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Hold your ears, folks, it's
show time. People pay good money to

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see this movie. When they go
out to a theater. They want cold

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sodas, hot popcorn, and no
monsters in the projection booth. Everyone pretend

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podcasting isn't boring off they were having
Yes, there's a lovely rosy glow in

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the valley. Oil rich Indians in
space. I was just looking for you,

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Fred, oil rich Indians in space. The fact regarding the situation remain

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the same state the authorities, lionel
I said, Back up, the facts

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regarding the situation remain the same state
authorities. Don't you know what that means.

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I'm proud of you boys. I'm
proud of the job that you're doing

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for your country. Go with the
Globe, boys, go with the globe.

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Good gass, Lord's bird gass.
It's the best. You make it

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yourself. Nuts, I'm from bird
you know. Pucker up, don't you?

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Huh? Just put your lips together? What's up? What is this

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gonna cost? Yeah? Back again? Yeah? Oh? How do you

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feel about that? I don't feel
I'm the executive way I go for a

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big trip. Were controlling? I
hate the music. Welcome to the projection

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booth. I'm your host, Mike
Boye. Joining me is miss Heather Drane.

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Hello. Hello. Also back in
the booth is mister Darren Williams.

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I'll go boom hey kids. On
this episode, we are talking about Neil

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Young's Human Highway, OH. Directed
by Young under his Bernard Shaky name and

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Dean Stockwell. The film stars Rust
Tamblin as Fred Kelly, eight gass jockey

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and mechanic who gets a new job
working for Young Otto, played by Dean

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Stockwell. Released in nineteen eighty two, the film ties into Neil Young's rust

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never Sleeps and Punk era of his
career. I am frankly not sure if

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there's a lot to spoil about this
movie. You might actually be better off

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listening to this before you go and
track down the movie. So just take

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that as you will. Darren,
when was the first time you saw Human

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Highway and what did you think?
Well, the first time I encountered it

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was about twenty years ago. I
read Steve Pachelski's review of it, which,

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wow, he was knock kind on. About two or three years after

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that I managed to track down and
leg of the original cut, the non

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director's cut. Yeah, I was
kind of at that phase in my life

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where I was determined to love everything
that was a cult film that didn't have

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a good reception. But this took
me a time or two. I really

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liked it, and I really appreciated
the loose, shaky quality of the film

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and the way it kind of anticipated
a lot of things that were happening in

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eighties comedies that kind of brightly covered
nonsensical stuff. But it took me a

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few views before I really fell in
love with it. And how there,

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how about yourself? I remember reading
I want to say it was a review

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written by Michael Waldon's a different,
a difficult writing legend. And of course

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I'm a huge Debat fan. I've
been a huge Diva fan since I was

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in my teens, and I was
obsessed to try and find this film,

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and for a long time it was
not the easiest thing to get a hold

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of, and I'd see little clips
of it, in fact, on a

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lot of the Debau music video compilation. And I want to say that the

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truth about the complete truth about the
Evolution DVD that Rhino put out, they

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have the Worried Man clip in its
whole song form, and that was a

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little teaser. Really, Oh my
god, I gotta get this film.

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And so I finally was able to
get the director's cut that Neil Young put

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out, and I was not disappointed. And you know, when you've anticipated

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a film for that long, there's
always that kind of fear of like,

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oh God, is there anyway it's
going to live up to what you've built

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in your head. But it actually
surpassed it, which credos because my brain

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is a weird space. And yeah, I don't mean this is a cult

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film lover's dream. I mean you've
got like, like there's a lot of

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like Twin Peaks, David Lynch people
crossover here. You also have Fox Harris,

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Sally you know, Sally Kirkland,
so many we'll talk we can get

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at the cast. Yeah, I
mean I loved it. It's definitely not

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for everybody, but I think anything
really worth viewing is not going to be

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for everybody. I only saw this
for the show. I remember seeing the

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VHS at Thomas Video. Maybe a
few other places, but mostly Thomas Video

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in their cult film section. Sorry
guys, but it's a really ugly VHS

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cover. It's just got this like
hazardous material type thing on the cover.

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And it really just kind of kept
me away because it wasn't appealing at all

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and I didn't know anything about it. And then years later I can't even

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remember who suggests that we cover this
for the show. Might have been you,

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Heather, I'm not sure, because
I know sounds on brand, I

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know how much you like this one. I think you've even been on the

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Culture Cast to talk about this.
So here I am eating Chris Stashu's lunch.

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But I really found this one to
be pretty intriguing, and like you

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said, all of the crossover with
the Twin Peaks stuff, but I had

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a hard time believing that this was
nineteen eighty two. It feels like this

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was being done after Twin Peaks.
It just feels a little bit more fresh

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and just the colors you mentioned,
Darren. Stuff was so bright and so

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studio bound, but it didn't feel
super studio bound, like it didn't feel

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like we were on such a set, because there are some movies where you

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feel like, oh, this is
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place. But they were doing some
interesting things, I mean right from the

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beginning, like when you've got Neil
Young and Rustamblin on bicycles and this really

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incredibly obvious background that they're riding in
front of. I just love how fake

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it is, and I love the
use of miniatures, especially seeing the whole

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town being laid out, hearing the
news broadcast from the radio. DJ's kind

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of setting up the whole story that
there's this competition of bands and that the

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nukes the Devo band is the new
Keys and they seem to work at this

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nuclear waste treatment plant, and how
they won last year with their song Shrivel

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Up, and you know it's great. I was just like, oh,

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okay, I'm already intrigued and I
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it move at a lightning fast pace? No? But do you feel like

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you're getting to know these characters each
time you watch it? Yeah? And

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I think that I enjoyed this movie
more every time I watch it. Absolutely.

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I mean it's kind of like an
own way, like a socially conscious

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fever dream, and I really respect
that because it actually like it's it's a

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film that there is some definitely kind
of like serious themes and utter Currently the

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nuclear fear is the biggest one,
but there's other things going to But it

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never feels preachy, and Neil Young, I think, has always been such

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an outlier because of course, you
know what, don't you think of Crosby,

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Stills A Nash and a lot of
their peers, like they already seem

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like old hat by the time this
movie's out, in my opinion, And

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Neil Young, he's just never gotten
that kind of foginess about him. He

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never seemed overly preachy. He's obviously
political, always has been, but he

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never seems to like ram things down
in that way like you never seems like

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when people say okay, boom or
they don't mean Neil Young, they mean

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David Crosby. Weird Diva wore treating
him like that though, weren't they like

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the old fogy Yeah at the butt
the Live show when he showed up to

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watch them and they had the audience
chant and real dung instead of Niil Young

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and the grandfather of Granola and all
that stuff. So Diva, like a

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lot of you know, the punk
and new wave bounds, they were seeing

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people like Young as the enemy to
an extent until they worked on this.

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I think, Yeah, there's that
whole kill your idols, like the old

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generations are out of touch, But
Yeah, Neil Young never really felt out

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of touch. I remember, I
think it was right after this came out

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he did the album that was more
rockabilly, and he had that what was

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it called Wandering was the song and
has a great music video to it,

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and he just always feels like he
was reinventing himself. And I know some

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of that was kind of a fuck
you to the label that he was on,

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like, you can't put me into
a box. I will change every

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single time I put out a new
album. I think that's fantastic. I

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really appreciate that he was doing that
and just lifting a middle finger to the

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industry that he was in, oh
one hundred percent. And those three albums

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are all like classics too, because
it's like I think everybody shakens the rockabilly

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one, there's Old Ways, which
is like a traditional country kind of album,

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and then he did trans which is
like his experimental, sort of scent

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like electronic album, and I think
that one was the one that was the

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ultimate deal break. What I really
like about Neil Young the whole time,

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though, is that it's not just
the record label he was saying that too.

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He was saying it essentially to his
audience. If you like it great,

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if you don't like it even bad
at you seem to be entertaining himself

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a lot of the time. This
big Allenton, I'll ever probably compare him

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to Love Read. But I love
both of them. I mean usually Read

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fan. But the thing I've respect
about both thems, I feel like they're

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these are cats that always have made
the music they want to make at that

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time. And yeah, I don't
think Neil Young has ever sold out.

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I don't think anybody could ever accuse
him. If anything, he's run the

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opposite direction. Mad respect for the
man Bowie as well. He reminds me

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of in just this constant reinvention of
himself and who he is and what an

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augenance can expect from. And like
Bowie, he was a major champion of

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new young music. He wasn't scared
by any of it. He's playing adult

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essentially, he just has this stupid
look on his face through so much of

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it. But he's a lovable adult. But then he's also playing the super

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hip, out of touch rocker,
this Frankie Fontaine character who has like this

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compadour, and he sits in the
shadows in his limousine and he's got that

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crazy cigarette lighter and he just feels
like the most pompous asshole of all.

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And it's just again Neil Young making
fun of the image that he's supposed to

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have, and really he's more like
the dorky Lionel that is going around.

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I love that he named himself Lionel
too, because I know he's a huge

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trained face and so why not go
with Lionel? And there are trains all

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over this movie as well, especially
some great miniatures. Frankie Fontane character,

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I feel like he could almost pass
for like the twin of Boris Blank from

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the band Yellow. And I'm not
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He isn't, but I mean the
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Frankie fun I always wish he would
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had done like a whole album as
Frankie Fontee. And I was just the

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love to hear what that would sound
like. But yeah, Lionel, Lionels

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like almost like him and the Russ
Tamplin character, like they have like this

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great sort of childlike not innocence,
but there's like a sweetness about them,

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like you really love these characters,
and it's almost kind of like these just

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like two Innocence in this world that
seems very much like small town America,

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but in a mutant kind of form. It's it's got that Poust fifties sort

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of atomic feel to it. Aesthetically, I was wondering when it's actually meant

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to be set, because if there's
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casino and out to space at the
same time as Johnny ray Is still on

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television, what the hell here are
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Young relationship to be very much Vaudeville. It's really all school comedy acts.

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If you listen to the way they're
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each other and confusing things. It's
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to extend all Lewis and Martin,
because there's a lot of Jerry Lewis and

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that Neil Young performance. Unfortunately,
there's something about it that also reminds me

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of another nineteen eighty two performance by
non actor Stephen King and Creep Show.

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There's just something that reminds me majority
Barrel if instead of being turned into a

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plant. He was turned into a
nineteen fifty eight Jerry Lewis character, which

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would have been a better film.
That's one thing that maybe on the first

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viewing people didn't like necessarily was that
repartition that they have. And when they're

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talking about how there is old Auto
Auto courts and that he died of radiation

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poisoning, and then you've got Lionel
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I fix radiators all the time,
and I even drank the water from

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the radiators. And you've got Fred
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like, no, no, it's
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radios. And it's like instead of
like Martin and Lewis, it's almost like

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two Lewis's, you know. And
Russ Tamblin with his flipping and all of

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his physical comedy when he comes into
Young Auto's office and falls over that bicycle

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and he's doing a lot of pratfalls
in this. Actually, I think this

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rolls almost the perfect Russ tablet light
crossover because he's like, you have elements

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of his first iteration, like as
a Hollywood guy, as a kid actor,

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and you know, he's a West
Side storying. He's a great physical

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dancer. And then it's a cult
film, so we got like the al

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Adamson this has something to do with
al Addison, just go work with me

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here on this. And but then
we have like art house cult too,

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which you know we end up seeing
him and stuff like twin Peaks. So

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this film's almost like the Bridge.
This is almost like a cool kind of

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bridge period actually for a lot of
these actors, because think about it,

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Dean Stockwell, when he did this, he was considered his career is from

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much considered on skids. Oh my
god, can we talk about Dennis Hopper.

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Yeah, the thing you really want
on your film set is a clearly

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very high on borderline psychotic Dennis Hopper
with a knife. That's really all you

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need in the film set. Yeah. Poor Sally's I know, like she

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ended up getting like getting attendance ever
because she's trying to grab the knife away

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from him because he was freaking her
out. Oh figure, and like he

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actually he didn't did our purpose,
but I guess she'll like sued him and

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all that and even but he's so
I mean, he's in his hopper as

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a fry Cark feeding raccoons pancakes,
and the raccoon's name is Amos. He

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even named it, and you know
that sh it's not in the script.

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No, you know, he's like, this is amous. They're like,

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yeah, okay, Denis, that's
Samos the rint. My favorite top of

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moment is towards the end when they
were prise and worried man and he does

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that little bit of business and he's
clearly stoned out of his mind on the

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look on his face, delighted,
this childlike innocent grin when he pops up

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at the end and he's so high, so high, high on life.

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You mentioned the script, and I
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they were writing stuff down as they're
doing it, so there really wasn't a

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script that they were working off of. And it feels like that sometimes.

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The other times I'm just like,
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you've got really you know, all
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really strong actors. The only real
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And Neil Young. I mean,
he does a freaking fantastic job of this.

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You would never think that this guy
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Absolutely, If you can match a
guy like Russ Hamblin, you got the

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goods and almost maybe wish like he
would have done more movies, which is

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something I very rarely ever say about
musicians who aren't who aren't like David boy

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doing acting. Though all this reminds
me of Joe Strummer when he was talking

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about History Train. He was just
like, Yeah, I'm going to keep

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acting until asshole's like Don Johnson quit
singing. Oh God, I miss him.

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Lynch came up a little illier.
Do you know if he ever actually

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saw this film, David Lynch,
it feels like he must have. I

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mean, with Charlotte Stewart in here
aka Mary X from eraser Head aka a

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major Briggs's wife in Twin Peaks,
and gosh, she was in a few

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other Lynch things, if memory serves, And then it feels like this is

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a tryout tape for Blue Velvet and
then for Twin Peaks, because with Dean

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Stockwell and Dennis Hopper in that in
Blue Velvet, and then you've got your

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Russ Hamblin and Charlotte Stewart inside of
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it just feels like there's such connections
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he must have seen it just to
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not only that. The scene where
well, it's different depending on which head

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of the film you'd been watching,
but the original it's Sally Kirkland just after

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she's been fired and she's sitting there. She's playing The End of the World

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on the jukebox, and she looks
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which I think is the biggest laugh
in the film, just that Dean stock

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Will looking so saintly in such a
bad wig and false beard. And there's

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that train running through the background with
a house in the middle of it passing

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through the window. It feels like
something from the Double Art. It feels

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like you're in Twin Peaks the entire
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old rock and roll song on the
soundtrack, but it feels Lynchian the entire

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thing. It's in the Willhouse,
it's adjacent, I think a hundred percent.

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So we really haven't talked too much
about the plot of this movie,

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and there's not really a lot going
on. There's this whole thing with a

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diner slash garage, so there's the
diner and there's the garage with the gas

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pumps outside. So you've got young
Otto who is now taking over the family

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business since his dad died of radiation
poisoning, and he is setting up new

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rules. But at some point he
gets the idea. And we don't really

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get when he gets this idea,
but at some point he says, you

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know what, I'm just going to
fire everybody, and then I'm wanting to

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torch the place and collect the insurance
money. I don't know why you would

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fire people first. It feels like
you would just torch the place and be

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like, oh, sorry, you
don't have a place to come back to

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for work. But maybe I'm planning
too much of this, but planning ahead,

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I should say. So you've got
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front and they're doing their things.
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It's mostly the waitresses and Dennis Hopper
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odd characters come in. And then
on the other side of town, you've

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got Divo. Who are these nuclear
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And I love how the red is
just being over emphasized and just kind of

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popping off of the screen. They
are literally glowing with radiation, and they

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load up the truck with all this
nuclear waste and then Boogie Boy jumps onto

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the truck and a little Boogie Boy
goes a long way. Let me just

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say that, I'll have dare you. I love boogie Boy. Oh my

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god, Mike, boogie Boy.
He's the best part of this film.

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Come on, and I think Boogie
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with any kind of awareness of what's
going on. During the word Men song,

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his little speech about everyone's reach into
that big ice cream cone in the

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sky, he's in present with any
kind of awareness. Within Divo, he

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was what the infantilized eve evolution of
men. That was his intended roll and

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General Boy's son. I have a
super nerd of Divo. But yeah,

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that's a good that's a good descriptor
people. Actually, in fairness, Mike,

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people do tend to have very hot
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If you're a rod router, if
that, if you're that much of a

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Devo ner'd, all you deep cutters
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Boy. I remember somebody online actually
asked Jerry Cassali about about like, why

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do you guys use that creep beam
ask? And Jerry went on some this

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is when Bush Junior was an office
on some See ran about, Oh I'm

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glad you're scared of a little mask
and we have a war criminal. Oh

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the piss that delighted me. This
in Vinegar of Jerry Cassali. Boogie Boy

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is just such a striking presence,
and he really stands out in this film

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because he's got that Mickey Mouse hate
Poluto voice and that mask which always reminds

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me slightly of you remember the mask
in Alice Sweet Dallas. Yeah, it's

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just got a similar vibe to it
for me. And he's just this this

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voice of anarchy. And I's think, if someone watches this film and doesn't

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like it, I can understand up. But surely everyone's got to appreciate this

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film, if just for Diva Neil
Young doing hey, hey, my mind

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together? Yeah, and Bookie By
just steals every scene he's in. But

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yeah, you're right, it's better
that they do under use him really in

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the film, because if he became
anymore he would tend to I think he'd

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over balance the film slightly. It's
just the voice. The voice gets to

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me after a little bit, and
then like some of the weird things where

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he's just like my mom's got a
big butt, and I'm just like what

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all right, Oh oh, I
live for the barrel go boom? Yeah,

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I mean that firn on barrel,
that poor scene, the where it's

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like barrel go boom, bar and
it's like, no, it didn't.

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We're not seeing that. We're seeing
like the front projection and the something is

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skid, and I'm like, okay, I'm supposed to assume that this barrel

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fell off of this truck, but
I'm not really seeing it because you couldn't

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really afford to shoot that. That's
okay, I understand. And then poor

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Peggy Young, who is Neil Young's
wife at the time. She is behind

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the truck and I think you see
her again at the end, but she

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has been cut out of the non
the director's cut quite a bit, because

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she shows up at least like two
or three more times than the original VHS

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version of this Are You Naughty Boy? Neil? Yeah? Yeah? In

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the XY I do have to say
that My Struggle by Boogie Boy is out

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on archive dot org and available for
download. For anybody who wants it.

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So quite interesting. It's like two
hundred and ninety one pages. It feels

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like a like a real old school
zine. There's all of this cutting paste

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of text and images with ironic captions
underneath. It was very neat to read.

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I had a good time going that. What a world. I love

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it. I love it. We
have archive dot org same here. Not

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to turne in two commercial for them, but what a resource at least for

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now, oh not come one.
Yeah, that's how the barrel goes doom

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dear and your your take degree right, almost being like would you almost gett

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of like a weird sort of like
moral sort of a Greek chorus? Yeah,

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well, I think Devo in general
a serving is the Greek chorus.

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Also in the original cut where they
bring the radio station into director's cut to

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kind of serve that purpose a little
bit. And you know, worried man,

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I mean, do you know the
original version of that song? It

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look like an old yeah, but
yeah, and they took it from I

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think it was an Appalachian folk song
before. But apparently the original is about

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someone waking up on a bank and
finding himself imprisoned and not really knowing the

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crime. There's something too that of
that being used as the recurring song for

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this film, where you know,
everyone's life in the world, but especially

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in this little valley, is trapped
and sort of ended by nuclear war,

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is by the threat of nuclear power, and it's just transposing that original idea

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of your life not being in control
of dark forces that you have no saying,

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assembling against you. And I think
that's why they picked that song to

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us as the occurring thing. But
yeah, even within that group, Boogie

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Boy, I don't know if he's
the voice of morality. It's actually but

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he's kind of the only one who's
awake at all. He's the only one

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who realizes how dangerous this is.
Everyone else is so blase about it all.

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Now the people respond to it,
like there's that scene later on in

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the diner where one of the customers
is complaining because everyone else tabs has been

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stopped, but Diva or allowed one
because they work at the nuclear plant.

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And there's this weird almost defense and
belief and blind faith in nuclear power that

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the same way as patriotism isn't usually
portrayed in films like this, it's and

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Boogie Boy is the only one really
not caught in that trap, not so

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completely blind to it. Everything is
actually going on around him. I do

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love to at a stopper that seeing
where he's like, go with the globe,

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boys, go with the globe,
like he thought, And you're right.

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It does have that kind of that
that very like sort of uber patriotic

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kind of tone. I feel like
there's almost and i'd be if I'm talking

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out of my talks here you guys, both of you please like be like,

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girl, what are you doing?
What are you saying? But I

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fo there's also kind of almost like
a classicism or not class them, but

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like a class commentary, because like
all of our main characters are working class,

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and I mean they live in this
this area where the only real like

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real availability you have to survive is
like working at a diner, working as

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a prior, you know, a
fried cook, working you know, as

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a guy pumping gas, working at
a factory, like a nuclear factory.

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close thing if we have to like
a traditional villain. But Auto is like

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almost just seems like kind of like
an emasculated and the big scheme of this

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universe that even he doesn't really seem
that bad. It's like it's almost like

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the villain in this film is more
of just almost just sort of like it's

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it's nuclear energy, but it's also
just the mess that we've that humanity has

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basically sort of sewn itself into.
Yeah, I'm both Young and Stockwell with

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big environmentalists as well. And Young
was really he was pot to know nukes,

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wasn't me? I believe? Yeah? Yeah, which is so which

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is so cool to talk about guys, both of them being ahead of their

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time, like Dean. I think
a lot of people know that about like

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Young, but a lot of people
realize like Dean Stockwell has always been kind

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of this very cool, like countercultural
activist kind of guy and also very like

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supportive of weird art, Like even
in his golden ears he was making like

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media like visual media art out of
things like dice and you know, like

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like sort of like mixed media kind
of things and just I love Yeah.

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great actor, you know, Dean Stockwell,

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like this whole film is like everybody
I love singing in cinema, any

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of these, any of these people. And now Neil Young. I'm like,

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now, I'm like, what if
there's like an alternauniverse and creep show

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where Jordy Varrel's played by Neelie as
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because you think about these, I
mean, Hopper, Stockwell and Tambling are

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all guys that basically kind of grew
up with the Hollywood system and rejected it

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and we're just kind of had that
anti conformity kind of thing just rooted into

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them, and say with Neil Young, but Neil Young is able to see

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outside the rock star bubble, like
this is a guy that never really seemed

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to ever get himself in that bubble. And that's a hard thing to do

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fame of any kind, and especially
just that era of rock gods, DN

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know, and just I mean even
and some of them, And that's shit

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a lot a lot of people can't
even shake. I mean, not to

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disparage the dead, but I mean
even David Crosby when he was still alive,

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some of his tweets, you could
tell he's still viewed himself like I'm

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the voice of a generation. And
I don't ever feel like Neil Young comes

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across like that, you know,
Like I feel like he's he's just a

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really smart guy. He's the guy
you could talk with and he's not going

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to be an asshole to you and
bullshit you or talked down to you.

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More importantly, I think that's the
thing is as experimental and weird as this

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film, because a lot of people
that are anti art house one haven't really

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seen a lot of it. But
also maybe they had a bad experience where

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they saw a film that was pretentious
and they felt talked down to for being

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like a cult esoteric film. I
feel like that's a film that is having

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the viewers on the level with it, if that makes sense, And I

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think that's super cool. It's something
I always really appreciate. It's really weird

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to think that just a few years
prior to this that Hopper, Tamblin,

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and Stockwell were all in the last
movie. I mean, these guys are

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all like being Stockwell was a child
star, Tamlin started off very young,

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Hopper started off very young. That
these guys had been through the ringer,

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you know, working their way up
and being rebellious and just all of these

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things that they remained friends for all
these years and are still working on projects

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together as pretty wild to me.
Well, Stockwell and Tamblin we're in a

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film together when they were like nine
or ten something like that. The last

404
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.279
movie. I mean, that's where
this all starts, really, isn't it.

405
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:26.319
Because Poppa I think he said he
had a deal with Universal Post Easy

406
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.759
Rider that they would match the money
he put up on a film, and

407
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.319
he said to Deem Stockwell, do
you want to write a script? And

408
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:36.559
Stockwell come up with After the gold
Rush, which I think has been lost,

409
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.200
hasn't it the script for it?
And then you were talking a little

410
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:42.480
bit before we started recording about how
Human Highway came about. What was that

411
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:48.160
whole story? Stockwell he'd written After
the gold Rush, and Neil Young came

412
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.920
in and agreed to do the soundtrack
album. So that's where After the gold

413
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.200
Rush the album comes from. He
was Flans the thing for that, and

414
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.799
the film that he was writing was
about the end of the world. It

415
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.960
was about people into panga and basically
there's a giant tidal wave. The last

416
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:11.200
shot of the script apparently was this
giant tidal wave coming to destroy everything that

417
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:17.000
never got made. And then Young
and Stockwell through around ideas for something called

418
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:22.519
the Tree from out the Space which
sounds wildly trippy. It was about a

419
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.559
tree that could turn into a rocket, and it takes off into space with

420
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.279
this variety of people who've gone exploring
the tree, and they set up this

421
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.839
new civilization based around the tree.
And the tree was powered by giant organ

422
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.759
that you had to play music the
right thing and the tree could fly because

423
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:44.599
of it. And that never happened
either. And Human Highway just came out

424
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.680
of all that. It came out
of less work together. So this script,

425
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:49.359
this didn't work, Let's do this
script. This didn't work, and

426
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:56.200
then he moved on then and Young
first wanted Human Highway to be basically about

427
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.599
the life of a rock star on
the road, so it would have been

428
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.559
I think Frankie Fontaine character or something
like that. And that's what the Wizard

429
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.920
of Oz esque dream sequences in this
film are. They from that original film

430
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.200
in that, you know, the
bonfire is scene and the diva and all

431
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.079
that, and it eventually transformed into
Human Highway. And what we were saying

432
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.880
about old Hollywood, and Heather was
saying about, you know, everyone in

433
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.720
this reject and hold Hollywood. The
film is still incredibly in debt to hold

434
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:29.160
Hollywood and Young said that when I
think he said this in his autobiography,

435
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:34.400
but he wanted everything to look deliberately
fake because he felt in old films,

436
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.039
the more fake they loved, the
realer it became. And this is almost

437
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:42.359
brecked here. They now fake it
looks it's constantly reminding you this is a

438
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.160
film, this is a film.
These are fake, these are sets,

439
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.440
these are miniatures, and yeah,
so it all came from that. But

440
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.680
I think it's uses some Hollywood tropes
and plot in and it uses some classic

441
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:59.559
Hollywood so just references. There's constant
references to films and old music, like

442
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.279
Charlotte Stewart at one point to sing
and I can't give you anything but love

443
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.799
baby from bringing a baby for obvious
reasons. Neil Young is whistling somewhere a

444
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.880
lot and obviously listen in joke with
Tamblin, but to have and have not

445
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:17.319
this sort of misquoted halfway through with
Geraldy and Battern and Dean Stockwell. But

446
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:23.200
I think Dean Stockwell in this isn't
playing it like he's in a screwball,

447
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.359
Like he's the straight man role in
the screwball. He's the only one who's

448
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.240
under playing really and not doing the
big reactions to a thing. I think

449
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.680
it's a brilliant comedic performance that's kind
of overshadowed a little bit by what Young

450
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.119
and Tamblin are doing. But I
think he's incredible in this Dean stockwell from

451
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:45.799
what I understand, just the name
Rust Never Sleeps is somehow coming from Devo.

452
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:51.480
The boogie boy had that written across
his nappy, that breast never sleeps.

453
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.400
And there's debate. I've read a
Devo biography words you know, somebody

454
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.279
were saying, oh yeah, because
we worked at this advertising agency, and

455
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.519
it's like, no, actually worked
at an advertising agency, so don't lie

456
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.199
kind of thing. But like,
was it a commercial slogan for like Rustoleum,

457
00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.800
We don't know kind of thing.
But Rust Never Sleeps. The album

458
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.239
comes out in seventy nine, this
movie comes out in eb two. So

459
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.920
you can tell that this had been
in the works for a long time.

460
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.719
Because that recording of Devo playing with
Neil Young doing Hey, Hey, My

461
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.559
My, into the Blue, Out
of the Black or whatever name you want

462
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.400
to call that song. I mean
that feels like it was being shot and

463
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.039
done in like seventy eight, seventy
nine and Rust Never Sleeps comes out in

464
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:42.880
seventy nine, and Live Rust is. Yeah, Live Rust is also seventy

465
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.000
nine. You've got Hawks and Doves
and Reactor and trans and you can hear

466
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:52.039
part of I think it's part of
Reactor in the movie when Frankie Fontaine rolls

467
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.039
down this window. You get to
hear what is it, mister soul.

468
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.239
I think it's the name of the
song. But I know, of course

469
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.039
two when we're talking about this movie, we're talking about two different cuts of

470
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.320
it, so I don't know if
that was the song that was playing in

471
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.239
the original version of it when it
came out maybe two, or if that

472
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:14.599
was later on when he did the
director's cut and changed out some of the

473
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.039
songs. Yeah, that's weird the
music change it Isn't It completely throws you

474
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.199
because the first time I've ever watched
the two cuts back to back was full

475
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.039
of this, and I was just
it's the music different than this. It's

476
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.239
a strange little thing that's going on
there. But yeah, I've heared that

477
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:35.239
Divo story too, and I think
it probably kind of makes sense that it

478
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.360
was that the performance would have been
filmed in seventy seven seventy eight because it's

479
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:44.800
a very punk performance and punk and
apart from the cartoony punk, the punk

480
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.840
itself that they were doing, I'd
pretty much died out by the early eighties.

481
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.519
Yeah, so I think it makes
it's more natural that would have been

482
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.119
filmed early on the slogan would have
come from. But I also think that

483
00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:00.440
Divo and Neil Young to an extent, had taken You do not think Waits

484
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.719
doesn't interviews or he used to do. He would always lie to the interview.

485
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.360
You'd always make up a story of
whatever entertain him most. I think

486
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.639
there's a lot of that going on
with this. Oh, I can definitely

487
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:15.039
see that. Yeah, what isn't
evidenced by film. I don't tend to

488
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.599
believe about this movie, which is
one hundred percent fare that is. Yeah,

489
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.559
And I don't think I'm wrong for
doing that. I'm not calling anybody

490
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:24.920
a liar directly. It's just that
feels like there's a lot of memories.

491
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.239
There are probably a lot of drugs
involved, all this kind of stuff,

492
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.400
and then a lot of time passed, you know, if the whole thing

493
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:36.760
of you know this, here's the
story of Johnny Rotten and then Mark Mothersbab

494
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.119
being like I don't want to say
John Rotten, and you know what kind

495
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:45.480
of connotation does Johnny Rotten have?
And seventy seven versus eighty two pretty different.

496
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.639
There was no Johnny Rotten by eighty
two, he'd gone back to John

497
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.039
Lyden. It looked like from what
I could tell, Deepo started doing Worried

498
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.719
Man as part of their set,
going back to at least seventy eight,

499
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.880
but it was usually when they were
as their alter ego band Dove, the

500
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:06.280
Band of Love, where they would
come out wearing like visors and these hideous,

501
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.559
hideous like kind of leisure suits,
and we're basically like a pseudo Christian

502
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:15.000
type band, and they would open
for Devot and there'll be times where apparently

503
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.119
they'd get booed because the audience.
If you see any performances of them as

504
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.599
Dove, it's like, how did
you guys not know this was TAFO.

505
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.480
I mean, it's pretty There's not
many people that look like Mark Mother's Ball.

506
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:28.559
There's not many people look like Jerry
Cassali, you know, and the

507
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:34.199
shrivel up connection because Dove appears as
Dove in the nineteen eighty Dabney Coleman movie

508
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:39.440
Pray TV. But they're performing shrivel
Up, which is weird because shrivel ups

509
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:44.880
about basically like I mean, I
cannot get an erection. It's like Devo's

510
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.760
destroyer, not Kiss destroy but Kinks
destroyer, and so to have Dove,

511
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.480
you know, singing shrivel I love
Devo. I've never seen the whole movie,

512
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.480
but I've seen that clip. And
it's not to be confused with the

513
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.760
nineteen eighty two TV movie with John
Ridder Pray TV. There are two pretvs

514
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.599
back like two years, within two
years the whole sequence in here. So

515
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.119
we probably should talk a little bit
about the dream sequence because, like I

516
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:14.480
said, there's not a ton going
on, but at one point Frankie Fontaine

517
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.880
shows up and Lionel is just so
enamored and he's like, oh, you

518
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.199
got a got a noise and you
rear end and then eventually starts to fix

519
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.440
the car and this wrench follows on
his head and he goes into this dream

520
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:32.719
sequence. And in that basically you're
seeing You're saying, concert footage, you're

521
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.880
seeing a little bit of a road
movie. You see this performance by Divo

522
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:44.199
doing was It Comeback? Johnny from
the very very first album, and I

523
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.360
love how they're dressed in this these
like cowboy outfits and stuff. You know,

524
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:52.519
like another great alternate Divo that we
have with this this cowboy band doing

525
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:58.880
Comeback Johnny. And then yeah,
we get whole sequence of them doing Hey,

526
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.239
Hey My My with Neil Young,
and that's fantastic. I love that

527
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.039
song, and I love seeing them
play it, and I love seeing just

528
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:10.760
Divo basically destroying that song. It's
so fun. Oh Divo doing covers in

529
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:15.320
general. I mean that one is
definitely on my list of favorites. I

530
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.960
mean, right next to you know, obviously Worried Man Satisfaction. There's on

531
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.639
a live Devo album called I think
when I say it's called originally it's called

532
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:27.800
it now it can be Told,
but I think it has a different name

533
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:31.480
since it's been rereleased. But they
do a medley that Somewhere and it's called

534
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.480
Somewhere with Divo. The whole thing's
called but they like at one point incorporate

535
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.679
the West Side Story song, which
is so I didn't even think about,

536
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.400
like the whistling of Somewhere in this
movie till you said that. I'm like,

537
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.599
oh shit, wait that comes up
again with Divo, which again that's

538
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.119
kind of a gift. This is
one of those movies where there's all these

539
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.760
little things. It definitely does merit
like multiple rewatching this because there's gonna be

540
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.800
so many things you miss. I'm
hoping like more people will seek it out

541
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.760
because you know, I'm thinking,
like, wouldn't be great if we got

542
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:04.440
like a rerelease of this with both
cuts and speaking of links, there's also

543
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.280
Hopper as well. Out of the
Blue. Oh my god, how did

544
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.760
I even miss that? Thank you? I was like, holy shit,

545
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.880
that's so I don't That's that's the
thing. There's so much and like give

546
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:19.280
us commentary tracks because that Blue ray
doesn't have a whole lot in the way

547
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.840
of supplements. And it's like most
of these, I mean a good amount

548
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.280
of these people are still with us. Young is tambling is speaking of links

549
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.400
and this is a bit tenuous.
But the whole thing with Missus Robinson showing

550
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.239
up, did she reminds you of
a John Water's character, because I could

551
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:39.320
you Edith Massey saying those lines and
at one point she calls out Dennis Hopper's

552
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:44.199
name, which is Cracker, and
of course crackers and pink flamingoes. Anyone

553
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.679
else think that was deliberate. I
don't know if it was deliberate, but

554
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:50.719
when she was like, Cracker,
Cracker, are you going to start talking

555
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.239
about the eggs? Now, what's
going on? I did not think that.

556
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:57.199
Now I won't be able to unthink
it. Like the next time I've

557
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.880
watched this, I'm like, holy
shit, Darren is right, it's Lassie.

558
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.960
And you know I have to mention
because you guys, this is like

559
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.760
part of my religion. At this
point. Fox Harris is in this movie

560
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:15.280
as an Arab, a bisexual Arab. Uh. Yes, yeah, who

561
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:21.000
had already had sex with the waitress. I've tried you already, I hollered.

562
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:25.639
I oh, I convenched. I
did somersaults in my heart because I'm

563
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.119
not that physically spife. I tried
to do a little somersault your girl being

564
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.800
a cast right now. But Irene, I believe it's Irene because he tries

565
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:38.960
to like woo this like stud Milkman
played by David Blue, who's a total

566
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.440
dick to pro Lionel by the way, I was like, oh, he's

567
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:45.599
the real villain. Fuck it,
he's the real villain. And the milk

568
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:51.599
that's the villain v and means the
Lionel and the Fox Harris and for everybody

569
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.800
listening, like, who's Fox thererist? Fox Harris is this gem of a

570
00:41:53.880 --> 00:42:00.079
character actor bestone probably for being the
guy with the sunglasses and repo man and

571
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.159
that's driving the car with the loot. But of course for our all you

572
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:09.679
Steven Sadie and people out there,
he's in Doctor Calgary and he Fox Harris

573
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:12.519
is just one of those guys.
He's great and everything, and he's in

574
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:16.400
this movie for five minutes and just
the faces he makes when he goes you

575
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:22.519
know, I already have like yeah, because she's like trappy and he's just

576
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:28.039
like and he makes this like undulation
with his mouth that only Fox Harris could

577
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.599
do. I was just like,
oh he You know. They have a

578
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.400
term I think in Drag where like
if a girl's picking the apples, she's

579
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.920
gonna get a lot of tips because
she's reaching her hands, those legs a

580
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:43.599
kick and she is working that stage. Fox Harris picks the entire orchard.

581
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.320
He is apple picking, and I
love him for it. Inclusion of the

582
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.639
Milkman does lead to a scene I
can't watch, which is the milk bath

583
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.880
sequence during the dream sequence. Oh
that disgusted me. Is that in all

584
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.920
versions or is that just in the
the VHS version? I believe it's cut

585
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.400
down in the director's cut, but
it is in there. It is in

586
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.800
there, but shorter of shorter version, it's much shorter. Yeah, are

587
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.719
you do you have a thing with
milk? Is milk like super grocers to

588
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.719
you? No, it's not milk
being super gross to me, it's just

589
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:20.719
that image of him lying there covered
with the straw. It's just this something

590
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.559
really upset and about that, this
really unwholesome dood scene. Yet we all

591
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.559
have triggers. I had a friend
who she's like, oh god, gammo

592
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.719
disturbed me, and I'm like,
well, that's normal, but yeah,

593
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.280
it was was that see where he's
in the bathtub eating and she was like

594
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.480
that. She's like I had to
turn it off with that, and I'm

595
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:43.920
like that was and gummo, that
was that? Really? No, I'm

596
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.039
done, actually, but peopleman goes
and do some bales who like eat if

597
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:50.920
Massey covered and eggs was like they
were fine with the singing anus and the

598
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:55.960
feces, but the hard bawled eggs
on poor eaties shivering cleavage was just much

599
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.400
too much like kid, you do? That was my react into this.

600
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.000
Oh and there was no need to
see that. Yeah, you could have

601
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:06.519
got that. So we were talking
about the radiation and all this, and

602
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.400
there's a at one point there's a
guess it's an earthquake, but they call

603
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.960
it a roller that's going through here. And then later on we just have

604
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.280
all out nuclear war and I guess
wherever this is being set, and I

605
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:24.960
guess it has to be around California
Nevada border because of the cal Neva patches.

606
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:30.760
Yeah, the jumpsuits that Divo have. They get obliterated by nuclear war

607
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:32.599
and you get to see it coming
from both sides. It looks like both

608
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.800
American missile and a Russian missile are
both coming towards this town and just wipes

609
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.760
it out except for Boogie Boy.
Boogie Boys the only one that's left,

610
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.519
and he gets to give this whole
discussion about you know, how bad this

611
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:52.280
is, this glowing healthscape now that
they're in. But that's before then they

612
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:57.960
have a musical reprise of Worried Man
with all of the characters there with their

613
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:02.159
shovels and their civil defense symbols on
there. And I love when when a

614
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.840
whole movie just turns into a musical
out of nowhere. I absolutely love that.

615
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.440
Oh my god, same day.
The first time I watched it,

616
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.519
I was like overjoyed. And Fox
Harris is a part of the unsolvel and

617
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.960
we get to see like Russ and
Lionel like yo, yeah, dancing through

618
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:27.039
that thing on the shovels with her
feet. Yes, that's amazing. Comblin

619
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.159
actually choreographed it, didn't he,
I believe. So. I love Sally

620
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:36.360
Kirkland's like she gets like extra raunchy
with some of her gyrations. She is

621
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.119
like reminded me she's in, um, this a really great rippedtorn movie called

622
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.639
Coming Apart, And she does like
a sexy dance and it's almost like it's

623
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.239
it's like that, but Coming Apart's
way, way, way darker. Believe

624
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.679
it or not, This film has
nuclear annihilation, but that's something. It's

625
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.679
a kind of a light viewing despite
the world ending. Yeah, well,

626
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.440
and it ends on necessarily a hopeful
note. But this whole thing of the

627
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.119
limo pulling up to this huge staircase
that seems to be going up to heaven

628
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:13.800
and all of the characters ascending that
all too takes a worried man going on

629
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.119
in the background and everything. This
is one of the few movies I will

630
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:21.559
watch the entire credits every single time, just for the music and also to

631
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.559
watch the people going up the stairs. And then of course you have that

632
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:28.400
great tagline at the end, watch
for Human Highway three. And I'm like,

633
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.599
am I reading that wrong? It
say two and my eyes are too

634
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:35.400
old? No, I'm pretty sure
it says three. The thing is it

635
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.119
is a light viewing. But when
you think about it, all the things

636
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:44.000
this film sets up, so Dean
Stockwell as the nominal villain Lionel wanting to

637
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:49.239
be a music stom Lionel and Charlotte, will anything happen with them? Well,

638
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.159
everything it sets up that you think
is going to be a plot point,

639
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.039
it all comes to nothing because nuclear
wall which just comes and just ends

640
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.800
everything for them. And to me, that's like young and Stockwell just saying,

641
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:01.440
well, look, you may have
all these plans, you may have

642
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.800
all these dreams, you may have
all these hopes, but if we don't

643
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.079
do something about the nuclear weapons,
they could all come to nothing, because

644
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:13.599
one day when you're dick in about
the world could end. It's really dark,

645
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.199
but it's really breezy at the same
time, it's subversive like in that

646
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:21.480
way that I really like it because
it is it does have this like deceptive

647
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:24.800
tone of lightness. But then and
actually one thing I wanted to ask YouTube

648
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.679
out and see what you guys think
is like with that dream sequence though,

649
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.000
there's that whole section where they're with
a bunch of Native Americans and they're doing

650
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.760
like a ceremony and they're like burning
all of these old Indians, which at

651
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.920
the time I remember my first ye
I took that as being like a symbolic

652
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:44.480
thing of burning because when you think
of like when Indians think of like cigar

653
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:49.599
stores and you know, basically stuff
made by like white people for money,

654
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.800
Yeah, like you go to craft
fair. So I don't know, you

655
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:53.920
know, like something like that.
I took it like maybe this is like

656
00:47:54.320 --> 00:48:00.559
like symbolic of trying to sort of
rid that sort of color only all kind

657
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.440
of oppress or energy. But but
I could be kind to present it wrong.

658
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.960
I don't know what did you guys
think about that section? Like what

659
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.559
were your takeaways? The first time
I saw it, I thought easy rider

660
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:15.960
rides again, you honest, that
whole section, But I think there's definitely

661
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.599
a lot. I do really like
that section. But I think there's a

662
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.719
lot to what you were saying,
because the whole thing about how, you

663
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.320
know, the Native Americans are really
the only ones who are going to survive

664
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:28.000
this because they've got a space casino, so they would have been away from

665
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.559
the war, They've got the spaceship
flying around, they would have been away

666
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.239
from the war, they would been
away from the destruction. And I think

667
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:39.119
it's that slightly seventies hangover from the
hippie thing of back to the land,

668
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.480
back to you know, the native
beliefs and the way things used to be.

669
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.840
And I think Young was really big
into that, and that's what he

670
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:51.880
was pushing for as a move away
from this nuclear age that we were heading

671
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.840
towards. So yeah, I think
it's definitely a possibility. Well about you,

672
00:48:54.920 --> 00:49:00.519
Mike, It almost feels to me
like Neil Young making amend and being

673
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.639
like, hey, these are because
I don't know if you necessarily see wooden

674
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:08.440
Indians as being a symbol of oppression, but feels a little weird, especially

675
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:14.639
to talk about another version of Creepshow
Creepshow two, where the wooden Indian gets

676
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.440
revenge and whole mccanney where he's got
the long hair that's going to get him

677
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.320
paid and laid. It feels like
the wooden Indian is, you know,

678
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.119
it's getting its revenge on, you
know, the white man, and just

679
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:29.920
all of these creeps that are in
this town. And when the Indians just

680
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.039
all that's kind of it feels very
crass to me for some reason, just

681
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.960
like, what are you doing?
Why is it this, you know,

682
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.800
Native American person that you're using to
sell your goods that you put them outside

683
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:45.639
of here? And there are so
many wooden Indians in this movie. It

684
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.199
is wild. When you start looking
like, well there's one in the office.

685
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.119
Oh, actually there's two in the
office. Oh there's three in the

686
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.599
back of the service station. You
know, just they're everywhere. And so

687
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.360
when they actually show up in the
dream sequence, I'm like, oh,

688
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.480
okay, that's kind of cool.
And to see them being burned and everything,

689
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:04.960
I was like, all right.
If to me, it felt like,

690
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.039
okay, we're getting rid of this
past depression, and this feels like

691
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:15.280
Young is kind of trying to come
to some sort of agreement understanding with Native

692
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.960
Americans. It's also further than the
Wizard of Ours thing of course though,

693
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.639
because everyone from the film, including
the one Indians, show up in the

694
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.719
dream seat one speaks it is And
if you think about that dream sequence,

695
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:30.280
it even starts with a basically a
mini tornado thing going on when Lionel's struggling

696
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:35.159
towards the phone booth and everything's just
blowing past him. And I think it

697
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:40.760
shows something about how limited Lionel's dreams
really are that even in his wildest fantasies

698
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:45.119
have been a rock star, is
sexual depoetry, amounts to the milk bath

699
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.239
and his back in band. Are
these wooden Indians that he's had around in

700
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.400
the entire time. I think it's
just showing I think this world is all

701
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:58.639
a very small place. I mean, this is a place where people are

702
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.679
genuinely getting I did about a talent
contest and a nuclear power plant and that's

703
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.920
genuinely a talking point and on the
radio it's a very small, very insular

704
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.400
town, and you know, Lionel's
dreams are very small and very insulate.

705
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.960
As a result, there was something
I'm meant to ask actually going back,

706
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:17.199
and I don't know if this is
just a thing of you know, I'm

707
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:22.239
British and you guys are American.
The gas made by made by birds?

708
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.239
So is that a reference to something
that I'm not getting, not that I

709
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:30.159
know of. Um, yeah,
I didn't get it. Yeah, I

710
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.000
just yeah, it was whimsical,
and yeah, I found it interesting in

711
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.440
because there's there's a ton of bird
imagery in here. You've got the crow

712
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:45.360
that's going on that actually pays a
visit to to both Lionel and to Boogie

713
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.199
Boy. You've got the at one
point and I'm not sure if it's in

714
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.960
both dream sequences, but there's the
oil pump that is dressed like a bird.

715
00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:00.039
You've got the owl, and they've
got a whole who who conversation that

716
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:01.559
they're doing, and then they cut
to the owl, and the owl is

717
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:06.159
there constantly through this movie. So
I was like, Okay, I don't

718
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:07.920
know what's going on with the birds. And then you know you're talking about

719
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.880
the Indians. Then I'm also thinking
about Devo dress as cowboys. I'm like,

720
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.159
are we supposed to like pull all
this stuff together into something? But

721
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.880
yeah, bird gas, and you
know, one guy's talking about a literal

722
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.079
bird. I think it's Neil Young's
talking about the crow that's visiting him.

723
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:27.119
And then you've got Russ Tamblin out
there polishing the pumps and he's talking about

724
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.920
bird gas. So I don't know
if it was just an easy joke that

725
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.079
they wanted to go for or what
it was. I just thought they might

726
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.440
have been, you know, like
something back in the semties or something that

727
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:44.159
was an actual foom in America advertising, like an ecologically more friendly gas or

728
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.039
something like that, and they would
refering on that a little bit. But

729
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:51.679
I wasn't sure because that's a little
bit out of my cultural NAIs. No,

730
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.360
that does. Actually, I'm glad
you brought that up because I forgot,

731
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.639
like we have to mention that saying
rabougie boy drinks the gas and he's

732
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.280
like, I'm trying to a lot. He's like, oh, that's a

733
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:08.880
good casts birds. The only other
thing I can think of is there was

734
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.800
a band called Bobby Bird and the
Family Bird and they spelled it with the

735
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.599
B y r D. And they
had a song called Gasoline. That's the

736
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:22.039
only other thing I can think of. Damn, that's a deep cut.

737
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:27.079
Yeah, it's a bit cal Mike. I love that. Oh my god.

738
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.079
That was from seventy nine though,
So I don't know if that even

739
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:35.400
fits in our timeline. So I
don't we trying to pull together all the

740
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.400
various streights of a film that was
written as they went along. I mean,

741
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:45.000
there's five credited screenwriters for this film, and I watching it, it

742
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:46.559
feels like it should have been more. It feels like it should have been

743
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:51.199
every actor, every cast member,
some guys they met in a bar the

744
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:53.800
night before and a couple of passing
lumberjacks should have been credited with the script

745
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:58.599
on this because they don't know if
and there's always a thing with any kind

746
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:00.800
of criticism, if this is just
us projecting what we know of Young,

747
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:06.360
what we know was stockwell backwards onto
the film, or if this stuff was

748
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.760
there in their heads, if they
was planned, if it was planned for

749
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:14.679
it to be so anti plot in
a way. But it feels like it

750
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:19.320
must even amidst all the drugs,
Hicken and all the access that was going

751
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.719
on. And that said, it
feels like it was planned for it to

752
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.480
be this way. And I don't
know how many drugs were being consumed other

753
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:31.440
than by Dennis Hopper. I never
got the feeling that Neil Young was really

754
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:35.960
into the drug scene, you know, as opposed to his bandmates from c

755
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.239
N and why oh no, No, I don't think he was ever extremely

756
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:43.440
into it, but he was getting
high certainly, Yeah, yeah, And

757
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:47.360
I think everyone on that said was
getting high for deaf and apart from Devil

758
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:54.079
possibly who feel like Explorers dropped into
another world in this film. I believe

759
00:54:54.119 --> 00:55:00.280
they designed the costumes because I feel
like I remember Kassali and the ca Terry

760
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.599
Check on the music video did we're
talking about like how uncomfortable, but they

761
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:07.480
designed like the tubes going through the
nose and just he had this whole thing

762
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.199
about Devo constantly suffering for their art
because so much of their gear that they

763
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:14.400
would design, I mean they're making
it out of man made materials. So

764
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.679
and back then where I mean not
like things are much better with FDA or

765
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.400
whatever. It's worse now probably who
knows, but it wasn't. They got

766
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.000
a lot of rashes, got a
lot of you know, they did suffer.

767
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.119
But but what a great look.
Yeah, it does feel like they

768
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.480
but it kind of adds to it. I mean, this film should feel

769
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.519
like everybody. Listeners who haven't seen
it are probably gonna think this film is

770
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.239
gonna be a hot mess. It's
gonna be a vanity project, and I

771
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.480
would never use any of those descriptors
for it. Like, it's certainly not

772
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.519
a vanity project because I mean it's
not Neil Young beating his chest and being

773
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.679
like, look at me, I'm
brilliant. Like it's so collaborative, and

774
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.239
I mean he even used a fake
name for a director. I mean you'd

775
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.039
have to be like a Neil Young
fan to know that. So it's kind

776
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.400
of like an in joke. But
it's not really vanity. And it does

777
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.360
even though it's dreamy, yeah,
non linear in a way that this film

778
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:06.360
is, it doesn't feel messy.
It should by everything we're saying, it

779
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.800
should be almost unwatchable, right,
but it's totally not like it's if anything,

780
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:15.480
it's actually very rewatchable. Yeah.
I think the things that we if

781
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:20.239
you take get in isolation, you
know, so many plots, strands don't

782
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.480
go anywhere, lots of the performances
feel like they're in different films to each

783
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:27.599
other. All these things that are
going on, these are the reasons why

784
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:31.760
it works and reasons why it all
comes together. It's yeah, it's it's

785
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.480
it's a fascinating film because however much
you wouldn't pick it, and unless Young

786
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.400
actually gives the definitive word on it, we're never going to be sure.

787
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:44.280
Since you know, being Stockball has
sadly gone now, you can't really be

788
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.159
sure of anything in this film,
and that's part of the reason why it

789
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:51.719
works as well. So, oh, one other thing I want you need

790
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:58.079
to bring up the DJs the good
chorus when it switches to the female voice

791
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.440
at the end, is she meant
film space station? She's seeing the exact

792
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:06.400
same thing that he was saying at
the beginning of the movie, which was

793
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:09.039
odd that she's saying that the exact
same stuff. Yeah, but then her

794
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.840
last words over to you, I
can't remember the male EJ's name, she

795
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.280
says over to you, and then
she repeats his name again, like where

796
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:21.320
are you? So is she meant
to be on the spaceship this base casino?

797
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.280
That's a good question. Yeah,
I don't know, because it feels

798
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:29.960
like we wouldn't be able to get
their signal from space, but we are

799
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.440
seeing the train at that moment.
I think it was. It was something

800
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:37.159
that puzzled me a little bit.
So much love gone into this, even

801
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:42.239
though it was so ramshackle and there's
so much, and I would much rather

802
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:47.159
have this kind of mishmash of a
film of dragon and elements of all these

803
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.800
different things of people saying, well, this is what I'm passionate about,

804
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.039
because you feel like you get into
see inside someone's head. Then you feel

805
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:58.239
like you see in the world through
their eyes. Which it's not bloated,

806
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.760
it's not self indulgent. It's not
a vanity piece. And I can think

807
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:07.400
of comedy films that are that,
and this isn't it. This absolutely isn't

808
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.760
it. This is what art should
be doing, is taking you into someone's

809
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.920
worldview and it's dropping you there and
it's saying, make what you can out

810
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:17.880
of this. It's not explaining everything
to you. And I love that about

811
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.039
it. All right, let's go
ahead and take a break, and we're

812
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:25.159
going to play an interview with Charlotte
Stewart who plays Charlotte Goodnight and Human Highway,

813
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:30.920
and we'll be back with that right
after these brief messages. Hello,

814
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:34.960
this is Will, a writer of
three films plus a Christmas special, And

815
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.920
this is Kevin, a writer of
one and a bit films of three and

816
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:42.239
a bit episodes of TV. Okay, we're screenwriters by day podcasters by night

817
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:46.119
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00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:51.679
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819
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:58.360
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821
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:05.239
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822
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824
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please They say we are shop on gas

826
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:44.440
Ali and they're a good good order
and they are not enough go around God?

827
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:49.840
What will we do? We've heard
that whole story before, putting no

828
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.719
bad down, But I'm gonna filing
down more than dirt, just land and

829
00:59:53.920 --> 01:00:04.159
makes the ground. You said that
you're going to be eighty two this year.

830
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.039
You've been acting for what sixty years? Now? How old were you

831
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.719
when you first started getting into acting? I went to acting school when I

832
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:15.480
was seventeen, right out of high
school and I got my first job when

833
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:20.239
I was eighteen. It was on
The Loretty Young Show, Never the Loretti

834
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.920
Young Show, You're too young.
She was a big movie star back in

835
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:27.639
the day and she had a TV
show on Sunday night. And that was

836
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:31.199
my first paying part. The next
year, I want to say you had

837
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:37.159
you were like one of the three
main characters in Damaged Goods. No,

838
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:44.000
that's right, that's right. Actually
that was a very low, low budget

839
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:49.039
film. That's how I got my
agent. Actually it was I did Damage

840
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.599
Goods before I did the other one, So Damaged Goods was like the first

841
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.079
acting part I got paid for the
paid scale, but I got my agent,

842
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.559
so that was fine. And Damage
Prince was just a little love story.

843
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.920
But the way he paid for it
was it had to have an information

844
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.320
section in the middle where the young
man goes to see his doctor and he's

845
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:15.320
got he's been, he got DD. So there was an information insert in

846
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:16.960
the middle of the movie. He
got up from the bad girl, not

847
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.480
from me. No, no,
I wouldn't expect to get it from you.

848
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.119
There are a few roles that you
did where you weren't credited as Charlotte

849
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:30.960
Stewart you were Charlotte Considine. Yeah. I was married to Kim Considine and

850
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:35.199
I married him when I was twenty
four. It was just kind of a,

851
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.519
you know, an honorable thing to
do to take your husband's name.

852
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:43.239
You know, a lot of actresses
did it back in the day, so

853
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:45.400
I did it. But then the
marriage didn't last and I went back to

854
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:50.920
Stewart. I think I only did
one or two shows as Considine. I

855
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:54.119
think that was your name when You're
in Speedway. I think that was an

856
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:59.000
Elvis picture, right, could have
been Kim and I had just been married,

857
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.760
and Avis and Priscilla had just been
married, and I when I met

858
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:07.079
Elvis, I thought, oh,
I'm going to invite the mothers for dinner.

859
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.280
Have you ever heard of mollege that
he was living in her life?

860
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.840
I know, I just felt that, you know, we were somehow the

861
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:20.119
same, you know, mister God, I think I was so naive.

862
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:23.079
I have to ask you, how
did you get cast in a RaSE your

863
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:27.760
head? And how long was that
shoot for you? I got cast in

864
01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.360
a RaSE your head because this is
just before the Lance in the Prairie.

865
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:39.559
And my roommate during small was a
volunteer at the Film Institute in Beverly Hills,

866
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.559
and David Lynch was a student there
and he had just made a couple

867
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:49.800
of shorts as part of his schooling, and he was making movie called a

868
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.679
Rasor Head, and he was looking
for an actress to play Mary, and

869
01:02:53.519 --> 01:03:00.960
during said, my roommate's an actress. That's how I got it. We

870
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:06.079
invited David out for dinner, he
and his wife, and I was living

871
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.639
into Panga Canyon, which is kind
of a nice mountain area outside of LA

872
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:14.639
and they came for dinner and he
brought me the script and I didn't understand

873
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:20.920
one word of it. But of
course I always did student films that did

874
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:24.719
several never read anywhere, you know, But if they don't have professional actors,

875
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:29.000
how they're going to learn to direct? That was my feeling. So

876
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:30.960
I said, of course I'll do
it. I didn't know it's going to

877
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:35.920
take like two years to do it
on and off, but did it well

878
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:39.679
into when I was doing Little House
in Prairie quite often, and David Cholay

879
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:45.159
shot after midnight, so some of
these times, some of these nights were

880
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:47.639
a little precarious because I had to
be at work at six am at Paramount

881
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:53.639
for Miss beetle. But I always
did a student film and look he one

882
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:59.800
that you know, LA Film Festival
Award when it was released. Yeah,

883
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:03.679
he started his career. So that's
how I got into all the other shows

884
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:08.719
that he did, you know,
Twin Peaks, you know, whatever,

885
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.599
whatever David did, he tried to
include me. I always appreciate that about

886
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:15.199
him, is that you see those
same faces, and even that the people

887
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:19.280
behind the camera seemed to be the
same people a lot of times. Absolutely.

888
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:25.119
Yeah, he's very faithful and I
learned a lot by working with him.

889
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:29.719
You know, even though he was
a student filmmaker, I tried not

890
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:35.239
to judge him as an amateur because
how is that going to help him?

891
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:40.679
Was my thinking. You know,
I had to you know, followed whatever

892
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.880
he said as direct director, is
what I did, even though I didn't

893
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.199
understand it. It was his show
he directed, and I followed his direction.

894
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:51.280
And you know a lot of people
say, well, what were you

895
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:57.199
doing under the bed? You know
before I said, well, he told

896
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.679
me to pull and pull and pull
until he told me and let go.

897
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.760
So that's what I was doing into
the Then tell me how you got involved

898
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:06.840
with Human Highway. It's such an
interesting film. Before I did Little House

899
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:12.320
on the Prairie, I had a
clothing store in Los Angeles called the Liquid

900
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.360
Butterfly. You know, we were
all hitties back then, you know,

901
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:20.079
you know, it's the early seventies
and we were all flowered children and smoking

902
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:26.639
dope and all of that. And
my clothing store was in an office building

903
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:34.199
upstairs across from Lookout Management, and
Lookout Management managed Neil Young, Joni Mitchell,

904
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:40.039
Crosbie, Stokes, Nashing Young,
Jackson Brand, you know, everybody

905
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.679
that was super hip at the time. And because they were across the hall

906
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:46.679
for me, you know, they
were in my store a lot. And

907
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:51.599
I started dating the manager there,
Elliot Roberts, because I met Neil,

908
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:57.360
I met Neil Young and everybody else, and he wanted to do your film.

909
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:00.119
He was directing if he wrote and
was directing, and I was an

910
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:04.679
actress and knew back and so he
gave me the part one of the Leagues,

911
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:09.840
which is Charlotte, the waitress.
So it took us four weeks to

912
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:15.480
shoot, and one of my roommates
was the producer, and a lot of

913
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:19.119
other friends that I met in the
same building. The building where I had

914
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:23.760
my clothing stories called the I'll think
of it a minute and come back to

915
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:28.320
it. But it was owned by
this very weird lady who lived on the

916
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:30.840
property in a little house at the
end of the parking lot, or it

917
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:38.719
was called the Clear Thoughts Building,
and upstairs were all these producers, directors,

918
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:44.679
writers, editors. In fact,
part of Woodstock was edited there.

919
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.199
And so I met all these I
met all these new friends who were in

920
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:53.320
the movie business and rock and roll. So of course, you know wrote

921
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:58.320
apart from me in the movie I
think Charlotte the Waits. It was one

922
01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:01.199
of the most fun times I ever
had. So interesting to me that so

923
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:05.760
many of the people that were in
that end up then working with you in

924
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:12.440
Twin Peaks, I mean with Russ
Tamblin and Dean Stockwell and Dennis Hopper ended

925
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:15.880
up being in Blue Velvet. I
should suppose. I don't know how the

926
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:19.880
crossover happened. Quite frankly, it
just was coincidental. I guess. I

927
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:27.199
guess we were the hot people at
the time. I just have to laugh

928
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.880
at all that. You know,
we were all having such a good time,

929
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:33.320
the dope that was being smoked and
the romances that were going on.

930
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:39.280
It we were all really just having
a really good time. Well, tell

931
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:43.079
me what else do you remember about
making the movie. It was written as

932
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:45.679
we went along. In fact,
yeah, we would. We would get

933
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.840
there in the morning and get into
costume and makeup, and then we'd got

934
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:55.400
the set, which was the diner
basically most of the time, and Neil

935
01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:59.559
was directing who he was also playing
the lead, and she would say,

936
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:05.400
oh, k in this scene,
so and so the cook is banging on

937
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:11.719
banging his front banners, batchelon the
counter and the other waitress is getting upset.

938
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.440
So okay, let's go shoot.
So we would shoot the scene with

939
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:19.880
Demis Hopper and Sally Kirkland and me
I was playing Charlotte, the waitress.

940
01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:26.479
Then we would finish and Neil would
say okay, cut and then Jamie Field,

941
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:30.520
who is one of the producers,
would write it down everything we did.

942
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.079
So it was written after we did
it, in other words, and

943
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:35.840
then that night they would figure out
where to go from there, and the

944
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:42.159
next day we'd come in and they
say, okay, now Lionel switched mechanic

945
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.159
is going to come into you know. That's how we did it. We

946
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.840
improvised, and then it became a
script. Wow, had you ever done

947
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:53.079
anything like that before. Never,
I had never done anything like that.

948
01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:57.279
In back half the time when I
was singing, I just made it up,

949
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:02.399
walking along, you know, singing, and it was just and I'm

950
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:06.520
not a singer, which is the
funnier part, because my friends tell me,

951
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:10.960
don't please, don't sing, you
can't carry a tune. But apparently

952
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.279
Neil thought it was fine when I
saw moonglow and he whistled along with me.

953
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:19.079
It's crazy. How has done a
supper to work with on that one?

954
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:25.960
Crazy, absolutely out of his mind, out of his mind when we

955
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:29.920
were doing it. I mean,
Neil just went along with it and let

956
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:35.960
him play that character because there was
no controlling him. And later on Dennis

957
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:43.520
became a really responsible person and actor
that at that time in his life he

958
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:47.479
was like over the moon and out
of control, wacko. So Neil Young

959
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:51.319
just used that as part of his
character. You know. In fact,

960
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:57.720
he really did hurt Sally Kirkman.
He forget what he did. She had

961
01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.239
to go to the hospital because he
he could hit her with a knife or

962
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:04.159
something, and she had she had
to go to the hospital, and that

963
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:09.479
it was awful, but he was
in character and she wouldn't get out of

964
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:14.199
the way, and she just kept
complaining about him, and that's what happened.

965
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.800
He was out of control. They
didn't try to stab her, it

966
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.720
was just she she just wouldn't get
out of the way. So anyway,

967
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:28.199
she was a case too. I
was surprised at just how good of an

968
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:32.239
actor Neil Young was. I think
he was playing what he felt was the

969
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:39.359
true Neil Young, real goofy,
crazy, not crazy, but innocent.

970
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.800
Whether he played Lionel, I think
that's what he really really thought of himself.

971
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:48.439
You know, he was just was
there, and he was consistent.

972
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:53.880
He was the most consistent character in
the whole movie. He never broke character.

973
01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:59.279
He was always Lionel, Lionel.
Switch the bits of him and Russ

974
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.960
Hamblin going back and forth. They're
comedy gold. Oh yeah, but they

975
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:08.560
made that up as they went along. That has to be some pressure on

976
01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:11.680
you. I mean, I'm sure
you're used to improvisation, but to do

977
01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:15.199
an entire film like that, I
couldn't believe it. I was so I

978
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:20.439
was so amazed that I got to
do it because I was like, why

979
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:26.079
he you know, why why did
he want? In all the shows that

980
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:29.760
I've done all the TV shows and
stuff. I never got to play a

981
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:32.640
sexy part. I always had to
play the straight girl, you know,

982
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:38.760
the good girl. Always everything you
see me in or basically everything you see

983
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:43.640
me in. But he let me
go for my Maryland Monroe side. I

984
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:48.800
got in my mind. I was
Marilyn Monroe sexy, and I could say,

985
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:54.640
that's what happened, you know,
when you let somebody go. I

986
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:57.680
think if I was in any other
place, but see, I knew everybody.

987
01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:01.319
They were all my friends, and
he was so complimentary that I just

988
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:05.880
was. I was comfortable, you
know, I was really comfortable. But

989
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:12.159
everybody's consistent in their part. They
were all you know, they were not

990
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:17.079
just musicians or you know GIVO.
They were the nuclear garbage collectors. Well

991
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:21.279
how crazy does that make you if
all you're doing all day it is collecting

992
01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:28.439
nuclear waste. That's why they glowed. They glowed all the time. And

993
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.039
I think, you know what that
came from? All the stuff in the

994
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:34.960
middle where Lionel is on tour,
you know, as a rock and roll

995
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:39.720
star, and div I was there. That was shot two years before.

996
01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:45.039
That was shot for real as a
documentary on Neil Young being on tour and

997
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.399
never sold it. So what he
did was he wrote a movie around it

998
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:53.720
and made Lionel Switch auto mechanic who
dreamt of being a movie rock and roll

999
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:57.399
star. That was a dream member
who gets hit in the head with a

1000
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:01.439
wrench under the car and dreams the
whole tour. But they had already shot

1001
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:05.039
that years before. I know,
you're a working actress, so you're probably

1002
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.159
you know, once you're done with
that, you're on to the next thing.

1003
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:12.199
But do you remember anything about the
movie being released or not being released?

1004
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.760
It was weird because I mean,
we had a big release in a

1005
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.920
theater. I think it was a
big theater on Hollywood Boulevard. We had

1006
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:25.279
a big opening and stuff. He
never really got the back end to promote

1007
01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:28.880
it. I don't know. We
were kind of laughed at the same way

1008
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:32.159
when Little House when the Prairie started. When Michael Landon started Little House from

1009
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:38.239
the Prairie, we were laughed at
in Hollywood, however, and PC was

1010
01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:44.359
totally behind him because he was Michael
Landon. But nobody gave us any credit

1011
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:48.600
whatsoever. And can you imagine next
year's our dis fiest anniversary of being on

1012
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:54.760
the air. Little House on the
prairie bailey all over the world. I

1013
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:59.840
remember being huge, and I remember
missus Beadle or Miss Beatle. I should

1014
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:02.359
say you eventually got married on the
show, right, I did. I

1015
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:06.279
married the pig farmer and we had
a baby, and we moved out of

1016
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:10.479
Walmut grow and the region. We
had to move out of Walmut Grove because

1017
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:14.560
they had to bring in and this
is true. Another school teacher who was

1018
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:20.359
we call Laura Ingels married al Manzo
Wilder to become law English Wilder. Well,

1019
01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:25.840
they had to bring al Manzo into
the story, so his sister moved

1020
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:29.760
to town and became a teacher.
So they that was planned four years in

1021
01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:33.319
advance, because they they told me
when I got to part it was only

1022
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:39.159
for four years because Miss Beetle would
leave Dan and another teacher would come in

1023
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:43.359
with al Manzo her brother. And
that was part of the true story.

1024
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:46.520
So everybody said, why did you
leave? I said that was came to

1025
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:56.760
leave. Eventually you would write your
memoir Beck And what was that twenty sixteen?

1026
01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.000
Why then, why that particular time
to write that. I never wanted

1027
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:03.680
to write it. I never had
a clue. What happened? Was I

1028
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:09.000
retired in nineteen sixty five and I
moved to Napa, where I lived now,

1029
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:14.199
and because I was kind of known
in the entertainment industry, somebody asked

1030
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:20.399
me if I would be in the
local Christmas pageant as the mother, and

1031
01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:25.439
you know, that's kind of a
ticket selling demmick that they were looking for,

1032
01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:30.600
so the parents in what's it called? I can remember it's the classic

1033
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:35.760
Christmas story and ballet that I had
a lot of downtime because I was only

1034
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:41.199
in two scenes, but I had
to hang out the rehearsal forever. And

1035
01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:45.199
there was somebody else that had to
hang out because his children were in the

1036
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:49.920
musical. And so his name was
Andy Dnsky. He was a local newspaperman

1037
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:54.159
here in Napa. So he and
I used to sit on the poor of

1038
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:58.199
the entry waiting for the rehearsal to
be over, and we're just sitting talk

1039
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.000
and I would tell them stories.
I'm telling the stories because we had loged

1040
01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:04.039
down time. So he kept saying, you should write a book, and

1041
01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:08.760
I would do fack damn right,
write a book. I barely got out

1042
01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:10.520
of high school. He said,
no, no, no, no,

1043
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:13.600
honestly, you should write a book. You've got a lot of good stories.

1044
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:17.000
Andy. Really, he said,
Okay, don't write a book,

1045
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:20.920
tell me some stories. So that's
what they did. Every week. We

1046
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:26.319
would every other week almost two years. We met it start up, and

1047
01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:29.720
we sat for about an hour and
I would tell him a story and he

1048
01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.600
would write it down, and then
he would bring back the written you know,

1049
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:38.199
the typed up story, and I
give it to me and I would

1050
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:42.520
correct at a sound owner or whatever
and tell him another story. So that's

1051
01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:45.640
how a little house in Hollywood Hills
became a reality. Just fought it and

1052
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:50.000
fought it and fought it, and
he finally got a publisher about a holy

1053
01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:57.720
shit, and it's still sun.
It is still funny. In fact,

1054
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:00.279
you want to your funny story.
I just my husband just bought me a

1055
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:05.720
new iPad. It's called Star or
something, because I'm going to be going

1056
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:10.560
on a lot of trips. I've
got a lot of ship and not shows

1057
01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:15.159
to film, but handy then coming
up, and I travel all over the

1058
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:18.319
country and I'm so bored on the
plane that I look, I was looking

1059
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:23.000
for something. So he bought me
this iPad and it opens up. It

1060
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:28.760
has all these features, including audiobooks. Oh gosh, audio books I click

1061
01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:33.840
on it and guess what audio books
on my iPad? My book. I

1062
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:39.840
couldn't believe it. My cut just
on here because my name, because it's

1063
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:43.600
his mind. Couldn't figure it out. But that's probably why it happened.

1064
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:46.159
But the book, the audiobook,
and my book is still selling. I

1065
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:50.960
still get royalties selling quite a bit. I may say, when you go

1066
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:55.880
to these conventions, are people there
for you? For Little House, for

1067
01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.920
the Twin Peaks stuff or Highway to
Heaven? I mean, you've been in

1068
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:03.079
so many thing Tremor. Most of
the events are for Little House in the

1069
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:09.640
Prairie, and then mostly in the
Midwest. I go to Missouri and Minnesota

1070
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:15.720
and Alabama and Iowa a lot.
However, in March, I'm heading to

1071
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:19.079
two sun, Arizona to do what
they call a West Death and it's for

1072
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:24.079
all the Western TV shows, you
know, gun Smoke, Bonanza, all

1073
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:27.720
of those that I did. So
I'm going for that. But then right

1074
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:33.479
afterward I'm heading to Missouri to do
a Little House event and then Michael Gross.

1075
01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:39.279
Do you know who Michael Gross is
from Tremors plus Family Ties? Yeah,

1076
01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.479
yes, exactly. Michael called me
a couple of days ago and said

1077
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:46.479
Charlotte. We're having a Tremor's Fastball
and I want you to you know,

1078
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:48.920
blah blah. And I said,
Michael, when is it? He told

1079
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:53.079
me, and I said, I
can't go. I just said what he

1080
01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:56.359
said. No, they're running all
the Tremors movies and you're in two of

1081
01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.680
them, so they're so sorry.
I can't go. I'm going to be

1082
01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:03.439
in you saw in Arizona. Shit, who would have thought at eighty two

1083
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:10.399
there were the demands for my definite
my attention. I have to ask you,

1084
01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:15.079
how was it returning back to being
Betty Briggs all those years later for

1085
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:17.479
the third season in Twin Peaks.
Oh, it was wonderful. It was

1086
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:23.800
like coming home, you know.
I was in the last the last show.

1087
01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:27.920
I only had one scene and that
and that was okay. That was

1088
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:33.079
okay because it was a plot line
and David was, you know, sweet

1089
01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:39.359
enough to find the seattle to do
that that one scene. It was wonderful

1090
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:43.079
because it was on my friends,
you know that I worked with, you

1091
01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.239
know, a year and a half
or two years and Twin Peaks. It

1092
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:49.520
was wonderful. I was drilled and
I was sad because the week I was

1093
01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:54.920
shooting was the week that Catherine Coulton
died, and we were supposed to have

1094
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:59.199
we were supposed to have lunch for
dinner or something because I was arriving on

1095
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:03.199
a Wednesday working Thursday. She was
arriving Thursday working Friday. And when I

1096
01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.159
got there, I got I was
in the cotton the wardrobe, and I

1097
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:10.399
said, have you heard from you
know, from Catherine. They said,

1098
01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:15.119
oh, didn't she hear She can't
come. She's very ill. And said

1099
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:18.560
what this book had lunch tomorrow?
Said no, no, no, David

1100
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:25.800
is going to her. Just filmed
her scene. She was dying as she

1101
01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:30.439
filmed that. She literally died a
couple of days later. She pulled her

1102
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:35.039
step together to do that scene.
And that is Catherine Coulson. That is

1103
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:41.479
Catherine Coulson. It was amazing,
It was amazing, shocking. As a

1104
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:45.039
fan, it was so sad.
At the end of every episode, he

1105
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:50.159
would have a you in memory of
and it was their last appearance, and

1106
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:55.039
you're just when her name came up, I almost lost it. If I

1107
01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:59.880
didn't lose it, oh, I
know, I've got some wonderful memory,

1108
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:03.039
you know. I of course I
met Catherine Dockland and Jack and I were

1109
01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:08.239
doing it is your head. And
you know because she was there every day.

1110
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:12.760
She was a camera assistant and she
did Jeff's hair and we became we

1111
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.800
became really good friends. Even after
days split up, they you know,

1112
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.479
she and I were good friends.
It was great to be working to work

1113
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:25.000
with her on Twin Peaks and everything
they got to do together. I miss

1114
01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:28.239
her. She's just one of the
most glorious women I never known in my

1115
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:30.119
life. Well, it was very
nice to have that kind of tie up

1116
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:35.560
for in Ashbrook and his character and
your character, with that kind of message

1117
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:40.720
from the major. It was,
wasn't it so other than going to conventions?

1118
01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:43.800
What's kipping you busy these days?
Or is that enough? Well?

1119
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:50.199
What I do is I'm at a
cancer survivor and I raised money for a

1120
01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:57.880
cancer program in Napa where I lived, and I make took bags with pictures

1121
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:02.199
from little house on the prairie.
So I spend my days sewing and shipping

1122
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.880
out. I have five bags ready
to ship this moment on my table here,

1123
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:11.239
ready to go out tomorrow to the
post office. I put them on

1124
01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:15.000
Facebook and people write to me and
tell me what character they want, and

1125
01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:19.239
I make the bag and ship them
out and I give a percentage to the

1126
01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:24.159
cancer program here now. So that's
what I sew every day. I sew

1127
01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:30.039
every day. I just shipped twenty
bags to Illinois for my up and coming

1128
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:33.640
visit back there, and I've got
thirty ready to go to two sons.

1129
01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:38.279
So yeah, that's what I do. I sew every day. Thank you

1130
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:41.680
so much for your time. I
really appreciate this. Okay. I look

1131
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:55.079
forward to hearing seeing whatever you're doing
with this. On the Misty Mount,

1132
01:22:57.159 --> 01:23:09.760
I got the Human Highway. Jake
my head, refreshing fountain, chake my

1133
01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:21.359
eyes from what they've seen, Jake
my head and changed my mind. How

1134
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:30.239
good? All right, we are
back and we were talking about Human Highway

1135
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:34.199
and you were talking about that love
and affection that brought this movie to life.

1136
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:40.600
And obviously Neil Young still must really
like this movie because of the way

1137
01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:44.319
that he poured so much into the
Director's cut. You know, the version

1138
01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:47.319
we've been talking about mostly in the
first half of the show was about the

1139
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:53.720
director's cut. The one that came
out they was twenty sixteen, and before

1140
01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:58.399
that was a VHS version that was
released in ninety five, and I think

1141
01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:02.880
that's the same version that played theatrically
whenever this played maybe eighty two. I

1142
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:06.079
need to see if I can find
ads for this in the paper or anything,

1143
01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:11.359
because I'm curious what kind of release
it got. He went back and

1144
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:17.680
he tweaked a lot of stuff to
see that original VHS version versus the DVD

1145
01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:23.239
slash Blu Ray version. There's a
lot of little differences. Some of them

1146
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:26.319
are pretty darn subtle. But then
there are other times where you're just like,

1147
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:30.399
oh, the editing is so different
in this whole thing, Like we

1148
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:34.880
really stay with Devo for a long
time in that director's cut, whereas their

1149
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:41.720
performance of Troubled Man is really chopped
up in the original version of this,

1150
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.119
the VHS version. So it's kind
of interesting just to see that, just

1151
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:48.680
to see that beginning part of it. But then, you know, you

1152
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:53.600
mentioned Darren the whole thing of the
End of the World, what is it

1153
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:58.880
Skeeter Davis tune that's being sung.
There's a lot of smaller differences in here.

1154
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.399
It's that's the one that puzzles me
most. In the original cut,

1155
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:05.760
that scene where her sitting there,
Sally Cookland sitting there crying and listening to

1156
01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:12.680
the End of the World comes after
she's been fired in a spectacularly petty moved

1157
01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.199
by Dean Stockhol because he's not intended
on paying or anyway, he didn't have

1158
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:19.520
to fire her at that point.
But in the other version the directors cut

1159
01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:25.279
they moved that to earlier in the
film, and I'm guessing that that was

1160
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:29.600
because they wanted to show a sense
of the sadness taken the place since old

1161
01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:31.119
Otto would die. It's the only
reason I can think of to do that

1162
01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:36.079
particular art it. The DeVos section
is from why if my Memory's right the

1163
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:41.479
VHS they cut out a line of
dialogue because there's a whole thing where they

1164
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.800
talked to Alan Myers, who's their
amazing drubber I said, they're like,

1165
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:46.960
hey, you know, they're about
Linear Valley. They're like, hey,

1166
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:51.000
Al, don't you got a little
China doll down Dana Linear Valley? Yeah?

1167
01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:54.880
And he's like, yeah, her
dad hates fine guts. He's some

1168
01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:57.960
kind of Tai chea. I think
Mark brother bosays, why don't we give

1169
01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:01.319
him a barrel bath? And which
is I was like, I missed it

1170
01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:06.000
so much. I love that that
little little interaction and Alan Myers in real

1171
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:12.560
life was a legit Master Taiche well
a little in Jack there when there's that

1172
01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:16.319
whole like it begins with Boogie Boy, it begins after the apocalypse, and

1173
01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:20.880
it begins with him talking like the
radio DJs aren't there at all, and

1174
01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:27.079
then we kind of, I guess
we're going back in time to more of

1175
01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:30.079
the beginning of the story, because
it really like the stuff with Boogie Boy

1176
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.840
that at the beginning of this VHS
version was at the end of the DVD

1177
01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:38.720
version. So it's really I could
see where this VHS version would be even

1178
01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:42.039
more confusing because you're like, wait
a second, is the world over and

1179
01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.000
are we going back in time to
see how it ended? Or So that's

1180
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:49.960
what my assumption is. And yeah, you're even talking about like the stuff

1181
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:55.079
that I mentioned earlier about the radioactivity, and you know you get it from

1182
01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:59.479
radiators. Now you get it from
radios. There's a really hard edit while

1183
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:03.159
they are hawking where they just boom
cut right back to devo and you miss

1184
01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:06.039
the whole thing about the radios.
And I don't even know if you get

1185
01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:10.319
all the jokes about the radiators.
At some point it's just like, Okay,

1186
01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:13.840
that was really strange, and you
can hear it in the audio too.

1187
01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:15.479
You can hear like a little click
there because I was watching it with

1188
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:19.359
headphones on. I'm like, well, that was very odd. I'm not

1189
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:25.319
sure why we did that, But
I think the biggest part of this is

1190
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:29.960
the biggest difference is that dream sequence. I think it starts a lot earlier

1191
01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:33.640
and it goes for a lot longer, and you get more stuff as far

1192
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:40.279
as I think you see the Milkman
in the dream sequence. You see much

1193
01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:45.960
more of Cracker Slash Dennis Hopper in
that dream sequence as well. And then

1194
01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:53.600
he adds this really awful filter thing
to it to make it very tough to

1195
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:58.319
even see what's going on sometimes.
And I'm so glad he got rid of

1196
01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:02.319
that, because that just capt writing
weird visual effects, weird visual effects,

1197
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:05.039
and I'm just like this, this
is awful. Just get rid of all

1198
01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:08.800
of this stuff. And I'm so
glad that he did, because now it's

1199
01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:11.319
like, oh, I can actually
see this, and I wish I could

1200
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:15.239
see it in full without that weird
special effect, because like I said,

1201
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.520
he chops down. That's like here's
a little section of this, here's a

1202
01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:20.520
little section of that. You know, you get a little bit of the

1203
01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:27.079
milk bath. But then poor Darren's
watching that full milk bath with the waitress

1204
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:30.039
drinking the milk out of the milk
bath. I'm sure that must have been

1205
01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:33.800
tough for you, so I'm sorry
about that. He seems to have learned

1206
01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:38.600
the art of atton since, you
know, since the original cut to this

1207
01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:43.600
one, because this film flows so
much bad as let's shoppy, and I

1208
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.520
think that the dream sequence could need
it being cut down, and I think

1209
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:50.399
if focuses now on what it needs
to focus on, which is my my,

1210
01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:54.800
hey, hey, on the old
section of the Native Americans, the

1211
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:58.560
stuff with him on stage and the
two would not go well. You know,

1212
01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:01.079
I'm not common with his knucking wealth
and is going well, but all

1213
01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:04.159
of that you don't really need in
the film. Well. It was really

1214
01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:11.079
weird too, because Jimmy McDonogh wrote
a biography of Neil Young. I think

1215
01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:15.439
it's just called Shaky, and he's
describing all of this stuff in the dream

1216
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:17.880
sequence and I'm just like, I
don't remember that. I don't remember this

1217
01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:20.880
either, and I'm like, is
he talking about behind the scenes things?

1218
01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:25.479
And then I finally watched the VHS
version, I was like, oh,

1219
01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:29.199
okay, now this makes a lot
more sense. I was like, Jimmy,

1220
01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:32.800
what were you talking about it?
He wasn't high on airplane glue there

1221
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:36.720
was. He was actually referencing I
do. I do agree that editing and

1222
01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:43.920
the director's cut so much better and
that that effect. And I'm usually very

1223
01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:46.680
pro like weird opticals, but that
effects. I mean, you would talk

1224
01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:51.119
about somewhere now's welcome, Yeah,
because that sequence is longer and so you

1225
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:58.239
get more of that smeary it just
yeah, that was it was the choice,

1226
01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:01.479
and I'm glad he unchos for the
director's cut, But it would be

1227
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:05.439
cool to have like like a different
composite. You say this about other films,

1228
01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:10.239
but in this instance, like the
filmmaker owns it and he's still with

1229
01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:12.520
us, I feel like, well, maybe that would be cool. I'm

1230
01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:15.319
sure there are a number of like
boutique labels that were like, oh my

1231
01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:17.760
god, we get to release something
with Neil Young. I'm surprised there isn't

1232
01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:23.479
a fun edit at least just put
them together. Yeah. God, there

1233
01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:27.600
are films way more obscure. They
have like composite cuts that Mike and I

1234
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:32.199
have actually discussed on previous episodes.
But and Mike found him because you are

1235
01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:36.960
the true detective, the film detective
here. Plenty of people don't know about

1236
01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:41.479
this movie, but they certainly know
who Neil Young is. I'm just amazed

1237
01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:45.319
how obscure this film still is,
because when I first discovered it, it

1238
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:49.159
was from the review and I was
just like, but I'd just been through

1239
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:54.199
a massive nineteen seventies Neil Young face
and I'd never heard of this film.

1240
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:57.960
And I'd been a fan of Dean
Stockwell since I was a kid, thanks

1241
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:00.319
to Quantum Leap. You know,
I was like ten or eleven when they

1242
01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:04.640
started so, and then obviously my
teen's onto Blue Velvet and films like that,

1243
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:09.079
and I was like, Neil Young
and Dean Stockwell made a film together?

1244
01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:13.560
Why have I never heard of this
before? And even now you mentioned

1245
01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:15.920
it to people, and oh,
what's that but Neil Young, Devo,

1246
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:20.279
Dean Stockwell, Dennis Hoff. But
you think it would have multiple audiences built

1247
01:31:20.319 --> 01:31:25.079
in If anybody listening this hopper as
a fry cook feeding a raccoon, I

1248
01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:28.840
mean, if that doesn't sell you, and he's even a little sleazy.

1249
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.119
I can't remember if it's in the
because at this point, because we're talking

1250
01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:35.439
about both cuts, and I know
for sure it's the VHS cut when Charlotte's

1251
01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:39.680
talking about she's going to be in
the Talent Show and she's excited, and

1252
01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:43.119
then at the end, right before
they hard cut to something else, he's

1253
01:31:43.119 --> 01:31:46.439
like, are you gonna be naked? And I feel like I've worked with

1254
01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:51.319
that fry cook. I'm pretty sure
like that is so on point. We'll

1255
01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:56.159
also running thing in the director's cut, isn't it, because even over the

1256
01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:59.600
beginning when people are talking about it, they saying that Charlotte, that girl

1257
01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:03.399
from Auto's DNA, she's going to
get a close off. It said a

1258
01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:05.880
couple of times in the run up, but I think it's only the one

1259
01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:11.279
time in the original cut. I
think it's just in that Dennis Hopper line

1260
01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:15.319
that they last mentioned, but in
the directors it's dropped in everywhere. Oh,

1261
01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:18.640
it was refreshing as well. See
Charlotte Stewart, you know, pushing

1262
01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:24.319
forty by that point, playing the
sexy role, which is unusual in Hollywood,

1263
01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:28.119
playing the love interest, playing the
sexy role. It's a bit of

1264
01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:31.880
a change for what you'd expect from
Hollywood in the early eighties. You'd expect

1265
01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:35.439
it to be in a twenty Yeah. I love that all of the actresses

1266
01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:39.640
seem to be of a certain age
or older, and it's just like,

1267
01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:43.840
yeah, that's great, you know, and especially these three waitresses that are

1268
01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:47.840
working in this. There's barely anybody
that comes to this other than of other

1269
01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:53.720
than the chic and his harem that
show up, which is very unusual.

1270
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:58.199
But you know, you've got like
Dennis Hopper and that really bad wig coming

1271
01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:02.000
through and picking up that very angry
woman who had her car worked on by

1272
01:33:02.119 --> 01:33:05.199
Lionel. But you don't get a
whole lot of other people coming through,

1273
01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:09.000
and so they feel much more like, yeah, it feels like Alice,

1274
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:13.479
you know, you get like the
older type waitresses rather than these young girls

1275
01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:15.279
that are just like, I'm gonna
be here for you know, two weeks

1276
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:19.079
and then move on to stardom or
something. It's like, everybody feels very

1277
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:23.840
grounded. What was the point of
Heaven Hoppa come into it a second time

1278
01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:27.319
other than just to do the double
in thing that they do with so many

1279
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:31.239
roles in this because obviously Mother plays
two roles, Hoppa's playing two roles,

1280
01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:35.960
Young plays two roles. Stockwell even
plays two roles because he's playing old on

1281
01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:42.119
young auto. So this again another
link to lynch Oulder double the actors and

1282
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:45.199
characters going on. Yeah, I'm
not sure why they're doubling up everybody,

1283
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:48.079
but I was just like, okay, that's the thing, if you want

1284
01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:51.039
to do it. It feels like
somebody said, well, Neil gets to

1285
01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:55.399
play two roles, how about I
get to play two roles. It seems

1286
01:33:55.439 --> 01:34:01.000
to exist mainly to give Dean Stockwell
that little grouchesque lyne to the woman as

1287
01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:03.760
he's pushing in the car. Oh, he knows he wants to get there.

1288
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:05.880
You know how, you know how
to get there? Why don't you

1289
01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:10.920
get lost together? And it's very
much a grout show kind of lying.

1290
01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:15.560
And I genuinely believe the Stockwell is
playing it that way. He's under playing

1291
01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:17.760
it for to have the whole comedy
feel. And I love it. I

1292
01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:23.359
could I could talk about Tean Stockwell
day. I think he's amazing, amazing

1293
01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:28.600
actor. And I love the eyebrows. He's got some like crazy ass they're

1294
01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:33.560
almost like old man brows young otto
because they're like combed upwards. And he's

1295
01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:39.640
yeah, now, Dean Stockwell's gift
and everything and his like green like He's

1296
01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:43.479
dressed up like totally like money in
a way, because he's got this very

1297
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:47.640
late green to and he but he
looks amazing at it like anybody else would

1298
01:34:47.680 --> 01:34:53.640
just be like a total used car
salesman nightmare. He looks so devilish,

1299
01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:58.000
so demonic. And it's that one
scene way he hands iiring the new rules,

1300
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:00.880
and the camera just close to close
up on his face and he just

1301
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:04.600
has this really devilish little expression to
his face. I love it so much.

1302
01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:09.520
You know what stuff to find these
days too? Is the actual soundtrack

1303
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:14.119
for this. I've been looking everywhere
for just you know, the soundtrack.

1304
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:16.279
I guess I can go to discogs
and buy it, but I was just

1305
01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:21.119
looking to download some of these songs. Nope, not available. And then

1306
01:35:21.239 --> 01:35:25.840
even with worried man, I had
to go to like an obscure you know,

1307
01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:29.319
Devo release type thing. You know, of course there's stuff is a

1308
01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:32.000
lot easier to find, but just
to track down the one song, I

1309
01:35:32.119 --> 01:35:34.479
was like, Wow, this is
taking a lot more than I thought it

1310
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:39.039
would. I was actually really pleased
to see that in the dropbox because I've

1311
01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:44.000
been looking for everywhere unsuccessfully. Yeah, they put it out on the Complete

1312
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:46.319
Truth about Devolution, I think,
oh no, that's the music video,

1313
01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:50.479
but I can't remember where the actual
song. They ended up releasing it on

1314
01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:55.079
some sort of like ridlease collection.
God, because they've done a number of

1315
01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:59.279
though see even I'm like, oh
God, because there's like hardcore hardcore Devo

1316
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:03.359
oneted too and other. But yeah, but that's not a complaint any any

1317
01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:09.600
Divo that we can get as good
Divo pioneers who got scalped disc one?

1318
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:15.239
Oh nice, right, yeah?
As opposed to another album I found yesterday

1319
01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:18.319
called when Pigs Fly Songs you Never
thought you would hear, where Diva does

1320
01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:24.079
a cover of Ohio, the Neil
Young song, which again another another great

1321
01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:28.159
connector not just because that song,
but I mean Kassali. Yeah. I

1322
01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:31.279
read an interview with Jerry online today
prepping for this where I mean he basically

1323
01:36:31.319 --> 01:36:35.159
said, for him, the conception
of Devo started with that event. Yeah,

1324
01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:39.039
that's right. He said something like
that is it. We give up

1325
01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:41.840
on being hit beies and we dropped
out of the peace stuff then, didn't

1326
01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:45.079
he And that's why they became about
Devolution instead. I wonder if there's a

1327
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:49.479
cover of a Divo cover of Revolution
Blues anyway, I'd like to hear that.

1328
01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:55.880
I did know Odd Devo Live,
which is got some very rare live

1329
01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:00.359
stuff from their early from real early
era. Do you hear them do a

1330
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:04.479
song called Beulah, which I'm not
saying I'm not to say that again somebody

1331
01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:08.479
might have been a pivot in the
band. But on the intro they say

1332
01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:13.399
this is from Jerry and the Pacemakers. I don't know, maybe it was,

1333
01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:16.359
but I do recommend seeking that out. But but actually go back to

1334
01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:19.600
the movie. What do you guys
think the Human Highway of the title is

1335
01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:25.600
referring to. That's a good question
for me. It's that these people are

1336
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:28.920
stuck in one place and it's all
the people that are kind of coming through

1337
01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:32.119
their lives, that it's the road
outside of the gas station, that that's

1338
01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:35.119
the human Highway. But you come
up with something better, I'm going to

1339
01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:40.079
buy it. Well, it was
the Neil Young song Human Highway, which

1340
01:37:40.199 --> 01:37:45.840
was really about the way society can
break individuality, wasn't it. And you

1341
01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:49.960
can lose yourself on the Human Highway. And yes, these people are all

1342
01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:55.479
kind of lost because they're not going
anywhere, they're not really doing anything with

1343
01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:59.319
their lives. The biggest dream other
than you know, Lionel stream of being

1344
01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:03.760
a rock star, ish Charlotte's stream
of just winning a talent contest. That's

1345
01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:08.520
the most to seem fake and hope
for so I guess if he took it

1346
01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.960
from this from his own song,
like all these captors are lost on the

1347
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:15.319
Human Highway. Really, I'm going
with Darren. I'm going with Darren.

1348
01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:17.880
I'm with you, Mike. I'm
like, I'll buy Darren's for Neil Young.

1349
01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:23.560
It's just the wordplay too, just
the phrase human Highway just automatically just

1350
01:38:24.039 --> 01:38:29.760
grabs you. Didn't either of you
watch Greendale is two thousand and three film.

1351
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:31.800
I have not. I've been curious
about it because I didn't even know

1352
01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:38.479
about it till when I was researching
Human Highway a while back for Culture Cast.

1353
01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:41.600
Because yes, I'm on that,
that's how much I love this.

1354
01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:45.520
Everybody talk about it. But but
yeah I saw that. I was like,

1355
01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:46.640
Wow, the young Maid. I
don't know the movie. It looks

1356
01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:51.760
vastly different. It's filmed more like
well, basically it looks like hold home

1357
01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:56.079
videos for a lot of the film, and it's about the small town.

1358
01:38:56.119 --> 01:39:00.520
And the album Greendale was songs about
the people and familing this whole town.

1359
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:03.359
And he's basically got a cast of
act as miment to his songs throughout the

1360
01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:08.479
entire thing. It's a full blown
musical, really, but everything's done in

1361
01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:12.680
mine and everything's low key. It's
nothing like Human Highway. There's none of

1362
01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:16.840
the bright colors. It's very mute
and very dull. It's very about environmentalism

1363
01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:21.319
again though, so that kind of
link is going through both of his films.

1364
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:26.319
And then he also directed Rust Number
Sleeps. Is that right? Or

1365
01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:31.039
Rust Rust Live? I think he
directed some of his the live videos.

1366
01:39:31.159 --> 01:39:38.319
Yeah. Yeah, Human Highway came
out with a box set of Rust Number

1367
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:42.359
Sleeps and Live Rust, and then
the movie as well. I don't know

1368
01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:45.119
if it was kind of hidden amongst
the things, kind of like the Kiss

1369
01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:50.359
meets The Phantom of the Park had
like yeah, and it has oh you

1370
01:39:50.479 --> 01:39:54.680
know, I know there, oh
yeah, but it had like hidden in

1371
01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:58.880
there and that it was the like
European version. It wasn't the TV version

1372
01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:01.560
that we all grew up with.
So cut out some of the cartooning music.

1373
01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:05.600
Come on. The music's way better
because I actually use kiss music.

1374
01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:11.880
I'm sort of torn though, because
I love like i'd athletes see Anthony Zerbe

1375
01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:15.880
as average ever in walking to like
Mister Make Believe off the Gene Sevens solo

1376
01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:20.800
album. But but they cut out
some of Ace's great dialogue, which was

1377
01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:26.600
total bullshit, like we don't get
oh my god, oh Beethoven's Fifth you

1378
01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:29.439
know, I mean, come on, act like he's doing the act thing.

1379
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:32.399
I just cut God. I love
that movie for completely different reasons,

1380
01:40:32.600 --> 01:40:36.520
Like there are some films you love
and you could say recommended people, like

1381
01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:40.319
this is a really great movie.
Human Highway is one of those, Like,

1382
01:40:40.399 --> 01:40:42.800
no, this is a great movie
and it has a lot to offer,

1383
01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:46.920
and there's some beautiful like skill envision
going on in Heart. And then

1384
01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:53.159
there's Kiss meis the Fantom, which
has very little of any but I love

1385
01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:56.680
it. I love it. You
know it's I mean, come on,

1386
01:40:56.720 --> 01:41:00.800
Anthony Zerbe as Abner Devereaux fighting kiss. But yeah, it's off the I

1387
01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:05.279
believe it's off kiss Ology Volume two, right. I don't even know it's

1388
01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:09.760
listed on the back of the box. I mean it is so hidden in

1389
01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:13.199
there that it's like, oh,
what does this thing? It's almost like

1390
01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:15.800
an Easter egg on the disc.
Oh, I found it all right,

1391
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.640
guys, let's go ahead and take
another break and play a preview for next

1392
01:41:18.680 --> 01:42:04.760
week's show. Go to bed,
little father, We want to be alone.

1393
01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:13.479
Please you like me just a little
bit. Your general appearance is not

1394
01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:18.319
distasteful, thank you. The whites
of your eyes are clear. Your cornea

1395
01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:26.359
is excellent. Your cornea is terrific. Love isn't so simple? An innchka,

1396
01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:30.359
anoka, white of doves, bill
and cool? Why do snails,

1397
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:34.920
the coldest of all creatures, circle
interminably around each other? Why do morths

1398
01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:39.880
fly hundreds of miles to find their
mates? White of flowers slowly open their

1399
01:42:39.960 --> 01:42:44.680
petals on in natchka. Surely you
feel some slight symptom of the divine passion,

1400
01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:48.880
A general want in the palms of
your hands, a strange heaviness in

1401
01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:54.479
your limbs, a burning of the
lips that isn't thirst, but something a

1402
01:42:54.520 --> 01:43:28.800
thousand times more cantalizing, more exalting
than thirst. They're very talk. That's

1403
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why we're back next week. Would
they look at Ernst luwitch'sochka? Until then,

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I want to think this week's co
host Heather and Darren. So,

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Heather, what is the latest with
you, ma'am? Over at my website

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monda Heather dot com. I recently
have written a tribute to Robert Hamer,

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who was one half of Barns and
Barns, which is a band that most

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people know of for doing fish heads, but they're so much more to that

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band and to the work that he
and Bill Mummy created. So that's over

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there and very proud of it,
so please read it. I also have

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an essay on speaking of Fox,
Harris Anna Micabro has released um like Doctor

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Calgary Stephen Sadian's Amazing eighty nine film
and in the limited edition run of that

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blue ray, I have an essay
so you can read that if you get

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the limited edition. If you don't
have it, I'll probably poust it at

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some point later I don't know,
but please buy it, sharing any goodies

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until that bad Boy is old.
So of course you can go to my

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website Mondo Heather. I'm on Patreon, Mondo Heather is social Facebook, and

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I'm also on the Dark Habits podcast
talking about Johnny guitar with host Spencer Seems

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and the co host Jessica, and
we got to have a lot of fun

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with that and I got to hal
everything. Sterling Hayden and Darren. What's

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01:44:44.920 --> 01:44:46.800
going on with you, sir.
It's a little bit weird me promoting myself

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because all of my stuff is actually
patrons wh's behind the paywall. So I

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feel really strange about saying, oh, go and pay money and listen to

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this as not even my patron,
but what I'm going to promote my podcast

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01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.880
pout and A. Bared has got
a public face in podcast The Warriors.

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He's a stand up comedian. It's
about comedy and mental health. It's brilliant

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works to go check that out if
you enjoy him on there. He's got

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two years' worth of material about films
with me on the Patron and every month

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01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:20.239
we cover a different subgenre of cinema. I talk you to a history of

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that subgenre and basically at top we
do our top five films from within it.

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So this is my first public place
in podcast and I'm it's been a

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real treat. You've both been so
great to work with and thank you so

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01:45:33.079 --> 01:45:36.239
much for inviting me on. I'm
so glad to have you well. Thank

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you so much guys for being on
the show. Thanks to everybody for listening.

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If you want to hear more of
me shooting off my mouth. Check

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out some of the other shows I
work on. They are all available at

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weirdingweightmedia dot com. Thanks especially to
our Patreon community. If you want to

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join the community, visit patreon dot
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get helps the Projection Booth take over
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the crazy fan side, said her, and only better. She said that

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of this episode of The Projection Booth
and as the end credits role. We

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wanted to thank you the listening audience
here at the Projection Booth podcast with Mike

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White, Host extraordinaire Bang