1 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:53,479 The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen. 2 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:00,679 Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode out of the Paranormal Project Radio 3 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:06,079 Show. I am your host, Scott Allen and I'm here with my lovely 4 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:08,280 co host, Christina Bowen. How are you, my friend? I have 5 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:14,359 fabulous cool but fabulous Yeah, you know. I mean people probably won't know, 6 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:18,359 but it was snowing the last time we did a show together, and 7 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:23,760 that's because it was about an hour ago. We put two and this show 8 00:01:23,799 --> 00:01:26,920 has recorded as well. This is two in one day. But we've got 9 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,799 a lot of travels coming up, don't we We do, we do. 10 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,959 I'm excited about it. Just trying to have some things. So the next 11 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:40,840 week we're at the Lone Star para con and then we are we're going to 12 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,280 be in New Orleans together, going to Naples. There's a lot of stuff 13 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,519 going on, so it's good to have a few of these shows that we 14 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:53,760 can plug in and so and so I'm excited to be here and to have 15 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:59,519 this opportunity to meet with our guests. Now you've heard of the Lockness Monster 16 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:06,959 in Scotland, but today we're going to talk about the Monster of Lake Champlain, 17 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:10,759 Champion. I'm excited to hear this. Yeah, now I am too, 18 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,719 because we have our own and I feel like, and we'll talk to 19 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,400 our guests about this, But I feel like people don't talk about Champion as 20 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:22,120 much as they talk about Locknest. I think Locknett seems to be a little 21 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:25,400 more notorious. But we're gonna bring We're gonna we're gonna change that tonight because 22 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:30,599 I really am interested to see what this is all about and what kind of 23 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:38,000 evidence she's had. So our guest is probably the most well known champion researcher 24 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:44,639 anywhere around, so I'm going to bring her out. Katie Elizabeth, Welcome 25 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,520 to the show. How are you hi? Good guys, how you doing? 26 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:50,800 I got my cat here as he was hogging the thing earlier. He 27 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,680 wants all the attention. But they're good. They're good. We've had a 28 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,159 bunch of pets on the show, so they just kind of like walk around 29 00:02:58,199 --> 00:03:01,400 into it. Yeah, what do you say? Christina has this, you 30 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:08,680 know, one hundred and fifty pound German shepherd that sometimes walk as sensitive about 31 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:15,240 his weight. But aren't we all aren't we all call him a large boy? 32 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:22,560 Yeah? Katie, how did you get involved with studying and researching Champ? 33 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,639 Oh? God, it was a long time ago. I'm thirty eight 34 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:29,680 now. I know in the future, I'm probably not going to reveal my 35 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:34,120 age anymore after this. But when I was, when I was seven years 36 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:37,719 old, is when I started my fascination with Champ and other late creatures as 37 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:42,680 well. I was watching an episode of Unsolved Mysteries that was hosted by the 38 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:46,439 great Robert Stack. Back in that time. He was the absolute best. 39 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:50,319 I mean, no one will ever replace him, as I mean David far 40 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:53,199 Dennis Farina, excuse me, Dennis Farina was very good too, but something 41 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:59,199 about Robert Stack that just made the program. So I was I was watching 42 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,080 that and I saw the famous Sandermancy photo that was taken in nineteen seventy seven 43 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,680 of this long neck twisted around at the side, and I was totally fascinated, 44 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:13,759 and I yelled to my mom, Mom, I wanted to go see 45 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:16,759 this late creature, this dinosaur of sorts, and she was like, what 46 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:21,120 in the world are you watching? So I said, can we go? 47 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,839 Can we go? And I knew it was in New England and I lived 48 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:28,480 in Rhode Island. The Ocean state at the time. So I pulled out 49 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:33,120 the old Rand McNally map before we had GPS, and I kind of estimated 50 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,600 that it would be about four and a half five hours. And my mom 51 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:40,720 never really liked to bring me many places back then. I mean, we 52 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:45,959 went to Massachusetts and Connecticut and we didn't even go to Maine at that point. 53 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,839 Like, my mom didn't like to drive far and she worked a lot 54 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:50,600 too, So I'll give her that credit because if she watches that, she's 55 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:57,120 gonna shoot me because I'm dissinger a little bit. But yeah, that's what 56 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:01,199 started my fascination with Champs. So I went to my library school and tried 57 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,920 to find every book that I could on NeSSI on Champ and I did find 58 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,959 a couple of books. One was A Champ Beyond the Legend by Joseph Zarzinski, 59 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,240 a former Champ researcher, and the other one, I'm trying to remember 60 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,000 it was a lot next book. I think it was by Tim Dinsdale, 61 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,680 who was one of my idols, great guy and very hands on, very 62 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:25,600 much how I am today with the field research because we have a lot of 63 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:31,079 armchair researchers, which are really great because they're really good at collecting the reports 64 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:34,639 and getting them out there and that sort of thing. But the fuel work 65 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:40,800 is my passion because I believe that in order to make new discoveries, you 66 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:43,600 have to put your boots on the ground and get out there and do the 67 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,279 hard work, or else you're gonna rehash the same stuff the mancip photo. 68 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:51,199 How many times can you rehash that over and over? So that's how I 69 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:58,000 got started, and then in twenty twelve, I was actually working for a 70 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,759 normal group. At the time, as much as I love the parent normal, 71 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,399 I don't deal with it anymore because I've had a lot of things that 72 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:10,120 had followed me home and not the greatest experiences at times because I'm very expensive, 73 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,879 so I kind of gave up on that. I mean, I might 74 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:17,079 still dabble a little bit, but I'm very careful. So at the time, 75 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:20,319 my friends were like, let's go on a trip somewhere different, and 76 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,399 I'm like, well, let's go to Lake Champlain because it's a place I 77 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:27,759 always wanted to go. And as soon as I got out of that car, 78 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,319 I had tears in my eyes because I felt like I was home. 79 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,040 It was the weirdest thing. So that's how I got started. And actually 80 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:40,959 my second day there, I had my first encounter of something I could not 81 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:45,279 explain out in the bay. So it was really weird because I'm thinking, 82 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,000 what are the chance of me seeing something right off the bat on my trip, 83 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:54,199 because people spent a lifetime there and never seen anything, So it was 84 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,800 really weird to me, and I just I was looking out at the bay 85 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:01,720 and there was a bilboat moored in the background to use for scale size. 86 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:06,519 I saw this black thing rise to the surface of the water and it went 87 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:11,879 very casually from left to right. And growing up in the Ocean State, 88 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,480 my dad was a fisherman, so I was very familiar with seeing whales and 89 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:21,079 dolphins and all types of phenomenon that are natural logs, floating otters and stuff 90 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,519 like that. Boat wakes is a very common thing that a lot of people 91 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:30,000 think they're seeing a lake monster, and it's just boat wakes. So when 92 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,000 I saw this thing, I was just in total awe. I had a 93 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,839 couple of friends with me that were in the background eating their breakfast, and 94 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:40,959 they were like, oh, that's cool, Like they weren't even interesting because 95 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:44,560 they wanted to go out to look for bigfoot and I wanted to look for 96 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,759 champs. So they were just I don't know, they had no interest in 97 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:53,240 it whatsoever. But one of my friends that was with me at the time, 98 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,920 he was sitting with me and he witnessed it as well. So I 99 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,720 ran to the car to get my camera because I didn't have my camera on 100 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:01,560 hand because I didn't think I was going to see anything the second day there, 101 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,920 I mean, come on. So I ran on my camera and it 102 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,920 was gone, and I was just like so angry about it, and I 103 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:11,959 said, you know, this is it. This is where I'm going to 104 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:20,680 start getting my own equipment going. I actually had built a hydrophone system kind 105 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,360 of with a Pisio mic at the time, and I put it in a 106 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,959 PBC pipe and I used JB. Weld to go around. I did all 107 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:35,120 kinds of stuff, I kind of everything. What would you use that for 108 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:41,279 for? The hydrophone? Hydrophone hydrophone is just underwater recording system that records underwater 109 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,799 sounds. They use it for cetacean research with whales and dolphins. You can 110 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:52,559 also use it for listening for any type of seismic activity with earthquakes and stuff 111 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,360 like that. Very very sensitive microphone, so I built my own little jury 112 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,279 rigged microphone. At the time, I didn't get anything kind of I looked 113 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,759 back at it and it sucked, but hey, it was an idea and 114 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:09,720 I was trying to maguiver it at the time. Yeah, so that's how 115 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:16,879 I got started. And then because that I truly know this for a fact, 116 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:22,679 when you see something that you can't explain and you have that I've always 117 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,360 had a passion for mysteries anyway, ever since I was a little girl, 118 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,000 I've had I've had paranormal experiences. I don't really talk about it much now 119 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,159 because I'm in the cryptid field now, but I've had some really strange things 120 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:37,639 happen when I when I was really little, we lived in a house that 121 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,200 was haunted for quite some time. And I don't know. I just think 122 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:46,519 that when you have an open mind like that, these things seem to gravitate 123 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:50,399 towards you for sure. And I think it's because some people they don't have 124 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,600 blinders on. They have a whole range all around them, eyes behind their 125 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:56,399 head, I always say, and I'm one of those types of people. 126 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,279 I noticed the damnedest things that other people's don't that they don't notice. They're 127 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,159 like, how the hell did you see that? So that's just my nature, 128 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,440 I guess. So what if you discovered you know, what is the 129 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:18,559 biggest aha thing that you've learned from your own your own research. I mean, 130 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:24,039 there's a few things that I've gathered over the last eleven years. What's 131 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:31,519 really interesting. We captured echolocation multiple times in Lake Champlain. The echolocation was 132 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,799 the first, basically the first thing that I had captured in a slew of 133 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,559 things. And when that happened, I had heard before that there was echolocation 134 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:46,039 recorded there, and I had worked with a woman named Elizabeth von Mugginhaler that 135 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:52,480 was on quite a few Discovery Channel programs where she had recorded echolocation in the 136 00:10:52,559 --> 00:11:01,240 lake. And then, okay, echolocation is basically instead of man made sonar 137 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,679 or electronically made. So if you're in a boat and you have a fish 138 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,919 finder, it's putting out a beam of sound and when that beam of sound 139 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,120 hits an object, say a school of fish or a rock or something, 140 00:11:13,159 --> 00:11:18,120 it bounces back and produces an image. So cetations that we know today they 141 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:26,080 use echolocation. Whales and dolphins to navigate the areas to find. Basically, 142 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,679 it's a mental picture. They don't need eyesight. They just use this echo 143 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,919 location. So they put this beam of sound out, it bounces back and 144 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,000 produces a mental image for them. H and they use that too for navigation 145 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:43,960 as well as finding food. So that's echo, that's basically what that is. 146 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:48,559 So during echolocation they make certain clicking noises. So if you're listening to 147 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,799 a type of fish finder, which is kind of the same sonar, you'll 148 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:01,840 hear a constant tick tick. It's not a tic tick tick. It sounds 149 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:05,840 like a clock. It's just a constant beat in between. With echolocation, 150 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,440 it doesn't work that way. You're gonna hear variables up and down because they're 151 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:18,240 they're distributing it out in like a certain pattern to cover all bases versus a 152 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:24,279 regular sonar. That's just a constant, mechanical ticking. So it's the sound 153 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,039 that we had gotten, and that was twenty fourteen. It was very similar 154 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:31,399 to what she had gotten. So I was like, Wow, I'm really 155 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:41,679 onto something here. So I've gotten probably at least fifteen echo location recordings, 156 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,120 I'm guessing because I've got I've got a hard drive external hard drive that's full 157 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,960 of stuff that I haven't even like, I've heard weird things like Okay, 158 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,799 this one's cool. It's a little muffuy, I'm gonna use the best ones 159 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,720 that I got or whatever. So I'm very picky with what I present to 160 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:03,039 the public because I'm very analytical minded as a person. So the video that 161 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,600 I captured at twenty fourteen of a Champ animal crossing Button Bay, I had 162 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,720 gotten that and that when I presented, I got some other videos that were 163 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,639 kind of strange, like disturbances and stuff that weren't boat wakes or anything, 164 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:18,639 but they weren't good enough for me to put out there and say positively, 165 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:24,080 this is a Champ creature. So there really isn't I mean, really, 166 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:30,279 the aha moment for what I've gotten, I would say, is the sonar 167 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,120 pictures and sonar video that I've captured. I mean, the other stuff is 168 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,840 just as great, but it was something totally different. Like I got so 169 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,320 spoiled with getting the echolocation recordings. It was just like hearing a dog barking 170 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:46,039 down the street to me, like it, oh, there's there they are 171 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:52,960 again. So the sonar was interesting because I always said that I wouldn't really 172 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,759 try it because I believe that it's very invasive to the hearing because animals that 173 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:03,120 echo locate have that high sensitive of hearing range. But with people fishing the 174 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,639 lake all the time, they have fishing derbies with hundreds of boats around, 175 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:13,360 they're really used to it, so it's really not as invasive to them as 176 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,639 it could be. Say if people just showed up all of a sudden in 177 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,799 a lake that there wasn't anybody using fish finders, then that would be kind 178 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:22,440 of a different story. So I mean, yeah, I think it is 179 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:28,519 very, very bothering to their ears, but they're getting an immunity to it, 180 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,799 so there's no doubt in your mind that they exist, no doubt my 181 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:39,360 mind, I wouldn't. I'm the type of person if I stick in something 182 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,559 this long, I'm not a believer. I'm a knower, there's no and 183 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:48,200 I'm a very If you talk to some of the people that know me for 184 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,759 a really long time, they're like, this girl is no bs. She 185 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,039 is just a straight shooter. Sometimes it gets me in trouble because of my 186 00:14:54,159 --> 00:15:01,240 mouth. I just I tell the way it is and it's but I mean, 187 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,799 in one way, I can get myself in trouble being like that. 188 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,279 But in another way, I take pride in what I do and I've spent 189 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:13,080 so much time, so much money, so much effort in doing this study, 190 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:16,759 and I've gotten results because I believe when you're dedicated to the things and 191 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,120 you use this, you use your heart to do it, good things are 192 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:26,720 going to come to you. And my idea with the Champ animals is my 193 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:33,200 biggest goal is protection because these animals obviously are not in every lake. There's 194 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:37,559 other lakes around the world that have similar creatures, if not the same, 195 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:41,240 I don't know yet. I'm doing a study on that as well as some 196 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,600 comparisons. But I think the most important thing is the protection. So in 197 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:50,320 twenty nineteen, I wrote a law of protection for the Champ animals and it 198 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,600 was passed unanimously. So that was amazing New York State law, and I 199 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:56,600 was like, wow, I got to say, I've done some really cool 200 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,240 stuff in my life, but I think that was the biggest thing. Yeah, 201 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,759 thank you, I appreciate that. Now you think, I mean, 202 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,039 your belief is that there is more than one. Absolutely, without a doubt, 203 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:15,080 it's not a one creature called champ or champion. It's it's a fan, 204 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,440 it's a whole breed of them, a whole bunch absolutely. I mean, 205 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,679 here's the thing with my echolocation, there's many and not just echolocation. 206 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:30,720 I've also gotten ultra low frequency sounds of communications between I don't know what they 207 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,720 mean. That's the thing with bioacoustics studies of whales and dolphins, for instance, 208 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:40,159 or even alligators. They're starting to learn that alligators communicate underwater, which 209 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,960 is something that bioacousticians never knew. So the study with bioacoustics underwater in particular 210 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,399 are just just the tip of the iceberg. They're starting to figure this stuff 211 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:56,960 out. So with those sounds, I don't know if it's for breeding purposes, 212 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:02,600 territorial reasons some of them, or ultralow frequency. And in water, 213 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:07,880 when you have ultralow frequency, the sound travels further in water, especially salt 214 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,559 water, which we don't have a lake Champlain. What's really interesting is when 215 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:18,880 I've done some bioacoustic studies out in the North Atlantic and down here in off 216 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,240 the coast of Florida too, with whales and dolphins. It's just it's really 217 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:26,960 cool because I can hear for like I would say a ten mile radius versus 218 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:32,839 four or five in Lake Champlain because it's salt water, so I can hear 219 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:36,000 so much further. And I'm like, why can't we have salt water where 220 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:37,559 the lake is? You know, it could be the Champlain Sea again and 221 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,880 I could hear more. So I go in certain places where there have been 222 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,960 sightings and I sit and I listen and it. You know, I love 223 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,400 what I do. But sometimes watching for these animals to pop up or get 224 00:17:51,519 --> 00:17:55,160 any sort of sound is like watching paint dry. It really is. But 225 00:17:55,319 --> 00:17:57,680 the scenery is so worth it. It's beautiful. It's such a peace of 226 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:02,599 mind and meditation from me as well. Why do you think they're so scarce? 227 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:07,279 Why don't more people see them? If the lake is active boats and 228 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:12,240 people, Well, if you look at how do I put this? Okay? 229 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,599 First off, people are looking for one hundred foot long creature. These 230 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,079 animals average size is fifteen to twenty five feet. I've heard of some specimens 231 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,200 up to thirty five. One of the ones that I captured am I sownar 232 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,880 images from twenty nineteen. I would say she's around thirty to thirty five. 233 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:36,960 She is enormous, and with reptiles, now I believe these animals are ectothermic, 234 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,279 whether reptile or amphibians. So with ectotherms, we are, as humans 235 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:48,039 are endothermic. So we can sustain our innercore temperature and we can do that 236 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,680 on our own, but reptiles and amphibians they cannot. So when the water 237 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:57,960 is below fifty degrees fahrenheit, that's when the sightings start to plummet, which 238 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,200 I find interesting. Plus some people say, well, maybe it's because there's 239 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,640 not any tourists on the lake. The tourism compared to Lockness is not the 240 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:11,799 same. You hardly see anything about Champ around the lake. It's the weirdest 241 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:17,079 thing. It's not that popular. Over the last ten twelve years that I've 242 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,000 been doing this, though, I've brought so much awareness about Champ. So 243 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,400 now it's starting to go a little a little bit more haywire, and there's 244 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,440 a little bit more attention to it because of the echo location, the sonar 245 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:33,519 and the video. But it's I mean, how do I put it? 246 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:36,680 People are looking for this one hundred fu long thing like a whale, and 247 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:41,160 they're not that large. There are reports from the eighteen hundreds that these animals 248 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,720 were one hundred plus feet. But my theory is that I think they move 249 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:49,519 in pairs because I've gotten these this I felly it's the same too in this 250 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:56,400 area. So you add thirty feet thirty five feet plus twenty twenty five feet, 251 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:02,880 that's that would look like one massive eacher because they they swim like diagonally 252 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,559 next to each other. And I've got them on the bottom of the lake. 253 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,960 And then three weeks later when I went back, those were gone because 254 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,640 there were some people that are like maybe their logs and all this stuff, 255 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,759 and I said, okay, well I'll go back to try to debunk it 256 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:18,440 and see if those logs are still there. Well, the logs weren't there. 257 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,279 Uh, they were gone, audios. And then further up the lake 258 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,960 as I went, they were swimming under my boat and I got them underneath 259 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,079 the boat. So it's just crazy. I could I cry every time I 260 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:36,240 talk about this stuff, because if if only people knew what's out there, 261 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,559 that they would just they wouldn't go swimming in the lake anymore. They really 262 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:41,920 wouldn't. I don't. I mean, I'll swim in the lake, but 263 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:45,920 I'm more afraid of the lamb prey that are in the lake. They're like 264 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:49,319 these eel type creatures and they got like around. I don't know if you've 265 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:53,119 seen them before, but they're nasty and they will hook onto swimmers too. 266 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,559 Because I want to see what's around me, I don't want that. I 267 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:02,240 don't want to sense it. So there's no doubt in my mind what's in 268 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,599 there. I mean, I am just I feel so privileged to be the 269 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:12,759 voice for them and for the protection. And honestly, I don't give a 270 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,039 rat's tail if anybody believes there's anything in the lake, because it's one less 271 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,519 idiot that's gonna bother them. That's just my opinion. Why do you think 272 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:29,559 the population of them though, hasn't grown well where the lake is just Overbold? 273 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:33,240 Do you know what I mean? Well, you gonna have you ever 274 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:36,480 been to Lake Champlain? Both you guys, have you been? Okay? 275 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:41,880 While Lake Champlain is one hundred and twenty miles long, four hundred feet deep, 276 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:45,119 they say it it's deepest there's I beg to differ on that one because 277 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,200 there are some caves and tunnels. I know a scuba diver who's seen some 278 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:52,839 crazy things down there. I also dive myself, but I haven't. I 279 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,240 haven't gone in the lake yet for diving. Maybe maybe one of these days. 280 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,039 The visibility can be quite poor in places, and I don't really want 281 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,559 one sneaking up to me and I'll be like, oh crap, now what 282 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:11,559 do I do? But with a lake that large, you're you're not gonna 283 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:17,720 see them like being ramped. I think that these animals know they're primordial. 284 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,160 They know when there's people around. They got a high sensitivity of hearing as 285 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,359 well. So boat goes by, They're like, oh, screw you, 286 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,519 I'm going down to the bottom. That's what they did on the first sonar 287 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,039 image that I got. Plus they are blackish brown in color, and there's 288 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:33,920 been many reports of people thinking that they were going to hit a log. 289 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,519 They're like, oh no, because they're just like stealth like this. And 290 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:41,079 I think they do that because they don't want anybody to know what they are. 291 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:45,240 They're animals like that. Alligators are the same way you go out into 292 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:49,920 the swamps. I'm down in Florida and Central Florida and I've got an airboat 293 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,519 and I'm working on that. That's another project. So I've gone out and 294 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,200 watched alligator behavior, and they'll do the same. They'll just sit their stealth 295 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,039 and then all of a sudden they might just get a spook and then take 296 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,880 off like a shot. And that's what's happened too with a lot of the 297 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,359 sightings that fishermen are out and they're they're like, oh crap, don't hit 298 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,920 that log. It's gonna ruin our prop. And the guy looks over and 299 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,200 splash gone. They're like, holy crap, I thought that was a log. 300 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,559 So they blend right in with their surroundings. They have a way of 301 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:25,440 camouflage, and animals have a way. It's just like tree frogs. When 302 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,200 you see them on a white table, they'll turn that white. It's amazing. 303 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:33,799 H They blend in. Yeah, And if there's if there's a lot 304 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,119 of waves, they're almost impossible to see. That's why when it's really windy 305 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,759 at the lake, I usually don't bother to be honest. When it's calm 306 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:45,279 like glass, that's when you're gonna get more reports because it's easier to see 307 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:49,680 them. Do you think they look like what the drawings are? You know, 308 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,000 you see like the long neck like a prosaurus from the you know, 309 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:57,319 whatever that dinosaur is am I talking? Am I talking Fred Flintstone? Or 310 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:06,160 is that a real dinas Well? Brannosaurs where basically land and everything. Is 311 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,519 that what they are? Are they not pleasiest sore like, yes, very 312 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,960 much so. In my sonar images and video you can see the long neck 313 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,160 in front of them with appendages. But what what's really strange about the appendages 314 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:23,200 is most people think of pleasiot sore which have really big flippers, and there's 315 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:27,200 been even on my sonar you can see the appendage moved back and it's basically 316 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:32,880 like a webbed foot, which is very prominent in crocodiles, alligators, long 317 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,240 necked turtles. There's different species of long neck turtles and they had it looks 318 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:40,960 like a flipper, but there's you got the digits in between and then you 319 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:45,480 have the webbing all around it. So yeah, that's that's the one difference 320 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:51,799 between them. Their neck is basically like a piston. So have you ever 321 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:57,240 seen a soft shelled turtle like strike at somebody though it's crazy, Yes, 322 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,839 and they have that ability. That's an ambush predator. So I think for 323 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,920 the most part what they do is they sit on the bottom when fisher going 324 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,880 by, and just like snap snap them back, because in my sonar video 325 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,799 and pictures you can see that there's like a wrinkle on the back of that 326 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,079 one animal's net, like a couple of wrinkles where he's kind of pulled back 327 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,920 like this. So he could probably extend his neck maybe three feet even longer 328 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,279 than what it looks like on that. So they're very strange. I don't 329 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:34,880 think they're a pleasiest store. They're probably related to them, but the morphology 330 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:40,160 compared to anything in our known fossil record, they are not quite the same. 331 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,359 They have some differences, so I don't know if it's evolutionary adaptation where 332 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,839 their morphology is changing with their environment over time. I have a feeling that 333 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:53,319 might be what we're dealing with, but there's nothing in our known fossil record 334 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,880 to match them completely. There's some features the long neck and that sort of 335 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,559 thing, but they're they're a little they're a little different than what we know 336 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,960 of, which is if we could find a fossil of one, it would 337 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:10,480 just that's one goal that I hope to find something right down, even they're 338 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:14,359 washed up or anything. We don't know anything like that, and I think 339 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,359 the reason for that, if you you guys ever watch Swamp People History Channel 340 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:30,200 judam So And actually I'm friends with one of the guys that's on the show, 341 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,559 Frenchy Crochet. He hasn't been on the recent season, but I know 342 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,519 Frenchy very well. They when they go out there, and sometimes they'll they'll 343 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,079 shoot a gator out in open water, and if you ever noticed, as 344 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,680 soon as they shoot the gator, they have to go right to it and 345 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:49,240 grab it and pull it into the boat because it's gonna sing sink. And 346 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,720 I think with these animals being extremely muscular, because in my twenty fourteen video 347 00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:00,079 it was analyzed by the Science Channel and by were like, what the hell 348 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,759 is this? All they could think of was an alligator, And it's like, 349 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,319 well, alligators don't move in vertical undulation. They don't have this quivering 350 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,279 of the skin, which indicates that they have a high mass of muscle. 351 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,599 So any animal which is very much like an alligator, because they have a 352 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,960 ton of muscle, they're going to sink right to the bottom very quickly. 353 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:23,200 And in the winter time, I think these animals go into a torpora like 354 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:29,440 state where they like the turtles do. Some turtles will bury themselves partially in 355 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:34,440 the mud are completely slow down to less than one heartbeat per minute. So 356 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:41,039 I think during that time it's giving the lake time to replenish food. A 357 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:44,279 lot of people say, is there enough food Lake Champlain, But we have 358 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,039 over three hundred thousand acres of marshland and these animals have been seen in the 359 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,519 marsh systems, particularly at night time, with eyeshine which is taped to loose 360 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:57,359 seed them. So they I think they're opportunistic feeders. I think they eat 361 00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:06,960 vegetation as well as a carnivorous diet with fish and waterfowl. Interesting. Yes, 362 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,880 they're moving outside of their environment into the swampy area. Yes, there's 363 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:18,640 been like a lot of reports reports of four toed webbed footprints, which is 364 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,920 another thing that supports the webbed foot idea. So I've done a lot of 365 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:29,440 research. Yes, of the water, Yes, across roads, and that's 366 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,359 been seen at Lochness as well. By the way, I wasn't Yes, 367 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:38,960 I love cryptids. I'm sorry, but that's a good question, Christina, 368 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,039 because you know, we call them cryptids, but are they or are they 369 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:48,680 just animals that we haven't seen yet. I don't know, and I think 370 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,200 of cryptied I think of paranormal. I think of otherworldly. You know, 371 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,839 we talk about that with Big Four, some more mythological mythological, although Bigfoot, 372 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,200 if he exists, is he I mean from somewhere else? Is there? 373 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:04,680 I mean we've heard all every theory in the book, and you know, 374 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,240 to a certain extent, you know, we talk about lockedness and Champion 375 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,960 that way as well. But maybe they're not. Maybe they are just real 376 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,680 animals, you know, they're they're they're animals. They're not paranormal. They're 377 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,640 not cryptics, they're not cryptids, they're not mythological. They're just animals. 378 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,720 We don't know enough about all. Yeah, well, to think that we 379 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:37,799 know every single creature and can identify it is a huge ego. But I 380 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,799 mean think because we don't. I mean, look at the ocean. We 381 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:48,400 are constantly finding new animals. They're finding you know, new new classifications of 382 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,839 fish and things all the time that we just didn't know about. So I 383 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,839 think it's very very possible. Yeah, that's absolutely true. It's I mean, 384 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,720 there's just so much out there that we're discovering every year new species. 385 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,680 I mean, there was a I'm trying to get my fact street here because 386 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720 I only read a little bit of the article, but I saw it briefly 387 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,279 on Facebook and then I did repost it. That was a couple of weeks 388 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:18,200 ago. There was a fossil of a dragon like creature that was found in 389 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:23,680 Japan and nobody it doesn't fit into anything in our own fossil record. So 390 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:30,359 now we have something in the fossil record that's totally different than any other dinosaur 391 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:34,920 like creature or dragon like creature, which I found amazing, and I said, 392 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,640 well, see, this is the show. We don't know everything. 393 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,799 There's so many layers underneath the ground that we haven't even began to explore. 394 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,759 So there's a lot of stuff out there for sure. And I mean, 395 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,359 I hope one day I find something like that of a champ animal because it's 396 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,480 like, hello, I told you, I told you this stuff was here, 397 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:03,240 I mean out and sticks his head out. Yeah yeah. So yeah, 398 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,079 it's it's really fascinating and it definitely keeps me going. It's it's definitely 399 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,559 my passion and what I love to do. And I really believe that in 400 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,759 the next few years, I think there's gonna be a big revelation because I've 401 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,920 already gotten echo location so onar video, I would like to get ahead and 402 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:26,000 neck video. The problem with video, though, is there's so much fakery 403 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,440 going on, and I mean, I'm sent it to the Jet Propulsion Lab 404 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,680 at NASA and be like, here, you know, check this out and 405 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,240 tell me. You know, I want to show that because everything I've gutten 406 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:44,559 has been stated authentic, and I just take I take so much pride in 407 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,039 that because I'm this little, short girl of a person and the lake is 408 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,119 so huge, and when you see drone footage of my boat from up above 409 00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:59,079 and how tiny we look, it's like, holy crap. I mean, 410 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,000 it's just amazing, isn't it. It's just crazy. It's like it's I 411 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:06,759 feel like an ant I feel so small, and it's I think, if 412 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,680 you put your mind into something and you use your heart, you sky's the 413 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,160 limit. It really is. And I think, I really think that something's 414 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,920 going to happen pretty soon with this. With DNA. I did do a 415 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:23,039 DNA type of testing with a TV show. The problem is we don't have 416 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:30,400 anything to go by in a way, because like I said, so, 417 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,880 I'm thinking either reptile or amphibian unknown is probably going to be the best thing 418 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,880 that we're gonna find. It's going to take a lot of money to do 419 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:44,720 it. It's something that i'm working on right now, but I have a 420 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,359 feeling that we're going to get some really good results with that. Eventually. 421 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:52,039 I think we need more samples more. I think more than one lab involved 422 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:59,400 with larger databases with reptiler and phibian and there are and the difficult part about 423 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,359 reptile an amphibian type of DNA is that it's very hard to detect it. 424 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,240 But I have some connections down here in Florida which is really interesting and I'm 425 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:15,039 working on this. There's specific ways to test for reptile or amphibian DNA, 426 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,039 so I'm working on that. So it's because they don't shed like snakes, 427 00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,400 shed like crazy like pythons. They're doing testing down here on the invasive pythons 428 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:30,319 in the Everglades. They do shed, but for some reason sometimes they can't 429 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,119 detect that in some of the water samples. So I'm definitely going in the 430 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,839 right direction with getting together with certain people that know how to do the protocol. 431 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,559 Because the last time I did a TV show and they did the testing, 432 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,680 it was during COVID and I think the samples got degraded a little bit 433 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,160 because they didn't know what the heck they were doing. You're supposed to put 434 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,160 it through a certain five filter and all these things, and they didn't know 435 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,440 anything about it. And I told them as soon as as soon as you 436 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:04,480 get back, like take the water samples to the hotel and put them in 437 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,920 a freezer because they need to be frozen right away. And I don't I 438 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,920 have a feeling they didn't do it because the only DNA that they found was 439 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,199 muskelunge, which is a type of very large fish, kind of like a 440 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,880 pike. That was good though, because they're endangered in Lake Champlain, so 441 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,159 that was kind of a nice thing that shows that they're replenishing, they're coming 442 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:31,519 back. They didn't they didn't find otter DNA. They didn't find waterfowl DNA. 443 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,480 So that's stuff that's in the lake all the time. So that shows 444 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,119 me that it's not right. Yeah, that's going to be in your average 445 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:46,280 pool. You're gonna exactly exactly there you go. So they're not finding it 446 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,400 now you're in Florida, they're not finding it down there, meaning meaning you 447 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,119 know what we're seeing at Lake Champlain we're not seeing them because they would compete 448 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,039 with some of the gators and things like that. I mean, I feel 449 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:02,840 like it'd be more obvious if they were in bodies of water, you know, 450 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,079 in Florida, we're seeing them more like up north. Where else have 451 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:12,599 you seen them? Well, personally but people, And I was gonna say, 452 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480 I've only seen Champ. I hate to break the tea. I wish 453 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,880 I saw Morag and Nessie and og Pogo. That would be freaking awesome. 454 00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:28,320 But there are lakes across the latitude, the Boreal Force Belt, so the 455 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,960 northern part of our globe that these animals have been seen. So you have 456 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:37,599 Lake Okanagan, Lockness, Lake Champlain. Over in Scotland, there's a ton 457 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:42,800 of locks where there's been some sightings. Uh, Locke more Are that's another 458 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,280 one that I'm going to be traveling probably in September, to Lochness and Mara. 459 00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:52,039 So Morah is the way you're supposed to say it in Scottish, and 460 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,760 my Scottish friends probably still gonna say that I didn't say it right, But 461 00:35:55,079 --> 00:36:02,760 Americans say more are things. So there's like tons of these lakes that have 462 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:10,239 similar creatures in them. I've never been to, but I want to try 463 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,519 some of the protocol that I've used a Lake Champlaine to see if I can 464 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:17,199 get echo location and do a comparison, and if we get something similar, 465 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,360 that means they're either the same species or something very closely related. So it's 466 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,440 going to be an adventure to go over there in September and check out Lockness 467 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:32,360 and Lockmarle. It's gonna be really cool. I'm excited. That is gonna 468 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,480 be cool. And it's beauty. Have you ever been You ever been there? 469 00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,719 I hadn't been. No, so beautiful. I've not been to Locknest, 470 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,480 but I've been through the locks in the Highlands and it's just so beautiful. 471 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,400 Oh God, I can't wait. It's gonna be great. And there's 472 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,760 a lot of fairy lore and stuff them all into the fairy stuff and hell 473 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,159 yeah, yeah yeah. We were just talking about the fairies a little while 474 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:58,960 ago. I was in a cave in Scotland a couple of years ago and 475 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,159 it was just really odd because this cave there are supposedly a lot of fairies 476 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:07,000 there and people will come and leave offerings to the fairies and if you're mean 477 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,639 and they follow you home, and they're not very nice to you. They're 478 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:12,880 not like night. It's not tinker Bell, you know what I mean. 479 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:16,719 It's a different kind of fairy. So I was taking pictures throughout and you 480 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,320 know, I just had my I just had my cell phone, that's it. 481 00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:23,079 And when I went back and looked at the photos, they were all 482 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,400 like this, and then there was one that was upside down. This guy 483 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,840 was at the tree. Was you can't take an upside down photo with an 484 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:38,960 iPhone, that's crazy, But I did. And I'm not saying it's paranormal. 485 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:43,440 I'm just saying I have no idea how that happened because all I was 486 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,119 doing was snapping like this. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't trying 487 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:52,639 to do any acrobat Well, it's funny because I had a friend from Ireland. 488 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,440 He passed away a few years ago, but I remember telling him because 489 00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:00,480 he was all into the the water horses, helpies is what they call these 490 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:06,000 creatures over in Celtic lore, and he was all into that stuff. And 491 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,239 I remember he had told me a story about his grandfather, his uh no, 492 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,400 his uncle, not his grandfather's uncle, Seamus, and he lived in 493 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,440 County Cabin Ireland and you have to look it up on the map. I 494 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:22,519 think it might be kind of in the center is where he was. His 495 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:28,880 Ireland's huge So he was telling me when he was a child there there was 496 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,840 a there was a tree on the property of his uncle Seamus's farm, and 497 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,440 he had told one of the workers not to cut this tree down because there 498 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:43,039 was a fairy ring around it with the mushrooms, the fairy ring that was 499 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:47,079 going around his tree. So I guess the guy didn't listen and he cut 500 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:52,280 the tree down, and the like the worst stuff happened to this guy and 501 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:58,119 his machine, like his bulldozer machine, whatever the heck it was. It 502 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,039 disappeared and they never found it, like it just poof, it was gone. 503 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,880 So when you told me that story, I was like, get the 504 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,960 hell out. And then I started looking into the stories of leprechauns and fairies 505 00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:14,719 and the fairy fa and it was just like that's happened a lot. So 506 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,320 it makes you wonder what is out there with that spiritual realm, that that 507 00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:25,400 other veil that we don't know about that's coming through It's it's really weird. 508 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:30,840 So I don't know. He was totally adamant about this story, and I've 509 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,119 heard similar stories to that afterwards. So that was a fun little story that 510 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,599 my friend Jim told me a long time ago. We had a woman on 511 00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:43,079 the show last week who said, and she she's she's a medium, and 512 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,800 you know, she's she's been to lily Dale and all these other places that 513 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,119 are very spiritual. She claims she's seen them with her eyes, and I 514 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,199 said, not your mind, not your mind's eye, right, No, 515 00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:59,320 like with my eyes, I've seen them. And you know, the only 516 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,639 fairy I've flew out of Cinderella's castle right over the Magic Kingdom. That's the 517 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:10,400 only ferry I've ever seen. But I find it. There was a thing 518 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:17,480 a documentary that I saw sometime back and someone I think it was trying to 519 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:22,320 remember. I think it was near County Cork, which is I had a 520 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,480 little bit Irish background, very very old though, like a long time ago 521 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,880 that I got in my DNA test that I got done, and it was 522 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,639 Killarney and County Cork. But someone had found this little leather shoe out in 523 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:39,079 a field and they're like, oh, maybe it's a doll shoe. So 524 00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:44,400 they actually I think they sent it to excuse me, the Smithsonian or somewhere 525 00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,480 like that, and they had it like put under a microscope and it was 526 00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:52,920 like better than what a cobbler would do, Like it wasn't a doll shoe. 527 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,840 And they were like, what the hell? And I don't know where 528 00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:00,679 that is shoe? Yeah exactly, and they they think they and they said 529 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,639 it was made out of mouse skin, So I was like, what the 530 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,159 hell? So that was really freaky. Yeah. I could send you the 531 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,559 link to that later. It was really really weird. And I'm like, 532 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,719 and I learned that when I was a kid. I read about that in 533 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,039 a book and I thought maybe it was bogus, and then I happened to 534 00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:20,679 see it on a documentary not too long ago and confirm that it was. 535 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,119 It was a real thing that happened and the family of the guy, I 536 00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:28,079 don't know who the gentleman's name was, but they still have the shoe, 537 00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:31,280 but nobody really talks about it. And that's all I know. It's kind 538 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,239 of a secret to wear it. I like to see it because that's crazy 539 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,480 and it's crazy. So do you do you think you know, it's sort 540 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:46,159 of getting back to our topic, but do you think that let's say Bigfoot 541 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,400 as an example, and I know, I don't know that you've done a 542 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,079 lot with that. You know, sasquatches and Bigfoot. Do you feel that 543 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:55,559 they're the same When I say the same, obviously they're not. They're not 544 00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:00,480 the same animal, but the same situation. But they're just anbler. Do 545 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:05,519 you think there is a paranormal component to the big fit and Sasquatches? I 546 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:12,920 think with champ and Bigfoot, I think that there's sort of a protective bubble 547 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:20,039 around them. I believe that they're basically biological. But what's really interesting about 548 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:27,039 the late creatures and also the Sasquatch is that the Native Americans they have this 549 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,000 thing. Well, first of all, with Native Americans there, I've been 550 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,480 around a lot. I've got a lot of Native friends, and they were 551 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:38,679 seeing real creatures. They're not making this stuff up. And what's really interesting 552 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,840 with the water horses and the kelpies, and then you have that's in Celtic 553 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,199 lore. Then you have the horned serpents here with the Native Americans. Then 554 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,360 you have the hippocampus, which is Roman and Greek mythology. Then you have 555 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,559 the Scandinavians who have these serpents in the front of their ship. These people 556 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,280 didn't know each other, so to me, they were seeing real animals. 557 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,639 I mean, as a person who's seen the Champ animals myself and gutting the 558 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,119 data that I have, it's like, holy crap, Like these animals are 559 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,599 all over the place. Probably not as populated as they were at the time, 560 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:19,960 I'm sure, but with Bigfoot and also the late creatures, I think 561 00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,639 that they're biological, but I think that there is some sort of protection around 562 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:30,199 them from the Native Americans in a way. Because when I had gotten my 563 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,400 sonar images, it was really crazy. Because my friend Frank passed away a 564 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,519 few years ago. He had he had a sighting back in nineteen eighty of 565 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,519 one on the beach, and that's how I met him. I was over 566 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,079 at a Champ event and he came up to me and says, I got 567 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:51,400 to tell you about my sighting because I've never told anybody about this. So 568 00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:54,840 that's how him and I became friends. And he was part Cherokee Natives. 569 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,559 So when we went out to do research, he said, well, I 570 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,079 asked him. I said, hey, can you do me a big favor? 571 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:07,480 Can you take the sage out and do like a blessing because anytime around 572 00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:13,159 Lake Champlain, the Abenaki and the Iroquois would throw out tobacco and do a 573 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,719 blessing to appease the creatures, to allow them a safe passage. So I 574 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,639 said, well, they're probably something to this. I really believe in the 575 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,360 native stuff, so I said, let's let's do some little ceremony. So 576 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,199 we did, and that's when we get the sonar and I was like, 577 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,239 holy crap. It was like it broke that bubble, that protective bubble, 578 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:37,320 because the natives say that the chant animals were created by the Creator to protect 579 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,280 Lake Champlain and only those who will not do them harm will see them. 580 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:50,199 And I'm about for like to hurt you. Yeah, And that's what I 581 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,199 think is the spiritual aspect. I don't think that they're that they're paranormal per 582 00:44:54,280 --> 00:45:00,800 se, but there's definitely something around them and they I think that because I 583 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,880 have that respect for nature and have that respect for them, that I've been 584 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,199 damn lucky with what I've gotten, that's for sure. Yeah, it's pretty 585 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,760 amazing, But you know, it's a lot like you know, Christina, 586 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,400 I mean, we talk about this a lot, right, And I think 587 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,840 it's the intention, and I think some way the universe knows who you are 588 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:27,079 and what you're all about. I have I for the I mean, look, 589 00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:30,239 we watch all these ghost hunting shows, right and they go and they 590 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920 try to get an e VP on something, and you know, you listen 591 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,199 to it and you're like, Okay, well this sort of sounds like that 592 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,519 maybe yeah, And then they come through on my radio show and say, 593 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:45,679 Hi, Scott, we've had that happen. They do have crazy. I 594 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:52,559 get messages coming through the radio through the radio show that are as clear as 595 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:58,760 you talking to me today. I can put in Indiana, we heard your 596 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,960 name how many times? All the time, all the time when I was 597 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,079 doing my paranormal work and stuff. There's some episodes on YouTube that I can 598 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:13,039 send. And the other team members they were a lot older than me, 599 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,239 and they kind of thought maybe I was hearing stuff that they weren't because I 600 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,599 was younger, because of mosquito tone. The mosquito tone thing where higher frequency 601 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,480 younger people can hear it but older people can't. I can still hear the 602 00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,840 same mosquito tone. I was twenty eight years old when this happened. I'm 603 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,239 thirty eight, so it's really weird. But what's really interesting about it is 604 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,559 we were getting EVPs that they weren't hearing, but I was hearing. And 605 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,599 then when we played back the recording, there it is. And those are 606 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,480 still on YouTube, which is crazy. So I'll send you the link to 607 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:52,159 those. And it was really creepy though, because it was like anytime we 608 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,440 go anywhere, they'd be like they would get something Katie or hi, Katie, 609 00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,920 Hey, and I'm like, no, why does it have to be 610 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:04,000 me? And it's just I just think they just know they know that the 611 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,360 no I think when you have a true heart, they're they're right there and 612 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,400 they're like, hey, this is someone I can talk to. So if 613 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,079 you know that they know who can who will be able to understand them, 614 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:22,280 hear them, and and and believe that it's them and not just you know, 615 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,440 there's some people that just in no way, you know what I mean, 616 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,880 There's no way. And I feel like this is more energetic, just 617 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:36,199 the same way children and animals will just run to certain people they know not 618 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,679 to fear them, they know they're a safe person. They can feel that 619 00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:44,320 that That's kind of where my brain goes with this. Oh it happens to 620 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,000 me. I'm like an animal and kid magnet. I'm like, what the 621 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,639 heck. It's like some kid in the grocery store just comes up and hangs 622 00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,079 on to my leg. I'm like, what do I do? You know 623 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,840 there's some animal that's some dog that's running down the street that somebody lost. 624 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,880 It's it's I used to have like dogs show up at my house, Like 625 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,960 why the hell are they coming to my house? So they know the neighbor 626 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,199 there you go. See totally, I totally believe that because they they feel 627 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,880 energy so much more than we do. I mean, they put us to 628 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,320 shame with that. They know how you feel, they know all your emotions, 629 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,679 they know a good person from someone that's not so good. They just 630 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,760 next that. Yeah, and I and I think there's a certain amount of 631 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,599 that that goes on in any of this kind of work that we do. 632 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,119 I mean, I don't know that you know any of these champions under the 633 00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:38,360 ocean or under the sea, under the sea, under the lake. Trust 634 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,679 legionly they were originally from the sea, So you're not you're not far off 635 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,679 because it was plain was the arm of the ocean ten thousand plus years ago, 636 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,239 so it was the Champlaine Sea. See, I've heard a theory that 637 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,440 all of these creatures similar to Champy and you know, Nessy, et cetera, 638 00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:02,519 that you know, water did cover so much of the earth and all 639 00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:09,119 of these bodies of water were connected and that's how they ended up in all 640 00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:14,440 of these deep lakes. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean with I mean, 641 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:20,159 we have remnants of ancient species that are still in Lake Champlain as well. 642 00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:22,199 We have the bouf and the gar and the sturgeon. They go back one 643 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:28,159 hundred plus million years and they're still there. So it's like, how the 644 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,119 hell can anybody say like, oh, they're can't They're totally impossible. Well, 645 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:36,079 why are they still there? Then why are the boffin garn sturgeons still 646 00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:42,000 there? And then you think about crocodile's, alligators, snapping turtles, We've 647 00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:50,000 got komodo dragons. There's all kinds of reptile and amphibian species that are primordial 648 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:55,119 that have been here since the mass extinction because they could go into freshwater estuaries 649 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,320 and they survive the kt extinction. So it's like, why is it so 650 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,480 far fetched for a fifteen to thirty foot long creature a population of them, 651 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:08,480 with the crocodiles and alligators and all the things that are still here on this 652 00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:14,239 planet today, Why is that possible? They think of this big whale thing 653 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,599 that's one hundred feet long and it's going to eat people, and it's just 654 00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:22,360 ridiculous. So you got to think of it in logical terms, which is 655 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,880 all they are. They're not monsters. We are the monsters. We're the 656 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:34,480 ones that destroy our planet, destroy everything, and they they are more afraid 657 00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:37,239 of us than we are of them. But you know, we call them 658 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,599 it's just the mess for the fun of it. I guess that's it. 659 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,599 The reality is, I don't I don't think that they are. I think 660 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:51,320 they're just undiscovered. Yeah, I mean, there's gon't been like any stories 661 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,920 of people getting a chunk taken out of their behind or anything like that. 662 00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:00,519 So attacks from these kinds of creatures, I mean there's been some anything they 663 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:02,559 run from us, Yeah, they do. There's been some accounts in like 664 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:09,480 Russia, like, oh god, how do I pronounce it labbit near? 665 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,440 I can't remember. I'm not Russian, so I'm not good with that. 666 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:19,119 But there's been some reports of that creature running ramming boats and stuff. Like 667 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,000 that. I don't know how true they are. I have no idea. 668 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,119 But for the most part, I mean, there's been some reports that people 669 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,599 running into a champ animal and then they just dive down and they're gone. 670 00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:35,440 But nothing really aggressive except for Russia. I don't know. I don't know 671 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,320 if it's just they like to party with too much vodka and they just say 672 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:43,280 everything's attacking them. I have no idea. Let me say this, speaking 673 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,760 of Russian, we're gonna need to because the show, we only have another 674 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,960 two and a half minutes left, so we need to start Russian. It's 675 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:55,159 always a fix. It's always a fast hour. It's not really an hour, 676 00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,519 it's fifty four minutes. It's where we go. So they've got like 677 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,480 minutes left, and so tell us a little bit your website. We've been 678 00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,960 scrolling across the bottom of the page. What are people going to find there? 679 00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,840 What will they learn about you and your work? Will they be able 680 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,440 to see any of your evidence there? Yeah? I actually have some some 681 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:21,280 of the sonar images and video posted on the page. If you go to 682 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,559 our evidence page, you can learn a lot about that stuff. I'm still 683 00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:29,239 kind of working. I'm not that great at keeping up with the main website. 684 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,159 I'm good at Facebook. I'm always on Facebook, as you know, 685 00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:37,239 so Champ search on Facebook. I have several pages. I'm also the president 686 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:43,480 and founder of the International Dragontology Not Dragon with the g's g R A CEO 687 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,840 N t O l O g u y. It's a study of late creatures 688 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:55,960 and so International Dragontology Alliance is another Facebook page, and Katie Elizabeth Cryptozoologists is 689 00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:01,800 another page, and then my personal page Katie Elizabeth. But those pages are 690 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,320 where I put like my everyday videos when I go out on the lake, 691 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:13,840 the live stuff where people can keep up on my research vessel KELPI two where 692 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,920 I have my hydrophone system, my sonar, my underwater cameras and we do 693 00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,960 some live videos and stuff like that which people love to see. So June, 694 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:27,639 July, August is the best time for Champ. So that's usually when 695 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,920 my live videos are going, and I have all kinds of stuff going on 696 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:35,880 there. But my website, my main website with some of the evidence that 697 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,280 I've captured, is www dot Katielizabeth dot org, so they can check that 698 00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:45,719 out. I'm coming I'm coming out with another book, so I've got on 699 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,880 one second, Katie, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to have you back on 700 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,719 to talk about this. We have actually come to the end of our time. 701 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,199 They give us a heart, we can put it in that, we 702 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,480 can put it in the bio. At the end, thank you for being, 703 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,199 thank you for joining us, and you next time on the show. 704 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,119 Have a good night, everybody. 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