WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.679 The Carpentry Show with Robin Clevitt, powered by Festal's new innovative eighteen volt cordless 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:10.720 range from drills to saws including dust extraction, all powered by eighteen volt batteries. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:17.359 Discover more at first All dot co dot UK. Right. Welcome to 4 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:21.519 The Carpentry Show on Fixed Radio with Festal. I'm Robin Clevitt and joining me 5 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:26.399 once again on the Carpentry Show today are seasoned carpenters and friends of the show, 6 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:31.000 Sam Thomas and Sean Matthews. On today's show, we're going to have 7 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:35.600 some fun doing a fill in the blank style exercise about our trade and some 8 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:41.679 word association about our trade too. Fix Radio time to crack on. I'm 9 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:46.520 Robin Clevit with Sam Thomas and Sean Matthews on the Carpentry Show, and we're 10 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:49.759 going to be doing some filling the blank style exercises. Okay, guys, 11 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.079 happy, I'm with you, right, Okay, So we're going to give 12 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:57.000 an answer to each of these questions and then discuss our answers. Let's start 13 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:03.200 with tools. Sam, A few essential tools every newcomer needs are kettle. 14 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:07.680 Yeah. That's a pretty good, pretty good effort. Yeah, they have 15 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.280 to learn to make the tea. How about you, Shawn, A few 16 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.159 essential tools that every newcomer there'll be a bit more sense. But you're gonna 17 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.680 need your basic hand tools, aren't you. That's your when there's no power, 18 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:19.760 your battery is dead. You know, you've got to be able to 19 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.680 use a plane whose hands, Yeah, you've got to do it. I 20 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:26.879 think that the very first thing that I always like to see is someone with 21 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:33.519 a tape measure on their on their pocket pencil definitely, so they can at 22 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.280 least measure mark and then you know, maybe borrow some of the other stuff 23 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.439 that we've got on the side teaching about to use the saws, et cetera. 24 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:46.280 Okay, a brand new state of the art kit, Sean is worth 25 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.400 looking into. What do you say, a brand new bier. I've looked 26 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.640 at that shape, is it? Or? But see, I don't think 27 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.519 i'd ever buy you one. I don't know if I get enough use of 28 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:57.560 it, but I'd like to look at it. I like the idea of 29 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.519 it. I think that looks absolutely amazing. I know Gary Banks, who's 30 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:05.480 also a friend of the show, is a big user of that, and 31 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:09.080 it wasn't till he did something recently with it that he scanned an image if 32 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:13.400 you like, and it drew out, and because it looked complicated to me, 33 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.759 all those domino type things around. It looks complicated, isn't it. 34 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:20.360 But he demonstrated it on Instagram and actually I bought straight into it. I 35 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.800 thought, this is an absolutely brilliant bit of kit. We'll have to do 36 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.879 a show about that at some point. So Sam, a brand new, 37 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.800 state of the art bit of kit that's worth looking into. What do you 38 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:31.919 think I've got to be honest, I haven't looked into a new bit of 39 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:37.360 kit for a little while, only because I'll get it if I need it, 40 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.120 you know. Yeah. Going back to talking about hand tools, they'd 41 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:43.759 be the one thing I'd be fuming about if I lost my own tools. 42 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.879 You know, like your power tools you can replace, But some of my 43 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.599 own tools I've had thirty odd years, so I don't want to. I 44 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.680 don't want to replace some more or get something new unless it's really going to 45 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:58.759 benefit me. Yeah, And I would say for me personally, I've just 46 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:00.360 got my hands on a news to be the level, which is, you 47 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.000 know, the electronic in kilometer type and basically doesn't need calibration and it does 48 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:07.159 so many things. It's so worth having. You know, they've been a 49 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.280 bit bogus, haven't they these things? But this thing is absolutely brilliant. 50 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.400 So that was that would be a good bit of kit I reckon you could 51 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.319 get your hands on, Sam, your favorite tool. My favorite tool I 52 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:21.719 own is my hammer. And going back to just what I said, I've 53 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:23.960 had it. I've had it thirty years. It was the first hammer that 54 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.960 I've ever bought as a chip ay and I've still got it. You know, 55 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.960 your hammer didn't you from picking it up, And it doesn't matter. 56 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:32.800 You could have the most expensive bit of kitbout something as simple as your hammer. 57 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.159 Honestly, I'd be heartbroken if I lost my hammer. I would guess 58 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:38.840 it's probably a leather s wing. It's not a lever. It's one of 59 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:44.360 the first original blue hands, the blue hand. Absolutely yeah. Well mine's 60 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:46.280 blue as well because the level ones they rip, they go the little yeah, 61 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.000 they go get wet or whatever. But okay, Sean, my favorite 62 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.240 tool I own is Mine's myine Mathel trauksaw. And the guide rail's got to 63 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:59.560 be but there's not just one. I've got to have that alongside the keybex 64 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:04.199 chops on a domino. I'm indestructible. Yeah it sounds do you know what 65 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:08.639 I mean? It's kind of you are a purist because the TS fifty five 66 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:12.639 has always been an amazing bit of kit, and put it next to the 67 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.439 maffel, I know them feels more pricey, but there's it's got a tiny 68 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:17.600 edge on the TS fifty five. I'll give it the TS fifty five prior 69 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.720 to that, and it was one Tan vault and it was a little bit 70 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:25.199 underpowered filed, especially if the blade goes off. The My foul is a 71 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.399 real beast. I love the scribe function and it's a real amazing bit of 72 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.439 kit. Yeah, it certain Well, it's a really good question that because 73 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:38.360 there's so many decent tools. My favorite tool I own is Oh it's awful, 74 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.839 isn't it? Because I agree with you In a hammer front, I 75 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:43.959 mean, I've got an e swing. It's called it's called a big Blue 76 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.680 Okay. It's a really big frame of it's about twenty eight and it's almost 77 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.319 hangs down below my knees. I'm like a tripod when I've got that thing 78 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.279 on my belt. But yeah, I would say my hammer for me as 79 00:04:55.319 --> 00:05:00.199 well, So Sean. A tool I would invent, if it was possible, 80 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:04.160 would be if you've seen Wallet and Grammart the new trousers when he got 81 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:08.079 the machine that gets him out of bed and into his pants. Oh yeah, 82 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:13.839 that's a ad. So some sort of device that lifts me up slides 83 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:18.920 me into my work pants the van Sam the same question. See. A 84 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:24.040 tool I would invent, if it was possible, would be came up with 85 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:29.000 a carpenter invention many years ago, right, but I wasn't sure it would 86 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:30.800 work. I love it. I love it, I love it. I 87 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.439 love it. I love it seriously, much like Shan's over there he likes. 88 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:40.839 I'd like something that could keep the van a bit tidier without it taking 89 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:45.360 four hours every now and then. Yeah, I would agree with you there. 90 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.560 It's we just don't get time to clean the van out probably or hoover 91 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.800 of the dust out in the layers of dust. Okay at all about me? 92 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:56.639 A tool I would invent, if possible, would be m This is 93 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.759 a really really interesting one. I suppose I would like to invent a chisel 94 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.879 that you never ever ever have to sharpen. You know it's going to be 95 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:10.480 of a material that is yeah, yeah, you know, imagine that, 96 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:15.160 imagine that just an edge that never ever when that would just be superb, 97 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.959 wouldn't it. Okay, So let's do some more about customers and working on 98 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:25.920 site. Next the Corpentry Show on Fixed Radio. This is the Carpentry Show 99 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.040 with Festival and we're doing a feel in the blank exercise all about our trade 100 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:34.600 today. So the telltale signs you're meeting a customer you don't want to work 101 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:39.120 for. Ah, okay, this is I'll answer this one first. So 102 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:44.639 the telltale signs for me are attitude. Okay, the first thing is attitude 103 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:46.839 and how they communicated with me in the first place. If someone says to 104 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.319 me, I know someone, here's their number, give them a ring. 105 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:53.199 I'm not going to give them a ring. I know it sounds really arrogant, 106 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:55.439 but I want them to ring me. I want them to be really 107 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.319 keen on ringing me. I've never ever wrung anyone. If someone said, 108 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.079 here's their number, give them a ring. And it's not I suppose, 109 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.360 it's just I want people to know that they're really keen, you know. 110 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:08.399 And then when I get around there, you know, I'm a bit of 111 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.759 a judge of character. If I see someone's house is really untidy and things 112 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.639 are messy, I think that their finances might be like that. And I 113 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:19.800 don't know whether that's a generalization that I've just managed to associate with other things, 114 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.680 but I do think that that's a thing. I have worked people who've 115 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:27.680 got messy houses and dirty houses, and they don't pay on time. They 116 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.839 haven't got the money. So Sam, the tell tale signs that you're meeting 117 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.959 a clant you don't want to work for are given my things are probably the 118 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:39.360 first sentences out of their mouth with me a lot of the time. And 119 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:44.519 if it's something like I've looked on Google or I was going to do it 120 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:49.000 myself, but yeah, or it shouldn't take you long. Yeah, they're 121 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:51.959 always sort of alarm bell, isn't there for me personally? Yeah? That 122 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.920 one it won't take long. Yeah, that's a classic. And for you, 123 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:00.000 sure on the tell tell signs that you're meeting a customer that you don't 124 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:03.560 don't want to work for are definitely the time aspect when they say this isn't 125 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.000 this is only going to take you a day, This is a day's work, 126 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.199 and it's clearly not. Or they're trying to instruct you on I know 127 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.560 this is not expensive, and it is, yeah, you know, so 128 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:18.120 you kind of gauge from that. They're sort of if they're open and like 129 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.120 ready to take your view and your your sort of idea of what you're going 130 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.360 to be actually doing for them and listen to it. And you know, 131 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.959 I'm willing to like sort of listen to them. But if they're sort of 132 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:31.799 in the beginning telling me this isn't going to take you very long and it 133 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:35.840 shouldn't really cost me very much. I'm not trying to charge anybody anymore. 134 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:39.919 You should, but they're already telling you I'm not going to pay you. 135 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.720 Done, definitely red flag that one. These ones are the ones that they're 136 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:50.960 willing to be led by you and yeah, listening and if they will tell 137 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.120 you the job and then I'll say, right, well yeah, and then 138 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.200 then they'll go, well that's what you want you to do? Yeah. 139 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.519 Usually start off with them saying, what's your dream, what's the vision, 140 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.240 even if it's just you know, an alcohol camera on staircase, what is 141 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:09.559 the what's your ultimaton? And if they're giving you feedback and then you know, 142 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:11.879 then you start to get a rapport them. You feel comfortable, they 143 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:13.519 can bounce off you. You can tell them what kind of can't be done 144 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.080 that customer. I want to work with the people who are too. It's 145 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.679 not only going to take you half a day. You know, I'm out 146 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.399 of the totally agree on those things. Guys totally agree. So let's talk 147 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.799 a little bit. We've talked about customers, let's talk about Subby's co workers 148 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.000 and other trades we work with. So in my case, I really if 149 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.679 I've got a new Subby coming on board, let's say they've been recommended to 150 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.360 me and we've agreed a price for some work, I'm then just looking for, 151 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.279 obviously, the punctuality, the keenness, How how good is their paperwork? 152 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:45.559 Did they get me the price out on time? Was it in order? 153 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.759 Did they describe everything? Have? I got confidence in them? And 154 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.759 that's the same for coworkers. So what I expect from the small group of 155 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.120 people who work around me is punctuality with It's an unwritten rule. You know, 156 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.000 if someone turns up ten minutes late, if that's the only time they've 157 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.559 been late, and it's a genuine reason, there's an accent down the road, 158 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:05.080 that's fine. I'm not going to lose I'm not going to lose sleep 159 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.600 over it. And also sometimes they work late, so I don't mind a 160 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.360 bit of give and take. But it's just the normal things. Like when 161 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:15.279 I'm working with a subby, I want them to be engaged and buy into 162 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:16.759 the work. I don't want them to get there and think, oh, 163 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.080 I want to be done by two o'clock, I've got to go by two, 164 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.519 or tearing around or saying ah, that wolve's not ready. Over there. 165 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.120 You say it be ready, and I said, look, it hasn't 166 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.240 been ready because someone something's gone wrong or whatever. Just a good atmosphere, 167 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:30.840 that's what I like. What about you, Sam, What are the kind 168 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.559 of traits you look for in coworkers, subbys and other trades. Yeah, 169 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:39.080 much the same as like reliability, honestly, flexibility, someone you can brainstorm 170 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.120 with if there's a problem. Just basically good people. I'm lucky that the 171 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.440 majority of the people I over work with us in subby's or different trades on 172 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.639 jobs. They're all now we've worked together so long. They're friends of mine 173 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.440 more than you know, more than coworkers. And when it is your friend, 174 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.000 if it's your friend, who's your plumber and you need him on a 175 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.960 job, you can bring him up and put a bit of pressure on him 176 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.759 and say, listen, mate, you know on aga you're going to do 177 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:03.960 me a right favor if you can get in here tonight. I know you're 178 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.360 busy, but if you could call him for half hour after work, and 179 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:09.159 just if you could do that, then we can push the job on tomorrow. 180 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:11.879 And if they're your friends, you can get away with that, can't 181 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.399 you, Absolutely absolutely sure? And the same sort of question to you that 182 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.519 what are the kind of things you look for in Subby's co workers? Yeah, 183 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.960 trade, so definitely the honesty and reliability. If somebody says they're going 184 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.600 to be there, you know, be there unless there's something really out of 185 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:26.919 the ordinary, because it kind of cocks everything up for everybody. I want 186 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.279 them to be passionate abot what they're doing, they said, and interact with 187 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.120 you if there's a better way of doing it, and you can sense that 188 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.240 there are. You know, I work with some really good subcontractors and different 189 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.919 trades and they'll tell you what. I'm an electrician and this is what I 190 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.000 think would look good there, and if you could drive it to this else 191 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.240 so I can get a cable in there. Yeah, and I love that 192 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.919 nobody cocking it up for the next guy coming behind. That's why I'm looking 193 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.279 for like team players that don't just everyone can turn up and think I can't 194 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.039 do my job because you're looking for an excuse to get out the door before 195 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.879 you start, and you just think that's that's not for me. We want 196 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:00.799 to There's going to be problems. There's going to be times when I really 197 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.360 need you, but I won't lie to you. I don't need you there 198 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.200 that day, I'll say it's fine. You know, I won't lie when 199 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.519 I know of other contractors or just saying we just get them there, get 200 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:11.759 it done. I'd rather have that flexibility with them as well. But like 201 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.360 I said, working through the problems, that's a biggie for me. I 202 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.919 think a lot of it boils down to like Sam was sort of intimating about 203 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.240 his relationships, and you build these relationships and you can call on each other, 204 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.840 but it's a two way street. If you're an ass and you don't 205 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:31.080 pay people on time, or you know, you sort of like treat them, 206 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.799 I think you should treat people how you want to be treated. Okay, 207 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.639 it's a bit of a cliche that, but when I started real young, 208 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.360 so I started having sort of subbies helping me. When I was about 209 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.159 twenty one twenty two, I had the gift of the gab and I was 210 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.200 able to get the work. But I needed a couple of chippies and my 211 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.000 brother in law Carl, and he was two years older than me, but 212 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.240 he would jump on with me. And then we got this bloke from the 213 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.320 paper it was a recession in the late eighties the early nineties. He drove 214 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.919 all the way from Essex every day to come and do work with us. 215 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.440 Brett his name was. He was a fantastic chippy, like proper old schools, 216 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:05.840 about ten or fifteen years older than me, had a proper sort of 217 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.039 introduction to the trade. And he came on with us a couple of jokers 218 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:15.720 and we were doing this big pub reefer pro geezer who was a bit of 219 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:16.679 a mad one, but there you go, and it was a great It 220 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.000 was a great job. One day he said to Carl, who is this 221 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.679 bloke I'm working for? He didn't know he's my brother in law. So 222 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.120 it's kind of like I had a bit of an ear on the inside. 223 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:31.200 But what came from that was he couldn't get me because he's not like a 224 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.919 boss, is he He's not like, how could I be a boss at 225 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.720 twenty one twenty two to a guy who's got fifteen years more experienced than me, 226 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:41.480 who's an absolutely fantastic And I think I learned from that age how to 227 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.519 grow a group of people, if you know what I mean, and treat 228 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:50.759 people well. Okay. Something you must never tell a customer, Sam where 229 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:58.159 a spirit level with years ago when I was an apprentice. He was a 230 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.080 plaster on about and he said, and you know when you just never forget 231 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.000 things to you. We was packing that one day and he went to me. 232 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.120 He went, Sam, he said, hide anything that resembles a straight 233 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.159 edge, he said, because the minute we leave this job, he said, 234 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.360 they'll have it out. They'll have it on the doorframes, they'll have 235 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.919 it on the kitchen units, they'll have it on everything, he said, 236 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.720 and they'll come in tomorrow and start saying, this looks like it could be 237 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:26.519 a millimeter out. I love that. I love that. And about would 238 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:31.679 you reckon Suran? Something you must never tell a customer is the materials labor 239 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.919 splood. Yeah, because you want to make your money. I don't like 240 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.360 breaking it down to the money. You know, that's an element of profiting 241 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.120 there, and when things go wrong it takes me longer. I'm not on 242 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.399 their back every two minutes, say and that's actually it's extra. But that's 243 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:48.240 the price, and that's the materials on the labor. It's one of them 244 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.440 minute can you can you give me a price for it and then break it 245 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.639 down? Yeah, how long are going to take you? So they can 246 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.960 recreate that back to twelve if you want the job done and it's nothing if 247 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:03.480 you love but I love that one. That's a classic. But you're dead 248 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:09.159 right though. We all forget as like artisans trades people, that we're allowed 249 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.440 to earn a profit. And yeah, the clients think what's your day rate? 250 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.039 What's your day but they think they're talking our language. They think by 251 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:16.919 saying, oh, how much is your day rate? Hold on a minute, 252 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.080 I'm working. You're a punter, I'll charge you for the job sort 253 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.919 of thing. And I very rarely work on the day rate, and if 254 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.919 I did, it would be it'd be more money sort of thing. Yeah, 255 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.879 it's a classic. Okay, the best relationships that you'll make in our 256 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:35.399 trade are Sam. I think the two main important ones are, like what 257 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:37.960 we spoke about earlier, are your colleagues and be your suppliers, the guys 258 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.840 you're getting your gear from, because if you can build up a good relationship 259 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:43.960 with them, you'll end up getting better deals. And if you get good, 260 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.519 good relationships with colleagues, you can squeeze, squeeze a little bit more 261 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.799 out of it, out of each other, out of the team. So 262 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:56.480 yeah, I think that that's fundamental and for you, Sean, the best 263 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.799 relationships you'll make in our trade are I agree with Sam, definitely you were 264 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.200 colleagues bes, you know, being able to bend any and say please come 265 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.480 and do it, get us out there, you know, get some other 266 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.639 spot, and also being able to do that for them. Again the supply 267 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.159 is yeah, because when the deliveries are later, you don't need to be 268 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.320 screaming down the phone swearing it is what it is. But then when you've 269 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.399 got a problem, you can call on them and they're going to be a 270 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.320 little bit more helpful. On the last one, obviously, I want the 271 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.080 customers happy, you know, I want to bump into them, and when 272 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.240 I'm out shopping with the kids and smile and they go, sure, I 273 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:30.559 know this is the kids. You're not cringing and hiding down, And I 274 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.639 are thinking I should have gone back and readjusted all the kitchen doors when I 275 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.759 couldn't be asked, and I've bumped into an insane shouldn't have left the straightage 276 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:42.919 out? No, I agree, I agree. I think it's hard not 277 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:47.120 to disagree with both of you there. You know, you've got to keep 278 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:51.200 your subby's, your staff, the suppliers especially, I think you're dead right 279 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.279 there because if you call them and say I need something tomorrow, more likely 280 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.799 to do it, aren't they. You know, pay the pay your bills 281 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.759 on time. I also think it's really key to have good relationships with your 282 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.000 accountant, people that you really rely on in terms of advice. You know 283 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:11.160 and value those relationships because I reckon that the most when I'm thinking back through 284 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.799 my career and the awkward situations I've had with regards to buying and selling property. 285 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.440 The core people like your lawyer. Having a good relationship with a really 286 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:23.680 good property lawyer, for example, or a really good financial advisor or a 287 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:30.000 mortgage person is absolutely essential, you know, in the long term, as 288 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:34.599 well, so, yeah, let's not overlook those The Carpentry Show on fixed 289 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:40.599 radio. You're listening to the Carpentry Show. I'm Robin Klevick with Sam Thomas 290 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.440 and Sean Matthews, and we're doing a little bit of a fill in the 291 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:47.720 blank exercise about our trade. Sean, the hardest thing about working in the 292 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:52.279 construction industry is, I think the economic climate at the moment. I know, 293 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.559 I keep going back to, but the interst rates. I really do 294 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.359 think unless the government sort out you know, the cost of borrowing and then 295 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.720 eventually our work, you know, we're going to really feel a pinch. 296 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:07.640 I agree with you there, Sam. The hardest thing about working in the 297 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.480 construction industry in the UK is for me at the minute, and it's probably 298 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.880 only the last few years I've started to think about it is the strain on 299 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.079 our bodies. Yeah, and none of us again, none of us as 300 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:19.559 much as we'd like to think where we're getting a bit younger in this where 301 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:23.160 none of us are, and you just kind of think that it does creep 302 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:27.319 into my mind out how many more years have I of going on as I 303 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:33.799 can go on to I absolutely agree with you there. And even though there 304 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.880 are some new technologies like the Festal exoskeleton, the Exoactive that's coming out, 305 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:44.279 which I actually have one on test, and people have put something on socials 306 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:45.440 and I've been ribbed for it as well, you know, people saying, 307 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.799 oh, you turn up on site with that, You're going to get laughed 308 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.160 off site. But I'm telling you, I'm fifty three. I need to 309 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:55.319 work. See, I'm at least sixty five. I've not got a massive 310 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:59.880 pinch or anything like that. And I used to tax ceilings, you know, 311 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.680 last all seeings with my arm up in there all day long holding those 312 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:06.240 boards. And with that exoactive you can do It's not that you can do 313 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:10.000 more, Okay, it's not going to lift heavier weights. It just takes 314 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.640 that strain out and or you know, the next day you're definitely not aching. 315 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.599 So I do think that some of the new technologies are going to help 316 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.759 us. I think the hardest thing about working in the construction industry. One 317 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:23.039 of the hardest things is keeping our tools safe, keeping our stuff safe, 318 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:29.480 our materials safe, whether it's the weather or tool theft is absolute nightmare. 319 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:33.079 So there you go. So one thing we could do better as a trade 320 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:37.200 and an industry, Sean is, I'm really clean and tidy in our work, 321 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.279 but I think I see so many trades that are sort of leaving mass 322 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.720 everywhere, which winds customers and continually gives us a bad names. So as 323 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.160 you mentioned building work, people cringe and think my house is going to be, 324 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.480 you know, like a war zone. Yeah, it's very true. 325 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.440 Sam. One thing you think we could do better as a trade and industry 326 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.039 is is in our game, especially introducing more people into it, which we 327 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.319 touched on last week. But yeah, I think we are running out of 328 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:08.920 skilled labor. Yeah I would. I would concur with that. I think 329 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:15.000 that one thing we could do better is definitely training. I think there needs 330 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.200 to be a much more joined up approach and also I think we need to 331 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.599 champion the career a bit more. But what holds me back is the fact 332 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:27.200 that the job security or the job in security is so you know, if 333 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.240 you've got a son or I know you both, you've got a son, 334 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.480 You've got a son, you know, do you ask yourself the question do 335 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.799 you want them to have to go through your work in life? No, 336 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.440 you'd probably want them to go and have some job security, have an annual 337 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:47.960 salary, six weeks holiday, health insurance, potentially a coupley and all those 338 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:49.720 things. Would you you're not in a way here, you're not doing away 339 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.319 in the studio. So I do think that, yeah, that we need 340 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:59.079 to change the way things are done. We need a bit more respect from 341 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:02.240 industry. I think people you know, if you go to Norway, the 342 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:06.960 carpenter's really respected. In Germany, they're really respected. They earn very very 343 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:11.680 good money, similar to a doctor or a lawyer. And I think we 344 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.519 need to have, if possible, that kind of thing here. I'm not 345 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.799 saying we're going to take the mickey out of people, but it just needs 346 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:22.160 to be a little bit better. Okay, So Sam, the thing that 347 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:26.319 worries me about the future of construction and our trade is is the cost cut 348 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:30.680 inside of things where especially in these these massive companies that are doing It's like, 349 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.920 for instance, all the new builds where you know everyone's trying to make 350 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:38.400 a profit. But I think there comes a fine line between profit and safety, 351 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:42.119 or profit and quality and quality and cost cutting and stuff like that. 352 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.319 And it's not so much sort of the one man bands, but I think 353 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.960 these bigger, the bigger companies that are doing a lot of these, say, 354 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.480 for instance, the new housing estates and stuff like that. I think 355 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.680 the quality is suffering because of the of their cost cut inside of things. 356 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.799 Yeah, do you know what they call it? Value engineering? They you 357 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.599 know, they don't. They won't use the term cost cutting or profiteering or 358 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.480 raising our bottom line for the shareholders. They got it value engineering, which 359 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.640 basically means the cheapest rubbishy timber that they can find, which is useless, 360 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.720 and they want us on the price to go and stick it up. Then 361 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.240 they'll come around with the straightage that we talked about and say the walls not 362 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:21.160 straight, the timbers use this, you know, And yeah, you're right, 363 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:25.319 and we're the guys that's taking it on the chin. Sean. The 364 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:30.079 thing that worries me about the future of construction and our trade is a really 365 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:36.359 valid point. But again going back to the lack of apprentices and the lack 366 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:40.000 of structure bringing the young people up through the industry. You know, you 367 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.839 mix that up with you know, the bad economy, and like you said, 368 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:47.160 to young people, they're not encouraged to come into the game as much 369 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.920 as they should be because maybe the financial rewards are not there for the for 370 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:52.880 the masses sort of thing. You know, if you do manage to make 371 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.440 it, you can make decent money. But there's a lot of people that 372 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.440 don't. I know. You know, this makes me think about mental health 373 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.839 in our industry. You know, everyone's talking about health and safety. We've 374 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.200 mentioned that in our little community today, didn't we Where everyone's talking about health 375 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.000 and safety this, health and safety that, and then they know how many 376 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.640 people have potentially lost their life through an accident in construction, and I think 377 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:21.920 someone poignantly said that actually they have no real record of how many people have 378 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.000 actually taken their own life due to stress working in the building trade, the 379 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:32.160 financial suffering that sometimes you have to go through. So yeah, that's really 380 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:37.880 a really good point. Okay, then back to a bit more fun Sam. 381 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.480 I think being a carpenter it's a great career because I think we're lucky 382 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.160 in the fact that we should always be able to get a bit of work. 383 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.440 There's you know, hopefully there's going to be no computer that can take 384 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:55.480 our work AI. Yeah, well hopefully not in our life. So yeah, 385 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:57.839 you know, i'd like to think that we'll always be in demand with 386 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:00.839 a little bit of luck. Yeah, I would like to agree with that 387 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:06.200 and Sean, I think being a carpenter is a great career because I think 388 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:10.039 the variety where it can take you. I started off obviously through my apprenticeship 389 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.319 and did the normal type work, and I've built loft conversions, I've done 390 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:15.880 kitchens. Are now in the l latter end of my career. You know, 391 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.440 I'm refurbishing a twelfth century castle. Yeah, that sounds amazing, as 392 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:25.440 get much more varied than you know, sort of restoring Queen Anne's skirt. 393 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.440 Skirting in the bedroom is crazy, you know, So the variety. And 394 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.640 again, if you get in, you get back at what you put in, 395 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:34.160 you know as be willing to work hard and get my head down and 396 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.440 try and learn your skills. And if you're that type of person you get 397 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.759 into this trade, you know, it's an open book. I would agree. 398 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.000 I think being a carpenter is a great career because, yeah, you 399 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:49.640 get some really good job satisfaction. In fact, the satisfaction of making something 400 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:56.079 far out weighs the reward financially. I think when you can wear yourself out 401 00:24:56.119 --> 00:25:00.160 in ten hours building a structure or something, and then step back, you 402 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.240 just get this really good sense of achievement. And I think it's kind of 403 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.680 primeval in the sense that hunter gathering, building, creating, making. And 404 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.319 I know for a fact a lot of my clients, who are sort of 405 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:15.200 professional people, you know, lawyers or whatever, they look at what we 406 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.319 do and they and with this kind of like oh, you know, they 407 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.720 just think, Wow, You've got all these amazing noisy tools and great big 408 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.559 hammers, and you're building this stuff. And I wish I could do it, 409 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.000 and they genuinely do. And I look at him, I wish I 410 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.680 could be your bank. Recently worked for a surgeon and I just finished the 411 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:38.079 staircase and he grabbed me and just said, I really admire your skill and 412 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.759 how accurately you cut. And I saw you're a surgeon. He said. 413 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.960 Everything you're doing is on show. He said, I stitch them up and 414 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.799 it grows back. I love it. What an honest man. Okay, 415 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.960 let's finish with some word association. Next, you're listening to Fixed Radio, 416 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:59.880 the Builder station Fix Radio. I'm Robin Clevitt wrapping up today's carpentry show with 417 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.720 Hello Carpenters, Sam Thomas and Sean Matthews. So let's end this show today 418 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.640 with some simple word association So what I'm going to basically do is say one 419 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:12.039 word and you guys are going to say the first thing that springs to your 420 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:15.599 mind about our trade. Okay, when I give you these, I'll start 421 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:19.440 you off. I'll say hard work, and I'll say every day, Sam, 422 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:26.000 hard work some customers. Yep, Sean, hard work never killed anyone? 423 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.039 Well, wont hurt you should be bad. It probably has killed a 424 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:37.480 few people. Okay. Rewarding I'll say mostly rewarding, Sam, can be 425 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.880 rewarding Sean. Yeah, when you when you've got it perfect, when you 426 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.279 get it as perfect as you can. Yeah, that that's rewarding. Okay. 427 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:49.519 A similar word to that, worthwhile I would say, yes, it 428 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:56.039 is fairly worthwhile Sam. Worthwhile, I'd agree worthwhile and Sean, worthwhile? 429 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:59.920 Can you add to that for jobs worth doing? This is worth doing? 430 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.079 Well, so yeah, it's worthwhile. Oh this is a classic frustrating. 431 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:08.519 Absolutely. There are so many frustrating things. I mentioned weather, I mentioned 432 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.880 tall theft, but it's even things like, you know, things not turning 433 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:18.359 up on time, so frustrating, Sam, Yeah, along with it's many 434 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.480 other trades that frustrate me. More to do with my trade that something, 435 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:26.079 something's either holding you up or stopping you doing something. Yeah, plasters spring 436 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:32.599 to mind, love it sean frustrating overpaid electricians. Definitely frustrating leaving a mass 437 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.359 paid all that money, you can't even be asked to tidy up. Oh 438 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:40.440 I can't agree there, because Colin is my sparky and best friend. He 439 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:44.279 is so tidy. I think I learned how to be tidy after he's seeing 440 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.279 We always got a little carrier bag and you know where they make all their 441 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.079 ends off, and there's all those little tiny tales of part They don't go 442 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.680 up the vacuum or anything, but they all go into a little bag and 443 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.440 everything. So I do think that in my case, I'm lucky that. 444 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:03.240 Okay, the next word is money, and I will say after that, 445 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.759 the first thing that comes to my mind about money is it's a necessity that 446 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:14.079 we can't avoid and it is the thing that drives most pressure in my life 447 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.680 and possibly a lot of other people's lives as well. Sure, money, 448 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.200 yeah, always, you know, we could always do with a bit more 449 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.319 of an enforce the society and we're in you know, it is money driven. 450 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.400 But yeah, obviously we need need to be paid a little bit more 451 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.000 for what we're doing. Yeah, agreed, worthwhile it's a difficult job, 452 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.400 should be recognized absolutely, and Sam money, yeah, money, Yeah, 453 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.480 we're all at the end of the day, we're all driven by in it, 454 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.400 but I try not to let it be my keeper. Yeah, and 455 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.519 I and I echo that you mentioned that in last week's show about you know, 456 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.000 how you get the work life balance right, and I think that's really 457 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.880 good. Coming onto the next word, stressful, Yes, it can be, 458 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:02.319 but I think that it depends on us as people. So Sam, 459 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.160 stressful if you let it. It can stress you out too much if you 460 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.319 let it, so just try and take a step back and don't let it 461 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.599 stress you out as much as it could. Stressful, Sean, definitely. 462 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:17.000 But then it's managing their stress and sort of doing all you can in preparation 463 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.799 to avoid these, you know, stressful situations and not lose your rag overy 464 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.920 you know. Yeah, manage our stress absolutely. And the next word is 465 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.759 fun. Yes, we've talked about banter on sites. We often talk about 466 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.839 banter, and I think that the camaraderie that you have. I sometimes look 467 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.160 forward to going in No innight, I'm going to see a particular person because 468 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.279 the last time I saw them. We had an amazing fun you know, 469 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.440 eight hours of banter with someone. Gary, my heating engineer, is the 470 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:52.680 funniest person on the planet. Yet he doesn't have much personality and if he 471 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.000 probably will be listening. He loves listening to fix. But when I say 472 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.000 that, he knows I'm joking, okay, because he's the most funniest person, 473 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.680 and he's the person I often say things like, Oh, that looks 474 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.599 all right, it'll do until the proper guys get here. But he said 475 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:08.319 that to me. I think I was making an oak staircase, and it 476 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.200 was one I put a lot of effort into his abuse where everything was really 477 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.680 on point, and he turned up and he just walks past, sort of 478 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.279 glances at it and says, well, I suppose that'll do till the proper 479 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:19.880 boats get here, you know what I mean. It's things like that that 480 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:25.559 he says. So Sam fun always always, and it's I think if you 481 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.079 can't go to work and have a laugh at work, then you're in you're 482 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.759 in the wrong job. Absolutely sean fun, the camaraderie with you with your 483 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.039 workmates. To know, I've been stood in the gazebo with my other chippy, 484 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:37.599 you know, both of us with one hand holding it down, trying 485 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:45.000 to the other laughing water going shouldn't be laughing. You think this is terrible? 486 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.759 Oh love it? Okay, Now this is a really interesting one for 487 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:55.160 you listeners out there and anyone else in the studio. Producer Jack and social 488 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:59.519 media. Okay, I better answer this one. And I think that social 489 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.599 media can be the root of all evil and it's also a fantastic place to 490 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:08.000 share knowledge and thoughts. Sam, social media, you uncatch me on it. 491 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.599 I know, I knew that was gonna be your answer, Sean. 492 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.759 Social media. Yeah, it's a double edged sword. I think. I 493 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.759 feel like we need it, but there's there's a limit, and not all 494 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.559 what you see on social media is what it actually turns out to be. 495 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.720 I've come across a few people have come across the glossy images and the reality 496 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:30.359 is not that. Okay, So social media is a double edged sword. 497 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.920 We all know that, don't we. We really do. I personally think 498 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.400 that sharing knowledge via social media providing it is your own knowledge that you're sharing, 499 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.319 not a copy of someone else's knowledge just because you're better at filming and 500 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.519 editing and someone else. But okay, So last, but not least, 501 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.279 the word of the moment. This is the carpentry Show, and the word 502 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:55.279 is carpentry first thing that springs to mind. Please Sam Kings of the trade, 503 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.559 absolutely, and Sean carpentry, if it was good enough for Jesus, 504 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.000 is good for me. And tell everyone Sean what you have on the side 505 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.920 of your van. Please, the logal on the side of my van is 506 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.839 the best carpet does since Jesus and my prices won't crucify you. Oh, 507 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.160 I think that's an Absolutely. You will have to post a picture up to 508 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:19.359 prove to people about that. And carpentry, I would just say, for 509 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.640 me, it was it's been my life, okay up to now. Came 510 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:28.200 into it just because I was kind of directed to construction college. But I 511 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.839 did lightwood. I did like working with timber, and I'm thankful that I've 512 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.920 been able to build my own house for example. You know, we've done 513 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.039 our own houses up and stuff like that, and I often look back think 514 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.079 I would have never have been able to do this without these skills because I 515 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:46.440 couldn't have afforded to do it. So what we lack in salary, we 516 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:51.000 gain in being able to do our own houses. I think. Okay, 517 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.440 so that is it for today's show. Guys. It's been amazing. Thank 518 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.240 you so much, Sean, cheers, Robin, thank you so much. 519 00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.279 Sam, thank you for having me. Hopefully get you back on again in 520 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.240 the future so you can hear this again from ten pm with more great music. 521 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.119 You can download it as a podcast search The Carpentry Show wherever you get 522 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:14.359 your podcast online.