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Weird things happened in the weird weird
Wow. All right, welcome back.

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We have a we have a special
guest with us tonight, UM very one

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of the highest requested guests on Bloods
have said. So we have Amy Westmoreland

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from Illuminating Joy for those who high
for those who have heard UM the most

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recent episode with my sister Emily Bloods
of Holloway, and we went into this

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long story about her UM experience at
the Monroe Institute. This is the famed

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Amy who was my sister's roommate.
And you know, next thing you know,

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Emily's introducing me to Amy because I
was like, I got a meet,

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I got a meeter. Start watching
our YouTube videos. They are just

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so incredibly in depth about manifestation,
which I'm very excited to get into today.

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And we got a dialogue going,
and next thing you know, here

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we are, so Amy, is
there anything before we get into just general

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conversation? Is there anything that you
would like to go ahead and plug for

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people to find you after the fact. Yeah. If you want to know

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all things about manifesting, you can
find me on Instagram, where I post

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some manifesting stuff, but it's mostly
to showcase how I live my life kind

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of like a manifesting lifestyle, and
that's illuminating joy same name on YouTube,

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which is where my videos are,
and there's often step by step instructions,

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and then if you sign up for
my email list, which you can find

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through my Instagram profile, you'll actually
get a free copy of my how to

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Manifest Money pdf, where is a
technique that anyone can use right now and

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you can get a result usually in
about a week. Let's go. Yeah,

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honestly that that that's really cool.
So I have actually been rousing through

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your Instagram occasionally because, like I
said, you know, after Emmy went

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to the Monroe Institute, she had
shown me your content. Your instagram is,

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aside from all the wonderful manifestation content, your instagram is so esthetically pleasing.

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Oh yeah, it is very well
manicured. I really enjoy looking at

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it. And I'm scrolling down your
page and next thing I know, You're

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you're just like photo after photo after
photo hanging out with all of these A

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list celebrities, and I'm like,
Emily, You've got to introduce me to

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her. You've got to introduce me
to her. So what I've been wanting

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to ask is like, at what
point in your life or or you could

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say when or how how how did
you get into menifestation officially? So I

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was very lucky my parents sort of
knew about it when I was growing up,

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so it was they didn't call it
manifesting. They were like, you,

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if you put your mind to it, you can you know, achieve

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anything you want to achieve. But
the fundamentals of what they told me were

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basically the manifesting fundamentals. And they
only used it for like money, They

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didn't use it for anything else.
And so they had all these books around,

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like they had some Tony Robbin's books
which he's sort of like into manifesting

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a little bit, and some other
things like that, and yeah, and

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I just started picking them up as
a teenager and I was reading them and

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I'm like, why don't we apply
this to other stuff? So you know,

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doing it that way. But then, you know, as a teenager,

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I kind of got away from it
for a while, got back into

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it in college. I tracked it
in some journals and I was like,

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this is really this real stuff really
works. And then I just kind of

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like have been all in ever since. So around the time you were in

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college, you had been experimenting with
manifestation and getting results, and that's when

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kind of like the momentum started.
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was it was so weird, like
I couldn't talk to anybody about it.

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Like now manifesting is a very popular, it's like more and more people are

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finding but back then, I was
like, I can't tell anybody what I'm

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doing. I think about the journal
after journal I still have them of like

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I would write something that I wanted, it would happen like three or four

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days later, or two or three
weeks later, sometimes a month later,

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and I would go back with my
highlighter and I'm like, oh my gosh,

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like what is happening here? So
is that the couple of videos that

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I watched, I say a couple, It was probably like five today.

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There were these really cool like drawing
exercises that you were doing. It was

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also a lot of writing manifestations.
Is that is that the means of manifestation

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that you find to be like the
most potent or is it just the one

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that connect with you the most.
There's a great question. So the name

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of the game and manifesting is being
able to focus on having what you want,

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not wanting what you want, but
having it. That sounds really really

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simple, but it's actually trickier in
some cases for some people because they've never

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thought of it that way before,
so they immediately default to I want it,

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I don't have it. Sure,
a lot of my writing techniques are

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actually to help people get clear before
they do focusing, so you can you

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can do focusing as scripting, which
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you have it. That's one way. I'm a visualizer, so I will

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write my stuff out and then close
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Oh wow, okay, I haven't
heard of that, so it's really

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cool. Is like the mechanism behind
at least in my understanding. I could

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be totally wrong here, but the
mechanism behind manifestation? Would you say it's

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like belief? Basically? Is it
belief? Yes? And no? This

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is where manifesting is its own um
like black hole of information like you just

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got into it and so yes.
So the way, I was just telling

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a client about this the other day, actually, she was like, is

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it belief or is it focused?
And I'm like, your belief is the

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limitation of what you can focus on. We have a difficult time focusing beyond

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our beliefs. Yeah, that's profound, and so your beliefs are like the

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container. But there's a loophole which
I teach, which is how to focus

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outside of your belief which is very
simple. Are you guys ready for this?

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Oh? Yeah, let's go.
You don't have to believe it,

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that's it. Like, yeah,
okay, I saw that in your video.

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It was like one of your main
yes videos on your channel about manifesting.

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It was like how to one oh
one or something like that. And

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I heard you say that, and
I was like, you know, that's

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really encouraging because I'm sitting here daily
like doing the affirmations and doing everything I

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can to like force myself to believe
and being positive. But if you're saying

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you don't even have to believe it, you know, I that's really encouraging.

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Yeah, I think yet, because
it like it relieves a lot of

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the pressure, right because I feel, at least speaking for myself, Like

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when I first started trying to like, you know, manifest things and do

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affirmations and stuff like that, I
almost there was like a little piece in

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the back of my mind that was
like I'm trying to convince myself of something,

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you know what I'm saying, and
so knowing like, well, you

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don't have to believe it, that
kind of makes all of that pressure go

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away because I kind of would get
hyper focused on that pressure at my brain

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would keep going back to that,
like I'm trying to convince myself of something.

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But that's super profound because it you
know, it's like you're putting the

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work in either way, you don't
have to believe. That's that's cool.

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So can I walk you guys through
something I do for most of my clients,

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Yeah, please do that. First
of all, comparison is super helpful

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when you're manifesting. It's helpful if
your mind has two ideas because then it

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can choose the better ideas. So
sometimes people they go at it as like

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I'm trying to turn this into that, and it's like, no, to

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see it as two different things,
this and that, and then you can

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just pick the one you want.
That's a whole different thing, though,

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So I'm going to walk you through
a comparison and so both of you just

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close your eyes for a second,
okay, and I want you to imagine

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you're flying like Superman, you know, with the arms out over the ocean,

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right, Yeah, and you're a
few feet over the ocean, so

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you can smell the salt water,
you can sort of feel the spray coming

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up a little bit. Just tell
me how that feels, both of you.

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It feels good. Yeah, Yeah, it's very it's very refreshing and

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like I can almost feel like a
little tingle of salt in my nose.

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Yeah. Great, that is an
ideal way to visualize, to manifest.

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Now I want you to keep that
that flight going, right, but now

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I want you to believe that you
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what happens. I just stopped visualizing. Yeah yeah, I kind of did

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too, Honestly. I was like, ah, but I can't right.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
That's the loophole. WHOA. So you're

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saying, if if I'm understanding,
if I'm really following here, it's it's

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about It's not about the belief.
It's about the focus on the visualization.

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Yeah. So, so when you
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your life, you're going to want
to have a subconscious belief for it.

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However, there's lots of ways to
get subconscious beliefs. One is repetition,

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one is through an emotional imprint.
The other way is through experiencing it.

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So what there's all these different ways
to approach manifesting. Do you want something

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that when you imagine it it's hard
to believe? Drop the belief, just

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imagine it for the joy of imagining
it. It will then manifest. Then

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you will believe it. That's another
way to get into it, and then

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it will could become consistent in your
life. That's one one way. There's

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lots of ways to Okay, so
question because I'm really this is so interesting.

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Yeah, you've got me here.
But for a skeptic listening, they're

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going to say, you know,
you can't fly like Superman. How could

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you take this and apply it to
something that you absolutely can? I just

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want I flight tickets to go indoor
skydiving? There you go, Okay,

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good point. But but you know, like for for anyone out there listening,

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like who's who's just you know,
down and out and they and they

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really could benefit from using this,
How could how could they take this and

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apply it towards something in their life
that they could actually you see what I'm

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saying, yeah, great, great
practical application. So if someone is down

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and out, what I recommend is
that they fully allow themselves to be where

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they are. They don't need to
be different. And that's the first sort

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of paradox. We're told like,
we have to be different to get what

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we want, and that's actually not
really true. But you do want a

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different perspective, and so the different
perspective. Please stop me if I'm getting

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way too nerdy about this, because
not possible, not on this show.

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Not possible. Yeah. So it's
not like you don't change you, you

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change your perspective. So the first
perspective is I have to be different.

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I can't be down. I have
to be positive, right, And the

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second perspective is I don't have to
be different. I can still get what

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I want. So it's the perspective, not you. So then you choose

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that perspective of I don't have to
be different. Now what do I want?

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I don't have to believe it?
Now what do I want? This

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is the perfect time when someone's down
and out to imagine your life the way

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that you want it. And no, it's not all going to manifest this

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week, It isn't right. But
something will start to happen that will give

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you that idea like I should keep
going with this because you'll start to see

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something manifest even if it's a little
bit of something. Right. Yeah,

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I have I have an interesting thought
towards that experiment that you just had us

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do, which I'm gonna tell everyone
to do because it genuinely blew my mind.

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Uh here, here's what I think. I'm thinking that the reason that

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the disconnect happens when you have that
thing where it's like, imagine you can

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actually fly, or imagine you can
actually have a million dollars or whatever it

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may be. You're engaging your conscious
mind and it's trying to make sense of

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things it doesn't understand. It's like, this is mystical, this is this.

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This deals with the soul. This
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your brain, your your human brain, with the all the experience of the

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parameters of you know, physics or
whatever, the laws of physics, whatever.

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Just in the case of the flying
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well, try to actually believe that
you can fly, that part kicks

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in and it cuts off the subconscious. Maybe I'm literally just blabbing out of

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my mouth right now. But and
and the subconscious is where like the magic

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happens, right am I am?
I right with that? Yeah? And

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the subconscious is it takes your information
that you give it as like your god,

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you know what I mean to you. It's true. Everything you tell

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it is true. It's just an
absorber and just from a psychology perspective,

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I you know, that's my degree
of psychology. And I got really into

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studying the mind, and like,
you know, to be honest, when

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I was fourteen years old, my
dad got hypnotized to go on the Discovery

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Channel and it blew my mind.
And as a young child, I'm like,

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how this is possible? How is
this possible? You know, I

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didn't even believe it was possible into
witnessing it and then spending all these years

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trying to figure it out, and
after reading books on hypnosis and visualization,

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Like there's real scientific merit to the
power of um using exactly what Amy just

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walked us through, like using visualization
while stimulating the five senses. Like there

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are real trials where people were sat
in a chair for six weeks, like

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not six weeks straight, but like
daily they would be tested sit in a

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chair, visualize in your mind that
you're doing x amount of repetitions with x

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weight in your gaining muscle, and
they found significant, statistically significant increases of

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muscle and strength compared to people who
actually did exercises, people who were like

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a placebo control group. And then
the visualization group, like they actually their

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body physically changed from visualization alone over
a period of time. So like there's

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something to this, there's something powerful
to visualization. And what Amy said in

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my experience, in my understanding,
is absolutely true. Or maybe it was

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you who said that initially, Nick, But like visualization from the psychology perspective

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is shown to actually stimulate the subconscious
mind. It can't distinguish if it's real

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or not. It doesn't matter,
it doesn't matter. Yeah, whatever do

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you imagine vividly, especially if you
engage those senses, um, the subconscious

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mind can't distinguish if it's actually real
in this external world or not. All

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it is happening, which is why
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breaks the it breaks like the link. That's so crazy. Yeah, And

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and I want to say that athletes
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like mainstream. They they like Olympic
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athlete, they've been using it forever
to they go out and they practice their

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sport, but then they also visualize
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the way that they play like.
It's it's well known. Um, And

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I do want to say just really
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doesn't confuse people. Um, your
beliefs are very important, but they it's

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like your beliefs and your focus are
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Either one of them can can kind
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focus can can trump a belief if
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saying. It's it's almost like strength
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a on a muscle continuum, Like
you know, having a certain level of

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strength trump's a certain level of endurance
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a similar thing, but they go
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increase one, it increases the other
kind of if that makes sense at all.

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I'm just trying to understand it.
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the more you focus on something,
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if you have a strong belief,
like these are the ones we have from

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like childhood. Those are hard harder
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much evidence of them, even though
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other belief, but because we've experienced
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kind of seems like it has more
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out of it. Those are a
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typically for the average person, but
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So this is honestly mind blowing amy
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my wheels in the mud just trying
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the whole time I've been using my
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if I'd just been, you know, enhancing my focus, I could have

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been going to step two, three, four, and five. By now,

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like I feel like i've been I
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thing. It's like, I feel
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lately and my whole life. I
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like belief was, but I think
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focus is the important thing because beliefs
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that classic debate of like what's the
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whatever, which always annoyed me because
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good, right, you know,
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dismantling my belief of belief and it's
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like my intuition knows that this is
correct. Yeah. My focus is the

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path and it's you know, I
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been known for many years by many
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wrote Power of the Subconscious Mind.
I don't know, like the thirties or

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forties or something, fifties, I
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I believe it was him that said, you know, your thoughts can impact

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your feelings. Your feelings can you
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can impact your thoughts. Your thoughts
gonna impact your beliefs. It's like everything.

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You can come at everything from both
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It's it's like it's like a tangled
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gonna wiggle the other one. Yeah, So a lot of people are like,

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go at it through belief, Well
you can go at it through focus,

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Like you know, it's it's a
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side of it. I find the
average person does better when they don't try

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to believe it because they typically this
is so funny. I've had like four

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or five different people recently be like, Amy, what I want? It

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doesn't seem very likely, And I'm
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focusing tonest something that was likely,
yeah, happened. That's a great point

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investing for the unlikely stuff, right, Okay, So let me ask you

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this. So you know, there's
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I know this because, believe it
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Despite the fact that you know,
I see all these crazy things. I

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have a brain that works a certain
way, and that way is how is

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this possible? How can I understand
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So and you're understanding, why is
it possible that human beings can do this

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and can focus on something and it's
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just magically appear in their lives over
time? Like does that make sense?

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Like? How why can we do
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Okay, yeah, so I operate
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if you will, same one energy
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so therefore so like Monroe is a
great example the Monroe's too. I've been

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to a bunch of different programs there. Each program they focus on activating a

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different frequency for your consciousness to access
different things. So in some frequencies,

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like brainwave frequencies you can access like
mediumship right to like being able to talk

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to those of crossover. Other ones
you can get your your physical energy up

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and you can become like able to
do I think they're call it like psychokinesis

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telechnesis type of stuff, right,
And another one you can do is manifesting,

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and another It's like there's all these
different things your consciousness can do.

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One different frequencies, you just like
tap into them, and so we when

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you can use your focus to get
into any one of those things, like

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you can become really psychic. You
can become any of those things because we

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all have access to it. You're
just like by focusing you go to that

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level actually called them focus levels,
right, Yeah. The ben Roe Institute

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has these tapes that they're actually called
like Focus one, Focus two. Remember

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the story I always tell about how
my wife Jenny, I'm saying my wife

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Jenny because you haven't met her,
Amy nick Is that sounds weird out of

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context. But my wife, my
wife Jenny, the first time she ever

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started seeing lights with us was actually
after we were initially sent the Monroe focused

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takes back in twenty fifteen, sixteen. She'd been listening to him and then

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boom, she starts having sightings.
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like expanded enough to be able to
have that experience. So the reason that

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you can do this is because everything
is the same one consciousness energy, even

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though it's hard for us to get
that, and everything's connected. So as

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soon as you connect to it,
like it's like a super conscious if you

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will, can start to bring it
to you through your experiences. And look,

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I have. I started manifesting in
nineteen ninety three. Deliver really so

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I have third year I was born. I was born. That's a great

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year. Yeah, um, this
year I got my driver's license. Let's

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go. Hey, for what it's
worth, you're doing wonderful, wonderful,

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And I can tell you that the
first ten years I manifested all of the

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stuff that I'm talking about. Now, I was like, what, like

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out there, yeah, it feels
that way. So that made me think

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of something, uh, because I
I, for the majority of my life

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have thought the same way that you're
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I want to know how it works
though, which is which is funny

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because when you get into this realm
of spirituality, spirituality the metaphysical, it's

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like a year not gonna get answers
yea, yeah, yeah, you ain't

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gonna get no humble exactly. And
so but you know, through doing this

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show, it's like you asked that
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was going to be, because yeah, we we talk about this on the

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show all the time, this this
kind of stuff. So it's for the

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listeners, oh yeah yeah. But
the interesting thing, the super interesting thing

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is that my brain does that sometimes
too, where it's like how but how

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does it work? And what you
are saying, Amy is doesn't matter how

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it works. You don't even have
to believe it. Focus on it first.

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The belief will come later. So
that's that's really that's like the silver

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lining of not believing or not knowing
things, you know what I mean,

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that's really powerful. It keeps coming
to me this way. It's just the

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only way that I'm like able to
understand it in a similar terminology. But

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it's like the strength endurance continuum,
Like there's studies on this scientifically about human

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anatomy. Like like, okay,
let's say you have a very high level

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of endurance. Like let's say you
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but you don't bench press weights or
anything that is going to overtime translate

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to uh levels of strength because they're
on a continuum where they're connected to each

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other or vice versa. Let's say
you have a very high level of strength,

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there's gonna be some sort of carry
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what you're describing with the focus and
belief, they're like they're like entangled and

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it's like you work on one and
it enhances the other. But to me,

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it feels like and this scenario,
focus is the strength and belief is

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the endurance. It's like we should
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had I had another Sorry this is
unrelated, but I mean it's it's sort

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of related. I had another crazy
thought when you were talking about the one

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consciousness like us all being of the
same consciousness. It's like my celium.

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Are are you familiar with like my
celium, and how it's like this fungus

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that's in like most you know,
in a lot of forage. Yeah,

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yeah, there is, there is, there is, yeah. And so

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like the trees, if there's like
a malnourished tree, it can like manifest

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nutrients from another node on this web
and and and it'll it'll redistribute nutrients throughout

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this one consciousness of trees, and
and it'll essentially manifest the things that that

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thing needs. So the way that
translates over into like us is if we

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are all consciousness, you know,
different little pieces, little nodes of consciousness,

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and everything in this realm is by
manifesting. We're kind of just pulling

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energy from different places to make that
thing appear. I don't know why that's

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the parallel that popped into my head, but I was like, that makes

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a lot of sense. I see
it very clearly like that now yeah,

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yeah above so below yeah, yeah, am, But it sounds a lot

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like as above. So hell like
that, you know, the psyche,

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the consciousness of the plant world,
the consciousness of the molecule world, the

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consciousness of the celestial But all of
these different realms of consciousness are just like

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reflections of each other, and we're
no different. You know. It's like

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not not that crazy to believe that
we operate similarly to mushroom consciousness. Yeah,

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so I would like to give your
audience a way to understand it without

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understanding it, so I can teach
really advanced manifest saying, but I also

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do a lot of beginner stuff because
I know the best teacher is your own

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personal experience. You will actually understand
it through experience. After multiple experiences,

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like, it'll become more and more
clear to you as you can like sort

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of unpack it, right, And
my favorite thing to teach people is how

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to manifest a rainbow in this guy. You might have seen this on my

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Instagram. Oh yeah, yeah I
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I missed that one, all right. So the reason everyone's like amy,

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why rainbows? Number one? Everyone
likes rainbows. Number two? Yes,

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no one's afraid of rainbows. So
you don't have like a subconscious fear of

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a rainbows showing up. Somebody does. Somebody is afraid of rainbows. Don't

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follow this advice. If you're afraid
of rainbows, right, kick something else,

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do a couple. But the other
thing is, and I love rainbows

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because when you see one in the
sky and you're manifesting one in the sky,

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not one you see as a sticker, not when you see as a

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photo, one in the actual sky
that you see, because when you see

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it shortly after you have visualized it, you will know there's no way me,

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by my little loansome self, could
have made that, Like I didn't

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make that with my hands. So
garden homes ones don't count for this for

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this either. I mean they're they're
really pretty and I love them, but

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it's like it's in they're so magnificent. So anyway, here it is.

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It's very simple. You close your
eyes I'm doing okay, okay, okay.

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Imagine that you're looking at a rainbow
in the sky, and then put

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a real smile on your face,
like a real one. Like do it,

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yep, your eyes closed, you
like cheese, even doing clothes ryan

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they are And if you want to
take a little bit further while you're visualizing

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it, you can imagine taking a
photo of it with your cell phone.

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M safely. I got like a
flash camera, the little disposable ones.

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Now open your eyes. Now,
that's it. That's enough to actually manifest

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one. I swear if I see
a rainbow tomorrow, I'm calling you Amy

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where I will call you tomorrow.
I'll say that again. I'm sorry.

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It might be a couple of days, it might be a week, it

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might be tomorrow. But like what
happens is that is enough. That focus,

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right is enough. So when it
manifests, you'll be like, holy,

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oh my god, and blue bow. That was it. That's all

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it took. Now, it's a
little trickier when we have resistance, when

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we're afraid of something right, and
so rainbows are The more you practice something

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like that, the more you're like, Okay, I know it works.

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This is how it works. I
can weather the bigger stuff that I'm trying

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to like navigate. You're navigating your
mind through it is all you're doing.

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Wow. I have a question.
How much does this depend on visualization from

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imagination? So your imagination is very
important. However, some people don't visualize,

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they're not good at it, they
don't like it, and so you

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don't need it. Yeah. The
reason I ask is that I have a

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thing called a fantasia where I can't
see things in my brain. But you

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know what's funny, when we did
the Superman thing and you mentioned smelling it,

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that like brought me there, you
know what I mean. I can't

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I can't see it, but you
said that. But right then when I

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did the Rainbow thing, it was
like nothing. I didn't even you know,

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I can't I couldn't even see it. And so I hear a lot

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with manifestation about you know, visualizing, and yeah, that just kind of

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always piqued my curiosity, like how
important is that to the process. It's

409
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:22.240
not so automatically your mind, your
subconscious mind thinks and images and feelings.

410
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:30.000
So the two main ways to get
into focusing are visualizing or feeling. People

411
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.599
who can't visualize or don't do it
or don't like it, they can script.

412
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.000
They can write it out. Their
mind will automatically form an image even

413
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:38.319
if they don't see it. It's
like kind of like in the background,

414
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:45.079
wow, automatic writing. Kind That's
how I always describe it to people.

415
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.119
Yeah, then some people don't like
writing. I don't do the writing.

416
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.720
I don't do it for the focusing. I do it to clarify what I'm

417
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.400
going to focus on. But one
of my other favorites is feeling work,

418
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.519
and so that's where you can like
be a little more meditative, right.

419
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.000
You can have your eyes open or
close and you sort of relax and you

420
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.240
just focus on the feelings that you
want to have, like feeling gratitude for

421
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:10.480
the rainbow or feeling wealthy. Those
feelings also sink into the subconscious, just

422
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:14.400
like a visualization would. So let's
say someone like you know me, for

423
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.000
example, I'm really good at visualizing
those kinds of things, like the colors,

424
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:19.759
the smells, the sites, the
sounds. So I could focus on

425
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.359
that and that would be sufficient,
you know, because it seems like there's

426
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.680
like six different avenues here, you
know. So it's like just pick your

427
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.920
weapon that you're best with here.
So like, if I'm good at the

428
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.119
visualization, just focus on that.
Yes, yeah, absolutely. And have

429
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.759
you ever seen that little meme It
goes around sometimes on Facebook and Instagram where

430
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.880
it's like the fish in the bowl
the monkey and like the elephant and there's

431
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.720
a tree and it's like the classes
climb the tree and they can't. Right,

432
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.200
Yeah, okay, this is the
same in manifesting. We all have

433
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.880
natural inclinations towards these things. If
you already know yours, stay in that

434
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:59.000
lane, dabble with the other ones
if you want. But if you don't

435
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.119
know yours, and that's where you
want to experiment and see, because you're

436
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.599
going to be stronger on one or
the other. But you don't technically need

437
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.279
any of them because you're a natural
manifest or and you don't even have to

438
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.880
do it deliberately. Just thinking about
it is enough, right, Okay,

439
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:17.319
big question here, and I'm really
seeking this one's not for the listener.

440
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:22.599
This one's for me. Yeah,
what are signs that you will see or

441
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.319
anybody you know me? Whoever?
What are signs that you will see when

442
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:31.440
something is beginning to manifest? So
there's two ways this plays out. The

443
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.839
first ways you get no signs and
you just get smacked in the face of

444
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:42.000
the manifestation. That has happened numerous
times. Yeah that I love that way

445
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.720
because it's like, you know,
just like go about my life and foop

446
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:49.079
there it is. Okay. The
other way is you start to get little

447
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.839
bits and pieces. It can be
different for each person, but typically it's

448
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:58.559
related to the manifestation. So a
lot of people will say, you know,

449
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.880
I'm manifesting you know, ten thousand
dollars, and then I saw two

450
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:06.640
two two, and I'm like,
that's not related to your manifestation, right

451
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.279
that. That's nice, it's it's
a synchronicity, but that's not related.

452
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:15.039
If you are manifesting ten thousand dollars
and you know, a friend is like,

453
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.680
I just want ten thousand dollars,
that's a sign. Okay, that's

454
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.960
a sign like that something is moving
around and like it's becoming more you know,

455
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:30.599
into your world. I've I've had
more times than I can count,

456
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:36.160
many shocking, like truly like traumatic
shocking moments in my life where things have

457
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.200
happened, you know, just because
of all this stuff going on having been

458
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:44.799
you know, just our family's background
and everything, and like even recent like

459
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:49.000
some pretty shocking things have happened in
my personal life that I'm like, dude,

460
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.559
come on, like something's something good
has to come from this, and

461
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.039
I don't I don't want to go
into it publicly. I would be happy

462
00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:01.160
to tell you off air and maybe
give me some advice, but like you

463
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:06.279
know, I remember I asked this
because when my sister first met you,

464
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.400
which was I guess it was the
last may or whenever that conference was.

465
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.800
And then she was like really hype
about it and was talking to me all

466
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.400
about you, and she was telling
me that one of the things you said

467
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:23.519
was that sometimes when something really big
or really meaningful is beginning to manifest in

468
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:30.920
your life, sometimes you can have
very uncomfortable external circumstances as things are moving

469
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:36.079
around. Is that true? Yes, you know, and there are some

470
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:42.920
sides to manifesting that you know.
It's not all glitz and glam. Yeah,

471
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:47.239
and so yeah, you can have
things that are removed from your life

472
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:53.440
to make room. I have learned
that if you want something to manifest in

473
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:58.400
a way that doesn't bring harm to
you or someone else, you can just

474
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.880
be like in a way that please
So just add in a way that pleases

475
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:06.239
me to all your options. So, how would that be applicable? Like,

476
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.280
if I'm doing a visualization or whatever, would that be like inaffirmations or

477
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.719
it would be a thought? So
if you're visualizing that, you we'll go

478
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.599
back to the ten thousand dollars you're
visualizing you have the ten thousand dollars,

479
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.960
you'd be like, oh, I
love how it happened. It happens in

480
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.880
a way that pleased me. Okay, so visualize it being a good,

481
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.960
joyful, positive thing. Yeah.
Um, but I've had Yeah, I've

482
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.719
had a lot of weird situations where
for me personally, I've never had anything

483
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.199
so horrible happened as a man or
like before a manifestation, but it's always

484
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:39.400
been kind of odd, like I'm
like why that, Why is that happening?

485
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.440
Like where did that go? Or
you know, something will break that

486
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:49.119
I like and I'm like, well
goodbye. I didn't know that was the

487
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.880
trade. I didn't know that that's
what I had to give up. Yeah.

488
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:59.000
I've heard somebody say before that with
manifestation that what they called them angels

489
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.920
in this scenario, but that you'll
essentially be it's like, yeah, you'll

490
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:06.400
get what you want, but it's
if you're not specific, it's just going

491
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.400
to take the path of least resistance, and that might that might cause some

492
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:15.239
chaos in your life, you know, and you resolved in focus, okay,

493
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.159
And that's something like someone like me
who has a lot of experience.

494
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.480
One of the reasons I come out
publicly and talk about this is because I

495
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:28.880
want people to learn from my mistakes. And when you say it comes from

496
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:35.960
focus, you mean that comes from
um focusing like very specifically and intentionally.

497
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.559
Yes. Okay, So so for
instance, um, you know, it

498
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.320
took me a while to figure out
just to add in a way that pleases

499
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.800
me, because you know, you
remember the genie stories like the Magic Wishes,

500
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.239
the three Oh yeah, the genies
are always tricksters. I'm always I've

501
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.039
always been obsessed with that archetype.
Like as a little kid, I used

502
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.679
to sit there and wish or think, like what would be my three wishes?

503
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:04.559
Everybody did? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, but the genie will give

504
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.639
you what you want, but it's
what Yeah, you have to be very,

505
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:13.960
very particular, and so the universe
is not nearly as tricky as the

506
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.960
genie. The genie sort of got
like an attitude about it. But the

507
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.119
universe will take you literally, your
subconscious will take you literally. So if

508
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:28.800
you're like I would like more money, it is like here's the dollar yeah

509
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.400
on the ground, right, and
you're like, no, I wanted a

510
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:37.239
thousand dollars, Like would you can
tell me that here's a dollar fifty?

511
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:45.159
Be more specific? Okay, So
okay, so let's say, for example,

512
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:52.800
I'm interested in manifesting. Uh blood
so satso going worldwide? How how

513
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.840
would that? As far as visualization, Let's say I wanted to manifest the

514
00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.360
future where the whole world is exposed
to these lights and they know the truth.

515
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.480
How would I visualize this? So, first of all, you're a

516
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.760
visualizer, so I would have you
visualize being in that moment, a moment

517
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.719
in that in that reality that you're
looking for. I actually have recurring dreams

518
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.559
about that, about being in crowds
and people seeing the lights and me being

519
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:23.639
like I told you all these years, Well that's great. That means your

520
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:29.079
subconscious is already aware of it,
so um like already working on it in

521
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:30.679
a sense. And that's not that
far off. I mean, I don't

522
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.840
think that's that far off given everything
else that's happens that we've gone through.

523
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.320
Yeah. Yeah, I haven't been
able to talk about too much yet.

524
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:44.559
But so so here's what I would
do. I would close my eyes.

525
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.719
I would visualize, Okay, I'm
in this um space. Other people are

526
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.679
seeing it. It's common knowledge,
it's happening. And I would add,

527
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:57.519
this is where you want to get
particular right. It's a it's a positive

528
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.800
experience it's it's making things better for
people, people are happier, like instead

529
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:09.119
of focusing on like it's armageddon,
right, you don't want to and and

530
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:13.880
you just add all the pieces that
are important to you in that moment as

531
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:19.199
though it is happening or has happened, and you might need to repeat it.

532
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.360
So most you know, most of
the time I'll have to repeat something.

533
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.719
I would say it's less often that
I get a manifestation just from doing

534
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.119
it once, or those are things
I don't care about, but you often

535
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:35.880
have to repeat it. I've also
heard conflicting things about like you should you

536
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.400
should phrase things as if you already
have them. But then also I've heard

537
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:45.480
other things that say, you know, phrase things like that's what you're trying

538
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.079
to get? Is that? Is
that something that's also on an individual level,

539
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:55.079
it works different for different people.
For manifesting, I definitely recommend from

540
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:59.920
the perspective of already having it is
the stronger. So that would be like

541
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.519
what you said earlier about visualizing or
experiencing the feeling of like the gratitude of

542
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:07.519
having it, or the right like, this's kind of the same thing.

543
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.920
You know, there's something really profound
about that it's like, you know,

544
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.719
assuming this is a metaphor, you
know, I don't necessarily believe every story

545
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:17.280
from the Bible literally, but I
think there's profound wisdom, you know,

546
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.599
nuggets of wisdom there. And it's
like the story where Moses speaks to the

547
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:23.960
burning bush and he says, what's
your name? So I'm going to tell

548
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:28.280
the people and God says, I
am, I am who I am?

549
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.079
And to me, there you know
something profound about that. It's like,

550
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.199
we're all God. Right, if
all this gnostic stuff, if all this

551
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.880
consciousness stuff is true, we're all
God. So that's who we all are.

552
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.760
We all are I am who I
am, And to me, that's

553
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.119
the power of manifestation. It's like, no, I don't want to be

554
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:51.039
that I am that because I'm a
godlike being and I have the power to

555
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.199
manifest that into my reality. Yeah, and I actually use that all the

556
00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.000
time. I am I am that
I am. Right, I'm like,

557
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:05.280
I am that I am. So
I'll look at something like I'll be like,

558
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.760
I am that I am. Like
it lets me know I'm the same

559
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:14.199
one thing as it, so I'm
connected to it. Um that I cannot

560
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:15.880
remember her name or I can't.
I do remember her name, I don't

561
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.679
remember how to pronounce it. Anita
and Marianni or something like that. She's

562
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.079
the woman who she died and she
came back to life. She wrote a

563
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:30.519
book like Living to Die or something
like. Anyway, she's really well known.

564
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.199
Um. She died for several minutes, I believe, um, and

565
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.840
she was like given a choice to
come back or something of that nature.

566
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.400
She came back and she had like
full organ failure and she like completely recovered

567
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:46.559
and has been living happily ever after
for years. Right. So she describes

568
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:52.639
it as like your hand. Um. So she's like, we're all these

569
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.039
different people and we all have different
personalities. What we don't see is that

570
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.559
we're all connected. We're all the
same one energy, that's that one consciousness.

571
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.800
But we're not here to have that
experience of being one. We have

572
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.480
that over there. We're here to
have the individual experience. Right. Wow,

573
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.480
that's so profound. Yeah, I
mean it makes total sense. It

574
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.199
makes absolute, total sense to me. You know, ancient Hindus have or

575
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.159
you know, Hindu since ancient times
have been talking about this, well beyond

576
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.000
recorded, you know, they're recorded
history of five thousand years and They called

577
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.840
this Indraw's net. It was the
concept that you know, if you look

578
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.440
at a spiderweb or a net,
and every intersecting node of that net has

579
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:32.760
has a drop a d on it, and the morning sun shining on the

580
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.000
dow is going to reflect that light
in every piece of d with me and

581
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:44.280
you are the do dude? Where
the dude? D e where where are

582
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.119
the du But um, you know, so we we're here at forty five

583
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:51.480
minutes, and I wanted to shift
gears here for a little bit before we

584
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.199
just beat you to death about I
know you talk about this over and over

585
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.239
and over. I don't want to, you know, I know you talk

586
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.639
about this so much, so I
wanted to shift gears. If that's okay

587
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:06.559
with you. Yeah. Are you
willing to expound upon any of your experiences

588
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:10.639
at the Monroe Institute when my family
was absolutely absolutely, Oh my gosh,

589
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.599
I wish more people knew about Monroe. Um they will, they will.

590
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.719
Well, hey, I will say, my dad has a book coming out

591
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.800
and like very soon, like twenty
one or two days from now, March

592
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.239
first, and um, that whole
that that weekend like when you were there

593
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.159
and everything. Um, that's the
last chapter so that that'll be in Dad's

594
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.960
book. But we were can you
just tell because like my people, my

595
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:37.760
audience doesn't know that I went to
that, like because I don't know.

596
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.880
What's really funny is I don't actually
know how I ended up. I just

597
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.199
showed up. No, no,
I know how I got there. But

598
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.519
I was like the one person who
wasn't part of the community. And I

599
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.760
was like, hello, That's why
that's why I was curious, because like,

600
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.880
no disrespect, but my sister's telling
you all about you and like,

601
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:01.159
you know this this event was created
for my family, and that's that's why

602
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.840
I was like, Wow, you
got to introduce me to Amy. She

603
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:09.400
must be somebody really really cool at
that manifestation, right, well, yeah,

604
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.320
yeah, I'll tell you. I'll
tell you. It was like really

605
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.360
funny because like when the guy called
meet in might be the guy who put

606
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.679
it together. Um, you know, I had met him at a program

607
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.599
at Monroe at Monroe earlier, um
a few years before, and he just

608
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.039
remembered and thought, oh, you'd
be a great addition. And I was

609
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.440
like, what is it about like
me, Like I mean like I and

610
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.199
all this stuff, but like I
it's like in my head, like,

611
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.559
I don't like communicate with people about
it. It's not like a thing,

612
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.679
you know. And so I was
like, why why would you want me

613
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:40.119
to be there? He's like,
oh, I think it'd be great.

614
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.239
I was like, I must be
supposed to be there, so I'll go

615
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.920
right And then and then he called
and he's like, you're gonna be um

616
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:53.719
Elway's roommate. And I was like, who's Emily? Yeah, yeah,

617
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.159
yeah, And she's obviously she's amazing. So yeah, what did you want

618
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.880
to know about? Well, just
like, well, first, what when

619
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.239
was the first time you went to
Monroe And how did you find out about

620
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.559
it? Oh? Wait, I
have a really this is a cool story.

621
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.280
Okay, My parents were into manifesting. When I was a teenager.

622
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:17.400
We lived in the Chicago area.
The Monroe's tut is outside of Charlottesville and

623
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:23.880
Virginia, right, So my dad
was into out of body experiences and he

624
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:29.000
had Bob's books, Bob Monroe's books, and I read them and as a

625
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.679
teenager, and then I got another
book by a different guy, Bill Biuelman.

626
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.400
And when I was in college and
I was determined to have an out

627
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.079
of body experience, read this book. This is a perfect example also of

628
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.840
the different focusing techniques. Or read
this book like it was my Bible.

629
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.239
I did everything he said in it. I would lay on the floor every

630
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.800
day at the same time in meditate, and I was expected to shoot out

631
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:54.400
of my body and I was like, I must be doing your run.

632
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:01.639
So flash forward like many years.
My dad passed away in twenty seventeen and

633
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.679
I was going through his stuff and
I found Bob's books. Okay, Now

634
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.119
I had moved to Richmond, Virginia
in the meantime. Wow, come on,

635
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:17.559
now, come on now, obviously
unrelated, like totally I've been in

636
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:22.519
Virginia for years, over ten years. So books, and I'm like,

637
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.880
oh, that wasn't the internet.
When I read these, I wonder if

638
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:31.920
there's anything online. So I go
online and there's the Manroe Institute. Wow.

639
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.840
And I'm like, oh, this
is great. Where is it?

640
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.880
And I'm like an hour and a
half from my house, Like what?

641
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:45.960
Yeah? Now right? And what's
even crazier is that guy Bill was hosting

642
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:52.119
and out of Body retreat No at
the Monroe Institute. I'm like, come

643
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.760
on, how about I asked that
guy why it didn't work? Yeah?

644
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:04.360
What I do wrong? Bill.
What's a secret. I go, they

645
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.440
tell me his program is full.
I'm like, oh, no, ma'am,

646
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:12.119
not for me. No, you
did not understand I am going to

647
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.639
be in this program. So I
drove home. I went out there to

648
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:16.920
visit. They had like an open
house. It was really nice. They

649
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.199
showed you round and you get to
see the check units and everything. It

650
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.239
was really cool. And that's when
they told me the whole year was full

651
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.320
for his programs. I was like
wow. By the time I got home,

652
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.199
I was an hour and a half
later. I'm like, they're going

653
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:31.760
to have a spot for me.
And I went online and there was a

654
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.280
spot open and I booked it.
Oh my wow, come on now,

655
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:39.960
it was too much, too much, right, this was in January.

656
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.119
It was for May. So I
go in May. And here's a great

657
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:49.559
example. I get there and they
had us do a bunch of different meditations

658
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.440
with different styles of how to get
out of your body. And I only

659
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.159
knew the one from the book.
But since he'd written the book, there

660
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.360
were all these other styles that have
come about, and I was really naturally

661
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.119
acclimated to a different style and I
was out of my body and no time,

662
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.840
no way, I was. I'm
more of a kinesthetic one where I

663
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.000
try I like get not my physical
body, but I can get my energy

664
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.280
body to move and I can get
out, whereas I was trying to do

665
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.360
like you know, the dead Man's
pose before. Yeah, that's that's kind

666
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:20.559
of my vibe. It's like be
as still as possible to be like Osirius

667
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:24.239
and a coffin. Yeah, why
isn't this information? Oh my god,

668
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:29.599
right, like, why isn't this
information more accessible? I didn't know.

669
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:34.920
There were like multiple ways of I
didn't either. I mean I knew about

670
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.440
you know, there's certain herbs like
blue lotus, but that's cool. So

671
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.280
you're saying there's different meditative techniques that
are taught at Monroe about how to have

672
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.280
an astral body experience. Yes,
and we would do like a couple of

673
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.000
meditations for each one, and we
did the one that didn't work for me,

674
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.320
which I've still never gotten that way
to work for me. I'm just

675
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.920
not acclimated that way. And then
there's other ways that I was like,

676
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.039
oh, I'm feeling something right away. And I can also get out through

677
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.320
lucid dreams, which I started to
have when I started to go in there

678
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.039
and that was it. I was
like hooked. I think I've been to

679
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:12.440
like nine programs there. Now,
wow's you know, honestly, from what

680
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.119
I was just told two weeks ago
that event that you were at, my

681
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:20.119
sister and my dad and whoever else
was there, Jim Carrey was invited.

682
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.079
Oh really, you know what It's
been like so many times I was supposed

683
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:30.719
to have met that guy. Really, yeah, multiple times I've missed crossing

684
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:31.960
paths with him. Yes, well, if you meet him, tell him

685
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:37.039
I'm a big fan. We did
a whole episode about Jim Carrey. But

686
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.599
seriously, um, yeah, that's
crazy. So like I was actually invited

687
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:45.199
that weekend and I chose not to
go. There were some things going on

688
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.920
privately in my family where I was
basically very staunch to my dad, like

689
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.599
I will not get involved with anything
where I'm gonna have to sign like an

690
00:49:52.679 --> 00:50:00.000
NDA where I'm barred from speaking about
this experience publicly, Like if I'm gonna

691
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.679
to monroe'sa too, I want you
and Emily to go figure it out.

692
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.239
Meet the people, see if they're
nice. Because I didn't know. I

693
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.400
didn't know them, you know,
it was just an invite and they went.

694
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.639
They had this wonderful experience, and
I'm like, dang, I wish

695
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:15.440
I went, I wish I went. So, Um, I'm talking to

696
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.960
one of the chair members or board
members or whatever you want to call it,

697
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.920
and trying to go. He wants
me to go, So you know,

698
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:29.079
I would definitely recommend you for if
they have some sort of event in

699
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:30.559
the future, I'll definitely say I
really like Amy. Get her on the

700
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:37.880
list. Thank you. I mean, I'm already invited, but that's fine.

701
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.199
I'm not gonna say, hold up, No, she's gonna put in

702
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:42.840
a world for you. That's not
what I'm saying. That's not what I'm

703
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.559
saying. I'm saying what i'd be
there. I want to say I want

704
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.599
her there too. Oh I'm not
It's not like that. I'm saying,

705
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:53.159
like, i'd like to meet you. Yeah, well we're not that far

706
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.679
apart. I'm just up with the
road in Virginia. But that's true.

707
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.119
No, Like, yeah, that
event was so interesting. Um, I

708
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.800
don't even know what I'm allowed to
say about it other than it happens what's

709
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:08.360
in Dat's books. So I'm pretty
sure you're allowed to speak openly about Okay,

710
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:13.079
And I think Monroe appreciates the advertising. Yeah, no, it was.

711
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.199
It was great. UM. We
did like a night watch every night,

712
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:20.239
which is really cool, and I
think I'm mentioned it. We did

713
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:24.079
see something really cool that we documented. Not me, I just laid there.

714
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:31.480
Some other people. M Yeah,
it was a lot of fun.

715
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.840
I really appreciated it. But my
other experiences at Monroe been great. Each

716
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.719
program is slightly different. UM.
I get something amazing out of it every

717
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:44.039
time. And I will say this, and I'm not the only person I've

718
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:49.239
run across that says this. UM. A lot of participants I've met say

719
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.920
something big manifests in their life that
they want after going to a Monroe program

720
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:58.639
or while they're there. And I've
had really probably four really big manifestations.

721
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:06.199
Why was out of program there I've
got to go so UM. I can't

722
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:13.039
go into too many details about this
at the moment. Anyway, let me

723
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.840
just say that very recently, at
my house, one of the directors,

724
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.199
Like I was just telling you a
few minutes ago, one of the directors,

725
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.800
one of the board members of Monroe, was at my dad's house and

726
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.079
we were talking and he was like, yeah, I would love to get

727
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.079
you there, And UM sent me
some of the frequencies like what we had

728
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.360
discussed in Emily's episode, like the
ones you did the same night. Y'all

729
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:37.400
were all meditating together, if you
recall, and um he sent us those

730
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:38.880
frequencies. I'm out of town for
a week, staying with my mom and

731
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:44.079
dad, and I'm like, God, but the one time I'm obsessive about

732
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:49.519
when I leave town, I take
my Apple AirPods, and this one time,

733
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.000
I swear to God, this is
how I know something weird manifested here

734
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.840
because I had the very slight subconscious
urge like I don't need him, never

735
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.480
have that. I always bring him. I don't need him. I left

736
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.960
him home. Then I get there. Then that day, the Monroe guy

737
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.199
gives us these new frequencies. So
I'm the only one around without headphones,

738
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:14.679
and like my wife and my sister
listened to these new frequencies. That night,

739
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:19.599
they had an identical dream. I'm
talking like to the detail, like

740
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.400
every bit of the dream was identical. They didn't discuss any of these things.

741
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:29.960
They they just separately had an identical
dream. I didn't listen to the

742
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.559
frequencies because I forgot my headphones.
But that night I had a dream I

743
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:37.239
was at Monroe and I've never been
there, so it was just some dream

744
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.320
version, like I don't know what
it really looks like. And I'm sitting

745
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:44.119
in a lecture hall type classroom and
there's people all around me. I'm looking

746
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:45.440
to my left, I'm looking to
my right. There's an instructor in front

747
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.599
of us. And in my dream
even it's very vivid. I'm like,

748
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.440
you know, I'm not listening to
the frequencies, but I'm like, I've

749
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.800
heard these. I know it's real, you know. I'm looking around and

750
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:59.639
I'm witnessing everyone else listen to them, and they're all just weeping and they're

751
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:04.840
having these breakthroughs of consciousness where they're
like being I don't know how to explain

752
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.880
it, but it was like so
vivid for me. It was such a

753
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:13.079
very bizarre feeling to me, like
there's something to these frequencies. And then

754
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.320
I wake up the next morning and
Jenny's like me and them, we have

755
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.400
the same dream. So that's been
two weeks two weeks ago. Since then,

756
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.480
I have listened to these frequencies maybe
like six or seven times, like

757
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:28.400
every few days. I'll pop them
on forty minutes that I met your sister

758
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.639
uh huh, yeah, I got
I got my hands on them. They're

759
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.760
high level. I mean they're like
they take you high. Yes, they

760
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.440
do. And I've left my body
a few times. There's been some times

761
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:45.079
where like nothing weird happens, but
I'll get very very like unique let's just

762
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:50.960
say unique um emotions or thoughts or
feelings will come to the surface or like

763
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.320
um, different different perspectives will come
to the surface, and it will be

764
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:58.440
like, you know, I'm thinking
it's five minutes, and then it's over

765
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:00.480
and I'm like, oh my god, it's been forty minute, and you're

766
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:02.039
just you just kind of like whoa, you snap out of it, you

767
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:07.320
know what I mean. And it's
like, yes, every time, every

768
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.199
single time I've I've lost time,
like like you're definitely in an altered trance

769
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:15.199
state. But about half the times
I've done these frequencies, I feel these

770
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:20.239
very strange perceptions, like if you
can imagine that your consciousness is anchored to

771
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:24.239
your eyes and you're looking around and
everything you see as with your eyes while

772
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:28.440
listening to these frequency and I have
the mindfold too. My wife bought me

773
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.239
some one Amazon. They're really cheap, like seven bucks or something, and

774
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.480
half the times I've been listening to
these frequencies, even though my eyes are

775
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:38.119
open, they're in the mindfold,
but it's like pitch black. I feel

776
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:42.960
like my consciousness leaves that anchor from
being behind my eyes. And like you

777
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.800
know, for those who can see
the camera, it's like this, it's

778
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.800
like just like zooming and it's like
boom, I'm out of my body and

779
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:53.960
I just can see things so vividly, but my physical eyes are still seeing

780
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:59.800
the pitch black of the mindfold.
And I and like sometimes I get flashes

781
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:04.519
or receptions of living other lives or
other people like I'm seeing them. Yeah,

782
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.760
Like literally, there's so many frequencies
of consciousness. I don't I mean,

783
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:12.599
who knows how many there are,
and we can be a tune to

784
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:17.119
them for our brain frequencies. The
signals what I don't know, what music,

785
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:21.679
whatever they call it, it works
to bring us in these different states

786
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.760
that those the ones you're talking about, those can take you, like really

787
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.760
expand it and you can have a
lot of different experiences. I'm not surprised

788
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.000
you're having all those experiences. I
am. I've never listened to them for

789
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:40.599
an extended period of time, but
when I have heard them or listen to

790
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:46.480
them briefly, it's like the instant
they turn one, I feel like light

791
00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:52.360
and almost like I'm starting to float
and like I'm not even kidding, Like

792
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:59.199
the vibrations that I feel internally are
very intense. With headphones, it's even

793
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:01.480
more intense. Oh well, I'm
talking about with headphones, okay, because

794
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.440
because when you were at my house
last weekend, I played it out loud

795
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.679
on my phone, and even without
headphones, you look at me and you're

796
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.840
like, what is that? And
you were you were I knew, I

797
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.760
knew exactly what it was. I
was like, yeah, I have to

798
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.000
turn that off if we're going to
record an episode in a minute. You

799
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:22.159
were shot even without headphones. It's
weird. And again I don't like I

800
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:28.960
won't see anything but the feelings and
the the you you described it really well

801
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:34.920
earlier for people who like can't see
things, they feel things, and like

802
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:40.599
it's almost like I feel like scenarios, like like made up scenarios. I

803
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:45.360
can I feel them in like you
know, fantasy stories. It's it's really

804
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:52.039
weird. But my thoughts are extremely
vivid. In my emotions are extremely vivid,

805
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.840
even if I'm not seeing anything and
those tapes turn that on like a

806
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:01.280
light switch. Like it's bizarre.
Are I have yet to? Oh?

807
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:07.280
And also, uh, my wife
she made a mindfold. She has she

808
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:12.320
has like some of those safety goggles
for like whenever she's using power tools and

809
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.440
stuff. She's an artist. Uh, and she just put like black felt

810
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:19.239
all the way around it and like
taped it up and everything. So I

811
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.440
like have those on and I mean
literally like three to five minutes or something,

812
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.400
and I'm like, I can't do
this anymore. Like I feel like

813
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.559
I'm you know, I don't know. It's it's a it's a very bizarre

814
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:30.960
feeling, and I don't know that
I'm quite warmed up to it yet.

815
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:36.119
Yeah, there is a thing that
happens at the programs UM. I think

816
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:40.719
she mentioned it and you're when she
was on the podcast. UM. They

817
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:45.559
slowly gradually work you up through the
week, but different frequencies because it's it's

818
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:52.159
hard the ground running from like daily
routine to like these higher states of conscient

819
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.079
they're not really higher, there's more
expanded, and so you may just be

820
00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:00.039
you just maybe jumping higher. What
you do is like do it after you've

821
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.280
woken up, after you've been asleep
in your mind's a little more slower.

822
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.679
I would try it then I have
some of those lighter ones like that you're

823
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:08.760
talking about, Amy, Like,
maybe that's what we should do, because

824
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.920
I should send you some of the
lower level ones to phase you into it,

825
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.119
because I think, yeah, I
got no problem. I think I

826
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:22.880
might need to gradually step my way
up. There's one. There's one level

827
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:27.360
they have, um, it's Focus
twenty seven. I think the first time

828
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.360
I went to it, I loved
it so much that when I came home

829
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:31.639
from that retreat, it was a
different one. I listened to it like

830
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:36.440
every day for a week, and
I remember being like, I don't remember

831
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.920
what I did five seconds ago.
The whole week. Yeah, Emily.

832
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:45.639
Emily described the very same sensation when
she came home from Monroe for a while.

833
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:47.800
She was like, I don't even
know what's really anymore. Yeah,

834
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.400
it's it's like, it's not like, you know, the sense of going

835
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.719
crazy, but it's the sense of
having such expanded experiences at Monroe that you

836
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.480
come home and you're like going to
work, going to lunch with your friends,

837
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:05.880
all this mundane crap. That's like, dude, a week ago I'm

838
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:08.119
at Munroe and we're flying through the
universe out of our body. You know,

839
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:10.280
It's like, what's what's even real? Is any of this real?

840
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.519
You know? Like I guess that
happens? Amy? Do you are you

841
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:22.239
typically like pretty grounded? Uh with
with like your your astral self or like

842
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:27.079
your spiritual something like? Do you
typically feel pretty grounded? Yeah? Yeah,

843
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:30.000
I'm very practical, very logical,
which is I think what made me

844
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:34.760
such a good person's really good into
manifesting because I can have the experiences.

845
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.920
I'm open to it, but I
can also take it and figure it out

846
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:40.800
and teach it to people. Yeah. Yeah, Like I see myself that

847
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:45.559
way, like I I am open
to these expanded experiences, but then the

848
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.440
logical brain is like, oh that's
how it works. And then I turn

849
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.039
around and I just try to explain
it to other Well, Ryan, how

850
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.920
about you? Do you usually feel
pretty grounded or like? Well, you

851
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:02.280
I know I am because you know, the experiences that I've been having my

852
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:06.840
whole life have been on the visual
the you know, the visible spectrum,

853
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:09.199
and have had so many hundreds of
witnesses with me. I'm like, I

854
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:12.840
know this shit's real. Oh no, no, no, that's that's not

855
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.880
necessarily what I mean. I mean, like on a day to day basis,

856
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:21.079
do you have any trouble because you
know, there are moments in life

857
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.559
where we have to like use our
monkey brains, you know what I mean,

858
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:28.440
where I can have to do the
minutia, the day to day stuff.

859
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.920
No, I have a very hard
time functionally functioning as as a as

860
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:37.079
a normal Like I could tell you
right now, I'm not the kind of

861
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.840
individual that functions very well in a
typical nine to five. Yeah, you

862
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.599
know, there's so much other stuff
on my mind. And then this stuff

863
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:50.039
is like so mundane, so boring. It's just so little and so meaningless

864
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:52.760
to me. But it's like I
got bills, can I I just want

865
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.320
to say that the experiences that your
family had and you had and you were

866
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:01.639
younger, I'm not surprised. I
mean you you you had experiences some people

867
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:06.920
want to have their whole life.
Yeah, you know, and and so

868
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.239
so for me, like when I
learned manifesting younger, it always gave me

869
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:15.559
this different edge going into everything,
like I'm really practical and grounded, like

870
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.719
I can, I can nine to
five It like nobody's business. But and

871
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:22.320
I'm really good at it, but
like it gave me a different perspective.

872
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:27.239
So I'm not surprised with that with
you, because you just had access to

873
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.880
something the majority people don't have access
to yet and then take that and then

874
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:36.119
make it you know, sometimes daily
or weekly or monthly occurrence and like still

875
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:37.920
to this day. You know,
started when I'm thirteen. Now I'm going

876
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:43.280
on thirty here in the next six
months, and it's still happening. It's

877
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.840
never stopped. It's actually ramping up
in intensity. And now I'm at a

878
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.960
point where I'm like, I'm not
cut out for nine to five world.

879
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.199
I just I can't like And it's
not it's not a it's not a like,

880
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:58.880
it's not an arrogant thing. It's
like I can't function. I can't

881
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.519
function. Yeah, I understand what
you mean. It's it's like, how

882
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:06.360
am I supposed to focus on any
of this stuff here when I'm like,

883
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:13.920
I'm already I'm seeing the world as
a consciousness matrix and not a hardcore you

884
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:20.320
know reality. It's like it's hard
for me to reconcile sometimes visibly, not

885
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:25.280
to mention, like visit like Amy, you saw it, right, So

886
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:29.519
what man? I Monroe, like
you saw the lights, you know what,

887
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:32.119
as hilarious as I was the first
person that saw it, and I

888
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:36.519
was like, oh, that's probably
nothing, and I didn't tell you about

889
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:42.719
it. That's always however, and
then and then everyone's like, oh my

890
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:46.400
god, I'm like, well that, yeah, I saw. It's like

891
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:49.639
I meet a lot of people who, you know, just through being a

892
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.239
podcaster, through being interested in this
world, and you meet a lot of

893
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.280
people who are into conspiracies, and
they're like, I know too much.

894
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:58.360
Man, the government's take an advantage
that you know. It's like I know

895
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:00.800
more than others. I blah blah
blah. It's like, you know,

896
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:06.239
that's fine, but like I am
seeing things that are incomprehensible. It's like,

897
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:11.679
think of the character, think of
the character from any HP Lovecraft novel

898
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:15.039
who's seeing these unfathomable horrors beyond the
veil and they're like driven mad. That's

899
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:18.360
me. But it's like I'm not
driven mad. It's a positive experience and

900
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:23.199
they're not unfathomable horrors, but I'm
like driven mad with like trying to show

901
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.119
it to people, like you see
what I'm saying, Like, that's that's

902
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:29.320
really me. That's really who I
am. The way they get to get

903
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:32.079
them to see it is to like, let me rephrase the way I would

904
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:36.599
do it. I'm sure there's lots
of ways. Um would be to see

905
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:42.320
it as like a spectrum. You
can see a range on the spectrum the

906
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.159
average person doesn't have access to yet, so you would want to find a

907
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:49.840
way expand their spectrum. They'll immediately
see it if they can see that spectrum.

908
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:55.679
Yeah, no, absolutely, it's
it's it's goes back to like their

909
01:04:55.679 --> 01:05:01.400
frequency things. Different pieces of consciousness
operate on different wave links, different frequency

910
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:06.760
levels, and and if you can
get somebody to expand to accommodate for that

911
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:12.880
frequency, they'll see it. Yeah, they'll see it without trying. Yeah.

912
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.920
Yeah, and it would make sense, why, you know, think

913
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.000
about it, like with your dad. You know, your dad has been

914
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:27.320
seeing these these lights for what seventeen
years, sixteen years, and now it's

915
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.800
at a point where he is so
he's beyond focus and he is in belief

916
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:36.840
that has been you know, projected
on him. It's kind of been forced

917
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:40.840
on him because they're appearing every day
he sees them. He doesn't have to

918
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:45.760
try to focus there, they're there
and that has raised his vibration, it's

919
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:49.800
raised his spectrum of frequency. And
I think, do you think Amy that

920
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:56.360
when you get around people, that
your energy could feed off of theirs and

921
01:05:56.360 --> 01:06:01.119
and potentially expand yours even to a
certain degree. I absolutely believe that.

922
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:03.840
I think you know because I was
there with your dad. First of all,

923
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:08.719
your dad is one of the kindest, most genuine human beings I've ever

924
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:14.960
met. Like, he's just amazing
m and he like that's he's the difference

925
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:18.199
between believing and knowing. He's like
belief. Who needs belief? What are

926
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:25.679
you talking about? He had an
energy about him that was very calm,

927
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:30.920
kind, patient, and he would
go out every night with us to the

928
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:34.960
night watch and he would just be
like, they'll come, just open up

929
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:38.760
your heart, open up your mind. And all these other people were talking

930
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:40.760
about what about this? What about
that? You know, people have questions

931
01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:44.480
and stuff, and he was just
he was very grounded in it. Yeah,

932
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.280
and his energy I could possibly,
in my guests, be why we

933
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:53.119
got to have that experience. YEA
many times, I've never seen anything like

934
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:56.039
that there before. Well, according
to the people at Monroe, was their

935
01:06:56.119 --> 01:07:01.280
first ever official sighting, and they've
had tons of people come to do the

936
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:05.480
whole CE five contact protocol and nothing. Yeah, you know, so like

937
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:10.840
we had everything we had we had
not me again, I was just a

938
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:14.320
random tag along who sat out there
in the grass with everybody. No,

939
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.679
but it wasn't really random, right
of that, right, I mean here

940
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:19.000
we are today, you know,
yeah, here we are. But they

941
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:24.280
had the team that had the cameras
and all the equipment. I was impressed.

942
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:28.280
I was like, oh my gosh, this is like national geographics they

943
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:34.519
had. They had like these random
sensors, like random generated sensors or something

944
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:38.800
set up around the perimeter of the
property. That was like I don't know,

945
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:42.760
Dad explained it. I don't know
the technicality of it, random number

946
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.320
generators, and they were like getting
trips on these sensors when these things were

947
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:50.360
appearing like they got real data.
Yeah, we had several layers of research

948
01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:54.960
going on from I think a couple
of different teams. It was pretty cool.

949
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.960
That's the technical side of that.
I don't know. But I saw

950
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.079
them set it up every night and
they would show us the next day.

951
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:05.599
They're all excited and I'm like,
what are we looking at it? Okay,

952
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:08.679
yeah, I can't I can't wait
it. Yeah, so that'll be

953
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:13.400
in the last chapter of Dad's book, can't wait, um Amy, We're

954
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.199
at over an hour. I've really
enjoyed the conversation. Is there anything else

955
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.640
that you feel like you need to
get off your chest, anything that you

956
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:23.479
feel like you missed. No,
but I do want to put it out

957
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:27.159
there for people who you know,
might be new to manifesting and you know

958
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:29.920
that you want something better for you
in your life. I want you to

959
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.800
know it's possible. And I've you
know, like I said, got thirty

960
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:36.359
years of personal experience. I've been
a coach in manifesting for twenty one years.

961
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:42.079
So I just want to be like
a realistic you know, this can

962
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:45.960
work. It will work if you
really put your mind to it. Um.

963
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.680
It is not overnight a lot of
times, and I think that's something

964
01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:49.680
that a lot of people who are
new to it don't get, you know,

965
01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:51.680
They're like, oh, this is
going to change my life overnight.

966
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:55.479
It might not. It might take
a little bit of time to gain some

967
01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:58.600
momentum with it, but stick with
it. Please stick with it it.

968
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:00.439
Once you get like over or that
like, oh I figured it out,

969
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:05.560
play with rainbows, then to really
like get the bigger stuff that you're looking

970
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:11.720
for. Yeah, I feel like
so, I just recently watched this documentary

971
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:15.119
called Stuts. Have you heard of
it? So it's this Jonah Hill made

972
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:20.159
it, and it's about Jonah Hill's
therapist, and he has a very unorthodox,

973
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:28.640
what would be considered unorthodox approach to
therapy and counseling, which involves actual

974
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:33.000
like tools and practices and things that
you can do to achieve the things that

975
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:36.239
you want in your life. A
lot of them are actually there's a lot

976
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:42.479
of overlap with manifestation. I kind
of see you in the same way because

977
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:47.720
you know, through I've been hearing
about and researching and learning about manifestation for

978
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:53.840
maybe two or three years now,
But in this one hour long conversation you

979
01:09:53.960 --> 01:10:00.960
have put things into a completely different
perspective that it's just like it seems so

980
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:04.000
simple and easy and it just clicks
and makes perfect sense, and it's the

981
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:09.079
same it's it's kind of the same
thing that that very profound documentary did.

982
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:15.199
So I think you your insight into
this particular subject is like invaluable. You

983
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:21.000
obviously have like a very solid grasp
of what you're talking about, and you

984
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:25.000
know how to get it across.
And I'm trying to make it simple because

985
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.520
it's a simple concept. But when
you put the person in it, and

986
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:32.279
the person's emotional and they have old
programming, it can be a little hard.

987
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:35.960
It's not it's not impossible. You
can navigate out of it or navigate

988
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:40.000
through it, but it's I just
want people to know, like, this

989
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:43.800
is amazing, it'll change your life, but be patient and kind and gentle

990
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:47.079
with yourself in the process, because
it's it's you know, we're all starting

991
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:50.399
from different places and it depends on
what you want. And I just want

992
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:55.880
to be really realistic with people.
Yeah, And and people won't get anywhere

993
01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:00.000
being hard on themselves, right,
So yeah, that's beautiful, that's amazing.

994
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:01.600
Yeah, I love that. So
for anybody, just in case,

995
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:05.479
you never know, somebody could have
skipped to the metal and not heard your

996
01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:10.239
plug in the beginning. So one
more time, wherever you want people to

997
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:15.239
find you or go, if you
wouldn't mind mentioning those again here at the

998
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:18.960
end of the episode. Yeah,
if you want to see my manifesting videos

999
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:21.840
where I walk through how to do
it, lots of tips, tutorials and

1000
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:28.079
a YouTube channel. It's illuminating Joy
and then I still have the same name

1001
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:30.600
on Instagram. That's where I post
more about my life, what I manifest,

1002
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:35.960
fun stuff like that and all my
rainbows. And then go to my

1003
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:40.800
link tree and my Instagram profile and
subscribe to my email. You'll get a

1004
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:43.880
free PDF of how to manifest money, and it's the way that anyone can

1005
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:45.359
do. It's a there's lots of
different techniques and manifesting. This is an

1006
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:49.560
easy one. You can track it
and it's it's really good. I would

1007
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:54.800
definitely I would definitely play with that
one too. Awesome. Amy, I

1008
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:58.319
feel like this has been to me. This is one of my this is

1009
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.760
what I set out to do because
the whole reason that personally, you know,

1010
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:05.239
my crew has all different reasons for
doing this. It's fun, it's

1011
01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:09.560
insightful, it's informational, But to
me, what really matters is we're teaching

1012
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:14.479
people how to take these spiritual nuggets
of wisdom and like apply it into their

1013
01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:16.920
life. And I feel like this
was one of those episodes that I will

1014
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:21.479
always recommend to people. Now I
can say I have an expert manifesto on

1015
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:26.119
our show. If you want to
learn about manifestation, watch this episode.

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I'm very happy, very grateful about
that. I feel like we just checked

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off a major thing on our list
here. So thank you so much for

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coming on. Honestly can't yeah,
thank you enough. So incredible, and

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we would love to have you on
again sometime because I feel like we just

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kind of scratched the surface and we
could get we could get so deep,

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you know, barely. We gotta
do this again. This was too much

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fun. So I'm one of the
most interesting conversations that I've had in a

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minute. This is this has been
amazing. I feel like I've really really

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learned. And it's like it's crazy
because it's not like the stuff you're saying

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isn't out there. That's not what's
so mind blowing. It's just because of

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who you are and the proof that
you have done these things and have proven

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time and time again. I mean
just looking at your Instagram and seeing all

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your posts and I'm like, I've
got to have her on, Like you

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know, who just goes and meets
all these celebrities just for just for fun,

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you know, the funzies. You
know. This is my practical,

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grounded side where I'm like, um, you know when people are like,

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oh, you can't do that.
I'm like, oh, well, I'm

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gonna go do it twice, and
like I love when people challenge me,

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I'm like, okay, yeah,
seriously, she's plugged it twice now,

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illuminating joy. Check out her Instagram. It's pretty mind blowing. But um,

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thank you. Amy. We have
a tradition on the show where we

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all say bye guys together. So
on the count of three and then hang

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on, we're gonna end the recording
and then we'll actually really say goodbye.

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So on the kind of three,
we're gonna say bye guys. One,

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two, three, Bye guys.
Weird things happen in the backyard of blots

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House, said over us, descending, I got it's so weird coming closer

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to my heirst industry up like spiraling
on the inside of it. No one

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knows. Wow, it's come right
over time. Shine ain't camp

