Show your support for the Untold Radio Network family of shows and joining in on
the conversation by using superstickers and super chats on YouTube. Got a question you
want answered, Ask it live via a super chat and get real time responses
from our show's knowledgeable hosts and guests. Help keep the Untold Radio Network shows
running strong. We need your support. Send your super chats and stickers now,
Good evening, everybody, thank you for joining us. Tonight. Myself
and my fellow Mysterious Library, Jason's librarian rather, Jason McClain, are going
to be looking at the latest offering from Seth Breedlove and the rest of the
small Town Monster's crew. And that's the film Land of the Missing. It's
the latest in there on the trail of Bigfoot series, and this time the
team travel to Alaska to try to work out the correlations between that state's ridiculous
amount of missing people, legends that perhaps a Sasquatch or a big Foot or
something similar is taking them. So we'll be digging into that tonight on Mysterious
Library. Good evening, It's under Mysterious Library, me, Dean, you
know it's gonna be hot tonight because we're talking talking about sasquatch kidnapping people,
and I think we all know what that one thinks over there, so you
know it's it's gonna get spicy. But before we get too far, I
need to say think and you say thank you to Nancy Malcolm with a five
dollars super sucer. Thank you, Nancy. We appreciate that you beat me
to it. I mean, Nancy is one of my favorite and one of
our loyalist listeners, viewers on this and on Talking Weird, and I think
on other shows on the network as well, and I just wanted to just
to tell people I noticed Nancy actually shares this show sometimes in groups. Joe
Fox, another regular viewer or listener, another one of my favorite people in
the ess, also shares. That's the way you can help the show get
out there. If you want to share it, I mean, if you
want to give us a superstick, a fan free fantastic. But even sharing
it on social punches it out to a bigger audience. So all of those
things are helpful. No, I mean that is I mean again, like
following, subscribing, all that's great. Sharing is one of the one of
the best things that you can do because why should you suffer alone? Inflict
us upon the world, just saying inflict away people. But no, I
love doing this show. It's so much fun doing with you, Jason.
I'll tell you something that wasn't fun quickly. Today one of my chickens disappeared.
I think the neighbors dogs took it. That happened sometimes I went out
to night. Well, it could be forget your chicken. There's a big
Foot siding up the road here, so anything's possible. Land of the Missing,
Land of the Missing Chicken is where it is here as opposed to Land
of the Missing. Lord knows a lot of my chickens have gone missing over
the years. Maybe when I've been blaming my neighbors pack of dogs that run
through here like hell hounds, or when I'm blaming the raccoons that I trap,
or when I'm when I say trap them, mayn't do it for fun.
I mean when they're killing my chickens and I have to lay a trap,
a live trap so people don't get stoking upset. But I've always blamed
these critters. Maybe it's always been big Foot and these poor dogs and weasels
and foxes and the other things they blame raccoons, possums. It's always been
the big Foot. It's always been big Foot. You're persecuting these poor animals
when really Bigfoot's out there. Just leave out some KFC and you'll be fine.
There you go, food tributes, which incidentally, people do do that
for Bigfoot, and you know what that's like, as Joshua Cutcheon would tell
you who it's very much like people leaving tributes for the fairies. Speaking of
Joshua Cutching, I know we played it a week or so ago, but
I thought it might be nice if it's still in here, which I think
it is somewhere. I believe we still have the video there, or maybe
it's been to leave no here it is. Let's play the trailer for Joshua's
new book, because when we played it you could only pre order. I
believe it's actually dropped now and today on Amazon. It was number one in
horror fiction, number one, so it's already like just shooting up the charts.
So let's play the trailer for Joshua Cutching is People who might or might
not know, he's one of the most respected thinkers within the paranormal community.
He's written such books as are Where the Footprints, and with Timothy Ranner he's
written Ecology of Souls, Trojan Feast. He's literally at the top of our
game, at top of our field anyway, and this is his first novel
and it deals with these type of themes but within within the context of a
fictional story and a fictional approach. So let's play the trailer anyway. I'm
really just trying to figure out how he got I can't Matthew McConaughey. I
can't believe you guy's name there for a second. How they got him to
do the ad for that, because it sounds like cat like Matthew McConaughey half
explained those things. Well, they're from out from out there, from here,
it's alright, alright, alright. He was a great and true detective,
the first one with that kind of love crafty and we bent so good
King and the King and Yellow kind of you know subplot of that so good.
Yeah. Now I'm going this. I am really going to be excited
to read that when I get my copy, because it's when Dean says,
he's basically the top of you know, the top from a you know,
sort of a you know intellectual perspective that he's at the top of the game.
I can't. There's there's no one who would argue that. Anyone who
argues that hasn't read his work, particularly Ecology of Souls. The man has
done his homework and he's taking he's done homeworking away. A lot of people
just don't him do in this field. So yeah, no, I'm really
looking forward to this because I think this is where a lot of people,
I hate to say this, but a lot of people who do research it's
really just fan fiction. So someone does actual research and then brings that to
fiction work, that's going to be amazing. Oh yeah. He understands the
nuances and the strangeness of it as well, and too many whether it's real
or whether it's not real. The phenomena, whatever the phenomena is, I
mean, as you know, I tend to think is one phenomena which has
various phenomena breaking off from it, at least the paranormal aspects. I don't
necessarily think that a weird light in the sky has to be paranormal. It
could be all kinds of things, but the weirder aspects I think a lot
of people don't understand the nuances, and the best fiction that's ever done about
any of these things from people who understand the nuances and close encounters of the
third kind exactly. That was it. Classic example, except Spielberg at the
end has to have the literal Disneyland, you know, when you wish upon
a star playing and the little lovely Star people come down. But up until
that final moments, that final disclosure moment at the end, the rest of
the film is very reflective of how strange all these phenomenon ah and the impact
that it has on witnesses, which is just spectacular. And so occasionally you
get a piece of fiction. Mothman Prophecies would be another example. I'm not
talking about John Kiell's book. I'm talking about the adaptation from Mike Pilkinson.
That's another classic example that understands the strange nuances. So I know Joshua Cutcheon's
book, which I have a copy here you can't wait to read, is
going to be filled with even even more nuances. And that's what makes it
so exciting. You know what we need to do Because to your point,
I would suggest the best Bigfoot movie ever made was Willow Creek and for that
very reason. Bobcat Golfweight, the comedian who made that film, he's actually
he's very much in the big Foot, and that film has a lot of
that deep nuanced lore within it. Then you can only appreciate if you're in
the big if you're really in the Bigfoot field. So we should do a
review of that movie because it is. It's, hey, just a really
well done horror film, found footage horror film. It's probably one of the
best I've ever seen as far as that that genre. But yeah, from
a Bigfoot, you know, sort of lower perspective, brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
So yeah, again, I'm looking forward to this book. I know
y'all are looking forward to this book. We'll probably have to review the book
at some point because this is the Mysterious Library and you know how the how,
the how, the periodical and new New Arrival Kremlin's get about these things.
You forgot to mention one big Foot movie that the greatest of all time,
the Legend of Buggy Creek. I know it's one of your favorites,
Jason, It actually is my favorite, to be honest, actually, Isa,
I know it is. We will have that conversation when we review the
movie, because we will be due reviewing the movie. But I'm just talking
about general as far as generalized lure goes and that in that very nuanced perspective
of the loure. I'm sorry, Will Creek is the best there is,
straight up. I found one thing. I shared it with you ring out
during Cushions advertisement. I have to throw this up here for the for the
group, and then well we'll start talking about the documentary. I'm sorry I
saw this. I just think it's the best. No tread on if you're
if you're listening, you need to go to the YouTube to see this.
It's basically a take off of the Gadsden flag of a crab holding a knife.
For those who've seen that video is there's no tread on Krabo or you
get the stabo. That's how I feel too, Krabo. Thanks thanks for
demonetizing as Jason, You're welcome. We really we'll be yeah, we'll be
fine. Well yeah, let's be honest. If we haven't given them enough
reason, now we're probably safe. But what did you say? What do
you think of the film. We haven't talked about it at all. We
both watched it. I like Yeah. This again it's it is a small
town Monsters video, right, It's it's one of their documentaries. It's as
good as I mean again, they crank out the best material in the in
the genre right now. In many ways, this really reminded me sort of,
uh, sort of like the old school Monster Quest, like that that
first season where it wasn't just about the the interviews where you actually had the
you know, that main investigator, whether it was Ken Gerhard or one of
the others, going out and investigating along with them. That's really what it
reminded him of, sort of that very first season of Monster Quest. Uh.
And it's again it's brilliantly shot right for for what it is. It
is, it's well scripted. There is a narrative that's there that that does
it. It does its job very well. So again from a from a
perspective of a documentary, because this is really a se it's not just one,
it's a series of documentaries. Yeah, because it's on the trail of
big Foot and so it's essentially a a series. I think it's as great
an entry as anything that's out there. I think I think it stands up
Yeah, and I actually think I actually did now in a reflection, I
got a feeling I did some of the early on the trail ofs at Midwest
Weird first because I used to regularly play Seth's movies before he got a different
distributor, so I would go directly through Seth. In fact, that's how
I found him when I screened his Boggy Creek movie. It's still my favorite
small Town Monsters film. Actually is really what's their is it Boggy Creek Monster?
Is that the name of their Boggy Creek movie? I can't remember.
It's like their third film or something. That's still my favorite with Lyle Blackburn,
And there's that wonderful contrast to Blackburn back at the property and the original
document the original Legend of Boggy Creek movie, and he's the key character who
was a little boy, he's the narrator and the original Legend of Boggy Creek
goes back and we've got Blackburn in that space, and there was something about
that that film which will always remain my favorite. Is it's the slickst documentary.
No, because it was early in their days small Town Monsters. Is
it? Does it have the most? Does have the most? Wonderful camera
work. No. Does it have the most the most high end interviewees.
No, But there's something about that movie which is so charming. But I
enjoyed this film as well. I dug it. I obviously obviously when you
watch a forty in film, if you're somebody like me and you've got certain
not so much skin in the game because I'm on the outside anyway, but
when you have theories that interest you, if I'm not watching necessarily in a
review for this show, I can kind of relax a little bit more and
just enjoy it. But when I watch it for this show, I'm you
know, I'm thinking for mysterious Library, I'm thinking about what do I agree
with? So I agree with you that the film is is entertaining. It's
well shots, it plays really well. There are things in there, though,
which I think will get to that I disagree with theoretically, which are
fielded not necessarily by small town monsters itself, but by various witnesses and various
people who were who were given screen time in there. And of course,
any time you start talking about Bigfoot, there's gonna be so many different heads
clashing into or budding each other into what's real and his Bigfoot good is Bigfoot
bad? Is Bigfoot physical as Bigfoot not physical? You know so you almost
can't talk about Bigfoot without you're going to get somebody's heckles up, And this
movie might do that. And I think it's very conscious, or at least
some of the characters in it are very conscious. When I say characters subjects,
I guess like Alexander he said his name one of the guy who does
a lot of the Bigfoot documentaries for small you're asking me about names. Yeah,
I think to get how to pronounce his last name. But it said
and I like him, I like the stuff he do. But it felt
to me very much that And when you're watching a movie, it's edited,
and you know so context conversation is sometimes just the best snippets of a conversation,
so it's hard to exactly always understand exactly the person's full positions. But
it seemed to me that he was reluctant to accept, as some other people
in the Dock commentary as well, reluctant to accept the fact that Bigfoot mightn't
be nice and might be actually taking people. Like he said a number of
times, well, there's lots of Native American legends, but that might just
mean once upon a time the tribe had some negative encounter and that became the
store. Right. For example, there seemed to be you could almost see
the influence and forgive me if I'm wrong. If you're watching Alexander, You're
probably not. But if you are, forgive me if you're I'm wrong.
But I could still feel the influence of early Bigfoot research is particularly the leaders
in the field like John Green and Peter Burne, and this happy mythology of
the gentle giants of the forest. You know, you could see that seeping
through because nobody want to there we go Alexander Pedokov, my vision so bad
about my glasses? Yeah, And like I said, I enjoy his filmmaking
any think he's very talented. But I think there was a reluctance there to
accept the tales that's Bigfoot is hostile and if it was maybe one Native American
tribe you could go okay, But there's so many Native American tribes with stories
about Bigfoot taking people it's not even fun. And then literature itself, like
I mentioned you the other day, I was writing book Ages Ago because my
co worker, I think got busy, but my co author got busy with
other things or whatever. But I wrote a whole chapter dealing with bigfoot essentially
violent accounts, and the literature is filled with it. And you don't even
have to be an expert to realize that. If you look at Ape Canyon,
if you look at Ruby Creek, if you look at so many of
these incidentss which are the or incidents which are the founding stories of modern big
foot law, they're just low. If you look at even the original tales
about when sasquatch got introduced into the Western language, those tales that were being
run in magazines native Americans having encounters with hostile, hostile sasquatches, And I'm
not even called that Ruby Creek. I'm talking about other ones. It was
so formative that sasquatch was dangerous and to day, I think ever since Peter
Burn and ever since John Green and a lot of people at that time period,
we wanted to think of them as isn't that these noble giants of the
forest. And I'm not even saying whether they're physical, really real, or
whether they're real at all, But the history of bigfoot isn't the history of
the peaceful giants of the forest. It just doesn't now. Could you find
some of that where he was curious and ran away? Sure, but that's
not the history of bigfoot law. Hold on, hold on, m petical
media just happened to chime, then just happened to tune in, crazy timing.
Thanks for checking out our film again, Like we said, it's a
it's an excellent film. Let me let me tell them since let's tear it
now, let me throw poor Alexander. I'm guessing that's Alexander right. I
was just saying, how much like your work, Alexander, and I enjoyed
this film. But my understanding was that your position seemed to be like John
Green and Peter Burne's position that these things weren't dangerous, and perhaps the legends
we have from various Native Americans vibes was based upon one or two bad encounters.
Well, I was suggesting that there seems to be a history within the
growth of Bigfoot stories, or the growth of Bigfoot belief, or the growth
of the whole Bigfoot narrative, that they are hostile. There are multiple reports
of them being hostile. So if I misrepresented you as I said, I
may have been. I apologize, but that was my impression that I got
from the film anyway. And well, so I do think the film does
a really good job of because again the lens of the film specifically was again
the idea that particularly in Alaska, people may or may have been kidnapped by
Bigfoot right or Sasquatch, and that and that level of and there are a
lot of stories that do come out of Alaska. I will say this,
one of the things about the stories that come out of Canada or Alaska,
I tend to I tend to see the possibility of them being up in those
areas far more. Again, Lower forty eight, as far as I'm concerned,
I think it's a very very very small population once you get up to
Alaska or really into Canada. I'm very open to there being much larger populations
because, let's face it, lower forty eight has America has over three hundred
and thirty million people, and the Lower forty eight has over three hundred and
twenty eight million of them, right, And when you come to when you
look at Canada, seventy percent of Canadians live live beneath the forty ninth parallel.
I mean virtually, I mean both the vast majority of Canadians live in
the part of Canada that's just not America, right, So when you when
you talk about that, that that massive amount of forest and just untamed wilderness,
that that's Canada and bleeding into Alaska, which has only uh you know,
seven I had ran it down seven hundred thirty two thousand people, so
less than seven hundred thirty three thousand people. There's nothing but room up there,
right. So this is why stories that come out of that area I
find far more convincing, because there's just so much more room for them to
be, particularly to get as big as described. Do you want me to
no, I'll read it and then thank you for coming Pedikov Media, which
is Alex. I apologize if I misrepresented you. He said, I don't
think they are friendly forest giants. That was me being a little bit facetious,
by the way when I used that term. So he said, I
don't think they are friendly forest giants. That seems to be naive thinking.
In my opinion, I think they would likely be capable of violence like any
wild creature would, especially for their size. So there you go. I
may have misrepresented you. And I apologize if I did, but I will
be honest that the size of the Alaskan wilderness, Jason, to your point,
does seem to be potentially a habitat for some giant relic tominate. While
one of my my problem is when I look at a lot of Bigfoot reports,
it's like I live in a rural area and there was a Bigfoot report
down the road from me, and one of lind Of Godfrey's books spoken about,
but the idea of there being a sustainable population of Bigfoot here, even
though there's woods and farms and all kind of things, it just isn't believable
that they would have been living here from time immemorial, you know what I
mean. And now then I know that people talk about, well they follow
follow the creeks, and they go around the country and everything else, it
just seems farcical to me to believe that they're in places where they're often seen.
If they're physical, I don't doubt people are seeing them. I just
don't think they're necessarily live in this reality permanently. Whatever that means, whether
it means that's some type of manifestation, or whether it's psychological or sociological phenomenon
or whether they actually do come into this reality and out of it. I
have no idea, But when you look at a space of territory like Alaska,
then you can go, well, maybe maybe there could be something physical
in Then then those type of stories tend to make a little bit more sense
than when people are seeing them in Ohio or when people are seeing him.
And you know, the suburbs of you know, I don't know names somewhere
where people suburbs of Dallas, for example, like in your Oh yeah no,
I mean five accounts, right, I mean here in places I went
I literally spent my nine teenage years, right, So yeah, I am.
You know, as we've said, I'm very open to your position on
that. And I think because again, on any given day, I'm thirty
seconds away from saying it's all paranormal and just being done right. Although well,
while Alexander is here or someone from his from his group, I will
say this. One of the things I did like that they threw in there
towards the end of the second act became of the third act is the little
people lore and the accounts of some of these things that kind of seem like
smaller or more ape like creatures. They have been discussed for a long time.
Yeah, we've got And this is where it's weird, because you get
accounts of like gnome like creatures where they're like just humans but much smaller.
But then you have these devil monkey looking creatures, and so they do address
that. It's like, hey, this is here, like why do we
have this variety? Because it is one thing. And again, this is
where you and I tend to agree, right, Having one undiscovered relic hominid
from Ages immemorial is one thing, but having so many weird things in sort
of a small area you start treading credulity here. And this is where to
your point, yeah, don't worry, I'm gonna come back and we're gonna
we're gonna are jellow rastling here in a second over over that. But it
is I do like that they didn't shy away from the fact that, yeah,
there's some elements of high strangeness here, even in the account that I
know is absolutely your favorite. Again I have to write down because I'm terrible
with names. Fred Roll will get I figure we'll end on that one on
that account. But even even within there, there is there are elements of
high strangeness that you just can't if you're in the big foot field for any
level of time, you cannot avoid that. You can't just dismiss the fact
that a lot of these accounts have these elements of high strangeness that really do
like in themselves more to paranormal entities, or let's go back to the fairy
folk, right, Well, that's yeah, speaking about the little people,
speaking about little people, as you were in the film, when it talks
about people having encounters with smaller beings, some of the witnesses are playing the
audio of a calling them little people. And I know the graphics in the
film present these things as like small apes or little monkeys, but I think
you're right just the same way that Missing an Alaska had tales of more gnome
like things and things which were more monkey like. Obviously, it's a it's
a ninety minute documentary. You can't go into all the minutia, but I
think there's probably reports of things which are slightly different within those little people,
reports which are spoken of in the film, like I'm sure some of them
are like little kind of monkey type critters. My daughter would know the name
because she likes Missing An Alaska. I don't even know what they called it,
Missing An Alaska. Those monkey like things have a name. Yeah,
I remember the cush to car is like the Ottoman because my daughter knows that
name. But I bet you should know the name of the monkey people as
well. But then there are taught tales of the things, which again I'm
going back to my only real knowledge of Alaskan paranormal stuff before this film is
Missing in Alaska. They have the episode as well of the little gnomes that
are duck people. And yeah, so there does seem to be yes,
a big foot taking people or the little gnomes taking people? Think type,
yeah, these devil monkeys exactly. That might even be what they call them
in Missing An Alaska's slang. It might be devil monkeys. I think you're
right. But but Son, even though we were initially talking about the potential
perhaps there're being something like a real physical bigfoot in Alaska given the ginormity of
the terrain. But then when you start hearing about all of these other things,
it does make one step back if they're already that way minded, Like
I am back to a more Kellyan interpretation where it's like, well, maybe
all of these things just manifestations of the same force. Because it's it starts
to stretch credulity of Alaska has gnomes, if it has giant bigfoots, if
it has weird little monkeys. You know, all of these things start to
go, come on, we'd have one of these things. And I think
either Seth or Alex makes the points in the film of saying, if there
were these many attacks, I'm sure we'd have a body because somebody would have
shot one right now. Obviously that's a very good point. If these things
are physical, yeah, there'd be a body for sure. I'm sure every
I was just going to say every second person in Alaska has a gun.
Probably more than that in Alaska have firearms every probably even in the county I
live, almost everybody, and I'm in Wisconsin, probably almost everybody has a
firearm. So I think if there were that many accounts and attacks, yes,
there would be a physical body if they were physical. But these attacks
might happen, and it might be something which isn't as easily identifiable as a
relic tominoid or homonoid, or a strangely undiscovered monkey species, or a little
no man who lives underground if it's some other force or some other phenomenon which
people are interacting with and which manifests in these various ways, and it doesn't
live here with us permanently physically for the entire year, hiding in the woods,
then absolutely, if these things come, there wouldn't be a body,
but they'd still be it. There could still considerably be attacks, and still
could conceivably could be strange experience as people have. But if there's no physical
creature living here, then yeah, there's not going to be a body.
And that, as you well know, is my ongoing point when it comes
to my suspicion that there is no physical sasquatch living in the woods of America
or anywhere, because not even if there's attacks, just if there's I think
alex or Seth, I can't remember who, but they make the point in
the film of saying, well, there's this many attacks, yes, somebody
would shoot them. I think they're both talking about it, right. I
would go so far as to say, if there's this many sightings in North
America, somebody would have shot one and had a body by now. And
and here's the thing I don't inherently disagree, except I'm the guy who says,
maybe what we have is multiple phenomenon, one being that there is a
physical Bigfoot, but it's a very very small population. The problem is we've
got the paranormal stuff and we've got the physical stuff, and we don't really
know which is which. And maybe the problem is people are shooting. People
are shooting or shooting at the paranormal stuff. And and here's the thing.
If you shoot it and it does die, you still have to be able
to it still has to die in a place where you can retrieve the body.
You have to survive the encounter, and then you have to be able
to bring those remains back. And I mean that's I'm sorry. They're men
who are who hunt. Who there are people who hunt. I mean even
who will go out, they will shoot a deer. Again, they're in
a stand optimal, everything's optimal, and they still can't recover the deer.
So I just I think that there is one of those things where it's like,
look, I get it. I'm not. I'm not un sympathetic to
this view, right, I'm not. But I do think that in a
in a way, there is a bit of an oversimplification. Now, I
do need to disagree with one thing, grasshoppers. Grasshopper says something like a
twelve gage slug would only something like a twelve gage slug would go one.
I would agree that most rounds that are used for hunting smaller game would not
necessarily drop something like a bull male. But one of these stories, Uga,
we'll get to your face. I know that three rounds from a thirty
six man, three rounds from a thirty six cent a mess. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying, right like, that's my that's my thing. Like
a lot of hunters who have I mean, a thirty at six should take
anything in North America out. You can kill. You literally can kill a
grizzly, a full adult male grizzly, a bull, a full bull bison.
With a thirty at six, you can take. There's no reason why
you shouldn't be able to take down a fully grown adult bigfoot if it was
a naturally occurring biologicalenty with a thirty at six. Now I'm gonna throw this
out here, so the story and again, guys, go see this episode
or this film. I love it. Like I said, I'm it's as
good as anything you've ever If you if you're like man, I really wants
some month. I wish The Monster Quest had come back. Watch this.
It's as goes anything Monster Request put out. Love you, Doug, obviously
gold standard. I'm just saying this fills very much like that for a season.
It's as good as any documentary you're going to see out there on this,
so please go watch it. It's a different in tone, though I
agree with you that it's worth watching, but it's different in tone. It's
it's more about storytelling perhaps or bringing in witness reports than it is about doing
the type of scientific in that. And you know me, I don't even
like science. I'm a forty and Monster Quest was always very ground that in
we're going to get the hair sample or the footprint sample, or we've got
all the hidden camera, you know what I mean. It was very much
this scientific approach to it. Well, this is probably close to what my
approach would be, to be honest, go out talk to witnesses, just
hear the stories, what's fable or what's not fable. But yeah, it's
definitely worth watching. Sorry I stepped on you. You're fine. You're fine,
So Fred Roll that's the name of the story. It's a really interesting
story, it's a great story. And in the story he says that again
thirty at six, he fires three shots center mass and says the creature doesn't
even flinch, and he heard all three hit as well as the point.
He says he heard them hit the creatures. So if we take him at
his word, which I have no reason not to, ye, he heard
these things hit it right, and yet he still thinks this thing is By
the way, I got the impression that witness still thought it was physically physible.
He just got super tough. But that doesn't I mean, I could
probably shoot an elephant three times with a thirty or six and bring it down.
I mean that's a serious round. People kill grizzlies with two two three's
regularly. People kill grizzlies with an AAR fifteen and just oh dead grizzly.
Thirty six is a devastating round in people kill elephants with AK forty seven's.
In Africa poaches a lot. So if you have if you have any military
round, then you shoot any animal multiple times. That animal isn't just going
to wander away. It just distance. And that's what's always bothered me about
big foot stories in Americas. Yeah, sure, some people are running around
with twenty two is, but most people in the woods have at least a
rifle that can bring down a der or. If somebody before said, you
know, a shotgun with a slug or so, I mean they have something,
even a big foot. I'm sure we're just buckshot at close range that
big foot wouldn't be going, oh I'm not hurt. Yeah, well,
and so this is where And again yes, I'm I'm I think it was
Gin. I'm with Gen on this. I think if you odds are if
you if you kill again a naturally biologically occurring big foot, I think you're
on borrowed time at that point, because again I don't think it's just out
there by itself. But getting back to to Dean's point, I agree,
if if he hit this creature and it didn't drop, we've got we have.
This is not just something that's really tough. I'm sorry, at three
or eight round, at the distance that he's talking about, if he hits
it cert a mass, that thing's at least flinching, right, I'm sorry,
at three or eight round is just too big a round for him to
just slough it off. Right. If he had said two two three.
Okay, I mean, I'd be skeptical, but maybe it's just this was
much much larger, and it's like, Okay, you cheesed it off three
o eight three center mass. You're not. But I gotta throw this out
here, and I'd mean absolutely no ill And I'm not dismissing anyone. I'm
not saying the man's line. I'm not even saying he's wrong. I'm just
saying one of the things we need to remember in things like this, when
humans are in situations of high stress, dealing with something that they're completely unfamiliar
with, and particularly if there they feel their lives are on the line.
He may not have actually hit the creature he heard that. He may have
heard the bullets hit one of the local a tree or whatever near. You
know, it's when people are in stress, particularly if they're not trained to
be in that stress, they're in strange situations. It's real hard for people
to I'm sorry, people's memories get weird, and aim is not is really
just not one of those things that we tend to to retain in those situations.
In fact, the vast majority of rounds fired under stress, whether it's
combat or any or a police officer. The vast majority of rounds they are
fire do not hit their target. And we're talking about situation where it is
dark his life. He feels like his life, in the life of his
friend, friend and family members are in danger. Right, he's moving right,
I'm sorry. I'm hearing his story, and so I hear your point,
and I don't think you're you're wrong. Your point is not wrong because
we've heard these stories of I know I shot it, I know I hit
it, and this thing just kept on walking. However, my point is,
in a lot of these high stress situations, we need to take that
step back and say there's an asterisk here because that high stretch situation or that
high stress situation can lead to misremembering things, or you know, he may
have thought he hit it, doesn't mean that he did. Yeah, I
would just I would add that. I think that would make a lot of
sense if it was a single case. But as I mentioned before, I
literally wrote a chapter on unpublished but maybe it might never be published, and
the whole book was literally the whole I wouldn't want to spell the book.
The whole chapter was literally about sasquatching counters. I'm so glad they actually had
this sasquatching counter in this movie, because if this book ever gets released,
I'm going to go back and write fred Ryle's story because it fits so well
the pattern. This is a pattern. Sasquatches attack a cabin or a house.
People shoot the sasquatch. There's a really famous case in Hanoibia, Oklahoma,
where they were shooting these things every night with their battle rifles, right
every night, and they didn't get one. This is a famous case.
And then we have eight Canyon. We have all of these. There isn't
one or two of these stories. There is a life I can accept.
One guy can flake out. But there are plenty of people in America who
are combat veterans, plenty of people have been hunting their whole life, plenty
of people who can shoot. There's plenty of people breaking into houses which get
shot and killed all the time. So would it be stressful if a sasquatch
was coming in my door or banging on my cabin? Absolutely? Could I
possibly fail in the moment of crisis and not hit it? Potentially? But
could every time one of these stories happen. Every single time people shoot it
say they hit it, and there's never a body. So there's a pattern,
and it's a mythological pattern. That doesn't mean people aren't experiencing this,
but I honestly think this is an underlooked or an overlooked pattern of modern mythology,
and that is sasquatches attacking cabins, getting shot and there being nobody.
There aren't one or two of these cases. If you go and look in
on there are mountains of these cases and we don't have a single body.
I mean, that says to me that this we're not dealing with what we
think we're dealing with, or what people who are apers or people who are
fleshing bloods or whatever we want to call them. I'm not in any camp,
really, I'm just trying to look at this almost academic, but I
just find it. I could understand that this guy might have panicked and not
hit it, but has everybody who's ever been attacked in this situation by it,
and there's a lot of the stories, has nobody ever hit one?
And again, center mass. If you hit one of these things center mass
with the type of rounds we're talking out, that should be enough to stop
the thing real quick. Again, the situation for this specific this specific story.
They could not check for a blood trail because they were being attacked and
they were retreating. They were trying to get the heck out of there.
So Nancy Malcolm asked, don't most hunters look for blood trail to determine if
they actually had their target or not? And yes, the answer to that
is yes. And here's the thing. There have been blood trails. And
since we will talk about the legend of Boggy Creek, that conversation will come
up. But I'd like to get back to this film, which again is
great. Love the film. Y'all need to go see it, so just
quickly. There was a question. There was a question from Nancy before who
actually gave us a supersticker? And we didn't answer a question. So that
would be pretty miserable of us if I didn't go back and find it.
Here we go. Could it be they kidnapped humans to replace lost members of
their tribe? Well, that was the story of the Awestimate abduction, which
is talked about in this film. There was he a miner or a trapper
or something. He's out, he's in his sleeping bag at night. There's
Big Daddy Bigfoot. There you go, Big Daddy Bigfoot snatches him up,
carries him back to this weird kind of Bigfoot camp where he had the impression
he was going to be kept to be the mate for this big Daddy Sasquatch's
daughter. So it's certainly, Nancy, You're not wrong. It's certainly within
the literature. And there's also Native American stories which suggests there's a commonality in
the idea of we will, and this film talks about that as well.
I think about the idea of their being hybrids Native Americans who've been probably kidnapped
and forcibly mated with various Bigfoot populations, and then there's meant to be offspring
that people have seen. So you're right, Nancy's it's certainly part of the
mythology. It's part of the mythology. And again it is talked about in
this film, which again why are they and this is again one of the
Well again, one of the reasons I really like what Smalltown Monsters is doing
with this series is they're really going deep into these material, into this material
and really giving it room to breathe. And they're not just clipping, you
know, they're not just clipping. Well, this is the most sensational stuff.
They're giving you the broader perspective on this phenomena. And oh, well,
there you are. You can read that. Why didn't you read Alexander's
coming. Yeah, Alexander says, we put We just put out a video
on Sunday with an alleged encounter and was Virginia where a hunter killed a juvenile
and a female sasquatch collected the body. The police came and there was nothing
but blood left. So there you go. And again when we get to
legend Bocky Creek, there's a blood trail there. And so this goes back
to the to the on running discussion between Dean and myself, which is,
hey, you know, there are accounts of these creatures either being sick.
Now again not all of them, but where they seem to be sick and
or die of exhaustion or are injured and leave blood trails like this is not
an uncommon thing. But but to Dean's point, there's an awful lot of
lore about them being shot and having nothing happen, meaning they just slough off
the rounds as if you hadn't actually shot them at all, which seems and
to his point He's not wrong. The amount of accounts that we have that
say that does pushes does push credulity of well, maybe just everybody missed,
right. I'm the first one to say, look, I think some of
them probably just missed and because of the high stress, they thought they had
hit it. But i mean, hey, I know I've shot I have
shot dove with you know, pretty close with a twelve gauge and had them
fly off, and I'm like, what in the heck is happening here?
So I'm the first one to say it's possible to shoot something you think you
hit it and you don't. But everybody, everybody, you know what I'm
saying, Like, I admit, I can talk about things I missed as
well, and we can talk about deer that you know, somebody mentioned before
in it comes rightfully so that deer can get away and YadA, yadayada.
But every time a bigfoot gets shot, there might be a blood trail,
or it might poof in a flash of light, or it might just swat
at the bullets like like mosquitoes that I've read about, or it might just
be hitting like the fred Rail case, and nothing seems to happen happen,
and so what did Alexander say, Sorry to clarify over only a juvenile was
killed. A female sasquatch came out of the woods to pick up the body.
Perthose to the story. Well that, I mean, that's interesting,
but again it still fits the pattern of we never get a body. And
to be honest, I think that again because I tend to look at this
a little bit differently than probably a lot of people in the big Foot community
because I'm not in the community. I'm fascinated with it, but I'm not
in the community. I think this absence of evidence consistently throughout all the Fortiana.
Whatever it is, pick a topic, fits those older fairy traditions where
you come back from fairy land with the fairy gold in your pocket and you
pull it out and it turns to dust. There's and I'm not suggesting that
people aren't experiencing things, far from it, but there does seem to be
some mythological trope that when we deal with the other, whatever the other is,
that there's never any evidence to prove our experience with the other. And
that's been going on from time immemorial, and that's why I suspect and I
don't know, and I could be totally wrong. There might be a relic
population of hominides in North America. I'd love it if there were. I
don't think there are, but i'd love it if there were. But that's
why my suspicion drifts to the idea that this absence of evidence suggests that whatever
the reality of the phenomenon is more important as what it means as far as
we're human. What does it mean to our experience on this planet and our
experience with reality, and our dependence perhaps upon myth to make meaning of the
world. And again, that doesn't mean I'm dismissing actual experiential accounts of Bigfoot.
It just means it fits within a whole history of experiential accounts with things
which aren't us, intelligences which aren't us, which seem to be somehow mysterious
or metaphysical, or monsters or supernatural or whatever. And we never get to
bring home the bacon at the end to prove the story the exact same way,
and the old fairy tales people could never prove the story when they came
back to day to day life. Yeah, no, you're not wrong.
Again, you're not wrong, and this is part of that broader conversation that
luckily we get to have a mysterious library overbuilt. Asks Alexander if you could
post the link to your YouTube channel in the in the chat so they can
see where the story is. They love to see this for again, y'all
are doing great over there. Love the film, love the film. Oh
real, he just responded. He says, a man versus beast Sasquatch on
Earth on the small Town Monsters channel, and while you're there, you can
see this film there you go. Loved about it. See, I love
it when when a plan comes together. Nancy beat me too, because that's
one of things I was going to talk about. So Nancy says, like
the fairy stealing babies, maybe Bigfoot takes Tyler's from campers to replace recently dead
Bigfoot infants. Well again, that's sort of the broader point, right where
again the gentleman who was kidding, you know, ostensibly kidnapped by a Bigfoot
clan to be the mate for this younger female Bigfoot. That fits right in
again to Dean's point with fairy lore, where you have change links where a
child is kidnapped and replaced with and that child becomes a fay, folk becomes
fay, becomes a fairy somehow. That's again that to Dean's point again,
let we defend the in here for a second. Even I'm about tarrantum.
It is absolutely possible that there is, like there's just two. There is
a lot of overlap when you look at when you look at sasquatch law and
you look at fairy law. One things a lot of people talk about right
are Bigfoot's braiding the hair of of of horses. Well great, but sure
if you're over in Ireland, they're called fairy nuts and cut and cutshin and
rand. To make that point and list a number of cases in the where
the footprints end two volumes set as well. So the commonalities between big foot
law and fairy faith very well documented in those books. But people have been
noticing how Bigfoot fits this pattern of weirdness for a long time. I mean
Jerome Clark's and Lauren Coleman's books Creatures from the Outer Edge back in the day
was suggesting that these things went physical before Jerome Clark became nuts and boltzy,
and before Lauren Coleman became flesh and blood bigfooter John Keel obviously was making very
similar points. Patrick Harp has made very similar points. The people who look
at the whole phenomena, or the phenomena rather the entire phenomenon kind of in
a broader picture. So in other words, they're looking at everything from ghosts
to Blessed Virgin Mary's to bigfoot, to fairy faith, to demonology to UFOs.
They start to notice that there are real commonalities between all of these things.
And that's difficult, I think for somebody to accept who is looking at
any of these things, whether it's extraterrestrials or whether it's UFO stories and they're
putting it within an extraterrestrial mold, or whether it's ghosts and they're putting it
in Spirits of the Dead mold, or whether it's bigfoot researchers who are putting
it in there. You know, and undiscovered North American ape species are a
relictominid in a physical mold. But when you start to bring those together and
look at the parallels, that to me, I think is where not.
I don't think we're ever going to get an answer, but that points us
towards perhaps what the nature of this phenomenon is. Yeah, if we don't
do a comparative view, I think we're in We're in all kinds of trouble.
If we ignore the comparisons between all this different phenomena, then we're in
trouble. It's intellectually, it's intellectually lazy not to notice that there there are
commonalities. Real quick, Nixon says, I'm sorry, but those horsemen,
but horses mains can do that naturally, which is ultimately our point, right,
is that this is a naturally occurring phenomenon. But if you're in but
if you're in Europe, they're going to they call them literally fairy braids.
But there are people here in the US who attribute it to sasquatch. That's
the point, right, It's not it's not whether or not it's a natural
phenomena or not. It's whether it's the overlap between the two, right,
and the different mythologies that culturally deal with this same experience in different ways.
Yeah. And I think and I think this is a really interesting point that
should be made here. And I think is one of these sections of of
of intersection between again the whole faious sasquatch thing, which is what is mythology
in general, right, because the the tribe, the African tribes that lived
amongst you know, in the area where there were where there were gorillas before
they were officially discovered by you know, Europeans, they did actually have law
that said these gorillas would kidnap children. Now we know they don't actually do
that, but that law existed. Rightly, I'll just interject real quickly and
then I'm sorry, but there are certainly stories of children being raised by wild
animals. So My Daughter is just the Jungle Book, the Disney movie,
but of course that are original Roger Kipling tale was based on real stories,
yes, of children being raised by wolves and other animals in the wild.
Like, so it does happen, yeah, well, but usually those story
Again, usually those stories are a child actually wanders off, or the family
is killed somehow and the child is there, or the child is abandoned.
But the idea that a gorilla would just would go into a village or into
a tribe and still children or still a woman to keep as part of the
troop, we know that doesn't happen, but that will I've seen, I've
seen King Kong. That'll happen. Oh, clearly, yeah, there we
go. Clearly I'm wrong, but I think that's my point, right,
is folklore is not I say this all the time, folklore is not phenomena.
And I think where we do get a little too tied up as we
we take a look at the the folklore surrounding a phenomena and assume it must
It's like, well, that's what's actually happening, and then we look at
the overlap. It may be that a lot of the overlap is literally us
as humans putting our fears, in our prior mythologies and our thoughts on this
phenomena more than the actual phenomena itself. And that's something we also need because
until we actually I hate to say this, until we have a body,
we don't know that this is again, it's entirely part of the quantum bigfoot
theory or them as interdimential being theory. I mean, until we have a
body, we can't say no to that they that the bigfoot phenomena is something
else. I happen to think that there's reason to think that there is at
least a part of this phenomena that is a naturally existing biological entity. But
until we have that body, I can't say that with ontological certainty, can
I I just can't, right, if I'm being honest, I can't say
that. I mean, so's we can't. If we can't at that body,
we don't. Until we have that, we're never going to be able
to start really drawing lines around the phenomena to know what is the naturally occurring
biological stuff and what is genuinely this other stuff that does exist and has been
here since the dawn of time. I mean, I'm sorry, but the
wild Man mythology is in every culture on the planet for a reason. And
I don't think it's because we all just happen to have this, you know,
eat ergot, right, and so we're all having the same hallucinations all
over time. It's because there's a real phenomena and it is higher than just
though you know it's not. It's more than just what the material stuff we
are. It is something much higher. And so until we can draw that
line around, well, what's the actual biological big Foot and what's this other
stuff, We're gonna have this molding and overlap in gray area that just makes
this whole phenomena very difficult to really suss out. It's desirable, at least
for me to find a level of intellectual elegance when it comes to examining the
Bigfoot phenomenon or all of this phenomenon or this phenomena. And I can't help
but think of Philip Class's curse, the famous skeptic who wrote the Ufo Curse,
and it was basically said, to the people who you know, detract
from me or attack me. I cursed it in and I think he wrote
this back in the eighties. I cursed that you're not going to know anymore,
you know, in forty years time or something that you know today.
And that might have been the exact timeline, but the gist was, you're
not going to know anymore. And isn't that exact case with the UFOs.
We know nothing more about the flying Source of phenomenon than we did nineteen forty
seven when it first became flying sources. It exists before that anyway, It
existed from time immemorial. And as you talked about the wild man phenomenon,
that's existed from Biblical times, from the time of Gilgamesh, from the time
of the Sumarians, and it continues today. There's not a body now and
I'll make a class prediction, not a curse, because I don't wish it
will on anybody. There is never going to be a big foot body found.
That's what I believe. I could be wrong. I hope I'm proved
to be wrong. I'd love it if tomorrow there was a big foot body
found. How much fun. There's never going to be a big foot body
found in my lifetime or anybody's lifetime who's watching this show. There's never going
to be a big foot shot and haul the end, there's never going to
be found one discovered on a trail. There's never going to be one found.
Because these things aren't the way they present themselves to us any more than
any of this stuff is what it presents itself to us, our own cultural
contamination, our own expectations, perhaps the way the phenomenon works. Perhaps it's
all psychological, Perhaps it's all sociological. Perhaps it's a combination. Perhaps there's
something else which we don't understand. But people have been interested in UFOs since
the forties, or flying sources since the forty These people have been interested in
bigfoot as a bigfoot since what the fifties. Yeah, they're they're common.
They're common. Cultural interests, and arguably it's harder to prove a UFO than
it is a bigfoot. Give give me a thirty or six and you know,
a scope and a clear look at a bigfoot, and I should be
able to prove the reality of bigfoot. And how many people have been in
that kind of experience as Fred Royle was in this and still not being able
to bring home the bacon. So the fact that we haven't done it since
the interest started seventy years ago in America, I think it's a fairly safe
bet to say in the next seventy years we're still not going to do it.
People have to look at this historically. People have been looking into this
stuff for seventy years. Right, there's nothing. Occasionally there might be some
kind of but it's the same as the fairies. The same way the goal
turns to dust. It's the same way you get DNA analyzed and you go
like, well there seems to be some human contamination or something. Is the
exact same thing, right, You can say, well, I had something
in my pocket, Well it was very gold, but now it's dust,
so it's proof. It's the same as getting the DNA sample and going well,
we've got a sample, and there's it says it's human, so maybe
it's kind of us. It's part of some mythological trope, which I think
is more significant. I'm not dismissing it. I think it says something inherently
about the nature of reality, inherently about our belief system, inherently about our
psychology, inherently about our expectations. It might be more important than they're really
being a physical bigfoot running around in the woods. But as long as we're
so trapped into this physical expectation, which let's be real, there's the nineteen
fifties, nobody in America's shot one. Come on, no again, it's
a it's a again. It's a valid critique, and again one of the
brill Again, bringing back to the film, I think one of my favorite
scenes is the fact that they do talk about these other you know, the
devil monkeys and the other little people lore in the same area, right,
I mean, I think that's a value. I like the fact that this
film didn't shy away from that, and it didn't shy away from from the
fact that that again, because I can't remember names, Fred roll like they
flat out and said, look heat shot center mass hit it three times,
it doesn't flinch. They did not shy away from these elements of high strangeness
that are very much part of the Lord, very much a part of the
of the of the of the story and the writings of Bigfoot. So I
like that. I really do like the fact they didn't hide from that in
this film. Also, my favorite line in the entirety of the film is
the park ranger where they where he's asked it's like, do you believe there's
a you know, like a government, governmental cover up? And his response
was, well, let me tell you a story. I don't want to
go any further than that, because honestly, y'all gotta go watch the film
and listen to that story, because it's a great story, and I think
it's actually a lot closer to the reality of you know, governmental cover up
on this stuff then necessarily a men in black esque group running around and neuralizing
people who've shot and just cleaning up the body. I think there is.
I think his story sort of alludes to something I've talked about for a while,
which is more institutional we just don't want to deal with this, so
don't talk about it, right it's more of a it's less to cover up
and more of a we're just going to look away, so we don't need
to deal with this, and you'd be wise to do the same. Right
again, No, will Smith and is not about to show up and take
away your your bigfoot body. But you may be told not to report that
you saw something either. Can I say something that makes that makes sense that
you don't even need a physical bigfoot for that type of level low level conspiracy
to make sense. You're right when you start talking about every we used to
just be UFOs where there was secret government agencies like Man and Black. Now
it's dog man, now it's bigfoot, now it's everything. But to think
that a park that is to term, which needs, you know, tourist
to justify its funding, might want not want to circulate the idea of their
being an aggressive bigfoot in the park makes total sense. And that doesn't require
a physical animal that's a bigfoot by the way, that just determined that.
All that says is that people are having these type of experiences where they think
it's some physical animal. So I don't think that detracts anything from anybody's position
here. Of course, when you start to talk about government agents coming in
and whisking away bodies on helicopters. You get to a whole New X Files
level of paranoia. And again it becomes incredibly there's a lazyness to any type
of position that goes, well, there's proof, but the government whisk it
away every time. That's just like, that's just like a way of explaining
that there isn't proof. It's a mythology for explaining the reality of another mythology.
And so I'm very reluctant to go down that path. But you're right,
the park ranger in that his story, it makes total sense because I
do. Do you think people are having genuine experiences? It's very suspicious that
they are what flesh and blood people suggest that they are. But anyway,
people should watch this film. I got, I got, we got sidetracked,
but particularly myself because this is one of my pet issues, as you
know, and the physicality of Bigfoot and when no one's been shot. But
the film addresses this, to be honest, there's a conversation in there that
addresses this. So people should check it out. Like all small town monster
of stuff, it's always worth a watch. Yeah, exactly, And again
as I've always As I've said for a while, my favorite cryptid documentary of
all time is from Small Town Monsters. It's Tears and it's Tear in the
Sky. I think it's one of the best ones ever made. Not just
them, I mean cryptid documentaries in general. That's one of the best ones
ever made. Now that being said, go see this one. Go to
the small town because this is this is not something you're going to see on
two be your Amazon. This is on YouTube on the small Town Monster site.
Go get a watch it. You will love it as much as we
have. And again, great work, guys. This is this belongs up
there the echelons of Monster Quest, Sightings, any of those shows that really
shaped in search of the shows that shaped this genre. It's as good as
anything out there. So congratulations. One quick thing, though, there was
a question asked at the beginning, and I wanted to get to it before
we left. Ed Shall says, I hope sometimes review the movie Third Eye
Spies. That is actually on our list. I am not kidding when I
say this, that's his on our list, and unfortunately just keeps getting pushed
back due to news and different things. So maybe let's do that one next
week, unless I don't think anything else has popped up. Sure I didn't
see that, Ed, Thank you for the suggestion. There was a lot.
There was a lot of action in the comments tonight, which is wonderful.
Thank you too to everybody who comes and watches and engages in the comments
section. If we ever miss it, it's just me and Jason driving it,
if I'm on a rant or if he's on a rant or arguing,
we are likely to occasionally miss some comments, but thank you to everybody who
is there. On Apologies to anybody and we missed two had something in a
slight fool will say yes again, there's only it's only the two of us
and y'all. Y'all are great. Y'all really are, and y'all have some
great comments, which is why we try to get them as often as we
can. Unfortunately, sometimes we miss things from time to time. But that
having been said, we will be back next week and we will do and
you know what, let's two third Eye Spies. So if y'all want to
go, it's free on two B right now, go to two by watch
it and we can discuss it here together because it's gonna be a great one.
Honestly, Psychic phenomena is one of my favorites, is one of my
It's weird, IM. Everyone's like, aren't you a big Footer? I'm
like, I'm really not. I'm really more into this other I'm really more
in this other stuff. I just happened to be in the I found.
I have found myself in this bigfoot realm oftentimes, so most people think I'm
a big Footers, Like, I'm really not. Again, dinosaurs, you
know, for Benn archaeology, the paranormal, supernatural from a prophetic standpoint,
Yeah, that's really more my I thinks. So I'm really really looking forward
to this one. That's been on our bucket list for a while, so
we will. We'll watch that for next week. On that note, we
will catch all behind the behind the Card catalog and we'll see y'all next week