you just wasted your money. And that was kind of a 1154 01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:08,680 shot at me because a lot of us that we're doing UFOs. At the 1155 01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:13,840 time, we were trying to come out with videotapes DVDs to sell with our 1156 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:18,439 real footage on it. So basically it was his way of trying to shoot 1157 01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:23,920 everybody's real footage down by saying, oh, you don't know what you're buying 1158 01:27:24,039 --> 01:27:27,640 now. Now you can't trust my footage, how can you trust anybody else's. 1159 01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,119 So now when you spend twenty bucks on a DVD, you may be 1160 01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:34,079 getting completely fake footage, you know. And so it seems like ever since 1161 01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:39,399 that case that our sales did go down too. And I don't want to 1162 01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:45,079 try to I don't want to give him credit for dropping DVD sales on UFOs 1163 01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:49,119 across the internet, on everybody's website, but it's almost like it's that happened 1164 01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:57,079 almost because his site got like worldwide national attention on rens and on coast to 1165 01:27:57,119 --> 01:27:59,479 coast a m at the time, and then all of a sudden it was 1166 01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,319 proved to be a fax, you know, and so you know, people 1167 01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:09,079 are wory about buying DVDs after that point. It seems like, yeah, 1168 01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:14,359 yeah, there's a question up on the message board, do you connect early 1169 01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:21,279 childhood experiences and your ability to have these sightings. Well, at first I 1170 01:28:21,399 --> 01:28:27,920 did, and now I mean in a way I do and I don't, 1171 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,800 because I think that if you've never had a UFO signing, or if you've 1172 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:36,560 never had a UFO like abduction or alien experience or whatever, if you've never 1173 01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,960 had either one of those, I believe that you can still go out in 1174 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:45,279 your backyard during the middle of the day and see these things up there if 1175 01:28:45,319 --> 01:28:48,079 you put the time in to look for them. Okay, and further in 1176 01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:55,439 that question, do you have any other paranormal or high high strangeness experiences? 1177 01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:02,520 Oh, yeah, one time I will. I'll just you know. The 1178 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:06,600 one that pops to the mind the most was I would say this was back 1179 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:15,680 in like twenty twelve. I think, yeah, twenty thirteen. I was. 1180 01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:20,199 It was about maybe like five in the afternoon and preseason football had just 1181 01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:25,640 started. So I was watching like the very first preseason football game of the 1182 01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,520 year, and I remember it's like Dallas. It's someone I can't really remember 1183 01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:33,560 who, but I remember Dallas, and so I was lying there watching it, 1184 01:29:34,279 --> 01:29:40,439 and for some reason I don't. It's weird because like when you're watching 1185 01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,640 a game or watching something on TV that you're interested in, and then all 1186 01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:48,079 of a sudden falls like go into like a half sleep state. Doesn't really 1187 01:29:48,319 --> 01:29:53,079 make sense to me, like why would I let myself drift off like that? 1188 01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,079 And so that was kind of weird. So like all of a sudden, 1189 01:29:56,159 --> 01:30:00,319 I'm in this half sleep half awake state, and all the next thing 1190 01:30:00,319 --> 01:30:04,920 I know, I'm completely paralyzed. I'm into that paralysis again and I can't 1191 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:12,560 move at all, and I am able to force my eyelids open. That's 1192 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,640 the only thing I can. The only muscle on my body is that I 1193 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,199 can move is my eyelids, so I'm able to open them. And everything's 1194 01:30:19,359 --> 01:30:24,680 fuzzy now because I'm in this state and I can't break out of it. 1195 01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,720 But I'm thinking in my head, well, I'm paralyzed and I can't break 1196 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,560 out of this, but I can. I just managed to open my eyelids 1197 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,720 and I can see. So I see the TV still on and the fuzzy 1198 01:30:34,079 --> 01:30:40,039 pictures on and you can't really make out the game because I'm in this state, 1199 01:30:40,119 --> 01:30:45,039 and all of a sudden, I see this what I the only way 1200 01:30:45,079 --> 01:30:50,760 I can describe it is like a U shaped like a woman's purse that is 1201 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:55,239 like U shaped, you know what I'm saying, like a U shaped purse, 1202 01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,399 a handbag. It looked like it was leather, like a like a 1203 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:06,159 leather texture, and it had like octopus tentacles all over it, all over 1204 01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:10,760 it. It was then they were flipping everywhere. It had like i'd say, 1205 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:16,720 like twenty octopus like tentacles maybe you know, twelve inches long, each 1206 01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,640 one of them, flipping all over the place like crazy. And it was 1207 01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:28,439 all attached to this U shaped thing. And this thing was hovering about I'd 1208 01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:32,760 say, this thing was literally hovering four feet from me, on to the 1209 01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:38,199 left of the side of the bed, and it was hovering right over a 1210 01:31:38,319 --> 01:31:43,159 case of all of my DVDs, all of my UFO footage that's been dumped 1211 01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:48,640 onto DVD storage and I have, like I have this this crate full of 1212 01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:55,039 DVDs in spools, you know, stacks of them in there. And this 1213 01:31:55,039 --> 01:32:01,000 thing was hovering right over that area. And I saw it like hovering over 1214 01:32:01,039 --> 01:32:05,680 it for probably it seemed like maybe three or four minutes, and then it 1215 01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:10,720 disappeared. And as soon as it disappeared, I was able to break free 1216 01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:15,840 of the prolysis and like blink my eyes a little bit and rub them and 1217 01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,760 look again and see did I just see what I thought I saw? And 1218 01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:24,439 feel how I just thought I felt, you know, right like that, 1219 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,279 you know, paralyzed. And then it was like it. You know, 1220 01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,840 when these things come into your presence or whatever they are, they have the 1221 01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:35,079 ability to turn you off or shut you off. And it's and that is 1222 01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:40,000 described in all the UFO literature, in all the abduction stuff as well. 1223 01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:45,760 So it's not just a sleep what the medical community would call just a sleep 1224 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:51,760 proalyss this where you've hallucinated this. This is not the case, you know, 1225 01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:56,560 sleep proalysis. That's a completely different thing. That's when you're in the 1226 01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:00,279 awake and a sleep state and you apparently you can't move or whatever, but 1227 01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:04,399 you're not gonna see these things. You're not going to be able to open 1228 01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:09,760 up your eyelids and see forms and figures and these things doing these weird things. 1229 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,399 That's, you know, your brain doesn't work like that. You know, 1230 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,439 I'm sorry, but it's not going to make up fake stuff just because 1231 01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:20,720 you're in a sleep. You're half in a sleep and half awake, and 1232 01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:27,680 it's you know what and what does what does Scientists and experts know about what 1233 01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:34,479 sleep prolysis is anyways, right, you know what I'm saying, right right. 1234 01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:40,279 One of the things that came to mind is when you're talking about the 1235 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:45,239 different objects that you see, how about orange gorbes? You hear about that 1236 01:33:45,319 --> 01:33:49,880 a lot. Oh yeah, yeah. A matter of fact, we had 1237 01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:55,479 a case of flap. We had what they call a UFO flap here between 1238 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,880 the year two thousand and the year two thousand and three, where we had 1239 01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,279 this red or orange orb that was showing up in the same time, same 1240 01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:11,159 area, and it was like videotaped by ten or twelve different people over a 1241 01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:14,439 three month period. And sometimes when it would show up, but there would 1242 01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:18,399 be two of them, like side by side, like not close enough to 1243 01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:23,840 where you would think that it was one object with two lights on the side, 1244 01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:28,359 but far enough away, like maybe half a mile in between the middle 1245 01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,920 of each of these two things, and they would travel together at a slow 1246 01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,840 speed. Now a lot of them. You know. The people thought, 1247 01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:41,079 oh, these are just Chinese lanterns, or it's a road flare tied to 1248 01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:45,319 a milear or something like that. But it wasn't that because when we zoom 1249 01:34:45,359 --> 01:34:51,560 in on high power, there was no smoke. There was no flickering like 1250 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:57,279 candle or flare type of flickering. It was like a solid glow, like 1251 01:34:57,319 --> 01:35:00,159 an orb like you're saying, like an orange or like a glow, you 1252 01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:03,279 know. And so this went on for like, you know, on and 1253 01:35:03,319 --> 01:35:06,520 off, like there was a good time period there for about a one the 1254 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:11,199 like the first summer it happened, this thing would show up maybe twice a 1255 01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:15,560 week. It was pretty it was pretty punctual on its I mean it was 1256 01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:18,920 pretty consistent. But then after that summer it dropped off, and then the 1257 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:24,319 next two years it would show up sporadically, like maybe once every three weeks 1258 01:35:24,399 --> 01:35:29,039 or something like that. So, yeah, Now when you're doing this SkyWatch, 1259 01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:31,760 do you always do it alone or sometimes do you have someone with you? 1260 01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,760 Well? I normally do it alone, unless we do a group outing 1261 01:35:36,279 --> 01:35:40,279 or if I have some people that want to come by and to you know, 1262 01:35:40,319 --> 01:35:44,000 do a SkyWatch with me. What about night vision? Do you ever 1263 01:35:44,039 --> 01:35:46,680 get into that? I know you said you filmed at night and it was 1264 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,439 kind of boring, but do you ever get into night vision as well? 1265 01:35:50,279 --> 01:35:54,000 Well? Yeah, I got it. I've gotten into night vision, but 1266 01:35:54,039 --> 01:35:58,960 I don't have the equipment. Basically, I have. I have a sony 1267 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,560 camera that has a night shot on it, which is totally which is totally 1268 01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:08,680 different, but it does illuminate, you know, it's pretty good for video, 1269 01:36:09,079 --> 01:36:16,479 you know, camera quality right right of all the footage that you've taken, 1270 01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,600 or I should say, everything that you've seen, is there something that 1271 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:26,399 stands out as the most remarkable. Well, yeah, there's a couple of 1272 01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,680 them. There's a couple of night pieces of footage. There's this one piece 1273 01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:33,319 of footage on my side that's labeled for twenty two thousand and six, and 1274 01:36:33,319 --> 01:36:39,079 that's when it was shot, you know, And so what happens with this 1275 01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:44,199 piece of footage was really weird. It starts out as like two lights, 1276 01:36:44,279 --> 01:36:50,079 two orbs at night, and they're just two like white orbs, like in 1277 01:36:50,079 --> 01:36:54,800 the distance. They don't look very far. It looks like within about a 1278 01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:59,600 mile away. And then you see these two orbs for about thirty seconds, 1279 01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,399 and then all of a sudden, one just kind of dims out where there's 1280 01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:05,760 only like one, and then that one gets kind of closer and closer and 1281 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:12,960 closer, and then all of a sudden you'll see like it shooting orbs out 1282 01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,600 of it, like like one at a time, and they're going and it's 1283 01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,720 not shooting them down, it's shooting them up out of the top of it. 1284 01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:24,079 And so these four or five lights that come out of it. It 1285 01:37:24,119 --> 01:37:28,800 turns into like a triangular shape. And then the top of where the trianglar 1286 01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:32,800 is turns red like flashes like it doesn't like flash red. It kind of 1287 01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,720 just gets like really bright red and then kind of dims down. And then 1288 01:37:38,199 --> 01:37:42,560 after seeing this for about a minute more, the whole thing just completely shuts 1289 01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:46,239 off. And so, yeah, it was that's a doozy, that one. 1290 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:50,640 And then there was another one that a piece of footage that I've shot 1291 01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:55,640 that's on a ton of different ve on a ton of different television programs. 1292 01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,960 Then I'm on and they always love to use it, and it's this one 1293 01:38:00,279 --> 01:38:08,359 was it was I think it was the May twelfth, two thousand and five, 1294 01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,479 I believe it is. Yeah, And what happens here is it's like 1295 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:17,119 a twilight shot and you've probably seen it. It was like a like almost 1296 01:38:17,239 --> 01:38:20,439 sunset and you'll see like all of a sudden, we're doing an interview. 1297 01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:24,840 Okay, this is the funny thing. We were We met with the guy 1298 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:30,960 that had been seeing some UFO UFOs in the area, and he actually shot 1299 01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,720 his own video of some UFO footage that you know, he's been having sightings 1300 01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:38,000 over and over for the last couple of months. And so we meet him 1301 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,680 at the mountain where he, you know, sees a lot of his footage, 1302 01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:45,880 and we're doing an interview and all of a sudden it shows up. 1303 01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:50,920 And the funny thing about it is is I already had the camera rolling because 1304 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:56,600 we were taping him talking on his interview. So like we had him on 1305 01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,439 one camera, we're shooting him on two different cameras because as we were, 1306 01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,640 you know, we wanted to get the different camera angles. And so I 1307 01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:08,760 at the moment that he's on the one camera and I have the other camera, 1308 01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:12,680 I don't have that one camera on him because the other camera was covering 1309 01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,279 him. I have it just over to the side just a little bit, 1310 01:39:16,199 --> 01:39:19,479 and so it's not he's not in the view. And all of a sudden, 1311 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:25,199 right in the middle of the screen of my camera that's already on record, 1312 01:39:25,279 --> 01:39:30,199 that's where when the ULFO shows up, right there right it just blinks 1313 01:39:30,199 --> 01:39:33,279 on right in the middle of my my camera frame. And and as I'm 1314 01:39:33,359 --> 01:39:38,960 looking I see it right away, and so like right off the bat, 1315 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,119 you hear me, I say, I got a serious the lights. I 1316 01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:43,199 got it, I got it, And so I zoom in on it, 1317 01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:49,279 and it's four lights. And what's weird, What what was bizarre is that 1318 01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:54,960 the light on the far right disappears, and then a new light appears on 1319 01:39:55,039 --> 01:39:59,880 the far left of the original three that were on the left hand s. 1320 01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,840 So this thing appears to be skipping across the sky. And now the new 1321 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:09,119 light that's on the right that took its place disappears, and then a new 1322 01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:12,840 light shows up on the left. And this happens like three or four times 1323 01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,800 on each light. So it's like skipping across the sky in like a weird 1324 01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:24,079 like ricochet skipping pattern deal. And it was really weird. And there was 1325 01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:32,760 a like a small, like thin cloud above these UFOs, and so we 1326 01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,399 would be able to tell if it was a flare of me and dropped from 1327 01:40:35,399 --> 01:40:40,520 an airplane, because there was no planes above them dropping anything. And so 1328 01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:44,680 all of a sudden, these lights disappear, and then like two seconds later 1329 01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,640 you'll see a light show up on the far left, maybe like a mile 1330 01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:51,800 away from the original sequence, within like one second, So it's almost like 1331 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:57,800 it hyper jumped, like after it disappeared, hyper jumped over here and it 1332 01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,439 shows up. So I got that all on one frame, and you're probably, 1333 01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,159 you know, are all on one catch, and I'm sure you're familiar 1334 01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:09,119 with that piece of footage that I don't know if you've seen it, but 1335 01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:11,800 I think so, yeah, yeah, it's it's a matter of fact, 1336 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,399 Okay. So after I shout the shoot the footage, I sent it to 1337 01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:19,239 Art Bell immediately that same that very next day or the same night, even 1338 01:41:19,279 --> 01:41:23,159 I don't know. I think it was the next day or whatever. It 1339 01:41:23,239 --> 01:41:25,880 may have been that same night, but I believe it was the next day. 1340 01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,479 I sent it emailed it to him, and Art called me right after 1341 01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,840 he got it, and I wasn't home, or I was home, but 1342 01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,279 I was in the other room, so I didn't hear the phone ring. 1343 01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:40,079 So the answer machine got it, and so I knew someone called, so 1344 01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:42,800 I was. I went out there and I pressed playing. I hear Art 1345 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,359 on the on the voicemail. He's saying, Saint Jeff, uh, this 1346 01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:50,920 is Art Bell calling you. Are you there? And then he's then he 1347 01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:57,600 says are you there? And then he says hello, Jeff hangs up and 1348 01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,119 I was like, oh gosh, and so uh that voice? Yeah? 1349 01:42:00,199 --> 01:42:03,239 Yeah. So I call him back and he's like, you ready to go 1350 01:42:03,279 --> 01:42:06,239 on the air with this, and I was like, yeah, of course, 1351 01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:13,880 and so it's cool. So after that, you know, show featured 1352 01:42:14,039 --> 01:42:17,239 that piece of footage, I got calls from Sci Fi Channel they wanted to 1353 01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:21,840 put me on Factor Factor Fake. So I was on the very first episode, 1354 01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:28,119 season one, episode one of Factor Faked, where yeah, so that's 1355 01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:31,239 where that yeah, And so that's one of the shows where you probably saw 1356 01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:34,960 that piece of footage. And what they even did was in that first season 1357 01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:42,239 of Factor Faked, they actually incorporated my piece of footage into the beginning sequence 1358 01:42:42,399 --> 01:42:45,159 of the opening of the show, like you'll see a bunch of different footage 1359 01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:49,159 and then you'll see mine there and you'll hear my voice, and so that 1360 01:42:49,279 --> 01:42:51,840 was kind of cool. And so what they did was is they tried to 1361 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:56,199 fake the footage to see if they can duplicate it, and it didn't work, 1362 01:42:57,039 --> 01:43:00,720 and so so then they tried another experiment where they try to fake it 1363 01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,880 and it didn't work. And so their third attempt was to have a nighttime 1364 01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:11,319 investigation and during that nighttime investigation. They had a UFO siding in the same 1365 01:43:11,359 --> 01:43:14,000 place where I had mine, so I kind of backed up my story. 1366 01:43:14,359 --> 01:43:17,159 And then on top of that, they took my voice, which I didn't 1367 01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:23,079 know they were going to do. They took an audio clip of my voice 1368 01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:28,079 when I was describing what I saw and my siding, and they took my 1369 01:43:28,199 --> 01:43:32,000 voice and they put it in a test which the Sheriff's department uses, which 1370 01:43:32,039 --> 01:43:39,359 is a voice test. It's a stress test analysis, and this will prove 1371 01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:43,840 whether you're a person's voice is telling the truth or their line or whatever. 1372 01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:47,399 And I passed on Flying Cols that my story was real, and so they 1373 01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:50,520 showed that at the end of the clip of the Factor Fix too. They 1374 01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:55,279 said, not only did we not war, we not able to duplicate what 1375 01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:59,319 he shot, but we had our own siding that night during our night investigation, 1376 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,520 and on top of that, our analysis on his story comes out conclusive 1377 01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:09,800 that he told the truth. I remember that whole episode, Yeah, I've 1378 01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,960 watched them all. Yeah. And so they also used the footage that same 1379 01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:18,239 clip. They used it on the opening of that movie Race to Witch Mountain 1380 01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:23,720 with the Rock and at the beginning of that movie raced which mountain. They 1381 01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,800 have a bunch of UFO clips at the very beginning of the movie, and 1382 01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:30,760 they sandwiched that one in with about five or six of other ones that I 1383 01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:36,000 had shot, So they basically licensed maybe five or six shots from me to 1384 01:44:36,079 --> 01:44:41,399 go into the opening sequence, sandwiched in with about fifty other clips that other 1385 01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:46,479 people shot. And that same clip was also used on another show that I 1386 01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:54,720 was on called it was called it was on. It was a sci fi 1387 01:44:54,840 --> 01:45:00,439 show and it featured the son of Gilligan from Gilligan's Island, the Sun of 1388 01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:05,039 Him. His name's Patrick Denver. And this show, this show was called 1389 01:45:05,399 --> 01:45:11,279 X Testers. I don't know if you're it only it was like four episodes 1390 01:45:11,319 --> 01:45:15,439 they they recorded. I think they did like eight episodes, but they like 1391 01:45:16,199 --> 01:45:19,279 they released the first four shows, and I guess it didn't get enough watches, 1392 01:45:19,319 --> 01:45:24,520 so the rest of the episodes were shelved or whatever. And this ran 1393 01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:28,319 on Discovery Channel, and so it was on that show, and then it 1394 01:45:28,399 --> 01:45:34,880 was also on Ancient Aliens showed a clip of it and a few other shows. 1395 01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:40,720 I think best evidence caught on tape the Bob Kveat special that it was 1396 01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,600 on that show as well and so yeah, it's been on a ton of 1397 01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:49,039 different show. Yeah. Shane has a couple of questions on the message board 1398 01:45:49,359 --> 01:45:57,079 for you. Do you ever capture things that you would consider might be military 1399 01:45:57,119 --> 01:46:00,760 technology? Yeah, yeah, all the time. A lot of the ones. 1400 01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:04,479 Well, see that's the thing is a lot of times when you videotape, 1401 01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:09,680 what you think is like, you know, those hockey puck shaped UFOs 1402 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,840 or the round orb ones, the daylight ones, like a lot of the 1403 01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:23,399 metallic, a lot of the metallic high altitude stuff that falls into that category, 1404 01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,720 like hockey puck shape or orb shaped that's up there. A lot of 1405 01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:30,479 that could fall into that category as some type of a military probe or a 1406 01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:36,640 military vehicle, secret project or something, because you know, when it's that 1407 01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:41,119 high up, you can't really tell how big it is, and the alls 1408 01:46:41,159 --> 01:46:45,560 you really have is like an estimation of like you think to yourself, like, 1409 01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:48,319 you know, if I parked in a parking lot and I walked a 1410 01:46:48,359 --> 01:46:53,960 couple like five hundred feet away from my car and look at it, it's 1411 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,079 gonna be tiny. It's gonna be you can like take your two fingers and 1412 01:46:57,159 --> 01:47:00,520 like kind of put it in between them and kind of measure it that way, 1413 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,680 and you have to do the same thing with something way way high up 1414 01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,159 in the sky, you know, like a like a seven forty seven or 1415 01:47:05,159 --> 01:47:08,239 a plane. It's going to look tiny up there, but when you're standing 1416 01:47:08,319 --> 01:47:10,560 right next to it at the airport's huge. So you've got to kind of 1417 01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:14,960 figure out the you know, dimensions of these things. And it could be 1418 01:47:15,039 --> 01:47:18,800 hard when they're so high, but that's how you rule out that it can't 1419 01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:25,039 be a balloon or a you know, a cotton ball or something high up 1420 01:47:25,039 --> 01:47:28,199 there, because if it's that high, you're not going to be able to 1421 01:47:28,199 --> 01:47:30,439 see a tiny you know, something that small. You know, it's going 1422 01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:33,680 to be like a little pin dot up there compared to these other things that 1423 01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:38,600 are bigger. So this thing has to be the size of a suburban or 1424 01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:42,880 three cars put together or something like that. You know, So anything in 1425 01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,119 that range that's bigger that you would conceive if when you're looking at it, 1426 01:47:46,199 --> 01:47:50,039 is this thing is bigger than a balloon, you know, anything like that 1427 01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:55,159 could be. You know, it's fair game for military you know, secret 1428 01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:59,960 projects or extraterrestrial UFO. You know, you really don't know, I mean 1429 01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:01,880 us the thing lands and people get out and this you know, our aliens 1430 01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,279 get out or whatever. That's the only way you're gonna ever know. Now. 1431 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:13,199 Shane also asked if you ever considered streaming your skywatching. I wonder if 1432 01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:17,319 you could do that, but it seems like that there's so much downtime that 1433 01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:21,279 you can't. Well, we did, we have done it, and we 1434 01:48:21,359 --> 01:48:28,119 did do it, but you know, and you're right, it's it is. 1435 01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:30,640 There is a little a lot of time downtime. But that during the 1436 01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:34,880 point that we were doing it, it was during that flap that that you 1437 01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,760 know, the UFO was you know, coming like two or three times a 1438 01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:43,319 week, so we knew between seven thirty at nine o'clock, this thing's going 1439 01:48:43,399 --> 01:48:45,399 to show up three days out of the week. You know, this thing 1440 01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:49,319 was very consistent. So that's when we were doing our lives casts. And 1441 01:48:50,039 --> 01:48:53,960 you know, as soon as the flap stopped, we stopped doing the sky 1442 01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:59,000 watches because it's like you said, it's just you know, just it'd be 1443 01:48:59,079 --> 01:49:01,720 just like staring in looking at you know, for hours at nothing until finally 1444 01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:06,000 something showed up. So in place of that doing live skywatchers. Now we'll 1445 01:49:06,039 --> 01:49:10,720 do the live skywatchers again if we run into another flap where the thing's coming 1446 01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:13,560 back over and over and over. We'll try to get it live. But 1447 01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:17,000 see what we've done instead of that is, if you go to Ufosorphoenix dot 1448 01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:21,760 com, my website, you'll see SkyWatch cameras that are live that are there. 1449 01:49:23,399 --> 01:49:29,039 And these are these are cameras that are set up around Phoenix that are 1450 01:49:29,079 --> 01:49:32,239 broadcasting live. And I've just put the direct links on my website. So 1451 01:49:32,279 --> 01:49:35,279 if you click at the camera, box will open up and you'll get to 1452 01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:42,680 see a live video of four or five different cams around Phoenix. And so 1453 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,520 they're they're they're connected with other websites, but we put them on our website 1454 01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,239 so you don't have to go to the other website to open them. You 1455 01:49:48,319 --> 01:49:51,199 just click the camera. It opens right on our website like it's our own 1456 01:49:51,239 --> 01:49:56,119 cameras all over they all over the valley, you know. And so and 1457 01:49:56,319 --> 01:50:00,960 you know, that's what we've done for live skywatching cameras that we is We've 1458 01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:05,800 put some some mountain cameras up there from Phoenix, different Phoenix live sources. 1459 01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:11,039 Uh huh. I see. Now, have you ever thought about using any 1460 01:50:11,079 --> 01:50:18,239 other type of equipment along in concert with the video in other words, some 1461 01:50:18,279 --> 01:50:23,840 type of detection or anything like that. Well, yeah, I mean, 1462 01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:28,279 you know, I've thought about it a lot, but you know, you 1463 01:50:28,319 --> 01:50:30,319 know, we don't really you know, we don't even have the money really 1464 01:50:30,319 --> 01:50:34,680 to get night vision, you know, really, so we're running on uh, 1465 01:50:35,079 --> 01:50:39,039 you know, a shoe string budget. And like on our website, 1466 01:50:39,039 --> 01:50:43,279 we have you know, we have a donate button there for people that want 1467 01:50:43,319 --> 01:50:45,239 to help us, you know, to donate money to help us keep our 1468 01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:50,159 our footage on the line. Our website's going, and all of our you 1469 01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:54,880 know, hosting paid for, and like I was telling you before, we 1470 01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:59,359 had our movie streams up there live that people can like watch them. But 1471 01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,680 we did get enough for that, enough watches to keep it on, you 1472 01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:06,119 know, to keep it hosted. But instead we have our DVDs on there 1473 01:51:06,119 --> 01:51:11,279 where if you buy a DVD, they're you know, they're they're like twenty 1474 01:51:11,319 --> 01:51:15,159 bucks. If you buy one, you'll get the DVD and it only costs 1475 01:51:15,279 --> 01:51:16,960 you know, probably like you know, three dollars to ship it, and 1476 01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:21,079 then it cost me probably another five bucks to make it. So whatever profit 1477 01:51:21,159 --> 01:51:27,239 I have leftover goes to hosting, or goes to new equipment, or to 1478 01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,399 you know, I have a cam. I have a high eight camera that 1479 01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:32,760 still takes high eight tapes. You know, I have the old one, 1480 01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:36,560 and then I have a brand new camera that is a hard drive camera, 1481 01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:42,119 so it captures everything on the camera's memory like a computer, and then you 1482 01:51:42,119 --> 01:51:44,720 can dump it on your computer later. So I have the best of the 1483 01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,239 new stuff and I have the best of the old stuff. But you know, 1484 01:51:47,399 --> 01:51:51,720 I, you know, I'd love to get some night vision telescopes, 1485 01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:57,439 you know, and night vision cameras and night vision stuff. And you know, 1486 01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,720 you know, if I had a bunch of money, I would be 1487 01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,520 able to dump more money into it. And you know, they have these 1488 01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:09,720 UFO detective detectors and stuff like, they have all sorts of strange stuff on 1489 01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:15,199 the internet. Now, yeah, there's actually some some people really looking deeply 1490 01:52:15,319 --> 01:52:19,079 into doing that. We had to talk last week about that. Someone posted 1491 01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:26,640 on the Skype message board that if you watch eBay you can pick up some 1492 01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:30,680 night vision as low as two hundred dollars if you keep your eye on eBay. 1493 01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:34,760 Someone else on the other message board wants to know, is this a 1494 01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:38,960 full time thing you do or do you actually have a job where you work? 1495 01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:43,319 And then you do this like as a passion hobby type thing. Yeah, 1496 01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,399 I do it. You know, I have a job I have to 1497 01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:48,239 keep. You know, I have like a like a part time job, 1498 01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,720 you know, it pays some of the bills and stuff. And then I 1499 01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:57,920 I do this. You know, I would say this is kind of like 1500 01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:00,359 a part time job in itself. You know, I could make it full 1501 01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:03,279 time. You know, I could spend more time, uh, you know, 1502 01:53:03,399 --> 01:53:08,479 uploading more videos, making the website you know better. You know, 1503 01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:14,039 I could spend like eight hours a day on the websites alone, you know, 1504 01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:17,880 at making them better and putting more stuff on there and managing them and 1505 01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:21,159 stuff like that. But I just don't have the time. So I have 1506 01:53:21,159 --> 01:53:25,840 have to, you know, dedicate you know, a couple hours a week 1507 01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:29,680 doing the websites and a few hours a week doing sky watching and then a 1508 01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:33,279 few hours you know, you have Facebook feeds where you have to upload stuff 1509 01:53:33,319 --> 01:53:36,760 too, and all this other stuff. So it becomes a full time job, 1510 01:53:38,319 --> 01:53:42,960 you know, right right, Yeah, And we talked earlier before the 1511 01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,640 show, just for a couple of minutes, and this is not the type 1512 01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:47,880 of field you want to get into if you want to make a lot of 1513 01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:50,680 money, right, And that's why I'm saying that. I mean, if 1514 01:53:51,079 --> 01:53:55,760 everybody listening, like like you were saying, like UFO people don't like to 1515 01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:59,640 spend money on on UFO stuff, you know, or they don't like to 1516 01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:01,560 spend a lot of money, so you know, and I know that, 1517 01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:05,840 and I you know, if you love UFOs and you want to keep seeing 1518 01:54:06,199 --> 01:54:10,359 us, put them on our website, and you want to do something to 1519 01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,840 help the field out, you know, I'd say, everybody listening, you 1520 01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:15,960 know, I mean, if you can just at least like just donate like 1521 01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:19,000 a dollar to us, like you know, I mean, that would if 1522 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:23,359 and people don't look at it, Oh you know, if I donate a 1523 01:54:23,399 --> 01:54:25,920 dollar, it's not going to do anything. Yeah, But like if two 1524 01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:29,600 or three hundred people just donated a dollar, we would have the money to 1525 01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:33,159 reactivate our movie streams and put them back up. We would be able to 1526 01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:36,520 pay for all of our hosting. We would be able to go buy a 1527 01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:41,279 night vision camera. Because see, at the at the end of the month, 1528 01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,399 all of them, my money is going to have to go to paying 1529 01:54:44,399 --> 01:54:47,159 my rent and keeping the electricity on and paying the water bilon stuff like that. 1530 01:54:47,319 --> 01:54:50,119 After that, we don't have money for UFOs. So you know, 1531 01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:55,399 if you can donate a buck, then we might have money at the end 1532 01:54:55,399 --> 01:54:58,319 of the month. Well, we'd at least have money to reactivate our movie 1533 01:54:58,319 --> 01:55:00,880 streams and put them out there. Because right now all of the video footage 1534 01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:04,319 of UFOs on my website. You can download it or you can see it 1535 01:55:04,359 --> 01:55:10,239 on YouTube. But we actually had our we have like five DVD movies that 1536 01:55:10,279 --> 01:55:13,119 we sell for twenty bucks each, and we actually had all of those movies 1537 01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:15,880 on our website where you can watch them for only a dollar. You didn't 1538 01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,800 have to spend twenty bucks to get the DVD. You can just go on 1539 01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:21,239 there and watch it for a dollar. But we didn't have enough people doing 1540 01:55:21,319 --> 01:55:26,039 it and to host all those movies that cost forty bucks a month, and 1541 01:55:26,119 --> 01:55:30,720 we weren't even getting forty people to watch them to pay for it, you 1542 01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:33,479 know. And so you know, we could just get one person to donate 1543 01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:38,199 the forty bucks and then we would reactivate them for everybody else, you know. 1544 01:55:38,279 --> 01:55:41,159 So there's a lot of different ways that could work. But if everybody 1545 01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:44,640 would just you know, you know, like you said, can put you 1546 01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:47,600 know, just a buck you know at their favorite you know, their favorite 1547 01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:51,960 people and UFOs and you know, everybody's got a donation button on their website, 1548 01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:56,560 you know, so you know, everybody can help everybody, y, 1549 01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,960 you know, just we only have a couple of minutes left, just two 1550 01:56:00,039 --> 01:56:04,680 minutes left or so. But I one of the things that comes to mind. 1551 01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:13,000 We were talking earlier about Billy Meyer and people like Billy Meyer Third Phase 1552 01:56:13,039 --> 01:56:19,600 of the Moon Secure Team ten all that they're in it for the money obviously, 1553 01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:25,760 and you can't force UFOs. In other words, they it's a fleeting 1554 01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:30,479 thing. It's nothing you can captivate to make money on, and I think 1555 01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:35,840 people just get frustrated with it and decide that they're going to hoax who try 1556 01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:42,479 to make money. There's a girl named Shila Aliens can't Sheila Alan I think 1557 01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:47,680 her name is, and she she was on my show and she confronted. 1558 01:56:48,079 --> 01:56:54,800 She was verbally confronting and interviewing. I can't remember the name of the two 1559 01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:59,279 brothers on Third Phase of the Moon. Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with 1560 01:56:59,279 --> 01:57:00,439 her. I've been on a show. I've been on a couple of shows 1561 01:57:00,479 --> 01:57:03,800 with Sheila as well. Okay, well she you know, basically, I 1562 01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:08,479 think she told me that they were making several thousand dollars a month by those 1563 01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:12,119 with those fake videos. So ye, and I saw the interview where she 1564 01:57:12,279 --> 01:57:16,880 confronted those two brothers cousins or whatever their name or third phase of the mood. 1565 01:57:17,399 --> 01:57:20,600 And what they do, how they make the money is you know where 1566 01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:26,199 they got that fake UFO video on there, and then they put those adcent 1567 01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:30,720 banner ads on there from you from YouTube, you know, and then after 1568 01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,640 like a million people watch it, you know that, you know, that 1569 01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:39,640 ad pops up a million times and that puts adsent money into the account. 1570 01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:43,520 And we use absents on our videos too, but our videos are real, 1571 01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:47,640 you know, and we're just trying to make to recoup the money that's that 1572 01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:51,960 we lose on hosting every month to try to recoup it. And you know, 1573 01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:56,680 it's funny because you know, I got to tell you we're out of 1574 01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,640 time. I hate to tell you, oh so real quick, throw your 1575 01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:02,600 your website out there, if you would. Yeah, it's ufosover Phoenix dot 1576 01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:08,880 com. And we got ufosover Phoenix dot net and we have another website called 1577 01:58:09,039 --> 01:58:13,960 UFO Footage dot Net. All right, Jeff, thanks so much, absolutely 1578 01:58:14,039 --> 01:58:16,760 great, it's been great, and thanks so hopefully get me on again sometime. 1579 01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:19,239 I'll be happy to come on. All right, excellent, thanks a 1580 01:58:19,239 --> 01:58:25,680 lot, Okay everyone, so thank you for listening, and we'll be on 1581 01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:29,520 next week. And I don't have the guests secured, so I'm not going 1582 01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:31,319 to announce who it is, but we'll see you here next week. And 1583 01:58:31,359 --> 01:58:33,760 I want to thank everyone that helps out with the show. Thank you over 1584 01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:39,239 at PSN Radio as well, and we'll see you next week. Keep your 1585 01:58:39,279 --> 01:58:57,960 rise to the sky.