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Jeff grub with me is it's me, Hi, I'm the problem.
It's me Mike Manati. In today's episode, the CMA smacksdown Microsoft, Nintendo
has plans for Germany, and gaming is losing another major source of interesting coverage.
Threat. I think so yeah, that's all a threat. Now,
I'm Mike, But first, thank you for joining us. Mike. How
are you doing. I'm great. I've been having real fun. We we've
been doing some fun stuff over at Giant Bomby. I just met some friends
out I got to hang out with them for a bid, raced back here
to do this. I've got my diet doctor popper. I'm good to go.
That sounds pretty good. Yeah, yeah, been uh having fun doing
a series of great things over on Giant bum U. I got I got
real like run down after that thing yesterday, after the high Rule hustle,
and I needed like a nap big time. It took a big nap,
and I've been recovered since now I'm back back up on the horse and ready
for more podcasting. I've been. It was exhausting. It was oddly,
it was super fun, but it was like when it was done, I
was like, I'm exhausted from from that. It was a good time,
though, I'm already thinking about other things we could like maybe do, like
so kind of like Mark sixty four Mario Odyssey, like first to get sewing
so many stars or moons kind of thing. I think the idea would be,
let's throwing some Mario stuff in there for sure, and then if we
do go to Pack's West, maybe that should be our panel High Rule Hustle
Gannonball Run and we do Tears or maybe maybe Breath of Wilde. It's like
the classic when we go to in a live setting because it's one we know
so well. But we'll maybe we'll see you know, the new stuff is
always the hotness exactly. Yeah, we'll see um. But either way,
it's a lot of fun to think about because it's a it was a lot
of fun to do. But yeah, I don't know anything like anything else
you got going on, anything not gaming related. You've been like spending your
time on this week, Mike, Oh gosh, no, I think all
I ever do anymore actually is play video games or hang out with friends and
family. Those are the only two I've really distilled. Yes, what I
like, Like, I don't even watch TV anymore. Like there's like that
whole Picard season three, which is actually good now and it's actually just the
fan service season that I probably wanted. I haven't even seen that. So
No, there's like two things that I like. I mean, the third
ones Disney World, but that's a special treat that's like I do like once,
you know, a year or something like that. But yeah, it's
basically those three things. It's all I really need. So no nothing else
going on. I'm I'm the same way. I watch TV when I'm doing
something else like working out now, and that's it. That's it's like podcast
time for me. Usually I'll do podcast. I do podcast during chores and
mowing the lawn and stuff like that, so I pay people tom on my
lawn. Excuse me, mister big piece of shit. Look, you're the
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Make sure we get those all fixed up, all right, Mike,
I guess yea Jef Jeff before that, before that, Bowser's Fury Race,
Bowser's Hurry like that, And Dan already mentioned he wanted to do that because
it's like, that's a game that's easy to like one you can do that
like five six hours, right, But I think we know that. We
know that, right because if mister Mike mcnaty I said so much in my
review and I was most displeased, No, it was normal about it.
What do you mean there? Maybe more displeasing even thought, but yeah,
sure so uh yeah, that sounds like a hell of a thing. We
should definitely do that. I want to hurry. Let's mentioned that to Dan
because I think he'll be all on board for that. Um, all right,
let mess him then right now, big topics of the week, we
could start here with Microsoft. I mean, by now everyone listened to this
show knows what happened. The CMA said no, thank you, because we
want to protect to the nascent industry of cloud gaming and it's future. And
we think that if you heard me, I heard me, send you a
discard meat that real quick. Yes, it's me the problem, the problem.
It's me, Me and Taylor. We have so much in common.
Honestly, I never thought about Taylor without thinking about you right alongside my UM.
I don't know, Microsoft, this deal seems like it's gonna it's back
on the ropes, although some people are still confident it's gonna go through.
Uh. Really, there's not much more to say about this microgam I'm kind
of tired of talking about it. But whatever, this is the CMA,
they're kind of doing their thing and they think cloud gaming is worth protecting.
I don't it. To me, that doesn't make a lot of sense,
but whatever it's They are allowed to make that decision decision if they want,
and it's up the Microsoft to either figure it out or or you know,
shit, or get off the pot and move on from this deal one way
or the other. As far as like what Microsoft is going to do next,
they keep saying they're gonna appeal and the appeal process. I looked into
this. It's not like like super in favor of people of the people who
actually making the appeal. Usually that means you have to prove that the CMA
behave in a way that was inappropriate, essentially, and then if they do,
the decision goes back to the CMA and back basically to the same people
who already denied it. So I don't really know what the end of round
here is for Microsoft, Like what is the actual goal here or do they
believe that they could still make a deal with the CNA at some point and
get out of this. Now that's what some analysts are saying, like Michael
Packtor. I don't know how reasonable that actually is though, Mike. So
we're sitting here, we don't know much about what's going to happen next.
But to me, it definitely feels like it's back below that fifty percent preshional
this is going to go through, where like last week it was eighty percent
and now it's back like, oh, twenty five percent chance this goes through.
I don't know, how do you feel? Yeah, it's you know,
I see so many different things, Chef. There's so much noise going
out there. Look, I'm obviously not some some experts on regulators, and
you know, especially the European ones. You know, I'm hearing that it's
hard to get the stuff repealed over at the CMA. It's uncommon if it
ever happens. So yeah, we're in this weird spot. I know,
Like I found out about this live when we did a game exporting tomorrow,
and I was pretty shocked by it. Especially you know, if you told
me, hey, we just don't want this really big company buying this other
big company, I can kind of get that card gaming thing is Hey,
maybe that that could one hundred percent be me. You know, Jeff,
I've been yelling at you about how I think cloud gaming is stupid for ten
years years now. Yeah, yeah, And I mean my defense there is
that I haven't been proven wrong yet. There was like a stat going around.
I don't know if this was really proven to be true or Microsoft is
saying they have like five thousand concurrent users on their cloud gaming stuff right now,
right, but if that is true, it's like, yeah, this
is like this is nothing right now. Is it going to be something someday?
Probably when we don't know? Can you really say that Microsoft, is
like in this amazing position to absolutely have a monopoly in that in that acquiring
not a cloud gaming company but just a gaming company is somehow going to secure
that for them. It seems kind of fimsy to me. The CMA might
know more about it than I do. Sure, but it's weird, but
that they made their decision. That's what happened. We'll see how the appeal
goes. The weird thing here is so Microsoft, first off, do they
need to do it go through? Probably not. It's it's going to be
another el and what has been becoming a series of els lately, and that
stuff can't turn around at a moment for sure. I think it could likely
turn around later this year. It's Starfall, but it's not great for them.
The bigger question is what does happen to Activision if this doesn't go through?
That's the company you almost kind of worry about. Absolutely, Yeah,
just start piece bills selling up. Well, we're going to sell off King
had to sew a Blizzard specifically and sell off just Call of Duty, Like,
I don't know, what do you think is going to happen? Yeah?
So like Call of Duty is is performing fine for them? And I
think their earnings came out and I looked, I just kind of glanced at
them. I didn't look too closely at the Activision's earnings, but it did
seem like they were doing well in terms of what they were expected to do
for that quarter. Um. But the problem with Activision has always been the
long term prospects, where one of these years they are going to miss a
call of duty and that's going to be a big blow to them, and
um, and that was going to be this year, but they like scrambled
and got together, so they're actually gonna release a call of duty this year.
But that is eventually the eventually that's going to happen and um, there,
that's going to be really a tough thing. And then okay, well,
what do we have to sort of replace that income for that year?
Probably nothing? Well what if it happens again, do we have anything in
the pipeline? No, there's nothing else in the pipeline, And the only
other things that might make sense are some blizzard stuff that are far from a
surebet at this point in a way that they once were like it's probably gonna
be da before and that's coming yes after that, Like, look, at
some point there will be a StarCraft three that'll be something we haven't even heard
about that yet, So yeah, I don't know. But what it really
comes down to is is Activision Future is pretty bleak and it doesn't look like
it's going to get any better because no one wants to go to work there.
They were already a toxic workplace. They were already people already do not
want to work under a Bobby Cottick lad you know initiative in general. But
then they also went to back to full in office work and and so you
can't go you can't work remotely when many other studios and publishers and giant developers
have adopted that as this is just normal, this is the way it has
to be, this is what the people that are working in this industry want,
And so Respawn is like, if you want to work remote, you
can work remote. And they're going to launch a game this week, and
it has its it has its issues, but it's also by all accounts,
a very good game, and probably what I've played of it so far,
it's it's it's really well done. Um Bungee is all is completely remote and
people are putting out you know, destiny expansions for that game like about once
a year, and it's hard to be like, Okay, I guess I'll
go work at Activision instead of one of these other at this point, more
premier studios, studios that that have a better track record of at least trying
to acknowledge that they when they've messed up and trying to treat people better and
are continue to move in that direction. And so the thing he was like,
Activision is like also kind of doing these things because they were going to
pull the pair of the pull the parachute and get out of this and seldom
Microsoft. But just just like because the deal falls through doesn't mean there's something
to be like, I guess we got to treat our employees better. I
imagine things get worse and don't get much better, because it's going to get
to a point where they're like, all right, we've run out of runway.
We don't like well, we'll try to make some bets here and there,
we will try some other stuff, but this hit driven business is really
hard. Maybe it's time to just squeeze as much value out of this as
we can and then sell it off to some other company down the line.
When we've done that, and the and the whole mess is kind of fallen
apart um if if if Bobby Cottick is kind of stuck in that situation,
I think that's what he does. And so when I see people in the
comments be like, man, an acquisie means many people are gonna get laid
off, You just do not understand the reality of actors right now. If
this deal falls apart, they are going to lay off a lot of people.
They absolutely are. And that doesn't mean like, well microsof lay Yeah,
So yeah, to me, that's a wash, Like, yeah,
that's a good point. Microsoft probably will lay off people, only lay offs
out their acquisitions all the stuff. Yes, but Activision is going to lay
off people because they're gonna be like, well, one of the ways we
can make this make sense is cut costs. And so it's like that is
not some that is like a a straw man argument that is just not worth
like being like, well, well, we know that's gonna happen because we
know the other way it's probably gonna happen as well. And so yeah,
like I think Activision needs this, and I don't know what their future is.
They're going to be in rough shape and it's not gonna get much better
and they're not going to be able to attract the leadership to turn it around.
So yeah, this is gonna be rough for them. Yeah, I
guess what to see. We still have to see how this appeal is going
to go through. It could be weird. And hey, if the US
suddenly comes out and those regulators also say, yeah, we want to block
it too. I mean, ye have two people going against you it to
appeal two of these, then it really is gonna feel like it is just
dead. Huh yeah, I think so. That's why it feels like it's
so stacked against the deal going through now is because they haven't even gotten a
pro from one of these three big regulators yet, and they probably want to
get at least two out of three before they start thinking of like alternatives of
so. I mean, the idea would be, let's say the UK and
the EU did approve it. The FTC would kind of be left with no
choice because they don't have a lot of muscle to enforce things. But if
Microsoft was feeling it from another regulator, well then they can be like,
well deal with us on this stuff. Because you've also got to deal with
them and let's come, We're gonna kind of combine our might here. The
FTC alone probably would would struggle with that, but with one of them already
kind of stopping it and the FTC already suing them, that makes it makes
it very unlikely. I think that this actually ends up going through and yeah,
oh well, then it's time to like figure out alternative strategies. If
if you are Microsoft, I know a lot of people are like, well,
this is the end of the road for for Phil Spencer or whatever.
I think that this I think we've we've talked about this story so much that
it feels like the only thing that matters to Microsoft. I just it's probably
not the case. Do you think that they would just rebound and like try
to find somebody smaller to go and acquire then, or is it that we
just hunkered down really focus on what they have? Yeah? I think they
probably make a cup. Yeah, they definitely make it. Some more acquisitions,
different acquisitions, yeah, but probably more focused. Probably something have focused
in mobile al though, what do you buy and mobile? I have no
idea. Yeah, it's ro ViOS are gun. Yes, all the ro
ViOS are gone and all the robos already have dance partners. The eggs I've
already hatched. You can't tell them. Yeah, those birds already angry.
Um. And yeah, they'll keep spending that money because that money just sitting
there doesn't make a lot of sense. So and game developers are still a
pretty good investment for the most part, especially if you're a company like Microsoft.
So they'll keep doing that. But I think they also will sort of
come back and really think about the games that they already have in the works
and maybe hopefully give them the attention that they seem like they need, um,
because that they you know, we don't know, we said. We
say stuff like, well, that's got to be two separate developartments working on
this deal and working on all these games. Yeah, it probably is,
but at some point, like there's got to be a little bit of a
distraction if I, like you recognize that, hey, everyone's just worried about
this deal and we're over here working on this game and no one's checked in
or whatever. Maybe maybe that's like heads We'll go back heads down on Perfect
Dark and Fable and all these other things avowed and get those in perfect shape,
and that can turn everything around on its own. Yeah, the people
who are supposed to get read fall sixty frames per second. We're too busy
watching our shows. They're really focus on that. Sorry, everybody, y
those laws lawyers can't code. Yeah, I mean yeah. But like Matt
Booty and Phil Spencer are involved in like these deals, and like that's been
sort of the issue of for a lot of these games. It's like,
hey, like Matt Boody's got so much going on just looking after all these
studios. Is it too much? Well, is it too much with all
those studios and this deal that they're trying to get through. It could be,
it could be, but we don't know. Yep, we don't know.
Okay, we certainly aren't picking a side here, so please don't ye
at us this week, I think, but a few weeks of that,
everybody. I don't know how much more I honestly don't know how much more
even had to we get sound about this, But yes, I'll beg you
please, I mean yeah, And there's people there they are just gonna They
almost certainly don't even listen. They just get mad, and they listened to
make soundbites and then and then come and yell in the comments where's x spot
Killer. I don't know. I'm miss him though. I want to know
what he thinks about this. It was George Foreman. I was sad about
that. He thinks we're big Sony shows. Now I forgot George Will George.
We went him over for a bit. But uh, yeah, then
we we said we talked about something bad about Xbox. I think we talked.
It was the yes, yes, sorry George. Yeah, we'll get
you back when next time. Armored Course six is coming out August twenty fifth.
Did you see this trailer? I didn't actually see it, Like I
said, I woke up in a panic and had to rush over and then
after that was just working and then got these drinks. But I saw the
release date. I saw you say that you were surprisingly getting souls like vibes.
I don't want to oversell it. I just like Grob says, it
is almost like confirmed what I said, Yep, exactly. Uh, It's
just when I look at it, it's like something about it still feels like
there is some souls like DNA in there, more than I was expecting.
But that's it's not an actual souls game. Um, you know, definitely
a part of it's just like the way they're presenting the boss fights. Look
the way a Souls game presents boss fights, well, one thing to carry
over, I mean, come on, right exactly, So I think they
will be informed by some of that stuff. It almost certainly is not going
to play like one of those games. Actually, that's that's what. There's
not gonna be bonfires. Um No, But what a great August game.
Man, that's uh, it's it's so funny. Very few times you say,
man, that series really made it big on the sixth centstry. These
weird circumstances. That's what arm Records seems set up to do here. I
mean, there's no chance this isn't the best selling Armored Core, right,
this is gonna be the best selling Armored Core by far. Oh almost certainly.
I mean you can't. You almost like mess me up with your game,
miss mornings pull of. Is it going to sell more less than five
million copies? Because you want to be like it's from software? Of course
you will, But then you're like, it's Armored Core. What is the
best Armwored Core ever sold? Like one point two million? I don't know,
Probably even that would be surprising. Yeah, that'd be surprising. But
yeah, I mean from Software is the actual brand here, not Armored or
U, and that's going to be huge. Yeah, I can't wait.
I think that trailer looked phenomenal. It looks really again, it's the same
thing as the CGI trailer. The art is just otherworldly perfect. It's so
good. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Unintendua will be a
games com this. We didn't talk about this on on Less than ten Ducks.
This happened after that, right, We talked about it somewhere and then
I mostly turned it into a joke. Yeah, game this mornings, Uh,
they're just you know, this is the thing where there they might have
new games to show because the other games that we do know about will be
out by this planks. This is um September. This is gonna be in
September, I think or August something. I think it might be August.
But Pickman four and Zelda will be out by now. And what's coming out
from Nintendo after that, Well, the only game we know is coming is
Metroid Prime four and we don't know when that's coming. Um, yes,
and that's you know, maybe that's games come Probably not, but maybe it
is. But they probably have other stuff coming later this year, almost certainly
that they will want to show off at this thing, and they probably announced
that at some sort of maybe it's a direct mini, maybe they have something
like that, you know, a partner showcase and then some YouTube drops and
Twitter drops, but probably a direct. They probably have a direct between now
and then, and then they have their September directs. You on this,
I remember that's long ago. Yeah, man, I feel good with my
reasoning and logic because, yeah, they there's got to be some kind of
a big game this fall from them, and we had to find out what
it is at some point. Yeah, and so, and then being at
Games Come, I think really lends credence to that line of thoughts. So
cool. I'm getting pretty excited because I was kind of shifting into and that's
it. It's going to go pretty quiet after Zelda. Yeah, Pittman Force
coming. Yeah, they'll probably have one or two things for the holiday.
Nothing major. Um Now, it's like I think anything is possible. Um
so yeah, like Kevin Garnett, Like Kevin Garnett, Yeah, anything.
Yeah. I never thought I'd be on a boat. Is that a boomer
thing? Now? The Lonely Island is only island for boomers only. Yeah,
I should do We should do a mount rushmore of boomer games and not
elaborate on what that means. I love it all right, Yeah, that's
good. Next week, everybody. Yeah. I have a couple more things
I want to say, and none of them are related to anything. One.
Happy birthday, Greg Miller forty years old. Happy birthday? Uh?
What a what a nice guy. They had a really good stream. I
kind of funny today he took a chop from Xavier Woods. It looks great.
You know what, Jeff, Back when I was really a nobody,
I'm still nobody. When I was an absolute do buddy, Greg was still
like really nice to me then, and he was still Greg Miller back then.
So I'll always love Greggy. I want to wish him happy birthdays.
Went to say that, uh, And at second off, what the hell
was that song you played in the front of Last of the Ninten Dogs this
week? The most atrocious, ear destroying, lippity blupity thing I have ever
heard. If you ever do that again, I'll walk Okay. I think
it was a Commodore sixty four chip tunes makes sense, and I think that's
why you don't like it, because the Commodore sixty four. To be clear,
there were other comments and normally I'm like, you know, normally in
the comments like I'm here to defend Jeff Grub because he hoped to be making
money that I'm like, no, get his as that's terrible. That's my
boy. Jonathan Dunn, who did the music for RoboCop for Game Boy in
Pictionary, he got it started on like the z X spectrum and the and
the Commodore sixty four. Hey, do we say z X spectrum or do
we say ZX spectrum because we're American. I don't know. First before the
nes I kind of don't care. Cool, thanks, thanks for the yes
ending um, and then you're welcome, buddy. Uh yeah, Jonathan Dunn's
great. Uh, I understand what you mean because that Commodore sixty four chip
is it's it's rough. It actually, yeah, it's rough. Also not
a Nintendo song for our Nintendo podcast. That's okay too. I was just
okay, all right, you know what, it's ocean software, dude.
There was a lot of Ocean software stuff on there. It is in the
spirit never mind, You're right, fine, I understand Commodore sixty four is
pretty pretty rough to listen to. Yeah, I think I sent me one
those Commodore sixty four minis and I think I had zero fun with it.
Man, that's blast against the Commodore sixty four. You want to talk about
boomers? Man? Yeah? You uh, it's okay. Yeah, you're
gonna be just in the Commodore sixty four's life. Huh. This is it
is you coming down on it hard. I'm going I am here to put
you to a permanent end. There. You got everybody there's get mad about
this week. Actually only boomers will get mad at us about that. So
okay, Now I said to third unrelated thing. I've been thinking about this
all day. I want to put the robotcop outfit on. I want to
walk into your house, go to your kids. Yeah cool sif we added
the youngest one, look at her and go your move meep. I tell
you you do that, dude, that one of two things is going to
happen. She's gonna scream meep louder than you've ever heard, or she's going
to cry. Um. Yeah, both great outcomes, both really fun.
But you made a child cry. Kids cry all the time. Top of
what they do. Yeah, crying is like their main occupation in life.
Uh, people would think I'm a monster because my kid will just like scream
and cry, and I'm just I'm no selling. It's so hard. Of
course, who cares anymore? After a while. Well, it's like it's
it's like not good to acknowledge. It's then they're like, well I get
what I want, and so I'm like, no, fuck, look this,
I'm try, Jeff, I'm tired of you taking the show off the
rails. Can you please get to another news talk I'm trying. I'm actually
not sure how to do this transition that you put me into, Mike.
Somebody die? What is it? Basically Way Points shutting down over at night.
Yeah, you feel pretty bad, Mike. I didn't shut them down.
I love Waypoint. I've always loved Way Point. I love their podcast.
I love everybody over there. They've also always been very nice to me,
and they were doing great work. They've been doing cool stuff with the
subscription service. You feel like, oh man, that makes it like more
viable, and then you realize, yeh. I'll tell you one thing I've
learned. Corporations don't do not care about that direct subscription stuff. What corporations
care about our sponsorships? They want those big money drops all at one time,
and it's h and so it's like if the way Point was just too
cool to live apparently, um I think gaming will be worse without Waypoint.
They always brought cool perspectives, cool criticism, They had great conversations. I
hope everyone over there has a way to continue of voicing the you know,
to bringing their voices to gaming one way or another. But you know,
you I saw Patrick was like, you know, listen, Yeah, if
people want me on as an editor, I'm open to it, But if
a developer wants me, I'm also open to that. It's like, yeah,
man, he's been doing it for twenty years. Yeah, It's it's
a certain point. You gotta you gotta look like where is there to grow
to know? He still looks like he's twenty five, But man, yep,
I mean he started when he was a kid, literally a kid.
He was like fourteen or fifteen and had his dad taken to E three.
Still like he's been doing it for a long time. It's nuts because like
I have been like, oh, aware of Patrick's career since he started out
as a kid basely, Yeah, he's always done great stuff. And you
know Austin, a bunch of them were doing great stuff at White Point.
The whole thing is major bummer. And as somebody who's in games media,
just seeing places like this drop like dominoes, it's concerning, it's kind of
depressing. It's weird, this sort of duality of Back when gaming seemed to
not have as big of a peel, we had these sites and magazines flourishing
talking about gaming, and now that it's bigger than ever, these outlets that
are specifically catered toward toward its struggle, which is all these different platforms like
a YouTube. And you know that's why I'm glad we diver you know,
I personally with you and kind of diversifying there. Who just knows, Yeah,
what the next domino to fallover is on the media side of things,
and it's um, I mean games meet, I mean not beyond you know,
since before we don't make money publishing stories on the internet. We make
money because we run events. That's been our saving grace for a long time.
And you know, thank you know, thank god we do that.
Thank god. Dean is so good at organizing those that's how we make money.
That's what's been saving us and some of these other websites that don't do
that, I don't know because you're not getting in through revenue, that's for
sure, yep. And that's where it's like, um, like I want
to im like keep looking at ways to like bring that sort of thinking to
Giant bomb and stuff, or it's like, hey, what do we do
live like, you know, gets us in front of people, can get
sponsorships and stuff. But uh, yeah, it's it's it's it's tough to
pull off. It's a tough thing to make makes sense. Um, But
yeah, it's also just the gaming. You know, people are weird these
days. Um, it's weally strange these days. People are very strange these
days. I when I was growing up, I would be like I would
see the Nintendo Power on on the on the magazine rack, and as a
huge Nintendo fan, I would pick it up and I'd be like, it
feels like it's pandering. And I was a child and I was like,
this feels like pandering and I don't like that. And so I would try
to find the one that was the console agnostic, the platform agnostic thing,
and for me that was that was mostly Electronic Gaming Monthly or Ultra Game Players,
but there were a lot of other ones, you know, Video and
Computer Magazine or whatever it was in the UK um Game Game Pros. Sure
later, yeah, but it's like, Okay, I want to like a
broad perspective on how people are feeling about games, and I feel like,
and I who knows that this could just be my perspective where from where I'm
sitting and it looks this way. But it seems like people, oh,
for the most part, have really swung back hard toward wanting just their platform
represented in the media that they're listening to. Um. Uh, you know
the Xbox podcasts, Xbox specific podcasts have like really grown. I know a
lot of people who are on PlayStation podcasts and they're growing fast. Um it's
it's I and I don't like that kind of stuff. And we do a
Nintendo podcast, but even on that podcast, we end up push Yeah,
it's it's it's garbage, don't listen to it. But it's like that's like
the one I can maybe make sense. And even then it's like we were
kind of were still just talking about the stuff we want to talk about,
and the way we want to talk about it, UM, but it's it's
it's just kind of strange to see that kind of that shift away. And
I IgM was like a perfect examply started off in sixty four dot com is
where I first started following IM, and then they're like, okay, well
we're gonna be IgM sixty four dot com because then we don't want Nintendo fucking
coming kill us. UM. And then they dropped the sixty four and IM
and then and then IgM became this thing. It was like, we're now
we're covering everything, and yeah, we have those guys that are sociocovering Nintendo
and those guys that are sociocovering Xbox and PlayStation, but you know, it's
all IGN. And then even IG's like, like, you know, the
podcast Beyond and the Xbox podcast that sort of became the bigger things at IGEN.
It's like, and that's that arc. I think it's just happening everywhere,
and so a generalized coverage of video games feels like it's it's not in
as much demand anymore. So I know we definitely feel that over at Giant
Bomb. It's like when I go to cover in a quick look of video
game. What value is this bringing and do people want this? And it's
like, yeah, I want to keep doing it. I want to be
a place where you can come here and get a good idea of what's going
on to video games. Although that's that's becoming more difficult than ever because there's
so many video games. But in general, it's like, maybe we should
just be doing fun stuff with video games. And that's where you see our
kind of our content leaning over there is yeah, let's bring Mike on,
let's do another high rule hustle, and that could be like how we're engaging
with Zelda as Tears of the Kingdom is coming on, and it's like trying
to make that stuff makes sense and there's no great answer here. So I
think for a site like Waypoint that was so focused on on excellent criticism,
to bring criticism to people who want mostly cheerleading for their platform, that's a
rough business and I find it a bit depressing. Mike, honestly, No,
I mean, you're right, and you know, I've been kind of
joking about it, but it has been really weird these last couple of weeks.
Jeff, you know, we you know, there's one show where we
just said things about Hi Fi Rush that to be clear, like you know,
true, maybe not phrase the best way, and then lost their minds
Uh then like you know, then we're just talking about the Xbox deal and
how we're kind of surprised by the reasoning of it, and like this other
wave comes and people are coming and crapping on that. You know. I
don't want to seem like thin skinned or something like that, but it is.
It's it's bizarre to me that it seems like stuff like fanboying is somehow
worse than ever. And maybe that's only my perspective because like we are like
now you know, these bigger personalize and we're now targets of it. I'm
sure it's always been there. It is just baffling. It is still there.
Yeah, it was worse, And maybe that again is this unique perspective
that I have, especially at a time where again, these these consoles are
so similar now, especially as box of PlayStation. The only difference really is
the exclusives, and you know, you know what you like and what you
don't like. It's weird how much people have to get furious about these kind
of things in twenty twenty three. That does for the big topics of the
week, Mike uh. Although Sean noted last week that people should download Street
Fighters six because it's on PlayStation, it's now out on Xbox and PC.
So if you want to get in there and experience some Street Fighters six,
I will be doing so on UPF Tomorrow. We're gonna be playing nine six.
We're gonna have a few other games as well, but that's one of
the things we're gonna be doing on there. So looking forward to that,
Mike. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll come back and we're gonna
hit We're gonna do a Bob quiz, and we are going to do a
draft for the PlayStation. Four super chats to talk about too. Thank you
everybody to do the super chats first. All right, we'll be right back.
Welcome back real quick, Mike. Tears of the Kingdom had a bunch
of previews this week. Also, I think we are it became public that
review codes are starting to get out there, so everyone's like, be careful,
it's gonna yeah people got that. Let me yeah, not me,
not me. Um listen, I still know how many cant shines are in
Mario, and that's worth more to me than playing Tears of the Kingdom early,
Mike, So thank you for your duty. Um uh, what did
you have you caught up with any of the previews? Did you watch a
lot of the coverage or because I kind of know last thing we talked about
this, you're like, I'm good, I'm just ready to play this thing.
Yeah. I mean I watched your the Giant Bombs thing with you Dan
and Baccalar talking about it, and you know it's yeah. I'm like,
yeah, it seems great. I'm sold. I'm ready to go. And
that's basically kind of what I assumed I would be. I think it's great
that people did get a ches to play it, and everybody seems to be
pretty positive on it, even when though even still when you look at it,
I can almost understands some people be like, boy, that's sure is
just kind of looking like breath for the while, But pretty much everyone who
plays it seems really happy with it. And after playing for the while out
again, but for preparing for the hire hustle and the doing that, I
am just one hundred percent on board with more of that, and it seems
like we are getting more than just more of that. Yeah, one of
the I'm trying to think of, like some of the big key points that
came out of some of these previews. Uh, A handful of people mentioned
that the controls are cumbersome and how much do you want to laugh at them
for being old man who can't change? How are the controls the controls from
before? I saw that there was a radial menu now for picking powers.
That's new. I think it's um when it comes down to, like building
things with ultra hands seems to be the big trouble. I mean, it
was a little weird playing Breath of the while I was like, oh,
yeah, the uh, the the X button on the top of the diamond,
there is the jump button. That's a little weird. But you know
me, Jeff, I'm a Chamelion Skyrim, so I like I got I
was always used to that and like that Skyrom jump jumping not very important in
Skyrim, to be fair, Yeah, but I would jump constantly in Skyrim.
That's you're you know, you're you're special. Thank you very much for
saying so some super chats. Yeah, let's do it. Hey, we
got a couple of new members on YouTube. By the way, I wanted
to give a shout out to Jimmy Toledo. Toledo that's an Ohio joint and
uh hargie to Chani, thank you so much. Also, Diogo RP has
been a Hamilton subscriber for quite a while now, so thank you so much.
All right, well, also another linking subscriber, Halle heyman, we
got a bunch of those. Thank you Everyboddy. But here's the first super
chats Nintendo. Derek says, I'm not typically a big fighting game fan,
but tree Fighter six is World Tour mode has me sold? Or are the
chances other developers like Netheralm see that they put it into their fighting games.
Yeah that's funny because I haven't really played this World Tour mode, but the
vibe it gives me kind of reminds me of the single player campaigns that the
like Plasation two GameCube era Mortal Kombat games had that were kind of like run
around as this OCU and talk to people sort of thing, as opposed to
the really cinematic, crafted single player experiences that Neother Rome has created with Mortal
Kombat nine forward. But I think noother the Rome was going to stick to
that path that has worked out incredibly well for them. Those recent Mortal Kombat
games and Injustice have been big. I think Mortal Kombat twelve will just do
that again and it will also be a big hit. Yeah, I'm like,
I think if Street Fighter does it, a lot of other fighting games
just seemed to copy it, like as a matter of course, so it's
something that people actually like. I think that developer, other develbers definitely will
copy it. So yes, look out, look out for this in a
lot of other stuff. But like hilarious, like the Street Fighter five tried
to copy the Mortal Kombat like story mode thing that noother rome did with the
Street Fighter five story mode, and it was bad, like they weren't able
to do a good job. Detrocious, yes of course, right, but
so but that was pre Capcom suddenly becoming like God mode, right yeah they
are right now, So like we're all pretty Street Fighters six are engine yea,
yes, okay, thank you God. I'm just saying I'm just hanging
back lending you guys here a thing. Don't mind me, But who has
played World Tour Mode? Don't mind me? Jacob Bet says, Hey,
beet boys, are y'all ready for Tears of the Kingdom. These next two
weeks are going to be painful. Keep up the great work. I'm ready.
But I also like, I'm also excited for Jedi Survivor. I'm still
having fun playing old Final Fantasy games with the Pixtary Masters and playing Street Fighter
five. There are so many things to play. It's pretty rarely anymore that
I like. Like when I was a teenager, I constantly had this thing
where I would actually just kind of sit around and almost be like uncomfortable because
a game I wanted to play isn't out yet. That doesn't really happen anymore,
Like I can I could do something else now, I see you like
vibrating over there, what is he doing? The biggest one of that ever
was Kingdom Hearts Too. I would just sit on a computer and watch the
trailers and be like depressed that I couldn't play that game right at this very
I would that it's special for this brawl but came out around the same time
that where That was when I was the most ever like that, Like,
I can't believe I can't play these What do they expect me to do with
my life? Study? I am very excited for Tears of the Kingdom.
I am thinking about it a lot, but it's like, you know,
we we could say I didn't get to play it. I'm like, I'm
only kind of engaging with these previews a little bit. I'm kind of seeing
what people are saying on Twitter, but I'm mostly in a situation where,
like I will be I'm ready to play it. So when it's here,
I'll play it. And uh, it's and honestly, maybe a little bit
of it is people are playing it and I could have been one of those
people, but I am not, And so it's a little bit like command
kind of painful to think about I could have been playing I just like I
played Breath of the Wild earlier. I did a review of it. It's
one of my favorite reviews ever. And uh, and so I'm kind of
thinking about Tears of the Kingdom right now. It's like, damn it,
that's that stinks, but that like, you know, woe is me,
who gives a shit. I'll be playing it in a couple of weeks like
everybody else, and so I'm kind of just in that wait and see.
And in the meantime, like Mike said, I there are other games I
want to get out of the way first. So Jedi Survivor Advanced for us,
that's what I'm focused on right now. Doesn't mean I have to meet
your father. Yes, it means you have to meet my father. You
have that. You have a song you never heard stuck in your head now
because you had to read the lyrics that that one soun't great yep. Next
one here is from Rogers og says, if it were um two oil or
finance companies, I bet to see if it were two oil or finance companies,
I bet the CMA would be okay with it. But hey, thank
god they stopped those pesky Game Pass subscribers from playing last year's Call of Duty.
Like I don't. I don't think they're really that medic, Like,
I'm sure they believe this stuff they're saying about the cloud gaming being this important.
I think it. I think it might be a little misguided or it
seems a little misguided me. Yeah, it was in the comments like,
uh, Jeff grub is going to tell a G eight nation how to run
its economy, and it's like, uh, everybody knows that most of the
time these regulators don't really know what they're talking about. Very specific parts of
the economy. And it's like, in this situation, the way they talk
about cloud gaming, I just think they don't get it, and they don't
get people like, yeah, if you have beneficials is specialized in maybe finance
also happen to know a lot about cloud gaming. Jeff there experts. You're
right, it's it's it's it's politics. It is we did let like every
oil company merge, and we did let every previous big tech company merge.
And now we've got to change that. And so what's the place we're gonna
stand. Well, that's a big number, sixty nine billion dollars we're going
to get in the way of this thing. And that's I think that's as
much as they've really actually thought about it. And then and then they are
looking for a the crime to fit the punishment that they want, which is
to not let it go through, and the crime being violating the future of
the future sanctity of cloud gaming, and and and the end result is that
people in the UK are less likely to get Call of Duty and Game Pass
and save some money on playing those games in the future. So it's like,
well, okay, big congratulations, you did it. Stephen bioloboxes.
What's more likely Microsoft moves on from gaming due to this deal fund through,
or the deal goes through with no call of duty in the UK. You
guys are the best. Thank you, Stephen. I think the most likely
thing, as I've said, is that the deal falls through. I think
the second most likely thing is that the deal goes through with like some major
weird concessions in the UK, where it could be like, yeah, we
will have a version of game Pass for UK for UK gamers, where Cloud
Gaming does not include any of the activision stuff on Microsoft on a Microsoft platform
and they can only license it to other people, which would be weird,
and again it would be kind of like a bad deal for UK gamers,
but whatever, If that's what they want, then that's what they'll get.
But even that seems so weird and strange and tough to pull off that I
still think it's more likely it doesn't go through. Fitzer said, thank you
for your life saving advice. Last week, Mike, Jimmy Ryan loved my
Star Trek cologne so much that we platonically embraced for most of the night after
our lovely candlelit baked bean dinner. You are welcome, sir loves beans on
toast if I've never seen a motherfucker that looks more like he loves beans on
toast. Mabama says, I'm currently eating slightly melty ice cream with a small
spoon. Your right, draft you're wrong, Mike, thanks and let me
both You're welcome. I think I'm correct, though, melti icecreams gross.
Jacob Bench says, if the deal doesn't go through, Microsoft goes scorched earth
and buys exclusive and small studios and does Activision Blizzard work with Sony after this?
I don't think Activision buzz is going to be in a place to spite
blacklist Sony if this doesn't go through. About absolutely correct, and Sony knows
that, which is why they behave the way they do. Right, But
do you think Microsoft is going to buy more exclusives and small studios if they
don't get Activision buzzard king Um? Buying exclusives is a tough thing for Microsoft.
Sony can get away with it because everyone gets excited when they do it.
When Microsoft does it, people get mad at them. So when they
got to him Raider exclusive, people just got mad at them. And so
that's like is that worth the money to kind of get people mad at you.
It's it's probably not. So They've they've avoided that specific idea for a
long time because of that, and so I think they're gonna keep kind of
I think they're gonna probably look for alternatives. I think they're more likely to
keep doing bigger things in game pass. That's a tough that's a tough road
to home because a lot of those publishers don't want to say yes to that
burrito. Mike Robo, Mitchell Man, the Green, Molly's Rights is to
the top, Savage Manati and Jeff, Yeah, that's always said. Thank
you very much. JD. Camp says, you're still a nobody in my
heart. Thank you. That was Greg, Bill appreciate it. Al Grug
says, make Jeff play a commodore to sixty four game on Blake Club and
that would just be all of them and who would really enjoy that? I
could. I'll turn up the music really loud just for you. Mike,
Yeah, be fantastics. Phil Spencer says, watch your words by how you
talk about the Xbox. Look. Bill, we gotta you know, we
gotta call and likely see him here. I'm sorry. Yeah, sorry,
Phil, I know you understand. Darachi says, thanks for keeping me company,
Like this is simple. I Kia furniture for my move next week.
Moving sucks. Why do I have all this crap? Moving does suck?
It was like ox. It was the worst when, like you know,
every one of my family, my two brothers, and I were like similar
ages, and it was that age where people were moving a lot because they're
going for me in college, out of college, their first little like apartment
to their little home to their bigger home, and every time help them move.
And I was just over it. I'd like, I'm like, I'm
not hoping him want to move again, I'll give you the money for the
movers. I can't do there. My brother is in there right now.
I got so tired of moving people like gosh, I like this house.
I hope this house would do me. I hope I just die in this
house. I don't want to ever move. It's the worst. Yep,
I don't ever want to move again. I hate it. Yea and Daci.
I mean, you're gonna disassemble, You're gonna a ton of work to
get stuff ready, and then you probably still won't even have enough space for
everything for like the trucks. Just start throwing stuff out now, I mean
honestly, and putting in reassembling that Kia furniture is such a pain too,
So don't get precious about anything. That's a big Yeah, that's so true.
I mean I gotta do just a clean sleep of just getting rid of
some stuff, throwing away some of this garbage especially. I definitely had this
place. Now I'm like, why do I have a place issue for box?
Still? Who cares? Oh yeah, yes, I did get over
the speed. I love looking at boxes because it's like all the promise of
that thing. It's like so much more exciting a lot times than the actual
thing. But yeah, I've started throwing out all those boxes. Okay,
Angel Palmer says, and two separate super jets here. Have you heard any
update from your sources regarding PlayStation buying Square? Will it happen? I mean
no, like that that was always like they were having that conversation at that
time, and then Square was sort of position itself to be acquired, and
I was not the only one hearing that. There was multiple people hearing that
at the same time. So it's like, oh, that's something. It
might be there, but as as it usually goes, when we hear about
an acquisition before it happens, it probably means it's not going to happen,
like because people have already sort of been like, uh, yeah, we'll
talk about this because it's already fizzled out. Otherwise it would be a potential
SEC violation and we don't want to do that do that. So I haven't
heard anything new. I think it's more unlikely now than before, but it's
still not impossible. Jim E. Taledo says, I just bought a steam
deck. It's suddenly I keep hearing about the as ro Og handheld coming up.
Was this a poorly time to purchase? Or is this the height machine
making me doubt myself? Yeah, I mean it's a little bit of column
a little bit of com column by like that's how buying hardware goes, especially
anything in the PC realm. But I will say that, don't don't feel
that too much. The the acis rog is, the ally is very very
cool. It's very powerful. Uh, it's got a lot of cool stuff
going for it. But I still don't love the idea of a Windows eleven
native handheld For most people I think if you are someone who loves tinkering and
making and getting stuff like set up yourself, that'll be fine. But the
way that Valve has turned the steam Deck into a most mostly excuse me,
a mostly consoleized experience where it has that check mark, you're gonna be able
to turn it on. It's just gonna go. And then if you if
you go through through the community, they'll get all the emulation stuff set up
for you, and they'll use all the buttons in the correct way. And
how all the buttons set up that stuff is like, it's it's that we're
not overselling that. But I say that that's actually it rules and it makes
the experience so much better. And so yeah, I think the steam Deck
is completely fine. And most games, even modern games, run really well
in the Steam Deck. You're gonna be totally fine. The charter Wolf says,
how about the Jedi Survivor Metacritics score, Mike, I don't know if
you saw this, Jeff, It's come in at I think in eighty six.
I guess in eighty eight, you guess in eighty seven. So on
our quarterly Metacritic game at least right now, the stuff's changed sometimes you have
the point on that that that game in particular feels like one that could jump
up two points between now and the end of the quarter. He could jump
up one point also give you like two points though, yeah it could.
But I mean it's like if any if anything was gonna like skip past me,
it's going to be this one because I think as the patches come in
and later reviews come in, I think they will mostly be higher. Were
both sure we're close on that one again though, so yeah, hey,
and we usually know what we're talking about usually shouldgar Amamoto says, Wait,
why is this guy's name Tokoto? Don't worry about that, mister h our
right Goal says, do you think the cma BS is affecting hiring at Blizzard
in others? I mean not as much as other things is affecting hiring at
Blizzard working from home and lizards biggest thing is like, yes, this was
having to work in an office and then and then continuing to protect toxic people
or the history of protecting toxic people, and like like why would I want
to go work there? It's so interesting seeing like what was once They're one
of their biggest strengths, which was this every giant work there? Well that
but like this giant elaborate campus. Oh sure, yet had that? Like
they would you know, give tours of when the journals are around us.
This whole thing was statues everywhere, right, and it someone becomes this kind
of burden for them. And I'm sure part of the reason they want to
get people back to work is because, man, we're sure are spending a
lot of money for this ridiculous campus in Irvine, California. But you know
what, maybe just sell the campus. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
I think that that is the big thing. It is a real estate investment
that is going to be worth a lot less and less people are inside of
it working there, and that it is all about protecting the real estate investment,
which is just an insane thing when you think about it. Connoll Woods
says, So the CMA would let Sony by activision, huh, Who,
I have no idea. I mean, we can speculate all we want.
Um. I do think Microsoft it's a that's a that's Microsoft spending sixty one
billion dollars to acquire something. I think definitely rings differently for a lot of
these regulators than Sony. But we don't. We just don't know. And
then uh rd X son of Effete says, will Activision be okay? If
the deal fails, will call of Duty affect? All of duty will keep
coming out for the most part. Me, it's probably gonna miss year eventually.
We've said that before, and it was going to originally kind of miss
this year a kind of uh, kind of um. But yes, Activision
will be well, we'll have to have figure out of stuff out and I
don't think it's gonna be okay long term. But if you if you're one
thing from activis you care about is call of Duty, You're gonna keep getting
Call of Duty games that you're gonna be fine for the most part. All
right, that's it for the Supers. That's for now. That was a
bunch of them. Thank you everybody. If you want to send more,
we will read them before the end of the show. Again, we really
appreciate there are quite a lot of you watching a lot right now. Thank
you all so much. We should do a game. Yeah, see how
you know what. We're gonna take another quick break while we get set up
because Sean is helping us out here. We'll be right back, all right,
thank you for sticking with us, everybody. I got Sean here to
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It's all yours. You guys throw out your console boxes nowadays. I
like, well I used to not, but trust me, you're gonna have
so much stuff ted hears from now Sean, You're going to start making some
hard choices. Listen, man, I look at this box send right next
to me. I'm like, this is gonna be worth five hundred dollars.
When he says no, I'm not throwing you. If you take care of
your PlayStation five bucks, it'll definitely be worth that much because the PlayStation five
bucks is so flimsy and almost the hundreds more on eBay. If they're like,
though, I'm not, I'm just I know because you're a weirdo,
like you'll need a PS four, Well you need a PS four four.
Okay, Look I have the Pietro Jackoon Saga Kweden Bucks. That's going to
pay for my retirement already. I'm not sure that's all I really man.
Any Who, it is time for Everyone's favorite game show with that podcast Closest
to the messy pin. If it's your first time watching slash listening, here's
a quick roundup of the rules. Is a metacric score prediction game where the
guys will be given a game, a little bit of information on it,
and they need to correctly guess the current metacric score on metacriic dot com.
I say metacric enough. Yet, if they nail it exactly, they get
five points reduced from their score. If they get further away from the score
in one direction or another, they will gain a point for each point they're
deviated. As the golf pun implies, the goal is to have the lowest
score at the end of it all, gentlemen, are you ready? You've
got one rule? The good guy always wins. Bet me one last time.
I think I couldn't remember, Actually I was. I was taking shot
in the dark there. I think I won last time, So okay,
could Yeah. I also couldn't be bared to check. So I'm just gonna
say, Jeff, one last I think it did. Actually that sounds right.
I'm pretty sure you did. Mike. You will be making the first
guests here. Tell me what do you think class again? Yes, series
Zelda too, The Adventure of Link has released for the Game Boy Advance October
twenty fifth, two thousand and four, with eight eight count them critic reviews.
Okay, this is interesting because, man, I feel like, especially
two thousand and four, people were not very high on Zolda two The Adventure
of It. It's still a Zoda game. Can't be ridiculous. But I
remember those those any Es things were also really overpriced. Okay, this could
be wild, Jeff. I'm thinking a lot of different things here too.
I want to say, like seventy five. Fuck what Okay, it's literally
the number that was in my head. Right, well, thanks to you're
stupid rule, you can pick the same number, not a stupid rules,
the right rule. I'm not gonna pick the same number. I'm gonna go
seventy six. Why do we have the rule? Because sometimes I want to
do the rule? What do you mean it's a good thing we have this
rule? Sorry, and pick the exact number that was saying. O going
to do that? Okay either way. Currently classic n y S series Cole
and Zelda to Cole and the Adventure of Lank has seventy three. All right,
there we go? All right? Mike with two points on board Jeff
with three. Remember that means Mike is currently in the lead. Ray game
number two is Call of Duty Modern Warfare three, the Xbox three sixty version,
release November eighth, twenty eleven. Eighty one. Critic reviews, Jeff,
I don't know where you're typing the chat right now, since I can't
see it people making fun of him. First, I am just laying down
the law. Um, I am gone your move, creep your mind,
cema. No, that's that's just dread. That's just basically um okay,
I'm gonna go with tough because these games were getting very high reviews at this
time. Modern Warfare three I feel like maybe had a little bit. It's
hard to say because like Modern Warfare three, sure the long term tail of
that was not he that's not as good as my war Modern Warfare two.
Does that show up in the reviews? Though? Um, I'm gonna go
with in eighty eight, good old eighty eight eight. How are we like
this? The one to go around eighty I was thinking the exact same thing.
I think it was starting to like come back down to earth a bit
in terms of like critics not being in sync with just the popularity the series
was still super high, but the critics were getting a little over it,
but they were still into it. I'll say eighty nine, okay, Mike,
going slightly higher, all right. Call of Duty Modern Warfare three on
next by three sixty is sitting at a eighty eight. That means Jeff has
five points for reduced Mike, actually should have you run. It's a good
rule. Jesus Christ, he's been turned anyways, Mike, I need you
tell me what you think. Kills Zone, the original original Kill Zone on
PlayStation two PlayStation two, November second, two thousand and four. A lot
of reviews. I'm a little surprised by this one sixty seven critic reviews for
a lot of video game reviewers in like two thousand and four, there's a
fun of them. Um, Penny, shut up. Uh no, it's
lower than that, Penny. No, I'm gonna say seventy two seventy two,
all right. I am gonna go with and only because I have such
a large lead. Uh, but I'm not gonna blow it all right now,
I'm gonna go with seventy five seventy five, all right, Sol slightly
more middling scores from you guys here you don't think it did particularly well.
No, no, I don't just want does did not do well? Kills
In two wants some people back, and even then it was lukewarmish. I
want to say seventy five, okay, okay, fair enough. Well,
the original Kill Zone got a seventy cumulatively, it was even lower than you,
which means that Mike currently assists with five points on board Jeff with three.
Gap is closing a little bit there. You know, I want two
of these? Two is one. That's how I'm keeping score. Actually,
oh my good, that doesn't sound right. Well, I think the actual
official score is going to be five to three until it changes. Game number
four is Cave Story, the we release March twenty second, twenty ten.
I ours it was that late two on ton based on twenty five critic reviews.
Jeff, is your turn to pick first. I'm gonna I'm gonna go
with eighty nine. Eighty nine, all right, this was one of like
the first like, oh my gosh, they made a game like Super Metroid.
People love the I love Cave Story. I've never played it. Love
it a little too much. I think it's I think Cave Story is a
bit over it people how much they should love things. Mike, that's a
good idea. How I like it? Um, I think you might be
right, but I want to like. I think it's lower, but I'm
I think I might even be lower. But I think I have some biasers,
So I'll be safe and say eighty eight stick in the ballpark, all
right? Yeah, I want to say eighty five. Maybe I should have,
but I'm gonna say eighty eight. Actually, well, fan favorite cave
story, which by the way, basically invented at the Marnindy game not braid.
Michael is saying at a eighty nine at a boy, Jeff, another
five from your seat story to cheating like last night. I think last time
you got too as well. I'm ran the nose. Very good, very
good. Yeah, I'm very good at this. Yeah, game number five
last one here get Stories overrated now I think it perfectly rated. It's even
more overrated than it was two minutes and good time Star Wars at Battlefront to
this is the classic game, but here's the twist. Release for the PlayStation
portable October thirty first, two thousand and five, A very nice Halloween.
In my brain, every game has the same exact score. I'm sorry,
Sean, I thought you were sent Yeah, basically, Um, it's just
weird because as much as people like talked about these games later, they weren't
reviewed amazingly well. I think they were all like low eighties. And then
I feel like the PSP version's got to be a bit less than that because
it's on the PSP. I'll say, seventy eight still a good score.
I'm gonna go I'm gonna say it's gonna score better because it's on the PSP,
because I think people are going to be more impressed, and they're gonna
be I can have it on the go and this makes it make more sense,
and then the people who are reviewing it are going to be people who
are grateful that PSP's getting anything. So I'm gonna go with eighty eighty.
Okay, Well, our scores are allowed to. I can say people on
the fans things were definitely disappointed by this version of the game, because who
would have thought this game kind of sucks without a second analog stick sometimes makes
it a little bit awkward. Sometimes. I'm curious how much that affected the
reviews, though, Well, a score that's our wars be out front to
PSP ports currently has on metacraig dot com is come on sixty nine? Wow?
Nice, I should have gone way lower. I could have made up
some room here. I had the right idea. I just didn't really reflect
my reasoning and my score enough. Christ Yeah, Mike gains nine points,
Jeff gains eleven. So yeah, clearly they definitely thought that's always my goals
like some people. Mike with fifteen, Jeff with nine. That game messed
both of you. But Jeff like game in single digits there, so you
pulled out the win. Very nicely done, gentlemen, Thank you very much.
That was That was a lot of fun. Thank you, Sean.
I really appreciate it all right time. I would like to remind people,
though, since it's that time, if you like game shows around here,
make sure to check out Game Mess Jeopardy. We have a new public episode
premiering tomorrow afternoon at one pm Eastern on the channel that's Friday for anyone listening
podcast later and then, of course for our patrons, we are recording this
month's episode in the evening. Jeff, do you think we can say who
the guest is? Is it locked in enough for us go for it.
Oh yeah, it's gonna be spawn Wave. John's gonna come over and h
and destroy us. Probably almost certainly, we'll see. Barring any catastrophic events,
we should be bringing spawn Wave onto the show tomorrow. Exactly, A
big good time. Absolutely, well, thanks for lem me house as far
you guys as always, and I'll catch lair. Thanks dude, right,
thank you soon? All right, um me bringing this like that? That's
close enough. I'll organize us here in a second. All right, Mike,
should we do our draft? Can we take a small break? Yes,
we'll be right back everybody. All right, we're back once again.
This time we are going to do another draft for the PS four Xbox one
and we you generation, those are the platforms we're considering, right, Mike,
that's what we're going for. That's correct, Jeff. There's one additional
question I want to ask you, though, like, how are we feeling
about live service games now that we're really in this era? Um, I
don't know. I feel like it'd be less messy if we just they didn't
think about those, Okay, I'm fine with that. Yeah, that's fine
with me. Yeah, we can and then we can kind of call those
out as we see them, if there's any like sort of questions about them,
sure, that's fun with me. Let me move it makes me the
Fortnite rules when I'm asking here, right, Okay, that's yeah, that's
fine. Hang let me make this a little bit bigger and then move that
up there we go. Okay, let's let's get started. We have our
both our platforms, the Mikey You and the Jeffbox one, the all in
one entertainment platform or system whatever it is. We are going to take turns
choosing a game from this generation until we have twelve games each, and then
our podcast producers will vote that as the binding vote. We'll give everyone a
chance to vote though, of course, as always, Mike, I think
I won last time. Yes, I won last time, So that means
you are up first? Why am I down here? I'll fix it a
second, okay, yeah first? Um, yeah, this is terrifying.
Actually, I don't really know. I don't know what should be the first
round pick. I know what games like kind of sold the best on this
platform, and some of them I feel like don't play very well to our
audience. Right, Uh so that's a weird thing. Like some of them
are actually last gen which is weird like like Grand Theft Auto five that's actually
last gen Skyrim that is just straight up last gen. Actually, um,
how are we How are we feeling about like cross gen games? How are
you feeling about those? Um? I think if it launched on both of
them, like if you really wanted to get Black Flag, which maybe came
out like a month later, that's okay. Uh, because the one I'm
thinking of, I think, okay, this is maybe a little weird for
first round pick, but I actually do like it. Whatcher three is that?
It is that your choice? Like the Wicher three is my first pick.
I think it's the best of the RPGs of this generation, so I
think that's really important. I think it's a game people still really like today.
It's a game a lot of people don't just like they love this game.
So uh yeah, I think I feel pretty good about what or three?
Actually? Uh okay, this is why I asked, because what about
the other direction of cross gen games? Uh? Could I mean, I
say, say, Mario Card eight, if you want it's the worst version.
I was going to say the legend is Elder Breath of the Wild for
we ye, oh shit, I would like chat to actually help on that
one. Yeah, okay, that's fair. I'm just gonna I'm gonna don't
know, uh, you know what, let's um. I never think of
it as a LEU game. I don't sure. Yeah, for sure,
me neither. Um, but it is it is. But you know,
we'll just have We're gonna have the live chat. I've decide this right now
in a hang on, in a poll question, I will say, if
you did do it, I would want you to put in parentheses for everyone
you. I was gonna do that. Yes, I was going to do
that, all right, and do a real quick pull. Here we do
a while. All right, that's that's rolling out. In the meantime.
Let me look because they're probably gonna say no to me. Oh no,
let's see here. Yeah, I don't know. Some people are saying,
yes, uh, let's give it a second, because it's going to take
it. Give it a second. Um, all right, I'm looking thinking,
I'm looking at I'm thinking, no, Jeff, it's overwhelming. You
can do Breath of the Wild, all right, you should. Okay,
all right, it's overwhelming, and I don't really disgrudge it. It does
count, but I want you to say well you, yes, I will.
That's who's definitely going to Breath of the Wild. We interesting, okay,
think of that. Okay, well, good on you. Uh,
Mike, back to you while you're doing that. I chose Breath of the
Wild because it's fucking breath of the wild. Yeah. Interesting choice. Yeah,
I hope that explains my thinking. Yeah, I think I think you're
covered now, You're good, Okay, Okay. I don't really think there's
that many Mario the Wu games I would really pick now. I think most
of them kind of got better ports later on, or just got poured in
We're better It got better sequel to switch. I think a lot of people
still like Mario Maker one more. I feel like everyone was higher on it
back then. Is this right? Yeah, I'm gonna say Mario Maker.
I like that choice. Og Mario Maker. Okay, I like that choice
a lot. Um. I mean people who love Mario Maker really love Mario
Maker. Now I'm one of them. Um, I want to go with
a Nintendo strategy, you know me, Mike how that's always what I wanted
a weird generation to do that. It's a weird generation to do that.
So instead I'm going to choose Bloodborn. I'm yeah, Bloodborn, because I
think there are a lot of Bloodborn freaks out there, and I think that's
gonna help. I mean, you know, it's when I think of defining
PlayStation four games. Uh, it's blood Born, Yes it is. I
am going to have to immediately come right back and take Saccaro then, yeah,
I'm not going to mess around. That's a completely fair move because last
time you got I think like Dark Souls, and I like didn't. So
you know I'm going to jump in right now and get s Yeah. Yeah,
yeah. I think that's one of the things we've learned is you gotta
have a from game. You gotta have a from game on here. Um,
okay, it's it does feel like there are there are a couple more
big boys on the board, and I got to decide which one I want.
Um at least I think undeniable big Boys and I think and this is
a hard one for me because neither of them are really my game. Um.
You know, I do want to say, like, there are a
lot of games I know like later that I think of us places of five
in uh Xbox series X games that I know got like like Lake Gen Ports,
I don't think we should really consider those for example, like I don't
we shouldn't really consider elden Ring. No, well I was going to do
elden Ring. Yeah, god, yeah, yeah, because I agree.
Yeah, I just want to say that because I see I saw that in
chat, like, yeah, I get it. But you know, we're
thinking about you know, I know part of it is a nebulous and it's
kind of hard to really define these things that it's almost more of a feeling.
But I don't think elter Ring is really in the spirit of what we're
drafting here. Yeah, I think elden Ring came out during the next generation,
even though it was on multiple platforms. Yeah, it's hard to say,
it's hard to define, but I agree. I agree with that.
Um okay, I think I'm going to go with well, let me look
at what I got. I gotten to that got that. I think I'm
gonna go with red dead redemption too interesting, Sea. I wonder if I
can lait on that one, just because you don't like it, right,
Yeah, it's but it's like there's there's ones that I know are like headline
grabbing, attention grabbing, and I know that one's one of those. Yeah.
People. Yeah, it's a big one. It's weird because it's like,
definitely one of the best songs in that generation. The people who don't
like it really don't like it, but a lot of people really like it.
One. I think it's probably more of a crowd pleaser in general.
Maybe doesn't swing quite as high, but maybe those for people. Is Marvel's
Spider Man. I'm gonna thing Insomnix Spider Man game as is my next one.
I think maybe the most fun open world game or not. That one
feels like a really strong one because most people, more people I think just
like playing Spider Man. Then, Um, a lot of the games that
are going to be left on this list, Uh, I think that's right.
Yeah, people love It's like one that didn't win a lot of Game
of the Years, and I don't think that matters because I think it's like
it has. I think it's has a much stronger legacy than a lot of
other games that even came out that year. Um, I am gonna go
with the other one I was considering, which I was not even thinking about
Spider Man, and now I feel really dumb. Um, I'm gonna go
with God of War Okay, I think I think I think that does a
good job of countering that. It's um, I think Spider Man is still
even more popular. But I think God of Wars right there. I think
that's right. I was thinking about God of War also, and I could
have maybe done that first. Um. Yeah, it's I don't know,
honestly. Now, I wish I would have remembered Spider Man. Okay,
m there's a couple of directions I can go here. Huh. Okay,
Jeff, I think that actually we're all missing the real big picture here.
I don't think it's about graphics or gameplay. I think it's all about seasons.
That's why I'm gonna pick for the Horizon and four, all right.
I like that. I like that's my next one here, all right,
probably probably, I feel like one it has to be maybe the most popular
racing game he's supposed to talk about. I don't even know that. I
don't even know what, like what racing game I would really counterpick with at
that point. Um, but I do. I'm gonna wait on that one.
I think I can get away with doing that one later. Yeah,
excuse me, Um, I could know that's that's we you know. Um,
well, no, I'm like trying. I'm like trying. I'm trying
to think of like because you just branched out into racing games, and I'm
like, okay, should I be thinking about other genres? I could begin
plugging the whole of Um, I think I'm gonna go with an RPG,
and I think I'm gonna do Persona five. Yeah? What did you pick
persona five last time? Did I? If I did, let's not count
it this time? Should we? Okay? Because I'm okay because I can't
remember. I think now that you say that, I feel like I did.
Yeah, I think you might have no get checked because that person that
place store our list, right, that was funny. Yeah, we could
just like look at that, right, we just put we put that in
our You retweeted it? Yeah, didn't you text it to me? You're
like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's right here. Yeah I did.
I didn't do it last time. I feel like I did a persona
like that. But I must must have been a personation so far. I
think persona fies. Fine, then no, you okay, all right,
I'm gonna Persona five then that's pretty good. Yes, I think that's the
one. Yeah, I think that's the big RPG at least that should Yeah,
that feels right. Oh okay, I m hmmm. I'm gonna wait
on that because it's not it's not it's kind of a counter pick, not
a sexy I don't think you're gonna also right, Yeah, we're right,
that's what. I'm also in that same zone with a lot of the things
going through my head right now. Yeah, I okay, I'm actually gonna
go, oh yeah, this route. I'm going to pick a fighting game.
I think probably the biggest of that ennition. I'm gonna pick Mortal Kombat
ten. Mortal Kombat ten. That's another crowd pleaser that's gonna go. I
know, it's like maybe because a little mix, because like nine, ten,
eleven are all good. This was the one that's really in the middle
of that generation. I know. I liked that one quite a lot because
it kind of almost stood on its own, Like eleven has a weird time
travel thing. Nine was like the big reboots. Mortal Kombat ten was just
awesome. It really felt like, oh, Mortal Kombat is like the biggest
thing in the world again when that came out. So yeah, I feel
good about Mortal Kombat. I think for the rest of my picks, for
many of these peaks, I'm gonna go with ones that I know have their
own fan base. I think that is a good strategy. I think it's
like it's instead of trying to plug genres, I'm gonna go with things that
I know if I were to go online and search for it on Twitter,
there would be people posting fan art, and that brings me to near Automata.
Fuh, that's a good pick. I think. I think that is
one where it's like, oh yeah, there are people out there that just
live and breathe nero automata in a way, that's a good pick that like,
Yes, especially I think at number seven or number six, I think
that's I feel good about that one too. I think that's a very good
pick. It is one like just like wasn't thinking about as much as I
should have. Uh between a tough spot. That puts me in a tough
spot. Uh, okay, maybe I need to pull from myself a little
bit here. Wait, m okay, I do kind of have a similar
thing I can do here. Man, I just thought of a good one.
I'm like, I'm not sure it's it's gonna play anywhere before late,
and I'm afraid you might take it otherwise. Yeah, I need to check
something real quick, excuse me, Yeah, no problem. So for audio
listeners, uh, the Mike e you and that's of course Mikey with two
Eyes is the Witcher three, Super Mario, Makers, Secco, Marvel,
Spider Man, Fort's Rising four, Mortal Kombat X, the Jeffbox One.
The all in one entertainment system is Zelder, Breath of the Wild for we
you, Bloodborne, Red Dead, Redemption to God of War, Persona five,
and Near Automata. That is, we are officially halfway through. We
both have six picks left. All right, First, I have a question.
Yes, am I allowed to pick Hades? Huh? Hades came?
What? What? What is? Hadies out on its places? Four?
Xbox one Switch the Like Layer series x S was overwhelmingly saying yes. So
yes, man, that's a good one. Give me. Yeah. Wow,
that's all that's yeah, Holy smokes, Okay, man, fucking love
Haighties. God love Haighties. Okay, that's really that one. May have
saved prospects. Yeah, that's again, that's a really a strong pick at
that point. Okay, Um, I kind of feel like I don't have
any other choice. I've been sticking with the strategy of like games that I
know have an audience, and that's not it doesn't lead me to many great
thoughts. But well, no, I'm not gonna do that because I think
we kind of did that last time, and then that these consoles straddling ones
are weird. Um how many we have left? We have a five picks
left. Um, okay, I'm gonna save that one, and I'm gonna
go with one that I I'm not as sure about as I was with the
last one, the previous injury in this series, when I thought was a
good pick. But I still I'm gonna go with it and hope I get
similar returns A Batman Arkham Knight. I don't feel miss, I don't.
I don't think miss. I don't think so. But it's I think it's
um locked it in big mess. I don't think so, but it's I
don't think it's nearly as strong of a hit as Arkham A City was last
time I picked it. You know, people kind of a down on that,
Yeah, yeah, but I think but I think people have mostly turned
around on it since Hollow Night Okay, that's a good one. That's a
really good one. Man, I was not I've never even thought about Hollow
Knight in this one. Let's go fucking go. Thanks, just churned around
the last two minutes here, let's go all right now now I'm thinking thanks
through again? Resident Evil seven? Okay, I can't I feel like that
again. Ones that I know have an audience, ones that I know have
a following Resident Evil to remake. Oh that's a good one. That's a
good counter pick two mm hmmm. Um, all right, we have got
okay, is it already just three left? Man? Yeah? You have
four left? I think I have three? Go off, that's right,
okay, thinking I want to say that one for the end, maybe I
m hm, does that play? Now? I think it plays now?
Now, I'm I got a four left. Let me see if I can
think of my four and and kind of get confident that you wouldn't pick one
of these? Um, what do I have in terms of multiplayer? Man?
I have I don't like. I just don't like my options for that.
And it's like, I don't know if that holds up in a way
like that. People today would be excited to pick console because of that.
Um, and it's like a weird one. Uh. And you know,
I think I one counts live service, so when we wouldn't be able to
do it, Um, I'm gonna go with Titan Fall two, I think.
Okay, I don't Yeah, yeah, good, I think yeah again,
I know a lot of people like that game. I love it so
but I think a lot of people like it. So I think that's pretty
good. I mean it's pretty strong. H that is pretty strong. Uh
Oh, fancy seven remake. Oh that's a good one. That's that is
a really good choice. And I was then two remixs and that's like and
I wasn't even thinking about remixes at all. I didn't have them like the
lined up like that. Yeah. But I mean, if if I get
rid of the resible to makes not call that, get rid of that rebake.
I don't want people thinking I have to be rebakes. It looks weird
like that. Get the brand DEAs appropriately, Okay, sure, yeah,
we respect brand branding here on this show. Um. Oh, Monster Hunter
World, that's good. That's fine. I mean that's does that break our
live service will not? Really? You're fine. I think I think it
has to be way more closer to Fortnite to be a live service game.
Yes, and that's nothing. That's not even close. Uh so what we
have? Um two two left each right? Yes? Okay, um okay,
uh uncharted for uh yeah, this is I mean it would have been
weird if we left it off, and this would have been weird. And
I don't know, I know our like I feel like our audience. It's
some people turning and started. But God's probably my favorite of the place's exclusive.
I think a lot of people do still feel that way. I love
and Charted four. Um, Like, I want to pick Rocket League that
has turned into a live service game, but I don't think I don't think
it should really count. It's a multiplayer game and that's how people play live
service game. But then then it's like we can't choose any multiplayer games because
they were all kind of turned into that during this generation. Like, um,
I think that one is man, that is that is just is that
not just like pure life service to me? I mean I'm looking at Chat
and I mean I mean it's still be a live service now, but it's
like, um okay, but that's what people are gonna think about. Then
is it as a live service game, like, well, that's a forever
game. I can't play forever. I don't know. I think my gun.
I really think it should count because it's like it did you get the
chat doesn't just say should uh should Lee counts? We'll see where it goes.
All right, Okay, that was a paid game. It's a little
weird to me. It's a little weird to me. We'll pull that baby
up, which is good because I need time to think about my last one.
Anyways, I'm gonna vote no. Um okay, okay, let that
cook a little bit. You think about backups here? Yeah, I think
about some other things. Um No, Now I know people are freaks for
it, but I don't know about that. All right, but it is.
It's going towards no. So I'm gonna in the poll and choose something
else. All right, So no Rocket League? Okay? Um, all
right. In that case, I'm gonna save that one. Then, I
mean maybe instead go for mm hmmm, I'm gonna go with fire on them
three houses. That's a switch game. Oh that's right? What am I
thinking? Yes, you're right? What what is was? Was there?
There was one? That's right? I'm thinking about there's yeah, there's no
the fire emblows shamagummy tensey Yeah, yes, um okay, but a good
one. Yeah, it would have been would have been very good if it
was a good one. Ums right, get fired. But Warriors, Yeah,
that's that's a switch? Or am I wrong? Yeah? Was there
even one of those on you? I don't think so, I want you
think it was Higher Warriors Highro Warriors. Yeah, let's say. Uh,
I kind of want to do that one, but that's you know, I'll
just I'll do a Super Mario three D World, okay, which I I
adore. It's weird because, like I, I don't know, I don't
know if other people gonna think as far into this as I did. I
was not that into that game until I got poored to switch for some reason,
and then I loved it. Yeah, I loved it right away.
Get you at the world, so you have all the world games there,
Muster Hunter World's Super Mario three D World. You know, Dan Rugger doesn't
even think this is a mainline Mario game. Jeff, I don't know what
you're thinking here. Yeah, but he doesn't. He says has nothing to
do with the quality, which is just also insane thing to say. But
okay, last one for me? I went to three, four or five,
six, seven, eight? Okay, oof, there's that one I
did think about. I just don't no, I just don't think it's big
enough. And I found I discovered something better for that d shit anyways,
So I think that's okay? Uh? Do I do? I you already
went against type once to get your okay? Yeah, all right, the
Last of US part two. But I haven't charted four, you know what?
No, the hell with that game? I don't want it. I
would actually rather have but do Okay, do I want that one? Because
I could pick that one? Yeah, I'd rather would have. Uh think
again, it just seems so so weird than Charter four. No, you're
no, they're right. Come on, Mike, saw your Pride? Okay?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah. The Last of US Part two?
Last US part two? Okay, part two? All right, he pulled
the trigger. Everybody, We're good? Oh my god? Uh yeah.
I feel that feels better than anything I was thinking of for my life.
I just don't like having it right after and charted four. But there it
is, sure, Um, yeah, I don't have a great one here.
There's a bunch of like smaller games. I would love to I would
love to put like Ori in the Blind Forest on here and I thought about
Ori and then I was like, I should actually do Hollow Night. Huh
yeah, and a full disclosure like the game I was like thinking about was
Dragon Quest eleven. When you did Persona five, I was like, man,
I know the JRPG freaks like Dragon Quests eleven, but otherwise I don't
know. Yeah, um, okay, I'm thinking uh or I feel they're
like the PlayStation big Boys I was thinking about too basically it. Yeah,
I feel like I got mine covered there. Uh. Like I'm always want
to do like another front game like The Dark Souls three, but that feels
like overkill. Um, I don't know. It's good for a last pick,
maybe not terrible. Secure you the from Soul's audience me if my lowly
one from software game m hmmm, I'm just gonna go with a big recognizable
name. Um, I'm gonna go just Doom. Oh yeah, that's a
great game. Doom. That's good. That's a good one. Yeah,
I like that. I think about that's um yeah, that that that seems
right. Again, there's not a lot of great picks there, but yes,
doom, I like that a lot. Actually, uh okay, right,
that's like it's one that like, oh my god, I even thought
about this when we're thinking about Jeff. Somehow neither of us picked hit Man.
Fuck I even i'd started Valley was there too, Oh my god,
one point we're done. I simply thought about him Man at one at one
minute, and I completely left my brain. I did not think about this
in time. I know when I was thinking about this, like a couple
of days ago, I was like, oh, yes, hit Man,
I'll have to pick hit Man. Would have I was thinking when I was
like about to not do the Last of Us Part two, I was about
to do Ghost of Sushima instead. Right now, Mario Kart eight, I
don't know, guys, because like Mario kait Ate, the lots is the
one people care about. But maybe it so it'll looked good in the it
would have looked it would have looked good. I thought it would have been
bad. I want to get a chance to pick it for the next one,
so I didn't want to use it here and might be like, let's
make it weird next time around. So yeah, we forgot a knack oh
America saw at five would have actually still been really good. People are right
here. I'll just give us both knack. There we go, Nah,
there you go? All right, um Sean, can you get a pull
going for everybody? Well, we'll figure out. We'll do another one.
We'll do the next one for the current generation. We could do as is
and stuff. These drafts are fun. We'll keep it happening. They are
really fun. This was a good time this time, Jeff Um, I
don't know, I feel pretty good. I'm not gonna be honest. That
was a big miss will Arkham Knight. I think I think that's what's maybe
is Yeah, But for you listen, I love this game, but Super
Mario making a number two is a way bigger mess. It's a way way
too early, way too early, way too early. I just like I
wanted a Nintendo representation, and I just don't think there's much great for we
you. I don't know. Yeah, I think that's yeah, way too
early. We'll see. But I still think I made up for it with
yeah good. I think as usually you had a better second half. I
think my Hades Hall Night Resuva two than found fisty seven, like run pretty
late in the draft was pretty big for me. Yesto would have been good.
Actually, be Attitwo would have been good. Okay. Tropic Donkey Kong,
Tropical Freeze Sumar Makers one of my favorite games of all time. But
yeah, maybe I just wanted to hurt you. That's why that's fair.
Uh okay, So let's see I will um sean you put up one in
the in the discord, I think, uh, I did think about shovel
at night. Yeah, started value was a good one. Let's go ahead
one. I can read some super chats while we maybe let some of this.
Ye, let's do battle itselves out a little bit. Here sounds good.
Let me open those back up again. Somehow I closed them? Uh
all right. Next one I have here is from a rambling entertained He says,
do you guys know where did the CMA get sixty percent cloud gaming for
Microsoft? Because from what I have read so far, they used g the
game Pass Ultimate Numbers, which bundles cloud gaming with everything. I mean,
that's that's probably what they did. But was sixty percent what I don't I
haven't seen that figure. I think they're saying that Microsoft has sixty percent of
the cloud gaming market right now. Rambling is saying, well, that's only
if you count people who quote unquote have like the Xbox Cloud gaming stuff because
they have game pass ultimate. H Yeah, I think that they are.
I think that's a weird number. And I think Microsoft might be able to
I mean, I just don't know if the appeals process again, because the
appeal that they're going to be able to make won't care about that. That
is not going to be a part of it. They're not going to want
to hear that because that's like arguing the point. They're only going to hear
if the CMA messed up. So it's like that that's a really good point.
Who's who's there to listen. I don't know if there's anyone there to
listen m or that. I mean, because if they cared about that,
they would have got that. They would have realized that at this point already.
So obviously they don't care to get that, right, Um, I
don't know. It's it's weird. Uh. Rice eat Or seventy nine says
fam fat seven remake Divinity Originals into Fortnite. So throwing some suggestions out there,
granted we do say no suggestions, uh, but I never thought about
people circumventing that with super chat, so I don't know. You know,
so why didn't you? Yeah, I mean yeah, we didn't see the
super chests still after yes, uh, Shagary Miamoto says star No, Star
Fucked Zero. I worked hard on this, look, mister Miamoto, I
like Star Fuck Zero more than most people. I'm kind of a defender of
that game. I'm sorry that everybody's a mean jerk, but it's the way
that it is. It was real trash when I played three. Yeah,
yeah you did. You did hate it at E three and Turner Wolfe says
Megasalli five, guys, come on, that game plays goutt her. It
is ums. It's just weird that whole games were to me because it is
so amazing, and it's just has such this weird stain on it for basically
having an unfinished story and just kind of this messy development. It's so bizarre
because that should have just been one of the undisputed best games of all time,
and instead it is like one of the great games of all time with
an Asterix and it just makes me feel weird about Medica Solid five In twenty
twenty three, to be honest. All right, I gotta post it on
Twitter. We'll do we will do a chat pole here in a moment,
everybody, So just hold tight, all right. Well that's it for the
super chats, Jeff. If people want to get more in we will read
them. Why don't we talk a little bit about while we're playing, while
we let some of these poles figure themselves out. How does this sound?
Sounds fantastic? Oh? Someone was running the chappol right now. Okay,
I am playing a video game called Star Wars Jedi Colon Survivor, and I
gotta say I'm not far into it, but I'm already really happy with what
it is. It It looks like a game that is one hundred and fifty
gigabytes. Mike, there's so much detail in the world. You start off
on Choruscant. You start off with all your powers immediately, so it's like
you pick up from where you left off in the last game, which is
kind of an incredible thing, and then you already you quickly get new stuff.
So it's not like they're holding back either. This seems like a game
that is going to be it's going to really tickle my fancy I'm just a
couple hours in, but and I did sit down on a quick look with
Tom Caswell from Gamespody came over and helped us out over on Giant Bomb,
and he showed me around and everything he talked about makes it sound like a
game made specifically for me. And I think my big takeaway from this so
far is Respawn feels like one of those developers that is its own best critic
where everything that was like that came up short with a fallen order, they
have addressed and improved here because they understood what those things were and what the
problems were, and they just made everything better. And that is maybe one
of the best things you can do with a sequel. It's just everything everything
that was wrong in the previous one it right here. And that seems like
they did other than the performance and the bugs, which if you know me,
you know those don't bother me too much. Um and so, and
I'm probably playing on I've playing on PlayStation five and it's a little bit buggy
and a little bit under performant, but it's not as bad as apparently the
PC or Xbox. Um. But I've I've definitely still noticed issues on the
ps five, um, and and that's that's been fine. But I mean
a lot of people are just saying, like, yeah, I had bugs,
I don't care five out of five, and that's that's what most people
are saying. I think I think that's probably the right takeaway from this game,
and we know the game will eventually get a little bit better over time.
I just if you want to wait, that's fair fair play, that's
totally fine. But I'm glad I'm not waiting. I'm glad I'm playing it
right now. That is kind of weird thing I'm at because like I could
actually be playing this game right now. I've just been busy, and there's
like a part of me like maybe I should just play some of this other
stuff until that first patch comes out, blah blah bla blah. But also
I do really want to play this game, and also like it was kind
of a ticking time bomb here until we gots so maybe I should be playing
it now kind of gets through it when I can. But me and you
both liked Jedi Fallen Order, maybe even more than most people, and all
the people didn't like it a lot, so um, you know, I
think we've both been pretty excited for the sequel, and it seems like most
people are enjoying it more than that first one, So yeah, I am
excited. Yeah, it's um it is. I'm surprised it's here so fast.
It does feel like a game that was still rushed absolutely but overall,
like like Jason Tryer had a story about, hey, this is a game
that took about three years to make. That is not something that really happens
anymore. How do they even do that? And it's like that, yeah,
that's impressive stuff, and respond just continues continues to win and pull out
big wins U and I, yeah, this is this is what I'm playing.
Now, I'm playing this. I'll be playing a little bit of Advanced
Wars still, but I am going full, full bore ahead on this and
I can't wait to see everything it has to offer. I really liked those
characters from Fallen Order, and I've started so far and I've only heard mention
of one of the characters and have it seeing any of them yet. I'm
like, man, when we're gonna get the gang back together? And I
was kind of like a little bit worried about it, but my understanding is
now the gang the gang's gonna get back together. Don't worry about that.
Well, you know, sometimes like one game to the next, this has
happened. I can't. I'm like struggling remember any examples. But the cool
character from the previous game, well now they're just sort of like they work
at a place and you can go interact with them than from Mass Effect two
barely in three Yeah, right, exactly, yes, that situation. And
uh and it's like I gone throng because things Star Wars. Yeah, of
course I was. I was like, that is kind of what I was
worried about here, But apparently that's not the issue or not. That not
what actually happens, even though it seems like it might to one of the
characters, No, it's not. He is still truly important to what happens.
So I'm very excited. I wish I had more to say, but
I just I just started playing. I guess I didn't mess around with the
different stances. I got three different stances now, which is um, you
know, the dual bladed the Darth Maul lightsaber, the regular stance, the
regular lightsaber stance, and then I could do dual wheeled lightsaber um. And
they have their strengths and the weaknesses. Mostly it's just like this one feels
cool in this way, and this one feels cool in that way. And
that's probably because I'm early on and I did have the difficulty turned up to
like high instead of the medium, and in combat that felt great, but
anywhere else where it was like, oh, you were, I'm taking a
lot more damage because I missed a jump because I'm an idiot. That doesn't
feel so great. I wish I could dial things in a little bit more
that way. But yeah, I don't know. I'm excited about this,
are I know you're excited too. Are you planning on doing it? Like
day one? I could be playing it now and I just haven't gotten to
it, right, That's what little bit right. And I wasn't the one
doing the review, so I just didn't get to it yet. But yeah,
I'm just maybe tomorrow I'll finally really dive in there. Yeah that's um.
Yeah, I mean tomorrow you could start streaming it too, so you're
gonna do that on your channel? A good thing? Yeah? Yeah,
well yeah, yeah, how about you? What have you been playing?
Uh? Well, actually a lot of Street Fighter five. It was on
sale and I'm like, hey, you know, like I played that when
it came out, and I was back when it was underwhelming. It wasn't
that much content. Now you can buy it cheap and get all the deal
c pretty much, so like all the additional characters and most of the costumes
for a relatively cheap price and just get it on Steam. So I did
that. I've actually been having a lot of fun with it. You know.
It still looks really good and plays really. There's a lot of characters,
you know. I was playing as Cammy as I usually doing these games,
but then I picked up Armika, who's like the the sort of female
wrestlers and grappler character. She's really fun. Actually, I was having a
lot of fun playing as her learning her. There are some cool costumes in
this game, Like you can get a Reu costume as Mega Man or the
Characterman not just dressed us Felicia, or Cammy as Joe Valentine. Also,
man, this game is really horny, way hornier than I thought. I
think it's costs. Some of these costumes are nuts. Man. I'm not
saying I don't like it, but wow, they I think they know what
they're doing. They know exactly. No know where their bread is buttered,
and they know where the buns are buttered. Yeah, I'll tell you what's
buttered by. It's buttered by everybody's thighs, yes, sighs, and and
and giant hams just hanging out of the back of their pants. Uh,
Vegas Tams. Yeah, that's yeah. I mean, so you are you're
ready for Street Fighters six? Ready to make that happen? Oh? Yeah,
I gotta still check out that newer demo. But this is a good
chance for me too. You know a lot of people been yelling me to
do the deep pass out of the Analot six. So I've been playing this
with the dpad game practice. God is that when six comes out, I'll
be really ready to go. Okay, that's I'm gonna be playing that tomorrow.
Like I said, um, there's there's a lot of games, still
still a lot of games, and I'm it is hard to just focus on
one, but I'm forced for It's easier when it's something like you know,
Jedi Survivor. But uh, it's still like, man, I wish I
was playing that and that and that. I wish I could talk about this
and that and that. Um, but yeah, anything else, Mike,
that's it. I actually need I need to know one. Okay, uh,
Sean? Do you do you have the results? You want to hop
in here or if I can get them to you right now? All right?
Sean is here? Sean? Tell us what's happening? All right?
So we asked the podcast producers in the discord to vote on which console they
thought was better, the Mikey You or the Jeff box One, the all
in one entertainment system. From the reminder, this is the official vote.
Whoever wins this wins it for the week. That being said, y'all,
I don't know how this keeps happening. The winner with sixty nine percent of
the vote, as always, very nice. Nice is the Jeff Box One.
Thank you, Thank you? Mike. How are you surprised by this?
I destroyed you? What are you talking about? What do you think
you destroyed? I No, I destroyed you In the first five Pitt,
it was over. You are out of your mind. It was over.
It was I'm sorry, bread from the Wild Blood Board, rich in Redemption
to got a war and personified and then you are you kidding me? Yeah?
Then went the ship. Oh my god. People like I got Witcher
three and hey o night, Oh my god, one actually likes playing three.
This is two Naughty Dog games. I shouldn't have picked Last of Us
Part two. I knew it because no one cares here Zoda, oh my
god, prepped for the wee you. I didn't even get Rocket League,
and I think Rocket League would have even pushed it even higher. So yeah,
it's ridiculous, Like, well, that's not really a live service game.
Not really, I mean not that. Look were you okay wait,
hold up, I'm like I was about to find be like, okay,
fine, whatever. I'm a little surprised if you say you destroyed destroy you
did absolutely did not give me a break. You destroyed me with Arkham Knights
in the Resident Evil game that people don't like as much as like the other
Resident Evil game seven they definitely do. People like Resival seven fine, they
like Resival to remake much more popular. And yeah, you won the pole
on the chat to sixty four percent to thirty five awesome, amazing. I
can't wait till this series is done. I don't know why I keep I
keep like being like, well, I've no one one has a racing game.
No one cares no one cares, how thought cares. I care and
actually try to have a balanced list. And when you while you're over here,
like fucking five weep games in bad Wei you games that got better on
the Switch and Batman Arc come fucking nights which no one like. I'm the
one who defends in and everyone yells at me, where's the boomer pick for
that? You know, people are screaming boomer pick at me. When I
picked Forts, I picked Mortal Kombat ten, they said, boomer pick.
What is that even mean? A kid came out like five years ago.
Boomer pick. You know, h etelm. Mike doesn't know the audience.
He was like, Jeff has web games, how could he win? I
should have gotten Persenta five and near Automata. I was very mad he didn't
get Persona five right away. Concerning how much you were talking about in the
last draft. Those are some delicious tears. Thank you so much, Mike
for the sustenance. I hate you so fucking much. You are the worst
kids show. I just I'm honestly astonished that you can't just see it like
it's oh no, it's not even close. You're insane. Wasn't even good
until they fixed it for the switch, then just say it's just raw.
It just wasn't that good on you. It was really good. It was
really It's got better for sure, but like a little bit. Also kind
of a life service game that was cheating. Wait what is it? Which
one? Oh my god? Whatever? Any ligabod its? Well, okay,
let's see your Super Mario Makers live service games. It's constantly getting new
content. So there you go. And not that that helped you. Definitely
did I love Supermaro Maker. No one else does. First six Kames are
gonna Secord Row, Marble spidermer. No one like those Witcher three big flop
from that generation. No fans of the Witcher. No one talks about that
one whole le shit. Mike, can't take your blood pressure medications? Many
boers from the generation previous. What does that mean? Please please tell me
what you think that word needs Boomer picks? Well, Mike, I think,
uh, I think with that? You laugh? You just start playing
the music. Man, I don't know how we transition away from this segment.
No, you're right, you're right. Um, that's gonna do it.
Mike is Toko to a bunch of places, including the Looney even which
he now lives going to end up in almost certainly? What do we do
about this guy? Hilarious? How's it going? We got some more super
chats, Jeff, you can't end the show, all right, Mike reading
the super chats. Uh, let's see here now, pretty dude says one
last case of Benedict Fox is pretty cool. Resident Evil style puzzles with Metro
Vinia is great. Art is also a plus. I did I should check
that one out. At first, I'm like, I don't think any review
copies went out. Did people review because I didn't see any reviews? Maybe
it just got lost in the shuffle. Two. Do you think Bethesda is
Titan falling Red Fall intentionally? What does that mean? I don't Well,
would that mean to tighten fall something, to put it out between a Call
of Duty and Battlefront? But are they doing that? I think you kind
of can't help it tighten fall things because every so many games are coming out
right now. That's just how it is. Okay, Uh, let's see
here now and then uh, next one here is from the wolfs Is.
Mike chose Mortal Kombat ten and forts and his Shocked he loss. Yeah,
two of the best selling games from well Borrow combat ten is. It was
like the best selling non Spash Brothers fighting game until eleven. I think,
yeah, it's a big, big obscure game there. You're right, Wolf,
and no one likes forts. They don't make thirty of those. No,
why I'm doing great. I'm doing a great job. I think,
Okay, keep on going. Uh rogers Og, says Mike lost. When
Jeff picked blood Born, I just feel like there's something cosmic when there's these
two choices, like a Secro or a blood Born, that to me seemed
like they're both beloved and the very similar. Whichever one Jeff picks is what
people are like, Well, that's the one. Actually, that's the one
that matters. It could be like cool Ranch and notcho Chiese the Ritos.
I don't know which one. Whichever one Jeff picks, he picks cool Ranch
AND's gonna be like obviously cool ranches the only Toritos that matters. And I
think they known is just more like people is much wilder about blood Born than
even Seccro, which, of course so wild about that they demand that they
finally get remastered so that doesn't look like shit anymore. Yeah, I mean
they're so they're not wild about it. That doesn't matter. That's not what
people think about when they look at this list. They think about fucking blood.
People should think about it for more than two seconds and then I would
actually win, but they don't. Burrito says, Mike's gonna be okay,
he's never lost before. Yeah, you know what, eat shit, Jeff,
Why did you win a high roll hustle for what's a piece of shit?
You? Brother? Food properly putting you over. I was a worker
that the test says two Naughty Dog games. You're right? Well, was
I thinking? Who likes Naughty Dog? There are pieces of shit over there?
They make nothing but bad, froppy games that no one cares about.
Oh my mistake. Honestly, I wish I wouldn't would have one high roll
hustle in a way that was like really cheap, so that we could have
solved this for that too. A we all caught the music. You can
play the music now. Thank you for the thank you for the super chets,
Thanks for the support everybody, Thanks for tuning in, Thanks for putting
up with this, this whole entire podcast and everything that it's become a bad
set. I need a break before we do another just because you've cracked the
coat in a way I don't understand. Well, it's like, where's Miked.
He just walked into the woods one day. We haven't seen him for
seven months, six We always out there, people spot him in case it
goes to the subway, but he's got of the woods. Now. I
love you all, Thank you all so much. Yeah, thanks everybody.
This is a really good time. I really enjoy this. Yeah, we'll
be back with another episode of Less than ten Dogs on Tuesday. Well,
Mike, my wife is going to be out of town and it's gonna be
a little bit of hectics, so there might be a last minute substitution if
like my life goes really sideways, but in general, they'll be a last
of the ninten Dogs on Tuesday. A games decides on Thursday. Look out
for all that me and Mike always doing a bunch of stuff on Giant Bomb.
You guys should definitely definitely watch that Hiro Hustle if you enjoy any of
like what has happened tonight with our draft and that high rol Hustle has a
lot of that energy, and then you also get to spend some time with
Zelda and like kind of get back in the move for Zelda, right port
Tiers of the Kingdom. So I highly highly recommend you watch that. Yeah,
new Rubbo Mitch too. I thought that was really fun. Toys fantastic.
Yeah, people and people are really enjoying Rubbo Mitch. You could tell
because they're making songs based on it. There's a lot of fan content which
is fun. Thank you, everybody, Thank you everybody. Yeah, dude,
yes, do the hustle because we're boomers. That's right, name everything,
rushmore Boomer games next week. Yeah that sounds good. Yeah, you're
right. Never explain, never say what I mean, just deliberate. Yep.
Um, oh, you got any plants for the weekend, Mike,
Um? Yeah, my one buddy's gonna try smoking a pork shoulder for the
first time, you know, Dave, I'm gonna hang out with there.
We're not gonna watch meat smoke all day. That's a good time, gonna
or what? Oh yeah, yeah, I think he's already got some.
I think actually, as beer, I need to bring diet doctor Pepper did
a drink between us. You can't just go off beer. Yeah too,
Right, the nectar of life as pertain of course. All right, everybody,
we'll catch you next time. Goodbye, destroyed him? I mean,
I mean how smoking meat is a bloomer thing. You all eat your blayd
boiled chicken then, all right? And beating cool hidden the zoomers, I'm
playing them off, everybody. Don't worry zemers. Don't you season your beat?
That's so boomer of you tell I see evidence that the world is around
I'm not believing a damn thing. All right, let's get this sheet ready
for that. Actually, you know what, we should get that ready to
let me turn up out. Oh yeah, I could do it right here.
Light is a bit too bright. There we go. Oh yeah,
okay, it's Phil's sitting in super chats. Phil's calling into the voicemail dump
truck like a dumbast everywhere. Ye, he's everywhere. What's Mike yelling about?
Phil? Does love us? That's true? I love you Phil.
Oh yeah, we can't out with Phil all the time, that's right.
So I'm not mad at having gym over for one night. Come on one
night stand falling by Wow, you shall you shall try to beat the CPU
on level light, Jeff, try that would be great. Wait wait,
what is it now? These three fighters sick level eight CPU is just kicking
everyone's ass. That's whole area that's going to destroy me. Then of course
no, definitely that's going to be great. Um. I love I've been
playing us so much. It's crazy that demo. I'm real hip. I've
been playing a lot of Street Fight or five. Oh yeah, real here
on mine too. I think someone's got to do it. Someone has to
do it, God knows I didn't. Okay, let's um, let's just
come back to the superdow actually you know what, like, let's come back
so much and hey no no cheers the kingdom talking. We would probably just
like mentioned those so have previews and stuff real quick and see if the quick
you did that watching you? I mean, I just said I didn't get
to play it, and I don't know. I feel like if you want
more stuff on that, like we can watch our stuff and Joan bomb.
But again, I guess people are interested and I kind of do want to
talk about it, so we'll do that. Okay, all right, watching
your stream that U baby, please don't go, doesn't mean I have to
meet your father, doesn't mean I have to meet your father. All right,
here, here we go, game, I just gonna move it down.
Actually, somebody composed an entire wrestling entrance theme for me for Rebel Mitch.
What the hell you mean? Like in two K or like an original
song. I think they made a song with all these clips of b nice.
Oh my god, there's the ducation right there. I am not still.
I still am like go, I still get so tickled of all this
stuff. And so it's fun. It's cool. It's so fun here.
I'm gon seriously to you guys, what the hell it's incredible? Yet,
make sure Dan sees this. M hm, Oh my gosh, it's insane,
you guys. I'm gonna send you to the chat here. I want
to see it. I just put it in the chat and the YouTube in
in here. Okay, um? Oh where did the fucking game? Oh
you did that? Okay? Cool? Um? All right, the combination
of rebook up voice clips in me this song? Oh it opens with Dan
screaming robo bit. Yeah a thing, Amy, I can probably bring this
into here quick. Did I get the Mega Man collection? Yeah? I
got a Battle Network collection. I saw somebody in our chatsay earlier that apparently
it already sold a million copies, which is kind of amazing for that network
collection. That's a great, fantastic Austro Day Robot robo match. Here we
go. This is oh yeah, this is gonna be my new wake up
song. Why am I dying? Sounds like an AVGN super cut. Yeah
right, there will be controlled your move. Cree about the screaming. All
right, well, listen to the rest later. That's very good stuff though.
That's incredible. Okay, like you did this, giant bomb user cs
L three sixteen must be wrestling fan, Thank you so much, three sixteen.
It's incredible. Holy crap. All right, So we are set up
for the game, Sean, are you ready? I'm ready. All right,
I'm gonna bring us back in. You get organized, I'm going to
okay. Oh yeah, he's gonna stress with his muscles. That's very true.
Okay, so fix this. Why is it doing this now? Okay,
that's why. There I go. And then Mike was pretty high,
So nope, scooch him down. Tired of cheating all the time. No,
I'll never get tired of that cheater. We listen. It's yeah,
it's it's a cheat to be this beautiful and perfect at everything. Yeah,
you're right, listen, you would know that. It's just most of the
time dumb luck for me and also that and then other times it's just dumb
because did you see how high Roll Hustle ended. Yeah, I'm I mean,
here's what you need to know is I won, except for I didn't
use my item at the right moment. I used it like just a bit
too early. If I would have just done it when I was in the
air, it would have I would have won. And instead I just completely
ate shit because I was too dumb to know how to use the item correctly.
So no, I'm not a cheat. I'm an idiot fair. Oh
yeah that's up. Well, that's up. Yeah, yeah, my brain
I was I was gonna give me. Maybe because you've been in the you
know, gaming press for over a decade now, you're pretty good calling these
things. Yeah, but I think Mike, Mike's like mentioned this before.
It's like at a certain point you can feel these out pretty well. You
know, not all of them, obviously, but it's some of It's like,
yeah, it's just didn't give a feel of what your peers are gonna
feel exactly right. Yeah, Fish and Love accident chat. Who's my dream
but still attainable guests for Jeopardy. I'm not gonna say, because I think
they are so attainable that maybe sometime this season. I don't want to ruin
this surprise. Okay, cool, let's let's make it happen. Yeah,
all right, I mean you do this. Bring up the still spencer,
please tear real game m h I pressed play a right? Ready? All
right? Hand? No? I gave you your time? Yeah, you
give you most all the time you had your mom? Where is that?
There we go? There's that? Okay, kill he's too busy for Jeopardy?
Shit? What he already killed? He three? Playing three? Yeah?
Already and Jeff have something common then? Yeah, a warrior needs to
take a nap before after killing the dragon. Okay, I am ready,
Okay, I'm gonna bring us back in. Who's playing that? What?
I'm hearing? The road Mitch song? It's playing actually played on my Twitter
a bitches music. I thought you were playing. I can't. I can't
hear it at all. Uh okay, here we go there so that all
right'll bring us back in