WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.080 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:09.160 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.960 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest encryptids and other 5 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:17.120 things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 6 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:23.039 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network is 7 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:28.000 a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all podcast 8 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:32.119 platforms, YouTube, and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 16 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:06.120 So what are you waiting for visit www dot Untold Radio neetwork dot com. 17 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:10.519 Today, everybody, this is Less Stride, Yes, yes I know aka 18 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:36.719 Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otis. Hey you guys, 19 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:40.359 and welcome back to sasquatch Ots. Thank you so much for clipping play. 20 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:42.400 It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a very week. 21 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.480 You have an amazing guest lined up. But before we get there, as 22 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:49.120 always and want to start by inviting you if you've had an encounter and you'd 23 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.400 like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get me a 24 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:53.959 Brian a Paranimal World Productions dot com. Get head over to the website check 25 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.879 it out. We came remember the earn helps with the show. We've got 26 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.879 Johnny on the show tonight. He is from my home state, right here 27 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:05.959 in North Carolina, and he's here to share some of his interesting finds while 28 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.319 he's been out in the Meatock Mountain State Park area. This culminates in a 29 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:13.280 sighting that he had with one of these things crossing the road in front of 30 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:15.719 him. But I'll let Johnny tell you all about that in just a minute 31 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:17.879 before we get there. I have been talking about this for months now. 32 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:23.039 I'm going to be at the Smokey Mountain Bigfoot Conference on July twenty second up 33 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.240 in Gatlinburg, Tennessee, and I'm going to be hosting their on stage Encounters 34 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.360 portion of the show. If you've had an encounter and you're going to be 35 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.120 at the conference on Saturday, July twenty second, and you would like to 36 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:37.479 share your experience on the stage with me, you can head over to gather 37 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.840 up Events slash Smokey Mountain Bigfoot Conference. You can sign up there, or 38 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:45.439 you can send me an email Brian at Paranormal World Productions dot com and we'll 39 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.319 go from there and possibly get you on the stage to share your story. 40 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.479 I would love to see you there and I would love to hear your story 41 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.719 on stage during the conference. If not, and you're just going to be 42 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.280 there, make sure you stop by. Our booth will be on the speaker 43 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.120 road there. Wayne will be at the booth. I will be there. 44 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.479 Chat and Bob are confirmed from the basement hangout. We may have Tyler and 45 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.080 Denny from the Kentucky X Files there. It's going to be a great time. 46 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.000 Stop by, say hello, shake her hand, pick up some merch, 47 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:10.159 and just hang out with us for a while. We would love to 48 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:13.960 see you guys there, but I know you aren't here to talk about bigfoot 49 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:15.919 conferences. You're here for the big Foot encounter. So I'm gonna stop talking 50 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:37.080 you guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Ione's gonna 51 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:38.919 welcome my guests to the show. It is Johnny from my home state of 52 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.520 North Carolina. Welcome to the show. Johnny. Hey, Brian, thanks 53 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.120 for having me on. I'm glad to have you, man. So let's 54 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.159 get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. Let's talk about 55 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:52.280 Sasquatch. What got you interested in the subject in the first place. Well, 56 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:54.400 she can probably tell listening to my voice. I was born and raised 57 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:58.280 in a city up and around just north of Buffalo, so up in the 58 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:02.439 western New York area, and growing up my parents took us to see a 59 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:04.879 couple of movies way back in the day, as I think one was called 60 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:11.439 Sasquatch and the other one was I remember Creature from Black Lake was popular back 61 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.759 then. But even though I lived in the city, it really didn't have 62 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.600 any exposure to the bigfoot world or any kind of areas. The overall mystery 63 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:27.040 basically just stuck with me throughout my whole life, and I had an opportunity 64 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.079 to move down here to the great state of North Carolina about twenty years ago. 65 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.040 Moved down to the Raleigh area, and then later about forty five minutes 66 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:40.319 east of Raleigh. So I'm pretty much up in Worried where the Upper Coastal 67 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:45.279 Plain kind of meets the end of the Piedmont area. But it ever really 68 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.000 associated with Bigfoot, with being up around this area, I mean this is 69 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:53.199 eastern North Carolina, northeastern part. I always kind of figured it would be 70 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.639 out there more toward the western part of the state, Smoky Mountains, Blue 71 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:01.279 Ridge Mountains, And it wasn't until an episode Finding Bigfoot that they did some 72 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:08.480 researching up in the Uwari National Forest now the Uari if anybody isn't familiar with 73 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:12.279 the state, it's pretty much basically in the center of North Carolina and it's 74 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:16.000 about three hours from me. So I found out pretty fascinating up in the 75 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:23.759 foothills. So from there I started doing some research up online and seeing if 76 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:28.399 there's actually any sightings up around me, and checked out the the BFIRO website 77 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:32.639 and there was actually two reported sightings up in the northern part of my county, 78 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:39.000 which is nash So just going through doing some Google searches, getting up 79 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:45.519 on YouTube. Back in the fall of twenty nineteen, I came across an 80 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.759 event that they're having up at a state park. It's called Metock Mountain State 81 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.279 Park, and they were having a big Foot in the Park festival. It 82 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:57.000 was the fall of twenty nineteen and it was put on by Stephen He runs 83 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:01.199 the cryptozoology and Paranormal music up in Littleton, which is about fifteen minutes north 84 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.560 there. So I figured, man, this is like right up my alley 85 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:10.759 and the one up there now. Beforehand, I hiked up there when I 86 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.639 first moved down here, so that was about like fifteen years ago. But 87 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:17.759 I really never got any kind of like bigfoot vibes from from the area. 88 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:21.920 I mean it it is a pretty rural park. It's it's it's in a 89 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:30.040 rural area and the park itself is about thirty nine hundred acres, But within 90 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:36.240 that thirty nine hundred acres, besides the horse trails, there's only like a 91 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.120 less than ten really bike trails and hiking trails, so a lot of it's 92 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:46.319 all pretty much secluded pretty much just just the way it is like rural area. 93 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.920 So when I got up there, I met a bunch of the local 94 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:55.199 hikers up there. I met some awesome people and folks came in from different 95 00:06:55.240 --> 00:07:00.720 areas and they're going over there. Experiences of the local hikers were going over 96 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:05.839 there experiences and encounters that they were having inside the park, which include tree 97 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:12.639 knocks, finding footprints, having trees get pushed over, up to tree structures, 98 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.839 finding tree structures, up to a few people having sightings actually inside the 99 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.319 park, and then talking to the people that lived up around that area. 100 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:26.920 They were pretty much having just periodic sightings of bigfoot up in that area. 101 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.000 So that what I took, what the take that I got out of it. 102 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.680 I mean, do you remember Cal He I believe he was on your 103 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:39.720 first episode. Cal from North Carolina. His sighting was probably twenty plus miles 104 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:45.120 away from this area. So what I took from getting out of this was 105 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:50.279 it's just not centrally into like the state park, but it's pretty much throughout 106 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:55.639 the whole part of North Carolina, up part of that state that they're having 107 00:07:55.680 --> 00:08:01.240 big foot sightings for years and so I overheard one of the guys mentioning, 108 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.120 hey, did you see all the tree structures? But when you drove into 109 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:11.519 the park over on this one side, it's like when I went out leaving 110 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:16.920 the festival, I pulled over and there's this there's this one area back there. 111 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:22.399 If you go about twenty feet into the tree line, come there's there's 112 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.000 a whole There was a whole bunch of tree structures. There was some huge 113 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.600 ax structures but used by like a forty foot pine trees. There was one 114 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.720 it was a TP structure, which was a like a center pole, and 115 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:39.600 there was five just really tall it's got to be forty or fifty foot pine 116 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.200 trees, just and different areas just spiked around. There's a bunch of busted 117 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:48.559 trees just kind of like woven and stacked in like a weird position. And 118 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.080 there was also one that was really from unusual. I kind of like call 119 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:56.519 it like a sawhorse. It was about an eight foot tree that was broken 120 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:00.559 off and it was horizontal. It was up about four feet and on either 121 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:05.399 end of it it was braced. So I found that was pretty fascinating. 122 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.519 So I kind of told myself, if you want to go out there, 123 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.200 and see if there's anything happening. You know, you really, you really 124 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:18.000 met these guys like for the first time, so you don't know if they're 125 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.159 exaggerating or if they're pulling your leg, or if there's really something going on 126 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.799 there. You just need to break out the hiking boots and do it to 127 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:30.080 it. And that's exactly what I did you. I've always been fascinated with 128 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:31.960 that area because, like you said, Kal was the very first episode of 129 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.879 the show ever with this roadside crossing that he had just driving to work. 130 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.399 And I still joke about his episode and some of the other people that I've 131 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:45.159 talked to over the last couple of years that have these weird roadside crossings, 132 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.720 and I joke about Bigfoot almost getting hit by a preeus. They're the most 133 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:52.840 elusive creature on earth, but yet at least a couple of times a month 134 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.639 somebody almost hits one with a car. At least he's one from driving by. 135 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:58.639 So I've always been curious, and I've wanted to go up to that 136 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.000 area. I wanted to get up to a little tenant and check out the 137 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.320 museum. I just haven't had a chance to do that. But I'm glad 138 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.320 you sort of gave some context about the area. And the one thing that 139 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.039 bothers me in some cases, so I'll ask you this before we go into 140 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:16.399 some of your experiences. The one thing that irks me a little bit about 141 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.519 some of the things that you find in areas like that. It comes up 142 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.360 often is like these tree structures and some of the things that people are finding 143 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:31.759 like they're almost like these shelter things that are built. And in some of 144 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:37.039 those state park areas there are people who teach classes about survival and things like 145 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.279 that. So some of those things, if there can be people there, 146 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.480 there's always the possibility that a person did that, right, So how do 147 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.159 you sort of address that when you were looking at those things? Is that 148 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.399 something that came up in conversation? Is that something that you thought about, 149 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:52.720 and how do you sort of rationalize that in your mind as a researcher looking 150 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.039 at that and saying, you know, that could be a person that made 151 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:01.399 that versus maybe a sasquatch thing. I was very skeptical when I first seen 152 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.320 it at first, because it's the entrance road is right there. I mean, 153 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:07.279 you're going twenty feet into the woods and you're finding all these structures. 154 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:13.200 So obviously the possibility is that somebody could be back there screwing around and making 155 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:18.000 these things. But on the other hand, I have found similar structure, 156 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:22.360 similar ex formations when I'm out into the woods, into the deep woods that 157 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:26.159 you would figure no one, no one would be out there, you know, 158 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:31.039 And if they would be making these things out there and in the woods, 159 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:33.039 what what's what's the point? I mean, who's who do they think's 160 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:37.080 going to find them? So I have found ex formations. I found one 161 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.720 of those sawhorse formations, a TP formation out into the woods that you would 162 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:46.480 not be normally tracking out there, but there's always but you're right though, 163 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.159 it's always a possibility that somebody could be out there doing that. So it's 164 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.840 it's kind of kind of like a fifty kind of thing. And when you 165 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.639 see these trees that are in the like ex formation, you've really got to 166 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.919 look carefully down to the ground and make sure that the tree didn't rot or 167 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:07.639 the bases and can just kind of like fall over. The ones that I 168 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.320 found there were basically either either trees or branches that were broken that were shoving 169 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.080 to the ground. Because I check out that whole area or very well, 170 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.759 just to see if there isn't like a stump kind of sticking out that i'd 171 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:20.440 just kind of like fall over. I'm glad you said that. I was 172 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.200 looking through the photographs that you sent me earlier today before the interview started, 173 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:31.399 and it's so weird that I was literally out hiking yesterday and found some very 174 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:35.200 similar things on my property. And it's private property. We have forty acres 175 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.919 of property. There's nobody's supposed to be out there but us. There's property 176 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.000 all around us that other people own, but there's nobody there. So there's 177 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.159 nobody on my property doing any of this stuff. And it was really eerie 178 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:50.879 looking at some of the photographs that you sent, because I took photographs yesterday 179 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.480 of some of the very similar things. So it's either one of these two 180 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.399 things, right, It's either natural and you're finding something that naturally happened in 181 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.879 your area, or something else is involved. And I do the same thing, 182 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.679 you know. I find these trees that are woven behind something. I 183 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:11.600 call them pull chrom type deals, where there's something like they waited in the 184 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.480 middle, so it's balanced in these kind of structures. And that's the first 185 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.600 thing I do is look and see if the tree fell in that direction, 186 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.919 if there's a stump there or a place where that tree routed and fell, 187 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.240 Okay, that's probably a natural occurrence. It might look weird. But if 188 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.879 there's no explanation, And I say that because I'm finding oak trees, I'm 189 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:35.919 finding paper birch trees, and I'm finding cedar trees or cypress trees, and 190 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.279 there's none around there. Right, there's these logs that are stuck in from 191 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.200 these cypress trees into these other types of trees. And you look around within 192 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.320 fifty sixty yards there are no cypress trees. So it's been carried there. 193 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.960 It didn't fall, It didn't you know, it didn't rot because it wasn't 194 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.519 there. Right, So it's interesting that you're finding the same things, very 195 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.840 similar things to what I'm finding. What else have you been able to do 196 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.840 as far as your research? Did you start when you really got the bug? 197 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.279 Did you start doing a lot of time in the woods looking for sasquatch 198 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.519 themselves? And if so, what kind of experiences have you had. Well, 199 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.159 the shirtst clike that I did, it was the it was in October 200 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.159 of two thou nineteen. We had a rule hot summer that year, so 201 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.799 even in October it was still in the upper nineties. So when I went 202 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.120 out there, I went out there in the afternoon and there's practically nobody out 203 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.480 there. So I just wanted to do like about a mile and a half 204 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.080 clike. Just I had a little tire thumper that I got. It's probably 205 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.879 like about a little three foot piece of hardwood probably, and I'm just where 206 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.559 I parked my car, did a couple of three knocks, just throwing it 207 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.519 out there, you know. I started going down the Swan trail. The 208 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.240 trail that I took kind of winds a little bit. Then it ends up 209 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.399 by a creek. There's a creek that flows through the majority of the park, 210 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:56.240 and I went started going down the trail. About halfway down, I 211 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:00.759 said, well, I'll do one more knock and I just run just as 212 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.039 quiet as I can be and just just see what happens. You know, 213 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:09.600 if anybody's not familiar with summertime or how hot it is in North Carolina, 214 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:11.960 I mean back then it was October, it is just hot and humid that 215 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.759 the air is very stale. I mean, you really don't get any wind 216 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.840 coming through unless there's a storm coming through, so that's what it was. 217 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:22.679 It was. It was really quiet in the woods. It was real stale. 218 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:28.320 I got down to the creek, it was just snooping around, went 219 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.200 down stream, probably about thirty fifty feet, and here comes a tree knock 220 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.480 on the other side of the creek, upo upward. The bluff is one 221 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.399 of the bluffs. Now there's no hiking trails that go over that fire and 222 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.919 so I'm thinking to myself, wow, that there might be something to this. 223 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:48.159 And then further going further down the trail, we find some tree breaks. 224 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:50.759 I don't know if you're founding tree breaks up on your property now, 225 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:54.440 but the ones that we find here, they're usually between like sex and seven 226 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.440 feet off off the ground, and it's just basically just taking a tree and 227 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.440 snapping it or snapping it in twisting it, not twisting or breaking it off 228 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:07.480 totally, but just almost looked like like a directional kind of deal there. 229 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:10.039 So when I got back to my car that time, I was like, 230 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.440 Yeah, there might be something to it. A couple of weeks later, 231 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.799 I went out and it was about two thirty in the afternoon. It was 232 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.279 in October still, and I did a little bit more of extensive hike about 233 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:23.039 two and a half miles and the one trail I took a different trail this 234 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:27.320 time. You kind of go along the opposite the opposite direction of the creek, 235 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.919 and it kind of like wraps around. It comes through the forest and 236 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.279 then you're back off or two like like at this big metal to where the 237 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.799 parking lot is. So I was down it was really really quiet. It 238 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:42.480 just just still stale and went down the creek, nothing really happening. And 239 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:47.679 then when I came make that turn to come back around, there's a service 240 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.519 road there. It's like an old service road the Parks Department uses. To 241 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:56.480 go back up to the back trails and looking at these this one X figure 242 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.559 that was back there, and there was a couple of three breaks I find 243 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:03.720 there was the odd It took some pictures and then at that about that time 244 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.000 it was about four o'clock in the afternoon, and the direction that I had 245 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:12.240 to go to exit the trail though back part of it, you had to 246 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:17.599 go through this narrow area. It's it's the trees, I don't know, 247 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:21.920 probably about three hundred yards it's really close to the trail, and then it 248 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:23.920 basically just opens up, you go over a couple of hills and then you're 249 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:29.559 up into the meadow. So I'm just about to go into the narrow part 250 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.640 here, and it was just like my sixth sense just like kicked in. 251 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.880 You feel like your ear you're like tremendously being watched. It's like walking into 252 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.440 like a wall of anxiety. And it really didn't really couldn't explain it. 253 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.000 I mean, I was packing at the time, so if anything was going 254 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.920 to come after me, I was ready. And the only other option, 255 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.440 now what it took was to take the take the long way, and it 256 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.359 already it was starting at the sun was coming down down past the tree, 257 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.680 so it was already starting to get dark out. So I had to suck 258 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:03.720 it up, but went through the narrows. I went through there about halfway, 259 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.640 did one more knock, and I just ran as as quiet as I 260 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.880 could be. Now, in the meantime, they get a lot of stray 261 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.720 dogs in the area because a lot of people hunt with dogs and a lot 262 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:17.680 of them just don't come back or just get lost and stuff. So in 263 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.960 the meantime, there's this dog somewhere back in the woods just just starting to 264 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.279 bark, like just barking, just sporadically. I got through the narrows, 265 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.240 it got down to the part where it opens up a part of the woods, 266 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.039 word opens up, the dogs barking even more. It's it's back behind 267 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:37.640 me somewhere. I got to about fifty feet or so from the meadow, 268 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.480 where the meadow is where the trail ends. All of a sudden, you 269 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.960 hear this deep voice, very powerful yell. It was like a from more. 270 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.200 I was back back in the trail, back where somewhere back in the 271 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:55.119 woods there. I mean, it was so powerful that it just echoed throughout 272 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:00.440 the whole woods. So I don't know if that was directed toward the dog 273 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.279 barking, because the dog was barked even more and more and more, and 274 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.920 then you get this huge, deep yell and then the dog just shuts up, 275 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.200 and I'm out frozen there. I mean, if anything would have came 276 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.680 at me or anything, I was only like about fifty or sixty feet from 277 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.640 the meadow, I could have booked her it out there. But I went 278 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:22.119 home. I spent like the next two hours on YouTube just doing all black 279 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:26.680 bear yells, anything about black bears, and nothing at all sounded like that. 280 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.039 I mean, that was crazy, but just how strong it was. 281 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.000 I mean I could just feel the woodses echoing back there. The Knox experience 282 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:38.000 I had was that stood out was back in December of that same year. 283 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:41.559 I had parked. It was about two o'clock in the afternoon, and I 284 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.039 had parked down where this service road is. There's like a little parking lot 285 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.240 there, parked there. I got out and just walked down the service road 286 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:53.319 probably about sixty feet had stopped and was fooling around with my cell phone, 287 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.759 just trying to get my cell phone and the camera going where back up in 288 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:02.400 the woods straight where I was like looking right at it comes to this howl, 289 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:07.200 I mean a soup or loud howl. Stay tuned for more sasquat jealousy 290 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:14.559 willing right back after these messages. I mean, it didn't sound canine at 291 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:17.519 all. It didn't sound like a coyote or anything like that. And what 292 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:21.119 it was was from me. There was a bunch of brush and a bunch 293 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.960 of broken and you know how like in the wintertime, all the brushes and 294 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:27.480 everything kind of it dries up so it's real dry, and then there's a 295 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.279 It starts where the thicket is where the pine trees are, and it was 296 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:36.359 behind the pine trees where the thicket was, so I could hear it walking 297 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:37.680 back and forth back there. I really didn't know what to do, so 298 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.240 I basically I howled back at it, you know, just try to get 299 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.200 a reaction, and you can hear it stepping back there. So that was 300 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:52.279 that was the third time that something substantial happened so ever since then started chearing 301 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.599 one of these little audio recorders with me. Chere it read up on my 302 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:00.160 person, right up on either my backpack or whatever whatever thing I'm caring, 303 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:07.319 and back in or the springtime of the following year, I really we had 304 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.359 a pretty mild winner. So I was like, well, you know, 305 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.880 I've heard people leaving these things out at night, and I really never tested 306 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:21.039 how the battery life would be or how much internal memory would be. So 307 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:23.599 I had a few areas to choose from. I was either going to put 308 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:27.039 it where all of these tree structures was. I was either going to put 309 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:32.000 it where I heard that big howl back in December. But I went down 310 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:37.279 to a pretty much secluded part right next to the creek and one night just 311 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:40.640 left it out there, put it right up there and in a little crook 312 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:44.519 of a tree and came back the next morning. And that was the start 313 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.400 of leaving those recorders out there, because if you ever want to get an 314 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:51.200 idea of what's creeping around in the woods at night, just leaving recorder and 315 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:53.279 you know, the only tedious part is you just got to listen to it 316 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:57.839 all. But throughout the whole night it was just pretty basic, just regular 317 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.240 frog here there you hear or maybe a deer walking through the leaves, you 318 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.319 know, with a little peg legs, And about two thirty in the morning 319 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:12.279 you hear something heavier. From the time that you hear it to the time 320 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:17.279 where it stops, it's it's probably about like fifty seconds. And what it 321 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:22.839 did was it wasn't running. It was walking at a fast pace two thirty 322 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.359 in the morning, and you can hear chan. You're listening to it, 323 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:30.480 and you're thinking, I mean, is that two legs or is that four 324 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:34.319 legs walking by? So what it did was it walked, came out from 325 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:38.359 wherever it did. It walked right past the area where I had my recorder, 326 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:42.920 and there was a down tree there just a few feet away, and 327 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:47.599 you can actually hear it stepping over the tree, you know it was. 328 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:52.119 It was a significant two legged step over, and it basically went down by 329 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.440 the creek and just kind of like settled in. I knew it was still 330 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:57.880 there because you can hear it, like the leaves kind of rattling, you 331 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:00.799 know, creaking a little bit, and it was pretty pretty quiet that whole 332 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:06.440 night, So I believe it was about four o'clock in the morning, it 333 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:08.519 does a tree knock, and then right there, I'm sold. I mean, 334 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.920 so it did that about four o'clock in the morning, it knocks on 335 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:17.200 a tree. About four thirty in the morning, there's something that's more in 336 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.799 the distance, just assuming it's uping on the other side of the creek, 337 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:25.640 does a few stick knocks or it would actually kind of sounded like it's taking 338 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:27.960 like two pieces of wood and just like banging it together. It did a 339 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:32.599 series of that like about four or five times, and then it did it 340 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.119 one more time, and you can tell it was on the move because that 341 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.039 was a little farther. And then the last time it did it, you're 342 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.240 listening with the headphones on the night you can barely hear it, but you 343 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:45.640 know it's there. So I'm assuming it was on the move. So the 344 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.680 thing up on this side. Fifteen minutes later, now this is getting to 345 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.640 be like about quarter to five in the morning, nails the tree again, 346 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.359 does a tree knock, and then you can hear it kind of going off. 347 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.680 And from that point till I picked up the recorder, there was just 348 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:07.240 basic just nature. So it's all about putting two and two together. So 349 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.000 the thing did not come back my way, it just kept on going. 350 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.079 So I'm assuming it's going up the creek. So I started leaving some recorders 351 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.440 up there, maybe about a quarter mile up the creek, and just getting 352 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:23.640 awesome tree knocks up there, just crazy stuff up there. And it all 353 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:30.519 basically came down to finding starts finding footprints up in the creek beds and start 354 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:34.680 finding a different footprints up were like different muddy areas. I usually go out 355 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.279 there like before during the night if it rains, or the day before rains. 356 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.000 You know there's nobody gonna be out there walking around, So like the 357 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.519 next morning you just go out there and just like just walk around the different 358 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:49.680 trails or looking down into the creek beds and you come across some footprints. 359 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.519 Now and again, yeah, you sent me at least I know one picture 360 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:57.279 of a really impressive looking footprint. What was the story behind that? Was 361 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.519 that kind of the same thing. You just went out on a walk one 362 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.279 day looking for these things and you ran across this footprint. Let's talk a 363 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.440 little bit about that. The size, oh, the oh, the casting 364 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:08.720 up. Yeah, that's a good story. You know. That happened back 365 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:14.079 in September or twenty twenty. It ran the night before and that service road 366 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.359 that I was talking about. It was myself in about three other people. 367 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:18.680 I said, well, I'm gonna go out there and looking for footprints in 368 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.000 the morning. So everybody met up there at eight thirty, you know, 369 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:27.279 bright and early. So we started going down the service road and here we 370 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:33.240 find a right footprint. From what I gather that this thing was walking alongside 371 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.920 the service road down to the creek and then it came back up this way. 372 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:42.480 But it had stepped with this right foot in this muddy part and it 373 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.759 was fresh. I mean, that's the casting that we made out of it. 374 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:51.119 It walks down to the creek. It has like a slid print, 375 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:56.200 you know how when you're if you're up like at a muddy embankment and put 376 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:59.160 your foot down, your foot kind of slides because the muddy the mudd is 377 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:03.079 slippery, and then it comes back up the same way. It makes a 378 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.440 left footprint up on a different part of the service row where there were you 379 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.480 know, there's some mud or stuff that they're so that's where that one came 380 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.039 from. I mean, that's that was fresh. I mean that was really 381 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.000 fresh. Yeah. The footprint thing is something that's sort of stuck out to 382 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.079 me. I've said it recently on a couple of interviews that I've done. 383 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.240 I found a footprint myself a couple of weeks ago here hiking on the property. 384 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.960 It's really strange looking. It looks like like a carbon copy of what 385 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:34.279 you would think of if you're into sasquatch and you're into researching and you think 386 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.079 about what a sasquatch footprint looks like. This is what this looks like. 387 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.400 And it's in a creek bed. We were just hiking along and I was 388 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.400 stepping over to continue on up the ridge to the back of our property, 389 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.880 and I looked down and I literally sort of laughed and said, hey, 390 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.079 I found a footprint. You know, I thought, Okay, it's paradolia, 391 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.799 right. I just glanced down and I thought, it looks like a 392 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.359 footprint, you know something. It's just the way the leaves are. And 393 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.920 then I took a picture of it. I put my foot in and took 394 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:06.359 a picture of it and said, the more I looked, I could see 395 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:11.200 where there was five toes and this thing had like stepped down and pressed down 396 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.119 farther into the front than in the back. It was a little bit. 397 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:15.839 Yeah. It's almost like you know how you step into something and you don't 398 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.880 put the back of your heel down and you're just kind of stepping in and 399 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.400 then stepping over. It's exactly what it looked like. I texted it to 400 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.640 Doug Hi Chick, and Doug said, it looks like to him it looks 401 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:29.079 like a handprint because he drew out over, Oh really where it looks like 402 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.839 there's a thumb and maybe those are knuckles. And I was like, holy 403 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.680 shit, I didn't even think about that. Wow, that's amazing. That's 404 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.160 why I send it to Doug because he usually thinks outside the box. He 405 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.799 thinks about things that I don't, and I just wanted to say, look, 406 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.880 am I crazy? Does this not look like a footprint? Or now 407 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:49.000 maybe possibly a handprint, But It's so weird because there's only one. That's 408 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.640 the only time I've ever found anything like that. I just stumbled across it. 409 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.400 I mean, we were literally taking a hike to get away from work. 410 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:57.480 I didn't want to do any big foot stuff. I didn't want to 411 00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.799 do any work stuff that day. I wasn't even going to take my camera 412 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.839 my phone with me. I just happened to take it. And then I 413 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:10.880 find all these other stick structures and what looks like some fulcrumbs and ex formations 414 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.559 and this all of the stuff. So it's just weird that, and it 415 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.319 looks completely different from what I saw. You send pictures of looked almost like 416 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.319 a very large human print. What I see does not look human to me. 417 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:27.200 It looks very different. So I'm always curious about that and the differences 418 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.759 in the different areas. I mean, we're probably three three and a half 419 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.519 hours away from each other as we sit now right, And how different it 420 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:38.160 could be there versus what possibly made that print on my property. I don't 421 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.960 know. Are you finding other footprints in other areas? Are they looking similar? 422 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:45.599 And what other experiences are you having when you're out there? You know, 423 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.720 when I find a foot actually let me. Let me just say that 424 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.079 is a handprint that you found. I think that is even more rare than 425 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.480 just finding a footprint. I mean, that's you get you might have you 426 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.079 might have some gold there, buddy. But you know, when I find 427 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:00.920 a footprint, I kind of use my foot. It's kind of like a 428 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.519 template. My foot's about ten and a half inches, but the widest part 429 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.880 of my foot is about four and then my heel tapers down with three. 430 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:12.680 So if I come across a footprint that a kind of is small, like 431 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.880 you know, kind of tapers down, the width isn't there. I'm kind 432 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:22.119 of leaning toward a person. But if the footprint city Fine, is wider, 433 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.079 then it's it's it's got to be something else. Another good print I 434 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.839 found I was just it was the Brighton Mill of the summertime. I think 435 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:34.240 it was two twenty. I just bought a pair of hip waiters and went 436 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.559 down there one afternoon and just started walking different parts of the creek, you 437 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.319 know, I mean the creek was getting kind of low, and just checking 438 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.720 out the shallow areas of creek bed and it came across. It's really nice. 439 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.519 I believe I sent you the picture. It's about eight inches, but 440 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.559 the width is about six and you can clearly make out the toes. I 441 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.160 mean, it clearly looks like a left footprint. Wish. I'm pretty sure 442 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.319 that it's it's coming from a juvenile because I've found similar print it's like that 443 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:06.119 back probably about a quarter mile half mile down in a different areas that's around 444 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:07.799 the same size, about eight inches, and it's wide her it's about six 445 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.039 inches there. So I'm assuming that there was a juvenile up in the area 446 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.960 or up in that area for a while. But you know, I want 447 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.319 to tell you back in that summer, we had a lot of rain come 448 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.880 through that come through. I don't know if we had a tropical storm, 449 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.440 but I know there was somebody. You know, how it is the weather 450 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.359 is in springtime, it's just you can get down their massive downpours and if 451 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:36.279 you get storms coming across, it can be raining really really hard. Well, 452 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:41.119 the creek there, it overflowed its bank that summer about three times. 453 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.279 I mean if it overflowed about twelve feet, so it took a while for 454 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.799 it to come down. And this one area was checking out. I think 455 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.119 it was the first time that it overflowed its banks had come up. It 456 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.480 had come down, but a left about an inch of water up in this 457 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.960 one area. It's I don't know if it was kind of like like a 458 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:03.160 little bowl. So the area was pretty much like about five feet wide by 459 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.880 about twenty feet long. But there was all sorts of bulking there. I 460 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:10.839 mean, there was a pine bark, there's pine straw, leaves, twigs. 461 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.839 So I went back there and checked out this area just to see how 462 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:17.559 the water level was. One afternoon, it was a Saturday, Saturday afternoon, 463 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.680 I remember it, and there was still about an inch of water up 464 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.480 in that area, and it was pretty nasty. I came back four days 465 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:27.839 later. The water had either you know, subsided or soaked into the ground 466 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:33.359 or whatever. But there was this huge footprint rate smack dab in the middle, 467 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.519 you know, foot impression. It was down about an inch and it 468 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.720 measured seventeen inches and it was eight and a half inches wide. Okay, 469 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.640 now I'm thinking to myself, I'm just back here four days ago. I 470 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.400 mean, I didn't see it. You am I imagining it. So I 471 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.519 remember somebody saying that these creatures kind of walking a straight line, I don't 472 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:55.680 know what, because their legs are so long, but sure enough, I 473 00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:00.599 went straight line another footprint. It's from the heel to the toe with seven 474 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.519 feet with the seven feet stride. But it was the same exact size, 475 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.680 same exact size, seventeen inches by eight and a half wide, and it 476 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:15.359 was headed out of the woods down this little embankment and then headed toward the 477 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.400 creek and on the other side of the creek is just bluffs as there's no 478 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.000 trails or anything over there. So I tried to cast it. I had 479 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.279 like about two bags of plaster of Paris with me, and it didn't even 480 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:30.200 come close to it. But I stopped my hand up up in there and 481 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.920 you can actually feel the toes, you know, there's still some water. 482 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.079 I was able to make a casting. I don't even know how good it 483 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.920 would turn out. Just buy all the tree bark and tree straw and stuff 484 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.680 like that there. But that was about the biggest one I found, And 485 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.720 I kind of set a goal for myself if I can find that size footprint 486 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:52.160 in like a creek bed or like in an area that I can make a 487 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:53.880 good casting of. I mean seventeen inches, man, that that would be 488 00:32:53.920 --> 00:33:00.759 awesome for a collection. Yeah, it's definitely big what I saw my foots. 489 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:05.880 I've got like a size eleven boot, and this thing's probably I would 490 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.960 estimate thirteen fourteen inches long. Again, I didn't have a tape measure, 491 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:12.079 I didn't have anything with me. I was not doing anything bigfoot. I 492 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.400 tried to go back A couple of days later. It rained. It started 493 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.079 raining that afternoon, and then it rained for like two or three days. 494 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.079 I tried to go back, and I just haven't made it back to that 495 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.519 area because I did want to go back and a see if it's still there 496 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:28.640 and if it's castable, because it is pretty impressive to me that I found 497 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.160 something like that on the property. And again, it could be something. 498 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.720 It could be a bear track, it could be nothing. It could just 499 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.000 look like a footprint. I don't know, but I find it interesting. 500 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:43.400 Like I said that, if you're finding footprints in that area, there's something 501 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.480 going on, right. If it's a vocalization, We've had that here on 502 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.240 the property. We've heard vocalizations. I've had weird stick structures, a couple 503 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.880 of tree breaks, and possibly even some gifting stuff going on. But when 504 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:58.079 you find something like a footprint, that's I'll be honest, you know, 505 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.240 I'm still on the fence with most of this stuff, usually fifty fifty most 506 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.680 days about everything bigfoot, but that really sort of lit a fire into me 507 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.480 to say, yeah, you know, there's got to be a there there 508 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:12.599 because something made that one way or the other. It's all the other stuff. 509 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.760 It's the totality of the circumstances, you know. I can go twenty 510 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.760 yards away from where I found this print and I'm finding these weird structures and 511 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.880 what looks like a nest. It's like a bundle of sticks and stuff that 512 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.000 looks like it's woven together to make some sort of a nest. I showed 513 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.239 it to Chris over it discover Sasquatch. Yesterday we were planning on I'm going 514 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.880 to be on his show as we record this Or'll Beyond tomorrow. He showed 515 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.960 me a picture of what he took a picture of where he's at. It's 516 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.639 almost identical to what I feel. And so I'm again it's like, wow, 517 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.559 Oh, it's either something's made this or it's a natural thing that neither 518 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.920 one of us know about. And it's a certain type of vegetation that grows 519 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.440 that I don't know. So that's where I try to go. My skeptical 520 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:58.440 brain says, go there first, Occam's razor. It's probably this instead of 521 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.679 that. You know, it makes a lot more sense. It's some sort 522 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.920 of vegetation that just grows that way naturally. Then it is a sasquatch putting 523 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.960 that together for whatever reason. Right, what you need to do is just 524 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.639 go out and get yourself one of these little sony recorders and just stick and 525 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.480 stick it back out there. You know, you can buy a little use 526 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.119 a little external microphone, was it, and hanging up there in a tree 527 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.320 and just just let a roll for a couple of days and then see if 528 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.159 you get any tree knocks. I mean, I think that's probably one of 529 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.719 the telltale signs, is if you hear a tree knock. Now, there's 530 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.719 a lot of things that you can get kind of misrepresent a tree knock, 531 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.440 and that's obviously like a woodpecker, and especially like one of those redheaded woodpeckers, 532 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.679 those big ones, because when they knock on the tree, man, 533 00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.880 it sounds like somebody like actually knocking on your front door. But oh and 534 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.199 upward the area that I am gunshots too, the tree knocks that that I've 535 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.519 heard, and get on the record of the majority of them are just singles, 536 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.880 and I'm pretty sure that it's kind of like a locator, kind of 537 00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.119 like you're over here, I'm over here. There's not stead. It'll be 538 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.320 a single knock coming close, and then a few seconds later you'll hear a 539 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:09.480 knock way up on the ridge, answering it or vice versa. So back 540 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.920 into not really gifting, but up in the area where I was leaving my 541 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.079 recorder, I started just leaving apples up in the trees you have a recorder 542 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:21.519 by, just to see if there is anything that's actually big, you know, 543 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.239 coming into the area. Just trying just trying to get like an audio 544 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.880 of some footprints coming through. So I started leaving apples up in this area 545 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.119 pretty pretty regularly, probably about twice a week, even trying to think outside 546 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.000 the box, put like little baby rattles up up in the trees to see 547 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.880 if something grabs it and shakes it. Even try to put out pictures of 548 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.679 myself out there, just to try to get them and say, hey, 549 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.280 this is the this is the nice guy that's leaving all these nice apples. 550 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.360 But it got to the point where I was on midnight shift, so I 551 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.039 would get up there first thing in the morning, you know, nobody'll be 552 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.679 out there. Get out of my vehicle where I was carking, and here 553 00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.679 comes a tree knock out out of the woods. I mean like like really 554 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.920 close by. You know that that happened probably about four or five times, 555 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:07.000 or if I'm out there by myself, go down the trail going down to 556 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.559 the creek, here comes a knock on the other side of the creek. 557 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.280 And when I'm leaving, there might be a knock over on this side of 558 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.639 the creek. But one time I didn't even have no gear. I didn't 559 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.840 even have my tree knock or nothing with me. I just went down there 560 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.960 just to check out just the levels of the creek. He was I think 561 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:23.920 it was either in the fall of that year the summer later summer of that 562 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.519 year, and it got to the point that I get down to the one 563 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.639 point, get down to the one area of the creek, and you hear 564 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.480 a knock come across. So I got down there, didn't hear anything, 565 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:39.159 So okay, I'll go down the creek downstream and as I'm going downstream, 566 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.960 here comes it's on the other side of the of the creek there, So 567 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.880 here comes a knock on the other side, but down probably one hundred yards 568 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.840 one hundred and fifty yards. So I kept on going. I really didn't 569 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:52.920 do anything. I kept on going. I got about midway. Here comes 570 00:37:52.960 --> 00:38:00.320 another knock parallel to where I was. I got down to or the before 571 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.000 I heard the first knock was about one hundred and fifty yards where I first 572 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.519 started. Whatever it was was coming upstream, and I was going downstream because 573 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.880 this thing knocked the third time back up here, so I was. I 574 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:12.599 didn't have any gear, so I was just basically just doing cheek pops. 575 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.000 I mean it was really quiet. There was really dead, so you do 576 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:20.800 it cheek pop and it was basically just going back and forth. And then 577 00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.440 the one audio clip by Sunchi it was it was the last cheek pop I 578 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.840 did. Did the pop? You hear like this hawk squawking, and then 579 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.039 right after that it sounds like something nails a big pine tree over on the 580 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:36.360 other side with a baseball bat. So we were like going back and forth. 581 00:38:36.400 --> 00:39:02.400 I mean it was awesome. O holy shit. Yeah, I kind 582 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:06.719 of I had some hype Hower binoculars, so I kind of like hunkered down 583 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:08.840 along the creek and down it through the trees, but I didn't see anything, 584 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:12.639 but that was pretty cool, you know, going back and forth like 585 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.039 that along the lines of tree knocks too. I've also heard with my one 586 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.599 ears and got him on an audio recorder something hitting a tree so hard that 587 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.920 the tree breaks, and either you hear the tree fall over or the tree 588 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.920 starts to break, you hear out like the fibers in the tree start cracking. 589 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.760 That's happened to me in a late afternoon twice, and on audio recorder. 590 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.320 I've got it two o'clock in the morning, six o'clock in the morning, 591 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.119 stuff like that happening. Yeah, people have been after me for years 592 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.159 to put out the recorders either just on my porch. I thought about that 593 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.840 just after this lightest incident, after I saw the foot prying and the other 594 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.519 things that I found in the woods. But literally like three days ago, 595 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.559 I got up and we're in the country, so I like to pee off 596 00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:00.559 the front porch at night. So it's like three three fifteen, I outside, 597 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.280 and they do it here in the citadels, right, So I go 598 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:07.159 outside and I hear what sounds like these four pretty rapid. I don't even 599 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:12.280 know how to describe it, but what people would call power knocks, and 600 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.599 it seems it's not close. It's it's definitely behind us on this big ridge 601 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.239 back here on the back of our property. You know, if I had 602 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.320 to guess, i'd probably say half a mile to you know, maybe three 603 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.280 quarters of a mile away behind us. But it was loud. You know, 604 00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:29.360 we live in the country, dude. Like three o'clock in the morning 605 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:35.760 on a random whatever, Wednesday, Thursday. This was everybody's asleep. It's 606 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.079 not like Atlanta. You know. I used to work overnight. So when 607 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.079 I worked midnights as a cop in Atlanta, three o'clock, people are just 608 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:44.039 getting wound up during the week. Yeah, yeah, but not here. 609 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.760 I was racking my brain thinking what could this noise be, right, I 610 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.320 was trying to do the Okham's razor thing and go to well, was it 611 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.559 gunshots? No, it wasn't gunshots, was it? Yeah? I was 612 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:59.760 it somebody? It's it almost sounded like somebody using this big construction hammer, 613 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.440 you know, like putting sighting on a house or something, is what it 614 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:06.679 sounded like to me. Just bam, bam, bam bam, like four 615 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.480 times. Nothing else after that. And then you know, I think maybe 616 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.000 five o'clock that morning, I woke up and i'd heard it again. We 617 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.400 had the windows open because it was like fifty degrees out and I heard one 618 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.840 that was it, And I'm thinking, and the hell is that? Stay 619 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.679 tuned for more sasquat j oot to see. Well, be right back after 620 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:30.079 these messages. I mean, you figure woodpeckers aren't going to be out at 621 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.639 nighttime. I mean they're gonna be in their rooster in there whatever they have 622 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.840 there, one of the only birds that's out there at nighttime, or owls, 623 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.599 but they're not going to be knocking, doing tree knocks or any kind 624 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.800 of knocks like that. Though. Yeah, and I've heard those. I 625 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.679 think they're called pileated. I've said the names about the big red headed woodpeckers 626 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.039 before, and I think I always I called it pilated, and they were 627 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.800 like, it's pileated. Well, however you say it. I've heard one 628 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:53.960 of those, right, I hear them during the day, Yes, And 629 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.119 you know what that is immediately. It's like you know, and you can 630 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.519 hear it up on the ridge on the other side of the road to wherever, 631 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.760 and I know it's a woodpecker. This was definitely not that, and 632 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.199 again it was at three o'clock in the morn and again I would say probably 633 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.360 four forty five five o'clock. I don't know, man, It's just it's 634 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:14.639 really strange stuff. Again, I don't ever definitively say it's bigfoot, but 635 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.920 you know, after you figure I don't know what it could be other than 636 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.559 that, and you start asking yourself, well, maybe that's what it is. 637 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.519 What other experiences are you having out there? Man? Do you think 638 00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:29.239 you've come close to a siding when you've been out it's like three and a 639 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.559 half years. I'm out there kind of like playing like a cat and mouse 640 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:35.960 game. You mean, you're hearing tree knocks, You're getting some awesome stuff 641 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.559 on audio recorders. You're finding a footprint, you'd find it like a little 642 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:43.679 shelter. You're findings these really cool tree structures or tree things back out into 643 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.800 woods where no one should be. And it all came. The last piece 644 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.880 of the puzzle came in this April fourteenth. I was it was two thirty 645 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.679 in the afternoon. The weather conditions, it was cloudy, so there was 646 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.880 no sun and through it all to kind of create any kind of weird, 647 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:07.519 funky shadow or anything like that. I was on this country road. It's 648 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:14.280 a two lane country road and it has a shallow shoulders, so it's you 649 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.159 really can't park on it. I've been up and down that road hundreds of 650 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:21.519 times, but never thought that I was going to see one across the road 651 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.880 at two thirty in the afternoon, because when I'm up in that area, 652 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:28.679 I usually had my cell phone at nighttime, usually had my cell phone up 653 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.480 on my dash recording because I've figured something's going to be at nighttime. So 654 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.039 what the road is is you got to go through a couple of couple of 655 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.320 turns, you got a straight part of the road, and then you got 656 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.760 like a little hill that you're going to go up pretty sure, I sent 657 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:49.199 you the pictures. So I went to the turns and got onto the straight 658 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.679 part of the road. I'm looking up at the hill and here comes a 659 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.960 coming down down the hill. Was a truck and it had like a big 660 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.079 trailer on it. It was like one of those fifth wheels trailers you know, 661 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.760 you can probably put like a cars or some kind of farm equipment on 662 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.880 it. So it was coming down on the right hand side. What it 663 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.000 looked like at first was it looked like a tree was just there. I 664 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.320 was thinking, it can't be a tree because it's it's out from the tree 665 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.960 line. I mean, it's it's closer to the road than where a tree 666 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.639 would be. So I'm guessing it was probably a hunter. You know, 667 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.039 they do a lot of hunting there, and like I mentioned before, there 668 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:28.000 they lose their dogs. So there you see them out there all the time 669 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.480 just trying to wrangle up their dogs and try to find them something. And 670 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:36.079 maybe it's just a hunter looking for its dog. So when I first seen 671 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.480 this thing standing up alongside the road, it was between you got the truck 672 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.960 and the trailer coming down. It was like right where the hitch would be. 673 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.760 So as soon as the trailer passed it, what this thing does? 674 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:53.239 It swayed back, and then it started crossing the road. And still at 675 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.840 that point, I'm still thinking hunter. But the first thing that stood out, 676 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.840 which the first red flag was ever though that the truck and the trailer 677 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:07.519 was on the down slope, this thing was much much taller than like the 678 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.840 highest point of that vehicle at that time. Now I'm still on I'm still 679 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.159 on this destraight away and I'm still going fifty miles an hour toward it, 680 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:21.320 so the view is getting better and better. So by the time it got 681 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.960 to the middle stripe of the road, the truck and the trailer had already 682 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.639 gone down far enough that I just had like a perfect view of this thing. 683 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.719 What it did was it walked from my right across the road to the 684 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.199 left, and it went up into the woods that way, So it never 685 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.519 stopped and looked at me. It may have looked at me out of the 686 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.000 corner of it's I it may not even knew that I was coming up that 687 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:49.320 way. So when I seen it, when it was crossing the yellow line 688 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:54.159 of the road, what I thought was a tree at the beginning was actually 689 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:58.719 its arm, it's left arm. First thing I'll mention it was it was 690 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.440 two toned. Its head and its arm was either a black or like a 691 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.320 very very dark brown, and the body was either a tan or like a 692 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:12.320 blonde. It was really light, so that's how I could see it so 693 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.920 well. I was looking right at the side of its head, the shape 694 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.000 of its head, and the arm coming down. So what I thought it 695 00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.599 was a tree at first was actually it's left arm just hanging there the whole 696 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.920 time. It did not move its arm. Its arm was down straight, 697 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.840 and it looked like it went down to around where its knee area would be. 698 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.519 Looking at its head, the only thing I could describe it as is 699 00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.000 like a giant football. It was peaked on the top. It was peaked 700 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.360 on the bottom, which I'm assuming where its chin was. But it was 701 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.480 not like, like, yeah, how a person, if you're standing straight, 702 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:50.000 your head is like right above your shoulders. Its head was forward a 703 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.440 little bit and down a little bit. And the first thing that popped in 704 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:57.599 my mind was if you looked at Beauty and the Beast cartoon and you look 705 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.119 at the side profile of the beast, you know, minus the horns on 706 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.000 its head. But that's how the head was in relations to where it was 707 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:09.960 on the body crossed over the left hand lane. The thing didn't even sway. 708 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:14.679 It didn't not make any kind of like up or down movement or anything. 709 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.639 For the whole time I'm there, I'm just staring right a head, 710 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.079 its freighthead, its head and right ads towards where the arm legged shoulder was, 711 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:27.360 And this thing just glided right across the road without even making any kind 712 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.880 of movement. And I would say if the whole time that from point A 713 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.519 to point B was probably about six seconds. So it did not run. 714 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.239 It basically walked across. Because if it would have ran across, you would 715 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:44.400 you would assume there'd become some kind of head bobbing movement and it probably would 716 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.119 have cleared that road in about two seconds. Where I lost it, where 717 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.559 I went into the woods, I was about two hundred yards away from it. 718 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.360 And what it did was it got over to the shoulder. Like I 719 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:58.039 said, it's it's a shallow shoulder, and then the step up is probably 720 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:01.679 about three feet and then you're into the woods. It turned very slightly away 721 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:06.239 from me, went up into the woods. I was able to see it's 722 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.400 the right shoulder blade and that's how I seen where the color of its hair 723 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:15.079 was. And into the woods, I was not close enough to tell if 724 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.199 it was like a male or female or get any kind of like a muscle 725 00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.679 and definition. But except for the shoulder blade when it turned and went up 726 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:29.159 into the woods, just the way that the shape of its head and how 727 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.039 it was positioned on its body, I mean, there's no way that that 728 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:37.000 was a human. There was some kind of a monster. Yeah, how 729 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:38.679 tall do you think this thing was. Do you have any idea about how 730 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.880 much it might have weighed. I don't know how much it weighed. It 731 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.960 didn't appear to have like a real barrel chested like a thick body. Was 732 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:50.320 more slender. It could have been toned. Went out there about three days 733 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.000 later, take some pictures and try to take a measurement, and the best 734 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.559 it could come up with about seven and a half eight feet tall. I 735 00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.719 mean, the closer I got to this thing, when it was in the 736 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:01.239 left tan lane and just about to getting over his shoulder, I'm just looking 737 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.920 up at him like, oh my god, this thing is vague. Yeah, 738 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.760 Like I said, I went back about three days later. I went 739 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.360 into the area where it came out of. I'm assuming it was was private 740 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.320 property and were it crossed into was stay property. So all I want to 741 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.360 say, I went into the to the woods where where it came out of 742 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.960 and found I found some tree breaks that that kind of stood out. There 743 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.079 was a bunch of down trees and they were kind of like in like a 744 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.280 weird kind of like a stacking formation, which could be anything, you know. 745 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:37.119 Basically, the tree breaks really really stood out. And it also left 746 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.000 an audio recorder into the woods where it went into for a couple of nights 747 00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:45.559 and got some tree knocks that they pretty much were back out in the distance. 748 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.480 I think I sent you two which were probably about the loudest ones. 749 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.920 When was at ten o'clock at night and when was at two o'clock in the 750 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.039 morning, So there was tree knox going on where it went into. But 751 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.400 it was like the last piece of the puzzle was right there. Here. 752 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.239 I am trumping through the woods, you know, looking for stuff, and 753 00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.800 I just happened to be at the right place at the right time and looking 754 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.840 at the right direction. Because if I would have, you know, if 755 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.159 I would have been fooling around with my cell phone or fooling around with the 756 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.880 radio or I wouldn't, I would have missed it. I mean, like 757 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:19.599 I said, the whole thing was like about six seconds, and I just 758 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.679 happened to be looking rate at this that thing and got it. It's the 759 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:27.880 craziest thing in the world. Awesome, man, there's the Peter Burns out 760 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.519 there that have been looking for Bigfoot for fifty years and somebody almost hits one 761 00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.480 monthly in a priest. That's all you gotta do is drive around them, 762 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.880 and that's what I've always said, that's how I want to see these things. 763 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.000 I can tell you. I was out yesterday and I'm a little bit 764 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:45.400 of a nerd, so I started watching some gold Rush reruns and I went 765 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.400 out and I ended up panting for some gold just to pass some time yesterday 766 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.920 on Sunday here on the property, and I got pretty deep into the property 767 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:54.639 away from the house, and I started hearing some weird shit around me in 768 00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.599 the woods, and I sort of had that feeling like I was being watched. 769 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:00.960 Could have been a big cat, could been a squirrel, I don't 770 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:04.760 know. But I had this moment where I thought, holy shit, If 771 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.159 I'm out here, been over killing my back panting for gold and I look 772 00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.039 up and there's a sasquatch on the ridge, I'm probably gonna shiit my pants. 773 00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:14.320 I do not want to have that kind of encounter. Honestly. I 774 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.239 wanted to be in a car at fifty miles an hour where I can say, 775 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.880 yep, I know exactly what that is, and I'm going to go 776 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.800 into the grocery store. That's just how I want to have my encounter. 777 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:27.519 And the other thing that that played in my favor a crossed. You got 778 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.440 the hill, there's a cross right in the middle, so it's the background. 779 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.960 When it was crossing, the background was still the road, opposed to 780 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.079 like if it was out on top of the hill and they crossed, you're 781 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.039 gonna have some kind of trees and maybe part of the sky that's kind of 782 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:44.199 like obscuring your view. But this thing crossed right in the middle of the 783 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.199 hill. Background was the road, so I had like a great view of 784 00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:51.360 it. You kind of mentally prepare yourself and every day when you go out 785 00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.079 there, what are you gonna do if you're run into this and you're just 786 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:58.199 trying to make like mental pictures of what this thing would look like. But 787 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.800 I think if I was out there by myself off and I came across this 788 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.880 thing, every though I am armed, and this thing was in a bad 789 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.599 mood, I mean, I don't know what I would do. I mean, 790 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.320 I would either have to take one for the team, or I mean 791 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.800 I can actually see where this for the right person or the wrong person this 792 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.199 way running into one of these things, especially what I seen, might cause 793 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.119 some like emotional trauma. I mean, this thing was a monster. I 794 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.599 mean, just just the way that it looked the way that it moved. 795 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.960 I've never seen anything, you know. I caught a picture of an ORB 796 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:35.559 by my game camera years ago, but that could have been either a spirit 797 00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:39.400 activity or because there's paranormal stuff that's going on there too. But I've never 798 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:45.000 seen anything, you know, directly related to Bigfoot and like an ORB coming 799 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.760 down or a light coming out of the sky and zapping it up or anything. 800 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.000 So I don't know what it is. I'm leaning toward flesh and blood, 801 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.239 but yeah, this this thing was looked like a damn monster. It 802 00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:58.239 sounds like it. Man. We've talked about it a couple of times. 803 00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.599 I will definitely post the pictures and stuff that you sent me over on the 804 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.800 Sasquatch out to See blog so you can check out Paranormal ward Productions dot com. 805 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:07.639 Check out the blog at the top of the page. But do you 806 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.079 post your stuff? Don't you have a website? We want to tell people 807 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.920 where they can go and find some of the stuff that you post. Yes, 808 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.400 started a website about three years ago just because of all the stuff that 809 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:21.000 I've been documenting and just all the stuff that's been happening. It's meat doc 810 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:27.159 Bigfoot dot com. M e d oc bigfoot dot com and that's the area. 811 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:31.480 And I just throw up stuff that I caught on audio recorder and just 812 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:36.159 different stuff that's been happening. You know, documents do have a little fun 813 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:37.639 with it. I will have that linked in the show notes. You guys, 814 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.880 go over and check out meat doc bigfoot dot com. Johnny, I 815 00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:44.079 appreciate you coming on and sharing your stuff. Man, I've had a blast. 816 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:45.840 It's been an honor, right. I really appreciate you having me. 817 00:53:46.119 --> 00:54:22.800 They say you don't gotta go home. We're all out. That chime, 818 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:30.039 this joy, that chime, everything coming right back, right baby. My 819 00:54:30.320 --> 00:55:29.239 choice for me to stay right now, I'm coming right away. Ssssstcame the 820 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:46.360 brass to us, to us, to us, to us, to us, 821 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:49.599 to use us.