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Big Food and be on with Cliff
and Bobo. These guys are your favorites,

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it, Timesta and me day and

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listening watching always keep it squatching And
now your hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobo

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Fay. Good morning Cliff, Good
morning to you, Bobo. How are

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you doing today? All right?
How are you doing all right? Yesterday?

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I spent the afternoon with Dennis Hereford. Was the third thing. I

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think it's gonna be probably it depends
what you think. You know, you

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got a pretty crazy imagination, so
it's hard to say, um, but

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yeah, it was great. Um. He's super, super nice, very

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informative, has a pretty good memory
about all these events and stuff. Um.

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I solved a couple of mysteries.
And in the cast collections, I

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think you know, because there's all
these grays Harbor casts from nineteen eighty two,

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there's there's a lead. I mean, the record says eight, but

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they're actually more than that. I
think I personally have see one to the

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two that's from bones Clones. So
anybody listening and they want to buy a

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grays Harbor cast. Doctor Grover Krantz
has licensed his molds to bones Clones Um

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and you can go buy a couple
of those casts, and they also he

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also licensed his molds to the Cripple
footprints, the Boss Bird prints. It's

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funny how people can can authorize sale
of things when they're deceased. Well,

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yeah, I think he did it
before past because because the same company also

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sells his Gigantopithecus blackie Um skull reproduction, and I also his Meganthropist as well.

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I believe, Oh the bones Clones
has been around that long. Yeah,

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yeah, well they I think they
used to be called Skeletons Unlimited or

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something like that, and now I
think that company still exists and they still

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either are the same company or a
parent company or I don't know, there's

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some overlap in there. Nico,
my paleontological nerd friend knows all the ins

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and outs. But if anybody's interested, you could get those casts there.

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But yeah, there's two casts available
from Grace Harber County on there, although

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it doesn't tell you where they're from, so you got to come to some

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nerd like me to find that out. Then there's the Cliff Crook one and

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then there's another Cliff Crook one that
was cast and sand that I have.

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There's a Hereford cast, a very
famous one. There's another one from Krantz

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that I have. Then there's two
half casts, so there's eight of them

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right there. And I've seen another
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That'd be nine. So anyway,
there's a lot of casts here.

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And apparently a couple other citizens have
these two how many? How many never

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came back? He doesn't know,
he doesn't know. He's given and he

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said his brother has one, and
I'd be very interested to find out what

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his brother has. And I know
that a few other citizens had them,

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like citizens like non police officers are
actually retired police officers too. So I

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bet you between all that stuff,
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that there's at least a dozen foot
print casts in the world. So I

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don't know. I don't know,
but a couple of mysteries were solved.

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Like one of the bones clones casts
has a very prominent shape to the outside,

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to the lateral side of the foot
I asked him, do you know

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where that one came from? Me
goes, oh, yeah, that came

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from the Elma Creek or Elma boat
launch. Yeah, so he there were

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four or five events during those two
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and I just basically went through each
one, like, okay, Abbot

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Hill started off, tell me about
that, and then he told me all

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about that, and then it's okay, that very same day you got a

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report of another one, but down
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So he went down there afterwards,
and I was at the same animal and

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he goes, I'm not sure,
and he showed me some pictures that he

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had. Sure enough, it's the
same animals. And so one of the

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prints I got from from Porter Creek
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So anyway, Yeah, I was
able to identify the locations where these

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casts were obtained. And that's half
the mystery right there, because they're all

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kind of all these casts are grouped
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which is accurate, but I like
a little bit more accuracy than that.

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So I got some good stories out
of him. How about he was

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called in when he was working for
the DNR, the Department of Natural Resources

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because a kid and I think his
sister saw a sasquatch after school in nineteen

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seventy seven, and so he got
called in for that and interviewed them.

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And yeah, so he was a
wealth of information and a really really kind

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and generous man, you know,
who's had some bad experiences with other big

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footers. So I was very very
lucky to have an inn with him,

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and it was it was just a
pleasure to talk to and I recorded the

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whole thing. He allowed me to
audiotape him, So I'll be kind of

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piecing that up and sharing it with
the museum members to some degree, you

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know, and try trying to group
him by it, because we had a

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wide ranging and meandering conversation for two
or three hours. So I'm going to

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try to group these things together and
edit them together into concise things like here's

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what he had to say about the
Abbot Hill cast, There's what he had

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to say about the Porter Creek casts, you know, that kind of thing.

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So eventually that I'll make that available
for the museum members and all that

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jazz and archive those appropriately in the
NABC. So how many how many track

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firing locations should he have? Oh? Man, he cast a lot of

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prints in his life. Because these
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eighty two things, weren't the only
big Foot things he did. There's apparently

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quite a few others. And without
being specific with him, like hey,

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tell me about this event from this
this month and this year, it was

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hard to get information like that out
of him because he kind of needed prompting.

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I'm about like, hey, this, tell me about this event.

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He goes, oh, that was
great, and then you tell me about

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it. But I said when I
kind of gave him open ended questions like

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how many casts did you do you
think you made over your career there?

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And he goes, oh, quite
a few, quite a few, and

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then that's that's kind of where he
would go with it. And I didn't

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have anything to prompt him with,
so um. But but but that's okay,

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that's okay because Number One, I
learned a lot. I recorded some

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stuff that I thought I still think
needed to be recorded, you know,

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and documented properly. I found out
some interesting tidbits and minutia about some of

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these events. I may have a
track, I may have a line on

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a couple other tracks. I was
allowed to photograph three and then close to

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examine three of the original tracks,
the very very famous Hareford cast, which

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everybody has. And by the way, the original is better than the copy

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that Krantz made. Krantz made an
excellent, excellent mold. It was.

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It is by far the best mold, most true to the actual cast,

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because there's another one out there.
I think Rick Nole made it and it

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is distorted. I don't know the
cast he used to make the molds.

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I know Rick is an excellent mold
maker and he specializes in mold making and

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that sort of stuff, but I'm
not sure the source of his cast,

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but it doesn't doesn't look a lot
like the original cast does, but Krantzis

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does. Krantzis looks a lot like
the original cast. It's by far the

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most true to the original. But
again, the originals are original. They

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are They're really really cool and that
the you know how, like one of

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the neat things about the Hereford cast
is the depth, well the exclusion that

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came up between the toes, so
you can really see the definition of the

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sidewall of the toes really well.
Krantz's mold kind of lost some of that.

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The toes when even more deeply into
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Um, it is a very interesting
cast. And I also got to

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see a Porter Creek cast, which
I have a first generation copy of from

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a Krantz mold that someone is generous
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I also got to look at the
half cast that is very interesting. And

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at the time, they didn't realize
the importance of the half cast in nineteen

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eighty two because at that time no
one had really well nobody fully understood the

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flexibility in the Sasquatch foot that we
do now because doctor Jeff Meldrum published his

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research paper i think in nineteen ninety
nine detailing the mid tars flexibility of the

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foot and which is directly related to
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So this half cast at the time, they oh, it was running,

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and they were absolutely all right,
it was running. That Dennis told

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me that the steps were about nine
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definitely running, just on the front
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I got to see the original half
cast, which is really awesome for

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me, and then I got to
share with him the other half cast that

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I had the privilege of rediscovering years
ago, and This is detailed in my

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Big Foot road Trip DVD, if
anybody out there has it. I'm not

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going to make any more or anything, so but that this this story is

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detailed on that DVD about a rediscovery
of another nineteen eighty two grays Harbor cast

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that was taken up on Abbot Hill
that day, and it's another half cast

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of the other Foot, So I
think it's an interesting contribution to the data

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set there. So I got to
bring that up to him then show him,

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and he loved that, of course, and then I showed him the

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original cast I've obtained from Cliff Crook
who was on the scene with Rady to

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Hindon, another man from Seattle.
They were doing investigations back then together and

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Cliff cast one from the ground.
I got to show him that cast and

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he reminisced about that a little bit. And Yeah, it was a wonderful,

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wonderful visit. And I couldn't be
more thankful to Dennis and his wife

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are having me to their home.
So I've been did Dennis talking about like

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the personal like stuffy with him they
called Bob, and his wife suffered because

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I know he caught a lot of
grief to here is that one of the

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reasons he left the sheriff's department.
I don't think that was it at all.

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Actually, he didn't like leave the
sheriff's department, and in any particular

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time. He stayed on as a
beat cop for quite some time, it

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sounds like, and he basically he
got kind of scooped up by um,

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you know, other departments and in
the state. You know, he worked

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a lot with DNR, setting up
various organizations and protocols and whatnots he worked.

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He spoke very highly of some of
his his his supervisors about what they

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were doing, what they were trying
to do, and he did. He

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didn't bemoan anything, by the way, there was nothing negative about the guy.

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But he did talk about some of
the challenges of working within a bureaucracy

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and trying to get stuff done with
very little manpower behind him, and how

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he worked with the supervisors to rectify
that and get more people helping him to

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do various things. Yeah, he
and he eventually got some a kind of

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a higher level state job, and
he retired from that. He did retire.

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He's only sixty nine years old at
this point, and he's been retired

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for a number of years, so
he's he's been having a good time I

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think with it for the most part. And he looks back upon you know,

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he obviously, when you retire,
I think very few people say,

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gosh, I sure wish I was
working again, especially if you're a cop.

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I mean, my dad was a
cop. I know how hard that

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is physically and emotionally and psychologically.
It just that's a tough, tough job.

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And I feel for cops in general, because you know, I saw

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firsthand what that could do to you, you know, And I know he

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looks back fondly upon the people he
knew and his time served, of course,

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but I think he's really enjoying his
retirement at this point. That yeah,

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yeah, it was Yeah, well
I guess it kind of was good

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point, Okay, to get back
to that, he didn't get a lot

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of grief because he kind of kept
it under wraps for the most part.

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Yeah, he got a little bit
of attention and that brought more stuff in.

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But I asked him like, hey, were you ever on the stand

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testifying, And some scumbag lawyer brings
up like, hey, well, I

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understand you believe in Bigfoot. Why
should we believe in you says oh no,

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never once, never, once,
And it's probably has something to do

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with where he was working. I
think you know, Gray's Herbert County,

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that area, you know, if
you don't, if you haven't seen a

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sasquatch yourself, you probably know someone
who has. You know, if you

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go to the woods at all,
you know, And so it's probably has

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something to do with the culture of
that particular area as well. Yeah,

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that's cool though, because that's I
mean, it's it's I think it's well,

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maybe not everyone, but it's it's
certainly ninety five or some people.

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I know they're unless they cast one
themselves. It's our favorite everyone, I

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know, that's our favorite cast.
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The Hereford cast is is one of
the cleanest. In fact, it's so

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clean. Some people say it's fake
because of that. I say, no,

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no, no, no, just
oh the evidence isn't good enough.

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The evidence isn't good enough. And
when you give you give him that one

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thing that is good enough, they
say, oh, that's too good.

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It can't be true. Dude,
come to my garage. You know,

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you were in my garage that last
week. Man, I showed you some

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of these these casts. And I
was bemoaning that to U Dennis yesterday.

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I say, people don't understand how
hard it is to get a cast like

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this because Dennis is as a tracker. In fact, he's a trackers tracker.

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M he is so good that professional
trackers not like tip their hat to

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him. They say, no,
Dennis is a solid, solid tracker.

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I love tracking with that guy.
We've got going about out in the field.

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Oh, I would love too.
I would absolutely love to. You

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know, he's not far away from
a couple of really good big foot spots.

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And yeah, and I think he
would like to as well, so,

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but I don't know he and he
liked me, I mean he and

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he said, you know, Cliff, you can come up anytime you'd like,

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if you want to have more conversations
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again. Um, he would he
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up anytime i'd like and hang out
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photographs and most of his photographs were
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that is currently being hunted down by
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see you have a busy day.
We did have a busy day. Oh

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gotten the traffic on the way back. Insane, insane. But I won't

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beat I won't grumble and bitch about
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I'm ready, baby, Okay.
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by the ways, melodious, not
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funny. There's a big vief here
this morning because I'm not allowed to eat

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garlic because it's the smell she hates
the most. Oh no, that's terrible.

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I had pizza with my friendship.
You know, there was there was

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a there was garlic on it,
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they were running the lawnmower a couple
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know, I got to close these
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she's like, it's like, well, I was supposed to be working on

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my resume and doing some of other
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desk, and I said, well, I got to close the stuff up.

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So she stormed out. Man,
I it would be tough if Melissa

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didn't tolerate or like the smell of
garlic, because I sure love garlic,

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I know. But Melissa's right there
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couple yeah, when she gets ill
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she'll throw back a couple of rock
clothes. And that's exactly what I would

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do. Is it's medicine. It
kept me healthy for a long time.

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I to take two whole heads of
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whole heads, chop up, mix
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and salt and pepper and grind that
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It would kill it, right,
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imagine two whole heads. Yeah,
you're an extreme person in some ways.

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Well then it gave me. But
then I found out later it gave me

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an ulcers because it was it was
I didn't chop them up fine enough and

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there's so much in its burning holes
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I can only imagine. So I
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what we're doing here. Yeah,
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there's all the stuff, there's all
the preamble. Let's hop into the

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first question. Okay, Pruitt,
hit it, Hey, Cliff and Bobo,

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it's blue from Squatch to choose It's
I noticed that you guys have made

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countless Star Wars references, both on
finding Bigfoot and on the podcast, so

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I have to ask, if you
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who would you choose? And why, And you can't pick Chewbacca or

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any Wookie because they're pretty much just
the space equivalent of a sasquatch. Look

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forward to hearing your answer, and
has always loved the podcast. Yoda.

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Yeah, I gotta go with Yoda
too. Yoda's kind of my go to

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for a lot of that stuff.
It's obvious, there's no there's no one

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else. Base Window seems a little
little moody in some ways for me to

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go out to the woods for so
long. But I sure like him as

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well because he walks, walks the
edge, you know, between the light

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and the dark side in some ways
because of his lightsaber style. But that's

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probably going too deep in all this
sort of stuff. But yeah, I

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think Yoda because you know, hem
he good relations with the Wookies he has.

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Yeah, so I don't know that
that's mean. That's mean, But

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let's see, well, who else
would it be besides uh Yoda? Both

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since we both came to the same
conclusion, do you have any other?

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Just Obi one? Because the force
is strong with them? Okay, fair

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enough, the forces from But the
force is wrong with all the Jedis,

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aren't they? I guess Luke passes
doesn't he, I guess by the end,

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Yeah, I think so. I
think so he had a hire mediclarian

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count um And might I might air
towards Quigan Gin actually just because I like

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his general chaotic nature, Like he
doesn't follow the rules. He doesn't have

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to do exactly with the bureaucrat,
the bureaucratic Jedi Order says, you know,

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because really the Jedi Order imploded because
of their own arrogance and unswerving discipline

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to the order, you know,
whereas Quigan would like kind of sit well,

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he's more in touch with the living
forest blah blah blah and all that

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sort of stuff. So anyway,
I would go with him. But Yoda

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is definitely my number one. Yeah, for sure. Has that blue?

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Is that nerdy enough for you all
your nerds out there? And squatch a

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choosets? Oh you know, speaking
of squatch A choosets, did you know

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about this post? I was talking
to um Um, I was talking to

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John Wilk yesterday. I might drive
home because of all the traffic. He

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called me and I called him back
when he didn't pick up. He must

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have been talking to you, oh
man, he had you know. Um.

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So he has a season tickets to
them to the baseball team out there

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in Boston, Red Sox. I
actually knew that, by the way,

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Um, because I'm a sports guy. I know that baseball exists, and

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the Red Sox as a baseball team. That qualifies me as a sports guy.

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Um. But anyway, he has
season tickets out there, and I

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guess he was sitting in these sitting
in these seats that are you know,

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pretty coveted, you know, they're
they're they're outer. I think he usually

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is behind home plate, I thought, But he was telling me about being

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out there like where the home run
balls are hit. You know, it's

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like way past the outfield and on
top of this the big green wall.

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There's a big green wall out there. Monster. Oh yeah, that's it.

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He actually mentioned that, the green
Monster. So he's sitting out there

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one time and somebody I don't know
who or when or where, it doesn't

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matter to me, but the sports
guys, I'll know this M hit a

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home run and the ball went sailing
out there and landed in his section,

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and everybody's looking around for it and
he and um, nobody could find the

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ball. Um, you know,
because everybody wants to get a home run

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ball, right, but nobody could
find the actual ball. So John took

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a baseball that he had with him, like he brought a baseball in his

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backpack or something. He says,
he brings one in case he runs into

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like an older player, he can
get his autograph or you know, that's

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where like a kid shows up,
he can just give him a baseball,

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that kind of thing. But so
he got a baseball out of his bag

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and then held it up like he
caught it. And then uh, and

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it got on camera and everybody was
cheering for him and stuff and everybody's eye

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and they're all stoked because it looked
like that guy got a got a home

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run ball. And then one of
the other guys sitting out in the same

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section found the actual home run ball
and picked it up and then held it

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up, and then they were both
on camera the balls that you know,

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and like looking at each other.
That's the best man, John Rules.

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Love that guy, so Blue.
Congratulations on being in Squashed Chusets Man.

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It's great group. John's a super
great guy, and Massachusetts does not get

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the attention it deserves when it comes
to Bigfoot. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot

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and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will
be right back after these messages. All

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right, you want to help up
the next question here, I'm ready hit

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it. Hit it, hey,
Cliff and Bobo. This is MB over

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in West by Squatch, Virginia.
Hey, I've got a question for you

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guys. I've been following this phenomenon
for quite some time, and I've read

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and heard several accounts of these creatures
rating people's like backyard vegetable gardens or even

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fruit trees and people's yards, but
I don't think I've ever heard of them

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raiding like large commercial orchards or even
large fields of crops. It seems to

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me like these would be all you
can eat buffets for these guys, and

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that they could do a lot of
damage and farmers could lose a lot of

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money. Have you guys heard of
any such accounts? Thanks for answering my

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question, and we're keeping its squatchy
here in West Virginia. John Dever didn't

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say anything about it, but I
think that's why it's almost heaven commercial are

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culture? Yeah, you know,
I think definitely they do, but not

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as much. I don't think as
much as some people to expect because they

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seem to not like pesticides. They
like organic like the like. I know

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that people have organics and like nearby
there's big commercial fields and they'll they'll hit

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the organics over the spraye stuff any
day. Well, you know, And

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there's there's two things i'd i'd like
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came to my mind is down on
the Navajo Reservation where that that cool photograph

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of one carrying that big log came
from. Um, you know, down

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on the Navajo Reservation outside Fruitland and
Farmington and all that sort of stuff.

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Um, you know, it's rather
deserty, but there are sasquatches there in

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the river. It's the San Juan
River, Is that right, Bobo,

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River. And m. Brenda Harris is

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a kind of my main contact down
in that general are a great big footer

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and wonderful person in general. Um
then she uh, well down and there

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you know it's it's it's a reservation. So there's unfortunate there's a lot of

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poverty in the area. So on
what they do the tribe, the Navahoo

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tribe, they irrigate and farm a
lot of the flat lands on top of

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the I guess the maces or something, you know, because the River valley

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is down below and that's where the
farmington is and that sort of thing.

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But up above there's a flat desert
lands. So the Navajo Nation irrigates that

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and grows crops for the tribal members, you know. But because there is

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some poverty in the area, they
have to actually hire security guards to keep

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an eye on it um so the
people don't come and steal from from the

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farms. But because of these big
irrigated you know, the vegetable gardens,

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essentially the Sasquatches have cluded in on
it and they come and steal things.

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And that's why that that the security
guard got that photograph of that one walking

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on the on the slope side there
with a with a big log, and

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I spoke. I didn't speak to
the person. I understand you did,

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Bob, but I've not spoken to
the actual witness who took that photograph.

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her colleagues about five or six maybe seven

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security guards that came down to talk
to us one day while we were filming

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in the area, and they straight
out told me it's oh, yeah,

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I've seen one or i've seen one
I've I've heard one. I know they're

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there, and one of the people
says, Cliff, we were hired to

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keep the people out. We don't
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So they absolutely do raid these large
commercial farms. But here's my second

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point. One of the peculiar things
about sasquatches raiding farms or even like you

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know, people's gardens in their backyard
or that's or even when people leave things

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out for them, they generally only
take enough. They don't just raid everything

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and keep eating and eating and eating. Now, of course, in some

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cases, yeah, entire trees or
striped bear overnight and that sort of thing.

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And I don't know that they has
been very, very hungry or something.

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take two or three and leave the
rest for you, or seemingly leave the

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rest for you. I don't want
to presume to know what's inside a sasquatch

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his mind, but they seem to
only take enough, only what they need.

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Maybe perhaps it's a human thing that
maybe greed is a human thing,

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or a little bit more of a
human thing in that way amongst primates,

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or at least hominins that we take
more than we need because we have an

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insatial appetite, but Sasquatches seem to
just take what they only need to persist

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and then move on. Maybe that's
just because they don't have that greed gene

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or something that we have. Maybe
it's they just don't want. Maybe they're

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savvy enough to know that if they
take more, they're going to draw attention

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00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.680
to themselves and they don't want to
do that. But whatever the reason,

406
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:18.599
they don't seem to take so much
that they're even noticed, you know,

407
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.839
And I'll go back again, which
is maybe why they put the lids back

408
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.400
on the trash cans when they're done
rummaging through them. They've been seen doing

409
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.119
it on more than one occasion.
Yeah, they try to make it look

410
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.640
like a lot of times trying to
put it back. They'll put the backpacke.

411
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.559
They go to do it back,
they might put it back right where

412
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:36.480
it was or not every time,
but they'll like trying to make it not

413
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.400
so obvious they were there. Yeah, I think that has something to do

414
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:41.839
with it. So I would think
these large agricultural grows and whatever are in

415
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.559
fact being rated, but to such
a small degree that you know, the

416
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:49.119
bigfoots can move around. So like
over here in part of Parkdale, on

417
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.079
the east side of Mountain Hood,
the whole place is this fruit basket.

418
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.839
I mean, there's this hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of acres of these orchards,

419
00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.799
and there's the Dallas Watershed on one
side. You've got reservoir over there

420
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.599
where the numerous sasquatch report has been. They're big foots there for sure.

421
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.960
But you know, if they move
and they hit one orchard twice in a

422
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.279
week and then another one a couple
of days later, no one will ever

423
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.240
notice. No one will ever notice. And I think that's the way they

424
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.880
roll. And if it's if they're
not doing it intentionally, that's a it's

425
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.480
a behavior that they've picked up that
works well for them. Man. I

426
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.640
mean, who knows. Maybe the
ones that take more than they then perhaps

427
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.319
deserve, or take take more than
they can more than they need from one

428
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.000
side. Maybe those are the ones
that get shot at and chase out of

429
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.759
the area. Then they learn a
lesson about humans and take them too much.

430
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:38.359
Yeah, I agree, I agree
with that. Yeah, So maybe

431
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.519
I don't know, and maybe that's
it. Thanks for keeping West Virginia squatchy.

432
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.680
They don't have to do anything to
keep West squat the Squatches keep it

433
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:51.119
squatchy. That's a good point.
That place is squatchy. Yeah, I

434
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.400
love West Virginia. It's great.
Oh that's awesome. Good train, good,

435
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.599
big Foot's good people, everything's great
up there. All right, let's

436
00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.160
go to the next question. Then. Hey, Cliff and Bobo, this

437
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.480
is Nolan from El Segundo, California. Hope you both are doing well as

438
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.279
always, love the show, love
the podcast as well. I will be

439
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.319
going on an expedition with the bfr
OH to Washington this year, and my

440
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:17.599
question to you guys is if you
guys ever also part taking expeditions and if

441
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:19.240
you have any plans to go on
one this year. Again, thanks for

442
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:25.240
all you guys do and keep it
squatchy. I'm not doing any group expeditions

443
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.240
or something like that. I mean, I'm gonna go out with my friends

444
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.279
and stuff and solo. Yeah,
I mean, Bobo and I have both

445
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.039
been on numerous BFRRO expeditions in the
past. Oh, they're great for start

446
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.559
Yeah you're starting out there, They're
really good. Yeah, they're fantastic and

447
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.079
you know three hundred bucks or whatever
they charge isn't bad at all for a

448
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.000
weekend, especially, it's what you
get out of it. And again I

449
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.839
used to run them. I ran
two or three of these things from Matt.

450
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.680
I found it to be kind of
a hassle and a drawn my time,

451
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.599
so I ended up not doing it. Like organizing these things. But

452
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.480
a lot of the organizers really enjoy
doing this sort of stuff, and it's

453
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.599
right in their back yards and they
want to share their knowledge and stuff.

454
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:06.400
So these are great opportunities for people
who are just getting into the subject to

455
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:10.519
kind of learn some of the ropes
a couple interesting techniques out there. And

456
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.279
also then, by far, in
my opinion, and Bobs, I like

457
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:17.119
your thought on this as well.
By far, the most important thing about

458
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:21.240
these expeditions is that you get to
network with other people who share an interest

459
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.640
with you, and maybe you want
to go make a friend for a weekend,

460
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.079
and then maybe you want to go
to the woods with that person again

461
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.839
in the future. I don't recommend
just going to the woods with people that

462
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.240
you meet online, you know,
unless you've had long lasting relationship with them,

463
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.680
because it could be dangerous. Frankly, it could be dangerous. People

464
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.680
are oftentimes much stranger and eccentric in
person than they are online, which seems

465
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.079
exactly opposite to a lot of people's
experience, but that could also be true.

466
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.920
So yeah, but meeting to somebody
in person and kind of getting the

467
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.400
field forum and you know, that
last sort of stuff is in these BFRO

468
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.200
expeditions, or any expeditions really,
but the BFRO runs them all the time

469
00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.000
and all over the place. They
are wonderful opportunities for doing that sort of

470
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:07.559
thing. I don't go on these
anymore, mostly because I just don't like

471
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.000
being around big groups of people.
Honestly, you know, it's fine here

472
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.400
because I'm sitting alone in my office
right now talking to Bobo and Matt privit's

473
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.160
listening so to my best friends are
on the other line, and I forget

474
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:19.519
that I have an audience. You
know. It's generally how I do these

475
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.880
things well, because, as you've
heard me say a lot of times,

476
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.599
I'm an introvert. I'm a professional
extrovert, but I am an introvert.

477
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.480
So when I go to the woods, I don't go to the woods to

478
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:30.920
be with a bunch of people.
I go to the woods to more or

479
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.359
less be alone or being a very
very very small group and look around.

480
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:38.720
I just find that it more satisfying
to my soul in a lot of ways.

481
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.599
And in a chariss doctor own in
a charis that you know, she's

482
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.880
just a world renown primatologists, like
look at her staffs. If you go

483
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:51.160
out by yourself, like in looking
for a primate, you're then you go

484
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.960
out with the second person you're adds
drop. I think it's seventy percent or

485
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.400
something every every person you add,
like from two people to four people,

486
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:02.759
like it's an exponential rate of less
activity. And that's for like known primates

487
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.079
exactly, and I think sasquatches would
be very similar in a lot of ways.

488
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:07.799
And you're just louder, but you
know, to be fair though,

489
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:15.039
the BFRO does utilize these large groups
very intelligently. I've heard Matt call it,

490
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:21.960
and Matt call this idea casting a
net with ears essentially, you know,

491
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.400
because spreading out, you're gonna hear
more. Somebody will hear something at

492
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.680
some point if something is going on, and unfortunately a lot of times when

493
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:33.039
nothing's going on. So which is
the bad part about going out with a

494
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:34.680
bunch of people, because you don't
know how good observe some of these people

495
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.799
are, etc. But for the
most part, spreading out, you know,

496
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.880
like when we did on finding big
Foot, for example, we had

497
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.519
basically two groups at night and we
would spread out as far as we could

498
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.759
reasonably do so, and keep in
radio contact, make some noise, and

499
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.079
then sometimes you'll notice by watching the
show one of the two groups heard something

500
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:56.960
but the other one did not.
And therein lies the advantage to these larger

501
00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.759
groups. So if you can send
if you can send small all groups out

502
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.440
and cover a lot of land,
it's an effective way of narrowing down your

503
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.000
search. And I did the same
thing when I was running expeditions a number

504
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:12.319
of years ago up here in mountain
Hood National Forest. I would I would

505
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:17.680
limit my trips to about ten or
twelve people and we would send them out

506
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.519
to various areas on the first night
or two, and whoever got hits,

507
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:26.039
whoever got possible activity that we would
eventually converge all of our groups in this

508
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.880
one particular area to see if we
can get more. So that's the use

509
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.359
of so many people on these trips
is you get to spread out over a

510
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.799
large area and then focus your efforts
on the last night or two. Yeah,

511
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.279
I mean there's there's definitely pros and
cons to both styles for sure.

512
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.400
Yeah, But for me lately,
it's just not my thing to go out

513
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.119
with a lot of people. I
mean, I don't even go out with

514
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.200
Bart and when he goes up you
know, he comes to Washington every year

515
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.559
and it goes with a lot of
his friends and that sort of thing.

516
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.920
I don't even go out with Bart
and Bart's one of my best friends because

517
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.599
it's just there's so many people and
I'm just uncomble around people in general,

518
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.799
you know. And even when and
I think this is probably true for youtubebs,

519
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.240
because you come across as a you
know, it's a wonderful extrovert that

520
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.599
everybody wants to have a beer with. But at the end of the day,

521
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.680
you're good at that, but you're
also pretty quiet and introverted, and

522
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.319
at a certain point, you you've
had enough, you know, the older

523
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.440
I get for sure, exactly exactly, because even when I go out like

524
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:28.079
I did, drop by Bart's thing, um maybe last year year before stuthing

525
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.079
like that and just hung out for
a couple hours, and it's like,

526
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.319
well this is this is I mean, the people were kind. It's nothing

527
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.000
to do with the people there.
I want to emphasize that nothing to do

528
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.079
with the good people that go out. People are can be great. It

529
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.440
has everything to do with me.
Even when I go out on these these

530
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.359
trips where there's a lot of people, I end up going off alone somewhere

531
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.079
because that's just what I'm most comfortable
doing. It's what I enjoy, It's

532
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:57.039
it's you know, So I don't
do trips like this anymore for that reason,

533
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.960
basically because I end up being alone
anyway. This way I like it,

534
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:01.720
Yeah, I mean just from being
on TV and stuff too, like

535
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:05.799
Lips a big one like the last
PFRO and I wasn't even part of it.

536
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.880
I just they were out by me
and I dropped in. And then

537
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.839
it's kind of like so like because
we're on TV, if one of the

538
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.920
guys from one of someone from one
of the shows, like a TV show

539
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.839
shows up and like a lot of
people want to be with you, and

540
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.680
you're kind of like the focus of
a lot of stuff, and you're just

541
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.359
like You're just like now I'm just
out here to kick back and have a

542
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:28.519
few laughs with some buddies or you
know, like you know, like just

543
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.680
have a good time, you know, you don't want to be like the

544
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.480
focus of things. Yeah, and
it's the people are great. The people

545
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.640
are so kind and so supportive,
you know, but it's it's just uncomfortable

546
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.000
if they were just something like if
it was it would be the same people

547
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.400
but just smaller groups, and it
would be you know, if it was

548
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:47.440
just like when we go on years, like there was like ten to twelve

549
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.319
people, like to me, that
was about max that you could and there

550
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.359
was two of us, so I
mean, and then Joe and Sharon were

551
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:57.839
there also, so I mean,
it wasn't like you had to like trying

552
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.240
to juggle like forty or eighty people, like you know, give someone,

553
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.160
give everyone a certain amount of time, or you know, make sure you

554
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.360
talk to everybody like it's a yeah, because then the focus gets more on

555
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.760
the people. Yeah. It kind
of goes back to what I very often

556
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.480
say, like the focus in big
Footing should not be on the people.

557
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:17.480
It should be on the animals.
That's that's what I was just trying to

558
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.039
say. I guess, yeah,
but I get it. I Mean when

559
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:22.400
I when I got around John Green
and those guys, I was just like,

560
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.639
I want to ask a ten million
questions. I mean there's still times.

561
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.159
I mean, if I get around
people, I want to ask them

562
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.920
just questions, non stuff, you
know, Like so I get it,

563
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:34.400
Like I'm I'm I'm worse than most
people at that, Like oh yeah,

564
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.360
we all Fanboy at some point or
another, you know. I mean Denis

565
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.960
Hereford yesterday, case in point,
like he didn't understand it, man,

566
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.880
but I was just over the moon
with it. Yeah, they don't.

567
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.039
They don't get it when we're like
we're like super just like oh my god.

568
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:50.119
That I try to think. When
we were on Finding Big Well,

569
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.519
we went to Australia like a meeting
Rex Scale, where I was like super

570
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.239
like whoa, Like this is awesome, you know, like just you know

571
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.400
fan boy. Yeah, yeah,
it happens to all us. But you

572
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.039
know, it's uncomfortable being the center
of attention for me. Yeah, I

573
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.079
hate that part. Yeah, and
most I think most fans understand that.

574
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.880
And you know, I get in
the museum a lot and take a lot

575
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.639
of pictures in the museum with people
and stuff, and it's very very kind

576
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.719
and I wouldn't be in the position
I am today without them. But at

577
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.360
the same time, you know,
big footing stuff like that to me is

578
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.000
work. I mean, for most
other people it's a great weekend vacation,

579
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:30.280
but for me, it's it's work. You know, A good vacation for

580
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.800
me is Melissa and the dog and
I out for a couple of days outside

581
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:36.639
of cell phone reception. All right, Nolan, So there's your answer for

582
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:37.960
you. It's kind of a long
winded one, kind of meandering one.

583
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.280
But I think you're gonna have a
great time on the expedition the BFRO as

584
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.159
some great expedition leaders up in that
particular area. I think you're gonna get

585
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.239
a lot out of it and meet
some really, really good people. Just

586
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.800
try to stay in contact with them
and see if you can perhaps go to

587
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.199
the field with a couple of the
people that you enjoy spending time with,

588
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.840
because that's really what it's about at
the end of the day, go to

589
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.679
the field with people who are like
minded or people that you and joy spending

590
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:02.199
time with. You don't have to
be like minded thinking about it, because

591
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.760
I go to the Wizzard Tom Powell, and he and I couldn't disagree more

592
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.280
about bigfoots, but I don't care
what he thinks, and he doesn't care

593
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.880
what I think. We're just good
friends. So find some people that you

594
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.199
like that you enjoy spending time with, and try to get out in the

595
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.599
woods as much as possible because it
is good for the soul. And sometimes

596
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:22.199
every once in a while Bigfoot show
up. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

597
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:32.039
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will
be right back after these messages. That

598
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.079
was our last voice that we're onto
the written submissions, all right. The

599
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.360
first one is from Noah Johnston.
I love the podcast and I'm a big

600
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.480
fan of Finding Bigfoot. What's the
biggest discovery or piece of evidence in the

601
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:51.159
Bigfoot world to come out in the
last ten years in your opinion, that's

602
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.280
a good question. The first thing
that jumps in my mind are the nests.

603
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:58.840
I think that the Loving Project nests
are are significant, especially when taken

604
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:01.639
not as an individual piece of evidence, but as a as a body of

605
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:07.800
evidence, because you have to include
Lorie's footprint casts. Another researcher, Lorie

606
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.599
Um, had been casting footprints in
the vicinity of the nests, within five

607
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:17.320
miles at the nests for years before
the nests were discovered, so Um Laurie's

608
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.760
footprints combined with the Olympic Project nests, I think are probably um some of

609
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:30.119
the best evidence um and spore four
sasquatches that has been discovered in the last

610
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.280
ten years. Off the top of
my head, what about you, Bobo,

611
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.920
I go, I'm rocking my head. I'd say that that's definitely I

612
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:39.800
don't know, it's the top one
I'm trying would be what would what would

613
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:43.880
beat it? Like? Um?
I guess yeah, directly related the big

614
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.519
Foot first, I guess said after
the nest for sure, and then maybe

615
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:52.000
just these new hominid species they've discovered
around the world since then in the last

616
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.480
ten years. Yeah, okay,
that's an interesting take on it. I

617
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.639
didn't. I didn't. I wasn't
thinking outside of the big Foot world.

618
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:02.480
But yeah, paleoanthropology, more species
are being discovered all the time. Yeah,

619
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.880
I think that helps validate to like
people are going, okay, there's

620
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.400
more going on than we knew about. Yeah, yeah, that is very,

621
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.840
very significant. I wasn't thinking about
along those lines because back in the

622
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.760
seventies, sixties, seventies, and
even in the nineteen eighties, anthropologists said

623
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.679
that sasquatches were not real because they
couldn't be real. There was no place

624
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.519
for them in the anthropological model of
evolution, you know, because they thought

625
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:30.119
that evolution is really a linear thing, like the trunk of a tree,

626
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.960
you know, where one species gave
rise to another gave rise to another in

627
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:38.599
a linear fashion. And since really
the late eighties early nineteen nineties in paleoanthropology,

628
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:44.159
there has been a revolution, a
huge paradigm shift, where now we

629
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.320
realize that human evolution is not a
linear thing. It is a much more

630
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.360
bushy thing where all these different branches
go out in all sorts of different directions

631
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.320
and many most of them die off. But the whole idea that there might

632
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.840
be a relict hominoids running around like
sasquatches and almasties and arens and whatever else

633
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:06.039
ebu goo goos and you just name
it. Man, all these unknown bipedal

634
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.159
apes out there. Back in the
day, it couldn't be real. Therefore

635
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:14.400
it wasn't. But now with the
persistence of all these different branches of human

636
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:19.719
relatives, who's to say they all
went extinct? And clearly, in my

637
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.920
opinion, they have not all gone
extinct. There's at least a couple running

638
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.760
around still in these far flung corners
of the world, including the forests of

639
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.480
North America. So I think that
is a huge thing. And just the

640
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.480
last ten years, you know,
obviously it was that the paradigm shift was

641
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.360
in the nineteen nineties, but in
the last ten years even more species have

642
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:43.119
been discovered. I think Homo alidi
came during that time. Then of course,

643
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:50.199
the Homo nalidi keeps giving and giving
and giving. Like there's this They

644
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.159
were in the news this past week
about how they might have scratched things into

645
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.679
the wall for burials or something,
and how they had a relatively small brain

646
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:02.880
but still pretty intelligent and it had
a symbolic thought and very interesting stuff coming

647
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.960
out. Maybe we can attack that
one of our topical podcasts here. But

648
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:12.679
there's also two species of human relatives
that were described, I think just last

649
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.239
year in twenty twenty two, in
July. One of them homology was his

650
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.079
name? What it was? Its
name? That one got most of the

651
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.960
press because it had a much sexier
name than the other one did I forget.

652
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.480
I even forget what the other one
was. But two species of Neanderthal

653
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.039
relatives close to the indertal relatives were
discovered. One of them was in Israel

654
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:31.559
and the other one, I forget
where it was, but the other one

655
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.039
had a sexier name. Dragon Man
is what they called it, So we

656
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.639
got all the press. Yeah.
So those sort of discoveries keep trickling in,

657
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:45.039
and believe it or not, the
more human relatives and near relatives that

658
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:51.079
are discovered in the fossil record,
the stronger that bolsters the argument for sasquatches

659
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.599
in the amongst anthropologists. So that's
a good point, Bob. I didn't

660
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:55.840
I wasn't even think in that direction, but that's a good one. Yeah,

661
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:59.760
because I was thinking when I look
at that aspect, I kind of

662
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.559
figure what people say the best out
of I think, what's going to convince

663
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:07.079
scientists or the general you know population
that has an interest in science. You

664
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.599
know. So that's why I found
out relevant. No, No, you're

665
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:15.199
you're absolutely correct. That's a very
strong candidate for answering this question here.

666
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.440
So yeah, from Noah, great
question, Noah, super good question.

667
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.559
Yeah, because there haven't really been
any interesting photographs that have been made public.

668
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:28.039
UM vocalizations or vocalizations they're cool,
but you know, without seeing the

669
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.800
vocalizer, it's kind of weak.
UM in a lot of ways. Footprints,

670
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.480
Yeah, they keep coming in.
Footprints and cast keep coming in,

671
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.639
and the more of those, um
for study, the better we're going to

672
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.639
be. I think as a speed
as a as a as researchers kind of

673
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.079
putting forth this idea of sasquatches.
But yeah, yeah, there's there has

674
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.920
been a whole lot else going on, no great films or anything. This

675
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.559
comes from Kelly Stanley. Uh.
First of all, I absolutely love you

676
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:57.880
guys. Both of you are the
reason why I got into big Foot.

677
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.440
In episode two of Finding big Foot
before fell down those steps, did anybody

678
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.800
else get a thermal of what was
moving around in the woods? Also,

679
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.519
any updates on the Bridge's property.
Um, I had to bring up that

680
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:12.599
fall down the stairs. But people
love that fall, man, they just

681
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.719
love it. I know you don't. There's a lot of things that you

682
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.000
don't like that people enjoy, like
the South Park episode, And yeah,

683
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.199
I was gonna say for this one, Um, those were the that was

684
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:28.840
one of those first three. They
the editors were faking stuff. There was

685
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.880
no there was nothing else to me, not the editors. The I thought

686
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.320
that was production on site on that
one. Oh it was bull It was

687
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.719
product on site and the editors too. The editors kind of like, this

688
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:43.239
is what the story was. But
the first three they were faking stuff,

689
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.559
Like they showed that horse, so
I filmed that horse. They act like

690
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.239
it was a big Foot that was
that episode. Um No, there was

691
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.800
nothing else. There was nothing caught
on thermal that was real, Like that

692
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.760
was a sasquatch related or skunkpe related
that. You know, it was all

693
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.679
just the editing. There was nothing
there wasn't There was nothing else for someone

694
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.559
else to film. Yeah. Yeah, if it's on television, take it

695
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:06.960
with a big grain of salt.
In fact, maybe even a salt lick.

696
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:08.159
I think it is a good rule
of thumb, you know. And

697
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:13.960
first season of Finding big Foot,
there were some pretty nebulous, shady things

698
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.719
in the final edit that none of
us have really approved of. But we

699
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.920
fixed all that for second season and
we kept moving on and eventually made a

700
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.960
pretty good show. I thought it
was only the first three episodes. Well

701
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.159
that's what I'm saying. We we
kind of fixed all that by having some

702
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.199
meetings with the network, and the
second season on, you can pretty much

703
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:30.639
take it to the bank, you
know. Yeah, I say it all

704
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:34.000
the time. We don't have to
take a helicopter to get anywhere. That's

705
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.199
TV man, that's story hook stuff. That was great fun coming along on

706
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.079
the ride with you know, the
gang here. But first season, take,

707
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:44.239
especially first season take, take everything
with a big grain of salt,

708
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:46.679
you know, which, which is
why I don't watch Bigfoot TV, you

709
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.760
know, or any TV, any
paranormal TV. I guess, if you

710
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.639
want to call it paranormal TV.
I don't watch any of that stuff because

711
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.800
editors and producers and stuff, their
job is to make a good story.

712
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.280
They've got no dog in the fight. And you know, if there's real

713
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.280
researchers on the team, they have
very little, very little to say about

714
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.840
it, about the final edits and
stuff. We were special in some ways

715
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.440
because our contract was with Animal Plane
and Discovery and not the production company.

716
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.199
So we got the we got them
on our side, and everything kind of

717
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.119
went smooth. Well it was bumpy, of course too, but it went

718
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:21.400
relatively smoothly after that. You've heard
Chad Hamill say it on this very podcast

719
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.000
on a previous episode, Ours is
the most real reality show he ever worked

720
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.800
on, and there's something to be
proud about. Well everyone said that,

721
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.280
yeah exactly. So yeah, if
if we got something. We never filmed

722
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:35.599
a big foot. On Finding big
Foot, we never filmed a big foot.

723
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.159
So it's as simple as that.
And as far as updates on the

724
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:43.199
bridge's property, I haven't been hearing
too much. I know Stacy Brown Junior

725
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.800
was in contact. We sold them
stuff out there. Oh did they saw

726
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.639
it? I didn't know that that. Yeah, they moved and the action

727
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.960
really slowed down. Yeah, I
kind of lost contact with them. They're

728
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.159
lovely people, but I kind of
lost contact with them after a while.

729
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.400
So all right, So there you
go, Kelly. I'm afraid we don't

730
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.360
have a lot of good updates for
you on that one, and and you

731
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.800
know, but we do appreciate you
loving us. Okay, last question,

732
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.639
last question for the day. Um, this comes from Michael Wolf, Hey,

733
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:14.079
Cliff and Bobo. Do you know
of any sighting reports from railroad workers,

734
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:19.679
whether it's locomotive engineers or track inspectors. Yes, yes, yes,

735
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.559
yes, I absolutely do. In
fact, we had a guest on in

736
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.840
the early days of the podcast talking
about stuff, didn't we Yeah, I

737
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.079
was amor and he he never actually
saw one but or filmed one from the

738
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:35.199
train, but he said he's spoken
to people that have and that picture that

739
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.920
are one buddy had from the still
from that still, that picture we thought

740
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.679
was one of the best big foot
fotos we've ever seen. Yeah, what

741
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.360
about that one? A guy we
know got two stills off of a video

742
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:53.000
he saw and his sister had seen
it also, and it's just it's it's

743
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.920
the to me, it's the best
big footfloto I've ever seen. I mean

744
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.400
it's And when they describe what happened, it was taken by a railroad worker

745
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:05.159
on the Pacific and the Pacific Northwest, it was actually I'll just say it

746
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.360
because the guys hasn't turned up since
it's outside of the Portland area, and

747
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:15.079
the train was stopped and the saying
approach the training in broad daylight and walked

748
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:19.119
back and forth and it was like
literally like seventy eighty feet from the guy

749
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.440
in broad daylight with a good iPhone. Oh. The story I got is

750
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.800
that he was driving and is on
the side of the road and the guy

751
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:28.280
was going to go back and do
recreations on the side of the road.

752
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.400
That was that was his fake story
to cover the guy that he didn't want

753
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.679
to like. I never said publicly
that it was a railroad worker chill just

754
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.199
now. I mean I've known that
because I looked for the guy for we

755
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:43.639
looked up there. It was it
two years ago. I went up there

756
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.800
for like a week and a half
and we were looking for the guy and

757
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.199
we never were able to find him. Okay. I was told this that

758
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.440
the guy who got the pictures went
to his work. Despite the fact that

759
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.679
the guy, the witness, didn't
want to be outed, he didn't want

760
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.079
anything to do with the picture.
That this guy went to his work and

761
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.360
tried to talk to him just totally
inappropriate. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly

762
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.519
it. But the guy but he
did show, he did show, um,

763
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.039
he did show people. That's how
his sister saw it was he overheard

764
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.280
these people talking about big foot stuff
and they were making fun of his sisters

765
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:20.199
because she said she heard them and
that her brother had seen one before and

766
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.480
these and one of the one of
the people there was in English. I

767
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.039
think that the book. They were
both English people. She was with two

768
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:29.440
englishmen from work and they were just
laughing and busting balls on the whole bigfoot

769
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:31.199
thing. And then the guy that
worked on the train came by and said,

770
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:36.719
oh, they're real, and he
showed him pulled out his phone,

771
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:38.119
pulled out the video and showed him
a video and they were like, oh

772
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.079
my god. And she saw it
was like, oh my god, that's

773
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.239
crazy. And he let her take
two pictures of the of his He wouldn't

774
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.079
let her take it, but he
let her take two stills off his phone

775
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:54.320
screen. And it's just like,
there's no answer person in the costume.

776
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:59.039
There's no way even if it's human
size is the closest they could get for

777
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.719
the size was five and a half
foot was it was about five It was

778
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.599
around five and a half feet tall. Was a small one. But the

779
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.639
arm ratios, I mean, it
really reminded me it was the Minnesota Iceman.

780
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.599
Well, I just remember being so
thin like in the arms and stuff.

781
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.519
I mean it was it was lanky
and weird looking and the arms were

782
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:20.719
too long. And but I sure
hope that guy has has not not the

783
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:22.559
investigator. It wouldn't be good for
the subject if you put it out,

784
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.440
but the witness himself. I really
hope that guy eventually puts it out.

785
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.440
It would be very very interesting.
But again, I think when these animals

786
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:35.719
are proven to be real, academically
accepted animals, um there's gonna be a

787
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:39.559
flood of pictures and videos. Just
it's gonna be insane um of all these

788
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:44.519
things that people are sitting on right
now. M But you know, we

789
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:49.480
have a I have a group of
guys train conductors, um four guys,

790
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:53.559
and I think they I think there's
four of them who work on the railroad.

791
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:58.360
They go to Chester's Pub next door
to the museum, and I saw

792
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:01.039
him at at another pub when I
was having a meeting down there, having

793
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:05.079
a lunch meeting with somebody. They
recognize you from the show and came up,

794
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.440
and that's where I first initially met
them. But now they come into

795
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.840
the shop whenever they're in town.
They work on the radio on the railroad

796
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:15.199
that parallels Highway eighty four along the
Columbia River. And two or three of

797
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:22.719
those guys have seen Sasquatches on duty
from their trained and mostly in the Eagle

798
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.360
Creek area, and I have the
places plotted on a map exactly where they

799
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.119
were, because when somebody brings us
a report in the store in the museum,

800
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:31.800
we write, we take notes,
and we also find out exactly where

801
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.079
it is. And so there's two
or three reports just from the Eagle Creek

802
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.480
area up there, which is where
the Big Burn happened a number of years

803
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:43.800
ago, but Eagle Creek within a
couple of miles of that particular spot.

804
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:51.039
Sasquatches are have been seen by railroad
workers several times. When you look on

805
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:52.400
Google Earth, what is it?
What's what would be the draw there?

806
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.440
I mean, can you tell is
there a good cover coming right down to

807
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:59.880
the highway that's when they crossed the
Yeah, well south of there, you

808
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.840
it is a big wilderness area,
like there's nobody up there. It's very

809
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.360
dangerous as all cliffs and all that
sort of stuff, just you know,

810
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.760
looks and crannies for these scenes to
be. And also they might they're probably

811
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swimming across the Columbia in those areas. A lot of that. The Columbia

812
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.639
is very very as a huge rivers
like over a mile wide, but for

813
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:21.480
much of it, for much of
these areas, three fourths of it,

814
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.039
it's like five or six feet deep. And then that last a couple hundred

815
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.639
yards you got to swim, and
which isn't nothing for a big foot,

816
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.679
you know, that's nothing. So
maybe they're crossing in this area. Maybe

817
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:35.840
they're coming down out of the wilderness
areas to the south. But but remember

818
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.440
before the eighty four was put in
there, before Highway eighty four was there,

819
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:44.559
almost all of that was swamp and
much of those swamps still exist.

820
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:47.639
Driving on eighty four, you can
see elk on the side of the road.

821
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:51.320
You can see mountain goats and that
sort of thing on the cliff faces.

822
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:53.920
It is thick with wildlife and a
lot of that and a lot of

823
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:58.360
those stretches in there. It's very
very cool. And in the Eagle Creek

824
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.119
area, in particular around Bondovo,
in all that area, there's hatcheries.

825
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.800
The salmon are coming up, flopping
around on the side of the river,

826
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.119
you know, when they're dying and
spawning and stuff. There is a ton

827
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.719
of food all throughout there. With
very treacherous train that's very hard to navigate,

828
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:16.440
it's perfect for sasquatches. Yeah,
cool, cool stuff, good questions.

829
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.559
Everybody really enjoyed this one. Yeah. I love the voicemails and the

830
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.360
written questions were great, fantastic stuff. And again, if you would like

831
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.920
to ask us a question, do
it do it? We love to answer

832
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.840
this sort this. These are actually
my favorite episodes because it's just hanging out

833
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.360
shooting the poop with Bobs Man.
So yeah, if you have a question,

834
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.800
go to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot
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835
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.360
Give us a question, we'll answer
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836
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:44.159
voicemail, we'll play it on the
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837
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:49.199
links in the show notes as well. So do that and in fulfill your

838
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.800
life dream of asking us a question. Yeah all right, So why don't

839
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.000
we go and do a member section
only, because again, if you're a

840
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:59.119
member of Bigfoot and Beyond, you
can ask us a question that'll be answered

841
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.880
in the members of course, you
could also ask us in the regular episode

842
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.199
whatever you'd like to do with it. You guys remembers, do whatever you

843
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.639
want. So another than that's see, I'm gonna be in Gatlinburg, like

844
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.519
in the twenty second or something to
July whatever the weekend that is, So

845
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.280
mark your calendars, you know,
phone the neighbors, wake the kids,

846
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.760
tell them about that. Come on
out and see me in Gatlinburg. And

847
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:21.719
that'll be in a couple of weeks
here. But it's time to plan ahead.

848
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.559
I always announced my dates a little
bit too late so nobody can go.

849
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:27.440
But this time I'm trying to get
ahead of that one, So I

850
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.280
guess that's it. Sounds like it
you want to take us out of here,

851
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.360
all right, folks, thanks for
tuning in listening again. We really

852
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hit share and recomon us, so people

853
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854
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you very much. And until next
week, y'all, keep it squatchy.

855
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.559
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