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So no matter who you are, where you are, when you are,
welcome now. We often have had to discuss the pandemic. We definitely have
had to cover this over and over again. What was happening as it was
happening? Controversies or as they say on the other side of the pond,
the controversies, right, And we've had to go over this, and we've
gotten ourselves in trouble. We no longer have a presence on YouTube. You
know, all that good stuff, not not for just the crazy, weird
things that were made up, but also medical disinformation. Right. They said
that we were by questioning anything, by saying maybe you shouldn't trust the big
pharmaceutical companies when it comes to the vaccination. It was medical disinformation, although
it was publicly known stuff that I talked about the very same people who you
know, brought to you by the very same people who brought you, you
know, those old commercials. Well, brought to you by the very same
people who brought you the opioid epidemic. Here's your vaccine, all right,
Johnson and Johnson, they are instrumental, and they presented one of the three
back big vaccines. But before we even got to vaccine, what was going
on, the shutdowns, all that stuff we talked about it. I am
so happy when I discover a brand new person to me, brand new,
probably not brand new at all, but we're gonna get into that. Mike
Wallack is a filmmaker, and you know, we'll start with he's a filmmaker
and let him fill in the gaps there and tell you what it was he
was doing before he decided to delve into Now. I'm just gonna go with
the title here and tell you about it, and also there'll be a link
in with the show notes, and maybe i'll drop it in the live chat
room at ochelly dot com. I haven't checked there yet to see if anybody's
even talking or whatever, but you can always roll the chat room back if
you go to a paradigm shift dot us screen right or you screen yeah,
you screen dot io. If you go there, you will see something called
the viral Delusion, the tragic pseudoscience of stars dash CO two c B two,
and the madness of modern virology. Are we getting a hint here?
Are we getting hint on what's going on? Or do we know what we're
talking about? Let's get into it. Enough out of me, Mike Wallack,
and hopefully I'm pronouncing your name correctly because I haven't even spoke to you
until today, but I've taken a look at just pieces of your work.
Really happy to see yet another piece of work out there that is serious,
that is an examination of I don't know what the hell is really going on
anyway, enough out of me, tell us a little bit about what it
is that caused you to make this film, and I am gonna mention it
a few more times and bring people over to it. You can purchase it,
by the way, for I think it's eleven ninety nine is the cost
on the one link. We'll get into that more too. I'll ask Mike
how we can get hold of the film, and I'll also give you some
links to the trailers all that in the show notes. But anyway, Mike,
how did you get even decide that you were gonna turn something you were
already doing? Or maybe I should take it further back. I mean,
let's talk about what you were doing where the pandemic happened. Yeah, let's
go there. Yeah, Chuck, thanks for having me on your show.
It's it's a pleasure to be able to talk to you. Um. So,
yeah, I was. I was a filmmaker already. I was a
screenwriter and I had a rant a bunch of screenplays for Hollywood and one of
them had actually, you know, gotten made, and it was it was
actually about a a sort of an epidemic, kind of close mixed situation.
But that was like ten years ago. Um, it was just a weird
echo of of reality. But there's there's there's so many ways to talking about
it. Um, I'm gonna go way back, like fifteen years ago to
explain how I ended up in a place where I would make the viral delusion.
Um. But I'll tell you just a quick bit about the documentary itself.
So, UM, we look at your your viewers are probably aware of
all sorts of levels of fraud that have happened during the last you know,
three years. Um. So there's there's you can pick almost anything about you
know what the mainstream narrative has been telling us over the last three years,
and you can you scratch the surface to discover that it's that it's a fraud.
Um. So you know, does this so called injection, you know,
is it good for you? Well, scratch the surface and you find
out that in the in the trials, you know, the the control group
and then you had the the you know, the injected group that you know,
significantly more people died in the injected group than in the control group.
Well that doesn't sound like a successful trial to me. But they were able
to, you know, they were able to basically put white out over the
names of the people that died in in the trial group versus the control group
or you look at the mask uh data, and the mask data has been
has always overwhelmingly been that mask usage doesn't do anything except make you sick.
I mean, it's it's it's obvious, and that's what all the studies have
shown consistently over and over and over and over and over again. But all
that data was ignored, and it was claimed that everybody should be wearing masks.
So I mean, you know, you scratch the surface on any of
this stuff. I mean, you know the PCR testing um, and what
a joke the PCR testing was. But in the film series, and I
say film series because when I set out to make this documentary and I'll tell
you why and we'll get into it. I originally said out to make a
two hour documentary and I ended up with so much extraordinary material, um that
we turned it into a seven and a half hour series, five episode,
seven and a half hour series because it was there's just too much and I
had to stop. I had I had some of the most amazing material,
you know, just sitting on a hard drive in my in my computer because
at some point I had to stop editing the thing and just get it out
there. But I could, I could tell all the stories of the extraordinary
scientists, doctors, philosophers, um that professors that I spoke to who were
dying to get their stories out about aspects of this fraud that I couldn't even
squeeze in. I mean that alone. You know, I could do that
numerous more episodes. But anyway, well, right, and look I've covered
on this show, like say, the story of doctor Zelenko. You might
know that one. Uh, yeah, go ahead. But but so what
I did was I focused in this uh. In the first episode, UH,
we focused on the doctors and scientists who carefully scrutinized the foundation of the
entire so called pandemic. And that is the academic so called academic papers that
came out of Wuhan UH and then the subsequent papers that came out of Australia,
Seattle and Korea. UM that in which it was declared that a new
virus had been found at all. And UM, these extraordinary, extraordinarily thoughtful,
rational, careful thinkers take us through them the smoking mirrors, that that
is, those initial papers and and UM some of them were absolutely shocked when
they actually read these papers. Because ninety nine point nine percent of doctors do
not read the actual papers out of barology, and the very few that actually
read the papers do not carefully read the methodology sections, which is where the
fraud is really hidden. And it's just absolutely mind blowing when you can take
a part the very foundation of the entire last three years. And so we
spend about two about two hours in the first episode very carefully telling these doctors
and scientists stories. And we're talking about some really phenomenal people. I mean
Andrew Hoffmann, who you know, earned his undergraduate degree and molecular biology at
MIT and then went on to get his medical degree. Tom Collen, who's
a doctor who is widely published on many fields. Stefan Lanca who's a former
virologist, Kevin Corbett who is a nurse, a nurse PhD in London,
class Coneline who is a doctor in Germany, Stefan Scolio who is a biochemist
in Italy and was nominated for the Nobel Prize by the US Assistant Surgeon General,
and many many more. I mean, we're talking about really phenomenally experienced,
absolutely brilliant thinkers who have been completely complete, letely, entirely silenced and
silenced not just by YouTube and not just by the mainstream media, but they've
even been silenced by many alternative voices, alternative channels. Well that's that's the
question I wanted to go to because I didn't see the immediate use of let's
call them the usual suspects. Who are good people, some of them who
have been on this show have been on shows that I produced, because I
produce other podcasts. You know, Peter McCullough, people like that, who
have been out there, who have been out front. But I think what
has missed in a lot of cases here is that there's a wide array of
individuals all across the medical field that did say something was wrong. Now,
your reaction, I want to get into when you really started to react,
because was it during the time that the mainstream media was really pushing the panic
that, look, we have this terrible thing. We don't know what we're
gonna do. This is horror thing. People are gonna die, We're gonna
have to do something. The masking came in and then that happened in a
variety of ways depending on where you were, and we tried to cover what
was happening in Australia versus what was happening here that got me in trouble on
various channels, you know, stuff like that. I mean, I got
in trouble all over the place for first of all, even hinting that something
might have come out of a lab. Now that's accepted. You know,
I got in trouble for all these things. But forget about my troubles.
People in the medical industry were reacting, and yet we were shown through the
you know, the talking heads like Sanjay Gupta and people like that, right
the universally. Unless you're a crazy conspiracy theorist, you need to understand that
this is the most deadly thing happening of our time. I mean, did
you start to react when that was happening? Did you think something is wrong?
And I need to look into this? Where did you begin to come
into this? So um again? Let me let me I'll tell you a
quick story as quickly as I cannot sell you, the story about how I
began even ever thinking about medical politics and medical history. And that's uh from
more than fifteen years ago. Now. My wife and I were living in
in Park Slope and Brooklyn. You're out of New York, right, Well,
no, actually I grew up in New York New Jersey. I'm in
making Georgia. Now, I know you can tell from my accent, but
that's great Georgia. Um. But uh, well, we were living in
New York and Brooklyn at the time, and and my wife began to have
this really debilitating condition where her knees would swell up and one knee would swell
up almost the size of look a volleyball, and then it would go away
after a couple of days. And then a few days later her other knee
would swell up and I was causing her enormous pain, and she, uh,
it wouldn't go away, you know. So she went to rheumatologists in
New York City, and she went to the best people she could find,
and you know, Columbia and Cornell and all that, and uh they all
said the same thing, which is that there's nothing they could they could do,
that she had early on set arthritis, and that she was never gonna
be able to really walk again. And uh they said that they could put
her on a steroid treatment that would reduce the pain, but it would highly
increase her chances dying in her fifties and h and they and they said,
you know, uh, we're sorry. But you just you gonna have to
get a good cane. And you know, I remember going into a drug
store and buying a cane with my wife on sixt in Brooklyn. And she's
thirty years old and she's dropped at gorgeous and she couldn't walk and uh and
it was just like, you know, one of those life changing events.
And uh. And then um, I happened to hear this doctor on the
radio and uh he it was like an alternative radio station, like what was,
you know, free thinking radio stations and and he said, uh,
he sounded so brilliant. Um. And he had been the chief pathologist at
a hospital in New York and um he had quit because he was so frustrated
with the standard medical practice at the hospital. What's what what I later learned
is called the standard of care, that prescribed standard of care. And and
uh, I said to my wife, one, don't we just go see
this guy and see if he's got anything to say. It sounds so smart,
you know. So she went to see him and he asked her if
she was an athlete, and she said no, and he said, well,
what does your bathroom look like? She said, that's the weirdest question,
but I hate my bathroom. He said, yeah, has the paint
peeling on the walls of your bathroom? She said, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah it is. I said, okay, I'm gonna run some
tests, but you most likely have a mold allergy, and you just need
to get out of your bathroom, get out of that apartment, and you'll
be fine, okay. And so we got out of that apartment about two
weeks later, and she healed right up and she's never had a problem again.
It's been fifteen years, more than fifteen years now. So I went
back for a second visit with that doctor, and I remember he was such
a funny guy. He held my hand and he held my wife's hand,
and he said, remember all the children that died in the in the Iraq
War, and that died in the sanctions of the Iraq War. That pales
in comparison to the lipatour scam alone. He said, never trust a word
that you read in the New Enron Journal of Medicine. It's all lives.
And he was referring to the New England Journal of Medicine, which is of
course considered the most prestigious journal medicine in the country. Right this meant such
a successful doctor that even though he's a Pakistani Muslim Man doctor Majid Ali,
he was the rabbi of the of the chief, he was the doctor of
the chief Rabbi in New York City. That's that the chief Rabbi New York
City was not going to a Jewish doctor. Who's going to a Pakistani Muslim
doctor. That's how good this guy is. And he's the guy who healed
my wife, and he and this is what he's telling us, And I'm
going this is this is mind blind, like this is this is unbelievable.
I mean, my wife and walk again. She's not going to take this
medicine is potentially going to kill her in her fifties. And so that that
lost us on the beginning of this journey. And when my wife became pregnant,
I was suddenly willing to question assumptions as was she that I never would
have questioned a million years before. And one of those assumptions was that it's
good to vaccine. It's a good thing. So instead of just taking that
assumption at its you know, societal value, we began to do our research.
And the first book that my wife ordered to read was by Mary Holland,
who was a law professor at NYU, and she had written about the
uncovered legal background to vaccinations and their and their medical consequences. And what we
discovered was that there was this gigantic story about the dangers of vaccines that have
been hidden, completely uncovered by the press and U and that have been proven
in court, I mean just over and over and over proven in court.
And it was becoming so dangerous, of course for the pharmaceutical companies that they
lobbied Congress so that a new court system would be created just for them.
So there's actually three court systems in the United States. There's the regular court
system for all of us. There's the military court system if you're in the
military, and then there's the court system if you've been injured by vaccines.
Uh and and if you win in that court system, the pharmaceutical companies don't
have to pay. The American taxpayer pays you out right now, you don't
know this, but believe it or not, I'm one of the few places
that has actually covered this and talked about this and gotten at it where it's
like, look, you know, they always hit you with the your conspiracy
theorist. You must have seen something on Facebook that convinced you that vaccines are
not good even though they're proven and this and that, and I go,
you know, look, I know about the special court system. I know
about the judgments that you're not allowed to even if you do get a settlement
from them, you're not allowed to disclose it. All of these kind of
special protections that have been granted. Nobody seems to get to want to get
their minds around this, that this is a completely different thing. And that's
the scary part about the vaccination end of this, right absolutely is that absolutely
well, I'll tell you what. The thing that really blew my mind and
came back up later when I was one of the things that one of the
reasons why I really wanted to make this documentary serious. The thing that blew
my mind was not that vaccines were dangerous. Somehow subconsciously, I kind of
had that sense anyway, anyway, far more dangerous than I realized, far
more. I mean, most people don't realize how extraordinarily toxic these products are.
But I mean just it's just, I mean, we could talk about
that for a long time in and of itself. But the thing that the
thing that really blew my mind was the efficacy, because I had always grown
up believing that vaccines were the reason that we don't have pollio today, that
vaccines are the reason that we don't have smallpox today, that vaccines are the
reason we don't have a whole litany of diseases today that used to plague mankind
of you know, people embarrassed different places. That that was the story that
I always believed. And so you know, I was prone to the arguments
of, oh, well, maybe it's a little bit dangerous, but you
know, we should all do it because we're doing it for each other,
and all this language that was resurrected, of course during COVID. But um,
what what really shocked me was when I began reading medical history around these
questions around the question of what really happened with polio? What what what really
actually caused polio? And what why did polio go in? Why did smallpox
go away? And when you read the medical history, it's very clear that
vaccines had nothing to do with it. They had nothing to do with it,
right, but they they have been marketed as the you know, the
cure, all that this this is you know, this is why we we
would the healthy lifestyles that we do today. And of course, you know,
people aren't so healthy today, but that's a whole other story. Oh
so yeah, well, look, wasn't it an amazing thing though to discover
that because he always had this idea as as I did growing up. I
mean that, look, they test all this stuff, right, so therefore
there was a whole bunch of you know, testing that goes into it.
It must have been found to be the the you know, the thing that
works, because otherwise it wouldn't be out there. That's the way it is,
right. And then when you go into it on stuff like this,
you find that the only thing that's ever really been tested for efficacy when it
comes to vaccinations is the rabies shot. Okay, and and that's what you
know, even rabies, even rabies is not even rabies is based on you
know, I was in a I mean, the last thing I want to
talk about rabies because it's so far afield, but let me just say I
you know, I was talking to to a real kind of mainstream believer and
he was like, what about rabies, you know, because yeah, what's
going on there? And I had rabies as a relatively unstudied subject among critical
medical historians. Okay, I mean there's there's some topics that have been covered
where critical historians have gone back and looked at them. Rabies is less.
So so I had to do some of my own personal research on that,
and I started reading some of them foundational papers and some reading some of the
charts that were most prominently displayed by the CDC and stuff. And I started
writing the professors this one chart that's it's really the chart that the CDC puts
out about rabies numbers going down with the vaccine. Said where'd you get these
numbers from? And the professor was very sort of embarrassed, and he said,
you know, honestly, I don't have the numbers for you. I
said, I can you send me the database that these numbers are based on,
because I'd like to see what what the methodology was behind this chart,
and you know, I wanted the methodology matters tremendously, And he sort of
sheepishly told me that he didn't have any of the actual data that of the
chart from his paper, but that he thought that the CDC would have it.
And um, so I wrote to the CDC and then they said that
they don't have it and um and that they essentially, um, nobody knows
where the data from this key chart that's that's put out actually lies and there
you can't check the data on this chart. So that was that was that's
the major chart, let's put out. And then the second thing is I
started reading these old rabies papers and what really blew me away was that what's
the like, what's the one thing that you know about like the danger of
rabies? Right, Like, what what's the central thing? The central thing
is, like I mean, on a very basic level, is you get
bit by a dog with rabies and then you could get rabies and die.
Right, that's the story, right, if you don't go get the shots
to take care of it. This is the big thing. Whether it's a
dog, raccoon, or whatever. Right, they have defined the animal determined
if it actually has the rabies. I mean, this is always the thing.
And uh yeah, yeah, yes, right. Well, if you
actually read the medical records on alleged human cases of rabies right in the last
forty this well this was from from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety five, was
one paper and they said of the it was I might not get these numbers
exactly right, but it's basically right. Of the twenty six cases of human
rabies that were reported in the United States, twenty four of them, the
human being was not bit by any animal at all. Right, Yeah,
they didn't get it from a bite. No, Right. And and then
it was that was followed by another paper which went from the you know,
nineteen ninety eight to twenty twelve or something, and it was the exact same
thing of the cases. They simply could not find a bite. But they
were so already the people who wrote this paper in this whole industry behind this
is so buried in in only thinking one way about why we might get sick,
and what sickness is and how it's diagnosed and all these things that they
came up with this Cockamaiti theory. They were actually wrote this in the paper
that maybe a secret, unknown side effect of rabies is that you forget the
bite. See this is the explanations after the fact. I'm sorry to lamp,
but this is what we're facing. And let's let's get back into the
topic at hand. Okay, Because as I said, it was interesting to
watch how there was the great panic. Right here comes this thing, which
yes, indeed, I know people were getting sick. I got sick in
twenty twenty very and I thought, well, I must have this thing that
they're talking about, this brand new thing. Maybe I did, Maybe I
didn't. I never went and got tested. Right, there's a whole thing
about the PCR testing and everything else, which you're covering the movie. So
we'll leave that to the listener right to go and discover that in the movie
about the testing. Let's put that aside again and go back into You saw
what was happening. You saw what was being introduced, and then here comes
the hero the vaccine, right, operation warp speed, all of this.
You have to look at the whole history. And again it was amazing to
me how they were stating, Look, you need to go get this shot,
because this is the only thing that's going to save you after we've given
you the panic. This is the thing that's going to stop the spread.
This is the thing that's going to prevent others from getting ill, so on
and so forth. This is what they told you in the media. Now,
the funny part is in their own papers, even in the papers that
were developed by Visor and the other companies that were involved in these efforts to
create the vaccine. They didn't even say that their product would do that.
They didn't say that their product would stop to spread in their own paperwork.
Okay. Now, you know nobody questioned it at the time though, because,
like I said, the talking heads, it was just all about go
get your vaccine. Everything on TV from Elmo to Don Lemon was telling you,
right, you have to go get this. You have to go get
it, not just to save yourself, but to save everybody around you.
Okay, And meanwhile, where is the proof that this is what was happening?
Where is the you know, you talked about the treatment. And I
love that story, by the way, about your wife, because again a
piece of intelligence was revealed there where a doctor said, you know, there
could be an environmental problem here. That's the room, folks, the environmental
problem. You know, doctors never talk about the dietary problem because what do
the doctors turn to? The literature that they're given, right, they're marching
orders, the stuff that comes from the AMA, the stuff that comes from
the medical journals. They go to that for treatment, for the answer to
everything, and they never bother to examine things again, like diet environment,
okay, or to ever bother to see that no two individuals are truly alike.
I mean, there is no such thing as a one size fits all
solution in medicine. Actually, they never look at that. They never,
I mean except this one guy was smart enough to say, hey, look
I see a problem here. Oh well, let's just give you the drug.
That's the normal protocols, that's the normal treatments, that's the normal way
that they go about things. Here's the drug, the answer to the symptom,
and never dealing with what the problem is. And I'll tell you metaphorically,
this is what we saw on a massive scale. But but have no
fear except this as the solution. Even though the people that are developed in
it didn't say that it was going to do all the things that we're telling
you it's going to do. Very confusing, I mean, what was the
big alarm bell? I mean, I get you're starting the question. You
see that the medical industry in and of itself is a contradiction constantly. They're
supposed to do no harm. But are they attempting to do any good?
Is the major question? Right? But they're doing tremendous I mean, I
mean even you know, according to the most standard sources, you know,
hyprogenesis, which is death by doctor is a third leading cause of death in
the country. Yeah, but that's that's you know, that's a very standardized
number. I mean, I think if you if you thought about it more
holistically, it would go you know, much much much higher than that,
because there's so many cases where the person dies from the from the treatment,
but it's it's claimed that they died from the disease, which is of course
the situation that happened with covid um It was death by treatment, not death
by disease. And it's just it's I don't even know where to begin.
Let me, let me try to give people some context for it, and
then we'll dig in, because I'm really hoping that that that more and more
people can understand the perspective that the scientists and the doctors and the and the
medical historians and the journalists that I was able to speak to um all uh
we're saying in symphony, I mean absolutely in symphony. And because it's such
an an underreported story, man, it's it's the underreported story of the last
three years. It's not the last fifty years of course, um, and
that is that the entire field of virology is pseudoscience, the entire field,
and the claim that there ever was a Star's cove two virus is complete nonsense.
It's based purely on pseudoscience. And and essentially it was just lasted out
to the rest of the medical community who did not, you know, basically
was not in a position to verify one way or another whether these claims were
true. And when you actually uh dissect them and dig in, you realize
that the it's it's total bunk. But just just to put the whole thing
in some context, Um, there's there's a I was thinking about Georgia,
where you said you're from. There's a great writer down there in Georgia.
Uh, and he wrote a book called The Moth and the Iron Lung You
ever have you ever heard of that? I have heard of it. Yeah,
yeah, So he talks about the story of polio, and pollio is
a good one I think for people to understand, because you know, it
was it was told to everybody, uh, you know for decades before the
fifties, and then of course ever since the polio was caused by virus,
and that it was an infectious virus and h and you know, if you
weren't careful and we didn't you know, fund research for the vaccine and then
have everybody got the vaccine that uh, you know, your child might become
paralyzed, your child could die. And that the reason we don't have polio
today is because of all this research for the vaccine in the fifties and the
YadA YadA YadA. Well as um they laid out in the In the Moth
and the Art Moth from the Art Lung and many many other books, including
the extraordinary book by Jim West Polio Toxicology Verse Virology. Um. Why did
we see the rise of childhood paralysis at the beginning of the twentieth century.
Uh, Well, what we saw was the rise of the new industrial chemical
organophosphates, various versions of organo phosphates. And as these chemicals began to be
used in certain locations and with more frequency, that's where we saw the childhood
paralysis. Um. So you know, you can go back and you can
look at you know, small towns in Massachusetts where these organophosphates are used by
tanneries in the small town Uh. And the they dumped these new industrial chemicals
in the in the river, and uh, it's in those you know,
in that town where you see childhood paralysis. But even though these people have
lots of exchange with people, uh, you know, three miles inland,
ten miles inland and other towns, Nobody in these other towns is becoming sick.
Nobody's becoming paralyzed. It's only the little towns along this river where this
industrial chemical is uh is dumped. Then we see a new version of this
chemical becomes sprayed in the northeast in order to defeat a to wipe out a
new moth um that is eating the crops in New England, and this chemical
Paris green is sprayed all over the trees and whatnot. Again, it gets
into the water supply. The cows drink it and it becomes condensed in their
milk. Babies and small children drink the milk and they become paralyzed in exactly
these towns, in these areas. So as we see the rise temporally and
geographically of this chemical, these these new compounds, we see the rise of
childhood paralysis. And we don't see contagion whatsoever. And why why does anybody
think it's a virus? Well, it's just this, it's essentially that's just
what everybody's told, this theory that sickness doesn't come from your environment, that
it doesn't come from the food you eat, or the air you breed,
or the quality of the water you drink. But instead it is uh,
you shouldn't think about any of that, and you should only think about these
um, these fictional entities, um that have been um enculturated into our scientific
literature through pseudoscience. And this is what you should blame for disease. And
you can see it in like the funding at the early twentieth century. Um,
there's tremendous research it had been going on in this country surrounding nutrition because
we had just um, you know, we had spent decades thinking that PELAGRAU
was a contagious disease, and eventually it had been discovered that it was a
nutritional deficiency. People of course know that the story of scurvy, which was
also thought to be a contagious disease. Uh, and uh there's also a
nutritional deficient deficiency. So um. But but pelagra had been a really sort
of mad moment in early American um medical thought in the nineteenth century and so
all this thinking starts going into oh, wow, you know, nutrition is
must be important, and wow, that must be a factor in human health.
Um, not that anybody hadn't thought of it before, but in the
United States, in sort of you know, the esteemed libraries of Harvard and
Yale and whatnot, this was a sort of a new idea. Yeah.
Yeah, So there's there's all sorts of research that goes into nutrition, and
there's all sorts of research that goes into toxicology because with the rise of them
what you might call the American Industrial Revolution or the rise of you know,
factories and and and new chemicals being used in the United States, you know,
there's a lot of interest in that, and and and and people are
are are noting that, you know, these things are quite toxic. There's
extraordinarily dangerous. So there's there grows to be a fair amount of research in
that area as well. And then there was this little tiny field which theorized
that that no, no, no, that's not where disease comes from.
Doesn't come from the food you eat or your environment or toxic things in your
around you. It comes from tiny little things, um, we that we
just can't see. But that must be there. And this becomes the uh,
the area that Rockefeller and Morgan, but chiefly Rockefeller starts financing as he
takes over the American medical industry. And it just happens to be this perfect
boogeyman because if you've been poisoned by DDT, or you've been on a diet
that doesn't have any nutrition, neither one of these is really built for selling
a pill. Um there, you know, get get the toxin out of
your life, eat healthy, and you're gonna be okay. But if if
there's a tiny little bugger that ordinary people can't see, but that the high
priests of science are telling you exists, then it's you know, then you
can sell a vaccine to defeat this thing. And um, what what Edward
Jenner and the doctors of London had discovered, you know, more than one
hundred years prior, was that vaccines totally changed the economic paradigm of working in
the medical profession. It had been, up until Jenner popularized the smallpox so
called vaccine, that a doctor was limited in his market to treating the sick.
Yeah, and suddenly, once jenner smallpox vaccine came long, a doctor
had the opportunity to treat every single person in the society. And if they
could come up with a vaccine for numerous diseases, then that doctor could treat
them numerous times. And so we saw a major paradigm shift in what it
meant to be a doctor. Well, let me ask you a crazy question,
because you know this will not be a crazy question to you, I
think, but to some people it is one of those crazy things I ask
all the time. Um, you know, they're able to photograph a lot
of things on a microscopic level. Um, have you ever taken notice that
there is no photograph of a virus That there are illustrations, but there's no
microscopic photograph of any virus. Well, it's it's it's so extorted. This
is something we cover in depth in the documentary Serious about an hour, about
an hour into the first episode, we really we really go into it.
So yeah, it's it's it's so, it's just you can't you can't scratch
a single topic, uh, without you know, discovering the funky smell of
fraud all over it. So the photographs are the photographs are great. So,
Um, the photographs that are out there, if you look up Um,
you know, photograph polio virus, photographed stars Cove two. Uh,
you know, photographed measles virus and all this. Um, most of what
you'll see is an artistic rendition. The vast majority of what you'll see is
is some sort of CGI. Yes, okay, but but they're based on
what's called an electron micrograph photo. Okay, Um, and let's take them.
We'll take stars Cove two as an example. So it's just I laugh
because it's so absurd. Um, they take they take snot from a patient
that they presume to have stars coved do they start with the assumption that the
person has COVID? Okay, they start with that as a scientific assumption.
Um. Then they take their snot. They put that snot in what's called
Eagles transfer medium, which is the saline solution with a number of antibiotics in
it. They bring that to the lab, they dump that in a cell
culture that's essentially a vial with monkey kidney cells in it. Okay, So
they take the snot, the antibiotics, the saline solution, they dump that
on monkey kidney cells. They add fetal bovine serum. So that's the that's
the blood of a cow fetus, and then they and then they add a
number of antibiotics again to that mixture, and they nix that about Um.
Then they take a tiny little bit of it and they they they shoot metals
at it, little tiny flex of metallic dust and they sort of cover the
whole thing with metallic dust and then they put that in the electron micrograph and
um, they zoom in to look at his size. They're presumed size of
a virus. I think it's twenty to thirty nanimeters I think is what they're
presumed sizes. And then if they see a circle, they say, Aha,
that's the virus. Okay, okay, and what they do. I'm
not trying to I'm not trying to mock what you're saying, but I guess
I'm trying to mock what you're saying because this sounds crazy to me. Go
ahead, I'm sorry, It's totally crazy. There's a whole history to why
it's done that way, and it has nothing to do with the scientific method,
which has everything to do with fraud and finance. But what they don't
tell you is that there's all sorts of reasons why you could see a circle
after doing all of that, all sorts of reasons. And if you read
again, if you read the actual literature in this area, this is well
stated. It's well stated by a numerous scientists in published research that there is
absolutely no proof that if you see the shapes claimed to be stars Cove two
in an electron micrograph, that they are sorry Cope too. You simply there
are there are many other reasons why you might see that shape, and not
only that, And so this was I mean not only that. You could
go on and on just just on this alone. So I mean just like
in UM, you know, some of the major kidney journals over the last
two years, Kidney KNY kidney scientists, UM, you use electron micrographs a
lot. So there's some of the more published writers in this area. They
have lambasted the papers in which it's claimed, um, that they have a
photograph the key papers and the key papers, and which is claimed that they
have a photograph of stars Cope two, and and they call for the retraction
of those papers and the retraction of those statements. And there's never been such
a retraction. Um. It's it's not only well known in the field that
you cannot make such an absurd claim, but it's actually been aggressively fought by
other scientists. But you know, not only is there no attraction in the
journals, there's there's obviously none of that ever makes it out to the general
public. Um. So it's it's total nonsense. It's kind of like this.
It's kind of like, um if I claimed that if I if I
flew a plane over um, you know, Beijing, after I blew it
up fifty times with various bombs, and then I and then I took a
picture from from four hundred miles up above and I saw a circle. It's
as if I claimed that that must be my grand father Paul, because he
had a hat that was circular. I mean, that's just wow. Um,
look it sounds it sounds like a lot of stuff gets revealed. And
I want to, you know, give you a few minutes here to really
go over what's in the film, because I bounced around ask a bunch of
different questions, but we got at some very interesting pieces here. I kind
of wish I had planned to do two or three hours with you, but
there's only so many in the day, and I mean the documentary is seven
hours long at this point. In five parts, right, Yeah, it's
it's seven and a half hours, five parts. And I'm telling you,
man, I got stuff on my hard drive that would blow you away that
never even made it into the cell. I mean, just yeah, no
one people about. Yeah, well, tell people about what's in there,
because you got all kinds of doctors, all kinds of scientists, I mean,
one statement after another after another, just in the trailer alone. Uh,
it's just like you're you're getting bombarded with all these different statements where they're
like, I don't understand how it is that nobody has called this out to
be the fraud that it is in general? Why has there not been a
mass chorus, uh, you know from everybody who actually cares about medicine,
you know, and science, you know, because they keep telling you trust
the science, trust the science. Well I might if it was scientifically done,
um, you know, if there was a scientific method here that was
being adhered to, if there was something other than you know, again that
this uh after the fact sort of. I mean the PCR test in and
of itself is something that I know you go into in the movie and uh,
you know again you're not you're not allowed to question that either even though
that makes no sense, you know when it comes to the testing that they
have and they're still mailing out those tests by the way, you know that
right, the pretesting. I mean, it's just it's just mind boggling that
that that anybody still falls for this nonsense. Just mind boggling. And really
it's a track. We'll give people a couple of highlights that they're gonna get
out of this because I mean, again, if you just watch the trailers,
your head's gonna start spinning. Uh. And again, I'll give you
the link, you know, in the show notes. I put it in
the chat room at Ocelli dot com. You can always roll that back if
you guys like, but it is over at Paradigm Shift uh dot. I'll
tell you an easier, an easier way. It goes to the dove Viral
Delusion dot com. The Viral Delusion. I didn't know that was a dot
com. I'm sorry, the Viral Delusion dot com. So I'll put that
link in the show notes as well. Go there, and uh, I
think part one you can actually watch for free right now. But again,
there are five parts to this um so yeah, go ahead and just give
us an idea what's in there? Because I don't want to keep you all
day. You know, it's I mean it's seven and a half hours.
This is jam pack with stuff. But I'll tell you a story. So
I one of the people that I was able to interview with Celia Farber Um.
If you don't know who she is, she was one of the most
important AIDS journalists from from back in the day. And uh, you know,
AIDS was really um when I started thinking about the topic of this film,
which is that pharology is pseudoscience, that the whole thing is a scam.
AIDS was one of the things that got really hung up on. I
was like, well, you know, because I was I was listening to
these scientists and reading these doctors and scientists who were saying this, and I
was like, well, what about AIDS. So it wasn't just because of
the Anthony Fauci connection. Then it was no, no, no, it
goes It's really deep. It's really deep. Yeah. Yeah, um.
I I did a whole hour and a half episode just on AIDS because if
you under if you can understand what happened in AIDS, then you can understand
what happened in COVID UM, COVID times. So I ended up I ended
up interviewing this this journalist, Celia Farber and and she was a young reporter
UM in the eighties UM when the government came out with its claim that HIV
was the cause of AIDS UM and they had no scientific backing claim whatsoever.
They just came out they declared it. They just simply declared that they had
found a virus called HID that they named HIV and it's the cause of AIDS.
And they later they later sort of forced a number of articles into the
journal Nature that were supposed to support that claim, but they didn't whatsoever.
And we talked about this extensively in the film. But Celia was reporting on
this and for her it was a big deal because she interviewed Peter Dusberg.
Peter Dusberg was considered the greatest, most accomplished virologist in the United States at
the time. He was a professor at UC Berkeley, and he had received
a number of National Academy of Science grants, which are the hardest grants essentially
in all of the scientific world to get because you don't have to even say
what you're going to use. The money for you. You're so esteemed,
you're so prestigious that you just get money from the government because you've proven yourself
your credentials. So he's considered basically the greatest broologists in the country, which
by the way, it is like saying the greatest unicornologist in the country.
I mean, it's it's really it's kind of a joke in in it itself.
But that being said, he had an extraordinary reputation in the field.
So he starts looking at this claim that HIV is the cause of AIDS,
and it's preposterous, and it's preposterous for numerous reasons, and so he publishes
an article in Cancer Monthly, which is a very prestigious cancer research magazine.
Cancer is relevant because the main symptom of AIDS at the time is carposi sarcoma,
which is a cancer. And he publishes and he lays out, I
believe it was eighteen reasons why logically, uh, it could not be that
there was a virus uh that was causing AIDS, and that it and that
it could not be that it was the particular virus that they claimed um.
And so he publishes this this piece and Cancer Monthly and UM. Immediately he
is attacked by Fauci and the NIH and the entire government apparatus. UM.
They pull all his funding and they attempt to completely destroy him. And he's
trying to get the word out that this this is not UM, this is
not good science. What what what the government's putting out? And then people
are going to die because of it? Right and UM. And so eventually,
because he's he's such a pre eminent figure, he's able to get the
attention of a major morning news show. It was like the Good Morning America
or something like that, And so they fly him to New York City and
they're going to do a morning show. Here's the country's most eminent virologist who's
saying that the government story about why people are getting sick is not true.
And about an hour before he is to show up on this major morning news
show, he gets a call and from from the station and they say,
I'm so sorry, mister Dusberg, but something very important has come up and
we cannot film your your interview. And so he stays in his hotel room
and he turns on the TV and he wants to see like what's on the
show, Like what came up that they had to cancel his interview, and
what he discovered was that instead of interviewing him that day, at the very
last minute, the station decided to interview Fauci instead. And so Faucci and
his machine had been following Dusberg and spying on him to such a degree that
they knew exactly who was going to be interviewing him and when, and were
able to pull enough levers to be able to censor those interviews and replace them
with Fauci himself. Wow. So this is the history that we're dealing with.
And you know, if you go back and you look at it,
it's this was a I mean, just an extraordinary number of unbelievably prestigious scientists
and doctors that tried to speak out and tell the country what was happening.
But you know, they were they were they were silenced like that over and
over and over again. We have no you know, history and the public
consciousness for being able to interpret what's going on. It's all been censored and
deleted. Right. Well, if you dig into the age thing and you
get into like what Robert Gallo did and the controversy with HTLV three, and
you know, the misidentification of what was going on and all these things.
There is a whole huge bit of history there regarding AIDS that has been absolutely
buried now you know. And in my chat room, by the way,
a question and I'm not sure about the origin of this question or why it's
being asked, but since it is from a live listener, I want to
throw it at you. Are you aware of are you familiar with doctor Avis
Snead? No? Not? Okay, well I will I will try and
get some information on that for you after the show. I'm not sure exactly
what that's about, because they want to know if you know, what happened
to her. I don't know what she has to do with this, but
probably something relevant. Um. Anyway, back to the question at hand,
though, what is in this what is in this documentary? And again you
can go to uh the Viral Delusion dot com? I guess is the better
better way to get to it? Yep, yep, that's the best way
to get to it? And UM, yeah, just give you an overview.
UM. So the first episode as two and a half hours, is
completely free for anyone comes to the website. UM, and we completely unpack
the claim that a size cope too virus was ever found, and that it
was that it could be tested for, and that there is a specific disease
called COVID which it causes UH and based on the entire the entire science,
so called scientific foundation of the pandemic. And then we go a little bit
into how could this possibly have emanated so deeply into our society when it's just
pseudoscience. We we look at the sociology of it, very specifically withs and
so on, and then of course a little bit on the vaccine, so
we really look at COVID in the first episode. In the second episode,
we go back and we look at the history of virology, which really rose
to fame in the twentieth century. It's it's I mean, the entire field
started at the beginning of the twentieth century and due to an experiment in the
nineteen fifties in which it was claimed that the first virus had been isolated when
it hadn't, we see the rise of virology and um this sort of new
era of vaccines. In the third episode, we go back we look at
some of the like the claims about big diseases in the past, like what
about the plague, what about the smallpox? What about the Spanish flu?
And we we reinterpret what happened given the historical record. And then the fourth
episode we look at aids UM what what what is the actual history of aids
UM when you once you lift the censor off the scientists who had been trying
to speak out at the time, and uh. And then finally in the
last episode, last episode is like for the hardcore junkie UM and uh,
it's okay, what is this whole genetic sequencing of of viruses um that the
scientific world keeps talking about? What does that mean? So you get into
the mr NAH the use of it and all this and where it's going,
because you know, this is continuing on right now. They're talking about releasing
possibly vaccines for heart disease and everything else, which I'm shaking my head.
There's a virus that causes heart disease? Now, I mean when did this
happen? Yeah, it's just it's absolutely bind boggling. I mean, they
have a vision for a whole new era of medicine in which um, they
are going to diagnose you and they are going to create the so called individualized
mRNA based medicine. For you specifically. But it's all junk. It's based
on junk science, and of course it's based on control. It's based on
the idea that their scientific priesthood is going to be the ones to diagnose you,
to say when you're dangerous or not dangerous, when you're going to be
sick or not going to be sick, to say that you are sick,
whether or not you're actually sick, and then to decide what the risk analyzes
will be on you taking medicine or not taking medicine, whether it's morally responsible
for you to have the choice of whether or not to take medicine or not
to take medicine. There's a very dystopian medical future that's out there as a
possibility. But but I think there's also a really strong uh you know,
um uh recognition that this is a this is all uh you know, a
fraudulent house of cards, and uh that you know, we don't we don't,
we don't need this nonsense, um and that what we what we need
is the right to uh be able to make our own choices. And when
we make our own choices, then we become responsible and we become responsible for
ensuring that we live in a clean environment, and that we eat good food,
and that we have access to good nutritious food, and we have access
to clean water, and we've access to clean air, and uh and hopefully
we can you know, turn this thing around a little bit. Well,
you know what that actually leads to the very final thing I want you to
comment on. We're going to close out the show on this note. Uh.
You know, I I wonder as I look at the dscape in the
way things have gone, and the fact that look, I become you know,
one of those anti vax people. It happened incrementally, It happened through
my own experiences. Not going to get into it with you right now because
we are at the end of the show, but maybe we'll do a part
two here anytime, anytime, because it's necessary. Here's the big question in
my mind. Do we stand a chance? Do you think? I mean,
because there's a great portion of the society which has accepted this nonsense that
didn't want to question it. People like me that questioned it not being treated
so well. They talked about, you know, demonetizing us. They talked
about maybe we don't deserve to have jobs. You know, there were Hollywood
talking heads out there saying maybe we need to be pushed out of society even
because we refuse to take the shot. Okay, we refuse to let our
children take the shot. We're bad people. You know. Do we stand
a chance collectively again regaining our sovereignty, regaining our ability to make these kinds
of decisions for ourselves, to uh, you know, to not simply be
pushed into the collective? Uh? Do you think we actually stand a chance
of turning this back? Or is it? Is it too late for the
technocracy and all of that which has emerged here regarding this. Uh, I
hate to call it this, but medical tyranny is what we're facing. I
mean, do you think we stand a chance of turning this around? Is
the ultimate question. I mean I go back and forth. I go back
and forth all the time. But you know, there's every one's in a
while, you get a little, um, you know, snippets of hope
and uh, you know, and sometimes you get a little bit scared here
and there, like what's coming down on the road and what's next and all
that. But um, you know, there was just this last week.
I thought this was kind of uh an interesting reason for hope was that they
launched this new campaign, and this new campaign, I think it's called the
Great catch Up or something like that, where they want to they want to
they want to push back to and and I thought it was so fascinating they
picked Chelsea Clinton as their spokesman for this new campaign. So and you think,
to yourself, this is amazing because you know, whatever some particular person
might think of Chelsea Clinton, there's a good sixty percent of the country that's
going to turn the TV off the minute she pops up and starts talking.
At least sixty percent of the country, right, And so either of these
people who are running this campaign are insanely stupid, and I don't think they
are, or they are facing a situation where their own base is deserting them
so rapidly that they had to pick a die hard liberal Democrat in order to
shore up their own base that they they've basically said, Okay, we've lost
fifty sixty seventy percent of the country. We're just worried about them people that
have always been with us. I think that's a sign that the tables have
turned tremendously in the public consciousness, and um, you know, we'll just
keep well, I'll just keep kind of digging away and and and you know,
talking having conversations like this. You know what else can we do all
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