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Big food and be on with Cliff
and Bobo. These guys are your favorites,

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hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello, Bobo. Hey, how

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you doing? Man good? How's
it going? Oh I'm I'm exhausted.

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Here's a brief rundown of my day. Basically, I got up, I

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did a little stretching or whatever,
trying to get back on the doing something

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with my body bandwagon, got out
the door, grabbed some coffee. I

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had to go to the museum to
drop off some books that arrived or whatever.

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We got some very limited edition books
from Hancock House that we just put

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out a post for our members,
like what hardback of apes among us?

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And when was the last time we
saw hardback? Man, I gotta get

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on there. Yeah, well they're
probably gone by now, but we'll see.

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Our members are are are ravenous for
collectibles, which is really cool to

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have big foot nerds of like mine. Big guys, you say what you

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want to say. Yeah, you
live in your own fantasy Bobo. But

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anyway, so yeah, to drop
off some stuff at the museum yesterday,

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I went to the woods. I
didn't find any tracks all the way.

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I walked three different three different river
valleys. I was out there for a

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long time, put a lot of
miles under my feet. I walked three

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different river valleys. Found no sign
whatsoever. But remember that tree structure that

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I'm not even a structure, that
the break that I told you about sent

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you pictures. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that that

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is actually on some private land.
So I swung by there and picked that

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up. So that is going to
be displayed in the museum now because we

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found that thing in December, so
whatever it was doing at the time is

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probably long over by now or maybe
not, who knows. But anyways,

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to kind of display that amongst our
other tree breaks and all that other stuff

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that we have on display. So
I dropped that off at the museum this

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morning. But we also got a
hold of a map. A gentleman back

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east had this map that he asked
me, have you ever seen this before

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a clif? I go, oh, gosh, no, I've never seen

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one of those before. And he
sent it to me as a donation to

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the museum is from the eighties,
and Kevin Lindley is the guy who made

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it. One of these unsung heroes
of Bigfoot, and he made the thing

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and his name's at the bottom.
So yeah, this guy's name is a

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leaf from back east somewhere. He
had a copy of this thing. And

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I've spoken to Kevin Lindley on the
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He was very, very prolific for
a while. I don't know that much

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about him, but he went out
with Paul Freeman. I mean, he

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was associated with Krantz loosely. He
somehow got a cast from Bluff Creek that

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is almost for sure the Patterson Gimlin
film subject, but no one knows really

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where it came from. Yeah,
he was just everywhere, and apparently he

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made this map. So we got
a copy of that map from the eighties

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and framed it. So I dropped
all that stuff off at work, came

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home. I did taxes. That
was a pleasure, of course, So

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I wrote a much checks for the
government to go do whatever they do with

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it. And then then I get
a call at eleven thirty am. And

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of course you may have noticed that
we were scheduled for noon today to do

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our podcast, But at eleven thirty
I get a call from previous guests and

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good friend of ours on the show, Dennis Full No way, I got

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a half done. I got a
half done email. I was going to

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fish we got done, to sen
you could come back on. It is

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indeed a small world. Well he
mentioned that to me, so he basically

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said, Cliff, are you at
the museum today? And I go,

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well, no, no, today's
my day off. Why are you in

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town? He goes, yeah,
I'm at the museum right now. No

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way, gotta go. So I
hopped in the car. I figured out,

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okay, I got to postpone the
podcast a little bit, which is

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why we're late today. Sorry about
that, I called bat PROCs. I

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figured it probably easier to get ahold
of Matt than you, and I said,

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Hey, Dennis, Fole's in the
museum right now. I'm gonna be

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late. Blah blah blah. Can
you tell Bobo for me please? And

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it all worked out. So here
we are an hour and a half later

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than we suspected we would be.
But I just hung out with Dennis and

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his wife Shannon for the last you
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kind of showing them around and look
at this, look at this, and

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you know, and which is I
think valuable in some ways because the museum

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is you've been there many times,
but it's kind of laid out where everybody's

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going to get something out of it. But when somebody like Dennis or you

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or you guys, you Matt or
Bobo, when one of you guys shows

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up and I'm talking to you,
and I go, well, look at

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this though, you know, and
I coulday, well look at this,

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like I can kind of peel back
that layer for you to appreciate something a

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little bit more than what most of
the tourists who come through would get.

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And so I was doing that with
Dennis and like, look, look there's

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the act. See this picture from
ape cam in nineteen twenty four. Here's

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the actual bailing wire right here.
You know, Oh see this This is

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Roger Patterson's autograph from the Spokane show
where Kevin Llewellen was there. He's guy

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who donated the Roger Patterson autograph to
the museum. But I said, you

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know, well, you know who
else was in that that Spokane coliseum that

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night is a ten year old doctor
Jeff Meldrum. You know, so like

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that extra layer that I get to
peel back for the dignitaries and Bigfoot royalty

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that come through. I really enjoy
that sort of thing. Yeah for sure.

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Anyway, just got home that that's
been my day so far. I've

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been running for the last what is
it, it's almost two now, Yeah,

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so running for the last you know, seven hours. Now? What

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have you been up to? Man? I got out a couple of days

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this week up in the Redwoods.
I was gonna I was gonna go out

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with Todd and Doug up to Bluff
with them guys. I couldn't make.

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They they hit me at the night
before, like I just made plans.

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I was like, because I had
the day, I had the day open,

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and I was like what should I
do? And I was like,

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I gotta go to the mechanic and
I gotta do some appointments. I just

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did it all. And so I
made the appointments and then like literally like

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a half other of those guy's calls
and hey, we're going up. I

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was like, damn, I just
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But they didn't find anything that time. But over where I go Fieldbrook

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more like kind of trind it out
up that way. Doug was working there

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and he found a trackway forty eight
inch inch step like couldn't really tell,

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but you know, larger than his
big boot of foot impressions and the deaf

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with about a forty eight inch step. Those guys are killing it. Yeah.

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Yeah, they're on a roll.
I mean between the Prince of Bluff

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with that thing there that they're observation
of a sasquatch on you know, in

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Mount Hood over here just a few
months ago and in January. Yep.

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Yeah, it's it's like anything else. You get it on a roll.

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You get in the zone, you
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and just things flow. You just
got to ride it as long as you

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can because it comes to stop at
some point. Yeah. Yeah, I

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guess for our listeners who may not
know who Doug and all these characters are,

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Matt pro can put that link in
the show notes and then you can

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listen to their account of their sighting
that they just had on January twenty fifth,

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twenty twenty four. And of course
they are also a guest of ours

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because they found some snowprints up in
Bluff Creek last year I think it was

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yep. So yeah, I been
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I don't know. Hey, Matt
Prue, when will this go out

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in the air? This is going
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Twenty second. Oh well, let
me tell you how great the Epe

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Canyon event was this past weekend.
That hasn't happened yet. That's the thing

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about podcasts. I'd love to tell
you all about the eight Canyon event,

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but I can't do it because it
hasn't happened yet. But this weekend,

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man, you know what's going to
happen. To say it's awesome, just

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say it happened. I can say
that it is awesome. I can say

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that it is awesome because of all
the people that are going to be here.

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You sure you can't come up,
Bubs dog, I go down to

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see my pops. He's not doing
too Oh yeah, yeah, that is

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more important, I guess. But
well, you'll be missed. A lot

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of good people are going to be
here. So we'll take pictures and I'll

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talk about it all. I'm sure
I'll talk for half an hour about it

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next time we get together. So
anything else going on before we get into

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the episode here. Oh, I
received an email from I got Washington.

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I'm looking at it right now.
I haven't talked to him yet, but

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I just left the message back.
He thinks he might have got sick and

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some kind of scabies like rash from
collecting bigfoot hair samples. Oh, I've

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heard something about that sick. What
was that kernel over in the Soviet Union

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during the war in nineteen forty one, Colonel whatever. They captured that almasty

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and they said it was really hot. They had to keep it outside because

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it was overheat in the room,
and that it was like five degrees celsius.

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It would be like panting and acting
like I had heat stroke, you

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know that one? And it had
two. They discovered two kinds of lice

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on it that was unknown. That
sounds something I don't remember the details,

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but that sounds vaguely familiar. Oh
yeah, yeah, I know that.

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I know for Sure'm right on everything
I said so far. It was forty

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one or forty three. It was
during World War Two, and they thought

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it was some kind of spy.
It was a six foot tall, like

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Neanderthal kind of guy. They discovered
two parasites on that were not known in

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the catalogs of of any documented species
of that. So I was wondering if

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be something like that could have actually
transferred him some kind of parasite like a

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scae, because he said, it's
like scamies, but it's not well,

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what are you going to do with
that? Are you going to follow up

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on it? Or what are you
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called them to see it's you know, what's going on. I was gonna,

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you know, contact Doug and Jeff
and because Doug's interested in the secretions

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and that sort of stuff. And
also there was the young lady LaVerne's granddaughter

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who when she touched the Bigfoot,
got the oil on her hands, and

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then she rubbed her face and rubbed
her eyes, and she her eyes turned

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completely bloodshot. She went blind for
a couple of days. He had to

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take her to Seattle and they never
figured it out, but her vision went

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from twenty twenty to twenty two hundred
like within a matter of days. From

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touching the big she went when she
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at the street light, she walked
up and touched it, and she realized

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it was one of the squatches and
it stood up. It was like close

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to seven foot tall, and then
it walked off or whatever. She ran

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away screaming. But when she was
crying and screaming, she robed her eyes

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and that she said the smell was
horrible and when whatever she touched, it

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would stink to where she touched.
And she was rubbing the tears from her

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eyes trying to see the what showed
her eyes. The more blurry they got,

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she kept rubbing them, rubbing them, and she just robed that oil

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in her eyes and it screwed her
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Optometrist, Yeah, I just can't
see touching a Sasquatch. I know.

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She's one of the few people I've
talked to people that are like, you

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know, bumped in them or whatever, had them touch them, like when

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they were sleeping or through a tent
or something like that. But you had

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to touch, actually feel the hairy, oily skin and hairs. That's pretty

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rare. Oh, and something else
that happened, Uh, this is just

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yesterday. I popped. I popped
in the museum for oh, because I

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was going for the walk, you
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yesterday. So around noon or something
like that, I dropped by to pick

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up one of the video cameras because
that's one of the rules that I have

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for myself is that I always bring
a video camera with me, because you

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can't film one if you don't have
a camera, so and I don't want

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to, you know, if I
have my phone or a video camera,

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I'd rather have a video camera frankly
for doing that sort of thing. So

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I always walk with the video camera
in my hand. And also, if

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anything good happens I find a print
or something, I can document it for

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the you know, for either my
own use or I can make a video

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for my museum members or something.
But anyway, I dropped by the museum

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and guess who shows up. Basically
the whole band of drummers from Chiliquin from

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the Klamath episode down there in the
climat. Oh really yeah, yeah,

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all those people were there. The
Johnson's I think the name was. One

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of the women said that she she
texted you when she found footprints or something

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when they're camping. I think it
was yeah, yeah, yeah, she's

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talking. I guess she's in contact
with you to some degree. I gave

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her my number and she said she
was going to text me, and I

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haven't received it, so I hope
and I gave the right number. I

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mean, I'm a little dyslexic sometimes
I know I've given my number wrong out

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incorrectly, So if you're listening,
I'm sorry if I that, but I

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haven't. I haven't received a text
from yet. Yeah, I told her

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like, oh, you know,
I you can't get a hold a Bobo.

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I live about as far away from
you as he does, so you

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know, Bobo can't make it down. I'm happy to come down and cast

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prints or something like that. Yeah, but they were in yesterday so I

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hung out with them for a while
and it was great. They were really

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nice people and they had a lot
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and caught up about the Bigfoot stuff
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out by Yams Mountain and all that
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When I lost all that weight,
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double X talls and you know,
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forty ways, and a bunch of
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actually triple X too, and then
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that fantas. Here this stuff,
you guys can have all this stuff.

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There's stuff they brought him, like
several boxes of stuff. So they probably

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look like bows walking around like from
the show, because you know, I

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had that seven had like seven shirts
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yeah, yeah, And of course
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our listening audience, we had to
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episode. That because you don't film
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on television. You know, like
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it seems to during the episode.
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nine days or eight days or whatever. You have to wear the same

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clothing so they can edit it together
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something happens immediately afterwards, supposedly,
you know, because remember TV's a lie

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basically, you know, at the
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one expedition that is portrayed as such. We don't arrive and then go do

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this, and then go do this. It almost never happens in that same

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order, So in order to piece
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look like it's the same. And
which is why you know, we're all

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wearing the same clothes, even though
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it's three days later. It's because
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same clothing. Like I always wear
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button down, and I would just
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because that's why I sweat on underneath
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so Bobo would have a bunch of
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A little behind the screen. TV
nonsense for you, Plus how I was

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spilling stuff on my clothes. I
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We never did get you a bib, did we. No, that was

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the stupidest thing. I should have
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saved me a lot of trouble.
Well, it's not too late. You

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can still get a bib. I
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I don't know where I think cretive
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is unbecoming. Stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

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We'll be right back after these messages. So what we got going on today,

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it's just you and I hanging out. No guests today is what we

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call our topical episodes, where you
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Pruet or somebody we're even take submissions
from the audience too. Sometimes, whenever

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there's a newspaper article of some sort
that we think is interesting in some sort

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of way, generally tangential to Sasquatch
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important, that you know, is
thought provoking and interesting in some sort of

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way, we send it to We
send it to Matt Prue and he archives

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it because I don't know about you, Bobo, but I quickly forget about

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them. So Matt Pruitt saves all
these things, and then once every blue

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moon we get together and we kind
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to see what we have to say
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a number of articles today to kind
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over these last few months or whatever
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these. Should we jump in with
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is there one you want to start
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sasquatch called curious hunter. I don't
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supposed I don't get that all the
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let's take a look at these because
our listening audience doesn't know the article yet.

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I think I read this thing on
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think, and the gist, well, the title of this one is watching

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Washington Sheriff receives bizarre sasquatch call from
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inquired about the legality of hunting a
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I mean, is that a bizarre
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in most people's world it might be
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So this is about from about two
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in Stevens County in eastern Washington,
the sheriff's received a phone call from a

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man who is out who's going to
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a sasquatch. Basically, apparently,
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the caller told the police said he
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and sometime in mid April, and
he wanted to hunt in the Big Meadow

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Lake area of northern Washington. The
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it's like, well, you should
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you know, But he said,
well, but apparently he had already

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called the Fish and Game and they
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love it already. Yeah, So
basically the man's man's concern is that he

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wanted to be legal while he was
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area because he wasn't sure. He
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hunts were unclear. Oh I just
love this. There's nothing about this that

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doesn't make me giggle a little bit. I guess killing a sasquach would make

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me giggle very much. Yeah,
well, you know, do you have

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a dark sense of humor though?
Yeah, but still this, I just

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love this whole thing. So yeah, he called, and he asked whether

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or not shooting a sasquatch was illegal
in Stevens County and whether a regular hunting

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license was enough to keep his sasquatch
hunt above board legally because he did.

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And he also said he went out
of its way, saying, but be

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clear, I'm not gonna hunt or
kill a female sasquatch. That's the part

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I like, Well, it makes
sense because you know in Washington, you

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know, in Pacific northwestle East,
you're not allowed to kill male or a

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female deer. A lot of other
places in the country I think you can,

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though, Oh yeah, dude,
like West Virginia you can kill six

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or seven the year. Yeah,
but it been in our in our neck

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of the woods, you can only
kill bucks. So I mean, I

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guess that question does make some sense
from his perspective, right, Yeah,

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for sure. I like how he's
like real, like he's like he didn't

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want to get caught into their bureaucracy, like like flim flying, Like he's

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trying to be very clear and explicit
because you know, just you know,

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we've all gone through the government regulation
kind of whatever trying to get see what's

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permissible or not. You're just getting
running around looped and loot and you're like,

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well I was told this, and
like too bad. This is what

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it's really the deal. So anyway, the Stevens County sheriff office, he

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called the called the man back,
I guess, and he explained that Meadow

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Lake where the guy wanted to go
hunting, was actually in nearby penned Orville

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count or Raville County Sheriff's jurisdiction,
and that there is no sasquatch in Stevens

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County. Oh, recall, he's
a lying. Yeah, I know what's

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up with that. Stevens County,
Washington. Okay, I'm looking at a

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map right now. Oh it's Caulville, the Calville res Bossburg is in Stevens.

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No sasquatch in their county. Oh, that's a big dud of the

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sheriff's out there, guys. Law
enforcement is a good thing, right.

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My dad was a cop, et
cetera. You know, I have a

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lot of support and a lot of
admiration for these people. You know,

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they have the hardest job in the
world, and politically, you know,

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tumultuous climate and yeah, generally good
people, you know. But to say

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that there are no sasquatch in Stevens
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I hate to say it, and
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of law enforcement people probably listen to
this podcast. Clearly you're you agree with

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me on this. There are sasquatches
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sidings out there. Yeah, ridiculous
statement. And really, if I was

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told that by an authority, I
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I would just do what I wanted
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and by the way, he goes
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no sasquatches in Stephens County, but
we know this because one of our deputies

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would have accidentally hit one with the
patrol car by now right, Well,

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that doesn't say very much for their
deputies, does it, Like, really,

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what are they? Are they hiring
the Keystone cops or something like?

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What is going on here? If
you're in a walk around in a gorilla

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seat up there in Steven's County get
hit by a sheriff killed, they would

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have eventually accidentally run you over by
Now does that make it so? I

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guess the logical the logical conclusion to
that statement is that our deputies have now

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run over and killed on accident every
species of animal that lives here. And

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the fact that we have not run
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there are no Sasquatches in Stevens County. Logic, I guess. And then,

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of course, you know, the
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okay, they quote the Matts Group, the BFRO, The BFRO says there's

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seven hundred and eight credible sightings or
something in Washington, and say, well,

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there's a lot more than that.
Two zero's probably oh yeah, yeah,

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just lots and lots more than that, because I mean, I mean,

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I have one hundred and fifty myself
in the last four years, you

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know, reports coming into the museum
from jess Oregon and Washington. And that's

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four years, and Matt's been doing
stuff since ninety five. It's just said

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that a lot of people don't tell, a lot of people don't tell.

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County that proclaimed the entire area a
sasquatch refuge. And of course you can't

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talk about the law in anyway with
Bigfoot without mentioning this Comania County ordinance.

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Although I think they have some of
the numbers wrong there. It was in

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sixty nine that they made this Comania
County Ordans and it was a ten thousand

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dollars fine, even though this article
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nineteen eighty four, where I believe
they rewrote it and the fine went down

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significantly. No, went down.
Wait, it says not to exceed ten

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thousand or imprisonment in kind of jail
for five years. Yeah, that was

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the original sixty nine version that says
it later changed the law to state that

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any permitted, premeditated will full or
wanton slang of any such creature Shelby deaned

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of fell any puns will I fine
not to exceed ten thousand and or imprisonment

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for kind of jail for five years. Okay, I'm on it. Let

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me find it. The first in
sixty nine was one thousand dollars fine a

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year in jail. Then they up
to ten thousand and five years. I

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feel they got that backwards. One
does government lower fees and fines. Oh

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that's true, that's true. Okay, I'm just going to let my search

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option to do the thing. So
when I run across the information, I'll

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give it to you. But nonetheless, so Anyway, that was a news

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item that crossed the desk and I
thought was kind of fun. And I've

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got to applaud that person. He
wants to do right by the law.

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He doesn't want to abuse the recent
of huntable sasquatches. I guess he's not

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going to take a female one or
a young one. I think that's very

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admirable as well. Wonder but you
know April is right now, he's probably

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out there now, call in buddy, Yeah, it's probably. I think

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he's a listener, undoubtedly, undoubtedly
everywhere. I think we are the world's

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biggest podcast now first or second.
Yeah, I think I think Rogan's looking

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at us and going, man,
I wish we had the Bigfoot audience.

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Yeah, he blew it. Weren't
you on Rogan or something? What was

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your running with more than ten years
ago? Twelve years ago or something like

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that? You did the podcast or
that TV show he had for a minute

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or what it was a podcast?
It's not one of the same one,

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but I guess it was pretty new
back then. I didn't even really know.

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I mean I'd heard a podcast and
didn't really care about him, and

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then my agent was all excited,
going dude, Joe Rowan, He's like

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a big fan and he listened all
the time, and it was it was

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first getting big. But to me, he was just like, like,

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here's the guy out on Fear Factor. I like him because of I've seen

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him on the UFC, like the
fight stuff. But like I, I

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was not a fan of his comedy
at all. I didn't know anything about

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the guy. And then he was
he was cool dude. He invited me

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back three different times. I was
invited back. And this sounds so stupid,

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but like I was running around a
lot. I'd be in LA and

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I'd forget to call him, like
he goes just dropping whatever day he can

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come by, like all right,
yeah. Then I'd be done there for

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like three or four days and I'd
be running around and I just forget.

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Or one time I remember, but
then it was like I would have to

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drive out there in traffic. I'm
like, I'm not driving across LA and

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traffic, no way. Speaking of
comedians who love Bobo today, I posted

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this for our membership today, but
it popped up in my Facebook memories that

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on basically this day, fourteen years
ago is when we wrapped the shoot for

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Strange days with Bob Saggat, and
so all those photos popped up in my

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memory, so I shared a few
of them with the patrons. But Sagate

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really loved Bobo too. Bobo,
you have that effect on comedians. I

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gave him a lot of material.
It's fun to hang out so they can

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say something downe they can make fun
of. I thought about that earlier when

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you objected to Cliff say bigfoot nerds, because that was like one of my

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first memories of that trip was us
standing around in Cliff telling Saget, we're

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all a bunch of big foot nerds, and you said, I'm not a

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nerd. I'm effing cool. Go
back and listen to episode one one,

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folks, if you want to hear
the story behind that episode. Yeah,

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and actually, if you want to
hear Bobo on Joe Rogan, it's episode

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00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:26.319
two forty one. Oh is that
what it is? Okay? Yeah,

407
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.079
I just looked it up, so
that's rare. He's at two thousand something

408
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.079
now, So I was, yeah, where I think it was twenty twelve.

409
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:34.359
It said, right, it doesn't
have the date on here. It

410
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.599
just says, I mean it probably
has it somewhere on here. But I

411
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.960
don't look at episode two forty one. I think Joe Rogan probably owes you

412
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.200
with thanks for getting the Bobo bump. You know, yeah, undoubtedly.

413
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.160
It's just so unfortunate that he,
you know who, he went bigfooting would

414
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.359
turned him off so bad because if
he would have had a big Foot encounter,

415
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.920
Dude, just imagine how much frickin'
that would have done for the research,

416
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.559
you know, I just people like, I mean, he he has

417
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.079
he I mean, he has so
many contacts. Like if Roan was looking

418
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.680
for Bigfoot, the raytheon Flair that
I'll be going, what do you need?

419
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.839
What do you need? Like what
you like? It'd be like finding

420
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.960
Bigfoot times one hundred, like like
the stuff they hooked us up. What

421
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.039
they would have done. I mean, if it was an audience, I

422
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:19.079
think they would have just been over
backwards. Didn't he talk to Meldrum because

423
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.119
I know that he had Dan Akroyd
on there at some point talking about UFOs,

424
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.839
And I just saw the clip that
Ackroyd was saying. Rogan is saying

425
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.160
that big Bigfoot is nonsense, it
doesn't exist, blah blah blah, and

426
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.519
he goes, no, no,
there's science, there's no science, But

427
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.079
no, there is that. Dan
Akrod said there's a guy, doctor Jeff

428
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:41.880
Meldrum, and yeah, because uh, I guess dan Akroyd's very aware of

429
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.880
doctor Jeff Meldrim. And in fact, now that I'm talking speaking out loud

430
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:51.039
of Spring to Memory, I believe
that doctor Meldrum borrowed one of dan Ackroyd's

431
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:55.359
shirts or vice versa, for some
TV appearance that they were both. Yeah,

432
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:59.319
there's a story out there of that
as well. So crazy little world

433
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:02.880
we live in. Yeah, Oh, Bobcat's coming here for a four to

434
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.799
twenty show. Oh is he the
Humboldt Huh? Yeah, you should.

435
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.839
You should go see him. I
was thinking I think I should. Yeah.

436
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:12.240
His his comedy act is hilarious.
We saw him when he was in

437
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.839
town last year. He's so fricking
funny, Like I never thought he was

438
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.960
funny on TV or movies, but
his well, his movies not like the

439
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:25.200
Police Academy. So just to be
clear, though you think Police Academy's funny,

440
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.079
No, I thought Bobcat's character was
not funny at all, all right,

441
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.640
just checking because he owns all those
movies, he owns them. Yeah,

442
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.200
yeah, he's like the executive producer. I believe for them, really,

443
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.279
no, I believe so yeah,
that could be wrong, but as

444
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.119
always always fast think at Wendy City
Heat and Shakes the Clown, which we

445
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:49.559
got to give a plug to like
it's both I think probably to One of

446
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:55.440
our favorite movies ever is Wendy City
Heat by Bob Cackle. That's so good.

447
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:57.519
I've never seen it. I should
check it out. Oh so good.

448
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.680
Oh it's free on YouTube. That's
where Bobcat told me to watch it.

449
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.240
Yeah. The premise of of course, is there's a guy that's obnoxious,

450
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:11.720
comedian Perry something, I forget his
name, and they everybody around him

451
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.960
plays a joke on him because he's
so obnoxious. Apparently he's sealing other comedians

452
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.119
work and like telling their jokes on
stage. That's what I gather, at

453
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.680
least I've told something like that.
He's like a thorn in the side of

454
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.319
a lot of comedians out there,
because you know, he's just kind of

455
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.160
a pain the ass in some ways. But so everybody decides to do a

456
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.240
joke on him, and for everybody
like Jimmy Kimmel, I think, is

457
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.799
one of the executive producers of this, So there's some money behind it,

458
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:41.400
and they all pretend that he gets
He goes on an addition on audition to

459
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.720
be like an action star, like
a Swartzenegger sort of sized action star in

460
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.839
this in this movie or whatever,
and the whole thing is a gag on

461
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.519
him. And they filmed this this
blockbuster action movie in two weeks, and

462
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.440
he goes to the premiere and it's
just hilarious. The whole thing is just

463
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.880
a joke on this guy. And
apparently people in his life are actually pretending

464
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:10.599
to assume other ultra IDs ultra identities
and just interact with them regularly then as

465
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:12.880
characters. I don't know, it's
kind of a weird thing. But Bobcat

466
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:17.079
told me that he loves the movie, but it was the one movie he

467
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:22.000
wouldn't let his girlfriend watch because because
he didn't want her to think that he's

468
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.599
an asshole. Yeah, because it's
up for you go. Well, I

469
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.799
got super deep into it, Like
I looked up all these YouTube clips from

470
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:33.039
way back in the day, like
as the groundwork of the Giant prank that

471
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.519
the movie is like watching all the
groundwork and the follow up stuff with the

472
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.440
guy, and it's just it's so
many layers. It's like layers and layers

473
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.359
like Russian nesting dolls. You know, you keep like no way and then

474
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.559
you dig a little deeper. There's
a whole another little gem in there.

475
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.839
It's like it's I went down the
rabbit hole in that one that was.

476
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:56.240
It's so brilliant. Yeah, fantastic
movie, Win d City Heat. You

477
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:57.920
can watch it for free on YouTube. That's where Bobcat told me to watch

478
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:00.960
it, so I don't feel too
bad, but recommending people watch it there.

479
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:07.799
So stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll

480
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:17.720
be right back after these messages.
What about those toes spacers, Cliff,

481
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.599
if you try on that, that's
one one of the articles that can cross

482
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:25.000
my desk that I thought was kind
of interesting. There's a I guess a

483
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:29.960
fitness fat or a wellness tool that
is kind of popping out right now,

484
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.400
and it is basically spacers for your
toes to spread them out so you'll have

485
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:41.519
a much wider to splay than you
normally would. Of Course, as you've

486
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.960
probably heard people talk about, because
most of our listeners are interested in the

487
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:49.079
Bigfoot thing, human feet are kind
of scrunched in the shoes all the time.

488
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.440
In fact, if you take off
your shoes or next time you do,

489
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.640
take off your shoes and you look
at your fifth digit, your tiny

490
00:30:55.720 --> 00:31:00.279
toe, your little tiny toe,
it is curled underneath the other one to

491
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.279
it, And that's from wearing shoes
for the most part. And you know,

492
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.920
shoving you your five digits into a
pair of shoes is good because we

493
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.960
can step on rocks without you know, or legos for that matter, without

494
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:17.160
debilitating ourselves. But at the same
time, our feet were made in such

495
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:18.440
a way for a reason, you
know, evolution did its thing, and

496
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.519
our feet that were made for navigating
the landscape in various ways, including doing

497
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.559
a little bit of gripping like in
sasquatch FETs, you know sasquatch feet.

498
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.680
The toes splay widely in grip the
ground in various ways where running up and

499
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.480
down hills or then there's toest sliding. It acts as some sort of a

500
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.680
break in some in some ways.
Well, now you can get these things,

501
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.720
these little spacers to shove in between
your toes, just spread them out

502
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.839
a bit. Basically that gives you
some sort of toes splay, and apparently

503
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.960
that's good for you. That's good
for you. In some sort of ways,

504
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:53.119
because you know, shoving your feet
in the shoes can cause a lot

505
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:59.799
of strange foot anomalies like foot pain
in various ways. So these foot spacers,

506
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.039
the whiter toast play give the people
like a better sense of balance.

507
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.920
They alleviate a lot of the foot
pain that some people they don't. They

508
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.799
won't cure the pain, you know, they won't do anything about bunions or

509
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.000
something like that. But for some
people who are maybe looking at surgery or

510
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.799
something, these might actually be helpful. And they cost about thirty bucks or

511
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.359
less. I'm not endorsing them.
I never tried them or anything like that,

512
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.319
But I don't know, Bobs,
what do you think? Is this

513
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:29.240
something for you? Yeah? Actually
I'm going to try it because my feet

514
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:34.559
are thrashed. Yeah. It reminds
me of remember when when we first started

515
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.440
doing the show. I think it
was like season one, that there's that

516
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:43.599
big fat about wearing those like they're
almost like wet suit booties with individual toes.

517
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.480
Oh yeah, the vibrum Vibrum shoes
is what those are called. Yeah,

518
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.440
they and never Money make her wear
them all the time. He's like,

519
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.880
oh, it's so great for your
back. It came out like a

520
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.039
year later. It tears that it
was totally the opposite. It was bad

521
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:58.400
for you, like, but everyone
was doing that trend for a while.

522
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.200
Yeah, money Maker brought a pair
of those on the road, so I

523
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.720
had him. I had him walk
through the mud, and I documented his

524
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.240
footprints so I can try to teach
me a little bit about the difference between

525
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.640
bibrooms and sasquatch feet. Should I
have run across something, I'm not ju

526
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.200
I'm not so sure about that was
there for I never forget him running down

527
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:20.480
the We were late for a plane
and he was running through the terminal and

528
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.640
it was just going slap. Everyone's
looking at it because his feet was like

529
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.839
the loudest thing in the whole busy
airport was mondy to his feet slapping in

530
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.440
those five toed shoe things. I
thought you were going to tell this story

531
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.279
about when we went and got fitted
for some clothes or something for finding Bigfoot,

532
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.039
and you found out that your shoe
size was actually one larger than what

533
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:43.160
you've been buying for the last fifteen
years, dude, longer than fifteen Yeah,

534
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.640
you were wearing the wrong size shoe. You're into your entire life and

535
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:51.319
wondering why your feet hurt. Yeah, so I was wear flip flops.

536
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.680
You're really something bothes. I'll never
forget that feeling, like I was like,

537
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.000
because I remember, like I looked
at the girl as with and she

538
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.759
said, you were just totally shocked. Your eyes were bated. He said,

539
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.039
now I know why people wear shoes. I got a pair of fourteens.

540
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.920
It's pretty great because like, how
can people wear these things? They

541
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.719
suck, They just crap their feet. And anyways, now you know,

542
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.800
well, apparently I look forward to
you getting some of these because you do

543
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.519
have brother large feet. You know, they're pretty wide, they're they're not

544
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.000
a real high arch or anything.
Yeah. And so the people who are

545
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:30.639
buying these toes spacers say that it
improves their toet strength. And most people

546
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.039
don't think about their toe strength obviously, because we're buried in shoes and we

547
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.239
live a kind of quote unquote modern
life. But man, your toes are

548
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.599
there for a reason. Your toes
are appendages, you know, that you

549
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.480
use for various things, and we've
kind of shut all that down, we've

550
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:51.440
neglected that part of us. In
some ways, I think it's important personally

551
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.320
to go barefoot as much as you
can, and at least in the summertime.

552
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.400
You know, I think there's something
about putting your feet in contact with

553
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.960
the ground that to me at least
just feels good, feels right. They've

554
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.679
proved it scientifically. Do you know
anything about the studies or anything, just

555
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.639
something about, uh, your feet
can absorb it, like the like trace

556
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:14.039
minerals part of it, just the
contact with the grass and all the textures

557
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:19.719
and just not having like it's that
we evolved the walk on them without shod

558
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.639
feet. So it makes sense.
Oh, it totally makes sense. You

559
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.480
know, one of the people they
interviewed for this article is a professional surfer

560
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.480
and back in your surfingties. Can
you imagine what better grip and better toes

561
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.360
splay and better balance and stronger toes
would effect that would have on your surfing?

562
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.480
Do you do? I remember surfing
this one really long point break like

563
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:45.280
it went forever. Let's never forget
how bad my toes ache, like all

564
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.440
those little ligaments and tendons, because
you see, you're not surfing for like

565
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.320
two minutes straight, you know,
like where you're pumping your because when you're

566
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.599
pumping on the board, you're it's
all toes pretty much, you know,

567
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.760
in your arch, but your toes
mainly is just your grip and like you

568
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:05.159
know, you're you know, just
scratching to hold out your toes and and

569
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.440
yeah, I was sure like my
cat muscles and everything were like totally like

570
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.519
worked out. I was like,
holy, I was shocked by that.

571
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.840
Yeah, I'm not a bit surprised. You know. One of the the

572
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.599
take homes for takeaways, I guess
for me with studying Sasquatch feed is their

573
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.199
to display and how they use their
toes in various ways. Because it's true.

574
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.480
I remember seeing a documentary years ago
and Meldrum was on the documentary,

575
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:31.840
and of course I almost everything I
know about feet came from doctor Meldrum,

576
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.800
you know, and and just looking
at hearing what he said, then looking

577
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.519
at the casts and you know,
and trying to and look and trying to

578
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:43.320
decipher and like really put that into
practice when I'm looking at actual evidence,

579
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.920
you know, So I give credit
where credit is due. Jeff is you

580
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.280
know, he calls me his padawan, and I think that's totally fine,

581
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.079
totally is totally fine with me because
most of everything I know about Sasquatch feet

582
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.199
I learned from him. But one
of the things I remember years ago,

583
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:59.719
I was watching a documentary and he
was commenting on on sasquatch feet and he

584
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:05.199
calmned that their toes are almost every
bit as long as our fingers are,

585
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.320
and therefore should have about the same
level of apprehension as well, you know,

586
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:13.440
prehensilism, I guess if that's the
right word, And that's a big

587
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.880
takeaway. Imagine like walking on your
hands, and what use your fingers would

588
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.280
be, you know what I mean, Like they would have a lot of

589
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.159
use in the ground if your toes
were that long. And that's the way

590
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.960
sasquatch feed are, so their toes
must be an integral part of their locomotion

591
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.599
on some way, even though they
don't push off with the toes when they're

592
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:35.960
striding around like humans do. We
push off with the toes, and then

593
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.360
the front part of the ball,
which like what is called the heads of

594
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:43.679
the metatarsals, they push off with
the entire first half of the foot,

595
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.079
like mostly to the base of the
metatarsals. Then entire forefoot. They're pushing

596
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.519
off with that, but still day
to day, day and day out,

597
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.599
especially in the terrain they live in
their toes must have a lot of grabbing

598
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:01.000
and gripping and stabilizing factors involved in
them, just like purpose their toes.

599
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:07.559
He probably play a huge part in
them getting around, and we've lost that.

600
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.239
We've lost that. Not that our
toes are as cool and long as

601
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.119
they are theirs are, But how
would that be man? Just like a

602
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.440
human foot with toes as long as
fingers. That'd be pretty scary looking,

603
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.559
be pretty cool, right But anyway, Yeah, when I think about that,

604
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.440
I look, when I saw this, that's the first thing that came

605
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.000
to my mind. It's like,
well, sasquatches use their toes all over

606
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.119
the place for all sorts of things. How cool would it be if we

607
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.760
could regain that somehow? Now,
of course, these these little jobbers that

608
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.519
you put on your in between your
toes, they're not going to do that

609
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.840
right away, and it's going to
take a long long time if they work

610
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:37.679
at all. I don't know if
they work. I haven't tried them.

611
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:42.800
But still I thought it was a
cool article that maybe I could bring to

612
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.199
somebody's attention. So there you go. Well, there's a couple more articles

613
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:51.400
here, and one I definitely want
to get to is this one. This

614
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.599
version here this particular, because this
is all over the news, all over

615
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.280
the news, right at least all
over night my news feed, you know,

616
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.719
because people know the algorithm knows what
I like. This one is from

617
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:07.559
science dot org. Basically, you
may remember Bobo last year year before.

618
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.000
I think it was two years ago. In July. Two new species of

619
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:17.679
humans were described in journals the same
month. One of them was called Homo

620
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.880
long Guy, and the other one
was found in Israel. But I don't

621
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:23.599
remember what the name of it was
because it didn't have the sexy name that

622
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:30.079
Homo long Guy has, because Homo
long Guy was immediately dubbed dragon man,

623
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:36.639
and that's a pretty sexy name for
a hominy scored totally. But the downside

624
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:38.960
of that is that the other species, the one that was discovered in Israel,

625
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.000
and I can't remember the name of
that one kind of lost in the

626
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.639
shovel because it didn't have such a
cool name. But anyway, we're not

627
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.679
talking about that other one. We're
talking about dragon Man here. We're talking

628
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.400
about Homo long Guy. Or maybe
it's long Jive, but I bet it's

629
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.760
long Guy. I don't really know. I think it's long e like I

630
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:58.920
think the I in that sort of
Latin phraseology is an e sound. I

631
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.360
could be wrong, though, that
makes sense because in Spanish AE, you

632
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.639
know, and Spanish is a Latin
derived language. That does make it's a

633
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:07.920
long gi. I like it.
I'll go with that. Yeah. So

634
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.199
anyway, Homo loongi was discovered about
a year or two ago in the Middle

635
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.400
East, I believe, or no, it's in China, my mistake,

636
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.760
China, and oh new species.
That's cool, that's cool, and everybody

637
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.440
was, you know, all the
Twitter about it, including myself. I

638
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.199
was pretty stoked on it, because
you know, I do like paleoanthropology.

639
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:34.400
But but new evidence apparently has brought
to light that these are almost certainly an

640
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:40.280
already known species that we had no
craniums for now. The Homo lungi fossil

641
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:44.039
was a cranium, and it's a
pretty big one. It's pretty cool,

642
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.559
very heavy in a lot of ways. It had very neanderthal esque in some

643
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.920
ways. It had a brow ridge
that was pretty prominent. Apparently, apparently

644
00:40:53.320 --> 00:41:00.719
the new evidence has tied Homolonghi to
the elusive Homo Denis or Denis Evans.

645
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:02.880
I'm not sure I would say that
one either, because I've only read it.

646
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.239
That's the problem with being well read
is sometimes I don't know how to

647
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.400
read things, but I don't know
how to say them. But anyway,

648
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:15.239
yeah, that now, of course, homodenis ovan, they were a a

649
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.280
species discovered I don't even know how
long ago went, five ten years ago

650
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:24.760
or something, and they were discovered
through DNA. They in a cave they

651
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.480
found a phalangy a fingerbone, and
they thought that that fingerbone was a Neanderthal,

652
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:36.280
but upon DNA testing, they found
out it was not. It was

653
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:42.679
a new species of hominin. And
so that's how Homo denisovan came to our

654
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.159
attention. And since then they've gotten
another bone somewhere. They went back in

655
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.559
the museum archives and they discovered that
they've been sitting on a jawbone of a

656
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.079
homodenisovan since I think the eighties.
They just didn't recognize it as such.

657
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:59.880
They thought it was they attributed it
to another species. But you know,

658
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.639
a couple of tiny little bones and
DNA. I think they also got e

659
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.760
DNA out of the ground of a
cave, if I remember correctly, and

660
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:15.039
that's an if, but I'm pretty
sure we got homodenusovan DNA from E DNA,

661
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.960
and so that's pretty cool too.
But this new paper is mind blowing

662
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.880
because it has now tied a cranium
a skull to that species. And I

663
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:30.519
think that is just fantastic because Homodena
sovans, much like Neanderthals, were around

664
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:37.000
very very recently, very recently,
and also humans apparently in are bred with

665
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:42.239
them. We all have heard about
how Neanderthals have inner bred with Homo sapiens.

666
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.880
I know that when I got my
parents' DNA tests done for their birthday

667
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.360
for Christmas. Rather, I got
both of them done for Christmas about ten

668
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:55.039
years ago or so, and my
dad showed up as one point seven percent.

669
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.239
Of course, I know that these
twenty three and me things are rather

670
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.159
inaccurate in some ways. You know, I don't think it would hold.

671
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:04.599
You know, it's not nothing you
would take to a PhD in biology and

672
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.880
you know, go to Courtover or
something like that. But it's you know,

673
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.960
my dad had to slightly higher than
normal content of the andandertall, which

674
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.559
I'm always thrilled to hear. But
homodenisovans also enter bread apparently that they live

675
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:22.800
in the Tibetan Plateau and amongst other
places in Asia, and the people of

676
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:30.079
Tibet today apparently have a rather large
percentage comparably speaking of Homodenosovan DNA in them,

677
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:35.400
which is part of the reason they
are so successful at high altitudes.

678
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:39.119
Like a larger lung capacity is one
of the benefits, I guess have happened

679
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:43.400
a little bit of Denisavan India.
Yeah, one of you, because they

680
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.880
they mentioned like it seemed like that
they found like the spread of the species

681
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.519
as far as like the Denisovans,
like with the improved lung capacity. There's

682
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:59.840
that tribe down in the Philippines,
the water people whatever, like they live

683
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:05.519
on the water on houseboats permanently,
and they dive. And these guys can

684
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.440
dive like they've clocked it up to
thirteen minutes. They can hold their breath.

685
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:13.159
I'm sure there's some kind of link
there. Well, it's going to

686
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.760
be interesting to see if they can
actually conclusively tie this that. There's a

687
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.960
little bit of obvious science, right, So science is an ever ever more

688
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:22.599
accurate thing, and you know,
you got to start out some pretty fuzzy

689
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:29.760
guesses before you narrow down what's actually
going on. But these might that Homolongi

690
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.719
might actually be a Denisovin, and
I think that's kind of cool. I

691
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:36.920
don't think it's set in stone yet, but that's definitely something I'm going to

692
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:42.199
be watching because as bigfoot researchers,
I think all of this should be probably

693
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:47.119
interested in human evolution to some degree, and the idea that a lot of

694
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:53.239
these human species, those that share
our same genus, the homo group,

695
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:59.400
hominids or hominid hominid day or whatever
it's called. I'm sure the PhDs that

696
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.079
are listening to as you're going,
Oh, Cliff, Cliff, you gotta

697
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:06.239
take a Latin class, but I'm
sorry, I'm sorry, doctors. But

698
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:12.079
anyway, these recent members of our
family, the hominins, you know,

699
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:16.320
the recent hominins, are of great
interest up to us because it's very likely

700
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.159
that some of them are still persisting
somewhere in the world. You know,

701
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.679
I don't think sasquatches are Denisovans or
Neanderthals or anything like that. I think

702
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.599
that there's something else. But what
about those amistes, you know, what

703
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.079
about omistes or some of the other
more far flung things, say in Western

704
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:35.440
Asia or Eastern Europe, I think
that those have a real possibility to be

705
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:40.599
some sort of relictive species of Neanderthal
or Denisovan or god knows what. God

706
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.679
knows what. There's our family tree
keeps branching out further and further and further.

707
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:51.079
Every year, it seems there's another
discovery in palaeoanthropology that shakes the shakes,

708
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.920
the textbooks loose, you know.
So an exciting time to be into

709
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:59.960
this sort of thing. Certainly it
is stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond

710
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:08.440
with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be
right back after these messages. But you

711
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:13.320
know, I think we have one
more, one more article we can delve

712
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.840
into before we go to our member
section, chem trails. Chem trails an

713
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:22.079
attack of the vapors exactly. Now, Bobo, you know me, and

714
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.719
I think our listeners know me,
and I'm not much one for conspiracy theories,

715
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.599
and the chem trail one is to
me amongst the more ridiculous ones.

716
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:37.360
Well it's not. It's not totally
ridiculous. There there's I mean, obviously,

717
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.519
yeah, there's the usual, I
mean, you know, the water

718
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:44.880
evaporation and all that, But there
there was they admitted that they were doing

719
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:50.800
cloud seating experiments NASA in conjection with
the Air Force that they were they were

720
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.440
doing that. It's like some nickel
brumiter. I can't remember what it was,

721
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:59.960
but it was it was supposedly like
a reflective you know, reflective quality

722
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.159
they were doing testing. But yeah, all the all the commercial airliners know,

723
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.679
they're not all strapped with those tanks
spraying cam trails. Yeah, I've

724
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.199
seen those ones that people claim are
the like the camtrail ones that like don't

725
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.639
break up. I've seen this.
I've seen actually above Oregon like Central organ

726
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.880
I've seen them there and also here
over Humble a couple of times, and

727
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.239
like they look kind of different.
But I don't know, I mean,

728
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.519
I'm not. I just don't see
it. Like where were these planes if

729
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.159
they're not, If they're not attached
to commercial airliners, and I've flown enough

730
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.760
to know that they're not, they're
not. They're not seeing those things attached

731
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.320
to planes. And I have seen
the photos of them attached to like unmarked

732
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:43.480
planes like government or whatever, you
know, some whether it's Noah doing because

733
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.880
I heard a lot of it was
weather research and O, and then I

734
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.559
heard another one of it was they
were doing in experiments, and I heard

735
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.679
this from pretty well placed source that
it was a radar kind of radar.

736
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:59.559
It could bounce radar over the horizons, like if you had they they'd spread

737
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:05.280
this spray in the atmosphere than they
could and it was for so x amount

738
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:10.000
of time. They could very accurately
have a much further ranging radar for ship

739
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:15.639
ships. Well, Luckily, whether
whatever the truth is behind KEM trails,

740
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:17.239
and I think we you know,
I know how I feel. But anyway,

741
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.519
but luckily we have the Tennis We
have Tennessee helping us out here because

742
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:29.440
the I guess the legislator, the
Tennessee lawmakers have just recently passed a bill

743
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:35.440
banning the release of airborne chemicals that
critics say is inspired by KEM trail conspiracy

744
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:42.119
theories. We need more scientists in
position making laws in my opinion. But

745
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:46.599
anyway, yeah, so it is
now illegal. This law broadly prohibits a

746
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:52.239
quote unquote affecting temperature, weather,
or the intensity of sunlight. It is

747
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.840
signed by the governor. It is
a done deal and is going to effect

748
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:59.519
on July first. So if you're
afraid of KEM trails, Tennessee seems like

749
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.400
a really safe place for you because
it's now illegal to do that kind of

750
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:06.679
stuff there, So head on over
there. Well anyway, So yeah,

751
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.400
so Tennessee is now a safe place
if you're concerned about about KEM trails.

752
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.559
It's a lovely place. I've been
to Tennessee lots of times. I like

753
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.079
it there actually the best. Yeah. Yeah, but check this out.

754
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.199
There's a second part to this law. And I'm looking at the BBC by

755
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:25.320
the way, right now. The
legislation sponsor got a Monty Fritz. You

756
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:29.559
know that name, prut that is
not familiar, Okay, Well, he

757
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:31.280
called. He says that this law
is a very common sense thing to do,

758
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.039
and that it goes on. It
says, although several lawmakers mentioned KIM

759
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.000
trails while the bill was being discussed
during Friday's sessions, mister Fritz focused on

760
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:44.400
cloud seating, which is, you
know, something that actually did happen they

761
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:46.519
attempted to do. Right, everything
that goes up must come down. In

762
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:51.880
those chemicals that we are knowingly and
willingly injecting into the atmosphere simply to control

763
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.639
the weather or the climate are affecting
our health. Okay, fair enough,

764
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.119
fair enough, that would make sense. Right, But now check this out

765
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:04.679
in a joking response, John ray
Clemens, a Democrat from Nashville, do

766
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.079
you know that name, Matt prut
I do not. I treat attention the

767
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:13.079
same way I treat my nutrition,
and I try to only use my available

768
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.639
you know, calories and my budget
for healthy things, and same with my

769
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:20.239
attention. And most politics I don't
think fall into that category for me,

770
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.119
So I don't pay attention. Well, anyway, this John ray Clemens guy,

771
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:30.119
he introduced an amendment that would protect
sasquatches and yeties. This amendment would

772
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.559
make sure that we are protecting yetties
or sasquatch or bigfoot from whatever this conspiracy

773
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.880
is that we're passing in the legislation, he said during the debate. So,

774
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:43.199
yeah, unbelievable. The sasquatches,
which are real, are associated with

775
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.159
chm trails, which in my opinion
are not. Yeah, and then and

776
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.800
they go on to water this and
that. So cam trails are real,

777
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:52.519
Cliff, It's just that they're not. All the contrails are not chim trails.

778
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:54.599
Yeah. Well, water's a chemical. I guess that's true. It

779
00:50:54.639 --> 00:51:01.039
was actually not really a chemical,
I mean human and human induced. Well

780
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:05.760
said Well said, well, anyway, that's the last of the articles.

781
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:07.719
That's the last articles. Should we
go on to the member section because we

782
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:13.000
have a great topic to talk about
there indubitably, Now for our members,

783
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.679
you have something to look forward to. For our non members, you might

784
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.320
want to be a member it's cool
or be part of the end gang.

785
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786
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787
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.599
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788
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789
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790
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791
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.199
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792
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793
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794
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795
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.440
you as well. Let us know
if you want more advertising on the on

796
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:01.880
the member section, Boba and I
are gonna be and Matt Proud It's gonna

797
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.559
be. We're gonna be talking about, you know, everybody knows about the

798
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.039
Four Horsemen of Sasquatchry. Everybody knows, right, basically, the four old

799
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.199
men that kind of ran the whole
thing for a long time. They were

800
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:16.159
the head figures and there they've been
nicknamed the Four Horsemen of Sasquatchry, presumably

801
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:20.679
named after what is it, the
four Horsemen of the Apocalypse for some reason,

802
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.199
the four Horsemen of Notre Dame.
Oh I thought it was the Apocalypse

803
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:30.079
anyway. So we're gonna talk about
some of the people that we think might

804
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.440
be worthy of that same title,
People that we personally admire, people that

805
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:39.280
that we think that great work,
that probably deserve their face on the Mount

806
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:43.280
Rushmore a Bigfoot. But Bobo,
we're done. Why don't you take us

807
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.599
out of here? Watch this all
right? Folks, thanks for joining us

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