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The following present is Del Marvis Studios
Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from

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around the world. It's time for
another edition of The flat Earth Files.

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I hope everyone had a great weekend
and thanks for your patience. Is we

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took just a brief ten day hiatus. Life has been very busy and as

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it goes, this is a labor
of love, and you know, as

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you guys know, the family and
everything else comes first. But we were

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able to get a lot accomplished and
we're very excited to kick things off run

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through the rest of November into December. Lots of guests lined up, a

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lot of great information and it's great
to be back. Before we bring on

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our guests today, just a couple
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Let's go ahead and kick off today's episodisode.

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We are happy to welcome Kathy,
Kathy so much, Thank you so

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much for joining us today. How
are you doing? Hi there, I'm

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doing great. How are you doing? Chanch you having me? Yeah?

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Thank you so much for joining us. And say, I already got a

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little bit of rust. I haven't
done this in ten days. I need

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to knock off the russ. But
it's great to have you. Thanks for

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joining us, and let's kick things
off and please go ahead and introduce yourself

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to the audience. Okay, So
my name is Kathy Bailey, and I

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was born in Memphis, Tennessee.
Soon after my parents relocated to South Haven,

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Mississippi, which is an adjacent It's
adjacent and just across the state line.

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So south Haven is where I grew
up and went to school. I

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was born. And Aquarius got a
shout out the aquariuses out there on Groundhog's

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Day. And I'm not sure if
that means anything to you, but the

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Aquarius is we're the weird ones,
have a lot of unique characteristics, and

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we're fiercely independent, intellectual, curious, innovative, open minded, visionary,

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humanitarian, eccentric. So we have
a lot of, you know, positive

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characteristics. But on the other side, we can be aloof or unpredictable,

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kind of detached, sometimes stubborn.
So I'm a mix of all of those

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things for sure. And I'm not
really a follower of astrology, but I

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do think that there's something to the
characteristics, you know, like maybe it's

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kind of like, you know,
we're when we're conceived, we have like

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different DNA characteristics, and so maybe
the people you know born between January twentieth

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and February eighteenth get certain personality characteristics, you know. I mean I've kind

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of looked at it like that before, and then you know, just all

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the signs, you know, if
you look at them, they all have

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specific characteristics. But anyway, I
grew up loving the outdoors. I explored

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by riding my bicycle and motorcycle.
I love to build forts outside, and

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as I got a little bit older, I took an interest in cooking.

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And I'm sort of like now I'm
sort of like Gordon Ramsey. I'm like

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a female version of Gordon Ramsey.
And that's no joke. I mean,

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when I go to restaurants, I
really want to barge back into the kitchen

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and inspect everything, you know.
But so so anyway, I also loved

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to play softball. When I was
younger, I was a pitcher and I

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had a coach who and keep in
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about twelve years old, and I
had this coach who I felt like was

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so hard on me, and he
made me get up early on Saturday mornings

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and come to his house to pitch
a softball into a tire. And I

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couldn't understand why he wanted me to
do that, but in reality, he

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was just training me to perfect those
skills. And it really showed during game

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time when I was on the field, you know, I struck out a

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lot of my friends, you know, that I was playing with, and

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so that was a very good feeling. So anyway, that happened. And

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then after a few years of floundering
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I really lacked direction, you know, I mean growing up in the

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seventies and eighties, you know,
back then, there was not truly a

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huge push on a career, and
so I really just didn't know what I

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wanted to do. And so I, you know, I'm like most other

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people, I just you know,
got married because it just felt like the

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thing to do, and that would
give me some security or some direction and

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a daily routine. So I did
that and I worked for a while in

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a small office. But when I
had my first child, I became a

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stay at home mom. We had
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two sons from a previous marriage,
so that was five kids in total,

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and one of them had special needs. Okay, so it was kind of

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challenging, but you know, looking
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of the best memories of my life. You know, when when you're raising

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kids, when they're little like that, you think, oh my god,

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I'm so exhausted all the time.
But really and truth and you think that

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that's hard, you know, but
really that's the easiest. When when they

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start growing up, you look back
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wow, that wasn't hard at all. That's right, you know, absolutely.

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And also to put things into perspective, some of the biggest struggles we

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have early in life, when you
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you realize that's something that helped mould
you to the person you are today.

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That's true, That's very true.
So so we I love those I love

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those kids dearly, you know,
I mean, and my husband and I

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we parented the best that we could. I mean, we had our own

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unresolved childhood traumas you know, didn't
know how to really deal with it.

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But we were young, and so
we joined a church. We joined a

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local church, and we pursued trying
to be the best people that we could

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be. You know, in our
minds, that was the thing to do.

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When you have a small family,
you take them to church and try

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to you know, raise them the
right way. Our life revolved around that

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church. We attended service every week. I was involved in weekly women's ministry,

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joined small group meetings, and you
know, we read endless books on

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how to be better parents, you
know, how to have a good marriage,

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all of those things. And you
know, as I got a little

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bit older, I started reading the
Bible through every single year. You know,

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I had that Bible and a year
plan, and I was you know,

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I started doing that, you know, when I could. And so,

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you know, I kind of took
on the belief that all of this

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religious activity that we were involved with
would sort of cover our mistakes and our

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shortcomings and it would somehow miraculously protect
our children children. You know, but

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that's wrong, That is not true, just because you have them in the

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right environment, doesn't mean that they're
gonna, you know, embrace the truths

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that you believe or think is right, you know. And you know,

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honestly, my husband and I we
were sort of eroding from the inside.

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It's like we mistook religion for love, and love would have actually been the

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better choice over religion. And so
eventually the marriage collapsed. My husband he

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reconnected with a high school girlfriend,
and he ended up leaving and moved to

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another state. And at that time, it was a very drastic and shocking

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change because I had been a stay
at home mom for all of those years,

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and so there I was with the
clock ticking, you know, to

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find a job that could support me, and you know that the girls were

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in school, and it was just, you know, it was just such

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a hard, hard time, and
it was probably one of the hardest times

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of my life. And so,
you know, after a lot of reflection

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during that time, I feel like
I had allowed the religion to put me

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in a cage. It's sort of
it sort of made me have like a

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learned helplessness, so to speak.
I had not really been true to myself

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or I didn't really nurture the talents
or passions within me, and so I

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ended up starting to deconstruct much of
the religion that I had been you know,

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that was instilled in me from church
of all of those years, and

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you know, we had been surrounded
by the same people, and our children

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were growing up together, and you
know, I had served in countless ways,

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helping children, keeping children, making
meals for people, sure, painting

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a home that got flooded, praying
for people, praying for the community,

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visiting people in the hospital. You
know, I was trying to be a

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good example and just you know,
denying myself and serving others. But you

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know, when I look back,
it was often to the neglect of my

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own family, you know. And
I wasn't doing those things necessarily for the

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purpose of getting anything in return.
But I always had deeply believed that proverb

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that says he who waters will himself
be watered. So it's like, for

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years I believed, Okay, you
know, I'm doing these things, you

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know, as unto God, and
if I ever have a need, then

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you know, it'll come back to
me in some sort of way. You

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know. It's like I believed I
was planting those seeds. Well, so

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when we were still attending church just
before our separation, and in my spirit,

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I just began to feel so restless
over the rituals of religion. I

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was forty two years old, and
I began questioning, you know, what

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are we doing? What are we
really doing here? Why do we do

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what we do? And it was
a time when the churches were changing from

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the traditional ways to like the modern
day music fest you know. I mean,

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it was in that transitory period,
and so I began feeling like,

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I just I can't do this anymore. And there was another couple that we

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spent a lot of time with,
and I was really good friends with the

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wife, and they started feeling the
same way. And it's like we were

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just starting to question everything. And
I feel like my husband he just got

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to the point where he couldn't take
it anymore, and so he basically escaped

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the whole situation just by bolting,
you know. I mean, it was

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sort of like a midlife crisis.
And as I said at the time,

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it was very hard. But now
I don't blame him for it at all,

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because you know, I mean,
you know, even though it was

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hard, I think he was just
trying to survive, you know, he

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was just trying to, you know, do something fulfilling. And you know,

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I mean I would never recommend for
two people who weren't really compatible or

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loved each other to stay together.
I mean it's all almost like you end

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up creating a toxic situation when there's
you know, when you can't when you're

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just not together, you know what
I mean, absolutely understand what you're saying.

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I'm going through that personally, so
I know exactly what you're talking about.

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It's hard because you feel the guilt
of sure, you feel like the

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children down. Of course that's right, and it's the right thing to do.

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You know, divorce is not right
according to the you know, the

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Bible. So but anyway, I
mean, even though it was hard at

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the time, now I don't blame
him for doing that. And you know,

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the other thing that happened was the
fact I felt totally abandoned by the

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church and by the people that you
know, we had been close to all

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of those years. I literally just
felt like I became invisible, and that

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was so painful. I did have
a small handful of people who I felt

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care for me despite you know,
going through the divorce, and they checked

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on me and they encouraged me,
but my life completely changed. I had

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to go back to school, you
know, I couldn't. I couldn't get

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a job. I applied for so
many but I hadn't been in the job

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market, you know, in close
to twenty years, and so, I

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mean, I really felt the pressure
and it was scary. But so I

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started. I worked part time while
I went to school, and I really

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completely dropped out of that church and
I've never returned. And eventually I lost

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touch with a handful of those friends. But I really felt the need to

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distance myself so that I could fully
follow who I was without the influence of

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anyone. And it was liberating and
it was one of the best things that

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I did. Whew. So so
fast forward a little bit. I am

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a firm believer in emotional intelligence and
well being. I believe that, you

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know, early on, we should
address any of our own unresolved childhood traumas

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before connecting with the life partner.
And I think it's important to take personal

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responsibility to learn financial concepts, you
know, spend focused time on learning things

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about principles and cash flow and passive
income, you know, like spend your

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early adulthood years with people who are
like minded in the ways of financial freedom

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because more than likely, you know, parents didn't know to teach these things

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and kids don't learn them in school. But there's so many people who've been

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successful and you could learn from those
people, you know. And another thing

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is just getting started, Just get
started doing something, because you learn by

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trying and by making mistakes, and
then you make that mistake and then you

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start over and you learn what you
did wrong, and you know, it's

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just you just it's the learning process
and you can't do it without just jumping

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in to something that's right. So
if I could just touch on something real

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quick as you made some two really
good points, is you know, as

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we get older, we realize how
we should have done things, whether it

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be dealing with emotional trauma or learning
the things like fiscal responsibility and all these

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things that they do not teach you
in school. And that's if you listen

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to my other podcast, people know
my passion is taking education back from the

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government because it is the biggest let
down. We send children to school for

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thirteen years and that they don't really
come out in some cases, they come

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out worse many states right now or
not even requiring. I'm talking to Oregon

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folks right now. Your children don't
have to pass reading, writing, and

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arithmetic to graduate right now, So
they set the standards low and they don't

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really teach some of these things like
that they should be teaching in school.

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But again, you're right, as
we get older, we realize and we

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wish we did things in a different
manner, and then we try to share

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them with their children, and then
they do the same thing we did when

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we were their years old. Whatever. Dad, I know, right,

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because when you're eighteen, nineteen,
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that's exactly right. And it's painful
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to just you know, let them
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you know, the hard wady learn
from their own mistakes. But it's definitely

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hard to watch them go through that, absolutely, especially like myself. I

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went through it myself, and you're
like, I did it. I'm trying

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to save you the pain and suffering
exactly, But it's exactly right, that's

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what you do at that age.
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the school, you know, you
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like that's just enough time to brainwash
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to they want to brainwash us as
youngsters so that we will become loyal taxpayers.

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It's like they're just you know,
they're they're popping us out to be

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loyal taxpayers. You know, the
middle class. Just go get a job,

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get an education, get a job
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taxpayer. And you know, if
you're if you get stuck into that,

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it's hard to get out. It's
just so hard to get out and spend

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your whole life, you know,
trying to retire, you know, put

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money in a four oh one K
that could possibly be deducted by half if

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something happens in the in the market. You know. I mean, it's

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just crazy. It's like early on, we just need to learn how to

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think out of the box. And
there's plenty of people that we can learn

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from. But yeah, that's those
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another thing I loved. I really
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updating old furniture pieces. I love
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I and I did mention that,
you know, I love Gordon Ramsey and

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I'm like him and I actually they
they came to Memphis one time with Master

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Chef. They were taking applications,
you know, and I actually submitted to

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be on mayor and I made it
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exciting. But but anyway, I
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me. But that was that was
okay. But one day I'm gonna I'm

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gonna meet Gordon Ramsey. I'd love
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a pro sales rep for Sherwin Williams
Okay, And so you know, the

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whole thing is just fun, you
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updating a home and all of those
things. It's just so fun, you

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know, the whole process of it
all. But I actually rep for the

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products inside of Low's. So I
have eight Lows stores that that I that

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I work with. I work with
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to their contractors. So, you
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don't think very many people are aware
that Low's has got Sherwin paint reps.

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So we're here and no matter where
you are in the country, you know,

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Lowe's has got a Sherwin paint rip. Cain't rep go check it out.

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But so, okay, here's here's
I guess the heart of the discussion.

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So the notion of the flat Earth
completely caught me by surprise. One

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day, as I was scrolling through
TikTok, Haleb appeared on my feed and

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whatever it was that he said got
my attention and I was completely drawn in.

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I think it was something about the
flight patterns. And after that I

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was caught for hours watching one video
after another, but immediately it resonated with

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me as truth. I found the
whole concept fascinating. I watched the videos

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about how the Sun and Moon revolve
around the Earth, and it made perfect

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sense. There was another video that
has since been removed, but the guy

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was explaining he showed a map of
the flat Earth, and he was explaining

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the seasons and how the sun and
moon are going in a circular motion and

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they progress inward closer to the North
Pole for about six months, and then

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the rotation spreads outward for about six
months, and so you know, that's

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kind of how we get the different
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I had so this this explanation resolved
a mystery I had always categorized in my

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life of Okay, this is something
I need to file under. This is

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not explainable. You know. It's
like it was, you know, the

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Bible verse where you know, Joshua
told the sun and the moon to stand

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still. That's right, And you
know, I remember so many pastors trying

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to explain that, and it's just
like, wait a minute, that didn't

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that doesn't make sense because we revolved
around the sun. How can the sun

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stand still? But you know I
never could, I never could resolve that,

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and so, like I said,
I just filed away. Okay,

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one of these days truth will reveal
all and it awaits sense. And so

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so anyway, when I heard that
about the sun and the moon revolving around,

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I was like, oh my god, that's it. You know,

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that's that's how it. That's that's
it. That's the answer. So also

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there are verses about the foundations of
the Earth and it, and it always

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puzzled me when I would come across
those verses. It made no sense because

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around ball does not have a foundation. And then you know, okay,

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there's the fact that water always finds
its level and it and it would just

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be impossible to contain water on a
ball. You know, wonder needed for

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that, It needs a container and
the Antarctica provides that. Yeah, and

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it's just you know, it's just
shocking how how you know again, it's

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it's the brainwashing you know that begins
at kindergarten even before that, and about

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the Solar system and the planets and
the whole thing. So then there's verses

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about the firmament where water was separated
from water, and you know, I

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always again read those verses with speculation
like, wait, how can that does

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make sense? Based on what science
teaches us? That makes sense? And

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so you know, so the flat
earth makes perfect sense when you're talking about

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that. And then even just the
shape of the rainbows, you know,

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and how the water. I guess
the light is refracted through the water and

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it makes that bow shape. And
then came across videos about you know,

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I guess I always had it in
my mind that the satellites that were orbiting

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around the Earth, you know,
were showing you know, that they were

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connecting all the internet, you know, the Wi Fi, the communication,

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you know, all of the things. But then you know, I'll find

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out, no, it's actually cables
at the bottom of the ocean. Of

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the Internet is connected by cable.
I was, I was, I was

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just so stunned, and I was
like, that makes perfect sentence. So

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then I came across videos about,
you know, the the Challenger astronauts,

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you know, perhaps they're still alive, and that was that was just mind

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boggling to me. I mean,
I remember watching that, you know,

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the Challenger take off. I mean, what was it, nineteen eighty six

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something like that. I think it
was January of eighty six, and you

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know, I mean I remember just
feeling horrified when that thing exploded in the

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sky and it was just you know. But then, I mean, I

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don't know. I mean, I
guess it's a conspiracy theory that they may

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still be alive, but I mean
I think it's possible. Well at least

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you'd have to say, what are
the odds of six of the seven astronuts

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having twins? Just that number in
itself, is you really have to question

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it? Just a coincidence? Yeah, it's so bizarre. So all of

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these things led me to questions about
our little visit to the moon in nineteen

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sixty nine, and what has it
been fifty four years since we've tried that

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again? After watching all of the
content about NASA. You might could say

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that I was apolloed. Well,
you know what I mean, I was

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appalled. I was appalled at all
of this. I mean, the logo

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itself, NASA contains the tongue of
a serpent. Really, and then the

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Hebrew meaning of the word NASA means
to deceive. Okay, it's bizarre.

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Yeah, it's just so bizarre,
but it makes perfect sense. And then

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you know, I just I really
became an obsessed about the content about the

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moon trip too, and just examining
those videos, I mean, okay,

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yeah, really, how can we
believe that that flimsy little thing made it

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through the atmosphere? Right? Most
of it was aluminum. And it's funny

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because I'm sure you probably maybe you
did, maybe didn't. But as you're

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telling, you're telling the story.
Every time one of our guests come on

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and tell the story over again.
I remember personally the wide range of emotions

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I had. At first, I
was like, yourself, huh, that's

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interesting, And then you know,
two days and no sleep later, you've

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been you see the world differently.
But at the same time, like you

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said, you're appalled, You're you're
like, first of all, I couldn't

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believe I fell for it, because
even most of my life I questioned things

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like how does water stick to a
ball? And satellites and many of the

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things that you have spoke about already. And then you go to a point

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where you are mad and disgusted,
and for myself a little bit like,

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man, I can't believe I fell
for that. Yeah, exactly, I

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mean exactly right. And then,
and you probably know about this. I

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know I'm not really giving any new
flat earth shattering revelations, but it was

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just kind of my process of how
I, you know, how I came

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to really believe in this. But
the thing about the you know, Bermuda

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Triangle, it's insane. I remember
being so afraid of that, and you

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know, thinking, oh my god, I would never want to fly over

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that. It's weird. It's some
kind of vortex, some magnetic vortex that

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will suck you in and you'll disappear. Well, okay, maybe it was

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NASA who propagated the phony narrative to
make people afraid because it's the graveyard of

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where all their rockets go because they
can't penetrate the firmament. I mean,

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it makes perfect sense and then what
about the southern ice wall that surrounds and

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contains the the earth again and directionally
north, south, east, and west

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all still exist. And you know, I remember like just seeing this first,

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like an image of it. It
reminded me of you know, the

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Game of Thrones, and you know
the writers evidently some of them believe in

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the flat earth, because you know
they had that piece in there about the

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ice wall yep. And so then
I had this fate and memory when I

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was like in elementary school, probably
couldn't have been more than ten or eleven

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years old, and my mother had
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and I just remember looking at that
and studying the globe. But I

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remember the word Gleason, Gleason's world
map, and so it was it was

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a circle map of the Earth.
I mean, I vainly remember that.

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I wish we still had them.
I mean, my mother is eighty years

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old. And I called her and
I said, Hey, what happened to

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those encyclopedias? Do we still have
those? And and she was like,

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oh, I don't know, I
can't remember. You know, maybe they're

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at the house i' sold, you
know, I don't know, but anyway,

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I maybe they'll turn up one day, but I would love to look

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at that again. But I just
remember looking at the continents and just really

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studying, you know, my young
mind was really studying that map and the

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water and you know how it was
just so massive and I was just trying

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to grasp it all. And I
think later, you know, we were

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I was with my class in the
school library, and you know, I

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was looking at other books about the
globe and the continents, and it seemed

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like, I don't know if you
can picture I'm talking about, but it

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seemed like somebody like cut the globe
and just kind of laid it out flat

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on those pages. But it was
different, you know, it looked a

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little bit different than the flat earth
Gleason's map, right, And so you

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know, I didn't know how to
verbalize or process that or question the differences.

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But again, it was just something
that kind of tucked away in my

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heart, you know, to ponder
over the years. And then of course

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the testimony of Richard Bird and that
he actually can mark confirmed that there was

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land beyond the ice wall. I
mean, what are the you know,

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implications of that. That's just it
makes my mind explode, you know,

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yeah, I truly go ahead,
No, I'm sorry. I was just

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gonna say I always thought curious of
Admiral Bird, just because they allowed that

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presentation. And then you hear the
story, which if I remember, I'll

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have to go back and double check. But I think is maybe a sun

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shared his journal and he talked about
how his vessel was like guided in by

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some other entity, and they spoke
and things like that. I always wondered

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if that was a diversion from the
truth, because I'm not sure. I

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know, there's a lot of talk
about is there is there things beyond the

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ice wall? I'm not sure because
I think it would take another sun.

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And you know, obviously the further
way you get from the Sun, the

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colder things get. And I believe
there's a firmament. So now whether or

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not the firmament go, we don't
know how far obviously that goes out.

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What we do know is that they
lie about everything. So are there continents

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that we don't know about? Probably
is there land beyond the ice wall?

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I mean we I don't know.
I guess it would be hard to say,

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because once again, the further away
you get, the colder. It

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gets that that would be interesting,
that that would be tough. Yeah,

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but who's to say that there's not
more suns and moons? You know,

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maybe connected. I don't know.
I mean it just you know, the

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possibilities are endless, and how could
we I think one day we might know.

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But it's just so interesting to think
about. Yeah, and unfortunately that

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will allow us down there to look
for ourselves. Yeah, that's that's true.

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So I truly went down the rabbit
hole on flat Earth, and I'm

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glad I did because it has opened
my mind. And one of the one

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of my favorite James Dresden quotes has
been this. This has been one of

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my favorite quotes for years because you
know, remember, I'm an Aquarius and

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I'm off the wall. I'm very
different than most people, and you know,

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I've really believed in a lot of
things that is just not the norm,

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you know. I mean, I'm
willing to examine something. But the

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quote is a true initial commotion is
directly proportional to how deeply the lie was

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believed. It wasn't the world being
round that agitated people, but the world

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wasn't flat. When a well packaged
web of lies has been sold gradually to

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the masses over generations, the truth
will seem utterly preposterous in its speaker,

411
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.719
a raving lunatic. So I have
been a raving lunatic in the past.

412
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But think about that when you maybe
I don't even know what year, fourteen

413
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hundreds, maybe up to that time, the masses believed that the world was

414
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flat, and then all of a
sudden somebody comes in to say, no,

415
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it's actually round. And so you
know, the people back then who

416
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said it was round, they were
just they were crazy. Sure, they

417
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were looked at as crazy. So
it got me to thinking, honestly that

418
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the belief in a spherical earth has
only existed for a little over five hundred

419
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:19.519
years, which is approximately seven or
eight generations. And so, like I

420
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said, prior to that, the
masses believed it was flat. So actually

421
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we should make a new quote representing
our generation. Don't you think that would

422
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.840
be a good idea? Oh?
I I completely agree. So I think

423
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now we could say the initial shock
caused by a truth is directly linked to

424
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:46.320
the depth of belief in the corresponding
life. It is both the idea of

425
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:53.480
a flat earth that unsettles people and
the revolution I mean the revelation that it's

426
00:36:53.559 --> 00:37:00.280
not round, a belief that has
perpetuated for over five hundred years. When

427
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:07.079
intricate lies have been ingrained in the
collective narrative for at least seven generations,

428
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:14.639
the truth may appear incredibly absurd,
and those who assert it might be dismissed

429
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:21.000
as certifiably insane. So that's I
think that's what we are, George,

430
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:27.599
We're certififiably insane. Yeah, and
you're you're correct that statement by Dresden James.

431
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.920
When a well packaged web of lies
has been sold gradually, which you

432
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.840
know, we like, they like
to use the term boiling the frog,

433
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:39.039
and that's what they do. Their
plans are generational to the masses over generations.

434
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:45.519
Excuse me, the truth will seem
utterly preposterous, and it's speaker Arabian

435
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:50.760
lunatic. And the version you did
just there just really speaks to the subject

436
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.880
of flat earth. And like you
said, you know, if the Earth

437
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:59.639
is say six thousand years old,
for the first fifty five hundred years,

438
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.920
mankind believed that we lived on a
flat plane. You can all the civilizations

439
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.679
believed at a flat earth that was
enclosed. Yeah, And of course,

440
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:15.480
like the fifteen hundreds roll around,
and Copernicus and a lot of people they

441
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.800
start to implement the changes. And
I think, honestly, and this is

442
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.840
just my belief that Martin Luther,
while obviously he was passionate about the ninety

443
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:32.159
five thesis, I think he was
also very strongly opinionated against Copernicus and the

444
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.679
things he was trying to do.
Because if you really break it down,

445
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:43.119
in my opinion, helio centrism goes
against the Bible. Yeah, yeah,

446
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:49.000
I agree with that. I agree
with that. So here here's another couple

447
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:54.519
of quotes I'd like to share.
Yeah, one Aristotle said, nothing is

448
00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:01.360
more challenging than the ability to study
and debate and think through a concept without

449
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:07.960
immediately accepting or rejecting it. It
is the mark of an educated mind to

450
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:14.840
be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it. So there's another one like

451
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:22.039
it if Scott Fitzgerald said, the
truest sign of intelligence is the ability to

452
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:31.320
entertain two contradictory ideas simultaneously. So
we would be wise to consider that every

453
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:37.800
issue has at least two sides,
and sometimes three or more. If you've

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00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:45.880
only researched one side of an issue
and have completely rejected the other sides without

455
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:52.679
any consideration. To me, that
is the highest form of willful ignorance.

456
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:58.880
I couldn't have said it any better
myself. And they have created a society

457
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:05.119
that they encourage you to immediately take
an opinion without thought. So, for

458
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example, you go on Twitter and
you see a quote that says X,

459
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:13.440
Y and Z, and you immediately
you've been taught to in the social media

460
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.039
realms to either like or dislike that
opinion without taking the time to research it.

461
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:27.480
And the two quotes by Aristotle and
Scott Fitzgerald are completely on point.

462
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.760
It is if you really and we're
all guilty of this to a certain extent,

463
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.800
especially I've been in the truth community
for a while now, and there's

464
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.039
certain subjects that flat Earth being one
of them, that are taboo, and

465
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.960
when you bring them up, some
people's belief system in certain things automatically put

466
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:52.039
up a shield and they will back
away and they refuse to look at certain

467
00:40:52.079 --> 00:41:00.159
subjects. And you really need to
be willing to entertain everything because over the

468
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:05.800
last four years on my other podcast, I have proved that almost every major

469
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:12.760
event in our history has at a
minimum been partlight in part truth. So

470
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.440
no matter how it affects your belief
system. If you really want to learn

471
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:24.239
and become well rounded inside and the
cranium, you really need to take the

472
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:30.800
time and research things for yourself and
come to your own conclusion. Yeah,

473
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:37.199
and it's I mean, we've come
to a time where, you know,

474
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.119
it's hard to know what the truth
is. I mean, there's so much

475
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:46.159
on social media now, and there's
so much you know, just people trying

476
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.440
to scam you, and human trafficking. I mean, the list goes on

477
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.679
and on, and it's hard to
know the truth because it's coming at us.

478
00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:00.239
These thoughts and ideas are coming at
us like rapid fire shots, you

479
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:06.159
know. And so even even like
you said, you know, even with

480
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:13.519
the onset of a worldwide plandemic and
the you know, pushing the vaccines,

481
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.280
you know, it's like, you
know, any you know, we we

482
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.880
didn't have time to think that through. We were just pressed and forced or

483
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.119
made it was, we were made
to feel like we got to do this.

484
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.079
We've got to do this, you
know, We've got to stop this

485
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:35.719
pandemic. We've got we must be
vaccinated, you know, And I oh,

486
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.239
I swear I think that was going
to be the hell that I died

487
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:43.719
on because I was not going to
do it. I was not going to

488
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:50.559
comply to that. And you know, I mean it's frightening to take a

489
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.880
stand like that, to to you
know, to take a bold stand like

490
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:59.400
that. But you know, anytime
I feel pushed or pressed to make a

491
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.840
decision, the answer is no.
I mean, I'm sorry, it's just

492
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.800
no, I've gotta I gotta process
that, you know what I mean.

493
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:15.360
Amen? So, okay, So
here's here's another thing we we we truly

494
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:21.159
do need to know what we believe
and why we believe it for sure.

495
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:27.280
And so here's here's another little topic
that I've stumbled upon, and it's these

496
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.960
ancient trees. I sent you some
pictures of it, and I don't know,

497
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.239
have you seen anything about that?
Yeah, it's come up before,

498
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.519
and I think one of them.
Was it in Wyoming, the big one,

499
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:44.039
the Devil's Tree or something. M
Yes, yeah, I certainly have.

500
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:49.800
And you're right, it does look
like just a huge tree stump.

501
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:57.199
Yeah. So that's just another another
element, you know, of of it.

502
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:01.440
And I stumbled upon this this guy. You know, actually, while

503
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.800
I was in the Flat Earth rabbit
hole, I met myself there in the

504
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:14.239
Ancient Tree rabbit Hole, and I
found this guy called Hangman eleven twenty eight

505
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:20.159
dash too, that's his username on
YouTube, and his content is incredible.

506
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:27.159
He is showing that much of what
we believe to be mountain ranges or mountains

507
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:32.159
are actually fossilized tree stumps. And
if you look at the lines in the

508
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.760
formations of the Grand Canyon, it
really appears to be remnants of a giant

509
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:43.440
tree forest. I mean, there's
so many that you can look up,

510
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:47.960
and you know, the Navajo Tribal
Park, the bad Lands National Park,

511
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.760
the Garden of the Gods, so
many of those places it just looks like

512
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:58.840
fossilized trees. And then there was
another video where this guy pulls up the

513
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:06.800
Google Earth and he scrolls in zooms
in on Madagascar to show areas that looks

514
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:14.320
like remnants of giant tree stumps that
are eight miles in diameter, and then

515
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:19.800
you can also see what appears to
be like giant fossilized branches and leaves.

516
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:25.320
One even commented that he believes the
Earth is like a giant root system,

517
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:30.039
which makes sense, you know,
I mean, it makes sense. We

518
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.840
you know, we have no idea
actually what the ancient Earth was prior to

519
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:42.599
the flood, you know. But
there's references in Ezekiel about a massive tree

520
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:49.320
that overstretches the forest and it towers
into the sky with thick hop foliage.

521
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.800
And I'm sure there's more references.
But we know that there were giants on

522
00:45:53.960 --> 00:46:00.360
Earth before, up to nine foot
tall, weighing approximately six hundred paces.

523
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.599
I mean, we don't know everything
for certain, but there's just still so

524
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:10.960
much mystery, but there's definitely clues, you know, left behind, and

525
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.880
it's all just so interesting to me. So is it your line of thinking

526
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.400
that pre flood, everything including the
people and the foliage, everything was just

527
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.360
much bigger, and then when God
reset the Earth after the flood, things

528
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:29.960
were made at a smaller scale,
possibly, I mean, because everything changed,

529
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:36.280
you know, there was I've read
before that like the oxygen levels in

530
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:39.800
the Earth was much greater, you
know, prior to the flood, and

531
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:45.559
you know, I mean dinosaurs,
you know. I mean I think definitely

532
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:52.159
the Earth went through some kind of
cataclysmic change. And I mean we don't

533
00:46:52.280 --> 00:47:00.079
have you know, the rich oxygen
you know now like we did like it

534
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:01.239
was back then, right, I
mean, have you heard that before?

535
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:07.480
I have. Yeah, yeah,
so I mean I do, I do.

536
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.679
It's just it's just all of these
things are just very interesting to think

537
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:15.920
about. So it's you know,
it leads me back, like to the

538
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:21.199
Bible and how I arrived at my
current beliefs. So yes, there's sixty

539
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:27.159
six authors over hundreds of years of
time. From what we know, the

540
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:31.119
Gospels were not written until twenty or
sixty years after the death of Jesus.

541
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.800
So if you think about that,
I mean, could you really remember all

542
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.960
of the details from something that you
experienced from twenty or sixty years ago.

543
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:46.840
I mean, that would be that
would be hard. I mean, And

544
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.719
my point in saying that is we
just don't have all of the details,

545
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:57.599
and maybe God intended it that way. I think there's so much more to

546
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:04.559
the story that we will find out
one day. The written Bible has caused

547
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:09.320
so much division since its existence.
I mean, you know, I think

548
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:17.239
there's probably over forty five thousand denominations
in the world, and you know,

549
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.159
I mean a lot of those denominations, all of those you could say division

550
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:29.679
rather than denomination, because it's basically
where people don't agree on the interpretation,

551
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:37.440
and so we've you know, formed
all these different denominations, but honestly,

552
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.679
the bottom line is love, love
God, love your neighbor. Period.

553
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:47.920
You know, I'm going by memory
here, but you know, as the

554
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.679
Disciples in the Book of Acts were
full of the Holy Spirit, it says

555
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:59.119
they went out and they turned the
world upside down in a two year period.

556
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.559
Well they did that without a Bible. They didn't carry around any printed

557
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.800
paperwork, you know, and they
didn't tell people, hey, you need

558
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:14.159
to study your Bible, you need
to have your quiet time. No,

559
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:19.920
they just simply let the fullness of
love lead them and it was pretty simple.

560
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:23.920
And you know, another thing,
I know I'm probably pushing on some

561
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:30.800
controversial things, but it's okay in
your beliefs. Yeah, it's another thing

562
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:37.519
was the controversy about tithing. Should
we tithe should we not? And in

563
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.360
my opinion, the answer to that
is a big, fat no. Tithing

564
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:47.559
was initiated back in the Old Testament
when there was a tabernacle in the wilderness

565
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:53.880
and later a temple. The twelve
tribes were all given their portion of the

566
00:49:53.960 --> 00:50:00.440
land, except for the Levites.
They were to manage the temple. People

567
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:06.519
brought their tithes into the temple as
the atonement of sin on behalf of their

568
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:12.039
families. But it wasn't necessarily money. It was the tithe was brought based

569
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.880
on what they had. For example, if they owned cattle, if they

570
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.079
had ten cattle, then one out
of every cattle was brought to the temple.

571
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.559
If they had turtle doves, they
brought one of those. If they

572
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:29.119
had a garden, they brought a
tenth of their crops. If they had

573
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.800
herbs and spices, they brought a
tenth of that, and so on,

574
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:38.840
and all of these miscellaneous things that
were brought were sacrifices to God. They

575
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:45.199
fed the levites, and it was
also to care for the poor orphans and

576
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:53.639
widows. The Jews observed those six
hundred and thirteen laws for generations until Jesus

577
00:50:53.760 --> 00:51:00.000
arrived on the scene. He ended
the days of following those laws and said

578
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:06.119
that those laws would now be written
on our hearts. Those laws were no

579
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:10.599
longer to be strictly followed. He
broke it down into a simple statement,

580
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:17.280
again, love God, love your
neighbor. And this subject became a heated

581
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.480
debate in the Book of Acts.
Do they continue to follow the old law

582
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.000
or do they not? Do men
still need to be circumcised or do they

583
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.800
not? They were, I mean
they were early, they were in they

584
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.800
didn't know, they didn't know.
They were trying to figure everything out,

585
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.719
and finally they reached a consensus that
note, this is a new work that

586
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:44.360
God has done, and we no
longer have to follow the old law.

587
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.480
And it's so freeing to understand this. It was a turning point for me

588
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.559
in my opinion. The bodern day
churches are more like businesses, and in

589
00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:00.760
a weird way, they are trying
to say that they are the temple,

590
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:06.920
but that's not really true. Our
body is the temple. So you know,

591
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:12.840
the pressure on the congregation to tithe, bring your tithe to the storehouse

592
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:16.320
so a curse won't fall on you. It's kind of like a fear tactic

593
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:22.760
in those buildings are nothing but a
liability. They cost so much to maintain,

594
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:29.320
and in most cases they're empty five
days out of the week. I

595
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:32.719
mean, would we pay a high
mortgage to only live in a house for

596
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:38.880
two days a week. No.
I definitely believe that we should be givers.

597
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:46.519
All of that money given to churches
should be stopped. I think instead,

598
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:52.599
each family who normally tithes to the
church. Why not give to the

599
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:58.599
people nearby where they live, the
people in need, the poor, orphans

600
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:02.079
and widows in their own neighbor goods
and give consistently, just like you would

601
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:09.360
a tithe every week. They are
the most vulnerable group in society. And

602
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.920
I have been in that boat,
and I'm still in that boat to a

603
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.119
great degree. I mean, I
know a lot of single women in this

604
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.800
same position. You know, they've
been through a divorce whatever reason, and

605
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:29.639
they're now alone. And it's a
very scary place to be, especially when

606
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:34.760
I think about over the course of
seventeen years, we were in a church

607
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:42.920
and we were regular tithers, and
over time we probably gave seventy five thousand

608
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:49.840
dollars seventy five thousand dollars, and
it could have been money for our own

609
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.480
family or our own children. It
could have been used, you know,

610
00:53:53.599 --> 00:54:00.280
for investing, or you know,
to help secure my future as I age.

611
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:07.119
And so I would definitely encourage people
to research all of that, you

612
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:10.440
know, don't just take what I'm
saying, but look into it and see,

613
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:16.079
you know, see how you feel
led on those things. And it's

614
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:23.119
it's heavy topics, but I don't
know, it's like how can you really

615
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:29.840
you know, serving the world.
I mean, how can you truly do

616
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:35.719
that from a good place if you're
not taking care of yourself first? Do

617
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:37.199
you know what I mean? I
mean it kind of goes back to what

618
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:42.079
we were. It touches on what
we were saying earlier about our kids.

619
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:47.199
I mean, we really need to
come from a place of strength in ourself

620
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.559
and emotional wellness, financial stability,
you know, before we can really help

621
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:57.480
anyone else, do you know what
I mean? Just like you're on a

622
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.719
plane, get right, the oxygen
falls and you got to put yours on

623
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.679
before you help others. That's kind
of what you're You have to take care

624
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:08.159
of yourself and make sure your house
is in order before you go outside.

625
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:13.599
Exactly, Yeah, exactly. And
so if I could interject just for a

626
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:17.639
second, yeah, before I forget
that this is an email I get secondly

627
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.880
to to how do we fix how
do we wake people up? But people

628
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.840
say often to me, and I
think, just off the top of my

629
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.159
head, most of the people who
send this type of email are either Gen

630
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:37.280
X or baby boomers that say that
they don't connect with churches today. And

631
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.719
because like you said, many of
the churches have, it's a nutrient,

632
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:46.880
it's live music, and it's casual. And again I'm not judging people like

633
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:50.840
how you worship that your thing,
but what I'm saying is a lot of

634
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:57.639
people have a hard time just feeling
comfortable at a church. Then I also

635
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:02.719
have a large group of people who
love their church and feel that fellowship in

636
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:08.320
person with people is important to them. And actually, you know, when

637
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:13.920
you look around at the world today
and you kind of realize where we are,

638
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:17.360
it is kind of good to know
people in person in your community who

639
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:22.119
you can trust and who can have
your back of things do go sideways at

640
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.920
the same time, like I'm going
back and forth all over this, but

641
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:32.320
you have people like Joel Olstein and
the guy in Georgia kreufflow Dollar. You

642
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:38.440
see their homes and their planes,
and their net worth is in the hundreds

643
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:42.880
of millions of dollars. And then
that's when you say to yourself, what

644
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:47.400
are we doing here? If you're
truly serving God, you should be humble,

645
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.360
I mean extremely humble, and that
money should be going outward, not

646
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:58.119
inward. And that is actually a
conversation I had with a local pastor because

647
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.880
they do a lot of internal things, And I said to him, why

648
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:07.760
aren't we doing these things externally?
Why aren't we like they did a monthly

649
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.079
barbecue, Why aren't we cooking up
food and taking it to where the needy

650
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.400
are and saying, hey, free
burgers. And then when the people come

651
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.639
up to grab free food, you
have a conversation with that person and you

652
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.960
know, share some wisdom knowledge,
and you know, ask him where they

653
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.559
are spiritually. That that should be
the goal. But what I've seen,

654
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.519
at least here, and again this
is not an overall general criticism of churches.

655
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:37.039
Everybody has their own way of doing
things. But what I have seen

656
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:46.800
is churches should be focused externally helping
people. And when you see, I

657
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:50.719
had a listener send me a picture
three or four months ago of a new

658
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:53.000
Catholic church that had just been built. He's a contractor, and I think

659
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:59.119
he said the total bill was nine
million dollars. Oh, nine million dollars.

660
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:00.440
And then that's when he say,
what are we really doing here?

661
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.480
I also get emails from people who
hold church services in their front yards and

662
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.199
tents, and that's really where we
need to get back to. If you,

663
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.079
if you really want to get to
a reformation two point zero. Don't

664
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.880
start by trying to find a loan
for a quarter of a million dollars to

665
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:17.960
buy an old building, because the
church is the people, not the building.

666
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:24.599
Exactly right, exactly right, And
you know you mentioning Joel Osteing and

667
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:30.519
pastors like him, you know,
it's it's basically it's the leadership of you

668
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.199
know, our government too. I
mean it's you know, there's corruption everywhere,

669
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.760
and as as the leaders go,
so go the people. And you

670
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:44.559
know, this is a side note, but there's a representative. Your name

671
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:49.400
is Katie Porter, and boy,
she's making a difference. And she is

672
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:55.039
wearing these these politicians and CEOs,
she is wearing them out, you know

673
00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:00.800
about their you know, multi million
dollar salary, and y'all to check her

674
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:07.280
out sometime. She posts some videos
on TikTok. But anyway, exactly right,

675
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.039
and you know, I think,
you know, it's like I said

676
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:15.159
before, love God, love,
love your neighbor. It's pretty simple.

677
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:21.440
And you know, the poor orphans
and widows are all around us, and

678
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.960
you know it's like why not just
be willing, you know, not just

679
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:30.119
what she said is great, I
mean, you know, providing a meal

680
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.840
or something and trying to talk to
somebody and really you just want to share

681
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:37.920
it. You just want to love
them, because love is what gets people,

682
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:44.280
you know, love is what gets
a person's attention. But you know,

683
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:49.119
why not you know, pay pay
a light bill, pay a house

684
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:54.519
note, pay a you know,
do something very practical for those struggling single

685
00:59:54.599 --> 01:00:00.360
moms, you know, or you
know, aging women, because like I

686
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:07.880
said, you know, we're the
vulnerable ones in society honestly. And then

687
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:12.039
another thing, you know, it's
like, you know, the church is

688
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:16.280
the light of the world. But
what's so shocking to realize is you know

689
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.079
here, you know, we're of
course in the Bible Belt, but here

690
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:27.119
there is literally a church on every
corner. Sure and if there, if

691
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:32.280
it's the light of the world,
they're failing because society is not getting better,

692
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:37.199
it's getting darker. And you know, I think people who attend the

693
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:43.440
buildings regularly kind of developed this mindset
that, well, you know, I've

694
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.079
done my service, I've checked the
box, I've served God this week.

695
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:52.719
But all the while they're neglecting the
world around them, you know, and

696
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:57.000
it's just we're just asleep. I
mean, you know, it's like you

697
01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:01.639
said, we're just asleep. But
you know that that leads me to another

698
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:06.719
another point. So you know you're
talking about you're going to visit Memphis here

699
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:13.639
pretty soon? Yep, And yeah, Elvis, who graceland? But Memphis

700
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:20.480
is actually the opposite of a graceland. And you know, sadly, right

701
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:27.599
now, Memphis, Tennessee is number
one in crime in the entire United States

702
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:34.679
of America. It's actually pretty pretty
frightening. So I'm writing a book.

703
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.599
I'm writing a book about about it, you know, about the crime in

704
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:44.280
Memphis. And I wanted to give
you a little bit of backstory. So

705
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:49.320
a couple of years ago, I
was living with a friend of mine temporarily,

706
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:55.000
and my oldest daughter had bought a
house in Memphis against my better judgment,

707
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.199
you know, I mean, and
my other daughter was living downtown in

708
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:07.400
some apartments and a lord against my
judgment. I was so afraid for them,

709
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.559
but you know, they're grown,
so I don't I can't really dictate

710
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:16.119
what they do, and the only
thing I can do is worry, you

711
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:22.159
know, and I'm good at worrying
about that. But so my oldest daughter

712
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:23.480
mentioned, she said, hey,
Mom, why don't you just buy a

713
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:30.400
house near me? And so I
had taken a promotion with my job and

714
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:34.880
I really needed my own space so
I could set up an office. So

715
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:38.480
that's what I did. I bought
a house near her, even though even

716
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:43.559
though I kind of had some checks
in my spirit about it. The houses

717
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:47.360
are like seventy years old, so
I did some updates on it before I

718
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:52.880
moved in, and the house was
truly adorable. I mean, it really

719
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:57.400
was. But the very first night
I moved in, I heard gunshots,

720
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:05.400
heard gunshots, and immediately I was
just nauseated by regret of moving there.

721
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:09.599
I mean, I set up a
ring camera notifications on my phone, and

722
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:16.079
to my utter shock and dismay,
there was a hot bed of crime all

723
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:23.199
around me. I followed the Memphis
Police Facebook page and the Stop Memphis Crime

724
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:30.039
Facebook page, and I literally became
paralyzed by fear. It is no joke.

725
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:35.960
You can literally get shot and killed
driving down the street. There are

726
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:42.760
multiple shootings daily and for the most
part, these thugs are in control of

727
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:47.760
Memphis and they know it. They
absolutely take whatever they want. They always

728
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:52.840
carry guns. They canvas in the
neighborhoods every single night in packs of four.

729
01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:55.760
You know, there's all kinds of
videos, you know, from the

730
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.400
ring cameras on that they break in
cars and they'll take they'll take everything.

731
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:05.559
They'll steal the car, and they'll
race up and down the interstate doing ninety

732
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:10.559
miles an hour, weaving in and
out of the traffic. It's scary.

733
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:16.800
Crime occurs morning, noon, and
night, it doesn't matter. Last year,

734
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.880
after Thanksgiving dinner, my oldest daughter
and her boyfriend were awakened by a

735
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:29.320
notification on their phone. A thug
was under their car port trying to get

736
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:33.199
into her car. When the light
came on, it did not stop him.

737
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:39.719
He arrogantly looked at the camera and
smiled, wow, Yeah, looked

738
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.440
at it, smile. They were
terrified. You know, they were in

739
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.480
the house kind of watching it unfold, and you know, they called the

740
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:53.239
police and the guy ended up leaving. But still, I mean, you

741
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.480
know, you get awakened to that
at one o'clock in the morning, it's

742
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:01.159
terrifying because you don't know what they're
going to do. So the next thing

743
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:06.679
that happened my other daughter, who
lived in a downtown apartment, her car

744
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:15.039
was stolen by five thugs who jumped
the fence. It happened about twenty minutes

745
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:20.079
or so after she got home from
work and this made my blood bowl.

746
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:27.519
She had literally just paid her car
off and you know all of that to

747
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:32.000
say that. You know, Memphisy, it's the number one, number one

748
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:40.880
in crime for the United States.
So you know, I just it's you

749
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:45.440
you can't even imagine. I mean
literally the stuff that goes on. What

750
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:53.000
did you start to notice that the
city started to really take a turn for

751
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:56.119
the worst. Was it twenty twenty
or was it really far before that?

752
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.960
Well, I mean Memphis has always
been known for the crime, but you're

753
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:05.000
you know, probably after COVID for
sure, you know when that hit.

754
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:09.679
I mean I think it's probably not. It's not just happening in Memphis.

755
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:15.599
It's all over the country. Memphis
is number one, and so yeah,

756
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:21.400
I mean it's it's it's very unnerving
to see. I mean I was I

757
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:28.840
was out on a call and passed
a vehicle that had you know, those

758
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.639
AKA rifles hanging out of the window, you know, I mean they passed

759
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:35.760
me and I was just like,
oh my god. I mean, it's

760
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:40.480
so it's so unnerving. I mean, you you have to keep your head

761
01:06:40.519 --> 01:06:45.920
on a swivel, and you know, if anybody tells you, oh,

762
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:50.280
it's not that bad. You just
have to be careful. Don't listen to

763
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:56.079
that person because they don't They clearly
don't know the facts. It is one

764
01:06:56.119 --> 01:07:00.360
hundred percent dangerous. I mean,
it's there's so many things I could tell

765
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:04.119
you about the crime. I mean, it's posted on the Memphis Police website

766
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:10.000
and the Stop Memphis Crime. It's
posted just the horror. And there's been

767
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:15.400
police officers shot. I think last
year there were five police officers shot toward

768
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:21.679
the end of the year. And
I mean just daily, there's break ins.

769
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:26.599
There's mob break ins, you know
at the retail stores. Yep,

770
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:30.960
they just take whatever they want.
Yeah, And so I'm sorry, go

771
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:33.119
ahead, Oh yeah, go ahead. I was let to say. And

772
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:39.320
I get because in twenty twenty they
would magnify if a police officer did something.

773
01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:42.159
And I'm here to tell you I
was in Bagdad during the surge.

774
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:46.719
And when you get shot at every
single day, people get on edge.

775
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:53.960
And maybe when things happened, maybe
your escalation of force doesn't carry through because

776
01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:59.440
you do, especially when you see
your buddies get shot, like the policemen

777
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:05.199
have seen their buddies get shot.
So things escalate. And if and here's

778
01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:10.199
the thing. You know, people
love to pen blame on a certain entity.

779
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:15.880
And while the government and education everything
has failed society. At the end

780
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:20.000
of the day, they've destroyed community
and they don't allow parents to parent,

781
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:28.119
and the education system tells them to
focus on individualism and that everybody's a winner.

782
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.520
At just the fallacies of the last
thirty years, all of these things

783
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:36.159
permeating together have really caused the decline
of our society. Yeah, I agree

784
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:44.000
with that one. And you know
also, I mean just there's corruption.

785
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:45.840
I mean, they're you know,
we've touched on that. But have you

786
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:49.319
heard of Chris Ann Hall? Have
you ever heard of her? Not off

787
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:53.920
the top of my head. No, oh, oh, you'll you'll love

788
01:08:53.960 --> 01:09:00.439
her. So, you know,
she she's put out some education but a

789
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:05.159
couple of movies called non Compliant.
That was the first one and the second

790
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:13.000
one was non compliant to the sheriff. And so she is going around the

791
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:18.920
country at trying to educate people on
just the foundation of the constitution. And

792
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:21.439
okay, let me ask you this. I'm just going to see, if

793
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:28.119
you know, so, who is
who's got the most authority? Is it

794
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:32.439
the federal government or the state governments? Well, according to the Constitution,

795
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:38.279
the federal government is in charge of
everything listed in the first nine amendments,

796
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:42.399
and then the tenth Amendment clearly states
if it's not covered in the Constitution,

797
01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.560
it clearly goes to the state,
which it should. The states should have

798
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.800
most of the power. And again, if it's not in the first nine,

799
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:55.199
the state covers everything else. Yeah. Well, so she's going around

800
01:09:55.239 --> 01:10:00.520
teaching about you know, basically,
the federal government was formed out of the

801
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:05.800
first thirteen colonies or states. They
it was birth and so they were not

802
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:16.039
supposed to ever have an overreaching arm
over the state constitutions and so so anyway,

803
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:19.439
she said, but over time,
you know, of course, the

804
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:26.800
federal government has taken you know,
they've taken more ground and taken more ground,

805
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:30.000
and it's the boiling frog effect.
Nobody really has noticed it, and

806
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:33.439
so a lot of people they don't
understand. They think, if the federal

807
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:38.000
government says something, then we have
to obey it without you know, without

808
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:42.760
hesitation. But she says, no, that's not the case. And she

809
01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:48.479
you know, she explained the history
so back. I can't remember the name.

810
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:53.640
It was a king. It was
a king in England. Can't remember

811
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:59.920
the name but anyway, so he
had you know, they were called shires,

812
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:03.720
not counties, they were called shire
and the king had reeves who did

813
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:09.399
his bidding and whatever the king wanted, then the reeve would you know,

814
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:13.560
carry that out. Well later on, I guess it was during the Magna

815
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:17.920
Carta, and I think she mentioned
it was article sixty one where it changed.

816
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:23.399
It changed, and so you know, some of our founding documents came

817
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:28.600
from that. But it was like
the reeve became an advocate for the people,

818
01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:30.600
and he did the bidding, the
bidding of the people, you know,

819
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:35.560
like against the crown or whatever if
need be. And so he represented

820
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:40.199
the people, and so some of
our founding documents kind of you know,

821
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:44.720
came from that. And so basically, you know, she's saying that the

822
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:47.520
sheriff came from those two words.
It was emerging of those two words.

823
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:56.199
The sheriff actually has more authority than
the federal government one hundredth penden I have

824
01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.520
said that in a nauseum, that
that your sheriff is the most power.

825
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.560
Griff has the ability to tell the
FBI to pound cend That's how powerful.

826
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:06.479
That is, exactly right. So
you know, you know when all of

827
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:11.760
these things were happening during COVID.
She she tells some stories about that,

828
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.119
and I think one of them is
on that second series that she did the

829
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:20.600
non Compliant to but I think,
you know, I can't remember all the

830
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:25.640
details. But anyway, the sheriff
stood up to the federal government and said,

831
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:28.439
you're not going to shut our church
down. You're not going to shut

832
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.159
this down. Get out of my
county. And so basically they had to

833
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:36.720
leave. And you know, we
need sheriffs like that who've got the backbone

834
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:42.079
enough. And they're not, you
know, they're not what do you want

835
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:44.960
to say that they haven't given in
to the corruption. You know, they're

836
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.359
not willing to take a check on
expense of the people and you know,

837
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:53.960
the constituents. I mean, so
there's a lot to that. But anyway,

838
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:59.720
she's put out so much good information. But so the book I'm writing,

839
01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:05.640
really it's just it's just I think
it's just been a way for me

840
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:12.680
to vent my frustrations, you know, over and my anger over what's happening

841
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:16.479
in Memphis. It's just, you
know, it's crazy. So of course

842
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:20.439
the setting is in Memphis, and
it could be considered a fiction, a

843
01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:26.600
fantasy, a mystery thriller or even
a drama, and the storyline features a

844
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.239
group of friends who are tired of
living in fear because of this crime,

845
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:35.520
and they come up with the plan
to do something about it, and they

846
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:42.000
also figure out along the way why
there's so much crime. I don't want

847
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:46.680
to give too much away, but
it's it's really I mean, I've gotten

848
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:50.520
I started it over a year ago, and I mean I've only been able

849
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:54.319
to work on it, you know, in bits and pieces, but I'm

850
01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:57.039
kind of getting toward the end of
it now. I'm trying to wrap it

851
01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:00.920
up. But it definitely has elements
of the flow at Earth in it,

852
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:06.439
and you know, it's just it's
just a way to, you know,

853
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:11.600
like I said, combat the crime. And I don't know, give give

854
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:15.479
people something else to think about,
because it's maddening, you know, and

855
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:18.479
even I want to even I hinted
there about Chris Chris Anne Hall, because

856
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:24.399
we need an uprising. There needs
to be an uprising in the land,

857
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:30.920
and you know, things need to
change, and you know, I just

858
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:33.960
don't see how you know, it's
going to continue on like this, I

859
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:39.399
mean, but we definitely need to
make those contacts and we need to have

860
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:44.439
like minded people, you know,
who we can who we can collaborate with,

861
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:50.000
and you know, when if things
do get bad or go south or

862
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:55.600
whatever whatever happens. I mean,
I don't know, I think anything is

863
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:59.720
possible, but you know, I
would love to, you know, come

864
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:03.800
back when I finished the book.
It's it's gonna be called Nemesis, and

865
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:09.279
you know, I would love to
come back maybe and talk about that when

866
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.560
I get it published, and maybe
you could give me a shout out for

867
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:16.079
that. Sure, I've got a
I've got a very very dear friend who's

868
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:19.520
been reading it and she's like,
you know, she she's telling me she

869
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:23.720
loves it, and she said,
I think I think you're on something here.

870
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:27.520
So that's exciting. I mean,
I appreciate that encouragement, you know,

871
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.239
and you know, as I said
before, you know, kind of

872
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:35.920
being in this vulnerable position, you
know, getting older and being alone.

873
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:40.880
It's you know, I'm trying to
you know, I'm trying to do something

874
01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:44.920
and I don't, you know,
just to kind of help my future,

875
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:49.560
you know what I mean? Right, absolutely, And that's awesome that you're

876
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:55.800
because you're a creative person, so
I'm sure writing gives you some peace of

877
01:15:55.840 --> 01:16:00.560
mind and enjoyment. At the same
time, you're also raising awareness to subject

878
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:05.159
that while Memphis may be number one, I think most people either near or

879
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:11.520
even into the suburbs now with the
way urban sprawl is happening. Uh,

880
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:14.960
there's a lot of people that are
dealing with crime right now, and I

881
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:20.000
think that's important that you're getting artistic
enjoyment from it. But at the same

882
01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:27.159
time you're raising awareness. Yeah,
it's the story is pretty wild. I'm

883
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:31.119
just going to tell you, it's
pretty wild, and it takes a lot

884
01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:39.239
of unexpected twists and turns, and
you know, I'm trying to really like

885
01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:45.319
research the Like anytime anytime I've watched
that Facebook page of the police department,

886
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:49.479
I'll start looking them up. I'll
because it will name the you know,

887
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:54.520
the suspects or whatever. So I'll
look them up on social media, and

888
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:59.960
you know, I'm trying to get
into their world and I'm trying to understand

889
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.880
and you know, their mentality,
and it's almost like and it's a lot

890
01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:08.439
of it could be no fault of
their own, honestly, you know.

891
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:14.119
I mean, if they were born
into an environment where they only have one

892
01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:17.560
parent, or maybe they were putting
foster or whatever. You know, you

893
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:21.279
know, a lot of this initially
wasn't their fault, but they have evolved

894
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:26.640
and developed in a way that's a
danger to society. And it's almost like

895
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:32.560
a subculture. And they have their
own vernacular, and you know, if

896
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:38.000
you were to read some of the
communication that they have between each other,

897
01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:44.640
you you know, you would consider
it very you know, just I don't

898
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:48.960
even know the word just disgusting,
you know, and trashy and but but

899
01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:54.880
I can see to them it's just
normal. It's just normal. It's just

900
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:59.800
how they communicate. And but you
know, I mean, I guess people

901
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:03.399
don't communicate like that. It's kind
of it's frightening, you know, it

902
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:08.840
can be frightening when you hear a
lot of these words and you know,

903
01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:12.960
the things that they're saying. But
I have just found it so interesting to

904
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:16.640
kind of to kind of just make
it the subject of study, you know,

905
01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:21.880
as I'm trying to layer in different
aspects of the story. Well done,

906
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:25.800
Will I certainly look forward to it, And as we kind of come

907
01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.720
into our last fifteen minutes, I
do have two questions. I want to

908
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:30.720
ask you if there's anything else on
your list you wanted to cover, we

909
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.000
could do that as well. I
kind of want to go back to the

910
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:38.680
first thirty minutes of the podcast when
you had talked about how you were involved

911
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:42.319
with the church and then how you've
stepped away with it to where you are

912
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:53.359
today. Do you think that it's
the organized religion that is a problem or

913
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:58.439
do you think it's just like you
said, there's forty five thousand denominations,

914
01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:01.439
and each denomination said their way is
the right way, and there's it just

915
01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:08.119
brings about so much dispute. What
are your thoughts on that? Yeah,

916
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:13.399
I mean I think it is the
organized religion because I think you know,

917
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:18.239
the modern day churches, as I
touched on, I think they have you

918
01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:24.119
know, tried to make those church
buildings like a house of worship or a

919
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:28.880
you know sort of like a temple, and you know, they're expensive,

920
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:32.680
the buildings. They're expensive to buy, they're expensive to maintain, you know,

921
01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:35.920
and then you've got you know,
salaries that you have to pay for.

922
01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:42.359
But but you know, I guess
what I would say is, you

923
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.239
know, find a group of people
for sure. I mean, you know,

924
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:50.439
today with zoom calls and the Internet
and stuff like that, meetups you

925
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:59.159
could literally connect online virtually and find
a group of like minded people, believers,

926
01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:01.720
you know what ever, you know, and it just kind of be

927
01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:08.640
all locally, you know, like
just for example, right now, I'm

928
01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:13.640
renting, but you know, if
I could find you know, two or

929
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:16.960
three people just right here nearby and
we felt the same way and we were

930
01:20:17.039 --> 01:20:21.520
like minded, just think about the
good we could do just right here where

931
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:27.119
we are. You know, you
don't really have to think far across the

932
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.439
ocean, you know, to go
do a missionary trip necessarily, but there's

933
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:35.359
so much need right here among us, every everybody, where we all live.

934
01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:41.800
Does that make sense? Absolutely?
It makes sense. And in retrospect,

935
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.119
like you know, I've had Pastor
Odelon. If I lived even within

936
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:47.800
a three hour drive of him,
I would take the time every Sunday to

937
01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:54.840
drive to his church and worship with
him, just because his message resonates so

938
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:59.680
much with him. And you can
tell he doesn't have a multimillion dollar building

939
01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.079
and some than that he put together
and his message is clear. And the

940
01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:08.079
other thing is he's a true leader. And I think that's something that I've

941
01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:14.239
spoken about before. If you're going
to assume being a pastor that that is

942
01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:19.279
a huge responsibility, Yes, idiot, is when people's marriage is on the

943
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:24.079
rocks and you know they come to
you, the pastor, for advice,

944
01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:30.159
so you're literally can be the difference
between what happens in their future. Just

945
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:35.439
there's so much involved with it.
Even for myself, I understand the responsibility.

946
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:39.720
But at the same time, you
have to be willing to touch on

947
01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:45.840
things that may be perceived as controversial, and you should let your congregation know

948
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:48.319
how you feel about it. And
I think there's a lot of pastors out

949
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:54.119
and again I'm not generalizing, I'm
just speaking from the heart. I've been

950
01:21:54.159 --> 01:22:02.159
to churches where pastors are afraid to
do that. You know, especially go

951
01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:05.800
back to twenty twenty, they should
have talked about what was going on and

952
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:11.359
not avoided the churches being shut down. Nobody should have shut their churches down.

953
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.760
And again, like I think pastor
lock out of I think he's in

954
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.800
Tennessee too, Mount Julie, Tennessee. That they kept going. And those

955
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:24.359
are the preachers and pastors I have
the utmost respect for who. They don't

956
01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:27.199
answer to man, they answer to
God. And that goes full circle back

957
01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:31.359
to what we were talking about.
Earlier with government saying which one has more

958
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:36.079
power. The truth is we get
our rights from God. They're God given.

959
01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:40.720
The state doesn't give them to us. The federal government doesn't give them

960
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:45.760
to us. We should have rules, common sense rules that everybody should follow.

961
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.439
But like you said, this is
the federal government and even does some

962
01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:56.039
you know, the state governments have
become just monsters that you know, parasitically

963
01:22:56.079 --> 01:23:00.000
suck away twenty five thirty percent of
your income. You have to buy license

964
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:03.800
to fish, You're not allowed to
harvest your own water from the rain.

965
01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:09.960
It's just really really ridiculous. And
you know, the Declaration of Independence,

966
01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:12.800
if you all take the time to
read that second paragraph, it tells you

967
01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:17.159
if if the government becomes you know, if like it is today, you

968
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:24.199
have a responsibility. And unfortunately,
I've been at this for years and people

969
01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:28.840
love listening to this, but most
people are not willing to take any type

970
01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:33.079
of action to rectify the situation.
Exactly exactly. And yeah, and just

971
01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:36.439
to add to that, you know, yeah, I mean if there's like,

972
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:40.920
you know, congregation somewhere, I
mean, yes, people you know

973
01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:44.560
want to do that. And I'm
not saying it's one hundred percent wrong.

974
01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:47.800
I'm not saying that, but but
you know, like even Jesus, the

975
01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:53.119
example was he had twelve men,
and I think it's it's it would be

976
01:23:53.239 --> 01:24:00.840
hard for one man to like be
intimately connected with more than twelve men or

977
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:03.760
twelve families. So it's kind of
it kind of goes back to Moses,

978
01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:06.960
you know, where he he said, Okay, you're gonna be a ruler

979
01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:10.760
over ten, You're going to be
a ruler over this many, you know.

980
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:15.720
I mean I think it needs because
you're you're right, one person cannot

981
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:19.279
give more energy than he has,
you know. I mean it needs to

982
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:24.600
be just like within reason, like
how much how many people can you literally

983
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:29.319
be in connection with, you know, and help or teach or lead or

984
01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:32.560
does that make sense? I mean
it's but definitely I think, you know,

985
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:39.760
the focus needs to be love,
and you know, love, I

986
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:44.600
mean that's the bottom line. Yeah, absolutely, And even if we just

987
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:51.119
put that first and foremost love and
personally me, I'm not I'll share my

988
01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:57.319
love of Jesus Christ to others and
God and the flat earth. I've taken

989
01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.359
all those walls downs because excuse me, taking all the walls down, because

990
01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:05.399
I realize when looking at the Bible, when looking at the world today,

991
01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:09.159
and just by looking at the world
today, you know that we are in

992
01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:14.399
perilous times. So I'm at the
point now where I'm not going to hide

993
01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:16.640
behind a wall or a mantra or
a pseudonym, and I'm really going to

994
01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:23.640
say what I mean. Because what
you're talking about before is kind of like

995
01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:27.479
a domino effect. You can only
personally reach so many people. But if

996
01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:30.199
you touch someone and you motivate them
to do what you're doing, and then

997
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:35.079
they touch someone and motivate them to
do something, then you're really you really

998
01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:39.439
have a chance. But everyone has
to be willing if they resonate with a

999
01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:44.680
message, they need to be willing
to stand up on their soapbox and speak

1000
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:48.520
like yourself. Right, You're putting
yourself out there and saying this is what

1001
01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:53.119
I believe, and if it resonates
with somebody, someone else is going to

1002
01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:58.920
do the same thing. So it's
important to do that. Yeah, I

1003
01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:04.279
agree, I definitely agree. And
my last question for you was, obviously

1004
01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:08.119
you touched on it, but really, as of today, how has the

1005
01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:13.199
flat Earth changed the way you've lived
since coming upon Well, yeah, that's

1006
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:17.000
a good question, you know,
I mean, it hasn't necessarily changed the

1007
01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:23.640
way I live, but it's just
sort of confirmed because I mean, what

1008
01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:27.720
can we do about it anyway,
If the Earth was round or if the

1009
01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.000
earth, you know, the Earth
is flat, there's not one thing we

1010
01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:36.199
can do to change it. But
I think it just has uncovered or illuminated

1011
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:43.319
light on something that I believe we've
been deceived about. And it's just another

1012
01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:47.439
one of those things that we've been
deceived about. And so, you know,

1013
01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:55.319
it just I guess it just makes
me more like I have more peace.

1014
01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:58.720
I think it gives me more peace
than Wow, Okay, that that

1015
01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:03.119
is right. We live on a
flat earth, and it makes sense.

1016
01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:10.359
And I think the biggest thing is
it just shines light on the deception.

1017
01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:14.399
So I don't know, for some
reason, it just gives me a sense

1018
01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:19.279
of freedom, and it just it's
unlocked my mind to just think even more

1019
01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:26.079
broader. I mean, it's like, you know, I mean just thinking

1020
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:31.000
about you know, God and the
infinite, the infinity of Him and the

1021
01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:36.960
possibilities and the creativeness of God.
There's just so much that we don't know,

1022
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:44.840
and yet so much more to explore
and understand, and so I don't

1023
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:50.199
know, it's just opened my mind
and it makes me feel peaceful. That's

1024
01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:58.239
awesome. And by saying peaceful,
that's perfect because all of the things that

1025
01:27:58.359 --> 01:28:04.079
they, the controllers use against us, are multifaceted, but much of it

1026
01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:08.720
is a fear factor because they want
you to depend on them. I had

1027
01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:15.039
an emailer talk to me today.
Back in eighty nine, you know,

1028
01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:18.079
we were celebrating the fall of the
Berlin Wall eight eight or eighty nine,

1029
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:23.760
whatever it was, and right the
Cold War was over. We're always in

1030
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:27.960
some type of war, whether it's
the war against COVID or the war on

1031
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:31.439
terror. There's always an enemy.
And like the day after the fall of

1032
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:36.640
the Berlin waller even the night of
the broadcast, the introduction of climate change

1033
01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:41.039
came about, so there was a
new, a new fear, and of

1034
01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:44.960
course that has been something they've been
milking for for quite some time. So

1035
01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:49.359
there's always and of course heliocentrism.
At any minute, we can all be

1036
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:55.600
wiped out by a meteor, right
an email Yeah, oh yeah, so

1037
01:28:55.800 --> 01:29:00.760
exactly. A heliocentrism hides God,
and of course they can use it for

1038
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:05.800
the black the black money scheme of
NASA, Like you said, the deception

1039
01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:12.239
of hiding God, it is so
many layers to it is. And you

1040
01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:15.359
know, the average person, you
know, I mean, because a lot

1041
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:19.159
of people still trust the government.
They lean on the government, they depend

1042
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:25.720
on the government, and you know, a lot of people think there's no

1043
01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:30.640
way, there's no way they would
do that to us. But oh,

1044
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:33.800
I think there certainly is a way. I mean, I mean, you

1045
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:41.000
know, COVID is a prime example
of that, prime example of that,

1046
01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:45.680
and just the push for the vaccines. And you know, I don't know

1047
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:51.199
if they've done any good or not. Have they prevented COVID, I don't

1048
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:57.520
know. Have they prevented any depths? I don't know, But I don't

1049
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:02.359
know. It was just the whole
concept of that being forced upon us.

1050
01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:08.359
Yep. Absolutely. And again,
if you don't have physical autonomy, if

1051
01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:12.279
you don't have control of your own
body, then your freedom's out the door.

1052
01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:15.760
And they made that very clear.
And the next time they come around

1053
01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:17.640
with it, you know, this
time they held the pressure on for a

1054
01:30:17.720 --> 01:30:21.079
year or two and then they took
their feet off of our throats. But

1055
01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:25.880
I think the next time they run
through this, they're going to have an

1056
01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:30.479
endgame in mind. That's scary to
think it really is. Yeah, I

1057
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:32.319
think the next time a chip's going
to be involved. But that's just my

1058
01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:39.800
thought. Well I've thought the same
thing. And you know, where can

1059
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:42.800
we run? Where can we hide? I mean, that's I guess that's

1060
01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:47.640
really why we need to connect with
people in our local areas who are like

1061
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:55.119
minded and maybe start having a plan
in place of you know, place to

1062
01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:58.840
go. I don't know, or
do we just kind of sit and wait.

1063
01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:03.399
I don't know what the answer is
on that. Well famous guy his

1064
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:08.119
name's Kim dot Com. He's in
New Zealand and he wrote something last week

1065
01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:12.319
that said the only if you really
want to survive what's coming, you need

1066
01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:15.920
to either move to Chile or New
Zealand. And I replied, you know,

1067
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:18.960
there's a million replies, so we
obviously didn't read mine. But this

1068
01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:23.520
is a global what's happening is global, and there is no place to hide.

1069
01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:28.600
And the reason we're in the position
we are today is because we've run

1070
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:30.800
and hie, we didn't. We've
never stood up, at least for the

1071
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:34.600
last two hundred and fifty years.
We haven't stood up and fought back against

1072
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:40.119
a tyrannical enemy. And if we
really want to win, we should stop

1073
01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:45.880
running and stand up for our God
given rights and tell someone who just just

1074
01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:50.439
because you call yourself the president or
whatever, you don't have more rights than

1075
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:56.800
I do. And that's why I've
kind of backed off of claiming the first

1076
01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:02.279
Amendment. This amendment is because number
one on the Constitution is an agreement between

1077
01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:06.199
the people and the government. And
if only one side of the group is

1078
01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:11.199
adhering to it, the people and
the government completely ignores it, why do

1079
01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:14.399
we keep citing it. We should
just say, hey, this is our

1080
01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:17.279
God given rights. Get out of
our lives. But again, the trick

1081
01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:21.239
is getting people on board. Everybody
says, well, I'd love to come

1082
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:24.239
and join you at the Capitol,
Mr, but I gotta work. I

1083
01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:27.920
get a big giant jams up from
soccer practice, and then you know,

1084
01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:32.119
it's just, yeah, something I've
been fighting with for a long time.

1085
01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:36.479
Yeah, and me too. I
mean, you're exactly right, though,

1086
01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:42.000
And I think that's why I've been
so start up by Chris Ann Hall.

1087
01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:48.000
And you know, I guarantee if
you watch those those documentaries, it'll it's

1088
01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:54.720
so opening. And I think I
think, surely there's a remnant. Surely

1089
01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:59.039
there's a remnant of people who would
be willing to stand up. I mean,

1090
01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:01.399
I'd like to say that I would
be, you know, I mean

1091
01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:06.960
because I feel fire in my bones
about losing our freedom. But I don't

1092
01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:12.279
know what I can do just as
one person. But I see it.

1093
01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:17.199
I see it, and you know, I'm angry about it, and you

1094
01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:20.680
know, I just you know,
I hope. I just hope to connect,

1095
01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:24.399
you know. I just would love
to connect with the remnant or the

1096
01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:28.319
like minded people, you know,
when things go down, and maybe we

1097
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:31.800
can affect some change. I don't
know. Well, we certainly won't know

1098
01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:36.199
unless we try. And you know, for the last ten days, besides

1099
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:41.239
being busy here, I've also been
reaching out to I want to start doing

1100
01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:44.720
things locally with churches and schools to
see, hey, are you willing to

1101
01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:48.159
listen to an hour of critical thinking, something that might go against what you

1102
01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:51.840
teach, but at the same time, maybe you'll learn something. And especially

1103
01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:57.039
to the churches, maybe I can
help Lee, I can help you truly

1104
01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.319
understand the Book of Genesis and other
things. But that that that's one of

1105
01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:04.359
the things. When I came upon
the flood Earth and everything else, Genesis

1106
01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:09.279
made sense to me, completely made
sense to me, whether it was nim

1107
01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:12.680
Ride, the flood, the actual
creation story, a lot of things.

1108
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:16.039
Just I was like, okay,
it makes sense now, yeah, exactly

1109
01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:21.760
exactly right. Well, it's been
a tremendous ninety minutes and you've had so

1110
01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:27.479
much information and thoughts, and are
you still in the I meant to ask

1111
01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:29.880
you, are you still in the
same place in Memphis or have you moved?

1112
01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:31.600
Are you in a different location now, like to a safer area.

1113
01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:35.840
Yeah, I've moved, but I'm
just I'm kind of on the outskirts.

1114
01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:40.159
But I'm only renting. You know. I got like, I just I

1115
01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:43.880
felt like I had to just flee, right and you know, sadly I

1116
01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:47.079
lost money a little bit on that
house, and so now I'm just trying

1117
01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:50.960
to regroup and you know, figure
out what my next move will be.

1118
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:58.000
And thankfully, you know, my
girls got out to sound good. Yeah,

1119
01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:01.159
safe place, the astroport. You
know. Yeah, it's again,

1120
01:35:01.439 --> 01:35:05.520
you know, we need to just
rise up. You know, I don't

1121
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:10.479
want to be a fleer, but
but but I you know, I had

1122
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:13.720
to. I had to get out
of that situation, you know. But

1123
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:16.079
anyway, but yeah, George,
thank you so much for having me.

1124
01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:20.000
I mean, I really enjoy just
you know, I know I did a

1125
01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:25.680
lot of the talking, but it's
it's good to just have a conversation with

1126
01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:30.079
somebody who is like minded and you
know, can can just bounce back and

1127
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:33.680
forth ideas. I love that.
So thank you for giving me the opportunity.

1128
01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:39.399
Absolutely, I've enjoyed having you.
Best to success with the book.

1129
01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:44.760
Keep us definitely, keep keep in
touch and we'll bring you back down the

1130
01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:47.960
road and love to talk about the
book. And we could even talk about

1131
01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:51.960
that on the other podcast as well, because I think that would definitely something

1132
01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:56.720
that would work on the Fact Hunter
as well. So absolutely stay in touch

1133
01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:00.520
and best of luck to you and
with your book, and again i'll give

1134
01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:05.119
you the last word. Well again, just thanks for having me. And

1135
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:11.119
I just again want to remind everybody
about that Aristotle quote. You know,

1136
01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:16.439
just just be willing to examine something. Just be willing to examine both sides

1137
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:23.479
and don't just make quick decisions,
you know, examine it and process it

1138
01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:27.479
and really let it wash over you
and see how you feel about it.

1139
01:36:28.199 --> 01:36:31.680
So you could. You know,
that's just on every topic. Absolutely,

1140
01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:35.560
but thank you, Thank you so
much and you know. Looking forward to

1141
01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:40.800
talking to you again sometime soon.
Absolutely, and it was my pleasure having

1142
01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:44.319
you. It was a great conversation. And again thank you to all the

1143
01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:47.680
listeners for your continued support. Check
out the website. If you'd like to

1144
01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:51.039
email list on the show, it
is the Flat Earth Files at gmail dot

1145
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:55.720
com. For Kathy, I'm George. Everybody have a great week. God

1146
01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:58.119
bless you all. Keep your head
on a swivel, and until the next

1147
01:36:58.119 --> 01:37:06.800
time we meet, we will see
it's I know you had spain. I

1148
01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:15.039
know you feel tired, hell down
all the way. Yeah, I know

1149
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:26.520
you feel you smile ain't the same
I saw you were going from you.

1150
01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:34.399
I feel like you've lost your way. Don't give up. No, don't

1151
01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:41.399
give it. But never is home. Don't let call the primise. It

1152
01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:45.199
ain't dumb yet. He's got a
plan. Why it's a great time.

1153
01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:59.880
Got up, Lemmy, come,
why afraid? Got up? Emmy calls.

1154
01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:09.399
I can see the street beside you. Childs are putting up five.

1155
01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:15.760
Oh, you're stronger than anything.
You are. Yeah, you're gonna be

1156
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:25.720
all right. You're accepting a bed, found you beautiful, You're shoving ride.

1157
01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:31.960
Yeah, you're living, breathing,
move. You can hold your head

1158
01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:42.039
a pie. Don't give up,
No, don't give in, never lose

1159
01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:46.399
home, don't let gone on the
primise me, ain't done? You's God?

1160
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:54.279
I plant wants a way down the
God of Merica. Don't give up,

1161
01:38:54.600 --> 01:38:59.159
No, don't give in you,
never lose home, don't let go

1162
01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:04.359
on the hoist? It ain't color
like it's worth than man. What's a

1163
01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:15.279
way down the God? Even?
Why? Surprise down the God? Ev?

1164
01:39:17.800 --> 01:39:24.760
Oh? Yes? What sur pray
down the God? TV? Coll

1165
01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:43.800
Oh yeah, God TV Oh.
Don't give up, no, don't give

1166
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:49.880
in. Never so to the goal
of the primis I mean and don yes,

1167
01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:58.840
got up? Playing ways a kind
of even colts. Don't give no,

1168
01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:03.680
dog give it, never hold,
don't let go of the primes,

1169
01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:17.600
getting done? Lover is worth living? What's God of any coors? All?

1170
01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:28.840
The God of needs? Cos?
Why's the god of any case?

1171
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:42.239
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