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describe him well, sir? He was small and skinny. He had his
head was pointed, he came to a very sharp point. He had long
green hair. His eyes were a sort of purplish red. He had large
ears which were formed like an antenna. His teeth were perfect, but spread
far apart. And I noticed too, a jacket of some sort of spun
glass and bright red buclic hues. You say this all took place in a
few seconds, mister Nagolschman, can you tell me what colored tie I'm wearing?
The sorrow, Sir, I didn't notice. You mean to say,
you can remember everything about this man from the spaceship, his hair, the
color of his eyes, the clothing he was wearing. And yet after all
this time, you can't tell me the color of my tie. But you
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with David Ya did you sterilize my number? Twenty three Scalpel, Hello and
welcome to the show. I'm David Young. Well with a little bit of
talk about aliens. We're going back to the time of the alien Autopsy once
again with the men who produced it, mister spirous Malaris. A few things
have happened since the last time we was on the show, which wasn't how
the ago I have to say, but it's a continuously developing situation with the
alien autopsy, and believe it or not, there are still people out there
that believe it's real. So I'm not going to waste him more time.
I'm not going to welcome Spiritus Malara, respect to the show. Oh Spirits,
welcome to the show. Hi, Thank you, David, very very
good to be with you again. Yes, I think this is like your
fourth appearance, is it. I think on the show I've lost count.
Yeah, I know, I've looked count. I'm sure it must be around
about the full time. Now we must introduce you a little bit. I
know a lot of people will know who you are, but there may be
some people who don't know who you are. I don't really want to do
a big detailed thing about the alien Autopsy, which you are the the other
man who produced it, and and you're kind of sold down the river a
little bit over it. You could do a little bit of an outline,
but you don't. Don't because I mean, we've got all the detailed in
the previous shows. If anyone wants to hear all the real details, it's
all in the previous show. But there's been a few things that have happened
over the last couple of years that are getting quite interesting as far as the
Alien Autopsy goes. To say, as our good friend Mantle once said,
and he said this some years ago now, he said, it's never going
away. Yeah right, And I said, we'll event a little diet,
it will die down and people love interesting. He said, no, it's
not going anywhere. It was never going to go away, and he was
right. It reinvents itself every year, every single year, something new happens,
and well, I always find it, I'll continue to find it amazing
that there's still people. They pop up all over the place saying they still
believe it's real. You know it's genuine. Now, we talked about the
Aiding autopsy hoax that you came out with in nineteen ninety five. Everything,
I'm right, that's right, yeah, correct it. And it was.
It was a worldwide phenomena. Really everyone was debating with it was all real
or not? And I was, I must have a bit. When I
first saw it, I thought it was real, and then then what did
I mean? I'm being honest. I had the VHS copy and everything,
and then I think later I got a DVD copy of it, and you
know, an of course it was going around and then you start thinking or
is it real or is it not? And you know, but even when
even when you were on the fence, it still it was so convincing.
Did it looked real? Yes? And then that's really all down to you
and you and your team. It's not all you, was it. It
was your your team of experts with the I had. I didn't actually know
this at the time, but I say this at every opportunity, But I
didn't realize at the time that I had a small group of people who were
the best at what they did. In the world at that time and probably
even now right because they because they weren't in the public eye and they weren't
singing and dancing from the trees and screaming their names out, people didn't know
who they were, right. But for example, John Humphries was not only
was he super talented as an artist, but it was it's a genius.
He's a he's is He invented ways of doing stuff when you're making molds and
when you're when you're sculpting, and you know, he invented ways of making
it easier and quicker and cutting corners and saving money and you know, all
that sort of stuff, because it's an expensive process. If you want to
make a mold, you know, there's a lot involved. It's not just
doing the sculpt it's fiberglass and it's plaster and it's metal rods, and it's
all all sorts of stuff. You pile it all up and it comes to
money. You know, you're you're doing just like a one off, aren't
you You're doing a real specialized one. Yeah, just as if you're going
to go into a mess production for it. So there you there you have.
One of My best friends, right was the only person on the planet
that could have done that at that time. There wasn't anyone else around who
could. I have got to do what he did because he needed to live
on site. He needed to just drop it a scene and create something that
no one's ever seen before and make it sensible, you know. And I
sat down with him and designed what the alien was going to be, how
it how it functioned. And people don't realize, but we had to do.
We had to do stuff from the ground up. Who is this alien?
Where does it come from, how does it live, how does it
reproduce, how does it eat? What does it do? All of those
things before you build it. You can't build something that you don't know how
it works, otherwise you end up with, you know, a dummy,
a rubber dummy. So I had the best in the world today. John
Is is a Royal Academy lecturer, which is quite something. And he's the
guy that Damian Hrs, for example, employees to make stuff for him that
sells for millions of quids. So you know, we're talking the top of
his game. And he was there at my beck and call and underrated and
under under valued if I'm honest, because you know, it was no idea
who I had. I had at my exposure, disposure, and I also
had my ex girlfriend Georgina. She was unbelievable researcher, you know, and
meticulous detail and all that sort of stuff at my at my fingertips, you
know, and all of these people when you put when you put together what
we all did. I think it was a moment in time that just happened
there and then, and I don't think can ever happen again. At this
point that they actually paid. They were actually in the field as well,
were they. George he paid the part of the surgeon, and Georgina was
in a role of the assisting nurse. That's right, But away from that
in the film they played those roles. But away from that, Georgina taught
John how to do an autopsy, right, She researched how to do an
auto see, and then talked to John right away from us filming, John
sculpted the alien, made the mold, created the body with me. By
the way I mean it says, it's a heavy job. You've got to
lift. It's a big, big old mold, and you've got to lift
it and turn it and all sorts. Of studies, a two man job,
and so John created the alien with me. Meanwhile, I'm building a
set so that whole room had to be built within another room in a house
in Camden. And then and Georgina was in libraries researching all the stuff we
had to do in terms of how do you do this autopsy and how how
do you behave? What equipment do you use? All that sort of stuff,
So we're multitasked again and again and again. It wasn't one job.
I drew the outfits that they were wearing up the pattern, gave it to
Georgina, who was a hobbyist. She had a little such soul machine.
We went to John Lewis and bought some rubber eyes, metalized cloth off a
roll and we laid down the pattern I made, cut it out, and
then she stitched it. So the same girl that didn't did the research and
played the nurse in the film was also the person who made the costumes.
I know, I know. And she came up with some other equipment as
well, didn't she. Yeah, she got the she got the autopsy kit,
which is a funny story in itself because it's just one of those fluke
situation I mean, just just explain. Georgina was gorgeous, and she was.
She was a very beautiful woman. I miss she still, Liz,
but she was. She was, she was stunning, right and she she
she walked into a room. Every guy looked at her. Everybody turned around
and to look who she said, and she was shapely figure and tall,
blonde, you know. She she walked into this library, this medical library,
and immediately got the attention of everybody there, you know. And this
young doctor came over and can I help use anything you're looking for, you
know, and got busy, and she started asking questions about autopsic kit used
in America in the forties and how it how it differed, and you know,
and she just stumbled on a guy whose father used to collect autopsy kits
and another doctor, and he had a vast number of different kits through the
throughout time and knew all about them, and explained to her that the Americans
had solid stainless deel scalpels and tools, and the the Brits had wooden handles
in the forties, so they didn't have all stainless deal there were wooden handles
with blades, and so that was a massive mistake we were about to make,
right because I was going to go and just buy an autopsic from the
forties, you know. So she said, well, I need to I
need to get some photos or some side that's so we need to make some
props. And he said, well, I've got actually got a kit back
at my place. And I made the joke that you know, it's the
it's the old coming seed, come back to my place, see my etchings
line, you know. And and she she said, well, I'd love
to come back and photograph, and that's okay, and he said, well
why don't you Because he was in a hurry to leave, he said,
won't just take the kit, photograph your leisure and bring it back. So
she arrived at the house with this Hessian bag with a box inside and very
pleased with herself. You're not going to believe what I've got. And she
had a genuine nineteen forty five to forty six, brand new in the cellar
phane. Everything was brand new in a beautiful wooden chest or too see kit
from America. Yea, it's unbelievable and I know it's just like one of
those one of those wow moments. And she said, we've got to photograph
it and then I'll take it back. And I said, well, George,
look if we just photograph it in the box as we take it out
and then make sure it goes back the same way, why don't we use
it save ourselves an awful lot of trouble. And I'm not going to use
all of it. We'll just leave it all on the tray out and leave
it on a tray, said, we can see a full kit there,
so if you're actually doing a real autopsy with it, is a little bit
of it. And yeah, yeah, So so we actually used the kit
and then and then cleaned it up, meticulously, put it all back as
it was, and and and delivered it back to the guy. And but
but that that was just one of those things that fell in out our lap,
unheard of, right, So yeah, I think it was a moment
in time where there was some kind of that's some kind of energy that was
that was just focused on this one thing that it all just fell in place.
I was asked by the BBC, could I create another hoax that's going
to do the same as this one did, go global and fool everyone,
And I thought I can, and I probably will, and I'll fill you
in on that as as it happens. But the climate has changed now,
everything that the landscape has changed. Where it was pre Internet and effects were,
you know, were in order to achieve what we did, you had
to be top of your game. Today CGI makes it so easy. So
I don't believe anyone's going to ever come up with anything now that anyone's going
to believe because the first thing you'll do is you say, oh yeah,
Cgi, yeah right. You would never have said that ninety five. All
right, So it was a lot more a lot more basic, at a
lot more cruder, you know, and it was it wasn't something that was
easily achieved. So to do something today that's going to go what we now
call a viral because it went viral pre internet. You know when you think
about that, you know, it's frightening. You know, it went all
over the world, Well even went all over the world before you even knew
it, didn't it. Yeah, Because that's that was one of my biggest
downfalls because Santilli was able to sell it around the globe without me knowing.
I said, that's he's Ray Santilly was talking about. He was the film
distributor, and he was putting it out as the real thing. He was
He was supposed to give it free to two broadcasters and asked them what they
thought it was. And then that way, you're not breaking the law.
You're not you're not doing anything fraudulent. You're simply saying, he is a
bit of an interesting film. What do you think it is? And the
idea is that it would be good enough for them to say, well,
it's not a human, it's not special effect. If it's from nineteen forty
seven, well it can't be a special effect. Well what is it?
And then hopefully somebody will say, well, maybe it's an alien. Right,
So that was the idea. But he actually saw that people started to
believe it was real, and he saw value in it. He saw a
monetary gain you. So he started selling it. But he sold it abroad
where I wouldn't see it, where I wouldn't hear about it. But he
gave it free to Channel four, where I would hear about it. So
when I heard about the Channel four got this film, I checked it out
and yeah, we've got it. We were given it asked to investigate it.
So it rang true, Well, you know if it was today.
Santilli would never have got away with what he did because I would have seen
it on an Internet straight away. I would have seen it on a Google
set, you know. But anyway, that's history now, so full full
circle, nearly thirty years ago, and it's still in the news and it's
still out there. It's it's frightening. It's frightening that there's still people out
there with all the evidence that there is now. And it's not a small
amount of evidence. It's quite a lot. I believe you've even you've even
published a messive book about it now with all the details in it. Yeah,
and and there's there's stuff that's still coming out that because you've gotta understand,
right, I'm not perfect. I made a lot of mistakes in this
film, right. I made a lot of mistakes, and people haven't seen
them right, And I'm discovering things I did and thinking, oh my god,
look at that. That's glaringly wrong. Right, But I didn't notice
then, and I didn't otherwise I wouldn't have done it right because we were
in a hurry. We were in a rush to create it. But I
made an awful lot of mistakes that I've pointed out now, and people still
don't buy it. They still think it's real. And the latest, the
latest argument I've put forward, it's quite a powerful one. It's not in
I don't know if I did I put it in my but I'm just trying
to remember. I think I alluded to it. But here's the thing,
right, if this film was real, Okay, let's for a second just
park that it might be real, we have a number of things in the
film which which we know for a fact right exists. For example, there
is a tall girl with big boobs playing the part of the nurse. Okay,
and we know she's tall because next to John, the scut the surgeon.
Let's not call him John, but let's say that the surgeon. Okay,
the surgeon who was played by John is five ft eight. Okay,
so next to Georgina or the nurse, she's taller than him. Okay,
so we know she's five ft ten. We can see, we can see
that. So that's two things we know for a fact. There's a female
with big boobs at least five foot ten. And we've got a guy who's
not fat, he's not skinny, he's an average build, and he's five
ft eight. Okay, we can see that in the film. Then we
can see a guy behind the window who's quite slim and about the same height
as John, maybe a little bit taller, and that's Gareth Watson. But
forget that for a minute, because if it's a real film, it won't
be Gareth, right, it'll be it will be whoever. But it was
Gareth. But here's the thing, right, there's another guy walks in who's
six foot something because he goes past Georgina, and that's Craig Simmons. Okay,
who's who was my ex business partner. Now, Greg walks in who's
six foot one. I think he is taller than Georgina. So now we've
got three, sorry, four people who are exacting sizes, and you can
compare them to each other. Okay, so three men and you've got a
woman. So then you've got to say, okay, well, let's suppose
I was put into this equation like like our friend Wolford says, I was
inserted into the picture after the event, so that was a genuine film,
and then I was inserted later. Well, my relationship with John was longer
than this project. Okay, I'm John's John's kids godfather. Okay. We
were friends since the late eighties, Okay, So it wasn't like we were
introduced to each other for this project. Okay, it was we were friends
already, working together, living together, going on holidays together. Right,
So we were close already. And Greg Simmons was already my partner for several
years. And Garreras was working with Gary Schufield and race An Tilly on the
other side, on the distribution side of this project. Okay, So he
was already in the mix as well for several years. And Georgina and I
were dating maybe seven or eight months before this. This thing happened before the
alien autopsy. So when you put all these people together, okay, and
their expertise is okay, because that's very important. If we didn't have the
Let's suppose I wasn't in the film industry. Let's say John wasn't in the
special effects industry. Let's say Georgina wasn't the academic she is right, and
she didn't have all the qualities that she needed to do this particular thing.
If you put all those people together as a team that could do this job
because they have the qualifications, right, what are the chances of creating a
team that have all of these qualities, that already knew each other, that
fit the sizes of the people in the film from nineteen forty seven. Right,
it's an enormous task to get not only to get a team that knows
each other and they're in the right place at the right time, but to
also fit the people that were in the film. Yeah, it's not like,
you know, it's not like, oh well John's a little bit tall,
a bit shorter, a little bit was you know, near enough.
They are exactly those people. So so the what they were in law,
they call it the law of probability, Right, The probability of this being
anything but those people in a modern modern film is highly lightly mhm, you
know. And all those are those chalents put together as well in order to
make this film. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't make it. You could
just couldn't make it up and then put them all in the same place.
That's the thing, right, If Georgina lived in Brighton, for example,
and I was somewhere else, and John was somewhere else, and you know,
like we are today today, we all live in different places, right,
but at that moment in time, we were all in the right place
at the right time, so we were all local to each other. So
and the house we filmed in is actually Georgina's house. So when you when
you look at the fact that Santilly shoe Field, John me Gary Shuefield,
Gareth Watson, all of these people have publicly a head that this was done
at a house in Camden, all of them. Okay, no one has
said it was anywhere else. So when you then when you then take that
as as eyewitness report, right, it's it's it's it's not one person,
you then realize, Okay, Georgina lives in that house, so she clearly
was there and involved. So you've got to tie it all up together.
And when you tie it all together, you know, do you remember in
a debris footage there was some handwritten labels, yes, ye, on the
items. Well, they were written by Georgina's mum who lived there. And
that is called cursive writing, and it was it was taught in school.
Everyone had the same handwriting that did you know that? Yeah, I know,
there was a similar type. Yeah, I remember the Italian every one
had a similar handwriting. They didn't have individual handwriting. It was all they're
all taught to write the same way. Yeah, it was neither and neat
and it was it was. It was a form of calligraphy, but it
was taught in schools and it isn't anymore. Yeah. I think I was
put through something that at myself, like they were trying to get us all
to write in italics. You know, it's very very similar type of thing.
Yeah, so you know the fact that it is written in that way.
She was there, she she had that handwriting. I was actually in
Georgina's house when when when Joyce died, a mom was called Joyce. When
Joyce died, it was the first time I heard from Georgina in twenty years,
and she contacted me to let me know that mummy had died. And
I said, and she's obviously on her own. So John and I went
over to her house and my sister and I and John handled the funeral and
the wake and all the things that she couldn't do and helped her out with
everything. And during that time I was in her house and I saw a
letter written by Joyce on the sideboard, and the little devil on my shoulder
said, take it or take a photograph of it. And I didn't because,
believe it or not, I know I hoped that an alien, but
that's the artist doing that. It wasn't. It wasn't a scoundrel, and
I'm quite an honorable person. I couldn't live with myself if I did that.
But I had an opportunity to do it, and that would have been
a massive, a massive nail in the coffin. Yeah, so you know,
I couldn't live on myself knowing i'd done that. It wasn't the right
thing to ask her, you know, is it okay if I take a
picture of this note? She She was grieving. So I just didn't do
it. And because it wasn't that important. Now today it would be great
to be able to say to people, here we go, there's a letter
that she a note she wrote. That's the handwriting on the labels. Bad
it happens. I have since released an unedited version of the debris footage and
the original labels and stuff is all in my book that shows that that it's
unaged and and obviously not a real film. Yeah, but believe it or
not, it's still not enough people. There's still people say it's yeah,
it's still not enough. The labels are from Rank Film Laboratories. They dated
there. I mean, it's it's unreal that I can deliver that. No
one else has got it. It's never been released before. Yeah, I
mean there's still the thing that you're you're a government men in black, and
I guess you've got people helping you're doing all this cover up. Yeah,
because you can't recreate detail that's gone. If it's gone, if it's a
white peak section and there's nothing in it, you can't bring it back.
And anyone that knows that knows that, and if you are an expert,
they'll tell you. You know, there's only limits to how much you can
bring back. What you've got in the film that I released is detail.
I mean serious detail. You know, creases in clothes and wood grain and
the table and stuff is just not there. So but still believe it or
not not enough? No, No, you pointed out several things that wouldn't
happen about the break, the effits that are you're wearing. You can see,
yeah, going up and down in the head, in the top of
the head, which wouldn't happen in a in a breathing in the apparatus equipment.
Yeah, Yeah, and I also pointed out that those suits don't exist
anywhere else on the planet in you, yeah, only in my film.
And what the chances of there being so many things in my film that only
appear in my like the autopsy table, like the suits. One of the
big mistakes I made, of course, I didn't realize. We went to
an auction. John and I went to an auction in London, I think
it was Wembley or something like that, and it was an HS auction.
They were selling off old medical stuff, medical gear, and it was it
was like an NHS kind of there was where they sell off stuff when they
when they're obsolete stuff, and H and I bought a lot of stuff that
wasn't necessarily datable or like test tubes, for example, they're just they've always
been the same, you know, within reason, and no one's ever said,
oh, those test tubes are wrong, but the actually UK test tubes
I bought from that auction with the racks and all that sort of stuff.
But I also bought the buns and burner that I thought a bunch of burner
is a bunch of burner been around forever, But didn't, for the life
of me realize that I used that. The to burner that I bought in
this auction was a school issue nineteen sixties school issue UK buns and burner and
had a triangular base, remember this year. Yeah, And and well I
put it in the set and not not one person in all the time said,
hold on a minute, that buns and burners are wrong, right,
It's just it's just slipped through because you know, how many experts do you
know about buns and burners? You know. Yeah, It wasn't until somebody
said to me. A friend of mine said to me, oh, they're
like the ones we had at school. And I thought, what do you
mean at school? You see, we had those at school, the triangle
ones that you had, the round ones. Now that friend that talked to
me, Barry was he's actually a scientist. Now he works in a laboratory.
He does, you know, the do DNA testing and all this different
stuff. So so he knows about this stuff. And he said, well,
mostly buns and burners are usually have a round base, and some of
them had hexagonal bases, but the triangular ones are really rare. They're not
no one, no one sees them in you know. So I started to
look into it, and I couldn't find ones that eye for me, and
then I realized that they weren't available in America and there were sixties So that
in itself is what is the sixties English Buns and burner doing in a nineteen
forty seven How I mean, I can't actually remember that. Seeing that in
the film was sell personally. How clear is it in the film that you
can see a triangle? Yeah, yeah, it's in my book. Have
a look in the book. It's of course, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's very clear, very clear. It's I mean the triangle as a
triangle, you can see a triangle as opposed to a circle. And I
still got that buns and burner and as a picture of me holding it.
And now you can go looking for one and you'll see you can't find one
anywhere. They're very rare, right, So the idea of me finding one,
you know, when I got it was was I'm real, you know,
but you know, it's just one of those fluke situations that I got
away with. And there was a lot of that going on because because I'm
I'm an amateur psychologist, I read people. I'm as a magician, I
read people very closely. I can't help it. And you know, I
can walk into a room and I can say to you that person's a bit
dodgy, right, and then maybe maybe you're a little bit psychic as well.
Then yeah, maybe maybe, But I can I can do that.
I do that a lot. And the studio that I'm working at the moment
in Greenford, I made this comment the other day. I walked in and
there isn't a bad person in there. Everyone has got a fantastic vibe.
Every single person there is lovely right, And it's very rare because you walk
into a group, there's usually goes that conflict's you know, and it's and
that's all it is. It's not that that somebody's worth or you know,
a bad person, but there are egos that get involved and competitive dynamics that
make a bad atmosphere. And there's always you know, there's usually one person
two people that are looking after themselves, you know. But that's a fantastic
group of people. And I've got that. I've got that. Is it
a gift? I don't know, maybe training, it's maybe training, but
you know, I kind of know very quickly, you know, if somebody
is bad or if they or if they're not a bad person but have issues,
you know, because everyone's got something going on, me included. You
know, there's always an agenda, doesn't matter. If it's personal, doesn't
matter, if it's emotional, doesn't matter, if it's financial, an agenda
as an agenda. And and we all have those, you know, every
single one of us married couples have them. You know, there's a hierarchy
that always is. You know, people are always testing, you know,
authority, and and that's normal, that's a natural thing. But when it
comes to when it comes to talking to people who are saying they saw something
unusual that can't be proven, and you have to take their word for it,
which is what we There's what we do in the UFO community, isn't
it right? Right? We have to listen to people because who knows if
they were abducted or not? Do you know, you don't really know,
right and if you do, but you do read a person though, like
you say, yeah, yeah, some people give me oh yeah, okay
mate, But other people are so believable that you think, well they're they're
so upright, and yeah, like I can sell us for instance, you
know, yes, you can't not love them right, the lovely, lovely
people. And they don't have an agenda. They're not sitting there trying to
get rich. They're not sitting there trying to they're genuinely scholars and they're genuinely
looking at every detail. They're not they're not, they're not. They haven't
got a sieve that that keeps back the juicy bits. You know. They're
investigators, they're they're true investigators. But but you get people though, who
who are just just want to be special, They just want to be part
of something. And sadly, the UFO subject and the alien subject doesn't need
any qualifications, so you can call yourself a upologist and suddenly you're you're in
the community, and who to tell that you're lying or not? Okay?
And what I was, the point I started to make was I've realized this
in my film. People want to believe more than they want to disprove.
And and if they can, if they can believe something that proves what they
want to believe, then it's a religion. It's more, it becomes a
religion more than a scientific a scientific thing. And I mean Philip Mantle's got
a very good balance on that because Philip's quite cynical, but he's also an
open mind, right, so he won't He's not easily fooled. But he
does listen and he looks at stuff and he says, okay, well,
all right, I'm going to keep an open mind telling me the story.
And eventually he sits back and says, okay, well, I can't think
of anything wrong with that. Doesn't nothing jars that makes it? Me disprove
it, And suddenly he's now believing something that's unbelievable. Right, But having
done the work. That's a difference, having done the work, and it's
it's so people people have looked at my and they've said, yeah, there
you go, that's the evidence we needed. There you are, that's proof.
That's proof, And then suddenly it's not proof. But they can't afford
it not to be proof, so they someone. When someone's believed for twenty
or twenty five years, I suppose it's difficult to turn say okay, I
will take it in all that time, you know, yeah, which many
of us have ats to do that over the years. I mean, if
you did believe it, then we just had to accept oh okay, Well,
Spirits made a really good job a fooling us all, you know,
but don't don't hate me for it. I'm asking people. Yeah, but
what I'm asking people is that don't hate me for it because I didn't set
out to say ha ha, you're all idiots. I didn't want to do
that. That was that. That's exactly right, isn't it. I mean
I think you kind of even forgot about the whole thing, didn't you have
more or less? Yeah? I made I made a piece of sci fi.
I'm an artist and I'm a magician by default, right, by default.
My my of entertainment is to fool you, okay, And most people
I fool are delighted. So it's very hard for me to come out of
that mode fool you and then not have you upset, because when you're upset,
all of a sudden, I'm thinking, well, hold on, there
was just a bit of entertainment, you know. I always intended to come
back and say, no, no, listen, don't believe everything you're told,
question everything, And this is this is an example of how easily you
can be taken in. Okay, So I'm in a way it's a public
service, but hasn't been received that way. So and I'm going to say
something ridiculous. Now, this is going to sound ridiculous, but you'll know
where I'm coming from. It's a saving grace that I didn't make money from
it, Okay, And that sounds crazy, right, because everybody wants to
make money. I would have loved to make the money. But it's a
saving grace for me that I didn't make money from it because people nobody can
say you lied to us and told us it was real, and you made
them fortune out of it. Because then, you know, when I say
to people, you know, when I say what do you think about this?
I always say, follow the money. Follow the money, you'll find
the truth. Right, it's somewhere, somewhere, somebody's made money from this,
and that's the person you need to be looking at, or the outfit
you need to be looking at. And it's true about anything, right,
follow the money. So it's a saving grace. I didn't make money from
it, but not that it was fair, because if anybody should have made
money out of it, should have been me and John absolutely so, sir,
you know in the queue Georgina next, you know, not Santilli.
Santilli did nothing, you know, because even when when the money was put
up to make it, it wasn't Santilli's money, it was it was folk
of the money. And when that he ran out and we had to do
film it again, it was my money. The film. Volker Spielberg isn't
he was the executive producer now with the name Spielberg. He's not actually linked
to the Okay, that's the one that yeah is. I don't know.
Rumor has it that Volca's dead. I'm not sure if he's dead, but
I haven't spoken to him in many years. And it basically he's a film
distributor, so he owns, or used to own a large library of copyrights
and he would put them on DVD and sell them around the world and regurgitate
them whenever a new a new format came out. So so no, you
know, he's not an angel, but Volca. Volca did exactly what anyone
would do. He saw a bit of fun, an opportunity to be involved
in something unusual, and he saw the mileage in the film in the future
right, but wasn't allowed to do what he was going to do because Santilly
just took it. He just did what he wanted and I don't even know
if Santilly gave Rolka his money back, I don't know. I mean so
going into the money aspects of it now, it's all about race Sintilly.
Now, the title of this show was called a Billion Dollar Photo, and
it's kind of the piece of film, isn't it. Yes, he was
trying to sell Yes, did he ever sell it? No? He didn't
because I stopped the sale, right you did? Yeah, yeah, I've
stopped the sale. What basically what happened is he If you've heard about NFTs
or understand them, I don't know too much about how an NFT works.
I honestly understand. I don't understand why anybody would want to buy a digital
version of anything for silly money, but it has been going on, so
I think what it is, and I can be corrected, but I really
have tried hard to understand it. But I think what it is is the
same blockchain technology that run bitcoin and other digital currency, where you can track
it back to who owns it and when they own it and all that sort
of stuff, so it's always got a value and then it can't be interfered
with. They're using that same technology chain technology for a digital image, which
then has a stamp that links it to you. For example, So you
buy something for a million quid and it's a digital image, and that digital
image belongs to you, and that's your investment. That's what you've bought.
So you've bought that original piece of art. But the bit I don't understand
is I can create a piece of digital digital art, put it on the
Internet and you can just go and copy it and use it if you wanted
to, illegally in some cases. But people do it, you know,
And and so why would you pay a million quid for it? Say,
a lot of art? Well, it's your sort of open seas on it.
It really was it on the internet. And you've never you've never even
I mean a lot of art. What do you ever know where it came
from in the first place? Do you? Yeah? It's hard to follow
who's who's been nicking your work? It's hard to follow it. Right.
So I've got I've got lots of artwork on on various T shirts and stuff
that I'm putting out now that that I designed. And then I've suddenly seen
people I've got one, hey, and it looks great on you. By
the way, yeah, so yeah, so it was it was a case
of other people claiming and say, oh no, no, you know no,
that's that's you know, with any copyright, you've got to look at
dates, okay, because if you if somebody predates you, you have no
argument. If they had an example of that artwork before you released it,
and you can't prove you had it before them, they win because they predate
you. So a simple way of copyrighting or protecting an idea is to put
it into an envelope, sign to steal it down, sign your name over
the seals, and then cellotate over the signatures and over the seals. So
if you if you remove the cellotape, it will take off the signature,
okay, so you know it hasn't been tampered with and whatever you put inside.
But once you post that letter to yourself, it will come back with
the date stamp on the stamp when it was posted, okay, And then
that sets it in stone when that idea was put into that envelope. So
if somebody then claims your idea, you can go to court, take the
letter that's sealed and give it to the judge who then can open it and
see that hasn't been tampered with. They open it up and then whatever's inside
was put in there. The date of the stamp that you post it to
yourself and it will give and it's a great way of securing a copyright date
to you. Okay. It could be a manuscript, that could be anything,
a book, right, it's an easy way to establish what date you
owned it. So if I then, if I did that and you said
that's my design, and I said, well when did you design it,
and you say, you know, three months after I posted it to myself
in court, I would win that because I predate you, right, and
the same goes as everything else. So it's it's proving the date. Now,
getting back to the Alien Autopsy, no one predates me. Lots of
copycats who came in after I'd released my film. So you know that this
scene in the Alien Autopsy when the surgeon removes a black eye lens revealing the
eye underneath, that is absolutely my design, my idea, and it hasn't
appeared anywhere else before that date. Okay. So there have been copycats people
that have done various Alien Autopsy takeoffs, and they've done the eye removal things
they've tried to replicate it, but they've done it after me, so they
can never argue that it's theirs because I predate them and I And that's one
of my go to things when somebody says to me, well, you know,
how can you tell us it's real? And you know, how can
you? Because nobody's ever described the alien in my film before nineteen ninety five
when I made it. Before that aliens had thin necks, four fingers,
they were there were a specific description, right, that doesn't fit my alien.
My alien's got six fingers. It's got a thick, stocky body with
a thick neck, right, So it goes against what other people said before.
It is distinct be quite different from a lot of descriptions. Yeah.
Yeah, it goes against everybody else's eye witness reports. So so if it
hasn't occurred before I made it, then the chances that I made it and
no one else is pretty high. So so that's what that's what we're dealing
with with regards to NFTs. They they established a block chain that proves the
ownership from a given time. Okay, so what's Antilly tried to do was
take a single frame from my nineteen ninety five film and sell it as if
it's a genuine nineteen forty seven frame. But he's he was selling it as
an NFT, which is a digital version of it, okay, for a
million dollars. And then and he was saying he will give the original frame
to the buyer. But it's super clever apart from the fact that it's a
bit stupid, right, And I'll tell you why it's clever and why it's
seriously stupid. The first thing, it's clever because in order to date a
piece of film, you need three frames minimum free frames to date it because
you've got to do different tests. So one test that you need to do
is a visual test, which is the edge markings on the frame. So
those edge markings don't happen on every single frame, they will they happen sporadically
across a number of feet, Okay, So if you take a frame that
doesn't have edge markings on it, that wouldn't be unusual. And that's exactly
What'santilli did. So now you can't date it visually, okay, you can
date it by smell it, because if you smell it, you can tell
a certain certain type of film will have a vinegar smell you would have you'll
be able to establish what kind of film it is and the window of opportunity
of making that film. Okay, So that's that's not conclusive though to a
specific date, but a period. The next thing you can do is you
can cut a hole out, stamp a hole out of the frame, and
then look at the cross section of the of the piece of film you've cut
and the makeup of the film. You can see the layers, okay,
and the layers will tell you again it will lower the possibility of what kind
of film it is, because all films were made in different times, different
ways, in different times, so that will tell you that it will narrow
down the window of manufacture okay. And then another visual test that you can
do is by looking at the fog in the film and if it's got a
milky, kind of white milky look to it, it shows age, okay,
but it shows age of a film that was exposed after it expired.
So if it was an old film which was filmed in modern times, it
would have a very distinctive fogging look over it. So there's lots and lots
and lots of things you can do, but you need a minimum of three
frames, and ideally one with edge mark on it. By giving somebody a
single frame for a million dollars, I promise you, David, no one
is going to put a hole in it, right. No one is going
to do anything with it. They're not going to put chemicals on it to
see how it dissolves or how it bubbles, how it affects. They're not
going to do anything to it. But put it in a nice frame,
okay, and exhibit it. So that's clever just putting one single frame up
for a million dollars. That you know that the likelihood of somebody testing it,
it's not going to happen. They're they're not going to get a conclusive
anything from it. So they'll get a few pointers, but there won't be
we're going to say it's definitely this or definitely that. Where it's stupid is
that Santilli knows nothing about anything, right, He just doesn't know. He
took my film, cut a frame out, and he then put that up
for sale. But my film was a nineteen ninety five Fuji negative film.
Okay, And I'll explain what that means. You film, you shoot the
movie and it shoots a negative like you used to do with your photographs,
used to send it off and you get a negative back, don't you,
And then they print a positive on paper. Well, in film, what
they would do is similar to that they would print. They would they would
develop the negative, and then they would run the negative through and make a
positive print of it. So now the film that comes off that's positive,
that would be shown on a projector is actually a copy from the original.
Right, So the copy could be done ten years later. You can't date
from the copy, but you can date from the original. The type of
film that was used in nineteen forty seven by the military, and the kind
of camera that was used took a film which was developed into a positive.
It didn't need to be transferred from a negative to a positive. So the
positive was the camera, original camera, original material. So, mister Santilly,
how the hell have you got a nineteen forty seven clip in negative?
That's why he's stupid? Yeah, right, And why is he in jail?
That's what I'd like to know. Well, you know what, you
know what he's done an awful lot of bad things to me, But I've
been through an awful lot with him, his family. I know his family,
I know his son, I know his ex wife. I think it's
a next wife. I'm not sure if they're divorced. I'm not really in
touch with him anymore, but you know I used to. I've taken when
his little boy, when he's his boy's a big man now, but when
he was a little boy, I took him and Maggie, his wife,
to the zoo, to to play with tigers. To right. We did
a whole load of stuff together, and we were close, you know.
So I don't want to see him go to jail. I don't want to
see him suffer. I don't want to see him hurting. But he did.
He's not he didn't do nice things to me right, And I can't
ever be his friend again, and I can't trust him again. But the
authorities eventually might take action because, contrary to popular belief, the statute of
limitations doesn't doesn't stop. You know. Statute limitations is when if somebody does
something bad in business that isn't necessarily for except for example, if you stole
my copyright and I didn't act on it. For the limit that the statute
of limitations allows, I can't sue you after that time because it's run out
of time. Okay, So he maintains that the statute of limitations is run
out and therefore I could never sue him if I wanted to. That's not
true, because if a fraud has been committed, the statute of limitations doesn't
apply. It's open season forever because there's a fraud involved, and there is
a fraud involved. Santilly registered my film as a nineteen forty seven film with
the Library of Congress, and that's fraud, right because my identical film is
also registered at the Library Congress in my name as nineteen ninety five. And
as far as the Library of Congress is concerned, it's two different films because
they don't care. They're not going to look at the films, and they
they're not they're not proactive. They're reactive, so they'll they'll register everything and
then if something happens that's not legit, then a court will tell them and
then they will react to that. So they won't they're not proactive. They're
not interested in spending money to discover something no one cares about. So so
Scantilli's film is in the Library of Congress, registered as nineteen forty seven as
an anonymous cameraman, and the first place it was broadcast apparently was Italy,
which is not obviously not this film, not my film, so he must
be talking about a different film. But the one that is lodged is exactly
the same as my film. Every single frame is identical. Right, So
so he's playing games. The best I'm not allowed to wear on this I
can okay, okay, well the best fuck you. I'll believe that's right.
That somebody ever, yeah, there's somebody ever said to Santilly. Was
the BBC right, because they wanted to make a little movie about me and
interview me, and Santilli sent a sease and desister to BBC they're not allowed
to use the alien autopsy or he will sue them. Right, So their
lawyers got in touch with me and said what do we do? And I
said, well, I'll indemnify you. We'll just carry on. I'll indemnify
you and let him sue me. Let him sue you, and you you
can sue me. Right. But because because it's not real if I'd love
to see him in court, right, because in court he'd have to come
up with some evidence. Yeah, right, and I think it's not going
to happen. And they said, well, we won't than an indemnity for
you from you because he's calling it a nineteen forty seventh film and we know
yours is a nineteen ninety five film, so it's not a problem. So
they wrote back to Santilly and they said, demos Antilli, please rest assured,
we have no intentions of using any of your nineteen forty seventh film.
M well yeah, and we still we still use my film, right,
And Santilly did nothing about it because he couldn't know. But that was the
ultimate call your bluff, right, what you're going to do. So they
knew that he hasn't got a nineteen forty seventh film because if he had had
a nineteen forty seventh film, let's be honest, okay, And I talked
about this in my book. There is there is in my film. There
was twenty four frames a second. Okay. That was the old fashioned frame
rate. Today we have thirty frames. We can even do sixty frames a
second, right, But then days back in back in the sixteen millimeter film
era and using you know, Bell and Howell Filmo cameras twenty four frames as
good as it got. So, but that's twenty four individual frames per second.
Okay, So even if he had one seconds worth of film, twenty
four frames, if one is going for a million quid, how much is
twenty four worth. Well, let's put it in perspective. Okay, if
you cut three of those off and give them to a lab and have the
lab test it, they will come back and tell everybody. Yet it's genuinely
a nineteen forty seven film, no questions. And now that piece of film
is priceless. It's not worth a million, it's worth billions. It's priceless.
It's evidence of aliens. But he didn't do it. He hasn't done
it in thirty years. He's not had a single frame tested in thirty years.
Okay, where if he had done, the value goes up astronomically.
So that's the big question. Why hasn't he had one, you know,
just three frames? Now he's told people that the film was confiscated by the
military, by the US military or the CIA or the FBI or the Men
in Black or Father Christmas or whoever you want. Right, no one confiscated
any film. Right. He keeps showing people film and he's done it.
Very recently. He showed film Mantle apparently showed him, look, I've got
real film, and Philip said, let's get it tested, and yeah,
yeah, we'll get it tested. Hasn't happened. Do you remember the name
of the paramnormal lawyer, the American Chappie Oh god, okay, yeah,
no, I don't tip of my son, the tip of my tongue.
He does. He does podcast in America and he calls himself the paramounormal,
the paranormal lawyer. He's a lawyer by trade. He did a podcast with
who was it? It was a couple of other other guys. You remember,
you remember a while ago the apparently a doctor from the CIA said that
the AA, the alien autopsy was real and yes, oh yeah, yeah
yeah. So Richard Dolan was on this this podcast with this lawyer and so
was Santilly and they were talking about this movie and about this film, about
how how it's real and it's genuine and it's here's the evidence now and it's
all right. So I called the guy up and I said to him,
look, if it's genuine, right, why won't Santilly allow us to have
it dated? Right? That would be the ultimate thing, wouldn't it,
Because we've got CIA, a guy from the CIA, doctor from the CIA,
saying that he saw it, but no one's actually heard him say that.
Big Green, Yeah, doctor Kit Green, Yeah yeah, the Kit
Green was the guy from the CIA. Right. Well, Kit Green has
since said he was duped. It's not real. He hasn't seen it.
It was basically was told it was real and it was duped, right,
so he fell for it like everyone else, but he's he didn't say,
oh, yes, it's definitely real when I saw it in the CIA and
all this stuff. He didn't say all that. So when he came out
and said what he said, it's he was duped. He was shown it,
told it was real, and he believed it. So it's not evidence
that it's real, although it was positioned as such. It was a smoking
gun, wasn't it. It was all of a sudden, It's like Richard
Dogan all over it, and you know, and it was charging money for
people to go on this show to talk at me. It was just made
a lot of money from it. Of course, follow the money, follow
the money. So but this this guy, this par paranormal investigator, and
I've cart for a life and remember his name. Now I'm actually giving through
your book here, I'm trying to look forward. Is it must be in
the book's somewhere. I'm not sure. If it's in the book, he'll
be on Facebook. Shall we do a quick little search, see if we
can find him on Facebook. I'm just going to put paranormal paranormal investigator if
he's still going by that name. Oh no, not investigator. He was
a paranormal lawyer, not investigator. Lawyer lord. Yeah, okay, nothing's
coming up. No, he's not coming up. Oh here, here is
here he is? Okay? Got him? Uh? Inside out of Limits
radio show? Now he was on Inside out of Limits radio show? Michael
W. Hall. Yes, okay, Now, Michael W. Hall did
a show with all the usual suspects, includings antilli and I had him.
I had. I went on his show, talked, talked to him about
it and everything, and I actually asked him a very straightforward question and I
said, now, this is three years ago, okay, maybe four years
ago. And I said to him, mister Hall, Santillius promised to give
you film so you can test it. Yes he has, Okay, how
long will you allow before you call bullshit? Is it? What do you
mean? I said, well, he's been offering film since before nineteen ninety
five, before it was even a film. He was telling people he had
film. He told Philip Mantle he had the alien autopsy before I ever made
it right, and it was it was a bit of a film, bit
of video that they had. Will be nothing to do with my film.
And I said to him, and they've been promising film all these years and
he's not delivered any So at what point will you, as a lawyer say
enough? Now? At what point will you cut it off and say this
is nonsense? He says, well, let's give him a chance. Let's
give him a chance to I said, okay, no, no, I'm
happy with that. So shall we say six months? Is six months enough
time for him to give you some real film for you to test it and
tell us it's real? He said, well it should be. I said,
well, let's not say six months. Let's say a year. Should
we give him a whole year? Is that fair? Let's put it on
let's put it on record right that we're going to give him this amount of
time and after that you're going to agree with me that he's full of the
horrible stuff, you know what, Yeah, yeah, the horrible stuff.
So so he said, he said, yeah, okay, that's fair enough.
But I don't want to put a time limit on it. He said,
you know, he'll he'll come up with in his own good time.
I said, but do you see how unreasonable that is. If you don't
put a limit on it, he has no deadline. He can just not
do it, and you will always still give him the credit benefit of the
doubt that he's got real film, because you're doing that now. You're saying
that he's got the benefit of the doubt that maybe he's got genuine nineteen forty
seven alien autopsy film, aren't you. That's what you've said on your show.
So until you see evidence to the contrary, you can't say he hasn't
got it. That's what you're saying. But surely there must be a cutoff
time that makes this logically reasonable for you to say, if he had genuine
footage, I would have seen it by now. Is that fair? And
he said, well, y'all, hear what you're saying. He was skirting
around the issue, right, But because because let's face it, right,
let's face it, my store read doesn't sell as well as I've got genuine
film. Right, I've got genuine film is a much better story than it
isn't genuine? Yeah, I know it's fake, yes, yes, okay.
So if in his interests to keep the people clicking on his stuff,
he wants it to be real, and he wants to be able to leave
it as open as possible for as long as possible so that he can carry
on getting the clicks right. And I'm not saying that he's a dishonest or
unscrupulous person. I'm just saying that needs must right. If you want to
build a channel and you want lots of viewers that come to your channel,
do you want that exclusive? You want to get that big thing that everyone's
going to go looking for. Right? So anyway, so I said to
say him, look, I'm going to leave it with you like this.
If he hasn't come back to you within a year with genuine film, I'm
calling him out. And I'm saying he hasn't got any otherwise he would have
delivered it. Is that fair? Well? Yeah, well let's give him
a chance. Let's give it. You're not committing. You need to say
to me, Yeah, that's fair. Now what you know, I want
to I don't want to do. That's what he was doing the whole time.
So here we are, three or four years later, still no film.
No one's called him out on it, the people that made those programs
back then saying, oh, yes, it's real, definitely real. There's
a CIA agent that's abba. But all that stuff has gone away. But
on record, when you go searching on the internet, what you do is
you see these guys saying, well, yeah, we've got santillion, he's
got that, we've got real film, and it's all genuine. It's definitely
a good four years ago. And it's because yes it is, Yeah it
is. Yeah. So so if you're listening to this, mister Hall,
hello, by the way, I haven't spoken to you for a long time,
but if you are listening to this, I'll tell you what, Yeah,
what happened? Have you? Have you done that testing? Have you?
Are you going to call are you going to call Sentilli out? Or
are you going to just leave it? Because have you moved on to other
things? Because I haven't. I'm still being told it's real, right,
And I think you've got a duty. You've got a duty to do the
right thing and say, well, we've waited four years and he hasn't delivered
any film. I think that's fair. Yeah, what do you do You're
gonna wait for ten years? Yeah, that's right. What we've we've waited
thirty years. It's not you know, we've done that. We've already waited.
Yeah, and he hasn't got any you know, if he has it,
if he had it, he would have. But he's telling people he
has got it. He's selling he's trying to sell it for a million dollars.
So how either you've got it or you haven't. Right, if you've
got it, get it tested. If you haven't got it, then you
haven't got it. But stick your story. That's probably, you know,
that's that's that's sensible. Have you heard of a a fact checker outfit called
Snokes, Yes, okay, one of the bigger ones, aren't they?
Yeah, they did. They did a review recently on the alien autopsy,
and I was sent I was sent a clip of what they've written about it.
So somebody said, is it real? Is it fake? Is it
true? What is it right? So their job is to say, we've
done our checks and this is fake or this is news or this is fake
news. Right, this is what their job is. I wrote to her
today, the lady who wrote the sing I wrote to her to the article,
and I said to her, you owe your audience and more important than
me to do to do your job. All you've done is gone on the
internet and you've copied sent Tiller's story and you've gone back and said, no,
the story is not true, it's a fake film. However, stand
he maintains that he's got a real film that it was made from, right,
and he hasn't. Right. You haven't mentioned my name anywhere in the
article as the person who's made it, but you have included a clip of
my film from YouTube with my copyright and my name written all over it.
So why have you omitted my name from your article? Right? And I
explained that there are people that believe it's real, and they believe that I'm
nothing to do with it, and your story is basically confirming I'm not involved,
because you've not involved me, And I said, I don't want to
cause you any problems. Obviously an oversight. You've used my footage with my
name and my copyright on your article, so clearly you know I'm there,
So I need you to please explain why you haven't mentioned me. You've mentioned
John Humphris, you've mentioned Sentilly, Please please, so why you haven't mentioned
me? And because it looks like it's something commissioned by Santilli, right,
And if it is something that's commissioned by Santilli, well then I want to
expose that because Snopes it's a reliable it's supposed to be a reliable source of
truth, and I kind of think it isn't. I'm looking at this now
and I'm thinking, well, when you when you mentioned Snopes, I have
heard some different opinions about that sometimes, so I'm not sure they're always as
accurate as portrayed. That's all I'm going to sell on that. Well,
yeah, there's always there's always an element of people can make mistakes, right,
that's human, that's a human prerogative. We make mistakes by default,
but we should correct our mistakes when we know we've made a mistake, right
and yet affect somebody else, they should correct their mistakes. For example,
I'm in negotiations at the moment with one of the age of broadcasters of the
world, and I'm I'm making a couple of projects with them that will be
announced soon. But they are reading on the internet and I'm they're coming back
to me on a daily basis, Oh, you know you said that you
did this, Well, this guy reckons it's real. And then you're not
even involved, right, You're not even involved, So we don't want to
be getting involved with you if you're not real, right. And I said,
well, I've given you everything i've got and you can see I'm real.
Yeah, But they're saying that this, and they're saying that, and
I'm saying, okay, well let me show you why that's wrong. Now
I'm having to work twice as hard to prove I'm real, right because I'm
apparently some some stooge that they put up. You know, somebody the other
days said, I my name is not really Spirits Malaris, right on my
own web on my own Facebook group, and I've redacted the numbers and things
on my passport, but I sent my passport page and I said, there
you go, there's my picture, there's my name. What you're what you're
talking about? Right? I am me. You know there's no question that.
I mean, you know, I go back a long way. I
haven't come from nowhere, right, And but they're still doing it, you
know, and right, they're still talking nonsense. And so so here's what
I'm saying. Right, I'm about to do a big project with a big
outfit who has taken a chance on me. Because this is very controversial.
They're going to have all sorts of threats from Santilli because we're telling the truth,
right, and it exposes him. And you're saying, well, what
hasn't hasn't the law done something about it? Well, you know what they
might if they if they once this comes out and they see what's gone on,
who knows what happens after that. Santilli has got every reason to attack
me and make sure that I'm squashed and kept low, and and he's done
that quite well for quite a while. But I'm not going away. You've
heard me say this before, right. I hired from no Man, right,
and I answered questions and I answered him full. So if you want
a question, come to my Facebook group Alien Autopsy fat Files. Ask me
whatever you want and I'll deliver evidence. Not only tell you why, I'll
tell you where or how. Okay, but that's not enough that I'm still
some CIA agent or man in black and they're making all your fake passports and
all that sort of stuff. Yeah yeah, so come on, you know,
so here's the thing, right, I'm worried now that people that are
the producers that are now looking into the story and they're doing research, and
they're writing scripts, and they're doing all sorts of stuff, spending a fortune
making feature feature film and the six part series, who might come back to
me and say, because I've had to go to them, I don't like
people finding things out. As soon as I see something, I'll go straight
to the and say, look, I just found this, I've written this
letter. It's not real, and I you know, I'm very proactive and
go straight out for the jugular. But they imagine if they go and they
find Nopes have done a report and then they've they've completely omitted to mention my
name. Yeah right, that stinks. It stinks to high heaven. And
I would be well within my rights to south nopes, right if I lost
this deal in the back of them telling people this is the truth. Right
as Nopes who position themselves as a truth tellers, right, well, then
they need to they need to understand they've got to do the truth. They've
got to do the right thing. So I'm hoping. I'm hoping I haven't
threatened her. I haven't said listen, I said, I don't want this
to become problematic for either of us, so we can nip it in the
bug. Now. I can see that you've probably made an omission, You've
made a mistake, You've done something's not quite right here. It doesn't take
much to correct it, Okay, So here's the evidence you need from me.
I'm available for you. If you want to talk to me, please
correct list immediately. So let's see if she what she does, how long
it takes her to reply, and if she does anything. But this is
what I'm dealing with, and this is this is today, fifteenth of the
eight twenty three, right, So is it ever going to go away?
Well? Metal is right? Yeah, I mean, well, yeah,
told you. I know you've told me quitely on the in the past,
but yeah, I've actually just mentioned it. But I've always said this would
make a fantastic feature film, and for that to be ruined on the back
of that would be a really great thing. I don't think it will be
ruined because, oh I'm hoping not. Because the people that are involved are
big fans and they they they've ridden with the wave because lots lots of things
happen. And you know when when you've got pete snipers, you've got people
trying to stop stuff, and you know, lots of things happen and and
they're still there. They're still there. They're still rocking and rolling and it's
going to happen. But but you know, it doesn't take much for you,
don't know, if you've got people sitting on the fence that the money,
people that are saying, well, okay, we're not sure about this,
but if you say so, all right, we'll go with it.
And then eventually somebody at the top says this is too much, So I
don't want to risk it. Yeah, because I have to ensure a film,
don't They to make sure that they're putting out are true as far as
they know the story. Yeah, and they've also got to they've also got
to say when something is not real, and they've got to cover themselves and
say, see, in this particular instance, the characters that are portrayed a
genuine people. Yeah, you've heard it before when people have done that,
but they've said the characters don't if everyone's then when anybody is by pure coming
to them. That's why they have to make these things on feature films,
don't they to protect the innocent or something? The usually yeah, yeah,
different names or whatever and then cover themselves. Right, But I'm actually using
the real names. I'm telling it as it is. It's real, right,
I'm not hiding from it. I told you I don't hide from no
man. And I'm I sign away indemnities which say that in the event that
this comes on top and I was lying and I was wrong, I lose
everything. I lose what are they going to give me? And I lose
what I've got, right, So I'm happy to do that because I'm telling
the truth. Yeah, well, I know, I mean, I know,
I know you're I know you're willing to answer anybody any questions. And
I've never seen you sort of back down from a question. No, no,
And I you know what, And I also say, because it is
something I learned a long time ago, right, I also say if I
don't know, I say I don't know, right, I don't try and
bullshit and bluff it. I just don't know. I don't know. I
just say it, right, So because I don't know everything I do,
you know, and it's it's a long time ago. And if somebody said
to me, like this guy Michael Hall, right, at one point I
knew his name. I was talking to him every day, right, I
genuinely forgot his name, genuinely, right. It doesn't mean I don't know
him, doesn't mean to say we haven't spoken, doesn't mean none of that.
It just means I'm older and I'm not remembering. Yeah, I'm just
not the same person. One of the things I discovered that that depressed me
quite a lot recently. And when I said depressed me, not clinically,
I'm being You're not suicide, you know, I'm being I'm being lighthearted when
I'm saying that, I'm just saying, you know, it comes to us
all. But in nineteen ninety five, I created the whole set of the
Aleen Autopsy on my own. And what that means means is I laid down
a wall on the floor, I built the frame, screwed it all together,
put the thyboard in front, and screwed that on, and then I
lifted the whole thing up on my own right, and then I secured it
to the wall whilst holding it with my left arm, securing it with my
right arm. And it was heavy, right, It's not like a little
bit of you know, and it's a big piece of thing to hold.
It's a two man job, but there wasn't two people, so I was
I was doing an awful lot of lifting and stuff on my own. I've
done that in the past. You're surprising where you find the strength, isn't
it. Yeah? Yeah, but today I question whether or not I've got
that stamina to kneel down, get up, kneel down together. I couldn't
do things I could do a few years ago. Yeah. So, so
I've got to recreate the alien autopsy for two for the film and for the
six part series, the six part series. Sorry sorry, sorry, the
six part series a different program. There's there's a two part series where I'm
recreating. They're all connected, but the I'm recreating everything from scratch. So
you actually see me build the set exactly how I did it. I build
the autopsy table, I build all the bits of tables and bits of pieces
everything around. You actually watched me do it. And we've got we've got
stop frame animation filming going on. So the whole thing happens very quickly.
When you're watching it, you're not having to sit through days of video,
but you can actually see that it's me doing it, and doing it really
quickly, with me talking and between showing the detail of how things happened and
how things worked and what I did and how I didn't do it. So
all of that. I've got to do it again, and I've realized that,
do you know what it's going to be. It's going to be a
quite a quite a strain on me to do it. I'm going to do
it, though, but it's going to be quite a strain because I'm not
the same young man I was that back then. Yeah, I mean as
far as that wall, you said, I can't they do that with bolst
of wood or something? Make it? We know what's going to happen.
Are you gonna Are you gonna do it? For real? Completely? What
I'm going to do. I'm going to I'm going to have help, but
I'm going to I'm going to do I'm going to do the whole thing too,
exactly how I did it, and when I need somebody to help me
lift something up, I'm going to just no, not not ashamed to you
know I'm a bit older. Now, Yeah, yeah, that's it's not
it's not the big deal. But but it's a case of it's a case
of I'm going to build it, and the autopsy table is it's quite a
precise thing to build, and when I when I do it, you'll see
you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. I did. I did actually show
the plans in my book and how I made it, but it's different to
see it to actually see it happening. And the same with all the all
the bits of bits of stuff from the debris footage and the tent that I
built there and all that stuff. I'm going to rebuild the whole lot for
this, and then we're going to culminate with a finished autopsy room with all
the kit in it. And then we're going to use that set for the
movie brilliant, because it's going to be I've got to create it for the
movie anyway. So but the difference in the movie will be that there will
be actors playing the roles of me, John and Georgina in a movie.
So that's a different thing. And when people say, oh, yeah,
well I could have done that, I could have made that. You know
I could have done. Yeah, you could you know what anyone could have
done what we did if there wasn't a necessity for it to be secret,
right, because you can go and buy a clock and I tell phone,
and you can buy stuff and get stuff and make stuff and it doesn't matter
who sees you doing it because it doesn't have to be secret. But when
it's secret, if you buy a nineteen forty six clock from America and it
comes to your address and it's all traceable, right, so suddenly an alien
autopsy comes out and it's got a clock in it, somebody somewhere is going
to say, oh, yeah, I thought a clock like that to this
guy called spiro Us, right, and you're you're done right. So if
you have to do what we did in secrecy, total secrecy, now it
becomes impossible because where do you do it without anyone seeing, without prying eyes?
You know, where do you create an alien when people can't see see?
When John, when John created the alien, what he did was he
cast his son, Michael. He was ten years old at the time.
But the family is quite tall. That his wife's side of the family quite
tall, So the twins are at five foot so he used Michael as the
basis, so he made a plaster cast of Michael's body. Then what he
did was because it didn't have a head on it, okay, or the
feet, because John's going to sculpt new feet and a new head and new
hands, so he's got He then had a basis to start with, which
was a body, a human body, which was smaller than the body that
he's going to create. So he can add clay to that plaster to make
it bigger, right, so to define the new alien that's it's going to
become. So used he used his son's body to make the plaster cast.
But when he did that at a studio called Murphy's, which is it's a
studio where where people where artists work in film special effects. But John didn't
give anything away because there was no head, no hands, no feet.
All they saw was a little boy's body, and he was sculpting a more
muscular body on top of the plaster little boy's body. So anyone that saw
that didn't have a clue this was going to be an alien. I didn't
have a clue. So that John then brought that whole thing to Georgina's house
when it was ready to start fine tuning it, and we lifted it and
brought it in a van to Georgina's house, put it out in the back,
and then John sculpted the head and the hands and everything in Georgina's house,
again away from prying eyes. So if you had to do that somebody
somewhere, we'll see it. You do it in private. Yeah, And
you know, so when people say to me, oh, yeah, well
we could, we could have done that, they really forget about They think
they're talking about the alien body. They're not talking about the film. Because
the minute you try and make that film, you've got to now build that
room. And that's it's not just the body, it's it's the room it's
in, it's all the things in the room, and it's the people that
are then go into that room to do the autopsy. When you put it
all together, becomes enormous, it becomes it's not as easy as it first
seems. And I did a documentary, a spoof documentary that people didn't realize
it was spoof when I did what I made it, because obviously the film
that the film was it was called Roswell. The investigation continues and there's a
copy of it on YouTube if anybody wants to go and see it on my
channel a Spiro spizz And on that documentary, I visited a guy called Bob
Keane at Pinewood who said that he could recreate it. So I've got a
promissory note from Hong Kong TV channel who said they will give a million dollars
to anybody who can recreate it. So I went along and I said,
look, we've got a million dollars for you if you can recreate it.
He said, yeah, yeah, I can do it easily. I said,
okay, well here are here are the rules. Right, you have
to recreate it in complete secrecy. Nobody must know that you created it,
so nobody can say, oh, yeah, I was there, I saw
it and it's fake. And he said, oh, I didn't realize that.
I said, so if you're going to hire anything, people will know
you're hiring something that you're going to later film and say it was nineteen forty
seven. If you're going to create a body and you're going to you're going
to get kited equipment. Everything's got to be dated exact. It can't just
be any old clock, any old telephone, because an expert will say that's
a modern telephone, so it has to be exacting, and you've got to
do it in secret. You know, you're there plenty of that, having
your people pointing out. Yeah. So he then said, oh, I
didn't realize that. I don't. Well, that makes it a bit more
difficult, I said. And at the end, you've got to then portray
as nineteen forty seventh film. And he went, oh, oh, I
don't know if I can do that. Maybe I'll love to see if I
can source it and if I can do this, and I can do that
right. And in the end he had to turn down a million dollars because
he couldn't make it. And this is a guy that is working at point
Wood in movies who said he can make it right because he didn't understand the
enormity of what we actually did. We didn't just make an alien body and
say there you go as an alien. That isn't what happened. So so,
yeah, where we've gone full circle. It's now twenty twenty three and
we're still talking about it. Santilli still hasn't given any film to be tested.
He is trying to sell a single frame for a million dollars, and
we're now heading towards twenty four. I'll still and I still don't think it'll
appear either. It won't, it won't. Let's challenge him again. Now
I've done it a million times on you know, Ray, if you're listening
to this, you know you've called me out that somebody said to me only
this week, that you said that I wasn't anything to do with the alien
autopsy, which is so it's fair for me to now call you out.
It's fair fair for me to do that. So if you are listening to
this, let's see some real film that would that would nip it in the
bud, wouldn't it would? It would finish this argument. It would finish
his argument once and for all. So so and I'm asking you to do
it. I'm saying, let's do it. I'm calling you out because I
know you haven't got any Bring some real film to the table so it can
be tested. Yeah, Yes, there can be no good reason not to.
Yeah, because here are the reasons. I'll save you the time.
Okay, I can't deliver any film because I haven't got any because it was
taken away. But why are you showing Philip Mantles and other people real film.
And how are you trying to sell them a single frame for a million
dollars if you haven't got any film, right, that's bullshit, that's nonsense.
So okay, so it's taken away. That isn't the thing, all
right? So you haven't got enough, you haven't got enough film to give
Well, all you need is four frames. Okay, so if you do
three frames to test it, and one frames a million dollars. But if
you test it, it's worth a billion dollars. It's priceless. It's the
moment he'll be able to afford to give you a couple of million. Yeah,
I don't hold no problem. Yeah, don't hold your breath, because
it's not going to happen, right, it's just not going to happen.
He hasn't got any film. But the excuses are still there. Oh this,
oh that or the other. It's in mister Santilla's interest to get it
tested because then his film becomes pless. Yeah right, it gets rid of
people like me because he won't have any contesters because he's just delivered real film
that he nips it all in the bud, doesn't it. It secures it
secures his and his family's future forever and his grandchildren's forever. Right they become
billionaires, and they become they become the reason that we know aliens exist,
and he's evidence of it. But until he does that, because he won't
do it, he can't do it. The incentive to do it is very
high, but he's not doing it. Well, does that tell us you
do it? You do it, and you become wealthy beyond dreams, and
you prove everybody right, the sorry everybody wrong once and for all, or
you don't do it, And that doesn't make any sense at all, not
at all, so that you can't have it both ways. He said that
that he sent all the film to the collector in Germany who bought it.
That you know that would be Vulcar. I was, but I suppose,
but Volka's very money orientated. He's he's a he's a guy that puts stuff
out in an own you know, copyright. He doesn't even know to out
get sued because he wants to make it. But that's who Vodka was.
And I don't think Vulcan's around anymore. But but if he is around,
if if his family is inherited, it where is it? This is priceless.
This should be in Southby's right now being auctions for for unthinkable money,
because that's that's what would have happened. But it hasn't happened. Yeah,
well I have to I have to say that everything you've been told about is
in your amazing book, girl, Grea in front of me, The Anion
Autopsy, the Greatest Hopes of all time? You still have you still got
a few. I've only got five copies left. Because it's a message and
it's a fantastic all color book, and it's what yeah seven, seven hundred
and every poses it you know, I can't remember seven's three hundred and sixty
almost Yeah, yeah. But it's a work of art, isn't it.
It's a beautiful book. I took a lot of time on it and and
I wanted to do something special. I am going to release a paperback version
of it soon. And the reason that I haven't done it is because the
manuscript that I created that that book is is lots of full color pages and
all the manuscript is part of that artwork. So it's very memory hungry.
Yeah, So for me to upload that to anything, it's just crashing all
time. So the read the way I've got to do it. I've got
to separate the written word out of the program I was using in order to
upload it, and then add the photos and stuff as a secondary thing,
and then i can put it on Amazon. So that's what I'm going to
do. I haven't got round to doing it, that's all. That's all
that's happened, and I'm not you know, yeah, well I can see
it being a mess market paper based. Ye. Lots of people want it.
Lots of people want it, so the the the need for me to
do it is quite high. So I'm going to do it. But I've
been trying to do movies. I've been trying to do as I'm saying,
especially with a movie in the process and also the other whole series. Yeah,
talking about I think it's going to be sort of holy sort after Yes,
I think so, and I hope so. So. I am going
to put it out and a slightly smaller format, so it's not it's not
gonna be as big as the book that you've got. It would be,
ever, says, slightly smaller in terms of the size of it, the
famum amount of pages. It might have a few more. Actually, I
might add the few latest things that have happened at the end, just to
bring it up to date. But that's pretty much. It'll be a lot
cheaper, you know, it'll be very accessible. So so that's what's that's
what's in the pipeline. You know, I've I've recently released I've really launched
my my website on store which is called Alien Dot Gifts. That but now
you started, that's great. Yeah, yeah, so the books available on
there also a number of other alien autopsy bits and a few other alien e
you're you're reading too it daily you'll see things on Facebook. They'll keep on
popping up and your yea things, luggage, t shirts, models, DVDs,
all sorts of stuff on that. Yeah, there's there's mugs, there's
watches and jewelry, and there's all sorts of stuff costumes for for for Halloween
and masks and all sorts of stuff. I'm being approached daily, people are
coming to me and saying I've got these, I've got that, you know.
So the remit is this, It's it's basically when I say alien alien
gifts, and the men to say it's got to be you know, just
alien stuff. It's it's futuristic stuff as well. It's sci fi stuff.
You know. The watches that I've got don't have hands, you know,
they're all very futuristic and unusual looking. Everything's very very reasonable in terms of
I don't make a fortune from the site. It's it's not overly priced,
so it's everything's kind of kept. I've managed to bring the T shirts down
to twelve pounds twenty starting from twelve pound twenty, but still very high quality
T shirts, so they're not they're not cheap. Oh, they're double stitched,
and you know they've got they've they've got all the right reinforcement in the
color and in the shoulders and and what have you. They'll stand a few
washes, you know. So I'm being I'm trying to do the right thing
and deliver some stuff, and it's turned out to be quite an animal to
feed. But but I'm enjoying it. It's it's it's you know, I
will be I will be introducing replicas from the debrief footage soon. So there's
things that were in the in the alien autopsy that I'll be introducing that that
will be a very limited edition run, but a few people that keep contacting
me saying when will you when we'll be able to buy this? When we're
you know, so that that will be coming soon. Yeah, so it's
all it's all good fun. I still maintain what I've always said. You
know, people say to me, do you believe in aliens or you know,
I've never seen one myself, And for that reason, I've got to
say the juries out I've got to believe that they're they're out there somewhere.
I don't know the answer, to be honest, I just don't know.
This is a dilemma, right, let's let's kind of I don't want to
go too deep into this, but this is a dilemma. If they exist,
they're either traveling in a mental capacity, in a spiritual capacity, so
something that you can't feel in touch, or they are highly evolved physical beings
that are nothing like us because they're traveling a distance that they're traveling at speeds
and through radiation belt and extreme heat and so many things that we humans can't
contend with. Right, so they're going to be different to us. So
I don't know where to start with it. What are they? Who are
they? How do they travel? Are they traveling through time and space.
Are they traveling through I don't know, other dimensions? Is it something we
need nderstand? This is this is the figure. I mean, I think
in a dimensional respect, is is quite believable. And also, I mean
there's gonna be there's gonna be civilizations out there. There are going to be
millions of years of revolts of us more evolves, So there's no reason why
it couldn't be using some sort of a technology and science. So we know
nothing about Have you seen on my shop? Have you seen my theories?
I do see. I've got a running gag which is in a parallel universe
somewhere billions of like years away, and I've done earthly artwork but with aliens
in them. Yeah. So so the idea is that this is a parallel
universe. So in another art exhibition somewhere else, in another parallel universe,
they're doing the same as us, but with aliens being the start, right,
And I've done quite a bit of that. I've I've got a number
of They're just fun, fun ideas, you know. I've got Alienardo da
Vinci, that's right, yeah, because yeah, yeah, and the mugs
are lovely, by the way, that I've done a seven months to that.
But but there, I mean, when I say they're lovely, I'm
not blowing my own trumpy. I'm just saying they've written nice quality and they're
they're you know, they're very pleasing. Then they're good talking points. But
but I've tried. I'm playing on this idea of a parallel universe as opposed
to you know, so, so it's not different to ours, it's just
different players, right, So there will be an alien you and an alien
me in this parallel universe doing this show, right, so, so in
their way, so you know, but it's just like it could be the
other way around. I could be you, you could be me. Yes,
yes, that would be fun. I don't know. Listen, the
beauty, the beauty of fantasy is exactly that, right, we can fantasize
and that's what makes it fun. The minute it gets theory, yes,
is when people start start earning money and don't want to stop earning money.
Yeah, and then suddenly guns come out, you know, becomes a whole
different ball game. You know, it's not a party anymore. And and
there's a lot of that going on. I mean, Richard Dolan, he's
he's done some interesting stuff, but he wouldn't entertain conversation with me. He
won't, he won't able to talk to me. No. I even mentioned
you to him actually when I met him a few years later when this was
going on with the Kick Green stuff, and I said, you need to
be talking to Spirits Belarus about the Hadding autopsy, and he kind of said,
oh, really that was it? You know? Yeah, yeah,
but he knows me. I've written to him and and he's ignored me.
I got a reply from an intern or a secretary or somebody recently about four
months ago. Oh, we've just seen your your thing. And Richard's busy
at the moment, but you know, he will get back to you soon.
And then obviously he's probably said, how are you doing? I don't
know what to talk to this guy. But she's just done the right thing.
She just did the right professional thing and said look that we were going
to be dealing with it soon. There's still no reply. But when you've
got a monetized platform and this guy's going to tell you that what you've been
taking money off people is true, you don't want to you don't want to
deal with it. That's clearly what it is. You know, it's just
it's just it's better not discuss it. Then he can hand on his heart
say, well, I don't know the guy. I haven't spoken to him,
and that's it. Yeah, yeah, I think kind of. I
think sometimes these things are a lot of sensational enough. I mean, maybe
in your movie comes out, it might be a whole different story and people
have a different attitude. Well, there'll be a different audience now as as
soon as my movie comes out, and it'll be what it'll be a while
yet, but when it comes out, there'll be a brand new audience of
people that weren't even there in ninety five. And there'll also be a brand
new showbiz audience that want to talk about how cheek the whole program is,
the whole thing is. Well, I mean, the whole story will be
fantastic. It'll be a bit of comedy and a little bit of serious stuff
all mixed up. Well, it's it's it's a black comedy, it's a
truth story. But there was an awful lot of funny stuff that went on,
a lot of stuff that even you don't know. We've we've talked a
few times, but I've not told your stuff about John and about Isabel.
Sure, there's a lot of personal stuff that could be the movie. The
difference between the movie and the six part series is the sixth part series talks
about the players who were involved, what they did, and how they did
it okay, and how I made it all fit together because I was a
kingpin. I was a central. I dealt with Santilli. I dealt with
everybody else. Santilli never never dealt with John, for example, you with
me, So John took orders from me. Jo took orders from me.
Santilli and I discussed between us. I never talked to I never talked to
anybody he was talking to with distribution, which is why he got away with
selling it all over the world without me knowing. But but but Sanctilly never
spoke to Georgina or to Greg or to John. They all talked to me.
So I was the central, the central person. Everyone's boat too in
the creation of the thing. So you are both managers of your own parts.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, So the thing is right when it
comes to when it comes to the six part series, everyone did a job,
and it's a matter of fact, John did this, I did that,
and this is how we did it, and it's just a documentary.
Although it's dramatized, there are sections in it where we recreate what happened.
So a person playing me and a person playing John have a conversation within within
the docu drama. It's what we said, it's the actual words, right.
The movie is slightly different because there are lots of subplots, so you
get to see John's life away from me and away from the Ailien autopsy,
So you get you get a feeling of who he is, what his life
was about, what his suffering was, what his pain was, where his
pleasure came from. You got to know that the character, and then you
better understand his role in the Aiden autopsy, staying with Georgina and I,
and the same with people that I was dealing with away from the Aiden autopsy.
So it's lots of sidelines, and the movie also deals with the people
that weren't even involved in the Ailien autopsy. He were on the outskirts,
like Philip Mantle, who was trying to decipher what the hell's going on and
trying to find out is it real, who's involved, what's happened, And
there was a time when he was even, so he was real, didn't
he for a while? Yeah, right at the beginning. And then when
I came forward, see what happened was John Humphries went to tried to once
it became public knowledge and said Tilly was going to make a movie. John
tried to sell his story to Fox because Fox had already done a special and
he wanted to get He went to Bob Kivyat to sell up the story and
Bob Kiva had lots of questions that John couldn't answer because John only was involved
in his part. And John said, well, you need to seek speak
to Spirous about all the other stuff. So he didn't give my surname.
He just called me Spirous. So Kivat had my name but didn't know who
I was. Then later when I finally met Philip Mantle and I came out,
he said, we've been looking for you, spiro Us. We don't
know who you were. We didn't have your surname. We just knew there's
a guy called Spirous. So he knew of me before I materialized, and
so did Michael Hessman, who wrote the book with Philip Mantle about Roswell.
And during that time, somebody a whistleblower went to Michael Hessman and said,
the guy that made the alien autopsies a guy called Spiros and this is his
phone number, and his girlfriend plays the nurse. Michael Hesselman had that information
in late ninety five, right, and he phoned me up. Did you
know this? I'm pretty sure you had mentioned it to me. Ye.
So Michael Hessman phoned me and he said, are you Spiros? Yes?
Did you make the alien autopsy? Point blank? Just came straight out with
it. So I said, sorry, who is this? And he said,
oh, my name is Michael And he said and did your girlfriend play
the nurse? And I said, I don't know what you're talking about.
Of course I would, right, That's what I said, And he said
okay, then bye bye. And he never mentioned it to Philip Mantle,
and they wrote the book talking about the Asian Autopsy. Didn't and he had
me. He knew about me, but it didn't suit him to pursue it
further. He preferred having it as a real film and didn't tell Philip Mantle.
Philip Mantle invited me to a UFO convention that he was hosting and as
a speaker, and I spoke at that convention, and Philip and Michael Hessman
was there, and Hesselman when I when I was doing questions and answers,
he asked me a question and I immediately recognized his accent and his voice.
He's got He's got quite an effeminate German accent, very distinguishable, right,
So I knew it was him immediately. I knew I'd spoken to this man,
so I went. I went to Philip Mantle afterwards. I said to
him, you know, I know this guy. He phoned me up and
he says, what did he fill you? He called me up and he
told me this, and he asked me, did I make the an autopsy?
And he asked me if my girlfriend was the nurse? So he said
what else? He went straight over to Michael Hessman and he said, did
you know about spirits? But before all of this and you spoke to him
and he said yes, and he said, why don't you tell me?
Oh, I didn't think it was important, and Michael and Philip fell out
over it. Well yeah, right, but Michael Hesseman knew me, knew
of me, but all the way back then. So when people say,
oh I was inserted, well you can't have it always, you can't have
it. I was inserted, but my name was out there all this time
because my name is not a common name, right, it's not. It's
not like you know, there's lots of spirits is out there, but how
many are in England? And who met her in the film industry and know
John Humphries And when you pile it all together, yeah, all that information
together, Yeah, I agree with you. You know, it's not John
Smith and we're looking for a John Smith, you know, and it could
be anybody. It's me, yes, I'm very visible. So Michael Hessman
is still maintains. I asked him point blank on my group the other day
do you think the alien autopsy film is real? And he wouldn't answer.
He avoided that question. He wouldn't say yes, it's real. He wouldn't
say no, it's not real. He just said that. He just said
that I don't know enough about it, and I'm not who I am,
blah blah blah, And he bases that on. Santilli gave him the whereabouts
of the crash site where where the aliens crashed in New Mexico, and he
said he gave it to him from the cameraman that took the alien autopsy.
All words, no evidence, just words. Okay, So Michael Hessman went
out to New Mexico, found the crash site, is convinced that he's found
the genuine crest such crash site. Therefore, the cameraman is genuinely real and
Santilly is telling the truth. Well, no, he's not. Santilly could
have met anybody, a military person, a nurse, said, doctor whoever
from Roswell, who was there in nineteen forty seven, who could have given
him a verbal account of what they saw. Right, That doesn't make them
a cameraman that filmed the alien autopsy. Right. So if somebody gave the
whereabouts of a crash site and he gave it to Michael Hesselman, and Michael
Hesselman says the crash site was in Socorro, New Mexico, then that's fair
enough. I can't debate that. I don't know. It could be true,
it might not be. But I do know one thing. It wasn't
a cameraman that filmed the alien autopsy. This is a complete different person.
It can't be because the alien autopsy isn't real. So so I'll give you
the benefit of the doubt and say it could be somebody who was from that
time. A witness doesn't make it necessarily a cameraman would be anybody. And
I said that to Michael Hessman and he still didn't respond to that. It
didn't it didn't acknowledge. Well, yeah, that's possible, it's possible the
two things are not associated. But he did say, and here's the bit
that really winds me up. When I went to Roswell, I interviewed lots
of people, and I was told of four different crash sites. Okay,
so I've visited them all, knowing that it can't all be the crash site,
can they No, obviously not. No. So so somebody's got a
piece of land in Roswell and thinks, you know what, I can make
some money. He charge ten bucks a time. People don't visit the crash.
When you go out there, it all looks the same anyway. Yes,
yeah, that's right, that's right. So I went to mac Brazil's
ranch where it was supposedly happened. But Michael Hessman said to me, that's
not where this came from. It came from Socorro, New Mexico. And
that's why you don't know what you're talking about. And I said to him,
well, you know what, when it comes to the crest site,
I really don't know what I'm talking about. I haven't got a clue,
and I'll learn from you if you tell me the crest site was in Socorro,
New Mexico, and not in Roswell, which is quite close by the
way. But all right, fair enough, I can't argue with you,
but I can tell you the alien autopsy film isn't not real, and the
creature within the film is nothing like anything else said, I've not seen anything
else to copy it from. It came from mine head, came from my
imagination, so I can't say that I fluked it to be exactly what anything
else might have happened. Right, So the film is not anything to do
with the crash. But let me ask you another question. Because he's a
scholar, he's an educated man. This is but the very very smart okay,
much cleverer than me. Okay, this man has written one hundred books.
I think over one hundred books. Okay. He works with a Vatican,
he's a he's a he's a proper historian. Okay, So I'm going
to give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he's talking about,
because he's much smarter than I am. But I've got what they call
street street cred, right, I have a logical brain. I have something
that's just logical. There needs to be something tangible for me to buy it.
And that's not necessarily an educated thing. It's it's a feeling, it's
a it's a balance of probability. And here's the question I'm going to ask
you. Okay, I asked this to Michael Hessman, and he won't answer.
Something definitely crashed in Roswell, New Mexico, on Matt Brazil's ranch in
nineteen forty seven. There are too many witnesses who said that happened, including
Jesse Marcel, who was the intelligence officer in Roswell in nineteen forty seven,
who's who went to the crash site to retrieve the supposed flying saucer that crashed
on it. Okay, we know that because there's too much evidence that something
crashed. We don't know that it's a flying disc. It might not have
been. But something definitely did crash in New Mexico in Roswell. So the
question is how many crashes were there, because if Michael Hessman has evidence there's
a crash into Coron, New Mexico, and we've got one on Matt Brazil's
ranch, and I visited two other crash sites as well. This is the
bit that becomes a little bit sticky for me. There was supposed to be
another one a Corona, another one Corona, so they can't land their own
aircraft. These these highly superior beings, right, that traveled these hundreds of
thousands of light years to get to us in spaceships or craft or whatever they're
traveling in. That's so sophisticated that we can't do what they do. But
but the somehow they fail at the last hurdle and just crash. Apparently it
was supposed to be some sort of radar thing, wasn't it. Though.
That's that's the that's the theory you're went out. But the thing is,
though it's a theory, that's nonsense, because if you if you know anything
about radar or radio or any kind of radiation waves that travel in the air,
this is normal. That's what our atmosphere is made of. It's full
of radioactivity, right, It's full of it. It's not even like a
little bit of whatever. It's like you know yourself, how many radio stations
they are out there, how many TV stations are out there, how many
telephone networks there are out they're all working in that airspace. Okay, so
it's nothing that's gonna it's even gonna affect. Then there wasn't so many better
then even But you're telling me that these able traveled or these things traveled all
this distance and a superior craft and knows nothing about radio waves. Really,
I find that really hard to believe. So so the logical part of me
says, I don't believe they're crashing everywhere. If there was a crash,
it would have been an isolated crash. If there was a crash, it
might have been they got shot down. Is that possible? Is that possible?
They got shot down? But something right happened. Did they get hit
by lightning? Maybe I doubt that very much, but maybe right, So,
all of these things are possible. We're never going to know. But
I do know that the probability of every spaceship that's ever landed as crashed is
nonsense. Right. Maybe you can't say that because you've got you've got you've
got your crop circles where clearly they haven't crashed there, they've they've landed apparently.
So so all right, we don't cray, but how many are have
crashed? Right? I don't think you can out how many aeroplanes crash A
right, let's no, right, not many nowadays. But you know when
they're crash, they're crashing for what reason? Right, But when you've got
a spaceship that they're coming to it and they're crashing, that's really convenient for
this, for the UFO story, right, to have this this crash and
we we've got bits of spaceship and we've got the aliens that were inside it.
And you know, really, okay, are you asking me to believe
too much? I can't. I can't stretch to that. I did a
T shirt on my shop which is quite funny. It's the it's the Roswell
Highway, right, so so it's got it's got it's got a sign that
says Roswell out Limits. Have you seen the T shirt? I think I've
already seen it. You've seen it. And it's a spaceship, but a
spaceship about the crash and above the above the Roswell Outer Limits sign. It
says please don't drink and fly. Oh yes, I've seen that one.
Yeah, it's please let drink and fly, because maybe that's what's happening,
right, Maybe they get drunk and they're they're crashing. I also alluded to
my my I'm not a chauvinist, by the way, but I play.
I play the chauvinist because it's funny. I make funny remarks. You can't
do it anymore, but everybody, everybody attacks you. You can't do anything
anymore. You can't say anything. You're either going to be a chauvinist or
racist or see we're all going to have a label now. Yeah, you
can't do anything without But I did say then it could have been female drivers,
right maybe, and that's why they keep crashing and and I'm hoping people
will take it as a gag that's supposed to be because do you know what,
I don't care try and cancel me. I've got nothing to cancel.
I know you're not a chauvinist anyway. I'm not. I'm not really not.
I've got a mother and a sister that I love dearly and I respect
highly, and and trust me, they're they're they're amazing, right, So
I know I know that they are the superior sex, there's no question.
And men men play at being the boss where we're not. That's the fact
we're not true in your in your marriage, really, you're the boss.
Really sometimes a lot to try and think. So, yeah, you're the
man of the house, you're the lion, you're the king. But reality
is that if Chill said, you know what, I fancy knocking this wall
down, you know what, you're nocking that wall down? Yeah, well,
we all get looked after, don't we. You know that's right,
that's right, that's right. But it is humor and we mustn't we mustn't
sense a humor but aliens, right, But we're being alienists, right,
We're saying that they can't fly their planes. So the c and that kind
of makes sense to somebody like Michael Michael Hessiman. Yeah, I will say
in closing down, I mean, you've never denied that there's there could well
be an alien autopsy out there, a genuine one. But it's not a
world film. It's not your film. You you made that one. That's
right, But let me make let me make that even clearer. Okay,
the reason my film has been as successful as it's been and as controversial was
it's been is because the possibility of there being an autopsy out there, the
rumor that there could have been one out there, Because if if a craft
crashed, and if they did collect bodies, and if those bodies, if
one died, it's only natural that our scientists are going to dissect it to
see how it works. And the coint the phrase alien autopsy was actually wrong.
Okay, it's stuck. We're stuck with it now, but it's actually
wrong. It should be dissection. It was the alien dissection because they weren't
trying to find out They didn't try to find out how the alien died.
They tried to find out how the alien works. Right, Okay, it
was the first time. It's first day at school. We've got an alien,
right, well, how does it? How does it survive? I
don't know. We've got to look inside, is it like us? Right?
That's not an autopsy? So right, So that's flawed in its concept.
Right, we're live in it with it now, and we've got a
guy doing an autopsy in autopsy procedures on an alien, where actually it should
be a scientific dissection. Yeah, Well, I suppose at the time it
sounded right, didn't it, you know, of course? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, But it's a mistake in hindsight. In hindsight, it should
have been called the alien dissection, but it wasn't. It was a mistake.
But let's get back to what we were just saying. If it crashed,
and if there were bodies, and if they were taken back, and
if they were then dissected. Okay, all of that story leads to the
fact that them must have documented it. And if they documented it, how
would they document it were photographically and with film and an audio accompaniment from the
person doing the section talking about what they're discovering, right, which is why
I put a micro phone there. That's why all of this, all of
that stuff was in there, because that's what would have happened. So if
that's what would have happened, then if it did happen, So if we
agree there was a crash and it might have been in a spaceship, and
there might have been bodies, then I can say to you the probability of
there being a real alien autopsy out there is quite high. If it's real,
If there genuinely was a spaceship crash. So that then makes my film
probable because because there was a situation that says that this could have happened,
Right, So, if Roswell hadn't happened, would people have still believed it
as much as what we've got here? Because the people at Roswell have reported
dead bodies and they were taken by the military, and an autopsy was done
on those bodies developed from there, that gave it credibility. Right, So
I'm not saying there isn't a real in autopsy out there. I hope there
is. I can tell you and on my heart and everything I hold dear
that this film does not depict a real event. Nothing in that film is
factual. It's a sci fi movie. Nothing, not one thing in there
apart the objects. The objects are real, you know, the alien isn't.
That autopsy table isn't the suits they're wearing aren't. They're all made up.
They all came from my head. So that's the bottom line. I've
said it a million times. You know, find me that room. That
room must exist somewhere, right. It's a quite distinctive room. You know,
it's got a window in the wall. You know, it's it's white.
It's just got a telephone on the wall. There, it's got a
clock on the wall. You know, show me that room, because that
room must have existed before the alien autopsy happened, if it was real,
and if it was, if it existed, it doesn't matter what they used
the room for. It must be some kind of documented evidence, photographs,
something somewhere. It would have been an autopsy because if he's got an autopsy
table and everything in it. So yeah, But the argument is that maybe
they brought it in to use that room for this for some reason. You
know, there's all some reasons why it might have been something. Might have
been a laboratory, it might have been whatever. But the point is it
must exist somewhere in a building somewhere, right, So where is it?
Why has nobody said, well, yeah, I've been in that room.
Somebody somewhere must have been. You know, this has gone to Roswell,
to New Mexico. I've taken the film to Roswell and shown it to people
who were there. Not one person said, yeah, that room's and that
building over there. Yeah, you're thinking at least fifty people would know about
it, wouldn't Somebody would right, But nobody's ever said, here's the room,
let alone the autopsy table. That room has to exist in a building
somewhere, and it hasn't. It doesn't exist, all right, So it's
not just the stuff in the room. It's a room itself. Nothing about
it is real. So anyway, so we've done We've done it to death
again. No, No, there's always a little bit different coming out,
and I think it's a It's always good to talk to you, Sperius anyway,
And I will put all those links to your alien gifts on the on
Parallel Dimensions page. I'm looking forward to seeing you again, surely, and
yes, I'm expecting to. You'll be doing a few presentations hopefully. Well,
I'm going to be doing I've, I've I'm looking after a lovely venue
in London that I'm going to be putting on events at and I'm thinking about
doing a UFO event. I don't know what I'm going to do yet,
but I will. I'll definitely do a talk on the alien autopsy, as
well as anything else that sounds really good. It might be a weekend event,
it might be something that goes over two days, it might be I
don't know. Yet, but I'll keep you posted. Hopefully you'll be part
of that and do something as much as I possibly can. Yeah, I'd
love you to be part of it and be involved and to do something there
if you want to. It's it's not going to be like other UFOL conventions
where you've got a thousands of people turning up. It's going to be a
smaller affair, but hopefully quality. Who knows, maybe maybe our friends the
consellers will come. Maybe I'll see who I can, who I can get
to talk and and do it. It's near enough for them anyway, isn't
it, you know, Yeah, away from most of us really. Yeah.
Well it's off in articular roads, so it's very easy to get to,
lots of parking and and it's it's it's a nice venue. We're renovating
it now and putting in a nice bar and a few a few nice bits
and pieces, and the sounds very good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
We've got the screen in, we've got the projector room, we've got the
stage, we've got really in. So so yeah, definitely going to do
a few things there. I want to do a UFO when I've mentioned a
UFO type convention, to non UFO people. When I say that, I
mean people that are not in the community, not people that are are well
known in it or fanatics. They've it's been very well received and lots of
people that are not in the community want to go to something like it.
So so maybe I'll have a few people with some books and some some merch.
Yeah, you could do a sci fi one as well, something like
yeah, yeah, yeah, so so yeah, that's that's something I've got
that. As I say, well, we'll go a screen and the projector
and everything, so we can do screenings, we can do you know,
sorts of stuff. So what the space of They say, wouldn't it be
great if you could get your friend you're a geller over Yeah? Oo is
wo is up up to something at the moment, and he's he posted something
yesterday which shows a shot of lots of bodies lying I saw that in a
morgue and they're clearly alien looking bodies. Yeah. I think it's from the
X Files, and I know it's not real. Yeah, but he's kind
of making out that it is. No, I don't know, let's see,
Yeah, wy would he do that? Wonder is he putting a test
out or something. He's a very complicated man, because I'm sure he would
know that's not real. He's saying things like he's got some inside information on
it and he'll reveal it soon and I don't know, it be interesting to
see where it goes. Yeah, yeah, let's let's keep an eye out
on it. But yeah, okay, so I'll let you go into experience.
Was actually talking to you always always a pleasure, and I'll see you
soon. And it's been great. Oh yeah, we have covered a few
few other things. And if anyone out there is a little bit confused about
what we've been talking about, he is a confusing subject. It's not a
stroke for would I guess if one would like it to be. But look
out for Spisy's book, The Adian Autopsy, and hopefully you'll be coming out
in paperback as well. Sure, yeah, very soon. And also if
you've got a direct contact that contrary the direct question that you want to ask
me, and it won't cost you a penny and I will answer, go
to my Facebook group Alien Autopsy fact files. Yeah, and I know for
a fact that you will give a very detailed though I'll be happy to do
it. Yeah. Yeah, and you can and you can get some entertainment
with all the other things that have been on there, which which are quite
hilarious sometimes, yes, yes they are, they are. Sometimes I get
very angry with people, I get very annoyed because they don't listen, which
is not which is not like you at all. No, but I kind
of you know, And then I've got to remind myself it doesn't matter,
you know. And I just got to say, oh, it doesn't matter,
just leave it, and you know. And and I've got to say,
I've got to say, right, last thing, last thing. If
it wasn't for these people saying that it's real, it would have died in
five minutes. That's absolutely true. Yeah, right, So I owe them,
I owe them some gratitude. Really, I've got to say thank you,
Yeah, convincing that it was Yeah, so I've got to say thank
you for for keeping it alive, because it's the very reason it's if we
all agreed it was fake, it would die right away, wouldn't it.
Yeah? Absolutely yeah. And the fact that you're actually coming in a feature
film and another series, he says a lot, doesn't it. Yeah,
Yeah, it's fight listen. It was meant to be fun and I'm determined
to keep it fun. But seriously, it's you know, there's a guy
on my on my group at the moment called Caleb Waller. I've just discovered
it's not a real person. He's he's saying all sorts of nonsense, and
I'm proven him wrong at every juncture, and he's now admitted it's not he's
not a real person. And he's now saying that he's the actual real owner
of the Ailien autopsy. Right, And I'm saying, look, I don't
know if you've got another Ailian autopsy, but here's the thing, right,
do you predate me? No? I know that for a fact without even
asking you show me what you've got. Let's discuss it. If you were
genuine, you wouldn't be coming on here with fake names and just talking nonsense.
So so, yeah, they're out there still long long long maye to
live. Right, Yeah, we'll get to go and catch up on some
of that now, Yes, but it's all there. You're going to have
fun with it. You're going to with it. It's pretty it's a job
keeping up with it, I'll tell you. Yeah, even though it's constantly
developing. Yeah, well we'll have a look. Now there's new stuff gone
on. So it's just the waller thing. Is the actual? Is the
is the actual? The latest funny bit that's going through it because they bring
up things and I then show them the proof. Yeah, and just watch
what they're doing. And then then they bring something else up and I show
them the proof. And actually it's good because it just it strengthens my case.
That's you never back off from anything. So I know, Okay,
it's been been, as I say, been fantastic having you back on again.
We've got to have a good two hour repic again. That's good.
Yeah, I'll let you go and have a drink or so, but you
must be thank you, you must thank you very much. Thank you so
much for coming on this point and finding the time to come on. It's
been great talking to you. And as I say, i'll see you in
anyway, and thank you of yourself. Thank you again, sir. We
are that a spirits Maloris. Thank you spirits. Okay. The next show
which goes out on September eighteenth, and that will be with another returning guest.
That's Neil's story. Now, Neil has a book coming out just run
about right this minute. Now and it's about Brown Stoker, the creator of
Dracula, and he'll be talking about that. But also he's been working on
a UFO project, so we will be going for one end of a spectrum
to another, from Dracula to UFOs, so that should be quite an interesting
show. I should be looking forward to that one in between now and then.
If you lot to get in touch with me, my email addresses David
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