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you can't keep it. Really, if you really don't trust me,
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of course, as always to my left, we have the esteemed Casper the
friendly Ghost. Hello, nice to see you, good, good to have
you here. Appreciate you joining us. Yeah, yeah, that's a good
one. That's so funny. But yeah, we were gonna have a lot
of that great back and forth between me and him. But we've got a
lot to talk about today. Brad Holmes went on the Flagship station talking about
what's gonna go on with Jared Goff and his extension. He also talked about
the wide receiver position and what they think they need to do. Are they
okay with Donavin People's jones? Do they want to add somebody else? What's
happening there? And the list killers are back in full effect because they just
keep giving us lists to kill. It's it's not we don't ask for this
title. It's just lists are put out there and they are ready to be
killed. And it's just I don't know, I don't know. I don't
know why they keep doing it. One involves your beautiful GM Brad Holmes,
and one involves your beautiful backfield in David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs. We're gonna
break all of that down. The first things. First, Happy birthday to
Steve Eison. Steve Eisman, the man that Nick Koloff does not trust at
all. He thinks that guys are playing has failed already. He thinks he's
a bum. He tells him to get the fuck out of here. He
doesn't trust him at all, But I do. I still have faith in
you, Stevie, and I'm ready for the Wings to make a playoff run
next year, even though Nick thinks were terrible. I just wanted it this
year, Spanny. I'm seeing all this playoff hockey makes me want it even
more that we should have had it. What's up? You mute? You
can't hear me? No, I can. It's coming through, Chris,
you got me. Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah, I think
that's on your side there, But I can hear everything else. I just
can't hear you. You can hear Chris. Yeah, that's so weird.
I don't know where that is. I'll try to figure that out. What
a bum. He's the sound guy. Yeah right, yeah, talk about
it a sound guy. Sound much. Happy birthday, Stevie. Yeah,
I mean, no excuses next year. I don't want to hear it if
we're not in the playoffs. So that's where I'm at with it, Chris,
Happy birthday, Stevie? Why? Yeah? Of course, of course
that's one of the goats, like, what are we doing here? This
man is single handedly bringing the Red Wings back to glory. You love it.
Back to glory, back to relevance first of all, and then get
to the glory. But yeah, happy birthday. To Steve Eisman nineteen nineteen
as a play in full effect. Gotta love that. Another thing simpop.
You know, the awards for the NBA have been rolling out this week.
We've gotten the sixth Man of the Year was Nasried, the Defensive Player of
the Year was Rudy Goldber, and we got the MVP announced yesterday, which
is kind of surprising. Honestly. Jokicic won the MVP again. Yeah,
over the likes by a landslide. Yeah, it wasn't really close. Over
the likes of Shake Gilgess, Alexander who was the best player on the best
team in the NBA, and Luka Doncic, who. I mean, you
can reason why Luka Dancis didn't win it, but Jokic winning again even though
the Nuggets kind of struggled for their standards. Do you think that was the
right pick? Yeah? I think he was the best player in the regular
season. I don't want to get too caught up in this series. It
does remind me of another great European big that also kind of had a similar
situation happened to him in Dirk Nowitzki. When Dirk won his MVP, he
was also on the verge of getting bounced in the playoffs, So I gotta
wonder it's weird timing. Usually the MVP is given in the first round,
and if he won by a landslide, why did we wait all this time?
But I think he deserved it. I think he is the best player
in the NBA. I think is out playing him in this series, and
I think that if Ant really takes this further, he could take that thrown.
But I think right now it's still Yoka check number one. So best
player had an amazing season, was you know right there for the one seed.
I don't see a problem with him winning. I don't know about you.
Yeah, I mean you look at his stats on the season, and
he was averaging like twenty six and a half points per game, nine rebounds.
If he had like sixty eight double doubles on the season or something that
like that, while Shea had he did average thirty one or thirty two points
per game whatever that was. He only had like eight double doubles on the
year, So he was the best player on the best team. But he's
kind of just a score. He plays great defense as well, but he
doesn't facilitate as much. Jokic we know he does a little bit of everything
where he's gonna rebund the ball. We know he's the best passer in the
NBA and as well as a guy who can get you some buckets. So
I'm not too mad about it. I think that I would have voted for
Shay. Honestly, if I had an MVP vote, I would have voted
for Shay just because I think the best player on the best team. And
it's not like he was. It's not like Jokic was heading shoulders better than
Shaye this year. Like it was a pretty close race, and I think
being the number one seed was such a young team gives you the oomph to
get that to get that win. But it is what it is. I'm
not gonna die on the hill about Shaye deserving it. SGA revenge game to
Nights didn't get the MVP. Braylan mentioned it on E and E. So
watch out for a big game from Shaye to Knight. But this came a
year late for me and Nicola Jokic because I had a big, big part
lay bet last season and uh Embiid wanted over him. So yeah, do
you think it's kind of a makeup call or a makeup vote. I could
see it a little bit for for Jokic not getting it last year. No,
No, Embiid was a ball last year. I'm not mad at either
one of those. Whichever way it went, I think I I think I
actually ended up voting Embiid. I'm pretty sure I did, but it was
neck and neck for me. So no, man, Yeah, yeah,
it's it's they both Definitely, if either one of them won it, I
wouldn't be freaking out. I think they both deserved it, and Jokic got
it because he does more offensively, even though Shay is much better defensively than
Jokicic is. But it's fine. I'm not mad at it. Let's talk
about your knicks, man, Let's talk about you. Let's talk about the
knicks, because honestly, I'm a little nervous because all the injuries going down.
Obviously, Julius Randall's out, Mitchell Robinson is out, and og Ananoby
kind of pulled a hammy last night and we don't know how he is going
to be out. But my gout. Jalen Brunson, speaking of injured players,
came back in in the second half after injuring his foot in the second
quarter and was giving the Pacers buckets, absolute buckets. It's awesome to watch.
Josh Hart has been playing lights out. Josh Hart is having like his
Andrew Like twenty twenty one Andrew Wiggins playoff run is like what Josh Hart is
doing. He's doing a little bit of everything. He's scoring, he's assisting,
he's rebounding, he's playing defense. It's fun to watch. And you've
got guys like Dante DiVincenzo stepping up, hitting clutch buckets. Isaiah Hartenstein,
Damn near At a triple double last night, played his ass off. I
loved watching the Knicks. It was a great game. It's like not what
the Knicks play like at all, Like they gave up I think like one
hundred and twenty points, but still it was a great game. Down to
the wire Knicks Pacers and old rivalry renewed in the garden. You love to
see that. And like I said, my guy guy Jalen Bruns out there
serving buckets, So I'd love to see that. He's been He's been phenomenal.
But you know what, this Indiana team, I think the point total
that you mentioned is the product of that is the high pace in Indiana is
a very good offensive team and a very poor defensive team. So even the
good teams like New York defensively are going to end up in shootouts or high
scoring games just because of the nature that Indiana plays with. But you're right
about the injuries, man, It's it's why I got a little hesitant before
game one. I got a little bit of cold feet. I thought New
York was gonna beat Indiana, no problem. Then I got just a little
bit of cold feet before because it's just injury after injury with this team,
man, and it's the most important players on your team. It's yeah,
three starters being injured. It's not like it's random guys. But it's it's
awesome to see them work it out. Like I said, Dante DiVincenzo is
coming up with some clutch buckets in the fourth quarter to kind of give them
the win. Their precious Achua stepped in, had some big offensive rebounds,
some big plays down the stretch. Like they're a deep team, man,
And this is without like Timms has it. It's like a seven man rotation.
Like Bogie's not getting minutes, Burke's isn't getting a minute, Like these
guys down the stretch are I think Burke's played like forty seconds in the last
game like it's it's they're running a seven man rotation, partially because of the
injuries, but partially because you got guys out there that can do everything.
And when Josh Hart's playing like he is, Isaiah Hartenstein's playing like he is,
it's hard to take guys like that off the court. So I love
seeing it. Also, one more quick NBA thing, Frank Vogel fired today
just an hour ago. How are you feeling about that? I don't I
don't give a shit anymore, Like I don't care what NBA teams or gms
or what they're looking for in coaches is absolutely fucking stupid in this era,
they're just looking to appease their stars. They're not local looking for good coaches.
Because when guys like Mike Budenholzer and guys like Frank Vogel can win championships
and then get fired, it's just it doesn't make sense to me. And
you bringing in guys like Darvin Ham and Doc Rivers who have never done shit
other than get carried once by Doc Rivers. You're bringing these guys into a
piece stars and make sure that they don't get mad rather than be actual good
coaches. It's embarrassing for the league, Like, you got guys that won
championships getting tossed aside for guys that are friends with your superstars. It's that's
why you're losing. That's why you're getting swept in the first round. If
you're Phoenix, that's why you're getting swept in the first round. If you're
the Lakers, Like, it's embarrassing, and that's why teams like Miami.
That's why teams like Miami are still continuously reaching the finals despite not having the
best record. You know, that's why they're performing well in the playoffs is
because they have that continuity up front with the coaching staff, and they found
it. They found a coach that actually gets the most out of their players
and has created a culture where everybody buys in. I mean, you look
at you look at Michael Malone's same thing in Denver. He's been there,
he's been there for years. It's been a consistent staff. So I think
that's really the key. And you're right, they're getting lost in it.
Frank Vogel, especially man, this is the second time in three years.
This man has gotten fired just because his stars, his stars had to throw
him under the bus. Yeah, it's ridiculous, And like easy said the
Bucks, it's true. Like you look at what happened with Adrian Griffin,
Like he had them as the number one seed in the East, and then
you fire him because Giannis doesn't like him, and you bring in Doc Rivers
and it falls apart. Like I know Gianni's being hurt played a big role
in it well as well, but they were pretty trash for the first two
months of Doc Rivers being their head coach. It's it's not you shouldn't just
be hiring coaches to appease your stars or make sure your stars are happy and
make sure they have their bowl of green m and ms and Mike and Ike's
without the mics. Like, make sure that they're good coaches who bring out
the best of your stars. Like not everybody got along with Chuck Daily,
but he produced fucking results. It's what happens. You need a hard asses
coach sometimes, especially when these guys are already paying and overflaunted and can sit
out as many games as they want and can request trades for no reason,
like the NBA is getting to a point where the players run the league,
and I guess that's what they want, that's what Adam Silver wants. But
it's tough for coaches to like do anything. You can't do anything if you're
a head coach, because if you do something that upsets the superstar, then
you get fired, even if it means you're winning more games. Look at
your knicks for that reason as well. Do they coach them hard? The
coach to play defense? And you got three guys out of Villanova that might
literally I don't know why the hell you guys can't hear me. Chris can
hear me here? Yeah, I can hear you. We'll just switch it
up. But I wanted to shout out Villa Nova because watching this next team,
it's literally like watching them kick the shit out of Michigan in that national
championship game. No surprise to me that these guys are having success. It's
I mean, it's crazy to see. I mean, I guess that is
the surprise that the second rounder and Dante g Vincenzo, it's like bringing me
back to those days when they're balling out in college. Josh Hart won a
championship for Villanova I'm pretty sure Brunson and Devincenzo won two championships for Villanova.
Like, those guys have the pedigree and they already play together. They Jay
Wright is a fantastic coach, and they know how to take coaching well.
And you look at the Knicks, like the Knicks don't have a superstar,
Like if you consider Jalen Brunson the superstar, now, I'll give it to
you. But on paper this year, they didn't have a superstar going forward,
but they're one of the best coach or they're one of the best teams
in the East. Because Tom Thibodau would say what you want about him,
he's a great coach. And like people don't like playing for Tom Thibodeau,
Like unless you're fucking TJ. Why can't I think it was Natash Gibson or
loual Dang or Joe Kim Noah, you don't like playing for Tom Thibdau.
But he's a damn good coach and he knows how to win basketball games.
And so that's what the Knicks went with because the Knicks don't have that kind
of I don't know that I can't think of the word like or not Aura,
but like the the star being this pri Madonna kind of thing, they
don't have that on the team. Their star is Jalen Brunson, who is
approaching superstar level, but he's a very down to earth and humble guy,
so he's never gonna be demanding coaches get fired, demanding you make trades for
Russell Westbrook that destroy your entire franchise. Like, no, he goes out
there, he plays ball, and he gets buckets. So New York's got
a hell of a future man. They got all their picks, they got
tradeable players, they got They got a guy who who was flirting with all
NBA coming coming back, not this season, but presumably next season. Randall,
like you got You gotta love the position you're in if you're in New
York. Yeah, and they and they did, like what the MAVs did
at the trade deadline, where you don't bring in a superstar to change things
up. You bring in very very good players like Berks and Boyan and og
Ananobi that are gonna compliment the other guys you have, Like og was going
absolutely nuts until he got hurt. We're gonna we're gonna talk a lot of
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me in here, so just be patient with me. Pack show for you
guys, though, Let's get it. We'll figure out at some point.
At some point, uh, if you could a link Peter Kowski greement Packers
will be doing the show today, He was, yeah really? Oh yeah
about the Lions. Oh dam, the Packers have a better roster y.
The Lion's don't have complandard pieces on the offense. Wow, you know,
I think yeah, I think it is. When as I remember to contact
him, that'll be a interesting conversation. Yeah, I mean we've had him
on before. He's really good, So yeah, he has a lot of
things were locked on too. But speaking of conversations, speaking at rosters,
who was this to put this off? Spking these top ten gms? Uh,
this was a Pro Football Talk disgusting. Yeah, wow, we'll talk
about it. Throw up there, Chris boom So, Yeah, this is
a Pro Football Talks top ten GM ratings. At number one, you got
Hollie Roseman from the Eagles, which I'm not mad at a Number two you
got Brent Veach for the Chiefs, which again I'm not mad at that either.
Number three you got Eric DaCosta for the Ravens, which like, why,
I yeah, I can't tell you a lot of great things he's I
mean, they've made some great draft picks for sure, but he didn't Jack
lamar No. At number four. Number four, you got Brian Guttencust from
the Green Bay Packers ahead of the number five GM, the reigning executive of
the Year one, Braderick Holmes the end of the Detroit Lions. And if
you were to tell me that Brad Holmes is at number five and Less Snead
was behind him, I'd say you're smoking crack. Like the only way,
the only way I would say that it would make sense that Brad Holmes is
lower than four is if like, if you wanted to put Eric DaCosta up
there, I wouldn't agree with it, but I'm not I'm not going to
kill you for it. But guten Coust ahead of him and Less Snead is
fucking crazy. I think Brad Holmes should be in the top three, maybe
even maybe four. But having Less Snead and Brad Holmes behind Gutencus that's like,
what what did they do to deserve that? What? What did he
do that's so great? Drafted some good receivers? Let Jordan Love? Wait
did he even draft Jordan Love? I'm checking right now. I don't like
that's a little that's a little glaze to me that that one's like wild wild
just because yeah, they may if he drafted Jordan Love, maybe there's an
argument. I mean, I really I don't have one for him, man,
I really don't. Okay, his first draft class, he drafted the
Aria Alexander. You want to judge after that, Josh Jackson, do you
know who that is? No? No, no clue. Orrin Burks was
his third round pick. Do you know who that is? Jamon Moore?
Is he in the NFL anymore? No, he's not the only guy.
There's two of them, Mark Quez Valdez Scantling and Ecuanamia Sam Brown. The
other the guys are on the team. Correct. He did drive for Shuan
Gary. That's a good pick. Darnald Savage, that's a good pick.
Elton Jenkins, that's a good pick. Those are all good picks. Everything
after that not so much. But to be fair, well, Darnold Savage
is also another first round pick, though I mean, shout out, gun
guy to take your pants off. He's still hit. And yes, he
did select Jordan Love in twenty twenty at pick twenty six A J Dillon,
Eric Stokes, the following year's first round pick, Josh Myers, and Mario
Rodgers. He's not over bred Holmes, No, sorry a year Alexander probably
all pro s, Shan Gary, gott one uh DNC. And he says,
Goody's been putting him work, all them first rounders on that defense.
Yeah, he hasn't been putting it more work than Brad Holmes. How many?
How many? How many all pros? Does he turned around out of
his draft classes two. Yeah, ye're probably one. Yeah, year for
sure. I think that's it. Dude, Sean Garry didn makeo pro No,
I don't think with Sean Garry's I mean he's been good. I don't
think he's made it all pro. Nick, you want to check that for
us, Shaun Gary. If he's made all pros, then I can guarantee
you that. And I want to say Jordan Morgan. He was forty seven
on Daniel Jeremiah, which obviously isn't say all. But I believe they reached
for Jordan Morgan at twenty five as well in this draft. I think so
too. I agree that that was a reach. And yeah, I mean
he's made some good picks, but he hasn't had a better drafting regiment than
Brad Holmes. Yeah, he was inheriting a playoff team. He was inheriting
a team that won the division like this is not like he took the Lions
from the bottomless pit that they were at into the NFC Championship game. I
haven't seen him do that. Did the Packers make the NFC Championship Game in
the past couple of years or did I miss that? He lost the Niners
like two years ago. Yeah, but again with the team he inherited for
the most part. Yeah, and with Aaron Rodgers, And like this is
he doesn't get credit for that. You don't get credit for just keeping a
team humming doesn't make you a top four GM. In my that doesn't put
you over less Snead a guy that's won a Super Bowl or Brad Holmes,
a guy that's built an NFC championship team out of nothing, Like, yeah,
that's kind of blasphemous for me. Like maybe if the Packers were trash
when he took him over, like if they didn't have a Hall of Fame
quarterback and already a great roster around them, then I would say, okay,
yeah, put him up there. But he just kept He didn't do
anything to change the trajectory or change the tides of Packers culture. He just
kept it humming. He made some good picks, for sure, but he
didn't revolutionize who the Packers were. Brad Holmes changed a franchise in three years.
It's it's kind of crazy. And he'd heared it a bad team,
a terrible terrible team, like turnover team, terrible talent, terrible cap spin
like their their books were a mess. He's turned it all around, every
last piece of it he's turned around. I just maybe there's they pro football
talk by the way they hate the Lions. Christen is probably the only guy
that every once in a while may give like a little leeway or love to
the Detroit Lions. Mike Florya is one of the most biased national reporters.
Yeah, Mike floria He's definitely in there. He's definitely like top five when
it comes to the most biased guys reporting as non bias people. He hates
the Lions for whatever reason is maybe pepper grinds for sure, I would understand
that a lot more of Detroit Lions were like Thegreemit Packers are winning Nercy North
at the Nercy North and all that good ship. We had that rich history
to like bury the Minnesota Vikings with, but we don't. I have zero
clue why this guy hates the Detroit Lions so much. But Brad being top
five, I feel like we maybe wind a little bit too much. Yes,
But at the same point though, just guten Kust being at three or
was it four for Gutenks was it four? Just being in the top five
alone, I guess it is like it's a big head scratcher. For myself,
I think he had some good draft classes, but like to put him
top five over Brad Holmes specifically, I guess it is like a head scratcher
again because we inherited a bad team. Yeah, turn it all around with
the MC Conference championship game. He's done it through draft picks, He's done
through trades, Gutencus, like you said, inherit and already playoff team for
the Hall of Fame quarterback and kind of cut things afloat the one year at
Jordan Love that was a hit, late round pick. That was a hit.
Yeah, well I'm not putting them over b at Home. Still No.
And I think if you pulled gms or ball knowers around the country,
I think the unanimous top four in whatever order you want would be Roseman,
veach Less, Snead, and Brad Holmes. Like in any order, those
would be your top four. I don't think it's questionable that should be everyone's
top four. Is a any those four in any order, and I don't
think it's close. I think it's those four and then it's a pretty big
drop off. I'm kind of with you. I mean, I don't have
my laptop to look at that. Actually, Christy budlist up again real quick,
Yeah, got my laptops. I could be because the other guys he
has, He's got the Bengals GM like Brown and Duke Tobbyn, Brandon Bean
of the Bills, Jason Litt of the of the Buccaneers, and John Schneider
of the Seahawks. I think it's the top four, like I said of
Roseman, Veitch, Less Neat, and Brad Holmes, and then there's a
pretty big drop off and then you look at Ta Costa and Goudenhurst and then
another drop off and then the rest. Because I like Goudener's he's not a
bad GM. I'm not saying that. He's definitely made some great draft picks
too, not top not ahead of Brad Holmes or Less Snaed. That's where
I get mad. He's definitely a good GM, but he's not ahead of
those two. Yeah, just a head scratch it for me as a guy
who tries to find the reasons why you see these kind of things, I
can't really do it for this one. Yeah. Rashaan Gary no Pro Bowl,
no All Pro, first of all, second of all on Brad Holmes
point front or front. We talked about it a little bit yesterday, but
Jared Goff was thrown to the Wolves. They added the two first round picks
for that because of that contract. He's turned him like completely rejuvenated him and
now this team was just in the NFC Championship game. He's insulated him quite
well with all of the young talent, and Brad Holmes deserves full credit for
that. I think he's easily top three on this list. Gudenhurst, Guten
Coons, Google Coust. However he say his name, no disrespect him,
Gutenberg. I think it's Google Houst, Guten Coust. But like, come
on, man, he's not better than Brad Holmes. Let's seed there there
there is serious bias behind that. Mike Florio, you're a chump. Get
over yourself. Yeah, honestly, and I know he's a Vikings fan.
But again that's why I mentioned like it, we diffinitely try lines win division
of the division at the division, you know, strongholding the Vikings is if
we did what we just did the rebad Packers and knock him out of the
playoffs like I would, I would get why Mike Foyle hates the detro liance
so much or has a bias against Detroy lines. But that's not the case.
He's just hater or just he's not a dumb guy. I don't I
don't know. Again, it's it's that time here though this season. They
know we were all up one of the few fan bases that have its own
digital network per se. So maybe it's on. It's tical. I don't
know. If you're If you look me in the eyes and you tell me,
Guten Coust, is it better GM than less Sneed or Brad Holmes,
I'm gonna look you in the eyes and tell you you're an idiot. I
gotta be honest too, even the Costa from from Yeah, I'm not putting
him over Brad Holmes either. I really can't. What no single funck has
he done. I mean, he's made some good picks, He's bolstered dead,
made some good signings. Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton's bringing Marcus Williams.
I don't know if he drafted Marlon Humphrey or not. Trade again, traded
for Rokwan Smith. That was a good trade. Yeah, he made drafted.
Uh, what's our guy in the middle name, It's he's made some
first where you forgot a name it. I'm the one, remember, Yeah,
that's just tripped me out. He's made some nice moves for sure.
But again I'm not putting that over Brad Holmes because the Ravens are a perennial
playoff contender that when you manage a team like that, like Brad Holmes is
the only one. I would say Brad Holmes in less Need and Brent Viach
are the only ones on this list that like built their teams from kind of
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I don't know if you got it or not. Okay, cool. So
Brad Holmes on local radio, obviously I saw coup Comms womb Sports chat already
about it, but he had these things say about j Yeah. I mean,
well, well the first and foremost, you know, he's he's earned
any and it's it's it's important, it's it's a high priority for us.
And both sides are working really really hard, and and these things just take
time, you know. And and this this working on not only trying to
get an extension done with him, but you know, like I said,
panay and saying, it's not something that would wait until after the season to
start planning for, you know, like they we the whole process of budgeting
and preparation and all that that kind of goes into We've been preparing for a
while. And look, in a perfect world, we'd have had all three
of them done, bang bang bang, you know, but these things just
kind of take a while, especially with the quarterback market. But I do
have faith that it's going to get done. And there you have it a
lot of discussion about this, which is pretty much the same it's been on.
Although I did see a quote, and forgive me if for not listening
there, I probably should have of highest priority was that? I think I
do remember him saying that. Actually, yeah, he said it was a
highest priority. It's something that he's been trying to get done, something both
teams have been working at very hard to get done. And so it sounds
like the Lions like they want to do it. They would, they have
their offer. They I'm sure they've presented it to Jared Goff's camp. I
still think it boils back to the years. I think that's really what is
what the two camps are apart at. I think we've heard Brad Holmes and
the Detroit Lions want a two or three year extension and Jared Goff and his
team are looking more than four or five years for that long term kind of
safety. That long term yet, Like, I think that's what it is.
I think they're set at a number. Like you can't really debate numbers
at this point. It's going to be anywhere between forty seven and fifty million
dollars a year. Yep, So I think they're going to be right in
this same range around there. I really think it boils down to how many
years they're looking to give up. I'm with you. I think it's more
of a year thing. And mean, at least it's what we're being told.
Are things that we're hearing. Nothing's confirmed by Brad Holmes himself obviously don't
have that those type of sources. I think the Lion's organization. That's one
thing I love about this one. For this organization per Se is like you
can guestimate and maybe you hear rumblings of conversations being had based off other gms
and leaks in their situation. Rat Holmes, there's never that. That's why
when it comes like draft time, we have no fucking fluence going on.
Yeah, there are no leaks. So I can't say for sure that it's
the years, But that's just the things that we have heard. That's what
it makes sense. Like what are the other things that they could be arguing
about. They're not gonna hold this up over a two million dollar difference in
yearly salary. I can't guarantee I can't think it's gonna be guarantees or fully
like. Golf wouldn't be too mad about it being guaranteed or front loaded or
whatever because he's already got so much money from his other deals. Oh know
though, man, because everybody else is getting these fat deals and they're getting
them guaranteed. Yeah, I feel it's at the trend of the NFL con.
I mean, look at Kirk Cousins. But we just saw the Lions
are not afraid to give guaranteed money. They gave Amora Saint Brown the most
guaranteed money for a wide receiver. They gave Penny Suol a lot of guaranteed
money. I really think we guaranteed money and there's quarterback. We haven't seen
them give years like that, we haven't. I don't think Golf wants to
sign a two or three year extension. I think he wants the security of
a four or five year extension. And we've we haven't seen Brad Holmes give
out contracts like that other than to his young first team all pro guys.
It'd be fair or not be fair, but it'd be easy for me to
take that information too. And again not confirmed by anyone, but it'd be
easy for me to take that and be like, oh, look it.
He doesn't want to make the commitment with the golf. But at the same
time, like it's abo outside of Amara and Pennay, he's kind of really
only given those sep of contracts out. The only person he signed for two
years outside of Amaraan and Penney School was DJ Reader, and he signed him
for three years. Like, it's not like he's going out there giving four
year, five year deals to Jamie Collins and Trey Flowers and stuff like that.
That's not how he operates. And I think he's doing this because he
sees Goff as a very good player. He wants to keep him around.
But they really really value financial and cap flexibility on this team, and signing
a quarterback to a fifty million dollars deal for five years is nowhere near being
financially or cap flexible. And we've seen Brad Holmes at his best drafting all
of these key players that we've talked about. The last thing he wants to
do is cripple himself into a spot where he cannot re sign his own guys,
like he's already done. So that's why obviously he's going to be smart
with Jared Goff's numbers and the term on his contract. This is just a
smart play here, And obviously he's going to come out in public back his
guy. We're going on the Super Bowl run this year. That's what he's
gonna say. He's never gonna say out loud that, you know, this
isn't now our number one priority. So, yeah, he did everything right
here. Now, I'm with you to that. That's the part of as
well, Like if there is some hit an agenda or Hennon Hooker is your
contingency, He's never gonna go outright and say that. Yeah, when Jared
Goff is like the leader as of now, when Jared Goff is gonna be
your starting quarterback heading into the season, granted a miracle, Henenhooker or somebody
else looking like freaking Patrick Mahomes two point zero, even in this neer,
they'll probably gonna give golf the rings until under this year at least. Yeah,
yeah, they're not. They're this year is set. They're not gonna
do anything crazy to break up the chemistry, the cohesion and and the just
flat out balling that this offense has been doing. In a year where you're
trying to win a super Bowl. They're not gonna do anything to break that
up. I don't think Jared Goff does anything to break that up, even
if he doesn't sign his deal. I would be extremely extremely surprised if Jared
Goff held out, even if he didn't get a deal, because it's he
knows that this is his best chance to win a Super Bowl. He's already
got a shit ton of money. He knows he's gonn to get paid regardless
I could. I would be extremely extremely surprised to see him hold out.
So I think this year we'll see man. I wouldn't be surprised if they
get it done at training camp, because we saw other guys last year get
their deals done around training camp, like a Joe Burrow, like a Justin
Herbert. Those extensions got done kind of in training camp, and the guys
you're looking at to sign deals this year are all in that same kind of
boat with two a tongue of aloa Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence.
Those are the extensions we're gonna see this year, and none of them
have really broke the bank just yet, so I would not be surprised to
see Jared Goff get his deal done with the first couple weeks of camp.
I'm within that one. That's a phenomenal point and I had the names right
for that one. But yeah, that's what's kind of going on, guys
getting the deals done in training camp and right after training camp. And again
I would even trip if it was something that happened after the fact, Like
it's no, I've already conceived to the fact that Jared Goff is gonna stay
here. I think that's everyone's kind of like recognized that. I mean,
maybe Tita Todter and ivatez yabout Henton Hooker being that guy, but it's they're
gonna at least at the very least give him that, like you said that
first two years guaranteed third year option on the team end like they've done Daniel
Jones, Geno Smith. Yes, because I think that's the kind of deal
they're trying to give exactly. And then the thing is too, like you
don't even know what Henden Hooker is both ways talking about good end or bad.
Yes, I mean it sounds like they gush over him for sure,
but like we still don't know what that is for Damn sure, so he's
doing the right way. I don't think anybody should be discouraged or I mean,
he could be encouraged. But again, it's not really new information.
We knew this was gonna happen, and I just said, like, I
wouldn't be surprised that if they don't get it done at camp or a round
camp. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't get it done to start the
season. I wouldn't be surprised if they go through the season, they play
out the season and let it happen. Because I heard, you know,
the other that station in town saying like, oh, it's going to be
a distraction if you don't get it done. That's all they're gonna ask about.
That's bullshit. Yeah, Jared Goff is always asked about. He's a
professional. He is a consummate professional. Is let Wojo or or one of
the Lions report Broder asking him, Hey, do you think you're gonna get
your deal this week? What's going on there? That's not gonna distract him
from going out there and being the quarterback for the Detroit Lions. If they're
you could say whatever you want about Jared Goff and We've said a lot of
things about Jared Goff. You cannot say the man is not a professional.
He goes in there, he takes care of business. He's a company man,
and he's not gonna let something like that distract him for his goal and
his team's goal of winning a Super Bowl. I'm not worried about that in
the slightest. Yeah, I don't see this stopping them from achieving things they
want to achieve. I think it's the too close now and I think he's
got too much of a redemption arc in his life as well as his team,
and they've kind of done it together too, like Brad bringing Jared from
the same organization, Like that's there's anybody that if you see it obviously saw
him get traded, you saw like him being bad mouthed by media whatnot.
There's anybody that has faith he as Brad Holmes. So why not give him
that same I guess return that favor and that say because he kind of like
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Uh, you can feel a little more comforts when you've seen a guy
that has actually done it. But some guys that have actually done it,
you've seen them do it in the past. But those guys are older,
and so just because you've seen a guy do it in the past, he
may not look the same of doing it the same way, uh, when
you're forecasting it to what's going to look like in the future. So so
with that said, we feel really good about the upside and the development of
the guys that we currently have. That that's not saying that we won't add
that's a that's a position that you know, especially when you get into camp.
Uh, you know, those guys put a lot of yardage on the
field, and so you always got to kind of at some point you need
to add a guy here or there when when some attrition comes. But we
feel really good about the guys we have, and obviously we we we have
an a lead one that we just did a deal with, and you know,
we have Jamison Williams and then coming on very very strong, and uh
we have we have high hopes for him and we we we like where he's
at at this point, and we know that he's just going to continue to
get better. People's Jones, you know, we we we traded for he
was a he was a big time core player for the Cleveland Browns before we
traded for him. But we traded for him even though the guy comes in
late and he doesn't really know the offense, and so then he hadn't seen
people Jones and then we all kind of get into the recency bias of well,
what people Jones gonna do? He hasn't no people Jones can play and
so he he he does provide uh an element of being able to play on
the outside and being a contested catch guy and you know, being able to
do it multiple things. And you know, we're really excited about Antoine Green,
about how he's he's he's came along and you know, he's another guy
that has size, he has speed, and he's the guy that kept getting
better and better and better from what we've seen throughout the year. I know
he didn't get a ton of like targets in games for the world to see,
but us being h internally with him every single day throughout the season were
really like, like, he's going. We really like Khalif Raymond obviously that
we signed, we extended last year, so we really like our Yeah,
And I mean I kind of told you that. I tried to tell you
that, Like we talked about how Brad Holmes said it would have been an
a plus offseason if only by the receivers. By the way, Yeah,
only getting Josh Reynolds was the one thing that he wanted to do. I
think that was more of a comfortability with Golf standpoint rather than a lacking talent
standpoint. Like I think they like where they're at with the talent group in
the wide receiver room, but they wanted to bring back Reynolds just because him
and Golf have such a good chemistry together. And I said, like I'm
confident that Donovan People's Jones could step up and be a good receiver in this
offense. I know what he can do. I've seen him do it before,
Like I've seen him do it in Cleveland where he had almost a thousand
yards receiving. I've seen him go out there and make plays. He's a
big guy, he is physical, he is athletic, he's fast, he
could play outside. He's gonna be probably the number two red zone threat on
this team next year. So I have a lot of faith in what Donovan
People's Jones can bring to this team. I have a lot of faith in
Jamison Williams taking a leap and being more involved in the offense. We know
Khalif Raymond is the lunch pale, hard hat guy who when his numbers called,
he's gonna produce. And we saw it on Green showed some flashes last
year, especially in the preseason when he was getting some snaps. He saw
his playmaking ability and his one cut ticket to the house ability. So I'm
pretty confident with where the wide receiver group is now. And like I've been
saying, look out for those post camp cuts where you get a guy who's
been around the league, who is a journeyman kind of guy, doesn't make
a roster like pay attention to Tennessee. They brought in a bunch of wide
receivers. We were talking about that one of those guys gets cut. That's
an easy ground ball that you could pick up and throw in your lineup.
So I'm not worried about the wide receiving corps. I mean, there's nothing
else to really say it. To be honest, he's Beinny. You said
everything I wanted to say. Donovipe Jones. We know what he's done in
Cleveland. Cliff Raymond, he has been wide receiver three already in this team,
arguably because you've seen jam will more than likely stop up into that wide
receiver two category. And then, yeah, the guy I'm probably most said
about is is how it is a lot of young players. Is the young
one and that's Antoine Green. And as you said, I think there's more
a Panthers game. He kind of like balled out and really it was one
thing. It was like two or three receptions, but nonetheless he saw the
playmaking ability for him to take that bitch far down and even if you watch
back his highlights at North Carolina He is that type of player. He's the
big play player. That's what he does, is kind of It was head
scratching to me initially that he lasted to the seventh round. The same could
be said though too another late round pick this year out of Oregon, the
kid Troy Franklin. He went late two. Similar style played, in my
opinion to Antoine Green. But I think there's more than enough people that can
step up that side of production. And as you said, I think the
Josh Renaalds stuff was just more the comfortability. I know that's what it was
for me personally. I knew that we can get to MC Conference championship with
him in there. As you wide receiver three, I still feel pretty fairly
confident we can still do that without him. But again, you're just more
comfortable having him in your back pocket, or him as your third option or
even to your second option in a situation where Jane was not readily available.
You know Calvin Johnson's instude just the other day, and he and Braylan I
know their personal opinions on the matter, and bray when he asked the person,
don't get yourself in trouble. Jamil is talented yes, he is just
stay healthy. Another part of it. I know last year you heard himself
in the Dallas game to that big play. If you have watched him,
I just supposed to highlight of him making the second touchdown against Sam Frien.
You see him kind of like limping his way back to the Highland, and
then afterward, if he's hardened his body and be readily available, then I'd
be more even supremely more confident in the other pieces we have and the way
Ben Johnson operates. Who's gonna utilize each and every one of those guys the
best of the ability. I've told Hi Kleef Raymond, Antoine Greena'm sure he's
just this year role this year too, and obviously DPJ two Nick. Yeah,
the thing that stands out to me the most is that he didn't have
the rapport with golf. He came in mid season and we've seen it with
Jamison Williams. If he doesn't trust you, he is not going to throw
you the ball. So that's where I'm at with DPJ. A full off
season to work with and I think he's going to be just fine. And
we gave up draft capital to get him. I think he was the first
player that Brad's acquired at the Daal line. Just off the top of my
head, it was DPJ. So I think he's going to be a big
part of this offense. Is that third wide receiver? Chris? What do
you got? Didn't hear a word you said? But I'm gonna disagree with
you out a pure spite. Yeah, so as I laughed at the air
condition yeah, we could almost hear what you were saying. And then the
air conditioning came out. He did He tossed it. Yeah, he tossed
it to me. Is that, Chris? What are you thinking? You
just go I didn't hear a word, but no. I think I think
was interesting was that he mentioned DPJ, like right right off rip as the
third receiver after Aman Jamo, And I know we've all said that, but
I just think it's interesting that that kind of confirms that he is wide receiver
three for anybody question that. The other thing that Easy brought up that does
get me a little nervous is Jamo. What happens if he's not healthy for
a period. But I mean, we've seen this team go down without amen
Ra for a game or two and survived, so as long as it's nothing,
you know, long term, I think this, this receiving corps has
enough talent around it. And I'm glad that he mentioned Antoine Green because I
was a player that as you know, last year, I was very excited
for I was even really hoping for him to get more reps and he just
he just didn't, which was understandable considering the receiving core we have. But
overall, I I feel confident. I feel confident in it. It can
get the job done. But I would like that whether it's trade deadline,
post camp cut, that one more veteran piece that I just okay. I
like now we're loaded, because you can never be too loaded at wide receiver.
Great point, Chris J. Washington said, Chris, just like a
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my god, Lions wide receiver situation. I think it can happen.
Yeah, Oh it's good. That'll be good. Fine, they'll be fine.
Because the other thing, too, is we have seen this team short
without I'm st. Brown. There's two factors. That's why I say context
always matters. We're nice throw numbers and like, yeah, it's all good.
Look at this, not how this thing works, but the context run
into the situation we have. I'm around St. Brown. Last year we
was a Dallas Cowboys game, not last year, the year prior, two
years ago now Dallas Cowboys game Patriots game. Two awful outings for this offense.
But one was Bill Belichick, who, all fairness kind of just own
Jared Goff up to that point. Yes, and you didn't have to.
Yeah, two might go out on top because he's not coaching. We have
Sam Importer now too. Mm hmm. Like we're talking about the wide receivers,
like you know, you're talking about guys who catched the ball. Sami
Porta, one of the Jared Goff's favorite targets, if not his second favorite
target on this team we have. He's also gonna take a step forward in
my opinion, too, which is being in the second year in the NFL.
He's gonna be more prepared for the season, the growing season that I
ask. I'm sure Ben John's gonna throw like a little extra wrinkles in there
too. I don't know if James Mitchell makes his team, but there's I
mean, Ben Johnson to find ways to utilized guys. Even with Donna Josh
Renls. Does it help to have a Josh Renolds absolu fresolutely, but having
Ben Johnson in your corner, He's gonna find ways to make it work regardless.
We talked about it when KG was here. How I can see Donovan
Peoples Jones and Jamison Williams combining to fill Josh Reynolds role. Like I think
the production is easy to fill, but the role in what he does,
Like Donovan Peoples Jones is gonna be that red zone threat, the guy,
the big body they bring in there. And I think Jamison Williams can be
used as that guy in intermediate routes as well as over the top routes.
We saw him at the end of the season last year getting more of those
seven yard outs and different like that, catching balls breaking to the sidelines,
are going across the end zone and He seemed comfortable doing that, and Golf
seemed comfortable throwing him those balls. So I think we're gonna see a lot
of that. And like you said, Sam Laporta is gonna eat in the
middle of the field. This is just gonna give him more opportunities. We're
gonna see Jamir Gibbs take a leap in his role receiving the ball and catching
the ball out of the backfield. He kind of struggled in that last year.
If you're gonna harp on Gibbs for one thing, it's gonna be he
He dropped the ball a little bit coming out of the backfield, So I
can see him fixing that and being a threat in the passing game more than
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scheme from Ben Johnson consistently now and just out of six teams. It took
six backfields and not a single one of them with the Eatra Allons. I
started this by saying, we're at least bias right, because I truly do
believe that for me, for us to be upset about this bullshit, I
would lean more towards that GM list being Okay, GM list is a lot
better than this one, to at least he had Bright Holmes Top five.
Yes, this one, I mean, in my opinion, this is like
arguably one. I mean, there's no chance that Jamier Gibs Dave Montgomery make
it out of my top three. When it comes to backfields in the league,
if you would have told me the best backfields in the NFL, there
would be two NFC North teams on this list, neither of which are the
Detroit Lions. I'll tell you your cousin keys, like this is just fucking
stupid, Like, okay, you want to argue the Dolphins you're wrong,
but you can argue it. You want to argue the Niners again, you're
wrong, but you can argue it. The rest of them, you can't
even argue it. There is no argument, Like Jamior Gibbs, do we
have the stat of the of the screenshot of them. They're what they did,
like they made history last year. Like they're the only backfield teammates to
have a thousand plus scrimmage yards and ten plus rushing touchdowns in the NFL history,
in NFL history, not in Detroit Lions history, not in NFC North
history, in NFL history. This is the only backfield that have two guys
both go over a thousand yards total and both have ten rushing touchdowns. If
that doesn't say this is the best backfield in the NFL, you are stupid.
Mike Florio, You are stupid. This is just wrong, and it's
bad on you. It looks bad on you. You should be ashamed of
yourself to prop yourself up there every day and spew out garbage like this.
It absolutely makes no sense. This is a travesty of a list, and
honestly, I think they're doing it just to rile us up. At this
point, these guys in yards per attempt rushing last year, where both of
them are in the top nine in all of running backs. Like, what
are we doing here? I think they're hanging out, you know, doing
whatever with Austin Eckler. The amount of disrespect that these guys are getting.
Mike Florio, shave your eyebrows as well? This is gross? Or yeah,
I mean I don't was this Florio? Or is this thirty thirteen my
betio? Yeah, it's this is horrible. I mean just the eye test
alone throws Gibbs in there. Maybe DeMont isn't the most flashy, but when
you have the stats to back up the eye test too, this is just
horrible. I mean, time to pick another job, honestly, easy anything.
David Montgomery would arguably the number be the number one running back on three,
if not four, of those backfields, Like he would be the number
one running back in LA. He would be the number one running back in
Chicago over over kiraen Williams. Yes, I don't think, and he would
probably be the number one running back in Miami. He like, I don't,
I don't understand. I don't understand. I'll say this, I think
Miami's the only one. I mean, we have yet to see Kormy regardless,
but i'd probably say Miami the only one. Again, we're talking about
backfield collective, right, like just the most yes, the only ones,
because we've seen those guys go down and the next guy just fill in,
boom right away, Jacob's that's that's the one good guy we've seen a j
Dillon getting RB one. Reps did dick with him last year. Didn't do
dick with them. I don't know why they're even in this list. They
drafted Lloyd maybe a high expectation for him. Sure, uh, corm can
we see him take a snap? No? Yeah, you know what I'm
saying. I mean McCaffrey very top heavy. Everything after that. I mean
they went with good guys have gotten. But he's not better than Jumior Gibbs.
No, he's not better than day Monk. He's not better than need
of those guys. No, So for that to be like eligible, it's
I mean, it's not you'd have to be better than them. We have
two of those guys. Yes, the top of Craig Reynolds who like whatever
whatever, all right on this list, Johnson Herbert, that is pretty deep
sneakily deep, Yeah, because he's seen them. Maybe same with Gang well
two, but none of those guys are better than either of R two on
this list. R two is better than any other two. The only two
that you would put up there is is most cert in a chain. Like
I don't know if it's a brain fart or just again list season trying to
get reactions. It's crazy. This is crazy. Having the Bears on there
over the Lions is fucking terrible. It's wild too, because you know you're
gonna look fucking stupid at the end of the year. Yeah, Like,
barring injury, you are for sure gonna look like an absolute fucking dumbass.
I mean they look at absolute dumbasses right now because you know, goddamn well,
this Detroit Lions backfield is gonna outproduce every single one of these guys would
be outside of Miami, Yeah, every single last one. Christian McCaffrey,
No, because Mitch's not gonna get any touches. Yeah, this is not
gonna happen. This is fucking stupid. Chicago actually maybe two, but you
got three really good wide receivers. I doubt Chicago's gonna be running ball upon
the ball upon the ball, although their offensive coordinators coming from Seattle. But
and you're gonna change your style play with Kayleb Williams the quarterback versus Geno Smith.
The best part about this other other than the forty nine ers, the
other two backfields you'd look at that are actually on this list. Comparable to
the Lions are the Dolphins and the Rams, and a reason why their backfields
are so good is because they face some of the softest boxes in the nflp
because with the Dolphins, you gotta worry about Waddle and Tyreek Hill. With
the Rams, you gotta worry about Pooka and Cooper Cup. So you're running
in a six man box, maybe maybe a six man box. The Lions
are a run first team. Everybody knows the Lions want to run the ball.
Everybody knows they got to try to stop the run, but they do
it anyways. The Dolphins and the Rams are past first teams, so their
running game, their running backs are obviously going to benefit from that when they're
seeing a bunch of nickel and dime packages they got. I mean, we
saw just this year too. Kyrin Williams was one of the top five rushers
of this league. Yes, and that's with missing games. Yes, hey,
my guy, appreciate you rock with us. Not Jamal Williams. Way
better than Jamal Williams. However, he is way better than thirteen rush of
sixty one yards. That's not he has benefited from having a gunslinger, a
quarterback, and two top fifteen receivers on the outside. Like when you have
Cooper Cup and Pooking a cool to worry about. You're not gonna sell out
to stop Kyron Williams. You're gonna sell out stop those guys, and we
stopped them. Yeah, it's I don't know. This one makes way less
sense to me than the GMS. Yeah, the Detroit Lions were the fifth
ranked rushing team in football last season. You know who was ahead of them?
The Ravens, the Bears, and the Cardinals all have running quarterbacks.
So basically we're flirting right there with the top two. And this these two
combined for twenty four yards three hundred or twenty four touchdowns twenty two three hundred
and ninety three. Holy shit, that was a handful. This is insane.
You debatably have a top two running game. Nobody is coming out of
the box to chase Jared Goff down the field. It is our running backs
and offensive line. You have to give the backs credit for hitting the right
holes, making the right reads, which they do often. I really think
they're just trying to rile U up in. It's working, and it's w
This is Chris Simms, right, this is Chris Simms, Chris Sims and
Florida Chris Simms, Mike Florio. You guys can lick my sweaty ball sack.
Like the Lions have the best backfield in the NFL. Hard stop argue
with the fucking wall, Like say you got Christian McCaffrey. Okay, we
got Gibbs and Montgomery. Elijah mentioned was nowhere near Gibbs or Montgomery. By
the number, like it's ridiculous, by the number, by the tape,
by this scheme. It's just it's And here's the thing too, because I
liked it, because we obviously have a relationship with Connor Rodger. We have
him the show a few times a year. He's close with Simms, like
SAMs kind of helped bring him along from Bleach Report to NBC. So like
when I send some of because Sims will have this like even during my draft
season. I think a matter of fact, he had Zach Wilson. Did
he have like him the number one ranked quarterback coming out of that year's jack
class. I'm pretty sure he had. I'm ranked with Trevor Lawrence something crazy
like that, But he has these matter of fact, look at his dB
list heading in those last draft class, Taron Arnold was only one on there
that was like respected or anybody like anybody else in the draft community. I
think he just wings it. But I also don't see that because I wing
it sometimes too, and we're still way off sims. I want to give
them respect for being a former quarterback in the NFL and all the stuff like
that made me lose a lot of respect. This happens to way too often,
yes, way too often for me to just respect what they got going
on. Florio when he fucking casts Baker Mayfield and by the way, Baker
bowling over there in Tampa actually like probably would look pretty freaking good here.
I'm not gonna lie, but regardless like cast is Baker Mayfield here for no
reason? Uh, that's when Jared Goff was started to go on that win
streak. This is all the stupid shit he's done. I think you put
us in there for a couple of trades for other quarterbacks as well. Expect
that for Florio Sims. This is this is very disappointing. This is disappointing,
and it's just sloppy. Move on, it's just sloping. You guys.
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To stop saying that you're you're embarrassing to both of us. It's obviously
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The future of the Detroit Lions backfield is very bright. Yes, and we
talked. I talked about this with KG for a little bit about what you
want to see, my god, about what you want to see, like
I want to see that. I want to see that but naked. No,
honestly it would be awesome all right, doing jumping jacks. But usage
wise with this backfield, would you like to see it the same as last
year? Or should they lean a little more to Jamior Gibbs as the RB
one man? They could keep it the way they were doing it and switch
way. I mean, I wouldn't. I'm really not pressed. I will
say this though we know running backs NFL the reason why there are devalues.
You put a lot of mileage on them and wears and tears in their body.
They just at certain point don't hold up. Guys, like King Henry
are just like the anomalies when it comes to that. And even he looked
a little bit slower at time, that guy is still really good. It's
crazy as the Baltimore Ravens right now, regardless though they keep it the way
they're doing it right now. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see a
step back from I don't even want to say this. I'm not saying this
is gonna happen. I just wouldn't be surprised if if Gibbs does take this
saying the full rains we saw towards the back half of last season, Gibbs
actually getting like a few like red zone snaps when primarily that was Dave Montgomery's
role. But I could see him tinking a step back just because natural wearing
tear on the on the body of a guy who's plays very physical style of
running the ball, which is David Montgomery. But Jamier Gibbs definitely deserves more
touches even if they if they decide to do that, But I like keeping
them fresh, keep a split ain'd tripping. Yeah, I'm really not I
would agree. I would agree. I kind of backed off. My take
originally was that I'd like to see Gibbs be the RB one. But then
when me and Kenny kind of broke it down, shout out KG by the
way, he did fantastic when he was on his first in studio desk appearance.
But they were kind of RB one RB one A like there wasn't really
a solidified running back one last year, and we saw how the snap share
went. They're each gonna get theirs. They're still gonna get theirs. These
are guys that you can put in and it's not like they're not type cast
like Denzel Washington. It's not like you know what's gonna happen when they're out
there. Montgomery can catch the ball out of the backfield pretty damn well,
and we saw Jamiir Gibbs can run between the tackles pretty damn well. So
it's not like when Jamier Gibbs is out there, it's like, oh,
it's gonna be a pass play and when Montgomery's out there, Oh it's gonna
be a run. No, you don't know what's gonna happen. So I
think they're gonna do the same thing they did last year. Give them both
an equal amount of touches. But now it's gonna be a full year of
it, because remember the first couple gameslast year, Jamiir wasn't really involved in
the offense. So I'm excited to see what they do. And I talked
about it with KG. I think they're gonna get a little tricky. Maybe
some wildcat snaps with Montgomery, who is a former quarterback, taking a ball,
running a Reid option with Jamir Gibbs. Maybe they run both of them
in the backfield at the same time. Maybe Jamir Gibbs lined up as a
slot and using emotion to bring him in the backfield, or on a sweep
like they do with Jamo. Like, I think they're gonna get a little
freaky with these guys out there. They should do it. Yeah, that's
what we were kind of promised. That was what Jamier Gibbs was advertised as
all off season come regular season weapon, he was a running back. However,
I will say this, they did give him opportunities early on the season.
Actually, even in the Chicago game won in a Chicago where we actually
still had a fighting chance, he dropped like a walk in touchdown on the
flats. He did the same against I don't know if it would have been
a touchdown, but knowing him now, probably would have been against the Seattle
Seahawks. Like the hands as much as they were in camp, and I'm
not trying to knock them, but they weren't what what we were promised,
per se. So we did get to see him as that weapon. We
did get to see him like run routes out of the slot. I mean,
he saw him obviously line up there and do it, but nothing was
ever actually like thrown his way hoping to see that step out or that breakout
for Jamier Gibbs. But that's one of those things man, hands like I
just I don't know you could teach those things at this point those these guys'
careers, Like rarely ever have you seen guys get better hands. And honestly,
I think it was just the yips. I don't think that's what his
hands were. I think it was, yeah, a little bit of the
yips he was. They didn't really go back to it that much throughout the
season, like it just it was a couple of times, and those stand
out because he didn't get many passes thrown to him, So the couple that
he did, he did bobble, but I'm pretty confident that he's going to
be a good receiving back. I think you just had the yips a little
bit. I think they stand out because it was more of like big situations
that could have breaken, like the games open. That's why it does stand
out. But I think it could have easily just like a rookie running back,
I mean maybe afraid to you know, get popped over the middle as
well, which like we've seen Jerry Goff, we talked about it lead his
guys well, like stay out of the danger zones. But when it comes
to Jamir Gibbs, for me, I think he's way too explosive to not
give him more touches, specifically twenty five to the twenty five. Just tearing
up the middle, I think you see DeMont more, you know, closer
to our own goal line and closer to the opposing team's goal line. That's
where I want DeMont to get those short, hard yards to get and I
want to see Gibbs in open space in the twenty five to twenty five.
I think that's how this offense is gonna groove, and I think that's how
they're actually gonna run this team with Gibbs getting more carries between the twenty fives.
Yeah, that makes sense to me. Sorry, I'm gonna I just
saw what do you think about how you feeling? Chris? About what?
Seriously? Yeah, I might know what portion of the of the Gibbs.
Oh the workload, yeah, work like just yeah, the work the workload.
No, I'm I think it is going to lean more Gibbs this season,
but I think it will stick pretty traditionally because I think that Montgomery just
you know, running between the tackles consistently and you know, and just pound
pounding the ball. I think that kind of leads to Jamier Gibbs being able
to be dynamic. So I think I think it kind of works better that
way than the inverse. So I would say that they that they add some
new wrinkles, because Ben Johnson always does. Every year, there's gonna be
changes, but I would say it remains pretty much similar to what what what
it was. Sorry, I'm preparing for this conversation with Peter because I finally
got to look up some of the tweets he put out there and his claims
that the agreement Packers offense is better than the deat reliance and I'm just looking
at the numbers he pulled out there and just the relevance to like the actual
game in itself. But I'm all in for Gibbs get more touches, I
don't think, and they can say no to it. But I also just
keep him fresh this seventeen game season. Split the carries. I mean,
let let you let Vaiki get a few of those things too, especially in
those games we're just kind of like, sorry, I got to reach well
if we have, obviously, but keep those guys fresh because we're needed for
the playoffs. Yeah, and I think they compliment each other. Well,
like you said, you got Faky, you got Craig Reynolds as well,
there's gonna be a lot of touches to go around. Then you got a
lot of fresh legs to be running the ball. So I mean, shoot,
we even still got Ibrahim, who I still had some expectation for before
we got hurt, and that else did he. I can look it up,
mo Ibrahim. So what expectation for you guys be this year when we're
talking about splits for most free agent Bati to have more touchdowns and Gibbs to
have more yards? Is that how you would probably break it down if you
had to predict. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that because
I agree with what Nick said. You're gonna use You're gonna use Montgomery inside
the twenties more and you're gonna use Gibbs in the middle of the field for
those explosive plays. But also, like we've seen, Gibbs is a pretty
damn good finisher in the red zone too, So we'll see, we shall
see. Shout out Antoine Winfield, Shout out Antoine Winfield. Yeah, get
another d I fucking love I love Jamir Gibbs, like watching him play football
man, going to the nastiest dead legs in the league. Yes, already,
all right, I would honestly I have in the past claimed he was
a top five guy in the league. That's why if you're gonna put these
type of running back stables or backfields and ranked them, like maybe maybe it's
just me ranking him in that top five. I know it's not just me.
I've seen other people do it. It's wild. It's not that the
tr Lion's on there. It's absolutely insane. But we've seen Gibbs have like
fifty it was fifty two catches last year. But I think that number gets
up to seventy five two catches. Yes, last I think he gets up
to I think he gets up to seventy five eighty. Honestly, I think
it was the rookie yeps a little bit and then we got away from it
because as we've seen, if golf cannot trust you, he will not throw
you the ball as much. So I think this is a time where we
exploit it with Jamel goingdeep, maybe some Gibbs wheel routes, definitely a lot
of screens. So I'm looking forward to see Jamiir Gibbs being maybe the most
dynamic player in the offense. It's crazy season because they kind of just phased
him out in that way. It looks like throughout the season, like I
was, the first couple of games he really played that many snaps. A
few of them. He got a lot of catches in Seattle. I remember
they're trying to make that drive down there. I try to make a couple
drives down there before half. But yeah, right after the last time he
had four more receptions or five or more I should say, was Week ten
against Chicago, and that's actually when he then when he had that big drop.
No, that was w only four targets under that or no, still
eight targets dropped considerably after the Chicago I remember two targets, four targets,
two targets. There has a big one. Seven targets against Minnesota, then
three, then one. Just the catches. I guess weren't there seventy one
targets fifty two receptions. Obviously you want a better percentage, get it.
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bed. Thank you Nikker the man you guys at the topic on bed that
found a little bit interesting that Neil was trying to bait KG with And that
was the Jim Harbor versus Dan Campbell convers Yes, now you your guy who
still has Jim Harball on the top ten at the NFL level. Mm hmm.
Although I kind of agree with what Kag said. It's been a minute
since he's coached been a minute. The same with uh Greg Roman, good
offensive coordinator, but we've really only seen him with running quarterbacks. Just feel's
kid run. I don't think it's a situation where I run on Mike Lamar
in them. Yeah you think uh Jim Howe was a dog in that fight.
I yeah, I mean I'd still put Jim Harboll in the top ten.
I think Jim Harbaugh is one of the best football coaches on Earth right
now. Like the guy he does it. He obviously did it at the
college level. He's gotten to the super Bowl before. And it's not like
the NFL has changed that much since Jim Harball was last coaching it. It's
not like the last time he coached, like there wasn't a forward pass or
like like they were running the triple option every snap, even though they were
running a lot of readoption with Colin Kaepernick. But it's when you look at
his offense with with Alex Smith, it was a pretty pro style offense.
They just kind of changed it when Aepernick was brought in because of how electric
his legs were and because of how electric of a runner that Colin Kaepernick was.
But I think Jim Harbaugh will have no problem adjusting to the NFL because,
like I said, I don't think it's changed too much since he's been
out of it, and I would still put him as a top ten coach
in the NFL. Now, if you want to talk about if he's better
than Dan Campbell, I think that's an argument you can have. I would
right now, I would say yes. I would say strictly as a head
coach, I would say yes, just resume wise and what he's done.
Yeah, yeah, what else are you going off of? This is a
guy who's gotten a national championship in college. He's like, he's one of
the best head coaches in the NFL. For sure, He's one of the
best football coaches in the world. See. I guess here's what I could
say about Jim Harball is he and Dan Campbell actually do kind of similar very
similar, both former player coaches, both former players, I should say,
both those executive style guys. Like Jim as much as everywhere he's gone he's
had success, never really been like his scheme been. His philosophy has never
been his scheme. Same with Dan Campbell. His philosophy. Who comes to
detr Lin's offense but not his scheme per se. And I don't know.
I mean, I'm not so much harping on Jim Harball more than it is,
I guess like Greg Roman, and I just don't know how. I
don't know how he's gonna work with Justin Fields. I just I haven't seen
him in that capacity. Justin Heerber apologize. I think it's still gonna obviously
have the opportunity of ball out. I just right now I would take thinking
I just would in the modern day NFL. I just I mean Jim Harball
is that he's got that personality we've heard constantly time and time after again.
It wears on you. With Dan Campbell, I think it's kind of the
opposite. You can you can only like you kind of just love this guy
regardless of matter what. Yeah, I think when it comes to winning percentage,
which I think you can based coaches off that. I mean, Dan
Campbell obviously took over the rebuild, and I don't see us looking back for
a very long time. Opposite to Greene's perspective, our window is wide open
and not closing anytime soon. So I think we're gonna run this division for
a long time. And if not run it at least have eleven wins for
a very long time. But when it comes to hardball, we've seen him
do it. We've seen him get to the super Bowl. He is fifth
all time in winning percentage when it comes to NFL head coaches head coaches,
I think he's gonna have no problem turning around Justin Herbert and these LA Chargers
once he gets that run game going and gets a strong defense, because that's
what he does. He runs the ball, has his quarterback be extremely accurate,
And I think he's gonna do the same and fix Justin Herbert end up
becoming a winning quarterback. Chris, you know what I mean. He's got
he's got the resume. Like Smith said, it's hard, it's hard to
argue that part. But ultimately, Dan Campbell has had more NFL success more
recently, and I and and so I have to lean with him. And
I thought you brought up a good point about just the the personalities that it
works with because it is an adjustment dealing with college players versus professional athletes.
And obviously he's shown the ability to make that, to make that connection.
So I'm not doubting it. But Dan Campbell has a one of one connection
with his players. I mean, we can count on one hand how many
players did not enjoy their Detroit experience under Dan Campbell. Yeah. Like,
he just gets the most out of these guys and he maximizes everything he has.
So I think I would take Dan Campbell over Harball right now in my
personal opinion. But I think he's a damn good coach and I think you
know him inheriting a good roster that he has with the Chargers, I think
he's got the potential to do very well. I mean the one year before
Kaepernick took over to Alex Smith. I mean it's hard to just even do
this too, because Zack Smith isn't really He's good, yeah, but he
wasn't. Like this would be by far the best quarterback he's hit in the
NFL, oh by year, not getting close. How about this one?
Even if you look at Andrew luks numbers at Stanford, Yeah, I don't
think there were exceptionally. I think it's the same thing, like the pound
the rock. That's what Jim Harble likes to do. I will say this
though, and this is another part of it for me, is they don't
really have any running backs they have a fantastic offensive line. Now they grabbed
a what's his name for Notre Dame and then I like Slater as well too.
But what running back do you have behind there that's gonna do damage?
I can you know what? I'm gonna take that one, ba, because
running back's coming out of Andrew. Pretty good numbers. Let's check them out.
What ether is? Uh? Sophomore year he had thirty three hundred yards,
thirty two touchdowns, eight interceptions. His junior senior year he had thirty
five hundred yards, thirty seven touchdowns, ten interceptions. Damn, that's actually
that's pretty. He was pronounced quarterback guru before it was a thing, and
then he finally got his quarterback, his five star guy that he brought into
Michigan. I don't know what, what why it took him so long when
you go through Spieth and never had a good quarterback in Michigan. Yeah,
they state John o'corn. I mean they probably beat OSU a lot earlier if
he would have had one. But I mean you saw what happened once he
got JJ. It was three straight Big Ten championships, They got to the
Natty. They want it. He's going back to the NFL. But the
thing he did have in San fran Pat Willis like a stack defense and like
Justin Smith. Like you guys remember those d lines Na borro Bowman, Patrick
Willis, Alden Smith, Justin Smith. They were sick that nasty, nasty
defenses. I love San Francisco back then because I love linebackers, and they
had two of the best linebackers in the NFL. So Patrick Willis is one
of my favorite players of all time, and I loved watching their don't play
defense. So I'm curious to see what he's gonna do with LA's defense.
That's where like, if he has a solid defense, I think this team
making the playoffs. Honestly, Yeah, looking at their defensive quarter right now.
Actually, I mean they you know, they got pieces on defense.
It's if they can stay healthy. Like Derwin j. James went healthy is
arguably the best safety in the NFL. You've got Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa,
who are two upper echelon pass rushers. If they can stay healthy.
Yeah, you added Junior Colson, who is my favorite linebacker in this draft.
Like, they they've got pieces on that defense, it's just if they
can stay healthy. That's how it's always bet it sucks to because actually Janay
Samuel as well. It's great on the outside. I'm actually say what I
wanted to say about it, say what you need to say. I I'm
obviously taking Dan Campbell. However, if once Hardball gets his situation established,
the two versus each other, I could actually see it Harball, It'd be
good. It'd be good match. Like I said, Dude, I think
Jim Harbaugh is I I would say he's a better coach. I would say
he's a better head coach. I'm not like that's no disrespect to Dan Campbell,
but I've seen Jim Harbaugh do more. If I love Dan Campbell,
I would rather have Dan Campbell just because of who he is and what he
exudes. But when it comes to being a football coach, like Jim Harbaugh's
definitely he's He's got some tism to him too. He's got he's got a
little bit weird to him too, but that's he's he's everybody's on the spectrum
at some point, and he makes you realize, like how much of a
fucking football genius he is because of he's so weird. Like I thought you're
about to say, how much of a spectrum road Like, he's so like,
socially kind of awkward. It's like my older brother. My older brother
is the smartest person I fucking know, not even close. But he's a
little little awkward. But it's because he's so fucking smart. It's like Jim
Harbaugh, because he's so football focused. He's a little fucking weird. He
has a certain amount of band to work. Yeah, yeah, literally,
social skills. Yeah, I hope Herbert's ready for the pregame shoulder pad banging
from Yeah, Harva. I mean, he's weird. He does stuff his
own way, no doubt about it. Dad lifts and khakis and ship like.
He's a weird guy, but he gets results. Yeah. If you
put him in this offense, he'd be we'd be better justin Herbert, if
you Jim Harbaugh was running this off we'd be dominant. I mean, but
I don't think he would do much different than we're doing that. It wouldn't
be much different. I likes he said they're pretty similar coaching styles. Yeah,
it's just I think he's a little better of I think an analytic football
mind. We would have play caller. I don't even know. I don't
know what that though. I think Dan Cambl's better analytically too. I just
think Harball is just like I mean, they're saying many both executive guys.
I think we're the best play call of the two squads though. Yeah,
obviously Ben Johnson over Greg Roman. Yeah for sure. No, I don't.
I'm not saying I'm no, yeah, getting rid of Dan Campbell for
Jim Harbaugh. No, But like Apollo says, this show is always Grass's
other greener syndrome. No, it's it's okay to say we're not the best
in the league at everything, Like there's gonna be better things. I wouldn't
rather have Jim HARBAUGHM I love Dan Campbell, I want him to be my
head coach. But it's okay to say Dan Campbell isn't the best head coach
in the NFL. This is a great one in the chat from Yes,
can you imagine Harbaugh and Campbell trying to hang out? No, No,
they are too. Dan camp would have up beating the show. Dan Campbell
would end up fighting him, beating one million times out of one million.
Rather chill with Dan Campbell than Jim Harbo. Oh not even close the golf
fans are confirmed everything we already knew. Yeah, and plus I don't know
because we talked about it, but that the podcast that instantly did with Chris
Long and Chris Long was like, yeah, no, I got I got
some stories. I don't thank Campbell's party or back. Dude, I'd be
slamming beers with Dan Campbell all day. Jim Harboro, I don't know,
you'd be drinking like whiskey straight like the one the one side story that had
and it didn't really go much further than this was actually kind of weird.
I'm not gonna lie to you. And I guess it makes sense, you
know how much like Dan Campbell was like the heavy metal like the I think
it's a I think it's a CDC in it. Yeah, no, that's
what I just apologize either way, So I guess like the off seasons like
it. Ritually, he would just go and spend a week at the spot
in Las Vegas that's like a it's an old castle. It's a it's a
casino, but it's an old castle casino, and he would just get like
the highest like penthouse floor. He'd be a week. I don't need stories
better than that. Dan Campbell. Yeah, that's what he used to do
as a player, like ritually, that'd be like one of the first movies
you make, Jet in Las Vegas. Yeah, some wild show for sure,
dude, I loved Honestly, he probably locked himself and they did at
Way and Rodgers just tripping out. Oh yeah, probably just doing a bunch
of blow. Just had the hair, megand ship and going insane, a
lot of extra curriculum in the mirror in the coke. That's just doing his
like his pregame speeches, flexing and ship. Listen, man, listen what
I think about as you guys? Man listen back and forth? Yeah,
on cold highlights, like, oh hell yeah, absolutely. I loved Dan
Campbell is the goat, dude, I I love Dank Campbell. When we
get back, hopefully you would be joined by Peter. Let me get in
contact with him, make sure you're not getting technical difficulties. But before then,
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Green Bay Packers can have the best off in the league this season. And
there is going to be a certain number of you who will say, don't
get caught up in what happened in the second half of the season. And
there will be a certain number of you who will say, no, that
can't be. They weren't that good last year. Don't you remember what happened
in the beginning of the season. And both of those things are somewhat reasonable
things to think, to say, arguments to make. But even with a
slow start to the season, and even with a first year starter at quarterback,
which means a first year play caller for that quarterback, even though it's
not Matt Leffler's first year calling plays, it's his first year calling plays for
Jordan Love and even with a slew of new starters along the offensive line,
an offensive line upheaval, a platoon at left tackle, a platoon at right
guard to end the season, and even with the youngest group of pass catchers
in modern NFL history, and even with Aaron Jones I'm seeing more than half
of the season the agreement. Packers were fifth in EPA per play last season.
They were six in DVOA defensive justin value over average for those of you
who are new here, one of my favorite stats that exists. So when
you look at the teams ahead of them, it is difficult to make the
case that any of those teams will be better than the Packers in twenty twenty
four. Talkers cheap motherfucker nick Ka playing games. N I'll let you spend
this one first. Can I say something off the top of my head.
I already know three offenses that are going to be better than the Packers next
year, and that is the Detroit Lions, the Miami Dolphins, and the
Houston techan Texans. They are all going to have better offenses than the Packers.
The Packers next year. You can take that to the bank. I
do. I was on record earlier saying, I think the Packers have a
deeper wide receiver corp than the Lions. I like their wide receiver corps,
but the Lions have better wide receiver in I'm andros Saint Brown. I think
when Jamison Williams comes out to play next year, I think he'll be better
than their number two wide receiver next year. I think they have obviously the
better tight end and better running back combo and a better offensive line. So
I don't I don't see where they could be better than, uh than the
than the the Detroit Lions at all that. I mean, Wow, they're
not going to be better than the Lions. They're not going to be better
than the Texans, and they're not going to be better than the Dolphins.
I just I don't know how to even find the e p A ranking.
What is e p A easy expected like yards per average? I mean you
could take that perspective point better than the Lions. You could take that e
p A and shove it up your assad ways and shove it straight up your
show me touchdowns, show me yards, show me ship. You don't have
to project or ship. You don't have to make ups six words for show
me what they're doing on the actual field, And in that case, the
Lions were better. And in that case, the the Miami Dolphins are going
to be better. In that case, the Houston Texans are gonna be better.
I'm gonna say the Rams are gonna be better too. Like come on,
man, this guy's tripping off of bad cheese and IPAs, like get
out of here. You think about the Lions offense alone, you think about
two All pros in Saint Brown and Laporta. You think about the best two
running back the tandem in the whole entire NFL. This guy's tripping. Have
fun playing on the road in the wild card this year because the Lions own
this division and take your best offense and shove it. Let's go easy what
you got. I'm just don't don't. I don't agree. I think they
could be explosive offense. I think they're gonna be a good offense. Yeah,
that's the argument I was making for you know, Jordan Love being good.
It's like the young pass catches you had. I didn't know it was
the youngest in modern NFL history, and that is that's impressive. And you
do expect those guys to take a leap. However, I don't know about
that offensive line yet. Yeah, you can talk about Jordan Morgan. We
got to see it. It's difference where like at least what I'm talking about
the Jordan love stuff, we have like a sample size that we don't know
what Jordan Morgan is at the NFL level yet a lot of people still feel
like not a lot of people, but there are some people out there,
with myself included, that feels like they may have been like a little bit
of a reach and they selected him at twenty five. That's a strong,
strong take. I wouldn't be surprised though, if they If he's ranking them
by e PA, you might catch him there. I mean here, here's
based off n f e l O dot Com, NFL Power Rankings, offensive
EPA rankings, and this is both passing and running one two, three,
four. Okay, So then does that meaning? What does the EPA mean
expected points on average? I want to say, let me just google so
get you the exact definition. What are little girls made of? Relaxed?
Relax? You ever seen that video? That sounds even crazier? All right?
Expected points added is commonly used advance statistic in football and short that's that
measures how well a team performs compared to their expectation on a play by play
basis. E p A and e p A per play, along with other
stats. Using e p A can help you us evaluate team and player performance
not with so if you guys know they scored on this play, if they
were able to score on the like, so I know, d v O
A is like four yards, like it's like the average. So it's like,
how did your play measure against that four yard average? I don't give
a ship about advanced analytics honestly, Like the Lions and Packers are actually tied
great I mean the teams that are there did have great offenses. I mean
number one was the forty nine ers, number two, Bills, Cowboys,
Dolphins, Ravens, Lions, Packers, Eagles, Rams. You think about
the additions this defense is made too, though, just specifically the Lions going
up against this Packer team where we saw him coming to Ford Field on Thanksgiving
and obviously win the game. This defense is gonna look completely reshaped next season,
Like, bring it on. I am not scared of the Packers going
into the next season, especially after hearing this guy just hype him up.
On some I mean, I think you should be a little worried about the
Packers. I do think the Packers are the biggest threat in our division.
I think our defense sucked, but our defense definitely sucked. And but you're
saying they're going to be the best offense in the league. That's a reach.
You think, Yeah, they are the second, my bad second favorite,
the Packers. Yeah, I mean, yeah, no doubt when I
don't, I mean, Dion thinks it's the Bears. I think the Bears
gonna be good too. I think they'll be good, But I think that
I think the Packers are a good team. Don't don't get me wrong here.
I do think the Packers are a good team. I think they've got
a good offense. But the number one offense in the NFL is a little
much like I said, off the top of my head, I had three
four even that are gonna be better. The expected points value thing too.
It's similar to me with like the war stuff that I already don't like when
it's like win's above replacement, like, yeah, you have your average,
but especially football, of all sports, baseball is up the two. It's
just the context of like what can happen is so like wildly outrageous. You
just there is no way to measure that average. In might opinon you can
have a average, but you just can't tell me that's like expected or like
this is gonna happen like football isn't that? I love the way I love
describe it as a football, as a as a ball, the shape itself.
If you dropped this straight, you never know what the hell to expect
even know where the ball is gonna go. Yeah, it's it's as wild
etn In the world wards sports chat packers are number one in yards when the
time is between two minutes and three seconds and or two oh three and two
oh seven pm, and when the temperature is between twenty three point six and
twenty three point nine degrees. So but I did they got it there?
They got it there where you gotta avoid them. Yeah, I just yeah,
I could read the full definition here on the website if you want.
From Troit City. This guy can eat ship hashtag s M d GB.
I do. Like we've had him on before. He's he's a cool guy.
He's a good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. He knows
the ship. He's obviously got a lot of the advanced analytics, but I
I can't see the Packers offense being better than the Lions. Okay, so
than the Dolphins, then the Texans, then the Rams, even the Bengals.
Maybe like the Steelers. I think the Steelers are gonna have a pretty
damn good offense too. Relax, you are big on the RST train.
I like the Steelers, man, I like the Steelers. Are you on?
No, let's steal? In order to calculate e PA, for one
has to know the expected points before the play and the expected points after the
play. Already what we did expected expected. I don't give a shit about
what you're expecting. Show me what actually happened, and that's what I'll base
my decision off of. So expected points on this by yard line and down
six points is expected. It depends where you are on the field too.
That's just fucking stupid. Dude, this is pretty stupid. I'm not gonna
lie, it is pretty fucking I'm not a big advance analytic guy. There
are some advanced analytics I like, but shit like this where it's like,
well if this happens because of that, then that means that, like,
fuck out of here. Expected points is based on down in yards to go
until a first down and distance to end zone are The values for expected points
has been found by taking historical data and computing the average number of points scored
by the possessing team in each situation. The graph I had to show you
this graph, I guess this is if you guys want to try to break
it down. I don't want to embarrass ourselves. I'd probably do this one
in private, to be honest with you. Probably doing in private. Yeah,
probably don't want to make myself look stupid here. I'm just saying right
now, I think it's more likely the packers a outside of the top five
then they are number one. You know, you know who sent me something
with the EPA actually was uh okay, al hell yeah, maybe I'll canna
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I do that sound like that. Would you say that Bills are the second
best offense last year? The Bills, Yeah, I don't think so.
No, I don't think so either. Yeah, this is ep A play.
How do I just do it? All right? What do you think?
The Lions ranked the e p A passing third six? Okay, Packers
were ahead of them. Rushing were first, rushing probably second. Let me
see. Wow, wow, what are the rushing? What are they rushing?
There's they're six? Yeah, okay, it means nothing. EPA is
bullshit. You want who's up ahead of them? The Packers, No,
Cardinals, I mean, these are just the bad teams. I don't agree
with that. Ahead of them the Bills. I can see the Rams,
I guess just from Kyra William James Coke was pretty good. The Bills,
Cardinals, Ravens, Rams, and Niners. Yeah. I don't give a
fuck about EPA, Like you can eat of theseep of these nuts. Yeah,
I want to. I want to see what you do on the field.
That's how I decide who is a better offense is what you do on
the field, you know, like yards, points, touchdowns, things like
that. You know, stuff that actually matters and you actually have to do
to win games, not estimations. I can estimate that I'm rod same Brown's
gonna go for two thousand yards next year, so that makes him the best
receiver in football. There we go. That's Spipa. The SPIPA on Jared
Goff. He's gonna throw for five thousand yards and fifty touchdowns. Boom,
there it is Hodginson, He's gonna break the sack record. He's the best
defensive lineman in the league. SPIPA on Premiere Gibbs Is, he's going to
go for two thousand yards rushing and a thousand yards receiving. You heard it
here first, Speapa bird size doesn't matter. Practice it to pay, love
or let them walk, and once they pay, the window is closed.
Happened afar happened to Rogers. I will say this, They got a lot
of rookie contracts. They got a lot of rookie a lot of contracts,
and we're in that same scenario. Burn if you if you put it that
black and white for sure, Yeah, even more so than being honest with
you, who do you? Who do you? Boys? Got for night
canes back in it with a win over the Range, so last time that
was a great game. I said earlier that that Rangers Canes is going to
be one of the best series of the playoffs, and it's been really good
so far. So hopefully, uh, hopefully they continue. Hopefully that that
the Canes can get one here. I like the Canes, but the Rangers
so fucking good man. Yes, kind of sounds like raising canes when you're
sawing when of the Rangers Canes. Never I've never, but I've always heard
like good things too about it. I got Rangers here. I mean I
think there's a raising games in East Lansing though is Oh yeah, I did
hear something about that. Yeah, I got Rangers, but I was just
talking in the chests sad one for the Oilers last night. Damn. Yeah,
that's embarrassing, dude. I went to bed when it was four to
one because I thought it was wrapped up. Yeah, fucking choked that Cashot
would have been looking nice. Yeah, I mean, I still think they'll
win the series, but yeah, plaited after that. Bruin. What when
the Bruins playing again? They just played last night, so I missed that
game. Paul Thomas as one of the most exciting that was. I mean
that was those two games were obviously the complete polar opposites, like the Bruins
blew out the Panthers game one, Panthers blew at the Bruins in game two.
But there was a lot of fights and that that was. Neil said,
He's like, this is the most exciting four to one game I've ever
seen or six one or whatever it was. And it was. It was
a fun game to watch. Pasta Pasta like, you're the only player on
Boston that I really like, and you know, props to you for doing
that, But what were you thinking, Like the Chuck is not you guy
to go after? Bro, that guy is a killer beast. He like,
Pasta went to his coach, He's like, can I do it?
I mean, if you want to. When he went out there, you
guys asked, well, I did some research earlier. Postern went twenty fifth
in the draft. Red Wing's got the fifteenth. I mean, obviously it's
not crazy, but you can get players later. It doesn't have to just
be top three, like obviously you find them all over and was gotten.
He went into a perfect It was like a seventh round pick. Yeah,
exactly, what kind of one of your thoughts on this fellas. I know
you guys all. I think you guys all picked Dallas in the series,
but after the you guys saw what they looked like in Game one. I
got in too. Okay see Shay for thirty five after getting you know not
the MVP and then Chuck for fifteen. Yeah, I do thirty to be
safe, I would do thirty five. I just like he gets calls.
Man, he gets calls, he's gonna be He's gonna shooting on the at
the line a lot. I would see Dallas winning this game though, because's
a similar kind of way that the LA series went. Like the first game,
they came out flat, kind of got got right out of the gym.
Now this one, I think they come back. I think Luca has
a game, and I think that was I think Dallas. I think okay
See and Timberwolves have such the same vibe of like the young team that's so
hungry, like I know Dallas, like when Luca is like obviously hungry as
well, but I don't know that. Well, okay See and Timberwolves look
like head and shoulders. Yeah, they're definitely exceeding expectations. In that sense.
But Minnesota, you can't necessarily call them young. They're just led by
young guy. Like Towns has been the league. They're like they have an
Yeah, they have a pretty veteran squad out outside of it, and and
but yet somehow the twenty two year old kid is just he's a He's like
I said earlier, he's my favorite player in the NBA. It's not even
close. Dude. Did you see his today about about they Did you see
that? Reporter asked him, like, you know, how cool is it
like playing these guys that he looked up to? He's like, is there
anybody in this series like that? Like did you look up to Jamal where
he's like what Jamal Urrays like four years older than me? He's like hell
no, Like, no disrespect him. M Katie's like thirty five, Like
come on, I don't know what you're trying to start, but no,
I did not look up to Jamal Murray evers ye everg Yeah, Jamal Murray
is like twenty seven, he's turning twenty. Who else got that dog in
him right now? Nobody? He's got the most dog in the league.
And Jim Jimmy, you hear him talking about swimming, he' said I'm better
than Michael Phelps. Yeah, and him talking about Michael Jordan when he like
asked, asked, like to stop the comparisons of Michael Jordan. He's like,
you know, nobody's Mike, Like, stop stop saying that. And
the reporter asked him. He's like, well, if Michael was in this
league, you think you'd be able to guard you. He's like, what
hell? No, he was like, would you be able to guard him?
He's like, well, I wouldn't be able to stop him, but
I give him. Hell. What would be the question? Love this kid,
bab What would be the question you could ask him if if you were
a reporter sideline reporter asked her to a question because you know he's gonna answer
honestly, raise your left hand, asks right hand tits. Yeah. No,
if I could ask him a question, it'd be like, is there
any possible way for you to go to Detroit? Yeah? There you go?
Is there anything that could have ever had? You'd say that, I'll
just start crying. Do you guys want to reschedule Pete for tomorrow or Monday?
Well, I mean consider it? Does we just kind of Tom Brady
them right there. We kind of welcome to the roast. Oh yeah,
so tomorrow tomorrow, all right, yeah you can. I can tell my
spepa stats and see how he really feels about it. You should just go
spe him. You should mind. But the SPEPA says that that's quarterback the
way we uh so he goes on the street interviews is like that. Yeah,
how do you feel about the speeple of Jamior Gibbs being higher rated than
Josh Jacobs when it comes to a per touch basis small PP appreciation? Yeah,
all, I got to do it for us today. Appreciate you all
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