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Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your
host, Cliff Dunning. It has been

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months since we've discussed anything to do
with extraterrestrials, alien interactions, abductions,

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sightings, even probes coming to observe
us from Afar, And this week we

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are featuring an experiencer is what they're
called, people who have had interactions with

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off world beings. You can call
them aliens. Some people have had interactions

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with what are beings of light.
Some beings have evolved, some beans have

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turned into almost pure consciousness and appear
and disappear in different kinds of ships that

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we can't really consider metal or made
from some kind of mass of some kind.

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But today we're talking with actually a
person who I've known for about thirty

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years, Robert Perrella, who had
an experience almost thirty five years ago that

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left such a deep impression on him
that he has written. He had written

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a number of books on his experience
and continues to talk about them. He

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also is the MC Master of Ceremonies
for a number of conferences up and down

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the California coast, that's Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, and

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then north of me here in Marin
County where there is a Mouffon Group mutual

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UFO organization where he speaks and he
introduces new and upcoming people who are also

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experience seeing the phenomenon. Now,
it's unfortunate in some ways that where we're

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at, and when I say that, as a species on an evolutionary path,

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we're still kind of stuck in a
quagmire of shoot first asked questions later

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and President Eisenhower, who was a
World War two Supreme General for the United

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States, recognized that the industrial military
complex, as he called it, was

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an overwhelming part of the United States, and what he meant was that it

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was being fed by congressional grants of
huge sums of money that after the war,

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continued to grow and became a dominating
factor to this day where we're having

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the oversight of the military mindset dominating
how we're react to interactions with off world

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beings and what that means. And
I think you're getting you can get the

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sense of what I'm talking about is
that the policies that we have in place

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are militaristic, meaning that anybody who
comes into our airspace who doesn't identify them

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space identify themselves Anybody who flies and
uh hovers over military bases, over various

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cities, places of population is considered
suspicious, and so we're we want to

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shoot them down. We don't you
know they it's it's kind of a rudiment.

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It's kind of a very out of
touch, out of place way to

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react to an intervention with an alien
race. Now, it's my best guess,

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and there's a number of authors who
also write about this, that probably

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the vast majority of these et and
the beings that are flying them are extremely

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advanced. You know, a few
hundred years, a thousand years, could

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be many, many thousands of years
in advance of us, and they have

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evolved to the point where there are
observers and they don't need That's the last

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thing they care about is to subjugate
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us, which I think is one
of the big fears of the military.

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And so we don't have the interaction
that I really crave. And I've spoken

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about this for a number of years
that I was very much involved in the

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et UFO UAP phenomenon and had as
a side track to a conference would have

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the best of the best, the
foremost authorities on the people who had alien

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abductions, who had alien interactions,
who witnessed craft, who saw them up

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close and personal, and this included
some ex military. A number of airline

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pilots have come forward, and people
like Steven Greer, who are going out

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of their way to kind of create
a disclosure scenario, have become very prominent

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in the lives of people who are
interested in UAP's alien interactions. Now,

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if you follow Earth Ancients, we've
had people like doctor av lob On the

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program, a foremost astronomer from Harvard
University, and he is of the mindset

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that we are being viewed and inspected
if you want to call it that,

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and observed through these advanced probes.
And we're going to have doctor Lobon later

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in the year to give us an
update on his program of skimming the water.

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Remember, he believes that a probe
entered our atmosphere, burnt up and

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landed off of New Guinea in the
Pacific Ocean, and he actually went out

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and scratched and scratched and uh dredge
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Now we want to hear about that. But he's also gonna go out

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again, and I don't know if
it's this summer or the fall where he's

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gonna go out and dredge the dredge
under the water again and see what else

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he can come up with. I
don't think there's a you're gonna get a

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lot, because when it interests the
atmosphere, it's gonna break up pretty significantly.

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But he would go a long way
to prove that the metal that he's

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collected is an exotic metal, not
of our planet, which would be a

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good indicator that these are alien probes. So I think, you know,

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it's funny because I don't think av
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we hear him. And when I
say that is I think he's one of

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these people who believes that were on
the cusp of a major disclosure, if

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not a huge craft orbiting our planet
or out in the cosmos that are quite

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detectable. And I mean a lot
of people freak out when they hear that.

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You know, it's like a War
of the World's kind of scenario,

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like they're going to come and dominate
us and destroy us. And that's another

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problem is that we have these movies
that are just out of control It's never

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a positive scenario where we have ets
coming to Earth. It's always like,

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oh, they're here to overtake us, to dominate us, to experiment with

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us. In some of the early
programs to come and actually eat us.

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There was a I think it was
The Outer Limits had a program where the

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aliens came and they entered, they
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ships for what they were saying was
a visit to their planet. Well,

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as it turns out, we were
food for their people. I shouldn't laugh,

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but it's funny. It's hilarious,
and you know, it's like,

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those are the kind of scenarios that
get it are left with us, and

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it's like, how are we supposed
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idiots in Hollywood and television coming up
with these scenarios. Now there's been better,

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there's been more positive movies that have
been made, but they're in the

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minority. I think people like to
be scared, and this is why Hollywood

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makes its money when you have scary
aliens coming to Earth and doing weird things.

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So, but today's program is more
on a positive note. It's a

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traumatic experience when you are face to
face with an et. I've always said

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that most of these aliens vibrating energetically
a lot higher than we are, and

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it's important that they kind of stay
keep their distance. And this is why

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when there are interactions, these beans
are wearing special suits, or they're in

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another room, or they have gently
anestized anesticized the person who is on their

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ship, or relax them in some
way, because it's dangerous for us to

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interact with these beings that are many
thousands of years old. But today we're

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going to hear an interesting event that
happened and left its impression on our guest

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today. So today's program is the
Visitors, and my guest is Robert Perella.

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This week is our official launch of
our twenty twenty five schedule, and

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we're taught Easter Island. It's going
to be March fifteenth through twenty third,

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and we are being led by none
other than our good friend doctor Edwin Barnhardt.

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And I wanted to ask just a
brief question or two because I obviously

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have never been there and I'm really
excited to be a part of this.

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It was a highlight talk about the
moai. There's a number of them,

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aren't there. There are so many
moai there it's outrageous. You see from

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coffee table books that there's lines of
them, but in point of fact,

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there's over one thousand moi and they're
spread all over the island. They're where

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ancient villages used to be. So
we're gonna go visit a bunch of those.

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There's also the quarry. There's one
quarry where almost all of them were

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made, and a lot of them
are still half made lying in the quarry.

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That thing is just a sight to
see how grew up briefly, and

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I didn't realize they have an observatory
there. Is it a planetarium or is

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it more of a setup for evening
sites. It's a planetarium. It's a

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passion project by a man named EDMUNDO
Edwards who's been studying the archaeo astronomy of

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the island for his entire life,
I think almost fifty years now. He

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knows more than anyone and he put
together this planetarium to share this lifetime of

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knowledge with the visitors that come to
the place. Fantastic. So March fifteenth

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to the twenty third, that is
a week, and it sounds like we've

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really packed a lot in during those
seven days, right, I tell you,

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For an island that's only twelve miles
across, there is an endless amount

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of things to see there. Looking
forward to it fantastic all right? For

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more information, you go to Earthancients
dot com forward slash tours, look for

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the photo of Ed standing next to
one of the Big Mai sculptures and registered

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as soon as you can. I
want to let you know that we are

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now looking at being fairly full.
The maximum we're going to take us thirty

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people, so we might be getting
really close to that. So again,

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go to Earthachiens dot com forward slash
tours. Thanks Ed, Thank you,

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Cliff. It's been a while since
we've talked about extraterrestrials and I live here

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in northern California, and I,
over a period of time, have come

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to know a lot of the local
legends and ongoing sightings that are here.

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If you're not familiar with northern California, the most famous location is a place

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called Mount Shasta, and Mount Shasta
has quite a history. A lot of

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people believe it was part of MoU
or Limoria. There's sightings of Bigfoot,

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but there's also a tremendous amount of
UFO activity in and around the actual mountain

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and the neighboring city of the area. I live in the Bay Area and

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there's a lot of activity here too. There's a Mouffon Mutual UFO group that

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is in Petaluma. There used to
be one in santase And as a program

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director for Whole Life Expo and in
other conferences, I've been fortunate to meet

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a number of interesting individuals, and
today I'm I'm welcoming Robert Parala, who's

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been with God. Robert's been around
the Bay Area for decades and he had

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his own experience which is quite profound, and wrote a book called The Divine

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Blueprint a number of years ago.
And I wanted to have Robert on the

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program not only to get his personal
perspective, his experience, but also to

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get a sense of where we're going, what he feels personally on this whole

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phenomenon of ET interaction. So,
Hey, Robert, welcome to Destiny.

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Great to see you. Hey,
thanks, Cliff, It's lovely to connect

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with you too. Yeah. I
hear a lot about you and your show,

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and it's really good to be on. Yeah. Sure, yeah,

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you know it's funny. We've known
each other. Must be close to thirty

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years, right, because we go
back to Whole Life Expo and this event

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that happened to you, you was
thirty five years ago, right, Yeah,

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approximately nineteen seventy seven was the first
one, and the second one in

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nineteen ninety seven, so long.
Yeah, it's funny because I remember you

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publishing your book, The Divine Blueprint, and there's another one. I guess

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the revised edition is The Divine Architect. But this was a profound event.

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Now, let's kind of go back
a little bit before the event. Were

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you because you were part of conferences, you had your own business and things

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like that. But were you kind
of a UFO enthusiast or talk a little

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bit about how you where you were
at prior to this experience. Well,

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I was raised in a house where
we were well aware of metaphysics, and

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my mother was always holding little meetings
with these ladies that would come over,

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and they were experimenting with seances and
transcendental meditation, which was really far out

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when you were a boy in the
mid sixties. And I remember at one

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point we had a reputation that if
the furniture was moving by itself. You

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were probably at the pirellas you know, and they were very so my mother

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was very experimented with that. So
we knew about UFOs, and we knew

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about metaphysics and the esoteric in the
mystery schools. But really it wasn't until

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I was on a skiing vacation.
I'm actually sixty eight years old now I'm

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sixty nine next month in August,
but in December of nineteen seven. And

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by the way, I'm probably one
of the oldest speakers now on the UFO

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circuit and one of the originals that
met with j. Allen Heinek, the

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founder of this industry, more or
less in community in the early early days.

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But the long short of it was, now, I was on a

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skiing vacation in nineteen seventy seven.
I'm really given UFO as much thought at

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all. I was on a skiing
vacation and I was studying a little bit

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about meditation at the time and learned
that thoughts were real things, that they're

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tangible, that your thoughts don't just
residing inside your spirit or your brain,

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but in fact actually can be broadcast
out to a multitude of This aspect of

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what we call the divine intelligence itself, and so I just literally just so

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strange. I asked a question,
if there's anything out there I'd like to

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know someday, And it was just
as simple as that, never thinking anything

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was going to happen or certainly immediately. This is like what like the nineteen

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seventies. This is December twenty sixth, leading into the early morning of December

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twenty seventh, nineteen seventy seven.
I was nineteen seventy seven, Okay,

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I was twenty two years old,
and the middle of the night, we

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were in kind of a chalet that
was up there in Heavenly Valley of all

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things, on this ski trip.
And for some reason, whatever however these

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these entities work, the house seemed
to It was almost as though the fantastic

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arcing storm entered the room that was
divide the imagination, your room, your

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your mind doesn't have room for something
like that, And it seemed like almost

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like the side of the house fell
away, and it was almost like the

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sun was coming through. This brilliant
light of violent green indigo, purple silver

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speckles seemed to just completely envelop me, and suddenly I was encased in kind

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of this frozen position, and down
came down. What I know? This

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sounds incredible. You'll see images later
in the show. What down came what

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looked like three astronauts of some kind. Now, this story I've stayed with

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from the very very beginning. It
hasn't altered. It just defies the imagination.

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Now something like that could happen.
And they I didn't see any faces.

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They wore silver, glowing space suits
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even like the suit itself was alive, and they had like an orange antenna

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on top and an advisor across where
there would be a face. But I

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saw no faces. I don't remember
any They didn't speak to me, which

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would make it much better story,
but they didn't, unfortunately. And suddenly

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I was whisked away in a tunnel
that was of this brilliant light. And

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as people have described your death experiences, the wonder of going through the beauty

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and the tunnel and how beautiful it
was, Well, unfortunately that's not this

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story either. The tunnel light I
went through actually was very painful, and

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at one point I thought I was
going to even surrender to death because it

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felt like being on fire. What
what were these beings with you as you're

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going through this temple a tunnel?
Excuse me, it was a tunnel going

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up to the craft into this earth
where what was the direction the It was

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just in a forward motion. I
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in front of me, or even
with me. All I know is I

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was being projected, you know,
in this in this light. And then

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I suddenly arrived in this room and
it had no nothing in it. It

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was it didn't even have corners in
the room. It just seemed to be

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a gray kind of hue everywhere and
no definition. And then I remember floating

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in a suspended animation, not being
able to move, and even my thoughts

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were frozen, and it didn't sound
look at a glass object of some sort.

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I don't remember it being a long
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back and I was lowered in this
blue bubble that I was in, and

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lowered down onto the bed, and
these astronauts whatever they were, stood there,

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and then suddenly everything closed back up. It's as though the atmosphere that

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had closed up this light had closed
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and I'm lying there on the bed
incomplete and totally complete shock. I have

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no idea what it was. And
eventually I threw up over the side of

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the bed, and eventually I did
crawl out of the bed and I crawled

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across the floor and I made my
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which was a little bathroom. I
turned on the light and I pulled

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myself up. I thought, a
splash some water, my faces said,

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breakdown. I thought, well, maybe

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this is some kind of implosion that
I've had or something, some kind of

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some kind of mental break Yeah.
Yeah, So I was soaked in kind

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of about an oil like material,
like a honey oil like material, and

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I was sunburned. Now, when
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no reference point or in comparison.
You're wondering what's happened, and there's there's

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this feeling of I thought I've had
some sort of manifestation and that. But

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I know what I saw, and
I was in such a shock. And

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I'll speed up the story because I
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aspects of other things that people might
be interested in. But long story short,

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I was brought home that next day, and I didn't say anything about

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what this was. I didn't know
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arrived at my little apartment in Las
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street from a little metaphysical bookstore of
all things, and I locked myself in

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my apartment. And actually that was
the first day I was going to live

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alone. It only moved out of
my house the year before, out of

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my parents' house, and only lived
at the roommate for one year, and

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this was actually day one where I
was going to live alone. I called

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in sick to work and I stayed
in the apartment for about seven days and

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I tried to make sense out of
this cliff. I really had no idea

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what this was. And I made
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this has some kind of manifestation,
and long story short, I found a

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book called the UFO Chronicles bike Doctor
j ellen Heinich, and there was a

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book by Brad Steiger called Alien Meetings. I remember Brad Steiger, Yeah,

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incredible guy. So and then incredibly
there was a magazine, UFO Magazine,

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and I was just sort of getting
idies, does have anything to do with

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space beings or something I didn't have
a narrative for it. And as I

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opened up the magazine, and this
is absolutely the same story that I've stayed

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with. So now I was twenty
one, then twenty two, then I'm

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sixty eight now so and I opened
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there is a photo of something that's
really close to what I saw.

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And that photo was taken by an
off duty police officer, Jeff Greenshaw from

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Folkville, Alabama. It was shot
in October nineteen seventy three. Well,

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you could have knocked me over with
a feather, I thought, My God

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in heaven, that looks I mean, it was only ten percent. It's

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a black crued black and white photograph, so all the light is missing,

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all the storm arcing storm that was
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was missing. Doesn't can you describe
it? Is it? Is it an

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actual ship? Is it a is
it a bubble? Does it have a

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it's a two shot. There's two
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being which what looks like a silver
spaced humanoid of some sort with advisor and

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you can see the little dot at
the top, which is what the photograph

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was able to take and that was
the orange antenna. And then there's another

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shot of three of them and they
look semi transparent, as though they were

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moving from physical to non physical.
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that this photograph is this would you
guess of the same race of beings that

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connected with you? There's really it
was still to the stand as no aid

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to Really I've never traced it as
to where they really come from, you

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know, souls. And I've said
this before, and I'm kind of going

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along the lines of some of the
early predecessors that maybe you've on your show,

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things like that. The old days
there was Barbara Marsiniac and the Pleiadeans,

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it was Barbarahan Klow, And I
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appear. In fact, it even
says in the Lost Books of Job,

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which is not included in the standard
version of the Bible or port King James

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version. The Lost Books of Job
says, you are descendants up the House

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of Pleiades. You are descendants of
the House of Seven Sisters, and in

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that is an area where I believe
humans may come from, which is this

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It's about forty what is it forty
million light years from here. It resides

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in the constellation of Urus, and
in that is a series of cluster of

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stars called Tigeta Maya Era Electra Elsion
Mob and it's from this era. It

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is highly likely, perhaps that humans
are coming to the material world here as

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an adjunct to their studies. They
come here by divine appointment, I believe,

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And so are these beings from there? I couldn't say, but I

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brought the photo to the very first
UFO conference of its kind, which was

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held in May of nineteen seventy eight, and it was put on by doctor

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j Ellen Heinik. Wow. I
looked at that ad and I said,

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this must be the go to guy. This is the go to guy.

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I'm gonna go. I'm gonna take
this photo. I'm gonna take this magazine.

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I'm going to go to this guy
and tell him. I went and

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I arrived there. Now JJ and
dasre Hertdak aren't sure if they were there.

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I remember them being there. What
city was it? Where was it?

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Hell was in South San Francisco at
the airport. Okay, it was

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at the San Francisco Airport Hilton,
which is now a parking lot. So

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it's long gone and does Rain and
j J. Hertuck were there, and

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William Shatner, incredibly was there.
And I was telling my story to Jale

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and Heineke and you remember those little
cassettes that we used to have where you

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push them into the cassette player and
you close the plush, push play and

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record. And he why would I
give to have that tape today? And

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he said, tell me what happened? Well, as I was telling him

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that this guy was kind of trying
to intervene in a moment with Jail and

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heinich Is, I was amazed.
He was talking to me really and and

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then it turned. I turned around
and it was William Chatner. So that

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was quite a moment for me when
I later thought about it on the way

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home and thought, well, well, that's really not the story I'd ever

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want to tell. You could never
go home and tell people you think you've

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seen an extraterrestrial You told the leading
science researcher in the country. And Captain

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Kirk was listening in as well,
because William Shatner, years before was Captain

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Kirk in the TV series Star Trek. But that is how funny life works.

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So and that's how it happened,
and then I didn't go public until

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nineteen ninety four, So you were
dealing with what I would consider trauma from

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this event. Now, since that
time, have you been able to have

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more of a memory of what actually
happened? Is there lost time in your

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situation during this experience? Well,
interestingly enough, I never saw that ever

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again to this day, not even
a dream, nothing. But as far

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as the emotional impact, it absolutely
utterly sort of shattered me emotionally. I

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kept thinking, is there a law
or is there a physics law that says

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the body as we're living now can
actually move between the planes with the body

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or even without the body, But
do we move between planes? And that

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became a study for a long time. That led onto researching. Of course,

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you know tons of people that would
be like on your show, that

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have near death experiences go to the
other side come back. In fact,

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I interviewed and talked to Anita Moore
Johnny last year at Conscious Like Texpo,

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and she has one of the best
testimonies of being taken out of her body

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and coming back and then forth then
had a tale to tell what is awaiting,

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And so that became a real big
part of what So in the community

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that we're in, if I was
going to be compared to anybody, I'd

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probably be more compared to Danny and
Brinkley kind of experiencer, type of guide

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than I say. I'm not the
pre eminent researcher, and I'm certainly not

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the social media missile. Yeah,
but Robert, you had a unique experience,

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and you've said some very key things
during the experience that you felt ill

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and you at one point it was
so I think you said painful that you

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almost felt like you were dying.
What was that all about? Why would

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they subject to you to that?
Was it? The I mean because when

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I thought when I heard that,
I thought about a number of cases where

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I've heard people walking up to the
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some unknown electromagnetic energy field, they
when they touched the craft, it either

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shocks them into unconsciousness or it is
extremely painful burns. So where do you

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think you fall Ooh, you know, there was really no reference point for

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that. I don't know. I
came out of the experience very disoriented and

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had a soundburn that only lasted about
a day before it disappeared. What it's

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from that would be a great story
to say it was radiation burns and I

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was standing right next to the ship. That's such a great story. I

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know, there's so much missing in
my own experience. I can only go

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on what I experienced and what I
visualize, and I try to stay within

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the realm of, you know,
some kind of truth and not embellish on

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it, because I had to totally
understand that community is loaded with people that

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would love to sell a book and
embellish the story and then add a conversation

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or becoming a necessary or ambassador even
or But unfortunately, you know, my

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story is just exactly you know what
it is. How the burn happened.

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I don't know. How about how
about the missing time? You remember we

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used to have at the expo.
Bud Hopkins, who wrote Intruders, he

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was always recording the people who were
taken on board for observations and medical exams.

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A lot of them were anesthetize and
they had tremendous amounts of missing time

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up to half a day sometimes.
How about in your case, is there

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any sense of time at all?
Well, there was an experience I had,

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It wasn't the missing time during my
personal encounter was maybe it's hard to

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say it was. You know,
it was almost immeasurable. Really, it

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didn't seem like the event lasted very
long, but three minutes perhaps, if

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I were to measure in time.
But souls are taken momentarily at all different

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points of consciousness, even in my
own case. I remember one time thriving

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home oddly from the San Francisco Airport
many years later, and I was suddenly

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in math in view, and I
remember it really shocking me that, you

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know, in a blink of an
eye, it was suddenly a non view.

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And I know it's not just when
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I remember that particular moment. But
souls have direct contact with everything and anything

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imaginable. It's not for them to
interfere or disturb us in any form,

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because from what I've calculated, the
soul's agreement is to come here and to

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concentrate on its lessons, which is
largely a personal growth story. It's one

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of learning about tolerance and selfless kindness
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And it's really almost a galactic personal
growth agreement that we come here and

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be and we're almost closed off visually, mentally, and emotionally to these other

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support systems that are actually walking all
around us every day. Now, many

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people, like on your show,
would say, I've had glimpses and came

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out of my body and I saw
people walking right past me and saw the

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footsteps that they were stepping in right
right past me. So you see,

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actually, when you when the body
is is calm enough and when the mind

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is calm enough, the literally the
the center of the AJNA center or whatever

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you want to call it, that
that is able to see into the ethers

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witnesses a community. Actually, you
might even say this community as they walk

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by, not even your not even
only your thoughts or even your own you're

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actually sharing the space. And sometimes
you think of thought and it just pops

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in your head and you hear it
in your own mind's voice. But that

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way it's comforting. You know,
it would be very disturbing somebody among the

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other sides in your thinking to yourself
and then they said, well, Cliff,

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can I answer that question for you? It would be very disconcerting.

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Yeah, I'm curious because you're you're
kind of getting into this near death experience.

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We'll get into more of it later
when you actually had an experience in

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Egypt. But would you say that
the pain was so great in this experience

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of being taken by these three beings
that you were shifted into a possible near

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death experience. I'm just curious as
to because you know, you were obviously

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traumatized, but maybe it was more
than that. Maybe they subjected you to

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energies that were a little more than
you could handle. Yeah, for sure,

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that's that question. Also is did
they take me actually physically or was

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I pulled out of my body and
then returned back to the body. That

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also is unfortunate area I can't live
answer. Although the sensation of being on

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fire was exactly like it would be
if you were physical and you were standing,

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you know, too close to a
fire or an electrical current, the

407
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evidence of being in a substance on
my body was was something unknown, and

408
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:37.639
the burn lasted only until the next
day. The substance itself when it first

409
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:43.599
happened for the first who knows how
long weeks. As weeks went by,

410
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I kept thinking at that point,
the early days, it was that the

411
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:54.079
body secretes its own natural emergency system
somehow and secretes a different kind of sweat,

412
00:37:54.119 --> 00:38:00.119
like a like a goo almost that
comes from the inside. But and

413
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.960
I never really found anything to substantiate
that seemed to be something that was Maybe

414
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:12.800
it was a protectant of some kind, you know, So would you getting

415
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.920
back to the beans, did you
ever, I mean, this has been

416
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a long time, decades. Did
anything ever happen in a dream or other

417
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:29.559
consciousness where you did get a message
from them? Is there any communications whatsoever,

418
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:36.679
any physical connections whatsoever? Actually,
yes, in many, in a

419
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:40.920
number of different forms. Once you're
open to it and you're going after it,

420
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.039
so to speak, or studying it, researching it, and eventually I

421
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.719
was even like you, I was
interviewing people in the show up in San

422
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:57.519
Francisco for a few years or three
years or something. What you're pursuing can

423
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:06.800
pull you towards that experience if you're
approaching it with I think humility and maturity.

424
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.280
I've been out of my body a
number of times. I've seen their

425
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:15.880
footsteps in their places. Let me
digress. When I was a boy and

426
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.880
I was in the first grade,
I saw apparitions, and I saw them

427
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.760
often. These are men and women
like you and I who have benefited from

428
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:30.880
greater time or greater knowledge, and
at one time lived physically and moved over

429
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:37.119
to the next ether, and are
experiencing this slightly less than physical ether,

430
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:43.960
fourth or fifth dimensional what have you? And I saw these apparitions, so

431
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.800
I grew up with the idea even
that there were beings around us. I

432
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.159
wasn't so removed like the In fact, they made me do the first grade

433
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.840
over again, and they on my
report card, they would write things.

434
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.320
My teacher would write things like Robert
says, he sees people standing behind it.

435
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:05.320
Are you kidding me? Your teacher
wrote that. Yes, my teacher

436
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.519
wrote it, and they and he
says, he says he sees some people

437
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:15.239
standing behind the teacher, and this
disturbs the class and he's distracted. We

438
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.199
feel that it would be better if
he did the first grade again. So

439
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.639
I did it again. That a
council come up, but I s don't

440
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.760
remember her name, missus Mitchell,
And she was asking me, as a

441
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.440
little boy, you know, tell
me about these beings. I said,

442
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:36.199
well, you must have seen them. I said, well you must have

443
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.440
seen them. I mean, I've
seen them. They're here in the middle

444
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:43.400
of the night when my parents are
sleeping, and then I see them sometimes

445
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:47.119
I've seen them on the playground and
I've seen them walk past my teacher and

446
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:52.920
they just seem to walk through a
wall and that's it, and I might

447
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.800
never see that one again. So
I knew the realities were malleable then,

448
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.360
even as a child, and so
I was open open to it. And

449
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:07.880
do you think that that's maybe one
of the reasons why you were selected by

450
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:15.920
this off world group is that you
already had a nervous system adaptable to different

451
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:22.639
realities, different frequencies. Uh,
and you are seeing these these beings on

452
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:30.199
your own plane, I think so. I think we from what I've learned,

453
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.639
when you look at the origin of
this al you you begin to see

454
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.599
re I look for reoccurring pictures.
And I'm not the best researcher you've got

455
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.079
on your show, but I know
enough to read the important aspects of you

456
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.079
know, and things like what pre
birth planning, and it seems to be

457
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.199
a re I look for reoccurring themes. You know, I sit up late

458
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.199
at night watching near death experience videos
and and it's an educational process. You

459
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:58.440
and I see it reoccurring theme.
And when I see that reoccurring theme of

460
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.320
people that don't know each other that
share this theme. You begin to see

461
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.320
a picture of Oh, I get
it. So the soul actually lives on

462
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:12.119
the other side well for what appears
to be maybe the majority of the time,

463
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.920
and then is in an agreement somehow
to come to the material plane.

464
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:24.039
They find a set prerequ the prerequisite
set of circumstances and outline for the soul,

465
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.559
certain time zone, you would come
into, a certain geographical location,

466
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.119
a certain family. And then of
course we have people down here that have

467
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.039
been tracing like astrology and where did
when did you come in? And where

468
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.840
did you come in? And then
those stories, and then you begin to

469
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.519
see a set of prerequisite lessons that
you're coming into. And then there's there's

470
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:52.039
even demarcation points at your life stream
of when there may be an intervention of

471
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:59.960
some sort, the have a miraculous
happening to remind you that they are there

472
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.840
in some form, and so you
may be pulled out of your body and

473
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.960
brought back, You may be brought
to a different plane. You may have

474
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.480
a direct visitation and stay here on
this side. So it happens in a

475
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.519
number of different ways. So you're
kind of walking through a divine intelligence that's

476
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:22.840
a network of intelligent beings that we
can't see all day long, who are

477
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:28.159
educating us and who are watching our
choices, and then those choices, when

478
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:35.559
we're done with our material world existence, are looked at and evaluated on the

479
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.440
other side as to how did you
progress? And then you wake up.

480
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:43.320
So you walk in from a dream
and you see, oh, I was

481
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:47.719
sent there as an adjunct to my
studies. Oh wow, and it can

482
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.800
be a very long journey, as
I found out. Yeah, you know,

483
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:59.039
I'm just curious because you know,
you talk about being taken aboard the

484
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:06.840
spacecraft and here's three beings. Maybe
you were conscious, allowed to be conscious

485
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:12.639
just for a fraction of the time, and everything else was kind of dotted

486
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.679
out, you know, you were
kind of you're made to forget. Perhaps

487
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:23.519
you had which is classic with a
lot of these abductions or meetings where you

488
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:31.559
were had some procedures done on you
and you were not allowed to remember that

489
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:36.000
because maybe they were you know,
not very comfortable or whatever. But I

490
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.679
mean that's why I was asking you
if anything has come up since, you

491
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:46.599
know in terms of this this interaction
that with these beings. Sometimes you know,

492
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.719
we have a traumatic experience and it's
in our benefit, and always say

493
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.199
that life is happening for you,
not to you. And that's the only

494
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:59.760
I can go on. Why it
would be so painful, I don't know,

495
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.400
because other people claim they've had a
benevolent experience with this. It was

496
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.519
just what it was. And yeah, you know, something like this you

497
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.239
never forget. And when I went
to do my first lecture in the in

498
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.960
July, gosh, you know what
today is what the sixteenth? I think

499
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.360
it actually was July fifteenth. I
did my first lecture in nineteen ninety four.

500
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.079
Nineteen ninety four, so quite a
few years later. Yeah, and

501
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.280
you know, so this is sort
of an anniversary date. What is that?

502
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:38.559
That is thirty years nineteen ninety foyeah
years that it would be thirty years

503
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.159
will tell you this. In sixteen, it would be thirty years yesterday that

504
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.920
I that I did my first lecture. I was scared of. Yeah.

505
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:51.159
I had put up a poster in
a metaphysical book store and I thought we'll

506
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.280
try. You know, I'd actually
seen some of the other speakers. I

507
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:58.480
saw Sean David Morton, I saw
Danny and Brinkley, I saw oh yeah,

508
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.360
Brenvillo, mil Keys and I saw
and I said, you know,

509
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.440
I can do that maybe, and
you know, I should make some notes,

510
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.920
try one of these myself. And
it was. It was in santase

511
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.119
at the di Wein Science Community Center, and in those days they didn't have

512
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.000
the internet, so you had to
go see the guy. And it was

513
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:21.079
a packed house. I remember thinking, oh God, oh Perella, what

514
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:25.280
have you got yourself into now a
lecture? And there was actually a guy.

515
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.199
I was in the last row.
I was sweating together with one hundred

516
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.199
and two that day and the guy
next to me, I'm in the last

517
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:37.480
row. He doesn't know I'm the
speaker. He says, I sure up.

518
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.840
The speaker is good today because the
one they had last month was terrible.

519
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:45.119
That's all you needed to hear.
That was Santase mof On. Wow.

520
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.719
Yeah, that was Santase moof On. Ruben Urie already was there and

521
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.760
you had a number of people and
I went up and I gave the talk

522
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.840
and it was like a blur.
I was so nervous. I turned around.

523
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.079
I had a few illustrations on a
great big white board in those days,

524
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.880
and it was effortless. It was
just though something came into me.

525
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.559
And then it was over. It
was forty five minutes, and they were

526
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:15.400
standing there cheering, and I was
like what It was almost like I wasn't

527
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:20.159
there myself. It was so funny. And a guy comes up to me

528
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.239
and he says, that is the
damnedest talk I have ever heard. Listen,

529
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:27.360
we have a little group that meets
at Stanford University. Would you come

530
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.239
up there and do a talk,
the same talk, just this way for

531
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:35.039
us. I think we charged three
dollars at the door or something, and

532
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.679
I'd never thought about it that way. My first image in my head was

533
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:45.280
that sounds to me like Jerry Lewis
goes to Stanford. Fuck that bumbling idiot,

534
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:49.519
you know, Like I thought,
what you know, because I barely

535
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.639
got out of high school. But
they liked the sincerity, the honesty,

536
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:57.199
and it must have been it must
have been, you know, well presented.

537
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.079
We're going to take a short commercial
break to allow our sponsors to identify

538
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:09.320
themselves, and we will return shortly
with my guests today, Robert Perella discussing

539
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:17.079
his book The Divine Blueprint and his
interaction with off world Beans. Will be

540
00:48:17.679 --> 00:49:06.440
right back. My guest today,
Robert Perella had a et experience a interaction

541
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:12.320
thirty five years ago, and has
written about it extensively in his two books,

542
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:17.119
The Divine Blueprint and The Divine Architect
and what he believes is the future

543
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:29.599
of et human disclosure. You talk
about extraterrestrial science, and I'm really curious

544
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.480
because this is something that has come
out of your experience and you kind of

545
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:38.360
related to the Platheons and their race
of beings. But what what what's going

546
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:44.199
on with this extra extraterrestrial science,
Robert? What? What? What is

547
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:49.840
this something that's come through you?
Is this something that you've studied talk about

548
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.760
it? Well, it studied it, you know, on of all throughout

549
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:58.679
my whole life. So whether we
were talking about some of the great authors

550
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.760
that have come through, and I
don't know, people have mentioned, like

551
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:06.000
you know, Greg Braden and Drama
melches A Deck and there were so many

552
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.519
names that kind of came through.
But in the last four years, I've

553
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:14.880
been on a zoom call almost not
every Wednesday. For a long time it

554
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.480
was every Wednesday, but now it's
more like every other Wednesday. And how

555
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.400
many people know this? But I've
been working with Danny Sheen for years.

556
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:30.800
You know Danny Sheen, the famed
constitutional Harvard Law Yeah, and so he

557
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:36.440
started this committee of one hundred which
is on this Wednesday nights, and it

558
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:44.880
first started out as climate change,
domestic policy, international policy. But what's

559
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:52.079
happened recently in studying that the science
of UFOs is he was one of the

560
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:59.440
nine lawyers that got a sponsorship and
that sponsorship was able to produce and support

561
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.800
room at the Methodist Building which is
across the street from the House of Congress.

562
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:09.320
And in the last four years,
you know, they have been writing

563
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:16.960
a sort of treatise on what disclosure
would look like and to be able to

564
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:22.880
kind of control. Let's put it
this way. YouTube is filling up with

565
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:28.119
all these sightings of people with their
cell phones out of a window in a

566
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:31.840
altitude Blaine on its way to London, or are they caught something over a

567
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:37.559
lake or whatever, And it's filling
up so fast with anomalous objects in the

568
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:42.400
distances. Not to interfere too much, they're all seem to be kind of,

569
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:46.880
you know, the classics, slightly
out of focus or non evasive targets.

570
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:54.599
But what he's been writing is is
this document that preparing for first contact

571
00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:01.119
because they believe and behind the scenes
is this talk being prepared and laws being

572
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:08.559
prepared for if they're more of a
direct contact happens, how do we respond,

573
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:13.079
Are we underneath an umbrella of law
of some kind. Well, these

574
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:19.199
guys study science, the science of
how many visitations, how frequent, in

575
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:23.480
what area, in what experience?
Was it direct? Now, of course,

576
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:28.480
the ultimate question is is why happened? Why hasn't a craft made and

577
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:36.079
attempted landing in a major metropolitan area. And the easier answer for that is

578
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:40.800
it probably would shatter the fabric of
this reality. And we're looked on upon

579
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:47.599
as very primitive, a violent species, very unaware universal and spiritual law.

580
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.480
We obviously don't even know how to
live within the law of telling a simple

581
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.880
truth for a lot of us,
although we're learning that, and we have

582
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:06.000
weaponry that is placing us in a
jeopardized position of potentially disturbing the plane so

583
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:10.599
badly that the incoming souls that are
due to come here all of a sudden,

584
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:15.239
that platform and the material plane is
not available. So we're we're at

585
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:22.239
a point of heading towards a I
don't want to say collision course, but

586
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:28.519
we're heading towards an apex where that
technology is so strong now, and this

587
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.719
is why we're seeing a lot of
activity over these nuclear silos all throughout the

588
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:38.559
world. They don't seem to be
aggressive targets. They seem to be curious

589
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.239
and they they And in the meantime, this office that Danny is in is

590
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:51.360
meeting with people like Senator Mark or
Rubio, Senator Kirkland. There's there's a

591
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:54.480
whole list of people that are coming
across the street that are talking about the

592
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:59.480
matter privately. And this is discussed
on the zoom. So I don't think

593
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.559
I'm out of context here, and
Danny, I'm sure is out there somewhere

594
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:08.119
discussing all this and much more detail
than I can do. But that is

595
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:14.679
laws like if you have an artifact
of any kind that is anomalous, it

596
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:19.000
seems to be a non terrestrial artifact
that is falling down from space, be

597
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:25.119
it you believe a satellite, a
piece or whatever, or a photograph that

598
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:31.239
is really significant you actually they're passing
this law that you are by law directed

599
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:37.880
to actually turn it into it to
the government that passes it through the Defense

600
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.239
Department. They want every last just
like your cell phone. They want to

601
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.920
know every little move that and Robert
are doing. Every day, not that

602
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:50.599
we're that important, but they want
to know everything that is going on because

603
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:55.519
we are headed towards some kind of
disclosure is unfolding kind of each and every

604
00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:00.960
day, But then they're waiting for
this sort of pinnacle moment where it's undeniable

605
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.840
and then how we are we mentally
going to make that sh Do you think

606
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:10.920
that this is going to be a
forced event? In other words, I

607
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:17.199
don't ever expect to hear from our
government that there's gonna there's evidence of aliens.

608
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:22.519
I think that and I and I
kind of agree with you that we're

609
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:29.079
primitive and we shoot first and ask
questions later, which is a huge problem.

610
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:37.719
And we're not very bright military industrial
complex, as Eisenhower mentioned it as

611
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:45.039
fully effect, we were spending tens
of well hundreds of billions every year on

612
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:52.000
weaponry and new equipment to blow people
away. So we're not very we're not

613
00:55:52.119 --> 00:56:00.000
very friendly to ets. But your
belief that we're coming to a maze,

614
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:05.320
you're a disclosure where it's like,
hey, we're not the only ones here.

615
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:09.719
We want you to know that you're
part of a collective of planets and

616
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:16.440
you're not alone. What do you
say to that? I think disclosure is

617
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:25.199
an ongoing momentary experience by every individual
who's interested in the subject. It's something

618
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:30.360
that is happening daily in many forms, with sightings that seem to be increasing

619
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.119
in the graphs. The look at
the data from people like Moufon and other

620
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:38.360
organizations, they trace this graph that
seems to be us ending in the way

621
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:44.719
of visual sightings, some sort of
recording or what have you. But you

622
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.440
also have, you know, you
have the side aspect, which is like

623
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:53.559
motion pictures, movies, youtubes,
documentaries all piling up. And I think

624
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:59.239
it appears to me that all of
this seems to be this ongoing momentum just

625
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.519
to get you used to the idea. It feels like it's more of a

626
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.360
conscious catch up to those you know, are we going to be ready?

627
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:12.960
Because every incredible idea that has come
along, you look at the old days,

628
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:19.320
like when we saw the movie Oppenheimer
last year, fantastic picture based on

629
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.960
the book American Prometheus, which is
really a moral tale about how we come

630
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:28.039
into the atomic age and new age
of energy, and it seemed like the

631
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:32.719
ideas were incredible, and there was
conjecture and arguments, and Einstein wanted to

632
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:37.840
meet up and hire himself. That's
a perfect example of how we catch up

633
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:43.760
to a new idea, new science
that is birthing us into a larger expression.

634
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.920
So I think ET is here slowly
moving into our experience, be it

635
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:54.960
an apparition in your bedroom right on
up to a physical sighting in the distance,

636
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:01.159
to get you used to the idea
over decade aid so we can grow

637
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:06.280
into it. And then comes the
ideas well, what happens if we do

638
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.920
have potentially and this part is really
studied. Actually, you'd have to ask

639
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:14.639
Danny about this because he's the guy
that I I mean, he's my teacher,

640
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:15.400
you know, so he's the guy
to tell you about this. But

641
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:21.679
what happens at the point if a
detonation of an atomic detonation at this point

642
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:27.559
does go off and potentially jeopardize even
a chain reaction, is that the day

643
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:31.119
of disclosure? Is there actually an
intervention? Is it even what the Bible

644
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:37.519
talks about about the day of reckoning? Or a second colming of some kind,

645
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:43.800
or an intervention that seems a non
evasive that says something in the unseen

646
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:51.039
happened that saved us today. There's
many theories about that. Because my theory

647
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:54.360
is that et has a vested interest
in this experience at a very deep and

648
00:58:54.440 --> 00:59:00.440
profound level. And while we have
souls running around that deny it, UFOs

649
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.639
even exist and don't give it any
thought. Then there's scholars at the other

650
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:09.119
end that give theories of how this
will play out, and like your show

651
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:14.000
supports that very platform, which is
a great for all. But I want

652
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.000
to get your opinion, Robert,
because was it a couple of years ago

653
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:27.400
the Department Offense went and collected a
bunch of theologians, priests and rabbis and

654
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:32.519
ministers and ask their I mean and
why they ask them rather than social media

655
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:38.199
heads of state or heads of companies. What they thought would be the reaction

656
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:47.360
of people's realization that we are not
alone, or the first contact scenario where

657
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:52.280
an alien race comes and says,
hey, we're here, welcome to the

658
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.679
collective of planets, so forth and
so on. Why they And they did

659
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:06.039
this back in the nineteen sixty with
a report on the reaction of the United

660
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:10.000
States citizens, and that report said
that we would freak out, we would

661
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:16.480
commit suicide. But why don't they
ask social media? This is the biggest

662
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:22.800
phenomenon in the entire planet. Well, I mean if they were to ask

663
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.199
those people, I think they'd have
a different reaction. So anyhow, I'm

664
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:31.840
curious about your feeling on asking people
of religion rather than others, what their

665
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:37.960
opinion is of our first contact.
Well, they're an important demographic to our

666
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:42.000
experience. And they and you know, the higher ups the Pentagon and everything

667
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.360
they you know, or television networks, what have you. Know that that's

668
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:50.679
a that's a large demographic. Whether
they're attending you know, more of a

669
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:55.199
clergy that is Catholic based, or
whether they're born again or or what have

670
01:00:55.360 --> 01:01:00.239
you, and or secular churches,
what have you. That's a community that

671
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:07.159
is seeking a divine answer. And
so they're there there. They seem a

672
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.320
lot of people seem like, well
this is the go to people. I

673
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:14.960
went through that. I would still
even sit down with the clergy if I

674
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:19.679
had a chance from the archdiocese,
popular or not popular, I would ask

675
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:25.039
them what do you feel about this
curiosity? You know, are they in

676
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:32.400
on it since you are reaching out
to this divineness in in in the cosmos

677
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:40.599
or what have you. The Rishi's
the renussance in the Vadic aspect spend time

678
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:46.519
in quietude and try to still their
mind, to tap into the divine intelligence

679
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:52.039
and see what comes through. It's
always, isn't it always those kind of

680
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.480
people that feel like they should have
an answer. But at the end of

681
01:01:55.519 --> 01:02:02.400
the day, some of the best
answers are probably found by the masters of

682
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:10.280
those very powerful telescopes that are witnessing
physical activity that's tangible and that in itself.

683
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:14.960
You know, a theory is one
thing, but a physical I'm sure

684
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:19.280
there's stuff out there that the Pentagon
says, if you photographed this, that

685
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:23.159
goes to us and not too and
that's part of what the laws are that

686
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:30.679
are being written within the Defense Department. I unfortunately have to say that our

687
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:37.039
military and our government is backwards.
We follow the doctrines of the Brookies Institute

688
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:43.760
document, which is this document that
was requisitioned in nineteen sixty that basically says,

689
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:45.599
if we are contacted, we're not
going to be able to deal with

690
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:51.480
it. And I think that when
you get eight people like doctor av Low

691
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:55.159
for Harvard, who is brilliant,
who's looking at probes, who believes we

692
01:02:55.199 --> 01:03:01.199
are being observed on a regular basis, and is looking for evidence of probes,

693
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:07.159
that's somebody who is opening the door, not trying to hide the fact

694
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:14.679
that we're being observed by Some people
believe that the observers are what we would

695
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:20.119
consider anthropologists. Look, you know
the human species. You must have heard

696
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:24.480
about that. But my whole thing, Robert, is that I'm frankly tired

697
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:37.440
of this backward militaristic attitude of these
off worlds coming here and coming more frequently

698
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:43.920
to not only observe, but to
the land and in your case, interact.

699
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.159
And that's why I'm talking to you
about this, because I have this

700
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:54.360
feeling that on some level you were
given this gift that a lot of us

701
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:59.079
just would think we would like,
but maybe it's not something we want to

702
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:03.440
to have because you were able to
deal with it. And there's subtleties that

703
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:08.840
are coming out in your work,
in your writing, in your interactions with

704
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:15.719
people that are planting the seed.
So you're kind of an emissary in a

705
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:21.480
way of planting the seed for future
interactions with alien beans. What do you

706
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:27.559
say to that? Well, there
used to be jokes in the old days

707
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:29.360
that said, all right, what
are you exact? There? Are you

708
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:33.760
some kind of intergalactic Tony Robbins here
well, are you the personal growth emissary

709
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:40.480
you know that says that actually this
is a spiritual experience and some kind of

710
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.360
personal growth experience and everything. And
I said, yeah, actually all of

711
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:48.199
the above. I think we're just
the souls that we are here developing in

712
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:56.239
a very harsh, almost devil like
paradigm. It just seems that it's been

713
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.880
one thing after the next of being
at the hands of you know, people

714
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:04.840
that have brought us terrible wars and
pandemics and things like that. But how

715
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:12.599
we move through that is we rise
up the daily commitment of you know,

716
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.360
you make a commitment to yourself to
grow spiritually, to think about and consider

717
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:20.800
things, to have a very open
mind that the population is evolving daily in

718
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:27.239
ways we never dreamed possible, and
as being open to the possibility every day

719
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:34.840
for an experience like that, and
it's we're kingship kind of like the extent.

720
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:40.840
If you think about it, we're
actually the population that's here now today

721
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:45.159
is actually what's left if you think
about the entire incoming souls that have happened

722
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:50.800
since recorded history. We're this group
that is here that it is going.

723
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:56.760
We're experiencing the aging process. We're
experiencing a sense of time, going around

724
01:05:56.800 --> 01:06:01.119
the sun each day, an aging
process, and an entry in an exit

725
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:05.199
level. While the others on the
other side, including your parents, my

726
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:10.440
parents, other lost souls, are
not lost souls, but souls that have

727
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:15.880
finished their incarnation. They're standing in
the perpetual moment. They're standing in the

728
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.400
existence of the absolute, which is
where we reside most of the time,

729
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:25.639
and then there's an interim time where
we're given a time to grow in this

730
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.719
paradigm. No matter how unusual and
believing you know wells I know, it

731
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:34.840
is unusue here. You don't have
to look far hard to see this is

732
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:41.400
a very strange place. But at
the same time we grow profoundly. It

733
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:45.519
is by soul's agreement that we're here. It's not a happenstance. And each

734
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:50.559
person, no matter what their circumstances
are, is it is absolutely designed for

735
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:55.320
them, even though it may not
be very pleasant, and others seem to

736
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:58.840
have gotten a better deal, more
comforting area and family to live in.

737
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.559
It's by design. In the meantime, all the visitors that you've talked about,

738
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:08.800
or in my presentation called the visitors, are are coming from you know,

739
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:15.000
the ades aspect. They're coming from
the serious a serious b probably how

740
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.239
do we know that, Robert,
are you kind of referring to people who

741
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:26.079
have actually had enough interaction with the
uh connected, the the ets that for

742
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.000
them to identify where they're coming from. I think at the end of the

743
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:31.519
day, I couldn't say, perhaps
with suret, but it seems like there's

744
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:38.000
a sure a lot of authors that
that study this aspect and have significant stories

745
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:44.519
that that seemed to be like I've
seen a few people give a presentation as

746
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:49.000
We've been many lectures and expos I
said, seen you for years we conduct

747
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:54.280
in the desert or used to be
the Bay Area UNFO Expo or or what

748
01:07:54.519 --> 01:08:00.639
have you you know and conspiracy connor
remember those you know so new living XP

749
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:09.360
Whole Life expo. But you see
people giving a presentation where I was captivated

750
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:14.719
by the Some of these presentations seem
to be almost more not not not necessarily

751
01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:20.560
an explanation uh uh that has been
just gathered by research, but almost giving

752
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:26.079
a treatise on the human experience as
they see it. And I've seen people

753
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:31.399
go into a very deep trance where
they give this dissertation. People are fascinated

754
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:36.920
by people like Bashar and others that
oh, yeah, channel material treatise and

755
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:42.840
that's very subjective. Yeah, you
know that that is very dangerous and subjective.

756
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:46.640
However, it's what's It's one of
the things we have to go on.

757
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:51.359
And I tend to think that a
lot of it is is accurate.

758
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:56.680
Whether it's embellished or not, no
one's to say. But but the Bible

759
01:08:56.760 --> 01:09:01.760
does say that, you know,
it makes references. Most of the references

760
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:08.800
of us that come and go and
come back again have been altered. But

761
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:13.840
you find that actually in the Lost
Books of job about the continuing I mean

762
01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:16.319
when they said that life is eternal, that meant it, and that doesn't

763
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.880
mean you just come here then go
to the other side and live eternally.

764
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:27.159
You know, you're cycling, is
what you are. And yeah, it's

765
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:30.920
quite a fascinating subject. So let's
kind of I want to talk about your

766
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.920
near death experience in Egypt, but
before I do that, I want you

767
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:40.960
to give me a sense of how
this et interaction is going to play out.

768
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:45.640
Say, in the next decade,
do you think that there is going

769
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:54.079
to be a moment where there is
such a major sighting, say a shift

770
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:58.960
shift is hovering over a major site
or I mean, because this is going

771
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:03.640
on right now, but I mean
I'm talking more beyond simple observations. I'm

772
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:12.479
talking about some form of communications,
because that's where it's undeniable. You know,

773
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:17.199
our current government's pretty much doing the
best they can to keep this under

774
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:21.680
wraps. And it's always been my
thought that at some point, you know,

775
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:27.000
a race of beings that's a thousand, five thousand, half a million

776
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:30.159
years in advance of us, it's
going to say we've had enough. We're

777
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:33.239
gonna just let them know what we're
We're here, But what do you say

778
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:44.199
about the future next ten years?
In terms of disclosure, I think it's

779
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.840
less than ten years that the ten
yere theory is is you do you believe

780
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:53.039
it's within or on the other side
of ten years? I think, And

781
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:59.359
no one knows completely. You know, on our call on Wednesday night that

782
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:06.279
very theory is discussed, and there's
a number of people that are meeting that

783
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:12.159
are discussing the fact they believe the
theory that that there is already a direct

784
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.279
voice that is coming from the other
side, and that it has spoke to

785
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:23.439
people in various governments. Now that
is the most fantastic thing. And I'd

786
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:27.199
be remiss to say I know who
these ones are, who these people are,

787
01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:33.159
and what and when the direct happening
happened. But that is being that

788
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:39.319
is being said that there is a
direct contact so far, and that we

789
01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:46.720
are coming close, we're at an
apex, you know, of going forward

790
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:51.439
or stepping from behind. And the
whole idea of is there an intervention,

791
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:56.720
should there be some kind of chain
reaction here seems to be one of the

792
01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:01.640
top subjects of that disclosure, and
it's we're living in a free will zone.

793
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:04.159
So we don't know what Putin's going
to do, Glad with Putin,

794
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:10.079
we don't know what a person Airton
Will is going to do, or Yahoo

795
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:15.319
for our own government is going to
do. It's an open it's an open

796
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.119
question. I mean, I would
love to give you. I mean,

797
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:23.960
all the interactions you have with the
UFO community, Robert, is there somebody

798
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:29.600
that is kind of like locked in
saying yeah, they're about to release data.

799
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:32.920
There is going to be a major
unveiling because I mean, I hear,

800
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.960
I got so tired of it after
being a program director for so many

801
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:45.640
years of they're coming, They're coming, They're coming. Decade after decade.

802
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:48.840
That's why I kind of threw it
out the window and say, you know

803
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:53.199
what I tell you, Land your
craft and come out and say, hey,

804
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:59.880
we're here. I don't I don't
want to hear it. The Entry,

805
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:06.399
it's got to look so benevolent.
I believe the entry is a miraculous

806
01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:12.279
spiritual happening of sometime of some kind, because it has the entry of it

807
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:16.680
has to make us feel as though
it is safe. The sad part is

808
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:21.640
is for years and years and years
we've been conditioned by motion pictures and movies

809
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:29.520
which are so violent that only foretell
a story of the extraterrestrials coming down that

810
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:35.119
only want you on a dinner plate
and a negative story and you know slaves

811
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:40.239
you will become, and all this. I don't know it to be.

812
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:46.039
It has to be a safe thing, and it may happen very subtly.

813
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:53.319
Actually, it may be allowing us
to, like we do with various stories

814
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:57.399
that come our way, allowing us
years to get used to the idea and

815
01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:00.000
believe it with a lot of conjecture. And is we're seem to be in

816
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:03.560
that period now and have been for
years. As to do you believe that

817
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.000
this is really happening, and the
very question that you asked, you know

818
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:13.760
about the moment that disclosure happens.
Do you believe that that's going to happen,

819
01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.600
and that that's a long discussion at
all these things? You know.

820
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:23.079
This is why I have a problem
with asking theologians, religious types about their

821
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:29.359
opinion, because when this disclosure happens, we as a as a humanity,

822
01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:34.640
as an earth based civilization, we
change immediately. We change immediately. We're

823
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:39.279
not the only ones on our planet. We're not the only ones in our

824
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:43.479
cosmos. I mean, when you
when you think about that, Robert,

825
01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:46.039
if you are the if you're thinking
you're only ones and you only have to

826
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:54.079
deal with our problems and our planet, that's pretty limiting. If you're become

827
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:59.399
aware that you're not the only ones
in your cosmos, you're changed. And

828
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:04.079
I think that's the big question is
what is the what are the roles of

829
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:12.600
humanity when we are contacted and it's
disclosed that we're not the only beings in

830
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:18.119
our planetary system. I think it
is hugely profound, And I think that

831
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:23.279
some part of me thinks that the
military knows this and they're not They're not

832
01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:29.039
sure how to react. So they're
covering it up. Baby, they're covering

833
01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:33.039
it up. It's the greatest story
ever told, and it's the greatest misunderstood,

834
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:38.560
misunderstood story ever told. So many
people feeding into this story. I

835
01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:42.159
know we've I wouldn't mention any names, but you know, because I tend

836
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.600
to be the kind and more out
of the way than get him to the

837
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:47.760
conjecture. But we have a number
of authors that are out there that are

838
01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:50.319
basically jumping to the gun and saying, well, this is the way it's

839
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:54.399
going to happen, and this is
what my people are telling me, and

840
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:59.760
we have direct contact and so,
and it's sensationalism. And you and I

841
01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.039
know that a lot of those stories, when they say there's a date,

842
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:06.439
there's a place, this is how
it's going to play out, it never

843
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:13.119
does. And so the our members
that are visiting here have control over how

844
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.920
this is playing out, are probably
looking the collective consciousness as a species,

845
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:23.840
yeah, and perhaps deciding at some
point where there's an entry point where it

846
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:31.439
won't be misunderstood. Because an extraterrestrial
introduction could be misunderstood as an advanced weapon

847
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:36.000
from a foreign ads. That's the
worst that's that's that's how our that's how

848
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:42.800
our military thinks. Uh, you
know, there's a weapon to subject us,

849
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:46.600
to annihilate us, to imprison us. You know, this is such

850
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:51.640
bullshit I'm really tired of. It's
so funny because I years ago when I

851
01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:56.039
started doing podcasting now, I wanted
to do a podcast called Talk to an

852
01:16:56.079 --> 01:17:00.000
Alien. And I was naively thinking
that if I broadcast, asked the idea

853
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:03.760
and let people know that if you're
out there, because there's a lot of

854
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:11.920
theory that there's a white race of
aliens and there's other races here on the

855
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:15.399
planet that looked just like us,
if they were to step forward, you

856
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:19.600
know, flandestinely not hidden, you
know, and say yeah, I'd love

857
01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:25.560
to interview with you, I was
like, Ah, what a great podcast

858
01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:28.880
that would be. That would be
kind of like first Disclosure. Now.

859
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:34.520
I almost stepped into it by inviting
people who channel like Bashar you mentioned earlier,

860
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:42.960
who channels et and et race.
But channeling is so is a challenge

861
01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:47.279
for me because when the information is
coming through a human being, there's the

862
01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:54.520
possibilities of ego being involved in other
the person's consciousness being part of that,

863
01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:59.000
and so I kind of wanted to
stay clear of it. But that's where

864
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.079
I'm at, Robert. I'm I'm
like, come on down, folks.

865
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:08.199
I think it's healthy. I think
it's healthy. You know, be skeptical.

866
01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:13.640
Yeah. Hey, as we conclude, I want you to talk about

867
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:17.520
an event that happened to you in
nineteen ninety seven. You were in Egypt

868
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:21.520
and I don't know if you were
in the Great Pyramid or you were in

869
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:25.319
a building or a temple, and
you had a near death experience. Talk

870
01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:30.880
about that, yeah, real quickly. So I was on I was one

871
01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:35.399
of the unlucky souls that were there
was fifty of us on a boat in

872
01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:40.720
Luxor. Oh, you're on the
Nile. Wonderful. I was actually on

873
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:44.760
the Nile in nineteen ninety seven,
and Tricia mccannon actually was going to be

874
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:47.000
on that trip, but she got
ill and didn't make the trip. And

875
01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:51.159
something the guy looked at me like, well, you'll be one of the

876
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:56.359
speakers on it. And that was
terrible because I didn't know anything about Egypt.

877
01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:00.680
I was writing the first book and
going to be looking at what this

878
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.680
was about. But anyway, we
got forty out of forty seven out of

879
01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:09.880
fifty I got violently ill. Oh, food poisoning. And then the trip

880
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.239
was just starting. We were only
in our third day of a fourteen day

881
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:17.239
trip. And I mean, I
don't think I have ever in my lifetime

882
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:20.680
gotten that sick. I didn't know
people could get that sick. Was it

883
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:27.479
food from the now cruise ship or
was it the hotel food? Well,

884
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.720
it would be lovely if it was
a cruise ship, but it was a

885
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:36.439
small boat that would cherry probably about
sixty five seventy people, and there were

886
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:42.399
fiftieth on it on it, so
forty seven out of us got violently ill.

887
01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:46.159
And then we went through the trip
and everything that is bad that can

888
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:53.359
happen on a wonderful Egypt trip like
this happened. We were all throwing up

889
01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:58.119
and getting violently ill. We got
stuck in the desert for about two days,

890
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:02.479
and that turned everybody yelling that they
wanted their money back and what was

891
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:08.159
this? And everybody was at a
different place as far as were they able

892
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:12.439
to recover and a degree of sickness, and oddly enough, I was not

893
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:15.960
recovering. And we got all the
way to the end of the trip,

894
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:23.199
and I remember being at the balcony
in Giza, and I looked at the

895
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:27.039
pyramid, and this is the last
day. The following day we were to

896
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:31.520
get on an airplane on a egypt
Bear to London that would take us to

897
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:40.000
New York. And I remember looking
at this the pyramid and thinking, God,

898
01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:45.039
I traveled nine thousand miles and I
felt five hundred yards short. I

899
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:49.159
was too sick to go into the
pyramid on the last day. Well,

900
01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:53.560
suffice to say, I did make
my way up into what they call the

901
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:59.359
King's chamber, took photos, came
back, and then a doctor finally got

902
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.000
to us, finally, and he
came to my room and I was alone.

903
01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:05.239
I had a roommate the whole trip, but he was out, and

904
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:10.239
the doctor told me I was to
turn myself into a hospital, that I

905
01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:13.960
was not well enough to get on
the plane. I was ripped with fear

906
01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:18.359
because I can't get on the plane
and I'm not gonna be stuck in Egypt

907
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:21.840
when everybody else leaves. I had
this terrified feeling of, you know,

908
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:26.359
I'll get stuck in the hospital and
then I won't be able to get out

909
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:29.319
of the country. And so he
said, well, then I'm going to

910
01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:31.239
give you this that'll help you,
and believe it or not, I took

911
01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:34.880
an injection. It gave me both. That immediately gave me an injection of

912
01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:39.720
something. To this day, I
don't know now that's unheard of now,

913
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:42.439
but I accepted it at the time. He says, this will help you,

914
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:49.159
and I took an injection. That
night, I came completely out of

915
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:59.600
my body and suddenly I was just
sort of I remember realizing I was sort

916
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:04.159
of a part article point out in
space looking at the Earth, and my

917
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:08.399
thoughts were the same. I was
me, but it was only just a

918
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:14.520
personality trying to find an anchor for
itself. And I wasn't unpleasant. It

919
01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:17.039
was pretty pleasant. As a matter
of fact, my pain was finally gone.

920
01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:26.960
Long story short, I arrived there
on site at some kind of stream,

921
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.000
and I noticed my feet were in
the stream and I was physical again.

922
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:33.439
And I looked up and there was
a man, a man waiting for

923
01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:40.239
me, and he held up two
things that came off of his hands and

924
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:44.119
they almost looked. I know,
it sounds so funny. It looked like

925
01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:47.439
tablets of some kind. You know, people are thinking it was Moses.

926
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:54.279
No, it probably wasn't. Most's
but better story and the tablets. When

927
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:58.319
these letters came out. These letters
came out, they turned the fire and

928
01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:00.359
they spoke to me, and it
showed me like a life record. And

929
01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:05.039
I looked at these and I saw
good news. The first good news was

930
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:09.920
I could I could live with myself, and that was sort of a moment.

931
01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:13.760
I remember thinking, Oh my gosh, now that that's that is the

932
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:17.199
apex. That's the moment, whether
you can live with yourself or not.

933
01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:21.319
This is that moment. And there
was good news. And then there was

934
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:25.880
the news of the things I needed
to work on, and that was so

935
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:30.000
great. Long story short, I
went to this area to live in and

936
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:35.000
everyone there that I saw, I
knew were souls that had passed away.

937
01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:42.600
And I asked where I was,
and I was told that I was just

938
01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:46.920
here, that I wouldn't understand exactly
where I was, and supprised because we're

939
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:50.960
getting the end of your show to
and to speed us up. It's like

940
01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:55.880
a waystation of some kind that souls
don't necessarily just go all the way to

941
01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:00.520
their waiting destination. Some come to
a midwak a point of some kind,

942
01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:08.920
and there are there's an interim where
they are there to learn something and then

943
01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:13.319
they maybe go on to their final
destination, or actually they will be set

944
01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:18.199
back. And I remember being there
and it was very pleasant, and I

945
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:21.640
saw many people just like us.
I knew they had all passed away.

946
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:26.840
I didn't know them as material anymore. I said, oh, I remembered

947
01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:29.920
this, even in fact, there
was a memory that I understand this completely

948
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.600
now. I was surprised by my
death. I was surprised that it happened

949
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:39.840
at that point in my mind.
And then I came back into my body

950
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:45.199
and I slammed into my body as
almost like a train hit you. And

951
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:50.960
then suddenly I was in extraordinary pain. I was to be blunted coming out

952
01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:56.399
of both ends, and I still
was great, kind of a great creak.

953
01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.239
I was very sick, and I
was sobbing in control because my life

954
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:05.319
had been given back, and it
was decided that I should continue. And

955
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:10.840
I was thrilled, beyond emotion that
I was going to go home that day,

956
01:25:11.359 --> 01:25:17.079
but also overwhelmed by what I had
seen. And I remember getting out

957
01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:23.119
of bed, shaking my roommate awake
time to get up that I had seen

958
01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:28.000
it. The it that thing that
you're waiting to go to, the thing

959
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:30.800
that you go to when you're done
in your life. Is that I saw

960
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:34.439
it, and I understood now that
some of it came back with me.

961
01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:39.960
I understood now what that sort of
process was to a degree, and the

962
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:43.560
gift of life was given back.
And as I shook him, he rolled

963
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:47.039
over to see what is this crazy
man? What is what's happening here?

964
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:50.840
I said, I was solving uncontrollably, And I said, Colin, Colin,

965
01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:56.239
I saw it. I saw the
whole thing, and and and and

966
01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:58.880
they gave me another chance. I'm
going to get to live. I'm going

967
01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:02.319
to live. You must have sounded
delirious, And that sounds delirious, right.

968
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:06.279
And he looks up at me with
one eye open, and just it

969
01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:13.560
was like the fantastic meets the mundane. And he looks something one I remember

970
01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:16.159
when I kind of loo and he
just goes, that's great and just rolls

971
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:24.359
so very good. He's probably heard
it before. I have been enough set

972
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:28.439
free and uh and I live to
tell it and be on your show today.

973
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:32.319
But do you think that that injection
did something to trip this near death

974
01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:36.520
experience or do you think just the
combination of being so ill with food poisoning

975
01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:42.520
was the reason it could have been
both. I don't know how many people

976
01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:45.359
you meet that said I was in
a foreign country and a guy put an

977
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:49.239
injection. I mean, if you're
desperate enough and you're in enough pain.

978
01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:54.159
And this guy looked pretty legitimate,
and and and he says, you need

979
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:59.439
this very badly. And I thought, dude, but I'm gonna trust that

980
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:02.119
you're not here to kill me.
I'm not that interesting. I thought it

981
01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:05.479
might be like a some fluids or
something. Because you're, you know,

982
01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:10.520
sick, you're vomiting all over the
place. You can get dehydrated, Yeah,

983
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:15.159
plasma, some kind of liquid or
something, an IV. I should

984
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:16.399
have gone to the hospital. That's
probably all they were going to do,

985
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:23.279
was put in you know, the
IV bag with yeah saline. Yeah,

986
01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:26.680
that's probably all that was going to
happen. But I was too sureful.

987
01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:30.600
Was that the only time you were
you've been to Egypt since, haven't you?

988
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:32.800
Or no? No? That was
the that was Oh, Robert,

989
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:38.000
what a terrible Well I should go
with you. You're the one leading these

990
01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:40.399
trips that you just did a truck, right, Yeah, we do one

991
01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:44.920
every year. We're not we're skipping
twenty twenty five, but we're going.

992
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:46.720
Well, we'll probably pick it up
again in twenty twenty six. We go

993
01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:53.199
I found a fabulous operator who knows
all the sites and stuff. Yeah yeah,

994
01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:56.079
let me know. Happy to happy
to have you come along. So,

995
01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:01.680
Robert Barrala, what a pleasure.
Give people a sense of how they

996
01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:05.479
can get a hold of you.
What's your website? I'm at the Robert

997
01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:11.680
Parella dot com. It's spelled p
e r a la comes from Finland.

998
01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:15.399
Actually, okay dot com. If
you like to order the book, the

999
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:18.479
easiest and fastest way to do it, but it's either on the website,

1000
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:23.520
but send me an email and I
generally send it out before they send in

1001
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:27.640
a payment, whether it's a check
or PayPal, I send it out.

1002
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:29.880
You know, I trust you.
I try to get the books out quickly.

1003
01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:30.920
I don't sell a lot of books
like I used to, and those

1004
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:34.600
that get them are very happy that
they got it because they're older books.

1005
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:38.399
And I'm an old guy that's been
in this business that was lucky. You

1006
01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:42.399
have to come on the Cliff Dunning
Destiny Show today, so I'm more than

1007
01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:45.760
great. Do you want to give
them your personal email or do you have

1008
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.760
a professional email that they can or
should they just go to the website and

1009
01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:53.640
get it there. You can get
it there. Okay, it's right there.

1010
01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:57.560
Okay, cool? And what are
you up to give us the latest?

1011
01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.640
You're going to be speaking anywhere in
the future. I know you used

1012
01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:05.239
to do a lot of MC but
you kind of took a little downstep for

1013
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:10.760
this year. But what's your future
looking like? Yeah? Yeah, Well

1014
01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:13.720
I have the fall in January,
so I'm still recovering so that it's only

1015
01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:15.640
one show I did, but I
am doing a show and that is coming

1016
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up in Pedaluma on It's a one
day show in Pedaluma, California, on

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01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:26.199
October twelfth. It's an all day
Saturday event and it's a smaller version of

1018
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:34.119
UFO Con and it's there at the
Pedaluma Community Center. Advertising by that I

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01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:44.560
think is available at ufocon dot com. Ufo Con twenty twenty four dot com.

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01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:49.479
I believe is Lorraine putting that one
together. Loreen Fenton produces it for

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01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:56.319
sixty five, smaller show with about
six speakers, and we'd like to have

1022
01:29:56.399 --> 01:30:00.279
you there, you know, come
on up and have some fun and promote

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01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:05.479
your podcast and good, good,
excellent. Hey, Robert, I really

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01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:09.840
appreciate you coming on the show,
and it was great speaking with you.

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01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:15.520
It's funny because I remember you writing
the Divine Blueprint and promoting it, but

1026
01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:19.960
I kind of got I think you
would let me see bits and pieces of

1027
01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:24.520
it. It was good to hear
more of the full story and get a

1028
01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:28.359
sense of it. So you are
truly you can say that you are an

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01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:33.800
experiencer. You're a contact d in
the in the most full sense of the

1030
01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:38.359
word. Yeah, thanks so much
for having me on your show. It's

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01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.239
a wonderful service that you do for
others to enlighten people, inspire people,

1032
01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:45.800
and give them another consideration. Hey, well, great to have you man.

1033
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:55.079
Thanks again. I have the photograph
that Robert sent me of this alien

1034
01:30:55.479 --> 01:31:00.479
that he says looks just like the
three spacemen he interacts with, and it

1035
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:05.319
looks like the guy's wearing a cellophane
suit of some kind. Very strange.

1036
01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:12.359
I'll post it on the Facebook page
both international and group so you can take

1037
01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:15.880
a look at it with some notes
that he wrote from the book. And

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01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:18.159
it's the same kind of deal.
It's like, we don't know if these

1039
01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:24.960
are beans that are not from the
same have the same atmosphere, so they

1040
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:30.039
got to wear a suit or these
are sub zero spacesuits that protect their body.

1041
01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:34.039
We have no clue, obviously Robert
didn't get any information about that,

1042
01:31:34.279 --> 01:31:41.279
but kind of fun to see what
they're wearing when they come visit us here

1043
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:45.880
on planet Earth. So that book, by the way, The Divine Architect,

1044
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:49.760
and also the other book, the
first book, The Divine Blueprint,

1045
01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:55.199
is available on Amazon, or you
can go to Robert Parrella dot com and

1046
01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:59.920
see what he's got on there.
So his books are readily available wherever you

1047
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:04.359
get your book. So and I
get my books on Amazon unless I get

1048
01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:11.079
I'm sent by the publisher directly.
So something to think about. Later this

1049
01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:15.199
week, we're going to be speaking
with another author on the UAP phenomenon that's

1050
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.239
going to be part of Earth Ancients, And this is a new author who

1051
01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:25.159
has taken a look at it and
taken a cross section and is a spokesperson

1052
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:30.720
kind of a thought leader on where
the future is heading when it comes to

1053
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:40.199
UAP identification. I have been trying
unsuccessfully to get Marion Rudnick to come back

1054
01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:45.439
on the show. Remember he was
the former NASA astronomer who wrote the book

1055
01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:51.680
Intersect, which has a lot to
do with current sightings and what appears to

1056
01:32:51.720 --> 01:33:00.439
be the willingness of the craft occupants
who are flying these ships to to slow

1057
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:05.520
down remove energy fields so people can
take better photographs. If you don't have

1058
01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:10.880
a copy of Intersect, it's called
Intersect. A former NASA astronomer breaks his

1059
01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:14.920
silence about UFOs. You should get
a copy of it, because in the

1060
01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:24.079
back of this book are phenomenal images
of ships and different size UAPs that are

1061
01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:29.520
so clear and not necessarily so clear, but you can see the insignias,

1062
01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:32.600
which is really weird. It's like
they all have, you know, each

1063
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:39.600
plant has different insignias, and get
a sense of what's going on with him,

1064
01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:44.399
and get a sense of what's happening. His phenomenon had a couple of

1065
01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:48.600
happened a couple of years ago,
so he's not currently you know, twenty

1066
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:53.479
twenty four material, but this is
the kind of material we need to be

1067
01:33:53.520 --> 01:34:00.279
able to think about what's happening in
this phenomenon. So yeah, Marion Rudnick

1068
01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:05.600
is a great has a good book
to consider. So so we'll continue to

1069
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:13.600
hope and wait for the disclosure,
and at some point, you know,

1070
01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.520
there'll be a breakthrough. I think
it's coming. I don't want to think

1071
01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:18.720
too much about it. But as
Robert says, he thinks it's going to

1072
01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:21.279
be I mean, what did he
say. He said, it's going to

1073
01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:28.560
happen before the next decade, So
you know, we'll see you how stonent

1074
01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:31.960
it shows up. That's what I'm
saying. Hey, if you like Earth

1075
01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:39.159
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1084
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1085
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1086
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1087
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1088
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Ancients. Okay, that's it for this

1091
01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:00.319
program. I want to think My
guest today, Robert Prola, coming to

1092
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:04.319
us from Santa se California. As
always, the team of Gail Tour,

1093
01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:12.720
Mark Foster and everyone who makes this
thing happen. You guys are rock all

1094
01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:15.800
right, take care of you well, and we will talk to you next time.