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This man and the Sorcerer. Can you

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describe him well, sir? He
was small and skinny. He had his

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head was pointed, he came to
a very sharp point. He had long

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green hair. His eyes were a
sort of purplish red. He had large

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ears which were formed like an antenna. His teeth were perfect, but spread

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far apart. And I noticed too, a jacket of some sort of spun

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glass and bright red buclic hues.
You say this all took place in a

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few seconds, mister Nagolschman, can
you tell me what colored tie I'm wearing?

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The sorrow, Sir, I didn't
notice. You mean to say,

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you can remember everything about this man
from the spaceship, his hair, the

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color of his eyes, the clothing
he was wearing. And yet after all

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this time, you can't tell me
the color of my tie. But you

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didn't come out of a flying saucer. Good detire, This is Sir Patrick

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Moore, and you're listening to the
paranor Are you okay? Medium network?

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Do you okay? It's biggest paranormal
radium network and this is Paranormal Diamond Troups

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with David Ya did you sterilize my
number? Twenty three Scalpel, Hello and

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welcome to the show. I'm David
Young. Well with a little bit of

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talk about aliens. We're going back
to the time of the alien Autopsy once

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again with the men who produced it, mister spirous Malaris. A few things

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have happened since the last time we
was on the show, which wasn't how

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the ago I have to say,
but it's a continuously developing situation with the

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alien autopsy, and believe it or
not, there are still people out there

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that believe it's real. So I'm
not going to waste him more time.

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I'm not going to welcome Spiritus Malara, respect to the show. Oh Spirits,

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welcome to the show. Hi,
Thank you, David, very very

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good to be with you again.
Yes, I think this is like your

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fourth appearance, is it. I
think on the show I've lost count.

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Yeah, I know, I've looked
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about the full time. Now we
must introduce you a little bit. I

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know a lot of people will know
who you are, but there may be

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some people who don't know who you
are. I don't really want to do

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a big detailed thing about the alien
Autopsy, which you are the the other

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man who produced it, and and
you're kind of sold down the river a

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little bit over it. You could
do a little bit of an outline,

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but you don't. Don't because I
mean, we've got all the detailed in

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the previous shows. If anyone wants
to hear all the real details, it's

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all in the previous show. But
there's been a few things that have happened

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over the last couple of years that
are getting quite interesting as far as the

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Alien Autopsy goes. To say,
as our good friend Mantle once said,

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and he said this some years ago
now, he said, it's never going

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away. Yeah right, And I
said, we'll event a little diet,

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it will die down and people love
interesting. He said, no, it's

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not going anywhere. It was never
going to go away, and he was

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right. It reinvents itself every year, every single year, something new happens,

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and well, I always find it, I'll continue to find it amazing

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that there's still people. They pop
up all over the place saying they still

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believe it's real. You know it's
genuine. Now, we talked about the

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Aiding autopsy hoax that you came out
with in nineteen ninety five. Everything,

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I'm right, that's right, yeah, correct it. And it was.

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It was a worldwide phenomena. Really
everyone was debating with it was all real

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or not? And I was,
I must have a bit. When I

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first saw it, I thought it
was real, and then then what did

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I mean? I'm being honest.
I had the VHS copy and everything,

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and then I think later I got
a DVD copy of it, and you

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know, an of course it was
going around and then you start thinking or

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is it real or is it not? And you know, but even when

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even when you were on the fence, it still it was so convincing.

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Did it looked real? Yes?
And then that's really all down to you

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and you and your team. It's
not all you, was it. It

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was your your team of experts with
the I had. I didn't actually know

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this at the time, but I
say this at every opportunity, But I

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didn't realize at the time that I
had a small group of people who were

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the best at what they did.
In the world at that time and probably

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even now right because they because they
weren't in the public eye and they weren't

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singing and dancing from the trees and
screaming their names out, people didn't know

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who they were, right. But
for example, John Humphries was not only

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was he super talented as an artist, but it was it's a genius.

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He's a he's is He invented ways
of doing stuff when you're making molds and

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when you're when you're sculpting, and
you know, he invented ways of making

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it easier and quicker and cutting corners
and saving money and you know, all

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that sort of stuff, because it's
an expensive process. If you want to

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make a mold, you know,
there's a lot involved. It's not just

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doing the sculpt it's fiberglass and it's
plaster and it's metal rods, and it's

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all all sorts of stuff. You
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money. You know, you're you're
doing just like a one off, aren't

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you You're doing a real specialized one. Yeah, just as if you're going

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to go into a mess production for
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One of My best friends, right
was the only person on the planet

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that could have done that at that
time. There wasn't anyone else around who

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could. I have got to do
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on site. He needed to just
drop it a scene and create something that

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no one's ever seen before and make
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sat down with him and designed what
the alien was going to be, how

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it how it functioned. And people
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We had to do stuff from the
ground up. Who is this alien?

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Where does it come from, how
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reproduce, how does it eat?
What does it do? All of those

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things before you build it. You
can't build something that you don't know how

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it works, otherwise you end up
with, you know, a dummy,

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a rubber dummy. So I had
the best in the world today. John

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Is is a Royal Academy lecturer,
which is quite something. And he's the

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guy that Damian Hrs, for example, employees to make stuff for him that

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sells for millions of quids. So
you know, we're talking the top of

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his game. And he was there
at my beck and call and underrated and

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under under valued if I'm honest,
because you know, it was no idea

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who I had. I had at
my exposure, disposure, and I also

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had my ex girlfriend Georgina. She
was unbelievable researcher, you know, and

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meticulous detail and all that sort of
stuff at my at my fingertips, you

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know, and all of these people
when you put when you put together what

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we all did. I think it
was a moment in time that just happened

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there and then, and I don't
think can ever happen again. At this

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point that they actually paid. They
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were they. George he paid the
part of the surgeon, and Georgina was

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in a role of the assisting nurse. That's right, But away from that

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in the film they played those roles. But away from that, Georgina taught

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John how to do an autopsy,
right, She researched how to do an

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auto see, and then talked to
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sculpted the alien, made the mold, created the body with me. By

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the way I mean it says,
it's a heavy job. You've got to

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lift. It's a big, big
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it and turn it and all sorts. Of studies, a two man job,

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and so John created the alien with
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set so that whole room had to
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in Camden. And then and Georgina
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had to do in terms of how
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do you behave? What equipment do
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So we're multitasked again and again and
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I drew the outfits that they were
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Georgina, who was a hobbyist.
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roll and we laid down the pattern
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then she stitched it. So the
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played the nurse in the film was
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I know, I know. And
she came up with some other equipment as

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well, didn't she. Yeah,
she got the she got the autopsy kit,

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which is a funny story in itself
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situation I mean, just just explain. Georgina was gorgeous, and she was.

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She was a very beautiful woman.
I miss she still, Liz,

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but she was. She was,
she was stunning, right and she she

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she walked into a room. Every
guy looked at her. Everybody turned around

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and to look who she said,
and she was shapely figure and tall,

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blonde, you know. She she
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and immediately got the attention of everybody
there, you know. And this

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young doctor came over and can I
help use anything you're looking for, you

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know, and got busy, and
she started asking questions about autopsic kit used

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in America in the forties and how
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and she just stumbled on a guy
whose father used to collect autopsy kits

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and another doctor, and he had
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throughout time and knew all about them, and explained to her that the Americans

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had solid stainless deel scalpels and tools, and the the Brits had wooden handles

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in the forties, so they didn't
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with blades, and so that was
a massive mistake we were about to make,

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right because I was going to go
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forties, you know. So she
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need to get some photos or some
side that's so we need to make some

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props. And he said, well, I've got actually got a kit back

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at my place. And I made
the joke that you know, it's the

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it's the old coming seed, come
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line, you know. And and
she she said, well, I'd love

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to come back and photograph, and
that's okay, and he said, well

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why don't you Because he was in
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won't just take the kit, photograph
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she arrived at the house with this
Hessian bag with a box inside and very

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pleased with herself. You're not going
to believe what I've got. And she

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had a genuine nineteen forty five to
forty six, brand new in the cellar

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phane. Everything was brand new in
a beautiful wooden chest or too see kit

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from America. Yea, it's unbelievable
and I know it's just like one of

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those one of those wow moments.
And she said, we've got to photograph

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it and then I'll take it back. And I said, well, George,

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look if we just photograph it in
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and then make sure it goes back
the same way, why don't we use

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it save ourselves an awful lot of
trouble. And I'm not going to use

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all of it. We'll just leave
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it on a tray, said,
we can see a full kit there,

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so if you're actually doing a real
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of it. And yeah, yeah, So so we actually used the kit

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and then and then cleaned it up, meticulously, put it all back as

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it was, and and and delivered
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but that that was just one of
those things that fell in out our lap,

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unheard of, right, So yeah, I think it was a moment

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in time where there was some kind
of that's some kind of energy that was

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that was just focused on this one
thing that it all just fell in place.

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I was asked by the BBC,
could I create another hoax that's going

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to do the same as this one
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And I thought I can, and
I probably will, and I'll fill you

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in on that as as it happens. But the climate has changed now,

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everything that the landscape has changed.
Where it was pre Internet and effects were,

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you know, were in order to
achieve what we did, you had

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to be top of your game.
Today CGI makes it so easy. So

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I don't believe anyone's going to ever
come up with anything now that anyone's going

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to believe because the first thing you'll
do is you say, oh yeah,

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Cgi, yeah right. You would
never have said that ninety five. All

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right, So it was a lot
more a lot more basic, at a

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lot more cruder, you know,
and it was it wasn't something that was

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easily achieved. So to do something
today that's going to go what we now

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call a viral because it went viral
pre internet. You know when you think

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about that, you know, it's
frightening. You know, it went all

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over the world, Well even went
all over the world before you even knew

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it, didn't it. Yeah,
Because that's that was one of my biggest

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downfalls because Santilli was able to sell
it around the globe without me knowing.

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I said, that's he's Ray Santilly
was talking about. He was the film

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distributor, and he was putting it
out as the real thing. He was

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He was supposed to give it free
to two broadcasters and asked them what they

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thought it was. And then that
way, you're not breaking the law.

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You're not you're not doing anything fraudulent. You're simply saying, he is a

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bit of an interesting film. What
do you think it is? And the

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idea is that it would be good
enough for them to say, well,

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it's not a human, it's not
special effect. If it's from nineteen forty

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seven, well it can't be a
special effect. Well what is it?

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And then hopefully somebody will say,
well, maybe it's an alien. Right,

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So that was the idea. But
he actually saw that people started to

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believe it was real, and he
saw value in it. He saw a

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monetary gain you. So he started
selling it. But he sold it abroad

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where I wouldn't see it, where
I wouldn't hear about it. But he

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gave it free to Channel four,
where I would hear about it. So

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when I heard about the Channel four
got this film, I checked it out

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and yeah, we've got it.
We were given it asked to investigate it.

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So it rang true, Well,
you know if it was today.

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Santilli would never have got away with
what he did because I would have seen

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it on an Internet straight away.
I would have seen it on a Google

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set, you know. But anyway, that's history now, so full full

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circle, nearly thirty years ago,
and it's still in the news and it's

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still out there. It's it's frightening. It's frightening that there's still people out

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there with all the evidence that there
is now. And it's not a small

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amount of evidence. It's quite a
lot. I believe you've even you've even

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published a messive book about it now
with all the details in it. Yeah,

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and and there's there's stuff that's still
coming out that because you've gotta understand,

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right, I'm not perfect. I
made a lot of mistakes in this

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film, right. I made a
lot of mistakes, and people haven't seen

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them right, And I'm discovering things
I did and thinking, oh my god,

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look at that. That's glaringly wrong. Right, But I didn't notice

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then, and I didn't otherwise I
wouldn't have done it right because we were

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in a hurry. We were in
a rush to create it. But I

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made an awful lot of mistakes that
I've pointed out now, and people still

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don't buy it. They still think
it's real. And the latest, the

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latest argument I've put forward, it's
quite a powerful one. It's not in

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I don't know if I did I
put it in my but I'm just trying

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to remember. I think I alluded
to it. But here's the thing,

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right, if this film was real, Okay, let's for a second just

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park that it might be real,
we have a number of things in the

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film which which we know for a
fact right exists. For example, there

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is a tall girl with big boobs
playing the part of the nurse. Okay,

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and we know she's tall because next
to John, the scut the surgeon.

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Let's not call him John, but
let's say that the surgeon. Okay,

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the surgeon who was played by John
is five ft eight. Okay,

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so next to Georgina or the nurse, she's taller than him. Okay,

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so we know she's five ft ten. We can see, we can see

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that. So that's two things we
know for a fact. There's a female

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with big boobs at least five foot
ten. And we've got a guy who's

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not fat, he's not skinny,
he's an average build, and he's five

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ft eight. Okay, we can
see that in the film. Then we

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can see a guy behind the window
who's quite slim and about the same height

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as John, maybe a little bit
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forget that for a minute, because
if it's a real film, it won't

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be Gareth, right, it'll be
it will be whoever. But it was

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Gareth. But here's the thing,
right, there's another guy walks in who's

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six foot something because he goes past
Georgina, and that's Craig Simmons. Okay,

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who's who was my ex business partner. Now, Greg walks in who's

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six foot one. I think he
is taller than Georgina. So now we've

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got three, sorry, four people
who are exacting sizes, and you can

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compare them to each other. Okay, so three men and you've got a

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woman. So then you've got to
say, okay, well, let's suppose

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I was put into this equation like
like our friend Wolford says, I was

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inserted into the picture after the event, so that was a genuine film,

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and then I was inserted later.
Well, my relationship with John was longer

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than this project. Okay, I'm
John's John's kids godfather. Okay. We

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were friends since the late eighties,
Okay, So it wasn't like we were

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introduced to each other for this project. Okay, it was we were friends

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already, working together, living together, going on holidays together. Right,

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So we were close already. And
Greg Simmons was already my partner for several

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years. And Garreras was working with
Gary Schufield and race An Tilly on the

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other side, on the distribution side
of this project. Okay, So he

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was already in the mix as well
for several years. And Georgina and I

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were dating maybe seven or eight months
before this. This thing happened before the

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alien autopsy. So when you put
all these people together, okay, and

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their expertise is okay, because that's
very important. If we didn't have the

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Let's suppose I wasn't in the film
industry. Let's say John wasn't in the

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special effects industry. Let's say Georgina
wasn't the academic she is right, and

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she didn't have all the qualities that
she needed to do this particular thing.

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If you put all those people together
as a team that could do this job

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because they have the qualifications, right, what are the chances of creating a

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team that have all of these qualities, that already knew each other, that

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fit the sizes of the people in
the film from nineteen forty seven. Right,

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it's an enormous task to get not
only to get a team that knows

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each other and they're in the right
place at the right time, but to

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also fit the people that were in
the film. Yeah, it's not like,

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you know, it's not like,
oh well John's a little bit tall,

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a bit shorter, a little bit
was you know, near enough.

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They are exactly those people. So
so the what they were in law,

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they call it the law of probability, Right, The probability of this being

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anything but those people in a modern
modern film is highly lightly mhm, you

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know. And all those are those
chalents put together as well in order to

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make this film. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't make it. You could

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just couldn't make it up and then
put them all in the same place.

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That's the thing, right, If
Georgina lived in Brighton, for example,

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and I was somewhere else, and
John was somewhere else, and you know,

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like we are today today, we
all live in different places, right,

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but at that moment in time,
we were all in the right place

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at the right time, so we
were all local to each other. So

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and the house we filmed in is
actually Georgina's house. So when you when

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you look at the fact that Santilly
shoe Field, John me Gary Shuefield,

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Gareth Watson, all of these people
have publicly a head that this was done

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at a house in Camden, all
of them. Okay, no one has

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said it was anywhere else. So
when you then when you then take that

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as as eyewitness report, right,
it's it's it's it's not one person,

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you then realize, Okay, Georgina
lives in that house, so she clearly

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was there and involved. So you've
got to tie it all up together.

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And when you tie it all together, you know, do you remember in

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a debris footage there was some handwritten
labels, yes, ye, on the

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items. Well, they were written
by Georgina's mum who lived there. And

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that is called cursive writing, and
it was it was taught in school.

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Everyone had the same handwriting that did
you know that? Yeah, I know,

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there was a similar type. Yeah, I remember the Italian every one

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had a similar handwriting. They didn't
have individual handwriting. It was all they're

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all taught to write the same way. Yeah, it was neither and neat

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and it was it was. It
was a form of calligraphy, but it

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was taught in schools and it isn't
anymore. Yeah. I think I was

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put through something that at myself,
like they were trying to get us all

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to write in italics. You know, it's very very similar type of thing.

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Yeah, so you know the fact
that it is written in that way.

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She was there, she she had
that handwriting. I was actually in

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Georgina's house when when when Joyce died, a mom was called Joyce. When

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Joyce died, it was the first
time I heard from Georgina in twenty years,

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and she contacted me to let me
know that mummy had died. And

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I said, and she's obviously on
her own. So John and I went

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over to her house and my sister
and I and John handled the funeral and

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the wake and all the things that
she couldn't do and helped her out with

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everything. And during that time I
was in her house and I saw a

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letter written by Joyce on the sideboard, and the little devil on my shoulder

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said, take it or take a
photograph of it. And I didn't because,

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believe it or not, I know
I hoped that an alien, but

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that's the artist doing that. It
wasn't. It wasn't a scoundrel, and

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I'm quite an honorable person. I
couldn't live with myself if I did that.

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But I had an opportunity to do
it, and that would have been

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a massive, a massive nail in
the coffin. Yeah, so you know,

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I couldn't live on myself knowing i'd
done that. It wasn't the right

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thing to ask her, you know, is it okay if I take a

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picture of this note? She She
was grieving. So I just didn't do

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it. And because it wasn't that
important. Now today it would be great

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to be able to say to people, here we go, there's a letter

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that she a note she wrote.
That's the handwriting on the labels. Bad

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it happens. I have since released
an unedited version of the debris footage and

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the original labels and stuff is all
in my book that shows that that it's

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unaged and and obviously not a real
film. Yeah, but believe it or

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not, it's still not enough people. There's still people say it's yeah,

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it's still not enough. The labels
are from Rank Film Laboratories. They dated

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there. I mean, it's it's
unreal that I can deliver that. No

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one else has got it. It's
never been released before. Yeah, I

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mean there's still the thing that you're
you're a government men in black, and

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I guess you've got people helping you're
doing all this cover up. Yeah,

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because you can't recreate detail that's gone. If it's gone, if it's a

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white peak section and there's nothing in
it, you can't bring it back.

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And anyone that knows that knows that, and if you are an expert,

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they'll tell you. You know,
there's only limits to how much you can

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bring back. What you've got in
the film that I released is detail.

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I mean serious detail. You know, creases in clothes and wood grain and

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the table and stuff is just not
there. So but still believe it or

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not not enough? No, No, you pointed out several things that wouldn't

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happen about the break, the effits
that are you're wearing. You can see,

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yeah, going up and down in
the head, in the top of

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the head, which wouldn't happen in
a in a breathing in the apparatus equipment.

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Yeah, Yeah, and I also
pointed out that those suits don't exist

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anywhere else on the planet in you, yeah, only in my film.

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And what the chances of there being
so many things in my film that only

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appear in my like the autopsy table, like the suits. One of the

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big mistakes I made, of course, I didn't realize. We went to

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an auction. John and I went
to an auction in London, I think

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it was Wembley or something like that, and it was an HS auction.

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They were selling off old medical stuff, medical gear, and it was it

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was like an NHS kind of there
was where they sell off stuff when they

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when they're obsolete stuff, and H
and I bought a lot of stuff that

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wasn't necessarily datable or like test tubes, for example, they're just they've always

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been the same, you know,
within reason, and no one's ever said,

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oh, those test tubes are wrong, but the actually UK test tubes

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I bought from that auction with the
racks and all that sort of stuff.

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But I also bought the buns and
burner that I thought a bunch of burner

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is a bunch of burner been around
forever, But didn't, for the life

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of me realize that I used that. The to burner that I bought in

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this auction was a school issue nineteen
sixties school issue UK buns and burner and

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had a triangular base, remember this
year. Yeah, And and well I

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put it in the set and not
not one person in all the time said,

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hold on a minute, that buns
and burners are wrong, right,

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It's just it's just slipped through because
you know, how many experts do you

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know about buns and burners? You
know. Yeah, It wasn't until somebody

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said to me. A friend of
mine said to me, oh, they're

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like the ones we had at school. And I thought, what do you

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mean at school? You see,
we had those at school, the triangle

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ones that you had, the round
ones. Now that friend that talked to

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me, Barry was he's actually a
scientist. Now he works in a laboratory.

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He does, you know, the
do DNA testing and all this different

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stuff. So so he knows about
this stuff. And he said, well,

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mostly buns and burners are usually have
a round base, and some of

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them had hexagonal bases, but the
triangular ones are really rare. They're not

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no one, no one sees them
in you know. So I started to

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look into it, and I couldn't
find ones that eye for me, and

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then I realized that they weren't available
in America and there were sixties So that

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in itself is what is the sixties
English Buns and burner doing in a nineteen

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forty seven How I mean, I
can't actually remember that. Seeing that in

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the film was sell personally. How
clear is it in the film that you

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can see a triangle? Yeah,
yeah, it's in my book. Have

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a look in the book. It's
of course, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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it's very clear, very clear.
It's I mean the triangle as a

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triangle, you can see a triangle
as opposed to a circle. And I

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still got that buns and burner and
as a picture of me holding it.

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And now you can go looking for
one and you'll see you can't find one

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anywhere. They're very rare, right, So the idea of me finding one,

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you know, when I got it
was was I'm real, you know,

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but you know, it's just one
of those fluke situations that I got

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away with. And there was a
lot of that going on because because I'm

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I'm an amateur psychologist, I read
people. I'm as a magician, I

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read people very closely. I can't
help it. And you know, I

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can walk into a room and I
can say to you that person's a bit

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dodgy, right, and then maybe
maybe you're a little bit psychic as well.

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Then yeah, maybe maybe, But
I can I can do that.

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I do that a lot. And
the studio that I'm working at the moment

408
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in Greenford, I made this comment
the other day. I walked in and

409
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:52,000
there isn't a bad person in there. Everyone has got a fantastic vibe.

410
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,119
Every single person there is lovely right, And it's very rare because you walk

411
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,480
into a group, there's usually goes
that conflict's you know, and it's and

412
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:06,160
that's all it is. It's not
that that somebody's worth or you know,

413
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:13,759
a bad person, but there are
egos that get involved and competitive dynamics that

414
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,000
make a bad atmosphere. And there's
always you know, there's usually one person

415
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:24,200
two people that are looking after themselves, you know. But that's a fantastic

416
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,039
group of people. And I've got
that. I've got that. Is it

417
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,279
a gift? I don't know,
maybe training, it's maybe training, but

418
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:37,240
you know, I kind of know
very quickly, you know, if somebody

419
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:42,759
is bad or if they or if
they're not a bad person but have issues,

420
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,640
you know, because everyone's got something
going on, me included. You

421
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:52,039
know, there's always an agenda,
doesn't matter. If it's personal, doesn't

422
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,160
matter, if it's emotional, doesn't
matter, if it's financial, an agenda

423
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,200
as an agenda. And and we
all have those, you know, every

424
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,039
single one of us married couples have
them. You know, there's a hierarchy

425
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:07,159
that always is. You know,
people are always testing, you know,

426
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:13,719
authority, and and that's normal,
that's a natural thing. But when it

427
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:22,119
comes to when it comes to talking
to people who are saying they saw something

428
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,639
unusual that can't be proven, and
you have to take their word for it,

429
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,719
which is what we There's what we
do in the UFO community, isn't

430
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,199
it right? Right? We have
to listen to people because who knows if

431
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,559
they were abducted or not? Do
you know, you don't really know,

432
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,360
right and if you do, but
you do read a person though, like

433
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,280
you say, yeah, yeah,
some people give me oh yeah, okay

434
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,920
mate, But other people are so
believable that you think, well they're they're

435
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,559
so upright, and yeah, like
I can sell us for instance, you

436
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:55,960
know, yes, you can't not
love them right, the lovely, lovely

437
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,519
people. And they don't have an
agenda. They're not sitting there trying to

438
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:09,880
get rich. They're not sitting there
trying to they're genuinely scholars and they're genuinely

439
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,079
looking at every detail. They're not
they're not, they're not. They haven't

440
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:20,679
got a sieve that that keeps back
the juicy bits. You know. They're

441
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:25,239
investigators, they're they're true investigators.
But but you get people though, who

442
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,280
who are just just want to be
special, They just want to be part

443
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:37,440
of something. And sadly, the
UFO subject and the alien subject doesn't need

444
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,800
any qualifications, so you can call
yourself a upologist and suddenly you're you're in

445
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,079
the community, and who to tell
that you're lying or not? Okay?

446
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:52,360
And what I was, the point
I started to make was I've realized this

447
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,960
in my film. People want to
believe more than they want to disprove.

448
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,920
And and if they can, if
they can believe something that proves what they

449
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,519
want to believe, then it's a
religion. It's more, it becomes a

450
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:15,880
religion more than a scientific a scientific
thing. And I mean Philip Mantle's got

451
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:22,159
a very good balance on that because
Philip's quite cynical, but he's also an

452
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:28,719
open mind, right, so he
won't He's not easily fooled. But he

453
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,800
does listen and he looks at stuff
and he says, okay, well,

454
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,039
all right, I'm going to keep
an open mind telling me the story.

455
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,239
And eventually he sits back and says, okay, well, I can't think

456
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:44,079
of anything wrong with that. Doesn't
nothing jars that makes it? Me disprove

457
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:49,400
it, And suddenly he's now believing
something that's unbelievable. Right, But having

458
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,320
done the work. That's a difference, having done the work, and it's

459
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,199
it's so people people have looked at
my and they've said, yeah, there

460
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:05,920
you go, that's the evidence we
needed. There you are, that's proof.

461
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,719
That's proof, And then suddenly it's
not proof. But they can't afford

462
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,039
it not to be proof, so
they someone. When someone's believed for twenty

463
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,519
or twenty five years, I suppose
it's difficult to turn say okay, I

464
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:21,320
will take it in all that time, you know, yeah, which many

465
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,159
of us have ats to do that
over the years. I mean, if

466
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,079
you did believe it, then we
just had to accept oh okay, Well,

467
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,440
Spirits made a really good job a
fooling us all, you know,

468
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:36,599
but don't don't hate me for it. I'm asking people. Yeah, but

469
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:38,840
what I'm asking people is that don't
hate me for it because I didn't set

470
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,280
out to say ha ha, you're
all idiots. I didn't want to do

471
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,000
that. That was that. That's
exactly right, isn't it. I mean

472
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,760
I think you kind of even forgot
about the whole thing, didn't you have

473
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,599
more or less? Yeah? I
made I made a piece of sci fi.

474
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,280
I'm an artist and I'm a magician
by default, right, by default.

475
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:04,320
My my of entertainment is to fool
you, okay, And most people

476
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,440
I fool are delighted. So it's
very hard for me to come out of

477
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,639
that mode fool you and then not
have you upset, because when you're upset,

478
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,280
all of a sudden, I'm thinking, well, hold on, there

479
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,320
was just a bit of entertainment,
you know. I always intended to come

480
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,800
back and say, no, no, listen, don't believe everything you're told,

481
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,119
question everything, And this is this
is an example of how easily you

482
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:34,400
can be taken in. Okay,
So I'm in a way it's a public

483
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,320
service, but hasn't been received that
way. So and I'm going to say

484
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,239
something ridiculous. Now, this is
going to sound ridiculous, but you'll know

485
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,480
where I'm coming from. It's a
saving grace that I didn't make money from

486
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,719
it, Okay, And that sounds
crazy, right, because everybody wants to

487
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,679
make money. I would have loved
to make the money. But it's a

488
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:01,320
saving grace for me that I didn't
make money from it because people nobody can

489
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,199
say you lied to us and told
us it was real, and you made

490
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,639
them fortune out of it. Because
then, you know, when I say

491
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,880
to people, you know, when
I say what do you think about this?

492
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,159
I always say, follow the money. Follow the money, you'll find

493
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:20,039
the truth. Right, it's somewhere, somewhere, somebody's made money from this,

494
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,960
and that's the person you need to
be looking at, or the outfit

495
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,880
you need to be looking at.
And it's true about anything, right,

496
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,119
follow the money. So it's a
saving grace. I didn't make money from

497
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:37,440
it, but not that it was
fair, because if anybody should have made

498
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,440
money out of it, should have
been me and John absolutely so, sir,

499
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:45,159
you know in the queue Georgina next, you know, not Santilli.

500
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:52,800
Santilli did nothing, you know,
because even when when the money was put

501
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,039
up to make it, it wasn't
Santilli's money, it was it was folk

502
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,360
of the money. And when that
he ran out and we had to do

503
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,360
film it again, it was my
money. The film. Volker Spielberg isn't

504
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,159
he was the executive producer now with
the name Spielberg. He's not actually linked

505
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:17,039
to the Okay, that's the one
that yeah is. I don't know.

506
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,440
Rumor has it that Volca's dead.
I'm not sure if he's dead, but

507
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:27,239
I haven't spoken to him in many
years. And it basically he's a film

508
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:32,639
distributor, so he owns, or
used to own a large library of copyrights

509
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,719
and he would put them on DVD
and sell them around the world and regurgitate

510
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:44,880
them whenever a new a new format
came out. So so no, you

511
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,519
know, he's not an angel,
but Volca. Volca did exactly what anyone

512
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:52,440
would do. He saw a bit
of fun, an opportunity to be involved

513
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,719
in something unusual, and he saw
the mileage in the film in the future

514
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,199
right, but wasn't allowed to do
what he was going to do because Santilly

515
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,000
just took it. He just did
what he wanted and I don't even know

516
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,639
if Santilly gave Rolka his money back, I don't know. I mean so

517
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,840
going into the money aspects of it
now, it's all about race Sintilly.

518
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,800
Now, the title of this show
was called a Billion Dollar Photo, and

519
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,239
it's kind of the piece of film, isn't it. Yes, he was

520
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,679
trying to sell Yes, did he
ever sell it? No? He didn't

521
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,199
because I stopped the sale, right
you did? Yeah, yeah, I've

522
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:36,960
stopped the sale. What basically what
happened is he If you've heard about NFTs

523
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,760
or understand them, I don't know
too much about how an NFT works.

524
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,519
I honestly understand. I don't understand
why anybody would want to buy a digital

525
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:54,039
version of anything for silly money,
but it has been going on, so

526
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:00,639
I think what it is, and
I can be corrected, but I really

527
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:04,599
have tried hard to understand it.
But I think what it is is the

528
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:13,239
same blockchain technology that run bitcoin and
other digital currency, where you can track

529
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,039
it back to who owns it and
when they own it and all that sort

530
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:20,920
of stuff, so it's always got
a value and then it can't be interfered

531
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:29,559
with. They're using that same technology
chain technology for a digital image, which

532
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,079
then has a stamp that links it
to you. For example, So you

533
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:37,480
buy something for a million quid and
it's a digital image, and that digital

534
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:44,840
image belongs to you, and that's
your investment. That's what you've bought.

535
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,159
So you've bought that original piece of
art. But the bit I don't understand

536
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,280
is I can create a piece of
digital digital art, put it on the

537
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,559
Internet and you can just go and
copy it and use it if you wanted

538
00:42:55,639 --> 00:43:00,920
to, illegally in some cases.
But people do it, you know,

539
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:07,199
And and so why would you pay
a million quid for it? Say,

540
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,880
a lot of art? Well,
it's your sort of open seas on it.

541
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,840
It really was it on the internet. And you've never you've never even

542
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,559
I mean a lot of art.
What do you ever know where it came

543
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,880
from in the first place? Do
you? Yeah? It's hard to follow

544
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:21,039
who's who's been nicking your work?
It's hard to follow it. Right.

545
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,119
So I've got I've got lots of
artwork on on various T shirts and stuff

546
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:30,320
that I'm putting out now that that
I designed. And then I've suddenly seen

547
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,920
people I've got one, hey,
and it looks great on you. By

548
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,480
the way, yeah, so yeah, so it was it was a case

549
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:42,960
of other people claiming and say,
oh no, no, you know no,

550
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,679
that's that's you know, with any
copyright, you've got to look at

551
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,000
dates, okay, because if you
if somebody predates you, you have no

552
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:55,760
argument. If they had an example
of that artwork before you released it,

553
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,760
and you can't prove you had it
before them, they win because they predate

554
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:07,639
you. So a simple way of
copyrighting or protecting an idea is to put

555
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:14,320
it into an envelope, sign to
steal it down, sign your name over

556
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,800
the seals, and then cellotate over
the signatures and over the seals. So

557
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,639
if you if you remove the cellotape, it will take off the signature,

558
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,480
okay, so you know it hasn't
been tampered with and whatever you put inside.

559
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,880
But once you post that letter to
yourself, it will come back with

560
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,760
the date stamp on the stamp when
it was posted, okay, And then

561
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,679
that sets it in stone when that
idea was put into that envelope. So

562
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,159
if somebody then claims your idea,
you can go to court, take the

563
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:51,039
letter that's sealed and give it to
the judge who then can open it and

564
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,719
see that hasn't been tampered with.
They open it up and then whatever's inside

565
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:58,760
was put in there. The date
of the stamp that you post it to

566
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,880
yourself and it will give and it's
a great way of securing a copyright date

567
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,840
to you. Okay. It could
be a manuscript, that could be anything,

568
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,519
a book, right, it's an
easy way to establish what date you

569
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:14,480
owned it. So if I then, if I did that and you said

570
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,280
that's my design, and I said, well when did you design it,

571
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,239
and you say, you know,
three months after I posted it to myself

572
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:28,480
in court, I would win that
because I predate you, right, and

573
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:35,920
the same goes as everything else.
So it's it's proving the date. Now,

574
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:40,280
getting back to the Alien Autopsy,
no one predates me. Lots of

575
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:46,480
copycats who came in after I'd released
my film. So you know that this

576
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:53,119
scene in the Alien Autopsy when the
surgeon removes a black eye lens revealing the

577
00:45:53,159 --> 00:46:00,199
eye underneath, that is absolutely my
design, my idea, and it hasn't

578
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:08,559
appeared anywhere else before that date.
Okay. So there have been copycats people

579
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:15,199
that have done various Alien Autopsy takeoffs, and they've done the eye removal things

580
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,800
they've tried to replicate it, but
they've done it after me, so they

581
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,760
can never argue that it's theirs because
I predate them and I And that's one

582
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,519
of my go to things when somebody
says to me, well, you know,

583
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,239
how can you tell us it's real? And you know, how can

584
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:37,920
you? Because nobody's ever described the
alien in my film before nineteen ninety five

585
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:45,039
when I made it. Before that
aliens had thin necks, four fingers,

586
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:50,320
they were there were a specific description, right, that doesn't fit my alien.

587
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,280
My alien's got six fingers. It's
got a thick, stocky body with

588
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,320
a thick neck, right, So
it goes against what other people said before.

589
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,559
It is distinct be quite different from
a lot of descriptions. Yeah.

590
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:07,679
Yeah, it goes against everybody else's
eye witness reports. So so if it

591
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,559
hasn't occurred before I made it,
then the chances that I made it and

592
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:20,599
no one else is pretty high.
So so that's what that's what we're dealing

593
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:27,320
with with regards to NFTs. They
they established a block chain that proves the

594
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,360
ownership from a given time. Okay, so what's Antilly tried to do was

595
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:43,360
take a single frame from my nineteen
ninety five film and sell it as if

596
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:49,480
it's a genuine nineteen forty seven frame. But he's he was selling it as

597
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:55,159
an NFT, which is a digital
version of it, okay, for a

598
00:47:55,199 --> 00:48:01,360
million dollars. And then and he
was saying he will give the original frame

599
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:07,840
to the buyer. But it's super
clever apart from the fact that it's a

600
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,840
bit stupid, right, And I'll
tell you why it's clever and why it's

601
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,800
seriously stupid. The first thing,
it's clever because in order to date a

602
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:23,519
piece of film, you need three
frames minimum free frames to date it because

603
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:29,519
you've got to do different tests.
So one test that you need to do

604
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:35,960
is a visual test, which is
the edge markings on the frame. So

605
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:40,679
those edge markings don't happen on every
single frame, they will they happen sporadically

606
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,719
across a number of feet, Okay, So if you take a frame that

607
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,880
doesn't have edge markings on it,
that wouldn't be unusual. And that's exactly

608
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:58,960
What'santilli did. So now you can't
date it visually, okay, you can

609
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,960
date it by smell it, because
if you smell it, you can tell

610
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,159
a certain certain type of film will
have a vinegar smell you would have you'll

611
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,760
be able to establish what kind of
film it is and the window of opportunity

612
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,159
of making that film. Okay,
So that's that's not conclusive though to a

613
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:22,400
specific date, but a period.
The next thing you can do is you

614
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,440
can cut a hole out, stamp
a hole out of the frame, and

615
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,280
then look at the cross section of
the of the piece of film you've cut

616
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,760
and the makeup of the film.
You can see the layers, okay,

617
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,199
and the layers will tell you again
it will lower the possibility of what kind

618
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:45,440
of film it is, because all
films were made in different times, different

619
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,960
ways, in different times, so
that will tell you that it will narrow

620
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,280
down the window of manufacture okay.
And then another visual test that you can

621
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,639
do is by looking at the fog
in the film and if it's got a

622
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:06,920
milky, kind of white milky look
to it, it shows age, okay,

623
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:12,280
but it shows age of a film
that was exposed after it expired.

624
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,480
So if it was an old film
which was filmed in modern times, it

625
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:22,599
would have a very distinctive fogging look
over it. So there's lots and lots

626
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,239
and lots of things you can do, but you need a minimum of three

627
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:32,199
frames, and ideally one with edge
mark on it. By giving somebody a

628
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,440
single frame for a million dollars,
I promise you, David, no one

629
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,239
is going to put a hole in
it, right. No one is going

630
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,920
to do anything with it. They're
not going to put chemicals on it to

631
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,239
see how it dissolves or how it
bubbles, how it affects. They're not

632
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,760
going to do anything to it.
But put it in a nice frame,

633
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:59,400
okay, and exhibit it. So
that's clever just putting one single frame up

634
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:05,599
for a million dollars. That you
know that the likelihood of somebody testing it,

635
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,159
it's not going to happen. They're
they're not going to get a conclusive

636
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,960
anything from it. So they'll get
a few pointers, but there won't be

637
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:19,719
we're going to say it's definitely this
or definitely that. Where it's stupid is

638
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,519
that Santilli knows nothing about anything,
right, He just doesn't know. He

639
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:30,559
took my film, cut a frame
out, and he then put that up

640
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:37,840
for sale. But my film was
a nineteen ninety five Fuji negative film.

641
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,400
Okay, And I'll explain what that
means. You film, you shoot the

642
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,159
movie and it shoots a negative like
you used to do with your photographs,

643
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:50,960
used to send it off and you
get a negative back, don't you,

644
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,719
And then they print a positive on
paper. Well, in film, what

645
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,440
they would do is similar to that
they would print. They would they would

646
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:06,400
develop the negative, and then they
would run the negative through and make a

647
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,800
positive print of it. So now
the film that comes off that's positive,

648
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:15,039
that would be shown on a projector
is actually a copy from the original.

649
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:21,159
Right, So the copy could be
done ten years later. You can't date

650
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:27,599
from the copy, but you can
date from the original. The type of

651
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:32,199
film that was used in nineteen forty
seven by the military, and the kind

652
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:39,440
of camera that was used took a
film which was developed into a positive.

653
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,920
It didn't need to be transferred from
a negative to a positive. So the

654
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:51,639
positive was the camera, original camera, original material. So, mister Santilly,

655
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,440
how the hell have you got a
nineteen forty seven clip in negative?

656
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:02,920
That's why he's stupid? Yeah,
right, And why is he in jail?

657
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:06,960
That's what I'd like to know.
Well, you know what, you

658
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:14,280
know what he's done an awful lot
of bad things to me, But I've

659
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,039
been through an awful lot with him, his family. I know his family,

660
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:21,199
I know his son, I know
his ex wife. I think it's

661
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,360
a next wife. I'm not sure
if they're divorced. I'm not really in

662
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:28,400
touch with him anymore, but you
know I used to. I've taken when

663
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,840
his little boy, when he's his
boy's a big man now, but when

664
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,840
he was a little boy, I
took him and Maggie, his wife,

665
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,400
to the zoo, to to play
with tigers. To right. We did

666
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,639
a whole load of stuff together,
and we were close, you know.

667
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,559
So I don't want to see him
go to jail. I don't want to

668
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,800
see him suffer. I don't want
to see him hurting. But he did.

669
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,079
He's not he didn't do nice things
to me right, And I can't

670
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:58,199
ever be his friend again, and
I can't trust him again. But the

671
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:05,480
authorities eventually might take action because,
contrary to popular belief, the statute of

672
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:10,239
limitations doesn't doesn't stop. You know. Statute limitations is when if somebody does

673
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,760
something bad in business that isn't necessarily
for except for example, if you stole

674
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:22,960
my copyright and I didn't act on
it. For the limit that the statute

675
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:28,760
of limitations allows, I can't sue
you after that time because it's run out

676
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:35,840
of time. Okay, So he
maintains that the statute of limitations is run

677
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,840
out and therefore I could never sue
him if I wanted to. That's not

678
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:44,960
true, because if a fraud has
been committed, the statute of limitations doesn't

679
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:51,480
apply. It's open season forever because
there's a fraud involved, and there is

680
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:58,400
a fraud involved. Santilly registered my
film as a nineteen forty seven film with

681
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:06,079
the Library of Congress, and that's
fraud, right because my identical film is

682
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:09,719
also registered at the Library Congress in
my name as nineteen ninety five. And

683
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,719
as far as the Library of Congress
is concerned, it's two different films because

684
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,360
they don't care. They're not going
to look at the films, and they

685
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:22,119
they're not they're not proactive. They're
reactive, so they'll they'll register everything and

686
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:28,000
then if something happens that's not legit, then a court will tell them and

687
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,320
then they will react to that.
So they won't they're not proactive. They're

688
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:37,079
not interested in spending money to discover
something no one cares about. So so

689
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:43,960
Scantilli's film is in the Library of
Congress, registered as nineteen forty seven as

690
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:52,760
an anonymous cameraman, and the first
place it was broadcast apparently was Italy,

691
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,119
which is not obviously not this film, not my film, so he must

692
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,599
be talking about a different film.
But the one that is lodged is exactly

693
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:05,679
the same as my film. Every
single frame is identical. Right, So

694
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:10,360
so he's playing games. The best
I'm not allowed to wear on this I

695
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:19,480
can okay, okay, well the
best fuck you. I'll believe that's right.

696
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,159
That somebody ever, yeah, there's
somebody ever said to Santilly. Was

697
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:27,039
the BBC right, because they wanted
to make a little movie about me and

698
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:31,440
interview me, and Santilli sent a
sease and desister to BBC they're not allowed

699
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,639
to use the alien autopsy or he
will sue them. Right, So their

700
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,719
lawyers got in touch with me and
said what do we do? And I

701
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,840
said, well, I'll indemnify you. We'll just carry on. I'll indemnify

702
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,760
you and let him sue me.
Let him sue you, and you you

703
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:51,400
can sue me. Right. But
because because it's not real if I'd love

704
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,280
to see him in court, right, because in court he'd have to come

705
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,599
up with some evidence. Yeah,
right, and I think it's not going

706
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:00,119
to happen. And they said,
well, we won't than an indemnity for

707
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:05,519
you from you because he's calling it
a nineteen forty seventh film and we know

708
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,280
yours is a nineteen ninety five film, so it's not a problem. So

709
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:13,440
they wrote back to Santilly and they
said, demos Antilli, please rest assured,

710
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:19,400
we have no intentions of using any
of your nineteen forty seventh film.

711
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:22,159
M well yeah, and we still
we still use my film, right,

712
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:27,480
And Santilly did nothing about it because
he couldn't know. But that was the

713
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:31,719
ultimate call your bluff, right,
what you're going to do. So they

714
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,280
knew that he hasn't got a nineteen
forty seventh film because if he had had

715
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,920
a nineteen forty seventh film, let's
be honest, okay, And I talked

716
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,679
about this in my book. There
is there is in my film. There

717
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:50,800
was twenty four frames a second.
Okay. That was the old fashioned frame

718
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,840
rate. Today we have thirty frames. We can even do sixty frames a

719
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,760
second, right, But then days
back in back in the sixteen millimeter film

720
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:06,400
era and using you know, Bell
and Howell Filmo cameras twenty four frames as

721
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:13,400
good as it got. So,
but that's twenty four individual frames per second.

722
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:19,320
Okay, So even if he had
one seconds worth of film, twenty

723
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:24,199
four frames, if one is going
for a million quid, how much is

724
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:30,920
twenty four worth. Well, let's
put it in perspective. Okay, if

725
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,960
you cut three of those off and
give them to a lab and have the

726
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:39,519
lab test it, they will come
back and tell everybody. Yet it's genuinely

727
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:45,480
a nineteen forty seven film, no
questions. And now that piece of film

728
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:51,719
is priceless. It's not worth a
million, it's worth billions. It's priceless.

729
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,440
It's evidence of aliens. But he
didn't do it. He hasn't done

730
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,960
it in thirty years. He's not
had a single frame tested in thirty years.

731
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:06,960
Okay, where if he had done, the value goes up astronomically.

732
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:12,559
So that's the big question. Why
hasn't he had one, you know,

733
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:16,960
just three frames? Now he's told
people that the film was confiscated by the

734
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:22,159
military, by the US military or
the CIA or the FBI or the Men

735
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:27,280
in Black or Father Christmas or whoever
you want. Right, no one confiscated

736
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,840
any film. Right. He keeps
showing people film and he's done it.

737
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,599
Very recently. He showed film Mantle
apparently showed him, look, I've got

738
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:38,639
real film, and Philip said,
let's get it tested, and yeah,

739
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:44,519
yeah, we'll get it tested.
Hasn't happened. Do you remember the name

740
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:54,079
of the paramnormal lawyer, the American
Chappie Oh god, okay, yeah,

741
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:57,920
no, I don't tip of my
son, the tip of my tongue.

742
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:04,000
He does. He does podcast in
America and he calls himself the paramounormal,

743
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,800
the paranormal lawyer. He's a lawyer
by trade. He did a podcast with

744
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:16,760
who was it? It was a
couple of other other guys. You remember,

745
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:23,360
you remember a while ago the apparently
a doctor from the CIA said that

746
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:30,039
the AA, the alien autopsy was
real and yes, oh yeah, yeah

747
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,519
yeah. So Richard Dolan was on
this this podcast with this lawyer and so

748
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,000
was Santilly and they were talking about
this movie and about this film, about

749
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:44,039
how how it's real and it's genuine
and it's here's the evidence now and it's

750
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:47,280
all right. So I called the
guy up and I said to him,

751
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:53,119
look, if it's genuine, right, why won't Santilly allow us to have

752
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:58,280
it dated? Right? That would
be the ultimate thing, wouldn't it,

753
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,760
Because we've got CIA, a guy
from the CIA, doctor from the CIA,

754
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,760
saying that he saw it, but
no one's actually heard him say that.

755
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,199
Big Green, Yeah, doctor Kit
Green, Yeah yeah, the Kit

756
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,679
Green was the guy from the CIA. Right. Well, Kit Green has

757
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:16,039
since said he was duped. It's
not real. He hasn't seen it.

758
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:20,280
It was basically was told it was
real and it was duped, right,

759
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,400
so he fell for it like everyone
else, but he's he didn't say,

760
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,960
oh, yes, it's definitely real
when I saw it in the CIA and

761
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,079
all this stuff. He didn't say
all that. So when he came out

762
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:35,960
and said what he said, it's
he was duped. He was shown it,

763
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:39,800
told it was real, and he
believed it. So it's not evidence

764
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,960
that it's real, although it was
positioned as such. It was a smoking

765
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,880
gun, wasn't it. It was
all of a sudden, It's like Richard

766
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,039
Dogan all over it, and you
know, and it was charging money for

767
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,239
people to go on this show to
talk at me. It was just made

768
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:53,719
a lot of money from it.
Of course, follow the money, follow

769
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:01,719
the money. So but this this
guy, this par paranormal investigator, and

770
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:07,159
I've cart for a life and remember
his name. Now I'm actually giving through

771
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:08,440
your book here, I'm trying to
look forward. Is it must be in

772
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,719
the book's somewhere. I'm not sure. If it's in the book, he'll

773
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,599
be on Facebook. Shall we do
a quick little search, see if we

774
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:27,960
can find him on Facebook. I'm
just going to put paranormal paranormal investigator if

775
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,280
he's still going by that name.
Oh no, not investigator. He was

776
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:42,119
a paranormal lawyer, not investigator.
Lawyer lord. Yeah, okay, nothing's

777
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:50,360
coming up. No, he's not
coming up. Oh here, here is

778
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,719
here he is? Okay? Got
him? Uh? Inside out of Limits

779
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,960
radio show? Now he was on
Inside out of Limits radio show? Michael

780
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:07,360
W. Hall. Yes, okay, Now, Michael W. Hall did

781
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:15,159
a show with all the usual suspects, includings antilli and I had him.

782
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:16,559
I had. I went on his
show, talked, talked to him about

783
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:21,519
it and everything, and I actually
asked him a very straightforward question and I

784
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:24,880
said, now, this is three
years ago, okay, maybe four years

785
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:34,599
ago. And I said to him, mister Hall, Santillius promised to give

786
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:38,079
you film so you can test it. Yes he has, Okay, how

787
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:43,920
long will you allow before you call
bullshit? Is it? What do you

788
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:49,559
mean? I said, well,
he's been offering film since before nineteen ninety

789
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,159
five, before it was even a
film. He was telling people he had

790
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:55,639
film. He told Philip Mantle he
had the alien autopsy before I ever made

791
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:59,280
it right, and it was it
was a bit of a film, bit

792
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,960
of video that they had. Will
be nothing to do with my film.

793
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,880
And I said to him, and
they've been promising film all these years and

794
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:13,280
he's not delivered any So at what
point will you, as a lawyer say

795
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:16,800
enough? Now? At what point
will you cut it off and say this

796
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,000
is nonsense? He says, well, let's give him a chance. Let's

797
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,000
give him a chance to I said, okay, no, no, I'm

798
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:26,000
happy with that. So shall we
say six months? Is six months enough

799
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:29,719
time for him to give you some
real film for you to test it and

800
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,039
tell us it's real? He said, well it should be. I said,

801
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:34,440
well, let's not say six months. Let's say a year. Should

802
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,360
we give him a whole year?
Is that fair? Let's put it on

803
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,440
let's put it on record right that
we're going to give him this amount of

804
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,679
time and after that you're going to
agree with me that he's full of the

805
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:50,840
horrible stuff, you know what,
Yeah, yeah, the horrible stuff.

806
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:56,760
So so he said, he said, yeah, okay, that's fair enough.

807
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,719
But I don't want to put a
time limit on it. He said,

808
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,440
you know, he'll he'll come up
with in his own good time.

809
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:04,679
I said, but do you see
how unreasonable that is. If you don't

810
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:08,599
put a limit on it, he
has no deadline. He can just not

811
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:13,280
do it, and you will always
still give him the credit benefit of the

812
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,280
doubt that he's got real film,
because you're doing that now. You're saying

813
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:23,159
that he's got the benefit of the
doubt that maybe he's got genuine nineteen forty

814
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:28,280
seven alien autopsy film, aren't you. That's what you've said on your show.

815
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:32,159
So until you see evidence to the
contrary, you can't say he hasn't

816
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:36,719
got it. That's what you're saying. But surely there must be a cutoff

817
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:44,880
time that makes this logically reasonable for
you to say, if he had genuine

818
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,800
footage, I would have seen it
by now. Is that fair? And

819
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,960
he said, well, y'all,
hear what you're saying. He was skirting

820
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:57,599
around the issue, right, But
because because let's face it, right,

821
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:02,639
let's face it, my store read
doesn't sell as well as I've got genuine

822
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:10,400
film. Right, I've got genuine
film is a much better story than it

823
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,199
isn't genuine? Yeah, I know
it's fake, yes, yes, okay.

824
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:18,159
So if in his interests to keep
the people clicking on his stuff,

825
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,760
he wants it to be real,
and he wants to be able to leave

826
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,760
it as open as possible for as
long as possible so that he can carry

827
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,199
on getting the clicks right. And
I'm not saying that he's a dishonest or

828
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:40,199
unscrupulous person. I'm just saying that
needs must right. If you want to

829
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:44,599
build a channel and you want lots
of viewers that come to your channel,

830
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,480
do you want that exclusive? You
want to get that big thing that everyone's

831
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:53,679
going to go looking for. Right? So anyway, so I said to

832
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:55,840
say him, look, I'm going
to leave it with you like this.

833
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,840
If he hasn't come back to you
within a year with genuine film, I'm

834
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,000
calling him out. And I'm saying
he hasn't got any otherwise he would have

835
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:08,360
delivered it. Is that fair?
Well? Yeah, well let's give him

836
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,599
a chance. Let's give it.
You're not committing. You need to say

837
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:14,320
to me, Yeah, that's fair. Now what you know, I want

838
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,079
to I don't want to do.
That's what he was doing the whole time.

839
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,320
So here we are, three or
four years later, still no film.

840
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:26,000
No one's called him out on it, the people that made those programs

841
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:29,679
back then saying, oh, yes, it's real, definitely real. There's

842
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:33,719
a CIA agent that's abba. But
all that stuff has gone away. But

843
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:38,880
on record, when you go searching
on the internet, what you do is

844
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,000
you see these guys saying, well, yeah, we've got santillion, he's

845
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:45,480
got that, we've got real film, and it's all genuine. It's definitely

846
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,400
a good four years ago. And
it's because yes it is, Yeah it

847
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,400
is. Yeah. So so if
you're listening to this, mister Hall,

848
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:57,159
hello, by the way, I
haven't spoken to you for a long time,

849
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,320
but if you are listening to this, I'll tell you what, Yeah,

850
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,960
what happened? Have you? Have
you done that testing? Have you?

851
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:05,079
Are you going to call are you
going to call Sentilli out? Or

852
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:08,639
are you going to just leave it? Because have you moved on to other

853
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:13,599
things? Because I haven't. I'm
still being told it's real, right,

854
01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:16,079
And I think you've got a duty. You've got a duty to do the

855
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:20,960
right thing and say, well,
we've waited four years and he hasn't delivered

856
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:26,119
any film. I think that's fair. Yeah, what do you do You're

857
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:30,159
gonna wait for ten years? Yeah, that's right. What we've we've waited

858
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:33,279
thirty years. It's not you know, we've done that. We've already waited.

859
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,359
Yeah, and he hasn't got any
you know, if he has it,

860
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,720
if he had it, he would
have. But he's telling people he

861
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,039
has got it. He's selling he's
trying to sell it for a million dollars.

862
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,720
So how either you've got it or
you haven't. Right, if you've

863
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,159
got it, get it tested.
If you haven't got it, then you

864
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:54,720
haven't got it. But stick your
story. That's probably, you know,

865
01:08:54,760 --> 01:09:02,239
that's that's that's sensible. Have you
heard of a a fact checker outfit called

866
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:06,640
Snokes, Yes, okay, one
of the bigger ones, aren't they?

867
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:14,079
Yeah, they did. They did
a review recently on the alien autopsy,

868
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,319
and I was sent I was sent
a clip of what they've written about it.

869
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,960
So somebody said, is it real? Is it fake? Is it

870
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:25,359
true? What is it right?
So their job is to say, we've

871
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,800
done our checks and this is fake
or this is news or this is fake

872
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,760
news. Right, this is what
their job is. I wrote to her

873
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:38,439
today, the lady who wrote the
sing I wrote to her to the article,

874
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,680
and I said to her, you
owe your audience and more important than

875
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:48,479
me to do to do your job. All you've done is gone on the

876
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:54,760
internet and you've copied sent Tiller's story
and you've gone back and said, no,

877
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,840
the story is not true, it's
a fake film. However, stand

878
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,000
he maintains that he's got a real
film that it was made from, right,

879
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:10,720
and he hasn't. Right. You
haven't mentioned my name anywhere in the

880
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,800
article as the person who's made it, but you have included a clip of

881
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,359
my film from YouTube with my copyright
and my name written all over it.

882
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:27,119
So why have you omitted my name
from your article? Right? And I

883
01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:30,239
explained that there are people that believe
it's real, and they believe that I'm

884
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:36,720
nothing to do with it, and
your story is basically confirming I'm not involved,

885
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,600
because you've not involved me, And
I said, I don't want to

886
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,039
cause you any problems. Obviously an
oversight. You've used my footage with my

887
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:50,720
name and my copyright on your article, so clearly you know I'm there,

888
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:56,000
So I need you to please explain
why you haven't mentioned me. You've mentioned

889
01:10:56,039 --> 01:11:00,359
John Humphris, you've mentioned Sentilly,
Please please, so why you haven't mentioned

890
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:06,600
me? And because it looks like
it's something commissioned by Santilli, right,

891
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,640
And if it is something that's commissioned
by Santilli, well then I want to

892
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:15,279
expose that because Snopes it's a reliable
it's supposed to be a reliable source of

893
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:20,439
truth, and I kind of think
it isn't. I'm looking at this now

894
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,880
and I'm thinking, well, when
you when you mentioned Snopes, I have

895
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:30,800
heard some different opinions about that sometimes, so I'm not sure they're always as

896
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:36,079
accurate as portrayed. That's all I'm
going to sell on that. Well,

897
01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:41,520
yeah, there's always there's always an
element of people can make mistakes, right,

898
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,960
that's human, that's a human prerogative. We make mistakes by default,

899
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:49,880
but we should correct our mistakes when
we know we've made a mistake, right

900
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:56,000
and yet affect somebody else, they
should correct their mistakes. For example,

901
01:11:56,359 --> 01:12:00,239
I'm in negotiations at the moment with
one of the age of broadcasters of the

902
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:04,800
world, and I'm I'm making a
couple of projects with them that will be

903
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:11,520
announced soon. But they are reading
on the internet and I'm they're coming back

904
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,560
to me on a daily basis,
Oh, you know you said that you

905
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,840
did this, Well, this guy
reckons it's real. And then you're not

906
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,720
even involved, right, You're not
even involved, So we don't want to

907
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,359
be getting involved with you if you're
not real, right. And I said,

908
01:12:24,359 --> 01:12:26,720
well, I've given you everything i've
got and you can see I'm real.

909
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,600
Yeah, But they're saying that this, and they're saying that, and

910
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,279
I'm saying, okay, well let
me show you why that's wrong. Now

911
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:38,560
I'm having to work twice as hard
to prove I'm real, right because I'm

912
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,960
apparently some some stooge that they put
up. You know, somebody the other

913
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:47,279
days said, I my name is
not really Spirits Malaris, right on my

914
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:55,880
own web on my own Facebook group, and I've redacted the numbers and things

915
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,239
on my passport, but I sent
my passport page and I said, there

916
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,399
you go, there's my picture,
there's my name. What you're what you're

917
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,680
talking about? Right? I am
me. You know there's no question that.

918
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,239
I mean, you know, I
go back a long way. I

919
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:14,199
haven't come from nowhere, right,
And but they're still doing it, you

920
01:13:14,199 --> 01:13:19,560
know, and right, they're still
talking nonsense. And so so here's what

921
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:27,239
I'm saying. Right, I'm about
to do a big project with a big

922
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:31,439
outfit who has taken a chance on
me. Because this is very controversial.

923
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,199
They're going to have all sorts of
threats from Santilli because we're telling the truth,

924
01:13:36,359 --> 01:13:40,119
right, and it exposes him.
And you're saying, well, what

925
01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:43,399
hasn't hasn't the law done something about
it? Well, you know what they

926
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,600
might if they if they once this
comes out and they see what's gone on,

927
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,319
who knows what happens after that.
Santilli has got every reason to attack

928
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:57,680
me and make sure that I'm squashed
and kept low, and and he's done

929
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,520
that quite well for quite a while. But I'm not going away. You've

930
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,560
heard me say this before, right. I hired from no Man, right,

931
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,560
and I answered questions and I answered
him full. So if you want

932
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:14,399
a question, come to my Facebook
group Alien Autopsy fat Files. Ask me

933
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,600
whatever you want and I'll deliver evidence. Not only tell you why, I'll

934
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:23,800
tell you where or how. Okay, but that's not enough that I'm still

935
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:30,000
some CIA agent or man in black
and they're making all your fake passports and

936
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:31,560
all that sort of stuff. Yeah
yeah, so come on, you know,

937
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:38,640
so here's the thing, right,
I'm worried now that people that are

938
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:43,119
the producers that are now looking into
the story and they're doing research, and

939
01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:46,079
they're writing scripts, and they're doing
all sorts of stuff, spending a fortune

940
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:53,880
making feature feature film and the six
part series, who might come back to

941
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,960
me and say, because I've had
to go to them, I don't like

942
01:14:57,079 --> 01:14:59,800
people finding things out. As soon
as I see something, I'll go straight

943
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,039
to the and say, look,
I just found this, I've written this

944
01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:05,439
letter. It's not real, and
I you know, I'm very proactive and

945
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:10,760
go straight out for the jugular.
But they imagine if they go and they

946
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,359
find Nopes have done a report and
then they've they've completely omitted to mention my

947
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,439
name. Yeah right, that stinks. It stinks to high heaven. And

948
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:25,239
I would be well within my rights
to south nopes, right if I lost

949
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:29,840
this deal in the back of them
telling people this is the truth. Right

950
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:34,239
as Nopes who position themselves as a
truth tellers, right, well, then

951
01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:36,479
they need to they need to understand
they've got to do the truth. They've

952
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,960
got to do the right thing.
So I'm hoping. I'm hoping I haven't

953
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,760
threatened her. I haven't said listen, I said, I don't want this

954
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,239
to become problematic for either of us, so we can nip it in the

955
01:15:48,279 --> 01:15:51,119
bug. Now. I can see
that you've probably made an omission, You've

956
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:55,920
made a mistake, You've done something's
not quite right here. It doesn't take

957
01:15:56,079 --> 01:16:00,800
much to correct it, Okay,
So here's the evidence you need from me.

958
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:03,199
I'm available for you. If you
want to talk to me, please

959
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:09,319
correct list immediately. So let's see
if she what she does, how long

960
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:13,800
it takes her to reply, and
if she does anything. But this is

961
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,279
what I'm dealing with, and this
is this is today, fifteenth of the

962
01:16:16,319 --> 01:16:20,359
eight twenty three, right, So
is it ever going to go away?

963
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:30,960
Well? Metal is right? Yeah, I mean, well, yeah,

964
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,319
told you. I know you've told
me quitely on the in the past,

965
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,760
but yeah, I've actually just mentioned
it. But I've always said this would

966
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:41,279
make a fantastic feature film, and
for that to be ruined on the back

967
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:44,800
of that would be a really great
thing. I don't think it will be

968
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:50,199
ruined because, oh I'm hoping not. Because the people that are involved are

969
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:59,680
big fans and they they they've ridden
with the wave because lots lots of things

970
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,680
happen. And you know when when
you've got pete snipers, you've got people

971
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:08,960
trying to stop stuff, and you
know, lots of things happen and and

972
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,560
they're still there. They're still there. They're still rocking and rolling and it's

973
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,960
going to happen. But but you
know, it doesn't take much for you,

974
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,720
don't know, if you've got people
sitting on the fence that the money,

975
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,000
people that are saying, well,
okay, we're not sure about this,

976
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:25,319
but if you say so, all
right, we'll go with it.

977
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,720
And then eventually somebody at the top
says this is too much, So I

978
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,840
don't want to risk it. Yeah, because I have to ensure a film,

979
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:38,199
don't They to make sure that they're
putting out are true as far as

980
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:42,279
they know the story. Yeah,
and they've also got to they've also got

981
01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:45,960
to say when something is not real, and they've got to cover themselves and

982
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:50,279
say, see, in this particular
instance, the characters that are portrayed a

983
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:56,079
genuine people. Yeah, you've heard
it before when people have done that,

984
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,680
but they've said the characters don't if
everyone's then when anybody is by pure coming

985
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,520
to them. That's why they have
to make these things on feature films,

986
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:08,079
don't they to protect the innocent or
something? The usually yeah, yeah,

987
01:18:08,199 --> 01:18:13,199
different names or whatever and then cover
themselves. Right, But I'm actually using

988
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:17,640
the real names. I'm telling it
as it is. It's real, right,

989
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,399
I'm not hiding from it. I
told you I don't hide from no

990
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:27,680
man. And I'm I sign away
indemnities which say that in the event that

991
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,319
this comes on top and I was
lying and I was wrong, I lose

992
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:33,359
everything. I lose what are they
going to give me? And I lose

993
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:39,840
what I've got, right, So
I'm happy to do that because I'm telling

994
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,399
the truth. Yeah, well,
I know, I mean, I know,

995
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,960
I know you're I know you're willing
to answer anybody any questions. And

996
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,119
I've never seen you sort of back
down from a question. No, no,

997
01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:54,039
And I you know what, And
I also say, because it is

998
01:18:54,079 --> 01:18:58,039
something I learned a long time ago, right, I also say if I

999
01:18:58,039 --> 01:19:01,039
don't know, I say I don't
know, right, I don't try and

1000
01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:04,000
bullshit and bluff it. I just
don't know. I don't know. I

1001
01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:10,239
just say it, right, So
because I don't know everything I do,

1002
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,079
you know, and it's it's a
long time ago. And if somebody said

1003
01:19:13,079 --> 01:19:16,520
to me, like this guy Michael
Hall, right, at one point I

1004
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,199
knew his name. I was talking
to him every day, right, I

1005
01:19:19,279 --> 01:19:24,800
genuinely forgot his name, genuinely,
right. It doesn't mean I don't know

1006
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,159
him, doesn't mean to say we
haven't spoken, doesn't mean none of that.

1007
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:32,319
It just means I'm older and I'm
not remembering. Yeah, I'm just

1008
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:38,159
not the same person. One of
the things I discovered that that depressed me

1009
01:19:38,279 --> 01:19:42,319
quite a lot recently. And when
I said depressed me, not clinically,

1010
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:47,039
I'm being You're not suicide, you
know, I'm being I'm being lighthearted when

1011
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:49,439
I'm saying that, I'm just saying, you know, it comes to us

1012
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:57,319
all. But in nineteen ninety five, I created the whole set of the

1013
01:19:57,359 --> 01:20:00,800
Aleen Autopsy on my own. And
what that means means is I laid down

1014
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,159
a wall on the floor, I
built the frame, screwed it all together,

1015
01:20:06,039 --> 01:20:10,640
put the thyboard in front, and
screwed that on, and then I

1016
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:15,199
lifted the whole thing up on my
own right, and then I secured it

1017
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:18,279
to the wall whilst holding it with
my left arm, securing it with my

1018
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:23,319
right arm. And it was heavy, right, It's not like a little

1019
01:20:23,359 --> 01:20:26,239
bit of you know, and it's
a big piece of thing to hold.

1020
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,119
It's a two man job, but
there wasn't two people, so I was

1021
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,920
I was doing an awful lot of
lifting and stuff on my own. I've

1022
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,000
done that in the past. You're
surprising where you find the strength, isn't

1023
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:41,279
it. Yeah? Yeah, but
today I question whether or not I've got

1024
01:20:41,359 --> 01:20:45,680
that stamina to kneel down, get
up, kneel down together. I couldn't

1025
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,720
do things I could do a few
years ago. Yeah. So, so

1026
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:55,079
I've got to recreate the alien autopsy
for two for the film and for the

1027
01:20:55,119 --> 01:21:00,880
six part series, the six part
series. Sorry sorry, sorry, the

1028
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:04,439
six part series a different program.
There's there's a two part series where I'm

1029
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:12,079
recreating. They're all connected, but
the I'm recreating everything from scratch. So

1030
01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:16,399
you actually see me build the set
exactly how I did it. I build

1031
01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:20,399
the autopsy table, I build all
the bits of tables and bits of pieces

1032
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:26,000
everything around. You actually watched me
do it. And we've got we've got

1033
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:30,840
stop frame animation filming going on.
So the whole thing happens very quickly.

1034
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,920
When you're watching it, you're not
having to sit through days of video,

1035
01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:36,439
but you can actually see that it's
me doing it, and doing it really

1036
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:45,079
quickly, with me talking and between
showing the detail of how things happened and

1037
01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:47,199
how things worked and what I did
and how I didn't do it. So

1038
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:55,960
all of that. I've got to
do it again, and I've realized that,

1039
01:21:56,079 --> 01:21:59,039
do you know what it's going to
be. It's going to be a

1040
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,159
quite a quite a strain on me
to do it. I'm going to do

1041
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,960
it, though, but it's going
to be quite a strain because I'm not

1042
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,680
the same young man I was that
back then. Yeah, I mean as

1043
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,279
far as that wall, you said, I can't they do that with bolst

1044
01:22:12,279 --> 01:22:14,920
of wood or something? Make it? We know what's going to happen.

1045
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:17,680
Are you gonna Are you gonna do
it? For real? Completely? What

1046
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,359
I'm going to do. I'm going
to I'm going to have help, but

1047
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:27,680
I'm going to I'm going to do
I'm going to do the whole thing too,

1048
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,399
exactly how I did it, and
when I need somebody to help me

1049
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:34,199
lift something up, I'm going to
just no, not not ashamed to you

1050
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:38,920
know I'm a bit older. Now, Yeah, yeah, that's it's not

1051
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:43,279
it's not the big deal. But
but it's a case of it's a case

1052
01:22:43,359 --> 01:22:48,199
of I'm going to build it,
and the autopsy table is it's quite a

1053
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:51,439
precise thing to build, and when
I when I do it, you'll see

1054
01:22:53,279 --> 01:22:56,159
you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. I did. I did actually show

1055
01:22:56,159 --> 01:23:00,760
the plans in my book and how
I made it, but it's different to

1056
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,479
see it to actually see it happening. And the same with all the all

1057
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:12,640
the bits of bits of stuff from
the debris footage and the tent that I

1058
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,840
built there and all that stuff.
I'm going to rebuild the whole lot for

1059
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:21,159
this, and then we're going to
culminate with a finished autopsy room with all

1060
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:25,880
the kit in it. And then
we're going to use that set for the

1061
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:30,520
movie brilliant, because it's going to
be I've got to create it for the

1062
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,920
movie anyway. So but the difference
in the movie will be that there will

1063
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:40,840
be actors playing the roles of me, John and Georgina in a movie.

1064
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,399
So that's a different thing. And
when people say, oh, yeah,

1065
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,720
well I could have done that,
I could have made that. You know

1066
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,960
I could have done. Yeah,
you could you know what anyone could have

1067
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,479
done what we did if there wasn't
a necessity for it to be secret,

1068
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,439
right, because you can go and
buy a clock and I tell phone,

1069
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:05,920
and you can buy stuff and get
stuff and make stuff and it doesn't matter

1070
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:11,239
who sees you doing it because it
doesn't have to be secret. But when

1071
01:24:11,239 --> 01:24:17,880
it's secret, if you buy a
nineteen forty six clock from America and it

1072
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:23,720
comes to your address and it's all
traceable, right, so suddenly an alien

1073
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,000
autopsy comes out and it's got a
clock in it, somebody somewhere is going

1074
01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:29,319
to say, oh, yeah,
I thought a clock like that to this

1075
01:24:29,359 --> 01:24:33,560
guy called spiro Us, right,
and you're you're done right. So if

1076
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:39,640
you have to do what we did
in secrecy, total secrecy, now it

1077
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:44,640
becomes impossible because where do you do
it without anyone seeing, without prying eyes?

1078
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:51,439
You know, where do you create
an alien when people can't see see?

1079
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,479
When John, when John created the
alien, what he did was he

1080
01:24:55,680 --> 01:25:00,359
cast his son, Michael. He
was ten years old at the time.

1081
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:04,439
But the family is quite tall.
That his wife's side of the family quite

1082
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:10,159
tall, So the twins are at
five foot so he used Michael as the

1083
01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:15,720
basis, so he made a plaster
cast of Michael's body. Then what he

1084
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,479
did was because it didn't have a
head on it, okay, or the

1085
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:25,039
feet, because John's going to sculpt
new feet and a new head and new

1086
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:29,720
hands, so he's got He then
had a basis to start with, which

1087
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:33,600
was a body, a human body, which was smaller than the body that

1088
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:39,199
he's going to create. So he
can add clay to that plaster to make

1089
01:25:39,239 --> 01:25:43,600
it bigger, right, so to
define the new alien that's it's going to

1090
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:48,840
become. So used he used his
son's body to make the plaster cast.

1091
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:56,199
But when he did that at a
studio called Murphy's, which is it's a

1092
01:25:56,279 --> 01:26:00,479
studio where where people where artists work
in film special effects. But John didn't

1093
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,279
give anything away because there was no
head, no hands, no feet.

1094
01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:09,680
All they saw was a little boy's
body, and he was sculpting a more

1095
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:15,159
muscular body on top of the plaster
little boy's body. So anyone that saw

1096
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:20,079
that didn't have a clue this was
going to be an alien. I didn't

1097
01:26:20,079 --> 01:26:27,039
have a clue. So that John
then brought that whole thing to Georgina's house

1098
01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:30,319
when it was ready to start fine
tuning it, and we lifted it and

1099
01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:34,239
brought it in a van to Georgina's
house, put it out in the back,

1100
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:40,399
and then John sculpted the head and
the hands and everything in Georgina's house,

1101
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:45,359
again away from prying eyes. So
if you had to do that somebody

1102
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:51,359
somewhere, we'll see it. You
do it in private. Yeah, And

1103
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,239
you know, so when people say
to me, oh, yeah, well

1104
01:26:55,279 --> 01:26:59,840
we could, we could have done
that, they really forget about They think

1105
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:03,359
they're talking about the alien body.
They're not talking about the film. Because

1106
01:27:03,359 --> 01:27:06,199
the minute you try and make that
film, you've got to now build that

1107
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:12,319
room. And that's it's not just
the body, it's it's the room it's

1108
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,600
in, it's all the things in
the room, and it's the people that

1109
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:20,000
are then go into that room to
do the autopsy. When you put it

1110
01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:25,640
all together, becomes enormous, it
becomes it's not as easy as it first

1111
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:30,800
seems. And I did a documentary, a spoof documentary that people didn't realize

1112
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,600
it was spoof when I did what
I made it, because obviously the film

1113
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:40,119
that the film was it was called
Roswell. The investigation continues and there's a

1114
01:27:40,119 --> 01:27:42,960
copy of it on YouTube if anybody
wants to go and see it on my

1115
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:50,439
channel a Spiro spizz And on that
documentary, I visited a guy called Bob

1116
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:59,079
Keane at Pinewood who said that he
could recreate it. So I've got a

1117
01:27:59,119 --> 01:28:04,640
promissory note from Hong Kong TV channel
who said they will give a million dollars

1118
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:09,840
to anybody who can recreate it.
So I went along and I said,

1119
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,039
look, we've got a million dollars
for you if you can recreate it.

1120
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:15,479
He said, yeah, yeah,
I can do it easily. I said,

1121
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,159
okay, well here are here are
the rules. Right, you have

1122
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:25,920
to recreate it in complete secrecy.
Nobody must know that you created it,

1123
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:29,640
so nobody can say, oh,
yeah, I was there, I saw

1124
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,680
it and it's fake. And he
said, oh, I didn't realize that.

1125
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,840
I said, so if you're going
to hire anything, people will know

1126
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:42,079
you're hiring something that you're going to
later film and say it was nineteen forty

1127
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:45,600
seven. If you're going to create
a body and you're going to you're going

1128
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,479
to get kited equipment. Everything's got
to be dated exact. It can't just

1129
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:55,520
be any old clock, any old
telephone, because an expert will say that's

1130
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,960
a modern telephone, so it has
to be exacting, and you've got to

1131
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,399
do it in secret. You know, you're there plenty of that, having

1132
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:04,399
your people pointing out. Yeah.
So he then said, oh, I

1133
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,680
didn't realize that. I don't.
Well, that makes it a bit more

1134
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:11,680
difficult, I said. And at
the end, you've got to then portray

1135
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,920
as nineteen forty seventh film. And
he went, oh, oh, I

1136
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:17,880
don't know if I can do that. Maybe I'll love to see if I

1137
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,399
can source it and if I can
do this, and I can do that

1138
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:24,199
right. And in the end he
had to turn down a million dollars because

1139
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:29,039
he couldn't make it. And this
is a guy that is working at point

1140
01:29:29,119 --> 01:29:34,039
Wood in movies who said he can
make it right because he didn't understand the

1141
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:40,039
enormity of what we actually did.
We didn't just make an alien body and

1142
01:29:40,119 --> 01:29:45,479
say there you go as an alien. That isn't what happened. So so,

1143
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:51,439
yeah, where we've gone full circle. It's now twenty twenty three and

1144
01:29:53,079 --> 01:29:59,079
we're still talking about it. Santilli
still hasn't given any film to be tested.

1145
01:30:00,119 --> 01:30:02,760
He is trying to sell a single
frame for a million dollars, and

1146
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,680
we're now heading towards twenty four.
I'll still and I still don't think it'll

1147
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:13,359
appear either. It won't, it
won't. Let's challenge him again. Now

1148
01:30:13,399 --> 01:30:16,159
I've done it a million times on
you know, Ray, if you're listening

1149
01:30:16,199 --> 01:30:20,119
to this, you know you've called
me out that somebody said to me only

1150
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:25,399
this week, that you said that
I wasn't anything to do with the alien

1151
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,479
autopsy, which is so it's fair
for me to now call you out.

1152
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,880
It's fair fair for me to do
that. So if you are listening to

1153
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,720
this, let's see some real film
that would that would nip it in the

1154
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:40,039
bud, wouldn't it would? It
would finish this argument. It would finish

1155
01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:43,840
his argument once and for all.
So so and I'm asking you to do

1156
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,520
it. I'm saying, let's do
it. I'm calling you out because I

1157
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:49,359
know you haven't got any Bring some
real film to the table so it can

1158
01:30:49,399 --> 01:30:55,399
be tested. Yeah, Yes,
there can be no good reason not to.

1159
01:30:56,039 --> 01:30:59,399
Yeah, because here are the reasons. I'll save you the time.

1160
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,239
Okay, I can't deliver any film
because I haven't got any because it was

1161
01:31:02,279 --> 01:31:06,479
taken away. But why are you
showing Philip Mantles and other people real film.

1162
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:11,039
And how are you trying to sell
them a single frame for a million

1163
01:31:11,039 --> 01:31:15,600
dollars if you haven't got any film, right, that's bullshit, that's nonsense.

1164
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,119
So okay, so it's taken away. That isn't the thing, all

1165
01:31:18,199 --> 01:31:21,880
right? So you haven't got enough, you haven't got enough film to give

1166
01:31:23,079 --> 01:31:26,520
Well, all you need is four
frames. Okay, so if you do

1167
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,880
three frames to test it, and
one frames a million dollars. But if

1168
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,960
you test it, it's worth a
billion dollars. It's priceless. It's the

1169
01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:39,439
moment he'll be able to afford to
give you a couple of million. Yeah,

1170
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:44,319
I don't hold no problem. Yeah, don't hold your breath, because

1171
01:31:44,319 --> 01:31:45,199
it's not going to happen, right, it's just not going to happen.

1172
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:50,000
He hasn't got any film. But
the excuses are still there. Oh this,

1173
01:31:50,319 --> 01:31:56,840
oh that or the other. It's
in mister Santilla's interest to get it

1174
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,640
tested because then his film becomes pless. Yeah right, it gets rid of

1175
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:09,680
people like me because he won't have
any contesters because he's just delivered real film

1176
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,920
that he nips it all in the
bud, doesn't it. It secures it

1177
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:20,239
secures his and his family's future forever
and his grandchildren's forever. Right they become

1178
01:32:20,279 --> 01:32:26,680
billionaires, and they become they become
the reason that we know aliens exist,

1179
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,840
and he's evidence of it. But
until he does that, because he won't

1180
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:35,199
do it, he can't do it. The incentive to do it is very

1181
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:41,399
high, but he's not doing it. Well, does that tell us you

1182
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,840
do it? You do it,
and you become wealthy beyond dreams, and

1183
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:50,600
you prove everybody right, the sorry
everybody wrong once and for all, or

1184
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:55,920
you don't do it, And that
doesn't make any sense at all, not

1185
01:32:56,039 --> 01:33:01,079
at all, so that you can't
have it both ways. He said that

1186
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:06,840
that he sent all the film to
the collector in Germany who bought it.

1187
01:33:08,039 --> 01:33:10,479
That you know that would be Vulcar. I was, but I suppose,

1188
01:33:11,319 --> 01:33:15,680
but Volka's very money orientated. He's
he's a he's a guy that puts stuff

1189
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:19,680
out in an own you know,
copyright. He doesn't even know to out

1190
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:24,119
get sued because he wants to make
it. But that's who Vodka was.

1191
01:33:24,199 --> 01:33:28,039
And I don't think Vulcan's around anymore. But but if he is around,

1192
01:33:28,119 --> 01:33:31,319
if if his family is inherited,
it where is it? This is priceless.

1193
01:33:31,319 --> 01:33:39,199
This should be in Southby's right now
being auctions for for unthinkable money,

1194
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:45,119
because that's that's what would have happened. But it hasn't happened. Yeah,

1195
01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:48,359
well I have to I have to
say that everything you've been told about is

1196
01:33:48,399 --> 01:33:51,680
in your amazing book, girl,
Grea in front of me, The Anion

1197
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:57,239
Autopsy, the Greatest Hopes of all
time? You still have you still got

1198
01:33:57,319 --> 01:34:00,880
a few. I've only got five
copies left. Because it's a message and

1199
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:05,600
it's a fantastic all color book,
and it's what yeah seven, seven hundred

1200
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:14,439
and every poses it you know,
I can't remember seven's three hundred and sixty

1201
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:20,279
almost Yeah, yeah. But it's
a work of art, isn't it.

1202
01:34:20,359 --> 01:34:25,399
It's a beautiful book. I took
a lot of time on it and and

1203
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:30,119
I wanted to do something special.
I am going to release a paperback version

1204
01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:34,439
of it soon. And the reason
that I haven't done it is because the

1205
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:41,720
manuscript that I created that that book
is is lots of full color pages and

1206
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:47,199
all the manuscript is part of that
artwork. So it's very memory hungry.

1207
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:53,199
Yeah, So for me to upload
that to anything, it's just crashing all

1208
01:34:53,279 --> 01:34:56,119
time. So the read the way
I've got to do it. I've got

1209
01:34:56,159 --> 01:35:02,199
to separate the written word out of
the program I was using in order to

1210
01:35:02,319 --> 01:35:06,239
upload it, and then add the
photos and stuff as a secondary thing,

1211
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:10,800
and then i can put it on
Amazon. So that's what I'm going to

1212
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,920
do. I haven't got round to
doing it, that's all. That's all

1213
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,880
that's happened, and I'm not you
know, yeah, well I can see

1214
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,079
it being a mess market paper based. Ye. Lots of people want it.

1215
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:25,279
Lots of people want it, so
the the the need for me to

1216
01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:27,840
do it is quite high. So
I'm going to do it. But I've

1217
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,079
been trying to do movies. I've
been trying to do as I'm saying,

1218
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:34,600
especially with a movie in the process
and also the other whole series. Yeah,

1219
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:39,960
talking about I think it's going to
be sort of holy sort after Yes,

1220
01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:43,399
I think so, and I hope
so. So. I am going

1221
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,880
to put it out and a slightly
smaller format, so it's not it's not

1222
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:49,119
gonna be as big as the book
that you've got. It would be,

1223
01:35:49,279 --> 01:35:55,039
ever, says, slightly smaller in
terms of the size of it, the

1224
01:35:55,079 --> 01:35:58,880
famum amount of pages. It might
have a few more. Actually, I

1225
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,479
might add the few latest things that
have happened at the end, just to

1226
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,359
bring it up to date. But
that's pretty much. It'll be a lot

1227
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:11,640
cheaper, you know, it'll be
very accessible. So so that's what's that's

1228
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:16,880
what's in the pipeline. You know, I've I've recently released I've really launched

1229
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:27,199
my my website on store which is
called Alien Dot Gifts. That but now

1230
01:36:27,239 --> 01:36:31,279
you started, that's great. Yeah, yeah, so the books available on

1231
01:36:31,359 --> 01:36:36,079
there also a number of other alien
autopsy bits and a few other alien e

1232
01:36:36,399 --> 01:36:41,039
you're you're reading too it daily you'll
see things on Facebook. They'll keep on

1233
01:36:41,159 --> 01:36:45,720
popping up and your yea things,
luggage, t shirts, models, DVDs,

1234
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,000
all sorts of stuff on that.
Yeah, there's there's mugs, there's

1235
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:57,560
watches and jewelry, and there's all
sorts of stuff costumes for for for Halloween

1236
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,960
and masks and all sorts of stuff. I'm being approached daily, people are

1237
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,039
coming to me and saying I've got
these, I've got that, you know.

1238
01:37:04,279 --> 01:37:11,279
So the remit is this, It's
it's basically when I say alien alien

1239
01:37:11,319 --> 01:37:13,840
gifts, and the men to say
it's got to be you know, just

1240
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,600
alien stuff. It's it's futuristic stuff
as well. It's sci fi stuff.

1241
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:21,479
You know. The watches that I've
got don't have hands, you know,

1242
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:28,920
they're all very futuristic and unusual looking. Everything's very very reasonable in terms of

1243
01:37:29,039 --> 01:37:31,840
I don't make a fortune from the
site. It's it's not overly priced,

1244
01:37:32,359 --> 01:37:38,039
so it's everything's kind of kept.
I've managed to bring the T shirts down

1245
01:37:38,119 --> 01:37:44,920
to twelve pounds twenty starting from twelve
pound twenty, but still very high quality

1246
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:47,640
T shirts, so they're not they're
not cheap. Oh, they're double stitched,

1247
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,920
and you know they've got they've they've
got all the right reinforcement in the

1248
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:55,960
color and in the shoulders and and
what have you. They'll stand a few

1249
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:59,199
washes, you know. So I'm
being I'm trying to do the right thing

1250
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:05,359
and deliver some stuff, and it's
turned out to be quite an animal to

1251
01:38:05,399 --> 01:38:10,479
feed. But but I'm enjoying it. It's it's it's you know, I

1252
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:17,079
will be I will be introducing replicas
from the debrief footage soon. So there's

1253
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:23,239
things that were in the in the
alien autopsy that I'll be introducing that that

1254
01:38:23,319 --> 01:38:30,039
will be a very limited edition run, but a few people that keep contacting

1255
01:38:30,039 --> 01:38:31,840
me saying when will you when we'll
be able to buy this? When we're

1256
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:36,199
you know, so that that will
be coming soon. Yeah, so it's

1257
01:38:36,199 --> 01:38:43,000
all it's all good fun. I
still maintain what I've always said. You

1258
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,760
know, people say to me,
do you believe in aliens or you know,

1259
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:50,600
I've never seen one myself, And
for that reason, I've got to

1260
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:56,279
say the juries out I've got to
believe that they're they're out there somewhere.

1261
01:38:57,159 --> 01:38:59,920
I don't know the answer, to
be honest, I just don't know.

1262
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,720
This is a dilemma, right,
let's let's kind of I don't want to

1263
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:08,640
go too deep into this, but
this is a dilemma. If they exist,

1264
01:39:09,159 --> 01:39:15,439
they're either traveling in a mental capacity, in a spiritual capacity, so

1265
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:23,239
something that you can't feel in touch, or they are highly evolved physical beings

1266
01:39:23,279 --> 01:39:30,800
that are nothing like us because they're
traveling a distance that they're traveling at speeds

1267
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:35,880
and through radiation belt and extreme heat
and so many things that we humans can't

1268
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:41,079
contend with. Right, so they're
going to be different to us. So

1269
01:39:42,279 --> 01:39:45,239
I don't know where to start with
it. What are they? Who are

1270
01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:47,399
they? How do they travel?
Are they traveling through time and space.

1271
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:54,119
Are they traveling through I don't know, other dimensions? Is it something we

1272
01:39:54,279 --> 01:39:57,239
need nderstand? This is this is
the figure. I mean, I think

1273
01:39:57,319 --> 01:40:00,960
in a dimensional respect, is is
quite believable. And also, I mean

1274
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,960
there's gonna be there's gonna be civilizations
out there. There are going to be

1275
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:09,720
millions of years of revolts of us
more evolves, So there's no reason why

1276
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,359
it couldn't be using some sort of
a technology and science. So we know

1277
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:18,159
nothing about Have you seen on my
shop? Have you seen my theories?

1278
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:25,920
I do see. I've got a
running gag which is in a parallel universe

1279
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:32,039
somewhere billions of like years away,
and I've done earthly artwork but with aliens

1280
01:40:32,039 --> 01:40:38,960
in them. Yeah. So so
the idea is that this is a parallel

1281
01:40:39,079 --> 01:40:43,600
universe. So in another art exhibition
somewhere else, in another parallel universe,

1282
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,920
they're doing the same as us,
but with aliens being the start, right,

1283
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,079
And I've done quite a bit of
that. I've I've got a number

1284
01:40:51,159 --> 01:40:57,520
of They're just fun, fun ideas, you know. I've got Alienardo da

1285
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:02,880
Vinci, that's right, yeah,
because yeah, yeah, and the mugs

1286
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:05,520
are lovely, by the way,
that I've done a seven months to that.

1287
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:09,199
But but there, I mean,
when I say they're lovely, I'm

1288
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:12,039
not blowing my own trumpy. I'm
just saying they've written nice quality and they're

1289
01:41:12,119 --> 01:41:17,399
they're you know, they're very pleasing. Then they're good talking points. But

1290
01:41:17,399 --> 01:41:21,760
but I've tried. I'm playing on
this idea of a parallel universe as opposed

1291
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:26,439
to you know, so, so
it's not different to ours, it's just

1292
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,920
different players, right, So there
will be an alien you and an alien

1293
01:41:31,039 --> 01:41:36,840
me in this parallel universe doing this
show, right, so, so in

1294
01:41:38,319 --> 01:41:42,239
their way, so you know,
but it's just like it could be the

1295
01:41:42,319 --> 01:41:45,159
other way around. I could be
you, you could be me. Yes,

1296
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:50,720
yes, that would be fun.
I don't know. Listen, the

1297
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:56,199
beauty, the beauty of fantasy is
exactly that, right, we can fantasize

1298
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,239
and that's what makes it fun.
The minute it gets theory, yes,

1299
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:05,359
is when people start start earning money
and don't want to stop earning money.

1300
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:09,720
Yeah, and then suddenly guns come
out, you know, becomes a whole

1301
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:15,399
different ball game. You know,
it's not a party anymore. And and

1302
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:19,640
there's a lot of that going on. I mean, Richard Dolan, he's

1303
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:26,399
he's done some interesting stuff, but
he wouldn't entertain conversation with me. He

1304
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:29,399
won't, he won't able to talk
to me. No. I even mentioned

1305
01:42:29,399 --> 01:42:31,399
you to him actually when I met
him a few years later when this was

1306
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,720
going on with the Kick Green stuff, and I said, you need to

1307
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:40,800
be talking to Spirits Belarus about the
Hadding autopsy, and he kind of said,

1308
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,520
oh, really that was it?
You know? Yeah, yeah,

1309
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,760
but he knows me. I've written
to him and and he's ignored me.

1310
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:53,439
I got a reply from an intern
or a secretary or somebody recently about four

1311
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:57,560
months ago. Oh, we've just
seen your your thing. And Richard's busy

1312
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:59,800
at the moment, but you know, he will get back to you soon.

1313
01:43:00,319 --> 01:43:02,159
And then obviously he's probably said,
how are you doing? I don't

1314
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:05,239
know what to talk to this guy. But she's just done the right thing.

1315
01:43:05,359 --> 01:43:09,760
She just did the right professional thing
and said look that we were going

1316
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:14,479
to be dealing with it soon.
There's still no reply. But when you've

1317
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:18,079
got a monetized platform and this guy's
going to tell you that what you've been

1318
01:43:18,079 --> 01:43:23,600
taking money off people is true,
you don't want to you don't want to

1319
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,960
deal with it. That's clearly what
it is. You know, it's just

1320
01:43:26,039 --> 01:43:28,880
it's just it's better not discuss it. Then he can hand on his heart

1321
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:30,800
say, well, I don't know
the guy. I haven't spoken to him,

1322
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,800
and that's it. Yeah, yeah, I think kind of. I

1323
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,920
think sometimes these things are a lot
of sensational enough. I mean, maybe

1324
01:43:38,079 --> 01:43:41,119
in your movie comes out, it
might be a whole different story and people

1325
01:43:41,159 --> 01:43:45,439
have a different attitude. Well,
there'll be a different audience now as as

1326
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,199
soon as my movie comes out,
and it'll be what it'll be a while

1327
01:43:47,279 --> 01:43:50,319
yet, but when it comes out, there'll be a brand new audience of

1328
01:43:50,359 --> 01:43:56,279
people that weren't even there in ninety
five. And there'll also be a brand

1329
01:43:56,279 --> 01:44:00,000
new showbiz audience that want to talk
about how cheek the whole program is,

1330
01:44:00,039 --> 01:44:02,840
the whole thing is. Well,
I mean, the whole story will be

1331
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,920
fantastic. It'll be a bit of
comedy and a little bit of serious stuff

1332
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:12,039
all mixed up. Well, it's
it's it's a black comedy, it's a

1333
01:44:12,079 --> 01:44:14,920
truth story. But there was an
awful lot of funny stuff that went on,

1334
01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:16,600
a lot of stuff that even you
don't know. We've we've talked a

1335
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:20,920
few times, but I've not told
your stuff about John and about Isabel.

1336
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:28,239
Sure, there's a lot of personal
stuff that could be the movie. The

1337
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:31,800
difference between the movie and the six
part series is the sixth part series talks

1338
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:36,760
about the players who were involved,
what they did, and how they did

1339
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:42,119
it okay, and how I made
it all fit together because I was a

1340
01:44:42,199 --> 01:44:45,800
kingpin. I was a central.
I dealt with Santilli. I dealt with

1341
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,720
everybody else. Santilli never never dealt
with John, for example, you with

1342
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:53,119
me, So John took orders from
me. Jo took orders from me.

1343
01:44:53,439 --> 01:45:00,039
Santilli and I discussed between us.
I never talked to I never talked to

1344
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:03,560
anybody he was talking to with distribution, which is why he got away with

1345
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:10,079
selling it all over the world without
me knowing. But but but Sanctilly never

1346
01:45:10,079 --> 01:45:15,640
spoke to Georgina or to Greg or
to John. They all talked to me.

1347
01:45:16,279 --> 01:45:20,520
So I was the central, the
central person. Everyone's boat too in

1348
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:25,920
the creation of the thing. So
you are both managers of your own parts.

1349
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:30,880
But yeah, yeah, yeah,
So the thing is right when it

1350
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:36,039
comes to when it comes to the
six part series, everyone did a job,

1351
01:45:36,079 --> 01:45:40,039
and it's a matter of fact,
John did this, I did that,

1352
01:45:40,119 --> 01:45:43,119
and this is how we did it, and it's just a documentary.

1353
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:48,319
Although it's dramatized, there are sections
in it where we recreate what happened.

1354
01:45:48,359 --> 01:45:54,520
So a person playing me and a
person playing John have a conversation within within

1355
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:59,720
the docu drama. It's what we
said, it's the actual words, right.

1356
01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:06,119
The movie is slightly different because there
are lots of subplots, so you

1357
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:13,159
get to see John's life away from
me and away from the Ailien autopsy,

1358
01:46:13,239 --> 01:46:16,199
So you get you get a feeling
of who he is, what his life

1359
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:20,640
was about, what his suffering was, what his pain was, where his

1360
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:25,479
pleasure came from. You got to
know that the character, and then you

1361
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:30,119
better understand his role in the Aiden
autopsy, staying with Georgina and I,

1362
01:46:30,279 --> 01:46:34,720
and the same with people that I
was dealing with away from the Aiden autopsy.

1363
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:41,479
So it's lots of sidelines, and
the movie also deals with the people

1364
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:45,439
that weren't even involved in the Ailien
autopsy. He were on the outskirts,

1365
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:48,640
like Philip Mantle, who was trying
to decipher what the hell's going on and

1366
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:53,600
trying to find out is it real, who's involved, what's happened, And

1367
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,439
there was a time when he was
even, so he was real, didn't

1368
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:58,600
he for a while? Yeah,
right at the beginning. And then when

1369
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:04,560
I came forward, see what happened
was John Humphries went to tried to once

1370
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:11,159
it became public knowledge and said Tilly
was going to make a movie. John

1371
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:16,199
tried to sell his story to Fox
because Fox had already done a special and

1372
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:20,399
he wanted to get He went to
Bob Kivyat to sell up the story and

1373
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:25,520
Bob Kiva had lots of questions that
John couldn't answer because John only was involved

1374
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:30,079
in his part. And John said, well, you need to seek speak

1375
01:47:30,119 --> 01:47:33,880
to Spirous about all the other stuff. So he didn't give my surname.

1376
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:38,920
He just called me Spirous. So
Kivat had my name but didn't know who

1377
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:45,720
I was. Then later when I
finally met Philip Mantle and I came out,

1378
01:47:45,319 --> 01:47:47,359
he said, we've been looking for
you, spiro Us. We don't

1379
01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:50,039
know who you were. We didn't
have your surname. We just knew there's

1380
01:47:50,039 --> 01:47:57,239
a guy called Spirous. So he
knew of me before I materialized, and

1381
01:47:57,319 --> 01:48:02,439
so did Michael Hessman, who wrote
the book with Philip Mantle about Roswell.

1382
01:48:04,199 --> 01:48:11,720
And during that time, somebody a
whistleblower went to Michael Hessman and said,

1383
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:15,560
the guy that made the alien autopsies
a guy called Spiros and this is his

1384
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:21,920
phone number, and his girlfriend plays
the nurse. Michael Hesselman had that information

1385
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:28,159
in late ninety five, right,
and he phoned me up. Did you

1386
01:48:28,199 --> 01:48:31,119
know this? I'm pretty sure you
had mentioned it to me. Ye.

1387
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:36,079
So Michael Hessman phoned me and he
said, are you Spiros? Yes?

1388
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:40,920
Did you make the alien autopsy?
Point blank? Just came straight out with

1389
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:44,319
it. So I said, sorry, who is this? And he said,

1390
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,640
oh, my name is Michael And
he said and did your girlfriend play

1391
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:50,239
the nurse? And I said,
I don't know what you're talking about.

1392
01:48:50,279 --> 01:48:55,039
Of course I would, right,
That's what I said, And he said

1393
01:48:55,039 --> 01:48:59,640
okay, then bye bye. And
he never mentioned it to Philip Mantle,

1394
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:04,640
and they wrote the book talking about
the Asian Autopsy. Didn't and he had

1395
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:09,359
me. He knew about me,
but it didn't suit him to pursue it

1396
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:14,960
further. He preferred having it as
a real film and didn't tell Philip Mantle.

1397
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:21,000
Philip Mantle invited me to a UFO
convention that he was hosting and as

1398
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:26,880
a speaker, and I spoke at
that convention, and Philip and Michael Hessman

1399
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,800
was there, and Hesselman when I
when I was doing questions and answers,

1400
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:38,079
he asked me a question and I
immediately recognized his accent and his voice.

1401
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:45,279
He's got He's got quite an effeminate
German accent, very distinguishable, right,

1402
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,800
So I knew it was him immediately. I knew I'd spoken to this man,

1403
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,119
so I went. I went to
Philip Mantle afterwards. I said to

1404
01:49:51,159 --> 01:49:55,640
him, you know, I know
this guy. He phoned me up and

1405
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:57,760
he says, what did he fill
you? He called me up and he

1406
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,640
told me this, and he asked
me, did I make the an autopsy?

1407
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:04,000
And he asked me if my girlfriend
was the nurse? So he said

1408
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,840
what else? He went straight over
to Michael Hessman and he said, did

1409
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:11,800
you know about spirits? But before
all of this and you spoke to him

1410
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,720
and he said yes, and he
said, why don't you tell me?

1411
01:50:15,319 --> 01:50:18,399
Oh, I didn't think it was
important, and Michael and Philip fell out

1412
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:24,479
over it. Well yeah, right, but Michael Hesseman knew me, knew

1413
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:29,359
of me, but all the way
back then. So when people say,

1414
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:32,960
oh I was inserted, well you
can't have it always, you can't have

1415
01:50:33,079 --> 01:50:36,359
it. I was inserted, but
my name was out there all this time

1416
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:40,800
because my name is not a common
name, right, it's not. It's

1417
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:43,880
not like you know, there's lots
of spirits is out there, but how

1418
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:48,399
many are in England? And who
met her in the film industry and know

1419
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:53,079
John Humphries And when you pile it
all together, yeah, all that information

1420
01:50:53,159 --> 01:50:56,279
together, Yeah, I agree with
you. You know, it's not John

1421
01:50:56,279 --> 01:50:59,479
Smith and we're looking for a John
Smith, you know, and it could

1422
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:05,119
be anybody. It's me, yes, I'm very visible. So Michael Hessman

1423
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:10,920
is still maintains. I asked him
point blank on my group the other day

1424
01:51:11,079 --> 01:51:15,000
do you think the alien autopsy film
is real? And he wouldn't answer.

1425
01:51:15,399 --> 01:51:17,399
He avoided that question. He wouldn't
say yes, it's real. He wouldn't

1426
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:21,439
say no, it's not real.
He just said that. He just said

1427
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:25,560
that I don't know enough about it, and I'm not who I am,

1428
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:31,600
blah blah blah, And he bases
that on. Santilli gave him the whereabouts

1429
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:39,520
of the crash site where where the
aliens crashed in New Mexico, and he

1430
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:44,079
said he gave it to him from
the cameraman that took the alien autopsy.

1431
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:50,000
All words, no evidence, just
words. Okay, So Michael Hessman went

1432
01:51:50,039 --> 01:51:55,399
out to New Mexico, found the
crash site, is convinced that he's found

1433
01:51:55,399 --> 01:52:00,840
the genuine crest such crash site.
Therefore, the cameraman is genuinely real and

1434
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:06,840
Santilly is telling the truth. Well, no, he's not. Santilly could

1435
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:14,479
have met anybody, a military person, a nurse, said, doctor whoever

1436
01:52:15,359 --> 01:52:19,720
from Roswell, who was there in
nineteen forty seven, who could have given

1437
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:27,520
him a verbal account of what they
saw. Right, That doesn't make them

1438
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:33,439
a cameraman that filmed the alien autopsy. Right. So if somebody gave the

1439
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:38,680
whereabouts of a crash site and he
gave it to Michael Hesselman, and Michael

1440
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:44,119
Hesselman says the crash site was in
Socorro, New Mexico, then that's fair

1441
01:52:44,199 --> 01:52:46,880
enough. I can't debate that.
I don't know. It could be true,

1442
01:52:47,279 --> 01:52:50,720
it might not be. But I
do know one thing. It wasn't

1443
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:56,399
a cameraman that filmed the alien autopsy. This is a complete different person.

1444
01:52:56,439 --> 01:53:00,640
It can't be because the alien autopsy
isn't real. So so I'll give you

1445
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:05,159
the benefit of the doubt and say
it could be somebody who was from that

1446
01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:14,960
time. A witness doesn't make it
necessarily a cameraman would be anybody. And

1447
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,439
I said that to Michael Hessman and
he still didn't respond to that. It

1448
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:20,840
didn't it didn't acknowledge. Well,
yeah, that's possible, it's possible the

1449
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:26,479
two things are not associated. But
he did say, and here's the bit

1450
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:31,760
that really winds me up. When
I went to Roswell, I interviewed lots

1451
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:39,399
of people, and I was told
of four different crash sites. Okay,

1452
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:44,800
so I've visited them all, knowing
that it can't all be the crash site,

1453
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,279
can they No, obviously not.
No. So so somebody's got a

1454
01:53:47,279 --> 01:53:49,760
piece of land in Roswell and thinks, you know what, I can make

1455
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:54,079
some money. He charge ten bucks
a time. People don't visit the crash.

1456
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:56,680
When you go out there, it
all looks the same anyway. Yes,

1457
01:53:56,840 --> 01:54:00,640
yeah, that's right, that's right. So I went to mac Brazil's

1458
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:06,000
ranch where it was supposedly happened.
But Michael Hessman said to me, that's

1459
01:54:06,119 --> 01:54:11,359
not where this came from. It
came from Socorro, New Mexico. And

1460
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:15,319
that's why you don't know what you're
talking about. And I said to him,

1461
01:54:15,319 --> 01:54:16,239
well, you know what, when
it comes to the crest site,

1462
01:54:16,279 --> 01:54:19,079
I really don't know what I'm talking
about. I haven't got a clue,

1463
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:24,720
and I'll learn from you if you
tell me the crest site was in Socorro,

1464
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:28,640
New Mexico, and not in Roswell, which is quite close by the

1465
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:30,920
way. But all right, fair
enough, I can't argue with you,

1466
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,960
but I can tell you the alien
autopsy film isn't not real, and the

1467
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:39,520
creature within the film is nothing like
anything else said, I've not seen anything

1468
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:42,479
else to copy it from. It
came from mine head, came from my

1469
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:47,920
imagination, so I can't say that
I fluked it to be exactly what anything

1470
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:53,279
else might have happened. Right,
So the film is not anything to do

1471
01:54:53,439 --> 01:54:57,800
with the crash. But let me
ask you another question. Because he's a

1472
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:01,199
scholar, he's an educated man.
This is but the very very smart okay,

1473
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:06,800
much cleverer than me. Okay,
this man has written one hundred books.

1474
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:10,800
I think over one hundred books.
Okay. He works with a Vatican,

1475
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:14,119
he's a he's a he's a proper
historian. Okay, So I'm going

1476
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:15,560
to give him the benefit of the
doubt that he knows what he's talking about,

1477
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:19,439
because he's much smarter than I am. But I've got what they call

1478
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:25,840
street street cred, right, I
have a logical brain. I have something

1479
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:30,439
that's just logical. There needs to
be something tangible for me to buy it.

1480
01:55:30,079 --> 01:55:33,880
And that's not necessarily an educated thing. It's it's a feeling, it's

1481
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:39,159
a it's a balance of probability.
And here's the question I'm going to ask

1482
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:42,399
you. Okay, I asked this
to Michael Hessman, and he won't answer.

1483
01:55:44,279 --> 01:55:48,880
Something definitely crashed in Roswell, New
Mexico, on Matt Brazil's ranch in

1484
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:55,720
nineteen forty seven. There are too
many witnesses who said that happened, including

1485
01:55:55,800 --> 01:56:00,279
Jesse Marcel, who was the intelligence
officer in Roswell in nineteen forty seven,

1486
01:56:00,319 --> 01:56:05,640
who's who went to the crash site
to retrieve the supposed flying saucer that crashed

1487
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:11,680
on it. Okay, we know
that because there's too much evidence that something

1488
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,920
crashed. We don't know that it's
a flying disc. It might not have

1489
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:20,439
been. But something definitely did crash
in New Mexico in Roswell. So the

1490
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:28,279
question is how many crashes were there, because if Michael Hessman has evidence there's

1491
01:56:28,279 --> 01:56:31,560
a crash into Coron, New Mexico, and we've got one on Matt Brazil's

1492
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:39,479
ranch, and I visited two other
crash sites as well. This is the

1493
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:42,800
bit that becomes a little bit sticky
for me. There was supposed to be

1494
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:46,439
another one a Corona, another one
Corona, so they can't land their own

1495
01:56:46,439 --> 01:56:54,199
aircraft. These these highly superior beings, right, that traveled these hundreds of

1496
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:59,479
thousands of light years to get to
us in spaceships or craft or whatever they're

1497
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:03,600
traveling in. That's so sophisticated that
we can't do what they do. But

1498
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:08,800
but the somehow they fail at the
last hurdle and just crash. Apparently it

1499
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:11,159
was supposed to be some sort of
radar thing, wasn't it. Though.

1500
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:15,640
That's that's the that's the theory you're
went out. But the thing is,

1501
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:18,159
though it's a theory, that's nonsense, because if you if you know anything

1502
01:57:18,199 --> 01:57:28,119
about radar or radio or any kind
of radiation waves that travel in the air,

1503
01:57:28,479 --> 01:57:31,119
this is normal. That's what our
atmosphere is made of. It's full

1504
01:57:31,159 --> 01:57:35,560
of radioactivity, right, It's full
of it. It's not even like a

1505
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:41,239
little bit of whatever. It's like
you know yourself, how many radio stations

1506
01:57:41,239 --> 01:57:44,079
they are out there, how many
TV stations are out there, how many

1507
01:57:44,279 --> 01:57:49,479
telephone networks there are out they're all
working in that airspace. Okay, so

1508
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:56,079
it's nothing that's gonna it's even gonna
affect. Then there wasn't so many better

1509
01:57:56,079 --> 01:58:01,600
then even But you're telling me that
these able traveled or these things traveled all

1510
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:06,239
this distance and a superior craft and
knows nothing about radio waves. Really,

1511
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:12,720
I find that really hard to believe. So so the logical part of me

1512
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:15,960
says, I don't believe they're crashing
everywhere. If there was a crash,

1513
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:19,279
it would have been an isolated crash. If there was a crash, it

1514
01:58:19,359 --> 01:58:24,399
might have been they got shot down. Is that possible? Is that possible?

1515
01:58:24,439 --> 01:58:28,399
They got shot down? But something
right happened. Did they get hit

1516
01:58:28,479 --> 01:58:32,399
by lightning? Maybe I doubt that
very much, but maybe right, So,

1517
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,800
all of these things are possible.
We're never going to know. But

1518
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:42,640
I do know that the probability of
every spaceship that's ever landed as crashed is

1519
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:47,800
nonsense. Right. Maybe you can't
say that because you've got you've got you've

1520
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:54,039
got your crop circles where clearly they
haven't crashed there, they've they've landed apparently.

1521
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:58,000
So so all right, we don't
cray, but how many are have

1522
01:58:58,199 --> 01:59:01,119
crashed? Right? I don't think
you can out how many aeroplanes crash A

1523
01:59:01,239 --> 01:59:05,640
right, let's no, right,
not many nowadays. But you know when

1524
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:10,399
they're crash, they're crashing for what
reason? Right, But when you've got

1525
01:59:10,399 --> 01:59:15,159
a spaceship that they're coming to it
and they're crashing, that's really convenient for

1526
01:59:15,239 --> 01:59:18,760
this, for the UFO story,
right, to have this this crash and

1527
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:23,600
we we've got bits of spaceship and
we've got the aliens that were inside it.

1528
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:27,880
And you know, really, okay, are you asking me to believe

1529
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:31,039
too much? I can't. I
can't stretch to that. I did a

1530
01:59:31,079 --> 01:59:35,520
T shirt on my shop which is
quite funny. It's the it's the Roswell

1531
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:39,880
Highway, right, so so it's
got it's got it's got a sign that

1532
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:43,560
says Roswell out Limits. Have you
seen the T shirt? I think I've

1533
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:45,239
already seen it. You've seen it. And it's a spaceship, but a

1534
01:59:45,239 --> 01:59:50,039
spaceship about the crash and above the
above the Roswell Outer Limits sign. It

1535
01:59:50,079 --> 01:59:54,159
says please don't drink and fly.
Oh yes, I've seen that one.

1536
01:59:54,319 --> 01:59:57,000
Yeah, it's please let drink and
fly, because maybe that's what's happening,

1537
01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:00,880
right, Maybe they get drunk and
they're they're crashing. I also alluded to

1538
02:00:01,399 --> 02:00:05,880
my my I'm not a chauvinist,
by the way, but I play.

1539
02:00:06,039 --> 02:00:10,840
I play the chauvinist because it's funny. I make funny remarks. You can't

1540
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:14,239
do it anymore, but everybody,
everybody attacks you. You can't do anything

1541
02:00:14,319 --> 02:00:16,319
anymore. You can't say anything.
You're either going to be a chauvinist or

1542
02:00:16,399 --> 02:00:20,079
racist or see we're all going to
have a label now. Yeah, you

1543
02:00:20,119 --> 02:00:25,079
can't do anything without But I did
say then it could have been female drivers,

1544
02:00:25,199 --> 02:00:30,640
right maybe, and that's why they
keep crashing and and I'm hoping people

1545
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,840
will take it as a gag that's
supposed to be because do you know what,

1546
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:38,039
I don't care try and cancel me. I've got nothing to cancel.

1547
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:41,840
I know you're not a chauvinist anyway. I'm not. I'm not really not.

1548
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,600
I've got a mother and a sister
that I love dearly and I respect

1549
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:47,880
highly, and and trust me,
they're they're they're amazing, right, So

1550
02:00:48,199 --> 02:00:53,520
I know I know that they are
the superior sex, there's no question.

1551
02:00:54,079 --> 02:00:58,640
And men men play at being the
boss where we're not. That's the fact

1552
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:01,520
we're not true in your in your
marriage, really, you're the boss.

1553
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:04,439
Really sometimes a lot to try and
think. So, yeah, you're the

1554
02:01:04,439 --> 02:01:08,119
man of the house, you're the
lion, you're the king. But reality

1555
02:01:08,279 --> 02:01:13,159
is that if Chill said, you
know what, I fancy knocking this wall

1556
02:01:13,199 --> 02:01:15,039
down, you know what, you're
nocking that wall down? Yeah, well,

1557
02:01:15,079 --> 02:01:18,000
we all get looked after, don't
we. You know that's right,

1558
02:01:18,079 --> 02:01:24,159
that's right, that's right. But
it is humor and we mustn't we mustn't

1559
02:01:24,199 --> 02:01:29,239
sense a humor but aliens, right, But we're being alienists, right,

1560
02:01:29,239 --> 02:01:32,479
We're saying that they can't fly their
planes. So the c and that kind

1561
02:01:32,479 --> 02:01:39,279
of makes sense to somebody like Michael
Michael Hessiman. Yeah, I will say

1562
02:01:39,279 --> 02:01:42,680
in closing down, I mean,
you've never denied that there's there could well

1563
02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:45,760
be an alien autopsy out there,
a genuine one. But it's not a

1564
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:49,159
world film. It's not your film. You you made that one. That's

1565
02:01:49,279 --> 02:01:53,680
right, But let me make let
me make that even clearer. Okay,

1566
02:01:53,880 --> 02:02:00,199
the reason my film has been as
successful as it's been and as controversial was

1567
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:06,039
it's been is because the possibility of
there being an autopsy out there, the

1568
02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:13,319
rumor that there could have been one
out there, Because if if a craft

1569
02:02:13,439 --> 02:02:17,039
crashed, and if they did collect
bodies, and if those bodies, if

1570
02:02:17,079 --> 02:02:24,840
one died, it's only natural that
our scientists are going to dissect it to

1571
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:31,079
see how it works. And the
coint the phrase alien autopsy was actually wrong.

1572
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:34,920
Okay, it's stuck. We're stuck
with it now, but it's actually

1573
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:41,880
wrong. It should be dissection.
It was the alien dissection because they weren't

1574
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:46,159
trying to find out They didn't try
to find out how the alien died.

1575
02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:50,359
They tried to find out how the
alien works. Right, Okay, it

1576
02:02:50,399 --> 02:02:54,760
was the first time. It's first
day at school. We've got an alien,

1577
02:02:55,119 --> 02:02:56,960
right, well, how does it? How does it survive? I

1578
02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:00,279
don't know. We've got to look
inside, is it like us? Right?

1579
02:03:00,439 --> 02:03:06,720
That's not an autopsy? So right, So that's flawed in its concept.

1580
02:03:08,079 --> 02:03:11,279
Right, we're live in it with
it now, and we've got a

1581
02:03:11,279 --> 02:03:15,760
guy doing an autopsy in autopsy procedures
on an alien, where actually it should

1582
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:18,960
be a scientific dissection. Yeah,
Well, I suppose at the time it

1583
02:03:19,039 --> 02:03:21,640
sounded right, didn't it, you
know, of course? Yeah, yeah,

1584
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:25,880
yeah, But it's a mistake in
hindsight. In hindsight, it should

1585
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:30,880
have been called the alien dissection,
but it wasn't. It was a mistake.

1586
02:03:30,479 --> 02:03:34,359
But let's get back to what we
were just saying. If it crashed,

1587
02:03:34,399 --> 02:03:36,840
and if there were bodies, and
if they were taken back, and

1588
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:43,520
if they were then dissected. Okay, all of that story leads to the

1589
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:46,039
fact that them must have documented it. And if they documented it, how

1590
02:03:46,079 --> 02:03:54,640
would they document it were photographically and
with film and an audio accompaniment from the

1591
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:59,199
person doing the section talking about what
they're discovering, right, which is why

1592
02:03:59,239 --> 02:04:01,279
I put a micro phone there.
That's why all of this, all of

1593
02:04:01,319 --> 02:04:06,479
that stuff was in there, because
that's what would have happened. So if

1594
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:12,319
that's what would have happened, then
if it did happen, So if we

1595
02:04:12,359 --> 02:04:15,840
agree there was a crash and it
might have been in a spaceship, and

1596
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:18,560
there might have been bodies, then
I can say to you the probability of

1597
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:23,600
there being a real alien autopsy out
there is quite high. If it's real,

1598
02:04:24,279 --> 02:04:29,720
If there genuinely was a spaceship crash. So that then makes my film

1599
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:35,239
probable because because there was a situation
that says that this could have happened,

1600
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:41,680
Right, So, if Roswell hadn't
happened, would people have still believed it

1601
02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:47,479
as much as what we've got here? Because the people at Roswell have reported

1602
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:51,279
dead bodies and they were taken by
the military, and an autopsy was done

1603
02:04:51,319 --> 02:04:57,560
on those bodies developed from there,
that gave it credibility. Right, So

1604
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:01,000
I'm not saying there isn't a real
in autopsy out there. I hope there

1605
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:06,279
is. I can tell you and
on my heart and everything I hold dear

1606
02:05:08,119 --> 02:05:15,680
that this film does not depict a
real event. Nothing in that film is

1607
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:19,560
factual. It's a sci fi movie. Nothing, not one thing in there

1608
02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:24,600
apart the objects. The objects are
real, you know, the alien isn't.

1609
02:05:25,039 --> 02:05:29,560
That autopsy table isn't the suits they're
wearing aren't. They're all made up.

1610
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:36,640
They all came from my head.
So that's the bottom line. I've

1611
02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:40,600
said it a million times. You
know, find me that room. That

1612
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:44,439
room must exist somewhere, right.
It's a quite distinctive room. You know,

1613
02:05:44,439 --> 02:05:46,840
it's got a window in the wall. You know, it's it's white.

1614
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,199
It's just got a telephone on the
wall. There, it's got a

1615
02:05:49,319 --> 02:05:51,680
clock on the wall. You know, show me that room, because that

1616
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:56,119
room must have existed before the alien
autopsy happened, if it was real,

1617
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:59,680
and if it was, if it
existed, it doesn't matter what they used

1618
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:02,159
the room for. It must be
some kind of documented evidence, photographs,

1619
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:08,199
something somewhere. It would have been
an autopsy because if he's got an autopsy

1620
02:06:08,279 --> 02:06:11,560
table and everything in it. So
yeah, But the argument is that maybe

1621
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:15,880
they brought it in to use that
room for this for some reason. You

1622
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:18,359
know, there's all some reasons why
it might have been something. Might have

1623
02:06:18,359 --> 02:06:24,439
been a laboratory, it might have
been whatever. But the point is it

1624
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:29,720
must exist somewhere in a building somewhere, right, So where is it?

1625
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:30,880
Why has nobody said, well,
yeah, I've been in that room.

1626
02:06:32,039 --> 02:06:35,600
Somebody somewhere must have been. You
know, this has gone to Roswell,

1627
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:40,880
to New Mexico. I've taken the
film to Roswell and shown it to people

1628
02:06:41,319 --> 02:06:44,279
who were there. Not one person
said, yeah, that room's and that

1629
02:06:44,319 --> 02:06:46,800
building over there. Yeah, you're
thinking at least fifty people would know about

1630
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:53,000
it, wouldn't Somebody would right,
But nobody's ever said, here's the room,

1631
02:06:53,279 --> 02:06:57,720
let alone the autopsy table. That
room has to exist in a building

1632
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:01,000
somewhere, and it hasn't. It
doesn't exist, all right, So it's

1633
02:07:01,079 --> 02:07:05,600
not just the stuff in the room. It's a room itself. Nothing about

1634
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:10,600
it is real. So anyway,
so we've done We've done it to death

1635
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:14,720
again. No, No, there's
always a little bit different coming out,

1636
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:17,520
and I think it's a It's always
good to talk to you, Sperius anyway,

1637
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:21,520
And I will put all those links
to your alien gifts on the on

1638
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:27,199
Parallel Dimensions page. I'm looking forward
to seeing you again, surely, and

1639
02:07:27,720 --> 02:07:32,119
yes, I'm expecting to. You'll
be doing a few presentations hopefully. Well,

1640
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:38,600
I'm going to be doing I've,
I've I'm looking after a lovely venue

1641
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:43,640
in London that I'm going to be
putting on events at and I'm thinking about

1642
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:47,039
doing a UFO event. I don't
know what I'm going to do yet,

1643
02:07:47,079 --> 02:07:49,840
but I will. I'll definitely do
a talk on the alien autopsy, as

1644
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:54,960
well as anything else that sounds really
good. It might be a weekend event,

1645
02:07:55,159 --> 02:07:57,279
it might be something that goes over
two days, it might be I

1646
02:07:57,319 --> 02:08:01,199
don't know. Yet, but I'll
keep you posted. Hopefully you'll be part

1647
02:08:01,199 --> 02:08:05,439
of that and do something as much
as I possibly can. Yeah, I'd

1648
02:08:05,479 --> 02:08:07,840
love you to be part of it
and be involved and to do something there

1649
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:13,399
if you want to. It's it's
not going to be like other UFOL conventions

1650
02:08:13,399 --> 02:08:16,720
where you've got a thousands of people
turning up. It's going to be a

1651
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:22,720
smaller affair, but hopefully quality.
Who knows, maybe maybe our friends the

1652
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:26,239
consellers will come. Maybe I'll see
who I can, who I can get

1653
02:08:26,279 --> 02:08:31,560
to talk and and do it.
It's near enough for them anyway, isn't

1654
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:35,000
it, you know, Yeah,
away from most of us really. Yeah.

1655
02:08:35,079 --> 02:08:37,560
Well it's off in articular roads,
so it's very easy to get to,

1656
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:41,560
lots of parking and and it's it's
it's a nice venue. We're renovating

1657
02:08:41,600 --> 02:08:46,239
it now and putting in a nice
bar and a few a few nice bits

1658
02:08:46,239 --> 02:08:50,399
and pieces, and the sounds very
good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1659
02:08:50,479 --> 02:08:52,680
We've got the screen in, we've
got the projector room, we've got the

1660
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:56,600
stage, we've got really in.
So so yeah, definitely going to do

1661
02:08:56,640 --> 02:09:01,319
a few things there. I want
to do a UFO when I've mentioned a

1662
02:09:01,439 --> 02:09:05,159
UFO type convention, to non UFO
people. When I say that, I

1663
02:09:05,159 --> 02:09:09,439
mean people that are not in the
community, not people that are are well

1664
02:09:09,479 --> 02:09:15,600
known in it or fanatics. They've
it's been very well received and lots of

1665
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:18,319
people that are not in the community
want to go to something like it.

1666
02:09:18,399 --> 02:09:24,000
So so maybe I'll have a few
people with some books and some some merch.

1667
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:28,000
Yeah, you could do a sci
fi one as well, something like

1668
02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:33,159
yeah, yeah, yeah, so
so yeah, that's that's something I've got

1669
02:09:33,159 --> 02:09:35,279
that. As I say, well, we'll go a screen and the projector

1670
02:09:35,319 --> 02:09:37,720
and everything, so we can do
screenings, we can do you know,

1671
02:09:37,880 --> 02:09:43,680
sorts of stuff. So what the
space of They say, wouldn't it be

1672
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:48,119
great if you could get your friend
you're a geller over Yeah? Oo is

1673
02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:52,439
wo is up up to something at
the moment, and he's he posted something

1674
02:09:52,560 --> 02:10:01,199
yesterday which shows a shot of lots
of bodies lying I saw that in a

1675
02:10:01,279 --> 02:10:05,960
morgue and they're clearly alien looking bodies. Yeah. I think it's from the

1676
02:10:05,039 --> 02:10:09,520
X Files, and I know it's
not real. Yeah, but he's kind

1677
02:10:09,560 --> 02:10:13,479
of making out that it is.
No, I don't know, let's see,

1678
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:16,720
Yeah, wy would he do that? Wonder is he putting a test

1679
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:22,399
out or something. He's a very
complicated man, because I'm sure he would

1680
02:10:22,439 --> 02:10:28,000
know that's not real. He's saying
things like he's got some inside information on

1681
02:10:28,039 --> 02:10:33,680
it and he'll reveal it soon and
I don't know, it be interesting to

1682
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:35,880
see where it goes. Yeah,
yeah, let's let's keep an eye out

1683
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:41,600
on it. But yeah, okay, so I'll let you go into experience.

1684
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:48,039
Was actually talking to you always always
a pleasure, and I'll see you

1685
02:10:48,159 --> 02:10:52,319
soon. And it's been great.
Oh yeah, we have covered a few

1686
02:10:52,399 --> 02:10:56,000
few other things. And if anyone
out there is a little bit confused about

1687
02:10:56,039 --> 02:10:58,479
what we've been talking about, he
is a confusing subject. It's not a

1688
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:03,960
stroke for would I guess if one
would like it to be. But look

1689
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:07,399
out for Spisy's book, The Adian
Autopsy, and hopefully you'll be coming out

1690
02:11:07,439 --> 02:11:11,680
in paperback as well. Sure,
yeah, very soon. And also if

1691
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:18,319
you've got a direct contact that contrary
the direct question that you want to ask

1692
02:11:18,399 --> 02:11:24,680
me, and it won't cost you
a penny and I will answer, go

1693
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:30,439
to my Facebook group Alien Autopsy fact
files. Yeah, and I know for

1694
02:11:30,520 --> 02:11:33,000
a fact that you will give a
very detailed though I'll be happy to do

1695
02:11:33,039 --> 02:11:35,800
it. Yeah. Yeah, and
you can and you can get some entertainment

1696
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:39,920
with all the other things that have
been on there, which which are quite

1697
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:43,520
hilarious sometimes, yes, yes they
are, they are. Sometimes I get

1698
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:48,640
very angry with people, I get
very annoyed because they don't listen, which

1699
02:11:48,680 --> 02:11:52,000
is not which is not like you
at all. No, but I kind

1700
02:11:52,039 --> 02:11:54,840
of you know, And then I've
got to remind myself it doesn't matter,

1701
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:58,800
you know. And I just got
to say, oh, it doesn't matter,

1702
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:03,399
just leave it, and you know. And and I've got to say,

1703
02:12:03,439 --> 02:12:05,000
I've got to say, right,
last thing, last thing. If

1704
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:09,520
it wasn't for these people saying that
it's real, it would have died in

1705
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:13,800
five minutes. That's absolutely true.
Yeah, right, So I owe them,

1706
02:12:15,319 --> 02:12:18,199
I owe them some gratitude. Really, I've got to say thank you,

1707
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:22,680
Yeah, convincing that it was Yeah, so I've got to say thank

1708
02:12:22,680 --> 02:12:26,399
you for for keeping it alive,
because it's the very reason it's if we

1709
02:12:26,439 --> 02:12:28,760
all agreed it was fake, it
would die right away, wouldn't it.

1710
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:33,119
Yeah? Absolutely yeah. And the
fact that you're actually coming in a feature

1711
02:12:33,159 --> 02:12:39,039
film and another series, he says
a lot, doesn't it. Yeah,

1712
02:12:39,119 --> 02:12:43,319
Yeah, it's fight listen. It
was meant to be fun and I'm determined

1713
02:12:43,359 --> 02:12:48,000
to keep it fun. But seriously, it's you know, there's a guy

1714
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:52,039
on my on my group at the
moment called Caleb Waller. I've just discovered

1715
02:12:52,079 --> 02:12:56,720
it's not a real person. He's
he's saying all sorts of nonsense, and

1716
02:12:58,079 --> 02:13:01,680
I'm proven him wrong at every juncture, and he's now admitted it's not he's

1717
02:13:01,720 --> 02:13:05,039
not a real person. And he's
now saying that he's the actual real owner

1718
02:13:05,439 --> 02:13:09,399
of the Ailien autopsy. Right,
And I'm saying, look, I don't

1719
02:13:09,399 --> 02:13:13,479
know if you've got another Ailian autopsy, but here's the thing, right,

1720
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:16,439
do you predate me? No?
I know that for a fact without even

1721
02:13:16,479 --> 02:13:20,039
asking you show me what you've got. Let's discuss it. If you were

1722
02:13:20,039 --> 02:13:24,840
genuine, you wouldn't be coming on
here with fake names and just talking nonsense.

1723
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:31,720
So so, yeah, they're out
there still long long long maye to

1724
02:13:31,800 --> 02:13:35,399
live. Right, Yeah, we'll
get to go and catch up on some

1725
02:13:35,479 --> 02:13:37,439
of that now, Yes, but
it's all there. You're going to have

1726
02:13:37,439 --> 02:13:41,359
fun with it. You're going to
with it. It's pretty it's a job

1727
02:13:41,439 --> 02:13:46,239
keeping up with it, I'll tell
you. Yeah, even though it's constantly

1728
02:13:46,279 --> 02:13:50,279
developing. Yeah, well we'll have
a look. Now there's new stuff gone

1729
02:13:50,279 --> 02:13:56,399
on. So it's just the waller
thing. Is the actual? Is the

1730
02:13:58,199 --> 02:14:03,680
is the actual? The latest funny
bit that's going through it because they bring

1731
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,039
up things and I then show them
the proof. Yeah, and just watch

1732
02:14:07,159 --> 02:14:09,520
what they're doing. And then then
they bring something else up and I show

1733
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:11,760
them the proof. And actually it's
good because it just it strengthens my case.

1734
02:14:13,119 --> 02:14:18,079
That's you never back off from anything. So I know, Okay,

1735
02:14:18,119 --> 02:14:20,800
it's been been, as I say, been fantastic having you back on again.

1736
02:14:20,920 --> 02:14:22,560
We've got to have a good two
hour repic again. That's good.

1737
02:14:24,319 --> 02:14:26,359
Yeah, I'll let you go and
have a drink or so, but you

1738
02:14:26,439 --> 02:14:28,760
must be thank you, you must
thank you very much. Thank you so

1739
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:33,319
much for coming on this point and
finding the time to come on. It's

1740
02:14:33,319 --> 02:14:35,560
been great talking to you. And
as I say, i'll see you in

1741
02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:41,119
anyway, and thank you of yourself. Thank you again, sir. We

1742
02:14:41,159 --> 02:14:45,760
are that a spirits Maloris. Thank
you spirits. Okay. The next show

1743
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:50,640
which goes out on September eighteenth,
and that will be with another returning guest.

1744
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:54,000
That's Neil's story. Now, Neil
has a book coming out just run

1745
02:14:54,119 --> 02:14:58,560
about right this minute. Now and
it's about Brown Stoker, the creator of

1746
02:14:58,600 --> 02:15:03,119
Dracula, and he'll be talking about
that. But also he's been working on

1747
02:15:03,159 --> 02:15:05,520
a UFO project, so we will
be going for one end of a spectrum

1748
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:09,279
to another, from Dracula to UFOs, so that should be quite an interesting

1749
02:15:09,279 --> 02:15:13,279
show. I should be looking forward
to that one in between now and then.

1750
02:15:13,279 --> 02:15:16,039
If you lot to get in touch
with me, my email addresses David

1751
02:15:16,119 --> 02:15:22,239
Young two q IN at yahoo dot
co dot UK. That's David Young two

1752
02:15:22,319 --> 02:15:26,760
q N at yahoo dot co dot
UK. So until the next show on

1753
02:15:26,840 --> 02:15:31,359
September the eighteenth with Neil Story,
look after yourselves, David Young signing out,

1754
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:35,560
goodbye for now. I took it
for granted, you'll target for granted.

1755
02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:39,840
In science, nothing has ticking for
granted. Look what are we going

1756
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:45,640
to do, my dear is your
Paranormal Dimensions is as bright and powerful as

1757
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:50,199
our celestial star us up and although
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1758
02:15:50,199 --> 02:16:01,199
minute of the day, have no
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1759
02:16:01,279 --> 02:17:03,840
completed during this time period. Panormal
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1760
02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:05,280
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