Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for
the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for
nearly a decade and has long hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close
and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding
the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Thank you for joining
us on another spectacular night of Open Minds Radio at our new time Monday night,
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to Mountain Time once in a while. Weird state we live in, and
of course if you've been following the news, there's a number of reasons why
Arizona is quite a weird state. But we are your UFO authority. My
name's Alejandro Rojas, and I am your host for the show, and we
have a great show tonight. This is part two of our guest Michael Luckman.
He wrote the book Alien Rock, which talks about rock stars and their
et and UFO experiences. We talked about a lot of fun stuff last week
with John Lennon and many others. Tonight we're going to talk about Michael Jackson,
get into some other stories, and Michael Luckman has also done a lot
of research into a topic that's very popular these days, and that is twenty
twelve and what might be happening when the Mayan calendar ends and renews. Will
it be bad? Will it be good? Will it be both? Or
like NASA has put up on their website, will nothing happen at all?
Just like Y two K, nothing really happened at all except for a bunch
of people got drunk as usual on New Year's and woke up the next day
feeling like the world had been destroyed, but it was just a bad hangover.
So we'll be talking about that with Michael Luckman. It's gonna be a
lot of fun. In a few minutes. I want to remind you of
a local event if you want to meet the open minds, editors and researchers
and such, We'll be at Vision Quest Metaphysical Bookstore on May twenty eighth.
That'll be at seven pm and they are at two two five North Scottsdale Road.
Or if you don't want to travel that far for kind of a two
hour event. You can come to Roswell on the July fourth weekend. Actually
their events start July first, Thursday through Sunday, so that'll be a lot
of fun. Sunday's the forest. You can come watch fireworks and there's always
a lot going on out there. There's something like twenty thousand people that show
up for their giant parade. Will probably be in the parade. I was
in the parade last year with Nick Pope, the UK Ministry of Defense,
who guy retired now to investigate UFOs out there. You probably know much about
it because I talk about them a lot, but that was a lot of
fun. Jesse Marcel Jr. He'll be there again this year. Richard Dolan,
a lot of speakers. Peter Robbins talks about abductions. I've had all
these guys on my show before, so you can listen to the archives to
hear what they're all about, but if you want to meet them in person,
then come out to Roswell. My good buddy Chuck Sukowski, who's been
on the show a couple of times, I'll also be out there, so
it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm really excited about that.
However, before we get into our guests, let's talk about UFOs in the
news. There's always a lot going on with UFOs and conventional news headlines,
and this week is no different from any other. So we have a lot
of exciting stories that I want to talk about. We've got our news correspondent,
Jason McClelland here to share the stories with us. Greetings Alejandro, Hello
Jason, Hello Phoenix, and the Hello world. This is your Open Minds
News Brief for Monday May tenth, twenty ten. In the news this week,
with NASA turning over much of its ground to orbit transportation to commercial providers,
many companies are hard at work building and testing spaceflight vehicles, and the
US Air Force is right there with them. The Air Force recently launched an
unmanned X thirty seven B orbital test vehicle. The X thirty seven B is
intended to order it the Earth for several weeks while testing out several different systems,
and could be used to transport satellite and other equipment to and from space.
The X thirty seven B is often called a flying Twinkie because of its
stubby wing shape. Its nickname isn't the only odd thing about the Space Shift,
though the true details of the ship's mission have been kept secret, and
there have been mentions that possibly using the ship as space weaponry. Eek,
but of course they want to use everything for weaponry. And you know,
I think these stories are important, just like we have unknown or unacknowledged aviation
stories by Michael stra our aerospace historian on our website. So because people even
still, you know, mistake the space Station and the Space Shuttle for UFOs
at times. So right, it's important to know what's up there. I've
seen them going through the sky before and I grabbed my camera and started getting
all excited. Oh right, space station. It's still fun to see.
It's incredible. It's so bright and it moves to the sky so fast.
Yeah, you don't realize it until you actually watch it. Yeah, it's
amazing. In other Nathanews, NASA's Mars Meteorite research team says that a four
billion year old meteorite has landed thousands of years ago. I'm sorry that landed
thousands of years ago, and Antarctica show evidence of microscopic life on Mars.
The team also has presented research showing additional Martian meteorites with distinct and identifiable microbial
fossils, further pointing to the existence of life on Mars. The team leader
has said, we feel more confident than ever that Mars probably once was and
maybe still is home to life. I can't I believe that this story hit
the news and has not made a big impact, even though this is actually
the same rock, one of these rocks they're talking about. It's the same
meteor they had found several years ago, and President Clinton, you know,
had talked about it and talked about how we might have found life elsewhere,
and then some people scientists debunked it, and they've been fighting about it for
years. This is the same one. And now those NASA scientists had found
further evidence to support what they had said in the beginning, which is these
meteorites from Mars show what seemed to be fossilized bacteria and stuff. And there's
been a lot of Mars news in the news lately, you know, a
lot more to support the evidence of life on Mars. Water on Mars.
You know, we talked last week, I think about, you know,
how methane gas has been discovered, and the ponds come and all these different
things on Mars. But there really doesn't seem to be that big of a
deal made about it. Yeah, and I'm excited because I think we're really
close to them actually confirming something. And I'm interested to see some people say
that it won't be a big deal. People are so used to hearing about
it, they're not going to care. But it may be a big deal.
And philosophically it is a big deal because it makes what we do more
likely. If the next planet closest to us has life on it, well,
second clost I think Venus is closer, but if that's got life,
then obviously it's abundant. That'd be huge off it. You know, they
finally come out and say it, and I'm hoping they do. You know,
it's exciting because more and more every week it's coming out. It's just
not being made a big deal of right now, and I don't know why.
Yeah, come on, people pay attention. The governor of the Russian
Republic of Kalmikia told the television anchor last week that he had been abducted by
aliens. He also mentioned that the extraterrestrials communicated with him telepathically. State Duma
Deputy Andre lebedev Is worried, however, that the governor may have disclosed state
secrets and he wants Russia's president to investigate the issue. This is hilarious,
Yeah, because this other MP is saying, Hey, you know, this
guy was taken and he knows secrets. What if he told the alien secrets
and he's making a big deal out of it. You need to tell him
that, you know, he should have reported this earlier, and he wants
it investigated, and not by just anybody. He wrote a letter to the
President of Russia. He said, you need to look into this guy in
his aduction story. Yeah, and you got to find out what he told
the aliens and if they read his mind to know our secrets, and you
have to develop a protocol. What are we supposed to do if we get
taken by aliens. It's incredible that you know, these guys are taking this
step so seriously. It's great. But the story's fascinating though, because this
guy actually went on on television very serious and told his story about, you
know, being taken aboard a UFO. These were separate occasions, the abduction
and being on a UFO, but he was very serious about it. And
this is this is a sharp, intellectual guy. He's the president of the
International Chess Club, the World Chess Federation. He was a president at one
time, and he's recently been invited back to be the president again. That's
a big deal. He's a smart guy and it's incredible. So that's an
amazing story, and it keeps hitting the news and it's still going on,
so we'll see what happens with it. I think the Russian president probably has
other things to do, but it'll be interesting if he decides to look into
it, or at least acknowledges it. Well, what I did, maybe
that's what will come out, what I did when I was talking to the
aliens. But I never released any of my secret so I think he's fine.
He's a smart guy, right all right. In other news, construction
has begun on the world's largest telescope in Chile. The one point five billion
dollar European Southern Observatory will be used to search for planets outside our solar system
that may sustain life. The observatory's atmospheric detecting European extremely Large Telescope or EELT,
will be a optical infrared telescope with the primary mirror forty two meters in
diameter. That's more than one hundred and thirty seven feet. Wow. The
yield, Wow, that's a huge mirror. Yeah, incredible, And they're
just going to find more and more planets with atmospheres I could support life.
I mean, that's exciting. With the addition of the telescope, Chili will
certainly have the tools to become a global astronomy powerhouse. The telescope is scheduled
to begin operating in twenty eighteen. One of our main writers, Antonio,
an editor, is from Chile. I wonder if this will inspire him to
move home. I hope not. We'll lose him, I hope not,
but he could write a good story on it. Yeah, we'll send him
back to visit. Maybe he has too much to do here. True,
all one hundred that's all I have for the news. All right, Well,
I did want to talk about when we had talked a little, and
we may have time to get in some of the UK signings, because of
course Britain always has a lot of sightings and they're well, you know,
it's another country that at least the media takes this subject very seriously because they've
been reporting a lot we talked earlier about Nick Pope. That probably helps because
they have an ex Minister of Defense who's worked on this stuff. Not Minister
of Defense it's Canada I'm thinking of, but someone who worked for the Ministry
of Defense out there. But they've had a lot more sightings out there.
In fact, just recently one of their Air Force guys had reported an orange
fireball. And I think this one's important because there have been lots of orange
balls being reported in the last year. In their two thousand and nine Ministry
of Defense report, they had listed tons of these sidings and they had that
vast increase in sightings. Nick Pope thought perhaps they were due to an increase
in Chinese lanterns being used at parties out there, where you light up a
candle in the middle of this this volume, it floats in the air.
However, this is another case, and we're getting a lot of these cases
where people are seeing these orange fireballs doing things that they shouldn't do. This
one flew around in the sky. It then changed colors and it floated slowly
straight down. This was seen by the Air Force officer and his wife.
So it's another case where these orange balls are kind of doing some strange stuff
showing that you know a lot of these sightings and you see them a lot
are probably not these Chinese lanterns. And you know here in the States,
in Pennsylvania, a lot of people saw these orange balls. They had a
big flat for three years going on. I had John Ventry on the show
before and he talked about that and even a siding that hit the media where
a bunch of people during the day someone over one of the malls. So
the mystery of the orange spears is nowhere near being totally figured out yet,
So stay Tunedson, You'll have to bring us more on that. I will
have to. There's been a lot lots of research about the orange balls the
Chinese lanterns, but we'll look more into that. Yep, all right,
stay tune. We'll have Michael Luckman and more on Rockstars and UFOs after the
break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk
Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back. I'm excited to have Michael Luckman back on
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I believe we have mister Luckman on the phone. Hello, Michael, are
you there by Alehandra? I'm fine, Thank you great, it's great to
talk to you again. Well, it's good to be here. You know.
It's important. Subject twenty twelve us around the corner, and right,
we need to define what it might mean for us. Yeah, before we
get into that, there is one person that I promised some of the people
we would talk about, and that was Michael Jackson. You said, I
know your book has Michael Jackson and some experiences he had. Well, yes,
I met Michael in New York about five years ago and he was being,
as usual, dogged by the paparazzi and he was having really hard times.
It wasn't the best circumstances, but I did learn some very important things.
He had an experience when he was I would say in his early twenties.
It happened when he was on a plane on a flight over Alaska,
and he did see what he referred to as UFOs. It was some kind
of something out there in the far beyond. He actually looked at it from
the pilot's cockpit and he asked the pilot whether he had ever seen anything like
that, these UFOs that can multi colored and like crystalline and just going out
there, and the pilots had never seen anything like it, And he said,
I'll never forget the impression that it left with him. But he was
very very much into the subject and even took it as far as he had
a hope anyway of being able to perform his trademark moonwalk on the Moon,
and had gone so far as to talk to Yuri Geller is a psychic about
it, and how we might go about getting onto the mon to sech a
performance. Well, it's too bad he wasn't able to. And maybe,
you know, as a commercial space faring you know, becoming a bigger industry,
you know, maybe if he's reincarnated as a child, he'll be able
to do it in his next life. Well perhaps so, perhaps so.
Yeah, that's really interesting. And I mean I was thinking about, you
know, I mean, what a life this guy had? You know,
often I think about, well, was in this sighting before he was famous?
But Michael Jackson was famous his whole entire life. That's true, That's
absolutely true. So what a life that he had? Yes, And he
was a card carrying member of the New York Center for Exterrustal Research in my
organization. Wow, he actually had a card that I presented him here in
New York and I have from him a copy of the card signed signed by
him. He was very much into uh the subject and of course he's also
into a lot of other, you know, paranormal type subjects. Right.
He was good friends with Uri Geller, wasn't he? Uh? He was,
Yes, he was. At one point he was very very close to
the Yuri and one of his uh, one of Michael's albums of metal which
one Yury had made some drawings which were very UFO oriented. Uh uh that
uh, you know that Michael treasured and included in the booklet. Yeah,
now that I we talked about it, We talked about Yuri Geller. It's
interesting that he came up so much last week and you know here again this
week when we talk about rock stars and his involvement with our lives. Yes,
absolutely, and you you knew him pretty well, Uh, Yuri,
that is Uh. I've spoken to Yuri a bunch of times. And you
know, as I indicate last week, come after him to have that that
small egg shaped object that John went in the claims gave to him from the
aliens and see what that's all about. Yeah, hopefully one day he'll allow
that to be happened. Yeah. So we've talked a lot about these different
rock stars, and before we get on to twenty twelve, you know,
one thing I would like to ask is, since you've written the book,
have you come across other stories that you wish you would have known of that
you could have included, or anything new that perhaps you're going to include in
a second volume. Yeah, well, there is always a possibility of a
follow up book. But what I didn't know when I wrote the book was
about Robbie Williams. Oh right now now, of course, Robbie Williams is
a pop star. Number one in England in most parts of Europe, but
virtually unknown here in the United States. And he did, however, buy
a home here in the US about the last about two years ago. In
how he would and was very much in the press. They were all over
him wanting to know about his UFO experiences. And he had a number of
unbelievable UFO experiences, including one where a what he described as a sort of
a strip of black light or blue light came into the recording studio while he
was making a song that was a pro alien an alien contact song. He
zipped around in the studio apparently out the window. And he had some other
experiences as well, and he really pursued this. He went to James Gillian's
ranch out in the Seattle area, Seattle, Washington, and spent about the
better part of two weeks camping out there writing UFO songs and photographing what he
thought, we're through alien spacecraft. Wow, I hadn't known that part.
I was in at the UFO congress a couple of years ago when he showed
up, and it was funny because people are are buzzing, and my friend
Ross Hemsworst, you know, grabbed him his equipment to go interview him.
Yes, and I said, what's going on? And he says, Robbie
Williams is here and I said who Robbie Williams. I was like, I
don't know who that is, only the most famous pop star in the world.
And he, like, you know, said that to me and ran
off. I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, I don't know
who this guy is. Sure. I was fortunate enough to have some inside
information about Robbie and his UFO involvement, and that made big spreads in the
you know, in the in the British papers for well any number of times.
Yeah, he made a I know it's helping and I was hoping to
make contact with him, which about as easy he was making contact with extrarestrials.
Uh, but it just unfortunately didn't happen. I really wanted to involve
him in the space concerts that we spoke about. Yeah, it's too bad.
And I know, even recently he said he's he regrets having said anything
publicly because now every single story written about him. Yeah, even today,
I was seeing something new project he's working on, and of course they have
to mention UFOs and his experience, and he's kind of been upset or disillusioned
by that whole thing. Well, it shouldn't be too this allusion, after
all. I mean, he did have one of his tours not so many
years ago was called the Close Encounters Tour and it featured what lights were lights
in a spaceship configuration. So I think that he's you know, fully,
I know he's fully into this. The question, of course, is they
always do these rock stars always do have to do with commercial deal with commercial
reality, and sometimes their managers get on them. For example, Elvis's manager,
Colonel Tom Parker gave Elvis a terrible time about his interests in the UFOs
and the code and the paranormal and you know, and actually literally until the
people know this, Burn had Elvis's collection of about three or four hundred books
on UFOs and the light burn wow, so that, you know, so
they give him a message that he didn't want them involved with it. Well,
I would think it would make these guys more popular. It makes them
more eccentric, which is what people think entertainers are. So I'm surprised that
their managers would shy away like that. Yeah, well, you know,
it's it's a double edged sword. I mean when it comes to UFOs,
it's like somehouses, like a separate category in many people's minds. And that's
changing, of course. I would say it's rapidly changing. And I think,
you know, I think Open Minds Magazine is very much indicative of that
change, as well as the all of these hundreds of former military guys who
have come forward and said that they'll testify before Congress have granted immunity from prosecution
so that they can tell what they know. And it's a lot, Yeah,
it is a lot, And thank you for mentioning the magazine. We're
really proud of it. And you know, Antonio, who you've worked with,
a great writer. And we had speaking of the military officers Robert Salas
on last week who had or a couple of weeks ago now who had his
experiences. And then James Peniston, who is at the Rendel Shim Air Force
Base Rendal Schrom Forest out there in the UK, is going to be on
next week to talk about But these are two people just like you're talking about,
who are ex military, who had experiences. Well, when we get
back, we got to take a break, but we'll come back and we'll
talk about your twenty twelve research this it'd be great, So stay tuned to
Open Minds Radio. This is open Minds Radio here again your host, UFO
paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back. This is Open Minds Radio
and I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas. We have Michael Luckmann on who's a
researcher into rock stars and their UFO ET connection. However, he's also done
an abundance of research on twenty twelve and we're going to talk to him about
that. But I do want to mention the magazine that he just mentioned earlier.
You can't get at Openminds dot tv. We're very close. We're going
to have our second issue out soon, so we're excited about that. But
it open Minds dot tv. And also looking your local bookstore come June first
and you'll see we're gonna do some cool stuff with the magazines at Barnes and
Nobles and Borders and so you have to check that out. But Michael,
you wanted to talk about twenty twelve, and it's of course a hot topic
that everybody wants to hear about, So why don't you give us some insight
into what got you interested in twenty twelve. Well, I got pulled in
on twenty twelve, having basically there was some stories that appeared concerning the money
in calendar port of the way that most people get pulled into twenty twelve.
However, unfortunately, the basic premise that I was pulled in by turns out
to be you know, incorrect. Essentially, basically, to summarize twelve in
regard to the Mayan calendar, the Mayans, the mining. According to the
Mayan elders, the calendar date of December twenty first, twenty twelve, of
the last day on the calendar, does not mean a specific physical upheaval of
any kind on that date or anywhere near that date necessarily. However, having
said that, they that and it does, and their estimation it does mean
other changes, and we can see unbelievable changes going on every day when it
comes to the entire business structure of the war. What could be more fundamental
than that. So so anyone who denies to the you know, any kind
of connection with twenty twelve or the importance of it, were obviously getting very
close to it. And what intrigued me also, of course, was the
overlap between different different cultures of this general time period, whether it's twenty twelve,
twenty and thirteen, two thousand and ten, in any date, any
and all dates in between. I saw the you know, this overlap immediately
was clear to me in terms of not only the Mayans, but the Aztecs,
the people from all you know, the Bible, people from all points
of view, the so called end times, of course, and as indicated
in the Bible. And so I was intrigued to look into this some more.
Now, according to the Mayan elders, they feel Maya's always very involved
with the Sun, and they're very big on astronomy, and they were concerned
about and very much are concerned about the Sun and what kind of damage the
Sun could do it might do to us in whether it's in twenty and twelve
or in the years approaching or even following twenty twelve. There are things that
we don't have toieve in trust the Mayan elders. We could go right to
some current NASA scientists who feel that the Sun could be very dangerous for us.
Now, the Sun is a very hot place and it could be dangerous
for us at any time. Feeling forth missions that could wipe out the entire
planet, you know, in an heart beat. However, it just so
happens in twenty and twelve, and this information, unfortunately, this doesn't make
any easier, gets changing, so that what looks like one situation at one
point regarding twenty twelve not tied them with a Mayan calendars. For US,
NASA is concerned just the fact that it just that's when it happens to be.
Is that we're entering a period where the unspots are projected to be enormous
uh, sun spots on sunspots, driver weather, uh, sun spots as
large as planets, perhaps as a you know, in relation to the sun,
right and other things that may that may happen that could wipe out uh
you know, uh, our our whole satellite or or part at least of
our satellite system. Now that would do you know, unbelievable devastation, because
unbelievable devastation the planet Earth. Uh and really uh you know, put us
through uh, I mean all of our communications work via satellite and and and
and there are all kinds of things that that would suddenly change and for the
worst, I'm afraid uh. And it could be you know, it could
be devastating. On the other hand, it might not be as devastating as
we think. This year. The sun is what is the spots were,
There were sids of waiting for some sunspots. There were remarkably few sunspots and
things that one or two and the first one that the sun managed to squeeze
out, guess one wasn't round as they normally are. It was square square.
Weird. Yeah, I know, we're kind of in a valley when
it comes to peaks and valleys of the solar cycle, and twenty twelve is
out of peak, and you know, I was looking at you know,
late nineties, how there is a big solar flare that caused some problems with
communication devices, and they were speculating that if that kind of thing happened in
twenty twelve, were so much more reliant on the satellites and the communication systems.
That think of the devastation of these four teenage and middle school girls when
they can't use their cell phone for a day or two, no text messaging.
They won't be able to communicate with each other, right exactly exactly.
I'd like to move into a discussion about a little bit on Fatima. Okay,
because Fatima is visions. Yeah, okay, interesting Fatima was Kintama happened
in nineteen seventeen, and essentially what happened was that free little shepherd kids encountered
what they fought was the Mother Mary. In investigating the case, I found
in other researchers have found that there's a lot of UFO what could be considered
UFO activity in terms of what they actually saw. More important than that,
there was a just as important, there was a massive event that happened,
which was the so called miracle Fatima, also referred to by some religious people
as the Dancing Sun. That is a phenomenon. And the people were drawn
to a field on a particular day, the witness of miracle that had been
announced to prove that the kids had actually had contact with the Virgin Mary and
that they had certain predictions and stuff given to them, and hand was.
These people showed up. They didn't know exactly what they're looking for. It's
a very rainy day, they're looking up in the sky. The it was
like a lot of people, right, I think seventy thousand people, and
there are plenty of photographs of these people. There were news, there was
news coverage of this, and they're they're hanging out there and they're looking up
at the sky. They don't know what they're waiting for. Suddenly there's a
break in the clouds and there is in a position where the sun would be.
And this according to the journalists as well as the priests and other just
eyewitnesses, there there was a a disk right where the sun would be,
an enormous silver gray disc with lights reflecting off spinning off the outer edge of
the disk. And the disc moved kind of erratically in the sky and then
at one point appeared to plunge towards the earth, and the people were in
great fear and they, you know, got down on the ground and they're
praying for forgiveness and and and helping that their wives will be spared. All
of a suddenly the disc goes back up into the sky at the you know,
more or less at the sun where the sun would normally be. There
isn't any sun. There's just this disk and people, uh, people who
had been salked by the rain. Their curls are all dry. The ground
is completely dry. And that was that particular event. Now, through the
years, the church was given from the from the kids. The Church had
the three miracles, and they have to do essentially with uh, you know,
world War one and World War two. But the third miracle, the
most important miracle of all, was was held by the by the Vatican and
only released about maybe six years ago, seven years ago. And when it
was released there was great criticism that this wasn't the actual text of the miracle.
And they knew this information for years and held on to it and only
released absolutely absolutely Now. The pope was down in Fatima, Portugal some years
ago, I think it was in the early nineteen eighties. John poll A
second, and he was asked by some visiting pilgrims there, why does the
church withhold this information? And his answer was and given the answer, he
just about gave the thing away. He said, well, that it would
only cause it would only serve the cause of sensationalism if there were an event
that was going to happen in the near future that could wipe out or would
wipe out you know, millions and tens of millions of people and more hundreds
of millions of people from more moment to the next as a result of ocean
footing. Geek. That's scary now, we have to go to break,
so we're going to pick up the rest of that story, and I think
where you're going with it. I see where you're going about the Patomas story
and its relation to twenty twelve. With Michael Luckman coming up right after this
break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio.
Here now former officials, folksperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host
of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas, Thanks for staying tune. You're listening
to Open Minds Radio and we're talking to Michael Luckman about twenty twelve Fatima,
the Fatima miracles, if you've heard that, something the Vatican takes very seriously
and the Pope, which is relaying a story to the from the Pope for
us, and it's UFO relations because it's seeing Michael, the sun sighting that
you talked about, I mean, flew around and very much had the same
characteristics as many UFO sightings, unquestionablyably, and there's also this there's a man
by the name of Father Malachi Martin. Unfortunately he died a number of years
ago, but Malachi Martin was an insider at the Vatican. He was an
assistant or at least close with any number of pops, including John pull the
Second. He was definitely in a position of Malachi Martin to have contact and
knowledge of the content of the Third Miracle of Fatima. And he, even
though he kept a WD on it for very many years, he ultimately did
say this, and he said a lot in a few words. He said
that it was his understanding that an object was headed toward a comic type of
object or an incoming celestial object, however you want to look at it.
Some people have referred to the so called wormwood comet that's referred to in the
Bible. But whether it's the worm would comet or perhaps as other people think,
a lot of people on the Internet think that it could be the that
it could be the legendary planet X coming here, which is on its way
here and which has those kind of devastating effects. Whether it's you know,
whether that's going to happen anytime as soon remains to be seen. Even Zacharias
sich And, the chief proponent of the planet X theory, doesn't think that
it's coming right away. However, other people do. I happen to be
one of them. I happen to think that there's a possibility that that's exactly
what's happening when he got this information from ancient writings from the Sumerians, and
a lot of the Bible see seems to be also reflective of ancient Sumerian stories.
Yeah, it's it all. It all seems to carl a very very
well. And it's the best explanation I know of. I mean, how
did the ancient Samarians? And by the way, was interesting is that Samaria
is located in northern Iraq, of all places, rights Bertile Crescent, yeah
right and Iraq. Yeah, but but the you know, how did the
Samarians know all the all of the characteristics and the positions relative positions of all
of the planets in our solar system, plus the existence of one more,
which was was Nibburu or planet as Lusisians pretty much saying they got this knowledge
from aliens that had calmed down and say to them, he is he calls
them. The refers to them. They're referred to actually in Samerian writings as
the as the Ananaki uh and the references in the Bible too, uh to
them, those who you know, from heaven to Earth come uh and UH.
What's intriguing. Perhaps one of the most intriguing stories that I've ever heard
in all my years of being involved uthology has to do with the possible landing
in UH of the Annachi UH several of them at Holiman Air Force Base in
New Mexico. UH that was witnessed by UH uh and engaged in by UH
uh several military officers UH, and supposedly filmed by our government. UH.
This is certainly ultimate type of evidence of the UH you know, of the
existence either the existence of U of contact with these knowledge of contact with these
beings, or at the very least, even if it might even if it
turns out that the Holoman film was a I say, the Holloman film.
A few people have seen it, but most people haven't seen it at all.
I've not seen it. I wish I had seen it. But but
the but these but this film at the very least represents a training film that
might have been put together by the government for psychological purposes to test, you
know, whether or not you know how people would react to the quote reality
of a UFO UH actual UFO landing. But uh it uh it actually the
film UH the Nixon administration turned out to be involved with this film. Knew
of the hr all them in of of Watergate infamy, knew of the existence
of this film. I don't know whether they had seen it or not.
They knew the existence of the film, and the plan apparently was to release
the film at the uh you know, uh prior well prior to when Watergate
happened. When Watergate actually happened. They decided the government to pull back the
film because I had been offered to several journalists, uh, to pull back
the film and not release it because they felt that it might you know,
that's that the government might have I think I know which film you're talking about.
And they had offered it to the Disney Corporation and to an HBO film
company. And but I didn't know the information about the Anennakai in that there
was a relation between that film and these beings. Yes, yes, absolutely
there was a Linda Linda how the cattle mulation researcher, was one of the
people actually offered right right film. She didn't see the film, but she
was offered the film. And Robert Emmenegger is another one. Yeah, and
he actually I believe had seen the film. He didn't actually see the film
from what I could tell. However, the people who we knew had seen
the film, and then it seemed and he was, you know, told
by various people, including hr All them in I mean, they seem to
indicate that they seem to want him to put this thing out. Let's put
it that way. Interesting And then yeah, that's an interesting story that they
they never did put that film out. They just kind of tease people with
it and now pull it back. I don't remember, Alejandro, whether I
had mentioned the resistance of a signal the last time we spoke. I think,
okay, Well, one thing that does happen we know on December December
twenty first, twenty twelve, the last day on the main calendar, is
there's an alignment with the center of our Milky Way galaxy. That is,
the alignment of Earth with the center of the Milky Way galaxy precisely from that
area. Currently is a recurrent what could be an alien beacon or at least
a signal being put out in the direction of Earth, or at least that's
being monitored down here by scientists, by astronomers, and they haven't figured it
out yet. It's not I mean, I certainly haven't deciphered it. If
it's an intelligent signal, it could be something that's just there and is not
intelligent at all, or it could be intelligent. What puts it on the
side of perhaps being intelligent is that it's very loud and very repetitive. That's
amazing to me. What's also amazing to me is that the majority of the
legitimate crop circles, that is, the ones that we think are legitimate.
It's very hard to tell, but but the ones that have been around,
let's say for the last ten years and that have not been dismissed ash as
hoaxes. Uh, the majority of those crop circles have annaki slash planet X
slash nibru symbols. That's what they're all about, like Someamerian type symbols.
Uh well no, well no, uh you know planet planet X type of
symbols. How are they able to determine what type of symbols come from Planet
X? Where the symbols, Well, you might be right, I mean
it's undoubtedly as recorded, but yeah, as recorded by the Samarians. Okay,
yeah, interesting, yeah, I know as recorded by the Samarians.
Yeah, So what do you think will happen when December twenty first, twenty
twelve comes in the last few seconds, what do you think will happen shortly?
Quick answer? It's impossible to give a quick answer. And I wish,
I wish I knew. What I do know is it's not the end
of the world. Is the end of the world as we as we know
it, And I feel fine as the song goes, I don't know either
about that. That's a good way that we'll get through it. I would
say that we'll get through it. However, what precedes it and what follows
it, I don't know. In other words, that date is not to
be to not one isn't to be too concerned about that date. It's sort
of a I look at it as a market, but I don't look at
it as an actual time state. Well, great, thanks for being on
the show again. You know that's a good positive. We don't have to
hopefully worry about the end of the world in major destruction. But thank you,
Michael for being on the show again. Check out Alien Rock and we've
got links on our show to his book. Next week, we're gonna have
James Peniston, who is an Air Force staff sergeant for the US Air Force
at the Royal Air Force Base at Bentwaters with an incredible probably the best documented
UFO case ever. So you're gonna want to hear about this and him actually
walking up and touching a craft. He explained this on Larry King. But
we'll talk more about it next week, So tune in to Open Minds Radio.
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