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I going into this game, the Buffalo Bills losing to the New England
Patriots this game. Yeah, going into this game, I think for the
second week in a row, the Bills were the biggest favorite in the league
heading into the weekend, the biggest favorite, damn. And the big question
for me was you know which version of the Buffalo Bills and which version of
Josh Allen would show up? And I think we got our answer and it
wasn't. I don't know, man. They played six games this season.
Three they looked like they could be Super Bowl contenders, and three they look
like they're they're the bottom of the barrel. I mean, it feels like
they've had three losses in a row. Greg and they have it. They
beat the Giants, they should have. They were close to winning today.
But I mean they shouldn't have won. They didn't win. Yeah, and
you know, I mean, yeah, it's depressing to say that mac Jones
had his best game. He did probably not, Ever, that's probably his
best game as a professional. Yeah, yeah, I would think that.
And and I view one of I view this game coming into this game with
the expectations of the Bills coming off of the win from the Giants, but
yet they tripped into it, right, they fell into it. The Giants
gave it to him, which came off of the Jaguars loss, which they
were close, and they hung in even though they didn't play well. They
were in London's at excuses you now have three weeks. Yeah, a blow,
par I mean, is Josh hurt and we're not knowing no exactly.
I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so.
He threw that ball to Digs at the NBA game that like with the I
mean, I don't think you can't blame it on that. There's a lot
of things you can blame it on, but the shoulder is pretty low on
the list. I really believe that this team last You scripped your first fifteen
plays offensively, right, and when you can't out maneuver one of the worst
They're not. No one has got a good defense. But when you can't
out maneuver one of the worst teams in the NFL in your first few drives,
you're getting picked off of the first play of the game or you're off,
you got problems. This team's got all kinds of Josh has not gone
back to back with two games in a row with out turning the ball over.
Yeah, And I believe going into this week either. And I'm sure
Kevin because he's so astute. He's been very nice though, and he's been
quiet on the podcast. He wasn't earlier. But I did win Wimbledon today.
Knuck it in under some taco salad. I saw it. That's why
I covered it up with a cloth. Is that you know when you when
you look at I mean, I think the Patriots were of the power rankings.
I think the Patriots were either thirty one or thirty two out of thirty
two teams this last week coming into this game, and then as the Bills
team coming off of that Giants again, sneaky you got it wasn't a win
that felt like a win. No, feel like I couldn't have felt like
a win for them, and the Jacksonville loss felt like a loss because you
played poorly. You had a chance at the end, but you couldn't pull
it off, which was like, you got to win those games that you're
tight like that if you're going to be a super Bowl contender. Who thought
the Bills would play like this against I mean I picked the based on the
points. I said the Bills were going to win. But I don't think
Dorsey's offense could distinguish themselves by nine and a half to win the game based
on this, right, Not that I ever contemplate a straight up loss.
I didn't. I didn't contemplate the straight up loss either, not not even
close. I thought for sure that this would I thought maybe they would come
out and really this would be another Miami game. They were going to show
and take advantage hit it. Yeah, and just I mean show how powerful
this offense is and no matter who's on the field, this is what's going
to happen. So Dan and I earlier this week we're texting about the Bills
because we're you know, we're preparing for today. Yeah, smart people.
I didn't hear from Greg got week I don't know what must and Patriots,
and I wouldn't have talked to you, Kevin, because I didn't want to
give you anything. Again, patri didn't want any billboard fodder. No,
we didn't. I didn't want to get the I didn't want to get the
Pats any additional motivation at all. But Dan brought up a great point is
that the Bills rhythm sucks and they've done the coaching has done nothing to change
the rhythm. Like with Jim Kelly. They went to the no huddle,
they let Jim make it. They took it out of the press box and
said, look, this is our game plan. Went to do ABC things
and then let Jim dictate that and they trusted in him. Today it showed
again they had no flow, they had no rhythm, and and and offensively,
New England was changing things up. They were changing place at the line
of scrimmats at the last minute. They had movement, they had guys,
they had you know, all kinds of just which side of the Boston for
you guys today? What do you think both sides? I mean? Then
there was a team effort. Yeah, it was a team Here's what you're
gonna hear. You're gonna hear team I've already heard that. The postgame show
has already said this, have already gotten text about it that. Oh well,
you know you got a lot of injuries on defen Yeah, so does
New England. Yeah. Yeah, it's the NFL. It's the NFL.
You're gonna have injuries. Overcome them, figure it out. That's where defensive
coaching come. So that's where your head coach has to like show up and
like figure it out. And you just got beat by Mac Jones on the
last drive of the freaking game on your side of the ball. Yeah,
you had the game despite all the all the issues on off They had the
game one and all you have to do is close it out Sean McDermott.
And you didn't do it. If you make the stops too, you have
thirteen seconds, Fuck you. You got to make one stop on third down,
on one stop and you win the game. Yeah. Not only did
they not do that, but they let them down. Are you kidding me?
Thirty five on the first place had a penalty. Yeah, the penalties
have been awful this season, so lack of discipline. Yeah, it's coaching.
And Tim Graham from the Athletic tweeted this out. It's hilarious. Josh
Allen's best play so far in the last three games has been drawing a an
unsportsman like conduct penalty on roughing the passer. That's been their best, most
consistent plays, those fifteen yard penalties. I mean, this team's got They've
got all kinds of issues. And as I was telling Greg, they lack
focus. There's no champion on the sideline, so there's nobody going after them,
getting in anybody's face and saying, hey, f off, let's go.
Josh doesn't do it. McDermott doesn't do it. Von Miller doesn't do
it. And does it is Stephan, Digs and Diggs get the most.
You know, he got so much so before the game even started, Dan
and I were getting after it. Dan and I were getting after it on
Wednesday or Thursday and press for the game, and we said, what's the
difference between the Bills and the Patriots and the Heyday? And I said,
quarterback, it's Josh Allen because Tom Brady wouldn't have put up with Diggs,
wouldn't have put up with with with Knox dropping the ball and third down,
he would have gotten in his grill against that Giants game, he said,
you got to make that freaking play because if they if he makes that catch,
the rest of the Giants games are relevant. You know, it's not
a sneak win, it's you won, it's confidence. He didn't do it.
It made me laugh when he got hit that late hit and he turned
around and he put his looking for the flag. Like every Bills fan has
ever cried to Tom Brady doing that every time. Every where's my fly.
But my point is that when you have when you have Tom Brady, you
have Joe Montana, you have Aaron Rodger, you have Brett Farv. When
guys didn't make plays, they went after those guys and said you got to
do better. Yeah, and they went after their yes, their receivers and
stuff. Jim Kelly did that with his guys too, by the way,
and by the way, they would go back after Kelly. They'll go back
after Farv, they will go back after Akman like but at the same time,
there was the mutual respect where we hold each other accountable. The far
they don't do that anymore and McDermott's not doing it to his team either.
What do we think though, with you know. Outside of that, here
comes to trade deadline. I think they have a little over a million dollars
available in the cap unless you do some restructuring. Should they go after something
and yeah, a new goddamn offensive coordinator and you and you don't have to
do anything about the trade deadline. You do anything about like like work in
the salary cap. So somebody's I don't know either Dan or somebody said to
me, well, how about bringing DeVante Adams in? I said that would
be a great number two with Stefan, you'd have one A, you'd have
one in one A. But if you can't get him the balls, I
position, it doesn't matter. I'll say this. I'll say this, they
do need a definitive one A or one B because what they're doing is they're
bracketing digs. They're double team in him. Nobody else is getting open,
nobody else is getting separation. Deontay Hardy, they paid him what five million
dollars a year. He had a couple of catches today. But so what
you know, I mean, Dalton kin Ka, they din'tven know how they're
gonna use him. When they drafted him. It's like they ask Ndorsey how
do you plan on using them? Well, we don't know yet, but
he was he was wide open open all day. Said to me, was
the worst answer. And it's been getting now more and more, it's getting
more and more attack like they didn't have a plan at this point in the
season. They don't have a plan. Kincaid seems more reliable than not.
He does well. We were saying during the game, Dalton Kinkaid is a
bigger, stronger Yeah. Cole Beasley, Oh okay, that makes But how
you use them? You gotta use them, scheme them open. You got
to use them. We don't know. We don't know how we can't we
we've watched last three games. We don't know. And and that is you
know, this last week, it it highlighted the difference between Super Bowl contending
winning teams and those that are good but not there. Because when all the
criticism in the last two weeks that come on Dorsey and this last week the
Dawkins, Uh, you know, Josh Allen, you had Dawson Knox say
it's not Dorsey, it's you know, who are you guys? You guys
are sitting there, you're on podcasts like us, you're on the radio.
You guys aren't pros. You guys haven't done this. You know, we're
the pros that are critiquing them. Well, the thing is is that you
haven't shown up and nobody's criticizing you. So Ken Dorsey's often sucks, right,
yeah, okay, Well then why did Dawson knock drop the ball?
Why? Why did they not have why did they not execute on third down?
The in the in the beginning of the game against against the Giants when
it was third and four and you got gave Davis fumbling. You know that's
Gabe Davis. Then, so we're critiquing Ken Dorsey because they lost because he
didn't make the call. Can you know Davis fumbles Nawson, Dawson knock drops
the ball. Well, then look at yourselves, you know, call yourselves
out. That's bullshit, damn it, right, that's what the bickering Bills
did. Yeah, he raised Jim raised their game. They raised jim game.
They all rose to the level and they got as close as we could
be. Damn what we gotta get over And I don't see this team doing
it. I know there's still accountability. What's gonna I almost feel like like
and I keep saying this sort of jokingly, but it almost feels like the
season this is over, which isn't. Isn't that's a traumatic statement, Okay,
because I had him going thirteen and four, but they've lost three.
Well, here's the deal. They've lost three. You got a quick turnar
around against the Tampa team that barely lost to day against Slam. They couldn't
move to the football, but neither could the Patriots. Okay, they're coming
to Buffalo Thursday, so you gotta, you gotta. They gotta immediately get
on the flight, start game planning. You got, they gotta put this
behind them and get ready for Tampa Bay. Then you get an extra day
to get ready for Cincinnati, who is, by the way, is starting
to come down by little bit. That's a Monday Night did last year.
So I mean, like you can't like. So let's say they beat Tampa
Bay. You still got a tough game againt Cincinnati, and you lose that
one, you're still only a game above five hundred in the division where Miami's
been killing everybody. Oh, by the way, until about the seven to
twenty five mark in the fourth quarter, the Bill scored more points against Miami
than they did in the first two and a half in the next and a
half games, this is the thing. And I think it was Mitch Morris
who said because they had sat in those first three games, they were pulling
guys out in the fourth quarter, sitting them down, and he's saying,
we got to learn to play all four quarters. Now, I don't know
that that's a part of the losses here. I mean, they're in I
don't have an issue with that. They had just lost Trey White that day.
I mean, I think Mitch Morris is just like you just spit balling
stuff. The fact is that game against the Giants. I went back and
watched it and you guys know that I brought that up and it was just
like it was lack of focused drops, stupid stuff that you go another example.
So is it Dorsey? Yeah, but I'll give Dorsey because Allen helps
game plan too, and if he doesn't, then he better. That's another
issue altogether. But like thirty percent of the problems dors and the other seventy
percent of effect that they can't block, they can't get open, they can't
catch, they can't hold onto the damn football. They can't play. Yeah,
and when we we should look when we looked at this schedule coming into
the summer, we looked at this part of the schedule as the soft part
of the sky. Yeah we did, Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Then we're one and three out of the soft part of the schedule, and
and you know, I mean in the plus Philly bunks, we're part of
the soft part of the schedule. Coming out of last year, they're playing
a little bit better. I still think that they're I still think that although
I'm a Bucks fan on the NFC side, they're not as good. They're
not as good as any other of the AFC East teams in my opinion,
And and so not taking care of business in this game today, you should
win this game that only you didn't to me is coaching. Yeah, it's
unadultterated coach. So what happens now, Because there was a lot of criticism
in that, I saw it all over social media on Dorsey, They'll be
people are saying he should be fired, he should be this. I mean,
there's gonna be no they pick on the first play of the game.
This is what I'm saying. But so clearly that won't be the case.
But if it comes down to coaching. Do we think that this could be,
you know, coming near I don't know. I don't want to say
that. You're certainly not coming near the end. Everybody has contracts. The
team has done too well under McDermott, but there are some people who believe
that McDermott is sort of losing the team a little bit. So that to
me, I mean, the Pagoulas have a tremendous amount of respect for Sean
McDermott and what he's brought to the team's stability, the continuity, the consistency.
The question becomes if he loses the locker room right now, when you
got a guy like Josh who is the leader of the locker room. I
think McDermott only loses the locker room if he loses Josh, because the guys
are gonna rally on Josh and he is that leader. Why because he's not
like Brady. Because if Brady, if he were like Brady and called guys
out and then he didn't performing through him. By the way, yeah,
good point. Who through the interception Jersey did Josh did? They're gonna look
to him. You gotta perform at the same leve You're gonna call us out
and if you don't, then then you lose the confidence and everybody else.
Right, Josh doesn't do that. I don't think he loses that. I
think they're the type of team that always will rally against him one another,
which is fantastic in the good times, but in the bad times it just
spirals we're gonna find out and then really you ring that up, Greg,
The Bills really haven't had any real bad times since twenty nineteen. They really
haven't. I mean, think about the thing they go to THENFC Championship game
in twenty twenty. You know what they got beat by Kansasity can't see was
a better team. Nobody in the AFC was beating at Kansas City that year.
They just weren't. Twenty twenty one, they had him, They had
him with thirteen seconds to go, and that was an implosion, but like
it was too short. Everybody went home. It was, you know,
hey, let's go enjoy your winter, get ready to get it next year.
Last year they go fourteen and three, Damar Hamlin almost dies, right,
and then they go and they lose at home to Cincinnati. Well,
well they ever have been This is the first time they've really actually struggled with
this, this offense, this head, this coaching staff, this quarterback,
and now they got to figure that out. And maybe it's like a flu
shot where it's a good thing, it gets inside you and prevents other things.
But they got to get their act together. Question. Well, the
thing is that for me, I look at it from the perspective is that
this is the first time they've had these challenges on the field. They've had
adversity off the field, but on the field it's always been towards the end
they you know, they had against Jacksonville when day Bull was here. I
thought Dable at that point in time, responded well, the offense responded,
well, we had that against Jacksonville this year. I thought they'd respond well.
With Dorsey now as a leader as opposed to day Bold, he did
not. We then come in to you know, this game, thinking,
it's the freaking goddamn Patriots, who are not the Patriots of three, four
or five years ago. It's the Patriots to today, which is one of
the worst teams in the NFL. We're gonna we should win this game handedly.
It should be decisive, fourth quarter, should be more killing the clock,
big running game. It didn't happen. What the hell's going on?
I don't know. This is you almost hope that this is sort of that
mid season lull in a way, like you know, they kind of went
through and will we look back on this and go, man, that was
you know, scary, but it's fine. Everything worked out great. Or
are we going to go with this is where it all fell apart and what's
going on to it hurts? You have to be positive about player making a
play today too, because you've been all over him all so he did make
one day. You know, Kevin said, this era New England super Bowl
where it used to be for the Bills. Year was our super Bowl.
But I mean, are they playing up and the Bills playing I don't understand
what. I don't get what's happening. How do you go from Miami where
you blew them out to what we've seen the last three weeks. So I
think that, you know, I'm thinking these more in terms of business.
So when you look at it from a business perspective, is that you play
up, You play to your to your competition, you play to your space,
and when your space is like in technology, you got to be on
your a game. You got to be at the top of your game.
Change. You know, technology is changed in every thirty sixty ninety days.
You got to be there. Well, right now the Bills aren't playing up
to that a game they'reine got beat up by Barrymore and Dietrich Wise. Today
they just destroy them. And so when you look at this, and from
a business perspective, it's that you know, this is a maybe a mid
tier to mid upper tier team, and so they're and they're performing even below
that. I would say, yeah, but their talent is that And then
so the whole thing is that what do you need to do as an organization
to change that? And for me, it's all about holding each other accountable.
And and if McDermott, in my opinion, is if McDermott as the
ultimate leader of the team, gets on everybody for the lack of you know,
the blocks, lack of blocks, lack of catches, lack of tackling,
all of a sudden, these guys can be like fu, you're not
tackling, you're not blocking. Who the hell are you as the leader?
You're collecting all this money, You're not doing the damn work. We're doing
the work. It's got to come from within, and you got to hold
each other accountable. Josh has got to hold Digs accountable. And by the
way, I love Diggs, And when Diggs gave Josh shit last year,
it was because he wanted to win. When when he gave Josh shit or
he threw the pad in London, it's because he freaking didn't do what he's
supposed to do. I love that about Diggs. But you know what,
m effort, he dropped the ball. He should have caught. It would
have been twenty five yard on their side of the field. You would have
had one play to get in the freaking end zone and you would have had
to play to win the game. He didn't do it. You know what.
That's on goddamn Digs. Josh put the ball. We need to do.
That's a great throw. You gotta make the goddamn catch. Now nobody
wants to talk about that. Why because John, because it Digs. You
know what. I think Diggs would respond to that and be like, you
know what, f you, You're right, you know what, I gotta
do it. I gotta catch it. But at this point, going into
the play offs under the radar or are you better off going in on the
road talking about playoffs. Playoffs? Are we talking playoffs? Stop? Are
you kidding? I said that earlier. I'm not even I get nervous.
I really feel like it's it's it's a sinking ship. Well, I know
here's a's too dramatic, but it feels that way. Peyton Manning and the
Colts went through this. As he's referencing Jim Morrow. When they went through
that, what happened? Mora got canned and they brought in Tony Dungee and
Doungee was gonna fix the defense. He was gonna let Manning and Tom Moore
worry about the offense. Well, right now, he got two sides of
the ball that really need a lot of work. And I bring it back
to focus last week. They weren't focused this week. And when you when
you're star receiver, can't catch a ball in the heat of the game when
you're trying to win, that's a focus issue. Stupid penalties. He's diving,
hits him in the hands, created the ball into your body, use
your body. He's made that catch before. It looked like he had it
looked were year we were I was going crazy, a freaking great here we
go. But if you're gonna blow up McDermott, what are you going to
bring in? I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm saying this is
like mirroring what the Colts were going through back quack An He's not He's not
the guy they got fight. He and Dorsey, not Dorsey. He and
the general manager being Billy almost a Billy bean brand Brandon. They've signed like
five year contract contract. How many hockey Yeah, they've dismissed, They've dismissed
so many Sweet Sea Sweet executives. Terry's not going to just throw money down
into a knowing that situation all too well, that type of money, that
money doesn't factor into any of the decisions Terry Bigill is going to make about
Sean McDermot and Brandon bean I think what what for me with Terry? If
I were the owner, what I would call in is I would call Brandon
Bean in and I would call it, call Sean McDermott into the room,
and I would say, you've got to fix this, Sean, you got
to call these guys out. They're not performing. When Terry built his empire
in terms of the gas and oil expirations, Terry did it on his own
with a couple of key people that performed, and when he didn't perform,
Terry called them out. But that's what it takes, right, it is
what it takes. But it's an uncomfortable thing, and that it feels like
nobody very uncomfortable. Nobody feels that kind of Well. The other thing toolls
to me, if McDermott hasn't been doing it, go ahead, No McDermott.
If he hasn't been doing that all along, And I've never seen him
lose I've heard of him losing it on media members and behind closed doors,
and I can show you the text to prove that. But when it comes
to the team, when you don't lose it, all of a sudden you
start to lose it, no one's gonna believe you because your character from your
past is gonna give you away. So it's not like he could just walk
in and become Mike Ditko or Bob Knight or anybody like that. It's not
authensic. Your quarterback's got to do that. But he hasn't done it either,
So who's gonna be Who's gonna do it? They just got to just
play better and So for me, it's for me from a leadership role.
In the way I look at him from a business perspective is is either Brandon
Bean's got to become the bad guy or Terry got to become the bad guy.
Terry, Terry, he's the only he's got to become the bad guy
because he won't in my office, but he can in my office. In
my office, there's one bad guy. His name is gret To Military Tom
is actually a very good guy, believe tot. He does bring the donuts
and and he brings the fun. And you know, when when ship happens,
there's got to be a bad guy, and people rally around a common
enemy. Who's the common enemy on the bills right now there isn't one.
And they're by the way, which means everybody by the way, there's spir
This is a spiral right now, they're spiraling. I agree, I worry.
So who's the you rally in those situations around a common enemy. Who's
the common enemy? It used to be the Patriots, Yeah, you used
to be. It's now it's the Dolphins. But they don't play the Dolphins
until the last game of the year. I think you're kind of you have
to treat every team come in the rest of the season like they're the Kansas
City Chiefs. Yeah, because that's that's really ultimately, You're just gonna give
you the focus. Who's gonna who's gonna demand the attention of that? I
get that. Yeah, is it gonna be Josh, is gonna be Terry's
gonna be me? Sean mcderm because Sean McDermott hasn't done it. I mean,
look, one of the things I used to love about John Gruden and
criticized Gruden all you want, when he brought the intensity and and what brought
the Bucks from You know you you you had a phenomenal, wonderful coach.
Tony he couldn't get him over there. You know the story, right,
you know the story about Gruden, how he you want him over They're in
training camp, so Tony Dunge used to come, anything I can do to
make your camp a little bit better, Warren Sapp, I'll do it whatever
you need, right, So he's like, it's what's a Warren Sapp's telling
this story right in the that America his game and the Bucks won the Super
Bowl. So then here walks Cruden, right, and they run this play
uh in practice the first training camp practice, and they runs a bootleg for
a touchdown and Warren Sap starts yelling at John and Gruden goes, well,
you gotta pull a trick play and practice, and Cruden gets in his face
because they ran boot on you nine times and beat you last year, you're
gonna finally stop that play. All of a sudden, SAP's like, whoa,
I'm not dealing with Tony Dungee anymore, am I. I'm dealing with
a guy who's like a hard ass, and then all of a sudden who
had the information right, he was overly prepared, always he was. And
by the way, he's a prick and everybody can't stand him. There's a
bunch of bad stories in order to win an order to become six. Look,
Elon Musk is a prick too, Yeah, but to get where he
is you got to be a bit of a pres well. I think this
story on Gruden was when he was with Green Bay. He would ride his
bike in at three o'clock in the morning and sometimes have just a giant file
of all the plays and stuff. And I think he was a quarterbacks coach.
Maybe he was a quarterbacks coach. Yeah he wasn't a coordinator. No,
no, he was not. He was still working his way up at
the time, but overly like so prepared, always prepared. But that's what
you in order to get to the championship, in order to get to the
pinnacle of success in your space, in your profession, that's what it takes.
If you're okay with you know what, that's close. You know where
you're gonna be mediocre at be right where the bills are right now? All
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Kevin, Kevin, he hasn't said anything. You're trying to make a story
out of nothing. Order been Why haven't you said anything? Like? I
figured for sure you were to glow because he sent me something saying I wouldn't
care if we win two and fifteen this season as long as we win today.
And by the way, you just lost your first first pick of your
first round draft last year. Your quarterback you want is now gone because you
won this game. So f Bill Belichi. Now the Bears are winning games
too, So are they really? Yeah? The Bear? I think the
Bears won today. Yeah, they smoked the Raiders. The Bears. Really,
we just need the Panther just start winning out again. The Bears the
Bear's theory. So the rumor this morning was I don't know if you heard
this no, which is kind of silly after us. But the story is
that Lincoln Riley is ready for the NFL. He and Caleb Williams can go
to Chicago together. They'll get eber flues out as the head coach, and
then they get the second pick, which would be Marvin Harrison Junior out of
Ohio State. That could be potentially day by the way he depends today by
himself, Yes he did, because that was it. That was it.
But Williams wants ownerships take wherever, which they're never gonna get it. That's
the NFL said the wish. First of all, they ruled it out.
And now no owner, no businessman, is ever going to give equity to
it to anyone who has improved themselves. Period. Have you met anybody left
the last night of Davis? He probably would. No, he would not.
You know why because he's croaking old man. Yeah, paid life dearly
to get that equity ownership. And I've met Mark Davis, and Mark Davis
is a bit of a funny, fluky guy. But one thing he understands
is money. Yeah, and by the way, haircuts. But this is
it, this is what the killer when he asked about the equity thing.
So I did again having my interest in the bills and all that. So
you sell a team, so the Raiders franchise, bring up Mark Davis is
at four billion dollars. Yeah, one percent. Yeah, one percent of
that team million is forty million dollars. Forty millions. That's more than his
That's more than most freaky contractor how much is Brady trying to get with the
raiders they have they sent how much percentage? Yeah, he was looking at
two and a half percent, but he but he bought it though, or
he's trying to buy it's yeah, yeah, it's understanding. But I'm just
one hundred million. It's like one hundred million dollars, which is and again,
I mean one hundred million has a shitload of money. But Mark davis
whole thing is that, I mean, you want the money, but you
know, saving that and having that and building the equity and developing your team
and generating the revenue out of the two and a half percent of your net
profit is where you get your money. And you know how much as long
is it gonna take you to make that money back? There is not a
chance in hell that one NFL owner, uh, the nim nod out out
of Washington that just got Dan Schuiderider I jokingly said he might be one who'd
be it because he's such a nim nod. But you know, he was
so driven based on money that I don't think even he would do it.
There's nobody's going to give anybody ownership interest. There's a rookie by the way
there, just give him stock options. The NFL is actually growing, which
is worth nothing. The NFL is actually growing into some dangerous territory. And
here's what I mean. You see what's happened in baseball, right, Baseball
outs core per ownership well teams. Basically in baseball, corporate corporations who are
like you know, are on the index and the S and P and all
that stuff. When they own teams, they're all about the bottom line.
So they could put a crap product and just pull a profit. Right.
The NFL has never wanted that. The problem is, these NFL teams are
more and more expensive every year, Like the days of Terry Pagola buying a
team for one point four million or billion billion, let's say now it's now
the bills are probably worth around three or four and that price is only going
to continue to go up. And now you need thirty percent ownership in cash
to own the team. That's gonna be les and less. You're gonna start
to see corporate in the NFL all corporations to buy teams, and then we're
gonna have a problem because the quality play is gonna go down. I don't
think so. You don't think so. I don't think so. To be
ownership groups, yeah, I don't think so. Well they have if you
have a corporate I mean Denver well, yeah, cash though, yes.
Well. The other thing is that the NFL limits the number of minority owners.
Yeah, and they do that because I mean, legally, you own
one percent, you can f everything up for the majority owners. Yeah.
All you got to do is have a stake in the outcome and say that
somebody is wasting assets and depleting assets and not preserving their their interest and then
you can make like freaking hell for them. And that's why that's why Terry
and Kimpagola owned this team one hundred percent. There's no minority owner. I've
asked you have. There's no owners, and they will they will not have
minority owners. It wasn't the former team president, because there was always I
just want to clean because there was a rumor that Ralph left his designated grandson
a piece of the team when he died. That's not true. Well,
he may have he was a managing partner at one point. He may have.
But when the Pagoulas bought the bought the franchise from the estate, they
purchased it and there are no the Pagoulas own this team one. Yeah,
despite my my ask and there and there's you know, Jim asked a lot
of people gunderson Is that wanted to get in on it, and they don't
want to have to Kim and Terry said, we're good. I had four
dollars almost five. I think that, I mean, what how do you
feel about that? I could see where why it would be beneficial, Well,
I could see why it would be beneficial to not have to listen to
Kelvin's bullshit about this. No. No, that's the thing. But these
teams is they get more and more expensive, right, you know, the
ownership stake is going to that you have to have with cash lower and lower.
The fact that you could get one hundred million dollars for two percent for
two percent, God, and you're going to make money on that hundred million,
yeah, you know. And so for and from the Pakools perspective is
that their whole point was like, look, we don't need the money.
No, and so, but we want to do it our way. Yeah,
and if you give somebody one percent interest, they can f up your
way. Who wants that headache? I wouldn't definitely wouldn't know. I'd like
to be that headache. But no, I put down I haven't got one
percent. Imagine wait, but could you imagine if Greg had one percent of
the bills right now? Oh my gosh, Cherry Jones, he be Jerry
Jones. He'd be down on the field. He'd be yelling, who's this
guy? Oh? That's one percent owner? Could you get a meeting as
a one percent owner? Could you have a meeting with McDermott and tell yeah,
you could get And if they didn't get one, I'd see him for
it. I would sue him. We walk in. Okay, you're damn
right now. Funny how one? I mean? But one percent percent it's
minile school, it's nothing, but in cost astronomical they can be huge astronomical.
That's crazy, which is why Tim and carry Tim and Kim and Terry
wouldn't give me one percent of the process, because because I would fucking lose
my ship right now, And I would say, would I would want to
talk to Ken Dorsey first and then I want to talk to you. It's
it's funny because you watch guys like Magic Johnson, who's got like ownership in
the in the Dodgers, the Dodgers, he's got ownership and uh, I
think the Washington Washington, Yes he does. Yeah. So, and you
wonder, like when they have these meetings and stuff. Look, look who's
the uh what's his name? The Dwarkins have a percentage of the Sacrament of
Respects and they get to go to the meetings and things. Yeah, so
anytime there's some kind of meaning. And I think their percentage is fairly small,
but it's but it gets you a seat at the table for they're anywhere
from two to five. Yeah, what I recall, Right, so a
fairly small percentage of the team, but yet you're in there for meetings.
To your point, you could really create some headaches for people. Right now,
I can make a lot of Yeah, right now. I think the
Buffalo Bills need somebody that's going to create headaches. I think we found them.
They Hey, can I buy a percentage of your percentage? They need
create headaches. I'm on the board behind the the board by the board.
It's like the play PlayStation. Oh yeah, well, it's gonna be an
interesting week. What happens interesting week? Yes, four days, this is
what I'm saying. That's why. But it's always interesting when the Bills lose.
Isn't it not the Bills? Any team that loses right when all of
a sudden, if you're a fan of that team, how your whole week
gets shaped by this? You watch Dallas fans, you watch anybody. But
this week is it's a short week. You're going into it. I mean,
you're gonna be up at the game Thursday night. I will, You'll
be down on the field, you'll try to find McDermott, you'll get in
a zero litit. It will be great. Tell that you're one I'm almost
that you're one percent owner. The one good thing is it's a short week.
Well that is I have least time to lament over the debacle that occurred
in the fourth quarter. Isn't it something like Okay, let's say the Bills
lose today. You kind of get over it by Tuesday, but then it
kind of rears its ugly head again by Thursday, and by Friday, and
then Saturday, you're kind of on pins and needles. Thinking, is this
team going to figure it out? At least that's how I feel. I
feel like by the midweek that Tuesday, Wednesday, it's all right, we
kind of move on Thursday. Now the games start again. Granted they're playing
this Thursday, but let's say they weren't. You start to then you know,
you're making your picks. You start to worry. You start reading more.
Now that it's like everybody's writing before the game. You're reading. The
Athletic comes out with more stuff keys to the game. Everybody's got their keys
to the game, and it rears its ugly head and it like ruins your
entire week. Okay, so I don't know about your listeners, but this
is the way I look at it. I need a therapy session. Fortunately
tonight this is my therapy session. You're saving like two hundred and fifty bucks
on my therapist, so you can put that twitch your bills, you tomorroshw.
We're in therapy, all dead at the bottom. Oh my god.
Yeah, I'm gonna have probably a little bit more therapy later uh tomorrow.
You know. Normally I like vet through it. I talk about the game
all day and then I try to work through it. So Tuesday, I'm
better, and then Wednesday I start to think, Okay, look, I
gotta look to Wednesday, right, so next week is normal? Okay if
the Bucks were a Sunday game and be like, Okay, Wednesday, I
look at the Bucks and then I think about the Bucks and I do my
research. I look at it and I think about what's going on. So
then I'm distracted from the last game until Friday. Until Friday, and then
it starts to rear its ugly. And then Friday I start to reflect,
yes, about where we were, where we're going, and then I'll go
back and watch the all twenty two? Do you I don't have to all
twenty two? How is that possible? You must if you have read Zone
I think I do. Gil Plus Yeah, I don't know's a ticket?
Why? Because I'm I'm working too much. I don't have to. I
don't even have the time to figure it out. Somebody's getting I need somebody
that can Tomorrow, God figure this out for me. Who's gonna get getting
fired around first? But so that's Friday, I begin to reflect back on
the last week, and then I get all worked up. I get him
the Saturday and then I watched the Penn State gamesday wins. I then look,
I'm like, I bounce back to the forward. If they lose like
yesterday, I just lament on the bad I felt bad for that. Is
this the first the first year quarterback? Yeah, well he's a sophomore,
first year started, first year. I'm looking at that stadium yesterday. I
mean, you are a sea of red. It's just an awful environment.
I go, boy, how do you go from? I mean, really,
the last time you were starting games, you were in high school.
Now you're here and granted you're at the Horseshoe, but people that just could
you imagine like we all as fans, but try to put yourself in that.
I go, boy, that is a that's a learning curve like I've
never seen. To me. The closest thing to getting that college having been
at Penn State for the white out games and all that in the Michigan House,
Michigan Penn State game. The closest environment you can get to that in
the NFL is being in Philadelphia as a visiting team. Oh, because the
visiting the Philadelphia fans are the worst in the NFL. That the most abusive,
that the most violent, they're the most obnoxious fans of NFL the VET
they may be the worst of all any true the hooligans of Europe, I
don't. I think the Eagles fans can compare. Maybe it gets pretty ugly
over there, but when you think about it, and in the NFL,
you know, you go to a Bills game, You've got seventy five percent
eighty percent Bills fans, right, and then the others And Bills fans in
Buffalo are one of the top five worst stadiums to visit as an await team.
Yeah, oh terrible. But but when you go to Penn State,
it's ninety percent five percent Penn State students, family alums. Yeah, that's
it. And it's a much more collegial environment. It's not as abusive as
you go to Philadelphia. We go to Philadelphia, we go there in what
four weeks five weeks now. People say you're gonna go to the game.
I'm like, if I go to the game, I'm wearing green because I
don't want to get hurt. Right, it's rough for outsiders. I know
it is. Ron Lady video to herself going in in Minnesota gear, and
I actually thought it was fairly mild for Philadelphia and people were commenting like crazy,
but I saw the video. There was no nothing outlandish, nothing,
I mean being in Columbus. And keep in mind he grew up like yeah
from that and he was abused even more sure he was. He was getting
all kinds of social media harassments and threats, and his family was. This
is where it's so hard now because so much of our life has lived here.
And I used to always ask the bills and which really when you think
back when we were doing training camp and stuff, Danny, it was so
early in social media. But I would always say, you have now a
way to get right to the pocket of the player. And who was it
Watkins who snapped back at everybody walking. Let's go back to like working,
y'all's crashing, wrapping, crappy jobs, crappy jobs and crushing rocks or do
whatever you do it, you know what I mean, because you lose it
after a while and we we hear about, you know, all the social
media stuff. And that's where I think one of the first things if any
anybody makes some money, hire somebody to handle your social media and get it.
Just do not handle it now. I mean I get it for branding,
and you need that sort of thing, but don't go near. But
you're young. You got more testosterone than probably most people on the planet.
That's why you're playing one of the toughest games. And you're gonna tell me
I couldn't handle it. I'd be out of my mind? Do you be
out of my mind? Do you really think that those guys had more testosterone
than you? I think that I do for some reason I watch now.
I don't know, because I will say that, you know, if you
get into those exhilarating you know, things that get your adrenaline pumping, right,
I don't know whatever that is at whatever age you're at. It's all
it's different for everybody. But you know, like if I get to go
race a car, I'm buzzing for the next couple of hours after that,
and I remember what's his name? With some of the players talking about how
they would go to Toronto after a one o'clock game to the casinos because they
were open later and just to blow off steam because they're adrenaline was pumping.
I don't know. I think I sometimes think you have to, don't you
a little bit? Like more testosterone than the rest of the planet. Uh
percentage, maby, I don't know. I don't know. I I get
so freaking I think it's more for me. You know, as we get
older, we get we have more life experience, we get more perspective.
Yes, and so we can regulate wisdom, we can regulate. Yes,
So I get I can't regulate. He came out during the fourth quarter and
that last drive, and I thought he was gonna punch me in the face.
I run outside of me by myself. I tried to kick Danny out.
There comes Craig walk and I'm like, gonna punch me. No ways,
twenty years ago, I may have, but I'm matured. Would have
been so funny if you tackled him into the pool person of a one of
these. The first thing I thought of when the freaking Bills blewed on on
uh when when when the Patriots scored, was I'm a fucking tackle Kevin.
And then I was like, ah, yeah, I'm not gonna do that.
I would have would have fucking form tack of it. It's brought right
in with my arm off level challenge with the cornhole again. I would have
laid my hand upon his forehead t play I played cornal. I want to
freaking hurt people. I played in front of the goddamn bag I lose.
I want to hoop a board. Yeah, the testospital level, I think.
I don't know. There's medical professional that will tell me I'm wrong.
But I still have I still get that drive. I just I temper it
because I know the consequences. I know I shouldn't do it. Because socially,
I've learned my parents. I mean, you know, my peers.
You showed me I shouldn't be that way. Believe me. Someone showed up.
We had big tea here, little tea here, and too much tea
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of the film. Danny is a singer. What happened to his voice over
the year? I mean it's bad. And then rock singers typically don't have
trained voices, so what happened? They're not like you know, they're not
especially trained. So what happens is when you years of excess like Samn Tyler
is a perfect example. It just it just kills your voice. Well,
I think Steven Tyler sounded really good for a long time. Even Mick right
bon Jovie all of a sudden, I mean, in the last tour was
really bad. You know who sounds bad? Axel Rowe, Axl Rose sounds
bad. Joe Elliott from def Leppard sounds pretty bad. Yea. Vitch Deals
is the worst, though he's leader in the Colubou seventy years old, I
know, But I'm talking about Mick Jaggers eighty and I think he sounds he
sounds pretty good. He's outs all right recorded. Yeah. Look, Tom
Brady was like fifty when he retired last year. I mean, you have
an exception to every rule. Yeah, there is an exception. You're right,
that's the exception. Guys are seventy you give the guy a break.
I don't know, although that song sucks. I'm a mer jing you're I
mean, he's a pearl jam f Eddie Vedder doesn't even sound like he used
to. I mean, he's a baritone. That kind of just tells you
just years of just usage and not taking care of your voice, that's what's
gonna happen. So I watched the Beckham documentary. I don't know if anybody's
watched that on Netflix. It's actually pretty good and it's interesting just about kind
of his life. You don't realize what a big star he is. We
and I would always thought in the United States we hold our athletes to a
higher standard than our politicians. Now it's a global thing. I mean,
holy shit, they're I mean over there, it's it's insane. Yeah.
And so when they go to the World Cup, England goes to the World
Cup and he gets a red card where it I mean even that they even
go and interview the player from uh. I don't think it was Argentina.
Maybe it was it was the South American team that they He basically says,
I flopped. He's like, I flopped, He goes, I totally took
a die, but it looked like it would be a yellow card. If
anything, he gets a red card, he's ejected from the game. They
wind up losing in a shootout. And I mean, he couldn't go anywhere
that he wasn't getting spit on and shit thrown at. And he's twenty three
years old. Imagine that at twenty three years old. So this talt documentary
and then he went. He goes in. He plays for Real Madrid,
which is the team he wanted to and while he was there, it starts
coming out that he had an affair, and it's headlines everywhere all over the
place. They do. He was married at the time, yes to Pash
Yes, and they had kids, and she was still over in England.
She hadn't made the move to Spain yet And so he doesn't deny it,
but doesn't really talk about it. It's just that was a private issue.
So now the woman that had the affair is coming out and talking about it
and yeah, and this is the thing that I go, okayosh, she's
got the piss Well I don't know, she said, she yeah, because
he's he is the owner of the Miami soccer team rights owner. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I don't know what percent. He was a player who
got partial ownership. Yes, he is what we talked about, just the
segment. But I think he got partial ownership then, well only after Yeah,
so by the negotiation. Yeah, I think has probably, But again
this is the guy. But at this time, he had been playing soccer
for like fifteen years at the highest, ultimate, highest level. He's like
the Lebron James and Michael Jordan. When he came and played for the LA
Galaxy, I don't know what. I think that was a two hundred and
twenty five million dollar twenty five and the league helped kick in the money for
Yeah, but I don't think he had any ownership past his prime. But
the bad part there is that some of the other guys are making eighteen grand
in MLS or less. Okay, no one's coming over. Well they suck.
It's what you bring to the one hundred percent. I agree with you,
and I never Poshpice didn't divorce him because what he brought to the table.
Well, okay, so we don't. He says, no, you
no, no, that's she says. This woman says in there that she
she feels like he's misleading people in some way. The person the affairs,
Beckham. David Beckham is misleading people about the affair, and she says and
I guess her social media blew up. Now she's not named in the documentary.
They never say who it is. It's just that people. I mean,
this is my question. So I got at first, I started to
have a real problem with this. I go, why is she even coming
out and saying anything. She's married, she lives in Norway, her husband's
a doctor, she's got two kids. She's saying that her kids at any
point can go look up stuff on the documentary. She wants Beckham to own
this, to own what say my name? Well, I don't know.
But the other side of this was I started to think, I go,
we have a double standard in the world. I think when it comes to
affairs that no matter what I mean. The joke from Chris Rock always was
a man is only as faithful as his options. So that was the job.
I mean, he did that on the stage. A man is only
as faithful as his options. So then we put all the owners. Then
is on the woman. But Beckham was the one who was married. This
woman wasn't at the time, she wasn't married, so why why would she?
I don't So the question I would have is if she said, if
what she said? What you just said? She says, and I also
have a family, and I also have children, and they also have Google
and they can also watch documentaries. And all I want them to know is
that their mother was brave enough to stand up against them and to stand up
for the truth. So what is the truth? I mean did she say?
Did she say? I mean, look, if she were single and
she was twenty, whatever the relationship was, and she was with him,
why is she not? I mean, I mean she made a conscious decision,
as did he. Truth is, his decision was worse than hers.
Yeah, his decisions were worse than hers in my opinion. Yes, because
he's married and had kids. Right, I agree, So why would I
mean that's well, he said, that's a him issue, not a her
issue. He said, I don't know how he got through it. He
says this in the documentary. David Beckham, in regards to the affair and
dealing with Victoria, said I don't know how we got through it. Uh,
And then he said between him and his wife, Yeah, he said,
I don't know how we got I'm guess five hundred million reasons. How
they well, at one point they go, she was pretty success, so
she could have said fu, she was successful in her own right, right,
and now I think has one of the biggest, most expensive clothing lines
in the world. Let you go further to Victoria Beck, what's that you
go further together? Though, Yeah, I agree, So that's the right
partnership. You Well, here's the thing that's so tough, is like they
I mean, we think the paparazzis here. You know, in the break
we were talking to your cousin and he said something about TMC and I said,
you know, like I'm not a big fan of the paparazzi type shit
because I always think that it's a little intrusive. You got to see what
it is in England. I mean, it is absolute and crazy in Saturday.
I mean, we watched what happened with princes walked around the street,
but that was the police. But they were they were so right up to
In the documentary, David is playing for real Madrid. He and Victoria go,
this is after the affair, after all the headlines and everything. They
go to the Swiss Alp for some ski vacation. They can't even walk out
the front door of their ski chalet without paparazzi right there snapping photos. It
reminds me of Bill Moan about a year ago. I remember we did it
from his table. We were in the board. It psyched him out.
It was the condes retreat of the kitchen. Uh. But that I I
was looking at this two ways, because you know, she's saying, I
have a family. I want them to know. I don't know what that
is. What would that be in her mind that this has to come out.
Her name is never mentioned in the document. It's not she ever talked
about like she was in the press. She had to be her name is.
Her last name is loose l o O. S is that her or
her maid? But her? Because she didn't get mentioned paid that's what it
is. Yeah, he says, I understand he has an image, he
image to preserve, but he is portraying himself as the victim and he's making
me look like a liar. And he never says anything. He just says
what most people should say about an affair. None of your business is between
me and my wife. I would think that that seems like a pretty valid
answer to anybody, know anybody in an explanation, but I mean, look,
I can only offer you from a male's perspective. Me too, That's
why. And I've never been in the David Beckham side of it, so
I don't as it. I mean, if you if you're not guilty of
the accusation in my opinion, Again, I'm not David Beckham size, but
I would deny it. I would say, you know, like it's damn
business. And I mean this was like every I mean, I mean,
look, I've been look, you and Kevin Dan, you guys are all
big popular guys, and I'm sure people always talk about you. And certain
times people tell stories really aren't true and may be true in their mind,
but in other people's reality it's like not true, but it's funny, and
people like Glant and then then they give their own version of it, and
then their own version of it's told and next thing, you know, the
story that actually occurred is so different than the reality of it, and you're
just like, are you affing kidding me? People know who I am.
It's this woman and is basically saying in the documentary, she feels like it's
made to look like she made victorious offer she's the reason it's his issue.
Wow. See that's just the thing. But I think that that's a societal
thing. I think that most times when there's an affair, we look at
the woman as the bad person. I mean, look at Bill Clinton and
uh oh, Monica Monica Lewinsky, and she was a young twenty three year
old girl who knew no different, and she was she's the one that man
she got like, I mean, blasted everywhere? Or did we not?
It's called a Lewinsky? Do we not give oral sex a whole new name?
It was her last name. Yeah, I didn't give it that name,
but no, but I mean people did, Yeah, people did.
And that's all I'm saying is it's like a double standard. Boy, I
guess we really do in a way make the woman the villain. The villain
villain, Yeah, the villain as opposed to the guy, as opposed to
the guy who's just as guilty, if now worse. Well, the guy
is definitely worse. And as a man, I hate saying that it's one
time women need to step up because men are guilty for everything else, so
women to step up on this one here, Well, you know, and
I guess it's like, who's reporting it? How are they reporting? Right?
I think if you had a woman reporting it as opposed to men back
in back in the back, in the Clinton times, it was predominantly men
in the industry, and so their reporting of it was slanted, probably because
they're trying to protect and preserve their own right. Yeah, it wasn't a
ken of Starr who was going after Clinton, but he had a he had
an a fair himself. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you know,
I think that was another I think that was around Chris Rock had a special
back then, and I think he did a whole thing on how Hillary really
dropped the ball and it was her fault that the affair, and she should
have just said to her, hey you can, you can tickle his balls.
But I got this that was so Yeah, I think it was.
I think it was Bigger, Badder Blacker was the name of the special.
Yeah, if you go back and look it up, he had a whole
This is definitely a topic that needs a woman's perspective, Okay, definitely.
Yeah. I can't offer that, no, because I am I am.
I look at it from the perspective of, well, I'm just looking at
it as a guide. I tried to step back because at first, I'm
going, what is this broad doing. Why is she saying anything? Who
cares? No, your name was never mentioned, all right, so you
know it and he knows it, But why what are you trying to extract
from the other side. You can't get an indorsement without your name being on
the other side of it. I thought there is a weird thing here that
we make it all about their fault. There's definitely a double stand Yeah,
I mean yeah, but I think that I think it's starting to slide as
much back the other direction, the other direction than anything I mean in not
that it shouldn't because I think men, I mean, look, we live
in a male dominated world, whether you're in law, whether you're in medical,
whether you're in you know, general business. It's a government, it's
a male dominated field, and so you know, women have a lot to
overcome and and we need to police ourselves and make better. Well. See,
that's the thing is double standard, there is. There would be some
people that would get upset though that. Let's say a woman came in here
and she started to flirt with Dan knowing Dan's married, and then if Dan
falls and Dan has a weak moment then all of a sudden, is it
Dan's fault or is it her fault or everybody's. Yeah, I would say
at that point I would go say, no, it's kind of kind of
on you. You you knew as well. Yeah, No, it's it's
on everybody involved. Yeah. Look, it's once you get over the age
of twenty five, Yeah, and you're married, you have every ownership and
the decisions that you make. I don't care how good looking, I don't
care where the hell you are. You know, Look, I've been in
Vegas, where you know, everything happens in Vegas days in Vegas, you
know what it doesn't especially so if you make that decision, and David Beckham
made the decision, yes, he's got to own it whatever it is.
I mean, now keep in mind if he and Posh work it out and
and they work through that, you know what, God blessed them. But
I mean, that's that's between that that that's what I say too, I
should always do private, but that it was just an interesting thing that I
saw. And look, guys that are guys that are in the spotlight.
Yeah, there is a higher standard, or there's a higher ridicule of decisions
that they make. I mean guys like you, guys like Kevin, your
decisions are ridiculed much more than the guys who are working at Genesee Brewery putting
the hops and in the bar league. And which, by the way,
we should complain sometimes if they don't get that ratio right, if they don't
get it right because they're flirting with the girl next to him and they're having
an affair, that, yeah, they should get ships. I think we're
I hate I hate putting everything on society. But now everybody's got a phone,
right, so yes, everyone's got a Twitter account or a Facebook account
where my opinion matters, and I'm gonna critique everybody else. And it's like
just's just to gain some type of I guess it's called social media cloud.
I don't know. It's ridiculous. Everyone's got like a talk show on their
phone and that's what they do. And it's like everybody criticizes everything. Like
it's like it's a sporting event. We know, we can't play pro football.
That's the kind of the joke, right, you can't. We can't.
We watch it, we talk about it, but everybody knows and the
players know that we're just like watching it is entertainment when we're talking about other
people's lives and stuff, you know, like the Bible is a verse pick
pull the speck out of your own eye before you get pointing the one in
somebody else's, and we don't do that. Now. Now, now you're
a jerk. You're a jerk. You're a jerk. Hey, look I'm
a deruk too, but you're a bigger jerk. Now what did Jesus say,
turn the other cheek and look the other way? Yeah? Right,
So what did Posh say about it? She has just said anything? Really,
you said, it's in a in a it's in the documentary. She
doesn't really say anything about it. They kind of bring it up to David
and she just kind of remains quiet. She talks about that time, having
the headlines, being home with the kids, uh, not being around,
you know, not being there, so not knowing, but having the press
ask her questions, you know, all the headlines things going on, and
then moving to Madrid and how uncomfortable she felt. Well, I mean,
when you think about it, because you looking at her money in her twelve
care diamond ring. I think there's a song about that, you know,
I think about it. You you know, you think about the everyday person
that lives in Rochester Monroe County, and you know whether you're a husband or
or a wife, and these things happen in relationships. Yes, I didn't
respond to that, And how you respond to it is a reflection upon the
circumstances why it happened, and then where you're going to go from there?
What is your goal? If your goal is to stay married to the person
that you fell in love with, you will perhaps make decisions that other people
will never understand. I know people is not to be married to that person
and you don't want to be there. You'll use that as the end of
this to move on. But you know what, that's not I'm not here
to say that's the right or wrong decision. It's between you two. I
mean, I don't give a shit the uh. I know people who have
had infidelity in their marriage and stayed together. I do too, Yeah,
and worked it out, And I think to myself, what the fuck are
they doing? Yeah, how could you do that? I've thought that too,
And then at the same time, I think sometimes there's just so much
invested in Maybe that's where citing circumstances, yeah, or somebody some maybe,
or it could be the fact that you really realize how much you love the
other person and when a mistake you made and they try to fix things I
don't know, and the reasons why the infidelity you've heard you know the circumstances
behind it. But and again, and I do believe that you can evolve
in through communication to to move past it as long as you can ultimately trust
that person and things have been changed. If that's the situation, right,
But who am I to judge? Who? I don't you know? Life
is right? I mean I can't. Well, I think most people I
grew up in horn On, New York. I mean, everybody was blood
related, some way related. Anyway, Sonier, that's all hell. But
I think most people we worry that all everybody's talking about this or everybody's thinking
that. Well, think of who is your everybody? Who's everybody? Most
people move on, they got their own ship. Believe me, everybody's dealing
with stuff that You're not the center of everybody's world. Cousin Tim is talking
about it that mic. It's never gonna stop. I'm gonna hear about it
every fucking time. I say him. If he doesn't hear about it,
then I'm fine. It doesn't it's not really happening. We'll take a moment,
we come back, we'll wrap it up as we look ahead to the
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that you sent that message over to you. Don't get angry with him,
Greg, No, that's bullshit. I am angry. I'm angry Mary Sean,
this is uh. After listening to the album about three times, I
think this is one of the better songs. This the woman Lady Gaga.
I like the second one too, Yeah, and I'd like I do like
the one that Keith sings on and he sounds pretty good. Keith Richards.
Yeah, I mean that's just here. I've listened. We'll play some of
it later in the week. But uh, there they've been everywhere, the
Rolling Stones. I mean they're on a media blitz like I haven't seen in
a long time. Are they going to be at high Mark this summer?
Rumor is yes, but I have seen nothing. I would love this of
the Stones one time. Ever, Seed, I don't know, I'm gonna
have to maybe you'll have to make a phone call. I think that may
be happening, all right. And what's cool is that though, Well,
the thing is like I wonder if it'll be I don't know if it'll if
it'll be that low. That's the question I have because they were supposed to
come. The whole question visit at that ticket price is is that what the
market rate is? Or is that the secondary market? I don't know.
Like Taylor Swift, I mean Taylor Swiss, whole thing is that her ticket
pricing is. I mean, it's it's high, but when when it goes
to the secondary market, it goes up on it's outrageous crazy. The uh
the Stones were supposed to come. They were playing and by the way,
that's great marketing. It is great market. So it's all marketing. So
the uh, The Stones were coming and Jordan was graduating high school. My
high school graduation president was tickets to see the Stones in uh October of eighty
nine down to Chase Stadium. So I thought, oh, well, my
brother I take Yeah, my brother and I were going to take him to
the to the show, and they were going for five hundred apiece. Holy
yeah. And that was like upper level and this was just a secondary market
that way. I think that was I think that was just I'm pretty sure
that was going face value. The issue is it's not a one hundred and
twenty city tour. It's nine cities, and you're getting what you're getting.
Yeah, so it tries a price up like crazy. Yeah. And then
they played a private show for Universal employees in New York City in a small
get and go. God, that I would love. There's something to me
about intimate settings. Yeah. I like live entertainment, whether it be a
play, a musical comedy, especially in a small venue. To birthday.
Yeah, you don't count on that right here on the patio. Yeah,
it's gotta be a little bigger show than that. I think Mick was on
Saturday night laugh. Last night they did a I think it was Sister Act
three, and he came out into this who are you you, beautiful monster?
This is bad bunny, bad bunny musical act and energic. Yeah,
man, would you did? Here comes Mack dressed in allyes and noun fuck.
I confess it was me with the one who corrupted these poor women with
my lips and my literally with my penn. He's eighty years old. Isn't
it outrageous? I mean, you start thinking about the number of people who
didn't even make it that long, you go, Holy God, and then
Keith Richards is I will not make it that long? Yeah, you will,
well not if the bills. I don't know about the people that are
listening. But when we're watching in that game at the end, in the
fourth quarter, at the very end, I felt like a giraffe or a
freaking elephant was sitting on my chest. You did say that? You did
you come by and say that you did say that? Yeah? Is that
normal? I know I don't think so. I don't think I don't think
that is. But you work out enough, if you take care of yourself.
God, yeah, yeah. The metabolism of like a twelve year old.
I'm not allowed. Man, did you work out today? I did?
I did. I did it because I knew it was gonna be.
I was hoping it wouldn't be a RESTful game, it wouldn't matter. I
was like, if it is, I want to make sure I have a
cardio bask when you don't work out, can you feel it? Oh?
Yeah, you know it's noticeable, right, noticeable? Yeah? Well,
I just saw a thing with uh Mark Wahlberg is coming out with his own
shoe now really Yeah. Municipal is the name of I think his company,
and they're coming out. They partnered with something else, and he's on this
big tour I saw. I don't know where I stumbled on this. The
guy is walking into a gym at three thirty in the morning. Oh,
it's insane. He so he works out at three thirty. I'd be walking
into the gym at three thirty coming back from work. He was like,
we got it. Eat on the road by five point fifteen. He did.
He He did work out of three thirty. He did an ice bath
for recovery. After that. He does devotion and prayer every morning where he
sits and like the Rock does the same thing the Rock does, and I
think there's a the other one that doesn't. They're up at like five o'clock.
She said. I worked till eight o'clock last night. This is what
Mark Wahlberg said. And we're walking into the gym at three thirty in the
morning. Kobe was always one too. That was a story about Kobe at
the Olympics. All the guys were coming back to party, always going to
the gym. I know, But what time are they going to bed?
That's my thing. That's yeah, because like you can't just like sacrifice sleep.
No, you can't do he can't do it will catch up. I
try to get to bed by eleven. Some days it's midnight or one.
How about you, Dan, I get to bed about midnight, calv ten,
ten thirty. What do you do? Two? One one one?
What's time to get up? This? Six thirty? Well quarter to seven?
Seven? Yeah, maybe I need to take and then work out.
Yeah you work out right away? Yeah? Yeah, I always try.
I like the dogs out and then I workout. I usually I don't.
I usually now have been saving it, so I I leave in the middle
of the day at lunch, I'll leave and I'll work out and then I'll
go back. Well, I would say mid day. I've never done workout
just because I get mid days. I work out in the morning and then
by mid day I get lull. Yeah, if I don't have some energy
like meaning, or I get pissed off about something and then I get a
little drops. We're fine. We're finding the theme here. Pissed off.
That pissed off SAPs your energy more than anything, affect your kidneys. It
like it like motivating to me, motivate. I get pissed off. I
want to it doesn't win. I want to win. But then doesn't it
like when it all that adrenaline leaves your body, aren't you sort of exhausted
after that? It is? And then I'm like, fuck, I better
step up and make it happen. I gotta, I gotta, I'll step
up. Now, I got it. You know what, You're right.
I need to focus more on the positive. Yes, I'm a big on
that. I'm a big believer you are. And I try to channel Bill
Moran about two thirty miles. If you can find the positive. Yeah,
Now, I always think that that's a shot the same relationships, But I
channels Bill Moran tooth. Nepton tells a dick joke and walk back in his
office. I don't I usually don't think that the uh, you can't tell
somebody to think positively. I think that that that's horrible. You have to
find a way to feel better, feel better about the situation or whatever it
is, like climb that emotional scale. Although when you're building a team and
you're building a relationship, it's a it's all a matter of perspective. So
when when something happens, if you think about you know, it's like the
Bill's lost today and I'm fucking ripped right now, right Dan's closest, we
can play closest, and what was the final score today? But we got
to we got a game in four days. Yes, gotta think positive,
got to turn around. You gotta move forward. Behind us, it's over,
it's down behind We gotta move forward. We got a big weekend games.
Focus but think about hang on, think about you. I need that
person in mind. Take me. Take me into a court case, the
court case that goes unexpectedly, something happened, something comes up. They've got
something you didn't you weren't aware of, you didn't see it. You got
to put that behind there, there's another one coming, and there's another one
after that. Yeah. And and with the case that didn't go the way?
Is that went the way we'd hoped? It's like, Okay, that
matter, But how do we correct it? Yes? What can we do
to then like remedy it to then move forward? How do we learn to
put ourselves in a better perspective and moving forward? And then the next case,
it's like, Okay, did I what did I learn from this case
that we can move forward on? And how can I learn from it?
But oftentimes in the bills, I get honkered down on them. Well,
here's why I'm gonna tell you why I think. I think I know too.
What do you think of this? You can't control it? That's exactly
what I was gonna say, because you, like me, are a control.
I've learned you're a control I learned after you got to fix it.
If anybody's gonna fix it, it's gonna be me. Divorce control. What's
the point I'll work though, I'll fuck it. I'll get up at seven,
I'll get up at five, and I'll work till two in the morning.
I don't care I did that. I've done it. I do it.
It's just you know what's crazy. He's like today yesterday was Penn State
Day. Yes, and I love Penn State. But it's not like mine.
No, it's not. It's not. So I get up at like
eight, eight thirty. Yeah, this morning, six o'clock, I got
up, worked out out. I was up at Fushler, got up at
six, worked out. It did work for the office. I went and
got all the food, all that shit. What is wrong with me?
Nothing? Nothing? You know what it is. You provide, You provide
a wonderful thing for everybody else, like everybody else had a great time today,
of course, and get you want to help out in the patio watching
the game next Saturday is Alfred. Oh yeah sure. Oh at Fisher people
are gonna die. Oh my god. Now, years ago we had a
big bet on this great showed up in my house with an eighteen year old
bottle of Jamison, and I was hammered. I drank half that bottle that
night standing around the kitchen. I I got calls for you too. Greig
gave me a bottle for you. Hey, hey, cur we got to
talk to her. Tell Tommy you got I got a story for him.
Okay, yeah, how is Alfred? I have known? I know nothing
have they we're transitioning. It is very hard for non state schools, and
I'm not making an excuses. It's very hard for non state schools save Ithaca
in Division three to compete this. It's just so hard. And the reason
is that, you know, like for Courtland brockpor is that you have you
and I are paying for their facilities and subsidizing the cost and so they can
bring in great athletes. And then Alfred is subsidy for the cost is donations.
It's what do I give? What do my alumni give? And and
our facilities aren't quite as elaborate, we don't have quite the capacity. Is
that because we don't have the same you know, donations. We don't have
a tax base of the entire state of New York and including Long Island.
And it's tough, but you know, we will persevere. At Alfred,
we're the southern tier. We look at it differently and that's what's made me
who I am. But when he's Alfred fisher Man, it's the two.
Like schools, it's a matter of you know, Coach Bosburg, who I've
known for years and years, he's been at Fisher for twenty plus years.
He's a great person. He's just a great leader. Thirty plus years.
Yeah, he was there when I was there. His daughter was our account
manager for several years. Really yeah, and I used to give her ship
every day she left in the office. That's nice, and uh, you
know it's it's but this. I'm scheduled to be in Penn State for the
Penn State Indiana game. Okay, Luke has his sectional game this weekend.
I believe it's against Calvin's Aquinas team. So depending on when the game you
lost to McQuaid Well, mc stacked right down to the wire though, which
Quinta sucks this year. The Grady stack they're saving, they're saving on their
big ones. Stacked this year. The Equate is stacked. Yeah. The
Bates brothers out there in mcquadda, Bates, you know, a couple of
infragrats down there. What what does Fisher look like? Let's put this,
this is probably Fisher's one of their better teams over the last ten years.
It's just it's like it's like getting over the hump, like yes, like
okay, we looked like the Bills today. All the stupid mistakes. The
Bills did well. Okay, when you're dealing with twenty one twenty two year
old kids, that's like you're not get Like Lou Holtz famously said this,
you never get the same twenty two year old every single week, right,
And that's the Fisher's probably and they went into a buzz saw. Cortland's a
buzzsaw, and they actually gave him a good game in the first half.
It was just some mentorings in one hundred and fifty freshman a year to play
footba wow, yeah yeah, and then they would have looked down the thirty.
Craig Fitzpatricks, the head coach, is a former Fisher quarterback. He's
a hell of the head coach. He turned around Morrisville, he left.
They now went into the tank. He goes to Cortland. That program is
amazing too. Now. I mean they beat Brockport the only game they lost.
Su I was just gonna say, what is yeah, what's his deal?
S U? I feel like college football with the nil deals, it's
really tipped the scales to those warm weather schools. Turned to what major League
Baseball was in the nineties, which was the halves and the have not separate.
I means, look, I don't know how Syracuse for years basketball and
now Beeheim's gone, what's gonna happen there? But football, I don't know
they'll ever be a top tier They never were to begin with. We had
a couple of years with well, yeah, like the eighties had McNabb and
you have Harrison and now where Harrison's kid go? Oh my god. And
by the way, that kid is probably the top rated, top talented players
rate in the country gets open. Just whatever team he goes to, he's
gonna be a player maker. He's a he's a difference maker. Yeah,
all right, Well shall we uh to make it better the Bills that uh?
Or sorry, the Cardinals and the Saxons playing on Saturday? Or should
we just leave that one alone? That's a Greg. How many points you
give? How many points you giving? I will give you three because it's
a it's at Fisher, right, Well you got more than three because college
I think it's four four. I think college, So then so do we
give we give Greg, But I think the teams are pretty even, so
I might be like two and a half, two and a half, two
and a half. I'll get I'll tell you I'll give you four points.
We'll get we'll go half alf for four points? Ten, give me ten.
Alfred just lost this past week. I look like draft kings. How
about eight? All right? All right? Eight points? Eight points?
Well, you gotta make it a half. You gotta make it. Make
it seven and a half because like the you know the because it ends up
in an eight point game, it's a wash, you know. So he's
gotta be stregs attorney. He wants eight and a half, It's gonna be
eight and a half. I'm gonna I got both you guys at eight and
a half. Okay, let's go assassins man. All right, eight and
a half, Well, we'll get the bottle. Dann Are you announcing the
game? Oh yeah, yeah, alright. So when we when we win
out, what is the are you gonna say? I owe Greg Conners universital
scorer, Alfred University, ten say Jeff Fisher University. Have to pause before
I see university. I have to remind myself of the university. Seven.
I'm great the Greg Connors. I owe him a bottle of tequila. We'll
go Goose, gotta be Greg Goose would like to donate? And what do
you guys, What do you guys get? What do you get if if
Fisher winds, which won't happen, but yeah Fisher wins, you know what
I'll take? What do you want? A case of Guinness? All right?
Case a Guinness? You can get a case againnis a BJ's. It's
the only place I can buy. Can I get it? On Greg's side?
On the off side, take a bottle of Cheves? Yeah, okay,
what was no? Just a little one, just a little one,
A little one, not a big one, little one, Greg, Greg
will show up with an entire cast. You know, I'm gonna drink both
of them. Because what do you want? If you if if Alfred wins,
what do you want? Don't think too hard. He's an inticate guy.
Why are you asking him because he wanted to jump fun something? You're
just thinking about adopting an Alfred for we already kicked Alfred's as it was embarrassing.
Well well well uh and by the way, wait before you wrap it,
Yes, sir, your absence was noticed at the Guinness Tour because with
you there it would have been that much better. And the Jamison Tour anyway,
that goes to Dublin through the Guinness Jamison Tour combined one of the best
times I had in Europe. The Jamison Tour was fantastic. Guinness Tour was
absolute unbelievable. I just wish you guys were there. Bill would have made
the first one, but not the second one. I would have been stuck.
Good times the Bill Boilermaker all right, for Great Connors, who's very
angry. All right, For Dann Barrillo was frustrated as a Phils fan.
But for some reason, it feels like I can't control it. I know
I get to control it. For Kevin who hasn't really gloated, but will
won Wimbledon today. Will I'm Bill Moran, will see you tomorrow. Go
Bill. See they were knocking forward kind of back with Tennessee