WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:07.639 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jaken Zalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:15.039 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services Ensure your most Prized Possessions katz R two 3 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:19.000 side at iHeart Radio Station. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to 4 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.079 I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, 5 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:27.399 He's Jaken Zalez. Welcome to day four hundred of the hostage situation of the 6 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:30.679 PAC twelve pack, dead pack, night, whatever pack do you want to 7 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:36.079 call it. We're just another day in paradise. I think it's gonna ensue 8 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:40.759 though. I think, yeah, my my, my hunger strike is almost 9 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.840 done. Yeah, but I haven't lost the pound. Note. Wow, 10 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:48.119 there's that, And I think I think that I think they ran hospital four 11 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:52.439 hundred forty, So we're going we're going for that ran to compare the two. 12 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:55.439 But yeah, okay, let the situation. When was the last time 13 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.600 you were turned down three or four times? Were the same? Girl? 14 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:03.760 Never? Because if I got turned down once, I never asked too well. 15 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:07.760 The PAC twelve was turned down by the nb NBC three times, three 16 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.879 times, and then anybody else too well, and then you know, and 17 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:19.599 then the whole thing of how when when UM Oklahoma in Texas left the Big 18 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:23.760 twelve, uh, Bob Bullsby, the commissioner at the time, calls George 19 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.000 laugh Cooff and says, hey, let's talk about doing something and and the 20 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:32.879 pactol said no thanks. And then all said in USC and UCLA calls goes 21 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:36.719 out and clav Coov calls, right your mark and says, hey let's do 22 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:41.719 something and break your mark said no thanks. The PAC twelve mismanaged this from 23 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:44.719 from day one, day one. And I saw something that I'm not sure 24 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:48.040 if it's accurate or not, but someone on Facebook, you know, our 25 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:52.000 infamous internet, uh and and they they said, they said, and we 26 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:56.280 thought Larry Scott was dumb or something. Well, I don't think Klavkov is 27 00:01:56.359 --> 00:02:00.879 dumb. I just thought I think that UM one, he started out in 28 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:04.959 a bad spot first day, right, he got he got blitzed by by 29 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:09.599 you know, all these all these these uh these teams leaving and the PAC 30 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:15.759 twelve was in a horrible spot. Now, I do think he misplayed a 31 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.479 bunch of stuff, right, I think you know, he's been stated a 32 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:22.439 few things, right, and so I think I think the whole going back 33 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:25.759 to when you know, the Oklahoma and Texas left. He should have jumped 34 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:30.400 on that and he didn't. Now that may have been at the direction of 35 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.680 the you know, the league's board of directors and the presidents or whatever, 36 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.599 but that's what was done, and it's on him and maybe on him to 37 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:44.479 talk to his presidents and guys or people. You know, we're in a 38 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:46.439 bad spot here. We got to do something because if we don't, we're 39 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:51.560 gonna be in big trouble and nobody, you know. Then US and UCLA 40 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:54.680 leave and that just that was it. At that point, it was over 41 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:58.319 for the PAC twel Yeah, it's funny. I think I saw a quote 42 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:01.840 somewhere and you probably can clarify. So now you've been following stories where one 43 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.000 of the pact, one of the conferences that says, we don't want to 44 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.919 be involved in the demise of the of the PAC twelve. Dude, it's 45 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.000 too late. They don't want to be the cause they've already shut the the 46 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:20.400 caust and the Big twelve clearly doesn't mind. No, you know that. 47 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:24.199 In fact, that's been so it seemingly been a goal for a while now. 48 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.000 I mean, it certainly was when the Big twelve went out and got 49 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.479 their TV deal before the Tack twelve. Do you blame Arizona for jumping? 50 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:37.039 No, do you blame Oregon, Washington, Cow and Stafford jumping to the 51 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:39.520 potential going to the Big tench of course not. Of course you've got to 52 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:43.840 save your own. But the Pac twelve killed itself, oh, without question, 53 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:46.080 without killed itself. You know, they were pushing the boulder up hill 54 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.680 and then lost lost its grip and it's rolled down on top of it all 55 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.960 of a sudden Indiana Jones's Green Chase but bo Yeah, well, so as 56 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:59.800 you alerted um, the reports now out that the Big ten is clearly going 57 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:04.240 out after Oregon in Washington even issued a statement to CBS saying, you know, 58 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:09.520 we have to look at this, and and Dan wetzel Um from Yahoo 59 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.919 Sports reported that that they're not only going after Oregon and Washington, but they're 60 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.680 also looking at Cal and Stanfords, which which is a kind of a surprise 61 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:21.959 to me because Stanford we thought maybe they go in the Pennant and Cal who's 62 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.199 yeah, why why you wanked out? But so you know, if you 63 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.959 want to have a full house and stuff, that's happening. Yeah, certainly. 64 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.519 You know it's called Utah and as you aren't going to stick around in 65 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:38.560 the No, there's nothing left in the sale. Yeah, it's it's just 66 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:40.920 it's Oregon and Washington steak. I have nowhere to go. This is a 67 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.560 garunte sale. When you say the sales from from six in the morning to 68 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:49.120 one and then twelve thirty five year giving stuff away, you know, five 69 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:53.680 cents here, five cents because that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, 70 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.399 it's this is all happening. It's gonna it's gonna happen fast. And I 71 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:01.959 think you know we were talking off fair clearly Arizona cannot sit around and wait 72 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.560 to see what's gonna happen. You know, they've got it. They've got 73 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:08.399 to make a move. Uh And at this point they got to make the 74 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:11.480 move and say, you know we're going, We're going to the big plot. 75 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:16.079 But it's just continues to look bad. Odd and all that. Uh, 76 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.879 Bobby Robins probably come out soon sometime hopefully. Uh. Everyone, I 77 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:25.759 haven't seen I haven't seen any nothing. There's been nothing. There's been nothing 78 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:29.079 from them from those guys, which which doesn't which makes sense because that's kind 79 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.560 of how you operate. But uh, but it's like you've gone silent and 80 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.839 silent well you know, uh historically, and by that I mean in the 81 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.519 last few years. You know, Robbins and and Dave Hkey have done a 82 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:45.040 really good job of preventing leaks. I mean, who who knew Jed Fish 83 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.959 was gonna get hired n till Jeff Fish got hired. Who knew, uh, 84 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.240 even rich Rod is gonna get it. And that was under Greg Burne. 85 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.920 But even Rich Rodd is gonna get hired he got hired. Who knew 86 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.959 Tommy Lloyd is getting hired until he got hired. You know, they they 87 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.319 they've they've done a good job. If you're gonna ways to clamp clamp down 88 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.199 on things, and so we're not gonna I don't think we're gonna hear anything 89 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:10.079 until something gets decided. Yeah, yeah, okay, we'll talk more about 90 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.480 that obviously in the next hour or two. But do we have a good 91 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.720 show today, Yeah? We do. Jeff Hammerschman is going to come on 92 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:21.279 from Jeff was safety at Arizona eighty seven to ninety also a coach in college 93 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:26.680 in NFL, but played with the you know under Dick Tomy with the Doyna 94 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.079 Quina and and all those guys and just some history. We'll ask Jeff what 95 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.480 he thinks about all this stuff, right, Uh. And then Doug Holler, 96 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:39.480 who was at PACT at Arizona me today yesterday, but his most of 97 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:43.800 his questions were about realignment. So we'll we'll get a sense of him what 98 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.319 what's on his mind. He writes for the Athletic, covers Phoenix and Arizona 99 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:49.720 for the Athletic, and uh, you know, I'm sure he's got an 100 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.839 opinion, and we want to what's going on up at a SU you know, 101 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:58.360 Uh, Jade Robino, I think you know, he he talked about 102 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.720 what he wants to go on. You know, he wants to pack to 103 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:03.720 people about no. We know he said he wanted Arizona State to stay, 104 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:08.120 but he thought Arizona State fans will be upset at him for saying that because 105 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:10.360 he thinks Arizona State fans saying we got to get down out of you know. 106 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:15.399 Um, and he's the Devil's digests. We'll see what Doug Doug is 107 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.040 hearing on the A s U side. Plus, you know, the Athletic 108 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.319 is doing a lot of stuff about this as well. Yeah, Okay, 109 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:25.639 so anybody too, you can call in and when we're not on the phone 110 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.959 five two or four one, six, seventy four forty, we'd like to 111 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.480 hear your thoughts on the team leaving or the program leaving to Big twelve. 112 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.920 If it doesn't, yeah, well you know this will be part of the 113 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:38.879 conversation from now until it gets done, really coming back to it. Yeah, 114 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:43.000 but we do have some fun stuff. Um, we probably got put 115 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:47.120 about five or ten minutes with hy Dwayne Dwaynea Keena yesterday with some great stuff. 116 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.920 Yeah. Luckily I explained about three or four minutes blay myself with him 117 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.759 because then everybody started showing up for my for my story on right because he's 118 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:56.639 coming back. But why don't we go in and go ahead and get some 119 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.079 clips inside? I think you know, if if you're wondering is Jetfish the 120 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:07.199 guy you want him to be, you're gonna like what Dwayne Nikina has to 121 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.399 say about Jetfish. And if you're one of those people think we're still treasure 122 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.360 the dick Toomy years and we're wondering, you know, is there some comparison 123 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:22.199 to Fish? You gotta hear what Dwayne Nikeena has said about Jetfish yesterday, 124 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.399 really good stuff. So here we go. I think Coach Fish as I 125 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:30.680 listened to him talk to the football team and the message that he's sending, 126 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.080 there's a lot of Dick Tomy in those messages. He's saying it with his 127 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.559 own phrases like many of us, you know, like Don James influenced me, 128 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.879 you know, Dick Tomy obviously Mac Brown. But I've been around a 129 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.399 lot of great coach and starting with rich Ellerson, my best friend, maybe 130 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.000 the best football coach I've been around. And I've been on staffs with Will 131 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.399 must Champ and Matt Manning Diaz and Greg Robins saying, you know, I 132 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.960 can drop a lot of names on you, but you pull from a little 133 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.000 bit of those guys. But then you coach within your personality, you know. 134 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:11.639 And so but just watching the athletes watching that you can coach them hard 135 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:13.480 like we did back in the day, you know, because that was Dick's 136 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.279 thing. We're gonna coach you hard, but we're gonna love you hard too. 137 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:22.240 So players always know that it's coming from a place of love, really 138 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:24.840 right, because even as parents, the best love out there is tough love. 139 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:31.960 You don't like it minis during it at times, well, I think 140 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.039 a lot of the messages that he talks about, he talks about the team, 141 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.519 which was all about Dick's it's the team, the team, the team. 142 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:45.240 Put your ego in the back pocket. He's always lecturing these guys about 143 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.919 the team and how football relates to real life. You know, the struggles. 144 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.720 I have a little bit of the transfer portal and all of that. 145 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:58.519 The messages that this great game teaches you is overcome adversity, fight through. 146 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.240 You know, you gotta learn to compete. Now it's not working, I'm 147 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:07.480 gonna go find an easier avenue. Jet is very good on talking about overcoming 148 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.440 adversity, being a great teammate, all the things that Dick would talk about. 149 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.320 He says, it's his own ways. A lot of his presentations. 150 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.759 Now you have power points and all that. You know, for us, 151 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.360 old dog, we would never be able to get to a power point. 152 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.919 Dick would still be trying to get to a power point now. Okay, 153 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:30.720 but you know, but he met Jed does a great job of blending being 154 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:35.120 a great teammate, knowing how to practice were wont to practice physical yet we 155 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:41.039 want twenty two on their feet all those messages. He was great to listen 156 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:45.080 to, just great to listen to. Uh, and I do see some 157 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.720 jet or hears some jet in Uh, here's some tell me in Jed and 158 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.320 right in his own way, in his own way, his own way. 159 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.240 Let's less um good old boys stuff, right, but with smart stuff, 160 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.919 right, the very thoughtful stuff. Yeah, very thoughtful, because Dick told 161 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.559 me he was kind of good old boys stuff. Yeah. But but but 162 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.480 Dick was You're getting the conversation with Dick and just you know where he was 163 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.799 getting, you know, when you would express his thoughts and ideas about being 164 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:15.000 a coach and what you have to do to get guys to play for you. 165 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:16.639 Yeah, that's where you you know, and I and I think what 166 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.480 GWayne Nikeeno was saying is that Jed has that he brings that to the table 167 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.000 and that he he talks to guys in his own way, right, He's 168 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.840 not trying to imitate anybody, but he talks guys in his own way. 169 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.919 But he talks about a lot of the same things that made Dick Tomy's teams 170 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.960 really good. And if you remember, because we coach, we covered him 171 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.879 at the time of Lady eight eighty nine, ninety. Um Uh that he 172 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.679 was. He too was a CEO like guy because he had a Kena and 173 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:50.639 he had McDuff, and he had all these guys pat Hill run running the 174 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.360 show in their way, and then he kind of oversee it. Yeah I'm 175 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.559 not wrong, No, you're not wrong. But then you would see him 176 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:58.639 at practice and you knew he was in charge. Yeah, you'd he'd come 177 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:03.320 in and get you knew who wasn't charged. That's that's interesting to me. 178 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.320 You know. Kena later on talks about how during the time, he talked 179 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.759 about how Jed is much more involved in the xs and o's of everything because 180 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:18.120 he's essentially the offensive Coordina's probably play way more than adicted, But nonetheless all 181 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.879 the other stuff seems to be very similar to, uh to what dick Uh, 182 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.320 the way Dick operated. And again, if you were you know after 183 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.960 even after how it ended, and if you're one of the people who helped 184 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:31.480 run him out of town, but now you wish you had him back, 185 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.480 that's got to be a good feeling to know that maybe there's a little bit 186 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.960 of that back here. Sure, because I think we've all agreed that Arizona 187 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.240 is a different place from the standpoint that that's the kind of coach you pretty 188 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.519 much need to be at Arizona. You can't be you know, you can't 189 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.399 be the you can't be, uh, Jim Harbaugh, you can't be you 190 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.759 know, Ryan Day, you can't be you know those guys that doesn't work 191 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.240 in Tucson, Arizona. You gotta be sort of the the guy who to 192 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:03.440 deal with, you know, guys who maybe aren't the five could we coach 193 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.000 them up right? Well, he mentioned and we said this yesterday, he 194 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.240 mentioned a bunch of dudes, and we're gonna have one of those dudes on 195 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.639 here with Hamishment. There were not five stars who were not four stars and 196 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:15.039 Hamishman, it's what a buck buck ninety was a little guy. He was 197 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:20.600 a Finnished guy who just loved to hit people and like like uh yeah, 198 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.799 and just played it, played up. You know, nothing fear, nothing 199 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.960 scared them. There were no fear of people, and uh became these people. 200 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.320 Yeah, and and again it goes back to all of you know, 201 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:33.279 all those things were created out of that. Well, well, we're runn 202 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.360 out of time before the break here before we're talking to Jeff. But you 203 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.000 know, he talked about how desert swarm came about his mind. Yeah, 204 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.159 and really where it came from, uh you know, you know, on 205 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.799 on the practice field, and how that that emanated from again, the way 206 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.679 Dick ran his program. It was the way he treated the guy. And 207 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.000 it wasn't you have a clipper now? Why we do? But we're not 208 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.679 gonna be ok. And it was more I didn't know that. I didn't 209 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.480 know this. Maybe he talked about going to Canada and bringing the yes when 210 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:05.960 when he said that, I remember that. I don't remember that they got 211 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.120 Canada and they brought it down. And it wasn't schemes or schemes right philosophies 212 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:16.559 of philosophy, but it was dudes believing in the system and playing their ass 213 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:18.159 off to make it work, to make it work, because that's just it. 214 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.120 If you do and you you've been a boss. If you have ten 215 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.879 employees that are together and working an ass off, it makes you look pretty 216 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.279 good. If there are a bunch of slackers, you're not a good boss. 217 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.480 And that's why you you know a good boss. You know, we'll 218 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.600 surround themselves by people who are smarter than them right to make you know, 219 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.320 to make it all working. And that and that's what you do. And 220 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.360 and Dick told me he had great coaches, and he had coaches that were 221 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.320 probably better XS and those coaches than him, but they still came in and 222 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.480 did there and did the job. And when we come back, we'll talk 223 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:54.000 about the Jeff and more clips about this on the other side where Dick gave 224 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:56.240 him a lot of leeway in life and on the field. Well, we 225 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.559 have that clip. We'll talk about that as well. All right, let's 226 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.879 take a break quickna be back. We'd be right back with Jeff Hammerson's former 227 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.919 Arizona walk out. 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Hey, welcome 292 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.079 back to win on the ball here Fox Sports fourteen. If I'm Steve, 293 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:04.000 he's Jay. Now we have our guy, Jeff Hammerschmidt former you a football 294 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.079 player, coach to do everything? Guy, how are you? Jeff? 295 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.440 I'm doing great, doing great. Good to have you. Great to have 296 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:18.000 you. As we joked off, Please keep it clear that fancy coach talk. 297 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.920 I got my finger on the dump button if just in case. Yeah, 298 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:30.920 it's perfect and to me too, that's a good that's happened too. 299 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.000 Hey, we're gonna have one of your good, good friends, good coaches. 300 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:36.799 Obviously you're doing a Keena on with Cliffs or we had him and we 301 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:41.200 talked to him yesterday. How was it playing for him? He was? 302 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.680 He was phenomenal. He was he was the best I've ever been around, 303 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:51.079 and as a coach, as a player, everything. He just a great 304 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:55.480 dad, great person. He's awesome. And you had you had the double 305 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:57.799 opportunity to coach with him as well. Right, and so when when you 306 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:02.119 saw him on the field and what he does, um, you know, 307 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:03.799 how did how did you take that? Did you did you try and take 308 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.640 from that at all? Or was it that's Dwayne and I'm you know, 309 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.839 I got to do a different thing. Or how did you look at him 310 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:15.279 when you saw him the way he worked? Um, it's hard to it's 311 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.559 hard to be just like him. But I but I did my best. 312 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.119 And mind that was you know, coach told me my dad, you know 313 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:23.880 that, my old football coach, and you know, just say, just 314 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.920 like I find somebody that's doing it great and just try to be like them. 315 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:33.000 And then I so I did. Now I didn't have the I didn't 316 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.920 have the all come on, hamas you look at the I didn't have the 317 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:41.839 accents ac or whatever. But um, we we we used to put it. 318 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.640 We used to get some uh we get some comedy acts just talking about 319 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.559 his sayings and some of that stuff. But he's he is great. He's 320 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.920 the first time we ever met him. He comes in the meeting and it's 321 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:55.480 and I'm a freshman and ce Soul and all these guys are there and he 322 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:56.599 goes, he goes, God, Dan, you know, I I don't 323 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.240 know what coach told me. He had me as a as why I'm why 324 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.359 I'm a D D coach, But I'm his DD coach And I think it's 325 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:10.440 because I threw so many interceptions as a court but he was, he is 326 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:12.640 a he's a great phenomenal He kind of mentioned that yesterday, sir. That's 327 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:19.279 why he never played ahead of Warren Moon exactly exactly. So you know, 328 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:23.880 his personality is what it is. It's very personable. He's a relatable dude. 329 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:27.880 If you're not a relatable dude, it's hard to emulate what he does. 330 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:33.680 So you're a relatable dude. Did that help you? You know? 331 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:38.920 Um, well, I don't know if I was a total reliable, reliable 332 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:44.720 dude, but um yeah, just the way everything about him, you just 333 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.559 is, you know, the way he coaches and and it just gets he 334 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.319 just knows how to deal with each person. He knows how everybody separately. 335 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:57.200 Um. Why there's some there's some funny stories with with Cecil and a couple 336 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:02.400 when we got when we get together Akita and and that someone throws a beer 337 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:04.640 in the room. Then it's, uh, it gets pretty comical talking about 338 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.240 some of the stuff that we you know, that we've done, and but 339 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:12.000 just a fall out of great respect. It's like, you know, it's 340 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:17.039 the ultimate It's the ultimate sign of respect is you know, I'll try to 341 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:18.279 act like I mean, we had them down pretty good. Well, when 342 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:22.759 you think of all the coaches that that were at Arizona at that time, 343 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:27.359 the various personalities that Dick had their you know, Larry McDuff and Rich Allerson, 344 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:30.920 and you know any one of a number of guys you mentioned Johnny lynn 345 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.400 Um, you know, all the all the guys that were through there. 346 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:40.359 Every it seemed like every guy was a kind of a really different personality, 347 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:44.359 almost like that was done on purpose, but in the end, they were 348 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:48.359 all trying to get to the same place. Yeah, well, you know 349 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.480 that's that's kind of Coach told me, that's that was his thing, is 350 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:53.039 get him all in this, get him all in the room together. When 351 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:57.680 I was when I was a GA, my first GA year, We're about 352 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:00.799 to go up and go camping as a staff and and I'm going, what 353 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.640 the heck is this all about? And Coach Tomy on the on the staff 354 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:11.400 with Jim Young. Yeah, like Jim Young, Mark Lance, Mark Lunsford, 355 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.279 h Norm Anderson. As again, I mean, there's a bunch of 356 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.079 guys that we're all just from all over the place, and we all Coach 357 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:25.119 Tomy had us meet out at some at some theater and go watch uh, 358 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:27.200 what is it? Apollo thirteen? And then we all went into our cabins 359 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:30.400 and we just played poker all night and got to know each other and just 360 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:33.920 stuff like that was a lot of to do with Coach Tomy. But but 361 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:37.759 his you know, but Coach Akina was always a big, big part of 362 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:42.160 that. I mean that's the way the way that the chemistry with the staff 363 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.240 was always really good. And I think it all started with Coach Tomy. 364 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.960 So it's it's funny Duyne was talking to us history. Listen, all these 365 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:53.880 dudes, just normal dudes who you know, began or started the Desert Swarm 366 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.079 and not five stars, not four stars. He just coached them up. 367 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:02.160 They believed in the system and and coached him up. How did he coach 368 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:07.880 you up? You were like a buck fifty? Yeah, I don't know. 369 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.480 He was. He had a dandful because I was, I mean, 370 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:17.440 I I mean I I was not a smart player. I just wanted to 371 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.640 say it right now. I was not. I was, okay, I 372 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:22.720 was kind of. I was kind of a physical run around and when I 373 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:27.279 got confused, I was ranting up a hit whole and so I did that 374 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:32.559 a lot. But he was, but he just broke things down for you, 375 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:34.720 Like I was not someone you can just say, you know, like 376 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:40.000 it suck. Cecil. Chuck was a four point student, great person, 377 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.440 great guys smarter than Heck and Chuck and they can you know, he did 378 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:47.759 look on the board for one second run out and do it exactly for me. 379 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.240 I had to go through. A coach would bring in some chairs, 380 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:55.559 we'd walk through it. You know, he knew what he was up against. 381 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.640 But I was definitely not a super intelligent, but I but I definitely 382 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:03.279 got me to the right place. And uh and his teaching, he did 383 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.400 it different with everybody, but he was he was right on on everyone. 384 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:11.119 It was amazing. Yeah, I think you're sawing yourself a little short because 385 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.960 you were smart enough to in a matter of a week or two to go 386 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:19.680 from playing safety to playing quarterback. As I recall that that happened in no 387 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:25.079 time flat. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was okay, it 388 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.960 was. It was a simple offense than goodness, but it was I didn't 389 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:30.039 have to throw the ball. That was the one thing that he said. 390 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.079 As I did. I think I was one for thirteen passing that year, 391 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:38.319 So it wasn't like I had to learn the passing game it was. I 392 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.799 could tell you here's how here's how bad I was as I could remember my 393 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:48.079 one completion, just to tell you, because a lot of guys are probably 394 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.680 like, oh, yeah, I had like four computer completions or five, 395 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.680 but I'm not joking. I had one. I went back and I we 396 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.799 were at Stanford. My first start in college football was as a freshman against 397 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.119 Stamford. A quarterback and I go back. I can throw a slant to 398 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:04.160 Derek Hill, and Derek Hill takes up for about seventeen yards and I'm like, 399 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:08.400 I was jumping up in my first college completion. It was great. 400 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:15.079 Right, So tell me what are the port are his players now gonna get 401 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.720 from him as he coaches him. Oh, he's got He's still got the 402 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.960 same energy. I mean, God, we went down for we went down 403 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.799 for summer kill. I went down for spring ball off in the alumni weekend, 404 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.319 and and just being around him, he's the same guy. He just 405 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.119 looks a little older. He has the move was fast, but he's he 406 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:34.240 is the same guy. He still fires that ball one hundred miles an hour 407 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:40.480 at him during our ball drills. He is He's bouncing around to all the 408 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.119 different players. He has that way about him. He could sit at a 409 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:48.839 table with the lineman and just get him cracking up and uh, and then 410 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.920 just kind of pulls the best thing. He could pull a great story of 411 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.279 you know, wherever Jimmy Tucker walks in the building and he can go and 412 00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.839 come and tell this, tell the best Jimmy your story is anyone's ever heard? 413 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.880 Like just that, Hey, I remember that, and pumps him up 414 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.119 where you feel real good, you know what I'm saying. He doesn't. 415 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.920 He doesn't look at the negative or anything because me and Jimmy Tucker probably had 416 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.039 a lot, but he was he could look at it and he could tell 417 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:17.200 stories and you come out of the room and you think, god, I 418 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.880 was great. Yeah, you know he was. He was. He's phenomenal. 419 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.680 Well, he was definitely holding court yesterday at a media Jane. We 420 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.160 got some we got some great stories out of him, and he's just you're 421 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:32.440 and you're right, he's the same guy. Now. We joked about how 422 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:34.599 much older all of us are. Yeah, uh, you know, and 423 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.519 it was kind of funny. We're standing there next to Brian Jeffries, who 424 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.680 looks the same as he did when you were playing and we were a little 425 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.880 bit upset at that, but it was you know, he's very funny about 426 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.480 it, and he was, you're right, he's the same guy. And 427 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.720 I think this probably you know, fits with what Jed is trying to do 428 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.880 because he talked to He talked about Jed being very much like Dick Tomy in 429 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:59.400 terms of what the messages are maybe being done and told in a different way, 430 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.599 but a lot of similarities to what he saw working working for Dick. 431 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:07.680 Yeah, yeah, I haven't I haven't been. I hear a lot of 432 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.720 great stuff and about Jed. I had a chance to meet him in the 433 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.200 spring and and uh faw him again in the summer. Walked around with coach 434 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.720 at Keena. I took my my little my fourteen year old to the camp 435 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.519 and it was a heck of it. It was awesome and he got a 436 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.319 chance to get coached by coach Akeena caught up to him and he and kind 437 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:29.119 of yelled at yelled at him a little bit, which I was just laughing 438 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.680 my butt off. It was perfect. Yeah, he's he is. I 439 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.759 think he is. I think that's the I think Jed doing the right thing. 440 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:40.799 He's getting a lot of that old, like a lot of the not 441 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.319 old, but the older guys that are lums that just love the they love 442 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:49.279 Arizona football, and that's that's a great that's a great start, right, 443 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:55.880 So you must really like how things are going or trendy. Yeah, yeah, 444 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.079 no, I just hear it from like Brandon Sanders. I've known Brandon 445 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:02.359 for a long time. He's a Helix guy, so we're kind of in 446 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.960 that family. But he is um. But but Brandon's doing a great job. 447 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.279 He's doing the alumnis bringing guys together that, you know, getting reaching 448 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.480 out to some guys that haven't been back and they're coming back and we're and 449 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.599 we're hanging out. I probably hang out. I probably hang out too much 450 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.440 now. But we ended up we ended up buying a house, like I 451 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.279 said, up by Lawa Paloma. So at some point I'm gonna be bugging 452 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.400 I'll be bugging Jet for tickets all the time. Yeah, that's good. 453 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.519 So Jeff thinking back, Um, you know, you know, Dick came 454 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.720 on at a time, You came on at a time when you know, 455 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.799 Larry Smith had just left, was a lot of uncertainty about how the program 456 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.039 you know, was going to be going forward. By the time you left, 457 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:41.119 you know, you guys have been you know, in a couple of 458 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:47.119 bowl games and stuff like that. It seems like the program started a much 459 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.119 lower spot, but it's kind of getting to that level again. People are 460 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.559 talking about, you know, the next few years and very very positive about 461 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.160 what's going on right now. Do you see any comparison in terms of what 462 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:03.200 that's like for the players and the coaching staff and expectations start to become to 463 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.720 get a little higher, Right Um, what was that like for you guys? 464 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.960 And and and what do you think they're going through about with that right 465 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:14.680 now? Well, you know, I think that's that's I don't know how 466 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:19.160 this portal, this portal thing makes it a little crazy. But the part 467 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.839 of when Dick Toomey came in and Larry Smith recruited us all. But then 468 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.279 here comes Dick Tomy and we're kind of all waiting and seeing and he's it 469 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.839 takes him a while because he starts telling us, you know, I've never 470 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.680 played football. Then we're going what and so that We're like, so you're 471 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.960 kind of you're kind of watching this and and he but it just bell he 472 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.000 built it over time with the six wins and I think I think the year 473 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.759 I was playing quarterback, I think we had like three ties. We were 474 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.519 four four and three. I mean we were and they had to have me 475 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.240 at a quarterback to as that was it. That was a little bit of 476 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.720 a handicap. And then you go. But then the next next year is 477 00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.240 six wins, and then it was a low ot bowl. Uh. Then 478 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.960 we come back and it just start and then it has a little bit of 479 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.160 down, then it goes back up. But it had that steady you know. 480 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.039 You lose a coach like a Homer Smith, or you lose a somebody 481 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:13.119 Elerson or something, and that dips a little bit and then it goes right 482 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.039 back up. And because it's just a foundation that that you try to try, 483 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.920 you try to lay down, it's great. And I think that, 484 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.680 and I think Jed's doing that. I think he's trying to build this thing. 485 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.759 It's just sometimes in this portal thing right now, it's it's a little 486 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:29.799 nuts. It's guys are just jumping chip and you've developed them and all of 487 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:31.839 a sudden they take off. I mean, I don't know, it's a 488 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.480 little tricky. It's kind of a kind of a weird weird deal knowing. 489 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.279 I mean, you know, you hate to say it, but like would 490 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:45.319 would have Garrek Hill or Chuck Sesel or whoever if all of a sudden they 491 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.119 started being who they were in their junior year. Alabama comes around because they 492 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.559 will give you a million dollars if you want to. You want to go 493 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.880 play for us, it might you know, who knows. So some of 494 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.920 that stuff is killing is It's hard. It's hard to build. I met, 495 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.759 so we talked about this before you came on. So you guys weren't 496 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.640 a bunch of five stars, four stars to stow whatever it was. You 497 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.000 guys just played for the system, played for the coach. What's the secret 498 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:14.039 to that? For the coaches to get dudes like the people at Arizona to 499 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:19.680 play hard and maybe above their above their pay grade. You know, I 500 00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.920 think that the recruiting part of it. You mean, you can't recruit a 501 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.000 bunch of guys. I think that are they are for themselves. I mean, 502 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.119 and so it's hard, but but yeah, I think the recruiting part 503 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.599 of it. I mean, when coach, when we were going we were 504 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:37.160 rolling, when we were rolling, and it was a desert swarm and it 505 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:42.119 was Teddy Bruski and Brandon Sanders and all these guys wal drop even I mean 506 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.200 guys that were that were just loyal and just hey, this guy put it 507 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:50.279 on, put it on the line for me. And Coach Toldy he is 508 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.440 crazy, like he is the first. And I think I said this last 509 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:58.200 time I was on, but it was my first memory of coach Coach Tony 510 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.440 is when I was I just got in my freshman year and I come up. 511 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.000 Me and Tom Quinn we came up and we're both roommates in the dorms 512 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.280 and we need it. We're moving to our house and we just we don't 513 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:10.000 have a truck. And we're sitting there, we were talking to some people 514 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.880 and we were asking if people and Coach Tolmy comes out and he does, 515 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.039 hey, you know, we just met him at at a team meeting. 516 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.400 And he comes out and he go, tell you what, you guys need 517 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.079 a truck here, I got a truck here, quinner here take it. 518 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.239 And he throws his keys to Tom and he's like, you guys bringing the 519 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.920 truck back when you need it, but agree when you're done with it. 520 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.880 And I'm like, this guy just met us and he's giving us a truck 521 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:37.039 that sounds like lation man. Yeah exactly. Now, so now we oh, 522 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:46.400 we can't get good story now guaranteed laughing at so. Lastly, because 523 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.960 we have a little time, what the hell's up with you guys from Helix 524 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.320 gets a bunch of hitters, hitters and they don't give a crap to just 525 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:57.239 hit people. Well, I think if they had the rules like they are 526 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.400 now, and I think all of us would never have been heard about because 527 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.280 we all we all hit with our helmet. And my dad always says, 528 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.800 he goes, he goes, you would have never made it in college anyway. 529 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.119 And you and c so we'd have both never been anything there you go. 530 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.920 I don't know, I just we always grew up. We had a 531 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.679 great It started with our Helix coaching staff. When I was a kid. 532 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:21.440 It was like my head coach was like my uncle. It was kind of 533 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.079 a coach tomy thing. He's liked my father to me and and just one 534 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.360 of those guys, one of those people and a group of coaches that had 535 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.760 a great influence and not a lot of change it around. It was the 536 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.360 same group of coaches when I was a little kid growing up all the way 537 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.000 to my senior year and it's and it's just a it's a good there's there's 538 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.920 a lot of those programs out here. But you know, as long as 539 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.360 that staff stays the same and they kind they you know, it's it's good. 540 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:47.079 It's good. Well, yeah, we had a we had a good 541 00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.800 growing up. Thanks for joining us, Man, It's always fun with you. 542 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.199 Hey, I love it all right, Thanks seez, thank you, 543 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.880 Jay Man, you're around. Jeff Amershman. I didn't realize he was moving 544 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.119 to Tucson at some point. Well, yeah, good guy. Yeah that 545 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.199 was fun. He was so when when they put him at quarterback. I 546 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.039 just remember him going like, what are we doing? Yeah, well it 547 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.400 was like the bone because yeah, they're running. They was in the part 548 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.360 of that. Remember the first game he comes in and like on the second 549 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.800 play he goes like seventy five yards for a touchdown. Yeah, and you 550 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.159 know he runs the option and cuts. He was very fast. Yeah, 551 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.199 yeah, he was really fast. 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Honest, we got about thirteen minutes 604 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.920 if you guys want to give us a quick call five two old four one 605 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.559 six seventy four forty. We're just going to continue with some more interviews with 606 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.360 mister Quina. Yeah, Dwayne Niquina again, as I said, just we're 607 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.679 just having fun over there, Yeah, going telling stories and stuff. And 608 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:27.559 he talked, you know, one of the discussions was about how family was 609 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:32.639 so important to Dick and and that coaches here how much of the depreciation they 610 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.880 had for that. When they also talked heard about what are the coaching staffs 611 00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:38.000 were doing as far as all that. Well, the coaches would come, 612 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:42.559 remember he talked about this too, were coaches from other schools would come and 613 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.559 visit to see how they how they were doing how they were doing things because 614 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.679 it was so unbelievable and he really coach, coach, let you go home. 615 00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.320 Yeah, you know, here's that. Here's the clip. You know. 616 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.559 At the time, Dick was really into family because I had some cool 617 00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.000 opportunity ninety four. I don't know if people knew this, but I could 618 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.079 have gone to Cleveland Brown Sounds with Belichick and Nick Saban was the coordinator, 619 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:07.760 and I really was thinking about doing that. But what turned me on it 620 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.840 is when they and I love Belichick, but I'm a family five And there 621 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.119 would be times that we'd have a staff meeting called in the afternoon, and 622 00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.679 so I said, I'd call it a coach. I know, we got 623 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.840 a staff meeting, but Kynos got All Stars practice today and I'm throwing DP. 624 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.119 We'll have to go to the staff. It's a helmet. Just make 625 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:34.800 sure you're throwing breaking pitches too, you know. For those Dick was a 626 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:38.440 baseball guy, but family was always first. Like even when we were winning, 627 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:43.480 once a week, we didn't stay after we went home from dinner. 628 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.519 So what I did is I go home, have dinner with the kids, 629 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:50.800 put them to sleep, and then many times I'd I'd worked from ten to 630 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:53.599 two, ten to three, and I had a VHS set up. Dick 631 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:59.159 was just all about get your work done. So that year I think we 632 00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:02.239 had like sixty staffs come visit that it was Who's Who. It was Florida 633 00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:07.159 State, it was Nebraska with the with the black shirts, and it was 634 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:14.199 all who's who, and so off of all that because you felt bad, 635 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.920 you didn't want to share everything about what we're doing. The thirty one yards 636 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.480 a game that would never be touched again, and rushing defense that's phenomena, 637 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:28.239 and so so often what those guys would grab about this. So you guys 638 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:35.199 go home every night, Yeah, you know we have them. So I 639 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.960 can't remember who? Was it a model or one of the can you have? 640 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:42.800 Dick called Bobby Bowden and let him know what your staff schedules are, 641 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.840 because back in the day, people would just be in the offices all night 642 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.760 and long, and me and reached we would be what are you guys talking 643 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.920 about? You know? The funny that was the funny thing about it. 644 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.719 He talks about just how cozy it was. But we gotta call yeah, 645 00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:00.559 we gotta call her on the air. What's your name? Robert Robert, 646 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.599 what do you got? Yeah, I'm just gonna say, don't you think 647 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.320 this indecision on whoever the UA president getting the Pack twelve thing is going to 648 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.320 start hurting our recruiting as far as bringing our football program up. Why don't 649 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.840 what takes so long to have them make a move to the to the Big 650 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.079 twelve conference? I mean, it's it's gonna happen. Why Why do they 651 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.840 drag their feet on this stuff because that the commissioner the Pack twelve doesn't tamn't 652 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.239 get anything done. I have no idea, but I don't think. I 653 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.880 think something's gonna happen pretty quick. So I don't think it's gonna have any 654 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.679 huge impact on recruiting. In fact, you'll probably have a positive impact once 655 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.360 it happens. I don't think, Yeah, I don't happen. Yeah, 656 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:37.760 But until then, I mean, how long is this going to drag out? 657 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:45.480 Robert? Robert, have you been married before? It's gonna be a 658 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.480 married thing to have them. But I mean, don't don't jump ahead of 659 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.719 me, Robert. Have you been married before? Have you been married? 660 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.480 You have no? Okay, lucky lucky you st But my point is, 661 00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.679 if you've been married and you say we should I do hear? What should 662 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:01.559 I do? Either get a cut bait or not cut bait. They should 663 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.599 have cut bait a long time ago. Right, don't prolong, don't prolong 664 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.519 the marriage if it sucks. And here we are, and here we are. 665 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.599 I agree with you. I agree with you. Recruiting forget about that's 666 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:15.840 fine, that's fine. Yeah, that's gonna be. This is gonna Basketball 667 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.639 is gonna be good. Football is coming up, so yeah, yeah, 668 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:21.760 this is gonna settle in the next in the next week or so. I 669 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:30.679 really think, Rubbert, go have a beer on me. Why does it 670 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:32.679 always have to come to that, you're such a bitter man. No, 671 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.800 no, no, I just like it's a good analogy because you know, 672 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:38.079 if you're in a bad situation, what do you do. You gotta get 673 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.119 out. You gotta get out, baby, you gotta get out. And 674 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:45.840 it's hard, but you gotta get I did it one so you understand it's 675 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.320 hard, but you and you don't want to, but you you know, 676 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.400 in the end, you do the right, thank you very much. Or 677 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.719 breaking up with a girlfriend or yeah, right, exactly exactly, all right, 678 00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:00.559 um, okay for those of you wondering because We've always talked about how 679 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.239 Desert Swarm got named, and yeah, you got put it in the news 680 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:07.159 released by Tom Dundalston, who was the sports information But even before that, 681 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.639 you know, how did how did the whole Desert Swarm things start? We 682 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:15.039 got to go to the call. Oh, let's take this call. I 683 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.239 are on the arm on the ball. Hey jay, this is done, 684 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:25.599 man, good, Hey, look, we need to pull the trigger and 685 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.880 get ourselves to an athletic conference, get back, get into the Big twelve 686 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.960 before we end up having to change the call letters to chant on Shanno eleven 687 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:43.159 back to kazaz and we go to ten PM rebroadcasts of the of the games 688 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.199 with Arizona wearing red jerseys with see through front. You can see the pads 689 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:52.119 underneath the numbers. Oh my god, those days, Oh my god, 690 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:57.440 what a reference. Absolutely the Tony Mason years. I still can't get the 691 00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:02.239 name Sam Gian Jardella at my head, young Garnella. Absolutely, absolutely, 692 00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:13.239 Hugh be Oliver, Larry Heater, Jim Crown, Ji, a whole bunch 693 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.760 of those guys. Hey man, let's not forget they went to a festivall 694 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:23.440 yea, sir, Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that was eighty 695 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:32.239 seventy nine seventy Yeah, because that Larry Smith started right and I couldn't go 696 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:38.519 to that because my soon to be x wife wouldn't let me. I was 697 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:43.119 in I was in Colorado at my grandma's house. But we watched it. 698 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.199 We watched it on TV. We didn't have to watch it on tape late. 699 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.960 Well it got in o'clock at night. Well, it got blacked out 700 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.599 in Arizona. I was just gonna say we couldn't. I had listened to 701 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.480 it on the radio. He makes a great point because you remember recomment and 702 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:58.519 he posted about this. It was it's so long ago and you don't want 703 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:00.159 nothing. It would go back to that. But that's how it feels. 704 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:07.280 Is is Dan bellowonomy still he's around. He's still around. In fact, 705 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.760 did you see him? And who's the other guy? Dan? And the 706 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:14.000 other guy the guy who did the Rocky movies. I know, I can't 707 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.480 name what is his name? They did this game together like two three? 708 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:21.920 Yeah, it was. It wasn't good. It was it did not go 709 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.280 well. Hey, don appreciate No, Hey, we need to move. 710 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.719 I think we need to make a move. I think and I think they're 711 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:30.559 going to I think they're going they have no choice. I don't think, 712 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:37.400 and I think it has nothing to do with the territorial cup. If a 713 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.440 SU stays behind, right, and if and if a SU stays behind, 714 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:46.239 that's just the ongoing of the inaptitude of whoever they put in charge of that 715 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:51.480 athletic department. Right, That athletic department is an embarrassment. Yeah, well 716 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.719 keep listening because we're gonna have Doug holler On who writes for the Athletic out 717 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.719 of Phoenix, and he was at a press the press conference where they announced 718 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.320 the uh, I mean, right's face you stadium today and there was also 719 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.960 Ray Anders to talk about all the stuff that's going on. So we'll ask 720 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:07.800 Doug what he said because I haven't seen anything, but stick around for that. 721 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:13.639 Hey, don thanks, so hop a bunch to appreciate it. I 722 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.559 can't remember. It'll come to me. It'll come to you, I know, 723 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.159 I know, all right. So we're about to play the clip about 724 00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:23.960 where, you know, in Dwayne Akeena's eyes, where desert Swarm originated. 725 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.239 And I don't know if I've ever heard this story, but here we go. 726 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.480 Desert Swarm came because the effort drill we named the Swarm Shrill and so 727 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:37.280 then all of a sudden, desert storm hits and then it just kind of 728 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.519 cut on, you know, when the players started something, we just swarmed 729 00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:43.679 the bass, swarmed the ball, and then that thing took off. But 730 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:47.960 it's not it's not like it's not the call. You know, it's how 731 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.679 you play the call. There's no magic defense to this thing. It's how 732 00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.400 you play the game. And we played hard. We kept it simple so 733 00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:00.360 kids could play hard. He just had a lot of guys that I said, 734 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.480 weren't highly recruited, but they were very loyal that we took a chance 735 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.199 on it. And uh, we're just just kind of selling the place, 736 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.119 you know, sometimes your right place, right time. It was a it 737 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:15.800 was a great time. But that was probably one of the dick because of 738 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:22.159 the family situation. I was blessed no no it as he said that, 739 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.599 and I heard this is my second time hearing it. Um, it's like 740 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:29.360 when we get an argument about uniforms, Give me a dude who does having 741 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.880 uniform and he just it's how you play, it's not what you play. 742 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:35.599 It was well, when you look at the guys who were part of Desert 743 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:40.000 Swarm, right except for Teddy Briski. You know, they didn't become all 744 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:47.480 great and high j Tony Bowie, Randon Sanders, just dudes, just uh 745 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:54.239 um, Rob Waldrop all those guys, you know, just guys who played 746 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:59.079 with their hair on our Chuck Osborne, right, I mean Pat Hill. 747 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.679 I remember saying it Bob Dobs one time with a bunch of you A guys 748 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:06.599 and Pat Hill was there and the stories he was telling about Chuck Osborne and 749 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:09.320 just what a nut that guy was. I should say that the late Chuck 750 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:15.039 Osborne, but but he just a nut in a crazy guy who was a 751 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.960 really good way who I love to play football, and he was sort of 752 00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.480 the epitome of what Desert Swarm was. And as Dwayne said in the earlier 753 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:27.480 flip, thirty one yards rushing per game. You know that that's an unbreakable 754 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.639 record. Now, yeah, so let me Barry Tompkins. Barry Tompkins, 755 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.760 Yeah, Berry Tompkins and Funny come to me with why hear him? Remember 756 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.480 they did a game up, They did a game of people were like during 757 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:44.320 the COVID Holy back to Night nine, it was awful. Back to the 758 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.320 raycom or the year prying ticket games, right, yeah, yeah, that's 759 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:51.800 funny. With all due respect, yea, with all due respect. All 760 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.960 right, Well, we can't playing more clips because we're out of time for 761 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.480 the break, but we appreciate the calls. Thank you for calling it. 762 00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.039 Look, I think it's if it's not unanim it's got to be pretty dark 763 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:05.519 close there. I mean there there are fans who still wish that the Pack 764 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:08.119 twelve would hold together, but understand that there's no way that it's gonna hold. 765 00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:13.840 It's too many. It's not the Pack ten anymore. It's yeah, 766 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.519 and if the Big ten is gonna come calling for Oregon and Washington, whether 767 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:21.320 or not it's also Stanford and cal it's done. I know, I know 768 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:22.320 you can. You're gonna lie to me. I know when I asked this 769 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.639 question, I know you like me because I already know who you are. 770 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.199 You don't like change, right, you don't like change. I don't like 771 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.199 it. I'm I'm I'm a purist and a traditional But yeah, but now 772 00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.119 you see, you know, we were talking about this at lunch with my 773 00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:45.239 Wednesday lunch group, you know, thinking about watching games on Apple TV streaming 774 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.480 right, you know, having to go find the game, not being able 775 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.440 to channel surf when you're watching the game or whatever, because I don't channel 776 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.000 surf during Arizona games. But another game, you know, another game. 777 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:59.239 Sure you can't do that, you know, when you're watching the streaming. 778 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.599 I thought of being on Apple TV versus being on ESPN on Fox, but 779 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.239 you're if you're with the Big Fox. There's not even that's not even conversation, 780 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.440 even though it's new and it might be the future, right, you 781 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:14.400 can't have that conversation. Yeah, it's not even a conversation. It's not 782 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:19.079 even a consideration. No way, no way, an Arizona say so, 783 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.800 now you're embracing the change, oh, of course, But again you keep 784 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.079 it forgetting that. I kept saying that if it's if the Big twelve was 785 00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:30.559 the worst thing that happened, I was always fine with it. If the 786 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.840 Pac twelve is going to fall apart, an Arizona wind up in the Big 787 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.119 But I didn't want to be is Oregon in Washington State. Who could wind 788 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:42.760 up in the in the in the mountain West. That's what all right, 789 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.639 let's take our break or at the top of the hour, we're gonna come 790 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:46.039 back. We're gonna have some breaking news, so stick around.