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don't know what it was. For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists,
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investigation of the Sasquatch Experience and good Avia. Everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch
Experience. It says so right here on my shirt. I'm Sean the Fort
Chop Forker. That's vans Nesbit below. Vans nesbitt is Henry May and Matt
Arner our special guest tonight, Matt no stranger to you, mister Cryptic Wilderness
himself James Baker inspicuously absent. Maybe he'll be jumping on at some point,
but alas we must soldier on. Guys, how are we doing? I'm
we're doing good. That sounded like it need a little condition. You were
doing good, Henry, Henry, how are you, Bud? I'm good,
very nice. And Matt. Of course, it wouldn't be a show
without our special guest. How are you, man? I know we were
talking. Thank you, thank you. I'm doing great. I'm really happy
to be happy to be on tonight. We're happy to have you and always
good to have our brother Matt Honor back on the program. A guy's it's
been a crazy day. I just got done recording with Matt Knapp over at
Bigfoot Cross Road, so we're gonna have a little bit of a collab going
on there. He'll be coming on the show here in a few weeks to
do sasquatch experience with us as we kind of connect with people. Guys.
That must have been over a decade since I've talked sat down and talked with
Matt and we kind of reminisced about the early days of the blog, talk
radio, the research field, how it's different today, how it's been in
the path. People may not understand, but it's a different world now.
This is not the same community as it was in the late nineties, early
two thousands, And it was just great to kind of reminisce with him a
little bit, talk some squats, share some stories, and then I jumped
right over here to us. So it's been a loaded day. Was out
working the land with Baker this morning. Hopefully he's asleep and nothing more a
sinister has happened there. But why am I laughing? I don't know,
but laugh when you think of Baker and something happening, like right, you
don't want something to happen, but you know it's probably maham so and and
that. Between the last shows, it's just been busy. We did get
a sighting report in this morning. I talked to Matt about it at like
six o'clock. I got really excited about it. So more news on that
as Matt and I investigate strange things happening here in the East Coast with Bigfoot.
Sweet how about you, guys? What's been up while you threw that
right at my face there like a cream pie. No, there's a couple
of things I'll mention during the news segment at the bottom of the hour that
came up as Sasquatch reports, which I found kind of interesting. But other
than that, it's kind of a within close proximity. And you know,
there's a lot of past events that have happened as far as princes going and
future events with conferences that are going with some great people, and we'll talk
about that too. Yeah, most definitely. You know, Henry, how
about you? I know you were talking to me before we started the show.
What's Henry reading? What have you been up to on the book front?
Henry at least contemplating give him a moment. I think he's frozen there
he is. What have you read that I read? I haven't seen Sanderson's
re read. Actually, I haven't seen Sanderson's book. Bobstow Man Legend Come
to life. I hadn't read it for like fifteen years, so I want
to get cover of a fresher chorse on it. Yeah, we talked about
it, and you know, I asked Henry if there was any uh,
you know, particular reason why he read that book. He said, no,
just catching up. But I think you know, Henry's candra on that's
kind of telling we should all be catching up and figuring out, you know,
what's going on. Brian Corbyn Evening, Gentleman Evening, Brian our executive
producer, Brian Corban paying attention and again in supporting has been here tonight on
the show. Yeah, we can all do a little brush up, right.
Yeah, and Henry, you brought up a really good point. I
didn't mean to step on your Sean, but you bring up a really good
point because not in just this subject and genre, but there's a lot of
subjects where I have refreshed from things in the past and reading and going oh
now, this really makes sense. This kind of ties into something that happened
three weeks ago. This makes a lot of sense, and then you can
put pieces together a little bit better by refreshing yourself from reading things that you
read from long ago in the past, and it does. It helps to
button things up and make a little bit more sense. So yeah, I
completely understand what you're saying, Henry. Hmm, I was gonna say,
if you don't mind me interjecting. My reading list comes from Henry and Danny
Perez. Whatever I hear from either of those two. You know, they
give great reviews. They they really uh promote the book if it's a good
book. And uh, you know, I I follow Henry for when the
new publications come out. He'll always give, you know, we give his
thoughts on it. And Danny Perez is just just amazing too, you know.
So uh so out of the two of them, and The Abominable Smoke
Snowman, that's actually next on my reading list. So I've been going through
like a little old school Yeah, so I did. I'm just finishing up
what is I just had it here, Uh Raincoast Sasquatch Robert Allen. Yes,
so I haven't read that in years either, and so I have that,
I have The Abdominal Snowman, which is my next read, and then
after I'm going to get into some new stuff. Less Odell just put that
book out. Um, that's West Virginia, oriended Son in the Mountain.
I have a copyright on the desk. Yes, so that's gonna be my
next read after the Abominal Snowman. So I'm really looking forward to getting into
that. Yeah. No, great, uh, you know, great recommendations
on that, Matt. I was talking to Matt and happ earlier. Like
I said, and you know one of the things that I said, I
got books piling up at my desk. I've got one, two, three,
four, five, six, seven, eight nine books here that I
have to really dive into yet and and explore. One I'm looking forward to
is when I got from Red Grossinger n Agone. I think it's how you
pronounce it, Tales of the Northern Sasquatch. Excited about this one. I
need to need to really check this out because I'd like to get him on
the program and talk about that. I think he's an associate of or has
in the past work with Tom Steenberg, another gentleman we need to get on
the show again. It's been a long time since we had Tom Steenberg on
our airways. Henry. Yes, as we start trying to, you know,
go back into some of the things that we used to. Really it's
been difficult, I mean, just to be absolutely candid with everybody, you
know, frustrating part about making a podcast is creating new fresh content. With
nothing new coming on out there, we haven't had a real good piece of
evidence and how long think, Yeah, it's kind of crazy, isn't it.
Yeah, Like and I don't know, like being in this field for
so long, Like Matt, I'm gonna get your absolute opinion on this and
you can answer to if you want to, because I don't know, it's
still a little it seems like it seems coming back up. I was really
let down by the whole Melbourne Ketchum study. I was analysis, and you
know, you're you're somebody that you know deals with facts and hard science and
what you do. You know, it was just disappointing to me. What
was your thoughts on that? Well, Um, I know that some people
had submitted evidence and it was what they believed to be a phenomenal evidence and
they either never heard anything back or I think they were spending the money more
on what they believed was the best evidence. But some of these hair some
of these uh you know, possible tissue samples. I don't know where they're
at, you know, and if they were able to take copies or not
copies, but if they were to take up a small sample and have those
catalogs somewhere, you know, maybe we might be in a better spot right
now. But but there's gonna be samples that are still coming through the way.
Um, they're still being collected. But like I said, that study,
I was just reading something today and I don't really want to repeat too
much, but there may have been an issue with one of the studies that
were quoted in the in her study itself. That actually was in April Fool's
joke. So um, that came up on one of the Facebook pages today.
So I'll see if I can I can find that before the show ends.
But as for evidence, I you know, they were promising high quality,
high definition film and that was never never brought forth. We got was
Matilda, you know, which look like Chebaca. You know, we're sleeping,
sleeping in the bush. But if it was to go in front of
a jury, they're not going to find that to be incredible. Yeah,
I get that. And you know what, Matt, I think, I
think in some cases, and I could be completely wrong. But if you
are the one that's involved in collecting some of this evidence, yeah, and
you know in your heart this is it, this is the evidence. You're
going to go in at one hundred percent to say, Nope, this is
it. And yet you'll do some science background that in a little bit of
research and it just doesn't come back at that one hundred percent. Leaves you
kind of disappointed. And I think a lot of the promotional effect of those
turning the evidence in say no, this is definitely it because you had the
personal experience of the discovery and the process of it, and then when it
comes back going well, yeah, there's not really definitive answers here, you're
kind of left deflated because you went into it with this one hundred percent attitude
that you've got the golden idol here of you know, proving sat squatchery.
And I think that has a lot to do with it. And I think
that, like to Shawn's point about Melbourne Ketcham's, you know, the entire
it kind of left you dry at the end of it. It's like,
really, you spent this whole time watching this great crime series on TV and
then the last episode just left you with riding off into the sunset and there's
no conclusion, and it is kind of disappointing. I get where Shawn's coming
from too. Yes, although and again I wasn't prepared for this question,
but I do remember that there was a book that was written about the Ketchum
study that was critical of it. But at the same point, the scientists
that had written that book had said that there was some positives from that study
that just weren't really seen at that time. So now now we've had how
many years passed by, and uh, you know with that, you know,
sciences kind of progressed and there were some indicators in that data that that
could you know, eventually be useful to us. So I'll give them kudos
for you know, trying, you know, for for looking into that.
And you never know, you know, it could be uh, you know,
ten fifteen years down the road that we find that maybe her procedure for
doing this wasn't it wasn't the right way, but you know, maybe she
did get a couple things right, um, you know, in her initial
study. So okay, so my question to the other three in the room
here, uh, with the research, because I did read the entire I
would say diagnosis, but it was the research that she conducted. So much
of it was not in Layman's terms. I'm reading Latin. I'm trying to
put pieces together to try to understand exactly what was and what is not.
And it was really hard for me, who was not a biological DNA scientist,
to be able to say, oh, yeah, no, I completely
understand what is being said here, because so much of it is in a
language that I couldn't understand. And I don't know if that's you know,
clearly it's a lack of my education on that aspect, but I'm wondering,
you know, if the rest of us kind of took that same thing to
say, yeah, it was a big nothing burger. And I'm sorry I
use that term because it gets pushed around a lot lately. But I'm wondering
if there's a lot of information that was in the report that we might not
be able to really look at and understand to go, oh, hey,
the light came on. Yeah, this does make a lot of sense.
Horse Shit is horse shit no matter what language you're writing in. No,
I understand that, But did you understand all the language that was written in
that report? I don't think it's necessary to. I really don't. I
don't think there's any hidden cipher in there. I think it's going down to
brass tax and the spirit of the investigation and exercise, which is it was
done portally as many different letters as you want to or many different Latin words.
At the end of the day, junk science is junk science. I'm
not going down that far and saying that's what it is. But look,
in science, your credibility is everything. Oh absolutely, I agree. It's
just a lot of the terminology and the way the report was done I couldn't
follow well, and you're really not intended to because stuff like that's not written
for us, for other scientists. And at the end of the day,
I don't care what language it was written in. The procedures were poor,
right, And when you're already writing a dissertation on junk science, it doesn't
matter what it says because it's garbage. The moment you have is much when
you have a credibility problem, no matter what comes out of your mouth or
whatever, you're right subjective and doesn't really matter in this instance, like it
was just poorly done and the only reason why she got the writer letter in
Latin because she wrote the journal, she published the journal herself. Oh no,
no, I yeah, then I understood. So that's got to tell
you something like all the other Latin reading scientists didn't give a damn enough to
either look at it or even publish it. So my thought on it is,
and I understand what you're saying, Vince, I'm not trying to No,
no, this is the point of this conversation. If nobody of credibility
is going to look at it and even give it the time of day,
it's either because they're just that bias which is unscientific, that they don't hair
what anybody has to say about sasquatch or the existence, or it was just
so poorly done they don't waste their time, right. I would hate to
think that scientists out there just scoff enough and joke enough and think so little
of the potentiality of sashquatch they wouldn't even look at a decently done study,
you know. And I think the credibility issue is what caused the report to
not be taken seriously. That's just my opinion. Yeah, And I was
also wondering what's the end game? You know, Matt, I would take
your opinion. What was the end game with her doing the report that way?
What would be in her psyche to do that report that way where it
eventually just comes out to be nothing but a pile of nothing. I can't
answer that. Yeah, I know, really, I don't know if it
was something for her, you know, just to basically elevate her from you
know, her prior profession of being a veterinary, being veterinary studies to this
DNA expert. But I really couldn't say, you know, yeah, I
think the problem lies right there, Matt, is that she's not a DNA
expert. Correct, you know she and am not minimizing because she went to
school and has the schooling in the credentials of a veterinarian. Yes, but
there's a difference in the level upon which you operate that distinguishes a geneticist or
a DNA scientist to a veterinarian, right, correct? And who else looked
at this? Who else was part of the study? Why weren't there other
credible scientists brought in? And I know Dave Polites was part of it,
and there's a lot of credibility that's lent to the project because he was an
advocate for it, but sometimes even when something goes wrong, you still advocate
because you yourself don't want to lose face. Correct. And one another point
I'd like to add is in the law enforcement side, one of the rules
of evidence is chain of custody. We know that this item, you know,
say DNA, uh you know, item number one came from this particular
person, this particular scene. We know who handled it basically from the collection
up to the point that it's being that's being tested. And then once it's
tested, we still have that evidence because we may have to go to court
and they may say, okay, well you have the test results. I
want to see the I want to see the blood patter, you know,
patterner, I want to see the actual knife that was used. I want
to see the hair. So you have to provide that all the way through
a court case. So that again, I had heard about people that were
missing evidence, that that submitted evidence and never heard anything back, and unfortunately
it would just be that one particular piece because they had so much belief and
uh, you know that this was going to be the you know, the
final uh you know, outcome for DNA evidence, and unfortunately it just it
didn't happen that way. And again, if we went with another DNA expert,
somebody like a Todd Dissteller or someone in that field that would that would
take a look at it, you might feel a little more comfortable. He's
someone that that has worked in the in the DNA, uh decide, He's
very well versed in that, and he knows how to run a lab.
So he doesn't always give us the best answers. But hey, he's honest,
you know in that point. So, and that's the point, right,
do you want the truth or do you want an answer that makes you
happy? Correct? And sometimes they are two very diametrically different things. They're
not always going to fall into the same bucket. And you know, for
what it's worth, it was a study that was done, it was completed.
Now we know we've learned from this of how to go to the next
step, how to go to the next level. Now that's very true,
folks. It starts with you. If you're listening to this and you're a
researcher, you know, the onus is on us to educate ourselves on how
to collect better evidence and the keep chain of custody. We fall short on
that it doesn't matter if it gets to the next level because we can't answer
those questions that are going to need to be answered, and that's where the
slippery soo starts. And if we can answer those questions from the moment of
collection, how's a doctor in a lab going to do it when they're trying
to make a case us very true? No, very true. And Sean,
this goes back to you know, this is not a slam topic.
It's it's not a slam topic. But this goes to Matt money Make who
wrote a report, you know, about a Pennsylvania sighting and deer and in
his report he clearly states, well, dear is the primary protein source of
a sasquatch. Well, how the hell do you know that? Yeah,
how do you know that? You know? And to put out publication like
that to say, no, that's the primary protein source of a sasquatch.
Yeah, I understand there's a notoriety value to that. Okay, you want
to be the first one on the scene, but you don't know that it's
not a plant base, you don't know it's not fish. You just don't
know if the thing is real or not. You don't have one in your
garage to understand what it's primary protein source is, So stop putting out these
publications like that. Then drive me nuts. We just don't know yet.
You have to remember who he's writing for. No, I get it.
He's not writing for He's writing for people that are cemented and believe, like
in that moneymaker's mind Vans, he's solved this, He's proven that Sasquatching understand
that, and his people believe his people people in general. It is no,
I get that believe that. So he's writing in the in the supposition
that the people reading this are people that already believe in him, believe in
the cause that they're working for, that this is a legitimately, this is
legit animal. What I would have said is we believe deer to be a
common source or primary source. We believe based upon the fact that we've found
carcasses, we've found missing organs from carcasses, we've had eyewitness reports of bigfoot
carrying deer. That's a logical way to make that argument. Hero however,
still vance at the end of the day. We go back to what you
just put in front of us. You don't have one in the garage.
How do you know what it eats, right, right, So you have
remember when he's writing, he's not writing for the people like us. He's
putting it out there for people that believe people. Yeah, I understand that.
And you know, there's a term for that, and it's called a
false prophet. And I you know, I look, I appreciate the BFRRO
taking reports. I do. I appreciate the fact that there's at least a
reporting site, whether it's BS or not, at least there's a chronological reporting
site that people can go to and put whatever encounter they had onto a site.
That's cool. I appreciate that. But to turn around, and like
you said, I completely agree with you, he's preaching to his own choir
to state, no, this is how it is. And then yes,
they're real and this is what their hair is and this is what they do.
And it's like, come on, you don't even know the dietary consumption.
How many reports have we heard were a sasquatch only eats the entrails and
not the meat of a deer. None of this makes sense. But to
say, oh, well a deer is the primary protein source of a sasquatch,
really, well, what's the deer population in northern Alaska where there's been
seen up there not a whole lot. So why are you saying something like
that drives me crazy? Well, and again that's regional if that's the area
he chose as the you know the basis of his argument. But here's one
thing that I'll add to your point. Though a great database, it is
when you start putting out claims like that, you start putting attention that may
not be positive on the validity of the database. And what I mean by
that is, are these reports really properly vetted from a place of objectivity or
are they now done from the lens of somebody who's a diehard believer. And
as I talked about earlier tonight with Matt Knapp, is you know, objectivity
is key. You have to go in without any bias. No matter what
my personal experience is, if I've had sightings you know which I know,
I've had encounters, I have to take my own experiences and remove that.
So when I'm dealing with witness A, now this witness in front of me,
I'm looking at it with a blank canvas and a fresh perspective and a
clean lens. Now, after I take their story would I rely on some
of my experience to check the validity. Yes, of course doesn't make it
any more legitimate. It just adds another perspective to it. And at the
end of the day, these thousands of sighting reports are a great collection,
but until we have something of concrete proof, it's always going to be looked
at with some sort of skeptical lens. And honestly, when you write things
like that, it makes it harder for people to take that seriously opinion.
I agreed. Well, guys, guess what it's time for the news and
when we come back, we're gonna talk to Matt about some of the things
he's been up to stick around much experience, Sean Forker vans and has been
Henry May and Matt Arner. All right, that was a barn burner,
and we'll be right back after the big football just a simbo. Uh.
Yes, another fine edition and of the big Foot bullhorn. Uh. Let's
get started by doing something mine even done in a while, which is a
couple of big foot reports from the area. You all excited, huh,
y'all clinched and excited. Uh. This first location is h but a baseball's
throw from where I'm at Now. Many of you think, Oh, Vans
lives in Chicago. Well I really don't. It's kind of Chicago general.
But I'm thirty miles west of Chicago in the Fox River Valley region. But
this bigfoot sighting took place in will County. Like I said, I could
throw baseballs into will County to this area where the sighting was observed in January
of this year. What is stated is grandkids spotted. Aren't we all grandkids?
Grandkids spotted what they saw as a bigfoot in a ditch along a tree
line in rural Custer Park, Illinois, on January twenty first, it stood
watching them. When they looked away, it moved a little ways and stopped
when they looked back at it. They got pictures of it, which I
cannot find any of the pictures, and they found footprints. What are the
pictures? Looks like a bear and we don't have bears in this area.
We have wolves other predatory animals, but now no black bears in this area.
Also noted it states her husband and grandson. But that's kind of weird.
Just say man and his grandson have heard howls and knox at night made
the hair on the back of the man's neck rise. Two grandkids aged ten
and twelve, were walking in the field and yes, about four or five
years ago the grandkids saw a bigfoot in a similar area and it scared them
pretty bad, and they heard of a sighting in Essex a few years back,
page two. First off this whoever wrote this encounter article probably did not
graduate junior high English class and certainly never attended any kind of journalism school.
But out of the state of Michigan, in Monominee County, there were coyote
hunters that had an encounter at about nine thirty at night. Is quoted as
saying we were kyote hunting and when we first sat down, my buddy says,
did you hear that? I said, hear what? And then he
said it sounded like a wood knock. I didn't think much of it,
and we went on to call for coyotes for about thirty minutes. After that
time, I stood up to scan the field's edge and when I scan,
I see two huge glowing eyes like yellowish bright color. I've never seen that
before, and it was high enough off the ground, and my first thought
was the landowner put a reflective sign on a tree, so I scoped in
on it and realized whatever it was was hiding behind the tree looking around it.
Buddy started to scope on it too. Then it proceeded to crouch down
low to the ground and look around the other side of the tree, and
then it disappeared for about ten seconds and then popped up about ten yards to
the right of where we first saw it, and it was looking around a
tree again. And when we scoped on it, it was clear as day.
As we witnessed it, it crouched down to the ground like a person,
and then it vanished. I've been in the woods all my life and
seeing all sorts of eyeshine, and what we saw that night was unexplainable.
Thanks to the BFRO for that well written article. We'll be right back.
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Thanks again for listening to this edition of The big Foot Bullhorn, and
in the meantime, keep your toes in the mud. M hmm. I
could see Sean talking, but I can't hear anything. Yeah. Likewise,
Sean, I can't hear you about that. Is that better? That's a
little better. Yes, there we go. Welcome back everybody. I'm Sean
Forker who had the mute button head had that, you know, the big
Foot Bullhorn from the big Foot Blowhard himself fans Nesbit. Thanks, thanks,
Matt. What have you been up to research wise? We brought you on
the show to talk about you now that we've gotten rid of DNA. Yeah,
yeah, absolutely, I'm doing some fun stuff. So I have the
research area that I'm basically working on right now. It's in north central Pennsylvania.
UM. I have a camper now that's uh on a on a permanent
lot there, so I can I can go there anytime I want, and
I've been going up and there's a couple different specific areas I've been looking at.
UM there's some BFR reports that I've seen that are close to that area.
M I'm also looking at different Facebook groups, whether it's a bigfoot group
or a hiking group, hunting group. UM. Sometimes there's some information that
comes out from there as well as speaking to local people up in the area
that will you know, open up and maybe say they saw something. So
I've been in this research area. The only problem that I see with it
is it's tough to do it alone. Yeah, I was up and one
thing I really emphasized when I try to talk to people about the outdoors and
about being you know, doing bigfoot research especially is being safe. So I
always have a game plan. I always try to make sure I have everything
I need and everything. However, the safety is not the issue when when
I'm going out and doing this. The one particular spot where I was,
it's fifteen miles from where I was to the Highway. So there is a
road that the paved road that comes up through that area, but it's no
one drives on. It's very desolate. So from where I was, it's
fifteen miles to the town of Benezette, and about another ten to twelve miles
to Carthouse and maybe uh twelve miles to the little village of Cinemahoney, there's
nothing there. Yeah, So I was up there two weeks ago, and
normally I try to be pretty passive, but in this area it's kind of
hard to you. You're really gonna try to, you know, do some
call blasting and you know, just see if you get anything. So I
was up there and I got a vocalization returned from a call that I did.
The problem being by yourself. This was so far away and I probably
put it, and I'm a pretty good gauge of distance. It was over
a mile and a half, maybe two miles away, but and I knew
it was to the west. But the one thing is is the road was
it's hard enough to drive during the day, you know, and at night
it's it's really not a lot of fun. So with that being said,
if I had a second person or I had a small group that we could
actually do almost like a triangulation where you have you know, somebody doing call
blasting here, you have another person you know out to the east, another
person out to the west, or another group you know. That way,
if you do get a call returned, you can kind of you know,
regroup and and try to uh, you know, get closer to where that
call was coming from. So it was pretty interesting. UM. I did
also get which I thought was really weird, was I was getting um deep
barking or return on one of my calls, so almost like a domestic dog.
But there's no domestic dogs up there, and coyotes generally have that higher
pitch bark. The eastern coyote is a little different than the western coyote,
but it still does have higher Pitchmarkum, it could have been an alpha male
coyote, but you know, we were thinking, you know, it could
have been you know, somebody dumped a dog out there, or it could
have been you know, something else. Um. But it was just strange
that I was getting these uh these returns and that was actually from a lot
closer that was probably within within a mile from where where I was thinking my
calls. So, um, the one thing is and again I talked about
emphasized safety. I did not follow my rules on two different occasions, and
I one I definitely paid the price for so what I generally do, especially
in the springtime, Uh, ticks are everywhere, So I always treat my
clothing with permethrin. Uh. I'll give a plug to Floyers. They make
the best. So I had it was actually warm that weekend, so I
went to got a pair of you know, like hiking shorts. Camping shorts
were them. I didn't treat them. And when I came back on Sunday,
I had a tick that was right above my kneecap, right where the
hemline was for the shorts. And I'm like, oh my god. So
that was kind of a pain in the neck. Yeah. Yeah. And
then the other thing too, is it We'll go kind of go back to
Matt Moneymaker. In this particular spot that I do call blasting from, it's
a it's a beautiful spot. There's a field and it's almost like a tundra
that you rarely see in the in the lower forty eight I think West Virginia
has it in Dolly Sides, but we have small areas of tundra up in
the Aquehana Plateau. This stretches at least a mile in length. Um Right
next to where this little piece of tundra is, there's also power lines.
So I was doing my call blasting right where the power lines are. Well,
I'm sitting there and I hear crackle, crackle, crackle, and I
look up. I'm like, oh my god, I'm right underneath the power
lines, you know. And the one thing I think of is, if
you ever seen that that picture on Facebook, which I've seen this actually happened
before, is those power lines sometimes go down in winds or they just fail
and whatever's underneath them is boom, It gets gets completely fried. So were
you with us out at the farm in Katawissa. I don't think so.
No. Less and Ray Okay and Dustin. We're up on the up on
the mountain under the power lines and it was incredibly cold, yes, and
you could hear the snap crackle and top of the electrical and it was scary
as hell. Oh it is You're you're thinking, oh, I'm gonna get
I'm gonna get zapped here in a minute. It was scary, But I
absolutely talking about it's an experience in itself. Absolutely, So that's kind of
my My next thing is, uh, you know, trying not to do
call blasting from underneath the power line or anywhere you're the power line for all
that matter. But it was actually a pretty good spot. But as summer
progresses, Um, not only do I have to worry about ticks, but
there's rattlesnakes up. There's like, that's one of the highest concentrations of ratles
snakes in Pennsylvania, so we got to watch out for them. Um,
you know, wildlife. Hey, you know what, I've had my run
ins with bears, coyotes. You know, they really don't want to be
bothered by it, or if they do, it's because you have food and
you shouldn't be you know, uh bringing out your you know, double packet
of reass you know, like I sometimes do, but because will smell that.
Yeah. So uh but anyways, UM, I have been you know,
primarily work in this area, UM, keeping tabs of where I am
getting these calls from, UM, putting up game cameras, I'm putting up
overnight recorders. Uh now I'm I'm usually checking the recorders. I'm only putting
up them up for the night and then taking them the next day just in
case I get anything. If I if I put the long duration recorder out
there for two three weeks and I get something on the second day, you
know, it's really now. On the other hand, if I don't have
the recorder out there and something that, yeah, but at least now I
can I can definitely have a time that. Okay, Hey, on on
Thursday night, you know, between eleven eight or eleven PM, and in
one am I heard heavy footfalls, I heard whistling, I heard you know,
different vocalizations. And if I can get a pattern from that, then
you know, maybe we might be able to have a different experience. At
that point, what long term recorders are you using? Who? Who makes
them? The ones you used? I have the Olympus I I may have
it in my bag, so let me just see which model it is.
I'm not quite as up on the technological end as some of my counterparts,
but oh, here we go. So I have the Olympus DM seven twenty
and uh, I have that right whips right here there it is. And
this is a really, really decent recorder. It was recommended by a researcher
from West Virginia who um you know, it does a lot of you know,
audio recordings. Um, and uh it really has worked out well.
Uh they're a little pricey, but you know, uh that's another reason why
I want to come back every night, you know or in the morning to
get this so it doesn't walk away. And uh, but this has been
actually a fantastic device to you. So it goes long term. Um,
you can program it so if I did want to keep it out there,
I can program it to record between the hours of ten ten pm and three
am or four am. You know usually when you're you're going to get more
vocalization activity. So um, yeah, that's been a big plus for me.
Doing the research, I'm looking at some of these field recorders. They
have matt zoom F three two input field recorder three hundred dollars. Yes,
and that's a that's a light one. There's some yes, there's some wowing
out a star trek, yeah exactly. And what I found too is just
one when I was doing the research on this is there are specific recorders that
people use for bird uh for bird um watching and you know, listening to
to the identity from of the birds from the songs. And they're quite expensive
but but with those I believe they can they can be times as well,
they can be hidden. Um and uh, they've been very good with uh.
You know when they're out there turning today. Will they work at night?
You know, hopefully? Yeah. I mean honestly, some of the
stuff is. We're in a good area, man. I don't absolutely people
don't unless you're from Pennsylvania. I don't think you appreciate it because you think
it's Burger Philadelphia. You don't think everything in between. And yes, you
talk about navigating the roads at nighttime. You and I've been out there where
you need some sort of light to help you drive because so uh, you
know, you could easily get turned around, get lost in particularly in the
woods. When we had Gabe up in that area where we were at with
Stephen Cary. You know, it was only eight o'clock and it was black.
It was completely dark out there, and it was treacherous enough navigating those
those roads with headlights. I couldn't imagine, you know, and by myself
that would never happen. I don't do anything myself anymore. You're a brave
man. Yeah. Again, I really want to get you guys out there,
and I'm hoping maybe sometime, you know, as we get closer to
the fall, or even in the summertime, that that we can get a
couple of us up there and and do some research. It's a ripe area,
man, And it's so hard to get people on the record to talk
about sightings in this part of Pennsylvania. So people are conservative, they don't
want to talk about this, and they're hunters, and they don't want anything
to in a up to the way of life that they have. Yes,
so getting a sighting report is few and far between. I tinkered with the
idea of putting flyers up at the general stores in the um convenience stations up
those ways that I just don't know if we'd be spending more time weeding through
bullcrap or if we'd actually be getting some legitimate reports, you know. I
think with that you'd have to weed through the bullcrap to get that one golden
cord. And I've thought about the same thing where I know all the general
stores up there, because that's the only place you have, you know,
and they have gas which you gotta pay five bucks agling for, but uh,
you know, they have your food, they have you know, a
little restaurant or something there. I know, with the restaurants by the way,
you know, all the good places to go. Yeah. So uh
but anyways, with that, that's not a bad idea, you are you
know, we would all get you know, the a I saw foot,
you know, riding on a mountain lion, you know, yeah, you're
going to get those. But it's gonna be that one person that that comes
through and says, hey, you know this is why I saw um.
And one of the Facebook groups, uh it was one of the hunting groups,
somebody came out and said that they had seen something in in my research
area. Um, it's on the eastern side of it. But he actually,
uh you know, of course he got laughed at. I sent him
a private message. He actually sent me the coordinates. Wow. Yeah,
yeah, on his uh we have the onyx app and which again by the
way, and uh so he was able to send me the the GPS locations.
He had two sidings and he said, hey, this is where the
first one was. This was in two thousand, you know, seventeen,
he said. The other one was twenty and twenty. This is where where
it happened. They wrote that far from each other, and he said they
were two different creatures. That's relatively recent too, Matt. That's the same
for our store. For our sakes, when Ray and I had got stuck
up on Pleasant Valley Road out in the middle of nowhere, in the middle
of winter during a blizzard, and we had to walk miles to civilization,
we were actually thinking about breaking into a cabin and asking for permission later and
paying for any damage because we were really stuck and it was a tricky situation.
We needed a phone. Yeah, cell phone didn't work out that way,
you know that. We made our way out to a guy that lived.
Happened We just happened to see smoke coming out of the chimney one of
these cabins and over knocked the doors, like, what the hell you guys
doing out here? Yeah, And of course, you know, we explained
what we were doing out there, why we were out there, and after
a minute of him feeling us out, he shared a story with us about
something taking a deer that was hanging off his back porch. It stole the
whole deer, took the cart gone, It just took it out and he
could never explain as to what did it. And every year around the end
of summer, he gets like people know something's there and they get this horrible
smell yep that occurs, and so I've wanted to get back out that way.
My dad ended up coming to rescue us that night, but it was
on old Root Forteam, you know, to tell you, you know,
in the general area where that was. But the sightings happen out there.
It's just funny to me that even with all the popularity big Foot's gotten,
people still don't want to talk about it up there. They don't, yep.
And again, I think it's more a social issue where they were free
because if they put something out, they're going to get laughed at. Article.
Yeah, and so they'll just keep the signs themselves. And you know,
sometimes when they do actually come out and say something, I'll send if
it's on a non big Foot page, you know, if it's a hiking
page, you know, one of the hunting pages, I'll send them a
private message and say, hey, listen, you know, I believe you
can you tell me a little more. And you know, usually when you
when you come out like that, you do get uh, you know,
the people to open up and and tell you about their experience there. Are
so many people that have had experiences and you know, even like, you
know, I'll go back to my mom and I told you guys from my
last uh podcast with you guys, my mom saw a big foot, you
know, when I was when I was a young kid. She never reported
that, you know, it was just something that you know, she told
my dad. They went out in the car and drove out to the road.
They told me I had to stay home, which to me, that
was probably one of the most traumatic experiences of my life. But um,
but again, you know how many people have these experiences and just don't tell
anyone. And you know, it could be you know, not as uh.
You know, it could be more common. You know that there that
there is something out in the woods, and you know if people are not
talking about it. We got a report this morning that you know, we
we got to investigate. That's coming from Delaware. But still, nonetheless,
it's amazing how these things sometimes come in waves too, you know, And
it's been a while since we've had some decent centering reports are starting to get
them. I just wish we were getting more of them from our area.
So folks, if you live your Central PA area, get a hold of
us. We'll investigate it. It's what we do. Yep, Matt,
You're going to be at the Small Town Monsters fastinat next week. Correct?
I am coming ash as a guest of you guys. Yes, coming is
going to be show. I'm excited. We always have a good time when
we get together, Matt. Whether we're three, you're bullshitting at conferences.
Um, it's what we do. Vans Henry, you guys have any questions
form Matt. I don't know that I have any questions. You know,
all these series of thoughts of you know, your points that you brought up
during this whole conversation. How many times have we heard that's over and over
that you have let's just say two hundred documented reports. There's probably another five
hundred that are undocumented because people just don't know what to do with it.
They don't bother to look into an area to maybe make a report, or
they keep it personal to themselves and they share it with their close family members
and that's it. And boy, if we had all that information on top
of what has been reported, we're talking an absolute plethora of amazing information.
But unfortunately that doesn't happen. So and I think it's uh. You know.
One thing I was telling Sean too is I had another police officer he
doesn't work with me, with another agency completely. The guys were kind of
busting me about the bigfoot thing, and he came up. He was like,
dude, I had an experience. And we talked at length about this
experience that he had with vocalizations, the odor, you know, and he
was like, yeah. It was like, there's no other way to explain.
He knows coyotes, He's very well versed in the outdoors. He said
this was something that he never had any sort of dealings with before. It
was in a very remote area of actually central Pennsylvania. And you know,
again, I think as more people bring it into the mainstream, not just
from the TV shows, but even from people like us, you know,
just talking to friends about it and stuff, You're going to get more people
coming forward saying, hey, you know, I think I saw something in
the woods, you know, or hey, I hadn't experienced I couldn't explain,
And to me personally, I don't care if it happened back in the
nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties nine. It doesn't matter because I don't think
the behavior of the creature changes much. Yes, no matter what year had
happened in. It's just the sharing of the story and the environment and the
setting on which that experience happened in can still go to relevant research today.
I really quick, as I know we're getting close to the time. But
I did. There's two PFR ROW reports from from up in that area,
and they were both on the same road, and the road isn't a very
you know, big road. One was from the nine late nineteen seventies and
the other one was from the mid two you know, like twenty ten.
So is this creature that old or is this you know, maybe a pocket
of you know, there was a family or something there that we're talking in
a second generation, is right, and now would be a good time to
research editor because we may get into the third generation. Yeah, So no,
I don't think that the creature. Yeah, I don't think that the
creature would be that old. It's just an ongoing population that's in that area
and it just so happened to be seen in the same area. Which that's
what I mean by if you go back in time, it doesn't matter when
those reports were issued, it's still very relevant to the research that we do
today because the behavior of the creature isn't going to change. So what if
the calendar changes, but the behavior doesn't change. And that's what I find
really fascinating and very useful for today's research. Absolutely, food, water,
shoulder, right, have it there in privacy. Right, They're gonna stay
there. Very true. Way to cap off this show. Any final thoughts
vans Henry. I don't see Henry, but my final thoughts is, you
know, hats off, hat tipped to you. Thanks Matt for showing up.
We greatly appreciate it, and I'm looking forward to giving you a hearty
handshake and a pat on the back when we do get together. Awesome,
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