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Welcome to Fantasy hockey Life presented by
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information and analysis to help you win
your fantasy hockey league. Block Off has

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Here's your hosts, Jesse Sevier and Victor

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Nuno Nittasy Hockey lie back once again
to talk fantasy hockey. I am Jesse

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Severe fan Tracks, and that right
there you don't know him, is Victor

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Nuno of EP Ring Side. Victor, how you doing. I'm doing great,

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Jesse. This week was a fun
no work week for me. It

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was trying to be a no work
week, but I had a bunch of

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things that came up. But it
was fun just hanging out. And most

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of my leagues are in the playoffs
now, playoffs, playoffs. How are

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you going? We're there, I'm
good man, I'm good. Yeah.

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We're trying to get through some playoff
lineup setting. But the trade deadlines are

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pretty much done, so that's a
lot. That was a lot there for

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a little bit and we're past that
now, so that's fine. I love

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the playoff deadline, the trade deadlines, but it's just as well. It's

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just as well if people have to
move on with their lives. Yeah,

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there's a couple of leagues. Most
of the leagues that we run, the

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playoffs already started. There's you know, two week matchups, kind of the

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way it should be in our opinion. But I have a couple a few

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leagues that are still going, and
they're gonna go like the playoffs and the

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trade deadline aren't even until April late
March, which is just wild. So

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it's gonna be. It's gonna be
a little bit crazy. So it's weird

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having most of my leagues in playoff
mode and then a couple distant memory or

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distant thought way off in the future. So it's gonna be. And I

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have a couple of leagues where I
have a first round by so that's always

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fun to sit back and kind of
see. In fact, the Diesel League,

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I was lucky enough to get a
bye, and so I'm watching you

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guys all beat each other up while
I sit back, although it's not as

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fun because there aren't many moves to
be made in that move In that least

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sometimes as you sit back and you
try to grab players when they get dropped

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or whatever. Because of the rules
of that league, it's not gonna happen

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really so much. So it's not
it's I'm happy to not have to play

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this week, but it's less of
a benefit because sometimes you can grab players

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that get dropped, and that's a
huge benefit. Yeah, that's not happening

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in this one. We are.
It's brutal competition. But because you take

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the cap pits when you drop guys, you can't just be streaming away.

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You have to. It's for keeps. It's for keeps, Victor. If

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you would like to talk fantasy hockey
with people just continuing on these wonderful conversations,

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you can jump into our discord.
It's absolutely free. All you have

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to do to get in is hit
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com or catch us on the X
at fan Hockey Life at Victor Nuno twelve.

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You can get in there. You
can chat with closing in on four

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hundred crazies of fantasy hockey persuasion.
And in addition to that, if that's

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not even a enough for you and
you want even more, you could join

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the Patreon Victory tell them what they
win. Oh yeah, there's some good

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stuff. We have patron casts,
we have Patron Priority channel and the discord.

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You can do someone on one sessions. Fact, right after we record

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here, I'm doing a one on
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so we can dissect your team and
kind of strategize, do all that kind

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of stuff with some help, so
that's fun. There's also patron ranks,

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prospect ranks, and actually spoiler alert
here, we have some really big changes

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coming up. I don't know exactly
how long it's going to be, but

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within the next month or two,
we're going to completely overhaul how we do

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that, including some really cool player
cards and different ranks and visualizations. Thanks

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to our buddy Brandon and Jason who
helped out with that. So it's gonna

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be good stuff. You're gonna want
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if you're an ultra lifer, you're
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get ahead of it, you can
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And if you want to be a
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patron, so coming into next year, coming in this offseason, you want

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to get in on that. So
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slash Fantasy Hockey Life. No pressure, Brandon and Jason. We just mentioned

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it on the podcast. It's no
big deal. It's no big no pressure

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on you guys. Let's just get
it together. That's all, Victor.

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This has been good stuff. We
do have another of our posse, our

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mafia, our core group here,
the Tidy Admiral, coming up to talk

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a few Tidy trades right after the
time for another edition of Tidy Takes where

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we dig into what's happening in our
tiered dynasty, talk about some trades and

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just general value and strategy. And
to do that we have to bring in

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our Tidy Admiral, Brian. How
you doing, buddy, I'm back.

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That's right, I'm great, Victor, thanks so much for having me back.

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It's been a couple of weeks,
had a couple weeks off. I'd

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like to say that I relaxed and
I refreshed myself, but the Tidy managers

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had a bit more to say about
that for me than I perhaps would have

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liked. Yeah, the Admiral never
did job, never truly rests right.

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Yeah, the ship needs to keep
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to take a little bit of a
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from the actual act of trading,
because in the Tidy we've reached the trade

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deadline as of this past week.
It was a very busy trade deadline,

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and I'm saying it's a busy deadline. It's been a busy like two months

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since Christmas time, basically is when
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we talked a little bit about this
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know, when is it going to
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especially the people in the startup leagues
Lidstrom and Lord Stanley. This year,

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you have a couple months with the
team and you realize, oh, okay,

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this is where I'm at. Yeah
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and we are going to be pretty
busy now. On the Tidy take

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segment here, we're going to be
cranking out episodes. And here's an A

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and W Canada reference for people.
We're cranking out episodes like they're two for

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six Papa Burgers at A and W. As someone who worked there as my

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first job, let me tell you
when that promo was on, we never

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stopped and we're not going to be
stopping here let's go through. Before we

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get started here, I want to
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many trades we had since our drafts
began back in August. We've been categorizing

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these trades, collecting them, putting
them in the document, and then posting

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them in our Tidy Trades channel on
discord for people to vote on. And

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counted those up over the week here
ninety five total trades. Victor, and

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I want to put you on the
spot a little bit and just ask you.

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I know you have the numbers in
front of you, but who did

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you think would trade the most out
of our divisions? Here? We had

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those three divisions from last year,
we had Or and Gretzky and Lemieux,

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and we added Yager, Lidstrom,
Lord Stanley, Lim and Lord Stanley this

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year. Who did you think was
going to come out with the most trades

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this year? Before we even jumped
into the season, of feeling that the

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new divisions would have the fewest,
well, especially the Lidstrom because they might

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not know have a good feel for
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So I had a feeling that one
might be the longest or the fewest,

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and then the ones that had been
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or managers that had been around for
more than one year, I'd imagine they

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would have done more. But I
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a little bit lower, just because
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So I would have guessed the top
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and then the middle divisions would be
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was exactly sure the correct thing,
right, No, And I will get

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to that in a bit. But
here it is from lowest to highest,

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the by division, the amount of
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the newest division, the lowest tiered
division mostly managers who are new to this

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format, had only eight from August
until now. Next was Lemieux at nine

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or at thirteen, Gretz at twenty, Yager at twenty one, and Lord

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Stanley the top tier in the tiered
Dynasty Fantasy Hockey Life Tidy League with twenty

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three. So congratulations to Lord Stanley
on being the division that was shaken up

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the most cens our draft. Although
those of you with keen eyes may have

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noticed that our numbers in Lord Stanley
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in to manage the last place team. You may recall, Victor, we

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talked a couple weeks ago and we've
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upcoming episode featuring manager Tim who took
over one of our neglected last place teams

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in Lord Stanley, and he joined
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with eleven trades in the past give
or take five weeks. Any thoughts on

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how on how the divisions have shaken
out here, Victor, and any thoughts

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on Lord Stanley's rush to the finish
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think it makes sense in hindsight.
I would expect that the Lord Stanley managers

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know how to properly evaluate their team
than when it's time to sell, it's

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time to sell. When it's time
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I would imagine they would wait until
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florry, which is what happened.
And Tim is definitely a champ, and

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we'll talk more with and about him
later in terms of just all the moves

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he pulled, and so you love
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I'm a little surprised that the Lemieux
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Gretzky and Yager basically doubled them up, which is surprising because the managers have

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more or less been the same.
There was certainly a little bit of turnover

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even in those divisions, but I
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especially when you consider that these four
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be in Tier two, to become
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that Lemieux has the fewest total trades
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I'm not sure what that means.
Maybe sometimes it's not necessary to shake things

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up, but Gretzky is right behind
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just basically right there with Yager.
So I'm not sure that anything you can

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really drag out of that, but
it is definitely interesting. Yeah, a

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lot of the trades that we've mentioned
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feature managers from Gretzky and Yager just
from sheer volume, and a lot of

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our more active managers are in those
divisions too. Just an interesting point of

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order about Lemieux. A third of
the trades were conducted by your co host

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Jesse Severe. So even we break
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we're responsible for six of the trades
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Even then, it's interesting how that
worked out. But we're done with talking

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about the past for right now.
We'll be teasing a couple of upcoming episodes

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at the end of our segment here, but let's dive in here, Victor

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and talk about what we're going to
talk about today. And we're trying to

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mirror what our Tidy managers have been
doing. They've been busy loading up for

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the playoffs, getting these pieces that
are helpful to them as they try to

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move up in the division or move
up to another tier. You're also picking

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up veterans who maybe can really give
you that punch to get you to the

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top. You're looking for minors eligible
players you can shift up and down,

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and there's a lot of different types
of players we'll be talking about here today,

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and we'll be using some of the
trades that happened prior to the deadline

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to get into that conversation. And
the first one I want to talk about

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here, Victor, is from Tidy
Yoger, one of our more active divisions

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as we've just figured out, and
two of our more active managers from that

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division who have somehow found a way
to connect on a number of trades this

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year, some from the one I
think about specifically, and one we're not

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going to really talk about is a
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Pretty clear what each manager is going
to get from that. And I

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asked JB before we get into the
deal here, but the process of negotiating

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with Surly Bird. This is JB
and Surly Bird from tidy Yoger and why

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they keep going back to the well
and before we get onto the topic of

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the trade, I want to know
what you think about this, victor.

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JB has this to say. First, Surly Bird responds and is active,

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which is not the case for all
the managers in the league where the ying

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and yang heading in opposite directions.
He's all in terms of winning now and

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I'm looking to grab more young guys, and I think it's hard to trade

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guys like the veteran piece who will
talk about shortly and obtained full value.

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I prefer to obtain something, but
it's hard to trade when half of the

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teams are not interested in trading.
It doesn't give many options. You were

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telling me before before we started recording
here that you found yourself in a similar

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situation with another manager. Care to
elaborate. Yeah, So, in the

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League of Extraordinary Gentlemen that I'm in
that I started about five years ago,

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I've been biting my time. This
is the league that I went on keeping

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Carlson and talk to Elon's in that
league. And I started that league as

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a sort of rebuild, immedia rebuild
in a sort of three or four year

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plan. And this summer I made
a lot of trades to be a little

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bit more competitive, and I worked
my way up to right on the borderline

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of playoff contention. Eight teams make
the playoffs out of twenty. And it

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literally came down to the last game. I was fighting with JL and I

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barely snuck in, so I had
to wait until all the games were done,

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and the trade deadline was about three
hours after that. So I got

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home from my hockey game and I
got on the computer and I started sending

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out trade offers, and exactly what
JB is saying, there's some guys that

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I know will respond in some that
just won't, and or it just takes

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them a little bit more time.
And so I made four trades in forty

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minutes right before the deadline, after
I knew I made the playoffs to try

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to, you know, bolster my
team, and I had a lot of

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cap space, which is the good
thing, which is always why you want

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to leave yourself cap space and not
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I was able to make some trades
with some people that I know respond quickly

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and are reasonable in terms of your
I'm heading to the playoffs, you're rebuilding,

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why don't I give you this guy. I'm not trying to pull the

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wool over anybody's eyes, but I'm
like, here, I'll give you this

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reasonable prospect for this guy that you're
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the end of the season kind of
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get going back to the well with
people who you know are reasonable and respond

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quickly. There were a couple guys
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didn't hear anything back from and you
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a little late or they don't respond
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those players maybe a little bit better. But it just wasn't the right timing

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for them, and that's understandable.
But yeah, I totally get the going

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back to a trading partner that you
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This is why you're the expert and
I'm just the host. You made four

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trades in forty minutes. I made
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And we'll be talking about that a
bit more next week. But that's

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awesome. It's the timing of that
is really wild. Just getting to the

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end and realizing you have three hours
to remake your team in your own image.

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Wow, incredible. They weren't like
big trades. There were more depth

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trades, but still it was those
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the middle to bottom of your roster. And speaking of depth, that's exactly

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what JB has acquired here in his
deal with Surly Bird, and let's get

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into it here. JB acquired prospect
left winger Andrew Christall, prospect d Oliver

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Bonk, prospect, goalie Olivier Rodrigue, and center Joe Veleno, who has

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factored in a little bit with Detroit
this season, from Surly Bird for Ryan

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Toverberg, who is Toronto Maple Leafs
prospect who I've been following a little bit,

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and left wing veteran forward Jake Gensel, And this is who I was

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talking about teasing earlier. We have
a big deal here, Jake Gensel moving

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in real life almost likely from Pittsburgh
and moving here from Surly Bird's team to

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JB. Clearly, Gensel's the piece
of importance here, Victor, with Christall

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is the main piece of the return. You might say something about Bonk.

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I think our tidy managers voted overwhelmingly
for the Genseil side here, ninety two

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percent for the Gensel side. What
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I think it's hard to not obviously
say who the best player in this trade

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is. We know that, but
as they said, going in different directions,

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it makes sense. I think Joe
Veleno he's a guy who's below replacement

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level, but he's turned it up. I'm not sure that he really gets

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above replacement level, but I like
that bet because he's right at that two

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hundred NHL game mark. Maybe he
makes something of his career still, maybe

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he has another gear. This is
also a cautionary tale for me in the

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sense of watching guys at the World
junior who just excel and then thinking they're

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going to be great NHL r's,
which which was the case for Joveleno and

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it may still be, but he
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He's one of those guys that maybe
we'll see I like betting on guys like

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that at the end of the season, though, because you can give him

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a few months in the next year. If it's nothing, you just drop

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them. So I like that Kristall
we're going to dig into in the second

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part of the show. He is
a very strong prospect though, if you

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can stay on the weight. So
I like that. Olivia Rodrigue is not

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a goalie. I would bet on. This was like a throw in whatever.

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I get it. You look at
the depth in Edmonton and you're probably

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like, sure, he's a guy
who might get some play, and he

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might. He's like the goalie coach's
son, I believe. Yeah. I

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was gonna say, like, maybe
his dad can can get him a job,

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you know, get him a position
here with the Oilers. Who knows.

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Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure that's
the only reason they picked him in

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the first place. But anyways,
the yeah, maybe, but I really

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he's not someone that I would put
much stock into. Bonk is really interesting.

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We actually we're going to cover him
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do some game reports on him.
But he's a very strong prospect. He's

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trending up this year. He's looking
great in the OHL and I like him.

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He's got the pedigree too of his
father playing in the league, Radic

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Bonk, and yeah, I really
like him. The fact that the JB

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is getting Crystal and Bonk both really
strong prospects. Both. The weight might

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be a little long in terms of
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couple two to three years for both
of them, but there's still a pretty

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good chance. I also think even
in tidy and in other leagues, you

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have to think about not just when
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but if these are prospects that are
trending up and up, even if

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they never hit in the NHL,
that's an asset that you can move in

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a year. Right, So even
if you don't end up hanging on to

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Bank when he's on your team,
you could trade him next year, maybe

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for even more if he continues to
excel. So that's just good asset.

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Management something to think about. So
I like that I don't really know anything

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about this vert to Vergberg or however
you say his name Vergberg, but he

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doesn't look like much in the hockey
prospecting model. Yeah, he was a

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very late draft pick back when DUBIS
was still in charge. DUBIS and by

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extension Wes Clark, who is the
director of Scouting I believe is his official

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title. He's an assistant GM with
the Leafs. Still, they look for

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these guys with high compete. They
may not be the biggest, they may

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not be the fastest, but they
look for those Easton Cowen types, and

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I think to verb Berg is the
same thing. I believe you could correct

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me if I'm wrong here, but
I think to verr Berg also came out

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of that Chicago Steel program. Possibly, or I might be thinking of someone

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else, but just a very high
compete guy. Not sure if he'll translate

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some of his skills over though.
Yeah, I'm not someone who I don't

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think he's going to be much,
but maybe if he get if he plays

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when he gets some time, that
would be useful. Now, he looks

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like he went to University Connecticut and
he was in the junior Toronto, so

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he started playing in the GHL,
so maybe he's known to someone in that

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area. Anyways, that's a minor
part anyways, not really a big deal.

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Genseil is the big piece that certainly
Bird acquires. And this is also

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an interesting question. Do you worry
about acquiring a player like Genseil who's most

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likely going to be moved and might
be in a different situation. Personally,

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I don't really worry about that too
much, and I think especially it might

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depend on the player. But a
player like Genseil, I'm pretty sure he's

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going to be fine no matter where
he goes. He's a top line winger.

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But there are some players who we
think about Timo Meyer last year,

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who was getting everything and then went
to a team where he wasn't needed as

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much and it's slowed down. There
are some situations where you might worry a

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little bit about that. So would
that worry you? Right? Yeah,

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I don't think it would worry me. With Gensel, I think we've seen

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enough of a sample size of him
his career to know that he is legit

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as a top line winger. I
always think about this is actually a deal

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with a lot of famous dads.
We've got Raddick Bank and the son Oliver

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Bank. For some reason, I
thought it was Olivier. Nope, Oliver

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Bonc. We also have Jake Gensel
and his father, coach Mike Gensel,

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I believe, coached for the Golden
Gophers at various points in his career,

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so he's a coach's son. And
I'm not worried about Gensel no matter where

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he ends up. I think he
is probably going somewhere, But wherever Goensel

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ends up, I'm not really that
worried about him because I think that he

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can adapt his game to play in
any kind of scenario. He's been playing

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with Sid and with Malcolm for the
past a number of years. I think

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he will be very solid wherever he
ends up. So I'm not too worried

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about Gonsel. Yeah, I think
that, Oh my gosh, what was

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I gonna say? I've been making
the case about Goensel that he is trending

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to be the best player on that
Penguins team for a while now, but

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he's just been under those two Hall
of Famers. But that shouldn't be the

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brahmer by which he's measured, because
he's an outstanding player so even if you

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say, oh, he's the third
or fourth best player on the Penguins,

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he could be the best player on
many other teams and so that you shouldn't

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really hold that against him. And
I think he's going to be just fine.

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I wanted to circle back to Bank
though real quick. Next week we're

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going to be talking about Bunk on
the DPR Show. And in case you're

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wondering, he's doing a lot in
the OHL right now, three point one

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shots. I remember, he's a
defenseman, one point sixty five blocks,

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point three eight hits in the OHL, and he's playing on a London team

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that is doing pretty well, so
his stock is just trending up and up

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and up. So that's someone that
you want to really think about. And

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the other thing I wanted to mention
is just philosophically, this idea of should

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I trade or not? If you're
in Surly Bird's situation and you have the

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question might become is this the package
that I want? Or or sorry JB's

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side who traded away Genseil, is
this a good enough package? Would I

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rather get nothing or would I rather
get this? And I think that's a

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really interesting question because you might not
find other suitors, you might not find

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other options. And I hear this
a lot with people asking trade advice,

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and personally, I just feel if
I don't get what i'm comfortable with this

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player the value, then I'm just
not gonna do it. And especially with

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someone like Gonsel, who is clearly
going to be good next year. It's

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not like he's gonna it's not like
this is his only year and then you're

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done. Yes, his contracting situation
may be different next year, but I'm

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someone who would rather just hold firm
than accept less than I feel comfortable with.

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How do you feel about that?
Right? Yeah? Same Here.

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We're in an interesting situation in our
division in Lord Stanley. We finished right

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above the cut line for the relegation
tournament round robin, and we kept a

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lot of our stars and we didn't
really move on from them because they're still

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going to be useful to us next
year. I could see if you have

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Malkin, if you had an old
man on your team. I think we

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did move Joe Pavelski from our team
for a similar reason. I can see

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if you have one of those guys
who's maybe you know, on the decline,

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but Jakensel he's going to be a
no doubt first line winger for a

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couple more years. I think so. I think I would want to retain

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that kind of asset, and it
would have to be a great package to

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knock my socks off to get me
to move them. Yeah, me too.

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I'm not sure I would have done
it for this package. I probably

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would have just held. But I
also understand maybe it won't be You never

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know what's going to happen. It's
possible that things will get worse and you

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won't be able to get a better
package. I doubt it. I think

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at least over the summer you probably
could get something better, but who knows.

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I also don't fault JB at all
for making this trade. No,

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certainly not. And you have to
think about promotion relegation in this league.

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You have to think about other different
categories that you might not have considered.

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Perhaps we all evaluate players differently too. That's another thing I think that we

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can get into trouble with when we
have these kind of polls in the Tidy

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Trades channel or whatever is. It's
very subjective. Perhaps he've used Gensel as

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a lower quality player. Perhaps he's
really high on Kristall, We don't really

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know right, Certainly, there's a
lot of different ways to look at these

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kinds of trades, and I think
we'll be getting some more reaction from you

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here on the next deal here to
in Tidy Gretzky. And this is a

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storyline that you and I, Victor, have been following in our Tidy command

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center since this deal was completed.
And it's kind of a two party here,

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So stick with us here FHL listeners, as we take you through this

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from Tidy Gretzky. We have manager
Aaron acquiring center Sam Bennett, very solid

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player in our league, scoring multi
winger Mason Appleton, and left wing prospect

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Callan Lynde from new to the Tidy
manager Pish who manages Highway to Hellibuk also

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known as Anthony Pischentelly, great guy
who acquires from Aaron Pavel Minchikov, center

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Iszach Lindstrom and left winger Dylan Holloway. So before we get to the manager's

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thoughts on this deal, I need
to throw up right to you, Victor

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for an instant reaction. I remember
you having a pretty strong reaction to this

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deal. Care to share, Yeah, I was shocked that this return landed

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Pavelo Minchikov. This is my division, and I remember thinking, is that

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all it took to get Minchikov?
I mean, it just seemed not enough.

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I think that, even especially considering
I don't think much of Lundestrom,

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but Dylan Holloway, who could still
be something. But even by itself,

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I don't know that I would have
accepted that package for Mitchikov. So I

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was a bit surprised that it was
so low. I think that Pavel Minchikov,

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I think I've extolled his virtues.
I think he's the next to do

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everything defenceman who could absolutely be one
of the most valuable defensemen in this format

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for years to come. So I
was a bit surprised. I also am

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just someone who's pretty skeptical about Sam
Bennett. I know that they are believers

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in sort of his raid and underlying
per sixty stats, but the guy just

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never gets enough actual minutes to make
it worthwhile. In the last few years,

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he's had the most time on ice
he's ever had, and it's I

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don't know, it's still only around
five points per game, which is decent,

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but that's only like a point above
replacement levels. I don't know.

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To me, it just seemed like
an overpay or an underwhelming return for Michikov,

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however you want to think about it. Yeah, and let's not forget

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with Sam Bennett. We talked about
his big competition for that second line center

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role, Anton Lundell nipping at his
heels especially recently, so that would give

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me some pause as well. Before
we get into more of this deal and

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the second part of it, which
is just as interesting, I want to

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just share what Anthony had to say
about this deal, and I haven't been

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able to get to Aaron to respond
to my DMS curly bird as well.

408
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If you guys are out there,
accept the friend request I sent to you,

409
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:45,200
and you can have your thoughts aired
here on the Tidy takes as well.

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The full context for Anthony here is
that he took over the team fairly

411
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late into the season and was still
getting his head wrapped around the tidy scoring

412
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,720
at the time of this deal.
Not sure he's too happy with it,

413
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:57,400
even though he got a great player
here in Minchikov. So here's what Pisch

414
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has to say. The trade for
mine Chikov is one where I sent out

415
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some players in hopes of using Mitchikov
as a trade chip. I am not

416
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as high on Minchikov as many others
in the league. The first trade of

417
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two here was about getting Halloway and
Minchikov. I didn't like having two Panthers

418
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,359
centers and I wanted to move on
from Bennett. In this trade, I

419
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wanted to play around my miners that
I can move up and down for the

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rest of the year. Who would
help me hit the seventy five games per

421
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week. I've since made all the
other minor waiver moves, etc. And

422
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some trades to find such players,
and he has quite the strategic move here,

423
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:34,480
Victor acquiring Minchikov and Halloway as potential
trade chips. Does this square with

424
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how you view the deal? I
know, because if I got Minchikov,

425
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I would just be holding on him
for deal life, for ever and ever.

426
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,039
Amen, I just think he's that
good. But sure, I think

427
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that if you're lower on someone the
general strategy, I totally agree with you.

428
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,559
If you're low on someone, then
everyone else and you can get him

429
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:59,359
for really good value and then flip
him because maybe for more because you don't

430
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,640
have as much faith in them.
Then overall, I agree with this strategy

431
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,599
for sure, and I do wonder
what Aaron was thinking. We talked about

432
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Bennett, and maybe he just is
one of those Bennett truthers out there.

433
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,519
I'm not exactly sure, but I
do think it's just interesting, and Holloway

434
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,839
is someone who could still work out. I don't think Lunderstrom is even going

435
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,680
to be above replacement levels, so
I'm not really sure about that one.

436
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,440
But the other interesting caveat to this
whole thing is that Pitch and I are

437
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,480
actually against each other this week.
This matchup in tidy Gretzky, so I

438
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:34,480
may actually be living to regret some
of these takes if he ends up pulling

439
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,559
out the victory. Right now,
we're pretty close, I'm slightly ahead,

440
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:42,039
but there's a whole other week to
go, so we'll see how that works

441
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:47,720
out. But yeah, I'm like
trepidacious about what I say here because it

442
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:52,400
may come back to bite me.
Trepidacious a big word in hockey culture this

443
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,799
week, especially for Connor Bedard.
But you use it flawlessly and certainly,

444
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,680
but you don't want to give him
too much bulletin board material victors, So

445
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,880
I'll take it over from here this
dovetails our discussion perfectly towards the second deal,

446
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,920
where Pish indeed followed through on his
promise to use Minchikov as a trade

447
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,960
ship. So he sent to the
Portland Pirates in the Gretzky Division, another

448
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,960
competitor of yours, Victor. He
sent Pavel Minchikov along with Philip Karashev,

449
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,160
Nate Schmidt and prospect goalie Trey Augustine. Who I know, you're pretty high

450
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:29,480
on two Portland Pirates four And here's
the veteran package that comes back, left

451
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:34,200
wing Michael Bunting, d Ivan Provarov
and left wing right wing a Ley Tolviden.

452
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,039
Carrying the thread over from the previous
trade. Here, Pish had this

453
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:42,319
to say, I shopped Mint as
I was happy to get three players for

454
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,039
him, all producing more than four
points a game, which was about what

455
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,440
Minchikov was doing. If I don't
get promoted, I'm sure that trade will

456
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,880
be a loser for me. I
did mess up my lines a bit and

457
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,880
ended up thin at center as a
result of these two trades and had to

458
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,839
move out Bunting for a little bit
less than he was worth. And he

459
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,559
did move bunting back to the Pirate
it's for Dickinson from the Chicago Blackhawks.

460
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,640
Hatfield, who is port Portland Pirates, a repeat customer here on the Tidy

461
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,160
Takes, had this to say to
me, Minty was the only piece I

462
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,319
was willing to go hard for,
especially since the Ducks had just shipped out

463
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,880
Drysdale. Kurshev is intriguing to me
as he was getting good minutes on the

464
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,400
top line with Padard before he went
down. His numbers could rebound here with

465
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,720
a bit of regression positive regression.
He thinks that Augustine is a weird ad

466
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,839
and I'd love your thoughts on this
victor since he will be likely a few

467
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,920
years away from being a productive fantasy
asset. Goldie's being voodoo and in this

468
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,359
league in particular, the tidy prospect
goalies are tough since the goal is to

469
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,119
be up and out of the division
before they are even useful. Hatfield thinking

470
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:41,480
he will likely be in this division
for a few years, so a top

471
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,240
goalie prosseect makes a little bit more
sense than it would have. Schmidt easily

472
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,000
the worst part of the trade,
but that he is very lacking on d

473
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,680
so it's fine. For now.
There's a lot more to share here,

474
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,400
but I really want to get to
your thoughts here. Victor, our tidy

475
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,680
manager's voted this deal as a loss
for Pish he moves on from Mitchikov.

476
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,839
What do you think, Victor,
I definitely agree with them and Joel Hatfield

477
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,519
Portland Pirates. I definitely like that
side much better. Pitch said he wanted

478
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:12,559
a few players above four. Krushev
is basically right there, and especially with

479
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:18,000
Badard coming back, he's going to
be basically in that same neighborhood. Minchikov

480
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:22,920
is already there, and he gets
basically one more player that's at around that

481
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,599
threshold, maybe a little bit higher. So I guess it's like a three

482
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,720
for two. But I just think
long term, I really like Joel side

483
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:34,799
much better with the Krushev Mitchikov,
and you mentioned Augustine, I do think

484
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:41,559
that it's really interesting what they have
there because Augustine, I think, you

485
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:44,119
know, we saw him at the
World Junior. He's such a gamer.

486
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,000
He's you know, he's someone who
may not have all the skill in the

487
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,640
world, but man, he just
is He's been there, he's done that,

488
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,160
and he knows how to compete,
and I think that regardless of whether

489
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,960
he's the one or obviously they have
in Detroit the Kosa Sebastian Kosa, who's

490
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,799
been trending in a better direction,
but they're so different, I could see

491
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,759
both of them being timeshare or like
splitting the net at some point. So

492
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,960
I do that for Augustine, and
like we talked about, even if Augustine

493
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:15,880
is an Angels team producing for him, as he trends in a good direction,

494
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,319
he can be used as a positive
trade chip. So I still think

495
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,519
that's a move in the right direction. So I like that. I don't

496
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,960
care too much about Kershev, but
he's going to continue to be relevant there

497
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,839
for at least one more season because
he's under contract. But Dard is there,

498
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:35,039
the team is probably going to be
getting a little bit better as their

499
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,960
forwards mature. Maybe Nizar plays,
we'll see, But I like that general

500
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:43,680
move, and I think in general, Pish probably got a little bit more

501
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,319
middle depth in the lineup, which
is a really positive thing. I just

502
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:51,000
think he could have aimed higher for
Mitchikov. He and I briefly discussed a

503
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,079
deal, but it was too difficult
because we're in the same spot and then

504
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:57,319
we end up playing each other.
But I would have given more to acquire

505
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:00,759
mental CoV, even in the position
that I'm in, as I'm not sure

506
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,119
I'll get promoted, I would I
would give more from Mitchikov, as I've

507
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:06,319
already stated my case for that.
What about you ry? What do you

508
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,559
think? Yeah? Before I say
what I think, I just want to

509
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,799
share a little bit more about what
Joel had to say about what he gave

510
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,240
up to get Mitchikov in tolvin and
Provarov and Bunting that Tolvinen was a centerpiece

511
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,960
of the deal, a piece that
he didn't want to move, especially as

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00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,599
a rebuilding team, but that he
felt that getting Korashev and Minchikov back the

513
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,880
upside with those two players made it
worth moving on from Tolvanen on a pretty

514
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,160
stagnant Seattle Kraken offense if we're being
honest here, Provarov has been a good

515
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,400
piece this year. At points he's
the only one of the only d who

516
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,920
was able to get anything going when
Marensky was hurt. At the time of

517
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,680
this deal, Warensky was a couple
weeks away from returning from the injury,

518
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:49,279
and we were talking about it,
Joel and I and Provarov hadn't provided a

519
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,720
point since the trade at this time. He's been a little bit here and

520
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,839
there since then. And then the
last piece of Michael Bunting, Joel describes

521
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,559
this is a bit of a red
herring. And you'll remember Bunting had been

522
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:04,880
getting terrible deployment for several days.
He's found some solid ground in his line

523
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,960
with Nachus and Drury recently, but
he's been shunted around the lineup, and

524
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:12,800
he was in a similar position in
Toronto, so I can understand that he

525
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,960
did end up. Joel ended up
getting Bunting back for Dickinson just in time

526
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,000
for that line to take off.
Joel, you might be a little bit

527
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,880
omniscient here, or at least prescient
to the inner workings of Rob Brandamore's mind.

528
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,719
I think, with so many moving
pieces, Victor, I find it

529
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,159
helpful to ask myself which is the
best piece for right now and which is

530
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,880
the best piece for later. And
I think there's certainly an argument to be

531
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,760
made that Michikov is the answer to
both of those questions. And you'll recall

532
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,719
I love this kind of defenseman the
do it all guy with a bit of

533
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,880
offense. I can understand the argument
for tolvin and from Pish either way.

534
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,679
As Anthony stated, his goal was
to compete right now, there's no denying

535
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,639
that provarof tolvin In and Bunting have
been reasonably consistent veterans through the season.

536
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,679
If you're not somebone who wants to
roll the dice on the likes of a

537
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,519
Korashev or a Mitchikov and you want
a more sure thing, I think I

538
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:01,360
can understand the deal, but I
want the Minschikov's side, and I'm an

539
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,000
owner of Kurashev in several leagues.
I'm hoping he picks it up here as

540
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,920
well. Great, and that brings
us to the end of our time here,

541
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,440
Victor. And before I go,
I want to just tease a little

542
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,840
bit of what we have yet to
come in the Tidy Takes segment. We're

543
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,039
going into overdrive here. We've got
a couple over the next few weeks coming

544
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,760
your way, and the first one
will be we'll be talking about here as

545
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,920
on next week's edition of The Tidy
Takes. We will be analyzing a host

546
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,679
of trades, and by that we
will be analyzing trades by the hosts of

547
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,559
this very segment, and I've written
here pause for laughter. I'm sure everyone

548
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:42,199
is laughing. I won't give you
credit, Victor for the pun that you

549
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,800
made, which I am now saying, but it's going to be exciting.

550
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,800
I'm looking forward to it. What
do you think of the prospect of dissecting

551
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,480
all of your tidy deals right here
on the tidy takes. Well, if

552
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:57,840
I'm taking the l next week,
I guess I will know how it worked

553
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,639
out, so we'll know a little
bit about that. But yeah, I

554
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,679
think there's just a lot of fun
strategy because we're all in different positions in

555
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,360
our divisions, and we've had a
lot of different things to think about,

556
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:13,119
and so I think that'll be useful
hopefully for everyone in terms of how they

557
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,440
can use it in their leagus.
Yeah, that one's going to be a

558
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,280
bit of a rapid fire. We
got ten trades between the three of us

559
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,199
to talk about, plenty to dissect
as we put our reputations on the line

560
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,199
and try and walk the walk after
doing so much talking this year, and

561
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,199
finally, as promised several times during
this episode, we're hard at work and

562
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,800
well, what I'm going to be
calling the Timmy Cast. That's right,

563
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,239
Tim a, the manager of al
Iafratey's Broken Flow in Toddy. Lord Stanley,

564
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,000
will be joining us to discuss retooling
a neglected team on the fly and

565
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:50,400
how his check sttes eleven trades in
five weeks worked out for him. We

566
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,719
were responsible for two of those as
the BFFs. Was he able to avoid

567
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,639
relegation? We don't know right now, but we may know by then.

568
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,599
Let me just say, Victor,
you saw this photo. We've to photo

569
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:04,920
at the tidy offices of Tim's handwritten
notes dissecting all of his various moves,

570
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,360
and let me tell you you won't
want to miss this. Oh yeah,

571
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:14,039
it's a really it's gonna be a
lot of really good content and really good

572
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,320
interesting strategy thoughts. If you want
to hear how like really map out a

573
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,519
plan forward for your team, no
matter what the situation, you're gonna want

574
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:23,400
to tune into that because it's a
really interesting case, no matter how it

575
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:29,320
work works out. Yep, it's
very exciting. I'm looking forward to talking

576
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,199
with Tim and letting him have the
reins. I'm really excited to see what

577
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,280
he's come up with. He's been
telling us about the plan for this episode

578
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,320
for a month now, so it
should be a lot of fun. Thanks

579
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,519
Victor, as always for having me
on. I'm looking forward to next week

580
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,760
when you explain to all of the
FHL listeners why you have given up on

581
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,159
Thomas Bordelo, Simon Evanson, Cam
York and Matt Fay Mitchkov and why you

582
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,960
hate each of those players. Now. Thanks again, I look forward to

583
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:10,719
that. Thanks Ryan two excellent are
serious injury? When back for the X

584
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,400
gamers once again, our little featurette
of some of the guys that Victor has

585
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,760
been writing up for that wonderful website
ep Rinkside. Some of the guys we

586
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,000
want to analyze as to hit,
you know, milestones of their early careers.

587
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,199
But these are guys still on the
come up, still, guys were

588
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,000
wondering what they will turn out to
be. And the very first one of

589
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:37,320
these Victor Andrew Christall of the Washington
Capitals. A left winger. Christall,

590
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,079
it's not just the swanky champaign anymore. I think it's a champagne, right,

591
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:44,800
Isn't that what Christall is? I
only heard it for rap songs.

592
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,800
That's the only way I know what
a Christall is, but I assume that

593
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:53,280
it's very important. I love hearing
what Andrew Kristall is doing so far this

594
00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:00,440
year, and you gotta love it. But I will say I don't understand

595
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,639
why it's quite so exciting this year
compared to last year. His scoring base

596
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,119
is actually about the same as it
was last year, but the buzz is

597
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:14,039
out of control right now. The
Kelowna Rockets of the WHL is where mister

598
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:19,119
Kristall plays. He's got eighty six
points in fifty games so far. He

599
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,519
was, of course a second round
pick of the Washington Capitols last year.

600
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:28,199
Is why he gets exciting to me. However, when I see eighty six

601
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,519
points in fifty games and an amazing
stat line in the Canada Hockey League for

602
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:37,400
a Washington Capital prospect, I wake
up in a cold sweat Victor. I

603
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,599
look at twenty nineteen twenty when for
the London Nights of the OHL one hundred

604
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,880
and two points and fifty two games
four That would be Connor McMichael, who's

605
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,159
in the NHL. But is nobody's
idea of a superstar right now? So

606
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,119
I don't know if Victor Andrew Kristall
seems to be getting the buzz the helium.

607
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,000
He's the five to ten young man
nineteen years old. Is Andrew Kristall

608
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,719
okay for me to believe in?
Yeah, I think so. And I

609
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,440
think that it's funny. I thought
you were gonna ask me who that was,

610
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,280
and I actually knew who it was
just by looking at the Jesse didn't

611
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,639
put the name Connor McMichael. He
just put the stat line. But I

612
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,199
knew who that was because anyways,
I there aren't too many players at nineteen

613
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:19,800
twenty, but the London Night score
one hundred points and it was Connor McMichael.

614
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,159
Anyways, they're very different players,
I would say, and I think

615
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:27,800
Connor McMichael, to his own potential
detriment, in some ways, he's a

616
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,000
little bit too well rounded, and
so he's being asked or forced or whatever

617
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,880
you want to say, to take
the brunt a little bit more of that

618
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,760
five on five play, how to
be a little bit more too way responsible,

619
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,079
which is not something I would say
that is probably ever going to be

620
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:49,840
the case for Andrew Christal, even
if he gets to the point where he's

621
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:55,400
competent, I don't think you're ever
gonna mistake him for a Selki Trophy winner

622
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,000
or even someone who you can pin
to drive a lot to be a little

623
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:05,320
bit more responsible. That's just not
who Christall will ever be. But I

624
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,079
do think McMichael is someone who can
flourish and kind of that two way role

625
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:13,599
and can you know, help transition
the puck, help be a little bit

626
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,079
more of a stabilizing force at even
strength and doesn't need to be on that

627
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:20,719
power play though he can be quite
good and in fact, recently McMichael,

628
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,039
as much as we're talking about him, maybe not being as exciting, he's

629
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:27,480
trended up recently and had some pretty
good scoring in the last you know,

630
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,400
several weeks. So I think there's
still I know we weren't planning on talking

631
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,639
about McMichael, but you brought it
up. So I do think that he's

632
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,519
a little bit too good for his
own two versatile for his own goods like

633
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:43,079
Dawson Mercer as I wrote about recently, And if you look at some of

634
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:49,480
McMichael's even Strength contributions, he's a
net positive goals four for sixty and not

635
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:53,079
terribly negative on that Washington Capitalist team
is a little bit more even anyways,

636
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:58,719
Kristall, that's The issue with him
is that he needs to be in that

637
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,159
insulated role where he is almost a
power play specialist. I think in the

638
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,800
NHL right now for Kolowna, he's
just ridiculous and scoring almost at will.

639
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:14,760
And the funny thing is that some
of his defensive metrics are laughably poor,

640
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,239
but he has trended some of them
in a little bit more of a positive

641
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,760
direction. In twenty twenty one to
twenty two, he had some of the

642
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,239
worst defensive metrics in the WHL despite
his great scoring, and he's improved that

643
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,960
a little bit over the last couple
of years. So he just needs to

644
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,079
get to be defensively average. If
he can get to that point and not

645
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,920
a liability on the ice, then
he will get all the goal scoring.

646
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:43,360
I think he's a much Chrystal is
a much more dynamic playmaker and offensive sort

647
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,440
of wizard compared to McMichael. McMichael
was certainly more of a transition player.

648
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,960
He can skate really well, he
can get the puck into the offensive zone,

649
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,360
and he can score once in there. But he's definitely more of a

650
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:00,119
transporter transition type player that can also
leverage some of those other skills. So

651
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,960
I think it's one of those things
where Christall needs to be in an offensive

652
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,760
situation. McMichael can do it,
but he also can do other things,

653
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,920
and so that's what the team needs
from him, which was always a worry

654
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,679
when he was coming up. You're
looking at this capitalist team a few years

655
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:16,320
ago and you're thinking, who's going
to be left when McMichael gets there,

656
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,920
And now we're seeing it. It's
not so pretty. It's a little bit

657
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,800
of a skeleton crew, but they're
hanging in there. They're hanging in there

658
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,440
on the playoff race, and I
would think I would say that McMichael is

659
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,679
part of that. He's been part
of the solution, not part of the

660
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,159
problem, even though you look at
his numbers and yeah, maybe you want

661
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:35,800
more, but I think that Chrystal
has a whole lot more to offer Jesse,

662
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,159
So it's okay to be excited about
him. Okay, we got into

663
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:42,519
the McMichael comparison, but the one
that we put to Mason Black to put

664
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:46,880
out on a poll on X was
Andrew Christall versus Matthew Savoy, and wouldn't

665
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,760
you know, it came out dead
even fifty fifty. Is that the way

666
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,639
you would break this down Victor a
coin toss a pick them. I think

667
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:00,440
it's pretty funny that one hundred and
twenty six votes and came up exactly dead

668
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:07,199
even So yeah, I think it's
interesting Savoy, who's injured right now.

669
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,840
I you know, he's gone through
some ups and downs. You look at

670
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:15,360
his pnhle and it's wandered from first
line potential to just a little bit under.

671
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,840
And I think there's some questions about
Matthew Savoy's translatability, so that would

672
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,760
make me a little bit concerned about
picking his side. I'm still not one

673
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,920
hundred percent sold on Savoy transferring his
skill. Translating his skill to the NHL

674
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,679
has a smaller forward No Zach Benson, who we saw do that immediately,

675
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:38,519
and he did have that stagnant D
plus one season and then increased it in

676
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:42,599
D plus two. For Savoy,
so he's been up and down. As

677
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,840
I mentioned Christal, even though he's
trended slightly down this year, he still

678
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,119
has a super high equivalent seat.
And I think that if he can just

679
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,239
like I said, if he can
just get that defense to average, his

680
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,519
skill set at least on the power
play is super translatable. He's someone who

681
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,480
demands top power play time if he's
in the NHL, But maybe he's a

682
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:04,320
second or third liner and not a
top liner. The rest of his game

683
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,440
is going to dictate where he can
be, and it probably depends on who

684
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,880
they pair him with. So maybe
he'll pair with one of their really good

685
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,239
prospects, maybe a Ryan Leonard,
who knows, and we'll see how that

686
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,639
goes for him. But I between
these two, I think I do think

687
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:21,639
it's close. I don't think it's
unreasonable at all that the pole was tied,

688
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:27,360
But I would lean Christall just because
I have more questions about the way

689
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,480
that Savoy is going to translate at
all strengths and whether his offense will will

690
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,840
translate, So I would just lean
a little bit more towards Kristall. But

691
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,159
both of these players have a lot
of questions to figure out, and that

692
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,239
would make me a little bit concerned
about having either of them on my team.

693
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,599
All Right, we got a few
guys, so we got to keep

694
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,239
them rolling. Next up, we
got Riley Height of the Minnesota Wild,

695
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,760
also a second round drafty last year. Cene left winger five eleven, who

696
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,960
is playing for the Prince. George
Cougars up in the WHL and also really

697
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,599
scoring like crazy ninety five points and
fifty four games. His fourth year on

698
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:04,719
the dub he keeps creeping up the
charts. The team composition is similar to

699
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,559
the prior year in Prince George,
although Zach Funk, who we've talked about

700
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:13,239
a little on the show, has
passed him on scoring for Prince George.

701
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:16,119
The draft eligible Zach Funk, I
believe Cowhen Zimmer has been hurt for the

702
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:20,280
past three months too, so actually
the talent has probably thinned out on that

703
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,320
team a bit, but the team
has been more successful from second to first

704
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,880
in their division of the WHL.
I have read a little bit around about

705
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,000
Height and it seemed to suggest that
his expected upside is a middle sixer.

706
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,079
But what do you think of Height's
future potential? Is that a decent assessment

707
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:43,679
of him or is there maybe even
more there? I think there's possibly more

708
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,800
there. I think he's one of
the more polarizing players I would say in

709
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,760
terms of how to project him,
I think you can't deny the production and

710
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,840
what he's done. I think he
has first line upside. The question is

711
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,360
just whether can he get there,
and that regardless of the draft position.

712
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:05,559
One of the guys that I really
trust their evaluation is our hYP hearing site

713
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:08,000
of colleague Daniel Gee. I've always
liked the things that he said, and

714
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,559
I've asked him about a lot of
different players, and one thing I appreciate

715
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:14,920
about him is sometimes, even if
it's a WHL player, he'll tell me

716
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,760
I've only watched him a few times. I don't really know, but Riley

717
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,079
Height plays in his backyard and he's
seen him. I forget the number he

718
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:23,679
told me, but many times.
So he had a lot to say about

719
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,239
Height, and I'm just going to
read to you what he said because I

720
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,880
think it's really insightful. So this
is from Daniel Gee. This season,

721
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,199
Height's game has taken a step.
He uses his outside edges more in transition

722
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,920
to create advantages. He's a primary
penalty killer for Prince George the Cougars and

723
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:42,039
scores more five on five. He's
more engaged off the puck, supports his

724
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:45,400
defenders better, and faces shutdown qualities
every game. Something to remember is that

725
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,440
Height has always been a top line
player in the WHL his whole junior career.

726
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:52,719
This is the first season where he's
playing against peers of his same age.

727
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,920
Height may have issues translating to the
NHL game, but it's clear that

728
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,480
some work has been done to improve
his overall game. He probably won't play

729
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,000
center at the NHL level, but
he should be able to flex offensively off

730
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,599
the wing, especially with sustained pressure
in the offensive zone. If he's unable

731
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,639
to sustain a career in Minnesota's top
six, specialization may need to happen.

732
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,960
Developing the role of a skilled pest
like player who can contribute on special teams

733
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,119
would be a fine career for the
second round pick. So that's what Daniel

734
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,159
had to say. I think the
note there, the off puck and the

735
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:30,119
engagement that was criticized a little bit
about height in the draft discussion, and

736
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,639
the fact that can he round out
the rest of his game, and it

737
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:36,199
seems like it's working in As you
mentioned, I think a little less to

738
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,840
work with this year. So sometimes
you look at the dipping points and you

739
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,559
say it was there a reason.
Not having some of the talented teammates around

740
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,519
him is going to make a difference. So yeah, those are my initial

741
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:50,880
thoughts on Height. Jesse and Mason
Black. The NHL ranking put up a

742
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,119
pull on x Riley Height versus Gavin
Brindley, and Height comes out ahead fifty

743
00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:01,480
three point eight to forty six point
to Victor over Brindley. Yeah, in

744
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:07,079
short, I would say yes,
I do think that I would lead Height

745
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:12,559
in this comparison. They were.
Brinley was taken a bit earlier thirty fourth

746
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:16,599
overall just last year, so might
have the draft pedigree. And I do

747
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,360
really like Gavin Brindley. We saw
him at the World Juniors and he was

748
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,039
awesome. He and Hiszzar basically were
at times the top line for the Americans.

749
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,159
And even though he's a smaller player, he doesn't really look like it

750
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:32,280
out there. He's just such a
feisty player, high motor. But he

751
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,079
has a lot of skill too.
He made some really strong skill plays that

752
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,599
weren't just strong for checking. So
I really like that about Brinley. But

753
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:45,320
I just think that the scoring with
height and the offensive acumen is just undeniable,

754
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,800
and I like them the maturity and
what he's improved in his game so

755
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,360
far this year. If you look
at hockey prospecting, has almost double the

756
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,360
star potential as Brinley, even though
they're both on the rise, which is

757
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,760
really hard to do in your draft
plus once he and then Mason Black's PNHL

758
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,440
E Height is dwarfing to some extent, or at least he's trending up.

759
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,960
They're both trending up, actually really
well, maybe Brindley a little bit sharper,

760
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:14,760
So I really would be happy with
both these guys. But I think

761
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,880
that Height probably has a better profile
as a high end scorer compared to Britanley,

762
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,800
who might be more of a grinder
third line who contributes some offense here

763
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,559
and there. But both these guys
are our front guys are root for,

764
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,159
and I think that you'd probably be
happy with either of them on your team

765
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:35,639
as a not for sure, but
the guys that are trending in the right

766
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:39,920
direction. Let's move over to Philadelphia. Per guy you wrote up about a

767
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,760
month ago for ep Rinks side Owen, Tippett and tip it feels like one

768
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,519
of those guys who took a while, but his feet are firmly on the

769
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:53,320
ground now mid fifties points based guy
an emphasis on the goals over assists pretty

770
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,880
much all the time in the NHL, which, hey, if I can

771
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,800
only have one or the other,
thirty one of his thirty five points are

772
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,199
He's not juicing it up on secondary
says, that's for sure to cam Atkinson

773
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,679
look same Jersey even sometimes maybe peaking
at sixty points someday with more goals than

774
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:14,199
assists. He's already twenty five.
Owen Tippett debuted in the NHL in twenty

775
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,599
seventeen eighteen. He debuted when the
Sedines were still playing and Phil Kessel was

776
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:22,039
a top ten scorer. Now,
Mija, that was one of those rookie

777
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,039
appearances, and then he disappeared for
a couple more years back in the minors.

778
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,719
But just to point out that even
though we still think of Tippett probably

779
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,880
as a pretty young guy because he's
just establishing himself, he's been around a

780
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,119
while, getting very nice deployment in
Philadelphia. I got a little with or

781
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:42,119
without you chart that shows he does
a pretty good job improving the offense of

782
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,119
teammates when he is on the ice
with them. What we're seeing right now

783
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:51,679
this fifties point pace Tippet. Is
this peak Tippet or is this empty calories

784
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,039
that Tippet's getting on an under talented
team in Philadelphia where he's just taken on

785
00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:00,320
a bigger role. That is the
crux of the article. That I dig

786
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,840
into. That is a really difficult
question. And I actually wrote that before

787
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:10,079
he got extended, and I am
a little skeptical about that extension providing positive

788
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:13,360
value. I think he's a really
good player, and I think he has

789
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,000
shown that he can do one of
the hardest things to do in the NHL,

790
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,239
and that is score goals. So
you love to see that. I

791
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,360
think that the Flyers were brilliant in
making that move, because you know,

792
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,239
go roll back the archives. I
remember we talked about Tippett back when he

793
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,519
was a prospect and I was pretty
high on him, and then even when

794
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:37,239
he was in Florida, thinking if
he could just get more exposure to Barkhov

795
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,199
in the top six, I think
he can score more because his rate stats

796
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:44,800
were always really good, but he
was not getting the opportunity, and lo

797
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,239
and behold, he finally gets a
little bit more time on ice than he

798
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,599
does really, so I'm not super
surprised by that. Is six point two

799
00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:55,559
million the right amount for a player
who you know, how much is he

800
00:52:55,599 --> 00:53:00,480
going to score? Is the question, because if you're talking about a forty

801
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,880
goal scorer, then six million is
great. If you're talking about a twenty

802
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,519
five goal scorer, then maybe it's
not so exciting. Right now, he's

803
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,960
on pace to get closer to thirty
and so that's pretty decent. But in

804
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:15,920
terms of the overall impact, what
else does he do, I'm just not

805
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,639
sure about that. And that's the
thing is that he right right now he's

806
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:24,039
on a fifty four point pace,
which is what he was on last year's

807
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,159
They've tried to play him a little
bit more, but some of his other

808
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,400
metrics don't really align when you play
him more, and that's that's part of

809
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,639
my concern is can he be a
twenty minute a night kind of player,

810
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,239
And I'm not sure that's the case, even though his rate numbers are good,

811
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,400
But just giving someone more time on
ice doesn't necessarily mean it's going to

812
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,039
translate to being more productive because you're
going to have tougher matchups and all that.

813
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,960
So I'm a little bit skeptical about
that. I love what Russ Coen

814
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,800
said about him in the article is
that when all he has to do is

815
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,440
just get in the right position and
shoot, he's fine. But sometimes when

816
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,320
he's out there too much and he
has to think too much and he's not

817
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,159
with the right centerman, he can
get a little confused about what he needs

818
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,239
to do, so I still have
faith that he can figure it out.

819
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,000
I'm just not sure that he can
be like a forty goal scorer. I

820
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:19,039
think that he's probably more in that
thirty thirty line, which is still positive.

821
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,480
But it's like you have to view
him through the appropriate lens on your

822
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:28,480
team. And I would just caution
to not get too excited about Tippett because

823
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:32,840
I'm not sure that he's someone who
can consistently be seventy points or more.

824
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,199
So that's my little caution with him, and I dig into it a little

825
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,440
bit more in the article, Jesse, don't think Nuki'll just hurt the team.

826
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,199
Owen Tippett up against Jared McCann in
the head to head with Mason Black

827
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,840
the NHL rank king and this was
a shocker to me. Victor seventy point

828
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,880
nine percent on the Owen Tippet train
over Jared McCann. Boy, that's not

829
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,400
how I would see it, But
I might still be irrational a little bit

830
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,840
about McCann from some of the advanced
metrics he's put up over the years.

831
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,360
Is this the same way you rank
him tip it over McCann. No,

832
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,559
way, I was surprised by this
as much as you were, like,

833
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:14,679
not even close. It's totally in
the Tippitt camp by a landslide, and

834
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,920
I definitely would favor McCann here,
and I'm surprised it's not even close.

835
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,400
If it were close, I would
say, Okay, I understand. Maybe

836
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,599
it's just the kind of thing where
it's a little bit of who's exciting right

837
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:29,719
now and Tippet he is showing more
promise right now. He's a little bit

838
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,679
more exciting but still an exciting sort
of breakout. Tippet is a fifty three

839
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,039
point player? Is that really all
that exciting? And a Can has been

840
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:43,159
that for a few years and he's
broken sixty seventy point pace even with the

841
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:46,239
same amount of time on ice.
I will say, I'm as frustrated as

842
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:51,440
anyone that Seattle does this sort of
even deployment of their lines. And so

843
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,440
McCann I think deserves a lot more
time on ice because I think he is

844
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,320
a top line winger. But the
fact is that he's still producing even with

845
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,639
this amount of time on ice,
and he's he's hit the forty goal mark.

846
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,360
Can you do it again? I
don't know. We'll see it.

847
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,199
He did shoot a little high last
season when he got to forty, but

848
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,000
he's shown that he can do it
and he's only twenty sevens. I'm not

849
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:13,480
sure that is Tippitt even going to
get to that same point. I'm a

850
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:16,320
little skeptical. So I definitely like
McCann. Not only that, but it's

851
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,639
really funny. I looked at these
Mason has these great spider grass If you've

852
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,079
never looked at this in the app, it's really cool. It shows you

853
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:28,599
all the contributions in terms of percentile
in all the different categories. And these

854
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:32,239
two are like a mirror image of
each other almost because because Tippitt actually blocks

855
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:37,360
a fair amount and hits a fair
amount, whereas whereas McCann has a lot

856
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,400
more assists and power play points and
a little bit more in pims. So's

857
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,760
they have multi category benefit, but
in different ways. It might depend on

858
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,039
your league which one could be more
valuable. So you just have to kind

859
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:52,519
of think about that. But I
would have a hard time Jesse voting against

860
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:57,719
Tippett or voting against McCann just because
he's been there, he's done that,

861
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,400
and even though Tippet is on the
rise, I'm not sure he gets even

862
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,800
to the same level war McCann is
and has done for the last couple of

863
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,719
seasons. Yeah, it's mind blown
to me. But then Tippets, it's

864
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,480
a attractive fantasy profile. You get
the hits, you get the shots,

865
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,440
you get the goals, even if
it's not coming entirely with the points,

866
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,880
and I can get it. But
Victor one. Two last players to talk

867
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,639
about, but we'll start it with
Colin Graff. You wrote about him in

868
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:30,440
EP Ringkside. Second straight year for
a player on this last year's champion team

869
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:34,719
to score point and a half per
game and yet still go undrafted. A

870
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,000
twenty one Quinnipiac University's Colin Graft.
He easily the leading scorer on that national

871
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:44,440
championship team. He's not small,
Victor, I don't get it. Now

872
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,119
we have to wait for him to
be a college free agent, Graft to

873
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:51,119
figure out where he will be in
the NHL. This is one of those

874
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:54,079
Victor where you have to tell me, what is the reason why this guy,

875
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:59,760
even though he seems to be producing
like crazy for a national champion college

876
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,559
team, can't get himself an NHL
gig. I wish I knew the answer

877
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,880
to that. I asked a lot
of people that question, and there were

878
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:14,599
a lot of confused responses too.
He has absurd numbers. I don't understand

879
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,320
how you don't at least take a
chance on someone who scored fifty nine points

880
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,239
in forty one games last season,
led his team to the national championship,

881
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,480
was good in clutch moments. Like
you said, he's not small. He's

882
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:29,440
six one hundred and ninety four pounds, so he's not tiny. He skates

883
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,199
well, he's competitive, he was
hard to knock off the puck. Maybe

884
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,360
yeah, he's maybe not the most
dynamic player. I think both of these

885
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,599
guys that we're going to talk about, graf and and Lipkin, who's in

886
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:45,719
the poll, they're both more product
of their environment than other people, just

887
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,960
because that team is so good.
They're older, they're coach really well,

888
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,400
they play a really strong system that
creates opportunities, and they're strong defensively so

889
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,280
they create turnovers. But still you
watch him play and you're like, yeah,

890
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,840
that seems like he could. He's
probably not a top liner or even

891
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,639
a top sixer, but he certainly
looks like he could be a middle sixer,

892
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:07,920
and he could provide twenty goals,
maybe fifteen twenty goals in the NHL

893
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:13,039
at least. So I was confused
and surprised. This says everybody, and

894
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:15,199
I talked to a lot of people
asked that question, and they were like,

895
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:17,039
I don't really know. It seems
like he should get a chance at

896
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:20,719
this point. He's gone to the
draft too many times to be drafted,

897
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,280
but he can be signed as a
free agent, so I'm sure teams are

898
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,039
going to line up to sign him. And that's probably the calculus that a

899
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:29,119
lot of them made, is that
I don't want to waste a draft pick

900
00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:30,840
on this guy. I'll just sign
him next year, meaning this year.

901
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,880
So that's probably what's going to happen. But yeah, I think you got

902
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,639
to take a chance in terms of
what to expect in your dynasty league.

903
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,039
Plaid it out in the article,
But I think he's someone in a deep

904
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:44,599
enough league, like I'm in a
twenty team, fifty man roster, he

905
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:47,239
should absolutely be rostered in that league. If you can take someone who hasn't

906
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,760
been drafted or hasn't been signed by
a team, or you wait until he's

907
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,000
signed this summer and you add him, he should definitely be on a team.

908
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:58,639
If your league is that deep.
But I wouldn't expect him to be

909
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,760
one of your most exciting prospers.
Even though he's putting up gaudy numbers even

910
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,440
this season forty two points in twenty
six games, I don't think he's really

911
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,719
going to do that. He's probably
going to be more of a forty maybe

912
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:14,440
fifty point player in the NHL.
So temper your expectations in terms of translating

913
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,639
to the NHL. But he absolutely
should be on people's radar, and it

914
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:22,320
should be rostered in deep formats.
If it's like a twelve or fourteen team

915
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,440
league. Maybe not, It depends
on how deep it is. But yeah,

916
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:28,840
I think everyone's just as confused as
you are, Jesse. No one

917
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,400
really had any good answers as to
why. I think teams are just playing

918
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:36,119
chicken with each other and saying we'll
just sign him next year. Yeah.

919
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:38,159
That's the thing is that for certain
boy, you can't be drafted anymore.

920
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,000
And I suppose if you get him
in the last year that you can't be

921
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,679
drafted. He might be like,
look, I'm winning national championships here and

922
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,800
I'm not necessarily going to sign your
team, So we'll just see how it

923
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,960
turns out anyway. Colin Grapp versus
Sam Lipkin. You mentioned in Victor,

924
01:00:52,119 --> 01:01:00,559
the other pride of Quinnipiac University,
the defending NCAA champions, and Mason Black

925
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:02,159
put him up in a pole just
to see what would happen. Lipkin at

926
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:07,480
least got drafted at one point,
but Graf wins decisively just to see does

927
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:12,280
in the scoring category seventy basically seventy
one to twenty nine is how it broke

928
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,280
down, But not too many votes
on this one. Is Graf over Lipkin?

929
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:22,679
An accurate summary of the result here
Victor. Yeah, it's interesting,

930
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,480
probably, but I think it's funny
because Mason put up that poll. No

931
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,639
one was voting because no one knew
what to say, and then he posted

932
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:34,800
a little explainer because it's not The
equivalencies weren't in the app but he did

933
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,119
have some backdoor ability to add them, and he showed some graphs of their

934
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:43,880
potential, and graph has a little
bit higher potential even than Lipkin. But

935
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,599
Lickman was drafted. He was drafted
by the Codies in twenty twenty one in

936
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:51,519
the seventh round, so basically like
the second to last pick possible, like

937
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:54,679
almost mister revelevant, and he's also
got good size six two h and ninety

938
01:01:54,679 --> 01:02:00,079
two pounds. Maybe a slight difference
is that maybe they took a little a

939
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,559
chance on him because maybe they thought
that he had a little bit more to

940
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:09,000
offer. He was drafted when he
was in the USHL, and I don't

941
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:13,159
know that he was committed to Quinnipiac. As you mentioned, sometimes teams are

942
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:19,199
a little bit reluctant to sign players
that are in college or going to college

943
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,760
because they worry that their rights are
going to expire and then they get nothing

944
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,119
for him. So I guess the
fact that the Coyotes have the rights to

945
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:30,239
him and maybe they'll give him a
little bit more opportunity is interesting. But

946
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,360
if you just look at side by
side their production, there's no question that

947
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:39,079
Graf has more production in the same
or similar role as Lipkin. So I

948
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:42,800
think you have to lean that way
if you were choosing between these two.

949
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,559
Although it's interesting you look at Hockey
prospecting and graph is not in there,

950
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:50,960
but Lipkin is, and he just
looks like a flat zero percent chance of

951
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,840
being a star. So that's a
little bit, you know, humbling or

952
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:58,199
bringing you back down to earth.
So to speak. So I think that

953
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,840
I still would choose Grap a lot
of leagues. You probably can't add him

954
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:07,400
right now, and as Graf if
you're wondering, but when he is able,

955
01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:09,000
if either of these guys can be
added in your league, I would

956
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,079
definitely add him. And I'm in
a few leagues that are deep enough and

957
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:16,440
can add already. Draft are players
that have been passed over in the draft,

958
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,159
and so they're already rostered in those
kinds of leagues, and he should

959
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:22,239
be, and both of them should
be. But if I had to choose,

960
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:27,039
I would take Craft as well.
Jesse tremendous Victor. That is the

961
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,559
run through of the prospects we have
to talk about today, and right after

962
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:45,239
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Yeah, ends in April. You
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971
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:26,880
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972
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:30,559
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979
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980
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,440
Let me tell you what, folks, I was kidding them a little

981
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,000
bit earlier in the episode, and
then Victor showed me some of the stuff

982
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:18,000
that they're coming up with right now, and it's doggone crazy. The visualizations.

983
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,960
You can see what's going on with
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984
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:28,840
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985
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,719
So keep a lookout for that.
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986
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,280
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995
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