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or more. Hello Bobo, how you doing today? All right, what's
going on? Cliff? Did this man Q and a day? But I
spent the day out in the woods. That was kind of neat um,
nothing big footy. But my friend of mine found really big mountain lion tracks
in the snow. So I went out there and we were practicing snow casting
today. Oh you do, because you send me some photos. I was
looking at my phone. Okay, so that was like, wha actually put
on? That wasn't blood, No, that wasn't blood. No. For
once, I didn't use any blood in my cast. No, for once,
I thought you were a cast like a bloody mountain lion print or something.
Oh, that would be way cooler. I shouldn't have told you.
You could have lived in this illusion. That's way cooler than the actual reality.
No. Yeah, Apparently the brand of snow wax forensic snow wax that
I bought that's on Amazon for like eighteen bucks or something, is that they
put pigment in it so you can see the footprints on the snow. Yeah,
it is smart. I was impressed with that. Yeah. We gave
that a shot today, cast about ten of them, and I had to
come home to do the podcast here because it's kind of a surprise podcast today
in a way, just because we had some scheduling stuff going on. But
uh, yeah, So I'm looking forward to see how those turned out,
because I don't get a lot of opportunity to cast in the snow because I
don't like snow. Right, How how do they turn out? Did you
see him? They done pulled out the ground yet, I don't know,
We'll see, we'll see. I played around with one a little bit when
it was a little bit too green, frankly, and so I felt it
kind of crack. I said, Oh, this isn't quite done yet,
so I'm gonna wait. But we got ten of them in various conditions and
even did a test run on one with no snow wax whatsoever, just to
see what that would turn out like. Cool. Yeah, because it was
pretty shallow snow. I mean there's about six or eight inches on the ground
here, which is weird because Portland and Gresham Is I think got like twelve
or fourteen inches. We got less than native for some reason. But it'll
be interesting because there's the snow wasn't very thick as mostly on ice. And
I'll tell you, man, it was a big mountain lion. Cool y.
We followed it for a while, but we realized, may maybe this
isn't do Do you follow a mountain lion? I don't know. Maybe do
maybe don't. I think we had a record snow here in the last day
and a half on the coast, right. Yeah, it down blasts.
I mean like we went up to Trinidad and we were the only people walking
around. Like we went to Trinidad Head and Patrick's Flint State Parkers. I
do a little walking around hiking, and we didn't see anyone. I was
like, it's just killer. Others like the surface pumping huge. It was
windy, like, there was sleet and snow coming down hail sideways. It
was awesome. Well that's pretty neat, man, that's pretty neat. I'd
be down there actually at the dinner next month. Oh you are, yeah,
passing through I think, uh, Melissa, are going to take a
few days to drive down. But a really good friend of mine died unfortunately.
Oh right, yeah, Tumbleweed. He died, so his services on
the first of April and Sebasti Pole. So we're gonna be headed down there,
and we're gonna take like maybe two or three days to get down there
and just you know, take a little bit time for ourselves because too often
if I'm out of town, it's for work, you know, and even
if Melissa is with me, which I prefer um we have, there's no
time to really do anything. So we're looking at maybe staying up at Klamaths
one night, or we looked at those the Elk cabins at the Redwoods.
I'm not sure about that one because a little bit expensive, but we'll see.
Oh menal cabins there, that's the best place you can say we might
have a counter right where you're staying. Yeah, were we stayed there with
the Animal Planet people? Yeah, yeah, that was good times. But
Q and A Day already it's my favorite podcast of the month. Not that
I don't enjoy the other ones, of course, but I enjoy these because
we don't know what's coming. It's easy scheduling. It is easy scheduling.
It's hard enough with both of our schedules, but when a guest is involved,
it becomes more complicated. Yeah, we're gonna que up the Q and
A. You got a lot of voicemails? Are gonna last time? I
have a lot of written ones. This time it's gonna be all voicemails,
Q the Q and A. That's que to the second power plus A.
Yeah, all right, Cliff, take the first one. All right,
here we go. Here's the first voicemail. Let's hear it. Hey,
Cliff from Bobo. This is Tim Winter from North Carolina. Got an interesting
either proposal or question. Since Bobo has several death reports, it might be
good to see if you could get Paul McCartney on with you to share your
experience about these fake I Am Dead reports. Anyhow, I think that would
be cool if you could get him to be on your show, Keep It
Squatchy. But would you have any connections to the Beatles at all? Can
we make that happen a little bit? I know Sean Lennon's a fan and
Yoko they're fans. Yeah, I used to watch the show, No kidding.
How'd you find that out? Because my buddy plays guitar for the Sean
Lennon band. Oh okay, well there's a connection, I guess. Yeah.
I guess Sean Lennon would know Paul McCartney. So I guess that'd be
one because Sea Hags plays guitar with them, So I call Sea Hagan's only
two degrees away. Yeah, that's not that bad. I was thinking the
only way, Like I have a jam set. I go to a jam
session where sometimes Michael Jackson's guitar player shows up, and I bet you she
knows Paul McCartney has played with the Missing I don't know that. That seems
like a long shot to me, So mister Winner, Tim Tim Winner here.
I think it's a long shot, though I don't know. I there's
something we can do with that. Well, how do we do this?
Paul McCartney, Sir Paul McCartney, I know you're listening out there somewhere.
I know you're you're probably a big fan of Big Put Them Beyond. We'll
check our Patreon to see if you're a member. If you're listening, feel
free to reach out to us and suggest you as a guest. I mean,
we're happy to have you on at anytime. Big fan of your music.
I think you're pretty brilliant. You have a wonderful pop sensibility. You're
a great bass player. Why don't you come on the show. Would be
a lot of fun to have you. Well, you know, mister McCartney,
if you are listening, we'll make it worth your while. We'll give
you up to seventy five US dollars for coming on the podcast. I can't
turn that down. Yeah, you know what, Bobs, let's go big
Man, hundred bucks. Jeez, yeah, exactly. Put a couple zeros
behind that. Huh. How do you like that, mister McCartney, He
likes it. It'd be wonderful to have you, big fan. Okay,
let's shot. The second guy's got to say, who's this, Hey,
Clifton Bobo. My name is rick Y Army and I'm calling you from Ridgefield,
Connecticut. I'm a huge fan of the podcast and have never missed an
episode. My question to you is this, did your parents and siblings share
your belief in the existence of Sasquatch and if so, what did they do
to encourage you to continue your exploration and research in proving his existence and sharing
your results with the world. Keep up the great work. You guys are
amazing. Thank you. I didn't really get much support from well, my
younger brother he's into it, but he's not into it, into it he
knows they're around. And then my older brother thinking gives it two thoughts.
Well, what did your parents think of it as you're growing up, as
you developed this interest, they weren't too encouraging. No, no, they
are still. It became like a job making money on TV. They thought
that was cool. But part of that it was a little embarrassing for him.
Well, they always seemed to be encouraging about it when I was around.
I mean, because I knew you long before the TV show, and
I knew your parents then as well. But they didn't shun me or anything
like that. There's glass of normal king over for once. No, that's
right, I keep forgetting I'm the most normal person in your life. Yeah,
doesn't bode well for you. Man. Or they were like they were
like they were talking about her friends, like yeah, and then his friends
a school teacher and he's the nicest guy, you know, he was trust
normally and spoke well. And they were like talking about that like it was
looking a miracle. Well, you know, um, my envelope does look
pretty plain from the outside, but the contents are a little abnormal. I'll
say that, but you know, my parents didn't. My brother doesn't really
care. He thought it was super cool. I was on TV and yeah,
bigfoots, Yeah, maybe they're real, maebe and they're not cliffs A
weird guy is and I frankly, the Cliff's a weird guy perspective really pervaded
the family perspective for a long time, but my parents didn't think much of
it. Honestly, until one summer. I was probably off a few bobes
because this is when I was teaching and I still lived down in Long Beach.
I was off doing my big foot stuff during the summer, and I
think my parents, well, they were they were very active in their church,
you know, Um, down there and lost Coadi's Diagonal and Studebaker where
those two things come together, that's where they go to. That's where they
went to church down there, and they would sing in the choir, and
that was side their social circles as well, you know, as as it
is for a lot of people. They go to church and that that's a
social thing. And they were out there one time and one of their friends
said, well, what's Cliff doing right now? And they said something to
the effect of, well, he's out doing one of these big foot things.
And then one of their friends says, oh, I saw a sasquatch
once. And then my parents went what, especially my dad, but they
went like what, and she says, oh, yeah, I saw one
up by the trees of mystery. I was walking on the side of the
road. I saw with my grandson and blah blah blah, and and I
interviewed her later about that, and sure enough, I believe she saw one.
But my parents said, well, I've known you for twenty years or
fifteen or twenty years. She was married to a retired admiral from the navy.
And that's where the page turned, at least from my dad my mom,
I think of and something to her too. But for my dad in
particular, went from Cliffs a weird kid. I hope he has luck in
his life and he can do something normal too. Well, maybe Cliff's doing
something that's actually kind of cool and of interest and maybe even important. Both
my parents really encouraged me to do whatever I was interested in, no matter
what the job, as long as I did it and loved it and was
doing what I wanted to do. They were one hundred percent behind me.
And the fact that I was interested in science meant a lot to my dad.
I mean my dad was He bought me my first telescope that I still
have, like an eight inch Mead smit cast grain telescope is on the garage.
Yeah. So my dad was always very encouraging, and when he found
out sasquatches are real through his friend who had actually seen one, he was
even more encouraging than before, which is a hard thing to do because my
dad was a saint in lots and lots of ways. Your parents were great.
Yeah, they were fantastic. I miss them tremendously. About the next
question, Hey, Cliff and Bobo loved the podcast. My name is Ryan
from British Columbia. I wonder what your thoughts are on the supposed Jaco capture
of a sasquation near the LBC in the eighteen eighties. Is there any truth
Twitter? Do you think it's a complete hoax? Thanks? I thought we
went over that whole thing on the show with John Kirk about is BS.
Well, what do you think it is? I don't think it's real.
As much as it pains me to say, this is one of my favorite
stories of all time, it appears that it's not real at all. Do
you think it's not real because it was too fanciful or too weird? Or
why do you think it's not real? Because there was no other mentions of
it, like the conductor, you know, pooh poot it. Later on,
when John Kirk went and sessed it all out, it was total BS.
Yeah. I understand that a couple of the BC folks, John Kirk
is one of them, maybe Steamberg or Murphy was along with them. I'm
not sure they came to the conclusion that this thing has to be fake,
and I don't know what they based it on. I mean, maybe it's
time to have John back and we could just talk about that too. That'd
be kind of a fun episode getting deep into the Jocko mythology. But I
got to wonder if there was nothing to it. I mean, an awful
lot of newspapers picked it up, and of course that was very much more
common back in the eighteen eighties. I don't know, I guess said multiple
newspapers picking up it isn't necessarily pro or against the story. But if there
was nothing to it, where what was the basis? What was the seed
of that? Because as far as just like random made up journalism, why
would it be an animal that does exist that is generally not thought of as
existing. I know Krantz put a little bit of faith into it and tried
to tie up some loose ends with the sort of thing. A quick look
at Wikipedia, it's labeled the Jacko Hoax. I read through it pretty quick
here, but it doesn't say why it was proven to be a hoax.
It just says that it was proven to be a hoax. Then I gotta
wonder, like, well, why is the thing that? But that's what
I would like to know, because this is one of those lingering things in
Bigfoot. Is it or is not? We'll probably never know for sure,
but a lot of people have made up their mind, which is okay,
maybe it is probably is a hoax. That's the state of journalism in the
late eighteen hundreds. In eighteen nineties, they had lower faith in the press
than they do nowadays. Oh, that's hard to believe. Very sure.
Yeah, there's not nuts. It is nuts, that it's totally nuts.
But I would I would still like to know why, you know, because
you know, I'll tell you the London tracks are a hoax, and when
somebody asks me why, I'll tell you why. It's not just a gut
feeling I have. There's actual factual reasons behind it. Then too often I've
heard that, oh that's a hoax, and the whys have not panned out
either. They're kind of ethereal and hard to hard to really pin down on
it an actual fact or it's just false advertising, like in the case of
Freeman, where a Freeman admitted to his stuff was hoax. No he didn't,
that's false that that that's not true at all. So again, I'm
more than willing to say I'm not grabbing on say no, no, it's
real, it's real. I'm saying I don't know. But these people who
do know, I would really like to know why. Yeah, he'll break
it down for you when when you get through the whole thing with him,
it's like no doubt that yeah, if that's bs, Yeah, I'd like
to find out a little bit more, mostly because it's such an intriguing case
and as part of the historic stuff. You know, yeah, we got
him back now, we had him on our episode again, episode of forty
three, if everybody wants to go back and listen. Didn't he also say
that Albert Ausman is almost certainly hoax. Well, see, that's where I
disagreed on that with him for sure, because his stuff then was the geography
of the whole situation. I think, yeah, Sandy, so I could
see them vall came out from there and stuff. I was like, that's
but everything else to his story checks out really well for me, and that
there was all kinds of things saying like why it was true too, like
other people who are saying, oh, yeah, he told me that twenty
years before. Yeah, it'd be interesting to dig a little deeper in some
of that stuff. And I know there's a whole book written on Jocko.
Chris Murphy kind of dug the depths and produced a small little pamphlet about it.
I'm not more than a pamphlet. It's a small book has kept me
more than like six or eighty pages. So it's one of those things.
So I don't know if that helps at all, Ryan from BC, I
hope it does. But you know what's interesting is that I know that the
guys went out. The guys and then and again I think this is a
Steinberg Murphy and John Kirk. I think some are all of those people were
there. They went out and actually found the train tunnel that all this supposedly
happened at. So that kind of stuff checks out. These places do exist,
and of course Yale exists, um, and the description fits and all
that sort of stuff. So it's it's a neat thing, even if it's
not real, it's a kind of a cool thing. And I know that
if i'm next time i'm up in BC, i'd like to go see that
particular tunnel. I think that'd be cool. I'd like to go see the
Ruby Creek house. It's gone. Oh I thought the house was still there.
Um, I heard it was gone. Oh, the cabin's gone,
Okay, but the property is still there. Yeah, that property is still
there. And then that tunnel, Yeah, it's it's a it's not easy
to that tunnel. That the tunnel that think there's tunnel four, isn't it.
I don't know. I have my head nine, but I don't know.
I could be wrong. I can't I can't remember never. I just
started looking from up above. I was at the fireball. We were driving
out there and we it was it was way down that it was like called
supernarly like broken up shale, like slidy rock, and it was way down
the mountain. You have to go, you have to you'd access it.
I think. Yeah. I walked from the west side then walk along the
tracks for quite a ways. Yeah. I think they said it was like
a couple of mile walk along the railroad tracks to get there. Yeah.
That reminds me of that Finding Bigfoot episode in North Carolina, I think it
or oh yeah, yeah, the one where my brother was out with us
and you had who did you have? It? Is that? But yeah,
and it was so cold and then um moneymaker wanted to walk through that
train tunnel and you guys walked through the train tunnel. He was like,
no, there's no train on these tracks. He's have been abandoned for years,
and twenty thirty minutes later, if a train comes barreling down the track,
you guys would have been killed. Well, the other thing was that
what it was crazy about the train coming through was as it rumbled through,
there was all those salactites of ice hanging from the roof of the tunnel.
And as the train rumbled through and shook the shook everything, all those big
heavy, like three four foots icicles just you know, weighing like thirty pounds,
all came dropping down from like forty feet up, just like bombs,
just shattering everywhere. Like if we'd have been in there, we'd have been
so like we wouldn't have got hit by it, but all the all the
falling icicles could have got us pretty good. Oh man, can you imagine
just being like two feet away from a train barreling at that speed, like
because you would have to like hug the wall, but practically not to be
bowled over by it would horrifying. It would have been gnarly the best part
of these tracks. He looked, because he looked at it, He goes,
he looked at him, kind of splitted his eyes. He goes,
they have been used in fifteen years or more. Yeah, whoops, that's
an important judgment to make at that point. I think that's like I was,
like, I looked at the tracks and had it in fifteen years.
You know. Of course I've been horrifying that just the thought that you could
be it could have been inside there and stuff. And then you think,
imagine the intensity of the infrasound generated by a train a foot and a half
away from you. Oh man, yeah, that that doesn't like make you
crap your pants. I talked about the brown noe. Man. I don't
know what would it probably wouldn't be the infrasonic frequencies. It would just be
the situation. Well, I got stuck. I got stuck on a bridge
trestle down at San Clemente, going down to trestles on the actual train trestles.
We had one of those amtrack. Is this a Bigfoot story time?
I'm smelling no, no, no. It just came by. We jumped
down on the side and my one buddy lost his surfpart because the you know,
the like the air pressure like as it goes buyer. Yeah, like
it just sucked his board up out of his arms. If you weren't holding
out of it tight. You could lose your board. His board got sucked
away from him, got dinged up. The trains are dangerous. So once
again, Ryan, I hope we answered your question. I'm not so sure
we did, but we absolutely spoke about it for a while, and sometimes
we can do or the most we can do. Yeah, we may not
be able to answer your question, but gosh Darnett, we're going to talk
about it for a while. That's something. Yeah, thanks for listening,
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Bigfoot. Why don't we go to the next voicemail by guys. This is
Connie calling from Illinois, and I apologize if you've had this question before.
So I'm wondering if you guys think that there's a breeding season for bigfoots or
if they can reproduce any time of year like humans. Secondarily, I'm wondering
what you think the gtation period might be for a mother carrying a baby big
Foot, and what you think the average size of a baby big Foot would
be when it's born. Thanks guys, Huh, Well, I think all
of those questions might be answered best with we don't know, but we have
some thoughts. Um. It turns out that I don't think any ape really
has a breeding season. I know that some come into you know, reception
so to speak, um, periodically, but I don't think there's like,
you know, between September and December, is when when when this particular ape
species gets it on. I don't think that's the case at all. I
think it's it's a matter of when particular females might be receptive. Um.
And so I don't think that there would be a breeding season for sasquatches,
although one would have to consider what would be considering you know, sasquatches live
in a much hard sure environment in some ways as far as like temperature and
all that sort of stuff. Then the other apes that we know of the
extant apes, so you'd have to kind of wonder when is the most opportune
season for a newborn sasquatch to be born. I think that would probably I'm
guessing that. I don't know. What do you think about that, Bob?
I would think at the very end of winter would probably be the best
time for them to be born, because they could survive on their mother's milk
for a month or a couple of months and then start eating other types of
food and that's and of course in spring is when more of those foods would
be available. So do you have any thoughts on that. That's what it
feels like to me, Elea, It's like late winter, early's spring,
because that's the beginning of the fruitful time for the rest of the year,
and they could always survive on mother's milk, which that probably has a high
fat content, and sasquatches don't seem to have too much trouble getting food no
matter what the season. That or that's my thought. What do you think
the two birth stars I heard about them were like late spring, But I
don't know if they're you know, that's just what I was told, right,
Well, yeah, so apparently apes have a gestation period of about eight
or nine months or so on. I mean, like I just did a
quick search here, So Bonobo's two hundred forty days, chimpanzees two hundred and
forty three days, you know, So it's it's it's not that much of
a big difference here, you know. So let's just say eight or nine
months, maybe ten, if you know, for whatever reason, say nine
months like humans, give or take a little bit, So nine months before
I don't know what, March maybe maybe that's a good time to be born
because things start melting away. But then again and higher in like more northerly
climates, maybe that's a little bit later. And as far as the size,
well, ape babies tend to be very, very small, and um
i'd say about the same size as a human baby, although human babies have
bigger heads than most the other ape species, all the other ape species when
they're born, so that that has something to do with it as well,
I suppose. But yeah, so tiny little things. I mean, they're
not like you know, kangaroo babies or something. They're like like human babies,
maybe a little smaller, maybe a little bigger somewhere in there, probably
a smaller head proportionately to the side of the body because the smaller brain case.
There. Gestation periods probably about nine months, and breeding season probably not.
Apes don't breed season like yearly. Really, no ape does. I
mean chimpanzees, for example, they breed every one to five years. I
think for orangutans is like something once every six years. I could be wrong
about that, but yeah, there's a there's this period of time where they
don't have babies because they have to raise the baby they already have. Humans
could be an exception, you know, we can, we could keep pumping
them out yearly if you really wanted to. But at the same time,
the other ape species just don't do it that way because they have a baby
they have to take care of already, and that's probably very demanding on their
resources. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't think it would be a seasonal
sort of thing to my in my head at least, you know. But
again, I think big boots are pretty good at this sort of stuff,
and Betty good to stand alive and finding food and having the resources they need
and whatever, So they probably don't need to be strategic in that sort of
way, other than perhaps missing the depths of winter when the food would be
by far the most scarce. Well, okay, you second that motion.
If Bobo agrees with me, I must be right. Everyone says, yeah,
exactly. Bobo knows all right. Well, Connie, I hope that
answers your question. But again, even if it doesn't, we talked about
it for a while. There you go, there you go. Why don't
we have the next question and we can talk about that one for a while,
high Cliff and Bobo. I met a young man who lives in Sumatra
who claims to see Orain Pindex every day, and I suggest to him that
he pulled some hair to try and get DNA. I couldn't think of anything
better. What are your thoughts love the show? Well, thank you whoever
you are. We appreciate that you love the show. How about a photograph?
That would be a I think that's a good good way to go because,
based on my time in Sumatra, most people down there have cell phones,
which I found very astonishing. By the way, the little side paragraph
here, I'm I'm hiking right, I'm going to uh Gooden tuju Um,
which is that lake that I paddled across and backpacked into in Sumatra, like
five miles uphill. And you know, it's also a place where like young
people go for ragular hikes and stuff. It was kind of cool and even
at the top up there, you know, five miles in um there's a
bunch of teenagers, sixteen seventeen year olds with cell phones. And I'm thinking,
these these people living in Sumatra, you know, and out hiking me
and I've got hiking boots and they wearing flip flops and stuff. Um,
just shaming me, essentially, these young people, and they're taking pictures with
us because they don't see. Adam Davies and I sat down with a bunch
and we have a bunch of pictures with these folks from Simatra taking pictures with
us, um because we looked unusual to them, you know. So they
were taking pictures and they were astonished. They all have cell phones? Are
they pann two hundred bucks a month? It was like yeah, it was
unlimited everything, talk, texts, all this and that for like eight dollars.
And they were getting reception. Yeah, they're getting reception. And then
the depths of Sumatra and this tiger preserve on the top, and I'm thinking
something is wrong, Something is wrong with us, because we think that this
is an acceptable thing to get crappy reception and have to pay so much money
for it. I don't understand. But anyway, let's get back to the
question. Sorry, orange pendex grabbing a hair off a wild ape might be
very difficult and dangerous. So if maybe if the if this range pendeck that
this person is claiming to see, which I kind of doubt. I mean,
you know, you know orange pendex are I think they're absolutely real animals,
of course, but they have They can't be more common than say,
orangutans, and even when you're in the territory of an orangutan, you don't
see them every day. In fact, I read something a few years ago,
and my numbers might be a little squishy, but they're approximately right.
These orangutans and researchers did like a five year study or something in an orangutan
sanctuary area, not a sanctuary where they're like acclimated to humans or anything,
and I think they had something like seven or eight sightings. Yeah, maybe
it wasn't five years, maybe it's five or eight months or something. But
still they practically never saw these things, and I would expect the ring pendeck
to be about the same. But if they if this guy does see a
ring pendeck occasionally and saw that it was scratching its back or something. Then,
yeah, hair would be cool. Hair would be really cool. But
why not just start with a picture because they probably this person probably has a
cell phone or access to a camera. Or how about a footprints we can
compare them to the other examples we have in the data set. How about
footprints, I think that would be a good way to start, and you
know, plasters relatively cheap over there. Even pictures of the footprints afterwards,
or pictures of the footprints in the ground would be very telling. There's a
lot of ways to approach this, but getting a hair off of a wild
ape would probably be very, very dangerous because the rain pendex Yeah, they're
called small men or ring means man or human, and then pandeck means small
because they're short five or three to three to five feet tall, But there's
still a lot stronger than pretty much any human. You know, look at
look at chimpanzees. They're about the same size, and they can they can
literally rip your arm out. Yeah, I'd be very cautious about approaching an
ring pendeck if I were this person, if he's even telling the truth,
and when people tell me they say bigfoots every day. I don't believe them.
When people say they see a ring pendex every day, I don't really
believe them. Heck, if you told me you saw bears every day,
I probably wouldn't believe you either, you know, even though that's much more
reasonable and you can bait them and they can come in and feed on your
trash and stuff, but still every day. Yeah, even if they say
they hear them everyday, I don't believe. Of course people exaggerate. Maybe
they hear them once a week. Maybe that's more reasonable. I don't know.
They might be around a lot more. And frankly, the way these
things roll, I mean, all of these unknown apes species, they're probably
around a lot more than people realize. Oh for sure. Yeah. I
was talking to a long term witness just yesterday, actually, who's a listener
to the program, So hello to you, you know who you are.
And this gentleman was saying to me, it's like, for as often as
we see them around the house or are aware of them, hear them and
do all these sort of things, they must be around just so much more
that we just never know about. And I think that's probably the way all
of these ape species would roll, including a ring pindex. Yeah, I
think so, and again that Bobo agrees with me. I must be right.
Everyone says, well, there you go, whoever you are asking questions
about a ring pindex. All right, let's listen to the next question.
Now, hey, Cliff, Bob's done here from Southwest Florida by way of
Squatch of Choosts. I've got a really fun question for you guys. If
you, guys were skeptics, now put on your skeptic cat for five minutes.
What would your top three reasons for Bigfoot not to exist? Also,
thank you for again vastly entertaining theme song that's upbeat. Every other big Foot
podcast has this depressing, overly dramatic intro that's quite frankly aren't to listen to.
Thanks again, guys, appreciate all the entertainment and looking forward to your
ansom. First of all, thank you for the theme song compliment. We
do appreciate that, and well I do that pro It certainly loves it because
he's the one who wrote it and performed it. That was nice. But
Doug from Southwest Florida by means of squatcha Chusetts nice name dropping there by the
way, We love it. When squatcha Chusetts gets a call out, because
they're a great group, some of the best investigators out in that part of
the country, and certainly the best in the Massachusetts. No offense to all
the other ones, but we have our favorites. But anyway, if we
were skeptics, what would be that driving force? Well, I guess ignorance
of the data would probably be my first one. Ignorance of the actual evidence
that is coherent and congruent. That would have to be the driving factor for
me personally, because I'm an evidence based researcher. I like basing things on
the evidence that I can personally weigh or have can understand and wrap my head
around. So I would have to have ignored or been unaware of the evidence,
particularly the footprint cast evidence and the other the other cast I hand prints
and that sort of thing. Yeah, so I think that would have to
be the driving factor as far. I think the media wouldn't help at all
either because the media what they put out there all the time, or the
hoaxes and the dubious encounters, like somebody said this and here's a video that
looks very very fake. You know that the very very fake part would be
in parentheses there because they don't show a lot of the good stuff that's out
there. They just show the stuff that looks ridiculous. So the hoaxes and
the bad press and and the bad logic of since there are hoaxes, everything
is a hoax, which is what most skeptic books go to. The books
love to point out the ivan marks stuff or these other busted hoaxes and and
say and as if that's proof for all of the sidings and footprints and photographs
and videos, and I wouldn't encounters. All those have to be fake because
this one or two thing, these one or two things are fake. It
seems to me like bad logic. It's it's like saying that these one or
two people are total assholes, therefore all people are assholes, or these one
or two people are saints, and therefore all people are saints. You know,
that's the same logic. It doesn't make any sense. So for me,
that's I guess that's what it would have to be. What about you,
bobo, that there's not one in a zoo? Do you think that
would be the thing like like that that they haven't that we don't have a
body like which is the thing that all skeptics can to hang their hat on.
Yeah, it is the kind of the thing behind it all, which
is a perplexing for us people who are in the know. We know big
foots are real, and why why isn't this that? Why has this not
been done yet? And there are good reasons for it, but at the
end of the day, it could have been done. It could have been
done several times people have killed these things. Yeah, it's just unfortunate no
one ever did the follow through on it. Amen, Amen, I guess,
but yeah, no one. They're real. It's like I don't spend
much time worrying about what's the best I think for them not being there.
Yeah. It is an interesting question though, because it gets us out of
our own mindset, which is always a good exercise. True. True,
what's our next question? I don't know yet. We'll see. Hey,
Cliff and Bobo, this is Andy Eastern in London, England. I wondered
what your thoughts were on how many different species or subspecies of big foot there
are in North America. Chase, guys. Oh, I love when we
get listeners from the UK or anywhere outside of the US, not that we
don't love the US, of course, but like to know that we have
an international reaches. It is a crumbling thing. It's kind of I just
saw we charted in Albania, India. Oh that's cool. That's cool.
We welcome to all of our listeners no matter where you are on this planet
or elsewhere. That's really cool. Really appreciate that. But as far as
the question goes number of subspecies of sasquatches in North America, he said that,
so we have to address that. So what do you think, Bobo,
Well, I mean the footprint unless some of those three tracks don't be
you know, real or something, but all the footprint data points to there's
being one. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think there's one.
I think there's one species here in North America and probably the same species
and throughout South America as well. That's my guess. Could be wrong with
the South America thing because things do diverge over time. But if these things
have only been in North America for maybe fifteen or twenty or even fifty thousand
years, that may not be enough time for a lot of evolution to happen
as far as subspecies and stuff. Maybe it is maybe it is. Yeah,
I would say there's one in North America. Just because people report different
colors of the animals or different temperaments or behaviors of the animals, those things
do not make a new species. The species thing is kind of based on
what can interbreed from an understand like the technical definition of species. But um,
you know, bobo and I are the same species, you know,
theoretically, and we look and act very different, you know, but that
doesn't make a new species. So I would say there's one in North America.
But let's let's expand on this question. What about worldwide, Bobo?
What do you think? Well, I think worldwide there's gotta be I think
at least, you know, like six okay, so what do you think
they are? Though? It's a sasquatch, right, sasquatch. And then
like the brown jacks down in uh down in Australia and you got them,
was it lejoa or lejo Yeah? Yeah, yeah, from Flores. Now
I think those are the same. I think homols is the that species that
I can't remember the name off the top of my head that doctor fourth talked
about. Yeah, I think the brown jacks are relict Homo flusienss um and
that's probably the Ebu Gogo because you know, the Ebu Gogo is on the
west side of Flores, and then the Lehou or whatever that was is on
the east side of Flores. It's probably the same thing. Flores is a
small place. Oh yeah, it's not big as for sure. Now Doctor
fourth might disagree with me, but that's just my gut feeling. I don't
have a lot of evidence for that. But it's a small I do have
evidence that it's a small island, but I don't have evidence that there to
be the same thing or not. But I bet you the Ebu Gogo and
the other one are the same one. The O Tang seems to be something
totally different. Yeah, but yeah, my money for the O Tang is
it's another Australi epithesne of some sort that seems like one people would argue at
least about about what it would be. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
No, No, what about the yearen I think I think they're a
different thing, really, just because like in the same way that they say
black bear American black bears and sun bears are different or or what do you
think? And none of us know so this is all just speculation, of
course, but yeah, a lot of it's going off, like Native descriptions
and stuff like that, how they act. The people are on there all
reporter as being like an animal like, no them report them being like a
wild person. Now, now keep in mind now you're basing that on an
indigenous perspective, right, that's some degree the indigenous people that you've spoken to.
Um. Now, Now, something that it occurred to me a while
back, and UM, is that the people of North America had nothing else
to compare them to except for they look human like and they're covered in air,
right, so they're wild people or that sort of stuff, a wild
tribe or something. But the people in South America, they have monkeys.
And remember how the indigenous people of South America to describe one of them,
at least described to us the sasquatch that here or the mapping guidi that they
saw, was it was like a monkey, but with no tail. And
I'm wondering if the reason that they're so anthropomorphized in North America is because there
was nothing else to compare them too. But in China there are there monkeys
in China. That's a great point cliff it could very well be true.
And I don't mean need disrespect to any indigenous people who hold that belief that
are listening and I want to go with their their tribal and cultural knowledge,
which is totally fine with me. But I'm wondering if that's the case,
because there are no monkeys in North America, I mean, and maybe in
Central America or somewhere, but not not not up here in like Canada for
example, or whatever. Um could that be why the indigenous people here recognize,
oh, that's a human shape thing and and therefore described them as being
more humanlike food for thought. Food for thought, I'm chucking on a Clifford
gave me a pretty big bite. Oh good good. That's the least I
can do. And you know what, I know, the Heimlich Now what
about the one? Now? Now, obviously orange Pendex would be another because
if the footprints stuff I have is real, that's that's not that's not a
Homo furisiances that's some sort of a probably terrestrial small version of the orangutan or
something like that. Who knows, right, Yeah, I think yeah,
I think bills are definitely different. Yeah, there's at least I think there's
at least five I mean anywhere, I mean four to eight would be I
think he'd be safe and saying something like that, Yeah, see, I
would say sasquatch, Yeah, for sure. And I'm going to go as
far as they say sasquatches rain range north and South America and for a big
portion of Asia. So I'm gonna say in subspecies, I don't know,
I don't even know what that. I know there's definitions for that, but
I'm not exactly sure where the cutting line is, like that the cutoff line
is. So I'm just gonna go with sasquatches North and South America, Eastern
Asia, and that's Vietnam, that's China, that's a Russia for a lot
of it. And I also think that they extend into Indonesia, like Suwalisi
has reports of like three meter tall like sasquatch things, and also into Australia.
And and I'm even gonna say that sasquatch is probably ranged into the Himalayas
and are responsible for one of the types of yetis that are commonly reported.
But on top of that, we have the little guys Ebaggo, the brown
jacks in Australia, that one on the east, in the east side of
Flores. I think that's probably another one. And then we have a ring
pendex And I'm wondering now if a ring pendex come in two sizes, like
there's two subspecies there, because most of the ones are about three to five
feet tall. But there's another one called orange good Dang that almost never gets
mentioned. It has one mentioned, I believe in Sanderson's book. There's a
one book written with them in the title, but it doesn't really have anything
to do with them, particularly has more Mostly it's like a travelog more than
anything else. But almost almost nobody mentions these things range good dang that they're
from a different part of Sumatra. A rang, of course, means man
in Indonesian, and good dang in this case means big, So like the
opposite of a ring pendeck small man, it's the big man. And these
things are about five or six feet tall. I would just normally group that
into the sasquatch category, except that their foot structure is different. They have
an abducted HeLEX and I know that because I have a very small number of
footprint casts from them. In fact, I have one track way because remember
I sponsored the Orange Pandec project. And when my guys went to a different
part of Sumatra. This is Dally and those guys down in Somatra, they
went to a different part of Somatra. They came back with something that they'd
never heard of. They said, the locals call meranguea dangs and here's a
foecasts from the same trackway. And these particular casts are astonishing. They're so
cool. Everyone's different than the last. The toes are in different places,
and it shows a lot of flexibility in their feet with an abducted HeLEX.
It's really really interesting stuff. And then we didn't even mention the almas or
the almasty right, so there's those things too. So what did I just
say? Sasquatches, the range pendex, which might have might also be a
range dangs. It's a different size of them brown jacks, you know,
and all those little guys and almastis I have. Oh, and then there's
probably some stuff in Africa that we have no idea about except for the ting.
So that's five. I've got five. Yeah, I'm willing to say
five is a safe number, and there might be many more, but it's
five is a good number to start with. Yeah, I can live with
that, all right. We've come to some sort of agreement. If we
can do this, why can't world leaders do this? We're talking about way
more important stuff here. Seriously, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages, let's go to
the next question. Good afternoon, Cliff, Bobo, and Matt. Little
Day from South Alabama again. Hope everything's going wonderful for y'all's new year.
I just finished a book called Lower Alabama big Foot. Author took a trip
to Foulk, Arkansas that he talked about in the book and actually met Smoky
Crabtree at his house. My question for you is in the book he claimed
that Smokey showed him his collection of stuff and decided that he was such a
cool guy that he took him back in the barn. And in the barn
he said he looked at a body that Smokey Crabtree had. Now in his
words, he said, it looked more like a cat missing ahead but laid
out on its back. Just wondering. Since y'all new Smokey crab Tree and
Lyle Blackburn, so well, is there any validation to this story and if
so, what was it? Thank you very much guys, and loved the
podcast. Yeah, he showed a few people that body out there in the
freezer. Was it a tiger? Right? No, I think it was
a lion. I think it was actually a lion that he got a hold
of somehow. So your your friend there is correct that it was in fact
a big cat. But yeah, it is in fact a cat. I
remember him tounting that around, and I remember doctor Meldrom talking about that at
one point. Smokey he was a big personality. I never met the man.
I wish I did. Well. But did you meet Smoky No?
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I know we when we were filming in Foul.
He was he was towards the end of his life and he was too
ill to meet with his sad day. But yeah, yeah, Smoky Crabtree
was quite the character in a lot of ways. Everything that he did or
said should always be looked at through skepticals. Doesn't mean he's lying or hoaxing.
It just means be skeptical and be open to whatever you find. But
yeah, that there was a lion body at some point that he had and
I don't know why he had a lion. I don't know how he got
a lion. I don't. I mean, it's illegal to have a lions
or even a lion body for that matter, I believe, So I don't
know how he got it or what the story is behind that, but I
do remember when that was circulating at the time. So, yeah, your
friend is correct, that was a cat. But would you remember anything else
about it or anything or do you do remember that right? Yeah? I
mean I never saw it, but I I saw photos of it and it
was Yeah, it was a large cat. Smokey is the one guy could
like bs stuff and not get booted out of the community. It's like the
superpower. Yeah, it wasn't like it was. It was like his you
know, oh he faked, he's out. You know, He's like I
was just Smokey, you know, he got it. That's Smoky. So
he always just got the free pass because he was a cool guy. Yeah.
Yeah, he again an amazing um storyteller and quite the quite the personality.
So but um, I'll tell you, I wish I would have met
Smooky crab Tree, but a lot of my friends had the opportunity to do
so so I can't. I can just live through them, I guess.
So yeah, yeah, but yeah, Dave from Southern Alabama, you are
correct, cat body was not a sasquatch. I don't know if I have
anything else to add on that one, So why don't we just go to
the next question. Hey, Cliff and Bobo, this is Ryan from South
Carolina. Loved the podcast, always looking forward to the next episode every week.
So my question has to do with vocal recognition and sasquatches. I would
say for the most part that humans can recognize other human voices. And my
question is in particularly with howls. Do you think that sasquatches in any way
can differentiate between a human mimicking a howl and another sasquatch howling? Also,
do you think there's any sasquatches? And Francis Marion, National Forest. I
have a great day, guys, and looking forward to the next episode here
we always talk about that. Yeah, yeah, I do think sasquatches can
recognize each other. I wonder how much they can differentiate between humans and sasquatches.
Maybe there's some hidden frequencies in their calls that we don't have in ours.
It's entirely possible. I don't know. But at the same time,
they do call back to us sometimes maybe just the dumb ones callback, I
don't know. Yeah, that's what I thought. Maybe this is the dumb
people call it them though, too, which is us right, Yeah,
like, oh, we think we're gonna fool them, and we're just like
Now, maybe it's a lack of intelligence on both sides of that. Communication
must sound different to them. I mean, especially the last fifteen years,
you know whatever, since the funny Bigfoot came out and people are doing calls
over the place, they don't They don't answer back that they used to before.
You speak, pretty easy, not easy, but they had to answer
back way more pre show because there wasn't a lot of people doing it.
Now, so people have done it. I think there are a lot more
a lot more cautious about what they respond to. Yeah, it's entirely possible.
They can tell the difference, and again there might be the hidden frequencies
in there. Maybe we just have a different sound and tambre to our sounds.
You know, when a real sasquatch calls back, I can definitely tell
it's not a human. And there are other times that you know, they're
probably real sasquatch is calling back and it sounds like a human. But then
you have to just say, well, could there possibly be a human over
there? And if the answer is no, then it's probably a sasquatch.
But there are sometimes when you're going, holy crap, that is not a
human being, and so that's got to be the case for them too,
maybe, I guess, but I kind of I'm interested in that. What
b Mills was talking about is identifying individual sasqua watches by their sounds as well,
just because you know, if you hear Bobo's voice, you know,
but you know it's Bobo. Bottom line, Just imagine if you hear my
voice, you know it's me. And b thinks that she is now differentiating
between the various sasquatches that are calling back in her research area in Southeast Ohio.
I think that's an interesting thing and there's an interesting pursuit for sure.
I think identifying individuals is a very important thing to do if we're going to
learn their habits. I'm trying to do that with footprints because audio is not
really my thing, but I would encourage people who are love audio to try
to differentiate individuals from the same area. That'd be kind of a neat study.
And as far as Francis Marion's National Forests, yes, there are sasquatches
there. That's one of the places that we did our investigations when we were
in South Carolina, just north to Charleston. There. It seems that most
of the sasquatch reports were based either in Francis Marion National Forest or way up
there in the other corner kind of north of like by Greenville and Anderson and
all that stuff, and South Carolin. Those are the places where the most
sasquatch reports come out of and those are also the two places in South Carolina
that have the largest population of bears. And I think that's very telling.
Yeah, I remember what error. I don't remember. It was so long
ago. I know that we spent a couple hours in the lab of a
biologist or something in South Carolina and we're kind of overlaying sighting reports and bear
populations and they corresponded very, very nicely, and that was something that impressed
the professor at the college. I remember the gentleman's name, but I remember
spending up some time with him. I hope that helps you there that was
I think Ryan was that guy's name. So thank you Ryan for listening,
and thank you for the question. We appreciate it. We're gonna do the
next question now. Hey, yuys, this is Brandon from North Louisiana.
I am a longtime listener, first time voicemeller. I'm a hunter here in
North Louisiana, but I'm also a big foot enthusiast, and the more I
learned about these animals, I'm beginning to wonder if some of the noises that
I'm hearing on our hunting lace might not be coincidence. I've heard everything from
what could be a training knock. I've had trees fall over while I'm out
there, uh, either hunting or doing work on the lease. Um,
what would you recommend the first step to take, uh to find out if
these animals are actually on our hunting lease? I appreciate you guys. Thanks
well. Cliffs not a stick structures, but thought to me that would be
a good sign. So what would they look for? You know, like
the twisted snap trees like five to ten feet in the air. Um,
it was like torn out branches that are stuck in the ground making axes,
or like they make those delta or chevron signs on the ground with multiple sticks.
Okay, and so what else? What else do you think I think
this gentleman can do to figure out if they're sasquatches. Do some vocalizations to
see what you get back in the evening time. Yeah, I would do
Knox. I would do Knox. And then part of the reason I would
do Knox is because of what we were just talking about with this previous caller.
Maybe they can tell the difference. But a knock is a knock is
a knock. It'd be difficult to discern what's making it from one hundred yards
away. People always ask me, how what's the best about a Knox to
do? And I'm like, one if I like, I mean, because
one is the most comment you hear from them. It's obviously like one.
You're never sure, like if they're like busy doing something, like they catch
they you know, like if they barely hear it, they're like, wait
was that one? And then they only hear one that they don't hear another
one like parif Like whereas if you do two or three, if you catch
them like by the second or third one, that they could be paying attention
a lot better and hear it. I've thought about that as well. You
know what I've started doing Bobo is I do one and then I wait a
minute or two and do another, and I just kind of do it periodically
for a while, right, Because to me, one knock is the very
least amount of information after zero, after zero, information that you can give
them to try to figure out if you're a human or a sasquatch, and
that's not much to go on. It always reminds me. I remember in
chemistry class at Milliken High School, mister Willshire, the chemistry teacher, told
us, like the simplest way to write a multiple. He was explaining why
they did this, why scientists, when you're multiplying two numbers, they don't
want to put the X from multiplying because that looks like a variable. So
the simplest way to do it, because multiplication is so common, is that
they put a dot, just a dot, because it's the simplest thing.
It's literally the simplest thing you can write. And that's that's how I view
knox as a dot on a piece of paper. Essentially, it's the least
amount of information you can give that still is meaningful in some way. That's
my feeling. But you know what I would do, Brandon from Northern Louisiana
is I would get an audio recorder and bring that out with you and just
have it running the entire time you're out there. They don't make noise at
least that's stuff that we can hear. You can always have it on you.
And when you hear these noises, maybe there's a pattern to them.
Maybe you can start recording the may maybe you're gonna hear a vocalization of some
sort or an animal that you can't identify. You can share that with somebody
and maybe they can identify it as a coyote, or maybe they can identify
it as something else, or maybe they go, oh my god, I
don't know what that is. Sounds like a person or something like that.
Even though you know there are no people there, then we're onto something.
So I would look for I would look to start gathering information with an audio
recorder. And he don't need anything fancy. You know, one of these
one of these audio recorders that costs about one hundred bucks, you know,
because everybody can have everybody has one hundred bucks. If you want to save
a few months or something that for those you may not have it on hand,
you can save twenty bucks a month and have one and a half a
year. That's pretty good, right, And I try to get the cheaper
ones. I don't spend four or five hundred bucks on audio recorders because they're
gonna get wet, they're gonna get dirty, they're gonna get ruined eventually.
So I buy the less expensive ones, the ones that range between eighty and
one hundred and twenty bucks, because they work just fine. And get digital
ones and bring that out with you. Maybe you're gonna get lucky. Maybe
you're gonna hear something and get it recorded, because that's always cool. It's
just cool. If nothing else, it's a lot of fun. Something else
I would do to find out if there are sasquatches on your hunting lease or
near your hunting lease is look for reports from the area. Sasquatches are really
good, it seems at finding the areas, finding the land where very few
people go, and they gravitate towards those areas. If you can find two
or three or four, gosh even more sighting reports within five miles of your
hunting lease, you can be pretty sure that there are sasquatches there at least
sometimes. At least that's my thought. So I don't know if you have
anything else to add to that, but that's what I would do. So
I would start by trying to gather data for yourself with an audio recorder or
something. Take pictures of whatever, and see if you can find footprints.
Of course, but that would be a pretty dead giveaway if you can find
some footprints, But look for sighting reports in the data sets that are out
there at the BFR or various other places online. If there's you gotta you
have a couple of sighting reports within a few miles of that spot, you
could be pretty sure that they're on the hunting lease at least at sometimes.
Yeah, for sure. Um, I think, well, you gotta spend
a little you said, one hundred bucks. Yeah, you can get a
good recorder. I would like to get one of those ones that the ornithologists
was saying to get because then they're stowag to scan through and there's way quicker
to review. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, um, the ones
that are just left out, they're the long duration recorders like and the kind
that they're used from ornithology and whatever you got, you got to spend the
time to go through that. They have certain software that helps you, but
you can use Sonic Visualizer. That's a free program that shows you the spectrograph
and to kind of look for the things that are out of the ordinary.
That's how we go through our LDR stuff, a long duration recorders at the
NABC. Tom Shay's partner Dusty Ruth, has donated a number of um LDRs
to the NABC and we have them deployed out in various areas. Collect them
about once a month or once every six weeks, and then while my guys
are on the clock or I'm at the shop or something, we go through
all the audio recorders and look for the signatures of things making noises. It
takes about twenty minutes, maybe about fifteen to twenty minutes to go through one
night, ten to twenty minutes, and so you have to spend some time
doing it. But it's a good way to find vocalizations that you would have
missed because you're not there. Okay, we're nearing the end of the program
right now. We have a couple more voicemails that we could get to.
But you know what. We're gonna save those till next time. But because
there's a written question. We haven't done any written questions this entire episode so
far, but there is one written question that we just cannot ignore. So
we're gonna go ahead and attack that one now. And here it is Bobo.
This one comes from Lucy Shipley, and she asks, Cliff, you
said ages ago you were open to sonnets sonnets, so it feels like the
right time to send you one. Oh seekers after Truth and after Light.
With footprint casts and heat detecting scopes from steamy swamp to rocky mountain heights,
they track the beast with their decreasing hopes. Bigfoot sasquatch, oma many namid,
ancestral human, just a pile of wu, an ancient creature never to
be tamed. No better trackers could they have than you, Cliff and Bobo,
of whom we are so fond proud listeners of Bigfoot and beyond. Very
nice. That was awesome. That was really cool, Lucy really appreciate that.
That was very sweet of you. Yeah, what's a poem, a
Cliff, I don't know. I think a sunda is a particular genre.
I can tell you a cliff laid ambibobs. You're far more artistically inclined than
I am. A sana is a poem of fourteen lines, is in any
number of formal rhyme schemes in English, having ten syllables per line, ten
syllables a line. So that is kind of like a haiku, because hikus
are traditionally five syllables, seven syllables and then five more. Oh that's interesting
coming in people. Yeah, yeah, feel free to write us poetry.
That's something that we haven't begged for before. Yeah. If you're out there
and you are artistically actually, let's just open it up. Man. If
you guys are artistically inclined in any direction, any direction, feel free to
do something for us. And what will play it or sing it or say
it or hum it or show it on the air or in our membership section.
You know, that'd be kind of cool. Like you, some people
send us art. I mean, you know, Bobo, I don't know
last time you're at the museum, but there was a we have a piece
of art hanging up in our bathroom at the NABC depicting you and I.
I've not seen that. And actually, Bobo, I forgot to tell you
this. But earlier in the week I finally went to my po box and
Sandy and a guy named Mark is a fan of the show and he's a
amazing silver smith. He a few years ago, I think it was a
few years ago, he sent me, Um, you know, like my
little Murphy Bigfoot silhouette thing. Yeah, he sent me one of those holding
the guitar. You know, it made out a silver that he made in
a necklace and it was just so amazing I can't possibly wear it. Um.
It's actually on display in the NABC in the in the lip case there.
Um he made you one. He made you Well, yeah, you
have a silver necklace from a gentleman named Mark. I don't want to say
last name. So Mark, I know you're listening. So um and Bobo
didn't know about this. I forgot to tell him until now, but this
is a good time to tell him. Yeah, of U, there's a
sasquatch. Do you want to know about it? Or should just wait to
see it? Should I tell you? Tell me? I should tell you
because because nobody else may be able to see this. There it's a necklace
with a sasquatch holding a surfboard. And the theme is the sasquatch that stole
Bobo's surfboard. It is at the shop right now, but you said you're
coming up in the next couple of months, right something. Yeah, at
some point, Calas hold it for you. There's one. There's one,
or there's a couple other things at the shop that people will send me to
give to you. They probably don't realize that we're not like the Scooby Gang
where we all live in the same house or something. But I'm more than
happy to give to save these things and set them aside because I know I
see you every once in a while, although it has been a while now
since I've seen you in person. I will say that yeah, yeah,
it's been far too long. Or maybe you can bring it down when you
go to that funeral. Oh that's true. Maybe I'll just thrown in the
car and bring it down. Yeah, because that's only a month away now.
But anyway, Yeah, Mark has a fantastic piece of jewelry for you.
It's really really cool. It's just beautiful. The guy is so skilled.
Yeah, it was fantastic. But the rest of you, guys,
whatever skills you have, maybe you want to whittle something for us. I
don't know. I think whittling is an art that hasn't been featured very heavily
lately in modern America. So yeah, maybe there's something you want to make
for big Foot and Beyond or for Bobo, or for me or Matt Prutt
for that matter. Maybe you want to make a song and about big Foot
and Beyond and send it to us. We'll play it man. Thanks Mark.
Yeah, it's totally cool because you know, the a mess. You
may have noticed, the world's a mess, and I think one of the
one of the best things any of us can do to get through all this
and kind of bring everybody together is to make art. Is to create and
let your inner angel fly, so to speak, because no matter what kind
of art you are making, it's going to be fantastic. There you go.
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