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What's he throughout the impossible or whatever
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be true And it is not a
question of the libo cultism. What a

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touch of mysticism is today? It
is Empires as a host of them souls.

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Hello, Pops, thy father,
spirit dude for a certain termed work

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the night yere the old gods unt
dead? And what is the true God

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when he's dead? You can't complain. People assume the time is a strict

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progression of cause to effect, but
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it's more like a big ball of
whiby wobbly thymy wymy stuff. You're

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listening to Paranormal UK Radio and good
evening everybody. Welcome to another edition of

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the Paranormal UK Radio show, the
flagship show here on the Paranormal UK Radio

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Network. I'm Mark Johnson and once
again I'm flying solo Tonight. Irene is

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tied up with some family business,
so but she promises to come back our

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next show, so the gang will
all be back together. I know I

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haven't gotten us shows as often as
i'd like. I'm working on that.

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The whole month of May. We
have guests booked every other week, So

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we're going to try to keep on
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has been a tough year for everyone
medically and even home life. I'm dealing

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with stuff right now too, selling
my house and moving. It's actually it's

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under contract right now, so by
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Still here in New Jersey for now
and you know, moving forward with

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life. What more can I say. So that's about all the exciting news

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that I have to report. One
of the things for tonight's guest is it's

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a subject that I have been very
interested in lately. It's something that I

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followed, of course for years,
but lately I've been more fascinated in the

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subject. I think a lot for
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my life. And I've been following
a lot of near death experience stories on

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YouTube and elsewhere, and there's always
something different about each one. They're very

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unique and yet there are some similarities. And here to talk to us tonight

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about those similarities is our guest,
Douglas Hodgson. Douglas is a former dean

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and professor of law currently residing in
Perth, Western Australia, and he undertook

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postgraduate legal studies at the University of
London before embarking on a thirty five career

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in higher education in Canada, Australia
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scholar, human rights advocate and university
administrator. He also has a new

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book that came out this year called
Spiritual Revelations from Beyond the Veil What Humanity

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can Learn from the Near Death Experience
and he's looked and culdated over five hundred

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accounts of near death experiences and has
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So, Douglas, welcome to the
program. I'm very well Mark, and

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thank you very much for having me
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very much for coming on so early
in the morning, your time. It's

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quite all right. I'm always happy
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Yeah, and you know what I
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it's a subject for whatever reason.
I mean, I've always been fascinated

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by indies, and yet lately the
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a lot watching a lot of different
YouTube channels there are where people narrate their

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indes I've noticed a lot of commonalities
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something I'm interested in discussing with you. Sure, Now, what really brought

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you into I mean, from your
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into the near death experience. Well, I've always been a religious person,

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Mark, I have an interest in
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on it last year. But about
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to read doctor Raymond Moody's book Life
After Life as Oh, yeah, treatise

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a classic. I read that years
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interest and curiosity in the NDE phenomenon. But it wasn't until I retired from

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full time work at the end of
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I read in my retirement was a
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Heaven in Neurosearch ands Journey into the
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caught my interest. Doctor Alexander had
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for some seven days, and he
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about the ND. So I looked
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Near Death Studies ian's is the acronym, and I began searching through their archives.

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And they have written accounts of those
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who have written about them. So
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some of them go back decades,
and I started to detect commonalities about their

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experiences, and particularly similarities in the
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the veil, and so much so
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or commonalities, and I ended up
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accounts, and I made copious notes, And at that point I still wasn't

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sure whether there was a book in
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of accounts that said, basically that
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were communicating telepathically with the beings of
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life was not yet finished. They
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they must return to their bodies to
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the main missions was to impart to
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and revelations were imparted to them at
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penny dropped and I thought, well, I would like to be sort of

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a humble spokesperson of these five hundred
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into writing and to collect all of
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a book. So this is how
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what's interesting, and again we'll go
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they're told that it's not their time
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Absolutely they don't. It's so beautiful
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don't want to come back here.
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blame them. Well, as one
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her account, the afterlife is beautiful
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at the veil, they can glimpse
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different layers of heaven. And while
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experience. They experience a bliss,
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God, the Light, the beings
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guides, and they are in such
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want to return. But unfortunately for
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must return, and they found themselves
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they return to their bodies, they
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The NDE authors report that they experienced
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endured. It wasn't like they had
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of them recall their experiences decades after
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detail of their experience, and one
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that they no longer feared death.
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you will long for death. You
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call our real home, you know, the afterlife. And the other thing

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that they commonly say is that what
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them at the veil told them how
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earth, what is important and what
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there's a real lesson there for all
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of the accounts of near death experiences
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all different walks of life and under
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out of body and near death experience, from everything from car accidents to a

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drug overdose to you know, a
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to explain this. Sometimes it seems
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type of bodily drama. It depends
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one of the commonalities is that they
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or float above their body, and
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although a few times people are freaking
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I'm here, I'm here, and
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it's like a wide variety of course
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circumstances. Well, I recall that
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way. They said that their soul
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were looking down at their body on
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they regard they were neutral and distant
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but they didn't really care. It
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many of them are looking down,
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room, looking down at their physical
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called a black velvety void, and
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and warmth, and then suddenly they
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slowly, but inexorably, their souls
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and eventually the soul is traveling at
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which is becoming larger and larger,
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threshold of heaven, and what they
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water, like a stream or a
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the veil because if they do,
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earthly bodies. So and when they
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the humanoid forms. They're in soul
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close family members, some of them
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but they cannot cross over and they
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those were the main commonalities that I
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and going towards the veil. But
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that death is human error or misunder
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consciousness is infinite and eternal, so
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body. Of course, death is
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which is higher vibrations. And this
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merely the separation of the soul or
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as another end of year described,
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between the body and the soul or
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couple of things I wanted to touch
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void in the beginning, and you
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hearing about NDEs, and there was
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you know, seeing a light and
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other side. But the black void
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concept, and I find that very
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experiencers talk about that they'll still feel
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this total darkness, and then they'll
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and then they feel like they're rushing
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tunnel effect comes in. But I
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recently. Yes, you're right,
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this black, velvety, silky void
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a sense of peace and warmth,
which is really counterintuitive to what our earthly

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experience would be. If we see
blackness or darkness, it kind of freaks

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us out, But not for the
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It's the opposite that they feel sort
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warmth as a prelude to witnessing this
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This tunnel or a deep valley of
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I know that there have been some
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don't feel the love. In fact, they start having some interactions with some

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very negative entities, almost like they're
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to hell before they are able to
lift it out and brought towards what we

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referred to as heaven or the higher
vibrations. Oh, have you experienced many

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of those types of incidents in your
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Mark. I should say that when
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concentrating on NDEs which were positive in
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God and the angels and the beings
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I certainly did come across a number
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accounts. As a percentage over all
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be rather low, perhaps about five
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dark experiences, and I would surmise
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It was for the edification of the
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of the soul called life review.
I don't know that speculation on my part,

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but I divided these dark energy experiences
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limited number of accounts that I read. The first one is what I would

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call a state of mind or a
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after having left the body, experiences
only darkness in a complete absence of God

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or the light. There is no
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They're in complete darkness, and they
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The second type of dark energy experience
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sensory perception, so particularly sight and
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accompanied by a being of light,
and they were presumably in Hell or one

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of the layers of Hell, and
they were shown a dark wall, and

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on the wall there were humanoid body
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and the torso of the body was
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and legs extended out of the wall
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were in quite utter agony and anguish. They were being tormented. Another dark

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energy experience based on sensory perception was
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their soul or the consciousness, again
accompanied by being of light, was in

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a very dark place of anguish,
pain and torment, and the soul consciousness

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was being enveloped or umbrellaed by the
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light, and the being of light
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ever stepped outside or moved outside of
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place forever. So that was two
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on sensory perception. The third type
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what I would call a transitional state. Hell being a transitional state, it's

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like being caught between the earthly realm
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one end of ear described it,
he was by beings of light that at

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the moment of death, when the
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opportunity to go down the tunnel of
light, that they refuse. It could

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well be that the soul is too
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It could be that they're too attached
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attached to one of their pets or
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their home, or for whatever reason, they refuse to go down the tunnel

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of light. They cannot accept God's
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tunnel of light, so they are
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In the West, we would call
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and an Eastern Inner Asian culture is
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that's just a summary of the three
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didn't encounter, but they were relatively
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in most of the cases that I
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of those that get into that kind
of darkness. And usually one of the

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other things I've noticed is with most
NDE accounts, they it's like they're having

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similar experiences, and yet they're descriptions
of where they are. The beings that

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they meet or even you know,
family that they meet is all under various

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different circumstances, So it's not like
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the the what's the word I'm looking
for the reality that they are in.

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Everyone experiences it differently, and you
had mentioned earlier about the fact that these

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type of experiences, you know,
and going over to that other side in

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a lot of ways, is beyond
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things are maybe so different because the
human mind, in what it remembers,

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how it translates the experience, is
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come back and relate that experience when
in reality what they experience is beyond our

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human language. Yes, you've raised
some very good points there, Mark.

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Many of the Indie ears say that
they really cannot do justice to the richness

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and meaning of their NDE. As
one endi ear said, it's a bit

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like trying to depict a magnificent sunset
by drawing it in sand at the beach

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with a stick. It just can't
be done. That human language is just

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too impoverished to convey what they really
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of course, is that we are
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experience, which is quite finite in
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So the Indie Years, the authors
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what they experienced, but they are
hamstrung in terms of human language and their

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restrictive earth bound experience. And I
think the other factor that enters in here

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is that we all have a lot
of social cultural baggage, if I can

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put it that way. We all
have our own belief systems, or we

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don't have belief systems. But one
Endie year said that, and this is

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confirmed in sacred scripture. There is
just not one heaven. There are multiple

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heavens. And if you look at
Islam, in the Holy Qur'an, it

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said that there are seven heavens.
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from India, they also believe in
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So, for example, you have
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they described as a Buddha like figure. Others claim that they see someone who

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resembles an Indian Sawdu. Some Indie
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that they were speaking with Jesus Christ
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prophet Mohammad. So they are coming
from these different perspectives, from these different

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belief systems, from different continents,
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that may explain the differences that you're
referring to But my task as an author

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in writing spiritual Revelations from Beyond the
Veil was to cut through those differences and

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to focus on the commonalities of the
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And it was quite astounding because I
found that the messaging included what may be

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found in religious or sacred scripture,
but went far beyond it. The messaging

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was transcendental in nature. Okay.
One thing that's always struck me, And

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it's interesting how you mentioned that there
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which makes sense in the sense of
vibrational realities and dimensions going from one

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level and then advancing onto a next
and the next. And also, as

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you were saying about cultural impact towards
people's perceptions, I wonder if sometimes it's

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because of their going to slightly different
variations of these heavens based on their own

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perceptions, or is the experience tailor
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a Christian they're going to meet Jesus, or even if they're I mean,

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I've heard of agnostics, but they're
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Why because they've been exposed to it, and I feel like sometimes when they

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meet a religious figure, it's not
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fully believe that what they're meeting and
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that is what is presented to them
in order to best communicate to them and

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get to the point for what they
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And if they meet a Jesus,
they're Christian. They meet Jesus and Jesus

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tells them something. Oh yeah,
they're going to remember that when they come

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back. Now, there are also
many other experiencers who meet, as you

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said, these beings of light,
well, they meet angels, they meet

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ascended masters. It all depends on
the person and what is tailored for their

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experience. What are your thoughts on
that, you know, I actually haven't

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thought about that mark, To be
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or earthly mission, what we are
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bespoke or tailor made. We each
have a unique and tailored mission that we

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must fulfill on Earth. But whether
our near death experience is also tailor made

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or bespoke, I really don't know. But that is a great question.

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Many of the NDE authors didn't you
didn't refer to specific profits or ascended masters.

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They refer to beings of light or
the light. Some authors said I

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spoke with God or the life.
I'm not sure. Others said that they

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spoke to beings of lighter angels.
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But I really I don't have an
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Rather that that may well be that
they are given that that prophet as

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a means of being comforted, as
authenticating the messages or the revelations. That

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could well be. But I don't
recall in my experience of reading those five

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hundred or so accounts of anyone addressing
that that that matter afterwards. No,

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okay, some of the experiences that
people have. In fact, there are

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people who have had multi NDEs in
their lifetimes. They've gone crossed over a

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couple of different times and had similar
experiences when they've come back. I remember,

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I don't know if you're familiar with
Daniel Brinkley, but he had a

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fairly famous story and he's written his
experiences. He was very much a troublemaker

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in life, kind of a badass, and two different times he was struck

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by lightning and had a near death
experience and brought him back. It really

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took the second time for them to
hit home to him to change his ways

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and start becoming very much more spiritual
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But the multiple nd I find fascinating
too, just because they can come over

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more than once. It seems to
me that there are situations where you know

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one and done would be enough to
give somebody the experience they needed, but

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the obviously not. Well. It
may be, as you say, that

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they're reinforcing the message, or perhaps
on the second and third occasions, they

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are receiving further revelations and perhaps given
the responsibility to return to their earthly bodies

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to share with humanity what they experienced. Once again, I don't recall reading

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any accounts of multiple MDE experiences that
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But I can only speculate that they're
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or the light has further revelations to
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and it's their mission to return and
to share it for the benefit of

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humanity. One common experience that most
people who have indies go through is the

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life review. And it doesn't matter
whether somebody had an NDE as a child

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with you know, very few years
to have a life review, or whether

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they're an older adult. They all
almost without fail, almost every NDE account

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I've ever heard of, they go
through a life review. And the one

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thing that especially in religion, some
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especially in Western religions and Christianity.
You know, they talk about you being

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judged for your actions and your life
when you cross over, but most of

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the experiencers talk about that the life
review is not that you sit in judgment

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by God whether or not you go
to heaven or hell, but whether or

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not you've accomplished what you came to
do all the good and bad times,

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and the only judges yourself. You
judge yourself on everything that you have experienced,

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every even an unkind word to somebody, and you feel how that other

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person felt by what you did to
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but from their perspective as well,
so you feel the whole everything.

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But again it's the end result is
you judge yourself and there's nothing but still

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love and compassion coming to you.
That's a very accurate summation of the experience

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of the end of years mark these. The actual substance of the life review

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is non judgmental and non condemnatory.
As one end to year said that God

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would judge and punish is a human
construct. It's human error because God is

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absolute unconditional love and is not capable
of judging and punishing. We do it

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ourselves. As you say, we
are our own harshest critic. We are

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not necessarily judging ourselves. We are
excuse me, reflecting on our lifetime on

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earth and evaluating it. And it's
an instantaneous life review, almost in holographic

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form. We are shown the main
events in our lives, the times that

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we manifested unconditional love to others.
Sometimes we may not have realized it,

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but we did. And we are
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others, not only in our deeds, but in what we didn't do,

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or in what we said, or
perhaps what we even thought. But it

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is a process of self realization or
enlightenment. And the soul consciousness does not

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do this all on its own.
It is assisted in that process by a

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being of light which has been assigned
by God to help with the life review

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and the being of light will occasionally
pause the life review and ask for the

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reflections of the soul consciousness, particularly
on how could you have handled that situation

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differently? How could you have manifested
more love and been more patient and forgiving,

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et cetera, et cetera, exactly
and again when they've come back,

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it gives them a new perspective on
how to move forward and living their lives.

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Many of them do live their lives
in a much more spiritual manner and

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very more aware, much more aware
of their actions and how and how they

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behave towards people. Indeed, that
they are full of certainty and proof of

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the afterlife. Many of the indie
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written by agnostics and atheists who do
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But afterwards, after they return to
their physical body, they all said,

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whether the religious or atheist, they
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existence of an afterlife and of the
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And this was profoundly, profoundly life
changing for them. They realized from their

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life review that life is to be
enjoyed. We are to learn lessons from

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life, and of course we're going
to encounter many challenges and struggles and problems

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in our lifetime, but that's part
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life, welcome it as an opportunity
to discern the particular lessons that you were

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sent to learn to Earth to learn. So is this challenge or problem meant

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to enlighten me on how I can
be more forgiving or patient, or how

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I should become a better listener?
And this is important going forward. So

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what did I do that was totally
selfless rather than selfish? That's what unconditional

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love is all about, manifesting love
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there's nothing in it for us.
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consistently, what matters on Earth is
regarded as insignificant, irrelevant, and superficial

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in the higher realms, power,
fame, material wealth, these things don't

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matter. The position you occupied during
your life doesn't matter. When you're having

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your life review, well what does
matter? It's the small kindnesses. One

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end of ear during the life review
was told by the being of Light that

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it's the small kindnesses that prove to
be the most profound manifestations of love that

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are brought up during the life review. You know, if you feed a

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stray cat and take it to an
animal shelter for its protection, or you're

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in a shopping center and you see
an elderly person struggling with a shopping bag

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and help them out. These to
us on earth are relatively trivial actions,

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but in the higher realms they are
regarded as profound manifestations of love, and

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those will be drawn to our attention
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i think important mark distress that when
we show love to others, that has

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a ripple effect. So if we
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they will experience love and joy and
happiness, and they will in turn spread

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that onto others. But conversely,
if we are unkind to others, show

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aggression or hatred or lack of consideration
to others, they in turn will spread

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that negative energy on to others and
that ripples out to eternity. And one

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of the main lessons of this so
called life review is to get us to

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be aware that when we exercise our
free will, the gift of free will.

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We must be very careful in the
words we choose what we do or

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do not do, even our thoughts, because they can have really significant implications

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through this ripple effect, and we
might not even foreseenness or realize that we

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are exposing ourselves to harming or hurting
others. So it is a real exercise

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in empathy. During a life review. We become our victims. We become

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the people that we showed love to
or showed hostility to, and we get

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to feel their feelings and emotions.
And this is a part of the self

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realization or enlightenment process. So,
as you said, unlike Christianity or Judaism

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or Islam, who tend to tell
us that we are judged on a reward

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punishment basis, we are not judged
or condemned. We are assisted to realize

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how we can become better, how
we can evolve and progress our soul consciousness.

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And it's an eternal process, moving
slowly but inexorably towards communion with the

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light. In some ways, it
seems like, as you've said, slowly,

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step by step, moving towards the
light. And yet a lot of

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the indie or experiencers. We'll talk
about the fact that you know, time

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is irrelevant. Time is a human
construct. In fact, coming down for

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an experience here on earth, you
could live to eighty and it feels like

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a very long eighty years, but
it's a blink of an eye in terms

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of a soul, you know,
coming from the other dimensions into having a

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human experience. To them when they
go back, it was a blink of

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an eye, even though down here
it seems to really drag. And some

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people look at all the experiences that
they've gone through and if they feel their

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go to be living a lot much
longer and having to deal with more and

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more things. I'll use myself as
an example, and as I've told you

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off air, especially the last year
and a half, I've gone through incredible

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experiences that were took a toll on
me, and I really took an emotional

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gut punch from it, from losing
my wife, lost my job, got

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COVID, then had a heart attack, and then had surgery. And it's

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been one and damn thing after another. And there are days when I sit

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there and think, oh God,
I can't do this anymore. I don't

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want to be here anymore. But
yet there is like a lot of these

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people who have had the ND experience, their time isn't done. Sent back

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because their time isn't done, they
haven't accomplished what they set out to do,

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and a lot of what they're sent
out to do is to live through

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these experiences, even as crappy as
they are, while we have to deal

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with them here in the physical we
have forgotten, or in most cases,

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society has forgotten, the fact that
we are spiritual beings having a human experience,

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and even from the worst of things
that happen to you, there are

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lessons to be learned there. There's
lessons for spiritual growth, lessons for maybe

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more empathy for other people what they're
going through, learning to take things more

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in stride, less in worrying about
the future and living for the moment,

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and trying to be a better person
instead of wallowing and self pity. What

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are your thoughts on that? Yes, indeed, Mark, you've had an

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incredible journey recently, and many of
the End of Years said in their written

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accounts that everything happens for a higher
purpose. You know, the bad stuff

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that happens in our lives as the
buddhas said, all moments pass and you've

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come through it. You alluded earlier
on to the fact that time does not

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exist in the higher realms, and
I want to come back to that because

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in my research, the end of
years have said that the sole consciousness is

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transcendental in nature, and by that
they mean that when the soul leaves the

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physical body, they are no longer
bound by constraints of space and time.

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And some of the end of years
said that in the higher realms time does

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not exist. It's nonlinear or non
sequential, and this can be corroborated in

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sacred scripture. I've written a book
about this, that in the higher realms

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God, for instance, in Hinduism, God is an absolute absolute in the

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sense that God is above space and
time. One of the end of years

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said that in the higher realms a
moment can seem like an eternity, in

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an eternity like a moment. Another
end of year said that in the higher

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realms time does not operate as it
does on Earth. In the higher realms

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there is only the present or the
present moment, and yet the present includes

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the past, all that has gone
before, in the future, all that

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will ever happen, but all of
that is happening simultaneously, and all possibilities

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are happening simultaneously. So we are
shown during the life review, if we

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had made a different decision, what
our lives would have been like. And

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this is all very mind boggling,
it's almost beyond human comprehension. But this

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is another fallacious human construct that the
End of Years speak about in their written

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accounts, that on Earth we are
used to time and space, but that's

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an earthly illusion. When we are
in the Higher realms, everything is happening

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simultaneously. We've just forgotten about that
because when we come to Earth, the

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delete button is hit and we have
collective amnesia, and we've forgotten all about

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that. But doctor Eben Alexander raised
a very interesting point which was corroborated by

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one of the indie accounts that I
read, and it's said basically that the

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sole consciousness in the Higher realms can
access any place or time on Earth.

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All the soul has to do is
think of a specific place on Earth,

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a specific historical era, and they
will be there. It's almost like a

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time travel machine. So these indie
accounts bring forth some remarkable material and some

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of it is really hard to cope
with, even beyond human comprehension. But

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life is just a fleeting, transient
illusion according to the Tibetan Book of the

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Dead. And although our lives may
drag slowly and we might encounter many challenges

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and problems and trials, it's all
for a higher purpose. We must have

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faith that it is, and it
is for the edification and evolution of the

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soul consciousness. Very well said,
and yes, I've found that in my

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research as well. And again it's
having this human experience which helps us on

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our spiritual level as we go through
our existence, both earthly and spiritually.

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Now, Douglas, your book Spiritual
Revelations from Beyond the Veil What humanity can

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learn from the near death experience?
Now, where can people find your book?

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It's available on Amazon or through my
publisher, Old Books www dot old

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books dot com. It's available on
most most online retailers and also in Brooks

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and Mortar bookshops. Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming onto

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the program and talking. And I
really recommend people to pick up this book

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because it does go through a lot
of great concepts and people any different experiences.

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So again, thank you for coming
on the program. Well, it's

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been my pleasure, Mark, and
thank you very much for having me.

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It's been great to speak with you, and thank you everyone for tuning into

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another edition of the Paranormal UK Radio
Show, the flagship show here on the

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Paranormal UK Radio Network and as Irene
would say, normally you can find us

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will catch you all next time.
Be good humans and have a great da