The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen.
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode out of the Paranormal Project Radio
Show. I am your host, Scott Allen and I'm here with my lovely
co host, Christina Bowen. How are you, my friend? I have
fabulous cool but fabulous Yeah, you know. I mean people probably won't know,
but it was snowing the last time we did a show together, and
that's because it was about an hour ago. We put two and this show
has recorded as well. This is two in one day. But we've got
a lot of travels coming up, don't we We do, we do.
I'm excited about it. Just trying to have some things. So the next
week we're at the Lone Star para con and then we are we're going to
be in New Orleans together, going to Naples. There's a lot of stuff
going on, so it's good to have a few of these shows that we
can plug in and so and so I'm excited to be here and to have
this opportunity to meet with our guests. Now you've heard of the Lockness Monster
in Scotland, but today we're going to talk about the Monster of Lake Champlain,
Champion. I'm excited to hear this. Yeah, now I am too,
because we have our own and I feel like, and we'll talk to
our guests about this, But I feel like people don't talk about Champion as
much as they talk about Locknest. I think Locknett seems to be a little
more notorious. But we're gonna bring We're gonna we're gonna change that tonight because
I really am interested to see what this is all about and what kind of
evidence she's had. So our guest is probably the most well known champion researcher
anywhere around, so I'm going to bring her out. Katie Elizabeth, Welcome
to the show. How are you hi? Good guys, how you doing?
I got my cat here as he was hogging the thing earlier. He
wants all the attention. But they're good. They're good. We've had a
bunch of pets on the show, so they just kind of like walk around
into it. Yeah, what do you say? Christina has this, you
know, one hundred and fifty pound German shepherd that sometimes walk as sensitive about
his weight. But aren't we all aren't we all call him a large boy?
Yeah? Katie, how did you get involved with studying and researching Champ?
Oh? God, it was a long time ago. I'm thirty eight
now. I know in the future, I'm probably not going to reveal my
age anymore after this. But when I was, when I was seven years
old, is when I started my fascination with Champ and other late creatures as
well. I was watching an episode of Unsolved Mysteries that was hosted by the
great Robert Stack. Back in that time. He was the absolute best.
I mean, no one will ever replace him, as I mean David far
Dennis Farina, excuse me, Dennis Farina was very good too, but something
about Robert Stack that just made the program. So I was I was watching
that and I saw the famous Sandermancy photo that was taken in nineteen seventy seven
of this long neck twisted around at the side, and I was totally fascinated,
and I yelled to my mom, Mom, I wanted to go see
this late creature, this dinosaur of sorts, and she was like, what
in the world are you watching? So I said, can we go?
Can we go? And I knew it was in New England and I lived
in Rhode Island. The Ocean state at the time. So I pulled out
the old Rand McNally map before we had GPS, and I kind of estimated
that it would be about four and a half five hours. And my mom
never really liked to bring me many places back then. I mean, we
went to Massachusetts and Connecticut and we didn't even go to Maine at that point.
Like, my mom didn't like to drive far and she worked a lot
too, So I'll give her that credit because if she watches that, she's
gonna shoot me because I'm dissinger a little bit. But yeah, that's what
started my fascination with Champs. So I went to my library school and tried
to find every book that I could on NeSSI on Champ and I did find
a couple of books. One was A Champ Beyond the Legend by Joseph Zarzinski,
a former Champ researcher, and the other one, I'm trying to remember
it was a lot next book. I think it was by Tim Dinsdale,
who was one of my idols, great guy and very hands on, very
much how I am today with the field research because we have a lot of
armchair researchers, which are really great because they're really good at collecting the reports
and getting them out there and that sort of thing. But the fuel work
is my passion because I believe that in order to make new discoveries, you
have to put your boots on the ground and get out there and do the
hard work, or else you're gonna rehash the same stuff the mancip photo.
How many times can you rehash that over and over? So that's how I
got started, and then in twenty twelve, I was actually working for a
normal group. At the time, as much as I love the parent normal,
I don't deal with it anymore because I've had a lot of things that
had followed me home and not the greatest experiences at times because I'm very expensive,
so I kind of gave up on that. I mean, I might
still dabble a little bit, but I'm very careful. So at the time,
my friends were like, let's go on a trip somewhere different, and
I'm like, well, let's go to Lake Champlain because it's a place I
always wanted to go. And as soon as I got out of that car,
I had tears in my eyes because I felt like I was home.
It was the weirdest thing. So that's how I got started. And actually
my second day there, I had my first encounter of something I could not
explain out in the bay. So it was really weird because I'm thinking,
what are the chance of me seeing something right off the bat on my trip,
because people spent a lifetime there and never seen anything, So it was
really weird to me, and I just I was looking out at the bay
and there was a bilboat moored in the background to use for scale size.
I saw this black thing rise to the surface of the water and it went
very casually from left to right. And growing up in the Ocean State,
my dad was a fisherman, so I was very familiar with seeing whales and
dolphins and all types of phenomenon that are natural logs, floating otters and stuff
like that. Boat wakes is a very common thing that a lot of people
think they're seeing a lake monster, and it's just boat wakes. So when
I saw this thing, I was just in total awe. I had a
couple of friends with me that were in the background eating their breakfast, and
they were like, oh, that's cool, Like they weren't even interesting because
they wanted to go out to look for bigfoot and I wanted to look for
champs. So they were just I don't know, they had no interest in
it whatsoever. But one of my friends that was with me at the time,
he was sitting with me and he witnessed it as well. So I
ran to the car to get my camera because I didn't have my camera on
hand because I didn't think I was going to see anything the second day there,
I mean, come on. So I ran on my camera and it
was gone, and I was just like so angry about it, and I
said, you know, this is it. This is where I'm going to
start getting my own equipment going. I actually had built a hydrophone system kind
of with a Pisio mic at the time, and I put it in a
PBC pipe and I used JB. Weld to go around. I did all
kinds of stuff, I kind of everything. What would you use that for
for? The hydrophone? Hydrophone hydrophone is just underwater recording system that records underwater
sounds. They use it for cetacean research with whales and dolphins. You can
also use it for listening for any type of seismic activity with earthquakes and stuff
like that. Very very sensitive microphone, so I built my own little jury
rigged microphone. At the time, I didn't get anything kind of I looked
back at it and it sucked, but hey, it was an idea and
I was trying to maguiver it at the time. Yeah, so that's how
I got started. And then because that I truly know this for a fact,
when you see something that you can't explain and you have that I've always
had a passion for mysteries anyway, ever since I was a little girl,
I've had I've had paranormal experiences. I don't really talk about it much now
because I'm in the cryptid field now, but I've had some really strange things
happen when I when I was really little, we lived in a house that
was haunted for quite some time. And I don't know. I just think
that when you have an open mind like that, these things seem to gravitate
towards you for sure. And I think it's because some people they don't have
blinders on. They have a whole range all around them, eyes behind their
head, I always say, and I'm one of those types of people.
I noticed the damnedest things that other people's don't that they don't notice. They're
like, how the hell did you see that? So that's just my nature,
I guess. So what if you discovered you know, what is the
biggest aha thing that you've learned from your own your own research. I mean,
there's a few things that I've gathered over the last eleven years. What's
really interesting. We captured echolocation multiple times in Lake Champlain. The echolocation was
the first, basically the first thing that I had captured in a slew of
things. And when that happened, I had heard before that there was echolocation
recorded there, and I had worked with a woman named Elizabeth von Mugginhaler that
was on quite a few Discovery Channel programs where she had recorded echolocation in the
lake. And then, okay, echolocation is basically instead of man made sonar
or electronically made. So if you're in a boat and you have a fish
finder, it's putting out a beam of sound and when that beam of sound
hits an object, say a school of fish or a rock or something,
it bounces back and produces an image. So cetations that we know today they
use echolocation. Whales and dolphins to navigate the areas to find. Basically,
it's a mental picture. They don't need eyesight. They just use this echo
location. So they put this beam of sound out, it bounces back and
produces a mental image for them. H and they use that too for navigation
as well as finding food. So that's echo, that's basically what that is.
So during echolocation they make certain clicking noises. So if you're listening to
a type of fish finder, which is kind of the same sonar, you'll
hear a constant tick tick. It's not a tic tick tick. It sounds
like a clock. It's just a constant beat in between. With echolocation,
it doesn't work that way. You're gonna hear variables up and down because they're
they're distributing it out in like a certain pattern to cover all bases versus a
regular sonar. That's just a constant, mechanical ticking. So it's the sound
that we had gotten, and that was twenty fourteen. It was very similar
to what she had gotten. So I was like, Wow, I'm really
onto something here. So I've gotten probably at least fifteen echo location recordings,
I'm guessing because I've got I've got a hard drive external hard drive that's full
of stuff that I haven't even like, I've heard weird things like Okay,
this one's cool. It's a little muffuy, I'm gonna use the best ones
that I got or whatever. So I'm very picky with what I present to
the public because I'm very analytical minded as a person. So the video that
I captured at twenty fourteen of a Champ animal crossing Button Bay, I had
gotten that and that when I presented, I got some other videos that were
kind of strange, like disturbances and stuff that weren't boat wakes or anything,
but they weren't good enough for me to put out there and say positively,
this is a Champ creature. So there really isn't I mean, really,
the aha moment for what I've gotten, I would say, is the sonar
pictures and sonar video that I've captured. I mean, the other stuff is
just as great, but it was something totally different. Like I got so
spoiled with getting the echolocation recordings. It was just like hearing a dog barking
down the street to me, like it, oh, there's there they are
again. So the sonar was interesting because I always said that I wouldn't really
try it because I believe that it's very invasive to the hearing because animals that
echo locate have that high sensitive of hearing range. But with people fishing the
lake all the time, they have fishing derbies with hundreds of boats around,
they're really used to it, so it's really not as invasive to them as
it could be. Say if people just showed up all of a sudden in
a lake that there wasn't anybody using fish finders, then that would be kind
of a different story. So I mean, yeah, I think it is
very, very bothering to their ears, but they're getting an immunity to it,
so there's no doubt in your mind that they exist, no doubt my
mind, I wouldn't. I'm the type of person if I stick in something
this long, I'm not a believer. I'm a knower, there's no and
I'm a very If you talk to some of the people that know me for
a really long time, they're like, this girl is no bs. She
is just a straight shooter. Sometimes it gets me in trouble because of my
mouth. I just I tell the way it is and it's but I mean,
in one way, I can get myself in trouble being like that.
But in another way, I take pride in what I do and I've spent
so much time, so much money, so much effort in doing this study,
and I've gotten results because I believe when you're dedicated to the things and
you use this, you use your heart to do it, good things are
going to come to you. And my idea with the Champ animals is my
biggest goal is protection because these animals obviously are not in every lake. There's
other lakes around the world that have similar creatures, if not the same,
I don't know yet. I'm doing a study on that as well as some
comparisons. But I think the most important thing is the protection. So in
twenty nineteen, I wrote a law of protection for the Champ animals and it
was passed unanimously. So that was amazing New York State law, and I
was like, wow, I got to say, I've done some really cool
stuff in my life, but I think that was the biggest thing. Yeah,
thank you, I appreciate that. Now you think, I mean,
your belief is that there is more than one. Absolutely, without a doubt,
it's not a one creature called champ or champion. It's it's a fan,
it's a whole breed of them, a whole bunch absolutely. I mean,
here's the thing with my echolocation, there's many and not just echolocation.
I've also gotten ultra low frequency sounds of communications between I don't know what they
mean. That's the thing with bioacoustics studies of whales and dolphins, for instance,
or even alligators. They're starting to learn that alligators communicate underwater, which
is something that bioacousticians never knew. So the study with bioacoustics underwater in particular
are just just the tip of the iceberg. They're starting to figure this stuff
out. So with those sounds, I don't know if it's for breeding purposes,
territorial reasons some of them, or ultralow frequency. And in water,
when you have ultralow frequency, the sound travels further in water, especially salt
water, which we don't have a lake Champlain. What's really interesting is when
I've done some bioacoustic studies out in the North Atlantic and down here in off
the coast of Florida too, with whales and dolphins. It's just it's really
cool because I can hear for like I would say a ten mile radius versus
four or five in Lake Champlain because it's salt water, so I can hear
so much further. And I'm like, why can't we have salt water where
the lake is? You know, it could be the Champlain Sea again and
I could hear more. So I go in certain places where there have been
sightings and I sit and I listen and it. You know, I love
what I do. But sometimes watching for these animals to pop up or get
any sort of sound is like watching paint dry. It really is. But
the scenery is so worth it. It's beautiful. It's such a peace of
mind and meditation from me as well. Why do you think they're so scarce?
Why don't more people see them? If the lake is active boats and
people, Well, if you look at how do I put this? Okay?
First off, people are looking for one hundred foot long creature. These
animals average size is fifteen to twenty five feet. I've heard of some specimens
up to thirty five. One of the ones that I captured am I sownar
images from twenty nineteen. I would say she's around thirty to thirty five.
She is enormous, and with reptiles, now I believe these animals are ectothermic,
whether reptile or amphibians. So with ectotherms, we are, as humans
are endothermic. So we can sustain our innercore temperature and we can do that
on our own, but reptiles and amphibians they cannot. So when the water
is below fifty degrees fahrenheit, that's when the sightings start to plummet, which
I find interesting. Plus some people say, well, maybe it's because there's
not any tourists on the lake. The tourism compared to Lockness is not the
same. You hardly see anything about Champ around the lake. It's the weirdest
thing. It's not that popular. Over the last ten twelve years that I've
been doing this, though, I've brought so much awareness about Champ. So
now it's starting to go a little a little bit more haywire, and there's
a little bit more attention to it because of the echo location, the sonar
and the video. But it's I mean, how do I put it?
People are looking for this one hundred fu long thing like a whale, and
they're not that large. There are reports from the eighteen hundreds that these animals
were one hundred plus feet. But my theory is that I think they move
in pairs because I've gotten these this I felly it's the same too in this
area. So you add thirty feet thirty five feet plus twenty twenty five feet,
that's that would look like one massive eacher because they they swim like diagonally
next to each other. And I've got them on the bottom of the lake.
And then three weeks later when I went back, those were gone because
there were some people that are like maybe their logs and all this stuff,
and I said, okay, well I'll go back to try to debunk it
and see if those logs are still there. Well, the logs weren't there.
Uh, they were gone, audios. And then further up the lake
as I went, they were swimming under my boat and I got them underneath
the boat. So it's just crazy. I could I cry every time I
talk about this stuff, because if if only people knew what's out there,
that they would just they wouldn't go swimming in the lake anymore. They really
wouldn't. I don't. I mean, I'll swim in the lake, but
I'm more afraid of the lamb prey that are in the lake. They're like
these eel type creatures and they got like around. I don't know if you've
seen them before, but they're nasty and they will hook onto swimmers too.
Because I want to see what's around me, I don't want that. I
don't want to sense it. So there's no doubt in my mind what's in
there. I mean, I am just I feel so privileged to be the
voice for them and for the protection. And honestly, I don't give a
rat's tail if anybody believes there's anything in the lake, because it's one less
idiot that's gonna bother them. That's just my opinion. Why do you think
the population of them though, hasn't grown well where the lake is just Overbold?
Do you know what I mean? Well, you gonna have you ever
been to Lake Champlain? Both you guys, have you been? Okay?
While Lake Champlain is one hundred and twenty miles long, four hundred feet deep,
they say it it's deepest there's I beg to differ on that one because
there are some caves and tunnels. I know a scuba diver who's seen some
crazy things down there. I also dive myself, but I haven't. I
haven't gone in the lake yet for diving. Maybe maybe one of these days.
The visibility can be quite poor in places, and I don't really want
one sneaking up to me and I'll be like, oh crap, now what
do I do? But with a lake that large, you're you're not gonna
see them like being ramped. I think that these animals know they're primordial.
They know when there's people around. They got a high sensitivity of hearing as
well. So boat goes by, They're like, oh, screw you,
I'm going down to the bottom. That's what they did on the first sonar
image that I got. Plus they are blackish brown in color, and there's
been many reports of people thinking that they were going to hit a log.
They're like, oh no, because they're just like stealth like this. And
I think they do that because they don't want anybody to know what they are.
They're animals like that. Alligators are the same way you go out into
the swamps. I'm down in Florida and Central Florida and I've got an airboat
and I'm working on that. That's another project. So I've gone out and
watched alligator behavior, and they'll do the same. They'll just sit their stealth
and then all of a sudden they might just get a spook and then take
off like a shot. And that's what's happened too with a lot of the
sightings that fishermen are out and they're they're like, oh crap, don't hit
that log. It's gonna ruin our prop. And the guy looks over and
splash gone. They're like, holy crap, I thought that was a log.
So they blend right in with their surroundings. They have a way of
camouflage, and animals have a way. It's just like tree frogs. When
you see them on a white table, they'll turn that white. It's amazing.
H They blend in. Yeah, And if there's if there's a lot
of waves, they're almost impossible to see. That's why when it's really windy
at the lake, I usually don't bother to be honest. When it's calm
like glass, that's when you're gonna get more reports because it's easier to see
them. Do you think they look like what the drawings are? You know,
you see like the long neck like a prosaurus from the you know,
whatever that dinosaur is am I talking? Am I talking Fred Flintstone? Or
is that a real dinas Well? Brannosaurs where basically land and everything. Is
that what they are? Are they not pleasiest sore like, yes, very
much so. In my sonar images and video you can see the long neck
in front of them with appendages. But what what's really strange about the appendages
is most people think of pleasiot sore which have really big flippers, and there's
been even on my sonar you can see the appendage moved back and it's basically
like a webbed foot, which is very prominent in crocodiles, alligators, long
necked turtles. There's different species of long neck turtles and they had it looks
like a flipper, but there's you got the digits in between and then you
have the webbing all around it. So yeah, that's that's the one difference
between them. Their neck is basically like a piston. So have you ever
seen a soft shelled turtle like strike at somebody though it's crazy, Yes,
and they have that ability. That's an ambush predator. So I think for
the most part what they do is they sit on the bottom when fisher going
by, and just like snap snap them back, because in my sonar video
and pictures you can see that there's like a wrinkle on the back of that
one animal's net, like a couple of wrinkles where he's kind of pulled back
like this. So he could probably extend his neck maybe three feet even longer
than what it looks like on that. So they're very strange. I don't
think they're a pleasiest store. They're probably related to them, but the morphology
compared to anything in our known fossil record, they are not quite the same.
They have some differences, so I don't know if it's evolutionary adaptation where
their morphology is changing with their environment over time. I have a feeling that
might be what we're dealing with, but there's nothing in our known fossil record
to match them completely. There's some features the long neck and that sort of
thing, but they're they're a little they're a little different than what we know
of, which is if we could find a fossil of one, it would
just that's one goal that I hope to find something right down, even they're
washed up or anything. We don't know anything like that, and I think
the reason for that, if you you guys ever watch Swamp People History Channel
judam So And actually I'm friends with one of the guys that's on the show,
Frenchy Crochet. He hasn't been on the recent season, but I know
Frenchy very well. They when they go out there, and sometimes they'll they'll
shoot a gator out in open water, and if you ever noticed, as
soon as they shoot the gator, they have to go right to it and
grab it and pull it into the boat because it's gonna sing sink. And
I think with these animals being extremely muscular, because in my twenty fourteen video
it was analyzed by the Science Channel and by were like, what the hell
is this? All they could think of was an alligator, And it's like,
well, alligators don't move in vertical undulation. They don't have this quivering
of the skin, which indicates that they have a high mass of muscle.
So any animal which is very much like an alligator, because they have a
ton of muscle, they're going to sink right to the bottom very quickly.
And in the winter time, I think these animals go into a torpora like
state where they like the turtles do. Some turtles will bury themselves partially in
the mud are completely slow down to less than one heartbeat per minute. So
I think during that time it's giving the lake time to replenish food. A
lot of people say, is there enough food Lake Champlain, But we have
over three hundred thousand acres of marshland and these animals have been seen in the
marsh systems, particularly at night time, with eyeshine which is taped to loose
seed them. So they I think they're opportunistic feeders. I think they eat
vegetation as well as a carnivorous diet with fish and waterfowl. Interesting. Yes,
they're moving outside of their environment into the swampy area. Yes, there's
been like a lot of reports reports of four toed webbed footprints, which is
another thing that supports the webbed foot idea. So I've done a lot of
research. Yes, of the water, Yes, across roads, and that's
been seen at Lochness as well. By the way, I wasn't Yes,
I love cryptids. I'm sorry, but that's a good question, Christina,
because you know, we call them cryptids, but are they or are they
just animals that we haven't seen yet. I don't know, and I think
of cryptied I think of paranormal. I think of otherworldly. You know,
we talk about that with Big Four, some more mythological mythological, although Bigfoot,
if he exists, is he I mean from somewhere else? Is there?
I mean we've heard all every theory in the book, and you know,
to a certain extent, you know, we talk about lockedness and Champion
that way as well. But maybe they're not. Maybe they are just real
animals, you know, they're they're they're animals. They're not paranormal. They're
not cryptics, they're not cryptids, they're not mythological. They're just animals.
We don't know enough about all. Yeah, well, to think that we
know every single creature and can identify it is a huge ego. But I
mean think because we don't. I mean, look at the ocean. We
are constantly finding new animals. They're finding you know, new new classifications of
fish and things all the time that we just didn't know about. So I
think it's very very possible. Yeah, that's absolutely true. It's I mean,
there's just so much out there that we're discovering every year new species.
I mean, there was a I'm trying to get my fact street here because
I only read a little bit of the article, but I saw it briefly
on Facebook and then I did repost it. That was a couple of weeks
ago. There was a fossil of a dragon like creature that was found in
Japan and nobody it doesn't fit into anything in our own fossil record. So
now we have something in the fossil record that's totally different than any other dinosaur
like creature or dragon like creature, which I found amazing, and I said,
well, see, this is the show. We don't know everything.
There's so many layers underneath the ground that we haven't even began to explore.
So there's a lot of stuff out there for sure. And I mean,
I hope one day I find something like that of a champ animal because it's
like, hello, I told you, I told you this stuff was here,
I mean out and sticks his head out. Yeah yeah. So yeah,
it's it's really fascinating and it definitely keeps me going. It's it's definitely
my passion and what I love to do. And I really believe that in
the next few years, I think there's gonna be a big revelation because I've
already gotten echo location so onar video, I would like to get ahead and
neck video. The problem with video, though, is there's so much fakery
going on, and I mean, I'm sent it to the Jet Propulsion Lab
at NASA and be like, here, you know, check this out and
tell me. You know, I want to show that because everything I've gutten
has been stated authentic, and I just take I take so much pride in
that because I'm this little, short girl of a person and the lake is
so huge, and when you see drone footage of my boat from up above
and how tiny we look, it's like, holy crap. I mean,
it's just amazing, isn't it. It's just crazy. It's like it's I
feel like an ant I feel so small, and it's I think, if
you put your mind into something and you use your heart, you sky's the
limit. It really is. And I think, I really think that something's
going to happen pretty soon with this. With DNA. I did do a
DNA type of testing with a TV show. The problem is we don't have
anything to go by in a way, because like I said, so,
I'm thinking either reptile or amphibian unknown is probably going to be the best thing
that we're gonna find. It's going to take a lot of money to do
it. It's something that i'm working on right now, but I have a
feeling that we're going to get some really good results with that. Eventually.
I think we need more samples more. I think more than one lab involved
with larger databases with reptiler and phibian and there are and the difficult part about
reptile an amphibian type of DNA is that it's very hard to detect it.
But I have some connections down here in Florida which is really interesting and I'm
working on this. There's specific ways to test for reptile or amphibian DNA,
so I'm working on that. So it's because they don't shed like snakes,
shed like crazy like pythons. They're doing testing down here on the invasive pythons
in the Everglades. They do shed, but for some reason sometimes they can't
detect that in some of the water samples. So I'm definitely going in the
right direction with getting together with certain people that know how to do the protocol.
Because the last time I did a TV show and they did the testing,
it was during COVID and I think the samples got degraded a little bit
because they didn't know what the heck they were doing. You're supposed to put
it through a certain five filter and all these things, and they didn't know
anything about it. And I told them as soon as as soon as you
get back, like take the water samples to the hotel and put them in
a freezer because they need to be frozen right away. And I don't I
have a feeling they didn't do it because the only DNA that they found was
muskelunge, which is a type of very large fish, kind of like a
pike. That was good though, because they're endangered in Lake Champlain, so
that was kind of a nice thing that shows that they're replenishing, they're coming
back. They didn't they didn't find otter DNA. They didn't find waterfowl DNA.
So that's stuff that's in the lake all the time. So that shows
me that it's not right. Yeah, that's going to be in your average
pool. You're gonna exactly exactly there you go. So they're not finding it
now you're in Florida, they're not finding it down there, meaning meaning you
know what we're seeing at Lake Champlain we're not seeing them because they would compete
with some of the gators and things like that. I mean, I feel
like it'd be more obvious if they were in bodies of water, you know,
in Florida, we're seeing them more like up north. Where else have
you seen them? Well, personally but people, And I was gonna say,
I've only seen Champ. I hate to break the tea. I wish
I saw Morag and Nessie and og Pogo. That would be freaking awesome.
But there are lakes across the latitude, the Boreal Force Belt, so the
northern part of our globe that these animals have been seen. So you have
Lake Okanagan, Lockness, Lake Champlain. Over in Scotland, there's a ton
of locks where there's been some sightings. Uh, Locke more Are that's another
one that I'm going to be traveling probably in September, to Lochness and Mara.
So Morah is the way you're supposed to say it in Scottish, and
my Scottish friends probably still gonna say that I didn't say it right, But
Americans say more are things. So there's like tons of these lakes that have
similar creatures in them. I've never been to, but I want to try
some of the protocol that I've used a Lake Champlaine to see if I can
get echo location and do a comparison, and if we get something similar,
that means they're either the same species or something very closely related. So it's
going to be an adventure to go over there in September and check out Lockness
and Lockmarle. It's gonna be really cool. I'm excited. That is gonna
be cool. And it's beauty. Have you ever been You ever been there?
I hadn't been. No, so beautiful. I've not been to Locknest,
but I've been through the locks in the Highlands and it's just so beautiful.
Oh God, I can't wait. It's gonna be great. And there's
a lot of fairy lore and stuff them all into the fairy stuff and hell
yeah, yeah yeah. We were just talking about the fairies a little while
ago. I was in a cave in Scotland a couple of years ago and
it was just really odd because this cave there are supposedly a lot of fairies
there and people will come and leave offerings to the fairies and if you're mean
and they follow you home, and they're not very nice to you. They're
not like night. It's not tinker Bell, you know what I mean.
It's a different kind of fairy. So I was taking pictures throughout and you
know, I just had my I just had my cell phone, that's it.
And when I went back and looked at the photos, they were all
like this, and then there was one that was upside down. This guy
was at the tree. Was you can't take an upside down photo with an
iPhone, that's crazy, But I did. And I'm not saying it's paranormal.
I'm just saying I have no idea how that happened because all I was
doing was snapping like this. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't trying
to do any acrobat Well, it's funny because I had a friend from Ireland.
He passed away a few years ago, but I remember telling him because
he was all into the the water horses, helpies is what they call these
creatures over in Celtic lore, and he was all into that stuff. And
I remember he had told me a story about his grandfather, his uh no,
his uncle, not his grandfather's uncle, Seamus, and he lived in
County Cabin Ireland and you have to look it up on the map. I
think it might be kind of in the center is where he was. His
Ireland's huge So he was telling me when he was a child there there was
a there was a tree on the property of his uncle Seamus's farm, and
he had told one of the workers not to cut this tree down because there
was a fairy ring around it with the mushrooms, the fairy ring that was
going around his tree. So I guess the guy didn't listen and he cut
the tree down, and the like the worst stuff happened to this guy and
his machine, like his bulldozer machine, whatever the heck it was. It
disappeared and they never found it, like it just poof, it was gone.
So when you told me that story, I was like, get the
hell out. And then I started looking into the stories of leprechauns and fairies
and the fairy fa and it was just like that's happened a lot. So
it makes you wonder what is out there with that spiritual realm, that that
other veil that we don't know about that's coming through It's it's really weird.
So I don't know. He was totally adamant about this story, and I've
heard similar stories to that afterwards. So that was a fun little story that
my friend Jim told me a long time ago. We had a woman on
the show last week who said, and she she's she's a medium, and
you know, she's she's been to lily Dale and all these other places that
are very spiritual. She claims she's seen them with her eyes, and I
said, not your mind, not your mind's eye, right, No,
like with my eyes, I've seen them. And you know, the only
fairy I've flew out of Cinderella's castle right over the Magic Kingdom. That's the
only ferry I've ever seen. But I find it. There was a thing
a documentary that I saw sometime back and someone I think it was trying to
remember. I think it was near County Cork, which is I had a
little bit Irish background, very very old though, like a long time ago
that I got in my DNA test that I got done, and it was
Killarney and County Cork. But someone had found this little leather shoe out in
a field and they're like, oh, maybe it's a doll shoe. So
they actually I think they sent it to excuse me, the Smithsonian or somewhere
like that, and they had it like put under a microscope and it was
like better than what a cobbler would do, Like it wasn't a doll shoe.
And they were like, what the hell? And I don't know where
that is shoe? Yeah exactly, and they they think they and they said
it was made out of mouse skin, So I was like, what the
hell? So that was really freaky. Yeah. I could send you the
link to that later. It was really really weird. And I'm like,
and I learned that when I was a kid. I read about that in
a book and I thought maybe it was bogus, and then I happened to
see it on a documentary not too long ago and confirm that it was.
It was a real thing that happened and the family of the guy, I
don't know who the gentleman's name was, but they still have the shoe,
but nobody really talks about it. And that's all I know. It's kind
of a secret to wear it. I like to see it because that's crazy
and it's crazy. So do you do you think you know, it's sort
of getting back to our topic, but do you think that let's say Bigfoot
as an example, and I know, I don't know that you've done a
lot with that. You know, sasquatches and Bigfoot. Do you feel that
they're the same When I say the same, obviously they're not. They're not
the same animal, but the same situation. But they're just anbler. Do
you think there is a paranormal component to the big fit and Sasquatches? I
think with champ and Bigfoot, I think that there's sort of a protective bubble
around them. I believe that they're basically biological. But what's really interesting about
the late creatures and also the Sasquatch is that the Native Americans they have this
thing. Well, first of all, with Native Americans there, I've been
around a lot. I've got a lot of Native friends, and they were
seeing real creatures. They're not making this stuff up. And what's really interesting
with the water horses and the kelpies, and then you have that's in Celtic
lore. Then you have the horned serpents here with the Native Americans. Then
you have the hippocampus, which is Roman and Greek mythology. Then you have
the Scandinavians who have these serpents in the front of their ship. These people
didn't know each other, so to me, they were seeing real animals.
I mean, as a person who's seen the Champ animals myself and gutting the
data that I have, it's like, holy crap, Like these animals are
all over the place. Probably not as populated as they were at the time,
I'm sure, but with Bigfoot and also the late creatures, I think
that they're biological, but I think that there is some sort of protection around
them from the Native Americans in a way. Because when I had gotten my
sonar images, it was really crazy. Because my friend Frank passed away a
few years ago. He had he had a sighting back in nineteen eighty of
one on the beach, and that's how I met him. I was over
at a Champ event and he came up to me and says, I got
to tell you about my sighting because I've never told anybody about this. So
that's how him and I became friends. And he was part Cherokee Natives.
So when we went out to do research, he said, well, I
asked him. I said, hey, can you do me a big favor?
Can you take the sage out and do like a blessing because anytime around
Lake Champlain, the Abenaki and the Iroquois would throw out tobacco and do a
blessing to appease the creatures, to allow them a safe passage. So I
said, well, they're probably something to this. I really believe in the
native stuff, so I said, let's let's do some little ceremony. So
we did, and that's when we get the sonar and I was like,
holy crap. It was like it broke that bubble, that protective bubble,
because the natives say that the chant animals were created by the Creator to protect
Lake Champlain and only those who will not do them harm will see them.
And I'm about for like to hurt you. Yeah, And that's what I
think is the spiritual aspect. I don't think that they're that they're paranormal per
se, but there's definitely something around them and they I think that because I
have that respect for nature and have that respect for them, that I've been
damn lucky with what I've gotten, that's for sure. Yeah, it's pretty
amazing, But you know, it's a lot like you know, Christina,
I mean, we talk about this a lot, right, And I think
it's the intention, and I think some way the universe knows who you are
and what you're all about. I have I for the I mean, look,
we watch all these ghost hunting shows, right and they go and they
try to get an e VP on something, and you know, you listen
to it and you're like, Okay, well this sort of sounds like that
maybe yeah, And then they come through on my radio show and say,
Hi, Scott, we've had that happen. They do have crazy. I
get messages coming through the radio through the radio show that are as clear as
you talking to me today. I can put in Indiana, we heard your
name how many times? All the time, all the time when I was
doing my paranormal work and stuff. There's some episodes on YouTube that I can
send. And the other team members they were a lot older than me,
and they kind of thought maybe I was hearing stuff that they weren't because I
was younger, because of mosquito tone. The mosquito tone thing where higher frequency
younger people can hear it but older people can't. I can still hear the
same mosquito tone. I was twenty eight years old when this happened. I'm
thirty eight, so it's really weird. But what's really interesting about it is
we were getting EVPs that they weren't hearing, but I was hearing. And
then when we played back the recording, there it is. And those are
still on YouTube, which is crazy. So I'll send you the link to
those. And it was really creepy though, because it was like anytime we
go anywhere, they'd be like they would get something Katie or hi, Katie,
Hey, and I'm like, no, why does it have to be
me? And it's just I just think they just know they know that the
no I think when you have a true heart, they're they're right there and
they're like, hey, this is someone I can talk to. So if
you know that they know who can who will be able to understand them,
hear them, and and and believe that it's them and not just you know,
there's some people that just in no way, you know what I mean,
There's no way. And I feel like this is more energetic, just
the same way children and animals will just run to certain people they know not
to fear them, they know they're a safe person. They can feel that
that That's kind of where my brain goes with this. Oh it happens to
me. I'm like an animal and kid magnet. I'm like, what the
heck. It's like some kid in the grocery store just comes up and hangs
on to my leg. I'm like, what do I do? You know
there's some animal that's some dog that's running down the street that somebody lost.
It's it's I used to have like dogs show up at my house, Like
why the hell are they coming to my house? So they know the neighbor
there you go. See totally, I totally believe that because they they feel
energy so much more than we do. I mean, they put us to
shame with that. They know how you feel, they know all your emotions,
they know a good person from someone that's not so good. They just
next that. Yeah, and I and I think there's a certain amount of
that that goes on in any of this kind of work that we do.
I mean, I don't know that you know any of these champions under the
ocean or under the sea, under the sea, under the lake. Trust
legionly they were originally from the sea, So you're not you're not far off
because it was plain was the arm of the ocean ten thousand plus years ago,
so it was the Champlaine Sea. See, I've heard a theory that
all of these creatures similar to Champy and you know, Nessy, et cetera,
that you know, water did cover so much of the earth and all
of these bodies of water were connected and that's how they ended up in all
of these deep lakes. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean with I mean,
we have remnants of ancient species that are still in Lake Champlain as well.
We have the bouf and the gar and the sturgeon. They go back one
hundred plus million years and they're still there. So it's like, how the
hell can anybody say like, oh, they're can't They're totally impossible. Well,
why are they still there? Then why are the boffin garn sturgeons still
there? And then you think about crocodile's, alligators, snapping turtles, We've
got komodo dragons. There's all kinds of reptile and amphibian species that are primordial
that have been here since the mass extinction because they could go into freshwater estuaries
and they survive the kt extinction. So it's like, why is it so
far fetched for a fifteen to thirty foot long creature a population of them,
with the crocodiles and alligators and all the things that are still here on this
planet today, Why is that possible? They think of this big whale thing
that's one hundred feet long and it's going to eat people, and it's just
ridiculous. So you got to think of it in logical terms, which is
all they are. They're not monsters. We are the monsters. We're the
ones that destroy our planet, destroy everything, and they they are more afraid
of us than we are of them. But you know, we call them
it's just the mess for the fun of it. I guess that's it.
The reality is, I don't I don't think that they are. I think
they're just undiscovered. Yeah, I mean, there's gon't been like any stories
of people getting a chunk taken out of their behind or anything like that.
So attacks from these kinds of creatures, I mean there's been some anything they
run from us, Yeah, they do. There's been some accounts in like
Russia, like, oh god, how do I pronounce it labbit near?
I can't remember. I'm not Russian, so I'm not good with that.
But there's been some reports of that creature running ramming boats and stuff. Like
that. I don't know how true they are. I have no idea.
But for the most part, I mean, there's been some reports that people
running into a champ animal and then they just dive down and they're gone.
But nothing really aggressive except for Russia. I don't know. I don't know
if it's just they like to party with too much vodka and they just say
everything's attacking them. I have no idea. Let me say this, speaking
of Russian, we're gonna need to because the show, we only have another
two and a half minutes left, so we need to start Russian. It's
always a fix. It's always a fast hour. It's not really an hour,
it's fifty four minutes. It's where we go. So they've got like
minutes left, and so tell us a little bit your website. We've been
scrolling across the bottom of the page. What are people going to find there?
What will they learn about you and your work? Will they be able
to see any of your evidence there? Yeah? I actually have some some
of the sonar images and video posted on the page. If you go to
our evidence page, you can learn a lot about that stuff. I'm still
kind of working. I'm not that great at keeping up with the main website.
I'm good at Facebook. I'm always on Facebook, as you know,
so Champ search on Facebook. I have several pages. I'm also the president
and founder of the International Dragontology Not Dragon with the g's g R A CEO
N t O l O g u y. It's a study of late creatures
and so International Dragontology Alliance is another Facebook page, and Katie Elizabeth Cryptozoologists is
another page, and then my personal page Katie Elizabeth. But those pages are
where I put like my everyday videos when I go out on the lake,
the live stuff where people can keep up on my research vessel KELPI two where
I have my hydrophone system, my sonar, my underwater cameras and we do
some live videos and stuff like that which people love to see. So June,
July, August is the best time for Champ. So that's usually when
my live videos are going, and I have all kinds of stuff going on
there. But my website, my main website with some of the evidence that
I've captured, is www dot Katielizabeth dot org, so they can check that
out. I'm coming I'm coming out with another book, so I've got on
one second, Katie, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to have you back on
to talk about this. We have actually come to the end of our time.
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can put it in the bio. At the end, thank you for being,
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