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hear you. Welcome everybody to tonight's
live stream. As you guys know,

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it is me and David Patrick Harry
tonight, and we're gonna have a good

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time. We are going to cover
We're both diving into this furious issue.

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I mean, the Internet has just
blown up the last year with the topic

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of red Pill, Manosphere, feminism, dark Triad, right game pick up

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artists, top g, Rollo,
Pearl, you name it. This is

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the whole Internet talking about it.
And He's covered it, I've covered it,

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and I imagine we're both going to
be covering it pretty heavily in the

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near future because it's so hot of
a topic, and hopefully we can arrange

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maybe some debates and discussions. I
think you're trying to get something going with

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Rollo, and I do want to
give a shout out to Rollo, because

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tonight I'm going to be covering with
my buddy David here the paper that he

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did a live stream about. It's
called signaling virtuous victimhood as indicators of Dark

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Triad personality. So if you guys
know about the red Pill or the history

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of pickup artist, the net that
niche. Then you know about the dark

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triad. You know about this characteristic
which is the three try. The triad

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is Macabellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy. So we're not going to spend the

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whole night on that and how that
relates to what they call virtuous victimhood and

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virtue signaling through victims status and why
that's an advantage. We're gonna get into

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all that in a minute. We're
also going to be talking about David's live

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streams that he's done on the phenomena
of red Pill and the different characters and

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the pros and the cons and so
where do you want to kick it off

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tonight because you've done You've done a
stream, I've done a stream, and

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I know we're gonna be doing more
streams on this's what's on your mind?

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First, I guess to get into
it is for those who aren't aware kind

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of what the man of sphere and
the red Pill is, because a lot

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of it and I think that's the
misnomers. I do want to debate and

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get into the sphere and debate people, but we probably agree with a lot

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of what they talk about and so
a lot of the ills of the world

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right now, me and being disenfranchise, what's called the lost boy generation,

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looking for role models, trying to
find status in a place to to find

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themselves. Really in the world we
can all agree with. We can agree

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that, you know, talks about
a ginocentric worldview, basically that the world

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is being oriented around women. Don't
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say, our critiques as traditional Christian
men is going to come to what why

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would somebody become high value? What's
the point of being high value? What's

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the point of getting these virgin,
pure women? What's the point of a

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man in society? And I think
that's where the red pill in the manosphere

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kind of is too myopic, and
it kind of deals with really important issues

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for men right now. But they
you know, you'll hear anybody who's been

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really into rollo stuff. They'll say, oh, red pills of praxeology is

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not an ideology, and of course
they have no philosophical understanding that you know,

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red pill is not engineering and mathematics. It's definitely an ideology. It's

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built within presuppositions of how men should
be or how society should be, and

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how the society is so manosphere is
really blown up, as even Rolos talked

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about the mantosphere that really got going
with the game and in the whole late

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two thousand's, early two thousand teens. It's very different now in the twenties,

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post twenty twenty, it's a whole
new thing. And obviously the Tates

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Yep, Neil Strauss, I got
that book actually too. I got my

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Game Bible right here. You got
your Bible. I'm gonna be a Bible

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fupper. I'm a Bible fupper,
but it's the game Bible. And I'm

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just joking. Yeah, I've got
a lot of those books over here to

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just sitting around and I read I
read Rollo for many years, and I

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read Return of Kings. I read
you know, Ruci's site for many many

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years. So you know, I
know this, uh domain, I know

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the thought process, and it's it's
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kind of laying out at the beginning. Is there's a lot of pieces of

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the puzzle that they have. Yeah, and and and when we get really

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precise, I'll even go so far
as to agree with Rollo's point against like

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Jordan Peterson because I was listening to
a really long stream that he did,

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and he was critique in Jordan Peterson, not on everything, but just on

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certain areas. Like when Jordan Peterson
continues with that sort of it's really an

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annoying trad con position that it's time
to man up, buckle, man up.

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And it's like, well, now, wait a minute, as a

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classical liberal, what's the motivations for
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I supposed to man up? Right
now? I thought Rolla has a really

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good critique of that. Maybe we
can talk about that later. That's getting

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really precise, but yeah, but
yeah, so like tell us more about

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like when you encountered manosphere and what
what do you what did you think it

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was because it used to be first
red pill was like conspiracy stuff. Then

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redpill became men's issues, and it's
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different things. Well, I think, and that's what you know. You

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hear redpill back in two thousand and
sixteen with Trump, and it had to

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do with, you know, almost
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new World Order and that there's a
larger agenda in twenty twenty being based in

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Red Pill were synonymous, and it
seems like red Pill because of the explosion

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of the manosphere, it's basically been
totally oriented around male female relationships at this

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point, and so the red Pill
then is trying to fix the sexual dynamics

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between men and women and the twenty
first century. And you know, you

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look at somebody like Kevin Samuels,
who's now passed away. I don't know

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if you're familiar with him. He
was an African American man down in Atlanta

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who he blew up on the scene
he had. I remember I watched a

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few videos. This was like early
early twenty twenty he had. He was

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in the low thousands, maybe twenty
thousand subs or something like that, and

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then within just a few months he
was over a million subs. And he

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would start to have women on and
he would ask them questions about, oh,

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what do you want, what's your
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you? How much do you weigh? Was your face look like when you

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get out of the shower, And
then he would just give them a reality

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check. He's like, lady,
you're five five and you wait too an

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pounds, You're not gonna get a
man who makes six figures and this blew

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up on the Internet because he was
given like this dose of reality to women.

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I would say Rollo is still probably
the pre eminent manosphere redpill promoter.

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I would say he's probably the most
articulate. He's probably got the best arguments.

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But now there's all these quacks and
in these young guys on Twitter.

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You see them, they're like showing
their lambo in the Bugatti or I mean

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not the Tates specifically, but other
guys, and they're like, oh,

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yeah, I got this girl last
night. She had a fiance and yeah

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I fucked her right in the club
man, you know, hive out in

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it. And it's like, dude, what like this this is supposed to

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be the manosphere. Now it's just
like these men that are totally hedonistic and

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they're just it's just like now about
a numbers notch and getting many many as

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women as you can. And it's
like, well, what is the role

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of masculiney? What's the role of
men? Is that? Is that why

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people should bragg And I've seen this
before, bragging about how many virgins they

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sleep with. And it's like,
as a religious man, I don't disagree

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with their even assessment on what a
high value woman is, submissive, feminine,

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fit, pretty pure. Don't disagree
with all that stuff. But then

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why are you also sleeping with girls
that are virgins? And then you're criticizing

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girls for being only fans and having
high body counts. That seems contradictory if

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you're not going to marry them,
why are you sleeping with virgin girls?

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And so it's like the manosphere,
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saying that Rollo says this, but
generally speaking, as a cultural phenomenon,

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it's bridged into the whatever podcast Pearly
Things, who Are Friend? Rachel Wilson

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has been on really talking about feminism, and so it's weird. It's like

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this, it's a new space to
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people haven't been able to express and
that's why it's just exploding like wildfire on

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social media. Yeah, but even
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phase or cycle of this was I
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that we're doing the Pua Frank tgmacky
stuff into two thousands, but like mystery

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and like and Rollo was first kind
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and then when when Rusche return of
Kings and you know his stuff, that

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was really kicking off, like twenty
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that was starting to get some traction. And forget I forget what year the

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game actually came out. But there
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came about, which was men's rights. So men's rights came about because a

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lot of the legal system was seen
to be extremely disadvantageous to men and bent

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against any of the arguments of the
men or the fathers in those situations,

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always just well, women are always
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right, which is complete nonsense and
I mean just crazy stuff. So there's

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the men's rights element of it that
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there was the Spearhead and there was
a guy I kind oft remember the name

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of the There was a or doctor, doctor somebody, and he ran the

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Spearhead website. And I used to
listen to all these podcasts, I read

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all this stuff, and then red
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men's rights, and then and the
social dynamics stuff and conspiracy stuff because originally

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as I know, you know,
but for those that don't know in the

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audience, the red pill is from
the matrix. I mean, yeah,

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it goes back to a total recall, but the popularization of it is the

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matrix where you know, Neo has
a choice between is he gonna wake up

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to how the world world really works
or is he going to stay in the

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system and take the blue pill.
So it had to do like you said

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back then in the two thousands,
with Federal Reserve and the stuff that Alex

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was talking about and all that kind
of stuff. So it's kind of been

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an amorphous, elastic thing that's been
able to be pasted on a bunch of

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different things. But it is really
surprising to me that it kind of made

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its way back in the last couple
of years. But I did watch an

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interesting Rollo video where he makes the
argument that actually, this the red pill

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thing actually goes in a cycle,
and so there was a cycle of it

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before you know, twenty sixteen,
back in twenty twelve thirteen, when you

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know, Russian return of Kings is
really popular and there's gonna be another cycle

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of all of this. After he
says that after the election, you'll notice

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a lot of these people who will
gain a lot of influence and traction.

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He's like, after the election,
the next election, they'll die away and

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they'll disavow it. And he made
a good point to Canvas. Oh and

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I didn't even I forgot this.
I actually remember this because she she used

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to go on Ralph back in the
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red Pill Black. That was her
handle on Twitter. So she was doing

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doing red pill issues and then then
she transitioned into being basically just a political

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commentator, right right. Um,
not that I care. I don't care

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whether she talks about politics or whatever. I'm not knocking her. I'm just

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saying that this is what this was
the trick she took, and so a

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lot of and Rollo's making a good
point much I think it's true, is

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that he's saying that if you watch
a lot of these red pill people,

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they're going to disavow red pill after
the election because they're riding a wave to

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get popular, and then they'll transition
into being political, normy conservative commentators because

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the cycles happen in the past.
And I think that's really important to notice.

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Because I'm not calling anybody specifically out, I don't really care what other

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people. I don't know people's motives, and I'm not an interested in judging

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people's motives. But what I do
know is that this is a recurring pattern

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that a lot of these red pill
people right now will transition into just being

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normy political commentators after the next election. And so you can tell there is

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going to be a there's there's a
grift phase that goes on. As what

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I'm trying to say, That's what
I was gonna say, a lot of

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grifters in this sphere, and and
that's why I partly I want to get

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into and you too. I'm sure
it's just to kind of debate some of

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these guys because it's kind of built
on saying their houses. Now. Again,

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a handful of people like Rollo have
been there from the beginning and have

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gone through all these different various phases. Like you said, it was conspiratorial

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moved into men's issues, and the
manosphere as a title was actually a derogatory

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term created by feminists to describe all
these men talking about, as you said,

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men's rights and men's issues, and
this has just blossomed and grown,

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and especially in the last three to
four years, where it's I mean,

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as we were talking about in Nashville. I mean, this is like the

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hottest topic on YouTube now. You
can't scroll YouTube without your YouTube shorts or

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YouTube clips from what all these different
podcasts would be Pearly Things or Fresh and

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Fit or Rollo or the whatever podcast. It's in your face, it's everywhere.

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So this is clearly one of the
hottest topics and something that people want

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to talk about. It's because people
can't have good relationships right now and we

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can get into it. And I
think that's going to be partly tied to

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secularism and the way that culture is. And I would argue, and if

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I was to debate somebody, I
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to. I was supposed to debate
Spencer Cornelia tomorrow night on The Crucible.

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He's got a big YouTube channel that
exposes like fakes and frauds and stuff on

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marriage. He says men shouldn't get
married. And I was basically going to

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grant him all his premises and say, yeah, if you're secular, probably

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not a good idea, because how
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woman that you can actually trust?
You know? And what's the point of

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the relationship. That's the other thing
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you know, you get married to
have a family. You get married to

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commit not just a legal but a
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you're gonna be with him for eternity. That's a little bit that's totally on

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a different level than the manosphere in
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I was gonna he backed out of
it, but we were gonna supposed to

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do a debate tomorrow night that I
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or not, but I grant them
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the court systems, divorce courts,
child custody, all this stuff,

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it's all oriented against men. The
bigger question then is why. And this

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is where I would have a beef
with Rollo, somebody pointed out because he

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had that viral tweet to say it, you know, don't get married,

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don't have children, and get a
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value man. And that implies even
though Destiny and Sneeko try to push him

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on, well, what is a
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reluctant to define and said, well, everything's contextual meaning relative that I would

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say, no, there are objective
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value man is, and we can
get into those here in a few but

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quick question. So the guy that
you I'm not familiar with, the person

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that you're talking about that you were
going to have to debate with, now,

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is he migtowel Because migtowl kind of
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which is like so out of the
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there's sort of eventually became these schisms
and divisions to where there's the sort of

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the the men's well, there's men's
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know, pickup artists, social dynamics, here's how to make you into a

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high value mail guys. And then
there was the division of what would become

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migtowel slash in all guys who have
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I want you know, literally right
like because some of those some of

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those popular channels from a few years
ago, I don't know if they still

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exist, like poop Flinging Monkey and
Barbara Rosa or whatever, like they became

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full on like never get It's actually
bad to get Mary period. Having any

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sex relations is actually bad. We
should have sex bots literally, So that's

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the course that some of those you
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So is that is this a guy
who's which camp? Is the guy

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you're talking about? No? I
think no. He has a prominent YouTube

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channels, like four hundred thousand or
something, and he basically exposes like fakes

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and frauds, tac cheeps, hustlers
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stuff like that. That's how he
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he's kind of developed the friendship with
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people. So he's kind of dipping
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don't know his personal story. I
believe I haven't watched all the stuff that

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he has gone through a divorce,
and so he's like he looks like he's

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in maybe his mid thirties or maybe
later thirties. I'm not so he's you

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know, still got a lot of
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probably grant him any of his premises. So I don't think he's migtawel per

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se. And that is, like
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the blue pill, which is a
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which means you know, you're awake
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the black pill, and that's becoming
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the far right wing. This usually
gets into almost racial stuff, the black

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pill, because there's nothing for him
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you have the men going their own
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Spencer was part of one of those
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that we find, you know,
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coach Greg Adams or various people telling
men, oh, don't get married,

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don't get married, don't get married, you know, have a girlfriend or

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spin plates have multiple girlfriends. And
again, the point I would ask is,

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well, what's the point of sexual
relationships, what's the point of getting

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married in the first place, And
it's going to get to family creation and

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then it's gonna get to what's best
for children and all these other things that

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I think that they just don't focus
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you know, it's more about male
female sexual dynamics and why it's all falling

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apart. And it's a fact it
has fallen apart. I mean, you

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luckily haven't been single recently, but
glory to God, I have my fiance

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and we'll be getting married soon.
But dude, it's terrible out there with

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the only fans. And this is
where again I grant them mannosphere in the

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red Pill. Look at these girls. Look at the young girls at ore,

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dating age from from eighteen to thirty
five or forty. It's terrible narcissism,

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self absorption, social media, and
people overlooked that a lot of the

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girls too are on pills and SSRIs, which isn't a big issue too in

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birth control, which totally all the
pharmaceutical cocktailer. Yeah, yeah, and

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and there's multiple studies that shown that
birth control makes women basically choose more feminine

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men. And then you know,
there's I think even Canda's owns did a

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whole thing on this about how she's
against birth control and talking about all these

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rates of divorce where women they'll be
on birth control, they'll get married to

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this guy, then they have to
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They have a baby, and then
they look at this guy and they're

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like, oh my gosh, I'm
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going to be the provider or the
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then they feel totally unhappy with the
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it's true, seventy five of all
racial demographics women initiate divorce. So again

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granting the manosphere in the red pill, like, what's the upside of getting

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married? Well, it depends on
where you're coming from and what is the

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point of these relationships and yeah,
so we can begin to define. I

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have a handful of things, just
defining again the presetup level, like what

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is the red pill? And the
red pill is well, hold on before

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you get in that, I have
a question for you. I have a

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question for you about some of the
previous discussions that you've made that I think

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is actually really relevant for what we're
talking about tonight, because I didn't even

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realize it until like a day or
two ago that the stream that we planned

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on doing before got postponed. I
was feeling like crap. I had like

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a bug, and it ended up
being that we're doing it tonight on Father's

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Day in America, which is hilarious
because I mean this is right the patriarchy

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day. So you know, the
feminism succeeded through a lot of things,

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through a lot of money and a
lot of support from very wealthy families,

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oligarchs, foundations, think tanks,
and so forth, and just the sort

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of inherent virus nature of leftism and
all that that it was able to sort

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of worm its way into all of
our institutions. And one of the ideas

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behind it, which we'll get into, i'm sure in a little bit,

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is not just the idea of a
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Also this idea that there are no
boundaries and the patriarchy is bad because

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somehow follow logocentrism is it creates boundaries, and that's bad because boundaries limit you.

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Man, you'd be whatever you want. I can identify as an attack

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helicopter if I want to man it
right, So literally, I could be

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anything one day identify as something else
the next day. And that's the root

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of this idea that there are no
limits or boundaries to reality. There's no

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metaphysical essences of things things will have
natures. We can determine whatever they are

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from our own postmodern magical thinking perspective. So tell us why boundaries are actually

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good and why they're absolutely necessary to
function at all, and how that's connected

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to patriarchy to men. Right,
So again, what if you get into,

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like what is the role of masculinity? And as you pointed out,

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Jacques Derrida and his famous book Grammatology
says, well, it's this thing that's

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the central pillar of Christianity. It's
he called foul logo centrism, privileging the

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foulest masculine principle, logo centrism,
looking at a logos worldview oriented worldview and

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focusing on the center, the middle. And he said, what we got

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to do to undermine this is focused
on marginalization, and we have to take

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the marginal and make that the center, take the center and move that to

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the fringes. And anybody's watched commercials
nowadays would probably see that's exactly what's going

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on. And this is how he
believed it would undermine the patriarchy because he

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thought, again, the patriarchy upholded
boundaries and moral structures, and we needed

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to erode those and so when we
look at our society, the boundary between

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men and women dissolved, the boundary
of nation states dissolved, the boundary between

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man and machine dissolved, the boundary
between man and animal dissolved. That we

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see what I would argue is a
henosis. Is a neo platonic term for

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really a different understanding what we would
consider theosis. It's like this dissolution of

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all boundaries, so everything becomes unified, and this is supposed to be the

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endpoint of mystical of the mystical process. And I would say, no,

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this is like a Satanic Everything is
one, Dude, is one. Dude.

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I just did biggest hit ever.
I saw everything as one, which,

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oh wow, you came to the
realization of what every ancient pagan religion

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ever said, everything's one. Yeah
right, it's really deep, dude.

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But yeah, this actually has consequences, like you're saying right that the working

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out of this leads to social destruction, and a lot of people don't realize

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that this stuff can be weaponized and
can be used to break down societies.

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Of course, we talked with our
friend Rachel. You know, in her

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books she talks about the occult roots
of feminism and witchcraft. How a lot

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of women's liberation comes out of witchcraft. And you know, you couldn't have

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the crazy, insane postmodern denial of
all essences and boundaries that we have today

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without prior without having feminism first.
So feminism prepares the way for the destroying

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of all boundaries by first destroying that
notion of the boundary between legitimate roles for

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men and women. Right which rightfully
so that both Rachel and Andrew Wilson point

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out is that it has to do
with men. Feminism only existed because men

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granted the rights. So this process, and that's where I point that it's

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the whole it has to do with
men allowing the boundary to dissolve. You

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can still point to the Islamic world, and this is not an apologetics for

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Islam, but it still maintains its
patriarchy, and the men are still then

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in control of our society. So
the Western man has slowly given away the

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boundaries. And something I've spoke with
even Father Peter Here's is that I equate

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this with the fall Adam simping for
Eve, Adam turning his back on God,

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the true patriarchy, that true maintaining
of the boundaries, whether it be

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King Ahab and Jezebel, men simping
and choosing, like sexual pleasure and the

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sexuality of women, over its relationship
with God, over these higher callings,

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these transcendental values. This is what
allows us to begin to dissolve these boundaries

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at a societal level. How did
everybody choose this? And so the boundaries

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are essential, and so men always
maintain boundaries. That's what war is about,

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That's what defending your home is about. That's what value structure is about.

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And so shout out to all the
fathers out there for Father's Day.

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And that was one of the things
that I would level at the manosphere and

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the red pill people is like,
what patriarchy are you a part of?

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You see, we're Orthodox Christian.
We're part of basically the last patriarchy in

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Christendom, the true patriarchy going You
could argue all the way back to Abraham.

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What patriarchy are you a part of? Because they want to criticize feminism

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or some of the moral indecency of
contemporary women. But it's like, bro,

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I'm part of an institution that goes
back ages that is this is our

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This is our worldview. You're doing
this as an isolated, atomized person like,

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it's totally less effective and you're not
part of any actual patriarchal tradition.

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One of the elite texts that I
was just reading, I'm charmer which one

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it was, It was actually discussing
that present day Islam has not yet completely

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capitulated to the Western geopolitical strategy of
pushing feminism. I'm trying to remember which

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text it was. Now, that's
not a concession to Oh, therefore,

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Islam is Baysed and trad bro because
actually the documents it just said that we

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haven't gotten to them fully yet,
will eventually get to them, and the

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Irania is that, of course,
went a lot of Islamic people who end

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up in the US or in the
West, they actually, just like all

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the other immigrants, in a generation
or two, turn into totally Americanized individuals

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as well. So the document wasn't
conceding that Islam is trad and Baysed.

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It's just saying that we haven't gotten
them fully on board with what we are

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pushing for the whole world yet,
but we will, right and they believe

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that they will, and the Islam
and that's one of the things that I

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would argue that it's probably and this
I mentioned this Montanica to Bishop Maxim that

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I said, you know, really
the greatest threats to Orthodoxy, it's not

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atheists. Anybody's still thinking that atheists
are gonna like convert and apostis highs the

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Orthodox like you're you're out of touch. The biggest threat to people in Orthodoxy

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is people that believe in the occult. And I think Islam's gonna grow because

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Islam is going to be this place, especially for these mano sphere type young

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men. Well, well, you
know, I'm just enfranchised in the West.

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I have no social status. But
you know, uh, you know,

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if I've become a Muslim like Sneako
and uh you know, I'll get

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my virgin bright exactly. Yeah,
they'll get their virgin bright. They don't

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have to do anything. They just
have to submit to Islam. And it's

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like, bro, that like that's
not masculine either, that's just another form

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of consumerism. That's just a kumer. It's like, Bro, The point

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is, and I agree with the
Mantis where you gotta work on yourself,

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but this is where theology and actually
taking philosophies here. I think this is

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part of masculinity as well in regards
to spiritually leading somebody. So again we

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can get into anywhere you want to
go at this point. But well,

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one last point on Islam there,
which is that so at a lot of

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the recent manosphere individuals, obviously the
largely because of the Tape acceptance of and

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I know it's I don't know exactly
if Tristan has fully accepted Islam, but

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I felt recently with the did you
see the Patrick bet David I've not Christian,

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still says he's Orthodox Christian, so
he has a fully excepted and Andrew

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as a Muslim has actually pulled back
on some of his stuff. So it's

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no longer get the ferrari to escape
the matrix. He's saying, Okay,

404
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:37,400
you gotta do he slowly in that
interview again I was listening to he's kind

405
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,599
of changed his tone on a little
bit of issues that I would argue are

406
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:44,400
a little bit more closer to our
side of things as a traditional religious person.

407
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,119
So again I don't know the sincerity
of his hard I'm not here to

408
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,400
talk about their faith Orthodox or Islam, but just about what they say and

409
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,640
how that ripple effects and culture.
Well, one thing that somebody had a

410
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,240
good critique of it might have been
you, and I can't remember who was

411
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:06,839
critiquing the reasoning of some of the
tape interviews where he was talking about why

412
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:12,960
excepted Islam. It was essentially the
same psycho theology of Jordan Peterson, where

413
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,280
God is a concept that really is
the exemplification of my self help strategy.

414
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,559
Right, It's like, well,
dude, that's not what God is.

415
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,000
And so it seems like he was
sort of saying, oh, Islam will

416
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,760
function as this for me, as
a way for me to put God into

417
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,760
a system that allows me to say, well, I'm this because that allows

418
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,840
me to you know, do better
in life and to get bugattis or whatever

419
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,519
I mean. And I know Jordan
Peterson doesn't say that the purpose of the

420
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,559
the God archetype or whatever is to
get you bugattis, but he basically has

421
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:52,239
a similar idea that God is this
sort of archetypal thing that helps you in

422
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,320
the psychological process of working out your
issues, not an actual personal God.

423
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,719
That's the key thing, right,
Yeah, it's a ttilitarian approach to religion

424
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,119
exactly so. And so whether it
be, and and I could see multiple

425
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:07,920
factors for Andrew. Again, I
don't know as hard so I'm not here

426
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,199
to claim what his intentions were,
but just as an outsider, I could

427
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:17,000
see that if you were him and
you were being investigated by the Romanian government,

428
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,199
um, and you had all this
money, and you had all these

429
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,000
dealings with the Middle East, and
they have their own banking system and the

430
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:27,760
West are trying to de bank you, it makes sense why it would be

431
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,760
very pragmatic to become Muslim, because
now you have access to an entire economy

432
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,280
and social system that isn't trying to
you know, put you in jail and

433
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,880
deebank you, but actually allows you
some type of maintain your status, and

434
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,360
you become an idol for the entirety
of the Muslim world. And by the

435
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,800
way, yes, so people in
the chat, you're right, Uh it

436
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,280
was it was. That was Jim
Bob's stream critiquing uh JBP and Tay,

437
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,920
that's right, that was his that
was his argument. And that's a really

438
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,159
good point because if if God is
just a conceptual thing that we can make

439
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:07,320
it into whatever we want to,
you know, make us into self help

440
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,679
bros, then that has nothing that's
not that's is basically nothing right, that's

441
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,199
that's not a god, that's just
a that's just another self help path.

442
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,760
And so it's like, like David
said, it's it's just utilitarian. So

443
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,280
now, uh, you said you
had a list of five things that were

444
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,119
ready, yeah, to find like
what the red pill worldview is, because

445
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,039
you know, we do philosophy and
theology, so I always like to see

446
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:35,840
what the paradigm is. And and
so the red pill is built upon evolutionary

447
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:44,039
psychology, evolutionary biology, and evolutionary
understandings of sociology. And so it's already

448
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:50,559
rooted in a in a structure that
really doesn't give you moral objectivity. It

449
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,360
gives you, Okay, this is
the way it happens, and this is

450
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,159
how we evolved, and this is
why women like this and uh me,

451
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,639
as an orthox Risian, I don't
believe in mac revolution. I think it's

452
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:06,000
actually a nonsensible worldview. I can
get on on board with the idea that

453
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:10,239
people evolve based on niches, but
mac revolution the leap between species, there's

454
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,960
no evidence, I mean, no
series academic even maintains that because the probability

455
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,000
does even a match up well one
thing I would say on this point is

456
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,920
that I agree with you there about
the transmutation of species. I don't think

457
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,039
that's a very sensible or coherent theory
at all about the origin of life and

458
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:32,400
whatnot. However, we as I
think, I don't know of anything in

459
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:37,679
orthodox theology or in our system that
would contradict the notion of adaptation. And

460
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:44,440
so what I think a lot of
what evolutionary psychology is studying in particular is

461
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:50,000
precisely adaptive strategies of different societies and
cultures. And I think all of that

462
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:54,079
information is one percent totally relevant.
If you look at the interviews that doctor

463
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:59,199
Edward Dutton does, who he basically
he doesn't come at this from the red

464
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,679
pill perspective, comes at it from
the academic perspective. He's done a lot

465
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:06,840
of interviews where he basically just makes
all of these same points with nothing to

466
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,280
do with like the red pill manisphere. He's just making the points from the

467
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,239
data and from the papers that you
know, there's these there's certain tendencies in

468
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,639
you know, women to do this. There's certain tendencies and certain cultures for

469
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,119
like, for example, he had
a really good discussion on witchcraft as a

470
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:30,400
survival mechanism for really basically ugly nasty
hose. Okay, so when they when

471
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,119
they weren't part of society and they
and they couldn't get a made I already

472
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,840
agree with you. They when they
couldn't get a mate, they would turn

473
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,079
to these practices that and somehow they
thought empowered them or maybe gave them contact

474
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,320
with another group of a coven.
Right, so they found community when they

475
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:52,079
were sort of no longer part of
the mainline community. And a lot of

476
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,760
those individuals would be you know,
unattractive women who couldn't find a mate and

477
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,039
whatnot. So this is why we
get the archetype of the ugly hag,

478
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,960
right, because she's the witch that
and she's always childless and she's uncry.

479
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,199
Yeah exactly. And so we see
I did a whole stream on the archetype

480
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,119
of the old hag, and we
see that is almost the modern woman.

481
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:15,480
They just haven't aged that far yet. Um. It's it's somebody who's usually

482
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,000
you know, not at the point
where they're the old hag with the big

483
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:23,760
nose and the witch hat, but
usually sexually promiscuous, unmarried, no children,

484
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:29,559
pursuing their own will. That's what
magic is anyways, So it's like,

485
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,920
well, geez, it looks like
that is agreeing with the mantosphere in

486
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,559
the Red Pill. That is the
contemporary landscape for most women. Um.

487
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,960
I'll recommend for those that have not
heard it, go listen to doctor Dutton's

488
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:49,280
analysis of witchcraft and feminism. It's
a fascinating evolutionary psychology approach to this.

489
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,119
And I would also say too that
there's a lot of information in what they

490
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:57,800
call just evolutionary biology. Again,
evolution can mean different things, guys.

491
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,000
So if if we're referring to the
study of how the species evolves to adapt

492
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:07,400
to different circumstances, there's nothing unorthodox
about that. That's different than a theory

493
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:12,079
of origins that everybody came from a
single celled organism and that all of the

494
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,559
species somehow mutated out of this single
cell origin and it's all atheism. And

495
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:19,559
that's two different things. Now for
a lot of people that are connected but

496
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,559
there's no necessity, but they're not. It's important distinction. Speciation is not

497
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:28,000
mac revolution. Those are two separate
processes of which we have. We have

498
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,320
evidence for speciation, and that doesn't
go against the creationist worldview. It actually

499
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,960
makes total sense, but mac revolution
I would reject that outright. So the

500
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,679
red pill worldview is built on evolutionary
psychology, biology, and sociology. They

501
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,039
often referred to It wasn't familiar with
the doctor you mentioned, but doctor David

502
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:52,599
Buss and doctor Godsid they refer to
him a lot. Then it gets into

503
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:59,239
the ginals centric order. And this
has to do with the idea that we

504
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,280
live in a world in which there's
a war on masculinity and that everything is

505
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,760
sort of rigged against men and in
favor of women, which I don't totally

506
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,719
disagree with. Where I would push
the mantospheres, I would say, well

507
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,719
why is that why? It's because
I would argue, it's ultimately getting out

508
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:21,880
of spiritual reality to move us towards
a one world inverted order towards the end

509
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,679
times, which has to feminize men
and get us to become less virtuous and

510
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:31,440
give away these boundaries. And so
the gnocentrism is part of it. Evolutionary

511
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:36,880
psychology hypergamy is a big part of
what the red pill is. This idea

512
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,440
that women are always trying to get
their best option, which again I don't

513
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:43,840
disagree with. And again if I
have a daughter, I want her to

514
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,480
get with the best man she can. So this is where I would almost

515
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,519
push back on, you know,
some of the red pill guys that and

516
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:52,159
I'm not saying Rollo is one of
these, but you could see the people

517
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,000
who watches content, Oh women are
hypergamist women hyper Yeah, Well, I

518
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,920
hope my daughter gets the best man
she can. What's wrong with that from

519
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,719
a female perspective? I don't see
anything wrong with them trying to get the

520
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,480
best man that is available as a
suitor for them. So hypergamy is a

521
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,679
big part of it dating up.
And so Rollo breaks this down into what

522
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:19,679
he calls beta bucks and alpha as
you can imagine, or beta needs and

523
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,199
alpha seeds. And it has to
do with beta's For a woman in hypergamy,

524
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,480
she is look, she's always analyzing
two assessments. One he calls the

525
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,880
beta needs, which is protection,
parental investment, and provisions what they can

526
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,559
provide. Then women are, he
would argue, balancing this with their hypergamous

527
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,920
nature with the alpha seed, which
is men that are physically fit, attractive,

528
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,480
and have the best genetics. And
so women then are trying to put

529
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,800
their he argues, they're trying to
choose the best suitor based on the beta

530
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,840
needs what they can provide, and
then the alpha seed who they actually are,

531
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,880
and trying to get the best man
somewhere in between the middle there.

532
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,880
I read a book one time,
just interject on that, and I want

533
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,280
you to keep going with this list. But I read a book that was

534
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,039
really good on the the biological components
of this, which was talking about the

535
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:17,239
different sorts of signals that male and
female members of very species do. So

536
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,079
basically, this is for for all
mammals. Right, There's certain traits and

537
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:30,199
certain patterns that you'll notice that they
biologically give off to attract or to h

538
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:32,199
you know, get a mate.
There's some obvious ones. You know.

539
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,400
We think about peacocking, right,
this is the term that the red pill

540
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,280
master uses for trying to show out, to show off. Right, Peacocks

541
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,920
do this. Spiders do this.
There's spiders that will like build a they'll

542
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,000
do a little dance. Have you
seen that little spider and he's doing this

543
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:52,800
attractive mate? And so there's nothing
inherently wrong with this because we're all I

544
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,719
think all of us sort of biologically
wired obviously to want the best possible mate

545
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,440
in all of the criteria, and
that's true for men and women. There's

546
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,840
nothing inherently weird or bad or wrong
with that. It's it's a biological hardwiring

547
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,639
that we have, right, And
there's a sort of a misnoe worth the

548
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:12,159
peacocking because the book the game,
as you pointed out, mystery the pickup

549
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,119
artist, you know, he's like, where the most outrageous hat or the

550
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,000
most outrageous shirt you can wear,
or you know, don't wear shoes to

551
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:22,840
the bar, do something to like
drastically stand out too, For he would

552
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:30,159
consider peacocking to make yourself noticeable to
women. But peacocking or making yourself noticeable,

553
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:32,199
it doesn't have to be that extreme. I mean again, just by

554
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:38,320
being well dressed, fit, look
people in the eyes. These are ways

555
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:43,039
that you can stand out in the
twenty first century. So yeah, again,

556
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,119
I like you said, these are
nuances where most of the time we

557
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:50,440
don't even disagree with them. It's
just like bringing it back into a sort

558
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,159
of a middle path. Well,
one point I would make before you do

559
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,320
the next one is that so a
lot of the people that we're talking about

560
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,719
and the information that they put out, they're not interested in actually giving a

561
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,760
philosophy of life or a totality meaning
or any kind of ethical grounding, and

562
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,480
not everybody has to do that.
But the problem is that if you're going

563
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,199
to predicate a lot of your critiques
of modern society and feminism and the you

564
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,920
know, gynocentrism on ethics and morals, we need to know a grounding and

565
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,440
a basis for ethics and morals exactly. And most of these people don't believe

566
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,360
in any grounding and ethics and morals. They end up being relativistic. And

567
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,719
the problem is that if if that's
the case, then there's no reason why,

568
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,559
really you have feminism is bowed or
wrong. It's just as valid as

569
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:39,760
your relatives. So they basically fall
back into a power relations dynamic, which

570
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,400
is the leftist position, which is
that there is no truth or falsehood.

571
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:49,159
It's all power relations and oppressed or
oppressed dynamics. Oh, you nailed it.

572
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:51,920
And that would be exactly if I
was debating a mantosphere guy and they're

573
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,440
making these arguments, I would say, Bro, you're the only fans chick

574
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:59,719
of masculinity, Like, you're the
one that has no objective standards, You're

575
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,960
the one has no moral standards.
And I think that perspective kind of open

576
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:10,840
that floodgate when Leela Rose, a
Catholic conservative content creator, sort of criticized

577
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,760
Justin Waller, who's a big friend
of the of the Tates, really handsome

578
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:21,280
guy tall has his own construction business. Millionaire, so he's got all the

579
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,199
things that the people are looking for. And he was talking about, Yeah,

580
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,199
I want to get married, I'm
gonna have a wife, and she

581
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,519
said, well, you say you
want to get married and have a wife

582
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,159
and have children, but you're also
going to have girlfriends. Don't you think

583
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,639
that's contradictory. I mean, you
talk about all this discipline and working,

584
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:37,679
but then you don't want to have
discipline regards to like a faithful marriage.

585
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,000
He's like, well, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not wired that

586
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,480
way. I try to have I
try to be monoga if I'm not wired

587
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,760
that way. And it's like,
bro, that's a cop out. Like,

588
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:51,119
if you're gonna have children, then
you can make you could make an

589
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,360
argument for what's the best way children
can grow up and it's not by seeing

590
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,280
their dad have a bunch of girlfriends, because that's only going to cause more

591
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:05,360
conflict with maybe amossi between children and
father or father with wife. So you

592
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,559
know, like they don't have an
objective standard to make their arguments and they

593
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:12,800
are giving prescription. One of the
guys was upset, this is a praxeology,

594
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,079
not an ideology, No, bro, Like, shut up, you

595
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:20,239
don't even know what you're talking about. Even if it is like okay,

596
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,079
but at some point we're gonna need
some explanation or basis for grounding the morals

597
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,800
and ethics. Right, So yeah, it's fine if you want to give

598
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,920
just a praxeology, but if you're
going to start making these totalizing universal claims

599
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,360
about this being bad, this being
horrible, this being manipulative, deceptive,

600
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,159
Okay, why is it wrong to
be a moral manipulative and deceptive? Right?

601
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,159
Deceptive? Right, So we gotta
we gotta have some kind of grounding

602
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:51,400
for the ethical claims or else nothing
now of this is going to get off

603
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,360
the ground. And we can't avoid
metaphysics either, as I'm sure a lot

604
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,840
of these people would like to do. Again, we're just gonna I'm sorry,

605
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,519
but we're gonna be in the domain
of philosophy when we start talking about

606
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:07,199
good versus bad. The good is
on the one hand, both ethical and

607
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,920
metaphysical. Right. In classical philosophy, the good relates to being, it

608
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,039
relates to what is versus what is
not, versus negation. Those are all

609
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:20,000
just heavy, heavy, you know, philosophy terms. So we're gonna need

610
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:22,880
more than just saying what's the data, what are the papers the data?

611
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,280
And uh, you know, just
get what feels good for you, Bro.

612
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,519
I mean, it's got to be
more than that, exactly because I

613
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:35,559
would say that's feminine, that that
that's very feminine. That's exactly right.

614
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,320
It's consumeristic. It's like, bro, the man produces more than he consumes.

615
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:45,800
And the boundaries which we establish in
our own lives help define us.

616
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,960
That's the point is and where this
is where I would agree again with part

617
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,800
of the mantospheres that men have to
make themselves. Women are born with a

618
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,320
sense of innate value because they can
give birth to children. Men, you

619
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,920
know, we're disposable. That's why
we die at war. We we're the

620
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,440
disposable sex. But that means you
have to make yourself, and you define

621
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,840
yourself and make yourself through the discipline
that you put on yourself to develop.

622
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:15,159
Whether it's like you and your philosophy
and all your knowledge on theology. That

623
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,320
took a lot of time, discipline, and effort, but that's what defines

624
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,199
it. May no matter what.
You could be a mechanic, you could

625
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,320
be a plumb it doesn't matter.
But that's what it means to be a

626
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,559
man. And so this this hedonism
that they put forth because they have no

627
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:30,880
objective morality, I would say,
it makes them like the women they criticize.

628
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,880
Well they often they'll point out too
that, oh, you know,

629
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:43,960
the society that's uh gynocentric is necessarily
egalitarian and collectivists, which it is right

630
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,320
because it is. However, on
what basis then am I supposed to prefer

631
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:54,639
the atomized individual classical liberal society.
Now maybe the classical liberal individual society is

632
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:58,239
better, but you're not going to
be able to tell me how it's better

633
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,679
on your systems. All you can
ever say is because it's gonna give you

634
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,199
more feely points and more pleasure points. So why is that better? Says

635
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,440
who? Why it's this arbitrary?
And that's where, like you pointed out,

636
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,079
it gets back to power again.
Anybody who's studied philosophy knows this is

637
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,719
the state of twentieth century philosophy.
With FUCOT, it comes down the power.

638
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,400
There's no longer objective truth and that's
why you listen to some of these

639
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,880
guys. And I'm not talking about
just the main figures, just the rhetoric

640
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,199
within the live chats. It's the
women are the enemy. And it's like,

641
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,280
Bro, you've fallen into the same
paradigm of the women that you're trying

642
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,920
to criticize because they think the men
are the enemy. Oh, the radical

643
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,440
feminists, Well then, and I'm
I'm not trying to say they're misogynists or

644
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,039
anything that gets thrown out way too
much, just generally on the internet,

645
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,280
but now they've totally have this contempt
for women, and it's like, Bro,

646
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,119
you're not gonna get a wife that's
gonna submit to you when like you

647
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:58,000
just you know, make fun and
mock every woman that you see because you

648
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:01,880
are deep down hurt because you've been
rejected so many times because you haven't put

649
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,480
in the work to become a man
worthy enough for a woman to submit to

650
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,119
you. Yeah, well, this
is just the male version of the feminist

651
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:15,480
slash fat acceptance flash. You know, gross creature who is rather than I

652
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,480
mean, it's means a lot of
vice is involved in this. One of

653
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,480
those is sloth. Right. Rather
than self improving, rather than doing the

654
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:30,400
work that I need to do to
make myself better, I'm going to instead

655
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:35,280
blame society for not accepting me and
for my own you know, failures and

656
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,119
lack of success. I know it's
everybody else's fault. And so now I'm

657
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:43,400
going to just constantly sort of try
to feel better about myself by spending all

658
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,360
my time on the internet just dissing
you know, only fans, chicks or

659
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,320
something like that. Like right,
that that all that is is a concession

660
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,719
too. Also the feminine society that
you're criticizing, that's a feminine approach to

661
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,119
things, right, It's a it's
an approach that says, it's a passive

662
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,599
aggressive I'm gonna hide by the keyboard
and just diss everybody all day long when

663
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:07,639
they're in reality, it's because you
are you failed, and also you're lazy.

664
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:15,199
Right, And I would even tie
that mentality with um like social justice

665
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,000
worries, virtue signaling, and even
in the orthosphere, piety signaling. These

666
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:24,639
are ways in which people can like
try to achieve competency or status without actually

667
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:30,000
engaging in those things by by signaling
them. So okay, I'm not very

668
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,599
masculine. Well then I'm gonna I'm
gonna brate women and talk about how only

669
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:36,599
fans and how all these girls are
horrors and stuff like this. It's a

670
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:42,519
way now I can establish my masculineing
behind my little handle online. And you

671
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,920
know, I think this is a
real problem. It's the scapegoating, whether

672
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,079
it's whatever it is. If you're
if you're scapegoating though, they ultimate masculine

673
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:53,480
thing to do. It's just as
Jocko. Willing said, take more responsibility,

674
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:58,239
radical responsibility. Everything's your fault in
your life, so now deal with

675
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,519
it. And that's going to get
you to put your life in order.

676
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:06,159
Even if everything in your life is
not your fault one. At a certain

677
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:10,360
point you have to come to the
realization that nothing out there is going to

678
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,519
ultimately I'm not talking about in the
religious selvific sense. I'm just talking about

679
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:21,639
in your own personal improvement. Right
nothing out there is going to get you

680
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:24,239
the thing that you're after, or
that you want or that you need.

681
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,960
Right, well, I want to
I want a better job, I want

682
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,199
this, I want that is if
you bitching complaint, is it going to

683
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,440
come to you. No, it's
going to take you changing your situation.

684
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:37,440
It's just like the people. It's
like fat acceptance is the best example of

685
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,639
this, because it's like, you
can't change society to say, oh no,

686
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,960
this way of living is actually healthy. No, no, it's objectively

687
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:51,599
not healthy. And so to engage
in a political crusade to try to get

688
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:55,639
society to change its standards so that
you can be unhealthy and then delude yourself

689
00:53:55,639 --> 00:54:02,840
that you're still healthy, that's actually
a form of victims status, which actually

690
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:06,880
suggests here's the crazy part, which
is paper blew me away. I mean,

691
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,440
I think we kind of sensed this, but when I want you to

692
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,639
finish your list there, but when
we get to this paper. What's amazing

693
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:19,559
about the paper that we're talking about
tonight. The signally virtuous victimhood as indicators

694
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:22,119
of dark Triad personality is that most
of the time people think, oh,

695
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:29,360
the dark Triad, that's the manosphere
player pickup artists who are using their dark

696
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:36,400
dark Triad skills to get women in
to manipulate. Actually, now that can't

697
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:44,400
happen. But actually, the typical
manifestation of the dark Triad is consistently seeing

698
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:51,960
the paper argues in people who do
not just virtue signaling, but virtuous victimhood

699
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,960
virtue signal, that's a whole other
layer to where, yeah, to where

700
00:54:55,599 --> 00:55:02,079
the individuals who are not just virtue
but actually virtus sigling their victim status,

701
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:13,599
they most often exemplify and consistently exemplify
the dark triad traits of machiavellianism, narcissism,

702
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,679
and psychopathy, the very opposite of
what is actually the case, right,

703
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:22,000
because they're always saying, oh,
you know, I'm I'm a good

704
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:27,760
person, I'm the victim. I'm
oppressed. Think about the video that we've

705
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,559
talked about a few a few times
in the past few days, which is

706
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:36,840
where the Pearl was arguing with the
women on the Vice clip. Brittany Sellner

707
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,960
did a video on that clip as
well, and at a certain point when

708
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,679
Pearl says something, the portly feminist
woman says, I don't have to Basically,

709
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:51,639
I don't have to listen to you
because you're pretty privileged. I didn't.

710
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:55,880
I didn't get pretty as a privilege
growing up, and so that makes

711
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,559
me a victim status and my opinions
are now better. I'm a more moral

712
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:07,239
person than you because you're privilege,
so immediately flipping it into oppressed or oppressed

713
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:15,199
dynamic, I guarantee you the persons
saying that has Machiavellian narcissistic, psycho psychopathic

714
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:20,159
traits, like we see with most
of these feminists and these activists right the

715
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,519
leftist activists right there, they're they're
the ones that have the actual Marchiavelian narcissistic

716
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:32,079
psychopathy traits. And the more they
are narcissistic, Machiavelian and psychopathic, the

717
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:39,280
more they signal their virtuous victims status. Right. In related to that,

718
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:45,320
you know, orderliness and cleanliness are
associated with godliness, virtue, and as

719
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,960
boundaries dissolve, men become more feminine, society becomes more chaotic. And if

720
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,039
you listen to these people say,
they're like, oh, well, men,

721
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,000
men know they want to erect boundaries
because it has to do with their

722
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:58,159
ego, their ego, their ego. And it's like, well, you

723
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:02,119
start looking at society and maybe the
fact we're dissolving boundaries and men are less

724
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:05,880
ego focused to some degree. Now, it can obviously go off the deep

725
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,800
end for sure, but it's caused
more mental instability. You look at women

726
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,239
and men and their mental health is
all over the place. And I would

727
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,360
say if society was more ordered and
less chaotic, we had more structure and

728
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,920
more patriarchy, mental health would go
down because people don't know how to deal

729
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:29,239
with the chaos that they're seeing everywhere. And you know, so when you're

730
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:32,599
talking about the dark triad, to
me, that is going to continue to

731
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:45,239
rise as masculinity continues to be you
know, demonized. Yeah you have the

732
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:46,400
dread pill. Yeah, I get
through all five and then I'll do some

733
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,599
more of this paper. Go ahead, okay. Um. Another thing that

734
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:54,519
they really talk about is again the
uh, the dual mating hypothesis, which

735
00:57:54,519 --> 00:58:00,519
gets into the hypergamy, so short
term physical fitness, sexual attractions, long

736
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:04,760
term and the investment of resources.
One of the things that you'll hear if

737
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,880
you listen to like the Fresh and
Fit podcast, which really is just Myron

738
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,000
the head guy there on Fresh and
Fit. All he does is regurgitate Rollo

739
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:17,119
Tamassi. That's all he does.
He brings in basically sex workers and sugar

740
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:23,599
babies in Miami. They come on
his podcast and they just say the same

741
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:28,320
thing every night. They just get
women that are totally and you know,

742
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:31,239
obsessed with themselves and you know,
usually horrors that are engaged in some type

743
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,199
of sex work. And then they're
like, show J you're not going to

744
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,440
get the high value man because look
at your body count, how many people

745
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:44,760
you slept with and X y Z. And they always say men love idealistically

746
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:50,880
and women love opportunistically, meaning men
have this idea that they're gonna lock down

747
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,639
a woman and she's gonna be true
to them for their life and they don't

748
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:57,119
have to worry about it and they
can just focus on their stuff, where

749
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:01,079
women are constantly gaining hypergamus look for
the best opportunity to be with the best

750
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:07,519
mate and and so that's another part
of this rhetoric again just defining the worldview

751
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:12,159
of the red pill. And then
it gets to the sexual marketplace value.

752
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:16,800
What is sexual marketplace value? And
so this gets into how what is a

753
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,440
high value man? And so for
Kevin Samuels as a man that had a

754
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:27,199
career that made six figures, that
was somewhat in good shape. Other people

755
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,840
won't put such strict categories, like
Rollo won't define it as any particular thing,

756
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,519
but usually the red pill is always
describing a high value man in regards

757
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:38,159
to what you'll hear some people say, oh, it has to do with

758
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:43,280
money, muscles, and game.
So your money, your fitness, and

759
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,039
then basically your charisma, your ability
to socialize, your ability to lure people

760
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:52,840
into your sort of social web.
And so the sexual marketplace value then is

761
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,480
a man as he gets older.
The idea is that a man has very

762
00:59:55,519 --> 01:00:01,239
low sexual marketplace value in his early
twenties because he hasn't defined himself again through

763
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:05,920
the discipline in the boundary erection,
so he has to then work, work,

764
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,880
work, and then basically they'll say
a man in his thirties to forties

765
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:12,559
is the prime of a man's life. And he then if he does,

766
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:15,880
if he works well and works to
the best visibility, he'll be successful somewhere

767
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,400
around let's say thirty three to thirty
five, and then he can look back

768
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:23,239
and he can get a high sexual
market value woman, which is going to

769
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,480
be younger between eight, you know, somewhere between eighteen and twenty four.

770
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,039
There they'll talk about low body counts, pretty feminine, submissive, and willing

771
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:36,400
to fit into your frame, which
we can get into frame. And I

772
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,360
actually really support the conversation on frame
because that's one of the problems even with

773
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,320
our Orthodox brothers, is really having
your life together that a woman can come

774
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,440
and help you do what you do. If you don't know what you're doing,

775
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,639
how can you have an eve?
Eve is there to help you.

776
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,239
But you have to then have a
frame, as I like to use the

777
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,119
metaphor, you have to have a
boat. That is, you have to

778
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:00,320
be you have to set sail,
you have to be on your way to

779
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,719
a destination that then she can come
and help you. So um, they

780
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,280
talk a lot about frame, sexual
marketplace value. I want to let me

781
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,679
interject something at this point, which
is that when you're talking about, you

782
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:16,639
know, the guys in our sphere, this paper is so instructive. Everybody

783
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:21,280
needs to read this paper because as
I was reading it and thinking about,

784
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:27,960
you know, the leftists and the
people in the media that constantly signal their

785
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,320
victims status as a way to increase
social status. The more I thought about

786
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,519
it, the more I realized,
Hey, actually, this is a big

787
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:37,800
part of what is a problem in
the religious sphere as well. It's not

788
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:45,840
just a matter of people that are
politically signaling their leftism victims status to acquire

789
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:51,360
social status. So many people in
the religious sphere are prone to doing the

790
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,760
exact same thing where they want to
signify their spiritual one upping yep on and

791
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,360
nitpicking, and the irony is that
the critique would apply to them. That

792
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,119
in most cases, I would venture
that the people who are actually doing this

793
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:12,119
constantly signaling their victim status and their
virtue status. They're doing this, as

794
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:15,480
the paper says, as a form
of resource extraction. And by resource the

795
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,119
paper doesn't just mean money. It
might mean money, it's saying time attention.

796
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:22,840
Uh, you know, all of
these things can be a form of

797
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:30,519
resource extraction through not just being a
virtue signaler but a victim status. Just

798
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,159
think of, for example, the
way every time Michael Lofton makes a video,

799
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,599
it's always that he's a victim.
For example, a time somebody criticizes

800
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:42,920
him, it's slander. You've attacked
him and you need to repent. And

801
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,679
then he talks about how virtuous and
how great he is. That's the that's

802
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,639
one percent. You'll notice. And
this if you if you follow this paper

803
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:54,199
and you pay attention to the way
so many of the piety signalers which drive

804
01:02:54,559 --> 01:03:00,679
me nuts in the Orthodox sphere because
as well as evangelical sphere, Romancalic sphere,

805
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:05,880
it doesn't matter. All that is
a is a manifestation of macavellian as

806
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,079
a narcissism and psychopathy to get you
to manipulate. It's a manipulation tactic as

807
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:16,920
the paper shows, to acquire social
status and resource transfer. Exactly Amen.

808
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,679
And again we see it in all
sphere. That's why I said that matter.

809
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,079
If you're a virtue signaler, you're
a social justice warrior, you're a

810
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:30,360
piety signer in the orthosphere, or
you're a feminist victim of the world or

811
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,559
your manosphere guy, and your whole
angle is being a victim of the world

812
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:37,239
and how people need to you know, really, you know, relate to

813
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,679
you and care for you because you're
so disenfranchised by the ginal centric order all

814
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:46,239
this stuff. This is not a
masculine approach at all, exactly no.

815
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,119
And that's where as you as well, I know, even within the religious

816
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:55,280
sphere, men use piety to as
you said, acquire social status as opposed

817
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:00,800
to using skill. Well, it's
not even real piety. It's feigned Internet

818
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,320
pie. Yeah, it's not even
real. And it's always public piety,

819
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,440
which is the worst form of piety, which is what Jesus says, don't

820
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,760
do right, go into your prayer
room and pray in your corner. Jesus

821
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,320
says, don't pray on the streets
like the Pharisees, showing everybody how pious

822
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,119
you or that's the worst. And
he said, God doesn't listen to that,

823
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:19,280
so it's a waste of time.
As performative, you have your reward,

824
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,039
he says. And if you read
this paper, you'll notice that.

825
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,000
As the paper says, the thesis
is, I'll read this real briefly,

826
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,400
it says, we investigate in this
paper the consequences and predictors of emitting signals

827
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,760
and victims status and virtue. In
our first three studies, we show that

828
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:43,119
virtuous victims signal can facilitate non reciprocal
resource transfer from others to the signal or

829
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:46,360
in other words, the motivation is, if I can demonstrate not just that

830
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,519
I'm a victim, but that I'm
a virtuous victim, I'm able to extract

831
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:56,360
much more out of you, whether
that's time, attention, social media attention

832
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,840
and empathy, empathy or money.
It might be all of those. The

833
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,159
paper goes on to say, we
develop and validate victims signaling scale, and

834
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:12,960
we combine that with an established measure
of virtue signaling to operationalize the virtuous victim

835
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,679
construct. We show the individuals that
have dark triad traits of macabellianism, narcissism,

836
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:24,480
and psychopathy more frequently will signal their
virtuous victimhood status. And we control

837
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:30,400
for both demographic and socio economic variables
in the paper. So the last point

838
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,320
here, it says, throughout the
site, we show that this is common

839
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:40,039
in Western societies because the West,
through its democratic structure, it argues later

840
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:44,800
in the paper, has actually elevated
victims status to be its own culture,

841
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:51,280
the culture of victimhood, and so
perceptive and machiavellian people understand that being a

842
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,679
victim is actually a way to accrue
social status. In the West, that's

843
01:05:56,719 --> 01:06:00,400
crucial and that's part of that gynocentric
society. Ye, everybody can accrue social

844
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,119
status. Oh, I'm a victim
of a victim. I'm appressed. I'm

845
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:08,920
appressed. Here's what it says at
the end, it says the rest of

846
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:16,320
these studies point out that our thesis
is correct that the frequency of emitting virtuous

847
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:26,159
victim signals predicts a person's willingness to
engage in and endorse ethically questionable behaviors such

848
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:30,599
as trying to earn a bonus or
the intention of purchasing counterfeit products. These

849
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:31,800
are some of the papers that are
some of the tests that they run.

850
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,880
Later on the paper, they give
people these different scenarios to see how they

851
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:43,280
would work, and it says that
the result then is that in most cases,

852
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,960
those who were willing to constantly signal
signal their victims status were also the

853
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:53,880
ones that were the most unethical.
Is the point? Yeah, I definitely

854
01:06:53,960 --> 01:07:00,800
believe that. I definitely believe that. In regards to again just wrapping up

855
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,199
here the red pill, you know, one of the things that I would

856
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:09,800
definitely agree with them is that men
and women went different things. And so

857
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:15,800
part of the stuff that Kevin Samuel's
exposed before he passed away was you talk

858
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,639
to these women, maybe she's okay, she's halfway attractive, she hop fall

859
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:21,039
and he would do zoom things and
he would just allow these women to come

860
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:25,239
in and he would and that's why
people would it was so popular people watch

861
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,599
because he would just blow them out
and almost humiliate them. And so he's

862
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:30,440
like, okay, so how old
are you? Oh, I'm thirty three.

863
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,679
Okay, what are you looking for? Oh, I would need a

864
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,000
I ain't need a man who makes
six figures. He's six foot. He

865
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:42,079
needs to be fit with the six
pack and have a nice job. Okay.

866
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:45,440
How tall are you? Oh,
I'm five foot. How much do

867
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,360
you weigh? One fifty one sixty? Okay, well you're a little big.

868
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,559
How big your address size? Oh, I'm a I'm a ten or

869
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:55,039
something. And he's like, man, you don't even qualify for that.

870
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,519
And she's like, well, I
make I make eighty thousand dollars. I

871
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:01,360
have a job. In the point
is, men don't give a damn how

872
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,760
much a woman makes because that's not
our money. And so if I'm getting

873
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:09,440
in a relationship with a woman,
it doesn't matter how much money she makes,

874
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:13,159
how driven she is with her career, all these attributes that we would

875
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:16,000
consider masculine, that is not what
would consider a high value man would be

876
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,560
looking for in regards to a woman. And so he really put these women

877
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:25,640
on blast, which became really popular
online. So women and men are looking

878
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:30,680
for two totally different things, and
unfortunately, modern women think that men are

879
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,800
looking for the same things that they're
looking for exactly. So then when they

880
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:38,239
market themselves on the sexual marketplace,
they're like talking about the car they drive

881
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,159
and how much money they have and
how successful they are, and they're like

882
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:44,800
interconnection there, the circles they're connected
to inside. I don't I don't care

883
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,960
about you being a CEO. I'm
not interested in. That doesn't impress me

884
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:54,079
at one bit exactly. And so
what a man would be whose high value

885
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:57,359
be looking for is a woman who's
pure, a woman who's honest, a

886
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,720
woman who's young and pretty, a
woman who won to be a mother,

887
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,520
a woman who's submissive to his frame. So a frame is again my life,

888
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,920
my worldview, what I'm doing,
and that a woman needs to accommodate

889
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,399
herself to you. And that's where
even my orthodox brothers, guys, do

890
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,199
not scent for a woman. Do
not be moving or changing your opinion or

891
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,319
changing things about yourself because you want
the attention of a woman that is you

892
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:25,720
fitting to her frame. And I
would say even this gnocentrism, in these

893
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,920
dark triad traits, these are men
actually fitting into a female gynocentric frame.

894
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:32,199
Well, I wanted to make a
point of that. Yeah, So the

895
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:38,520
paper actually notes that the only way
that this could have become a way to

896
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,600
increase your social status in the West, is if the West had already adopted

897
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:49,119
a radical presupposition of egalitarianism, that
everybody is equal, everybody's the same,

898
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:57,039
everybody deserves and has some claim on
everything coming equally right, which is essentially

899
01:09:57,119 --> 01:10:00,399
just kind of fundamental weird kind of
mar Xism of some kinds, some kind

900
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:04,800
of weird kind of socialism, which
is just simply says, who I mean,

901
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:10,760
nature itself doesn't fit everyone equally.
Biology doesn't fit everyone equally. Why

902
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,560
would we think that therefore everything should
come in some sort of equalitarian doling out

903
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:23,000
of everything being fair. That's again
a much more of a a feminine approach

904
01:10:23,079 --> 01:10:27,960
to things right right, based deals
with the kids that are upset. Yeah,

905
01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:32,119
not based on not not the masculine
approach to what's the objective reality and

906
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:35,520
the facts of the matter, right, which are that no nature fits certain

907
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:41,600
people better than others for certain tasks. And by the way, that we

908
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,800
can still have an equality in some
sense in another sense and be unequal in

909
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,800
other senses. So that there's another
presupposition that goes on with this, which

910
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,079
is that, oh all everything must
be one type of thing. So if

911
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:58,560
we're equal, you must be always
equal in every single sense. Well,

912
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,000
we might be equal in the sense
of all posit us in human nature,

913
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,399
but how we exist and have that
nature doesn't necessarily have to be the same

914
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,159
or equal either. I can men
can have different roles from women and still

915
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:13,560
have the same nature, right,
And that's where religious worldview is that we

916
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,000
complement each other. So the idea
that a woman's better with children, the

917
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:18,600
woman is more like you know,
she should stay home, be a stay

918
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:23,640
at home mother, take care of
the house. That's you know, that's

919
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,079
because we're we have different natures.
Men are hunters, gatherers. We we

920
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:30,840
go out and we're more factual.
We're world oriented. We're trying to do

921
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,119
something, build something, find something, and so you know, this is

922
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:38,479
just basic human nature that again,
the world we live in now has totally

923
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:44,239
inverted everything. And so the women
literally market themselves sexually as men, and

924
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:48,600
then the men, you know,
they're becoming more like women. Well that's

925
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:54,560
part of that equalitarian push. And
the paper even notes that. And this

926
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,000
is not it's not trying to take
a stance, it's trying to look at

927
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,079
the data. But the paper even
notes that this whole culture has given rise

928
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:04,760
to the idea of the oppression Olympics. So now whoever can be and demonstrate

929
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,560
the most victim of status is actually
at the top of the goblin totem pole.

930
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,359
And so that's what I was saying
the other night. It was Okay,

931
01:12:12,359 --> 01:12:17,760
so now the lesbian Islamic Jeffrey Dahmer
is at the top of the totem

932
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:23,239
pole because he's the most fringe character. But I mean, so you see

933
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:25,399
what I'm saying, Like, the
logic of that is that I'm the most

934
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:30,119
oppressed because I'm the most fringe.
There's the fewest of me. I'm serious,

935
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:33,840
right, yeah, no, I
know. So the inversion totem pole,

936
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:41,279
then that allows the worst moral people
to then say I am at the

937
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:47,159
top of the totem pole of social
status because I'm the most oppressed because society

938
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:50,760
doesn't accept that I want to eat
people and I'm a you know, a

939
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:56,479
lesbian Islamic cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer person.
Right, well, bro, I just

940
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,359
saw that. What was it was
the ACLU, I retweeted on Twitter.

941
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:05,359
They just posted a thing like yesterday
defending because a man is in prison who

942
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:09,760
is trying to transition to a woman
in the prison, wasn't letting him transition

943
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:16,840
and recognize his pronouns. His crime
was that he is a pedophile, necrophiliac

944
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:23,960
who viciously stabbed a fourteen year old
girl years ago then raped her dead body.

945
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:30,000
I watch out, don't get my
stream taken down. Um but um

946
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:34,840
anyways, uh, he he engaged
in all this stuff and it was totally

947
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:41,560
put to the side, and this
particular organization put out a public notification,

948
01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:47,279
uh, talking about how he was
oppressed. He was oppressed by The paper

949
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:53,720
goes on to say that there are
there's a section of the population that is

950
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:59,520
cunning enough to realize that you can
excuse any of your actions if you can

951
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:04,079
figure out a way to fit into
a victim status niche of society. And

952
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:09,159
it actually points out that for a
lot of the people engaged in the virtue

953
01:14:09,239 --> 01:14:15,720
victims victimhood virtue signaling that they reasoned
that it was that their actions were excused

954
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,279
when they were being deceptive and when
they were engaging in the dark triad traits

955
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,319
because they were victims. You see. So because I'm a victim, I'm

956
01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:30,600
not subject to the normal ethical constraints
and I'm complaining about other people, but

957
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,039
I'm a victim, so it excuse, which is that narcissism of the triad

958
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:38,800
right where I'm not bound by the
rules that I'm applying to everyone else and

959
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,439
I'm my evil is excused because I'm
a victim, you see. And it

960
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,760
goes on to say that that section
of the population that is cunning enough to

961
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,079
figure that out. By the way, this also applies to think about how

962
01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:53,399
FEDS work. Right, feds that
infiltrate right they will do, they will

963
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,760
do and operate the exact same way
like cointelpro and this kind of stuff.

964
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:03,279
It notes that dark personalities can flourish
as social parasites who intentionally attempt to extract

965
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:10,119
the resources of their environments without providing
any benefit. Similarly, Jones, one

966
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:15,279
of the researchers, theorized that predatory
social parasites can use a variety of mimicry

967
01:15:15,279 --> 01:15:21,159
and deception strategies to integrate themselves into
different communities so that they can extract the

968
01:15:21,239 --> 01:15:26,159
resources of those communities, all at
once or over time. The great example

969
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:29,399
of this is, says, are
con men who infiltrate themselves into societies to

970
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,079
do so so basically saying that the
victim signalers are basically like con men,

971
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,960
right, that makes total sense to
me. Just to wrap up the red

972
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:44,560
pill here, just trying to finish
up by talking about the sexual marketplace values.

973
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,159
So therefore, high value men are
men that work on themselves, that

974
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:54,520
attain some type of social status,
success, monetary wealth, and physical fitness

975
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,039
in their thirties, and they're going
to have the most leverage to then look

976
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:01,000
at the highest value women on the
sexual marketplace value, which are going to

977
01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:06,560
be young, low body counts,
pretty feminine, submissive, and all these

978
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:12,079
sorts of things. And so the
women they hit what Rollo Tamasi calls the

979
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:15,840
epiphany phase, which is usually around
twenty eight twenty nine, moving into their

980
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,960
thirties, where they look, oh, man, I've had hot girls summers

981
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:23,000
since I was eighteen and got out
of high school. And I'm looking around

982
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:26,359
and now all my friends have babies, they're all married. I want to

983
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:29,880
get married too. And so the
epiphany phase he talks about is where these

984
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,840
girls become religious or they become self
conscious and they start presenting themselves in different

985
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:38,399
ways, which we've seen with only
fans girls that are already born again Christians

986
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,479
and all this type of stuff.
So the sexual marketplace. I'm only highlighting

987
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,359
that because part of the red Pill
is understanding this dynamic how men attain social

988
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,479
value, how women attain social value, how women are born with it,

989
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:54,439
how men have to achieve it,
have to attain it, and then how

990
01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:59,720
these women then who lose their value
because they go through their twenties and maybe

991
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,159
they're very promiscuous, they're doing the
clubs every night, they're doing you know,

992
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:06,199
multiple relationships. Now they come to
a state where they've become self conscious

993
01:17:06,199 --> 01:17:09,920
of that fact. They're realizing,
man, I need to lock down a

994
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,760
man, and those high value men
don't want those women. So that creates

995
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,119
this whole problem which now we're seeing
in society right now, which we're seeing

996
01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:23,720
like the late twenty thirty year old
woman who can't get married one because the

997
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,800
average man. This is another thing
tied to this is that you look at

998
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:31,399
the sexual like hierarchy, the average
man is totally disenfranchised. Well, the

999
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,359
average woman that he would be with, say two hundred years ago, they'd

1000
01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:38,119
be married and have a family.
She's probably a feminist. She probably has

1001
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:41,720
purple hair like you're talking about,
like the ugly witches, right, Well,

1002
01:17:42,039 --> 01:17:45,039
weren't they supposed to marry Like the
guys that are on that level too,

1003
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,760
Historically they would have been together,
but they're not gonna get married,

1004
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,399
they're not going to have children.
So then these guys who maybe they still

1005
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:54,319
want to get married, but now
they can't. And that's part of this

1006
01:17:54,319 --> 01:17:59,800
whole migtow black black pill section of
men is that they're in a place where

1007
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,720
they really can't see themselves getting out
of it, and so men then have

1008
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,000
no incentive to marry. This is
my my wrapping up the red pill is

1009
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,479
that men have no incentive to marry
because of the divorce, because the ginnocentrism,

1010
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because of YadA, YadA, YadA, And so the best thing to

1011
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,640
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more of a domestic relationship with a girl,

1012
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or if you really want to,
or they'll even give the caveat if

1013
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get married. So that's generally speaking,

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there. So getting back to the
red pill issues, one last thing I

1055
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:14,800
would say about this paper to sum
up, was just that the individuals who

1056
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:19,920
were engaged in a lot of virtuous
victimhood signaling were also very quick to make

1057
01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:25,640
use of any crises, and so
the paper actually notes that they were often

1058
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,079
never let a good crisis go to
waste because this allowed them, as it

1059
01:21:30,119 --> 01:21:33,520
says at the end of the paper, to utilize a tactic. And so

1060
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:39,279
it is specifically a known tactic amongst
these people. Whether they have this consciously

1061
01:21:39,319 --> 01:21:42,479
in their mind is a tactic,
or whether just sort of innately doing this

1062
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:47,840
as a sort of innate scam that
they know about without thinking about it second

1063
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,960
nature. I don't know, but
he says that basically it's the paper says

1064
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:58,960
it's a resource extraction scam for social
influencing and to gain social status. That's

1065
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,520
the key crux of all of this. And how relevant is that to social

1066
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:08,920
media? So if it's a tool
for social influence that is victimhood status,

1067
01:22:09,079 --> 01:22:12,279
you better believe it's going to be
used on social media. And we see

1068
01:22:12,279 --> 01:22:14,800
it everywhere. And once you read
this paper and once you're aware of this

1069
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:19,039
tactic, this scam, you're gonna
notice it all in all everywhere. You're

1070
01:22:19,039 --> 01:22:25,359
gonna notice that the people that are
claiming victimhoods status, that are engaged in

1071
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:33,079
Marcavillian techniques and strategies, psychopathy,
narcissism, that triad is usually amongst usually

1072
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:41,079
what characterizes the people that are mostly
signifying their virtuous victimhood status. Yeah,

1073
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:45,520
yeah, I totally agree with that. And Ze, Yeah, it's all

1074
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,520
over the place at this point our
society, no matter what sphere you're in,

1075
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,439
Really do you want to get into? Where do you want to go

1076
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:56,079
next? Criticisms, general criticisms.
I know you've had a sort of a

1077
01:22:56,079 --> 01:23:00,119
plan for it. I would say, let's begin with, like, for

1078
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:03,760
those listening, what is masculinity?
How would we as traditional Christians define what

1079
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,359
masculinity is? And maybe we can
then go riff off like what exactly the

1080
01:23:08,359 --> 01:23:10,640
mantosphere is talking about? Yeah,
I mean this is kind of what I

1081
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,760
was thinking earlier about a philosophy of
these things. Right, So it's not

1082
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,520
like there's some self evident idea of
what it is to be high value,

1083
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:23,720
to what it is to be high
status, I mean in relation to what

1084
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,399
says who? I mean, what
is that? Right? And so the

1085
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,720
same thing goes with what it is
to be feminine and what it is to

1086
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,800
be masculine. They cannot be social
constructs. They have to be actually existing

1087
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:39,560
qualities or metaphysical realities. And I
think that if we're going to need a

1088
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,399
worldviewer system that actually posits that,
And so I would say, first and

1089
01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:46,079
foremost, that's where we got to
start. Yeah, we gotta have something

1090
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:57,079
that grounds the notion of masculinity beyond
just traits. So being buff okay,

1091
01:23:57,159 --> 01:24:00,560
yeah, that's a masculine trait,
but is that the essence of ualinity?

1092
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:03,000
Attaining wealth? Okay? Yeah,
that's a thing that a man can do,

1093
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:05,560
and it can be a positive thing. It's not inherently bad to have

1094
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,640
money or to have wealth. If
you're going to be in the world and

1095
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,680
have a family, you got to
do that. I mean, even even

1096
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,520
monks ask for money and they gain
wealth. Okay, So it's not like

1097
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,479
there's some realm where oh well,
we don't do that because we're good virus

1098
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,840
Lukell virtuous. So I am as
a Christian, I don't believe in money.

1099
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,640
Yeah, right, Like Paul says, the labor is worthy, is

1100
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,000
right. Even the apostles ask for
money. This is ridiculous. So God

1101
01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:36,439
is not So God is the author
of money? Right? Do people not

1102
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,319
realize that? We realize there's a
lot of principles in the Bible to deal

1103
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:45,079
with money, to deal with fair
weights and balances and proverbs. That's fair

1104
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:50,479
transaction and value. Okay, that's
not inherently anti religious or inherently worldly.

1105
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:55,800
Now, love of money is an
idol and is evil, but money itself

1106
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,800
is not bad, is not evil. So if it was, then there

1107
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,119
wouldn't be the tithes. This is
so obvious. Right, So look,

1108
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,840
money and attaining a wealth cannot be
the essence of masculinity. So these are

1109
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:10,560
traits that would accompany or are part
of masculinity. But there's got to be

1110
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:15,039
something more than any of these traits
that can also be to a degree had

1111
01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:18,760
amongst females. Right. For example, females can be good in battle.

1112
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:24,359
I'm not saying that's what they should
do, but they could be. There

1113
01:25:24,399 --> 01:25:28,159
are really buff women on Instagram,
which I find to be really gross and

1114
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,960
weird. But they can be strong. So is that what character? So

1115
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,880
are they there for men because they're
strong? Now, there's got to be

1116
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:40,840
more than certain traits that we find
that accompany men. Right, There's something

1117
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:45,479
more spiritual, something more philosophical,
It's more theological ultimately, and I think

1118
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:50,800
ultimately goes back to these ideas being
grounded in the doctrine of creation. Man

1119
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:56,479
being created as Adam and Eve.
Right, Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

1120
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,720
Being made in the image of God. First of all, it's what

1121
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:05,000
gives us unique ontology as mankind.
And so this evolutionary worldview doesn't really privilege

1122
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:11,680
they of men and women. So
and I always say, I use a

1123
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,720
metaphor that men are the go ahead. Yeah. One point on that,

1124
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,319
which is that a lot of the
red pill people, for example, the

1125
01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:23,880
manistry of people. They will say
women attained a cunning nature because they were

1126
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:28,800
the weaker sex to survive, and
which, okay, I don't have a

1127
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,880
problem saying that that's true. Okay, So so when women were you know,

1128
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:35,319
in ancient medieval times or whatever maybe
or the think of the Middle Eastern

1129
01:26:35,359 --> 01:26:40,239
world, when women were like property
and they a conquering tribe might take over

1130
01:26:40,279 --> 01:26:43,880
another tribe. And now if you're
a woman to survive, you're gonna have

1131
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,880
to rely on your cunning and not
your physical strength and prowess. Right,

1132
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:54,039
Okay, maybe that's that's true.
But if that's an evolutionary survival trait and

1133
01:26:54,279 --> 01:26:59,079
the feminists are engaging in using cunning
and dark triad traits, as the paper

1134
01:26:59,119 --> 01:27:01,079
notes, then why do you have
a problem with it? Why is it

1135
01:27:01,119 --> 01:27:05,039
bad? Yeah, it seems like
that's what nature is as execued from them.

1136
01:27:06,079 --> 01:27:09,640
Yeah, they they will, they
have no answer for it. And

1137
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,920
that's where ultimately, and we'll get
back to it. Is like I would

1138
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,880
love to ask somebody, after going
through and highlighting like all the ills and

1139
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,479
all the misfortunes against men, this
guyo centric worldviews, say well, why

1140
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,319
do you think that is. Do
you think this is just so happens because

1141
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:29,279
they'll get into like Rollo's talked about
twenty first century thinking verse twentieth century thinking.

1142
01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:31,880
And so with somebody when he tweeted
that vasectomy tweet, they said,

1143
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:36,159
well, that's a great way for
your for your lineage to stop. And

1144
01:27:36,199 --> 01:27:40,680
he said, oh, focused on
lineage, that's so twentieth century thinking.

1145
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:44,039
And I'm thinking, no, bro, That's like what a man thinks about

1146
01:27:44,279 --> 01:27:46,359
is I want to have sons.
I'm the last male of my family line

1147
01:27:47,279 --> 01:27:51,680
and that goes generations just so have
I'm the last one and from my dad's

1148
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:55,359
line, and so I want to
have sons. I would like to have

1149
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,600
multiple sons so that my name and
my genes continue on. That's that's like

1150
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,119
a set, actual innate drive for
men. Men want their lineage to go

1151
01:28:03,159 --> 01:28:08,039
on. But anyways, what I
was gonna say is I always use this

1152
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:13,039
metaphor on my stream that men are
the castle walls and women or children are

1153
01:28:13,119 --> 01:28:20,880
the jewels. And so men being
strong in their values become erected boundary makers

1154
01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:26,279
and they prevent things from taking and
you know, and let's say pillaging the

1155
01:28:26,359 --> 01:28:29,479
jewels the women and the children.
We look at our society because we're so

1156
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:33,520
weak, who are the ones that
are most most affected by this boundary dissolution

1157
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,880
process in our society? And I
would say it's the women and the children,

1158
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,520
because you look at who's taken over
female sports, who's taken over female

1159
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:47,640
locker rooms? Who is you know, focused on, you know, a

1160
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:53,640
variant forms of sexuality that are involving
miners, even when they call themselves maps,

1161
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:55,840
you know, as I'm sure you're
talking about. I want to avoid

1162
01:28:55,880 --> 01:29:00,479
any any hot words here, but
what a man is, what mask ulinity

1163
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,920
is, I would say, are
actually tied to things that are non physical.

1164
01:29:03,039 --> 01:29:06,399
So the way that the manus who
are often describes what a man is

1165
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:11,159
masculine is going to tie to material
things. You can touch his body,

1166
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,560
how much money he has, his
size of his house, how beautiful his

1167
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,760
wife is, and it's like,
really, as a Christian man, what

1168
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,680
I would think about what defines a
man is really masculin is like his courage,

1169
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:28,359
his honor, his skills, his
self sacrifice, which again we can

1170
01:29:28,359 --> 01:29:32,359
see from Christ the Old A man
takes responsibility for things and he puts things

1171
01:29:32,359 --> 01:29:38,920
on his back and he deals with
them and so a man or high value

1172
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,239
man like I would love to ask
him, okay, high value man,

1173
01:29:41,279 --> 01:29:44,000
well what are the high values?
Because yeah, well, I mean,

1174
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:47,079
how are you gonna how are you
gonna have values without value judgments and without

1175
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:51,840
virtues? Right? Virtue ethics really
is the only way out of this whole

1176
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,479
dilemma, and the only worldview that
gives an account for virtue. Ethics,

1177
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,000
I would argue, is the one
that we have. Hence why part of

1178
01:29:59,039 --> 01:30:02,039
the reason why we have right.
So, as somebody in the chat noted

1179
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:08,039
correctly, yeah, I mean the
reason that a lot of the manospheres ethics

1180
01:30:08,079 --> 01:30:12,439
are do what thou will, just
because that's why they tend towards that libertarian

1181
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,079
ethos. And I'm not saying everything
in libertarianism is wrong, but I'm saying

1182
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:19,039
that if the ultimate highest principle libertarianism
is this my own self interest in the

1183
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:25,720
sense of my own pleasures, then
there's no then that leads to a power.

1184
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:30,399
Oppressed power might makes right dynamic,
so that you would have you have

1185
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:35,079
no reason to say then that if
a feminist and the left is engaging in

1186
01:30:35,159 --> 01:30:41,000
these manipulative dark triad tactics to beat
us, then you have no basis to

1187
01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:45,279
say that's wrong. They're just doing
what is their power dynamic, right,

1188
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:49,279
Right, So we yeah, we
need a basis for virtue advice, and

1189
01:30:49,319 --> 01:30:54,000
so you're gonna have to have some
kind of ethical frameworker system, right,

1190
01:30:54,039 --> 01:30:57,760
And that's where I would argue,
a high value man lives up to the

1191
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,640
highest of values, and so then
then as a Christian, we can then

1192
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:05,000
define what those values are, and
then men trying to embody them and live

1193
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:09,760
up to them characterize what a high
value man and that may then lead to

1194
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:14,840
material success, wealth, physical fitness, status, all this stuff. I'm

1195
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:19,239
not saying that those can't be byproducts
of the virtues that we would then posit

1196
01:31:19,279 --> 01:31:24,199
as Christians, but there's a difference
which one comes first. We're focusing on

1197
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:29,039
the virtues and living up to an
objective standard that pre exists creation. We

1198
01:31:29,039 --> 01:31:33,039
would argue, then this idea that
a high value man is really just attaining

1199
01:31:33,119 --> 01:31:38,800
wealth and social status for the utility
and access to more women, well that

1200
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:44,000
seems really gay. That doesn't seem
like somebody who's like self sacrificing, because

1201
01:31:44,039 --> 01:31:47,159
as you said, this libertarian ethos
within the mantosphere. Well, well,

1202
01:31:48,279 --> 01:31:56,760
well let's position so Rollo says,
critiquing Jordan Peterson, that you shouldn't be

1203
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,239
manning up for the sake of a
woman, right, That was the whole

1204
01:32:00,279 --> 01:32:02,279
critique. So Peterson was saying,
where it's the men's fault, time to

1205
01:32:02,359 --> 01:32:06,840
man up. Yeah, I got
a man up buckle and and his his

1206
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:11,880
his argument was man up for women, right, you've got a man up

1207
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:16,520
and engage in all of these self
sacrificial practices for the woman. And Rollo's

1208
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,960
critique was, why do I have
to man up for the woman in a

1209
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:25,960
classical liberal worldview? Right? If
Jordan Peterson's worldview is the case, there's

1210
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:30,479
not. There's no there's nothing that's
like impels me to have to man up

1211
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,479
for for what? For a situation
where I'm going to get screwed over?

1212
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,279
That doesn't make any sense. So
there's got to be more to it,

1213
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:43,239
right than just manning up for a
woman. And ironically, the player sort

1214
01:32:43,279 --> 01:32:46,439
of game attitude is like, well, I'm gonna do everything in my self

1215
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,800
interest just to have pleasure. But
it's like, wait a minute, you're

1216
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:54,520
still oriented towards doing everything that you're
doing for women. So it's like I

1217
01:32:55,039 --> 01:32:57,640
thought you were trying to escape that, and that's the logic of the migdol

1218
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,039
guys who are like, no,
you're still served women when you're in that

1219
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:02,920
attitude, so you see, it's
time to just be at insult brow and

1220
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:08,680
let's just go play video games.
Right. No, you're you're you nailed

1221
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:13,159
it. And I would totally agree
with that. And that's why living up

1222
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:15,840
to these higher values and objective values, you shouldn't be becoming a high value

1223
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,000
man to get a woman. And
that's where in my speech that I did

1224
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:23,680
at Montanica, the theme of the
conference was seek first the Kingdom of God,

1225
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,000
and my point was that if a
man wants to become a man,

1226
01:33:26,079 --> 01:33:29,880
he needs to do that, and
if he does that sincerely and includes his

1227
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,479
physical fitness, it includes the idea
of that his job, his career is

1228
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:39,000
tied to his spirituality with God.
Will seek that first, Seek the Kingdom

1229
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,880
of God first, and then working
on every aspect of your life, and

1230
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,079
then provident God can bring the woman
who's looking for that quality of man.

1231
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,399
The problem with the orthosphere, and
I apologize I'm step on some guy's toes

1232
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,720
here, is they want women and
they're not the type of men that those

1233
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:56,600
women would want, and it's like, that's where you have to be a

1234
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:00,159
little bit more self aware. And
that's where I would totally agree with at

1235
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:05,479
the Red Pill and the mantelsphere talking
about male growth and yeah, let's just

1236
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,720
be frank, here's a lot of
dorks and they don't know how to talk

1237
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,159
to women. They've never talked to
women. They're terrified of walking over and

1238
01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:15,000
uh, you know, making initiating
conversation. I mean, come on,

1239
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:18,199
it sounded to stop being a dork. That's that's the creator and and and

1240
01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:20,680
I had dude, I am not
kidding. I talked to one guy.

1241
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,279
He was like, man, you
know, there's really cute girl at my

1242
01:34:24,399 --> 01:34:26,960
parish and I was trying to talk
to her. And I was like,

1243
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,319
well, what are you talking about
theology? Bro? Why are you going

1244
01:34:30,359 --> 01:34:34,920
up to girls? Like total total
ignorance, total ignorance for women. Bro,

1245
01:34:35,119 --> 01:34:39,640
this is not women that women are
definitely interested in some women. But

1246
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,880
I'm saying, if you're going up
to a girl at a parish that you

1247
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,520
think is cute, don't be talking
about the energy essence distinction. What are

1248
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:51,319
you doing? Yeah, this is
a total misunderstanding of what a woman is

1249
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:55,640
and how she operates and how she
thinks, and what a guy is and

1250
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:59,800
how they operate. Right, It's
it's the it's the exact flip of what

1251
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,359
you we're saying about the career women
who think that what men want is what

1252
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:08,760
they are portraying through their careers.
This is the flip version of that where

1253
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,680
the nerd guy thinks that, oh, girls are gonna like me when I

1254
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:15,119
show that I've read all the Church
Fathers and I can actvocate the access energy

1255
01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:17,159
extanction, and I can talk,
you know how they don't. You just

1256
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:21,840
come off as a complete dork because
women are not wired for that. Right,

1257
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:27,119
So if you want to get a
girlfriend, number one, work on

1258
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:30,560
your appearance, work on your gates, the way that you walk. Don't

1259
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,680
walk around like a spurt with something
stuck up his butt, running around like

1260
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:39,560
this or shuffle. These kinds of
things are where you want to focus.

1261
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,199
Like learning how to act like a
normal human being, right, a person

1262
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:47,560
who can have a mundane conversation.
You might be a nerd who doesn't want

1263
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,680
to do that, but if you
want to be able to get around in

1264
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:51,720
this world, you need to learn
how to do that, how to have

1265
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:58,880
normal conversations about normal stuff, right
right, right, and so um,

1266
01:36:00,079 --> 01:36:03,079
yeah, finding objective virtues and values
to aim for. That's what a man

1267
01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:06,680
should be aiming for. And we
look at history like men were all about

1268
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,439
honor, and so is it.
That's why so many men were willing to

1269
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,000
sign up and die on a battlefield
because Okay, I'll get married at a

1270
01:36:14,039 --> 01:36:15,479
young age, I'll have children at
a young age, and now it's time

1271
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:19,159
for my honor. And so maybe
I'm enlisted in the military, I go

1272
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:23,680
do something or I build something,
like we just have no honor as men

1273
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,119
in the present world. And I
would say this would be a critique.

1274
01:36:26,119 --> 01:36:28,960
I would aim at the mantle spheres. They don't talk about honor enough,

1275
01:36:29,399 --> 01:36:32,399
the idea of getting Yeah, it's
all utility, it's all it's all commodification,

1276
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:36,439
it's all consumerism. It's that's because
that's because for them, it's all

1277
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:42,720
tied to libertarianism and a pleasure principle
and utilitarianism, which the connections are all

1278
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:47,680
there, and it's like maximizing happiness
is maximizing the moral calculus pleasure principle,

1279
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:51,399
right, going back to Bentham and
all those guys. But that's because their

1280
01:36:51,399 --> 01:36:55,399
whole, their whole ethos is imminentized, right, So everything that they're talking

1281
01:36:55,399 --> 01:37:00,319
about is eminentized because it's the materialistic
idea of what exists and what tels and

1282
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:04,319
orientation is. So if you don't
have a transcendent Tels, then everything's gonna

1283
01:37:04,319 --> 01:37:08,439
be oriented to the here and the
now and just the pleasure principles. So

1284
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:13,439
we need virtue ethics. That's classical
ethics in the sense of you can even

1285
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,159
go to the Aristotle right, right, And if you look at Ambrose for

1286
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:21,279
example, saying Ambrose, we had
doctor Sean Stid when he presented his paper

1287
01:37:21,279 --> 01:37:26,279
a couple of years ago at the
SOFIA conference. He showed how what Ambrose

1288
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:30,680
does is just take the classical Greek
virtues and apply them in a Christian context.

1289
01:37:31,039 --> 01:37:35,079
And that's essentially what David Patrick Hary's
doing here. He's saying, look,

1290
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:40,720
there's these principles that people like Aristotle
talked about, courage and honor and

1291
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,960
these kinds of things, and they
can be they absolutely are part of our

1292
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,039
worldview because we do have a virtue
ethic, right, and that's what you

1293
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:49,840
as a man should be focused on. And that's why again I was at

1294
01:37:50,399 --> 01:37:55,039
Montanica talking to a group of people, and I knew I was talking to

1295
01:37:55,239 --> 01:37:58,279
twenty se year old, thirty year
old men who felt like they were again

1296
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,640
almost consumers at the Mano's spear.
But you ask them, they have no

1297
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,800
purpose, they have no skill set. And I'm not I'm not step on

1298
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,920
anybody's toes, are mocking anybody who
feels that way of their life right now,

1299
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:11,239
because that's a real problem, just
based the way that our world is.

1300
01:38:11,239 --> 01:38:15,119
And so I would then as a
as an advice, would be again,

1301
01:38:15,159 --> 01:38:16,359
that's why you need to pray,
you need to get in touch with

1302
01:38:16,399 --> 01:38:20,359
God. You need to really focus
on working on yourself, developing yourself,

1303
01:38:20,399 --> 01:38:24,680
self development so that you can figure
out, Okay, I'm good at these

1304
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:28,239
things, I'm not good at these
things. And work, work, work

1305
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:31,720
on yourself, focus on what's in
your control. And then they focus too

1306
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,520
much on what's out of their control, like the women. Yeah, you

1307
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:39,560
know, whining and complaining about the
things that they complaining about women, things

1308
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,359
that you can never change or fixed. Right. This is a classic thing

1309
01:38:42,399 --> 01:38:45,439
of all leftists, which shows that
these people actually just have a leftist mindset,

1310
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,840
which is to whine and complain about
the things that can never be altered

1311
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,840
or changed. And you know,
I'm not a Stoic, but if you've

1312
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:55,119
read Marcus Aurelius's Meditations, which we've
done a whole lecture on that, the

1313
01:38:55,159 --> 01:38:57,840
Stokes had a great point, which
is that, look, why are you

1314
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,520
going to focus on the world all
the things that you can never affect or

1315
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,760
change. You can never change what
somebody's doing a million miles away. You're

1316
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:09,199
never going to change everybody's mind about
whatever you think about this or that.

1317
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:13,279
Right, It's like it's like Marxists
and this sort of idealistic perception that they

1318
01:39:13,319 --> 01:39:16,640
have that I can fix the world
and change everybody's mind about how they think

1319
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,960
about equality and fairness and all the
stuff. No, you can't. The

1320
01:39:20,039 --> 01:39:24,560
stoic would say, look, fix, you can fix what's in your life

1321
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,920
that's within your domain of something that
you can fix. So focus on that,

1322
01:39:28,359 --> 01:39:30,680
not on problems a million miles away
that you don't have any connection to,

1323
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:34,479
and we'll never be able to fix. It's ridiculous, right, Like

1324
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,560
the Great reseat, you know,
things that we talk about people are so

1325
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:42,640
focused and even in our orthosphere,
they're so focused on things that are out

1326
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,840
of their control. It's like,
bro, look, you're you're thirty pounds

1327
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:49,199
overweight man, and you're you're asking
for a virgin girl. Are you serious

1328
01:39:49,279 --> 01:39:54,159
right now? Like, have some
self awareness and work on yourself. So

1329
01:39:54,399 --> 01:39:57,079
that's a huge that's a great point. Yeah, the lack of self awareness

1330
01:39:57,159 --> 01:40:00,720
exactly right. And I remember in
my twenties when I was a super nerdy

1331
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:04,079
theology guy. I remember having to
learn these lessons as well because it was

1332
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:08,800
like, uh, you know,
I was probably twenty pounds overweight. I

1333
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:12,039
was drinking beer all the time,
constantly drinking. I mean, I was

1334
01:40:12,039 --> 01:40:14,600
an alcoholic. But I'm saying,
like, you know, drinking every weekend,

1335
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:18,319
and you know, all the conspiracy
stuff, all the problems in the

1336
01:40:18,359 --> 01:40:20,640
world, and it's like, well, wait a minute, what have I

1337
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:25,760
done to actually change my own situation? Right, I'm whining about all this

1338
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,720
stuff about oh the new World Order
and all this kind of and that's all

1339
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,920
true, But what's that going to
just put me in a black pill situation?

1340
01:40:32,399 --> 01:40:34,439
Well? What am I gonna do
with the black pill stage? Would

1341
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:41,000
it be miserable? Right? You
have to take the initiative, And that's

1342
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:45,600
where I would say the real white
pill. Then, although it's difficult is

1343
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:49,680
that suffering is tied to being a
man, and you have to that's what

1344
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:55,079
we that's what we do as Christians. But you have to realize that the

1345
01:40:55,079 --> 01:40:57,840
only way you progress is suffering.
The only way you look good in the

1346
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,840
gym is by suffering in the gym, by exhausting your most The only way

1347
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:02,960
you read all those books you read, the only way you do overviews of

1348
01:41:03,079 --> 01:41:06,880
Carol Quigley, is that you suffer
through the discipline of going through it.

1349
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:13,000
Christ is the ultimate representation of what
a man is because he did he took

1350
01:41:13,039 --> 01:41:15,199
the most suffering. He took the
sins of the world that he wasn't even

1351
01:41:15,279 --> 01:41:21,159
responsible for. And that's where taking
responsibility taken ownership and then realizing that suffering

1352
01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:25,279
is not something to be avoided,
or you're gonna be in your compod you're

1353
01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:28,720
gonna be of these libertarian ethics where
again, like you talk about, these

1354
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,600
only focus on the immediate moment,
immediate pleasure, the avoidance of suffering.

1355
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:38,159
If you're trying to avoid suffering,
the devil already has you bro because you're

1356
01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:42,239
going you're you're like a You're like
cattle that are just being hurted right into

1357
01:41:42,319 --> 01:41:45,239
the pen, you're gonna be slaughter. Well, I'm gonna be really preciser

1358
01:41:45,279 --> 01:41:47,840
because a lot I can already anticipate
what a lot of like Migtow or men's

1359
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,760
rights guys are gonna say. Oh, so you're telling me that my job

1360
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:58,760
is to totally be self immolated on
the altar of marriage and getting screwed over

1361
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,600
in the in the marriage core,
and that that's my duty as a mean.

1362
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,159
No, No, that's not what
we're saying. That's not what I'm

1363
01:42:03,159 --> 01:42:06,600
saying. The point is that,
look, life is going to bring suffering,

1364
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:10,640
so it's going to be part of
life. I'm not saying you need

1365
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:16,279
to try to in some weird satos
maskets take on ridiculous, absurd levels of

1366
01:42:16,319 --> 01:42:20,319
suffering. That's weird and crazy.
But rather the attitude of a lot of

1367
01:42:20,319 --> 01:42:25,159
the manosphere and the red pill people
is, oh, I'm going to live

1368
01:42:25,239 --> 01:42:30,680
for pleasure and thus avoid all suffering
and just live for my you know,

1369
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:35,560
my my moral calculus pleasure points.
And that's actually a feminine uh, that's

1370
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:41,079
a form of I'm going to have
my own little security blanket of my feelies

1371
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:44,000
and all this kind of stuff.
That's a that's a that's a gnocentric way

1372
01:42:44,039 --> 01:42:47,640
to live right exactly. And I
would say even even I would say,

1373
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:53,199
you know, Justin Waller has some
good things that to say about men's issues

1374
01:42:53,279 --> 01:42:56,039
right now, but him saying that
I'm not I'm not wired that way that

1375
01:42:56,039 --> 01:42:58,239
I would definitely if I was married
and had kids, I'd still have to

1376
01:42:58,279 --> 01:43:02,640
have multiple girlfriends. Um, that's
feminine. That's a lack of if even

1377
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:06,119
if you have that temptation again as
a Christian and he calls himself a Cristian

1378
01:43:06,199 --> 01:43:11,600
identifies as a Christian that dying to
the world is part of that suffering.

1379
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:15,039
So even if you have those temptations
for all those other women, not acting

1380
01:43:15,079 --> 01:43:19,399
on them is actually part of your
self ific journey. That's that's part of

1381
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:25,720
your again being a man and like
defining more boundaries. Uh. So that's

1382
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,560
where my again we were looking at
criticisms. My first criticism is like,

1383
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:32,600
what exactly is the role of masculinity
and men? And for them, men

1384
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,600
are just supposed to make money,
gain status, and then get with the

1385
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:41,000
best woman you can and then it's
just it's just here, it's just headenism.

1386
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:44,720
It's just like, how is that
a better choice than any of the

1387
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:48,760
other options of what we were.
So there's all of this rucus and unwhining

1388
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:55,039
about the status of things, and
then the answer is what just just pleasure?

1389
01:43:55,079 --> 01:43:59,520
Point? This is like the bro
now the mice that are pushing the

1390
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,600
little things that gives them the Yeah, the cocaine. Yeah yeah, that's

1391
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:11,399
exactly what they are. And that's
why the grift is so profitable because the

1392
01:44:12,119 --> 01:44:14,920
men just want more of the cocaine. They just want more of the pleasure.

1393
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,960
Um, So what is the ultimate
point of becoming high value for the

1394
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:24,399
manosphere? And this is generally speaking
on many the people I've listening to,

1395
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:29,119
it's so that you can have autonomy
and choose the woman that you want and

1396
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:32,399
have more access to women. And
so the discipline that they talk about is

1397
01:44:32,399 --> 01:44:36,600
always fitness, money, career.
You focus on all those things and you

1398
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:41,840
get though, you get all those
game attributes elevated. Now you can focus

1399
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,000
and you can just pick pick the
girl you want. And it's like,

1400
01:44:44,039 --> 01:44:48,079
well, then the next question is
what is the role that men play in

1401
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:50,960
society? Is it just to get
with women, I mean, because that

1402
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:57,119
seems pretty futile. I would say
it's to build structures, it's to build

1403
01:44:57,199 --> 01:45:00,720
society. It's to contribute to something
that is beyond on who I am.

1404
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:04,840
My goal right now is to build
something, get married, have children that

1405
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:10,039
that last longer than I do.
That's the point of a man. And

1406
01:45:10,399 --> 01:45:15,079
the lack of any focus on children
and marriage, I think is really an

1407
01:45:15,159 --> 01:45:19,800
undermining of what men should be doing. And I would then agree with them

1408
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:23,479
that, well, why would I
get married if you know, if my

1409
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,680
girl she's just gonna get unhappy and
she's gonna divorce me and I'm gonna lose

1410
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:30,680
half. I would agree That's why
you have to be religious. That's why

1411
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,279
the woman that I'm marrying believes in
God so much that she will do exactly

1412
01:45:34,279 --> 01:45:40,520
what I say. Well, one
thing I'll say where I will give one

1413
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:44,439
point to the Tates as opposed to
Rollo, is that Rollo will say that

1414
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:47,079
he doesn't believe in conspiracies and that
none of this really relates to like a

1415
01:45:47,279 --> 01:45:54,159
conspiratorial thing going on, whereas at
least I know Tristan and I talked about

1416
01:45:54,159 --> 01:45:58,800
it. But um, there is
a push on the part of elites to

1417
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:04,680
promote the idea that everything is the
equalitarian, that men are bad, and

1418
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:08,520
that we shouldn't have families. And
here's the ironic part of that, which

1419
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:13,560
is that a lot of these red
pill people actually serve to help destroy the

1420
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:18,520
family. And if they're helping to
destroy the family, then that's fitting into

1421
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:24,560
this overall elitist narrative. But I
mean, because the women hate the feminist

1422
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:28,479
I should say, hate the nuclear
family. So one of the biggest enemies

1423
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,399
for the feminist, egalitarian, leftist, communal commune, whatever you want to

1424
01:46:31,399 --> 01:46:34,560
frame it as, is to do
away with the with the nuclear family.

1425
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:40,079
Why because it's paternal and it's patriarchal, and it's like, if we're then

1426
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:43,960
promoting masculinity, we should promote men
to become the best men that they can

1427
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,960
be, to get the best women
that they can have, so that those

1428
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:49,359
women will submit and have the biggest
and best families they can have. That

1429
01:46:49,399 --> 01:46:54,159
would, to me would seem like
the general sphere, but it stopped short

1430
01:46:54,199 --> 01:46:59,039
of that last part of legacy of
children. And I would say it's because

1431
01:46:59,279 --> 01:47:03,960
they have no transcendent value, they
have no God relationship under yeah, everything

1432
01:47:04,039 --> 01:47:09,039
is imminentized. That's why it's always
utilitarianism. And so like, I'm getting

1433
01:47:09,079 --> 01:47:12,199
married and maybe they'd call me a
cuck or whatever for doing it. But

1434
01:47:12,279 --> 01:47:15,920
it's like, well, I'm thinking
a vow with a woman that we're gonna

1435
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:19,000
be together into eternity, and we're
very serious about that, and we both

1436
01:47:19,039 --> 01:47:24,000
believe that, and there's no there's
no idea of divorce. We're gonna and

1437
01:47:24,079 --> 01:47:29,760
so, but that's only because of
the the prerequisite values of the religious worldview

1438
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,399
that we both adopted. And so
if you want to be a man and

1439
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:34,560
you want to get that young girl, it's like you better be religious.

1440
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,880
And that's where again I'm not promoting
Islam, but I can see then the

1441
01:47:39,279 --> 01:47:43,199
rational mind of these young men.
Oh well, I'll just become Muslim then,

1442
01:47:43,279 --> 01:47:45,399
because the reason why that woman will
submit to you is because she's Muslim

1443
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:49,520
and she believes in that worldview.
If she was some West Western only fans

1444
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:54,680
girl, like, why would she
submit to you? If if women are

1445
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:59,039
hypergamus as they say, and they're
only interested in you're you're you know,

1446
01:47:59,159 --> 01:48:01,359
how you look, and then your
money and your status, and they're always

1447
01:48:01,359 --> 01:48:04,000
going to be opportunistic and get the
next one, well then why would you

1448
01:48:04,079 --> 01:48:08,720
even be with a secular woman?
That makes zero sense? And yet they're

1449
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:12,399
still advocating for how to pick you
know, pua pick up artists and how

1450
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,279
to get secular girls and take them
back and sleep with them. It's like,

1451
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,800
that doesn't make any sense to me. It's like you guys are creating

1452
01:48:18,119 --> 01:48:21,640
the same thing that you're fighting.
It doesn't make any sense. Yeah,

1453
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:26,960
it's just the inverse of the feminist. Right. So we're coming up on

1454
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:30,039
two hours and we want to get
to the super chat. So if you

1455
01:48:30,079 --> 01:48:31,239
want to go ahead, and if
you want to finish up your list of

1456
01:48:31,279 --> 01:48:36,600
crea Yeah, so I had what
are men willing to die for? That?

1457
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,359
That's something I asked uber Boyo,
one of my buddies comes on.

1458
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:45,960
He's a Nietzschean. We've got into
it multiple times. He's a relativist and

1459
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:48,079
I'm like, bro, like what
do you talk about masculinity? And like

1460
01:48:48,119 --> 01:48:51,079
the uberman and the Superman, but
like, what are you willing to die

1461
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:55,760
for? And he thought about it. It's kind of like himself and his

1462
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,600
family. Okay, I can give
you that, but it's like a man

1463
01:49:00,039 --> 01:49:01,800
has to have something to die.
That's reason, you know, people would

1464
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,079
go to war because they had pride
in their family, they had pride in

1465
01:49:04,079 --> 01:49:06,439
their nation, they had pride in
their in their mother tongues and all this

1466
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:11,439
different stuff. So for me,
I have the patriarchy to die for,

1467
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,520
I have orthodoxy, I have a
family, and then I'm going to create

1468
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:17,159
my own family, and I'm going
to put the owners on taking care of

1469
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:20,880
my parents. For example, you
know my mother's not in the in the

1470
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:25,319
best health. Well, I'm not
letting her go to a nursing home.

1471
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:27,680
I'm going to put that on my
shoulders and I'm going to take care of

1472
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:32,520
her until she passes away in my
own possession. That's that's a sense of

1473
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,840
responsibility. And so ask him in
like, what are you willing to die

1474
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:40,640
for? Is a huge thing on
if you're living just for yourself or you

1475
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:45,119
have a larger purpose. And then
hold on, hold on to the people

1476
01:49:45,239 --> 01:49:47,640
that maybe you guys just joined,
people like Hanzo that are complaining in the

1477
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:53,279
chat. So we've already given all
of the concessions to the areas that we

1478
01:49:53,319 --> 01:49:59,319
agree. So yeah, if if
red pill is helping nerdy dudes figure out

1479
01:49:59,319 --> 01:50:01,880
how to go and I have a
conversation with a woman, absolutely agree with

1480
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,600
that. Yeah, that's a good
thing. I'm We're not just lodging complaints.

1481
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:10,640
So you miss the first half of
our talk where yeah, we agreed

1482
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:14,279
with actually probably over half of what
the Man of Spirit talks about, Like

1483
01:50:14,319 --> 01:50:16,800
I have the agreements here. The
world is against men and privileged women.

1484
01:50:17,159 --> 01:50:21,800
Modern secular relationships are terrible and falling
apart. Women on social media are out

1485
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:27,640
of control and narcissistic. Men need
to improve beta sims. Men need to

1486
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:32,840
become more masculine, high value pure
women. And then the average women overvalues

1487
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,359
themselves. That's another fact is that
the average women, due to social media,

1488
01:50:36,399 --> 01:50:40,560
because they can get so they can
garner so much attention through photos,

1489
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:45,159
the average looking girl thinks she's a
dime piece, right, which totally Then

1490
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:47,720
again, if you're the average man, you're you're like, you're totally disenfranchised

1491
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,760
and even engaging and getting out a
woman that's probably right at your level,

1492
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:56,640
like you guys technically probably should be
together. But because of the secular frame

1493
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:00,840
of the social media and everything,
these girls totally overvalue themselves. So we

1494
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:05,880
were already talking about this earlier that
Neil Strauss's book on How To You Know,

1495
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:10,640
And I think that there was a
lot of nerdy dudes at that time.

1496
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:15,600
I'm trying to remember what um when
did he write this? This came

1497
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,720
out and I think the two thousands, right, and this I mean and

1498
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,439
this came out around the time of
like, you know, Mystery and when

1499
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:27,800
Mystery had that TV show on e
or whatever. I still don't see a

1500
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:32,119
date. So anyway, I think
it was a two thousands, right,

1501
01:51:32,199 --> 01:51:34,760
So we already went through it.
For those in the chat maybe who just

1502
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:40,319
jumped in like it was two thousand
and five is when this came five or

1503
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:44,399
six, But we already went through
all of the positives of Okay, so

1504
01:51:45,359 --> 01:51:47,720
learning social dynamics, right, there's
a lot of nerdy dudes who don't know

1505
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:51,239
anything about social dynamics, never walked
up and talked to a girl and never

1506
01:51:51,279 --> 01:51:56,600
had a conversation. And actually the
Internet and everybody being adamized and living on

1507
01:51:56,640 --> 01:52:00,640
the Internet has made this even worse
to where in person people who don't know

1508
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,000
how to have normal conversation. Bro. Even the priest at Montanica, like

1509
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:09,279
my speech at Montanica was on the
manosphere and young men, and then I

1510
01:52:09,359 --> 01:52:14,760
talked to Bishop Maxim again multiple priests
there, and they're like, yeah,

1511
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:16,720
you know, we we get these
young guys all the time that are just

1512
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:18,800
you know, and they said,
well, what you know, what can

1513
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:23,119
we do? And I said,
what would be good is if Orthodoxy and

1514
01:52:23,279 --> 01:52:27,319
just priests because we have a patriarchy, if they just became more aware of

1515
01:52:27,359 --> 01:52:30,560
the situation that young men are facing, and there's just a conversation. Not

1516
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:32,199
the church has to do anything.
They don't need to be an initiative,

1517
01:52:32,199 --> 01:52:36,199
they don't need to do it's just
that if the priest understood the source of

1518
01:52:36,319 --> 01:52:41,640
social context, that when a young
kid comes into the church and he is

1519
01:52:42,279 --> 01:52:45,960
feeling the brunt of everything we're talking
about, the priest says, oh,

1520
01:52:45,039 --> 01:52:47,720
yeah, I know what you're talking
about. I know exactly what's going on,

1521
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:53,640
and then he can teach him because, like you said, this awkwardness,

1522
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:57,800
the inability to talk to women,
you know, being totally backward,

1523
01:52:58,119 --> 01:53:00,520
lack of self awareness, the way
they addressed they they look it's like a

1524
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:04,439
man has to teach you this.
Your mother is going to tell you you're

1525
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:11,159
cute, has to give you a
Part of this is a gen generation or

1526
01:53:11,159 --> 01:53:14,439
two raised by single moms, so
they never had a dad in the household,

1527
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:16,720
like exposing them to the realities of
the world and like saying, look,

1528
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:20,520
do you look like a nerd man, came here, serious, why

1529
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:24,079
are you walking like a stick up
your butt? You look weird, dude,

1530
01:53:24,119 --> 01:53:27,399
that's disgusting. Came here, Let's
let's fix you. Right. That's

1531
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:31,000
that's the thing is like the today's
society thinks of that as shaming, and

1532
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:35,199
no, no, no, it's
shaming for the purpose of you bettering yourself.

1533
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:40,720
You see, right, there's a
level to where shaming is necessary exactly.

1534
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:44,039
That's why bowling and hazing. Again, I'm too, not to the

1535
01:53:44,079 --> 01:53:48,760
extreme, but it's because we men, if you played sports, if you've

1536
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:54,119
done anything, we naturally sort ourselves
out on a hierarchy of competency. And

1537
01:53:54,279 --> 01:53:58,199
we know that you go play sports, you know you're gonna know who's the

1538
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:01,079
biggest and baddest dude pretty quickly.
And if not, there's gonna be violence

1539
01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:05,680
to sort of sort that out and
establish it. And so we bring reality

1540
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:10,319
to children. And so these young
boys who grow up with single mothers,

1541
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:14,520
who have no male role models,
they are so lost. I do one

1542
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:16,760
on ones with them. They're they're
really really lost. And that's what I

1543
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,000
was telling the priests. I was
like, you know, you just have

1544
01:54:19,039 --> 01:54:23,279
to understand what these young men are
going through the Many of them have no

1545
01:54:23,399 --> 01:54:26,520
male role models, and you,
as a priest, you don't need to

1546
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:29,079
do anything. You just have to
be aware so that you can fill that

1547
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:31,119
role. And they can belong to
a patriarch, they can belong to an

1548
01:54:31,159 --> 01:54:35,239
institution, they can belong to a
community and then begin to find themselves.

1549
01:54:35,439 --> 01:54:39,279
Well, one thing I realized as
I got older, which I didn't understand

1550
01:54:39,319 --> 01:54:41,520
when I was younger, but I
understood as I got older, is that

1551
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,039
you know, guy's men, dads, they have this added their problem solvers.

1552
01:54:45,319 --> 01:54:48,920
Just now. We're problem solvers naturally. So when we see a situation,

1553
01:54:49,359 --> 01:54:53,000
you know, we see a nerdy
dude over there in the corner standing

1554
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:57,279
way and he won't talk to the
girls because he's scared or whatever. Like

1555
01:54:57,399 --> 01:55:00,199
we assess that and we see the
problem the way and we think, okay,

1556
01:55:00,199 --> 01:55:03,399
how are we going to solve this
guy's problems? He needs to know,

1557
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:08,319
like you're you're a dork, you
need to hear that it may hurt

1558
01:55:08,319 --> 01:55:11,880
a little bit, but you're not
There's never going to be advancement until there's

1559
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,960
getting over that pain that hurt.
Like you talked about with lifting weights,

1560
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:16,560
right, same analogy, Right,
you're gonna have to go through some of

1561
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:20,600
this pain. And by the way, it's not just physical there's psychological and

1562
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:25,199
emotional weakness too that people need to
need to get over. Right. So

1563
01:55:25,239 --> 01:55:27,760
a lot of people think, oh, you're mean when you debble, you're

1564
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:30,760
so mean. I'm not mean.
I'm actually just telling you how it is

1565
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:33,960
and how it needs to be,
because that's how guys are. Guys are

1566
01:55:34,039 --> 01:55:38,760
problems solved. It doesn't come from
a place of being mean. It's that

1567
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:43,039
so many people are so soy they
can't take a joke or they can't take

1568
01:55:43,079 --> 01:55:46,760
somebody saying oh you're wrong without they're
losing their mind. Their world collapses,

1569
01:55:47,239 --> 01:55:50,119
right and that, and then they
want to complain about somebody else being in

1570
01:55:50,119 --> 01:55:54,239
their feefees. No, bro,
you're in your feelings. You're emotional,

1571
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,720
Like that's the problem. Like maybe
you should have got punched in the face

1572
01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:00,000
and gotten a few fights when you're
younger, maybe you'd be a little bit

1573
01:56:00,119 --> 01:56:02,279
tougher. These young guys have no
tough That's what I'm saying. Like I

1574
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:05,840
got my ass beat like at least
two or three times right when I was

1575
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:10,520
in high school. Now, one
of those was legitimately I lost the fight,

1576
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:13,479
another guy like sucker punched me.
So I don't really count that one.

1577
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:15,039
But I did get I still got
beat up, right, So I

1578
01:56:15,079 --> 01:56:17,760
got multiple times beat up in high
school. I won a couple of fights

1579
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:21,239
too, so it wasn't like all
losses. But but I wasn't some big

1580
01:56:21,279 --> 01:56:25,920
brawler. It's just weird to me
that like that experience to me, which

1581
01:56:26,039 --> 01:56:28,840
was, you know, a handful
of fights in high school not that big

1582
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:30,319
of a deal, Like I don't. I think a lot of dudes have

1583
01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:33,760
never been in a fight. I
agree with you. I know for a

1584
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:35,960
fact. I talked to him.
I was like, Bro, you ever

1585
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:39,960
been in a fight? No,
I've never punched anything, never, never

1586
01:56:40,079 --> 01:56:43,840
hit it a heavy bag, never. You know. It's like, bro,

1587
01:56:44,119 --> 01:56:48,000
like, no wonder, you're lost
man, Like you have no toughness

1588
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:53,000
like and so that's something that men
give to other men. And that's where

1589
01:56:53,039 --> 01:56:57,399
I think the church orthodoxy just being
the last vestige of the patriarchy, if

1590
01:56:57,439 --> 01:57:00,840
just priests, it just became common
knowledge that hey, these young men coming

1591
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:03,119
in, we're gonna have to be
more than their spiritual father, a male

1592
01:57:03,279 --> 01:57:09,640
role model for them because they have
none. That would be huge. Yeah.

1593
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:13,920
Well, Unfortunately, a sizable section
of so called Orthodoxy is just as

1594
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:16,640
soy and just as it is pitiful
as everything else. But go ahead,

1595
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:20,720
yeah, let's get that. Yeah
yeah, the priest at Montanica weren't.

1596
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:25,159
But that kind of wraps it up. Um, you know. My my

1597
01:57:25,279 --> 01:57:28,880
ending point is that men need a
patriarchy to belong to because that's how we

1598
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:31,159
learn what it means to be a
ban and that's why orthodox is really the

1599
01:57:31,239 --> 01:57:34,239
last home for a man to be
a man, and for a man to

1600
01:57:34,319 --> 01:57:36,960
have a religion and for man to
have a value. So you want to

1601
01:57:38,079 --> 01:57:41,000
you want to blow out feminists,
well, bro, Like if you're just

1602
01:57:41,039 --> 01:57:45,760
some atomized young guy online and you're
like debunking feminist logic and all this different

1603
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:48,039
stuff, but then you don't belong
to anything masculine, no patriarchy, no

1604
01:57:48,119 --> 01:57:53,279
tradition, no value system. Like, bro, you've already lost. Like

1605
01:57:53,359 --> 01:57:56,760
you can you can blow out the
feminist or you can you know, critique

1606
01:57:57,359 --> 01:58:00,319
modern women and only fans and you
can still be a traditional man with values

1607
01:58:00,359 --> 01:58:04,079
and religion and with tradition and with
the patriarchy and with the community. And

1608
01:58:04,159 --> 01:58:09,840
so my last point was that boundaries
are the new frontier. This is something

1609
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:13,079
that Father Russell and Montanica was talking
about, is that, you know,

1610
01:58:13,239 --> 01:58:15,479
men have always looked for the frontier. That's what the battle was, you

1611
01:58:15,479 --> 01:58:19,880
know, the battle front exploring America. You know, if you've driven across

1612
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:24,439
America, like it's amazing to think
that that ancestors, especially if you're a

1613
01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:29,680
Native American or native of America,
like they went all the way to the

1614
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:33,000
Pacific Ocean before cars bro Like they
went across the rocky mountains, like the

1615
01:58:33,079 --> 01:58:38,960
desire for the frontier. And you
look at them the men today, it's

1616
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:42,000
like, what the hell you guys
couldn't have done any of that. And

1617
01:58:42,039 --> 01:58:45,319
so the new frontier, if you
really want to find the leading edge of

1618
01:58:45,399 --> 01:58:50,520
the masculine battle, it's the boundaries. It's the virtue, it's the honor,

1619
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:56,199
it's the glory, it's all the
truth. Defending objective truth is like

1620
01:58:56,239 --> 01:59:00,520
a radical thing right now. I
mean, it's just finding these boundaries in

1621
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:03,720
defending them, not taking one step
back. And that's where the Church gives

1622
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:08,119
you a perimeter. Like you were
looking for a fight, the Church gives

1623
01:59:08,119 --> 01:59:11,520
you a perimeter that we as men
can put our heels on it and face

1624
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:14,840
out against the world and take no
step back. We don't compromise our values.

1625
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,000
We don't allow feminism, we don't
allow degeneracy. None of this stuff

1626
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:19,439
is allowed to enter. And that's
on us, and that gives us a

1627
01:59:19,479 --> 01:59:23,840
purpose, and that gives us a
front line to fight against. And that's

1628
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:27,199
kind of yeah, kind of sums
up what I'm reading speaking of that,

1629
01:59:27,239 --> 01:59:30,640
there's gonna be a big trag cat
barbecue in Atlanta that I'm gonna be going

1630
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:34,960
to hopefully this summer. And I'm
not joking about We're all gonna be boxing,

1631
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:39,359
so I applaud the track. I'm
probably gonna get my ass beat.

1632
01:59:39,399 --> 01:59:42,880
I don't care. I'm gonna go
box a bunch of trag cats and I'm

1633
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:45,079
gonna get a few Imagine, I'm
gonna get a few licks in even even

1634
01:59:45,079 --> 01:59:47,199
if I got my ass beat,
I don't care. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1635
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:49,880
get a few licks in on the
track cats. It's it's my buddies though,

1636
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:53,199
it's I have friends that are track
cats are like, dude, you

1637
01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:56,319
gotta come this year. We want
you to come box Revenge Gigantic barbecue on

1638
01:59:56,399 --> 01:59:58,720
hundred fifty people are coming. I'm
yeah, I'm there. I'm gonna box

1639
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:01,439
Alle hundred fifty l track cats.
Not really, but I'm box But let's

1640
02:00:01,439 --> 02:00:04,439
get to the let's get to the
super chats. Um. I'm not joking

1641
02:00:04,439 --> 02:00:13,359
about though. I'm really am people
film it celebrity ortho versus Catholic boxing match.

1642
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:15,560
Dude, I want to actually,
I want to fight somebody in the

1643
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:19,119
Creator clash. I really do like
I would love to. I don't even

1644
02:00:19,159 --> 02:00:21,319
care if I get beat up.
I want to do it, like it

1645
02:00:21,319 --> 02:00:24,800
doesn't matter to me. It's to
me it just sounds fun. It sounds

1646
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:28,119
like a blast, right, it
sounds like a blast. But it's got

1647
02:00:28,119 --> 02:00:30,560
to be somebody in my weight category
for sure. So somebody was like,

1648
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:34,199
you can fight a bar I don't
think it borrows in my waight category.

1649
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:38,880
I don't know. I don't know
if it bars in anybody's way category.

1650
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:41,880
But I mean, if we can
find somebody, I don't know, if

1651
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:44,439
we can find up dig up butter
Bean and see if he's able to fight.

1652
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:48,319
But yeah, if he can fight
a barrow. But um, by

1653
02:00:48,319 --> 02:00:50,880
the way, I'm not some kind
of badass fighter. Dude. Again,

1654
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:54,119
I'm probably gonna get my ass beat
but it just sounds fun to me.

1655
02:00:54,199 --> 02:00:56,359
I don't get That's that's how guys
are. Guys. You're like, yeah,

1656
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:00,199
guy, I'll go get beat up. I don't care. But the

1657
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:02,319
fact you see that's like a masculine
spirit though, even whether you win or

1658
02:01:02,359 --> 02:01:04,960
not, just to go to the
fight. You're willing to go to the

1659
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:08,560
fight. Like that's dude, you
talk to him. Those of these young

1660
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,640
men, they they run away from
a fight. And I don't mean just

1661
02:01:11,680 --> 02:01:14,520
a physical fight. I mean the
state of the world. I mean I

1662
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:18,359
equated this with people like, oh
my gosh, look at the look at

1663
02:01:18,399 --> 02:01:21,199
the US. I'm fleeing. I'm
going to I'm you know, name a

1664
02:01:21,279 --> 02:01:26,239
country, like, bro, where
are you going? Like, as father

1665
02:01:26,319 --> 02:01:30,760
Josia Trenimoy says, we're Orthodox.
We don't run if if the devil's here

1666
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:34,479
and he's destroying, and then we
stand that's a point. Yeah. I

1667
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:40,960
saw Gonna Tim Gordon and we were
talking about boxing. I feel like Tim

1668
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:45,159
Will probably would would beat my ass, but he looks like a pretty he's

1669
02:01:45,159 --> 02:01:46,720
a pretty buff dude. He probably
would be my ass, but I would

1670
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:48,840
still box him. I don't care. All right, let's go to the

1671
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:53,039
super chests, guys, circle G
three dollars. Does anybody remember the og

1672
02:01:53,359 --> 02:01:59,159
men's rights channels from twenty twelve?
Uh? I remember all those I read

1673
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:02,560
each about channel or you talk about
articles. There was a girl who writes

1674
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:08,000
what she was doing with men's rights
videos ten years ago, so I'm not

1675
02:02:08,039 --> 02:02:11,000
sure what that is, but I
did. I did follow and read all

1676
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:14,520
that stuff even back then. Damas
seeing thirty dollars Jay, that was a

1677
02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:16,960
great five hour to eight stream.
Can you share your story about the first

1678
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:24,079
time you went to a liturgy and
you felt the theological difference from Rome Catholicism.

1679
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:30,720
Did you experience the English liturgy hitting
you differently? Thank you? Yes?

1680
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:33,359
And that was mainly because number one, I'd never been to an Orthodox

1681
02:02:33,439 --> 02:02:38,600
liturgy and that was like two thousand
and six or seven, and I went

1682
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:43,119
to an Antiochian liturgy. I'm sure
everybody's familiar with the famous Antiochian Church in

1683
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:46,760
Franklin, Tennessee. That was my
first exposure to it. And it wasn't

1684
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:51,039
English, and it was before they
had built that big giant temple that they

1685
02:02:51,039 --> 02:02:54,960
have now. It was in a
smaller parish back then in two thousand and

1686
02:02:54,960 --> 02:03:00,119
six or seven, still really really
beautiful but I was coming from years of

1687
02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:04,399
the Latin Mass. Okay, so
it's just a totally different feel and it

1688
02:03:04,520 --> 02:03:09,279
absolutely hit me different. And I
basically just said there was a warmth there

1689
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:14,159
that was not there in the ssp
X Latin Mass that I went to for

1690
02:03:14,199 --> 02:03:16,960
many years. Adam nineteen twelve.
If was that the church that we went

1691
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:19,399
to a wedding end? It was, yeah, okay, but see that

1692
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:24,960
the church, that's the new building, which is awesome, But um,

1693
02:03:25,079 --> 02:03:27,800
yeah, that the older parish was
a lot. It was a lot smaller

1694
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,680
back in the day, and the
parish was like really intimate than you know,

1695
02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:35,199
maybe a hundred people max. Anyway, huge, Yeah, it's huge.

1696
02:03:35,199 --> 02:03:40,479
It's grown so much and we have
a lot of friends to go to

1697
02:03:40,479 --> 02:03:43,000
that parish. It's agree. I'm
not I'm not dissing it or anything like

1698
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:45,920
that. We go to the road
Court parish. But when we're in Nashville.

1699
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:47,800
But um, anyway, Adam nineteen
twelve. By the way, guys,

1700
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:50,039
you would uh, we're gonna do
super chats. If you want to

1701
02:03:50,039 --> 02:03:54,760
send in your super chats, now
is a time to do it for either

1702
02:03:54,840 --> 02:04:00,239
myself or David Adam nineteen twelve.
Fifty bucks will you do a roope whole

1703
02:04:00,279 --> 02:04:03,680
debate. I appreciate you guys.
Work, try to let work, try

1704
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:06,800
to the riot. Coba girl,
give us a twirl. No, I'm

1705
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:12,119
not gonna be debating RuPaul because I
would lose, So I don't. I

1706
02:04:12,119 --> 02:04:16,199
would never ever sit step into the
ring to debate RuPaul. Noah, chais

1707
02:04:16,359 --> 02:04:20,800
three dollars. I apologize this is
redundant. But what do priest like father

1708
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:25,560
damic so frequently? Why do they
so frequently denounce you? A friend of

1709
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:29,800
mine told me that he attended Katechisis
in Virginia and the priest said the same

1710
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:32,880
thing. Is it all because of
NGOs or is there legitimate contention? So

1711
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:39,199
I did a video maybe four years
ago, five years ago, addressing the

1712
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:44,359
whole reason why he out of nowhere
decided to come after me. It's it's

1713
02:04:44,359 --> 02:04:47,000
a silly story. It had to
do with just uh stuff. He tweeted

1714
02:04:47,039 --> 02:04:51,239
about quote in cells and everybody that
followed my audience being an in cell.

1715
02:04:51,279 --> 02:04:57,000
He had to do a public apology, by the way, for calling a

1716
02:04:57,039 --> 02:04:59,840
bunch of young men in cells,
which he which is funny to me,

1717
02:05:00,079 --> 02:05:03,800
but I had to do with me
criticizing ancient faith radio back in the day,

1718
02:05:04,399 --> 02:05:10,159
and he took umbradge with that and
wanted to defend ancient faith radio which

1719
02:05:10,399 --> 02:05:13,920
was promoting all kinds of liberal stuff. He then tried to come out and

1720
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:16,720
do damage control and said, no, it's not actually liberal. I'm gonna

1721
02:05:17,079 --> 02:05:19,640
get rid of the liberal stuff.
Okay, well then why was I bad

1722
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:24,680
for talking about it? So you
know, go watch the video that I

1723
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:28,880
did. It's on my channel.
Stills had almost thirty thousand views. Tape

1724
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:32,239
TB eighteen ninety two. Thank you, guys. I'll be baptized in Rocorps

1725
02:05:32,319 --> 02:05:34,319
very soon. Thank you for your
hard work. Thank you so much.

1726
02:05:34,359 --> 02:05:39,880
Appreciate that. Three dollars. I
want you to do Esoteric Hollywood three.

1727
02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:42,800
The first two are some of my
favorite book books. I'm working on Esoteric

1728
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:45,359
Hollywood three. So oh man,
dude, you're you're a workaholic. Man.

1729
02:05:45,399 --> 02:05:48,960
I totally respect your your work ethic. Thank you. Yeah, we

1730
02:05:49,039 --> 02:05:53,039
do work really hard over here.
Grew up nondenominational, says glitchy rhythm.

1731
02:05:53,079 --> 02:05:56,479
For five dollars, the Orthodox Church
makes more sense than what I grew up

1732
02:05:56,479 --> 02:05:59,560
with. Yeah, I think it
doesn't make a lot more sense than the

1733
02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:04,800
domination stuff. Absolutely. How do
I get over I get overwhelmed by church

1734
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:09,880
history and how convoluted it can be. Do you have any book recommendations to

1735
02:06:09,960 --> 02:06:14,359
highlight the basics? Yeah, I
mean Michael Welton's book Two Paths is a

1736
02:06:14,359 --> 02:06:17,439
great introduction of church history. Father
Meyendorff has a good book called The Orthodox

1737
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:21,880
Church was a good introduction of church
history. The Damna scene five dollars.

1738
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:28,720
Do you have a favorite hymn?
I mean, the Orthodox Church has a

1739
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:32,119
ton of liturgical chants and I like
a lot of those chants. I like

1740
02:06:32,159 --> 02:06:35,800
a lot of the chants that we
do, for example during Easter. I

1741
02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:43,399
don't have a particular favorite hymn,
though, do you no not any any

1742
02:06:43,439 --> 02:06:50,039
particular one? I like the Charubic
hymn that's one, but nothing really,

1743
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:55,000
I don't know. I just enjoy
the entirety of the liturgy. Gary one

1744
02:06:55,039 --> 02:06:57,239
hundred dollars. I'm a big fan
of you both. Thank you for helping

1745
02:06:57,239 --> 02:06:59,760
me into Orthodoxy. Thank you so
much. Gary. It looks like you've

1746
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:05,000
won. Gary's won the super Chat
competition tonight. P b F Live forty

1747
02:07:05,039 --> 02:07:09,359
dollars. This is a great stream
homies. Thank you so much. PBF

1748
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:14,640
Palatier one dollar. Cotel makes a
great point about men having something that they're

1749
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:17,439
willing to die for. What does
the average secular man have to die for

1750
02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:23,199
without any family in the West,
propositional notions of the Constitution and civil rights

1751
02:07:24,279 --> 02:07:30,279
in other words, hypothetical. The
question is like not being serious, No

1752
02:07:30,319 --> 02:07:33,199
wonder everybody's nihilistic. Yeah, exactly, that's what's the point. If everything's

1753
02:07:33,239 --> 02:07:38,560
nihilistic, then why does your pleasure
even matter? Rachel Wilson five dollars,

1754
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:40,760
Thank you so much for the stream. Happy to see both covering it.

1755
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:44,880
We need smart, strong Christian man
influencing this sphere. Yes, I'm sure

1756
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:49,079
that David and I both will be
dipping our toes into this sphere as best

1757
02:07:49,159 --> 02:07:54,479
we can. Queen ten dollars,
Hija and Cotel, No Hyman, no

1758
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:59,560
diamond, Hanzo five dollars. Apologies, j I will watch the first hour.

1759
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:01,600
Yeah, don't have to apologize.
It's all good. Does a lot

1760
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:03,760
of people click in at different times, but we did. And I did

1761
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:07,079
a stream a couple of nights ago
about a red pill where I talked about

1762
02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:11,159
areas where I agree in areas I
disagree. Storm the cat three dollars can

1763
02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:13,239
you do a Jadier impression. Yes, I've done it the entire stream.

1764
02:08:13,439 --> 02:08:22,399
Dave fight the third fifty dollars.
What are your thoughts on dating versus courtship?

1765
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:28,840
This is a great question. I
would say that if we existed in

1766
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:33,800
a more traditional, healthy society,
courtship would be better. And it's definitely

1767
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:39,600
possible for Orthodox circles, and even
outside of Orthodox circles. I know Calvinists

1768
02:08:41,119 --> 02:08:46,119
and traditional Catholics do set up successful
courtship situations, but even those, a

1769
02:08:46,119 --> 02:08:50,039
lot of times it's really difficult for
those to be successful. Not because the

1770
02:08:50,119 --> 02:08:54,800
courtship itself is bad, but it's
so much of the modern world is totally

1771
02:08:54,840 --> 02:09:01,039
opposite and contrary to that that it's
just very difficult to run parallel societies in

1772
02:09:01,159 --> 02:09:05,800
this society. It's not impossible,
it's just really difficult. So I think

1773
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:11,800
that it's really hard to avoid dating
in today's world. Most people are going

1774
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:13,560
to go that route, and it's
just kind of going. It's just that's

1775
02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:18,520
just the reality where we are.
And I've also seen the problem of over

1776
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:22,880
the years, certain really hard core
traditional circles, whether Protestant, Roman,

1777
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:28,359
Catholic, and maybe even Orthodox,
they'll try to have really strict extreme views

1778
02:09:28,439 --> 02:09:33,560
of courtship, and the moment somebody
fails to match up to that or they

1779
02:09:33,600 --> 02:09:37,399
make a mistake or they fornicate or
whatever, always say into the world and

1780
02:09:37,399 --> 02:09:39,800
everybody collapses and it's it's just huge. It's this huge scandal, and then

1781
02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:46,760
people lose their faith and it's like
it's it's really extreme expectations for where society

1782
02:09:46,039 --> 02:09:48,960
has gone. So it's really hard, I think too, And I think

1783
02:09:50,039 --> 02:09:52,479
root Rollo is actually a good point
about this, which is that a lot

1784
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:58,399
of these uh trad egirls that suddenly
are trad egirls, right, and they're

1785
02:09:58,479 --> 02:10:03,560
on the internet as the trad egirl
like this is all just performative, right,

1786
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:09,119
they're not really trad's okay, And
so they will promote this idea of

1787
02:10:09,159 --> 02:10:13,920
all of this like we're living in
the eighteen hundreds. They're over here on

1788
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:16,920
freaking Twitter acting like it's freaking they're
going down to the saloon, you know,

1789
02:10:18,039 --> 02:10:20,119
And I mean it's not. We
don't live in the eighteen hundreds.

1790
02:10:20,119 --> 02:10:22,640
You're not gonna be able to make
everybody live like as eighteen hundreds. Yeah,

1791
02:10:22,680 --> 02:10:28,000
the grift of the e girl trad
thing is pretty fierce. Especially on

1792
02:10:28,039 --> 02:10:31,680
TikTok in regards to dating and courting, I would recommend I would agree with

1793
02:10:31,680 --> 02:10:35,359
it. Would you say, we
just don't live in a society where traditional

1794
02:10:35,439 --> 02:10:39,239
courting can exist In that context,
the way that I went about it trying

1795
02:10:39,279 --> 02:10:43,199
to find a traditional, pious Christian
girl that is worthy of marriage and is

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on the same page that I'm on, is to be one hundred percent straight

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up front and straightforward. Is that
what I've noticed is it I talked to

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some of these guys and they're real
reluctant to say what they really want because

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they're afraid it'll push her away or
do X y Z. And you're gonna

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have to get over that if you
if you want a traditional girl, on

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the first time you guys talk,
there should be at least be brought up

1802
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of like what your expectator or what
you're looking for. And so I would

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recommend every man to be very straightforward
with what you're looking for and what you

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want and be willing to say no. That's what these girls don't hear.

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They don't hear men say no.
If you're one of the few guys that

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you're like, oh, oh,
you're into that, Okay, I'm not

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really interested. It was nice talking
to you. See you, they're gonna

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actually be more curious about you,
and so be willing to say no,

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move on and be one hundred upfront, because we just don't live in a

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society where you can, you know, have families vet each other and court

1811
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and do all this stuff. It's
just we don't live in a world like

1812
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that. Hood ra at twenty nine
and one dollar. Why do Protestants say

1813
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the law has done away with?
Why do they direct this towards the church?

1814
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The church believable vitical law has done
away with or the mosaic ten laws.

1815
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Well, how we interpret the law
being field is gonna kind of differ

1816
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depending upon what tradition you're coming from. So a lot of Protestants will sort

1817
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of classify anything like liturgy or vestiments
as part of the law being done away

1818
02:12:11,680 --> 02:12:13,880
with, and so it's kind of
an easy way for them to just sort

1819
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:18,079
of hand wave liturgical worship and this
kind of stuff. Orthodox Church has a

1820
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:22,439
totally different paradigm for how they look
at what elements carried over into the worship

1821
02:12:22,479 --> 02:12:26,479
of the church. So that's a
really kind of a long involved question,

1822
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And I have a lot of live
streams, and my friend Lewis did a

1823
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:35,439
really good documentary on Orthodox worship and
its continuity with the Old Testament and it's

1824
02:12:35,560 --> 02:12:39,520
in its services. So go watch
that documentary that he made over at Orthodox

1825
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:45,680
Shahada valentteer one dollar. How can
of Orthodox guys they're serious about their faith

1826
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:52,479
engage in fasting and get gains from
weightlifting? Well, did you know that

1827
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weightlifting is actually an Orthodox thing?
That? I mean, people don't know

1828
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this, but so that's a question
for you're a much more dedicaate obviously.

1829
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Well, multiple priest I've had priests
come on that are I have. I

1830
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had a priest that who's a bodybuilder, Like literally Father Moses in Texas is

1831
02:13:09,800 --> 02:13:13,960
like a huge, gigantic buff bodybuilder
guy fa the Russell at the Holy Trinity

1832
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:18,560
Serbian church in there and Butte Montana
lifter lifts all the time. What he

1833
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does is he tries to use protein
powder during the Lenten fast. So it's

1834
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all about macros. So when you're
in a when you're in a high intense

1835
02:13:28,199 --> 02:13:31,600
fast like the Lenten fast, meet
your macros. Try to get your proteins

1836
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:35,399
where they need to be in your
carbohydrates and do the best you can.

1837
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If you're constantly working out, your
body's gonna show it. So what I've

1838
02:13:39,560 --> 02:13:43,359
noticed is a lot of people want
to use things for excuses. You just

1839
02:13:43,359 --> 02:13:48,079
gotta go be consistent. Consistency always
wins, and just get your macros in.

1840
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That's what again, I have priest
on That's what they always say.

1841
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We'll just do the best you can, and if you are in a place

1842
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where you need something, talk to
your priest about it. That's the point.

1843
02:13:56,279 --> 02:14:00,520
Talk with your priest. Yeah.
It's also it's not fastings all just

1844
02:14:00,640 --> 02:14:03,880
food. People think. People think
fasting is purely and solely something to do

1845
02:14:03,880 --> 02:14:07,239
with diet. No, that's only
part of it. In fact, fasting

1846
02:14:07,279 --> 02:14:09,720
also has to do with alms.
Giving Hunter five dollars. I'm excited that

1847
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you're coming to LA. Just don't
drink the water. I never drink tap

1848
02:14:13,039 --> 02:14:16,600
water. And I would remind people
too if they do. Want to get

1849
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:18,920
tickets, get tickets to our show. In the show description, July six

1850
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,960
will be live in Los Angeles Hollywood
area. It's gonna be a lot of

1851
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:28,159
fun. Amanda Huggin kiss one dollar. How would a theoretical situation occur where

1852
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the Orthodox monarchy is established anew how
is a monarch founder chosen well, just

1853
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:39,279
simply by the coronation of the church, So it doesn't have to be a

1854
02:14:39,560 --> 02:14:43,479
like going through genealogy books to find
some descendant. It could be that.

1855
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:46,479
I mean, I think there are
descendants of the Romanovs in Russia, so

1856
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:52,239
theoretically Russia could have another monarch.
But if you look at the Bysantine model,

1857
02:14:52,279 --> 02:14:56,640
it was it was not solely on
the basis of genetic lineage, so

1858
02:14:56,640 --> 02:15:01,840
there's a lot of different ways that
that could occur. But the authority comes

1859
02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:05,880
from the coronation of the church,
so there's different possibilities for how that could

1860
02:15:05,880 --> 02:15:09,159
be. But of course Orthodox is
we're not mainly concerned with some that's like

1861
02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:11,960
a trad cat mindset of like our
concern as to how to fix the politics

1862
02:15:11,960 --> 02:15:16,439
and get a Bay's trad political leader. That's like secondary to what we're focused

1863
02:15:16,439 --> 02:15:20,159
on. Our focus is the theology
that we think leads to then down the

1864
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:26,840
road other political solutions like monarchy,
and it should be a patro you know,

1865
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:33,479
patriarchy and monarchy go together, I
believe, and I don't think that,

1866
02:15:35,159 --> 02:15:39,319
you know, a female monarch is
ideal by the way, all right,

1867
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so that I think is tonight's show. Thank you guys so much,

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a lot of great comments and insights. I have David's channel Church Eternal Logos

1869
02:15:48,199 --> 02:15:54,239
is linked in the show description and
look for more work from him and more

1870
02:15:54,319 --> 02:15:58,000
debates. Thanks for having me on
b Yeah, absolutely great. It was

1871
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:01,000
a great chatal Palent. We got
another we on the super chat. Pallenger

1872
02:16:01,039 --> 02:16:07,680
said during Great Lent, isn't the
goal minimal Calaic intake? I'm not trolling,

1873
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:11,880
it's a actual question that we are
supposed to. So he's arguing,

1874
02:16:11,359 --> 02:16:15,479
is the purpose of lent to emaciate
yourself? I don't know if that's the

1875
02:16:15,479 --> 02:16:22,800
purpose of lent? What? I
don't think so I've never heard. All

1876
02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:26,880
Right, all right, thank you
guys. Everybody have a good good night,

1877
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and uh I'll talk to you guys. Letter god bla