1 00:00:03,879 --> 00:00:13,039 Hey everyone on Matt and Welcome to the Good Trouble Show. With yesterday's bombshell 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:18,800 announcement of a Senate hearing on UAPs otherwise known as UFOs, we invited Stanford 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,719 professor doctor Gary Nolan to discuss these recent developments. But first do us a 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,839 solid and hit that thumbs up and subscribe a button on YouTube. You can 5 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,399 also find us on your favorite podcasting platform by searching for The Good Trouble Show 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,960 with Matt Ford. And we are also looking for Patreon supporters. If you 7 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:42,960 want to do us a serious superslid, you can become a monthly supporter for 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,479 the cost of a Starbucks. Go to www dot patreon dot com forward slash 9 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,719 the Good Trouble Show Hugh. Okay, now, so with that out of 10 00:00:52,759 --> 00:00:57,399 the way, our next guest is an immunologist, academic, business executive, 11 00:00:57,439 --> 00:01:02,320 and inventor with over forty patents. He holds the Ratchford if I'm saying that 12 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:07,599 right, and Carlotta a Harris professor endowed a chair in the Stanford University School 13 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,920 the Medicine Department of Pathology. And if that isn't enough, he is considered 14 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:19,040 one of the world's s X world's most foremost experts on unidentified anomalous phenomenon otherwise 15 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,000 known as UFOs. Please welcome doctor Gary Knowing Gary. How are you? 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,319 Oh great, nice to be here, excellent, Thanks, thanks, thanks 17 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:32,000 for coming. So just make sure we're we're all alive here. So uh 18 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,840 okay, So, as uh you know, we had a little bit of 19 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,000 a chat right before, and as I explained, a lot of our viewers 20 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:44,519 are completely or completely new to the UAP issue. Uh you know what used 21 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:48,560 to be called UFOs. So for the people that are completely new to this 22 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,599 subject, what is it? Is? It? Is it balloons in the 23 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:56,959 sky? What? What? How would you best describe this crazy topic? 24 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,760 Well, for those who are completely new, first of all, hold onto 25 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:07,439 the seat of your pants, but also do if, just for a moment, 26 00:02:07,479 --> 00:02:15,840 just reserve your commentary and the negative instinct you might have to talk about 27 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:20,280 this stuff, because you know what you're going to be seeing in the next 28 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:24,960 two weeks when the Senate calls out in this hearing, You're going to actually 29 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,800 be seeing the senators, several of them, Rubio Jilla Brand, several others. 30 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:32,719 Is actually more than a dozen that are interested in in the topic. 31 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:40,879 Basically putting the Department of Defense on the docking and asking them about the observations 32 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,240 that have been made in the last two years, asking them to provide the 33 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,199 information that's been asked around the UAP topic and all of this. And this 34 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,639 is important I think for whether newbies or those who are even slightly aware. 35 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:01,199 All of this is in place because of the National Defense Authorization Act that went 36 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,080 that was signed by Biden back in December or so, but past last summer 37 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:14,960 in Congress. Fourteen pages of that several hundred page document which basically funded the 38 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,680 United States Department of Defense, you know, all the goodies that they buy 39 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:25,240 to defend the United States. Fourteen pages of that was around UAP. Why 40 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:32,719 would the Defense Department put that much effort into fourteen pages that has all kinds 41 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:38,759 of fascinating things in it, everything from whistleblower protection. Basically they know that 42 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:45,560 there are whistleblowers who know things. We want you to provide the analysis of 43 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,919 the events and objects that have been seen and tell us whether it's real or 44 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:55,919 nothing, or you don't know enough yet. And they want to understand about 45 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:02,639 in some cases where UFOs appear to have damaged individuals medically. So I mean 46 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:08,520 it's all right there in the language. So for people who want to wonder 47 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,240 whether or not this is something that they should be paying attention to it to 48 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,879 the extent that you want to listen to the government, the government is telling 49 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:18,439 you it's something here to pay attention to exactly. And you know, and 50 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,800 I think an important point to bring up these uh And I don't even remember 51 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,279 who, if this was lou Alisando that that said this, But these laws 52 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:32,360 are not made in a vacuum. This isn't some some eager staffer that decided 53 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:39,199 to waste their senators or congressman's time and writing all of this legislation. So 54 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:44,759 clearly there is a there there you would agree, yeah, well, and 55 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:47,439 and again there's there's a backdrop to all of this. The UAP hearing didn't 56 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:54,480 just happen out of the ether. This is now subsequent to almost two years 57 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:00,519 of briefings that Congress in the Senate have had of events that have occurred either 58 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:05,240 around our nuclear aircraft carriers or around our nuclear facilities specifically, and they're focusing 59 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:11,399 on particularly US airspace and to the extent that it might be a threat to 60 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,879 US interests. And so they've collected all of this data. They have seen 61 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,800 the classified videos and briefings. In fact, one of those, one of 62 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,199 the congressmen, came out and said, well, I don't know what it 63 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,879 is, but it's clearly a technology. This was tim Perjet, right. 64 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,439 I said, look, there's there's something here. This is something worth paying 65 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:35,240 attention to. We have to pay attention to this. And so again it's 66 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:40,800 not in a vacuum. So what they're doing is they're following up, especially 67 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:46,560 with this one office ARROW, which is the which is the congressionally mandated and 68 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,000 created office. What's the stand for? Again? They changed me so often. 69 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,040 They love their acronyms. I think it's I think it's all Domain Anomaly 70 00:05:56,199 --> 00:06:00,079 Resolution Office, or maybe they've changed it. Maybe they've already changed it in 71 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,600 yeah, right, the continuing shell game. So but so ARROW, for 72 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:10,959 those who don't know, is the office that is supposed to be collecting all 73 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:16,079 of the data from across all of the military divisions, right from the Air 74 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:21,720 Force, from NATI, Army, Marines, space, etc. Being consolidated 75 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,600 in one place. And that's a good thing, right, I mean, 76 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,199 it's a good thing that this kind of data is being collected and collated and 77 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,040 not just allowed to slip out the back door somewhere. And now what they're 78 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,839 basically doing is they're at least one of the things that I understand is to 79 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:39,959 be asked is are you being funded well enough? And if you're not being 80 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:42,759 funded, who's stopping you from being funded? Because we told the Department of 81 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,800 Defense to fund you? Yeah, and so you know, are you being 82 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,439 supported in your mission? That's one of the things. But then I would 83 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:58,879 expect and a hope that Senator Gillibrand or Rubbio or others basically starts putting them 84 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:02,720 to the test of Okay, you've got let's say a hundred events. Let's 85 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,839 say fifty of them you can explain. And this is about the ratio of 86 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,800 the ones that they can explain versus what they can't explain. Fifty you can 87 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:15,240 explain and fifty you can't explain. Things doing five thousand mile an hour turns, 88 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:19,399 you know, instantaneously, etc. And what the Department of Defense has 89 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:24,079 been doing is they've been saying, well, for the ones that we can't 90 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,600 explain, we have we have no proof that they're aliens. Well, of 91 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,319 course you don't, right, they haven't landed and shake, you know, 92 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,480 said hi to you. But they're playing a different kind of game because actually, 93 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:40,240 within that unknown group, there are two buckets. One of those buckets 94 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:46,120 is we don't have enough information to say anything about it, and then the 95 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,519 other bucket is we have enough information to say something about it. We clearly 96 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:55,839 can see that it's doing things that it can't physically humans aren't capable of doing. 97 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:00,639 But they won't divide it into those two categories and say which one is, 98 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,240 which basically basically just shrouding them all and hiding them all under Well, 99 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,519 we don't know what it is because we don't have enough data. Now, 100 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,279 you'll never have enough data. I mean, that's sort of a it's a 101 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:15,199 circular argument. You'll never have enough data until you conclude that it's something. 102 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,839 But if you know that it's doing something that humans can't do, you should 103 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:26,079 be able to say that publicly, to say this is obviously a technology that 104 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:31,480 is um is going to basically change our worldview. And that's the problem, 105 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,960 isn't it that it's to change the worldview that they don't. The moment they 106 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,639 open that door a crack, the flood of questions that will come because of 107 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:46,919 that will be will drown them I've often that exact point that that you just 108 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:52,799 said. I've often wondered if that is really the driving force behind the secrecy, 109 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,200 because one, you know, one question leads to another. So the 110 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,039 minute you crack that open, as you said, it's it's it's almost hard 111 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,240 to predict, you know what what the downstream uh, second and third order 112 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,320 consequences are. So okay, So let's let's focus on this, on this 113 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,840 announcement from yesterday. So you know, so as we mentioned, UH, 114 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:18,519 it's going to be April nineteenth, Senator Kirson Joe Brand will chair and open 115 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:24,200 hearing on UAP's UFOs in the Emerging Threats and Capability Subcommittee under the Senate Armed 116 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,320 Services Committee. So, I mean, in general, this is a pretty 117 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,679 significant development, I would think. I would say for a lot of the 118 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,200 folks that watched the the UAP hearing in the House, I think a lot 119 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:43,320 of folks were fairly disappointed with with the director, Sean Kirkpatrick being in the 120 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:48,519 hot seat. UM, have you heard of any other people that are scheduled 121 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,440 to testify or do you have any information that's just going to be healed to 122 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,519 testify that I'm aware of? Um? And Uh, I mean they might 123 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,120 change between now and then, and there might be Remember the also there's not 124 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,279 only there's the public hearing, but there's also the classified briefing that's going to 125 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:09,200 go on afterwards. So it's three hours of public and then who knows how 126 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,519 many hours afterwards, and perhaps there'll be other people who'll be brought in at 127 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:16,200 that point, and you can imagine that the questions will be both more pointed 128 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:20,679 as as well as the answers should be a little bit clearer to for what's 129 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,759 going on behind the scenes, you know. But um again, remember that 130 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:33,360 the the individuals who have come forward as as the whistleblowers, and I know 131 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:37,960 a few of them, the things that they have told Congress behind the scenes 132 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:45,480 leave nobody with any doubt that there's there's something well worth investigating here and that 133 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,159 the Department of Defense has been stonewallings. So the open question is, you 134 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,480 know, I mean, people can't blame Sean Kirkpatrick if he doesn't, you 135 00:10:56,519 --> 00:11:00,720 know, open the open the kimono, as is often set around here in 136 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:05,240 sort of Don Valley, because you know, he has he has his superiors, 137 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:07,240 he has his line of authority that he has to answer to. So 138 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,919 you know, we should continue to support him as much I think as possible 139 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,720 in um in his uh, you know, in whatever efforts it is that 140 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:22,120 he's making. Do you think if obviously this is speculation until you know, 141 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:28,879 until we get there, what is your Do you think the subject of of 142 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,519 historical crash or trieval programs will be brought up at all? Or is that 143 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:39,679 what was such a hot potato? Well in, I mean, I think 144 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,480 it would be fantastic if they did. I mean, and I think anybody 145 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:50,799 in the audience who is um interested in this area is you should contact your 146 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:52,879 congress person or your senator and tell them that that's why you want to know, 147 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,480 Because I believe it or not, the senators and congress people do react 148 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,120 to their constituencies. You know. There's there's a guy, as you know 149 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:09,000 on UFO Twitter who in and just by himself, he's basically just a guy 150 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:11,679 called up the Senate staff and got them to admit what was going on. 151 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:16,960 I mean, you are that close your phone call away from your representative, 152 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:20,799 So put them on the spot, you know, but give them, you 153 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:26,600 know. I think it's also important too for the community to organize in a 154 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:31,480 way and not to send a thousand different questions from a thousand different email accounts, 155 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:37,919 but to funnel them through professional organizations. For instance, Ryan Graves Organization, 156 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:41,600 the pilot who who saw the craft way back when it was on sixty 157 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:48,799 minutes um. There's a society SCU for Scientific Investigation of UFOs with with real 158 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,039 scientists, funnel them through places like that. There's already move On. Move 159 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,200 On already has a lobbyist paid for actually by somebody I know who, and 160 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,840 they have their own act access behind the scenes, so you know, get 161 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:09,840 the louder the voices, the more will be the the support for the senators 162 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:11,840 asking those kind of questions. They don't need to say I'm interested today, 163 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:18,879 say my constituents want to know the answer. I definitely I couldn't couldn't agree 164 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:22,440 more. I mean, it's and it's something that we've from the beginning of 165 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,720 when we've we started messaging on this subject. Everybody has a role to play, 166 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,639 and in a constructive role to play. And that was another thing I 167 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:33,919 was sort of said, as well, people watch what we are up to, 168 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,559 so I think it's it's in my personal opinion, it's important that everyone 169 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:43,879 be supportive and positive. We're really living in a really pretty pretty special special 170 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,200 time. Now there's something I say that's actually quite interesting. So for those 171 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,480 in the audience who might or might not know him. Ablow, the professor 172 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:58,159 at Harvard, former chair of the Department of Astrophysics or Astronomy at at Harvard, 173 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,360 who has his own project looking for let's say, non human technology, 174 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,120 and he's been very out there on this. And so he actually wrote a 175 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:16,240 piece just yesterday on his blog about how he had gave a talk at the 176 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,879 Harvard Club and I think it was Manhattan, and how the audience was riveted. 177 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,000 You know, they didn't run screaming from the room. And these are 178 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:28,159 successful people, the Harvard Club. They all went to Harvard, and he 179 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,600 said, many of them turned around and said, I'm willing to give you 180 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:35,120 money for your for your program. I'm seeing the same thing at Stanford. 181 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,759 Yeah, I mean, the dean of the medical school calls me up and 182 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:41,440 says, okay, we got to have lunch. So why, I said, 183 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,600 Well, because I just found out about this donation that came in, 184 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,799 this huge donation that came in for you, so you know, and and 185 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:54,600 so the the interest is there, and so I think we should use that 186 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,600 with both the public, our friends and others to say, look, the 187 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:01,799 interest is there, the money is there to go after and actually do a 188 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,240 study, to either get it off the table finally and be done with it, 189 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,480 or to show that there's something here worth studying but the but the public 190 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:16,919 supports it. There are recent with the whole balloon gained Gate thing that happened. 191 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:20,360 There was it was announced that some sort of um, I don't know 192 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:24,960 if you want to call it, a task force was stood up within the 193 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:31,600 Biden administration. That was I believe is headed by our National Security Advisor Jake 194 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,799 Sullivan. What do you know about that? And does this sound like this 195 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:41,399 is something meant to compete with Arrow? Or if you were to venture to 196 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,200 guess, what would be the motivation for having a task force if we already 197 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,120 have a task force under the DoD Well I think the first part of the 198 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:56,320 task force that Biden has set up is much more um, let's say, 199 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:03,480 militarily inclined to look for objects that might be let's say from China or Russia. 200 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,279 I mean, the focus of ARROW is not to look for threats. 201 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,320 The focus of ARROW is to collect data from across the various agencies so in 202 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:18,639 some ways the setting up of the Interagency Task Force on UAP on UAP is 203 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:23,440 to complement, I think and supplement the power to reach and ask questions. 204 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:30,960 But also I think that that will also be allow them to formulate policies about 205 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:36,600 how to approach this at a higher level. Arrows not there to formulate policies, 206 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,399 So I think you have to think about it that way. But you 207 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,759 know, there's also other reasons you could imagine, and this is you know, 208 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:45,799 some of the people behind the scenes have said that, you know, 209 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:52,600 this is just a way for the executive branch to further sweep all the information 210 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:55,480 into the executive branch, give it back to the d D, and keep 211 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,519 it away from Congress. So you know, maybe there's some kind of a 212 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:04,319 game going on here that we still yet to to understand, to fully understand. 213 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,079 If you don't mind, I'd like to think it's a good thing to 214 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:12,319 be good. I do too, and I think if if anything it um 215 00:17:14,519 --> 00:17:22,359 it will it will be the most straightforward in a way, to most straightforward 216 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:30,119 method to get at the truth without interference hopefully from other players that whose interest 217 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:33,480 for you know, quite flank frankly, for a very long time has been 218 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,000 to keep the cab in the bag, so to speak. Well, I 219 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,799 mean, look at what's happened. Whistleblowers have come forward with some extraordinary stories 220 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,079 that are that would not have been possible to be brought forward two years ago, 221 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,920 because now there are laws that protect them from being you know, from 222 00:17:53,960 --> 00:18:00,559 retribution from their superiors or the contractors. That defends con tractors who supposedly are 223 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:04,319 allegedly doing some of these things. So you know, it's it's like the 224 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,920 dam is breaking right, you can you can you can see the spouts of 225 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,920 water across the dam, and you're like, you you better get out of 226 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,720 the way or be prepared to swim exact exactly right. So I'd like, 227 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:18,119 firstly, you know, we know your time with us today is short, 228 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,440 so I would like to get get to a few listener questions. Uh so 229 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:30,240 there was one here. So it has been coming in like crazy from UAP 230 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:34,440 James, to what extent have you assisted the Senate in preparation for Wednesday's UAP 231 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:40,359 hearing next week? Uh? Well, I mean I previously did write some 232 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:47,880 uh white papers, but nothing recently. Okay, So, but as I've 233 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,119 often said, if they if they need me. I'm there, but I 234 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,039 talked to a lot of the people who are more directly involved. You know, 235 00:18:55,079 --> 00:19:03,039 I have a focus myself, um more on the analysis of the data, 236 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,039 and so you know, we all have limited amount of time. So 237 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:10,279 my focus is on the setting up of a pipeline for analysis of materials. 238 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:15,279 Got it? Okay? Another another question from super crazy movie geek, I 239 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,279 love these names. Do you think we will see new compelling video evidence of 240 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,359 UAPs at the public hearing or do you think it will probably be more of 241 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,200 Well, no, it's going to be a song and dance. I wish 242 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,480 it were, but no, I don't think so. So I see if 243 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:34,599 they do, just just prepare, I mean, just you know, make 244 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,319 your bets on which direction the stock market's going to go. Copy that. 245 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:44,359 Uh, you're you're talking about a second ago. Some extraordinary stories that were 246 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:52,279 shared under the whistleblower protection stories that my understanding were shared in the classified setting 247 00:19:52,400 --> 00:20:00,000 in in DC without obviously revealing anything that that would betray any sort of confidence 248 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,720 actuality. If you were to classify these stories or this testimony under a bucket, 249 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,599 be a crash retrieval or whatever, how how would you characterize these stories? 250 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:17,799 And how do you think they were received? Crash retrieval and contact? 251 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,240 Wow, okay, all right, all right now now I'm I'm really really 252 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:27,759 a kind of in shock, but not surprised. Um, So I'm sorry, 253 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:33,200 it just kind of scrolling scrolling through here. One I was in Washington, 254 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:37,400 d c uh. I just flew back yesterday and one person that I 255 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:44,039 was speaking with that was new to the subject, somebody that works at the 256 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:49,119 State Department. Their question was why now? Why? And I understand that 257 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,920 this is speculation. Do you have any opinion as to why all of a 258 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,519 sudden if you, if you stand back and you look at just this year 259 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,279 alone, the development seemed quite signific. Again, do you have any thoughts 260 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:07,640 as to why this is happening? Well, it's it's it's frankly standard in 261 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,079 science. Basically, the data begins to build up where the current model no 262 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,799 longer can be explained by the data that you're observing. And the current model 263 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,920 is that there are no such things as ets or whatever it is that is 264 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:25,720 showing up. And yet the observations and the data are pointing to something different. 265 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,039 So, I mean, it's it's been written about. It's called the 266 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:34,799 structure of scientific revolutions, and you know, even Gandhi has a version of 267 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,440 it, which is things go along in the first place, they say no, 268 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,200 no, no, that the data comes in. Suddenly you reach this 269 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:47,839 point where it's obvious that something different is going on, and then everyone's on 270 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,640 the other side of it. Then you know, the next year and todam 271 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,440 is now obvious that such things exist. We're in that kind of cune in 272 00:21:53,640 --> 00:22:00,519 moment that where you have this this inversion and inflection where the data no longer 273 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:04,480 supports the prior model. You know, and and to the extent that the 274 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,519 Internet is important, and an extent that social media is important. People have 275 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:15,599 been sharing data and information much more readily, and so more people are aware 276 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,359 of it now, and so it's just it can't be ignored. That's what's 277 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,079 I think that's personally what's happened. But of course there's people like Lou and 278 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,640 Chris Mellen and you know, and we should thank the many staffers and others 279 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,680 behind the scenes who've been doing this. I mean they are they are unfortunately 280 00:22:33,839 --> 00:22:38,200 mostly unnamed, but they're the ones who are doing the real legwork for this. 281 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:45,920 Yeah, they for sure. I've spoken with them specifically on many occasions, 282 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:52,400 and this is not something that these folks clearly know what they are are 283 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,720 the importance of this of this particular subject. Now, if you if you 284 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:00,519 rewind back to the original or to the UAP hearing that happened in May of 285 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:07,240 last last year in the House, my impression was that the majority of the 286 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,559 lawmakers really didn't seem to be prepared or or read up on this particular subject. 287 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,519 Have you have you heard any indication that that has changed, Dessert A, 288 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,279 Yes, they are much or they are much more informed. And I 289 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:25,200 think you know it relates to your prior question about why now or what has 290 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:30,359 what has suddenly changed? And I think what has changed is that they literally 291 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,759 saw the body language of the Department of Defense officials, the generals, etc. 292 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,680 Sitting in front of them, stonewalling them, and they got mad. 293 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,960 And you know, there's there's nothing that drives, you know, human nature 294 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,920 more than being told you know no when you know that the answer should be 295 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,880 yes. And so I think that's part of what it is. I think 296 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:56,359 they're I think the politicians know that they were lied to and they've had enough 297 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,079 of it, and they're basically starting to put the squeeze on and I and 298 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,759 apparently no men in black have shown up and flashed them to tell them to 299 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:11,000 stop doing this. So it's it's pretty clear that the tables have turned. 300 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,400 Have one person just asked a question, have you heard, if or have 301 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,759 any information as to whether what doctor Sean Kirpatrick thinks of this? Does he 302 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:26,519 think that this is a non human intelligence? Does he have an opinion on 303 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:29,920 it that we have not heard about yet? You know, I've not spoken 304 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,200 to him directly, but I doubt that he would give an opinion, and 305 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,200 he shouldn't. It's not his position to come to a conclusion. It's his 306 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:41,720 position to collect the data. Do you and I? And I think that's 307 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,920 again that's a good thing because the moment you come to a conclusion, somebody 308 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,319 can easily prove that conclusion wrong and then you just then you're discredited. It's 309 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,799 better just as I pushed this idea constantly get people to believe the data, 310 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,599 because now you can talk together about something common that you agree with or agree 311 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,039 upon, that it's data and that there's something interesting going on here. What 312 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,839 it might be is still many people's guests. I kind of another interesting conversation 313 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:17,799 that I had with someone. So when we talk about disclosure or or you've 314 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:22,200 heard people talk about it in different ways, And in my personal opinion, 315 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,200 President Biden could get up in front of a podium tomorrow and say, yes, 316 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,920 this is real, half of the Americans would not believe it. They 317 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:36,440 could show a video and people would say it's it's cgi. Do you think 318 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,599 that it would take a literal show and tell of some off world technology to 319 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:45,440 be the sort of moment of ontological shock where everybody goes, oh shit, 320 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,519 this thing's real. Yes, I mean, I think that's what's really going 321 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:52,920 to be necessary. I mean, you know, proof means different things to 322 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:59,400 different classes of individuals. You know, if you have seen something yourself and 323 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:03,079 you know that it wasn't just a meteor or something, then it might be 324 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,319 an anecdote, but you don't need anybody else to convince you what you saw. 325 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:11,400 But you can't take an anecdote and hand it over to a scientist and 326 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:18,359 have them work with it. So I think that the country at large, 327 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,119 the public is looking probably at least to two groups of individuals for some sort 328 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,640 of confirmation, one of the government and then the other scientists. And so 329 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:32,599 at least my efforts and the efforts of the people that I work with have 330 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,839 been too How do we get this into the hands of scientists in ways that 331 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,000 we can apply the scientific method and basically just you know, sum it all 332 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,680 up and say yes, it's there, but also to give policymakers the political 333 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:51,559 room for them to be able to make statements that they are not going to 334 00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:55,759 be called to the mat on. So anyway, that's how I think about 335 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,200 it. I think that I think that makes makes complete sense. And one 336 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,720 of the things I've all said as well, even though I'm sort of the 337 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,000 you know, the liberal that your your mom would warn you about, I 338 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,720 think that this this particular subject really transcends party and there are people on both 339 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,079 sides of the aisle that are doing significant work on this, and we should, 340 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:19,079 regardless of your political affiliation, support support everyone that is that is, 341 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,920 you know, working to bring this out of the shadows. And uh and 342 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:32,200 as many people have said this, it is it should not be up to 343 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,519 a handful of unelikeded officials to decide whether or not we are told where we 344 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,559 are or where are whether we are told exactly where our players we are in 345 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:48,440 the exactly so if if so, these hearings that will be that will be 346 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,599 coming up, and we're going to end on end on this this question again, 347 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,799 thank you, thank you for taking time out of your data to join 348 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,240 us. What is your well, actually, I'm going to give you two 349 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:07,279 part question number one, what is your best what is your best expectation for 350 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,039 what will come out of this hearing? And secondly, where would you like 351 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:19,480 to see disclosure at let's say the end of the summer. I think in 352 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:26,799 reality you're going to see um, doctor Kirkpatrick having to be very careful what 353 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:33,480 he says. Um. I think though that what you're going to see are 354 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:41,759 more informed senators asking far more informed questions and then unfortunately won't see the classified 355 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:48,039 briefing afterwards where they will ask those questions much more Forthrightly, I don't expect 356 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:56,200 anything huge out of this. It's going to be a performance of of loyally 357 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:03,920 level uh you know, of rum and I and I can't blame doctor Kirkpatrick, 358 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,680 you know for that. Sure I would be delighted if it were otherwise. 359 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,759 Now, where are we going to be in let's say six months, 360 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:18,240 end of the summer. I do think that you're going to see some information 361 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:26,079 coming from those on the inside who have decided to step forward. I have 362 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:32,000 been hearing the exact same thing, and I have a very very high confidence 363 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,000 that that will be the case. And then I actually I'm going to ask 364 00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:38,079 you one one last question. Do you think that will change? That will 365 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,559 change things one hundred percent? Do you think that the world is ready for 366 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:48,039 this? Yes? Absolutely? I mean again, those look at the kinds 367 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,000 of responses I mean I gave. I gave a dinner talk to a group 368 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:56,640 of Silicon Valley executives here in the Bay Area about a month ago. Again, 369 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,079 riveted people afterwards were just like, I didn't realize it had come this 370 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,319 far, or all of these politicians were involved, And how can I help? 371 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,200 You know, I don't every conference science conference, biology, cancer, 372 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,720 I meannology are going to go to people come up to me afterwards and say, 373 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,480 Hey, what's going on with this? It's really cool I read about 374 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,559 it, So you know, I think, of course the world's ready. 375 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,720 And I've said this before. Most people, if if it doesn't affect whether 376 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,599 it puts bread on their table, they'll say, oh, that's interesting, 377 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:30,960 and they'll go on with their daily lives. I mean, if they're not 378 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,000 showing up in your front door and tearing up your front lawn. Why do 379 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,880 we care? I look at it for the opportunity. I mean, first 380 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,240 of all, just knowing our place in let's say, the hierarchy of intelligences 381 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:47,200 and where I doubt we're anywhere near the top. But I look at it 382 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:52,400 for opportunity. Right. If these technologies are possible, and the things that 383 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,119 they do are possible, what can we as humans learn by just observing? 384 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,079 We don't have to have them show up with the schematics to tell us how 385 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,839 to do it, right. You know, we can learn how to do 386 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,960 it ourselves because clearly they learned how to do it themselves. Right. I 387 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,279 couldn't agree more. And doctor Nolan, thank you so much for your activism 388 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:17,359 on this man. You're a hero in my book, and I have the 389 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,160 time of my life, let me tell you. And uh, but yeah, 390 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,599 thank you so much for joining us, and folks, we will be 391 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:29,319 announcing a very significant interview very soon, someone from Washington, DC. You 392 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:36,400 will definitely know with what we think will be probably a pretty significant interview, 393 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,720 sonya. So more of that to come, Doctor Nolan, thank you so 394 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,599 much for joining us, and I hope, I hope no men in black 395 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:47,240 show up at my front door today. I'm fine, I'm fine without that. 396 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:48,599 So anyway, folks, thanks for joining us, and thank you for 397 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,200 the super chat donations, and and finally, doctor Nolan, how can people 398 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:59,400 support your work and follow what you're doing on this particular topic, Well, 399 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,640 they can follow me on Twitter, and in the near future, we'll be 400 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:13,160 announcing a charitable organization that will be instituted to focus on policy development and funding 401 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,920 of scientists, and so we'll figure out a way to get the public involved. 402 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:24,640 That doesn't that looks that is appropriate? Awesome, that's great, folks. 403 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,200 Thanks for joining us. Again. If you enjoyed our show, please 404 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,680 hit that thumbs up like subscribe. 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