WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:10.439 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:23.960 so like Shay, subscribe and raid it Timesta listening watching, always keep 3 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:31.839 it squadging and now your hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobo Fay. Thanks the 4 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:36.920 next Evo for supporting our show. Try next Evo Naturals, capsules, gummies, 5 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.799 mints and topical creams. Get a better start to the year with products 6 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:47.079 like They're stress CBD Complex. Go to next evo dot com slash podcast and 7 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:52.200 use promo code Bigfoot to get twenty percent off your first order of forty dollars 8 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:55.479 or more. Hello Bobo, how you doing today? All right, what's 9 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.600 going on? Cliff? Did this man Q and a day? But I 10 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:00.960 spent the day out in the woods. That was kind of neat um, 11 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:07.439 nothing big footy. But my friend of mine found really big mountain lion tracks 12 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.920 in the snow. So I went out there and we were practicing snow casting 13 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:14.719 today. Oh you do, because you send me some photos. I was 14 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:17.599 looking at my phone. Okay, so that was like, wha actually put 15 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:19.000 on? That wasn't blood, No, that wasn't blood. No. For 16 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:23.480 once, I didn't use any blood in my cast. No, for once, 17 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.799 I thought you were a cast like a bloody mountain lion print or something. 18 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:29.000 Oh, that would be way cooler. I shouldn't have told you. 19 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.640 You could have lived in this illusion. That's way cooler than the actual reality. 20 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:38.200 No. Yeah, Apparently the brand of snow wax forensic snow wax that 21 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:42.120 I bought that's on Amazon for like eighteen bucks or something, is that they 22 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:46.319 put pigment in it so you can see the footprints on the snow. Yeah, 23 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.120 it is smart. I was impressed with that. Yeah. We gave 24 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:51.799 that a shot today, cast about ten of them, and I had to 25 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.799 come home to do the podcast here because it's kind of a surprise podcast today 26 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.519 in a way, just because we had some scheduling stuff going on. But 27 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.959 uh, yeah, So I'm looking forward to see how those turned out, 28 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:02.799 because I don't get a lot of opportunity to cast in the snow because I 29 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:07.640 don't like snow. Right, How how do they turn out? Did you 30 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:09.520 see him? They done pulled out the ground yet, I don't know, 31 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:14.479 We'll see, we'll see. I played around with one a little bit when 32 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.879 it was a little bit too green, frankly, and so I felt it 33 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.080 kind of crack. I said, Oh, this isn't quite done yet, 34 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:22.759 so I'm gonna wait. But we got ten of them in various conditions and 35 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:27.000 even did a test run on one with no snow wax whatsoever, just to 36 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.680 see what that would turn out like. Cool. Yeah, because it was 37 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:32.719 pretty shallow snow. I mean there's about six or eight inches on the ground 38 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:37.000 here, which is weird because Portland and Gresham Is I think got like twelve 39 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.960 or fourteen inches. We got less than native for some reason. But it'll 40 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:45.879 be interesting because there's the snow wasn't very thick as mostly on ice. And 41 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:47.919 I'll tell you, man, it was a big mountain lion. Cool y. 42 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.439 We followed it for a while, but we realized, may maybe this 43 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.840 isn't do Do you follow a mountain lion? I don't know. Maybe do 44 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.120 maybe don't. I think we had a record snow here in the last day 45 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.000 and a half on the coast, right. Yeah, it down blasts. 46 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:04.280 I mean like we went up to Trinidad and we were the only people walking 47 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.400 around. Like we went to Trinidad Head and Patrick's Flint State Parkers. I 48 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.000 do a little walking around hiking, and we didn't see anyone. I was 49 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:14.319 like, it's just killer. Others like the surface pumping huge. It was 50 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:19.319 windy, like, there was sleet and snow coming down hail sideways. It 51 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.759 was awesome. Well that's pretty neat, man, that's pretty neat. I'd 52 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:24.560 be down there actually at the dinner next month. Oh you are, yeah, 53 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.000 passing through I think, uh, Melissa, are going to take a 54 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.159 few days to drive down. But a really good friend of mine died unfortunately. 55 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:36.759 Oh right, yeah, Tumbleweed. He died, so his services on 56 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.439 the first of April and Sebasti Pole. So we're gonna be headed down there, 57 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:42.800 and we're gonna take like maybe two or three days to get down there 58 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.599 and just you know, take a little bit time for ourselves because too often 59 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:47.879 if I'm out of town, it's for work, you know, and even 60 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:52.560 if Melissa is with me, which I prefer um we have, there's no 61 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.680 time to really do anything. So we're looking at maybe staying up at Klamaths 62 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.919 one night, or we looked at those the Elk cabins at the Redwoods. 63 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:01.879 I'm not sure about that one because a little bit expensive, but we'll see. 64 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:05.080 Oh menal cabins there, that's the best place you can say we might 65 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:09.400 have a counter right where you're staying. Yeah, were we stayed there with 66 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.800 the Animal Planet people? Yeah, yeah, that was good times. But 67 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.720 Q and A Day already it's my favorite podcast of the month. Not that 68 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.519 I don't enjoy the other ones, of course, but I enjoy these because 69 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:23.120 we don't know what's coming. It's easy scheduling. It is easy scheduling. 70 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.839 It's hard enough with both of our schedules, but when a guest is involved, 71 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.839 it becomes more complicated. Yeah, we're gonna que up the Q and 72 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:32.360 A. You got a lot of voicemails? Are gonna last time? I 73 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.600 have a lot of written ones. This time it's gonna be all voicemails, 74 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:38.759 Q the Q and A. That's que to the second power plus A. 75 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.160 Yeah, all right, Cliff, take the first one. All right, 76 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.279 here we go. Here's the first voicemail. Let's hear it. Hey, 77 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:49.920 Cliff from Bobo. This is Tim Winter from North Carolina. Got an interesting 78 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:58.560 either proposal or question. Since Bobo has several death reports, it might be 79 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:02.199 good to see if you could get Paul McCartney on with you to share your 80 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:08.560 experience about these fake I Am Dead reports. Anyhow, I think that would 81 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.319 be cool if you could get him to be on your show, Keep It 82 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.319 Squatchy. But would you have any connections to the Beatles at all? Can 83 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.839 we make that happen a little bit? I know Sean Lennon's a fan and 84 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.480 Yoko they're fans. Yeah, I used to watch the show, No kidding. 85 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.360 How'd you find that out? Because my buddy plays guitar for the Sean 86 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:30.399 Lennon band. Oh okay, well there's a connection, I guess. Yeah. 87 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:31.839 I guess Sean Lennon would know Paul McCartney. So I guess that'd be 88 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:38.399 one because Sea Hags plays guitar with them, So I call Sea Hagan's only 89 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.639 two degrees away. Yeah, that's not that bad. I was thinking the 90 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.720 only way, Like I have a jam set. I go to a jam 91 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:48.160 session where sometimes Michael Jackson's guitar player shows up, and I bet you she 92 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:53.079 knows Paul McCartney has played with the Missing I don't know that. That seems 93 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:57.079 like a long shot to me, So mister Winner, Tim Tim Winner here. 94 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.399 I think it's a long shot, though I don't know. I there's 95 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.480 something we can do with that. Well, how do we do this? 96 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.319 Paul McCartney, Sir Paul McCartney, I know you're listening out there somewhere. 97 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:10.079 I know you're you're probably a big fan of Big Put Them Beyond. We'll 98 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:13.839 check our Patreon to see if you're a member. If you're listening, feel 99 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.079 free to reach out to us and suggest you as a guest. I mean, 100 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:18.680 we're happy to have you on at anytime. Big fan of your music. 101 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:23.399 I think you're pretty brilliant. You have a wonderful pop sensibility. You're 102 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.160 a great bass player. Why don't you come on the show. Would be 103 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.360 a lot of fun to have you. Well, you know, mister McCartney, 104 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.800 if you are listening, we'll make it worth your while. We'll give 105 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.879 you up to seventy five US dollars for coming on the podcast. I can't 106 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.480 turn that down. Yeah, you know what, Bobs, let's go big 107 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:41.519 Man, hundred bucks. Jeez, yeah, exactly. Put a couple zeros 108 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:44.040 behind that. Huh. How do you like that, mister McCartney, He 109 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.639 likes it. It'd be wonderful to have you, big fan. Okay, 110 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.439 let's shot. The second guy's got to say, who's this, Hey, 111 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:55.360 Clifton Bobo. My name is rick Y Army and I'm calling you from Ridgefield, 112 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.680 Connecticut. I'm a huge fan of the podcast and have never missed an 113 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:04.879 episode. My question to you is this, did your parents and siblings share 114 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:11.920 your belief in the existence of Sasquatch and if so, what did they do 115 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:20.000 to encourage you to continue your exploration and research in proving his existence and sharing 116 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:26.279 your results with the world. Keep up the great work. You guys are 117 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.160 amazing. Thank you. I didn't really get much support from well, my 118 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.240 younger brother he's into it, but he's not into it, into it he 119 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.759 knows they're around. And then my older brother thinking gives it two thoughts. 120 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:39.879 Well, what did your parents think of it as you're growing up, as 121 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:46.560 you developed this interest, they weren't too encouraging. No, no, they 122 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.199 are still. It became like a job making money on TV. They thought 123 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.079 that was cool. But part of that it was a little embarrassing for him. 124 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.399 Well, they always seemed to be encouraging about it when I was around. 125 00:07:57.480 --> 00:07:59.560 I mean, because I knew you long before the TV show, and 126 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.279 I knew your parents then as well. But they didn't shun me or anything 127 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.800 like that. There's glass of normal king over for once. No, that's 128 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.519 right, I keep forgetting I'm the most normal person in your life. Yeah, 129 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:13.680 doesn't bode well for you. Man. Or they were like they were 130 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.040 like they were talking about her friends, like yeah, and then his friends 131 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.279 a school teacher and he's the nicest guy, you know, he was trust 132 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.079 normally and spoke well. And they were like talking about that like it was 133 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.120 looking a miracle. Well, you know, um, my envelope does look 134 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.919 pretty plain from the outside, but the contents are a little abnormal. I'll 135 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.519 say that, but you know, my parents didn't. My brother doesn't really 136 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.000 care. He thought it was super cool. I was on TV and yeah, 137 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.320 bigfoots, Yeah, maybe they're real, maebe and they're not cliffs A 138 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.080 weird guy is and I frankly, the Cliff's a weird guy perspective really pervaded 139 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:52.519 the family perspective for a long time, but my parents didn't think much of 140 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:56.200 it. Honestly, until one summer. I was probably off a few bobes 141 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.600 because this is when I was teaching and I still lived down in Long Beach. 142 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:01.279 I was off doing my big foot stuff during the summer, and I 143 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.000 think my parents, well, they were they were very active in their church, 144 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.200 you know, Um, down there and lost Coadi's Diagonal and Studebaker where 145 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.759 those two things come together, that's where they go to. That's where they 146 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.559 went to church down there, and they would sing in the choir, and 147 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.960 that was side their social circles as well, you know, as as it 148 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.200 is for a lot of people. They go to church and that that's a 149 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.480 social thing. And they were out there one time and one of their friends 150 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.120 said, well, what's Cliff doing right now? And they said something to 151 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.879 the effect of, well, he's out doing one of these big foot things. 152 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.879 And then one of their friends says, oh, I saw a sasquatch 153 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.399 once. And then my parents went what, especially my dad, but they 154 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:41.960 went like what, and she says, oh, yeah, I saw one 155 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.759 up by the trees of mystery. I was walking on the side of the 156 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.440 road. I saw with my grandson and blah blah blah, and and I 157 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.480 interviewed her later about that, and sure enough, I believe she saw one. 158 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.240 But my parents said, well, I've known you for twenty years or 159 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.879 fifteen or twenty years. She was married to a retired admiral from the navy. 160 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.080 And that's where the page turned, at least from my dad my mom, 161 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.440 I think of and something to her too. But for my dad in 162 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.080 particular, went from Cliffs a weird kid. I hope he has luck in 163 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:09.120 his life and he can do something normal too. Well, maybe Cliff's doing 164 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.240 something that's actually kind of cool and of interest and maybe even important. Both 165 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.799 my parents really encouraged me to do whatever I was interested in, no matter 166 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.960 what the job, as long as I did it and loved it and was 167 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.360 doing what I wanted to do. They were one hundred percent behind me. 168 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.159 And the fact that I was interested in science meant a lot to my dad. 169 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:31.080 I mean my dad was He bought me my first telescope that I still 170 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.080 have, like an eight inch Mead smit cast grain telescope is on the garage. 171 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.279 Yeah. So my dad was always very encouraging, and when he found 172 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.799 out sasquatches are real through his friend who had actually seen one, he was 173 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.279 even more encouraging than before, which is a hard thing to do because my 174 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:52.159 dad was a saint in lots and lots of ways. Your parents were great. 175 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.240 Yeah, they were fantastic. I miss them tremendously. About the next 176 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.919 question, Hey, Cliff and Bobo loved the podcast. My name is Ryan 177 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:05.240 from British Columbia. I wonder what your thoughts are on the supposed Jaco capture 178 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.879 of a sasquation near the LBC in the eighteen eighties. Is there any truth 179 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.320 Twitter? Do you think it's a complete hoax? Thanks? I thought we 180 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.559 went over that whole thing on the show with John Kirk about is BS. 181 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.679 Well, what do you think it is? I don't think it's real. 182 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:22.840 As much as it pains me to say, this is one of my favorite 183 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.039 stories of all time, it appears that it's not real at all. Do 184 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:33.720 you think it's not real because it was too fanciful or too weird? Or 185 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.519 why do you think it's not real? Because there was no other mentions of 186 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.279 it, like the conductor, you know, pooh poot it. Later on, 187 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.919 when John Kirk went and sessed it all out, it was total BS. 188 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.159 Yeah. I understand that a couple of the BC folks, John Kirk 189 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.200 is one of them, maybe Steamberg or Murphy was along with them. I'm 190 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.200 not sure they came to the conclusion that this thing has to be fake, 191 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:58.840 and I don't know what they based it on. I mean, maybe it's 192 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.879 time to have John back and we could just talk about that too. That'd 193 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:07.000 be kind of a fun episode getting deep into the Jocko mythology. But I 194 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.919 got to wonder if there was nothing to it. I mean, an awful 195 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:11.559 lot of newspapers picked it up, and of course that was very much more 196 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.519 common back in the eighteen eighties. I don't know, I guess said multiple 197 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:22.360 newspapers picking up it isn't necessarily pro or against the story. But if there 198 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:26.879 was nothing to it, where what was the basis? What was the seed 199 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.879 of that? Because as far as just like random made up journalism, why 200 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.360 would it be an animal that does exist that is generally not thought of as 201 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.759 existing. I know Krantz put a little bit of faith into it and tried 202 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.679 to tie up some loose ends with the sort of thing. A quick look 203 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:48.039 at Wikipedia, it's labeled the Jacko Hoax. I read through it pretty quick 204 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.120 here, but it doesn't say why it was proven to be a hoax. 205 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.600 It just says that it was proven to be a hoax. Then I gotta 206 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:56.600 wonder, like, well, why is the thing that? But that's what 207 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.600 I would like to know, because this is one of those lingering things in 208 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.559 Bigfoot. Is it or is not? We'll probably never know for sure, 209 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.000 but a lot of people have made up their mind, which is okay, 210 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:09.240 maybe it is probably is a hoax. That's the state of journalism in the 211 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.600 late eighteen hundreds. In eighteen nineties, they had lower faith in the press 212 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.399 than they do nowadays. Oh, that's hard to believe. Very sure. 213 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.320 Yeah, there's not nuts. It is nuts, that it's totally nuts. 214 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.279 But I would I would still like to know why, you know, because 215 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.440 you know, I'll tell you the London tracks are a hoax, and when 216 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.320 somebody asks me why, I'll tell you why. It's not just a gut 217 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:35.399 feeling I have. There's actual factual reasons behind it. Then too often I've 218 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:39.159 heard that, oh that's a hoax, and the whys have not panned out 219 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.639 either. They're kind of ethereal and hard to hard to really pin down on 220 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:48.159 it an actual fact or it's just false advertising, like in the case of 221 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.039 Freeman, where a Freeman admitted to his stuff was hoax. No he didn't, 222 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.480 that's false that that that's not true at all. So again, I'm 223 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:58.000 more than willing to say I'm not grabbing on say no, no, it's 224 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.320 real, it's real. I'm saying I don't know. But these people who 225 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.159 do know, I would really like to know why. Yeah, he'll break 226 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.720 it down for you when when you get through the whole thing with him, 227 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.600 it's like no doubt that yeah, if that's bs, Yeah, I'd like 228 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:15.879 to find out a little bit more, mostly because it's such an intriguing case 229 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.320 and as part of the historic stuff. You know, yeah, we got 230 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.559 him back now, we had him on our episode again, episode of forty 231 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:24.639 three, if everybody wants to go back and listen. Didn't he also say 232 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.639 that Albert Ausman is almost certainly hoax. Well, see, that's where I 233 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.440 disagreed on that with him for sure, because his stuff then was the geography 234 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:35.679 of the whole situation. I think, yeah, Sandy, so I could 235 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.840 see them vall came out from there and stuff. I was like, that's 236 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:41.879 but everything else to his story checks out really well for me, and that 237 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.759 there was all kinds of things saying like why it was true too, like 238 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.120 other people who are saying, oh, yeah, he told me that twenty 239 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.240 years before. Yeah, it'd be interesting to dig a little deeper in some 240 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:52.559 of that stuff. And I know there's a whole book written on Jocko. 241 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:58.039 Chris Murphy kind of dug the depths and produced a small little pamphlet about it. 242 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:00.639 I'm not more than a pamphlet. It's a small book has kept me 243 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:03.279 more than like six or eighty pages. So it's one of those things. 244 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:05.120 So I don't know if that helps at all, Ryan from BC, I 245 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.960 hope it does. But you know what's interesting is that I know that the 246 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.360 guys went out. The guys and then and again I think this is a 247 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:15.799 Steinberg Murphy and John Kirk. I think some are all of those people were 248 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.240 there. They went out and actually found the train tunnel that all this supposedly 249 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:22.200 happened at. So that kind of stuff checks out. These places do exist, 250 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:28.440 and of course Yale exists, um, and the description fits and all 251 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.840 that sort of stuff. So it's it's a neat thing, even if it's 252 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:33.440 not real, it's a kind of a cool thing. And I know that 253 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.320 if i'm next time i'm up in BC, i'd like to go see that 254 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.480 particular tunnel. I think that'd be cool. I'd like to go see the 255 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.559 Ruby Creek house. It's gone. Oh I thought the house was still there. 256 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.200 Um, I heard it was gone. Oh, the cabin's gone, 257 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.840 Okay, but the property is still there. Yeah, that property is still 258 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.600 there. And then that tunnel, Yeah, it's it's a it's not easy 259 00:15:54.720 --> 00:16:00.279 to that tunnel. That the tunnel that think there's tunnel four, isn't it. 260 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:02.799 I don't know. I have my head nine, but I don't know. 261 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:04.200 I could be wrong. I can't I can't remember never. I just 262 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:07.799 started looking from up above. I was at the fireball. We were driving 263 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.159 out there and we it was it was way down that it was like called 264 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:18.639 supernarly like broken up shale, like slidy rock, and it was way down 265 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.120 the mountain. You have to go, you have to you'd access it. 266 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.360 I think. Yeah. I walked from the west side then walk along the 267 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.279 tracks for quite a ways. Yeah. I think they said it was like 268 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.840 a couple of mile walk along the railroad tracks to get there. Yeah. 269 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:34.679 That reminds me of that Finding Bigfoot episode in North Carolina, I think it 270 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:38.519 or oh yeah, yeah, the one where my brother was out with us 271 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.639 and you had who did you have? It? Is that? But yeah, 272 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.399 and it was so cold and then um moneymaker wanted to walk through that 273 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.240 train tunnel and you guys walked through the train tunnel. He was like, 274 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.159 no, there's no train on these tracks. He's have been abandoned for years, 275 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.879 and twenty thirty minutes later, if a train comes barreling down the track, 276 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:59.399 you guys would have been killed. Well, the other thing was that 277 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.919 what it was crazy about the train coming through was as it rumbled through, 278 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:08.480 there was all those salactites of ice hanging from the roof of the tunnel. 279 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:14.160 And as the train rumbled through and shook the shook everything, all those big 280 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:18.440 heavy, like three four foots icicles just you know, weighing like thirty pounds, 281 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.720 all came dropping down from like forty feet up, just like bombs, 282 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:26.799 just shattering everywhere. Like if we'd have been in there, we'd have been 283 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.000 so like we wouldn't have got hit by it, but all the all the 284 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.920 falling icicles could have got us pretty good. Oh man, can you imagine 285 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.240 just being like two feet away from a train barreling at that speed, like 286 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:38.680 because you would have to like hug the wall, but practically not to be 287 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.960 bowled over by it would horrifying. It would have been gnarly the best part 288 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.960 of these tracks. He looked, because he looked at it, He goes, 289 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:48.119 he looked at him, kind of splitted his eyes. He goes, 290 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:53.000 they have been used in fifteen years or more. Yeah, whoops, that's 291 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:57.680 an important judgment to make at that point. I think that's like I was, 292 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.359 like, I looked at the tracks and had it in fifteen years. 293 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:04.920 You know. Of course I've been horrifying that just the thought that you could 294 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.559 be it could have been inside there and stuff. And then you think, 295 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:14.599 imagine the intensity of the infrasound generated by a train a foot and a half 296 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.240 away from you. Oh man, yeah, that that doesn't like make you 297 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:19.400 crap your pants. I talked about the brown noe. Man. I don't 298 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.599 know what would it probably wouldn't be the infrasonic frequencies. It would just be 299 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.599 the situation. Well, I got stuck. I got stuck on a bridge 300 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:32.160 trestle down at San Clemente, going down to trestles on the actual train trestles. 301 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:36.640 We had one of those amtrack. Is this a Bigfoot story time? 302 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:38.519 I'm smelling no, no, no. It just came by. We jumped 303 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:44.799 down on the side and my one buddy lost his surfpart because the you know, 304 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.839 the like the air pressure like as it goes buyer. Yeah, like 305 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.000 it just sucked his board up out of his arms. If you weren't holding 306 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.759 out of it tight. You could lose your board. His board got sucked 307 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.960 away from him, got dinged up. The trains are dangerous. So once 308 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.640 again, Ryan, I hope we answered your question. I'm not so sure 309 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.559 we did, but we absolutely spoke about it for a while, and sometimes 310 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.079 we can do or the most we can do. Yeah, we may not 311 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.119 be able to answer your question, but gosh Darnett, we're going to talk 312 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.880 about it for a while. That's something. 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It delivers 328 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:23.519 four times better overall CBD absorption and has been proven in multiple clinical studies. 329 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:30.720 Go to nextevo dot com slash podcast and use promo code bigfoot to get twenty 330 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:36.559 percent off your first order of forty dollars or more. That's twenty percent off 331 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:45.359 forty dollars or more at n e xtevo dot com slash podcast with the code 332 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.240 Bigfoot. Why don't we go to the next voicemail by guys. This is 333 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:53.599 Connie calling from Illinois, and I apologize if you've had this question before. 334 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:59.839 So I'm wondering if you guys think that there's a breeding season for bigfoots or 335 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:04.599 if they can reproduce any time of year like humans. Secondarily, I'm wondering 336 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:10.519 what you think the gtation period might be for a mother carrying a baby big 337 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:14.519 Foot, and what you think the average size of a baby big Foot would 338 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.880 be when it's born. Thanks guys, Huh, Well, I think all 339 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:22.720 of those questions might be answered best with we don't know, but we have 340 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.240 some thoughts. Um. It turns out that I don't think any ape really 341 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:33.319 has a breeding season. I know that some come into you know, reception 342 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.359 so to speak, um, periodically, but I don't think there's like, 343 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:41.279 you know, between September and December, is when when when this particular ape 344 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.799 species gets it on. I don't think that's the case at all. I 345 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:48.440 think it's it's a matter of when particular females might be receptive. Um. 346 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:53.759 And so I don't think that there would be a breeding season for sasquatches, 347 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:59.400 although one would have to consider what would be considering you know, sasquatches live 348 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:02.680 in a much hard sure environment in some ways as far as like temperature and 349 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:04.880 all that sort of stuff. Then the other apes that we know of the 350 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:10.480 extant apes, so you'd have to kind of wonder when is the most opportune 351 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:15.720 season for a newborn sasquatch to be born. I think that would probably I'm 352 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.839 guessing that. I don't know. What do you think about that, Bob? 353 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:21.960 I would think at the very end of winter would probably be the best 354 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.200 time for them to be born, because they could survive on their mother's milk 355 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:27.400 for a month or a couple of months and then start eating other types of 356 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:32.200 food and that's and of course in spring is when more of those foods would 357 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.559 be available. So do you have any thoughts on that. That's what it 358 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.240 feels like to me, Elea, It's like late winter, early's spring, 359 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.000 because that's the beginning of the fruitful time for the rest of the year, 360 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.720 and they could always survive on mother's milk, which that probably has a high 361 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.039 fat content, and sasquatches don't seem to have too much trouble getting food no 362 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.119 matter what the season. That or that's my thought. What do you think 363 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:57.480 the two birth stars I heard about them were like late spring, But I 364 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:00.519 don't know if they're you know, that's just what I was told, right, 365 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.079 Well, yeah, so apparently apes have a gestation period of about eight 366 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:07.720 or nine months or so on. I mean, like I just did a 367 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.480 quick search here, So Bonobo's two hundred forty days, chimpanzees two hundred and 368 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.200 forty three days, you know, So it's it's it's not that much of 369 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:19.039 a big difference here, you know. So let's just say eight or nine 370 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.359 months, maybe ten, if you know, for whatever reason, say nine 371 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.119 months like humans, give or take a little bit, So nine months before 372 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:29.920 I don't know what, March maybe maybe that's a good time to be born 373 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.519 because things start melting away. But then again and higher in like more northerly 374 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.799 climates, maybe that's a little bit later. And as far as the size, 375 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:41.880 well, ape babies tend to be very, very small, and um 376 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.000 i'd say about the same size as a human baby, although human babies have 377 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:49.279 bigger heads than most the other ape species, all the other ape species when 378 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.440 they're born, so that that has something to do with it as well, 379 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.119 I suppose. But yeah, so tiny little things. I mean, they're 380 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.680 not like you know, kangaroo babies or something. They're like like human babies, 381 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.440 maybe a little smaller, maybe a little bigger somewhere in there, probably 382 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.640 a smaller head proportionately to the side of the body because the smaller brain case. 383 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:12.200 There. Gestation periods probably about nine months, and breeding season probably not. 384 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:17.039 Apes don't breed season like yearly. Really, no ape does. I 385 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:21.839 mean chimpanzees, for example, they breed every one to five years. I 386 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:26.200 think for orangutans is like something once every six years. I could be wrong 387 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.119 about that, but yeah, there's a there's this period of time where they 388 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:33.359 don't have babies because they have to raise the baby they already have. Humans 389 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.359 could be an exception, you know, we can, we could keep pumping 390 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.160 them out yearly if you really wanted to. But at the same time, 391 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:41.519 the other ape species just don't do it that way because they have a baby 392 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:45.079 they have to take care of already, and that's probably very demanding on their 393 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.680 resources. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't think it would be a seasonal 394 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.799 sort of thing to my in my head at least, you know. But 395 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.200 again, I think big boots are pretty good at this sort of stuff, 396 00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.480 and Betty good to stand alive and finding food and having the resources they need 397 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.759 and whatever, So they probably don't need to be strategic in that sort of 398 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.359 way, other than perhaps missing the depths of winter when the food would be 399 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.400 by far the most scarce. Well, okay, you second that motion. 400 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:15.359 If Bobo agrees with me, I must be right. Everyone says, yeah, 401 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:23.119 exactly. Bobo knows all right. Well, Connie, I hope that 402 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:27.079 answers your question. But again, even if it doesn't, we talked about 403 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.200 it for a while. There you go, there you go. Why don't 404 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:33.079 we have the next question and we can talk about that one for a while, 405 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:37.319 high Cliff and Bobo. I met a young man who lives in Sumatra 406 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:44.079 who claims to see Orain Pindex every day, and I suggest to him that 407 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.319 he pulled some hair to try and get DNA. I couldn't think of anything 408 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.559 better. What are your thoughts love the show? Well, thank you whoever 409 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.640 you are. We appreciate that you love the show. How about a photograph? 410 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.799 That would be a I think that's a good good way to go because, 411 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.839 based on my time in Sumatra, most people down there have cell phones, 412 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.359 which I found very astonishing. By the way, the little side paragraph 413 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.160 here, I'm I'm hiking right, I'm going to uh Gooden tuju Um, 414 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.960 which is that lake that I paddled across and backpacked into in Sumatra, like 415 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:18.960 five miles uphill. And you know, it's also a place where like young 416 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.519 people go for ragular hikes and stuff. It was kind of cool and even 417 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.839 at the top up there, you know, five miles in um there's a 418 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.599 bunch of teenagers, sixteen seventeen year olds with cell phones. And I'm thinking, 419 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:34.319 these these people living in Sumatra, you know, and out hiking me 420 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:37.160 and I've got hiking boots and they wearing flip flops and stuff. Um, 421 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.920 just shaming me, essentially, these young people, and they're taking pictures with 422 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:45.079 us because they don't see. Adam Davies and I sat down with a bunch 423 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.039 and we have a bunch of pictures with these folks from Simatra taking pictures with 424 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.119 us, um because we looked unusual to them, you know. So they 425 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.880 were taking pictures and they were astonished. They all have cell phones? Are 426 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.720 they pann two hundred bucks a month? It was like yeah, it was 427 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.599 unlimited everything, talk, texts, all this and that for like eight dollars. 428 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.720 And they were getting reception. Yeah, they're getting reception. And then 429 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:12.920 the depths of Sumatra and this tiger preserve on the top, and I'm thinking 430 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.079 something is wrong, Something is wrong with us, because we think that this 431 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:22.599 is an acceptable thing to get crappy reception and have to pay so much money 432 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.000 for it. I don't understand. But anyway, let's get back to the 433 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:32.000 question. Sorry, orange pendex grabbing a hair off a wild ape might be 434 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.240 very difficult and dangerous. So if maybe if the if this range pendeck that 435 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.759 this person is claiming to see, which I kind of doubt. I mean, 436 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.240 you know, you know orange pendex are I think they're absolutely real animals, 437 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.680 of course, but they have They can't be more common than say, 438 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:51.200 orangutans, and even when you're in the territory of an orangutan, you don't 439 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.839 see them every day. In fact, I read something a few years ago, 440 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:57.480 and my numbers might be a little squishy, but they're approximately right. 441 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:03.839 These orangutans and researchers did like a five year study or something in an orangutan 442 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.640 sanctuary area, not a sanctuary where they're like acclimated to humans or anything, 443 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.319 and I think they had something like seven or eight sightings. Yeah, maybe 444 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.400 it wasn't five years, maybe it's five or eight months or something. But 445 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.519 still they practically never saw these things, and I would expect the ring pendeck 446 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.960 to be about the same. But if they if this guy does see a 447 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:30.039 ring pendeck occasionally and saw that it was scratching its back or something. Then, 448 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.720 yeah, hair would be cool. Hair would be really cool. But 449 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.160 why not just start with a picture because they probably this person probably has a 450 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.480 cell phone or access to a camera. Or how about a footprints we can 451 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.240 compare them to the other examples we have in the data set. How about 452 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.519 footprints, I think that would be a good way to start, and you 453 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.400 know, plasters relatively cheap over there. Even pictures of the footprints afterwards, 454 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.359 or pictures of the footprints in the ground would be very telling. There's a 455 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.680 lot of ways to approach this, but getting a hair off of a wild 456 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.559 ape would probably be very, very dangerous because the rain pendex Yeah, they're 457 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.559 called small men or ring means man or human, and then pandeck means small 458 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.480 because they're short five or three to three to five feet tall, But there's 459 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.640 still a lot stronger than pretty much any human. You know, look at 460 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.880 look at chimpanzees. They're about the same size, and they can they can 461 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.160 literally rip your arm out. Yeah, I'd be very cautious about approaching an 462 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.079 ring pendeck if I were this person, if he's even telling the truth, 463 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.799 and when people tell me they say bigfoots every day. I don't believe them. 464 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.759 When people say they see a ring pendex every day, I don't really 465 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.279 believe them. Heck, if you told me you saw bears every day, 466 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.440 I probably wouldn't believe you either, you know, even though that's much more 467 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.559 reasonable and you can bait them and they can come in and feed on your 468 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:47.279 trash and stuff, but still every day. Yeah, even if they say 469 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.680 they hear them everyday, I don't believe. Of course people exaggerate. Maybe 470 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.359 they hear them once a week. Maybe that's more reasonable. I don't know. 471 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.319 They might be around a lot more. And frankly, the way these 472 00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.880 things roll, I mean, all of these unknown apes species, they're probably 473 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.000 around a lot more than people realize. Oh for sure. Yeah. I 474 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:07.640 was talking to a long term witness just yesterday, actually, who's a listener 475 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.559 to the program, So hello to you, you know who you are. 476 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.599 And this gentleman was saying to me, it's like, for as often as 477 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.799 we see them around the house or are aware of them, hear them and 478 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.400 do all these sort of things, they must be around just so much more 479 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.559 that we just never know about. And I think that's probably the way all 480 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:30.240 of these ape species would roll, including a ring pindex. Yeah, I 481 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.039 think so, and again that Bobo agrees with me. I must be right. 482 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:38.640 Everyone says, well, there you go, whoever you are asking questions 483 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.920 about a ring pindex. All right, let's listen to the next question. 484 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.200 Now, hey, Cliff, Bob's done here from Southwest Florida by way of 485 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.359 Squatch of Choosts. I've got a really fun question for you guys. If 486 00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.839 you, guys were skeptics, now put on your skeptic cat for five minutes. 487 00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:59.240 What would your top three reasons for Bigfoot not to exist? Also, 488 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:04.000 thank you for again vastly entertaining theme song that's upbeat. Every other big Foot 489 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:10.640 podcast has this depressing, overly dramatic intro that's quite frankly aren't to listen to. 490 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.880 Thanks again, guys, appreciate all the entertainment and looking forward to your 491 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.519 ansom. First of all, thank you for the theme song compliment. We 492 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.720 do appreciate that, and well I do that pro It certainly loves it because 493 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.880 he's the one who wrote it and performed it. That was nice. But 494 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.119 Doug from Southwest Florida by means of squatcha Chusetts nice name dropping there by the 495 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.920 way, We love it. When squatcha Chusetts gets a call out, because 496 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.000 they're a great group, some of the best investigators out in that part of 497 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.359 the country, and certainly the best in the Massachusetts. No offense to all 498 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.079 the other ones, but we have our favorites. But anyway, if we 499 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.920 were skeptics, what would be that driving force? Well, I guess ignorance 500 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.519 of the data would probably be my first one. Ignorance of the actual evidence 501 00:31:53.640 --> 00:32:00.079 that is coherent and congruent. That would have to be the driving factor for 502 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.680 me personally, because I'm an evidence based researcher. I like basing things on 503 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.319 the evidence that I can personally weigh or have can understand and wrap my head 504 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:15.240 around. So I would have to have ignored or been unaware of the evidence, 505 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:20.759 particularly the footprint cast evidence and the other the other cast I hand prints 506 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.960 and that sort of thing. Yeah, so I think that would have to 507 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.000 be the driving factor as far. I think the media wouldn't help at all 508 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.640 either because the media what they put out there all the time, or the 509 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:34.799 hoaxes and the dubious encounters, like somebody said this and here's a video that 510 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.920 looks very very fake. You know that the very very fake part would be 511 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.000 in parentheses there because they don't show a lot of the good stuff that's out 512 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:45.000 there. They just show the stuff that looks ridiculous. So the hoaxes and 513 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:54.079 the bad press and and the bad logic of since there are hoaxes, everything 514 00:32:54.319 --> 00:33:00.480 is a hoax, which is what most skeptic books go to. The books 515 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.119 love to point out the ivan marks stuff or these other busted hoaxes and and 516 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:10.200 say and as if that's proof for all of the sidings and footprints and photographs 517 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.960 and videos, and I wouldn't encounters. All those have to be fake because 518 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.519 this one or two thing, these one or two things are fake. It 519 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.319 seems to me like bad logic. It's it's like saying that these one or 520 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:27.519 two people are total assholes, therefore all people are assholes, or these one 521 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.480 or two people are saints, and therefore all people are saints. You know, 522 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.720 that's the same logic. It doesn't make any sense. So for me, 523 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.440 that's I guess that's what it would have to be. What about you, 524 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:38.920 bobo, that there's not one in a zoo? Do you think that 525 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.640 would be the thing like like that that they haven't that we don't have a 526 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.119 body like which is the thing that all skeptics can to hang their hat on. 527 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.759 Yeah, it is the kind of the thing behind it all, which 528 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:52.799 is a perplexing for us people who are in the know. We know big 529 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.400 foots are real, and why why isn't this that? Why has this not 530 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:59.200 been done yet? And there are good reasons for it, but at the 531 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.480 end of the day, it could have been done. It could have been 532 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.200 done several times people have killed these things. Yeah, it's just unfortunate no 533 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.159 one ever did the follow through on it. Amen, Amen, I guess, 534 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:10.880 but yeah, no one. They're real. It's like I don't spend 535 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.840 much time worrying about what's the best I think for them not being there. 536 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.159 Yeah. It is an interesting question though, because it gets us out of 537 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.239 our own mindset, which is always a good exercise. True. True, 538 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.239 what's our next question? I don't know yet. We'll see. Hey, 539 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.679 Cliff and Bobo, this is Andy Eastern in London, England. I wondered 540 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:37.519 what your thoughts were on how many different species or subspecies of big foot there 541 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.880 are in North America. Chase, guys. Oh, I love when we 542 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.800 get listeners from the UK or anywhere outside of the US, not that we 543 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.519 don't love the US, of course, but like to know that we have 544 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.400 an international reaches. It is a crumbling thing. It's kind of I just 545 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:57.320 saw we charted in Albania, India. Oh that's cool. That's cool. 546 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.000 We welcome to all of our listeners no matter where you are on this planet 547 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.719 or elsewhere. That's really cool. Really appreciate that. But as far as 548 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:08.920 the question goes number of subspecies of sasquatches in North America, he said that, 549 00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:12.719 so we have to address that. So what do you think, Bobo, 550 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.239 Well, I mean the footprint unless some of those three tracks don't be 551 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:21.199 you know, real or something, but all the footprint data points to there's 552 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.039 being one. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think there's one. 553 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:29.480 I think there's one species here in North America and probably the same species 554 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.639 and throughout South America as well. That's my guess. Could be wrong with 555 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.440 the South America thing because things do diverge over time. But if these things 556 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.000 have only been in North America for maybe fifteen or twenty or even fifty thousand 557 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.079 years, that may not be enough time for a lot of evolution to happen 558 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.119 as far as subspecies and stuff. Maybe it is maybe it is. Yeah, 559 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.320 I would say there's one in North America. Just because people report different 560 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:58.239 colors of the animals or different temperaments or behaviors of the animals, those things 561 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.519 do not make a new species. The species thing is kind of based on 562 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.559 what can interbreed from an understand like the technical definition of species. But um, 563 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.159 you know, bobo and I are the same species, you know, 564 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:13.320 theoretically, and we look and act very different, you know, but that 565 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.760 doesn't make a new species. So I would say there's one in North America. 566 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:20.400 But let's let's expand on this question. What about worldwide, Bobo? 567 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:25.440 What do you think? Well, I think worldwide there's gotta be I think 568 00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:30.159 at least, you know, like six okay, so what do you think 569 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.280 they are? Though? It's a sasquatch, right, sasquatch. And then 570 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:37.440 like the brown jacks down in uh down in Australia and you got them, 571 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:44.159 was it lejoa or lejo Yeah? Yeah, yeah, from Flores. Now 572 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:49.559 I think those are the same. I think homols is the that species that 573 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.519 I can't remember the name off the top of my head that doctor fourth talked 574 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.239 about. Yeah, I think the brown jacks are relict Homo flusienss um and 575 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.119 that's probably the Ebu Gogo because you know, the Ebu Gogo is on the 576 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:06.119 west side of Flores, and then the Lehou or whatever that was is on 577 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.000 the east side of Flores. It's probably the same thing. Flores is a 578 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:13.599 small place. Oh yeah, it's not big as for sure. Now Doctor 579 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.119 fourth might disagree with me, but that's just my gut feeling. I don't 580 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.280 have a lot of evidence for that. But it's a small I do have 581 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:21.119 evidence that it's a small island, but I don't have evidence that there to 582 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.000 be the same thing or not. But I bet you the Ebu Gogo and 583 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:27.440 the other one are the same one. The O Tang seems to be something 584 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.480 totally different. Yeah, but yeah, my money for the O Tang is 585 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:37.039 it's another Australi epithesne of some sort that seems like one people would argue at 586 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.079 least about about what it would be. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 587 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.880 No, No, what about the yearen I think I think they're a 588 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.599 different thing, really, just because like in the same way that they say 589 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:51.960 black bear American black bears and sun bears are different or or what do you 590 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.679 think? And none of us know so this is all just speculation, of 591 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:58.960 course, but yeah, a lot of it's going off, like Native descriptions 592 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.320 and stuff like that, how they act. The people are on there all 593 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.000 reporter as being like an animal like, no them report them being like a 594 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.199 wild person. Now, now keep in mind now you're basing that on an 595 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.199 indigenous perspective, right, that's some degree the indigenous people that you've spoken to. 596 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.280 Um. Now, Now, something that it occurred to me a while 597 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.639 back, and UM, is that the people of North America had nothing else 598 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:28.400 to compare them to except for they look human like and they're covered in air, 599 00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:30.719 right, so they're wild people or that sort of stuff, a wild 600 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.400 tribe or something. But the people in South America, they have monkeys. 601 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.159 And remember how the indigenous people of South America to describe one of them, 602 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:43.280 at least described to us the sasquatch that here or the mapping guidi that they 603 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.159 saw, was it was like a monkey, but with no tail. And 604 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:51.719 I'm wondering if the reason that they're so anthropomorphized in North America is because there 605 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.039 was nothing else to compare them too. But in China there are there monkeys 606 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:59.039 in China. That's a great point cliff it could very well be true. 607 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.599 And I don't mean need disrespect to any indigenous people who hold that belief that 608 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:05.800 are listening and I want to go with their their tribal and cultural knowledge, 609 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.840 which is totally fine with me. But I'm wondering if that's the case, 610 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.440 because there are no monkeys in North America, I mean, and maybe in 611 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.760 Central America or somewhere, but not not not up here in like Canada for 612 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.519 example, or whatever. Um could that be why the indigenous people here recognize, 613 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.760 oh, that's a human shape thing and and therefore described them as being 614 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:29.440 more humanlike food for thought. Food for thought, I'm chucking on a Clifford 615 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.239 gave me a pretty big bite. Oh good good. That's the least I 616 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.559 can do. And you know what, I know, the Heimlich Now what 617 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.760 about the one? Now? Now, obviously orange Pendex would be another because 618 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.360 if the footprints stuff I have is real, that's that's not that's not a 619 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:51.679 Homo furisiances that's some sort of a probably terrestrial small version of the orangutan or 620 00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.280 something like that. Who knows, right, Yeah, I think yeah, 621 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:58.880 I think bills are definitely different. Yeah, there's at least I think there's 622 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.960 at least five I mean anywhere, I mean four to eight would be I 623 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.800 think he'd be safe and saying something like that, Yeah, see, I 624 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:09.960 would say sasquatch, Yeah, for sure. And I'm going to go as 625 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.400 far as they say sasquatches rain range north and South America and for a big 626 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.039 portion of Asia. So I'm gonna say in subspecies, I don't know, 627 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.280 I don't even know what that. I know there's definitions for that, but 628 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.440 I'm not exactly sure where the cutting line is, like that the cutoff line 629 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.679 is. So I'm just gonna go with sasquatches North and South America, Eastern 630 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:34.559 Asia, and that's Vietnam, that's China, that's a Russia for a lot 631 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:39.280 of it. And I also think that they extend into Indonesia, like Suwalisi 632 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:45.760 has reports of like three meter tall like sasquatch things, and also into Australia. 633 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:51.039 And and I'm even gonna say that sasquatch is probably ranged into the Himalayas 634 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.679 and are responsible for one of the types of yetis that are commonly reported. 635 00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:00.480 But on top of that, we have the little guys Ebaggo, the brown 636 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.840 jacks in Australia, that one on the east, in the east side of 637 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.760 Flores. I think that's probably another one. And then we have a ring 638 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:14.519 pendex And I'm wondering now if a ring pendex come in two sizes, like 639 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.559 there's two subspecies there, because most of the ones are about three to five 640 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.480 feet tall. But there's another one called orange good Dang that almost never gets 641 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.199 mentioned. It has one mentioned, I believe in Sanderson's book. There's a 642 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.920 one book written with them in the title, but it doesn't really have anything 643 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.280 to do with them, particularly has more Mostly it's like a travelog more than 644 00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.719 anything else. But almost almost nobody mentions these things range good dang that they're 645 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:44.199 from a different part of Sumatra. A rang, of course, means man 646 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:49.960 in Indonesian, and good dang in this case means big, So like the 647 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.360 opposite of a ring pendeck small man, it's the big man. And these 648 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.199 things are about five or six feet tall. I would just normally group that 649 00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.000 into the sasquatch category, except that their foot structure is different. They have 650 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.800 an abducted HeLEX and I know that because I have a very small number of 651 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.599 footprint casts from them. In fact, I have one track way because remember 652 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:13.519 I sponsored the Orange Pandec project. And when my guys went to a different 653 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.360 part of Sumatra. This is Dally and those guys down in Somatra, they 654 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:20.280 went to a different part of Somatra. They came back with something that they'd 655 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.119 never heard of. They said, the locals call meranguea dangs and here's a 656 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:28.920 foecasts from the same trackway. And these particular casts are astonishing. They're so 657 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.639 cool. Everyone's different than the last. The toes are in different places, 658 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.000 and it shows a lot of flexibility in their feet with an abducted HeLEX. 659 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.679 It's really really interesting stuff. And then we didn't even mention the almas or 660 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:45.519 the almasty right, so there's those things too. So what did I just 661 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.719 say? Sasquatches, the range pendex, which might have might also be a 662 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.360 range dangs. It's a different size of them brown jacks, you know, 663 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.199 and all those little guys and almastis I have. Oh, and then there's 664 00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.400 probably some stuff in Africa that we have no idea about except for the ting. 665 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.039 So that's five. I've got five. Yeah, I'm willing to say 666 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.239 five is a safe number, and there might be many more, but it's 667 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:08.719 five is a good number to start with. Yeah, I can live with 668 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.119 that, all right. We've come to some sort of agreement. If we 669 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:17.079 can do this, why can't world leaders do this? We're talking about way 670 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:23.360 more important stuff here. Seriously, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with 671 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:32.400 Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages, let's go to 672 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.599 the next question. Good afternoon, Cliff, Bobo, and Matt. Little 673 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:43.039 Day from South Alabama again. Hope everything's going wonderful for y'all's new year. 674 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:49.559 I just finished a book called Lower Alabama big Foot. Author took a trip 675 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.639 to Foulk, Arkansas that he talked about in the book and actually met Smoky 676 00:43:53.719 --> 00:44:00.679 Crabtree at his house. My question for you is in the book he claimed 677 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:05.280 that Smokey showed him his collection of stuff and decided that he was such a 678 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.920 cool guy that he took him back in the barn. And in the barn 679 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:15.480 he said he looked at a body that Smokey Crabtree had. Now in his 680 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:20.000 words, he said, it looked more like a cat missing ahead but laid 681 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:24.360 out on its back. Just wondering. Since y'all new Smokey crab Tree and 682 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:30.360 Lyle Blackburn, so well, is there any validation to this story and if 683 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.800 so, what was it? Thank you very much guys, and loved the 684 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.360 podcast. Yeah, he showed a few people that body out there in the 685 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.360 freezer. Was it a tiger? Right? No, I think it was 686 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.800 a lion. I think it was actually a lion that he got a hold 687 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.280 of somehow. So your your friend there is correct that it was in fact 688 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.840 a big cat. But yeah, it is in fact a cat. I 689 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:57.559 remember him tounting that around, and I remember doctor Meldrom talking about that at 690 00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.000 one point. Smokey he was a big personality. I never met the man. 691 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.440 I wish I did. Well. But did you meet Smoky No? 692 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:07.440 Oh? Yeah, yeah, I know we when we were filming in Foul. 693 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.920 He was he was towards the end of his life and he was too 694 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:16.639 ill to meet with his sad day. But yeah, yeah, Smoky Crabtree 695 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:21.800 was quite the character in a lot of ways. Everything that he did or 696 00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.039 said should always be looked at through skepticals. Doesn't mean he's lying or hoaxing. 697 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:30.079 It just means be skeptical and be open to whatever you find. But 698 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.440 yeah, that there was a lion body at some point that he had and 699 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.360 I don't know why he had a lion. I don't know how he got 700 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.400 a lion. I don't. I mean, it's illegal to have a lions 701 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:44.639 or even a lion body for that matter, I believe, So I don't 702 00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:45.960 know how he got it or what the story is behind that, but I 703 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:51.119 do remember when that was circulating at the time. So, yeah, your 704 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.199 friend is correct, that was a cat. But would you remember anything else 705 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:58.800 about it or anything or do you do remember that right? Yeah? I 706 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:00.199 mean I never saw it, but I I saw photos of it and it 707 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.000 was Yeah, it was a large cat. Smokey is the one guy could 708 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.559 like bs stuff and not get booted out of the community. It's like the 709 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:12.119 superpower. Yeah, it wasn't like it was. It was like his you 710 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:16.119 know, oh he faked, he's out. You know, He's like I 711 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.079 was just Smokey, you know, he got it. That's Smoky. So 712 00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:23.880 he always just got the free pass because he was a cool guy. Yeah. 713 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:31.320 Yeah, he again an amazing um storyteller and quite the quite the personality. 714 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.400 So but um, I'll tell you, I wish I would have met 715 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.360 Smooky crab Tree, but a lot of my friends had the opportunity to do 716 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:40.519 so so I can't. I can just live through them, I guess. 717 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:46.519 So yeah, yeah, but yeah, Dave from Southern Alabama, you are 718 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:51.079 correct, cat body was not a sasquatch. I don't know if I have 719 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:52.920 anything else to add on that one, So why don't we just go to 720 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.400 the next question. Hey, Cliff and Bobo, this is Ryan from South 721 00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:00.119 Carolina. Loved the podcast, always looking forward to the next episode every week. 722 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:06.519 So my question has to do with vocal recognition and sasquatches. I would 723 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:10.280 say for the most part that humans can recognize other human voices. And my 724 00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:15.639 question is in particularly with howls. Do you think that sasquatches in any way 725 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:21.280 can differentiate between a human mimicking a howl and another sasquatch howling? Also, 726 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.320 do you think there's any sasquatches? And Francis Marion, National Forest. I 727 00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:27.320 have a great day, guys, and looking forward to the next episode here 728 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.960 we always talk about that. Yeah, yeah, I do think sasquatches can 729 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:36.440 recognize each other. I wonder how much they can differentiate between humans and sasquatches. 730 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.480 Maybe there's some hidden frequencies in their calls that we don't have in ours. 731 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:43.400 It's entirely possible. I don't know. But at the same time, 732 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.840 they do call back to us sometimes maybe just the dumb ones callback, I 733 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.199 don't know. Yeah, that's what I thought. Maybe this is the dumb 734 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.800 people call it them though, too, which is us right, Yeah, 735 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.199 like, oh, we think we're gonna fool them, and we're just like 736 00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.480 Now, maybe it's a lack of intelligence on both sides of that. Communication 737 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.280 must sound different to them. I mean, especially the last fifteen years, 738 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.880 you know whatever, since the funny Bigfoot came out and people are doing calls 739 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.719 over the place, they don't They don't answer back that they used to before. 740 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.960 You speak, pretty easy, not easy, but they had to answer 741 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.760 back way more pre show because there wasn't a lot of people doing it. 742 00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.719 Now, so people have done it. I think there are a lot more 743 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.079 a lot more cautious about what they respond to. Yeah, it's entirely possible. 744 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.880 They can tell the difference, and again there might be the hidden frequencies 745 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.199 in there. Maybe we just have a different sound and tambre to our sounds. 746 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.440 You know, when a real sasquatch calls back, I can definitely tell 747 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.760 it's not a human. And there are other times that you know, they're 748 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.519 probably real sasquatch is calling back and it sounds like a human. But then 749 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:44.159 you have to just say, well, could there possibly be a human over 750 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:45.760 there? And if the answer is no, then it's probably a sasquatch. 751 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.159 But there are sometimes when you're going, holy crap, that is not a 752 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:52.039 human being, and so that's got to be the case for them too, 753 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.519 maybe, I guess, but I kind of I'm interested in that. What 754 00:48:55.719 --> 00:49:00.679 b Mills was talking about is identifying individual sasqua watches by their sounds as well, 755 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.559 just because you know, if you hear Bobo's voice, you know, 756 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.480 but you know it's Bobo. Bottom line, Just imagine if you hear my 757 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.280 voice, you know it's me. And b thinks that she is now differentiating 758 00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.119 between the various sasquatches that are calling back in her research area in Southeast Ohio. 759 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.239 I think that's an interesting thing and there's an interesting pursuit for sure. 760 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.639 I think identifying individuals is a very important thing to do if we're going to 761 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:27.960 learn their habits. I'm trying to do that with footprints because audio is not 762 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:32.400 really my thing, but I would encourage people who are love audio to try 763 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.840 to differentiate individuals from the same area. That'd be kind of a neat study. 764 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:39.960 And as far as Francis Marion's National Forests, yes, there are sasquatches 765 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.320 there. That's one of the places that we did our investigations when we were 766 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.760 in South Carolina, just north to Charleston. There. It seems that most 767 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:53.280 of the sasquatch reports were based either in Francis Marion National Forest or way up 768 00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:57.880 there in the other corner kind of north of like by Greenville and Anderson and 769 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.880 all that stuff, and South Carolin. Those are the places where the most 770 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.920 sasquatch reports come out of and those are also the two places in South Carolina 771 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.079 that have the largest population of bears. And I think that's very telling. 772 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:09.679 Yeah, I remember what error. I don't remember. It was so long 773 00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.719 ago. I know that we spent a couple hours in the lab of a 774 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.719 biologist or something in South Carolina and we're kind of overlaying sighting reports and bear 775 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.519 populations and they corresponded very, very nicely, and that was something that impressed 776 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.920 the professor at the college. I remember the gentleman's name, but I remember 777 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.400 spending up some time with him. I hope that helps you there that was 778 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.599 I think Ryan was that guy's name. So thank you Ryan for listening, 779 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:35.800 and thank you for the question. We appreciate it. We're gonna do the 780 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.000 next question now. Hey, yuys, this is Brandon from North Louisiana. 781 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:44.360 I am a longtime listener, first time voicemeller. I'm a hunter here in 782 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.239 North Louisiana, but I'm also a big foot enthusiast, and the more I 783 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:51.719 learned about these animals, I'm beginning to wonder if some of the noises that 784 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:58.039 I'm hearing on our hunting lace might not be coincidence. I've heard everything from 785 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:02.760 what could be a training knock. I've had trees fall over while I'm out 786 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:07.800 there, uh, either hunting or doing work on the lease. Um, 787 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:13.199 what would you recommend the first step to take, uh to find out if 788 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.400 these animals are actually on our hunting lease? I appreciate you guys. Thanks 789 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:21.840 well. Cliffs not a stick structures, but thought to me that would be 790 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:24.079 a good sign. So what would they look for? You know, like 791 00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:30.599 the twisted snap trees like five to ten feet in the air. Um, 792 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:35.800 it was like torn out branches that are stuck in the ground making axes, 793 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:42.639 or like they make those delta or chevron signs on the ground with multiple sticks. 794 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.960 Okay, and so what else? What else do you think I think 795 00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:51.639 this gentleman can do to figure out if they're sasquatches. Do some vocalizations to 796 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.079 see what you get back in the evening time. Yeah, I would do 797 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.079 Knox. I would do Knox. And then part of the reason I would 798 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.440 do Knox is because of what we were just talking about with this previous caller. 799 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.559 Maybe they can tell the difference. But a knock is a knock is 800 00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:08.880 a knock. It'd be difficult to discern what's making it from one hundred yards 801 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.000 away. People always ask me, how what's the best about a Knox to 802 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:17.119 do? And I'm like, one if I like, I mean, because 803 00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:23.039 one is the most comment you hear from them. It's obviously like one. 804 00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:27.559 You're never sure, like if they're like busy doing something, like they catch 805 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:29.880 they you know, like if they barely hear it, they're like, wait 806 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:31.840 was that one? And then they only hear one that they don't hear another 807 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.159 one like parif Like whereas if you do two or three, if you catch 808 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.639 them like by the second or third one, that they could be paying attention 809 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:43.760 a lot better and hear it. I've thought about that as well. You 810 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.400 know what I've started doing Bobo is I do one and then I wait a 811 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:50.840 minute or two and do another, and I just kind of do it periodically 812 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.639 for a while, right, Because to me, one knock is the very 813 00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:00.320 least amount of information after zero, after zero, information that you can give 814 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.800 them to try to figure out if you're a human or a sasquatch, and 815 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.440 that's not much to go on. It always reminds me. I remember in 816 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:13.159 chemistry class at Milliken High School, mister Willshire, the chemistry teacher, told 817 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.519 us, like the simplest way to write a multiple. He was explaining why 818 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.559 they did this, why scientists, when you're multiplying two numbers, they don't 819 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.119 want to put the X from multiplying because that looks like a variable. So 820 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:27.039 the simplest way to do it, because multiplication is so common, is that 821 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:30.719 they put a dot, just a dot, because it's the simplest thing. 822 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:35.280 It's literally the simplest thing you can write. And that's that's how I view 823 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.079 knox as a dot on a piece of paper. Essentially, it's the least 824 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.400 amount of information you can give that still is meaningful in some way. That's 825 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.079 my feeling. But you know what I would do, Brandon from Northern Louisiana 826 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:50.559 is I would get an audio recorder and bring that out with you and just 827 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.559 have it running the entire time you're out there. They don't make noise at 828 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.119 least that's stuff that we can hear. You can always have it on you. 829 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:59.440 And when you hear these noises, maybe there's a pattern to them. 830 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.320 Maybe you can start recording the may maybe you're gonna hear a vocalization of some 831 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:05.840 sort or an animal that you can't identify. You can share that with somebody 832 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:07.800 and maybe they can identify it as a coyote, or maybe they can identify 833 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.679 it as something else, or maybe they go, oh my god, I 834 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.000 don't know what that is. Sounds like a person or something like that. 835 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:16.880 Even though you know there are no people there, then we're onto something. 836 00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:22.119 So I would look for I would look to start gathering information with an audio 837 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.159 recorder. And he don't need anything fancy. You know, one of these 838 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.440 one of these audio recorders that costs about one hundred bucks, you know, 839 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.360 because everybody can have everybody has one hundred bucks. If you want to save 840 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:36.639 a few months or something that for those you may not have it on hand, 841 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.000 you can save twenty bucks a month and have one and a half a 842 00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:43.199 year. That's pretty good, right, And I try to get the cheaper 843 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:45.119 ones. I don't spend four or five hundred bucks on audio recorders because they're 844 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.920 gonna get wet, they're gonna get dirty, they're gonna get ruined eventually. 845 00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.440 So I buy the less expensive ones, the ones that range between eighty and 846 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:57.840 one hundred and twenty bucks, because they work just fine. And get digital 847 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.360 ones and bring that out with you. Maybe you're gonna get lucky. Maybe 848 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.920 you're gonna hear something and get it recorded, because that's always cool. It's 849 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.239 just cool. If nothing else, it's a lot of fun. Something else 850 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.320 I would do to find out if there are sasquatches on your hunting lease or 851 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:16.800 near your hunting lease is look for reports from the area. Sasquatches are really 852 00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:21.880 good, it seems at finding the areas, finding the land where very few 853 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.079 people go, and they gravitate towards those areas. If you can find two 854 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:30.440 or three or four, gosh even more sighting reports within five miles of your 855 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:35.000 hunting lease, you can be pretty sure that there are sasquatches there at least 856 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.280 sometimes. At least that's my thought. So I don't know if you have 857 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:40.559 anything else to add to that, but that's what I would do. So 858 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.039 I would start by trying to gather data for yourself with an audio recorder or 859 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.320 something. Take pictures of whatever, and see if you can find footprints. 860 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:50.559 Of course, but that would be a pretty dead giveaway if you can find 861 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.320 some footprints, But look for sighting reports in the data sets that are out 862 00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:00.039 there at the BFR or various other places online. If there's you gotta you 863 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.559 have a couple of sighting reports within a few miles of that spot, you 864 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.519 could be pretty sure that they're on the hunting lease at least at sometimes. 865 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.400 Yeah, for sure. Um, I think, well, you gotta spend 866 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:13.400 a little you said, one hundred bucks. Yeah, you can get a 867 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.880 good recorder. I would like to get one of those ones that the ornithologists 868 00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.199 was saying to get because then they're stowag to scan through and there's way quicker 869 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.960 to review. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, um, the ones 870 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.960 that are just left out, they're the long duration recorders like and the kind 871 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:32.880 that they're used from ornithology and whatever you got, you got to spend the 872 00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.599 time to go through that. They have certain software that helps you, but 873 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.400 you can use Sonic Visualizer. That's a free program that shows you the spectrograph 874 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.079 and to kind of look for the things that are out of the ordinary. 875 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:49.000 That's how we go through our LDR stuff, a long duration recorders at the 876 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:55.159 NABC. Tom Shay's partner Dusty Ruth, has donated a number of um LDRs 877 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:59.480 to the NABC and we have them deployed out in various areas. Collect them 878 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.800 about once a month or once every six weeks, and then while my guys 879 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:07.119 are on the clock or I'm at the shop or something, we go through 880 00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.360 all the audio recorders and look for the signatures of things making noises. It 881 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:15.920 takes about twenty minutes, maybe about fifteen to twenty minutes to go through one 882 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:19.199 night, ten to twenty minutes, and so you have to spend some time 883 00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:23.239 doing it. But it's a good way to find vocalizations that you would have 884 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:27.360 missed because you're not there. Okay, we're nearing the end of the program 885 00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:29.679 right now. We have a couple more voicemails that we could get to. 886 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.519 But you know what. We're gonna save those till next time. But because 887 00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:37.079 there's a written question. We haven't done any written questions this entire episode so 888 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.400 far, but there is one written question that we just cannot ignore. So 889 00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.159 we're gonna go ahead and attack that one now. And here it is Bobo. 890 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:50.360 This one comes from Lucy Shipley, and she asks, Cliff, you 891 00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:55.360 said ages ago you were open to sonnets sonnets, so it feels like the 892 00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.559 right time to send you one. Oh seekers after Truth and after Light. 893 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:07.840 With footprint casts and heat detecting scopes from steamy swamp to rocky mountain heights, 894 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:16.679 they track the beast with their decreasing hopes. Bigfoot sasquatch, oma many namid, 895 00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:22.639 ancestral human, just a pile of wu, an ancient creature never to 896 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:29.159 be tamed. No better trackers could they have than you, Cliff and Bobo, 897 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:35.559 of whom we are so fond proud listeners of Bigfoot and beyond. Very 898 00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.920 nice. That was awesome. That was really cool, Lucy really appreciate that. 899 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:44.599 That was very sweet of you. Yeah, what's a poem, a 900 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:49.079 Cliff, I don't know. I think a sunda is a particular genre. 901 00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.960 I can tell you a cliff laid ambibobs. You're far more artistically inclined than 902 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.960 I am. A sana is a poem of fourteen lines, is in any 903 00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:01.280 number of formal rhyme schemes in English, having ten syllables per line, ten 904 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.519 syllables a line. So that is kind of like a haiku, because hikus 905 00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:09.239 are traditionally five syllables, seven syllables and then five more. Oh that's interesting 906 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.599 coming in people. Yeah, yeah, feel free to write us poetry. 907 00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.599 That's something that we haven't begged for before. Yeah. If you're out there 908 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:21.480 and you are artistically actually, let's just open it up. Man. If 909 00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:27.599 you guys are artistically inclined in any direction, any direction, feel free to 910 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.920 do something for us. And what will play it or sing it or say 911 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:36.159 it or hum it or show it on the air or in our membership section. 912 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:37.280 You know, that'd be kind of cool. Like you, some people 913 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.360 send us art. I mean, you know, Bobo, I don't know 914 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.840 last time you're at the museum, but there was a we have a piece 915 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.440 of art hanging up in our bathroom at the NABC depicting you and I. 916 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:50.239 I've not seen that. And actually, Bobo, I forgot to tell you 917 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.519 this. But earlier in the week I finally went to my po box and 918 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:59.840 Sandy and a guy named Mark is a fan of the show and he's a 919 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.519 amazing silver smith. He a few years ago, I think it was a 920 01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:06.079 few years ago, he sent me, Um, you know, like my 921 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:09.239 little Murphy Bigfoot silhouette thing. Yeah, he sent me one of those holding 922 01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.760 the guitar. You know, it made out a silver that he made in 923 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:16.400 a necklace and it was just so amazing I can't possibly wear it. Um. 924 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:21.440 It's actually on display in the NABC in the in the lip case there. 925 01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.800 Um he made you one. He made you Well, yeah, you 926 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.920 have a silver necklace from a gentleman named Mark. I don't want to say 927 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.480 last name. So Mark, I know you're listening. So um and Bobo 928 01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:35.559 didn't know about this. I forgot to tell him until now, but this 929 01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.480 is a good time to tell him. Yeah, of U, there's a 930 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.159 sasquatch. Do you want to know about it? Or should just wait to 931 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:43.760 see it? Should I tell you? Tell me? I should tell you 932 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:46.679 because because nobody else may be able to see this. There it's a necklace 933 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.800 with a sasquatch holding a surfboard. And the theme is the sasquatch that stole 934 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:57.239 Bobo's surfboard. It is at the shop right now, but you said you're 935 01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.360 coming up in the next couple of months, right something. Yeah, at 936 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.000 some point, Calas hold it for you. There's one. There's one, 937 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.159 or there's a couple other things at the shop that people will send me to 938 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.880 give to you. They probably don't realize that we're not like the Scooby Gang 939 01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:12.880 where we all live in the same house or something. But I'm more than 940 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.519 happy to give to save these things and set them aside because I know I 941 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:17.280 see you every once in a while, although it has been a while now 942 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:21.719 since I've seen you in person. I will say that yeah, yeah, 943 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:23.360 it's been far too long. Or maybe you can bring it down when you 944 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.920 go to that funeral. Oh that's true. Maybe I'll just thrown in the 945 01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:29.119 car and bring it down. Yeah, because that's only a month away now. 946 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:31.320 But anyway, Yeah, Mark has a fantastic piece of jewelry for you. 947 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:36.000 It's really really cool. It's just beautiful. The guy is so skilled. 948 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.599 Yeah, it was fantastic. But the rest of you, guys, 949 01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:42.559 whatever skills you have, maybe you want to whittle something for us. I 950 01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:45.679 don't know. I think whittling is an art that hasn't been featured very heavily 951 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:47.159 lately in modern America. So yeah, maybe there's something you want to make 952 01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.920 for big Foot and Beyond or for Bobo, or for me or Matt Prutt 953 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:52.920 for that matter. Maybe you want to make a song and about big Foot 954 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.639 and Beyond and send it to us. We'll play it man. Thanks Mark. 955 01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:00.559 Yeah, it's totally cool because you know, the a mess. You 956 01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:01.760 may have noticed, the world's a mess, and I think one of the 957 01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:06.119 one of the best things any of us can do to get through all this 958 01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:10.119 and kind of bring everybody together is to make art. Is to create and 959 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.159 let your inner angel fly, so to speak, because no matter what kind 960 01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:16.440 of art you are making, it's going to be fantastic. There you go. 961 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:20.239 So there's another Q and A for you, everybody. We really appreciate 962 01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:22.280 you listening. If you have a question that you would like to ask us, 963 01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:27.000 or even a comment, you can contact us at Bigfoot and Beyond Podcasts 964 01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:30.440 dot com. That's the website and let's go to the contact button. You 965 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.960 can leave us a voicemail. As you've been hearing this entire episode, or 966 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.920 you can type in your question. If you're you don't feel comfortable doing that, 967 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.119 which we totally understand, then maybe maybe your question will be chosen on 968 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:45.320 next months Bigfoot and Beyond Q and A. We do that every single month, 969 01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.519 and now we're going to go do our membership Q and A. 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