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Hello, and welcome to show number one hundred and seventy or Paranormal Dimensions on
David Young. We were expecting you. Your coming was predicted by Marlin the
Magician. Oh really, and you're working author? I presume, so did
you exist? I wonder? Hopefully on this show we shall find out.
Today's guest is esteemed historian Mark Polly, who is highly regarded as an expert
on King Arthur. And he just says a new book out which he should
be telling us about. So I'm looking forward to this fun. Okay,
let's always do anyway, This should be quite fascinating hearing about King Arthur and
Merlin and the supposed wizardry that he got up to. Someone very pleased to
welcome Mark Polly to the show. Hello, Mark, welcome to the show.
Hello, Hello, nice to see you. Or would you prefer some
Mark or the of the round table. No, No, I'm not,
I'm not. I'm not a a nightly disposition. Well I am of a
nightly disposition actually, but I'm more I'm more rocking the Merlin. Look for
this one. I have to say that because because your latest book, King
Arthur, it wasn't King Arthur. And what's what's total polychronicon. That's that's
the that's the word. That's a big word. Yeah, it always feels
piggle. You want to see the Americans try to say that. Honestly,
they all deferred to me. It's poly chronicon of Merlin, Joseph and Arthur.
So it's moving, you know, the magician, it's Joseph of Arimathea,
which is the Grail, and of course it's Arthur, who was never
a king. But you're going to ask me about that. Yeah, chronical,
so you dug that one up. Well, there's two reasons for it,
both very good reasons. First one is nobody else has used it on
a King Arthur book. And you've got to bear in mind that's about three
hundred books on the subject of Arthur worldwide that come out every year. So
to hit on something that nobody else has used is nion impossible. And the
last Polychronicon, which is a chronological history, was written by a monk in
Chester in the thirteen hundreds, about thirteen twenty, and he included a massive
section on King Arthur in chronological order. So way way back eight hundred years
ago, there was this guy in Chester doing it, so heiram, I
thought, I'll have ago. So Polychronicon chronological History. It's written like a
diary. So I've never heard the world before. English was my top subjects
at school. There's always not very high, but it was my top subjects.
But I never heard the world before. So we're learning all the time
what with well, you know, it's a you know, it's a big
word when it's not in the spell checker on your computer. Yeah, there
you go. So at least I can I could use that excuses all schill
checker. But like I say, chronological history, polychronic on. That's all
it is, chron chronological history. Anyway, Again, it's quite too welcome
into the show. Thank you. I've been looking forward to this one because
one of my earliest memories and when we first got a TV was actually so
Lance a lot. I don't if you remember that, the old TV series.
Oh now we're going way back, yea TV series And yeah, it's
set up like a Magic of King Arthur and the Arts of the Brown Table.
Now they kind of set that kind of in the Middle Ages around about
fifteen hundreds, but I think King Arthur goes back way foot back than that.
Than Yes, you've got you've got two if you like areas, main
areas where people focus on Arthur, and most people go for the easy one,
and that's the medieval ones. You've got, you know, Jeffrey of
Monmouth stay in the eleven hundreds, rattles out this amazing history of Arthur and
the King of the Britons and all that, and then you've got the sort
of you know, the Excalibur Martin Borman movie type you know thing that then
reels out from that where it's all knights in shining armor and rescuing maidens from
dragons and all that sort of stuff. That's kind of version number one,
and that's what most people default too. But there is a second version,
which is, you know, way way back end of the Roman Era,
either side of five hundred AD, and that's more or less what you know
that movie about King Arthur that was supposed to be the true movie. I
think it was one of the last big Arthur movies to come out, the
one with Clive Owen and Kiera Knightley and all that. That movie that's set
at the end of the Roman Era, at the start of the Saxon invasions.
That's where the real Arthur is. He sat there and that's the author
that I try and focus on, concentrate on in the book. There are
clues to him in the medieval material, because you know, you couldn't tell
a story about somebody and just lie about it in medieval times, or they
did think it was fake, they wouldn't take you seriously, especially not if
you're writing for royalty. So there are clues in there, but you've really
got to get a grips with that original material and approach as an archaeologist would
to sort out the wood from the trees, you know, because there's so
much nonsense in it's like artistic license to all kinds, all kinds. But
there are links, I mean there are links which will will undoubtedly cover.
Yeah, there was a there was a later kick Arthur film and it was
made three or four years ago. Oh that's that, Yeah, that's the
one that looks like Assassin's Creed. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I thought it was actually quite good. What's all of it? Actually?
But very yeah yeah, very sort of modern, very yeah, very modern
in its in its approach. Yeah. But the car Vo world did you
enjoy? Actually, I think they started to sort of trying to make them
a bit more gruesome as well that they used to in the old days.
Yeah, that's a bit more kick ass as because I don't think I had
a lot of lifting those days, to be honest. It would have been
really tough, I mean, anything resembling civilization. The Romans kind of took
that away, and the Saxons were you know, they were not for really
doing things the way the Romans did. They had a different approach. So
basically Britain went back to being tribal. You know, it was ruined by
people that controlled zones, and essentially that's what Arthur was. He controlled the
northern zone as a battle leader. You know, he's given in the original,
he's given us dux belorum, which just is it's duke of battles.
That's what it translates as. So he's a warrior. He's not a king
at all. I mean, the king might have been Melbourne Gwynhead of Wales
because he was the king at that time and kings. Again, Wales was
split into three, so he had three different kings. So the King of
North Wales was the one that was looking after Arthur as his battle chieftain.
So that was the setup then. But it's Celtic tribal, you know,
it's not medieval. Now, I guess because this is a paranormal show.
Yeah, I guess we'll to go to the paranormal part of things with which
concerned Merlin the Magician. Now, yes, as far as you know,
did he exist and did he have these magical powers? And was he a
real wizard? It depends a definition of a real wizard. Wow, yes,
he did really exist. But you've got to approach it knowing that Merlin
is a title. So during the period we're looking at from about four hundred
AD to six hundred AD. In that period in Wales, there was about
six of them, different ones. Some of them are extremely well known,
some of them less well known. So the most the most well known here
usually the early ones. So you've got people like Merlin Taliessin. He's the
first one Taliessin with the title Merlin. So he's a poet, obviously poet
and a barred, incredibly famous. The next one's Merlin Ambrosius. Ambrosius is
a sort of religious educated battle leader, and he's the brother of Ruther Pendragon.
So you're willing too Arthur there, But but Arthur's suppose you call him
uncle, is also one of the Merlin's. The next one's Merlin the logan
which translates his little friend or dear friend. Now he is the Merlin that
everybody associates with, Arthur because he's the guy who lives over one hundred he's
probably about one hundred and two hundred and three when he dies, and he
is a full on, full blown, amazing sort of druid I you know,
scientist, astrologer, astronomer, you know, he's all of that.
But the thing is he dies halfway through. He sees Arthur's victory at the
Battle of Baden and the next Mulin to take over, which is Mulin will
It. That's Merlin the Mad. He doesn't live as long. He only
lives to about being about eighty, but he's through, if you like.
He's the period that sees the defeat of Arthur, and then he sees civil
war breaking out amongst the Britains, so he basically goes mad, retreats off
to his astronomical He's got like a circle like what do they call it,
Oh, like one of these places where you look at the stars. I
can't think of the exact world planetarium thing. Yeah, a bit like that
he's got. He's got this set up in the woods that he can go
to anyway. After him, there's a guy called Merlin Totugan who is then
a poet, and he's up there in Cumbria, basically in the same area
as Merlin will It, And then Mullin Totugan I think, spawns another Merlin
who is a bit more obscure, and he's over in Northern Ireland. And
then the title gets obliterated by the Anglo Saxons, so that title that office,
if you like, ends at the end, well around about six hundred.
It ends round about then. So I've got at least six of them,
and they would most definitely have come over as being you know, I
mean the Merlin that was there at the beginning of Arthurs writing Merlin the logan,
you can imagine him stood on top of a mountain going right, that's
it, I'm switching the sun off. You know, the whole place goes
black. You know, well, it's an eclipse, and he knows it's
coming, but you know, it's still pretty amazing. And the Druids we
I mean, they've been around at this point, they've been around over three
thousand years, so he really is literally standing on the shoulders of giants.
All the archaeo technology and all the stuff that we find in the past,
and all the U parts and all the stuff that gets featured on programs like
Ancient Aliens and all that, a lot of that was known to the Druids.
You know, they were aware of that. They were Greek philosophers,
they were Pythagoreans. They knew that side of it, which the book covers.
I mean, that's why I start with Merlin, because he is the
oldest path, if you like, the oldest tradition, and he would certainly
have looked magical. You know, he would have known about curing with herbs
and healing, and I do very strongly suspect that there would have been that
spiritual side of it, very much a kind of an ancestor's way, you
know, reaching beyond what you see into the unknown. I think there's a
huge, hefty wedge of that because you would have got to study Celtic beliefs
to know that they had this very strong idea that you came from somewhere and
when you died, you went off to somewhere. So they had this strong
idea of the being another life and afterlife, another dimension that you went to
when you died. Only where we point at heaven up in the sky.
They had this idea that you disappeared down So if you went into water,
if you were like these bog bodies defined and that if you dumped something into
water as a sacrifice or an offering, you're sending it onto the next world.
You know, you're going on into that next realm, which is down
in the earth as far as the Celts are concerned. So there is that
huge spiritual mystical side to Merlin. Absolutely, if they would have had some
evidence of that bait being do you think, yeah, I would have said
so. The keel It's in particular were almost honest to the point of being
brutal. The Romans found them very difficult to deal with because they were very
direct and very upfront and very matter of fact. So I think what we
see now the ghosts to spirits, the weird things that happen, you know,
into dimensional beings if you're into that, you know, the fairies that
live in burial mounds, fairy mounds, all that side of things. They
would have had exactly that same kind of tradition, and positive they would because
their mythology, you know, certainly has a strong element of that. Things
like the Mabadoggie on. I mean, that's a Victorian translation of Celtic material
that was embodied in various Welsh writings, and there's a lot of Arthurian material
in that that puts Arthur into this other world, you know, almost in
a sort of godlike sense. But that's what happens when you deify heroes.
I suppose, you know, you they become they become godlike and yeah,
I say something. It's often costs more and more. And we heard about
all the burning of witches and everything. Merlin wasn't both at the stake at
some point two different time periods. And actually it's a really good question.
You probably don't even know why it's a good question. It's a thing,
well, the answers. The answers. At the same time that druid Ary
is decreasing, the new religion of Christianity is increasing. So these these two
are sort of, you know, on a collision course with each other,
which is why the second chapter of the book deals with Joseph of Arimathea and
the Holy Grail, because there's no point talking about Arthur searching for relics and
stuff like that, and there's no point talking about Arthur's mindset unless you realize
that for the four hundred years before he's here, that's when Christianity is building,
and that's when that tradition comes into play, and at some point it
merges. The two almost come together, probably first century, probably in the
British Isles, might even have been on anglesick. They reached some kind of
agreement and the two come together and it becomes the Celtic Church. But the
Celtic Celtic in very strong language church doesn't operate the same as any other church
anywhere else in the world. Because you've got the Celtic Church, you've got
the Roman Church, which is you know, much later, because that's founded
by Peter and Paul sixty two sixty three a d. Whereas the Celtic one
is Joseph of Arama Theater, and that's kind of fifty two fifty four a
D. You've also got the original Church, because you know, Jesus left
all the Judaic, Hebrew, Hebrew and Egyptian material and he left that behind
in the Middle East. So you've got you've got that growing. So you've
got sort of one in Jerusalem if you like, one in Rome, and
lo and beholds another one over here. And I'm going to stip in neck
out and say it's probably Chester. You know, you had these three capitals
of Christianity. Um, but if you go knock on the Pope's door and
say what's the oldest church on planet Earth, he'll go, oh, that'll
be Joseph's Church in the UK, you know, So yeah, it is.
It's the oldest one founded by Joseph. So spring you mentioned Jesus there
too much in that direction, But do you actually believe there was a someone
named Jesus becting, I mean, I hope I have heard the theory that
he was actually just a um An invention. Basically, well, it's it's
I mean, I'm going to go possibly down that route with the book in
the not too distant future, because a huge number of folks have asked me
similar questions that might be where I'm going next. What appears to be the
problem is, you know, it's like over here there's loads of people called
John. Well, back then in Jerusalem there was loads of people call the
Issuer, which is Joshua. So it's it's a ridiculous percentage. It's something
like twenty two percent of the population male population of Jerusalem had Issuer as a
first name, because at that point it's your second name that's most important.
So you'd have issue a bar Joseph, which is you know, issue a
son of Joseph. Oh, we know which one that is, because you
know those two names are not linked with anybody else. But then when you've
got people saying, oh, well, you know Jesus evangelized, you know
India after he was crucified. Well, I don't have a problem with that.
You know, people started to make themselves look like you would expect Jesus
to look as a part of early Christianity, that was the image, and
there was just hundreds of people called Jesus. They were everywhere. So I
don't don't that's not a problem. Confusing, Yeah, definitely confusing. So
I think there was one individual that was, you know, that did what
they say he did, and there's more than enough evidence to support I think
the existence of that individual. But then all the other stuff, especially the
stuff that's been bolted on the last you know, hundred years or so,
or even stuff has been taken out in the laste hundred years, I'm not
convinced that we're actually flowing the right furrow. I think it's what i'd use.
You know, you're off into Dan Brown of Incycode territory. There there's
all kinds of weird stuff. So what I intended to do is do the
same thing perhaps with the Bible, as I did with Robin Hood and as
I've done with King Arthur. And that's trying to get back to the source
materials and have a look at what the source materials say from the from the
time. You know, I understand there's quite a few debuts around at the
time as oh hell yes, I mean some of the old some of the
Old Testament biblical names just got used to death, you know. But you
would have been you know, David bar whoever, you know. So yeah,
so okay, So where does Gwynavia come into this? Do you think
that she was actually a big part of this story or was she another invention?
When you get to the medieval stuff, which a lot of the feminists
get really upset by because it's terrible, you know, it's really bad the
way they treat her in the medieval stuff. That's not how she really was.
When you get to the Roman stuff and you go back to the original
stuff, Arthur is basically a womanizing battle leader. So he has he ends
up with seven sons and at least three daughters and three wives that we know
of, okay, and they're all for some reason, referred to as Gwynevere.
They have Guinevere as the first name, and then something after it.
But the first wife he has his guire, she produces Mordred. The second
one he has his son Bird from ruthin that he steals off another warrior called
Whale, who then it turns into a battle and he ends up killing Whale
for this other, for this other last and then his last wife. Wife
in inverted commas is Guynevere and she is actually Pictish. She's brought down to
him. I just thought her family was from Edinburgh. The Picts had migrated,
had settled North Wales in the Mersey Valley, Derbyshire, parts of Lancashire,
Incumbery. They'd settled all over the place, so North Wales in particular,
Arthur needed the support of the Picts. So actually she's absolutely crucial when
he marries Gwynevere. The Pics rule through their queens. So when he does
that, when he settles down, you know, when he's older and he
goes, right, this is the bird for me kind of thing, and
he, you know, he settles down. She is so important because she
brings warriors and kudos because you know, she's a queen, you know.
So actually, in the original story she is more important than Arthur. But
she goes wrong at the end. It all goes badly wrong because she does
have an affair, but Lancelot not in the original story. What happens is
Arthur goes over to fight on the continent because he's fighting for the Roman emperor.
I think it's right now, what's her name begins with Sir Theodosius.
He's off fighting for Theodosius on the continent in France. When that happens,
word comes back that he's been killed. So she does what any queen would
do. She marries next of kinds. She ends up with Mordred. But
when Arthur does turn up, when he finally comes back after whatever it is,
eighteen months, two years or whatever, all of a sudden, she's
like, oh ah, right, okay, she's got all his money back
the losing side here. You know, I've just like, you know,
gone off and bomked his son. You know, this is not going to
look good when he gets back. So she does a runner. But she
runs back to Edinburgh and they actually execute her for dishonor because the picks were
notories for keeping weird animals as pets, and it's thought that on the hill
Fort, on the slopes of the hill Fort, when she got home,
they basically released the big cats. So she got torn to bits by whatever
they had, you know, jaguars, tigers, whatever, They just you
know, pulled her to bits, so not a good end. She gets
executed in the end. But she's also a bit of an opportunist. I
think she's, you get the impressions of it, kind of you know,
I am a queen sort of thing, very full of herself, you know,
I'm full of power in this, that and the other. And very
often those kind of people make the wrong decision when everything goes south, and
I think that's what happened to her in the end. So, yeah,
she is. She is incredibly important. You know, she triggers off the
Battle of Baden. You know, somebody insults her. I think somebody actually
gives her a slap, and it's called one of the three three negative Blows
of Britain or something. It's in the Triads, And because she's been slapped,
it triggers off this conflict about honor and dishonor, and it ends up
being the final battle at Camlan. You know, they have this whapping,
great big bust up and it's her that started it. Well, as I
usually do, don't we've been well, terrible, yeah, terrible. Like
I said, she's much more important than the than the medieval version. You
know, she's not just some bird to be traded back in two between nights
in shining armor. She's not like that at all. Yeah, you said
they up home. Now it brings us to like Kemelot. Now, did
Kemelot exist? And where was it? Well? As you know, if
I speak as an archaeologist, and I'm speaking to all the archaeologists wherever they
may be out there in the big wide world, they'll all agree with me
that at that point in the decline of Roman Britain, there's only one city
that qualifies as the number one city in Britain, and that's Chester. It's
eleven acres bigger than anywhere else. It's got the biggest Amphi theater in the
British Isles. It's got this enormous print Kipia, this big commandery building with
the supply base. It's got the biggest Roman baths which gets converted into a
palace, so chances are that's where Arthur's palace was, as about two foot
of debris in it that were built up during the Dark Age period when Arthur
was here. And then it's got the Elliptical Building, which is this weird
circular building right in the middle of it looks just like the Pantheon in Rome,
which in you know, Anglo Saxon Stroke late period Latin, is known
as the table us rotundus or the round floor because table back then meant floor,
it meant a flat area. So when you get this idea that Muling
gives it as a gift, as a wedding gift to Arthur, you know,
it's possible that he rededicated the building at Arthur's wedding to Gryne here and
then it says, but the table sat three hundred and sixty nights. You
think that's one hell of a table. But if you translate table as a
space as a floor, you'd get you'd get three hundred od nights in a
building. That's not difficult, not something the size of the Pantheon anyway,
dead easy. So this is what I mean when I say some of the
later things that find the way into later legend, when you engineer them backwards,
they just make sense. You know, it becomes clear that they are
still based on fact, but they've been corrupted, you know, they've been
t and somewhere else by the by the storytellers who weren't familiar with the original,
No Camelot is Chester. Even the Welsh actually tell you that as late
as when Lamote Arthur was written. Thomas Mallory wrote that in the sort of
late fourteen hundreds, the introduction that was put into that tells you that you
can go and see the ruins of Camelot in Chester, that's where they are,
go and see them. You know, well, yeah, because I've
heard that in Cornwall is supposed to be you know, yeah, possible.
But you don't agree with that at all. No, if you're a huge
fan, if you're a massive fan of Glastonbury and Tin Tadule and you love
London and you think Camelots of Raconium or rocket or whatever, don't bother with
the book because it's just going to annihilate that. It completely annihilates that.
But I'm not the only person to do that, you know, there are
other writers that have pointed out that there are huge inconsistencies in that. You
know that train of thought. You told me that, you know, it's
a it's a Rework Norman legend, it's you know, or anyone's interested in
the actual truth. Yeah, they should. They should be willing toeft in
mind shure, it's just the way I'm looking at it, you know,
yeah, absolutely, you know, there are tiles from the excavation of that
elliptical building. There wasn't a lot of it left, to be honest.
It was swept away in the nineteen seventies by the building of the bus station,
but they kept a lot of bits of it. And there are actual
tiles from the floor of that building in storage in the archaeological facilities in Chester.
So if I got one of them and I kind of got them out
of storage and put them on the floor, I'm looking at the surface that
Arthur walked on. So you can get that close, you know what I
mean. There's one or two other places where you can get that close as
well. And I would say that with absolute confidence. There's no doubt about
it. And what the book does because it's polychronicon because it's in chronological order,
is if you just read the book and you slowly go through the book,
it builds, so you start thinking, hang on a minute, they
did that back then and was in Roman times, and then a bit later
on they stuck this building up, and then a bit later on this comes
into play, and then you've got the Christian martyrs in the arena, and
then you've got you know, and by the time you finished, by time
you get to Arthur, you start to think the way that he thinks,
and you begin to see Chester Camelot the way he saw it, and all
of a sudden, by time you get to the end of that section,
you're like, you know, there can't possibly be anywhere else. There is
nowhere else. You know, that period in time, Winchester was Anglo Saxon,
so that didn't exist Veryconium was just a big town Rocketer which had gone
derelict by then, so that's useless. London's Viking so that's even later.
You know, Yeah, there was a socking great big Roman fort there,
but you know, Chester's eleven acre is bigger than any Roman fort ever built
worldwide. It's massive, you know, it's enormous. Vespasian and his son
Titus, I think his son is but Vespasian came back from Jerusalem to Britain
and then designed Chester and built Chester. So you can see where his mind
was that, you know, he was he was building a world class capital
city and all these little these are little bits of things nobody ever says you
know what I'm telling you now is unique to the book, and as I
say, people will read it and then gradually it builds this picture, you
know, and I expect people to kind of shut the book after chapter four
and go, whoa the wolf I just read. Yeah, I have to
go back and start again because chapter five is the that's the academic bit.
I thought. People are going to read this book and they're going to a
load of nonsense. They say, I don't know where he's got any of
this from. But the entire of the last chapter five is all the literature,
and it's all again in chronological order, and it just runs through you
can see how the legend developed. So there is something there for the academics,
you know, it's not it's not a non academic work. It's got
all the all the clouds as it were. Right at the end. Yea.
I've made a mass visit Chester because I've never been there, so oh,
it's amazing. It's got one of the biggest circuits of Roman surviving Roman
walls um in the world. I think there's only two or three other sites
that have got better walls and you can still walk all the way around them.
Now, you know, there's half the Amphitheater out there. You can
see it excavated. And oh and then you get into the mysteries. Gonna
have a looking Saint John's Church going looking, you know, in the in
the main, main, happy church in the middle. And I must book
a couple of days in Chester one of the things this summer. Yeah,
right now, I guess we kind of come into something. I never thought
that came into one wine. As you have mentioned about the Knights of the
round Table, why is it that only maybe a couple of nights thats you
made fame from the knights and so gawayne, I think it was night and
oh yeah, the kind of the only gal ahead. They're kind of the
only ones you ever got to hear here wolf. Well, there's a formula.
There's actually a formula involved. I've got to say, John, I've
got to thank John Matthews for this, because he's a famous souther Arean Schollars
written hundreds of books, but he took the trouble to go back and actually
see how many warriors he could find. So he went back into the Welsh.
I think he got something like two hundred and sixty odd names actual names
from different records, ancient records of who these warriors were. But and this
is the Big Book, there were traditionally twelve really strong warriors gathered together in
Welsh tradition into groups of three, So he got four groups of three.
Lancelot isn't one of them. He's not listed because that name Lancelot is it's
a medieval invention. It links to Roger Rappottio who was in charge of Lancashire,
so it goes it's post Norman. It's a medieval writing if you like,
which is why Lancelot, by the ways up in Lancashire, So like
Martin Meer is where the mermaid fostered him, and he fights a giant at
Medlock Forward, which is giant Tarquin at Medlock Forward, which is in Manchester.
So a lot of Lancelot stuff Slancashire. But going back to the original
lists, the original list is Welsh, so all the names are Welsh.
So like you know, GWayne is Glackmey I think is which means the Hawk
of may or the hawker battle. But all the names are Welsh. But
the reason they've done that in threes is a bit like the Heaf and Taffle
board, which is the where you've got a king in the center and he's
defended by immediate nights, and then you have other knights on the outside of
the board that attack him. So that board, that concept Nine Men's Morris
or whatever you want to call it, which was a shepherd's game in Wales
that is actually designed to teach people's strategy. Well, Arthur needed prominent nights,
he needed certain nights in order to be strategic. So they're like lesser
battle leaders if you like, lesser chieftains. Perceval, Boars, GWayne.
Trying to think of some of the others. There's one called eli Wad,
who's a dwarf. You won't have heard of him. Merlin is listed actually
as a warrior because he's a fighter. Oh gosh, there's more Perador.
Trying to think who they all are Anyway, they're all in the book.
They're all listed. I've got all the names and a brief description of who
they are and what they're skilled at, what they do. There's a brilliant
story in the World's called par Gur and Pargur. It translates basically as who
are you? It's called what Night, but it's who are you? Because
what happens is Arthur comes riding up to one of his forts on the Climb
Peninsula in Wales. He rides up to this hill fort and they have holding
areas in front of the gate. It's also called what man or the gatekeeper,
because the gatekeepers on top of the gate. And he doesn't know who
these people are, so he shouts down basically, and he goes, who
are you now? At that point Arthur then asked to tell him who they
are, so then you get this list. He sets off with this list.
Well, I'm Arthur of the so and so and this that and the
other. And then somebody else shouts in and goes, you know, I'm
I'm Gwaine of the such and such a thing, And you get all of
his you know, and Kai, I'm Sakai Kai the fair and I'm you
know. So by the time you finished it, unfortunately we've only got the
first bit because the manuscript is lost from a certain point, but you get
it. Most of the dozen nights are listed, and they tell you,
well, I was in this story, and I did this story, and
I did this great deed, and I went searching for this and and by
the time you finished it all ties it together. But it's a really really
important piece because it's set in the right period, at the right location,
at the right time. You know, they had hill forts, they did
this, you know, it's it's absolutely bang on, very early Welsh one
and that's where a lot of the names come from, you know. Fascinating.
Well, everybody, everybody turns around and they all go, do you
know what, there's absolutely nothing to do with the old author that survived.
You know, I read a book the other day there was only three references
in it and I'm thinking, well, you know that's not true, because
yes, we've only got the manuscripts maybe from the seven eighth, ninth century
that have then been survived in copies. You know, but we go from
the language, you know, the archaeol linguistics. We've gone and checked and
we can tell that these are from older sources. So as long as it's
before Jeffrey Monmouth, you're unfairly safe ground. You know, it's it's coming
from somewhere else. It's and even Jeffrey it's great, you know, he's
doing the history of the Kings of Britain and all that, and he says,
well, I went down to the library at Bangor, and I got
me old mate down at Banger to lone me some books. And that's how
I know what this bit of the history is. So he's telling you even
he's telling you that he's got his source material from North Wales. You know,
he's telling you that's where it comes from. So what you do is
you just you follow the thread, don't you. You know what I mean,
you follow it back. So really, what they've had in history,
you've got King Arthur and May kind of Selance a lot has quite at the
second biggest name in the story, if you like, when the whole is
really it's it's Lancelot is the night in Shining Armor, and they replaced it's
the Barbarian in Shining Armor, who was actually Seguayne. So everything Lancelot ends
up being in the later tradition essentially, that's what Seguayne was in the earlier
tradition. A figurehead. Really, Yeah, they just they wanted they wanted
a nice French you know, shining Renaissance polished armor type. You know what
the TV series the Old yet very first got a TV show. I remember,
well, well, the best example is Excalibur in it that movie I
mean everything shiny and bright, and you know, but I like Merlin in
that Merlin. I think it's very convincing as a grumpy old guy that doesn't
want to be mither. You know, he's great, he's brilliant. Yeah,
you know it has merits to come onto his scaliber, the sword in
the stone and everything. Yeah. Is there truth in that story about the
store in the stone that only Arthur could pull it out? Um? Yes,
but you've got to almost flip it on its head. If you know
that at Arthur's crowning when he was fifteen, because he was crowning Chester,
the World's tell you, he was awarded a bronze sword of office, and
another three rulers warriors who had also had bronze swords of office turned up for
his for his coronation, if you like, for his appointment as as Duke
of Battles. When you know that the process for casting bronze swords was that
you had two halves of a stone mold, and you poured the bronze in
to the top of the mold till it spat, and then what you had
to do was you had to split in half and pull the sword from the
stone. You had to be the only way you were going to get it
out, and it was usually done under the prying eyes of the druid.
So you've got Merlin there. So the original ones called calder ball go caliburn,
which means shining or flashing one. So you can imagine them opening the
mold up and getting Arthur to come in and pull out his ceremonial sword and
Merlin going right, it's already shiny, it's flashing. That's what we'll call
it calder ball. So that makes perfect sense archaeologically. You know, they've
even done that on Time Team. They've had a go at bronze casting on
television on Time Team, and they know how it was done. So,
yes, he did pull a sword from a stone, but you know it
wasn't like a big iron medieval anvil set on a rock in a churchyard with
you know, this cross shaped sword sticking out. I mean, that's that's
been modernized to medieval tastes. You know. Also he did have iron swords.
He had too, which were Roman Gladius type swords. He definitely had
them because if you into battle with the bronze sword, somebody hit it with
an iron one. They just chop it in half because it's too soft.
It's like the lead. So he had his ceremonial sword. And then Excalibur,
the thing that the medieval people focus on as excalibur. That was an
iron sword, very much like the Viking swords, you know, proper folded
piece of metal, which I think has ended up in the church. The
Holy Sepulcher courtesy of Richard the lion Heart. I think he gifted it to
the church in medieval times during the Crusades. So even that's still kicking around
out there. I always say this, one of these days, I'm going
to phone up the church the only seplicer and go, have you guys got
a rusty old iron bar and a cupboard somewhere and you've got no idea what
it is? You know, did anybody out there wants to make a documentary
or a television series. I'd be delighted to do that on camera. Sounds
amazing. You might get a phone call, you never know. It'd be
great, Yeah, especially if it's Spielberg. Sorry money joking, only joking.
I'm sure you're not where does so we've got his scali where the Lady
of the Lake when when the sword was throwing in the laker and this hand
comes up with the sword. That's interesting. I think that goes back to
you what we were discussing at the beginning, the idea that the Celts had
that, you know, if you've got this mirror flat stretch of water that's
mirroring you know, the existence of us, you know, it's as above
so below sort of thing. Because whatever's going up obviously goes down as well.
They had this idea that there were beings, spiritual beings living below that
level, you know, on to the next level. And I think it's
a survival of this idea of throwing offerings into water. The reason I think
that is everybody goes, yeah, okay, we know about the Bronze Age.
We know about flag Fen and all the offerings that were thrown in during
the Bronze Age, and you know, swords, daggers, knives, shavers,
axe heads, loads of axe heads, anything that was circular got thrown
in because it represented the sun. Yes, we know all about that in
the Bronze Age. What most people don't realize, right up to medieval times,
in the ten hundreds and even hundreds, twelve hundreds, even in the
thirteen hundreds, they were still throwing swords into lakes. It's the same tradition,
it's the same idea. So the idea that there's a female force in
there is very celtic. The idea there's a goddess or water goddess, you
know, the Romans had the water nymphs and water sprites and things like that.
The idea of that persisting into medieval legend to create the Lady of the
Lake, that's perfectly acceptable. I mean, to be honest, the whold
of what we've just discussed that section majority that doesn't appear in the book because
the book's very factual. I don't really discuss the Lady of the Lake as
a character because she's mythology. That's where the mythology crosses over, you know,
the belief systems come in. It's not really a mythological book. I
mean, there is mythological stuff in there, but a lot of it it's
very down to earth, matter of fact as you possibly could. Yeah,
yeah, I mean, you know, has the idea of some lady coming
up with a sword out of the lake, and that's that's the basis of
you know, authority and rulership. That's quite like the idea of that.
I think I think we kind of need that now. Yeah, I think
I think because we're talking King Arthur, we've got to have those types of
subjects because I think, yeah, where the real history and mythology sort of
crossover, don't they? Well, it does overlap. This is where the
academic side of it comes in. And I think John Matthews was quite happy
with the way I dealt with it, and a couple of other academics,
because you do at some point you have to differentiate between the two. You
know, you've got to say, Okay, when Arthur's fighting a dragon,
is he fighting a dragon? Or is he fighting a Viking ship with a
dragon head on the front. You know, when he goes off hunting balls
wild balls, is he hunting a huge giant wild ball that leads footprints in
rocks? Or is he going off hunting Anglo Saxons whose emblem is a ball?
You see where this is going, and that kind of slightly more sensible
approach. A lot of people don't do that. A lot of people just
go, you know, yeah, that's over there, that's spiritual. You
know that that can't be real you know, and then this bit over here.
Yeah, that's physical because that physically exists. It's not a clear it's
not clear cut. You know, there's not a line down the middle that
puts you into one camp or the other. Because the Celts in particular,
Boy did they spiritualize stuff. You know, they really did. He has
a battle with the cat at one point, and the cats are on anglesey,
and he has this giant fight with this enormous cat, leaves claws in
his shields and shreds Arthur to bits. And I think it's only Kai and
GWayne that's saved him from being killed and all this. But the cats,
the Qatari, were a Celtic tribe named after the cat. So all you
do is go look where the Qatari work. Guess what they're an anglesey.
As soon as you start looking at the end, you can see how they're
sort of physicalized something that was physical, but only in a spiritual sense.
You've got a sort out, you know, the wood from the trees.
Yeah, of course there were cats on Anglesey, but they weren't big cats.
They weren't. You know, it was a tribe he had. He
had a massive scrap with the tribe and they almost killed him. Yeah,
so they kind of exaggerated the story too. I supposed to make it into
a religion. And at the same time, if you're sat in the in
the Great Hall, you know, and it's six hundred a d. And
somebody's giving you the heroic tales of Arthur. He fought this cat, and
fought this bear, and he fought this wolf, and he fought this you
know you're going to be sat there going, well, I know who that
tribe is, and I know who that tribe is, and I know what
race the wolves are. You know, they're Vikings, and you know the
boars are the Saxons, and you'd automatically know that. But here we are,
eight hundred years later and we've lost it. You know, it's it's
all the years it's took to do the book. It took forty five years
in total to get the book into print. You know, I've buried myself
in the mythology of that period, and you know the way they looked at
these things, So you've got to you you know, as they call it
context contextualization, it's when you put things into context. You have to look
at things the way they looked at them, not the way we look at
them. You know, there's so much rubbish written about Arthur where people have
not done that. You know, they're taking stuff from all over the place,
all different periods, and you know they've got no idea of you know,
I mean, my speciality was the Celts. Years and years, that's
been my speciality. So when you know that that's what period you're dealing with,
you've got to go back and do it the way they would have done
it. I can't wait to get older Bible material. That's just going to
be fascinating. Yeah, ufo stings and all sorts of things. Oh,
she don't get me on Ezekiel, but gone off you go. I'm going
to say to put your name there from Mastermind on King Arthur. Have you
tried it? Well, you know what's going to happen doing you. They're
all going to go, well, you know, let's ask you all about
Jeffrey and mon Month. And I'm gonna be like, I don't do that
people, I don't do the medieval stuff. Yeah, I've got to say,
we'll looking through a list of things that you've you've sackled over your over
your life. That's what I'll say, it's actually blows me away. And
I think a good demonstration is what you've been talking about with King Arthur shows
the height of your knowledge with no notes in front of you basically yeah,
yeah, without a net is that is that the same with all your subjects
basically you can talk yeah people, Yeah, people have commented on that.
I mean I do about thirty I think I'm up to thirty seven power points
and what they are, they're like they're like live television shows. So if
people book me for a talk, basically you've got an hour and you've got
maybe six or seven hundred different images that will pop up on the screen behind
me. And I don't use notes. I just I just don't learn it.
You know, it's ridiculous. I would say you've got to have some
kind of photographic memory knowledge because I don't think I could do it without notes
in front of them. Anyway. Well, anybody out there, I'm not
saying this in a bad way. I'm saying this in a good way.
But anybody out there is even slightly autistic or on the spectrum will know that
an image is sufficient to trigger off what you need. Because people think differently,
they think in terms of pictures. They think in terms of images.
I sit somewhere between the two, you know, so one just want to
get cracking. All my cues are up there on the screen somewhere, you
know, and I've got a rough idea where it's going. So it's not
entirely without you know, some kind of prompting unless we do an interview like
this in your head sort of thing. Yeah, there's something up there.
You look at it and you go, what did I used to talk about
when I when I when I put this slide up, I remember it now,
So that helps with the talks. But I mean interviews like this,
I'm doing this totally from totally from memory. You know. There's four hundred
and eighty eight pages of notes, so there's no point thumbing through take forever
trying to find them. Yeah, it's yeah, it amazing. I mean
also, I mean I'll just recently, although it recently, I obtained a
Robin Hood video from you which was from a few years ago. Yeah,
that's fascinated by the amounts of different connections with different cities, or we always
think of Robin Hood has connected to Nottingham and Sherwood and everything. But yeah,
if you go, there's connections all the work. Yeah, in the
real world, he and he spent about three or four days in Nottingham.
I mean, he was in the woods around Nottingham. But it's only the
time when when Richard the Lionheart's actually in this country, the rare occasion,
one of the rare two occasions he was here. It's only when he's here
and he's at Nottingham that that Robin's there at Nottingham. Nottingham has just been
very good at claiming it as their own, you know, very much as
Glastonbury has claimed Arthur as its own over a long period of time. But
then that's it's kind of a footnote, if you like, because the prominence
and the importance of Chess that has deliberately been covered up. You know,
they've they've destroyed all of that. The last vestige of that was the Palatine
counties of Lancashire and Cheshire, which they did away with in nineteen seventy two,
the self governing counties. That was the end of it. But that
was the end of you know, two thousand years of rule by Chester.
So lo and behold, you're gonna have a look at robin Hood is brought
up, if you like. He's adopted and brought up by one of the
earls of Chester. So his traditional foundation, if you like, is the
same traditional foundation as you'll find in this book about Arthur. They're just building
on Chester. I think Chester has just you know, it's the last gem.
It's the absolute gem of Britain. You know, it's it's like it's
it's the center of the spokes of the wheel. You know, the rest
of everything else revolves around Chester. For two thousand years, Chester has really
been the key, you know, the key place. I'll give you an
example, just to get back to the book again. I was just curious.
I did something as an experiment, just so we're coming towards the end
of the book, and I had a look at what happened when the Roman
Empire broke up, because obviously eventually it ended up breaking up into the Eastern
Empire in the Western Empire, so you still had Rome in the middle.
But then the capital of the Eastern Empire, which became the Byzantines, was
Constantinople, which is a standbull. So I thought, okay, you've got
a capital over there, where's the capital of the Western Empire. So I
wonder what happens if I have a look at Chester. So I had to
look at Chester, I'd look at Constantinople, and you've got Rome in the
middle. So I thought, let's do the obvious thing, you know,
let's go all the way back to the days of questing and all that,
you know, and look at the geography. How many Roman miles are those
two cities away from Rome, give all take not very much. Wow,
they're the same distance away, it is. And when you look at that,
when you think, okay, somebody's actually set off from Rome somewhere,
you know, maybe it was Vespasia Espasian in the first century. They've set
off, and they've gone off and had a look and decided where the furthest
points of the empire are and then stuck a whopping great big city there on
purpose. And that's how it looks to me. Now everybody knows about Constantinople
because a Constantine the Great, you know, he founded that as like the
big you know, the big thing over there. But then when you come
across to here, you don't realize that Constantine the Great was crowned Emperor of
Rome in York. So he's a brit At the end of the day.
Constantine was born to Constantus and Helena, who was a Britain, so at
the end of the day, he's a brit Well, he would have known
that Chester was the other option. So when he decides to put Constantinople in,
as soon as you start looking at both of those centers, you think,
oh, they've got a lot in common. And it's this commonality with
the rest of the Roman world that you know, it just it obliterates London.
London ceases to exist, It doesn't even come into the frame. It's
not there for a thousand years, you know about I don't know, ten
hundred, eleven hundred, when they that starts to take off after the Saxons.
So you know, when you go back two thousand years, it's all
about the Roman Empire, and you've got to look at the structure that they
created. But they don't blow me if they're not the same distance away from
Rome. You know, the parallels are just uncanny. It's crazy. Yeah.
Yeah, you never learned a little bit out of school, do you.
No, nobody says that there's so much, so much they don't tell
you at school. They really don't. You know. So what sort of
reactions do you get when you, I don't know, you talked to university
places, don't you? In other places you do these talks? Should you
get when? Well, initially, they're very cautious because I'm media orientated.
So, as we were saying off camera at the beginning, I've done TV
series and a lot of the academics are very cautious when it comes to people
doing television, you know. I mean, the fact that I've appeared on
ancient Aliens has probably you know, scuppered any chance of me being taken seriously
for goodness knows how long now, But I don't care. Well, I
don't know, I'll take it seriously. Well yeah, yeah, well it's
it's a new generation, isn't it. We're you know, we're in the
twenty first century now, and so yeah, some of them are cautious when
when they first approached me, the various academic institutions, they're quite cautious.
But then as soon as they know what I'm about, they see what I
do, and I do the lectures, and you know, they look at
the way the books are written, things like that. Normally they could then
go to the other extreme and they realize that actually I'm champion championing the cause.
You know, I'm putting stuff out there that otherwise nobody would know about,
you know, it would just disappear. I've had loads of people,
loads of people come up to me and gone, you know, I've watched
your TV series or watch your TV program or whatever, and you know,
it got me started on this and I went off and studied that and excuse
me, you know. So it's yeah, academically, you know, Chester
still calls on me occasionally. I'm still lecturing at Wilmslow Guild, which is
the oldest adult lecturing facility I think in the world. It's just coming up
for one hundred years. I think it's next year or the year after.
So I'm still in academi you know, I still get called upon to do
things in archaeology and what have you, and I don't intend to give that
up. Really. You know. Somebody said the other day when you're going
to retire, and the answer is, I don't. Yeah, I'm not
going to. I think they assume I make a fortune doing television, but
you don't. It's great for your profile, but doesn't It doesn't make a
lot of money. You just get paid for a job and off you go.
You know, that's it. Yeah, I mean I would say they
probably the books that you've written at King Arthur probably costume. Man need to
actually do it with all your sund I don't even want to know, I
mean, how much time, you know, Yeah, I mean, it's
what I'm saying. I mean when when when philipp flying This Press said yeah,
go on, I'll take it. I'll take a chance, you know,
because he does UFOs, he doesn't do history. But as it turned
out, it's been a really good popular book for him, which I'm glad.
But when he said, you know, yeah, go on, I
think I'll take it. It took me fifty five hours to format it,
so I sent it to him finished. But that's that. I'm never going
to get that fifty five hours back. You know, it's never going to
pay for itself. But without the research in the first place. Oh forty
odd years, yeah, forty plush years. But my way of looking at
it is, you know, at the start of the last millennium you had
Jeffrey Monmouth and his history of the Kings of Britain. You know, that
was a brutus book, as they call them, which is this idea that
you're writing about the matter of Britain. You're writing about British history, you
know, and the legends and the stories of Britain that started the last millennium.
So I'm thinking, well, this one, obviously, this one will
start this millennium. So if people are still you know, arguing over this
and reading it and thrashing over it as long as they have, Jeffrey,
I'll be quite happy. You know, they'll still be rowing over it in
nine hundred years time, you know, so I'm quite happy about that.
So it's definitely not about the money, absolutely not, unless somebody comes along
and goes, I'll tell you what. We'll pay you a decent amount to
do a couple of documentaries and I'll be like, all right, might you
can happen? Yeah, I might retire after that'd be great to do it,
though, I mean, that'd just be awesome. That's where my heart's
at, you know, get all of the camera crew and on location and
actually show people where these things aren't going. This is where it is,
you know. That would just be brilliant. If anyone happens to be a
listing and you'd like to take market. I put on that m Please get
in touch with Mark all myself and shout me on Facebook. I'm on messing,
you know. I mean, we do go out all over the States
and there's quite a lot of Americas that are interesting. This covers. Yeah,
yeah, you never know who might be listing. Mark. But it's
it's not going anything to do with UFOs, but it's it's it's a good
story, believe No. Well from maybe on another show we'll go into a
bit more about UFOs and stuff. Yeah. I just say there's a message
amount of material that we can cover over to some shows. I hope you'll
come on again at some point. Absolutely. You're just about have a guest
appearance here by somebody that turns up quite regularly. Just arrived. He usually
walks across the back. He's got this thing about interviews, you see.
He likes to appear is it's stampy stamp because he stamps. He stamps with
his feet. He's been all over the world, He's been broadcast all over
the world. He really as people just in on the audio. Cats just
appeared on the screen. Yeah, yeah, we've got a cat here.
But Mark, it's been fantastic talking to you now. The name of your
book again, please, it's the Polychronicon of Merlin, Joseph and Arthur.
And if people want to get any of me books, because some of them
are got quirky titles, just type my name into Amazon. And even the
ones I did back in the nineteen nineties you can still get on Amazon.
They're still there. So that's got to be the way forward, you know,
just click it, pay for a few days later it comes through your
door's mark. Oh yes, double ill wire. That's all it is.
It is, and so you should be able to find all sorts of amazing
staff from Mark. I mean, it's fascinating the amount of stuff you've done,
obviously, But anyway, are you going to be appearing anywhere? I
mean, aren't going to the Awakening in Manchester? I'm hot. I think
it's August. I'm definitely going to blag me way in as a guest.
I mean, I can't. You can't miss an event like that, can
you, really, You just can't. So so yeah, she'll see you
there. You should see me awakening. Hopefully you're going to bring a couple
of books with you all probably well, I mean, at the end of
the day. Most people can just you know, they can just click and
buy when I'm there. But I don't know. I don't know whether I
want like, I know what you mean, you don't want to like a
lot of books about Yeah, I just I don't. I don't know.
I might bring I might bring a few things with me that people will be
interested in, because it'd be wrong not too so, you know, just
tag on the end of somebody's stole somewhere with the books for a day.
I'm not sure I can come for all three days. We'll just have to
see im for all three days. But I hope you'll pick up meet you
for one of that. I'll buy you a drinking get to meet you.
Yeah, all right, Yeah, Yeah. It's funny because at one event
I was looking at you, thinking, I know who you are, I
know, I know who that is, and we passed in the doorway and
we kind of just nodded and that was it. So yeah, you know
what that was with the the Whitty Street. But you've been I know you
from somewhere. You know what it's like. You don't get a lot of
time in between, sort of like the little you've been. Do you when
you'll get to your seat ready for the next biard. I'll have to go
back to the Lost Treasures look as well, you know, because by the
end of the year, this this beard, I'm going to be tripping over
it, you know. I mean, for those of you listen just listening
in, I have an enormous beard. I look like it's easy top at
the moment because father Christmas beards, You've got an that's all. Yeah,
yeah, keep it till keep it till December and just rent a red suit
out. But no, it'll probably be gone by the end of the year.
But there you go. Well, hopefully I'll recognize you. I should
do. But yeah, hopefully over you'll recognizemer so she color or something and
I'll say hi, for sure, definitely, but we might even do another
show before that. Yeah, i'd be nice something. I've got this book
coming out in August. Europe's rooswell, because there was a UFO crash outside
Abreast within nineteen eighty three. So Philip just said to me one day,
said, look, I do UFOs. Isn't it time you did a Poe
book? And by the way, it's forty years since this crash, because
I did a documentary DVD in two thousand and eight on it, which will
probably find on online somewhere. I'm sure it's it's out or Amazon, Amazon
Prime. I think he might get it on but it's out there. So
he said, well, why don't you just do it as a book,
you know, because you can't get the DVD anymore. So I'm like,
yeah, that's not a bad ideas August. We're hoping to get it out
in August. Okay, book you for August? Is that all right?
Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, we'll do another shoulder Yeah, drop me
a line on Messenger anytime. Absolutely fantastic. Well'll be fantastic talking to you.
Thank you so much for following your time to come on. That's all
right, it's pleasure. It's been a great pleasure having you one and I
will see you and we definitely will do another show. Lovely show for having
me. I've written about forty shows. Do we go here from all your
stuff? Be happy to do it. Yeah, thanks for it's been so
good talking to you, and take care of yourself and all right, if
you take your beard off or not, I'll see you a Manchester. You'll
see me soon, all right. Then, every single month thank you pretty
much. By well, there we are. That was Mark Oli. What
a fountain of knowledge. Amazing and I do instead to get Mark call again
a bit later this year with other subjects in the not too just the future.
Okay, right. The next show, which is going to be Monday
the twenty second of May, is going to be with uthologist Dave Podrean.
They've had a lot of experience over the years and investigated many ufocuses, so
that should be interesting. As always, if you'd like to get in touch
with me, my email address is David Young took you in at yahoo dot
co dot uk. That's David Young took you in at Yahoo dot co dot
uk. So I hope you'll join me for the next show, which is
on May the twenty second, and that'll be Dave Podrean. So until the
next time. This is David Young signing out and I'll speak to you next
time. Take care of everyone, Bye bye. I took it for grantedranted
in science, nothing has taken for granted. But what are we going to
do that? My dear soul is your parable dimensions is as bright and powerful
as our celestial star. That's have and although it's expending thousands of pounds of
energy every minute of the day. Have no fear, there's plenty left.
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