1 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:21,719 What is krack Alakin fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am DAPA Valley coming at 2 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:27,239 you as always with my certified fan casuist co host mister Grant Hughes. We 3 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,440 are onto our final division off season outlook, which hopefully did not get blown 4 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:35,240 up before we published it. It is the Central Division. Before we get 5 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,520 started at usual reminders, please please pretty please remember too. Subscribe to us 6 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,079 wherever you can sue us. We are on all platforms including YouTube, hit 7 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:47,079 Subscribe, like, comment, help the algorithmist back, and on all your 8 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:52,200 regular podcast platforms Spotify, Apple of the Whole nine ratings in reviews on Apple 9 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,359 Podcast. 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Speak 27 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,439 yourself. He's got a cup, I've got a sweatshirt, Go buy it. 28 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:05,159 It's it's so it's so spectacular, it's so thermonuclear af Grant, how 29 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:08,599 the heck are you? I'm doing really well. I'm glad you specified that 30 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,960 we don't just wear the same clothes every day. That's that's helpful because otherwise 31 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,520 people might not know. Can I ask also if we discussed what and maybe 32 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:23,080 we have what the process is for getting startup sort being fantabulous. Is there 33 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:30,599 is there a panel so you have to go before like a triumvirts like you 34 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:36,400 have to do feats of strength. You're actually under review because holding on to 35 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:39,879 your point coin eighty two tickets rather than selling them. Well, I think 36 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:43,919 it's good to have checks because you don't want to just like you don't want 37 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,080 to have tenure in your certification. You need to like consistently prove that you 38 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,520 warrant that certification. So I am I welcome that, and I wonder if 39 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,719 I should probably put myself in review sauce I'm the only one who basically says 40 00:02:54,719 --> 00:03:00,800 certified fantabulous and coined it that someone you're in need to review me at some 41 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,319 point because I can't just be some time the origin point of it. That 42 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,319 doesn't mean that I can just stay. Yeah, we need someone to watch 43 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:10,400 the watchers on this one. Where does the lip ring? What does the 44 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:15,120 lip ring do? Because our YouTube commenters and TikTok or seem very offended by 45 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:20,039 it. There he some variation of but he has a lip ring? Or 46 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:23,840 why would I get b ball opinions from with a whippring is right up there 47 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:27,199 with you don't watch Team Max games now for us, and you know what, 48 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,919 that's kind of a point of pride yea for me. Well, it's 49 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,159 worse than that because it's like, well, I mean, he has a 50 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:40,400 lip ring, so clearly he can't analyze drop coverage like that's the connection being 51 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,639 made as opposed to he didn't watch the game, so we can't analyze drop 52 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:47,400 coverage. That at least like makes sense. It's wrong because you do watch 53 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:52,879 them. But yeah, that's that's a that's we've been there's there's is that 54 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,759 an invention of a new logical fallacy? It kind of feels close to that. 55 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,319 I have no idea. But my favorite one recently because it happened just 56 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,719 yesterday. So that's why my favorite one is someone said, why would someone 57 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:05,919 with any sports knowledge listen to a dude with a lip piercing You all might 58 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,680 attract some goofball, So I said, why are you? So I decided 59 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,080 to respond, I said, why are you so offended by it? And 60 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,879 they said, I'm not offended. It's just a side of a man that's 61 00:04:14,919 --> 00:04:17,360 lost. I'm helping you not burn for all eternity. Oh wow, what 62 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:20,560 a hard pivot. That's exciting. I didn't know that's where it was going. 63 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:24,199 I didn't respond. It was because honestly impressed. I was like, 64 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:27,079 if you feel that strongly about it, Like, yeah, I don't feel 65 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:30,040 that strongly about anything. I envy this guy, Like that's a that's impressed. 66 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,240 Wow, So you're damned, I guess, sorry to hear it. 67 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:38,040 You know who's not damned? The first team in the Central Division that you're 68 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,360 going to take us through. How's that per segue? Well, they kind 69 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,199 of are. But so this is the Chicago Bulls, assuming we have the 70 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,959 alphabet right. Oh yeah, wow, I was in my head. Was 71 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,680 cool. You didn't have it right? You have the alphabet wrong? Yeah, 72 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,920 it was me last time. Now to you, ye Alham. It's 73 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:58,480 so hard. It's so hard, and you learn it early and then you 74 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,800 use it all the time and you forget. But I'm gonna start with Chicago 75 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:06,040 because cch comes before cl and all the other letter combinations in here. I 76 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,360 guess that's so great. This is all organic. These alphabet mistakes are so 77 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:15,519 real everyone that actually it's a little concern name. It's a little concerning I 78 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,319 can't listen to you. The guy doesn't know the alphabet because he has a 79 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,680 lippering. That's the problem. Yeah, that's what. And and also because 80 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,040 I have a lippering, I forgot to mention for anyone who hasn't listened to 81 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,480 these before, I will be setting an alarm in the background to keep things 82 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:30,600 moving. So dot, don't be alarmed when you're the alarm. How's that 83 00:05:30,959 --> 00:05:36,279 best lippering humor? Right there? Do not endorse key free agents for the 84 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:42,639 Chicago Bulls. Nikola Vukovich. I would assume move is restricted. Kobe White 85 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,519 also restricted. UH. Derrick Jones junior does say Colby Kobe White. If 86 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,319 you put it, jeez you and you're spelling Derrick Jones junior. Andre Drummond 87 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:54,680 has a player option. Patrick Beverly is also a free agent. Patrick Williams 88 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:01,160 interesting extension candidate, pretty hard to hard to evaluate UH rookie year and subsequent 89 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:06,639 seasons, but eligible for an extension. Nonetheless, the Bulls cap situation is 90 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:13,040 basically that they should have the full mid level exception to spend. They don't 91 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,639 have any trade exceptions, so h we do need to have a macro discussion 92 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,240 about this team's overall direction. But probably first we should hit their needs. 93 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:27,160 Assuming they don't do a you know, a overhaul blow up, what a 94 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,360 tear down, whatever you want to call it, which, uh, spoiler 95 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,839 alert, I will just endorse, but what what what do you say in 96 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:40,879 the view rating drops video? Assuming assuming they don't trade zach Lavine, Demarduroz 97 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,199 and blah blah blah. So I've had a lot of bulls. Fans said 98 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:46,439 that they need a real point guard, and I disagree. I think if 99 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:53,199 you had more shooting on this team, it would offset whatever inclination you have 100 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,800 to get up like you have Demorro Rosen, you have zach Lavine, you 101 00:06:56,879 --> 00:07:00,240 have like Alex Cruzoe. I would assume movie you won't have Lonzo ball. 102 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,600 That's really unfortunately he's expected to miss all of next season. I really hope 103 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,279 that we get to see him play basketball again, because that absolutely sucks. 104 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:11,480 I would prioritize shooting, and can you upgrade the front line rotating like there's 105 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,879 also a team that could use some more true wings. It could use an 106 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:16,519 upgrade at center from the Kolavuchevitch, but I don't really know. They might 107 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,680 he might have them in the bird rights trap just because who are you going 108 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:24,879 to sign with the mid level exception that's better than the koalavouch Witch who had 109 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:30,000 a solid year for them. It's over. The path is to continue trying 110 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,040 to contend in the Eastern Conference. I think their biggest moves will happen via 111 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:35,959 trade, if they happen at all. But I think you have to resign 112 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:41,519 Vouch and that it's can we acquire, Like I really like Max Struce for 113 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,319 this team, or maybe even a Josh Richardson, just like a wing type 114 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,439 who can shoot. Max Drews is a better fit in terms of volume with 115 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,079 just like off ball motion of the difficulty on his three pointers. That's the 116 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:56,480 route. If they're gonna go to continue to try and win around this core 117 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,959 route, I think they need to prioritize shooting, probably more in addition to 118 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,879 I guess talent retention. Yeah, I guess I think that's right. But 119 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,839 yeah, just the idea that like, really, you know, de Rosen 120 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,920 and Levin are both better on the ball, certainly derosen than off so I 121 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,120 think the theory of the team. You know, when Lonzo was healthy, 122 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,040 it made perfect sense. He's a connector like Alex Caruso is not a you 123 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,399 know, gonna skick and roll point guard either. It's just you got you 124 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:30,079 have your your offensive you know, maybe the term is like offensive initiators as 125 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,679 opposed to point guard. Do you sort of have that and then certainly you 126 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,120 have that if you bring White back or just soon we're both seems unlikely, 127 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:41,639 but yeah, so I want to do the macro question here real quick before 128 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:46,879 our timer dings at us. Do you bring Vouchovitch back? If so, 129 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,519 for how much do you entertain trading levine? Like what are your what are 130 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,759 your tear down or tear down adjacent thoughts? Because my position is kind of 131 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:56,759 for a while been like this team is you know, not Wizards level, 132 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:00,759 but they're just kind of chasing mediocrity. They gave up all these picks in 133 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:03,639 the Orlando trade, which finally that that thing's complete. Now all those picks 134 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:07,720 have conveyed and just you know, the longer we get the further we get 135 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,759 away from it, the worse it looks. So my my inclination would be 136 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:18,120 to make some wholesale changes and start over. Do you subscribe to that like 137 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:22,399 in total in part where what are your thoughts macro on the Bulls. I 138 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:24,679 wouldn't subscribe to it in total, I think, and I also believe, 139 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:28,440 and I think a lot of Bulls fans are on that train, like it 140 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,919 seems from just like what I've seen them say that they're all in if this 141 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,759 organization would actually rebuild, and unless there's a deal out there, which is 142 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:41,240 really tough to build, because you do owe that twenty twenty five pick to 143 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,559 San Antonio that it's top ten protected, but it leaks out a little bit, 144 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,679 so it makes pulling off your own big trade really difficult. Unless someone's 145 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:54,159 ridiculously high on Patrick Williams and that Blazer's pick that is protected through twenty twenty 146 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:58,200 eight coming to you, I think you get a lot. I don't know 147 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,679 what you get for Demarduroz and going to the fun a year of his deal. 148 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:03,960 That's really tough. And I think you get a good amount for Zach 149 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:07,360 Lavine, though I think people have overblown the state of his contract. Even 150 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,559 in this new CBA climate, you're not gonna get like this Bradley Beal esque 151 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,639 return in part he doesn't never no trade clause. He's also a player that 152 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,399 I think would be more open to more. It's not he doesn't have the 153 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,360 connection to the organization that Damian Lillard does. To Portland, we're gonna say, 154 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,000 well, we're gonna send you where you want to go. They would 155 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:28,960 work with the player, I'm sure, but you could send him to more 156 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,320 destinations and I think get I don't think you're gonna get a Donovan Mitchell Rudy 157 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,480 Gobert type Paul but again also takes his one team. You might get the 158 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:41,120 equivalent of three four first round picks or prospects, and that's a good launching 159 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,600 point for your rebuild. I think you could get a first round pick for 160 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:48,200 Alex Caruso. What is interesting is as part of any tear, I think 161 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,519 could you get at least a first round pick for Demarta Rozen. I don't 162 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,600 need to, He's been on real for them the past two years. But 163 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,759 like, are the bank on knowing his age, his specific it and like 164 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,039 you, if you're the Bulls that you want to win, or if you're 165 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,200 another team and you want that version of damartar Ocean, you're just banking on 166 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:11,399 bonkers shot making in high leverage situations where you're almost waiting for him to fall 167 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,519 off. Yeah, he's a very specific fit that you have to have the 168 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:18,480 right type of players around I think to make sense. But as like an 169 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,960 expiring that you could just come for you, I'm struggling to think of the 170 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,440 team that, like a really good team that needs offense, because chances are 171 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,360 you're not going to become a really good team if you just don't have, 172 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,120 you know, a bunch of ways to score. But yeah, later give 173 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,960 up their pick and like take him into cap space or maybe you work it. 174 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:41,440 They could do the Bob but Beasley thing for Damarta Rosen. Yeah, 175 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,960 I don't hate it because well they're a perfect example of it. Their defense 176 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,480 was great and then they struggled to score all season and in the playoffs even 177 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,200 after they remade the roster. So yeah, that's that's a fit in the 178 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,519 LA thing if you want to factor that into I think he's absolutely worth a 179 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,279 first. It just it's going to take he's worth a first to the right 180 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,159 team. I don't but the quote unquote right team is probably limited to like 181 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,480 eight or ten teen have a team, let me hear. I don't know 182 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:09,159 if anyone's talked about you could build it. It would probably take two contracts, 183 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:09,919 one of which you know right off the bat, and then you have 184 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:16,519 to figure it out for there, Boston needs another ball handler. The theory 185 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:22,240 is he he prevents those bogged down possessions where the ball swings around and they 186 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,919 generate nothing. Basically, But if you're this side of the Christos Porzingk, 187 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:28,919 he's a trade out thing. Yeah, but yeah, how much, I 188 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:33,159 mean, how much you give if it's brogged in plus salary plus den okay, 189 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,799 the asset. What does Chicago want for it? That's interesting. I 190 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,720 would not have thought of Boston. But I mean, look, the problem 191 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,000 with the Porzingis trade is it did not address the team's problem. Also, 192 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:48,440 Derozen's a pretty good passer too, like Pas. It's not just he's gonna 193 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,200 get you the sixteen footer, it's he's gonna get into his space and then 194 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,399 find somebody. Maybe yeah, I think he does. The Porzingis trade did 195 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,840 not address that deficiency in Boston's offense. I think a DeRozan move would. 196 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:01,639 That's just like I had never thought of that. I don't know how to 197 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:05,440 wrap my head around that one yet. But that's that's pretty interesting. That's 198 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,279 that's why that's why you get paid the big bucks. I think I don't 199 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,519 yet. The big Bucks. Sorry, I don't think the Bulls would they 200 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:15,679 saddle themselves with the health risk of Okay, we're already paying Lonzo and out 201 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,480 Rodin's playing, but like the Clippers refuse that trade. That's just a team 202 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:20,840 Like I think there are teams out there that would give you a first for 203 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,720 So my point was what gets interesting is if you're tearing it down, are 204 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:30,480 you keeping and moving Patrick Williams? So extension eligibility? Yeah, follow up 205 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:33,919 question, what's he what's the number for him? Because that that informs whether 206 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:37,879 you're keeping it just some of the So let's oh man, we're already through 207 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,360 the Bulls real quick? Is Patrick Williams he's been disappointing? Is that fair 208 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:45,000 to say? As you know, a number four pick like he hasn't? 209 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,039 I just someone feels buried in the offensive pecking order though, So I just 210 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:52,039 don't know. If he's been and there was the injuries at the start, 211 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,399 I would say he has failed to meet expectation. Yes, is a fair 212 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:00,519 way to put it. And yet, career forty one point four sent three 213 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,840 point shooter, not a ton of volume, but two point six attempts per 214 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,320 game. He's played one hundred and seventy games, Like, that's not nothing 215 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,840 can defend. Is is like a big forward that like somewhere in there, 216 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:18,039 and he's going into his age twenty two season. So I think if I'm 217 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,399 rebuilding, I probably keep him around, assuming that I can do it for 218 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,600 you know, nothing more than like solid starter money. I think, so 219 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:31,399 DeAndre Hunters contract like four for ninety that feels really scary. But the CAP's 220 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:37,679 going up, I mean probably not that high, but that's not insane anything. 221 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:41,919 Oh, what's the number on Vootch? You're like, because Gona, 222 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:46,519 this team is gonna try and compete if you're keeping voots, Like, what's 223 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:48,720 the number where it's I don't know who's giving it to him? Which is 224 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,840 the other thing that's funny, Like who's giving Vootch on the market at the 225 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,120 mid level? Honestly, I'm just oh, no, I was gonna say 226 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,639 a mid level. I don't want to pay more than the mid level for 227 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,720 him, like and I on his numbers and whatever. He's a very skilled 228 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,360 player, but it's just that's that's where we are with that player type. 229 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:05,399 For me, I think if you could do like two years thirty would be 230 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,600 ideal because then it's sort of a contract that you could move. Yeah, 231 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:11,679 but like the whole idea of moving him is it's just like there's no demand 232 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:16,440 for that player. There's a salary matching tool to because a Lonzo ball is 233 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,720 not going to be that for you anymore. It's like a fifteen million dollars 234 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,799 salary anchor is pretty pretty valuable. Yeah, maybe you throw a team option 235 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,039 on a year three to make it feel like he could win. The Bush 236 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,159 gets a three year sixty million dollars. I like that. Yeah, we 237 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:33,399 gotta get to Cleveland though, right was this year? Was this the team 238 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,799 you're thinking of? Or are we farther off of the alphabet? No? 239 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,039 No, this is the team I was thinking all right? Uh, free 240 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,159 agents of note here Caris Lavert, Danny Green, Robin Lopez, Hellnetto, 241 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,440 and Dylan Windler. Isaaca Coro is eligible for an extension. They should have 242 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:54,639 the full MLI and they have a trade exception of three point nine million for 243 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:58,600 Baji. Uh. Like, you can't talk about the calves without they need 244 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:02,279 a three and D wing, right, Like, that's that's where we have 245 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,679 to start, And how are they getting that in a market with basically none 246 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:10,600 of them? Yeah? I don't know. I mean, I don't expect 247 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,559 you to answer that question like it's I think the options would be like and 248 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:18,559 you're kind of like loosely into like Harrison Barnes who slipped on defense, but 249 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:19,720 I think he could play the three on this team. Will he get will 250 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,480 he go for the mid level? Josh Richardson's a good name. I feel 251 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,600 like Max Drews is gonna get more than the mid level, but he would 252 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,919 be good. He leads more three than d but he'll try. Those are 253 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,080 names that you could consider. But I think, and this is why we're 254 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,000 worried about this podcast being ruined before it goes up, is that Brian Windhorse 255 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:44,519 was alluding to some pretty inflammatory things involving the calves while he was on ESPN 256 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:48,840 Tuesday. I don't know what those are. My guests would be, you're 257 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,559 not trading Garland, you're not trading Mitchell, you're not trading Mobli and so 258 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:59,440 it's okay Jared Allen for who Yeah, And it's not Ogna Nobi because I'm 259 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,840 assuming the Raptors are just gonna resign Peardle and you're not getting Peartle and Annobi 260 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:07,839 for Alan plus salary. I wouldn't think anyway, h oh, j is 261 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,000 Jared out? No, I oh, Jannoby's more valuable than than Jared when 262 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,359 you're looking at playoffs, and said, yeah, but it's Jared Allen for 263 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,359 who he's been linked to the Pelicans. I don't like, are you what 264 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,720 are you getting? Like unless they're giving you Herb Jones, who's not really 265 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:26,640 three he that connected on his Pelicans says I told me, well, look 266 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,720 what he shot from three from sit It's like, yeah, it was on 267 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:32,960 two attempts a game like that's not you're getting into the same Isaaco Coro shot 268 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,680 really well from three for most of last year and then that tapered off. 269 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:40,279 So it's it's jet. You very rarely see the big for wing trades, 270 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:45,519 although we just saw one with basically smart for Perzingius, like who really wants 271 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:49,039 Jared Allen and is then giving you what you need? And then also I 272 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:52,920 would say, I know it was a problem with him. The other thing 273 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,559 this team kind of needed now was a I don't want to say a backup 274 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:00,680 big, but like someone who's gonna rebound and has guys. Yeah, I 275 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:06,960 just figured out the trade. It's probably illegal sign and trade Dante DiVincenzo and 276 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:10,680 Kavan Looney for Jared Allen and the Warriors just get Jared Allen and I just 277 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:17,279 you know that's terrible. No, uh yeah, no, I think is 278 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,400 well before we talk about targets scenario where you feel comfortable with Acorro for example, 279 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,160 and Lavert coming back and just hoping that one or the other figures out 280 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,680 how to slot into that that you know, starter role, like we've done 281 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,720 enough, right, we know enough. I think if you want to bring 282 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,480 them back with the intention of it, okay, we're gonna move them in 283 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,680 the middle of the sea, like okay, fine, but this is not 284 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,839 the theory of this team now. Is just Lavert's never gonna be that. 285 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,240 He played better defensively than I thought he would, and o'caro shot the ball 286 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:48,720 really well for most of last year, but we saw what's gonna happen in 287 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:53,359 the playoffs with him. It's they need that player on this team, and 288 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,480 it doesn't have to be super high end, but they need that player right 289 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:02,079 now. I don't Isaacaccorre the closest they come. I don't view him as 290 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,680 that player. Yeah, like Tory Craig doesn't move the needle, although he'd 291 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,119 probably be an upgrade. He moves the needle, which is maybe the end. 292 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,720 But who's more likely to stay on the floor is a three and D 293 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:18,160 guy in the playoffs carous Leavert, Tory Craig or Isaaca Coral. The answer 294 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,799 is Tory Craig. And it's not like Caros Laver is the better score ball 295 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:23,279 handler, but that's not what this team needs. Yeah, what do you 296 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:27,160 think about de Vincenzo? Even though I mentioned him jokingly because the mid level 297 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,920 might get him, he'd been enough shooter. Well it was last year, 298 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,720 but it's never been before, so that's the probably small then too. He 299 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,400 and yeah, he's really more of a one two defender than a three defender. 300 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,640 But I mean, like just looking down the list, yeah, I 301 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,559 don't it's not long until you get to Josh Richardson, whom you mentioned, 302 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:49,559 and it's like that's just not I'm not inspired by that. Trying to think 303 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:52,599 who else, Yeah, we've kind of gone through a lot of these. 304 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:57,960 You know what you could potentially work? Would it be? I don't know 305 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:00,359 it, Like, I don't know what when Brook wouldn't even do this? 306 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,640 Dory I Phinny Smith and Nick Claxton for Jared Allen. I think Claxton might 307 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,839 be close to as good as Allen. Yeah, Like, I mean I 308 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:12,079 don't think so. I don't think Brooklyn's saying yes to that, but yeah, 309 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:18,160 okay, Alex Caruso and Patrick Williams for Jared Allen. Ooh, that's 310 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,359 exciting. I would do that for the Calves. I think I would too, 311 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,960 which makes me think that Chicago probably wouldn't. Yeah. Hm, no, 312 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,920 I don't know. Do you have anything else on the Calves? I 313 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,880 mean, dude, this is again like you said something crazy. They're not 314 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,960 flipping Jared Allen for Tim Hardaway Junior, right, no way, making sure. 315 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,799 I'm just trying, like, who's the team that's coming in be like, 316 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,839 hey, we're giving a bunch of stuff for Jared Allen. Right, 317 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:42,759 I don't think Jared Allen's on a bad contract. I'm just saying I think 318 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:45,839 he's really good. We look, we apologize to Jared Allen at the end 319 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,079 of every single on these podcasts, right, But I just I don't know, 320 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,440 and he has to be the guy that went. We could agree on 321 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,519 that, right, wind Horses, that's the guy you're deleting. It's just 322 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:00,079 process of elimination, unless it's like unless it's a total little bombshell and it's 323 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,720 like, well, Donovan Mitchell has decided he really would like to get to 324 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,000 the NIXT now, you know, like that that doesn't seem like it's in 325 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 the cards. Yeah, it'll be fascinating to see. Fascinating to see how 326 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,039 irrelevant all of our analysis on this team. I will say, I'm not 327 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:15,119 worried about the Calves. I think people really blew out of proportion. There's 328 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,119 still their core, their base of their team is still so young. While 329 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,640 I do think they need three D players, like you know, the Dean 330 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,720 Wade stuff, Like you can't just have Dean Wade and Isaca Corn would expect 331 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:27,559 that to be. But they're they're so good. They're so good. I 332 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:32,880 think the expected outcome for a team giving huge minutes to guys as young as 333 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,559 Garland and MOBILEI was what happened like that. It would have been more of 334 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:38,200 a surprise if the Calves had gone on a deep run with guys that young 335 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,119 in major roles. Speaking of young, this team is even younger and they 336 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:48,440 are next alphabetically as well. The Detroit Pistons uh key free agents here Alec 337 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,160 Burks has a team option. Did he pick that up yet? I don't 338 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,920 know. I have not seen any news. Yeah, unsure Hamadudiallo, Roddy 339 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,880 McGruder, Corey Joseph extension eligible, Isaiah Stewart and James Wise and two of 340 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:07,680 their center log jam members. The Pistons do have about thirty million are almost 341 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,640 thirty million in cap space. Interesting to see if they become a salary dump 342 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:17,200 ground kind of seems unlikely based on how they've operated in the past see Boya 343 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:21,799 Magdanovich see their interest in Jeremy Grant again, which would be just a wild, 344 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:26,839 full circle thing. So no notable trade exceptions. This is a young 345 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,519 team that needs kind of everything up and down the roster. It's kind of 346 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:33,960 these same theory as you know, you don't draft for fit if you're high 347 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,119 in the lottery, I think free agency. If they do choose to spend, 348 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,039 you could kind of do it anywhere, so long as you're not doing 349 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:45,319 anything that you know minimizes say like Kate Cunningham's You know, I don't know 350 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,240 what you'd possibly do to put something in the way of Kate Cunningham or makes 351 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:49,680 you know you don't want to take Jade and Ivy's reps away things like that. 352 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,599 But what do you see as their needs? What do you who do 353 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,480 you like as as potential options for them. I think they need like wings 354 00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:59,559 and shooting. It would be nice if they could get them in the same 355 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,000 player, but they've been linked heavily and I'm not as against it. I 356 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,960 think when you look at how many big types are on the struster, with 357 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,599 Isaiah Stewart and James Wiseman, Marvin Bagley and Jalen Durhan, does paying Cam 358 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Johnson make a ton of sense. He's played for Monty Williams before. He's 359 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000 exactly what He's one of the best off motion scores in the league, has 360 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:18,519 a little bit of a floor game that you can attack with. I still 361 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:22,240 view him as more of a pure four than someone if you're gonna want to 362 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,480 play at the three, and then even things could get dicey defensively. If 363 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,079 he's your four and Boyan Madonovitch is your three, then you're also probably playing 364 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:33,160 with so much size because Jayleen Duran will be your five, Kay Cunningham will 365 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,440 be on the court, and then you have Jay and Ivy. I love 366 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,799 that lineup. I'm not gonna lie. I love that, But then it's 367 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:41,880 like, okay, well, where does a star Thompson fit into this. 368 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,519 I'm just of the mind not that I don't care about the fit. You 369 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:48,240 don't have a big I like Jayleen Duran, there's not a big on this 370 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,680 roster that if you think someone is a great long term fit or that they're 371 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,119 going to elevate the performance of Thompson, Ivy and Cunningham. There's not big 372 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,200 on this roster. I've he was untouchable or that you should plan around, 373 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,720 and so if you want to go you view him as gettable or even if 374 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,960 you're just gonna blow up the price tag for Brooklyn, Yeah, you go 375 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000 give Cam Johnson a four year, one hundred and twenty million dollars off or 376 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,480 sheet if you need, if you feel a client to do so, where 377 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:12,400 do you land on that for them? Oh I am in the business of 378 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:17,720 giving Cam Johnson. Well, then for you know that you think Cam Johnson's 379 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,680 worth sixty million dollars a year, we've that. But for this team specifically, 380 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,039 I love I don't have any problem with the fit. I think you 381 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,920 just hope that one of those fives like Stewart, I think is certainly the 382 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,839 most known commodity, but I would argue he probably has the lowest ceiling, 383 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,319 although Wiseman's running out of time to prove that true. I have no problem 384 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,720 with Johnson just as a straight four alongside any of those guys. And if 385 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:45,000 you move one of one of them down the line, fine, if you 386 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:48,319 just hang on to all of them and assume one will be hurt and another 387 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,200 one, you know, just flops and you develop the third. Like there's 388 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,480 again hiring money Williams and paying a bazillion dollars and some of the other things 389 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:02,440 like keeping and extending by bogne of and you know, not trading Alec Burks 390 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,519 at the deadline last year. Like all these things suggest that the Pistons are 391 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,559 looking to win or at least win more. But I just look at the 392 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:15,279 roster and it's like Cunningham's played a year. Ivy, you know, growing 393 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,359 pains all over the place last year. Thompson, I think, is probably 394 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,079 going to be even rawer than I will be more raw than Ivy, like 395 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,359 you've got all It's honestly, this is a team I I view, if 396 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,319 I were running it, I'm taking on bad money in that into that cap 397 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,039 space with picks attached. I'm just kind of throwing all these young guys out 398 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,160 there and kind of seeing what it looks like. So yeah, I mean 399 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,880 that makes for bad pod because we're you know, I'm not going to look 400 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,000 at a bunch of free agents and trade options. But I kind of just 401 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,240 like the idea of looking at this for what it is, which is a 402 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:52,200 rebuild that is like not far along because you don't really know that much about 403 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,920 anybody that you have. That's not how Pistons are treating it. I think 404 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,400 they're very much looking to start winning more, kind of like Houston, do 405 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:03,519 you. I was gonna say that the contract they gave Monty made me think 406 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:08,720 that they're not operating on this accelerated timeline. I think the contract it would 407 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,240 have been more noise with the Thompson pick if they were more worried about I 408 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,319 think a lot of Pistons fans when I got were worried that they might not 409 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,680 have taken the remaining Thompson brother if he was on the board. Well, 410 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,400 I mean he was gonna be on the board because it would be viewed as 411 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:29,160 too long term of a play. Well, why then are they keeping veterans 412 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,640 through the deadline and things like that. It's just I think you think, 413 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:37,400 I mean, I think it's I think it's looking at it from the perspective 414 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,839 of how can we make the lives easier for the development. They're already trying 415 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:42,759 to play with two bigs at least we think maybe Cam Johnson gets them away 416 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,960 from that, which, hey, there's value in that. But having shooting 417 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,680 just in the form of Alec person by a Bogdanovich, you could if you're 418 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,240 saying they should take the long term around like I would still be targeting. 419 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:55,960 I don't care if I have to overpay them, bring me shooting just to 420 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,480 open up the floor for all these guys who need it now, Kade Jay 421 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,759 and Ivy or Sir Thompson's way his jump shot. I trust it more than 422 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,359 on men's. I don't know where you're landing on that, But watching them, 423 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,920 maybe I'm neither Russe have gotten into it too much. I don't mean 424 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,359 no, I no, no, I think that's I think that's right. 425 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,720 But but that's to say I don't trust either of them much at all so 426 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,559 far. So by that logic, then it's Cam Johnson for sure. That 427 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:22,519 makes a ton of sense in terms of free agency. I mean, then 428 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,119 then you're but as as far as like guys you could spend a significant amount 429 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,079 on, there aren't a ton of like as you say like that, Yeah, 430 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,680 I mean, but then other than the playoffs, he's like not always 431 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,920 the most reliable three point shooter. Well he shot under thirty two percent in 432 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,640 the playoffs this year through Yeah, okay, so full stop, he's not 433 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,039 reliable. I mean he's taking like nine per thirty six minutes and he's coming 434 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:47,079 around like him and Bowyan open up the floor. I think I'm with you 435 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,400 in the sense that can you check two boxes where it's okay? If the 436 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,039 Mavericks we're looking to get off Tim Hardaway Junior, do we get compensated and 437 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,200 get a shooter that way type like I would if i'm them, I'm not. 438 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,400 I would make clear I'm not going after They've been linked to Jeremy Grant, 439 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,440 Chris Middleton. I'm not going after those guys because I don't think they 440 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:08,000 provide enough three point volume. It is the cap relief they would provide the 441 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,480 heat for taking on Duncan Robinson enough to just get Duncan Robinson, Like I 442 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,559 don't know what the scenario is where they're talking about waving and stretching Kyle Lowry 443 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,200 to keep. So if you're talking about movement shooters and guys that are going 444 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,640 to open up the offense and draw attention away, I mean just give you 445 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,839 know, give the draft compensation or whatever. Like maybe you get a pick 446 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,680 with Don. I don't think Duncan. I think Duncan Robinson rehabed his value 447 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,200 enough to where it's like the Heat aren't paying to get off that contract. 448 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:37,720 But if you know, they also don't want to give him that much money 449 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,880 with their cap situation, so like just take him on, you know, 450 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,960 swing a deal for him because it's three years. Where it's like if you 451 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,519 could just pay Tim Harnaway Junior or Max Strus for two years, it just 452 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:53,880 feels a lot more palatable. Maybe there are Berton's destination. So we basically 453 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,880 both led on. We're okay with them throwing all the money at Cam Johnson, 454 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,039 but anyone else is just like sort of a no go. And then 455 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,079 another player Toronto's gonna be looking at cut money. Gary Trent Junior wouldn't be 456 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,559 awful here. You have a lot of you have like enough size with our 457 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,880 sure Thompson and Kate Cunningham to where. I don't know if you want to 458 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,839 play Gary Trent Junior j and Ivy with both of them, but you could 459 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,079 certainly like he could fit into the rotation, especially off the bench. Yeah, 460 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:19,920 I don't I like that. Fine, he's also like only seventeen years 461 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,640 old or something. Gary Junior is like the king of being super young. 462 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,920 Well, the other I mean, if we're gonna talk Cam Johnson, I 463 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,319 feel like the next gradation down is, you know, not quite as good 464 00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:32,279 at any of it is PJ. Washington. If you're gonna throw an off 465 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:37,200 her sheet out there like he's he's not. Grant Williams feel that he provides 466 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,279 more reliable shooting. And Williams makes sense too. Yeah, that's you always 467 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:41,880 have to start with Cam and then you bumped down to the other the other 468 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,720 couple, guys, do you have any trade You mentioned Gary Trent because he's 469 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:51,920 obviously not opting out, But do you know do you know who would be 470 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:55,680 spicy trade target for them or you're not gonna answer, I'm gonna Barry Marketing 471 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,920 would be great on the team. He can't play small forward. Dawn were 472 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,240 already already discussed you'll play the four. That's true, I always I did, 473 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,640 just say none of their bigs are good enough to move someone off a 474 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,000 position. And when you're talking about shooters that maybe you could trade for, 475 00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,039 I already mentioned Tim Hardaway, Junior, Gary Trent or even you know. 476 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:15,839 I don't think India you have to give up stuff for him, but Buddy 477 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,680 Healed, maybe the Nets are looking to get off Joe Harris. The other 478 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,519 name I thought of is just I don't Land already cut money, but like 479 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:25,640 what's going on with DeAndre Hunter and doesn't give you enough shooting to really think 480 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,240 about it? So you didn't want to pay some deeg Bay do you want 481 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,920 to pay you know, DeAndre Hunter on his contract? But there are I 482 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,880 think there are teams that will be looking to move contracts that would provide Detroit 483 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,000 with shootings where I think they're straddling the lines that we're saying both of them 484 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,119 should where you might be more nuclear rebuild than I am at this point. 485 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,920 But yeah, no, I think that's fair. We move on now to 486 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,359 the Indiana Pacers. George Hill and O Shaper set a free agents. Terris 487 00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:55,119 Halibert already Jesus happened so fast, eligible for his U as much as you 488 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,880 want to pay him under the CBA, I would pay him all the money. 489 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Aaroni Smith also eligible for an extension. So this is another cap space 490 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,519 team. There's a handful of them here, about thirty two million in space. 491 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:14,039 They don't have any notable trade exceptions. So another team, although I 492 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:18,400 think we both probably agree they're a little further along, or they have a 493 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,480 better sense of what kind of team they're going to be rebuild wise, then 494 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:26,359 say Detroit or I'm trying to think who else we mentioned the theoretically blown up 495 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,160 Chicago Bulls or somebody They have a better idea of who they are than the 496 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,839 Chicago Bulls do. Let's be honest, Yeah, which is to say Haliburton 497 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,880 runs the show. We have some guards and small wings that we like, 498 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,160 and Miles Turner is our space or at the five like not a bad you 499 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,319 know, starting point, even if the ages are kind of out of whack 500 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:47,480 a little bit. So is this a team then that should be spending this 501 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,519 money or is this another team that I'm just gonna listen to you talk and 502 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,599 then say I'd rather take on a bad contract. I think they should spend 503 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,559 it, because especially now like they're Utah, mem theoretically could have been vying 504 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:02,880 for a lot of the same free agents. I don't think they will be 505 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,640 anymore, and you're not. There are free agents like you look at a 506 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:13,039 Grant Williams or PJ. Washington that like kind of fit their timeline, and 507 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,920 so it's not you're not accelerating too much. I will say one of my 508 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,039 favorite targets for them now though, and I'm not sure if them drafting Jarress 509 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,640 Walker impacts this for you at all. I like the idea of someone who, 510 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,440 rather than playing the four and then being able to slide up to the 511 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,119 five, you have them make a play the three or on the four, 512 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,359 And so I meanly think like, I don't know if they are Kyle Ko's 513 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,680 my team, but Harrison Barnes even if you don't want to break the bank 514 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,119 or I think my favorite target for them now is officially Jeremy Grant, because 515 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,039 if the Blazers aren't going to pay him or they don't want to give him 516 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,279 like that amount of money, he can play the three or the four works 517 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:50,200 alongside in a jaris Walker, Miles Turner front court. Maybe a little bit 518 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,359 older than you want, but look, there's a chance, like they were 519 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:57,920 pretty competent when they had their entire stable of personnel available last year, and 520 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,839 like you said, they have a better theory of how they can play, 521 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,480 specifically on offense, and it definitely maybe not as much on defense, but 522 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,640 like Detroit is kind of searching. It was definitely searching for itself all year 523 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,599 defensively last season. And so I don't think they need to look at this 524 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,039 urgently that we have to spend this money. They could be a cap dumping 525 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:20,279 team, but they also feel like so year by year in the sense where 526 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,079 they don't know if they're going to continue rebuilding or not, that they might 527 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:29,119 be less inclined to take on a multi year deal then like if it's Tobias 528 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,079 Harris and they're giving up, you know, Daniel Tyster to buy like something 529 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:35,440 stupid, like that's not even work, like TJ McConnell and Daniel Tyster, 530 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,599 Tobias Harris. Yeah, they might do something like that because Tobias Harris comes 531 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,240 off the books. But I don't know if they're going to be as open 532 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,799 to the multi year salary dumps as other teams, which makes me think yeah, 533 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:47,799 maybe they could come into play for some of these free agents that would 534 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:52,720 actually be a good fit, but maybe they don't quote unquote fit the traditional 535 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:57,000 rebuilding timeline, just because I don't think the Pacers are operating on such a 536 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,359 timeline. Yeah, I think I agree, shockingly because I always just vouch 537 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,440 for use your cap space for other things. And it's it's partly it's partly 538 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,119 because of what you've said, but it's it's just like the Steam needs a 539 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,119 four, and even like normally when you start talking about, well, what 540 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,519 about taking on Tobias Harris, Like Tobias actually would fit, like he would 541 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:16,840 make good sense positionally on this team, like a little on the small side, 542 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,400 I guess for a four. But it's I think that's fine, right, 543 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,119 Yeah, No, it's do especially nowadays, like it's it's fine. 544 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,079 So so, but you know that's that wouldn't be my first choice. I 545 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,800 think you you isolate which of the restricted fours you think you could get. 546 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,360 You start with its just like we talked about, you start with Cam Johnson 547 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,440 and move down the ladder and see you know which it makes sense or to 548 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,320 waste your waste, but to devote your cap space being held up on an 549 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,400 offer sheet. I think that's a way to go. Grant makes a lot 550 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,480 of sense, you know, I think I don't know how serious I was 551 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,840 or am about it, but like Draymond Green is you know, someone that 552 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:59,039 we've talked about at that spot, because Turner just affords you is a way 553 00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:01,199 for you to afford having Green as a non shooter out there. I think, 554 00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,840 you know, there aren't a lot of fives that you know, make 555 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,840 that fit as clean as Turner, so you could you could do all kinds 556 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,639 of stuff with like I think Dylan Brooks, even like you know, he's 557 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:16,000 too small be a full time for But again, it turn Turners like the 558 00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,119 skeleton key. It's you know, at least in theory where yeah, you 559 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,199 got shooting at the five, so you can stomach having a non shooter at 560 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,000 the three or the four or whatever. And you know, I think getting 561 00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,880 a guy that can defend, a guy that's physical, a guy that you 562 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,960 know shooting, isn't a total must to fit into the four. I think 563 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,400 that's the way you go with the cap space and if if that guy can 564 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000 shoot, awesome, even better. But but I think the Pacers weirdly have 565 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:45,159 some flexibility with that spot. I guess what would also be a good barometer 566 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,960 for where they're at, And they could also go like lower end I mentioned 567 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,880 Harrison Barnes if they wanted to be, they could be natistible team. I 568 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,719 wouldn't hate that. Again, you can handle the non shooting, you know, 569 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,639 you can deal with it. Actually, we're day Chris Middleton here. 570 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,039 Either would be that's that's Chris Middleton. What's the matter with you? That 571 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:09,400 one's like, now, we're really not messing around with us, like we're 572 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,400 gonna spend because I mean, what's it gonna take to get Chris Middleton? 573 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,280 You're a way over thirty right per year and you probably you have to clear 574 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,239 more money. But maybe maybe his market isn't what it is, but he 575 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,480 did opt out, so it would leave me believe that there's something going on 576 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,719 Milwaukee there. Yeah, but I think it would be a good rometer for 577 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,719 how much faith they have in this core of what they're actually looking to do. 578 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,960 Which trade targets are they going to be linked to and they'll be continuously 579 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,039 linked to Ogianna Nobi and are they willing to give up stuff for Ogana Nobi's 580 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,840 the perfect fit. Yeah, But he is per ficked. I talk about 581 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,119 how he's overrated for most teams. Indiana is not here. Yeah, I 582 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,679 just don't know what you're not giving up Benedick Mathin for him. I don't 583 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,719 think they would give up Jarress Walker for him. I'm not a Jarres Walker 584 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,760 fan, but like the number would end up being the number eight pick, 585 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,159 like with four years left on his rookiet like no, I'm like, I'm 586 00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,760 not. I don't know that I'm doing that for o Giana Nobe, Like 587 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,599 you have your own picks, you have some of like you don't have any 588 00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:07,639 other teams as future picks anymore after this draft. So I just don't know 589 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,199 what the packages that they be. Will they have the cat flexibility to be 590 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,559 like, hey, we don't need to give you anything like tangible, But 591 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,840 I don't know, like Christaarte is not going to move the needle for Toronto 592 00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,320 in those times, I know, And that was the best trade repols I 593 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,079 would get from patient shows Like do you think like Duarte and the Celtics pick, 594 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,719 we would get og And it's like no, I don't, like, 595 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,360 I don't think if that would do it? You wouldn't trade Matherin for for 596 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,960 O G would I trade, I mean, ODI would have to guarantee he's 597 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,519 coming back, Yeah, like he's gonna sign an extension or resign a free 598 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,000 agency. I probably need Like you know, I don't like, you're not 599 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,840 gonna get Grady Dick and Og for Benn Nick Matherin, but like they would 600 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,719 need to be I need to get something else out of that. You like 601 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,840 you and you need to be ready to compete now, and I just don't 602 00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,800 I might be. Here's my take, I'm probably gonna give up Jared's Walker 603 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,199 for OG before I'm giving up Oh Maroo for don't well, I don't know 604 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,800 how I feel about Walker yet, but I like I think I would, 605 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,360 you know, you'd have to get You could just throw Tyson there and you 606 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,079 get there with the money mather and Tyson some kind of pick. I think 607 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:21,400 i'd probably, Hey, we'll take Ogs Walker, Like I don't know. 608 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,119 I mean, your point is right, though, like you're not just trading 609 00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:28,320 for OG, you're trading for OG. And then also the right or I 610 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,719 mean obligation maybe is a better word of paying him on his next deal, 611 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,559 which you know, who knows what the market's going to be. But but 612 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,840 I that's that's that's ultimately they hang up with him. Is It's kind of 613 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,760 like one Siakam at least came out and said, I guess like, I'm 614 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,159 not resigning if you trade me OG maybe that way too. It's just more 615 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:46,920 of an implied than an explicit threat. Can we take a moment before we 616 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,079 just list off some like lower end wing type targets for them and appreciate that 617 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,960 we're entering an off season devoid so far if Myles turn or trade rumors kind 618 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,559 of nice, right, kind of nice? And now John Collins officially like 619 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:05,039 Miles Turner kind of passed the towards to John Collins, and then John Collins 620 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,119 has passed towards two game would be there. It's gotta be dame because Brett 621 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:12,360 brat Beale's off the books too, Like we really have lost several of our 622 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,039 have to talk about this guy again. Trade trade candidates. I mean, 623 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:21,480 I think Towns is probably gonna climb the Who's next up? Yeah, that's 624 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,039 what we should do. I'll say that that's good content, and that's a 625 00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:27,000 whole pod. Who's next on the we have to talk about them every three 626 00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,360 days? Trade candidates, I will say, just quickly, like, this 627 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,960 could be a Derek Jones junior team. Do they take a look at Jay 628 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,840 Crowder if you're looking for I don't want to say lower end, but like 629 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:44,320 not as glitzy trade targets Jay Shawn Tate don that. I'm just gonna throw 630 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,519 herb Jones in here if we want to, if we want to reboot the 631 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:51,400 Miles Turner trade rumors, will just pencilin herb Jones Larry Marketing if they were 632 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,800 like, hey, we'll give you stuff like you want to talk about Benn 633 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,599 Nick matherin you know, Larry Marketing. I don't know how Jared Walker get 634 00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,719 impacts that, but that you could play those two together with Miles Turner. 635 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,920 So I feel like the Jazz and all their fans are wondering why you keep 636 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,280 trying to trade marketing and they're not happy about this. Elton Johnson would be 637 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,760 someone I kicked the tires onto, like what do the Spurs want to do 638 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,559 with him? But yeah, those are some other names to consider. Do 639 00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,800 you want to take us through there's next team in the alphabet, yes, 640 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,320 well in the last team in this division, so this makes it easy. 641 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:23,159 This is the Milwaukee Bucks. It's funny if you're like Charlotte Hornets, Brook 642 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,320 Lopez and Chris Middleton and Joe Ingles and Jay Crowder and Jevon Carter are all 643 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,280 free agents. The first two of those matter the most U in a big 644 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:37,119 way. Lopez and Middleton. Jannas is extension eligible. I'm not sure what's 645 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,480 going to happen there, wouldn't don't don't expect an extension. I think he 646 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:44,239 was just he needs longer than two years. Like he's just like there's no 647 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,719 reason for him to sign it. It's just like it's like that argument of 648 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,519 like what's the point if he like tore every neeligam and he had tomorrow He's 649 00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,119 getting the max like the second he comes back out. So there's like that 650 00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:57,599 out there. It's I'm complimenting him. He's that good that it wouldn't matter. 651 00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,079 He's still gonna get yep, you know what I mean. So this 652 00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,880 is a second Apron team. We have not had one of those in this 653 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,159 division. I don't think as I scroll up, so extremely limited in their 654 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:12,119 options. Those limitations will only intensify as we go forward, and all of 655 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,440 these ridiculous salary matching and buy out and draft pick and this, that and 656 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:21,280 the other mid level evaporating exceptions come into play down the line. And that's 657 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,119 all relevant because if you bring Lopez and Milton back at market rate salaries or 658 00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:30,800 even slightly below that, you're still just your second apron get comfortable Bucks. 659 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,000 So they have minimums to offer. That is going to limit our options for 660 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:43,199 suggesting free agency acquisitions. But that's where they are. So what does this 661 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,760 team need? And again just for a refresher, because it feels like it 662 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,920 happened. You know ten years ago, bounced in the first round by an 663 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:58,440 eighth seed, had some real like concerning offensive decline from Jannis at Someone's adding 664 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,599 defensive too, like the shooting just isn't there. The free throw thing persisted. 665 00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:06,039 All the bad Bucks things where the offense stalls and they don't have enough 666 00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,960 they can't create enough good shots happened. So also this team won a title 667 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,480 like not long ago with this same honest one was dealing with the back injury 668 00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:17,320 to yes, right, that's that's fair. Have to mention that. But 669 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,199 so there is some consternation. I think that maybe like the window for this 670 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,440 team is is open, not as wide as it might have seemed like certainly 671 00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:28,280 when they wanted. It seemed like Yannest was just going to stomp the whole 672 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,280 league forever. Maybe that'll still happen, but that's all to say there. 673 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,199 This team has real needs and really does not have a lot of avenues to 674 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,400 pursue those or to pursue solutions. So if you're what's your where are you 675 00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,760 starting? Like what we gotta we gotta find someone to do this for us 676 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:51,480 next year as the Bucks just half court like outlets and I'm talking and by 677 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,559 outlet I mean spacing and can make a decision with the ball in their hands 678 00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:58,199 on the floor. Yeah, I think that's probably the biggest thing. And 679 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,840 you're not going to get a nuclear solution or a seismic solusion to that. 680 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:05,400 I know we've seen some like Drew Holiday hypotheticals floating around, but my expectations 681 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,360 would be, Look, you start this off season where Brook Lopez and Chris 682 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,559 Midlton, I don't know what team is out there that's gonna pay you. 683 00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,679 You go into Chris Middleton's free agency eyes wide open. If he's opting out, 684 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,639 it's like he's gonna get thirty five million or whatever is they'll pay him. 685 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,360 Is there a number where you're like, well, we're not gonna pay 686 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,440 thirty five year old Brook Lopez. I mean that's the crazy thing is for 687 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,159 Middleton and Lopez, I think there are numbers and the problem or there should 688 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:32,159 be numbers, but I don't think the Bucks are in a position to say 689 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,519 we can't go that high. And those those guys have massive leverage, not 690 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:43,000 just not from the outside but internally where it's like you can't like it's not 691 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,840 just like well, Middleton's aging and you know long term, it's it's like, 692 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,199 no, no, you need him next year and like basically everything after 693 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,039 that doesn't matter. And he knows that. So if he wants to drive 694 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,000 a hard bargain and Lopez too, I think Lopez has like a broader market 695 00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,119 just because he won't cost as much and I think it's just easier to fit 696 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,719 him. He also might have more leverage as I think this is not a 697 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,239 knock against Jonathan and the Kubo, but you need that floor spacing big who 698 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:15,360 doesn't compromise your defense alongside and while you have Bobby Portis who comes pretty close 699 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,079 to meeting that it's just broke up, is just finished run upper. Yeah, 700 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,159 I mean, him and Portis are have one similarity, which is that 701 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,440 they're tall and can shoot. Everything else is different and in favor of Lope. 702 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:30,199 Like so all that's all to say, like it kind of almost depends 703 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,960 on like how big of an asshole does Lopez and not that you should it's 704 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,320 not that's the wrong way to put it, Like how hard a bargain do 705 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,400 you want to drive? Because your value to this team is like off the 706 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,519 charts and it doesn't even matter if there's another suitor out there. You can 707 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:45,800 just be ridiculous in your demands and like do they want to do that? 708 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,000 You know? Do they want to make it hard on Milwaukee? So I 709 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,599 don't know what the number is, like if it's just in a vacuum. 710 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:57,960 I don't like the idea of giving either of these guys more than maybe Middleton 711 00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,199 like two plus one Lopez two plus one on that's as long as I'd want 712 00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:04,280 to go. Lopez, I could you could talk me into twenty million a 713 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,039 year. I think he's probably worth that. I don't know if the Bucks 714 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:12,480 are willing to pay that. And Middleton even thirty thirties, probably my ceiling 715 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,599 starting at thirty and you have your normal raises. But that's like, that's 716 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,039 a lot, Like I can't what was his player option for wasn't his player 717 00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:22,599 offs like forty? It was forty, But you're theoretically gonna get you know, 718 00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:28,159 to two points something x that over three years if you're him, I 719 00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,440 mean, maybe you feel different about Middleton. I just think at his age 720 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:36,000 and like his game should age well like and but I just think he's at 721 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,840 a position where typically you're demanding shutdown defense or like you know, primary you 722 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,039 know, defensive option guy, and he's not really that anymore. So it's 723 00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:46,639 the Bucks are in a tough spot, Like I don't I don't envy. 724 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,760 I mean, you have Jannis and you probably will contend, but like, 725 00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:55,599 financially this gets rough very quickly. Yeah, and like you're operating on we 726 00:45:55,679 --> 00:46:01,360 can make additives in free agency via the minimum if you're keeping Middleton and Lopez, 727 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,159 which by the way, I expect him to do, and I don't 728 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,920 what else are they supposed to do. They're still gonna be really good right 729 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,400 now. And look, I don't know that I have there's a number I'm 730 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,320 not paying Middleton the match, But unless they're really worried about his knee issues. 731 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,880 As you said, his game should age well and he's just so important. 732 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,719 But I'm looking at free agent wise, Utah wants an hobby would be 733 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:23,679 a great fit here. Someone who can knock down to three. You don't 734 00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:25,639 really want to putting the ball on the floor too much, that we can 735 00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:29,159 do that a little bit. I have Javonte Green. Is he a good 736 00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,400 enough shooter, but he gives you a lot defensively, And look part of 737 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,880 what goes into this when you're looking at kind of you know, I have 738 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,519 o' Shabbersett as well, t J. Warren as a flyer. What's happening 739 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:40,639 with Jay Crowder? He's leaving. It sounds like because he was like, 740 00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,559 I don't know why they traded for me. I guess they can come over 741 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,880 the top with an offer. But it doesn't sound like he didn't play a 742 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,639 ton in the playoffs. He did hit threes while he was there during the 743 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:54,800 regular season, So like that kind of matters to this. But it's harder 744 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,800 to fill. It's easier to find shooting with the minimum probably than it is 745 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:05,119 for that kind of secondary creation. I have Shake Milton. This would be 746 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,760 a good Shake Milton destination. That's like it. Like when you're talking about 747 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,079 their minimums, I don't know who else in the point guard market, Like 748 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,480 Dennis Shrewder too expensive and I don't again, I don't think he provides enough 749 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:20,320 spacing, Like Dennis Smith Junior is probably going for more than the minimum, 750 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,760 and will he shoot it well enough? Corey Joseph, Reggie Jackson, Jordan 751 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,639 McLaughlin, Derek Rose, like, these are just names that are wildly uninspiring 752 00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,480 and you're not gonna get into trade. Jones business I owed to soon move, 753 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,280 not even a good enough shoot. You're not getting him for the minimum. 754 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,079 Anything they make, any substantiums they make, they make via trade, 755 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:39,760 and like their best package is basically, well, we can start step laddering. 756 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,159 Maybe I'm sure they would move. Bobby Portis in the right deal. 757 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,440 The Lopez's age might make that tough, but you step out of your way 758 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,480 with salary, Marjehan bow Champ and one first round pick, and I just 759 00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,320 don't know. I'm not saying you have to give up all of that for 760 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,159 the guys that I listed, but some trade targets that's bring to mind. 761 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,840 I still think Polyanovogdanovich might make this team a favorite to come out of the 762 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,559 that would be I don't know if that's spicy, but if you inquire boy 763 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:05,400 and Madanovitch, I'm picking. I don't care what Boston just did. We 764 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,079 have to wait to see what Miami does. I'd pick Milwaukee to come out. 765 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:13,079 I might Pickwake and come out of these anyway. So that's my that's 766 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,159 my guy for them stuff. I think he is just perfect for what they 767 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:20,119 need. Also, Royce O'Neill, Dorian Fitty Smith, Alec Burks. What 768 00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,679 does it take? And I'm only listing him. I know he said he 769 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,480 wants to retire there, but they have sixteen players under contract right now. 770 00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:31,639 Ken Rich Williams were great, Yeah, that might be. I'm a Buddy 771 00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:37,199 Healed would be his number and Boyan's numbers a little bit difficult to get to. 772 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,960 But like when you start using content and Grayson Allen like, you're kind 773 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,559 of you're kind of there. I don't know if anyone else springs to mind, 774 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,960 but you are at the point where some people might say, well, 775 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,440 I'm not giving up a twenty twenty nine first round pick for boy or Buddy 776 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,440 Healed. Uh, you protect it, But yes you are. Yeah, 777 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,599 I think you are why are you not. I had a couple others that 778 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,440 jumped out of me, like I think, I mean, do you take 779 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,679 a shot at Danny Green? Like do you want to just see if if 780 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,559 you know, he can be here West Matthews where he thought he was totally 781 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,280 washed and then maybe had a little bit left Damian Lee, I mean, 782 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,559 the Suns are gonna want to bring him back. We're just talking minimum guys, 783 00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:14,519 right, Like, I don't think it's getting you Homadu Diallo. Maybe 784 00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,559 you see if like does Will Barton have anything left? Does Terrence Ross have 785 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:20,800 anything left? Like We're really just trying to find guys that can You need 786 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,880 to see if you're gonna go, if you're gonna go like the Danny Green 787 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,239 Terrence Ross stuff, it's like, okay, guys who are proven they can 788 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,559 be off ball, shoot like have Adu Diallo if you get afford just to 789 00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:34,920 know, Yeah, I'm I'm with you. If it's tough, let's see, 790 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,920 has it got anything else on the bucks? You want to wrap this? 791 00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:38,360 No, why don't you take us out of here? All right? 792 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,079 Thanks everybody for listening. As Dan mentioned at the top, and as you 793 00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,039 should just have like burned into your brain By now. Follow us on all 794 00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:51,079 the socials at Hardwood Knox. 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