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And it hits me, Oh my
gosh, this is that triangle. You

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know, there's explanation for everything that
occurred in the Randal Schampars incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all. It was
completely silent. It comes right over our

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heads. He's so classic Fly Sorcier. Really standing in the cleary. He

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turned over to my father and held
his hand, and he looked in his

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That's it for me for now.
So what is going on Alejandro?

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Well, I am trying to determine
whether or not my coworkers who have been

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accused of being reptilian aliens truly are
because if I can prove that, or

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at least convince myself of it,
I might be able to be on television.

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I think you can convince yourself of
it's. Yeah, that's the easy

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part. Yeah, so tell me
how does that work? Well? I

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got this email from Go Go Lucky
today, and they are the people who

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do the show Hangar one and Disclose
Files some other goofy show. I am.

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I think the UFO shows these days
are terrible personally, but yeah,

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they sent this weird email saying,
oh, please, we need someone who

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knows about aliens walking among us or
reptilians walking among us immediately by Friday.

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I got something like this about boy. Yeah, I got something like this

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about like a month ago. Oh
really, yeah, but I didn't say

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reptilians. It's just said that the
aliens are walking among us type of things.

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Yeah, so they need someone by
Friday. So listeners, if you

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feel that, contact and open minds. No, don't contact me, contact

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Go Go Lucky. Just google Go
Go Lucky and email them and say,

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oh, I know all about it. My neighbors are reptilians. And then

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you'll go on TV and maybe you'll
be famous. Hey, speaking of honey

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Boo Boo UFO shows, I tend
to agree with you. But Ben Hanson,

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last time I spoke with him,
he was potentially starting a show that

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sounded like it was going to be
great. Have you heard of any movement

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on that? No, I'm not
sure. I think that was going to

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be by the Smithsonian Channel, and
from what I understand, that was going

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to air in Canada first, and
I'm not sure if it's come to the

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stage yet. But yeah, you
know, who knows it. I've done

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a few TV shows. You have
done TV, but in a different arena,

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I suppose. But you never know. You know, you go do

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the interview, you feel great about
it, You're strutting around all you know,

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and then it airs and it's like, oh, what did they do?

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The editor? I did not say
that, And it's disappointing, depressing

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and unfortunate. That's how I feel
about Hanger One, quite frankly, in

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a number of the other shows.
So yeah, so you never know,

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And these days it gets into the
editing and they just don't care about the

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facts. They don't care about the
true story in their reality programs, and

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it's really unfortunate because I think in
this field that the real stories and the

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real mysteries are so fascinating. I
do too. Yeah, it's the fluff

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they want it, they want if
it's if it's a little boring to them,

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they want to make it more exciting. And that's that's all his ratings,

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really, And the unfortunate part is
they feel that their fiction that they

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make up is more exciting than the
than the genuine mystery, and they're often

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wrong, I think, And they're
just too lazy to look into the facts.

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And it's easier just to write the
script before you even get your so

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called experts to come and say anything. So it's unfortunate and I feel the

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same. You know, happened with
uh oh really in Fox Oh that was

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chasing you up? I actually because
of James Fox. Well, I was

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in it, but I also helped
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in touch with people. For months, I was helping them, and yeah,

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James Fox and I and Ben McGee
and others felt that it would be

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better, and unfortunately they did the
same thing. They just kind of destroyed

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it. Yeah that's what I hear. YEA too bad, Yeah it is.

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So what's happening with the news this
week? Well, here's something I

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never would have imagined. You know. Jason McClellan and I talked about the

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Space News and how we're getting so
close all the time to the discovery of

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life elsewhere. You know, mainstream
science is getting so close, and we

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get closer and closer new evidence all
the time, and this is new evidence

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that none of us could have even
seen coming. That is, you know,

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as exciting as the rest. And
you probably heard of this, But

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the Cassini spacecraft has made some discoveries
around the moon Saturn's moon, Saturn's moon

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Enceladus, And essentially ten years ago
they noticed it had geysers and they thought,

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wow, that's interesting, and they
noted it in their notepad. But

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now the Cassini spacecraft has been able
to analyze what's been coming out of those

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geysers and essentially the makeup of the
water, and well that's coming out of

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there. They believe that it must
be coming out of geysers that are at

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the seafloors of these vast oceans under
the ice on this moon, and that

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it's very warm, like one hundred
and ninety four degrees at these vents,

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these thermal vents, and so the
water is warm enough for life. So

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you've got this water. You know
that there's an area of water there where

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we would be comfortable even, really
so pretty excpt squid and planking squirting out

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of the geyser. There could be
squid, there could be plankton, There

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could be a reptilian, amphibious sort
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And if they get here quick enough, they could be on TV. Yeah

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right, yeah they could so.
Yeah. So this is exciting though,

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just another big step towards the inevitable
discovery. And you know, it's funny.

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My son was telling me about this, like, what was it like

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a week ago or something like that. Yeah, this came out. Yeah

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that's pretty cool. Oh yeah that
this came out. Yeah, yeah,

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he came out a few days ago. So pretty exciting it is, and

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I think we are creeping toward that
fact. I did have a conversation with

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Jason out in Phoenix about that.
Yeah, and he has a little noncommittal

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about saying one hundred percent that he
thought it was going to be this year.

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Oh really, he we've got this
bet. Well, I think he

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said in the next two years.
But I thought his bet that he was

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saying within the next year. Yeah, I think he was. He was

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giving himself a little bit of wiggle
room when I was he amended it.

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Okay, well, yeah, two
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know, you gotta you gotta be
a man and stand by your numbers.

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I think so's I'll have to give
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hope you do. Yeah, all
right, So what else is going on?

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Well, UFO's over Oklahoma City.
So this is exciting. I don't

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know if you've seen this, but
this is creating a buzz out there.

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Yeah. This is essentially the morning
newscam goes to uh, their their video

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cam that's over a casino called Grand
Casino outside of Oklahoma City, and this

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is Oklahoma City News. They look
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highway early in the morning and zip, you see this little light quickly moving

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front of the camera. Well,
the newscast Koco Coco. They they didn't

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shy away from this. They took
that third teen seconds of this thing flying

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across. They didn't reference it or
seemingly notice it during the cast, but

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they put it online and so people
have been looking at it and speculating a

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lot of people have been saying,
you know, maybe it's a bug,

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maybe it's a bird. The next
day actually Koco went to the local college

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and asked a couple of professors.
They believed it could be a small meteor

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like a meteorite, like an even
pe sized meteorite zipping across. But you

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know, marketing Antonio, for instance, today, the photo analyst for Moufon,

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he adamantly disagrees with that. He
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for one thing, you can see
it like you can see it when it's

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all the way down to the ground, but it doesn't streak like a meteor

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would you know the constant streak you
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you can see it go all the
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I don't know. You know,
they will dissolve takes a little bit down

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near the ground if you watch it. I saw this last Sunday, and

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I watched it over and over again, and it looks like when it's heading

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down toward the ground, it doesn't
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it almost looks like it hesitates a
little bit. Something's a little funny about

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the thing. Well, what I
think my theory, personal theory, is

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that it's a very low uh frames
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like that because it saves on memory, and so that's it. So it

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looks kind of jittery, and that
at the end there's a dissolve into the

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next scene, and so it looks
like it's moving, but it's just like

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the dissolved function, you know,
making it look weird. So that's that's

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what I think. I don't know, but regardless that, what was interesting

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is Mark wasn't sure what it was. At first. He thought it might

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be a meteorite, but he in
looking at it, he totally does not

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think that anymore. However, he
looked at it on a really large screen

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and he says he thinks, now
it might be a bird that's illuminated by

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the nearby light. But it's not
obvious what it is, which just shows

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what an interesting video it is.
So people will have to check that out.

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I did draw the similarities between it
and a video that was taken on

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a drone in the Silicon Valley lately. Although we talked about last week,

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Uh huh, we talked about that
last week. That one is more I

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think that one looks more likely to
be a bug, but it's also a

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wide object zipping by. But yeah, pretty interesting video. It is.

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It is and last but not least, Last, but not least, this

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is the big news out there,
which is Jimmy Kimmel talking to Obama about

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UFO. So this is causing a
lot of controversy, of course, as

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we of course it would. But
Jimmy Kimmel, the day before this happened,

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I had read an LA Times piece
where he said, I think I'm

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going to ask Obama about UFOs,
just like I did with Clinton. And

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of course I got excited and was
thinking, why, I hope he does,

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and he did so, just like
he did with Clinton. He said,

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you know, if if I were
to be president, which he says

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he never would become president, the
first thing he would do is run to

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where the files about Area fifty one
and UFOs are because he really wants to

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find out. President Obama said,
well, that's why you're never going to

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be president. It was pretty funny, but yeah, it was really funny,

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I thought. So Jimmy Kimble kept
talking about this. Obama essentially said

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that you know, I can't tell
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They keep us strict control over us. And Jimmy Kimble said, well,

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you know, Clinton said he looked
into it and he didn't find out anything,

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and Obama said, well, that's
what we're told to say, so

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and at one point he said,
I can't reveal anything, and they're laughing

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and he's joking the entire time.
I saw it as laughing and joking.

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It seems like the majority of Americans
or people around the world did go that

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way. But of course you do
have a number of people who are like,

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I can't believe you. People think
he's joking. Just he's telling the

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truth. The aliens won't let him
talk, and that's what they're told to

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say. And a lot of our
colleagues, a lot of the people we've

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some of the people we've interviewed,
both of us and some of them that

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are more well known who we may
have interviewed, often are coming out and

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saying, yeah, he's probably telling
the truth, you know, just trying

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to make a joke of it.
So I don't know, that's what happens.

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In my story, I also wrote
about, you know, a similar

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situation that happened back in nineteen eighty
two, when Steven Spielberg went to the

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White House to screen Eat and with
Ronald and Nancy Reagan, and at the

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end, Ronald Reagan stood up and
said, you know, there's not many

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people who know just how real this
is, and everybody started laughing. Spielberg

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said himself, he thinks Reagan was
joking. He's a ufologist, and he

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hopes he was hoping. You know, he wishes he wasn't joking and it

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was real that he was just joking. But of course a lot of our

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fellow researchers in this case believe that
Reagan was not joking as well. So

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that's what happens. Well, many
times, I think like three times during

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his presidency, he did say something
along the lines with if we were being

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attacked by, you know, someone
from another world, we would all join

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together. And actually Bill Clinton said
the same thing on Jimmy Kimmel, you

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know, a very similar thing,
right. Yeah, So anyway, what

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does that make you think? What
do you think? Are you telling me

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you think, which is fine,
I respect other opinions. Do you think

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Obama, Clinton and Reagan are hiding
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I really think that if there was
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that I think it's very possible that
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it's a need to know that type
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Clinton, I said on this topic, I wouldn't be the first president that

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career bureaucrats have lied to. And
it makes sense that if there is a

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project out there, you know,
it would be a need to know.

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And why would you tell the president? You probably wouldn't want to tell any

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politician. Yeah, that's so true. Well, hey, this has been

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fun and I could go on and
on forever about this, but I really

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should. Probably the guests do a
little bit of talking. Yeah, well

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if you want, all right,
whatever, kick me to a curb just

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until next week. All right,
thanks a lot, and we'll be talking

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to you next week. Okay,
talk to you next week. So hang

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in for the music clip. We'll
be right back with our guest, Tom

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Wortman. Tom Wortman, how are
you? How are you great? And

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thanks for joining us for the show. I did mention earlier in the monologue

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that this is pre recorded because of
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the very first listener to this podcast, Scott, you did meet him at

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one of your talks out there and
he suggested to have you on and here

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you are? How about that?
And you mentioned Scott And we kind of

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talked a little earlier about a scription
about Scott. He's a wonderful gentleman on

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here, and I mean he was
very much into the talk with her that

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night, and I appreciate him,
you know, giving you my contact information

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on there. Yeah, we know
Scott by the mega beard he has.

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He is a really without Yeah,
that was an easy identification when he pointed

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that out. So, Tom,
who are you? Well, the listening

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audience, who you are? I
know you have a number of titles,

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but one of the things I did
read about you is you and I kind

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of share the same interest in science. So I like that about you,

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and go ahead and tell the listening
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name is Tom Wergman, and I'm
the state director for muture Ulf Network for

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Ohio. I'm also a member of
the Star team for a Move on Itself

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and I'm also part of the Case
Assistant group, which works with doing international

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cases investigations out there. This is
something that you know, when I got

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into this, it was just I
call them mid life crisis. That's the

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best way I kind of describe it, because you know, we've blessed our

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hind ends for how many years?
Now? Like I'm right now, I'm

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six years old, and I'm thinking
I've worked behind and off for forty some

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years. You raise a family,
you've raised the kids, You've taken them,

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chase the kids down, you help
them out all these years, get

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them off to their start, and
not all of a sudden you hit in

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mid life crisis. And it's kind
of now, I guess you could say

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meantime. And when I went to
that realization myself, you know, this

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is male logical. I want these
three stagentis one way is? I always

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asked a wise I said, you
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and she's like, we can't have
a ploy that it's in practically kids.

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I said, kids are going to
gone. Get rid of the impracticality of

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that. I want to vet,
well, she's gone. And if that's

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in the garage. Now, that's
another thing that happens in life with some

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of this too. Well, that's
right, here's the MAO logic number two.

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You know, MYO logic number two
was I got rid of the motorcycle

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were not long after we got married. There goes to Harley and the guys

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out here would probably listening to children
you got with the Harley, what type

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of videodar you probably should get rid
of her? And said hearly. You

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know, well again like I said, she was gone, So the motorcycle

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was not a garage to keep the
corporate companies. Again, that's just myle

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logic. But then the third thing
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I said, as all these years, like we were talking earlier,

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and we both had similar interest in
youthology and mine started back in the mid

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nineteen sixties. We had to book
at the month club in school, and

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I think a cost of a grand
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So by Frank Edwards, Flying Saucery
serious business. And when I read

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that book, it was my first
book that nature I was booked, and

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I read that book from front to
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book that's pretty much. And I
remember, even as a kid, making

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notes in the margins on my thoughts
about different pockets he presented in the book.

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And one of those in particulars there's
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Yes, And as a kid I
remember looking at photographed Elvin never been saying,

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you know, there'st of ours,
but seeing hers to strangers don't see

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that. And I just made a
note in the margin saying I don't know

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what it is. And here to
this day that photographs still stands up as

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one of the best photographs are on
UFOs. Yeah. So they even have

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a festival out there once a year
exactly, and I've never been there,

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but it's something I'd really love to
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of started from. And then,
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go on and we raise a family. I went on got two degrees.

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I've got a bachelor's in the business
specialized in HR. I've also got a

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master's in education, and I've involved
on an education for this is going on

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thirty three years. And like they
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Is I guess you could say synchronicity. You know, things happen for a

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certain reason. And when I got
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pursuing you know, my earlier in
this back in ethology, I still wonder

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for anybody who does this stuff.
And I just happen to be listening to

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another radio answer that night. It
was discussing the UFOs and I war on

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the internet in the Google search and
I found a group called the Cleve Mythology

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Project. Uh then make a plain
as being the oldest group not just to

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Ahio but the world. Nineteen fifty
two and they had been meeting ever since.

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I wanted a first meeting. And
here's the same Finnicity. It was

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their first meeting is only two miles
where I lived. And it was like

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two days after I found on Internet, I became a member. I started

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taking getting involved more of the group. And that was the same time I

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said, you know, this group
does a lot of general in stuff.

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They're very good at it. You've
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But I want to go farther.
And that's where I found New Found and

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then got certified as a Feeling investigator
and started doing investigations. And from that

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start, roughly almost six years ago, now I've done I think maybe off

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the top, I had six hundred
cases investigations and several hundred there was a

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batche Ha been in Canada and Nighted
Kingdom and even stretching down into Puerto ricoings

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so far and I found it when
I started doing investigations. Number One,

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I love to talk to people because
they're seeing things that can't explain the reality.

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Probably eighty per percent of those can
be explained out there. And as

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I got involved it, I started
becoming more adeptive investigation skills. I'm very

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computer litterc I start explaining my skills
with a computer doing analysis the investigations.

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And over these years I've had some
real gems of investigations that have just jumped

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out, and I spoke people openly. I said, sometimes I turn it

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over a hundred cases before we find
that one gem. I turned with a

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hundred rocks. But when you find
that gem out there, it makes going

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through those hundred cases worth it.
I bet. So can we talk about

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some of those gems. We don't
have to write now. You can keep

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going if you'd like, but I
would love to hear about those gems anytime

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you like. I mean, there
was actually two of them kind of stand

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out, and one of the case, as it stands out, was one

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that we had happened here in Ohio. I received the phone call the home

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one afternoon. It was from Craig
Lang, who was in charge of cases

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for connic Case went to the Star
Team, our immediate response team, and

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he notified me that there was a
instant where two gentlemen down in southern Ohio

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in a state park called Salt Fork, had had experience with missing town.

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The gentlemen who were doing an all
night fishing trip. They went down in

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the evening on a Friday evening and
it was early Saturday morning that they discovered

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that they missed three and a half
hours, a time they couldn't explain.

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And when I got the phone call, I had immediately called the witnesses up

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the top of the goodness, got
background information on the witnesses wnds early forties

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other than nineteen years old, I
mean, very nice and the visual on

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the phone. And what I did
is I talked the senior or too into

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getting both them to go right back
into I guess you could say based like

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the lions them that night. They'd
gotten at the house sometime early morning and

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when I talked to me off to
his roughly right around tenelf on the clock,

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I hopped him from the fire and
met him and I had to drive

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down the Southern Ohio and we got
back down there that evening and we retraced

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all the events that they had,
and it was a really unique case because

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here they were, they were setting
along a lake down there called Sulfur,

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and they had their fishing poles in
the water, and they're just kind of

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setting back, you know, rebating
the books every half hour. They're going

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back and putting women in the fire
every half hour, and even women as

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fire as playing the game with each
other saying, you know, we've got

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so many minutes left before they have
to go back and put them in the

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fire. And it would guess to
south close it could come to exactly one

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half of an hour. So they'd
been doing that not just that night,

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but other nights previously that when he
was down fishing, it was approssingly about

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ten thirty when they saw the first
of lights to the north heaven above a

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tree line. They washed them for
a short time and then they went back

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to fishing, kind of disregarded the
lights of they had seen eleven thirty lights

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come back again. They're helding back
and forth along the same tree line area.

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Very bright in this case, it
was like much brighter and normal star

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almost like maybe like an aircraft was
right on top of him. When I

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did my initial investigation. That same
day there were a couple of aircraft,

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but not in that same exact location. They were destroying about one thirty in

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the morning. They remembered hearing it
like a real shrill voice, and a

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shrill voice not almost female. And
at that point they started getting scooped.

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Here are two gentlemen who had been
fishing at the same location, not just

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once, but they had probably one
thousand hours fishing and more at that same

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location, so he knew that area
inside out. Well, it stooped him

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enough that they almost hopped in their
card up that day. Actually were trucking

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up where they stayed, and one
of the gentlemen was up to the under

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them the nineteen wheel was updating his
foot and the next thing they remembered was

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the forty some year old looked at
his cell phone and said, they do

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We're not gonna believe this was what
there's five nine feet in the morning.

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Wow, So they don't remember anything
from one thirty, so five nineteen in

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the morning, and they said,
first of all, nineteer old will never

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stood by his fishing line for three
and a half hour, three hours and

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forty five minutes without me doing something
else. I mean, he would have

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been doing something else in the whole
time. Also, family members that had

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been doing phone calls back and forth
with the wife, the girlfriend and they're

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out of contact for that same time
frame on it, and they did have

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cell phones reception the area they were
at that night. We went back,

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we retraced our entire steps, and
I'm one when I did the investigation,

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they showed me, said, yeah, we've got a cooler here. I

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popped the cooler open, looking for
you know, potentially alcohol, nothing like

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that water. I checked over it
and they had there's no signs that you

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know, anything else would have affected
that last of time from on there by

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our you know, other methods,
we walked the whole region down there.

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They showed me what it's been at. They retraced all their steps, and

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they works to me scared. That's
where described the nineteen year old was kind

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of like almost like acting like Barney
fIF He was right out on the edge

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of seat and he will sound be
heard in the woods. He was just

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jumping all over the place. And
what I didn't tell him was that night

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when they were walking around at one
time when they reacted. I'm normally very

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easy going. It takes a lot
forget the theme my attention like that,

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but wondering noise as they heard off
in a distance, I sent something myself

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in that direction. And the reason
I say sensed is that I'd have had

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some experiences when doing these investigations where
I felt a presence or felt some maybe

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energy often a distance or energies around
him, and I felt like an energy

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off in one distance, but I
acted like nothing happened. We finished out

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going through the investigation at night.
I even thrept about the clothes that they

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had, which I've got out being
research and analyzed. And what I didn't

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tell them is that following week I
went back down to myself at about four

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in the morning. I went to
first all see if they were down there

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at that time. Of course they
weren't. Secondly, I wanted to take

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them basically reach race stor steps as
close to a time as what I could

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if they were there. And when
I was walking around, I took the

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typical instruments and investigative abuse. I
didn't pick up any magnific anomalies. I

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didn't pick any unusual look at the
fields up or nothing like that. But

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I was walking around the region where
they were at. I started walking around

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as the mare start walking on the
rest of the park, and I hit

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one spot that I'm looking at somebody
instrument in my hand. I think it's

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completely black, completely dark, got
almost no ambient white, just a little

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tiny flash that I had in my
hand, And all of a sudden,

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when I hit one spot, I
sent something. I felt an energy,

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and I said, whatever it was
was here, And I looked down.

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I was standing in an impression of
burnt grass the same size as my shoulders,

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and it was the only spot where
you could see that same type of

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damage to grass. But I just
felt something was there. Since that time,

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I've had contact with both of them. A few weeks after he went

409
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:28.759
the forty some year old was still
extremely nervous, he said, for a

410
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.160
number of nights and never went out
of the house after dark. As a

411
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.920
matter of fact, the nineteen year
old stayed at the home of the forty

412
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.839
some year old. Is like a
family group, and they basically all slept

413
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.519
in the same room. Helped in
the wife of the four friends. Everybody

414
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.599
stayed in the same room that they
were totally scared at night. Here's something

415
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.839
that freaked that individual out so bad, maybe him that night, and he

416
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.519
was a construction worker. He also
was trained in martial arts and he was

417
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.359
instructor. I trained in martial arts
myself, and I mean there was no

418
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:07.240
reason he should have been that's shaken
up. But whatever happened to him left

419
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.720
them in question. That Eden we've
talked after that time. I mean,

420
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:15.079
it still extremely bothers him because he
doesn't fit with the UFO. But he

421
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.039
says, I missed three hours and
forty five minutes, bas so that I

422
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.759
cannot explain, and I know cue
what happened. Neither ones they don't remember

423
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.119
anything that time. For him,
I could certainly see why that's scary.

424
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:35.279
Now this is kind of interesting because
this is now the third story that I've

425
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:42.400
heard when someone was fishing. There
was that famous one down in I want

426
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:49.279
to say, Louisiana, and I
had the Gentleman on the show where the

427
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:54.559
supposed aliens had like cones coming either
their head, just drawing a blank on

428
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:59.720
who that is a really nice guy. And then of course the Alagash incident

429
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:05.680
when they were out fishing in their
canoe. So caution to everyone going fishing,

430
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:14.079
look out exactly, especially especially Lively
State Park all night long. Yeah,

431
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.199
it's funny about parks, you know, you hear a lot of things

432
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.719
about parks, people missing, and
all kinds of weird stuff. Have you

433
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:25.719
been in touch with these people since
and talked about this? We exchange emails

434
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.039
not long ago, because I've had
the clothes up being reviewed being looked at,

435
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.559
and we did find some materials on
the clothes, but we're going to

436
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:40.000
be a closer investigation. And they
didn't really comment about their condition right now,

437
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:46.039
but I can tell that the older
gentleman is still upset. In the

438
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:52.239
correspondence on Eve, those very brief
the nineteen year old, the last I

439
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.960
had contact with him before that was
like a few months ago, and he

440
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:59.119
was pretty much coming back to normal. But again, you think about his

441
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.079
age, he's years old. He's
probably going to be the most likely one

442
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.360
to return back to normal. Somebody
who's a little bit older is going to

443
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:13.199
be more upset potentially by something like
this, And especially he's an individual who

444
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.320
has his wife described it. He's
very much has to be in control of

445
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:21.400
time. If he says he's going
to be at someplace eight o'clock, he

446
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.480
doesn't want to get there. It'll
one Yeah, so now he has somebody

447
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.679
basically taking three hours and forty five
minutes of his life away and that's what

448
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.400
scured the upsetting part, and that's
what he wants an answer for it.

449
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.559
Yeah, that would when it happens
like that. I mean, I just

450
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.559
can't even imagine what that's like.
But you know, to have two people

451
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.159
have it at the exact same time, it really is something that you know

452
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:53.639
can't be explained too easily, that's
for sure, exactly. And I've turned

453
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.840
it this way. I said,
either they are two of the best liars

454
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:59.960
I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, these guys deserved the Academy

455
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:05.679
Award or ends a space. Something
happened and I've talked with Travis Walton and

456
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.239
again Travis Walton's another one to me
who has a very very incredible story,

457
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:15.239
right, And they showed and they
shared similar signs of nervousness. Like when

458
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.519
I talk with Travis would be open
and he'd discuss it, but we'd be

459
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:23.320
just to see that that event just
really shook up his entire life. Yeah,

460
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:28.199
I think he's come more in terms
with it lately in the last couple

461
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:34.480
of years. But the first time
I met Travis. He he just seemed

462
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:39.760
very uncomfortable talking about it, But
I think he's he's kind of he's a

463
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:45.400
little bit more at peace with the
whole thing. Now. That's that's uh.

464
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:47.800
The last time I talked to him, he's sort of mentioned in a

465
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.960
roundabout way that that's how he's feeling. And that's the impression I got too,

466
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.559
because we talked and it was three
years ago now became me for a

467
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:02.239
conference in Ohio, and he said, basically, what he's now come to

468
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:08.559
peace with in his mind is that
when that event happened, initially he thought,

469
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:13.000
you know, somebody's trying to injure
hi or something like that. Now

470
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.199
he thinks that maybe he got close
enough to whatever this object was, but

471
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:22.199
maybe almost like maybe like electrostatic charge, maybe pass and knows what something hitting.

472
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.360
And they actually took him inside to
help him more is first aid,

473
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.639
and they wanted to make sure that
he was okay before they let him back.

474
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.599
Bill. Yeah, and that sounds
like a freely pause duct nation.

475
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.280
Yeah. Yeah, he did mention
that on one of my shows. And

476
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.639
yeah, I think that that would
certainly help you deal with it a lot

477
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.920
better, that's for sure. But
you're right. He's one of the credible

478
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.840
ones out there in my opinion anyway, And when you're face to face with

479
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:55.159
someone, I think you really get
a good feel about that. Oh you

480
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:59.079
don't. And I got to spend
pretty much three days with him when he

481
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:04.079
brought him into the conference, and
like I mentioned, my background was I've

482
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.719
got the GREENHR, so I really
looked at him personality wise, the non

483
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.800
verbal communications is it looked at and
to me, the signs were there that

484
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.639
he was a very credible witness,
right right. So I wonder if if

485
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:22.800
those two guys ever went back fishing
again together. Well, I'm one of

486
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.880
these individuals that it's not beyond me
to hop in the car and again on

487
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.119
a Friday Saturday night, don't say
anything anybody about it, and just drive

488
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.079
down to Southern Highland and see if
they're there. That's the best way.

489
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.920
Wow. Yeah, Hey, earlier
you were mentioning you were up in Canada,

490
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:45.199
and then I believe you said Puerto
Rico or some other place. I

491
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.760
can't remember it was it Costa Rica
or Puerto Rico. Well, I've been

492
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.840
doing long distances. Yeah, I
wish I had the ability that they were

493
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:58.239
able to fly down but I've been
doing all my research by internet online or

494
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:02.800
potentially putting individuals in contact with somebody
in that region once we identify the case.

495
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.559
One of the problems that we have
sometimes is getting enough investigators to fill

496
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:13.920
different regions. And Canada right now
is doing a good job getting the investigators

497
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.920
in and building up a group of
investigators, but it's not always that way

498
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:24.280
in other countries. For some time
I was helping out in Canada, they

499
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:30.320
also had me doing a lot of
cases in England because they had roughly about

500
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:35.719
three investigators for doing the entire country, and they were getting as many cases

501
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.239
on an average that we would be
doing in Ohio here roughly about thirty plus

502
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.199
cases a month. And when you've
got three people, you just get told

503
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:49.440
me overwhelmed, and really you can
believe right out. So I'm one of

504
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.519
these workaholics. I jumped in and
said, sure, I help out with

505
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:58.239
it, and they started giving me
a lot of cases, a number of

506
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:02.719
them you could explain. I came
across individuals who sent in videos of drones,

507
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.079
you know, they didn't believe that
they were drones. I've had situations

508
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:15.960
where it may be of an object
of his mets insects even once you get

509
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.119
an extreme magnification and up to his
insects flying in somebody in from of somebody's

510
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:24.559
camera. But then you get that
aha moment again where I had an individual

511
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:30.760
who reported in this case it was
a historical case. There as a child

512
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:37.320
about seventy eight years old. He
was driving with the family on a little

513
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:42.119
family expurgeon and on the way back, they're heading back towards where they lived.

514
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:46.920
They're going down when these ural country
roads and they had the sun group

515
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.440
focun on. The party looked out
the sun with me sees three objects approaching

516
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:57.719
from the business. When he sees
the three objects approach, the car stalls

517
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.480
out again. This is kind of
like the bad B movie. The car

518
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.800
stalls out, lights go out,
and next thing you know, he looks

519
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.679
over his mom, his dad,
and the sisters and they all basically fall

520
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:14.119
asleep. And next thing he remembers
is dad wakes up. They all wake

521
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.480
up Dad and he starts to cart. They take off. They finish a

522
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.679
trip that they figure out that they're
missing approssman two hours. Now you think,

523
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.239
here's a younger child, and you
know, how credible is he going

524
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:32.800
to be? Well, the story
wasn't rekindled by him. He was talking

525
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:38.400
to his mother about UFOs and she
goes, well, don't you remember when

526
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:44.000
we had art event, and it's
what do you mean? And she started

527
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:49.079
describing it, and he started remembering
the details. But his mother brought it

528
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:55.039
up to him and there was a
very deep story on there. And when

529
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.519
he was talking about it, he
says that later on his dad, who

530
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:04.719
was little bit strange to his father
in the later years, and one time

531
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.199
his dad got mad at him and
his dad said, you're not my son.

532
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:15.880
They took my son gee exactly.
And here this was one of the

533
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:21.679
cases. It was potentially to be
overlooked just because it's sheer volume and just

534
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.400
being able to keep up. But
it was one of those you know stones

535
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.400
you overturn it, and here is
the jam of the case. I put

536
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.960
him in contact with some investigators from
England. Then once I'd done my research,

537
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:39.239
they follow up and then they actually
got Captain Martin Bull and the investigator

538
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.639
over in England to talk to him. He says, you know, this

539
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:47.880
is another guy that helped. He
says again, if this guy's not didn't

540
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:52.960
happen to him again, he's a
fantastic wire. I talked with Gillman on

541
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:58.039
SKIP several times. Again, very
very credible. I watched a body language

542
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.239
and they found out the same even
they did their local investigations. Then all

543
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.400
he was wanting was no fame,
no glory, he says, Just can

544
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.760
you help me to find an answer
to what happened? He says, because

545
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.119
this is what happened to him,
and that's all he was looking for is

546
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.320
just an answer. Wow, that's
pretty amazing. Now, as far as

547
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.400
Moufon goes, I have a few
friends that are you know, work with

548
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:30.800
Mouffon, Mark D'Antonio on images and
film, and a few other people and

549
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.679
there, but Moufon. There can
be some controversy about that now and then

550
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:42.440
no, I've heard, you know, I got a message from an old

551
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.760
time investigator from all the way back
in the sixties, you know, saying

552
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:52.440
that Moufon was infiltrated by the government, by the CIA, all the way

553
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.920
back in the nineteen sixties. And
and you kind of hear about stuff like

554
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:02.280
that. What do you hear while
you're you, you're involved and move on

555
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:09.760
itself. There's always underlying rumors that
potentially different people have given out different information

556
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:15.920
that in this case that I've had
a couple of cases where I've come across

557
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:25.000
that the witness was approached shortly after
the case was filed by individuals from the

558
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.159
outside of the organization, and it
makes you wonder on where you know,

559
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.800
where the suicide of information was and
on why these witnesses were contact on that

560
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.159
appeared to be a very good case. That's short of time after it happened.

561
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.639
But but the thing is is,
I mean, they're violence organization.

562
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.559
And with about of violence organization,
you're putting in the best people you can,

563
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.280
right You're you're going off of the
people you know, trusting, you

564
00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:00.880
know, putting faith in that.
That's what they're here for. I know,

565
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.679
I always look at there's always one
or two bad apples and whatever organization,

566
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.400
And you know, I think there
have been a few people that have

567
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:13.760
kind of used the title for uh, you know, for a little bit

568
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.880
of fame here and there, a
little bit of screen time perhaps, But

569
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:21.719
for the most part, I think
that you know, anyone that's out there

570
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:28.079
volunteering and investigating is is doing a
good thing. And that's it. I

571
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.000
mean, I know a lot of
people are putting in tons of hours volunteering

572
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:36.880
for this project, that project,
whatever they can to help out. And

573
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.880
like you say, you're always going
to have potential somebody who decides to say,

574
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.480
Okay, I'm going to do this
for my own personal interest. And

575
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.679
the thing I can hope that somebody
does that is, you know, they

576
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.639
lead the organization because we need people
who are really trying to gather good information

577
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.519
for the pause of trying to really
figure out, you know, where these

578
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.119
fitnesses are, where they're coming from. And I just try to put an

579
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:07.239
answer for it right now. Are
you supported by moufon though, or like

580
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.920
to say, if you're a field
investigator and they ask you to go out

581
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.639
to southern Ohio, are you supported
by doing that? Or is your gas

582
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:21.039
mileage everything is all out of pocket
or do they actually help with expenses.

583
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:29.000
I'm supported by my pay I get
from my regular job. There's no income

584
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:34.760
coming in to support Distant move On. Even any subscribers we have within the

585
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.440
state of Ohio, which we put
out whether in subscribe to list what we

586
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:42.719
do with that money as that goes
to a newsletter that goes and towards host

587
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:46.000
of a conference each year that doesn't
go into the line of anybody's pockets in

588
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:52.159
the organization. It goes to support
the web pages things like that. When

589
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.679
I go out and I do my
investigations, that money's right out of my

590
00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:01.920
own pocket. And I'm very honest
with people considering investigators because they see TV

591
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.360
shows sometimes and they say, you
know, hey, i'd have to do

592
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.920
this, this is kind of like
CSI maybe, But then they realize that

593
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:12.199
number one, they've got a buy
a manual, the manual froms O their

594
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.000
own pocket. They've got to studying
the manual, have to do research,

595
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.920
we have to get together, we
have to meet, we do menoring processes.

596
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.519
Then they find out that it does
sometimes add up to quite a bit.

597
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.960
I do a number of programs across
sort of a hire trying to educate

598
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:35.440
the public, and anything I get
for that, all I ask is gas

599
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.760
money just to get me from one
end then to another one to keep this

600
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:42.440
type of a thing going. It's
not trying to make me rich, because

601
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.679
I know it wouldn't happen anyway.
But I just want to take and really

602
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:52.599
see you follows your dance and form
the public because sometimes they based their opinion

603
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.760
on UFO reports, on what they
see on the internet. Well, I

604
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.480
saw this YouTube video and that's one
of my pet peeps. Okay, well

605
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:06.679
you could video show it. Well, it shows me this alien. Okay,

606
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:08.920
and Mark Antonio would probably look at
and go, this is a good

607
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:15.039
CGI. And I've done the same
thing where I've got gotten. I put

608
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.400
some photographs in and I look at
the photographs and a couple of actually came

609
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:24.119
in from Canada and it was basically
an app putting an alien in a photograph,

610
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:30.119
and it was extremely easy to detect
it. And when I called the

611
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:35.000
witness up confronting about it, oh, I don't know anything about that.

612
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.159
I know absolutely nothing about phone apps. It must have installed on my phone

613
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:44.599
all by itself. And when the
camera went off, it must have actually

614
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:50.920
gone off along with the camera at
the same time. And it just drives

615
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:54.960
you crazy. And I spent I
don't know how many hours getting the photographs,

616
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.440
researching the photographs, because first time
they said up, I said,

617
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.039
well, I mean the photographs who
uploaded. I want the ones corrected from

618
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:10.320
your camera. I don't want multi
generation copies. Well, one witness wouldn't

619
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:14.760
submit me the original photographs because he
knew what I was going to find.

620
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:16.800
The other one I did. It
was just like shooting fish in a barrel.

621
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:21.559
Was too easy to identify. And
I want to say, you know,

622
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.960
here, I've got two photographs from
really about within seven miles of each

623
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:30.079
other of aliens. One is basically
by a woodpile and the other one is

624
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:36.079
posing in a bedroom. And I'm
looking at these and saying, you know,

625
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.880
they must have the same poses.
These are very closable aliens because I

626
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.280
mean very Photogenye, they take the
same stature. I mean they look the

627
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:52.199
same. And the image it looked
like one especially was drawn from almost like

628
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:57.440
a Halloween costume by a child.
I was sent. I was sent one

629
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.280
of these, by the way,
Oh you were yeah, and it was

630
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.280
by a swimming pool. Yeah,
oh my yeah, it's pretty funny.

631
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.400
And you're right, it is an
app That's what I was sold. Yeah,

632
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.400
but here's the bad thing. In
that same region that this witness was

633
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.440
from. Both these witnesses should say
we're from a week prior. I got

634
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.559
a case. It's seemed a little
bit. Healey about an individual describing the

635
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.400
lights in his bedroom going around the
inside of his bedroom. He also reported

636
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.480
looking at the window and said,
I've seen the great alien looked me in

637
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.320
his window. Now those are the
ones that kind of make it up.

638
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.440
Sure, yeah, right, okay, we'll check it out, We'll do

639
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:37.519
an investigation, but you know,
maybe I'm not going to put you know,

640
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.960
all my hours in this one case. Well, I started doing a

641
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.039
little internet research because I mentioned I
love to do research. And the thing

642
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:51.000
about today is where we benefit some
from my social media. You can go

643
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.559
in the Facebook, you can see
that the person has a face for the

644
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:57.440
side, kind of profile them.
Off of what you see there, you

645
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.280
can go to LinkedIn. Well,
I found the gentlemen by the same name

646
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:07.079
on Lincoln in the same area who
had a very professional background, and if

647
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:12.199
I was in his field at his
level, according to Lincoln, if it

648
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:16.800
was the same person, I wouldn't
want myself identified with seeing aliens at the

649
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:23.880
window. When these other photographs came
out, they started posting stuff in local

650
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:31.239
newspapers, and I found local newspapers
in the region regarding these events. And

651
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:36.400
next thing you know, I tried
to reach out to contact this witness,

652
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.719
which may have had incredible storm on
it, and he basically disappeared into the

653
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:44.360
world work. And I think a
lot of it was because the notoriety from

654
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.840
the other photographs and stuff on me, and he may have been one of

655
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:53.840
these people who have been having these
tremendous cases, but I was never able

656
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.199
to make contact because of the related
events, because of a couple of people

657
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:04.679
pulling some hope in that same area. See that's very ironic. Now,

658
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.719
when Mouffon gets these cases, I
know Roger Marsh does a lot of blogging

659
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:13.639
about the cases that come in.
When they get these cases that come in,

660
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:19.079
how do they delegate where a case
is going to go? You know

661
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:23.840
who's Is it always by region or
sometimes do they they go by the type

662
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:29.360
of case it is? Well,
it's actually goes both ways. You've got,

663
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.360
first of all, lower profile cases
which are not let's say, for

664
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:37.599
example, abduction. Let's say for
example, sometimes maybe like a landing something

665
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.159
it's an extremely pos encounter. Those
cases first of all get delegated down to

666
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.320
the state. So what NUFON does
is when you report a case like right

667
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.719
now in Ohio, the case they
look at, they say, this is

668
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.119
from Ohio. Let's send it to
Ohio and let's let their team look at

669
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:58.199
it. I received the case because
I'm the one who assigns all cases within

670
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.639
the state, and I've got a
pri with ten investigators right now in the

671
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.000
state. That what I do is
I look at the region they live in

672
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:10.440
and assigned cases based on the region
erect The few exceptions I may make is

673
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:15.559
if I see that one investigator is
getting overloated because let's say Cincinnati has more

674
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:20.159
cases than maybe some other region,
I'll take and maybe try to spread the

675
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.199
wealth a little bit. Another thing
I look at is if you get that

676
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:28.360
aha moment that maybe this case has
a little bit more substance to look and

677
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.880
maybe what people realized, then you
may reach out to a little bit more

678
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.599
senior investigator and delegate that case down
to them. But when you get cases

679
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:40.199
in this case, like the abduction
situation we had, we've got the Star

680
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:44.360
Team, and not all states have
a Star Team, but a number of

681
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:49.280
states it's more like an immediate response
team. When that case comes in,

682
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:53.119
the state director is also notified,
but it gets delegated down from Star Team

683
00:53:53.199 --> 00:54:00.760
members from that state, and our
goal is to make contact with the witnesses

684
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.199
within three hours. We want to
be on that scene as close as we

685
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.960
can, especially if you configure that
what if we had like a Roswell Parish

686
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:13.800
here in Ohio. We want to
get there before these green trusts come up

687
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:17.159
with canvas backs don't fit it everything
away. We want to get that first

688
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:22.199
opportunity. They're also forming a newer
team now that's going to be in a

689
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:27.920
similar nature where when these high profile
cases coming again, extremely high profile,

690
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.320
they get again more seasoned veterans out
there immediately to handle these. So it's

691
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:37.679
really kind of like they're looking at
the case, the type of case coming

692
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:42.000
in. They want the best people
hanging as handling it as possible. I

693
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:47.440
see now, right Patterson in Dayton, Ohio. Is there a lot of

694
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:54.320
things happening in that area. We
get a number of report in that region

695
00:54:54.400 --> 00:55:00.039
then way and sometimes depends on the
time of year. There's an area called

696
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:05.400
the Middletown, Ohio down there which
has skydivers and just what they like the

697
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:12.000
skydiving high players. Right, yes, and every July June July we can

698
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:16.760
always expect who knows how many reports
coming in from skydivers And you go to

699
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:21.239
the website and you say, well, we didn't we didn't know that we're

700
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:24.679
going to attract attention like this.
But then when you look at their advertisements.

701
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:30.639
They say that we have been known
to make news media that draws attention

702
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.960
to your event if you're considering hiringess, which meant that they would be featured

703
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:38.360
the national news or local news because
of UFO recurs is what it really bailed

704
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:43.840
down to. We get those,
we get the Chinese lanterns, but then

705
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:51.119
there are people reporting and seeing objects
around the right Pad area. And I'm

706
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.440
kind of a believer that, you
know, maybe that right path, and

707
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:59.079
not just because it's in my own
state, but maybe right Pad is more

708
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:04.360
of a central area where this stuff
is being held at when they had to

709
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:09.239
tick for it. It just comes
up too many times, and you know

710
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:15.079
it has to have something going on
there. I've always been fascinated with that

711
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:21.840
l I and as a kid,
going back in the sixties, I remember

712
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:29.199
talking to one of my buddies whose
brother was a security about it right pat

713
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:34.000
on the base itself, and he
was telling his younger brother about the fact

714
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.039
that there was an area down it
if they were told to kill anybody if

715
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:40.079
they would have got inside of this
building, And it made me wonder what

716
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:44.760
that building was now a these years
later. Was it something maybe military related

717
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:50.000
or who knows. Maybe it goes
back to something being hidden down there out

718
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:54.280
of public size, right right.
So you just talked a minute ago about

719
00:56:54.519 --> 00:57:00.320
Chinese lantern. That's another headache.
The hoax, the videos on you Tube,

720
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.639
that's another headache. Now we have
drones coming on strong, and I

721
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:08.880
think that's going to make things even
more tough. Do you have do you

722
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:15.000
have? I know there's a lot
of toy drones out there that someone could

723
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:20.840
possibly mistake for something, but do
you hear about drones at all? Yes?

724
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:22.960
To do it. We've had several
potsmen in for Ohio that you know.

725
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:28.920
The investigator's opinion was, where we're
seeing a drone. I had one

726
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:35.440
come in from northern United Kingdom and
the witness admitted me a video where you

727
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.199
could see an object growing up besides
the church steeple. It went up several

728
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:45.639
hundred feet almost instantaneously, covered there
for about five minutes without any motion whatsoever,

729
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.280
had a fairly intense light on it, and dropped exactly the way it

730
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:55.000
came back up after about five minutes. When I questioned a witness on it

731
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:01.559
if anybody was flying drones in that
region, he really got hot. He

732
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.760
says, I thought new fund was
a credible organization, said, He says,

733
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:07.960
all you're trying to do is discredit
what I saw. I said,

734
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:12.480
no, I'm just trying to see
if we can find a logical answer.

735
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.800
First. I'm not saying that's what
it is, but I'm looking for alimiting

736
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:20.000
the nun. Well, he says, well, nobody flies him around here,

737
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:22.679
so that's it. He said,
Well, I'll check it out.

738
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.199
Several days later email me back and
said, Nope, nobody flies him.

739
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:31.039
Absolutely not. Well, I did
my own research, and even though I'm

740
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:37.280
three thousand miles away, two thousand
miles away, I found, first of

741
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:44.360
all, a secondary angle of the
video. That same night, they had

742
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:47.719
a fireworks display going on in the
region you're at. Somebody was flying the

743
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:53.480
drone to film the fireworks. Secondly, he said, nobody in the region

744
00:58:53.679 --> 00:59:00.400
had a drone. Well, he
was in a town called her Head,

745
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:04.760
and I could make all sorts of
jokes about that, which I won't,

746
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:12.159
okay, but in this case,
you go down. This is basically where

747
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:15.800
he lived that out of his flat, and about two hundred feet from his

748
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:22.000
flat is his hobby shop that sells
drones, helicopters and all sorts of little

749
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.679
vehicles like that, and they had
a great website where they'd got all over

750
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:30.840
the country, and I really wanted
to get sarcastic and say on the way

751
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:31.960
to the pub, you know,
when you're heading down there some night,

752
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.920
you know, kind of look over
your left hand side and wave high to

753
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:39.280
him in a hobby shop as they're
selling their drones. But you know,

754
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:43.079
you can't get like that with a
person. You have to be respectful.

755
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.000
So you know, I just said, you know, hey, this is

756
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:47.280
what my findings are. Unfortunately like
it to bad. You know, I'm

757
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:52.119
sorry, you know, but without
a doubt that one was a drone.

758
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:57.440
I also had an aerial them from
over London that they were flying drones out

759
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:01.840
doing some sort of a maybe mapping
surveillance of the downtown London, of the

760
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:06.679
area where they don't commercial stuff at. But you could tell it when you

761
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.039
blew the image up, mean actually
had it. It was extremely high quality

762
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:14.119
image by the way that the person
sent and once you magnified it because you

763
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:17.239
see exactly what it was. But
you're right, that is going to be

764
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:23.239
a major problem in ongoing years,
and you'll probably find more restrictions on roans

765
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:29.719
around certain areas, especially airports things
like that. Yeah, they really have

766
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.519
to. They really have to figure
out how to map the traffic out on

767
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.239
how all that's going to work.
And you know, Amazon has an idea

768
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:43.320
of delivering packages and you know,
I mean, these things will happen eventually.

769
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:47.000
It just all has to be figured
out. And meanwhile, though you

770
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:52.159
know people are calling in reports,
it makes it harder and harder for an

771
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.679
investigator. I'm sure it does.
I mean, when you get let's say

772
01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:00.800
thirty forty reports in a month,
you've got, in this case, ten

773
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.159
investigators and we've got ninety days.
Once a case comes in to close the

774
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:08.840
case down, the workload can build
up substantial. I mean we may have

775
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:13.760
to be driving out to different witnesses
locations, maybe not one trip, maybe

776
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:17.159
mobile trips, the internet research trying
to find out there's a plausible exclamation.

777
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:22.320
Was it aircraft? Maybe they solve
venus. I mean we're getting that right

778
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:28.079
now this time the year again.
But why you know, we try to

779
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:30.880
tie up our time and especially you
know, they cost us money in the

780
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:37.119
process, and we really love to
dedicate you know, as much time as

781
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:42.039
possible these extremely interesting cases out there, rather than being distracted by somebody,

782
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:45.280
you know, just trying to pull
a hose. Yeah, it really muddies

783
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.480
the water. Well, do you
have a website? We're just about out

784
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:51.199
of time here. Do you have
a website? Yes, we do.

785
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:57.639
The website is called Mufonohio dot com
and we post a lot of our events

786
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.840
that we've got going on this year. As a matter of fact, it

787
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:06.920
can't do a little promotion here.
We've got Ohio Lufon conference coming in June,

788
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.480
and it's gonna be the first weekend
of June. And we're fortunate to

789
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:15.719
have James Fox coming in, who
did two fantastic documentaries. I know what

790
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.079
I saw him out of the Blue. He's gonna be one of our feature

791
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.840
speakers along with Nick red Friends coming
in. He just is releasing the brand

792
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:28.519
new book he's gonna be talking about. And then we've got a third individual

793
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.880
speaking that day. Who's Terry Ray, who's a field investigator from Pennsylvania.

794
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:37.719
Oh, is he the one on
the Orbes? Yes he is. Okay,

795
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.679
Yeah, I'm trying to reach him
actually. Anyway, thanks so much

796
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:45.639
for being on the show today.
I really appreciate it. All Right,

797
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:49.159
everyone, I have some bad news
for you. The internet is down,

798
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:54.639
there's high winds where I'm at.
I was not able to do the live

799
01:02:54.719 --> 01:03:00.280
show part two, so Chip is
probably going to be on next week,

800
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:04.760
and again I apologize for that.
So that's the end of the show.

801
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:10.960
And I apologize to the supporters for
not being able to put up the full

802
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:15.880
two hour show. I mean,
no one really wants to just listen to

803
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:21.039
me talk for a full hour.
I don't think so. Anyway, again

804
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:24.599
I apologize. Internet was down.
We had trouble at the Dark Matter Radio

805
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:30.119
network as well because a computer went
down, so it was one of those

806
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:36.199
nights. Anyway, I want to
thank Alejandro Rojas for the news, and

807
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:40.320
I also want to thank our guests
Tom Wortman, and after that, I

808
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:46.159
want to thank Terry Lloyd Whitehouse and
Bruce Renair for our music. If you

809
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:52.239
go on our website PODCASTUFO dot com, you'll see a new blog posted by

810
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:59.679
Michael Lauk and that is on comic
books and UFOs. And I also want

811
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:04.239
to thank Peggy Shunning for managing our
Facebook page. Remember to like us on

812
01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:10.360
Facebook for all the latest UFO news. And again, if I could talk

813
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:13.840
an hour and make a lot of
sense and make it interesting. I certainly

814
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:18.199
would give it a try, but
I just I can't really think of enough

815
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.639
to say to fill up a whole
hour. And again I do apologize for

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the supporter. I will somehow try
to make that up to you. Maybe

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have an extra long show. So
this is Martin Willis saying, keep your

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eyes to the sky as