WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:05.480 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect 2 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:09.679 the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. 3 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:16.879 As always, listener discretion is advised. What are your pot We've got someone 4 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:26.800 or something crawling around out here? Does a legend walk among us working in 5 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:34.240 the forests of our world? You see what it was? Or at a 6 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:38.280 person or an animal or I can't go over knowledge that my center light came 7 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.719 on and I hippa with a glimm. See this bank running across the yard, 8 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.640 A good sized man or something. It worked like a man. I 9 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:53.719 don't know what it was. For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, 10 00:00:54.000 --> 00:01:00.000 researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to gain instant truth around the exist 11 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:11.079 instance of this mysterious entity. Hello, put somebody out here, put on 12 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:14.959 down there. I thought of abctions about all right, I don't know easy 13 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.799 amount there that I'm working right out? Okay, it's right to get in 14 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.159 your yard there right? God you begar? Okay, what do you do 15 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:34.040 in your yard? Whatever? Bring you join us as we continue into the 16 00:01:34.120 --> 00:02:01.680 investigation of the Sasquatch Experience and good Avia. Everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch 17 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:06.239 Experience. It says so right here on my shirt. I'm Sean the Fort 18 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:12.400 Chop Forker. That's vans Nesbit below. Vans nesbitt is Henry May and Matt 19 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.840 Arner our special guest tonight, Matt no stranger to you, mister Cryptic Wilderness 20 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:22.879 himself James Baker inspicuously absent. Maybe he'll be jumping on at some point, 21 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.840 but alas we must soldier on. Guys, how are we doing? I'm 22 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:35.599 we're doing good. That sounded like it need a little condition. You were 23 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:39.319 doing good, Henry, Henry, how are you, Bud? I'm good, 24 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:43.879 very nice. And Matt. Of course, it wouldn't be a show 25 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:46.159 without our special guest. How are you, man? I know we were 26 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:51.639 talking. Thank you, thank you. I'm doing great. I'm really happy 27 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:55.400 to be happy to be on tonight. We're happy to have you and always 28 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.199 good to have our brother Matt Honor back on the program. A guy's it's 29 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:05.919 been a crazy day. I just got done recording with Matt Knapp over at 30 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:10.120 Bigfoot Cross Road, so we're gonna have a little bit of a collab going 31 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:13.719 on there. He'll be coming on the show here in a few weeks to 32 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.879 do sasquatch experience with us as we kind of connect with people. Guys. 33 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.639 That must have been over a decade since I've talked sat down and talked with 34 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:25.560 Matt and we kind of reminisced about the early days of the blog, talk 35 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:31.479 radio, the research field, how it's different today, how it's been in 36 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:36.400 the path. People may not understand, but it's a different world now. 37 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.319 This is not the same community as it was in the late nineties, early 38 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:43.599 two thousands, And it was just great to kind of reminisce with him a 39 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.759 little bit, talk some squats, share some stories, and then I jumped 40 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:51.120 right over here to us. So it's been a loaded day. Was out 41 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:54.479 working the land with Baker this morning. Hopefully he's asleep and nothing more a 42 00:03:54.560 --> 00:04:00.240 sinister has happened there. But why am I laughing? I don't know, 43 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.080 but laugh when you think of Baker and something happening, like right, you 44 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:11.439 don't want something to happen, but you know it's probably maham so and and 45 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.120 that. Between the last shows, it's just been busy. We did get 46 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:15.800 a sighting report in this morning. I talked to Matt about it at like 47 00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:19.800 six o'clock. I got really excited about it. So more news on that 48 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:26.199 as Matt and I investigate strange things happening here in the East Coast with Bigfoot. 49 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:31.879 Sweet how about you, guys? What's been up while you threw that 50 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:39.680 right at my face there like a cream pie. No, there's a couple 51 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:43.600 of things I'll mention during the news segment at the bottom of the hour that 52 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:49.639 came up as Sasquatch reports, which I found kind of interesting. But other 53 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:56.160 than that, it's kind of a within close proximity. And you know, 54 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.319 there's a lot of past events that have happened as far as princes going and 55 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:05.680 future events with conferences that are going with some great people, and we'll talk 56 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:11.600 about that too. Yeah, most definitely. You know, Henry, how 57 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.439 about you? I know you were talking to me before we started the show. 58 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.279 What's Henry reading? What have you been up to on the book front? 59 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:30.920 Henry at least contemplating give him a moment. I think he's frozen there 60 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:35.079 he is. What have you read that I read? I haven't seen Sanderson's 61 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:41.639 re read. Actually, I haven't seen Sanderson's book. Bobstow Man Legend Come 62 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:46.839 to life. I hadn't read it for like fifteen years, so I want 63 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.839 to get cover of a fresher chorse on it. Yeah, we talked about 64 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.920 it, and you know, I asked Henry if there was any uh, 65 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:56.759 you know, particular reason why he read that book. He said, no, 66 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.879 just catching up. But I think you know, Henry's candra on that's 67 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:05.480 kind of telling we should all be catching up and figuring out, you know, 68 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:10.480 what's going on. Brian Corbyn Evening, Gentleman Evening, Brian our executive 69 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:15.560 producer, Brian Corban paying attention and again in supporting has been here tonight on 70 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.800 the show. Yeah, we can all do a little brush up, right. 71 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.920 Yeah, and Henry, you brought up a really good point. I 72 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:24.439 didn't mean to step on your Sean, but you bring up a really good 73 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:30.160 point because not in just this subject and genre, but there's a lot of 74 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:34.800 subjects where I have refreshed from things in the past and reading and going oh 75 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:39.839 now, this really makes sense. This kind of ties into something that happened 76 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.279 three weeks ago. This makes a lot of sense, and then you can 77 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:48.480 put pieces together a little bit better by refreshing yourself from reading things that you 78 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:53.800 read from long ago in the past, and it does. It helps to 79 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.879 button things up and make a little bit more sense. So yeah, I 80 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:03.480 completely understand what you're saying, Henry. Hmm, I was gonna say, 81 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:12.040 if you don't mind me interjecting. My reading list comes from Henry and Danny 82 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:18.839 Perez. Whatever I hear from either of those two. You know, they 83 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:25.720 give great reviews. They they really uh promote the book if it's a good 84 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:30.639 book. And uh, you know, I I follow Henry for when the 85 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.639 new publications come out. He'll always give, you know, we give his 86 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:41.120 thoughts on it. And Danny Perez is just just amazing too, you know. 87 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.959 So uh so out of the two of them, and The Abominable Smoke 88 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:48.600 Snowman, that's actually next on my reading list. So I've been going through 89 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:53.759 like a little old school Yeah, so I did. I'm just finishing up 90 00:07:54.920 --> 00:08:01.360 what is I just had it here, Uh Raincoast Sasquatch Robert Allen. Yes, 91 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.240 so I haven't read that in years either, and so I have that, 92 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.480 I have The Abdominal Snowman, which is my next read, and then 93 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:15.959 after I'm going to get into some new stuff. Less Odell just put that 94 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.519 book out. Um, that's West Virginia, oriended Son in the Mountain. 95 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.759 I have a copyright on the desk. Yes, so that's gonna be my 96 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:33.759 next read after the Abominal Snowman. So I'm really looking forward to getting into 97 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.960 that. Yeah. No, great, uh, you know, great recommendations 98 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:43.240 on that, Matt. I was talking to Matt and happ earlier. Like 99 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.639 I said, and you know one of the things that I said, I 100 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.600 got books piling up at my desk. I've got one, two, three, 101 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.679 four, five, six, seven, eight nine books here that I 102 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:58.399 have to really dive into yet and and explore. One I'm looking forward to 103 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:07.120 is when I got from Red Grossinger n Agone. I think it's how you 104 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.279 pronounce it, Tales of the Northern Sasquatch. Excited about this one. I 105 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.679 need to need to really check this out because I'd like to get him on 106 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:18.360 the program and talk about that. I think he's an associate of or has 107 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.360 in the past work with Tom Steenberg, another gentleman we need to get on 108 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.159 the show again. It's been a long time since we had Tom Steenberg on 109 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.360 our airways. Henry. Yes, as we start trying to, you know, 110 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.159 go back into some of the things that we used to. Really it's 111 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.960 been difficult, I mean, just to be absolutely candid with everybody, you 112 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:41.159 know, frustrating part about making a podcast is creating new fresh content. With 113 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:48.600 nothing new coming on out there, we haven't had a real good piece of 114 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.279 evidence and how long think, Yeah, it's kind of crazy, isn't it. 115 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.159 Yeah, Like and I don't know, like being in this field for 116 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.240 so long, Like Matt, I'm gonna get your absolute opinion on this and 117 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.799 you can answer to if you want to, because I don't know, it's 118 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.960 still a little it seems like it seems coming back up. I was really 119 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.960 let down by the whole Melbourne Ketchum study. I was analysis, and you 120 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.919 know, you're you're somebody that you know deals with facts and hard science and 121 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.320 what you do. You know, it was just disappointing to me. What 122 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:22.840 was your thoughts on that? Well, Um, I know that some people 123 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:28.600 had submitted evidence and it was what they believed to be a phenomenal evidence and 124 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:37.759 they either never heard anything back or I think they were spending the money more 125 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:43.679 on what they believed was the best evidence. But some of these hair some 126 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:50.279 of these uh you know, possible tissue samples. I don't know where they're 127 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.720 at, you know, and if they were able to take copies or not 128 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.039 copies, but if they were to take up a small sample and have those 129 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.200 catalogs somewhere, you know, maybe we might be in a better spot right 130 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.879 now. But but there's gonna be samples that are still coming through the way. 131 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:13.759 Um, they're still being collected. But like I said, that study, 132 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:18.639 I was just reading something today and I don't really want to repeat too 133 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:24.120 much, but there may have been an issue with one of the studies that 134 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:31.600 were quoted in the in her study itself. That actually was in April Fool's 135 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:37.279 joke. So um, that came up on one of the Facebook pages today. 136 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.360 So I'll see if I can I can find that before the show ends. 137 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:48.320 But as for evidence, I you know, they were promising high quality, 138 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:56.240 high definition film and that was never never brought forth. We got was 139 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.000 Matilda, you know, which look like Chebaca. You know, we're sleeping, 140 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:07.360 sleeping in the bush. But if it was to go in front of 141 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.320 a jury, they're not going to find that to be incredible. Yeah, 142 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.919 I get that. And you know what, Matt, I think, I 143 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.360 think in some cases, and I could be completely wrong. But if you 144 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.799 are the one that's involved in collecting some of this evidence, yeah, and 145 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.679 you know in your heart this is it, this is the evidence. You're 146 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.679 going to go in at one hundred percent to say, Nope, this is 147 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:37.360 it. And yet you'll do some science background that in a little bit of 148 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.440 research and it just doesn't come back at that one hundred percent. Leaves you 149 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:46.440 kind of disappointed. And I think a lot of the promotional effect of those 150 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:52.519 turning the evidence in say no, this is definitely it because you had the 151 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:58.480 personal experience of the discovery and the process of it, and then when it 152 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.320 comes back going well, yeah, there's not really definitive answers here, you're 153 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.519 kind of left deflated because you went into it with this one hundred percent attitude 154 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:13.559 that you've got the golden idol here of you know, proving sat squatchery. 155 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.480 And I think that has a lot to do with it. And I think 156 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:22.559 that, like to Shawn's point about Melbourne Ketcham's, you know, the entire 157 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.840 it kind of left you dry at the end of it. It's like, 158 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:31.159 really, you spent this whole time watching this great crime series on TV and 159 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.360 then the last episode just left you with riding off into the sunset and there's 160 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.960 no conclusion, and it is kind of disappointing. I get where Shawn's coming 161 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:46.720 from too. Yes, although and again I wasn't prepared for this question, 162 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:52.399 but I do remember that there was a book that was written about the Ketchum 163 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:58.960 study that was critical of it. But at the same point, the scientists 164 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.720 that had written that book had said that there was some positives from that study 165 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:11.559 that just weren't really seen at that time. So now now we've had how 166 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:16.159 many years passed by, and uh, you know with that, you know, 167 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.759 sciences kind of progressed and there were some indicators in that data that that 168 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:28.120 could you know, eventually be useful to us. So I'll give them kudos 169 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.840 for you know, trying, you know, for for looking into that. 170 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.720 And you never know, you know, it could be uh, you know, 171 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:41.279 ten fifteen years down the road that we find that maybe her procedure for 172 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.879 doing this wasn't it wasn't the right way, but you know, maybe she 173 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.720 did get a couple things right, um, you know, in her initial 174 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.679 study. So okay, so my question to the other three in the room 175 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:01.120 here, uh, with the research, because I did read the entire I 176 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:05.639 would say diagnosis, but it was the research that she conducted. So much 177 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:11.919 of it was not in Layman's terms. I'm reading Latin. I'm trying to 178 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.759 put pieces together to try to understand exactly what was and what is not. 179 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:22.519 And it was really hard for me, who was not a biological DNA scientist, 180 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.200 to be able to say, oh, yeah, no, I completely 181 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.799 understand what is being said here, because so much of it is in a 182 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.960 language that I couldn't understand. And I don't know if that's you know, 183 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.399 clearly it's a lack of my education on that aspect, but I'm wondering, 184 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.440 you know, if the rest of us kind of took that same thing to 185 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:43.840 say, yeah, it was a big nothing burger. And I'm sorry I 186 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.519 use that term because it gets pushed around a lot lately. But I'm wondering 187 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:54.799 if there's a lot of information that was in the report that we might not 188 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:58.799 be able to really look at and understand to go, oh, hey, 189 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:00.480 the light came on. Yeah, this does make a lot of sense. 190 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.480 Horse Shit is horse shit no matter what language you're writing in. No, 191 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:10.919 I understand that, But did you understand all the language that was written in 192 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.720 that report? I don't think it's necessary to. I really don't. I 193 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:17.799 don't think there's any hidden cipher in there. I think it's going down to 194 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.000 brass tax and the spirit of the investigation and exercise, which is it was 195 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:29.120 done portally as many different letters as you want to or many different Latin words. 196 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:33.120 At the end of the day, junk science is junk science. I'm 197 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.000 not going down that far and saying that's what it is. But look, 198 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.360 in science, your credibility is everything. Oh absolutely, I agree. It's 199 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.440 just a lot of the terminology and the way the report was done I couldn't 200 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:51.600 follow well, and you're really not intended to because stuff like that's not written 201 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:56.559 for us, for other scientists. And at the end of the day, 202 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.840 I don't care what language it was written in. The procedures were poor, 203 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:06.200 right, And when you're already writing a dissertation on junk science, it doesn't 204 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:11.920 matter what it says because it's garbage. The moment you have is much when 205 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.559 you have a credibility problem, no matter what comes out of your mouth or 206 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:18.039 whatever, you're right subjective and doesn't really matter in this instance, like it 207 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.599 was just poorly done and the only reason why she got the writer letter in 208 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:29.240 Latin because she wrote the journal, she published the journal herself. Oh no, 209 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.720 no, I yeah, then I understood. So that's got to tell 210 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:37.640 you something like all the other Latin reading scientists didn't give a damn enough to 211 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:42.839 either look at it or even publish it. So my thought on it is, 212 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.599 and I understand what you're saying, Vince, I'm not trying to No, 213 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:51.720 no, this is the point of this conversation. If nobody of credibility 214 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:52.880 is going to look at it and even give it the time of day, 215 00:17:53.599 --> 00:18:00.160 it's either because they're just that bias which is unscientific, that they don't hair 216 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.160 what anybody has to say about sasquatch or the existence, or it was just 217 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.599 so poorly done they don't waste their time, right. I would hate to 218 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.400 think that scientists out there just scoff enough and joke enough and think so little 219 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:18.640 of the potentiality of sashquatch they wouldn't even look at a decently done study, 220 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:27.480 you know. And I think the credibility issue is what caused the report to 221 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:32.160 not be taken seriously. That's just my opinion. Yeah, And I was 222 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.559 also wondering what's the end game? You know, Matt, I would take 223 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:38.920 your opinion. What was the end game with her doing the report that way? 224 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:44.279 What would be in her psyche to do that report that way where it 225 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:51.319 eventually just comes out to be nothing but a pile of nothing. I can't 226 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:55.240 answer that. Yeah, I know, really, I don't know if it 227 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:03.799 was something for her, you know, just to basically elevate her from you 228 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:10.880 know, her prior profession of being a veterinary, being veterinary studies to this 229 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:18.400 DNA expert. But I really couldn't say, you know, yeah, I 230 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.480 think the problem lies right there, Matt, is that she's not a DNA 231 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.559 expert. Correct, you know she and am not minimizing because she went to 232 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.599 school and has the schooling in the credentials of a veterinarian. Yes, but 233 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:36.960 there's a difference in the level upon which you operate that distinguishes a geneticist or 234 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:42.680 a DNA scientist to a veterinarian, right, correct? And who else looked 235 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.119 at this? Who else was part of the study? Why weren't there other 236 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:51.039 credible scientists brought in? And I know Dave Polites was part of it, 237 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.480 and there's a lot of credibility that's lent to the project because he was an 238 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:59.680 advocate for it, but sometimes even when something goes wrong, you still advocate 239 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:04.200 because you yourself don't want to lose face. Correct. And one another point 240 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:10.079 I'd like to add is in the law enforcement side, one of the rules 241 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:15.839 of evidence is chain of custody. We know that this item, you know, 242 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:23.319 say DNA, uh you know, item number one came from this particular 243 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:29.960 person, this particular scene. We know who handled it basically from the collection 244 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:36.920 up to the point that it's being that's being tested. And then once it's 245 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:41.599 tested, we still have that evidence because we may have to go to court 246 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.359 and they may say, okay, well you have the test results. I 247 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:47.960 want to see the I want to see the blood patter, you know, 248 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.920 patterner, I want to see the actual knife that was used. I want 249 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:56.200 to see the hair. So you have to provide that all the way through 250 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:02.920 a court case. So that again, I had heard about people that were 251 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.599 missing evidence, that that submitted evidence and never heard anything back, and unfortunately 252 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:12.759 it would just be that one particular piece because they had so much belief and 253 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.079 uh, you know that this was going to be the you know, the 254 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:22.559 final uh you know, outcome for DNA evidence, and unfortunately it just it 255 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:29.759 didn't happen that way. And again, if we went with another DNA expert, 256 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:34.359 somebody like a Todd Dissteller or someone in that field that would that would 257 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.720 take a look at it, you might feel a little more comfortable. He's 258 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:44.279 someone that that has worked in the in the DNA, uh decide, He's 259 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:47.559 very well versed in that, and he knows how to run a lab. 260 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.440 So he doesn't always give us the best answers. But hey, he's honest, 261 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.880 you know in that point. So, and that's the point, right, 262 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.880 do you want the truth or do you want an answer that makes you 263 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:04.319 happy? Correct? And sometimes they are two very diametrically different things. They're 264 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.240 not always going to fall into the same bucket. And you know, for 265 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.359 what it's worth, it was a study that was done, it was completed. 266 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:15.440 Now we know we've learned from this of how to go to the next 267 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.960 step, how to go to the next level. Now that's very true, 268 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:21.880 folks. It starts with you. If you're listening to this and you're a 269 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.880 researcher, you know, the onus is on us to educate ourselves on how 270 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:30.480 to collect better evidence and the keep chain of custody. We fall short on 271 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.960 that it doesn't matter if it gets to the next level because we can't answer 272 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.960 those questions that are going to need to be answered, and that's where the 273 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:41.720 slippery soo starts. And if we can answer those questions from the moment of 274 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.359 collection, how's a doctor in a lab going to do it when they're trying 275 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:51.680 to make a case us very true? No, very true. And Sean, 276 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.680 this goes back to you know, this is not a slam topic. 277 00:22:55.880 --> 00:23:00.599 It's it's not a slam topic. But this goes to Matt money Make who 278 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:04.519 wrote a report, you know, about a Pennsylvania sighting and deer and in 279 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:11.240 his report he clearly states, well, dear is the primary protein source of 280 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.279 a sasquatch. Well, how the hell do you know that? Yeah, 281 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:21.839 how do you know that? You know? And to put out publication like 282 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.480 that to say, no, that's the primary protein source of a sasquatch. 283 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:30.839 Yeah, I understand there's a notoriety value to that. Okay, you want 284 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.400 to be the first one on the scene, but you don't know that it's 285 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.839 not a plant base, you don't know it's not fish. You just don't 286 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.279 know if the thing is real or not. You don't have one in your 287 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:48.039 garage to understand what it's primary protein source is, So stop putting out these 288 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.000 publications like that. Then drive me nuts. We just don't know yet. 289 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.880 You have to remember who he's writing for. No, I get it. 290 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:02.759 He's not writing for He's writing for people that are cemented and believe, like 291 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.960 in that moneymaker's mind Vans, he's solved this, He's proven that Sasquatching understand 292 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:14.559 that, and his people believe his people people in general. It is no, 293 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:19.559 I get that believe that. So he's writing in the in the supposition 294 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.680 that the people reading this are people that already believe in him, believe in 295 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.559 the cause that they're working for, that this is a legitimately, this is 296 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:33.319 legit animal. What I would have said is we believe deer to be a 297 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:38.680 common source or primary source. We believe based upon the fact that we've found 298 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:45.440 carcasses, we've found missing organs from carcasses, we've had eyewitness reports of bigfoot 299 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:51.480 carrying deer. That's a logical way to make that argument. Hero however, 300 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:53.079 still vance at the end of the day. We go back to what you 301 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:56.920 just put in front of us. You don't have one in the garage. 302 00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:59.839 How do you know what it eats, right, right, So you have 303 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.160 remember when he's writing, he's not writing for the people like us. He's 304 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:06.720 putting it out there for people that believe people. Yeah, I understand that. 305 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.119 And you know, there's a term for that, and it's called a 306 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:15.440 false prophet. And I you know, I look, I appreciate the BFRRO 307 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.359 taking reports. I do. I appreciate the fact that there's at least a 308 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:26.759 reporting site, whether it's BS or not, at least there's a chronological reporting 309 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:32.200 site that people can go to and put whatever encounter they had onto a site. 310 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:37.039 That's cool. I appreciate that. But to turn around, and like 311 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:42.799 you said, I completely agree with you, he's preaching to his own choir 312 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.359 to state, no, this is how it is. And then yes, 313 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:49.720 they're real and this is what their hair is and this is what they do. 314 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:56.160 And it's like, come on, you don't even know the dietary consumption. 315 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:02.720 How many reports have we heard were a sasquatch only eats the entrails and 316 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:07.160 not the meat of a deer. None of this makes sense. But to 317 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.319 say, oh, well a deer is the primary protein source of a sasquatch, 318 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.960 really, well, what's the deer population in northern Alaska where there's been 319 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.920 seen up there not a whole lot. So why are you saying something like 320 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.680 that drives me crazy? Well, and again that's regional if that's the area 321 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.279 he chose as the you know the basis of his argument. But here's one 322 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:32.240 thing that I'll add to your point. Though a great database, it is 323 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.920 when you start putting out claims like that, you start putting attention that may 324 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:42.359 not be positive on the validity of the database. And what I mean by 325 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:51.480 that is, are these reports really properly vetted from a place of objectivity or 326 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:56.000 are they now done from the lens of somebody who's a diehard believer. And 327 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.480 as I talked about earlier tonight with Matt Knapp, is you know, objectivity 328 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.559 is key. You have to go in without any bias. No matter what 329 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.519 my personal experience is, if I've had sightings you know which I know, 330 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:14.200 I've had encounters, I have to take my own experiences and remove that. 331 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:18.880 So when I'm dealing with witness A, now this witness in front of me, 332 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.079 I'm looking at it with a blank canvas and a fresh perspective and a 333 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.400 clean lens. Now, after I take their story would I rely on some 334 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:33.240 of my experience to check the validity. Yes, of course doesn't make it 335 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.440 any more legitimate. It just adds another perspective to it. And at the 336 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.839 end of the day, these thousands of sighting reports are a great collection, 337 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:48.640 but until we have something of concrete proof, it's always going to be looked 338 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.480 at with some sort of skeptical lens. And honestly, when you write things 339 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.799 like that, it makes it harder for people to take that seriously opinion. 340 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:04.279 I agreed. Well, guys, guess what it's time for the news and 341 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.039 when we come back, we're gonna talk to Matt about some of the things 342 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.880 he's been up to stick around much experience, Sean Forker vans and has been 343 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.519 Henry May and Matt Arner. All right, that was a barn burner, 344 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:30.079 and we'll be right back after the big football just a simbo. Uh. 345 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:37.799 Yes, another fine edition and of the big Foot bullhorn. Uh. Let's 346 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.200 get started by doing something mine even done in a while, which is a 347 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.640 couple of big foot reports from the area. You all excited, huh, 348 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:52.200 y'all clinched and excited. Uh. This first location is h but a baseball's 349 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.119 throw from where I'm at Now. Many of you think, Oh, Vans 350 00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:03.200 lives in Chicago. Well I really don't. It's kind of Chicago general. 351 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:10.960 But I'm thirty miles west of Chicago in the Fox River Valley region. But 352 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.759 this bigfoot sighting took place in will County. Like I said, I could 353 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.839 throw baseballs into will County to this area where the sighting was observed in January 354 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:26.839 of this year. What is stated is grandkids spotted. Aren't we all grandkids? 355 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:33.480 Grandkids spotted what they saw as a bigfoot in a ditch along a tree 356 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:40.599 line in rural Custer Park, Illinois, on January twenty first, it stood 357 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:45.920 watching them. When they looked away, it moved a little ways and stopped 358 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:49.119 when they looked back at it. They got pictures of it, which I 359 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.680 cannot find any of the pictures, and they found footprints. What are the 360 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.200 pictures? Looks like a bear and we don't have bears in this area. 361 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:04.440 We have wolves other predatory animals, but now no black bears in this area. 362 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:11.480 Also noted it states her husband and grandson. But that's kind of weird. 363 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:18.559 Just say man and his grandson have heard howls and knox at night made 364 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.599 the hair on the back of the man's neck rise. Two grandkids aged ten 365 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:27.880 and twelve, were walking in the field and yes, about four or five 366 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.200 years ago the grandkids saw a bigfoot in a similar area and it scared them 367 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:40.000 pretty bad, and they heard of a sighting in Essex a few years back, 368 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:52.039 page two. First off this whoever wrote this encounter article probably did not 369 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:59.400 graduate junior high English class and certainly never attended any kind of journalism school. 370 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:06.279 But out of the state of Michigan, in Monominee County, there were coyote 371 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:11.400 hunters that had an encounter at about nine thirty at night. Is quoted as 372 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:17.319 saying we were kyote hunting and when we first sat down, my buddy says, 373 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.720 did you hear that? I said, hear what? And then he 374 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:25.039 said it sounded like a wood knock. I didn't think much of it, 375 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.640 and we went on to call for coyotes for about thirty minutes. After that 376 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.559 time, I stood up to scan the field's edge and when I scan, 377 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:42.000 I see two huge glowing eyes like yellowish bright color. I've never seen that 378 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.119 before, and it was high enough off the ground, and my first thought 379 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:52.240 was the landowner put a reflective sign on a tree, so I scoped in 380 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:57.839 on it and realized whatever it was was hiding behind the tree looking around it. 381 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:05.119 Buddy started to scope on it too. Then it proceeded to crouch down 382 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.319 low to the ground and look around the other side of the tree, and 383 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:14.240 then it disappeared for about ten seconds and then popped up about ten yards to 384 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.400 the right of where we first saw it, and it was looking around a 385 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.559 tree again. And when we scoped on it, it was clear as day. 386 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.759 As we witnessed it, it crouched down to the ground like a person, 387 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.720 and then it vanished. I've been in the woods all my life and 388 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:37.119 seeing all sorts of eyeshine, and what we saw that night was unexplainable. 389 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.839 Thanks to the BFRO for that well written article. We'll be right back. 390 00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:21.920 You're listening to the Sasquatch Experience Knockers. Thank you doctor got Knockers. 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The 398 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:30.440 statement is written in cursive van it says second anal even though I know it's 399 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:39.519 annual Forks Sasquatch Days twenty twenty three returning this Memorial Day weekend is the second 400 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:45.519 annual Forks Sasquatch Days in Forks, Washington. If you're interested in going, 401 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:52.079 it is May twenty six through the twenty eighth at the Forks Rainforest Arts Center, 402 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:59.239 which is located at thirty five North Forks Avenue, Forks, Washington, 403 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:07.079 and that is state. This year's keynote speaker event will be Animal Planets, 404 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:14.360 very own and owner of the North American Bigfoot Center. Anyone Anyone, Yes, 405 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:19.760 Cliff Berrickman. Our guest speakers is currently being finalized, but I do 406 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.320 have a heads up with the fact that Doug Hichack, who is going to 407 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:27.880 be there, and Thomas Seawood is going to be there along with a handful 408 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:35.719 of others. We will have vendor spaces available and sponsor opportunities available. Just 409 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:43.079 go to the Olympic Peninsula dot org and then you'll find Sasquatch Days for more 410 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:47.960 information and for all our friends out in Washington State. In case you were 411 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:54.719 not aware of the fact, Washington State Parks Free Admission Day is coming up 412 00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.840 on June tenth. You want to go squatching, I'll do it for free. 413 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:06.360 Thanks again for listening to this edition of The big Foot Bullhorn, and 414 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:27.159 in the meantime, keep your toes in the mud. M hmm. I 415 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.199 could see Sean talking, but I can't hear anything. Yeah. Likewise, 416 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.119 Sean, I can't hear you about that. Is that better? That's a 417 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:39.000 little better. Yes, there we go. Welcome back everybody. I'm Sean 418 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:44.199 Forker who had the mute button head had that, you know, the big 419 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:49.400 Foot Bullhorn from the big Foot Blowhard himself fans Nesbit. Thanks, thanks, 420 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.840 Matt. What have you been up to research wise? We brought you on 421 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.679 the show to talk about you now that we've gotten rid of DNA. Yeah, 422 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.159 yeah, absolutely, I'm doing some fun stuff. So I have the 423 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:07.199 research area that I'm basically working on right now. It's in north central Pennsylvania. 424 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:14.559 UM. I have a camper now that's uh on a on a permanent 425 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.920 lot there, so I can I can go there anytime I want, and 426 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.760 I've been going up and there's a couple different specific areas I've been looking at. 427 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:31.440 UM there's some BFR reports that I've seen that are close to that area. 428 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.320 M I'm also looking at different Facebook groups, whether it's a bigfoot group 429 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.159 or a hiking group, hunting group. UM. Sometimes there's some information that 430 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.079 comes out from there as well as speaking to local people up in the area 431 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:52.119 that will you know, open up and maybe say they saw something. So 432 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:58.039 I've been in this research area. The only problem that I see with it 433 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:06.199 is it's tough to do it alone. Yeah, I was up and one 434 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.960 thing I really emphasized when I try to talk to people about the outdoors and 435 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.880 about being you know, doing bigfoot research especially is being safe. So I 436 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.840 always have a game plan. I always try to make sure I have everything 437 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.039 I need and everything. However, the safety is not the issue when when 438 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:30.000 I'm going out and doing this. The one particular spot where I was, 439 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:39.280 it's fifteen miles from where I was to the Highway. So there is a 440 00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:45.679 road that the paved road that comes up through that area, but it's no 441 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.440 one drives on. It's very desolate. So from where I was, it's 442 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:58.079 fifteen miles to the town of Benezette, and about another ten to twelve miles 443 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:05.320 to Carthouse and maybe uh twelve miles to the little village of Cinemahoney, there's 444 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.519 nothing there. Yeah, So I was up there two weeks ago, and 445 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.760 normally I try to be pretty passive, but in this area it's kind of 446 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.719 hard to you. You're really gonna try to, you know, do some 447 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.800 call blasting and you know, just see if you get anything. So I 448 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:28.239 was up there and I got a vocalization returned from a call that I did. 449 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:35.800 The problem being by yourself. This was so far away and I probably 450 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:43.119 put it, and I'm a pretty good gauge of distance. It was over 451 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.920 a mile and a half, maybe two miles away, but and I knew 452 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:51.400 it was to the west. But the one thing is is the road was 453 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.159 it's hard enough to drive during the day, you know, and at night 454 00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:02.079 it's it's really not a lot of fun. So with that being said, 455 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.360 if I had a second person or I had a small group that we could 456 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:13.639 actually do almost like a triangulation where you have you know, somebody doing call 457 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.599 blasting here, you have another person you know out to the east, another 458 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.480 person out to the west, or another group you know. That way, 459 00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.199 if you do get a call returned, you can kind of you know, 460 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:29.920 regroup and and try to uh, you know, get closer to where that 461 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.760 call was coming from. So it was pretty interesting. UM. I did 462 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.360 also get which I thought was really weird, was I was getting um deep 463 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:44.119 barking or return on one of my calls, so almost like a domestic dog. 464 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:51.519 But there's no domestic dogs up there, and coyotes generally have that higher 465 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:58.920 pitch bark. The eastern coyote is a little different than the western coyote, 466 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.760 but it still does have higher Pitchmarkum, it could have been an alpha male 467 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:07.039 coyote, but you know, we were thinking, you know, it could 468 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.159 have been you know, somebody dumped a dog out there, or it could 469 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.679 have been you know, something else. Um. But it was just strange 470 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.360 that I was getting these uh these returns and that was actually from a lot 471 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:24.559 closer that was probably within within a mile from where where I was thinking my 472 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:30.559 calls. So, um, the one thing is and again I talked about 473 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:37.559 emphasized safety. I did not follow my rules on two different occasions, and 474 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.920 I one I definitely paid the price for so what I generally do, especially 475 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.119 in the springtime, Uh, ticks are everywhere, So I always treat my 476 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:52.159 clothing with permethrin. Uh. I'll give a plug to Floyers. They make 477 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.400 the best. So I had it was actually warm that weekend, so I 478 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.519 went to got a pair of you know, like hiking shorts. Camping shorts 479 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.239 were them. I didn't treat them. And when I came back on Sunday, 480 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.480 I had a tick that was right above my kneecap, right where the 481 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.119 hemline was for the shorts. And I'm like, oh my god. So 482 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:22.800 that was kind of a pain in the neck. Yeah. Yeah. And 483 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:28.360 then the other thing too, is it We'll go kind of go back to 484 00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:32.239 Matt Moneymaker. In this particular spot that I do call blasting from, it's 485 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.719 a it's a beautiful spot. There's a field and it's almost like a tundra 486 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.079 that you rarely see in the in the lower forty eight I think West Virginia 487 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:47.119 has it in Dolly Sides, but we have small areas of tundra up in 488 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:55.119 the Aquehana Plateau. This stretches at least a mile in length. Um Right 489 00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.239 next to where this little piece of tundra is, there's also power lines. 490 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.119 So I was doing my call blasting right where the power lines are. Well, 491 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.960 I'm sitting there and I hear crackle, crackle, crackle, and I 492 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.679 look up. I'm like, oh my god, I'm right underneath the power 493 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.039 lines, you know. And the one thing I think of is, if 494 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:21.880 you ever seen that that picture on Facebook, which I've seen this actually happened 495 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.960 before, is those power lines sometimes go down in winds or they just fail 496 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:34.039 and whatever's underneath them is boom, It gets gets completely fried. So were 497 00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.159 you with us out at the farm in Katawissa. I don't think so. 498 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.760 No. Less and Ray Okay and Dustin. We're up on the up on 499 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:49.159 the mountain under the power lines and it was incredibly cold, yes, and 500 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:53.280 you could hear the snap crackle and top of the electrical and it was scary 501 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:58.440 as hell. Oh it is You're you're thinking, oh, I'm gonna get 502 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.239 I'm gonna get zapped here in a minute. It was scary, But I 503 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:08.000 absolutely talking about it's an experience in itself. Absolutely, So that's kind of 504 00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:12.000 my My next thing is, uh, you know, trying not to do 505 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.280 call blasting from underneath the power line or anywhere you're the power line for all 506 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:21.039 that matter. But it was actually a pretty good spot. But as summer 507 00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.039 progresses, Um, not only do I have to worry about ticks, but 508 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:28.639 there's rattlesnakes up. There's like, that's one of the highest concentrations of ratles 509 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.400 snakes in Pennsylvania, so we got to watch out for them. Um, 510 00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.760 you know, wildlife. Hey, you know what, I've had my run 511 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:43.000 ins with bears, coyotes. You know, they really don't want to be 512 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.960 bothered by it, or if they do, it's because you have food and 513 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:52.679 you shouldn't be you know, uh bringing out your you know, double packet 514 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.440 of reass you know, like I sometimes do, but because will smell that. 515 00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.519 Yeah. So uh but anyways, UM, I have been you know, 516 00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:07.000 primarily work in this area, UM, keeping tabs of where I am 517 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:13.480 getting these calls from, UM, putting up game cameras, I'm putting up 518 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:20.760 overnight recorders. Uh now I'm I'm usually checking the recorders. I'm only putting 519 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.880 up them up for the night and then taking them the next day just in 520 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:30.000 case I get anything. If I if I put the long duration recorder out 521 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:36.039 there for two three weeks and I get something on the second day, you 522 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.719 know, it's really now. On the other hand, if I don't have 523 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:43.719 the recorder out there and something that, yeah, but at least now I 524 00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.840 can I can definitely have a time that. Okay, Hey, on on 525 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:52.440 Thursday night, you know, between eleven eight or eleven PM, and in 526 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.480 one am I heard heavy footfalls, I heard whistling, I heard you know, 527 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.199 different vocalizations. And if I can get a pattern from that, then 528 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:07.519 you know, maybe we might be able to have a different experience. At 529 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.000 that point, what long term recorders are you using? Who? Who makes 530 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:15.880 them? The ones you used? I have the Olympus I I may have 531 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:20.880 it in my bag, so let me just see which model it is. 532 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.960 I'm not quite as up on the technological end as some of my counterparts, 533 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:32.320 but oh, here we go. So I have the Olympus DM seven twenty 534 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.079 and uh, I have that right whips right here there it is. And 535 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.239 this is a really, really decent recorder. It was recommended by a researcher 536 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:51.000 from West Virginia who um you know, it does a lot of you know, 537 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:55.800 audio recordings. Um, and uh it really has worked out well. 538 00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:01.159 Uh they're a little pricey, but you know, uh that's another reason why 539 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:04.760 I want to come back every night, you know or in the morning to 540 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:09.159 get this so it doesn't walk away. And uh, but this has been 541 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:16.400 actually a fantastic device to you. So it goes long term. Um, 542 00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:20.239 you can program it so if I did want to keep it out there, 543 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:25.039 I can program it to record between the hours of ten ten pm and three 544 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:30.480 am or four am. You know usually when you're you're going to get more 545 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:37.679 vocalization activity. So um, yeah, that's been a big plus for me. 546 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.920 Doing the research, I'm looking at some of these field recorders. They 547 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:46.679 have matt zoom F three two input field recorder three hundred dollars. Yes, 548 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:53.719 and that's a that's a light one. There's some yes, there's some wowing 549 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:59.800 out a star trek, yeah exactly. And what I found too is just 550 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:05.880 one when I was doing the research on this is there are specific recorders that 551 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:12.039 people use for bird uh for bird um watching and you know, listening to 552 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:16.840 to the identity from of the birds from the songs. And they're quite expensive 553 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:22.119 but but with those I believe they can they can be times as well, 554 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:28.800 they can be hidden. Um and uh, they've been very good with uh. 555 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.000 You know when they're out there turning today. Will they work at night? 556 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.159 You know, hopefully? Yeah. I mean honestly, some of the 557 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.400 stuff is. We're in a good area, man. I don't absolutely people 558 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.920 don't unless you're from Pennsylvania. I don't think you appreciate it because you think 559 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:52.920 it's Burger Philadelphia. You don't think everything in between. And yes, you 560 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.719 talk about navigating the roads at nighttime. You and I've been out there where 561 00:48:54.719 --> 00:49:00.280 you need some sort of light to help you drive because so uh, you 562 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.159 know, you could easily get turned around, get lost in particularly in the 563 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.719 woods. When we had Gabe up in that area where we were at with 564 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:12.199 Stephen Cary. You know, it was only eight o'clock and it was black. 565 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:17.400 It was completely dark out there, and it was treacherous enough navigating those 566 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:23.239 those roads with headlights. I couldn't imagine, you know, and by myself 567 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.360 that would never happen. I don't do anything myself anymore. You're a brave 568 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:34.239 man. Yeah. Again, I really want to get you guys out there, 569 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:38.159 and I'm hoping maybe sometime, you know, as we get closer to 570 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:42.159 the fall, or even in the summertime, that that we can get a 571 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:46.639 couple of us up there and and do some research. It's a ripe area, 572 00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:52.119 man, And it's so hard to get people on the record to talk 573 00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.719 about sightings in this part of Pennsylvania. So people are conservative, they don't 574 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.280 want to talk about this, and they're hunters, and they don't want anything 575 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:00.719 to in a up to the way of life that they have. Yes, 576 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.519 so getting a sighting report is few and far between. I tinkered with the 577 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:10.679 idea of putting flyers up at the general stores in the um convenience stations up 578 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.079 those ways that I just don't know if we'd be spending more time weeding through 579 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.159 bullcrap or if we'd actually be getting some legitimate reports, you know. I 580 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.960 think with that you'd have to weed through the bullcrap to get that one golden 581 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:30.199 cord. And I've thought about the same thing where I know all the general 582 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.920 stores up there, because that's the only place you have, you know, 583 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.000 and they have gas which you gotta pay five bucks agling for, but uh, 584 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.599 you know, they have your food, they have you know, a 585 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.119 little restaurant or something there. I know, with the restaurants by the way, 586 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:51.280 you know, all the good places to go. Yeah. So uh 587 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:55.440 but anyways, with that, that's not a bad idea, you are you 588 00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.360 know, we would all get you know, the a I saw foot, 589 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.360 you know, riding on a mountain lion, you know, yeah, you're 590 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.519 going to get those. But it's gonna be that one person that that comes 591 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.400 through and says, hey, you know this is why I saw um. 592 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.800 And one of the Facebook groups, uh it was one of the hunting groups, 593 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.719 somebody came out and said that they had seen something in in my research 594 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.159 area. Um, it's on the eastern side of it. But he actually, 595 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.320 uh you know, of course he got laughed at. I sent him 596 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.320 a private message. He actually sent me the coordinates. Wow. Yeah, 597 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:38.519 yeah, on his uh we have the onyx app and which again by the 598 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:45.199 way, and uh so he was able to send me the the GPS locations. 599 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.719 He had two sidings and he said, hey, this is where the 600 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.079 first one was. This was in two thousand, you know, seventeen, 601 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.960 he said. The other one was twenty and twenty. This is where where 602 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.119 it happened. They wrote that far from each other, and he said they 603 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:05.639 were two different creatures. That's relatively recent too, Matt. That's the same 604 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.960 for our store. For our sakes, when Ray and I had got stuck 605 00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:13.639 up on Pleasant Valley Road out in the middle of nowhere, in the middle 606 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.599 of winter during a blizzard, and we had to walk miles to civilization, 607 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.679 we were actually thinking about breaking into a cabin and asking for permission later and 608 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.559 paying for any damage because we were really stuck and it was a tricky situation. 609 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.000 We needed a phone. Yeah, cell phone didn't work out that way, 610 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:35.880 you know that. We made our way out to a guy that lived. 611 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:37.639 Happened We just happened to see smoke coming out of the chimney one of 612 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:39.760 these cabins and over knocked the doors, like, what the hell you guys 613 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.440 doing out here? Yeah, And of course, you know, we explained 614 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:45.079 what we were doing out there, why we were out there, and after 615 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:50.440 a minute of him feeling us out, he shared a story with us about 616 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.239 something taking a deer that was hanging off his back porch. It stole the 617 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.159 whole deer, took the cart gone, It just took it out and he 618 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.679 could never explain as to what did it. And every year around the end 619 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:07.360 of summer, he gets like people know something's there and they get this horrible 620 00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:13.440 smell yep that occurs, and so I've wanted to get back out that way. 621 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.599 My dad ended up coming to rescue us that night, but it was 622 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.599 on old Root Forteam, you know, to tell you, you know, 623 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.039 in the general area where that was. But the sightings happen out there. 624 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:27.679 It's just funny to me that even with all the popularity big Foot's gotten, 625 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.800 people still don't want to talk about it up there. They don't, yep. 626 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:37.760 And again, I think it's more a social issue where they were free 627 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.280 because if they put something out, they're going to get laughed at. Article. 628 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:47.400 Yeah, and so they'll just keep the signs themselves. And you know, 629 00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:52.039 sometimes when they do actually come out and say something, I'll send if 630 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.800 it's on a non big Foot page, you know, if it's a hiking 631 00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.360 page, you know, one of the hunting pages, I'll send them a 632 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.360 private message and say, hey, listen, you know, I believe you 633 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.679 can you tell me a little more. And you know, usually when you 634 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.119 when you come out like that, you do get uh, you know, 635 00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:14.960 the people to open up and and tell you about their experience there. Are 636 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:22.840 so many people that have had experiences and you know, even like, you 637 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.480 know, I'll go back to my mom and I told you guys from my 638 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:30.599 last uh podcast with you guys, my mom saw a big foot, you 639 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.960 know, when I was when I was a young kid. She never reported 640 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.679 that, you know, it was just something that you know, she told 641 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.320 my dad. They went out in the car and drove out to the road. 642 00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.719 They told me I had to stay home, which to me, that 643 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:49.280 was probably one of the most traumatic experiences of my life. But um, 644 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.719 but again, you know how many people have these experiences and just don't tell 645 00:54:52.760 --> 00:55:01.039 anyone. And you know, it could be you know, not as uh. 646 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:06.239 You know, it could be more common. You know that there that 647 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.880 there is something out in the woods, and you know if people are not 648 00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:15.519 talking about it. We got a report this morning that you know, we 649 00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.599 we got to investigate. That's coming from Delaware. But still, nonetheless, 650 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.039 it's amazing how these things sometimes come in waves too, you know, And 651 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:30.199 it's been a while since we've had some decent centering reports are starting to get 652 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:31.119 them. I just wish we were getting more of them from our area. 653 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:35.639 So folks, if you live your Central PA area, get a hold of 654 00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.280 us. We'll investigate it. It's what we do. Yep, Matt, 655 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.400 You're going to be at the Small Town Monsters fastinat next week. Correct? 656 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:49.199 I am coming ash as a guest of you guys. Yes, coming is 657 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.119 going to be show. I'm excited. We always have a good time when 658 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.760 we get together, Matt. Whether we're three, you're bullshitting at conferences. 659 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.519 Um, it's what we do. Vans Henry, you guys have any questions 660 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:05.519 form Matt. I don't know that I have any questions. You know, 661 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.760 all these series of thoughts of you know, your points that you brought up 662 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:15.719 during this whole conversation. How many times have we heard that's over and over 663 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:27.400 that you have let's just say two hundred documented reports. There's probably another five 664 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:31.159 hundred that are undocumented because people just don't know what to do with it. 665 00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:37.760 They don't bother to look into an area to maybe make a report, or 666 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:42.159 they keep it personal to themselves and they share it with their close family members 667 00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:46.199 and that's it. And boy, if we had all that information on top 668 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:54.360 of what has been reported, we're talking an absolute plethora of amazing information. 669 00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:04.079 But unfortunately that doesn't happen. So and I think it's uh. You know. 670 00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:08.320 One thing I was telling Sean too is I had another police officer he 671 00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:15.719 doesn't work with me, with another agency completely. The guys were kind of 672 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:17.039 busting me about the bigfoot thing, and he came up. He was like, 673 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.400 dude, I had an experience. And we talked at length about this 674 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:30.119 experience that he had with vocalizations, the odor, you know, and he 675 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.760 was like, yeah. It was like, there's no other way to explain. 676 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:37.639 He knows coyotes, He's very well versed in the outdoors. He said 677 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:43.400 this was something that he never had any sort of dealings with before. It 678 00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:49.960 was in a very remote area of actually central Pennsylvania. And you know, 679 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:55.760 again, I think as more people bring it into the mainstream, not just 680 00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.719 from the TV shows, but even from people like us, you know, 681 00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.599 just talking to friends about it and stuff, You're going to get more people 682 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.519 coming forward saying, hey, you know, I think I saw something in 683 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.920 the woods, you know, or hey, I hadn't experienced I couldn't explain, 684 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.760 And to me personally, I don't care if it happened back in the 685 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:22.079 nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties nine. It doesn't matter because I don't think 686 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:28.039 the behavior of the creature changes much. Yes, no matter what year had 687 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:31.960 happened in. It's just the sharing of the story and the environment and the 688 00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:37.960 setting on which that experience happened in can still go to relevant research today. 689 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:43.880 I really quick, as I know we're getting close to the time. But 690 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:50.320 I did. There's two PFR ROW reports from from up in that area, 691 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:55.920 and they were both on the same road, and the road isn't a very 692 00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.960 you know, big road. One was from the nine late nineteen seventies and 693 00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:05.840 the other one was from the mid two you know, like twenty ten. 694 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:13.920 So is this creature that old or is this you know, maybe a pocket 695 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:20.119 of you know, there was a family or something there that we're talking in 696 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:23.239 a second generation, is right, and now would be a good time to 697 00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:30.639 research editor because we may get into the third generation. Yeah, So no, 698 00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:34.840 I don't think that the creature. Yeah, I don't think that the 699 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.039 creature would be that old. It's just an ongoing population that's in that area 700 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:43.880 and it just so happened to be seen in the same area. Which that's 701 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:49.199 what I mean by if you go back in time, it doesn't matter when 702 00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:53.480 those reports were issued, it's still very relevant to the research that we do 703 00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:59.280 today because the behavior of the creature isn't going to change. So what if 704 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.519 the calendar changes, but the behavior doesn't change. And that's what I find 705 01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:09.719 really fascinating and very useful for today's research. Absolutely, food, water, 706 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:15.639 shoulder, right, have it there in privacy. Right, They're gonna stay 707 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:21.400 there. Very true. Way to cap off this show. Any final thoughts 708 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:27.440 vans Henry. I don't see Henry, but my final thoughts is, you 709 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.760 know, hats off, hat tipped to you. Thanks Matt for showing up. 710 01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:36.800 We greatly appreciate it, and I'm looking forward to giving you a hearty 711 01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:39.599 handshake and a pat on the back when we do get together. Awesome, 712 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:44.960 I'm looking forward to it. That's awesome, folks. Matt Arner our good 713 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:49.679 friend Cryptic Wilderness. Find him on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, you name 714 01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.840 it. Matt's there, and you can always follow him on Sasquatch Experience because 715 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:57.079 we try to keep track on Matt's endeavors as as part of our part of 716 01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:02.360 our affiliate affiliate squad out there. I'm Sean Folk. You can find me 717 01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.519 anywhere on social media by my name at Sean Forker. You can find the 718 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.679 show everywhere by Sasquatch Experience. We're the only one. Now we talk to 719 01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:13.960 the other people and they fix their faux pas. So we are back to 720 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.719 being the only Sasquatch Experience in business vans. Where can folks find you? 721 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:22.199 Uh, you know, anybody can just do any kind of search on Van 722 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.239 snus Bit and then if something comes up. You know, Walt van snus 723 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.000 Bit robbed this certain but now that's not me. Just just go into the 724 01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:37.639 sasquatch thing. But you can find me on Facebook and on Instagram. Henry, 725 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:42.079 I don't see Henry. Just look on Facebook, Henry b May the 726 01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.480 Fourth. There he is Henry b May the Fourth, and ladies, we're 727 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.320 trying to get him a fifth. So there it is on Facebook. Henry. 728 01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:53.000 Take us out. Ye'll be good. 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