It's just like the old radio show with the addibility to swear a lot from
a mac of All trade studio in Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dodge J
Bram. It's bilified the Bill Moran podcast. Well, hello and welcome.
Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks for telling a friend, Thanks for
spreading the word. Danny was twenty nine years ago today. Twenty nine years
ago, OJ decided to flip his life upside down. It's the craziest thing
and it all. Yeah, and it changed. I think it changed some
things in culture. It made people famous who nobody knew it. I mean
kat O Kalin got radio shows out of it. Yeah, he was living
in the guesthouse at OJ's on OJ's property and he got a midday talk show
in La. People work their whole lives trying to get to him, right,
like like you and me and all said, yeah, no, here's
the show. The funniest thing is, like I always look back and wondered
if they're if OJ had just had the sense to just breathe and not do
this, Yeah, what would we have talked about? What would have filled
that gap? Something would have filled that gap, yes, but not to
that extent that, you know. I mean that was a huge part when
you go back in the nineties, Like if Billy Joel were to rewrite we
didn't start the fire, OJ would have to be just one verse. Yeah,
you know, yeah, probably probably very true. You know, you
think about OJ Simpson, h one of the most prolific running backs in NFL
history. Spent a lot of time with the Bills. They weren't a very
good team, but he was a very good running back. Then goes to
San Francisco, but during that time becomes the face of many products and kind
of you know, seems to transcend football. And you see him running through
airports, and then he's in movies and he's on NBC Sports and he's just
this likable guy. He was just yeah, handsome, right, just the
guy everybody loved. And then this it's like man doctor jack Old, mister
Hyde and h Leo Roth. At the time, you work for the Democrat
and Chronicle, I know, not while OJ was playing correct. Yeah,
hi guys, thanks for having me. Um. Yeah, like OJ would
have been uh he was all through my high school okay, ye, yeah,
and then through college and then so he he would have been retired by
the time I was. He retired just at the time I was getting out
of school and starting in the newspaper business. But he would come back to
Buffalo from time to time. Prior to all this, you know, awfulness
that happened, and I'm sure you probably interacted in some way. Is it
true? Danny told me off air that you might have played basketball against oj.
Yeah. Well, I certainly got against him. But when I was
in nineteen seventy five at my high school in Buffalo, Bishop Newman High he
he he came there that day to give a talk and uh, you know,
popularity, and he was. Yeah, he happened to be in the
gym early, and I happened to be in the gym, and I knew,
of course who he was, and uh, I introduced myself. We
shot hoops a little bit before he gave his talk to the students. So
that was that's you know that was Looking back at that, I said,
that was really cool. That was a great thrill. And then uh,
and then later on, as when I when I was professionally, Yeah,
we interviewed. I was able to jam anytimes. The last time I think
would have been uh in the early nineties when he was with NBC and he
was out. It was at the Bills, um the super Bowl they played
in LA, and uh he was. They always had some media day with
the brokers and all that and he and let you guys mentioned just uh,
just a peach of a guy, just a great I mean, he was
enjoyable. He was a He couldn't have been fatball than O J. Simpson,
right, Leo. I think it's so cool that you had the wherewithal.
You know, a lot of kids in high school. You maybe you're
awkward, or you're a little shy, you don't, I mean to have
the forgive me the balls to walk up to OJ Simpson and introduce yourself.
I think that's pretty awesome. Dude, as a high school kid, bro
well, yeah, hey, I was a senior. I was shy.
Yeah, no, right, but then to be able to shooting. I
mean, think about like telling all your buddies. You know what I'm saying,
you did something that like everybody in that probably everybody in your class and
beyond in that high school would have given their left toe to do, you
know what I mean. That's that. But you know what it speaks through
too, is how old? How old was he was that kind of approachable
yeah person, right, he never really you know, he wasn't that big
time guy. I'm sure many many people in Buffalo have have great recollections of
experience or those j which made which makes the whole uh downfall of his life
and his career all the more sad to people that did know him. Um,
it's really uh yeah, it's it's it's I always think of the correct
words and the only one that comes to mind is sad and tragic and such
a such a focus on all the human frailties that we all have. How
did how did this all happen? You know, it's just I mean,
and it's been the subject of many books and many documentaries, and and it'll
be I think it'll be like you guys are exploring today that you know,
what is it the twenty ninth anniversary, twenty ninth anniversary, you know for
the thirtieth Leo, there's gonna be a lot of stuff. But I'm just
curious as to you know, you meet him as a as a high school
or you see him again when you're working in media. Uh, did you
ever remind him of that time that you spend the gym do you ever go
hey, man, I once, because I probably I probably will if I
don't know if I reminder of that or not. You know what I did
speak to him, it was probably part of That's why I did have him
kind of a one on one little bit, but mostly it was part of
those as you guys know how those go, those pack pack events, So
there wasn't a lot of elbow running. I can't say I was friends with
OJ, that's for sure. The guy that I do feel badly the great
Larry Felzer, who's no longer with us the Buffalo News columnists. Of course,
he was the Bill's uh beat writer and columnists through OJ's career, and
he was the authority on OJ. And I know, I know the I
know the murder and the trials and all that. Really it left it left
Larry heartbroken because he did know him very well. And uh so that's one
of those things and and many and I mean there's so many people that must
have just because OJ was that popular. Probably it's real. It's really unfathomable
to everyone to try to put this all together, what an American story,
and it just uh, you know, you, I still can't believe because
I when I do think about his career, I mean, if you just
look up his stuff, it's just amazing what he accomplished as as a football
player. But then to also morph in culturally and to say all the careers
of movies as an actor, and then also has a number one pitch man
and crossing that divide the color line with him and just being yea, so
much what he was he was really he could have been, so he could
have been just remembered so well well, so well, it's amazing. Yeah,
you you bring up a very good point. Now, I would almost
say one that people kind of dance around a lot. But O. J.
Simpson did cross the color barrier. You're right, because even you know,
when he was playing ball, it wasn't a kind world to there's two
people who were any other shade other than white. It really wasn't. And
I think that even up into his trial, you know, you kind of
saw a racial divide in that along the way. I mean you really did.
But OJ never seemed to identify as anything. He was kind of everybody's
guy, you know what I mean. That's where I say he transcended sport.
He seemed to transcend color. Uh, if that's if that's possible,
but take me to them when this happened and you're working, like you had
these moments with OJ, right from from being very young to working as a
journalist and then having this unfold. What what does that do like in your
head? And what happens to the coverage because now it's probably there's sports it's
on the sports page as well as the front page or maybe a side column
about OJ when he played in Buffalo only because it's front page news for the
tragedy that unfolded. Yeah, well, I think it just rocked. I
know it rocked me just to the core because you're, you know, way
before I became a sportswriter. He yeah, he was the you know,
I was a Buffalo Bills fan. So he was the And it was during
that formative high school stage, you know, right fifteen sixth thing where you're
really getting into sports and you know, identifying with these guys, these players,
and and so he was that hero player. Then of course you know
then professionally to see how good of you know, he is broadcaster, then
to see how approachable and personable he was and success he had and he always
had a great he always had a great affection for Buffalo. He really did.
He u he you know, we often talked very highly all his time
in Western New York and that was a great connection. And then he and
then because he was a Hollywood I think all of us were, that was
our connection, right he was, oh Jay and he's he's a Buffalo Bill
and um and even now I think when people go out to the stadium and
they still see his his name on the Wall of Fame and they had this,
I think it's a it's a it's a connection and an overwhelming sense of
sadness and and he's hard to put it into into a correct, you know,
contextual feeling of what this was. And o jum but he but yeah,
he was I guess just rocked us to the core. I do remember
the trial and uh um of course you know this this this was after the
White Bronco Chase and all that. I remember watching all that and this,
you know, all all America. How this whole uh story was unfolding before
all of us younger people couldn't imagine today how we were glued to the TV.
I'm just wondering, how, boy, if we had social media back
then, how how this story would have been covered. Oh my gun.
But I remember the driving home that when the verdict was being in Red and
Sell my Irana and I were down in uh Cleveland, Bills had a game
there the day before. I think the verdict was read on a Monday.
Maybe it's as I can't write recall it. We drove home from Cleveland,
I mean we we we raced home to get back to the stadium in time
to hear the verdict read on television. And uh, I'll never forget that
day. And then of course it was like wow, wow he got off
and that We're like, yeah, so that was I do remember that very
vividly. Yeah, I remember, I remember we Uh. Jeffrey Tubin,
who wrote the book that the FX series was based on, OJ what was
the people versus? And I think he said, you know, you sat
through all this stuff and you couldn't believe what unfolded in that courtroom. Like
I, he said, I didn't expect and I didn't think nobody expected that
this was going to happen, he said, But looking back, when you
saw the jury, he said, I had been in the courtroom so many
times that when the jury was going to convict someone, they wouldn't look at
them. And you can almost understand that, right, It's almost like I
can't I can't even look at you when I tell you this, because I'm
going to change your life forever. Right. But they but there they were.
The jury was right, Yeah they were. You know we talked earlier
just about you know, the racial undertones of that trial. Yeah, where
and it was. I do recall that. And and and like I said,
OJ was was. OJ was everybody's like you said, he he was
every buddies person, white, uh, African American, you were, you
loved OJ. OJ was your guy. But during the and but many in
his in that black community did did were critical of OJ. How you know,
you know, for whatever reasons maybe you know how he never maybe you
know, I don't know what the proper terms would be, but they you
know, how it became a racial how that trial was made into a racial
uh subject was which was very big for his defense. Um, and that
that caused a lot, you know, that was the start of you know,
we think about things that happened, uh, and then the world will
we live in today? I'm just wondering how we could train you know,
the OJ the OLJ trial OJ. They have been the start of a lot
of these things that we deal with today. Um yeah, well all JA
was I mean, I think it was the birth of reality television. I
think that well, to see things unfold and time. Yeah, that that
was something else. And you guys have to yeah, you guys recalled the
Yeah, the trial was court TV wide coverage of the Bronco chase still,
oh yeah, still was captivating television. It is amazing. Yeah, because
even when you saw it and then it was people lining up along the freeway
Leo that mean and and they're going, hey man, the juice just went
by, Like drummer was one of them. My bad He goes, Yeah,
I was going to my way to a King's X concert. Traffic stopped.
I'm like, what happened? Oh it's OJ. Oh I'm gonna sit
back and watch. Yeah, it was people were cheering them on. Yeah.
Yeah, they were cheering for him to get away and and and everything
else. And the one document that one documentary that I thought was just outstanding,
the OJ made in America that it was an amazing uh piece. And
they really they touched on all the topics all areas well. They did because
they in that one, they go back and talk to one of the women
who was a juror and she said, she basically said, yeah, I
think he did it, but we were so mistreated in this country for so
long, and it wasn't all that long ago when he had, you know,
the whole racial riots that were going on in LA and all this sort
of stuff, that this was for her. This was sort of payback.
And it's unfortunate because you know, two people aren't on the planet. And
certainly I always think this LEO, and I don't know. I look for
patterns with people, right, If I hear something heinous about somebody, go
well, is there are other times they did something similar. Well, all
of a sudden, we were hearing more and more nine one one calls from
Nicole Brown Simpson saying that he's gonna kill me or he's beat me up again.
And because he was O J, I think that that comes with a
little bit of hey, we'll sweep this under the rug. Yeah, those
the nine eleven calls were absolutely chilling when you're still hear those today, And
that did show a sign of OJ that nobody knew right. Nobody knew right
because we all knew this nice, this nice happy fella that you know fell
down the stairs in a wheelchair in the naked gun. I got checked the
lottery numbers. Yeah, you know, you know, and I writing at
the time, I think, after the d that's an OJ's fall. I
do. While I was in there, right, everybody everybody was commenting and
writing things at the time, and I I he we call a column,
I run it. It kind of formulated my opinion on my advice to a
lot of bottoms and dads when it came to worshiping sports. Hirl was my
final message was, you know, you can respect, you know, you
know, sure of the athlete, but beware of the man. You know,
you just don't know, right, the art versus the artist. Yeah,
I think that's fair. I mean, I think there's been Uh it's
odd. I don't know how you feel about him being in the Ring of
Fame. He is up there when when you go in, uh, some
people think his names should be taken down. Uh. And then the other
is when he shows up to games. He just showed. He showed up
to a game not long enough. And I'm always surprised a little bit because
yeah, if you yeah, if you talk to most people, they would
say, I think he did it, and you know, all right,
but then I'm amazed at the number of people that get their picture taken with
him, right, hey, the Jews. Uh. But you know,
I don't know if if we're gonna say, hey, the you had a
trial by jury of your peers and this is how it turned out, then
I guess we have to you know, if you're gonna accept it for one,
he got accepted for all. I don't know. Yeah, that's it's
very even yewold point. How we have to we have to say, okay,
our justice system. Of course he was convicted in the civil trial,
and that the family our gold to gold, I said, I didn't nobody
has ever collected I would think much as much as if at all. Yeah.
Yeah, and the way and then I'm the ways. Uh, you
know. It was just really depicted many times in places how his life just
firled after that. Yeah. Words, um, but the arrest. He
did spend a good amount of years in prison for the you know, the
robbery of the number billion and all that. That was absolutely our episode.
And then there was a lot of clips of him just just a just being
worried. You know too. You know, I was life with just a
boxery where it's just really really low. I'm not sure what you know,
what you know you guys have thought about Oji. I didn't think, you
know, be a subject reminiscing about today, but yeah, he you know,
I'm not sure. Maybe you guys know more of where his life is
today and what he is doing. He's in the middle. What is the
seventies five? I think he's seventy one, and I don't know, actually
you could be, but how old he is? But he is on Twitter,
he's about seventy five. He's a little I think he was a year
older than my father. Yeah, and my father would have been seventy five.
Okay, so he's around that. He's he mid seventies and he's living
in Vegas, and he goes on Twitter a lot, and he comments and
all kinds of things, including President Trump's indictment, where he's given his extolling
advice, saying I was told never to talk about it enough. That has
great lawyers every day, league yea, even Rabbit Shapiro. He says all
this on there, and then he goes into who the bills should be looking
at a running back I'm not kidding, Leo, this is real. Would
you like, yes, you know what prolled his soul crazy upside down?
And so nothing surprises me about social media, you know, I mean OJ
Will would it shuck? Anybody would have shot you guys if he ended up
with some show somewhere, all is forgiven and he's some kind of celebrity.
Again, Well here's a celebrity, only in a strange way. Yeah.
I mean he's very he's more notorious now than I guess famous. But yeah,
I uh would have surprised me. Yeah, I think in this one
it may only because we all lived. I mean the world really stopped.
I mean they interrupted the NBA finals. Yeah, you know, he got
the big screen. They were they were two well Patrick Ewing and a Ki
Malajuana, like little guys in the corner. And I lived to Buffalo and
Buffalo w GRZ channel two. They didn't even show the game. They're like,
go to the Erie channel if you want to watch the game. Yeah,
we're just showing OJ. Yeah. My father and I were there all
night watching that. I was, uh yeah, I was on the radio
at CMF and I think it was ninety four. Yeah, because I was
I had just graduated college, was just graduated from Saint John Fisher and I
was working and I they wheeled the TV in for the Bronco j I mean
we were you know, it just it Prizza's Yeah. With social media today,
you know some but he might do. Somebody might have videotaped the murder.
I mean the way, the way you could have had a doorbell cam.
You're right, you could have been all kinds of things that that would
have absolutely put them away. Bill Bellamy used to have a joke, why
didn't they ask the dog o Jane? Yeah, and and and sadly,
yeah, the fallout him tray, I mean that's all that. I guess
the best word, and it's been often, it's it's most accurate. It's
just a tragedy. It's a tragic and at so many levels. Yeah,
and here we are. I just that next year, the thirtieth anniversary is
going to be I imagine a lot of a lot of retrospective as we're doing
today, ahead of time. But yeah, I um, yeah, it
touches touches everybody in different ways. Um and um. You can't help but
feel that overwhelming sense of what could have been, uh, for him and
how how his life has been the last thirty years. Yeah, well,
um, it's really really something um kind of think about. He he was
you mentioned the motion he was really he was good. He was talking about
being on top of the world. But the fact that you just never know
anybody, right, You just never know. No, you know, Leo,
do you miss deadlines so to speak? I don't mean with oja kind
of deadline, but deadlines for writing, I don't. I do miss uh.
I missed the newspapering. I missed Uh, I missed the colleagues and
miss you know everyone right that we used to work with and hang out with.
Uh. But I'm so grateful that I had my time and newspapers were
really newspapers, and uh, not much is changed in that industry. Sadly.
It's hard. You know, a lot of stuff, a lot of
stuff is happening. So I'm I have peace for that. You know.
I was hoping that I probably would probably still do you know. Yeah,
but you know I was left all with us money, medal, medal with
other talented people, and it's uh perfect. It was kind of rock that
way, but it's pretty good. So I'm I'm the kind of person.
That's when done, I moved on to other stuff. So and it was
I feel grateful that I had the time I was there. Wow, wow,
boy, that one quick. But do you write anything now? Do
you do any a blog or do you do any writing for yourself at all?
Uh? No, I don't. I do a little work for football
magazine, all on sports. That's about it. Uh And then now and
then I'll I'll hop on Twitter. But that's about it. No, you
know what, it was just like boom, I'm um, I haven't picked
up, haven't written a thing since I think just been three years. Yeah,
yeah, good for you. And uh man, I'll tell you I've
been spending your summers down in Watkins Glen when you know, with family and
stuff, is wonderful. The Seneca Lakes beautiful and you get over to the
I like the racetrack, but not necessarily for the NASCAR and ask. I
mean, it's a great event, police, Don't get me wrong. It's
a fantastic event. It's just it's so crowded. But I like the Ferrari
Racist when they're there, it's lighter crowds and you can get a little closer
to the action, even as just a fan than he can a NASCAR and
NASCAR has to have the restrictions because it is so popular stuff. Yeah,
every to have some kind of car. They do. It's great. And
then have you ever been able to run to drive the old track, which
is yeah, I know, I do. I have driven it, just
can't you know, casually because you could just get the map and drive it
and it's amazing. It's just an amazing experience. And people don't realize you
how they run and run through the streets there. It's like how the guys
didn't die. It's car pass. Yeah, those are car pass that's riding
on. They have a big every year. What month is it is?
September? September. They do have a big car celebrations down here and they
run through the streets again. Yeah, it's just it's just ceremonial. It's
not a race, but all all different cars come out. It's quite the
event. It's it's really h people should come down for that. It's great.
And um, I do I do. I'll put a little plug and
I do. I do run a ponto boat tours on Tenneca Lake. That's
my new uh side gig. Really yeah, I got a boat. I
got a boat and I take people out on the rides two hour trips around
the lake and dropping back off and yeah, I have I really enjoyed that,
meet people from all over and yeah, so yeah is it U?
So if I wanted to go, let's say, LEO, I'm down there
and I want to impress a lady in my life and absolutely can I bring
is it byob? Can I bring a bottle of wine on the boat or
is that ring? Yeah? You can bring uh anything you want, uh
food and beverage and uh, I take I do have a sunset cruise where
I provide a complimentary bottle of wine. But then wow the other times.
Yeah, so it's uh, it's worked out. I went after a couple
of years of a couple of years ago, I went and got my coast
Guard Captain's license. So I'm but you know, I'm a officially which sounds
funny to me to this day, but I'm a and officially a coastguard camp.
You have. It's funny, right, but sportswriter, the sport Coastguard
camp, it's very very odd. Um, so how does someone book that?
You can go on my website, which is very simple. Uh,
Leo's pontoon boat dot com. Oh wow, more simple than that. Right,
I'm pulling it up. I'm pulling it up right now. This is
you got to google it up. Ye call it up. Let dot com
all one word boat dot com. Okay, let's see there it is.
Yeah, there it is. This is great one. That's a nice looking
pontoon boat. You got the captain chairs in the back, you got the
nice round table. Wow, that's a big pontoon boat. Because I have
friends that have pontoon boats, and I actually have had a race on Quca
in pontoon boats. There may have been alcohol involved. I don't want to.
I like that idea, and I let my final let my then twelve
year old son takeover race the boat. But that Wow, what a nice
boat, what great pictures. This is a nice website. Man, who
did this? You didn't do this? I actually did that myself, Leo.
I gotta use my I gotta use my my media skills, right,
they come in handy. You know, there is there is life after the
media. Get guys. Can I say something that Leo did on here that
I think is very smart? Leo has there's four ladies and hats I don't
know why. There you go. You gotta have a lot of bar party.
They're pretty party popular. Yeah, and then couples and this is great,
Leo. I love this. Yeah, you know what, We'll plug
this a couple of times. Leo's Ponto boat dot Com. You go down
to sen again. Where do you take off from? We leave right from
the village, Marina, right the harbor. Hoot, there's a go on
harbor Harbor. Yeah, the Glenn Harbor Hotel. Yeah. Yeah, we're
right at Marina. Tick people up there and we go out, trick,
there's a brewery next right next door, hor says brewery and will you yeah,
and we go out and we go out from there, and it's did
you take did you take all the pictures? Leo? That those actually those
are on my photos and everything. The sunset one with the glass of wine
and the holder is yeah, absolutely perfect, the flags, it's what will
right come on that you did a nice job. I'm like really really impressed,
which sounds shitty of me to say, like, wow, really,
I don't mean it like that. Hey, yes, oh there's kind of
He's got a picture of Captain Leo. Click on about the boat. This
is great Leo. So it's been kind of yeah, it's been kind of
me trying to you know, I had to become a little bit of a
businessman, a marketing guy. Yeah, all kind of stuff and I and
it is like a a little part time gig. It's not a full time
thing, but I have a lot of fun with it. It meet people
from all over. Is this your dog that's in the picture. So I
don't think they I welcome Pat, you know, pet, They're welcome your
dog. Yeah, and then your dogs. I think that I think that
was some clients dogs. We had four dogs on there at one time.
Wow it Now, did you go out on the fourth of July? I'm
seeing firework pictures? The fourth I take that was actually with my own family.
Okay, well that makes sense, that would do that too. Come
off for the Yeah, but you know people might. Yeah, I usually
I block out days for my own And do you allow do you allow people
to jump off the boat? I'm seeing people in mid air? Yeah you
can go. Yeah, I'll take you. I'll take it to a spot
where we can swim. And uh, Seneca is cold coals deep. Yeah,
it's the deepest lake in the Finger Lakes. It's like six it's well
over six hundred feet in some places. Yeah, and yeah, you resually
got to wait till July before you can go swimming. So now, yeah,
here's the one thing that I think is kind of the captain. Leo
says, Captain Leo. Right, and there's a picture. Leo's got a
mustache and he looks very nautical. I get a real Jimmy Buffett vibe from
this picture. Oh really, Yeah, Okay, I like that. I'm
I'm a big Jimmy Buffett fan. I really like Jimmy Buffett. I like
that. I tell you what, when you met you, when you get
when you when you get that chance you can capture that key West. Yeah
kind of feel people go nuts for that. Well, you look happy,
You look happy and relaxed, like this is a cool guy. I'd love
to have him charting. Like then I hit the about me and there's Leo.
No mustache, right, Leo, no mustache. It's just the Yeah,
if I'm gonna get a tour with a captain, he's gotta look like
stooping. I got Well, thankfully I'm not there yet. That's uh that
very good, Leo. I'm glad you brought this up. This is what
a cool thing, and good luck with all that. I'm sure you probably
are booked h maybe through the summer or most of the summer already. Yeah,
I got I got bookings out through June and July right now. Yeah.
Good and yeah. So it's so like I said, it's not every
day you go. You can go on the booking button and there's a calendar
there, okay, and you can see what days I run. And that's
you know a lot of times I'll get a booking and then as I don't
feel like doing the other one, I'll block that time slot out and I
try to keep it, you know, to two a day is the most
that will do. Well. It's kind of nice because you get to choose
and it's not you know, and you like doing it, and this is
your boat. You on the boat and all. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
I owned the boat and uh and and all the other. Yeah.
So it's been that's been good. You know, he had. The victim
was getting the captain the captain's license, which was quite that was quite challenging.
It's a it's it's a expensive task. You have to take and study
it all that good stuff and but that was fun almost I got that out
of the way. It was it was, it was good. And then
you start the business, the LLC and all that, and then the and
the marketing and so it's been a real education for me and so it's been
Yeah, it's been enjoy Well, I'm glad to know about this. Leo's
pontoon boat dot Com. Very good, Leo, real pleasure talking to you,
man. Thank you, Yeah, thank you Leo. Hey yeah,
hey, y b Dan, this was great. Yeah, thanks for thanks
for remembering me at the sight out of mind? Nah, nag. Who
can forget Leo? Right? Leo? How about sell me? Ron?
Has he forgotten you yet? Oh? No? I still talk to Sal.
Yeah, I know Sal. Sal always spoke very high of you.
We still talk to Sal all the time. Yeah. I feel bad.
He's the only he's like the last man standing, you know. He's he
just he just works his call off. He does he really he's really uh
yeah, he's he's he's you know, he miss is every I feel bad
too. He's like he's been like guy left, you know, and he
miss is always everybody that used to be there. So but he's he's uh,
he's keeping it going, keeping it going, well, tell him to
come down and do a story about Captain Leo and then yeah, he's been
on there. I'm sure photo the photo, you'll see him and his wife.
Okay, great, I will do that. I will do that.
Thanks Leo. Hey, guys, thanks a lot. It was fun.
Thank you Leo. Good luck with your show. Okay, all right,
but bye, Wow that this is cool. That was like, I mean,
the OJ stuff is interesting in his perspective. How cool is it that
he played basketball or it wasn't one on one? Yeah, I thought it
was like a celebrity game, you know, media versus whatever. I didn't
realize what it was when you were telling me. That's how I pictured in
my head. But I really liked knowing about Leo's Pontombo. That's that's hysterical.
I didn't I didn't know you were doing that. I but he's but
here's the thing, like he never said he wasn't gonna say anything about it.
I don't know why, all of a sudden, he's like, can
I give yes, of course, give a break, Yes, Leo's pontobat
dot com. Yeah, that'll be a cool like afternoon going out there in
the summertime. You know what, maybe we do a little bilified out.
Yeah, it was still a podcast from Leo's pop Tubo. Well, we
could do a podcast or we could just go have fun. Yeah we could.
We could just go have some fun. H Oh, there there is
there is sound his wife. I see him complaining about something. Nah,
he's always his wife is so lovely. He's a really lovely All right,
we will We'll take a moment when we come back. What is OJ today,
What is he doing? What is he talking about? We will let
you hear him in his own words, and then just some of our perspective
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I might have a number, but I'm not sharing it. Yeah, I
don't know what he said. You were unbelievable. I think said unbearable.
No, I think he said unbelievable. Okay, yeah, well you know
anythink Yeah, well okay, I mean I've still had visions. I think
I had dreams about that guy, the naked naked oh, the naked yoga
guy. Yeah. He was talking about the UFC UFC guy. Yeah that
punched the old man in the wheelchair. Yeah, yeah, that guy.
If you combine their powers, that would be really bested up. How are
you gonna stop this guy? Hey? Man, the world is your gym?
Man about outside? They thought it was a judgment free zone, but
apparently one Florida man was put to the test. O J. Simpson yos
truly still out there. Yeah, I've been playing OJ I have been.
I is he still offering a reward to find the real killers I was having
I don't know. I had a conversation. I tried to set an expiration
date. I tried to send him a message on Twitter. I think it's
turned off. I don't think you can send oj M would probably not you
can comment on the videos, but you can't. And sometimes the comments are
absolutely priceless. Yeah, people, right, they really are. But I
remember being very torn because there is something in for me, for me as
a human on this earth. So comical about the fact that O. J.
Simpson can get on a camera and talk like it's it's it's fucking unbelievable.
And yet if we are to say we put our trust in the justice
system, and the justice system work. And OJ was found guilty in the
civil trial, but not in a trial that would put him away. And
then he sort of got pod just to the extreme on some kind of Trump
the bullshit stealing his own merchandise back kind of thing. I don't even know,
kidnap. I mean, he went away nine years. That was That's
a long time. It could have been sixteen. I mean it's been a
sixteen well thirty three was the sentence. Yeah, they think that would it
would have lasted sixteen at max. But I think most people were I mean,
if they did something like that, yeah, I think it's like two
years three, So I really do, I think, but I don't know.
Uh so, But again, none of that justifies anybody. And I
you know, Nicole Brown Simpson isn't here, and the Goldman family is grieving
somebody and never got to see what would have been a life for their son.
So you can't. I don't know how you justify any of it,
but OJ does, And so my being torn is I don't want to follow
OJ on Twitter. I may have today and then unfollowed them, thinking that
I could send him a direct message because I was like, can I get
you on the pod? I get you on the podcast. I even sent
Kato Kaylin a message, Hey Kato, Yeah, I heard three loud thumps,
three loud thumps? Yes, would it sound like he's pounding on the
freaking stand? But uh, you know, these guys became the household names.
But so OJ getting on there, and then when you listen to OJ,
he makes sense. Yeah, and he talks football and he knows that
he's sharp. Dude, Like, yeah, you could be a double murderer
allegedly and still be smart. But it's odd. So here's OJ the latest
as of the taping of this episode. Hey Twitter World, yours truly here?
And I was always my favorite when he opened up Ay Twitter World,
it almost sounds like a parody of Oja, and he does that you know
what I'm saying. Well, scrolling TV today, some things jump right out.
What boy, no, no, no out? Like in nineteen ninety
four, Show up right now when is the Donald waving what is supposedly secret
documents and even admitting that they weren't declassified. I don't know if we're bluster
or not. All I know is that cannot help him. Um, I'm
gonna share some advice. Now. If O. J. Simpson came up
to you and said, I'm gonna share some advice, well, I'd listen.
Oh yeah, yeah, I would take it, but I would listen.
Yes, okay, I'll always listen. I think that's a valid Yeah.
To do it, you have to evaluate. I think, like god,
I would go, oh my god, what is he going to say
back? Yeah, like, what is he going to say that that?
If you were coming to me for you know what I'm saying, I got
advice for you. Take your beer early at the Bills game, don't wait
until the first quarter that I got from some of the greatest legal minds of
our generation, of my lifetime, Defite Bailey Alan Dershel with yeh did they
get paid yet? Johnny Cochrane, Mom Sapirou the Great Very Ship and Peter
Neufield, Malcolm Laverne here in Vegas. Uh. The one thing they all
told me and stress to me, okay they all told me trust me,
is you didn't do it right. See. Well, what do you think
they told him not to do? Keep your mouth shut? Yeah, do
not talk about the case publicly. Do not do interviews about the case.
The Baker's threatened to quit if I did that. My point is, I
don't know if Donald's lawyers are stressing this to him. If they're not,
they should be firing. He should sue them, or he should cut the
heads off. I mean, because there's a like heads will roll literally in
any of them. Let's get the sports now. He sounds like an opening
segment on Wham in the morning and now the sports because I hear they're looking
for people to do the anchor the show on TV or I just joke radio
radio Yeah, yeah, not a sports Yeah. It was like quick.
It was always quick. If you would have told me three years ago that
Delvin Cook Ezekiel Elliott, while still in their twenties, would be looking for
a job, I would have said, you're crazy. Now I know that
everybody talk about the devalue the running back position. They have the value the
position. They've just devalued having one running back in that position. I still
will argue that King Henry Say, Quon Barkley, Nick Chubb, McCaffrey,
I would argue that they would tell you that they're better the more they get
the ball, and they would prefer not to be, you know, replaced
on any down. I know I didn't want to be replaced on any down.
But those two guys are great running backs, and I know the Bills
have got a couple of smaller guys. One is Cook's brother, so I
don't see them pick it up Cook Let's they want to share the position with
his brother. But other than Harris, the other two backs they ever kind
of small. They're fine, damn play I'm talented, But to me,
the main thing you want to do in Buffalo is to protect Josh Shallon,
and you need somebody's gonna pick up those two hundred and forty pounds. Monsters
are gonna be blitzing, and I don't see those younger guys doing a great
job, those smaller guys doing a great job on that. When I know
Ezekiel Elliott would Ezekiel isn't one of the best past blocking running backs I've ever
seen. Plus I think he catches the ball. We know he can catch
the ball. Plus I think he's still got popped in his running game.
Delvin Cook is still a threat. There's no doubt about it. He could
score from anywhere on the football fielding Literally, I would say, honestly,
any place that these two guys go to, despite them that the value in
the running back, they're gonna be a better team. Wherever any one of
those two guys go, They're gonna be a much better football team. I'm
just saying, the Buffalo take on look at these guys, take care well
the story, just saying they were taking a look at Execiel Elliott for a
while and they decided, no, it's not worth it. And I think
they'd all like consider Dlvid Cook, but he wants, he wants to get
paid. And no. I mean, like the thing about the running back
position in today's game. In the NFL, it's a pastic league. So
the running back doesn't just run through holes. He has to be able to
come out of the back to them to catch the ball. He also has
to be able to pick up the blitzers on second and third and fourth down
if they go that far. So I mean, he you know, if
he's not just about that's why these guys get replaced. Some of these guys
can't pass block, you know, to save their lives, and so that's
why they get pulled on third down passing situation. So Mike Shanahan kind of
ruined it for everybody when he realized, you know, anybody could play this
position as long as you have the offensive line mine to hold it right.
Yeah, Well, because anybody that's coming, I always think, you know,
how good you have to be to suck at the NFL right, right,
and and some guys just get in the right situation. We'll never know.
And rightfully, so, if Josh Allen had ended up with the Jets,
or Josh Allen had ended up with any other team that was not a
coach by Andy Reid or McDermott type, you know what I mean, And
that all these other coaches are good, but sometimes it's just the system isn't
Ryan. You have to have a match where you land in the draft.
It's just as important as how good you are, you know. I think
if if Baker Mayfield hadn't landed somehow in Kansas City. It was a year
later after Mahomes was drafted. He'd be a different quarterback right now, he'd
still be playing for the Chiefs. But he landed in Cleveland, and he
had three different coaches in three years and just screwed him up. But he
wasn't that good to begin with, right, Yeah, that was and over
overreach. Uh. O J. Simpson though, twenty nine years ago.
I look to see there a lot of reference to him in rap songs.
Oh yeah, yeah, but this is one. I've never heard of this,
but I think it's from a year ago. It's from somebody named Josh
Stanley. It's called O. J. Simpson. Just listen to just a
little bit of it, like cool Jesus car there is no Jesus. I
guess this is a serious song. Okay, I don't get it. No,
am I missing it? I know. I mean, maybe he's try
he's tried to deny that he did something stupid, and maybe he's talking to
his girl. Yeah, I don't recall. I don't recall messing around on
you. That's a figment of your imagine. A Yeah, there's a let's
see there's jay Z the story of o J. Yeah, do you know
that one? I've I've heard about it. I don't know what so I
mean, these are all just think about like this Doctor. I think Doctor
Dre and ice Cube tried to do one too, they back in the nineties.
Rock Nation presents the story of Oja from jay Z's album What going On.
In the song I'll stare in my headphones light nigga, niggah, nigga.
Okay, maybe he's talking about the guy in Buffalo. Just uh oh,
we'll take care of that. But then, what do you remember?
Because you were so I was fourteen going on fifteen. The first thing I
remember is um I was off from school. It was exam week, and
since I had gotten straight like straight, like my grades were all in the
nineties, I didn't have to take any exams, which was awesome. So
I get home and I'm watching TV and all of a sudden they break in
the afternoon and say, O J. Simpson, Oh no, O J.
Simpsons ex wife and boyfriend have been murdered, and I'm like, okay.
And then the next day on Sports Center, the lead story wasn't OJ
Simpson. The lead story was Mike Tyson being denied parole the first time,
that was the lead story. It wasn't Ojj's like, oh, there's no
way this guy committed a double Hamas. And then they did a little digging,
and then when he hires Robert Shapiro, all of a sudden, he's
like, oh, oh yeah, that's a criminal attorney. Supping's up.
And then the wheels started turning and my file he goes, they found blood
in his car, Danny, he did it, And I'm like, no,
not OJ, come on, it's Oja. I'm fourteen. I think
there's no way this guy every thought. And that's what I've learned the first
adult lesson of my life, which is, you never really know somebody.
No you don't. Yeah, you never really know somebody, yeah and so,
but you don't always stuck me so odd to that point. But we
did find this out, right, We found it out. We heard the
nine one one calls from Nicole. We heard how she thought he she feared
for life at times. We heard about her sister testifying things that she knew
that OJ had done, and what her sister had told her, or what
she heard put in a safe deposit box and or I think this sister even
witnessed some things, right, and yet after he's acquitted most to Miami,
he's got a girlfriend. Yeah, he's got a fucking girlfriend. What you
gotta be kidding me? Like, could you imagine going to your family?
Listen, my boyfriend's gonna come over. You may have heard of him,
sweet guy, sweet guy, great ballplayer back in the day. Oh my
god, it was amazing and we loved a lot of his movies of who
is usy OJ Simpson? I mean, can you imagine, like would you
sleep with one eye open? Can you feel that trusting? You must really
believe that that person didn't do it? You have to fully believe that,
or you just really are desperate for the attention. And I think some people
would even, you know. I mean that's that's like soul selling to date
that I don't know if if people became known, I mean, look on
social media now you'd be it would be quicker and easier to get known if
you were OJ Simpson's girlfriend. But I remember seeing like OJ on the beach
and it's like aerial shots on the Inquirer or whatever it was, and I'm
like, he's got a chick and he's got Yeah, OJ and his girlfriend
and maybe I saw a video somewhere and I'm going this is insanity to me,
Like how can it was? I'm gonna saying that's like ninety seven ninety
eighth. Yeah, the trial had so I always like question those things.
But court TV came out of that, Yes, OJ, I think reality
TV came out of that. Cato Kalin got multiple radio shows. Yeah,
if hecame a celebrity, he was on he was like that B celebrity.
Did he do a surreal Yeah? I think he did us in real life
maybe Hollywood Squares With. He also went to Doctor Drew Show. I think
he ended up in like rehab he did. I think he was on Doctor
Drew Show at one point. You know what else came out of that.
Horaldo Rivera resurrected his whole career. Tonight OJ Sipson like Fox News was looking
for content and he was just doing OJ special every night and that became a
thing. Like it was just like like you know, Maury Povich is always
you are not the father, Well, Horaldo was like because Horaldo had gotten
a bad rep and he kind of gone away for a while. Al Capone's
vault into nothing in there right right, and so all of a sudden like
OJ was like used to resurrect his career. Fred Goldman, I don't know
if you know this. You you were working in radio at the time.
Fred Goldman had a radio show here in Rochester and wham, Yeah, Jeff
Hollett went to him and convinced him to like do a radio show, but
he didn't like. I don't know if he didn't like doing it or if
it just didn't work out. But that that spot that I think eventually became
Bob Lonsbury's, but he was doing a mid day talk show. Yeah,
you know that was just exclusive to Rochester. Yes, yeah, yeah,
they had a couple of people. I think that they tried to launch nationally
out of there. I think the Who's the Delilah Delilah too, Yeah,
Delilah came out of here. Yeah, and then uh and then you go.
Man, there's some stories about it. I'm sure. I'm sure.
I don't even need to Yeah, it's broads and radio. It's people in
radio. They're fucked up, daddy, I know they're fucked up. JT
the late j T Away told us they're all for crazy. Yeah, but
they're just you know, uh Goldman having a radio show. Yeah, I
mean there's only one purpose. Yeah, you know, it's because you're daughter
was brutally murdered by having your son excuse your son, Yes Goldman, you're
right, brutally murdered in the by you know, somebody who was beloved,
a beloved sports figure that transcended the sport O J. Simpson, Right,
Uh yeah, Johnny Cochran became a national hero. Well see, those guys
were lawyers and stuff. I'll just say, you kind of can't. And
then Kato Kaylan is a good example. No matter what you do, you
can't just put people in front of a microphone and expect because they'll run out
of story. Yeah. Well right when they try to give him a radio
show, I always think that they did it just proves it doesn't matter.
Yeah, I go on, I go on a stupid radio ramp. But
I wouldn't. I would say with anything where there's a microphone, not everybody's
gonna always have a story. Not you don't we all live on the planet.
Not every day is the most exciting day of your life. Yes,
right, but if you are good at pulling things out of people and you
can facilitate and you can do things. So is Kato Kaylyn gonna be a
guy to lead? No, but he could be a guy that that's on
your show. But I think like the initial thing is we got Kato,
like it's it's interesting, but that interest fades when there's nothing beyond that,
that's when it dies. That's why a lot of times, and it's not
always the case, but a lot of times comics don't do really well in
the radio because they're the same act right every city, same act they set
and they phone that set and refine that set, but there's not so much
in the moment stuff. And when you find those guys, I would think
Tommy Mulat being one of those guys exception. Yeah, there's a rare,
rare rarity in a gem And I think Artie Lang was like that for Howard.
I mean it was a real, real, like diamond. It was
like they always had something funny. They just see everything that way and it
wasn't so much an act. It was kind of who they were. Uh.
But so I always go, man, you know people fucking guys like
Kato Kayla, what the hell go Well, it's like the time they tried
to give Richard Hatch a radio show after Survivors. Yeah, before it doesn't
work. Um, but o J. So twenty nine years ago today is
when we found out about the murders. Yes, and then was it twenty
It was the day the night the murders were committed. It was a late
night night, okay. And then we so we don't find out about the
murders till tomorrow and tomorrow morning and then he does the run on the seventeenth
is how we go that many days? I think it was the eighteenth.
It was a Friday. So so the twelfth was the day the murders were
committed to the thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteenth, Okay, it was
the seventeenth. The seventeenth was the day where, like everything in sports happened
at once, the World Cup had started in the United States. Yes,
the Rangers had their parade after breaking the curse of nineteen forty and winning the
Stanley Cup. Arnold Palmer had played his last US Open round that day,
and Ken Griffey Junior became the youngest player too. I think hit like four
hundred home runs. And while the broadcasters in Kansas City are talking about it,
they're talking about OJ being on the on the run. He hits one
into the drink at Kansas City. It sets that record and then this it's
like the nuttiest day in sports history. While OJ's like driving. There's a
thirty for thirty about it on ESPN. If you get an ESPN Plus you
can just pull it in and watch it. And but yeah, that's and
that's the day that OJ decided to take. It was supposed to surrender at
eleven o'clock in them, Yeah, and then of eleven o' clock becomes one
o'clock. Saw this, we all thought it was guilty. Oh yeah,
yeah, I mean why else doing that? Yeah? Right, well yeah,
most people I would think like, why are you doing this? And
at the same time, I don't. I can't imagine his life after the
trial for the last twenty nine years. It's probably gotten better after coming out
of prison now. And I mean you saw him up the Bills games and
people are like picture of the d Yeah, I know, right, okay,
uh, but I would think like immediately after, I wouldn't really want
to leave my house often, right unless I and I would want some kind
of security around me. And people get bold and you know it's got to
be expensive being O J. I'm not I'm not kidding, Like I don't
know how he does it because I mean, like he's not he doesn't have
any endorsements. He only gets The only thing they couldn't take from him was
his NFL pension. Right, and so after the UH he was found liable
for the murders in the civil case, he had to pay something like thirty
three million dollars. Right, He's only paid like like a fraction of like
a nine hundred thousand or something like that. I don't even know. So
they created all these shell companies where he could hide his money. Okay,
so there was no way for OJ to like you that you could take money
from OJ. However, he was still making money as OJ Simpson doing memoir
billion stuff. I don't know like how he's making money now, Yeah,
I mean, is he still like doing signings and going to places because he's
he's like landlocked, they think in Nevada. I don't think he's going anywhere.
No, I don't think he can't because he's on parole. Nobody goes
out and plays golf and stuff. Yeah, yeah, unless he gets a
permit or something. He was in Buffalo last year or two years ago.
So but I mean, yeah, I don't I don't know, but uh
but yeah, I mean I my grandmother and my father and I watched that
trial from start to finish, like every day, coming with three o'clock watch
OJ. You know. But we think OJ kept my grandma alive. She
gave her something to do. She she was obsessed with OJ. When the
prosecution would get up there, Oh he's guilty, he's so guilty. He
it. Johnny Cocker gets up, you know, Danny, I don't think
he did it. I don't think so. I think he was framed.
She was like a seventy eight year old woman. I mean, yeah,
I just go back and forth. But I mean, like it was fascinating.
But but the chase, though, the chase was like except that where
we were all like glued to that television. You said too because you were
on the air, right, yeah, I mean when you do a play
by play. H I think Bowl might have been on the air and we
all ran into the studio, or maybe I was on the air because it
was a Friday night, so it might have been transitioning from him to me.
And then I think for the trial and stuff. I do remember that
was when they brought a TV into the studio when they were going to get
the verdict. Um. Yeah, it was just something that you kind of
remember exactly where you were and what had happened, and uh, it's bizarre.
It sad. And I would love to talk to you with Jeffrey two
at some point because you know, it'd be interesting to see, like what
was it like to be in that courtroom and you know you're a young reporter.
And I did hear him describe ones going when that verdict came out.
Man, the oxygen left the room. People couldn't believe it. Yeah,
and he was and he was sitting directly behind the Goldman's mister Goldman remember his
daughter, His daughter just like screaming and crying out. But then they show
all these other people around, like the country listening on radios and stuff in
LA and it was like, dude, this giant cheer. Yeah, and
it really really showed you. I think a divide that we we white folk,
I'll put it that way. Didn't know about I don't know, right,
And I think I know you were too young, but I think most
people had no I didn't pay attention. Right, we didn't. I didn't
have to pay Attending's good, right, we didn't have to pay attention.
And I think that it was kind of like then I opened her well,
Rodney King had just happened. In fact, that that series, the FX
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It starts with the Rodney King beating. Yeah, that's the very first scene
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now I'm like, I don't want to be late for Jim class because mister
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that he was not guilty, and half the gym class was like, whoa,
you know, he didn't I told you he didn't do it. And
I'm like, that doesn't mean he didn't do it. It just he was
found not guilty, right, Uh. And then he wrote the book if
I did it, If I did it? Yeah, yeah, all this
just such strange stuff. And I think that was an attempt to make money.
Yeah. I wonder who suggested that. It was, I know who
suggested it. His daughter told him, you know, you only want to
set the record straight on this, and it was, oh gosh, Simon
Schuster, I think was the Uh. I don't want to I don't want
to be smirked the name of the publisher. But there was a publisher who
got a lot of crap for publishing this book and the gold and it wasn't
gonna be published. They put it on hold, and the Goldman said no,
no, no, it's part of the settlement. Released the book.
Just make one little change. And the change was if I did it.
In some of the words, the words I did it were in big bold
letters, and the word if was very small, So in other words,
it was basically OJA admitting. They said, confessions of a double murderer.
That's what they wanted the book to be called. So they get to the
chapter and he just blacks out. He can't explain what happened. He's just
like allus to if the cole hadn't shown up with that knife. So we
really he still never got to the point that everybody wanted to get to,
which I think is what that song was kind of alluding to. I don't
recall, I don't recall. You know, all right, we'll take a
moment, uh, try to imagine being his kids from either his previous relationship
were older, right, or the kids that yeah lots unpacked there. Well,
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Yeah, I said hello everybody. Yeah it was it was a joke.
Yeah, that's fine. He listens to good. That's good. That's what
you like that. Danny's breaking down the film. Well like that. OJ
Simpson also became a punchline in uh much of our country. Let's get to
OJ OJ Simpson players. So they don't want the families of Nicole Brown and
Ronald Goldman in the courtroom during the trial. They're afraid the presence of the
family members. We'll just remind OJ of how much more killing he still has
to do now this that that's why I got fired. They think that he
got fired from Saturday and Alive because one of the exam Yeah was tight with
OJ. Right, well, Don Olmier creating Monday Night Football. Yeah,
and he worked at NBC at the time. But that's why he got lorm
fire because he kept ripping out OJ even though it was all true. Yeah.
And the Pope came out with a book this week which contains a series
of essays examining faith and morality in today's secular world and the changing role of
the Catholic Church as it approaches the twenty first century. The book is entitled
God himself told me that OJ is guilted. But no, he gonna go
put out a tape his version. He's not a smart man. You know.
He's starting to tape off, trying to discredit his wife. Now she
did. Can't defend herself, he told him. First of all, it
is ludicrous Chris not to be confused with super sugar crisp to think that I
would want to kill Nicole. See, that was some old pussy for me.
You know, I tapped that a few times, dropped a few Captain.
I was moving on to some bigger, better white of winmen. I
mean, everybody I know, fuck Nicole Brown, Marcus Allen, Byron Allen,
Woody Allen, Ethan Allen, Allen or your name matter be with nah.
I want to walk you all through this stupposed crime. That's right,
they say, I stupposedly jumped over this wall here on the night in question.
Now, if you know me from football or maybe one of my Hurts
commercials where I jumped over the car, or as of lately, the high
impac aerobic tape, you know I got bad knees, ash she bad knees.
No way I could have jumped over this wall. I'm gonna demonstrate to
you. I'm gonna show you with the condition of my knee, there's no
way I could have got just walking old dawn my knee. See, so
that's half a miss Marsha case just right out the window. Now here's the
kicker. They say, I rellegedly dropped a glove at the scene of the
crime. Now, I played football with some twenty nine some odd years.
Never once did I drop the ball. How the fuck I'm gonna drop a
glove at the scene of Look, my hands is a training machine. I
can hold on to anything under any circumstance, you know what. I and
beside the glove just ain't gonna slip off. No hand this big. He's
that big. My hands I could wipe my ass and scratch my head at
the same time with this. Now, I'm gonna demonstrate to you there's no
way I could have dropped no glove at the scene the crime because my hand
is so good. Now, I want you to take this ball, and
I want you to through it. You thought it any where you wanting.
I'm gonna kitchen. I don't can't where you throwing? You know what?
Throw it over the wall. I show you that no way I have.
You see, there's no way I would have high stepping all right there?
Who is that? That's David Wayne's. Should we do one more? This
is uh one of my all time favorites. I think we're gonna get a
thing here. Uh. I love this guy stand up and he is more
famous today than he ever was when he did stand up, you know,
to my favorite kind of material. He's always of a controversial nature. Ain't
nothing, Steve Harvey. Okay, here we go. I don't need a
looking round getting mad at what I'm about to say. These are my opinions,
therefore it makes them the right ones. You got a different opinion,
keep it to yourself. Ain't nobody in here paid to hear what you think.
That's what I'm here for. You might as well get it out the
way. It's in the news every day. O J. Simpson. Now
you can have your opinion or whether you think he did it or not,
most people have formed war already. You may not agree with what I'm about
to say, but damn it, I think he did it. I think
O J. Killed everybody in that goddamn driveway, tried to kill that dog
too. Dog had blood on his ass. He was just too quick for
Ojay's ass shot ta. A couple of things make me think he didn't.
First of all, like my daddy always say, stick to what you do.
You're a football player, hey, or play football. If you don't
know how to commit murder, damn it, don't do it. Stay your
ass at the house. Put out that trying killing people for if you ain't
good at it. Plus his old ignorant aston got ever just popping up everywhere.
Somebody say they found a Highman trophy in the bushes. I am not
up to thinking that. The media got us going out trying to turn it
into a racial issue. This ain't about race. This about somebody then killed
somebody else. And I don't care what color he is. If he killed
somebody, he got to go. I don't give a damn if he do
play football. And I ain't back. And nobody just calls you black.
If you didn't kill somebody blue, black, green, yellow, your ass
got to go. I'll tell you that right now. And and and the
media then got all a Black America in a uproar body being a race issue.
This ain't race, you understand me, oh, j ain't been black
shins. He won that lass. I mean, it's just yeah, you
know, I was always a big fan of his stand up. If you
really want to see great Steve Harvey stand up, the King's a comedy for
no damn body. He didn't get no sun kiss my ass. I can
let right now. Oh, I might go down to picket, but you
ain't gonna lackmus on my side because I'm gonna have fuck old jail on both
side. He's marching holding the mic standout stage. There you go better.
Hope has made therapy more. I don't know if they if they give you
a little bit more. Everything's got an ad nowadays. No, I know.
That's why I actually I have a Twitter, Twitter or YouTube subscription just
to get her to the ads. Yeah, that was it. That was
the only bit. Uh. Chris Rock had a great bit Dave Chappelle when
he came back after years of oh yeah, he had like where he met.
Yeah that was like see I see the cole which comes up to Bach
goes good luck to go rot, bitch, you gonna get killed? He
goes, No, I didn't say that. Um, it's unbelievable, but
transpires right, you can't look down but the greatest thing and we never think
this way. We all have our own experience in life. But everything is
happening all at once. You realize that. Yeah, And when you're talking
about OJ's on the run and it's one of the biggest sports days and we've
got a record breaking home run with Ken Griffey Junior being the fastest to whatever,
I just think that that's it's everything is happening all at once, and
it's, uh, it's weird. It really was. I mean just oh
yeah, the NBA Finals were going on. I forgot to mention that.
I mean, it's just it was so much and I just everybody in buff
Western New York just stopped what they were doing and got in the house and
watched OJ. Yeah, until it was older. It was after midnight.
And uh, you know in the ESPN documentary which Leo Roth mentioned, the
Ezra Edelman documentary UM made in America, they spent just one day or one
episode just on the chase. And how you know OJ, the the the
police officer that talked him out of it, or the detective to talked to
him out of it, went to OJ's house. He sees everybody eating they
had ordered Chinese food or no, they'd ordered subs. They out and they're
just sitting there eating, like waiting for Dad to come home, like it
was no big deal. And he's looking around. He's got OJ on the
phone, and OJ is like, you know, threatening suicide, and he
goes, I think I know how to talk him down. And he's looking
because all the pictures of the house were all of OJ Simpson, none of
his kids, out of his family, just juice, and he goes,
I'm gonnappeal to his ego and try to get him to like, you know,
put the gun down and you know and everything else. And it worked.
And it worked because a lot of people were waiting for OJ to get
killed basically by the cops. Yeah, that's what the that's what they were
waiting for, and it didn't have He goes, I cannot have Oj Sipson
get killed at all. I can't have him commit suicide. So he had
like the toughest job in America at that point, while Clinton's probably hanging out
with Lewinsky somewhere doing something. But I mean, it was it was unbelieved.
It was just surreal everything else. And then of course you mentioned the
family and you get to the kids. Yeah, yeah, you wonder what
it was like to be the older kids, because I think they were still
in high school at the time, though they were they were they had already
graduated college. Yeah. In fact, at one point or not, at
one point, people thought that his son Pastion did either did it or helped
him do it. Yeah, because it's amazing, like, how do you
walk around and everybody knows, you know, there was nobody that didn't know,
right, felt like at least and then you look at the little kids,
how do they go on? Because I don't even know if they have
a relationship with him. I have no idea. I have no idea.
I know that the daughters, the daughter gets a lot of crap for being
OJ's kid, and I think she's just kind of written everybody off. But
I mean, it's really it's really sad. Like they went to go live
with the Browns, right they were in the custom and then I think it
was Christmas Eve of like ninety five or ninety six, after OJ had gotten
off that the courts ruled that they had to go back to Juice, and
so he's coming to pick them up on Christmas eve and they don't necessarily want
to go, but it's like they're my kids. You can't force them.
And the grandmother goes. We never say anything bad about Ojanny, that's their
father, but we know that he killed our daughter. So how do you
navigate this? It's a very hard thing, Like if they really and and
they probably didn't say anything. Yeah, because you're right. It is like
I, even in situation I'm in, I tried, I'd never say any
anything. I never say anything. And I know my family never says anything.
They don't because and my dad, uh not that this just means anything.
But just to kind of show you, we'll still send Jenna a Mother's
Day card because he'll say she is the mother of my Grandschranchel, and you
know I recognize that, and he does it every year and I have no
problem with it. I have no I have no problem with it. I
there were my reasons and whatever, but that's fine, and I would but
I never would. I'll always say I don't even let the guys sometimes,
you know, especially the older guys, will start to complain about and I'll
say, hang on a second, and there's your mom and she's in a
lot for you enough. I don't want to hear it. Yeah, I
don't want to hear it. And it's not to be magnanimous or a hero.
I will say this. One of the most important relationships in everybody's life
is their mom, and especially in a young man's life, and that'll change
your dad becomes There are certain years your dad's important, but your mom's always
important. Your dad's always important, but there are certain years that dad's a
little more important than but mom is always important. And I think that he
just I think, especially for young man, I still think the majority,
even though we'll hear about transgenders and different waffling of who you're gonna be or
what you're gonna be, I think for the most part, we still are
traditional human animals and there's male and female, and how you treat your mom
is a big indicator and how you're going to treat another woman. And I
think that you should always no matter what, no matter how mad you get
it, your mom. You know, there was a guy I know who
told a great story at his brother's wedding at a roast and how they had
an old aunt that would come over and she would sit in a chair all
day she was a heavy set woman. She would sit in the chair and
when she would leave, after having sat there for hours and hours in this
chair, they would take the younger brother's face and push it. And he
tells this story and it happened to be his late father's sister. And his
mother was furious that he would tell this story and pulled him aside. And
he was with the woman who was not his wife yet at the time.
They did get married and are still married, and he in front of his
mother, you know, really gave it to him about how disappointed she was
and this was blah blah blah, and how embarrassing for the family, and
you know, basically making fun of your aunt being a big, fat lady
and you're shoving your brother's face and blah blah. And he said, I'm
sorry, that was it another word. And his now wife was like so
impressed, only because I'm thinking in my head, if I did it,
come on, man, it was a joke. Jimp in fat ass,
you're overreacting. He didn't do that. He had great respect for his mom,
and I you know, I think, like a lot of times that
old saying that youth is wasted on the young it's only because everything is again,
it's all happening at once, but you can't slow down to just bring
it to just me and what's going to make me feel good? And when
I feel good, I'm better for other people, and that sort of thing.
And the less said the better, The less said the better. I
had a situation in my family. I won't go into too much detail on
exactly what it is, but somebody didn't want somebody doing something, and the
person was getting themselves very upset about it and going around and around and around,
and I can only go around the block with you about three times and
when you get now we're on lap three of the same thing and nothing's happening,
and you know your frustration. I gotta go. He stop, So
you know I I suggested then you have to just be direct. And the
person starts telling me, well, here's what i'm gonna send, and I'm
gonna say this and this and this and this is what I'm doing this day
and this, and I'm like, you can't, don't do that. Just
simply say I'm not comfortable with this. I appreciate your your sentiment, Please
don't get involved. That's it. Yeah, something to that exaid and you
know, or please respect my wishes and no get involved. Uh that's it.
You don't. Oh, you don't need all these fucking words. And
we you know what you do. You just leave somebody to go, oh,
okay, you're gonna do blah blah blah, and then you it's the
fight. If you really want to just end something, just be direct,
be direct, and calm about it. You know, nobody needs to be
an asshole, you know what I mean. I always said there's a difference
between kind and nice. Nice to get walked on kind. You can draw
boundaries in my mind, and I think you need to be kind to everybody,
but you can draw those boundaries. And I do think, like you
know, with your mom, you gotta drawston boundary something. But the less
said, I'm sure this person wanted to defend themselves, but for whatever reason,
they didn't, and it just melted the panties off their future wife.
I mean she was very I say that jokingly, but she was very impressed.
And I and that's my big thing with you know, the parents and
so to hear, I don't know how, I don't know how you everybody
else is trash and I'm I'm sure the kids heard, but if if the
Brown family did not in front of the children, more power to him.
Man that that that's impressive, it really, I mean, that's impressive.
I'm so sorry. That's impressive because you know, at the end of the
day, that's still your dad. Now, as you get older, you'll
make your own decisions on things, right, Walter Casper, who was notorious
in this region for putting his way, like they went up to I don't
know, one of the one of the ravines, you know, look at
this and he jumps out and let's the minivan goal for the cliff and she
went up killed. And they had three boys and the boy he went away,
and the boys don't talk to him. He's out prison, they don't
talk to him. They have no relationship with him onceoever, and I don't
know what he what those guys were told, But it would be hard not
to have the conversation about, you know, especially if you're of an age
where you can read and absorb and hear. You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, it's a little weird. It's a it's a tough situation to navigate.
There's a there's a there's a pro wrestling, like story like that where
Kurt Angle. I don't know if you've ever heard of him. He had
he was cheating on his wife, so they split up and she ended up
going out with a guy named Jeff Jarrett and end up getting married. Everything
else, well, Jeff would never bash Kurt to it in front of the
kids. Yeah, for years, because he's like, they don't want to.
But Kurt would keep sniping at Jeff. Yeah, but sip so here's
what. So eventually on a podcast, he finally said, enough, the
kids are old enough to hear this. Okay, dad cheated, their dad
cheated on their mom. I would I had nothing to do with it.
Here's what happened. He goes, they can make their own decisions now.
But I'm sick of having to defend my wife. But he goes, I
waited until they were of age before I opened my mouth. While they were
growing up, I never fought back. I never addressed it, never touched
it. Yeah. I always think like, even in those situations, you
got to go so long. Yeah yeah, and I'll believe me. I
could get sucked into all right, fine fucking nous in time, right,
you can me doing that. But then on a podcast though, where it's
wrestling like these guys, like the lines are blurred between real life and entertainment
kfabe. They call it fake. So you know, that's that's why you
finally decided, Oh, I gotta address this. Yeah, I think taking
the high road is always the better way though. Yeah, right, there
is somebody dragging me down into the mud, and that's it. If you
can always kind of stay up above it a little bit, you're you are
overall better off. And I do think that after a while people start to
see it, you know, Like I'll be honest, My favorite people are
the ones I find out all the cool, wonderful, nice things they did
for other people that I had no idea because they never said anything, and
I find out from somebody else George Michael's story. Yeah, but three died
all of a sudden, where you came out and said, yeah, don't
tell anybody this that I'm helping. All these stories came out, Yeah,
and I you kind of liked it. It gives you a different perspective because
it's not somebody doing it because for recognition, exactly when you're doing it for
recognition, it's it's not it's not charitable. Yeah, so the Bible surprise,
the right hand should not know what the left hand is doing. So
you should always just you know, And I always admire that. And there
are other people who are like, well, you know, I mean when
I gave money to this one and I did that, and hey, I'm
here, and and that's wonderful that you do it, and that you have
the means you push your name on the go fund me and just said instead
of clicking the anonymous box. I mean, I think, like you know,
a lot of times we don't need that. I think that while I
know, as you said that, I'm thinking like Tom golas on those names
on everything, but there's a lot of things that Tom does that nobody,
nobody tells about. And there's other ones where you know he well he's a
businessman. And I do think that when you have billions of dollars to have
the hospital in your name on it, oh, I think we could thank
you. I've often said to lots of people, I'm glad it's here.
I hope you never need it. Yeah, I hope you never need it,
right, but if you do, it's the best, it's the greatest
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Yeah, it's hard. Sometimes we're fools. Yeah, sometimes we do stupid
stuff. Story. Yeah, I did something really stupid, Billy, Well
you didn't. I don't think he did anything stupid. I don't I screwed
up. I don't think he did. No. See, I think that
he can't be that guy. What what? What? Say? What happened?
I ate the rest of my wife's baklava. Now we went to the
Greek fest on on Saturday. Yeah, bought a bunch of desserts. Yeah,
and that Greek food it's really good. Oh, I'm baklava, you
know, it's it's the Philo dough and honey and it's like the perfect dessert.
It is. And so it's been sitting out in a in a in
a clear box. Yeah, for about five days. Maybe she's been having
a little bit with her coffee every morning. It's it possible, Well I
think so, see, Okay, Well no, here's the So Thursday,
after the show that we taped, Thursday night, it was late, she
had dinner. She was tired. She cooked me dinners and she goes to
the microwave. Love you. I'm okay, eat the dinner. And then
I noticed that the cannoli she had eaten her half of the cannoli of the
Greek canole that was left. And I see a piece of baklavak cut a
diagonal. I'm like, oh, she must have had her half of the
back lava because we're gonna split it. They usually cut back lava diagonally.
Yeah, well you already. Yeah, I'm Italian and I'm stupid and oh
no, no, it's fine. Even Well I don't know that because my
wife h had worked at a Greek bakery and made bac lava and that's how
she cut it. So you wouldn't know it unless you know. So I
don't have any Greek pastries in my life other than that, so I wouldn't
have imagined that you would cut it again in half and leave only like a
quarter piece. That wouldn't make sense to me. So I'm like, oh,
she must have cut it. Yeah, so the rest is for me,
right, So I'm gonna have that for dessert. Yeah, bushed my
teeth to go to bed, right, makes sense. This morning, she
goes to kiss me goodbye before work, and she goes, I'm pissed.
I gotta go. Why would happen? Something happened at school? Yeah,
you ate the last you ate the baca le of eye. You never leave
anything for me. You don't think of me out the door. And I'm
like at six o'clock in the morning and I'm like half awake, and I'm
like, oh my gosh, I have done that before, but I usually
replace it if there's if I eat the last of something, I'll always buy
her something else that's fresher and newer and everything else. So I mean,
like, it's but this was a situation where I thought she legitimately ate some
already ate her half listen listen, Uh huh, there's no UK you're never
gonna be able to justify this. Come to the wise one who has failed
at relationships, and let me explain you how things because here here that you've
hit all the things. Yeah, done at all. He was an honest
mistake. But the problem is, like anybody, maybe you know what your
day entails, and the highlight of your day is going to be that last
piece of black lava. And you're thinking about him when you're in the shower,
You're thinking about him while you're getting dressed, even though it had been
there for five days. Oh, it doesn't matter. So but that's what
you're thinking, And so it's there. Could it be? And I hope
Beth wouldn't be offended by you're saying this. Could it be a little bit
of an overreaction to the fact that the back it's gone? Maybe? Maybe
Could it also be that it's six o'clock in the morning. But here,
let's go back to this one. You have admitted to a pattern of never
of eating the last of whatever something is. Now you say you replace it,
miss or mistakenly doing it, not realizing she didn't have it. Hang
on, here's the thing. It's tough because she was already in bed.
Usually you should always probably say do you mind if I have the last of
whatever? Oh I was really hoping to have that tomorrow for work. Oh,
no problem, I'll eat the whatever other thing is there is. I'll
go find some tree bark. Don't worry about me. I'll suffer silence.
No, but you know what I'm saying. But you usually okay, So
that's a good thing. Easier said than done. But sometimes if you just
step back and go, hey, what if it were me? What if
it were you thinking, Oh, I got that back lava for tomorrow,
and then it's gone. It's gone. I go buy more. I know,
but you can't in that moment, Like she's got to get to work,
so there's no way at six o'clock in the morning to replace the back
lava. And so like if you eat the last of something and then come
back go hey, hey, hey, I replaced it, I'm a hero.
No you're not. You're a zero. Because it's only in the moment.
And the bigger thing is she feels like you're not thinking of her.
That's what this Yeah, that's what's about. That's what it's about. So
here would be my suggestion to you. I feel terrible. No, I
would say nothing about it. I would say very very little, simply,
um, you know what, I'm sorry. I had to feel kind of
shitty that I that you would think I didn't think of you. I would
like to say it's an honest mistake, but I just know I'm sorry.
And I wouldn't even give an explace like, well, I thought it was
cooked diagonally your haf and I wouldn't even go into that. I would when
I was married and it didn't work. Because you're like over explaining. I'm
finding that is that what man's planning is, Billy uh. No, man's
planning is like usually when you go, well, a little lady, let
me tell you, well, when you're driving a car, you're starting to
hear a thumb thumb thumb, you might want to pull over to the side
of the road, and I keep going because you fucking blew a tire,
bitch. You know, well, maybe that's exactly how it. So.
I was kind of dance planning. No, you weren't even dance planning.
You were doing what every human being would do. I didn't do it here.
It's what I was thinking. What I'm saying to you is your wife
doesn't want to hear that. I don't think I don't think your wife wants
You'll know if she kind of said, but your wife doesn't want to hear
the excuse, it's an excuse in her mind. The way you're telling the
story is she's feeling like you're not in tune. You you just once again,
here it comes garbage disposal Dan, right, Not that that's what she's
calling you, but she just feels like, like, you know, come
on, man. So if i'm you, I go get a piece of
back lava. But I don't tell her I got a piece of back lava
and I leave it in the little pastry box. And I don't know where
you can get back lava. Maybe they have it at a Wegman's. I'm
not sure because that's a specialty dessert. Yeah. I actually looked up some
places. You did. Yeah, smart, Yeah, you find you get
a piece of bak leva, you leave it in the box, You just
put it in the fridge and you can even put a post a note on
there. Very sorry, and that's it. Like I'm just saying, like
the less a gesture without dude, Like here's where jestures get shitty. Fellas
to get shitty with. Hey, got you that piece of but I'm really
sorry it was cut damp. No, no, no no. Put it
in the fridge, put a little note I'm sorry, and that's it,
and go back your day, go do whatever you would do at home.
And then when you see her, maybe you know, put your arm around
her or give her a hog and say, grab her, pull her clothes
without, you know, not forcefully, great bitch, guirl, just grab
her and just say I heard you this morning, and you know what,
I'm really sorry. You must feel like I didn't even think of you,
and I'm sorry. End it. Don't say any more than that. And
if she goes, well, you know, then what that does is it
opens uping well, you know, maybe I did whatever, but it does
feel like you do and blah blah blah blah blah and this and that and
by and I wouldn't still go into my It was cut diagonally. And you
know what I'm saying, you know, because I have done that. But
it's too much. It's too much. I'm telling you, man, the
less said, the better, and it'll just go away. And then it's
like, holy shit, what a fucking dude, you know what people think
when when people the people who speak less in the room, A lot of
people always think they're smarter than and it will cease. People get uncomfortable sometimes
when there's this silence and they'll try to fill it and they'll talk and they'll
talk and they'll talk. When the person who talks least and actually listens more
is the one that people start to go, what what's going on here?
What do they know that? I don't know? How come there? So
this? They don't like pick on an interview with Steve Jobs or Elon Musk,
they say, like to ask a question, they answer it, and
they just sit there wait for the answer, right because and then they try
to fill more and it's like no, just just sit there and stare back
out. Who gives a shit? Right, I mean, you know,
answer it. But I'm saying, like with your wife, to go into
all that explanation just becomes justification for why you're a heel. You know what
I'm saying, Well, at least I think that's the way she hear.
It's a justification for why you're a heel. All right, Like a guy
would rather know that you're not a complete moron and you did this because you
didn't add that make sense, got it? That's not what it's not to
make sense to her. What doesn't make sense is you didn't think of her,
like if you're you know what I'm saying, like if she ain't the
last piece of back lava, and you're like, God damn me, I
would really looking forward to that. Oh it's cut on an angle. I
thought you had yours. Oh, all right, makes sense, and you're
on with your day. It's not that she didn't think of you because you
didn't care. All you give a ship? Can you shove that in your
face? And you can't, right, And that's it. It's over that.
I think that's sort of the difference between men and women a little bit.
I think it's more about there are feelings tied to this. This isn't
about the back lava. This is about the fact that Dan never fucking thinks
of me, and I live here too, and I made him dinner,
and you know not that she yells like that, she doesn't know I do
think of her offend. You do not need to justify me. I've seen
it. I understand it, and she probably does as well. It could
have been as a bad moment. But all I'm saying is, no matter
what it is, you know what the reason was in your mind. It
was a misunderstanding. Don't explain it, buy that thing, put it in
a box, Put the little thing, and then when you see her and
don't even tell her it's there, let her discover it. Let her discover
it. Oh yeah, I thought that would be nice. I know it's
not when you wanted it. You're probably looking forward to it today, but
you know, okay, I would be my suggestive. Okay, try and
let me know if it works, and I'm going to try it my next
relationship because I could give it. I didn't know when I was doing it.
I didn't want you to know. Like I was saying, I'm an
expert, but I get I don't know what it is. Lately. I've
only thought of this lately. The less said, the better. You don't
need to justify everything to everybody, because all that does a lot of times
take it away from even your wife, is gives people the power to go,
Wow, you know they're gonna do this and this and this and baa,
like they feel like they're so important that they're going to do all these
things with their time and they don't want me around when simply it's just like
it's it's not a good time, or today doesn't work, I don't need
to go. Well, you know, I have to meet my kids and
I got to get over there and blah blah blah, and you know,
you're really just it's an inconvenience that that sounds horrible? How about it?
To spare everybody's feelings and to even save your own time? Who wants to
be fucking typing all this? I'm a god damn keyboarding whatever the fuck you're
sending your message on or talking? No what he wants to less, get
right to the point. Today's not a good day the head. Yeah,
today's not a good day. That's it. Sorry, God, No cool.
Maybe I should have been a life coach. See what happens? Yeah,
I know that. Well, I think if I think it's a cute
thing, like to leave the back lava wouldn't. But it can't be grandly
presented. You know, where do you come in and go, oh god,
here's the bay hero And then he opened it up. He's like it's
going look at this back lava. Oh my god? Can you picture that
in your mouth? Just mama, every taste bud exploding. Just put it
in there and check your mount and see what happens. You know what's gonna
happen. The next thing in her mouth? Maybe a beast of Danny.
We'll see. Oh yeah, yeah, all right enough baby gronk Oh.
I love the name. Not yeah. I mean, this is an odd
thing to me, because the kid's now ten years old. Allegedly. I
don't know where the truth lies in any of this stuff. Um, the
kid never looks happy. He's always kind of got this dopey look on his
face. Gonna uh, he's a big kid, I guess for ten.
I don't know if he's a football phenomenon or not. It's I think it's
kind of hard to tell at that age, can't tell. Um. Allegedly
he's minute to different schools. Now it's LSU because he went down there and
the girl from LSU who's the gymnast, took him on a tour and but
the kid hardly talks. She hugged him. I don't know his parent is.
I think his name is. His last name is Sam Miguel. It
might be Michael Sam Miguel, Oh Madden Madden Maguel and his first name is
Madden. Yeah, Madden, like John Madden. Yes, m A D
D. E. Madden. And then with a program since he was a
sperm. Well, his dad is saying that I'm trying his dad to the
athletic I think said he's on a diet. He eats very healthy trains five
or six days a week. But it's not about necessarily getting to be a
pro. It's about making use of these nil deals now, right, getting
these endorsements now. And his parents put a lot of this stuff up on
social media. But it's him, Like he met Shack, he's been on
the Texans bench. I saw some videos. Yeah, he did a whole
viral thing with Olivia Dunne, who is h the woman from LSU. Yeah,
he's just he's like this, this little guy. He's got his arm
around her. I mean, yeah, Olivia done. And then I guess
the thing is, I've read several accounts of ex football players on Twitter today
saying it's really about your DNA and other than being the quarterback, it's really
about how big you are and how strong you are and how fast you are,
and you can't teach those things. And at his age, it's still
way too early to tell you could. You could eat the best vegetables and
all this other stuff. But at the end of the day, if you
don't have the DNA to do it, it's it odds. Art's not going
to happen. Basketball, baseball, gymnastics, a lot of those sports.
You might be able to do that and go further, and even then it's
still a crapshoot. Sure it is. But in football it's like it's all
about like size, striking speed, right, And I'm thinking of a number
of guys who didn't play until later in life and went on to have pretty
solid careers. Oh yeah, and you even look at one guy who played
lacrosse in college, yeah, Chris Hogan. Yeah, and then went to
the Bills. Yeah, and then won Super Bowls with the Patriots and was
a key in those Super Bowls. He was you know, Antonio Brown.
I'm sorry, yeah, no, No, Antonio Gates. He played tight
end for the Chargers. He didn't play college football, played college basketball,
right, but they made him a tight end. The kid who's the other
kid, kid out of Kennisius ended up playing for the Chiefs for a while.
I think it was a tight end too, So I mean it just
it's it's really yes, yes, yes, I remember that kid. Uh
yeah, it's it is one of these things where football is a sport that
you can play later in life pick up. Yeah, I'm saying playing sports
at any age, but you only play impact sports. I don't know what'll
happen with this kid. I don't know. It could be a big bust.
But boy, that's a lot of pressure. I always just think of
like the psychological aspects of it. Yeah, like if all of a sudden,
you're you're with Olivia don who's like the hottest social media star right now
cashing in. She's making millions of dollars in social media. She's a great
gymnast, she's very pretty. She's at you know, big university. What
if you don't get there, Yeah, you know, then we look back
and go where are they now? And how does that feel when you open
up the internet and you see you at the bottom of the page? How
you go to the bottom of an article and when you get to the bottom
of the article, it's like, uh, you know, NFL star reveals
his ten essentials, including her. Where are they now? Find out what
whatever happened to? Yeah? Like the sponsored content A Shock Reunion. Yeah,
here it is. Kate Goslin surprises X John by showing up to a
strange kid's graduation. You know, it's like, okay, it's like all
this Yeah yeah, yeah yeah John, and say, my oldest son.
He used to love to watch it because he always wanted to have all those
kind of kids around him. Thought it would be so cool to have a
house full of kids like that. Yeah, I can imagine it, but
yeah, I mean, yeah, I worry about this kid. Like.
There's a story about Todd Mornno, which is another we mentioned thirty for thirty
with OJ Earlier. There was another thirty for thirty about Todd and his father,
Marv, and Todd was on a program since he was a little kid,
never touched the twinkie, all this other stuff, and his father tells
him, you're not playing the New York Giants. You're not playing the New
York Giants. Because he would try to get him psyched up for a game.
He's like, hey, don't take it too seriously. It's not like
you're playing the Giants. You know, you're just playing a high school game.
Even though he was kind of nuts, he was taking it away too
seriously, if he had a bad game, he would make him walk home,
and so Mark and so Todd would run home because I could run.
I could I could run home. I don't care. And so like they'd
had these battles back and forth. He still refers to his father, and
his sister does too. By his first day, and they don't call him
Dad. They call him Marv. Right, why I call my mom Marge?
Okay, but like they call him Marv, like to the camera,
you know, And like at a young age, they were massagely his hamstrings
in the crib so that he'd be more athletic because Marve, I guess was
stretch out. He had a chance to play with the Raiders and he got
hurt. So he wanted to live his life vicariously through Todd. Todd leaves
USC a year early to go. He's the first player I think ever selected
what came out as a sophomore. He had his three years out of high
school and so he was he's a red shirt sophomore. So they're like,
okay, you could go in the draft. He goes in the draft.
He gets drafted by the Raiders and at one point they tell he beats the
New York Giants. And after he beats the Giants, that was it.
I don't have to do anything. And he gets to the drugs, yeah
and all his other stuff. Good game. Yeah he was. He would
have been. He could he could have been. He was up and down,
but he with right coaching, I think he could have been. He
could have been a star. I mean the father did, I mean it
all worked, Yeah, it all worked, but in all backfired. Right.
He can't put your will on somebody exactly like my god, he usually
just doesn't always work. So I talked to a guy. I know,
a guy in Texas whose son they told him, any look, if if
he wants to play varsity ball, yeah, you gotta get him into a
travel league. Yeah you know how old he was six eight. He doesn't
even play baseball anymore. He's sixteen. Night runs track. It's like,
so this costs money. This is a little league. When travel leagues,
those travel leagues. So for baseball, right locally baseball, there's a program
here in town, and it costs about three grand to get on the team.
Sort of costs yeah, plus the hotels, plus for all the travel
stuff. And you're not even necessarily playing the best kids get to play.
Yeah, it's all that athletic ability, and then the prayers starts streaming,
and then it just becomes a night and then the kids people who with baseball.
It's interesting because there's a lot of programs that are a little kind of
um on the downlow. I guess I don't know how many. I think
people do know of them, but you got to sort of seek them out.
And they cost. I mean there's thousands, maybe maybe tens of thousands,
possibly hundreds of thousands, but definitely tens of thousands of dollars being spent
on kids who are never going to play in college or never going to get
to a minor league contract. But hey, you know what the thing is,
I would say, if the kid wants to do it, and you
have the means, your job as a parent is to provide opportunities as much
as possible, right, And I always think, like again now looking back
and not having any of my kids to live with me. So people who
go, Okay, great, good job saying it's not an asshole, huh,
But I think that it's effort. I think, especially when your kids
are little, it's effort. That's all they know. You know, the
parent that could be the brightest, smartest, richest, but doesn't do anything
with the kid, doesn't it doesn't mean shit to the kid. But the
parent that maybe doesn't have the highest education of the most money, but gets
down on the floor and plays with you, or goes out and throws the
ball or fishes, or puts an effort but tries to have a party,
build a ten fort with the kid. It's effort, That's all it really
is. It's it's effort and that comes to parenting. And I just think
that is also effort money. But sometimes it can be lost. Yeah,
right, you start to take it for granted. It was one of the
greatest I will say this. This is well, we'll end it here.
When I put one of my kids in a private school and we had looked
at all the private schools in the area, and he's a break guy got
into all of them. And this is one that there was some hesitation.
I don't know why exactly. Guy kind of do I guess from his uh,
mom that was kind of wary of the school, and with reason there
was There were reasons. There were other people she knew have had children in
the school, and some of the reports that came back of activities that kids
would get into. I'll call them extracurricular outside of school. Not the best.
Right, So when we went to this school, Uh, the one
thing that I think kind of really grabbed her was I always said that,
you know, critical thinking and writing are really two things that you need in
this world. Critical thinking maybe more than writing now, but writing, you
know, AI is kind of helping. But a I could you know you
want to be able to even look at that and go all right, eliminate
this and I'll take this, and here's what's value of what AI came up
with or whatever if you in chet GPT. But the guy who's showing us
around sat us all down and looked at him and said, do you realize
how much your parents love you and care about you because they are trying to
give you the opportunity to get the absolute best education at your age that you
can get. And I was like, good, because I say it it's
like, you know, it's dad talking. Here we go again, Here
we go again, don't want want but this is somebody else And I think
sometimes you know, we don't you know if your parents are paying three thousand
dollars for you to go to a baseball program and you're not doing well.
You're mad at everybody, but you're not realizing there's a lot of money.
They could done a lot of other things for you or your siblings or anybody
or themselves with that money. That is effort. But I think I'm rambling
nuts, you know what I'm saying. I get that. So to have
somebody else say, hey man, you know take realize what this is.
Realize what it is. Sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry,
but that's it. Sorry. At least something else that tastes like never mind.
I was just a pulling oh for Dan Barillo, for O. J.
Simpson, But for Dan Barillo. I'm Phil Moran, will see you
tomorrow for you w