WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:07.400 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:12.839 the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.679 nearly a decade and has long hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close 4 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:22.719 and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding 5 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:29.760 the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Thank you for joining 6 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:35.280 us on another spectacular night of Open Minds Radio at our new time Monday night, 7 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:40.960 nine pm Arizona, which is in sync with Pacific right now it changes 8 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:46.759 to Mountain Time once in a while. Weird state we live in, and 9 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:50.640 of course if you've been following the news, there's a number of reasons why 10 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:56.439 Arizona is quite a weird state. But we are your UFO authority. My 11 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:00.280 name's Alejandro Rojas, and I am your host for the show, and we 12 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:04.599 have a great show tonight. This is part two of our guest Michael Luckman. 13 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:11.200 He wrote the book Alien Rock, which talks about rock stars and their 14 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.439 et and UFO experiences. We talked about a lot of fun stuff last week 15 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:22.159 with John Lennon and many others. Tonight we're going to talk about Michael Jackson, 16 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:27.000 get into some other stories, and Michael Luckman has also done a lot 17 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:33.200 of research into a topic that's very popular these days, and that is twenty 18 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:40.040 twelve and what might be happening when the Mayan calendar ends and renews. Will 19 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:44.719 it be bad? Will it be good? Will it be both? Or 20 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:49.319 like NASA has put up on their website, will nothing happen at all? 21 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:55.599 Just like Y two K, nothing really happened at all except for a bunch 22 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:59.439 of people got drunk as usual on New Year's and woke up the next day 23 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.959 feeling like the world had been destroyed, but it was just a bad hangover. 24 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.280 So we'll be talking about that with Michael Luckman. It's gonna be a 25 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:09.960 lot of fun. In a few minutes. I want to remind you of 26 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:15.639 a local event if you want to meet the open minds, editors and researchers 27 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.400 and such, We'll be at Vision Quest Metaphysical Bookstore on May twenty eighth. 28 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:24.520 That'll be at seven pm and they are at two two five North Scottsdale Road. 29 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:30.280 Or if you don't want to travel that far for kind of a two 30 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.599 hour event. You can come to Roswell on the July fourth weekend. Actually 31 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:38.840 their events start July first, Thursday through Sunday, so that'll be a lot 32 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:44.159 of fun. Sunday's the forest. You can come watch fireworks and there's always 33 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.240 a lot going on out there. There's something like twenty thousand people that show 34 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:52.599 up for their giant parade. Will probably be in the parade. I was 35 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:57.639 in the parade last year with Nick Pope, the UK Ministry of Defense, 36 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:04.919 who guy retired now to investigate UFOs out there. You probably know much about 37 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.439 it because I talk about them a lot, but that was a lot of 38 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:12.080 fun. Jesse Marcel Jr. He'll be there again this year. Richard Dolan, 39 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:15.080 a lot of speakers. Peter Robbins talks about abductions. I've had all 40 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.520 these guys on my show before, so you can listen to the archives to 41 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.439 hear what they're all about, but if you want to meet them in person, 42 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:24.919 then come out to Roswell. My good buddy Chuck Sukowski, who's been 43 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.919 on the show a couple of times, I'll also be out there, so 44 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.280 it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm really excited about that. 45 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:37.840 However, before we get into our guests, let's talk about UFOs in the 46 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:44.360 news. There's always a lot going on with UFOs and conventional news headlines, 47 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:47.280 and this week is no different from any other. So we have a lot 48 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:53.319 of exciting stories that I want to talk about. We've got our news correspondent, 49 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:59.400 Jason McClelland here to share the stories with us. Greetings Alejandro, Hello 50 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.280 Jason, Hello Phoenix, and the Hello world. This is your Open Minds 51 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:08.280 News Brief for Monday May tenth, twenty ten. In the news this week, 52 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:13.120 with NASA turning over much of its ground to orbit transportation to commercial providers, 53 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.399 many companies are hard at work building and testing spaceflight vehicles, and the 54 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:20.399 US Air Force is right there with them. The Air Force recently launched an 55 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:26.240 unmanned X thirty seven B orbital test vehicle. The X thirty seven B is 56 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:30.519 intended to order it the Earth for several weeks while testing out several different systems, 57 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.480 and could be used to transport satellite and other equipment to and from space. 58 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:38.879 The X thirty seven B is often called a flying Twinkie because of its 59 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.720 stubby wing shape. Its nickname isn't the only odd thing about the Space Shift, 60 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.959 though the true details of the ship's mission have been kept secret, and 61 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.879 there have been mentions that possibly using the ship as space weaponry. Eek, 62 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:54.560 but of course they want to use everything for weaponry. And you know, 63 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:58.680 I think these stories are important, just like we have unknown or unacknowledged aviation 64 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:03.519 stories by Michael stra our aerospace historian on our website. So because people even 65 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.920 still, you know, mistake the space Station and the Space Shuttle for UFOs 66 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:12.040 at times. So right, it's important to know what's up there. I've 67 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.079 seen them going through the sky before and I grabbed my camera and started getting 68 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.600 all excited. Oh right, space station. It's still fun to see. 69 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.000 It's incredible. It's so bright and it moves to the sky so fast. 70 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:25.720 Yeah, you don't realize it until you actually watch it. Yeah, it's 71 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:30.560 amazing. In other Nathanews, NASA's Mars Meteorite research team says that a four 72 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:36.079 billion year old meteorite has landed thousands of years ago. I'm sorry that landed 73 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:41.439 thousands of years ago, and Antarctica show evidence of microscopic life on Mars. 74 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:47.079 The team also has presented research showing additional Martian meteorites with distinct and identifiable microbial 75 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:51.759 fossils, further pointing to the existence of life on Mars. The team leader 76 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:57.079 has said, we feel more confident than ever that Mars probably once was and 77 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.319 maybe still is home to life. I can't I believe that this story hit 78 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:05.319 the news and has not made a big impact, even though this is actually 79 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:09.560 the same rock, one of these rocks they're talking about. It's the same 80 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:14.480 meteor they had found several years ago, and President Clinton, you know, 81 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:18.040 had talked about it and talked about how we might have found life elsewhere, 82 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.680 and then some people scientists debunked it, and they've been fighting about it for 83 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.079 years. This is the same one. And now those NASA scientists had found 84 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.240 further evidence to support what they had said in the beginning, which is these 85 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:36.360 meteorites from Mars show what seemed to be fossilized bacteria and stuff. And there's 86 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:41.199 been a lot of Mars news in the news lately, you know, a 87 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.240 lot more to support the evidence of life on Mars. Water on Mars. 88 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:46.720 You know, we talked last week, I think about, you know, 89 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:53.199 how methane gas has been discovered, and the ponds come and all these different 90 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.519 things on Mars. But there really doesn't seem to be that big of a 91 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.519 deal made about it. Yeah, and I'm excited because I think we're really 92 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:05.519 close to them actually confirming something. And I'm interested to see some people say 93 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.279 that it won't be a big deal. People are so used to hearing about 94 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.360 it, they're not going to care. But it may be a big deal. 95 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.199 And philosophically it is a big deal because it makes what we do more 96 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:19.560 likely. If the next planet closest to us has life on it, well, 97 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:25.920 second clost I think Venus is closer, but if that's got life, 98 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.160 then obviously it's abundant. That'd be huge off it. You know, they 99 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:31.920 finally come out and say it, and I'm hoping they do. You know, 100 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.560 it's exciting because more and more every week it's coming out. It's just 101 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:40.199 not being made a big deal of right now, and I don't know why. 102 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:45.000 Yeah, come on, people pay attention. The governor of the Russian 103 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.519 Republic of Kalmikia told the television anchor last week that he had been abducted by 104 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:55.000 aliens. He also mentioned that the extraterrestrials communicated with him telepathically. State Duma 105 00:07:55.079 --> 00:08:01.879 Deputy Andre lebedev Is worried, however, that the governor may have disclosed state 106 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:07.160 secrets and he wants Russia's president to investigate the issue. This is hilarious, 107 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:11.040 Yeah, because this other MP is saying, Hey, you know, this 108 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.639 guy was taken and he knows secrets. What if he told the alien secrets 109 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.680 and he's making a big deal out of it. You need to tell him 110 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.920 that, you know, he should have reported this earlier, and he wants 111 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.360 it investigated, and not by just anybody. He wrote a letter to the 112 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.800 President of Russia. He said, you need to look into this guy in 113 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:28.839 his aduction story. Yeah, and you got to find out what he told 114 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:33.159 the aliens and if they read his mind to know our secrets, and you 115 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:35.879 have to develop a protocol. What are we supposed to do if we get 116 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.519 taken by aliens. It's incredible that you know, these guys are taking this 117 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.039 step so seriously. It's great. But the story's fascinating though, because this 118 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.120 guy actually went on on television very serious and told his story about, you 119 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:52.279 know, being taken aboard a UFO. These were separate occasions, the abduction 120 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.679 and being on a UFO, but he was very serious about it. And 121 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.759 this is this is a sharp, intellectual guy. He's the president of the 122 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.279 International Chess Club, the World Chess Federation. He was a president at one 123 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.919 time, and he's recently been invited back to be the president again. That's 124 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:13.120 a big deal. He's a smart guy and it's incredible. So that's an 125 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.120 amazing story, and it keeps hitting the news and it's still going on, 126 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.480 so we'll see what happens with it. I think the Russian president probably has 127 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.600 other things to do, but it'll be interesting if he decides to look into 128 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.919 it, or at least acknowledges it. Well, what I did, maybe 129 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:28.399 that's what will come out, what I did when I was talking to the 130 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:33.519 aliens. But I never released any of my secret so I think he's fine. 131 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.600 He's a smart guy, right all right. In other news, construction 132 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:43.120 has begun on the world's largest telescope in Chile. The one point five billion 133 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:48.440 dollar European Southern Observatory will be used to search for planets outside our solar system 134 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:58.639 that may sustain life. The observatory's atmospheric detecting European extremely Large Telescope or EELT, 135 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.759 will be a optical infrared telescope with the primary mirror forty two meters in 136 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:09.559 diameter. That's more than one hundred and thirty seven feet. Wow. The 137 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.720 yield, Wow, that's a huge mirror. Yeah, incredible, And they're 138 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:18.159 just going to find more and more planets with atmospheres I could support life. 139 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.200 I mean, that's exciting. With the addition of the telescope, Chili will 140 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.799 certainly have the tools to become a global astronomy powerhouse. The telescope is scheduled 141 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:30.759 to begin operating in twenty eighteen. One of our main writers, Antonio, 142 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.679 an editor, is from Chile. I wonder if this will inspire him to 143 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.000 move home. I hope not. We'll lose him, I hope not, 144 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.879 but he could write a good story on it. Yeah, we'll send him 145 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:46.519 back to visit. Maybe he has too much to do here. True, 146 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.360 all one hundred that's all I have for the news. All right, Well, 147 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:52.600 I did want to talk about when we had talked a little, and 148 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:54.960 we may have time to get in some of the UK signings, because of 149 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:01.279 course Britain always has a lot of sightings and they're well, you know, 150 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:07.360 it's another country that at least the media takes this subject very seriously because they've 151 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.879 been reporting a lot we talked earlier about Nick Pope. That probably helps because 152 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:18.399 they have an ex Minister of Defense who's worked on this stuff. Not Minister 153 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.639 of Defense it's Canada I'm thinking of, but someone who worked for the Ministry 154 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.279 of Defense out there. But they've had a lot more sightings out there. 155 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:33.919 In fact, just recently one of their Air Force guys had reported an orange 156 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:39.120 fireball. And I think this one's important because there have been lots of orange 157 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:45.000 balls being reported in the last year. In their two thousand and nine Ministry 158 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.639 of Defense report, they had listed tons of these sidings and they had that 159 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.399 vast increase in sightings. Nick Pope thought perhaps they were due to an increase 160 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.440 in Chinese lanterns being used at parties out there, where you light up a 161 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:01.399 candle in the middle of this this volume, it floats in the air. 162 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.039 However, this is another case, and we're getting a lot of these cases 163 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.200 where people are seeing these orange fireballs doing things that they shouldn't do. This 164 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.600 one flew around in the sky. It then changed colors and it floated slowly 165 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:20.440 straight down. This was seen by the Air Force officer and his wife. 166 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.360 So it's another case where these orange balls are kind of doing some strange stuff 167 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.080 showing that you know a lot of these sightings and you see them a lot 168 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.799 are probably not these Chinese lanterns. And you know here in the States, 169 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.240 in Pennsylvania, a lot of people saw these orange balls. They had a 170 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:41.000 big flat for three years going on. I had John Ventry on the show 171 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.159 before and he talked about that and even a siding that hit the media where 172 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.120 a bunch of people during the day someone over one of the malls. So 173 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:56.480 the mystery of the orange spears is nowhere near being totally figured out yet, 174 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.759 So stay Tunedson, You'll have to bring us more on that. I will 175 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.679 have to. There's been a lot lots of research about the orange balls the 176 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:07.240 Chinese lanterns, but we'll look more into that. Yep, all right, 177 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.120 stay tune. We'll have Michael Luckman and more on Rockstars and UFOs after the 178 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:30.200 break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk 179 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:35.919 Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back. I'm excited to have Michael Luckman back on 180 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.320 the show, and I want to remind you that you can watch the show 181 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:45.600 live on Open mindset TV. We stream over you stream, and we've got 182 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.960 that there on our page, and you can also chat with us and ask 183 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.200 any questions if you have any. We've got a few people, some of 184 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:56.120 our regulars in the chat room now. You can also call in at six 185 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:01.440 oh two two seven seven five three six nine. Or if you're watching online 186 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.360 and you want to give us a call and you're outside of the Phoenix metro 187 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:09.600 area, you can call one eight six six five three six eleven hundred and 188 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.759 I believe we have mister Luckman on the phone. Hello, Michael, are 189 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.440 you there by Alehandra? I'm fine, Thank you great, it's great to 190 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.720 talk to you again. Well, it's good to be here. You know. 191 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:26.519 It's important. Subject twenty twelve us around the corner, and right, 192 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.720 we need to define what it might mean for us. Yeah, before we 193 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.759 get into that, there is one person that I promised some of the people 194 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.879 we would talk about, and that was Michael Jackson. You said, I 195 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:45.240 know your book has Michael Jackson and some experiences he had. Well, yes, 196 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:50.159 I met Michael in New York about five years ago and he was being, 197 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:56.960 as usual, dogged by the paparazzi and he was having really hard times. 198 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:01.039 It wasn't the best circumstances, but I did learn some very important things. 199 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.240 He had an experience when he was I would say in his early twenties. 200 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.559 It happened when he was on a plane on a flight over Alaska, 201 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:16.399 and he did see what he referred to as UFOs. It was some kind 202 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:22.200 of something out there in the far beyond. He actually looked at it from 203 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:26.320 the pilot's cockpit and he asked the pilot whether he had ever seen anything like 204 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:33.399 that, these UFOs that can multi colored and like crystalline and just going out 205 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:35.799 there, and the pilots had never seen anything like it, And he said, 206 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:41.679 I'll never forget the impression that it left with him. But he was 207 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.879 very very much into the subject and even took it as far as he had 208 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:56.320 a hope anyway of being able to perform his trademark moonwalk on the Moon, 209 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.840 and had gone so far as to talk to Yuri Geller is a psychic about 210 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:06.159 it, and how we might go about getting onto the mon to sech a 211 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:08.480 performance. Well, it's too bad he wasn't able to. And maybe, 212 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:15.840 you know, as a commercial space faring you know, becoming a bigger industry, 213 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.879 you know, maybe if he's reincarnated as a child, he'll be able 214 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:25.120 to do it in his next life. Well perhaps so, perhaps so. 215 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:26.960 Yeah, that's really interesting. And I mean I was thinking about, you 216 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.879 know, I mean, what a life this guy had? You know, 217 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.440 often I think about, well, was in this sighting before he was famous? 218 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:38.399 But Michael Jackson was famous his whole entire life. That's true, That's 219 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.639 absolutely true. So what a life that he had? Yes, And he 220 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:48.279 was a card carrying member of the New York Center for Exterrustal Research in my 221 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:52.480 organization. Wow, he actually had a card that I presented him here in 222 00:16:52.559 --> 00:17:00.039 New York and I have from him a copy of the card signed signed by 223 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:06.799 him. He was very much into uh the subject and of course he's also 224 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:10.759 into a lot of other, you know, paranormal type subjects. Right. 225 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:14.880 He was good friends with Uri Geller, wasn't he? Uh? He was, 226 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.240 Yes, he was. At one point he was very very close to 227 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.960 the Yuri and one of his uh, one of Michael's albums of metal which 228 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:30.680 one Yury had made some drawings which were very UFO oriented. Uh uh that 229 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:36.519 uh, you know that Michael treasured and included in the booklet. Yeah, 230 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:40.559 now that I we talked about it, We talked about Yuri Geller. It's 231 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.599 interesting that he came up so much last week and you know here again this 232 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.200 week when we talk about rock stars and his involvement with our lives. Yes, 233 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:53.359 absolutely, and you you knew him pretty well, Uh, Yuri, 234 00:17:53.440 --> 00:18:00.079 that is Uh. I've spoken to Yuri a bunch of times. And you 235 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:06.680 know, as I indicate last week, come after him to have that that 236 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:12.440 small egg shaped object that John went in the claims gave to him from the 237 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:18.279 aliens and see what that's all about. Yeah, hopefully one day he'll allow 238 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.200 that to be happened. Yeah. So we've talked a lot about these different 239 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.799 rock stars, and before we get on to twenty twelve, you know, 240 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.119 one thing I would like to ask is, since you've written the book, 241 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.400 have you come across other stories that you wish you would have known of that 242 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.920 you could have included, or anything new that perhaps you're going to include in 243 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:41.400 a second volume. Yeah, well, there is always a possibility of a 244 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:48.079 follow up book. But what I didn't know when I wrote the book was 245 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:52.599 about Robbie Williams. Oh right now now, of course, Robbie Williams is 246 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:56.400 a pop star. Number one in England in most parts of Europe, but 247 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:02.480 virtually unknown here in the United States. And he did, however, buy 248 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.319 a home here in the US about the last about two years ago. In 249 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.720 how he would and was very much in the press. They were all over 250 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.359 him wanting to know about his UFO experiences. And he had a number of 251 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:22.559 unbelievable UFO experiences, including one where a what he described as a sort of 252 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:30.400 a strip of black light or blue light came into the recording studio while he 253 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:34.880 was making a song that was a pro alien an alien contact song. He 254 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:40.240 zipped around in the studio apparently out the window. And he had some other 255 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:45.319 experiences as well, and he really pursued this. He went to James Gillian's 256 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:52.880 ranch out in the Seattle area, Seattle, Washington, and spent about the 257 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:59.799 better part of two weeks camping out there writing UFO songs and photographing what he 258 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:04.079 thought, we're through alien spacecraft. Wow, I hadn't known that part. 259 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:08.079 I was in at the UFO congress a couple of years ago when he showed 260 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.680 up, and it was funny because people are are buzzing, and my friend 261 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:17.200 Ross Hemsworst, you know, grabbed him his equipment to go interview him. 262 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:18.920 Yes, and I said, what's going on? And he says, Robbie 263 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:23.000 Williams is here and I said who Robbie Williams. I was like, I 264 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:27.279 don't know who that is, only the most famous pop star in the world. 265 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:30.319 And he, like, you know, said that to me and ran 266 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:32.400 off. I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, I don't know 267 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:36.400 who this guy is. Sure. I was fortunate enough to have some inside 268 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:44.039 information about Robbie and his UFO involvement, and that made big spreads in the 269 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:49.640 you know, in the in the British papers for well any number of times. 270 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:52.759 Yeah, he made a I know it's helping and I was hoping to 271 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:57.799 make contact with him, which about as easy he was making contact with extrarestrials. 272 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:06.039 Uh, but it just unfortunately didn't happen. I really wanted to involve 273 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:08.960 him in the space concerts that we spoke about. Yeah, it's too bad. 274 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.720 And I know, even recently he said he's he regrets having said anything 275 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:19.200 publicly because now every single story written about him. Yeah, even today, 276 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.079 I was seeing something new project he's working on, and of course they have 277 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:30.119 to mention UFOs and his experience, and he's kind of been upset or disillusioned 278 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.960 by that whole thing. Well, it shouldn't be too this allusion, after 279 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.200 all. I mean, he did have one of his tours not so many 280 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:45.759 years ago was called the Close Encounters Tour and it featured what lights were lights 281 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:51.279 in a spaceship configuration. So I think that he's you know, fully, 282 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:53.880 I know he's fully into this. The question, of course, is they 283 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:59.960 always do these rock stars always do have to do with commercial deal with commercial 284 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:06.400 reality, and sometimes their managers get on them. For example, Elvis's manager, 285 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:11.640 Colonel Tom Parker gave Elvis a terrible time about his interests in the UFOs 286 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:18.720 and the code and the paranormal and you know, and actually literally until the 287 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.759 people know this, Burn had Elvis's collection of about three or four hundred books 288 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:30.039 on UFOs and the light burn wow, so that, you know, so 289 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.200 they give him a message that he didn't want them involved with it. Well, 290 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:34.759 I would think it would make these guys more popular. It makes them 291 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:41.079 more eccentric, which is what people think entertainers are. So I'm surprised that 292 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.519 their managers would shy away like that. Yeah, well, you know, 293 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.079 it's it's a double edged sword. I mean when it comes to UFOs, 294 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:56.160 it's like somehouses, like a separate category in many people's minds. And that's 295 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.079 changing, of course. I would say it's rapidly changing. And I think, 296 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.480 you know, I think Open Minds Magazine is very much indicative of that 297 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:10.839 change, as well as the all of these hundreds of former military guys who 298 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:21.039 have come forward and said that they'll testify before Congress have granted immunity from prosecution 299 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.720 so that they can tell what they know. And it's a lot, Yeah, 300 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.279 it is a lot, And thank you for mentioning the magazine. We're 301 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.440 really proud of it. And you know, Antonio, who you've worked with, 302 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.119 a great writer. And we had speaking of the military officers Robert Salas 303 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:38.519 on last week who had or a couple of weeks ago now who had his 304 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:44.000 experiences. And then James Peniston, who is at the Rendel Shim Air Force 305 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:48.680 Base Rendal Schrom Forest out there in the UK, is going to be on 306 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.920 next week to talk about But these are two people just like you're talking about, 307 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.119 who are ex military, who had experiences. Well, when we get 308 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:57.279 back, we got to take a break, but we'll come back and we'll 309 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:02.279 talk about your twenty twelve research this it'd be great, So stay tuned to 310 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:26.319 Open Minds Radio. This is open Minds Radio here again your host, UFO 311 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:33.720 paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back. This is Open Minds Radio 312 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:38.000 and I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas. We have Michael Luckmann on who's a 313 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:44.920 researcher into rock stars and their UFO ET connection. However, he's also done 314 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:48.640 an abundance of research on twenty twelve and we're going to talk to him about 315 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.680 that. But I do want to mention the magazine that he just mentioned earlier. 316 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:57.039 You can't get at Openminds dot tv. We're very close. We're going 317 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:02.759 to have our second issue out soon, so we're excited about that. But 318 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:07.200 it open Minds dot tv. And also looking your local bookstore come June first 319 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.200 and you'll see we're gonna do some cool stuff with the magazines at Barnes and 320 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:15.000 Nobles and Borders and so you have to check that out. But Michael, 321 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.160 you wanted to talk about twenty twelve, and it's of course a hot topic 322 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:23.200 that everybody wants to hear about, So why don't you give us some insight 323 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:29.880 into what got you interested in twenty twelve. Well, I got pulled in 324 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:37.960 on twenty twelve, having basically there was some stories that appeared concerning the money 325 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.160 in calendar port of the way that most people get pulled into twenty twelve. 326 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:52.359 However, unfortunately, the basic premise that I was pulled in by turns out 327 00:25:52.400 --> 00:26:00.839 to be you know, incorrect. Essentially, basically, to summarize twelve in 328 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.759 regard to the Mayan calendar, the Mayans, the mining. According to the 329 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:11.279 Mayan elders, the calendar date of December twenty first, twenty twelve, of 330 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:18.640 the last day on the calendar, does not mean a specific physical upheaval of 331 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:26.359 any kind on that date or anywhere near that date necessarily. However, having 332 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.720 said that, they that and it does, and their estimation it does mean 333 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:37.519 other changes, and we can see unbelievable changes going on every day when it 334 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.079 comes to the entire business structure of the war. What could be more fundamental 335 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:47.200 than that. So so anyone who denies to the you know, any kind 336 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:51.680 of connection with twenty twelve or the importance of it, were obviously getting very 337 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:53.519 close to it. And what intrigued me also, of course, was the 338 00:26:53.559 --> 00:27:02.160 overlap between different different cultures of this general time period, whether it's twenty twelve, 339 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:07.839 twenty and thirteen, two thousand and ten, in any date, any 340 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:15.039 and all dates in between. I saw the you know, this overlap immediately 341 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:21.160 was clear to me in terms of not only the Mayans, but the Aztecs, 342 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:30.440 the people from all you know, the Bible, people from all points 343 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.880 of view, the so called end times, of course, and as indicated 344 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:40.240 in the Bible. And so I was intrigued to look into this some more. 345 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:47.599 Now, according to the Mayan elders, they feel Maya's always very involved 346 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:52.160 with the Sun, and they're very big on astronomy, and they were concerned 347 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.240 about and very much are concerned about the Sun and what kind of damage the 348 00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:02.960 Sun could do it might do to us in whether it's in twenty and twelve 349 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:10.799 or in the years approaching or even following twenty twelve. There are things that 350 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.319 we don't have toieve in trust the Mayan elders. We could go right to 351 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:22.759 some current NASA scientists who feel that the Sun could be very dangerous for us. 352 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.640 Now, the Sun is a very hot place and it could be dangerous 353 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:32.240 for us at any time. Feeling forth missions that could wipe out the entire 354 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:36.759 planet, you know, in an heart beat. However, it just so 355 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.000 happens in twenty and twelve, and this information, unfortunately, this doesn't make 356 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.720 any easier, gets changing, so that what looks like one situation at one 357 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:52.000 point regarding twenty twelve not tied them with a Mayan calendars. For US, 358 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.200 NASA is concerned just the fact that it just that's when it happens to be. 359 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:03.519 Is that we're entering a period where the unspots are projected to be enormous 360 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.720 uh, sun spots on sunspots, driver weather, uh, sun spots as 361 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:14.720 large as planets, perhaps as a you know, in relation to the sun, 362 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:23.559 right and other things that may that may happen that could wipe out uh 363 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:29.480 you know, uh, our our whole satellite or or part at least of 364 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:34.319 our satellite system. Now that would do you know, unbelievable devastation, because 365 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:41.200 unbelievable devastation the planet Earth. Uh and really uh you know, put us 366 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:47.240 through uh, I mean all of our communications work via satellite and and and 367 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:51.920 and there are all kinds of things that that would suddenly change and for the 368 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.200 worst, I'm afraid uh. And it could be you know, it could 369 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.160 be devastating. On the other hand, it might not be as devastating as 370 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:07.160 we think. This year. The sun is what is the spots were, 371 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:12.440 There were sids of waiting for some sunspots. There were remarkably few sunspots and 372 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:18.039 things that one or two and the first one that the sun managed to squeeze 373 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:23.319 out, guess one wasn't round as they normally are. It was square square. 374 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.559 Weird. Yeah, I know, we're kind of in a valley when 375 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.920 it comes to peaks and valleys of the solar cycle, and twenty twelve is 376 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.559 out of peak, and you know, I was looking at you know, 377 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:40.680 late nineties, how there is a big solar flare that caused some problems with 378 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:45.759 communication devices, and they were speculating that if that kind of thing happened in 379 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.640 twenty twelve, were so much more reliant on the satellites and the communication systems. 380 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:57.759 That think of the devastation of these four teenage and middle school girls when 381 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.640 they can't use their cell phone for a day or two, no text messaging. 382 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:07.200 They won't be able to communicate with each other, right exactly exactly. 383 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:15.359 I'd like to move into a discussion about a little bit on Fatima. Okay, 384 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:26.119 because Fatima is visions. Yeah, okay, interesting Fatima was Kintama happened 385 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:32.359 in nineteen seventeen, and essentially what happened was that free little shepherd kids encountered 386 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.559 what they fought was the Mother Mary. In investigating the case, I found 387 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:41.279 in other researchers have found that there's a lot of UFO what could be considered 388 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:47.920 UFO activity in terms of what they actually saw. More important than that, 389 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.119 there was a just as important, there was a massive event that happened, 390 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:59.359 which was the so called miracle Fatima, also referred to by some religious people 391 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:04.799 as the Dancing Sun. That is a phenomenon. And the people were drawn 392 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:08.640 to a field on a particular day, the witness of miracle that had been 393 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:14.799 announced to prove that the kids had actually had contact with the Virgin Mary and 394 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:21.440 that they had certain predictions and stuff given to them, and hand was. 395 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.279 These people showed up. They didn't know exactly what they're looking for. It's 396 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:29.759 a very rainy day, they're looking up in the sky. The it was 397 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.960 like a lot of people, right, I think seventy thousand people, and 398 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.000 there are plenty of photographs of these people. There were news, there was 399 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:44.960 news coverage of this, and they're they're hanging out there and they're looking up 400 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.680 at the sky. They don't know what they're waiting for. Suddenly there's a 401 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.920 break in the clouds and there is in a position where the sun would be. 402 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.799 And this according to the journalists as well as the priests and other just 403 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:07.240 eyewitnesses, there there was a a disk right where the sun would be, 404 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:17.079 an enormous silver gray disc with lights reflecting off spinning off the outer edge of 405 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:22.279 the disk. And the disc moved kind of erratically in the sky and then 406 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:29.160 at one point appeared to plunge towards the earth, and the people were in 407 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.839 great fear and they, you know, got down on the ground and they're 408 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:37.599 praying for forgiveness and and and helping that their wives will be spared. All 409 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:44.759 of a suddenly the disc goes back up into the sky at the you know, 410 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.640 more or less at the sun where the sun would normally be. There 411 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:53.880 isn't any sun. There's just this disk and people, uh, people who 412 00:33:53.880 --> 00:34:00.200 had been salked by the rain. Their curls are all dry. The ground 413 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:08.559 is completely dry. And that was that particular event. Now, through the 414 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:15.679 years, the church was given from the from the kids. The Church had 415 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:22.639 the three miracles, and they have to do essentially with uh, you know, 416 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:29.360 world War one and World War two. But the third miracle, the 417 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:34.679 most important miracle of all, was was held by the by the Vatican and 418 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.519 only released about maybe six years ago, seven years ago. And when it 419 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:46.039 was released there was great criticism that this wasn't the actual text of the miracle. 420 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:52.480 And they knew this information for years and held on to it and only 421 00:34:52.679 --> 00:35:00.480 released absolutely absolutely Now. The pope was down in Fatima, Portugal some years 422 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:06.280 ago, I think it was in the early nineteen eighties. John poll A 423 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:12.960 second, and he was asked by some visiting pilgrims there, why does the 424 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:19.840 church withhold this information? And his answer was and given the answer, he 425 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.719 just about gave the thing away. He said, well, that it would 426 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:29.840 only cause it would only serve the cause of sensationalism if there were an event 427 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:34.760 that was going to happen in the near future that could wipe out or would 428 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.760 wipe out you know, millions and tens of millions of people and more hundreds 429 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:45.519 of millions of people from more moment to the next as a result of ocean 430 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.639 footing. Geek. That's scary now, we have to go to break, 431 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.400 so we're going to pick up the rest of that story, and I think 432 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.159 where you're going with it. I see where you're going about the Patomas story 433 00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:02.079 and its relation to twenty twelve. With Michael Luckman coming up right after this 434 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:15.559 break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. 435 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.599 Here now former officials, folksperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host 436 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:28.199 of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas, Thanks for staying tune. You're listening 437 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:35.119 to Open Minds Radio and we're talking to Michael Luckman about twenty twelve Fatima, 438 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.440 the Fatima miracles, if you've heard that, something the Vatican takes very seriously 439 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.239 and the Pope, which is relaying a story to the from the Pope for 440 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:49.800 us, and it's UFO relations because it's seeing Michael, the sun sighting that 441 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.079 you talked about, I mean, flew around and very much had the same 442 00:36:53.199 --> 00:37:04.079 characteristics as many UFO sightings, unquestionablyably, and there's also this there's a man 443 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:08.800 by the name of Father Malachi Martin. Unfortunately he died a number of years 444 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:15.239 ago, but Malachi Martin was an insider at the Vatican. He was an 445 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:21.159 assistant or at least close with any number of pops, including John pull the 446 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:28.440 Second. He was definitely in a position of Malachi Martin to have contact and 447 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:36.239 knowledge of the content of the Third Miracle of Fatima. And he, even 448 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:40.119 though he kept a WD on it for very many years, he ultimately did 449 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:44.760 say this, and he said a lot in a few words. He said 450 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:54.679 that it was his understanding that an object was headed toward a comic type of 451 00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.679 object or an incoming celestial object, however you want to look at it. 452 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:09.400 Some people have referred to the so called wormwood comet that's referred to in the 453 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:15.239 Bible. But whether it's the worm would comet or perhaps as other people think, 454 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.039 a lot of people on the Internet think that it could be the that 455 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.639 it could be the legendary planet X coming here, which is on its way 456 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:28.800 here and which has those kind of devastating effects. Whether it's you know, 457 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:37.320 whether that's going to happen anytime as soon remains to be seen. Even Zacharias 458 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:43.320 sich And, the chief proponent of the planet X theory, doesn't think that 459 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.039 it's coming right away. However, other people do. I happen to be 460 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:51.280 one of them. I happen to think that there's a possibility that that's exactly 461 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:58.800 what's happening when he got this information from ancient writings from the Sumerians, and 462 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:05.079 a lot of the Bible see seems to be also reflective of ancient Sumerian stories. 463 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.679 Yeah, it's it all. It all seems to carl a very very 464 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.880 well. And it's the best explanation I know of. I mean, how 465 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.079 did the ancient Samarians? And by the way, was interesting is that Samaria 466 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:22.239 is located in northern Iraq, of all places, rights Bertile Crescent, yeah 467 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.480 right and Iraq. Yeah, but but the you know, how did the 468 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:36.719 Samarians know all the all of the characteristics and the positions relative positions of all 469 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.320 of the planets in our solar system, plus the existence of one more, 470 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:45.480 which was was Nibburu or planet as Lusisians pretty much saying they got this knowledge 471 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:52.199 from aliens that had calmed down and say to them, he is he calls 472 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.920 them. The refers to them. They're referred to actually in Samerian writings as 473 00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:04.079 the as the Ananaki uh and the references in the Bible too, uh to 474 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:10.639 them, those who you know, from heaven to Earth come uh and UH. 475 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:15.920 What's intriguing. Perhaps one of the most intriguing stories that I've ever heard 476 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:23.159 in all my years of being involved uthology has to do with the possible landing 477 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:35.000 in UH of the Annachi UH several of them at Holiman Air Force Base in 478 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:43.400 New Mexico. UH that was witnessed by UH uh and engaged in by UH 479 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:51.880 uh several military officers UH, and supposedly filmed by our government. UH. 480 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.840 This is certainly ultimate type of evidence of the UH you know, of the 481 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:04.280 existence either the existence of U of contact with these knowledge of contact with these 482 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.280 beings, or at the very least, even if it might even if it 483 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:14.239 turns out that the Holoman film was a I say, the Holloman film. 484 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.840 A few people have seen it, but most people haven't seen it at all. 485 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.760 I've not seen it. I wish I had seen it. But but 486 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:28.480 the but these but this film at the very least represents a training film that 487 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.079 might have been put together by the government for psychological purposes to test, you 488 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:37.639 know, whether or not you know how people would react to the quote reality 489 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:45.960 of a UFO UH actual UFO landing. But uh it uh it actually the 490 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:53.360 film UH the Nixon administration turned out to be involved with this film. Knew 491 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:58.920 of the hr all them in of of Watergate infamy, knew of the existence 492 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.400 of this film. I don't know whether they had seen it or not. 493 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:06.719 They knew the existence of the film, and the plan apparently was to release 494 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:15.119 the film at the uh you know, uh prior well prior to when Watergate 495 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:20.039 happened. When Watergate actually happened. They decided the government to pull back the 496 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.239 film because I had been offered to several journalists, uh, to pull back 497 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:28.800 the film and not release it because they felt that it might you know, 498 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.480 that's that the government might have I think I know which film you're talking about. 499 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:38.159 And they had offered it to the Disney Corporation and to an HBO film 500 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:45.199 company. And but I didn't know the information about the Anennakai in that there 501 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:54.519 was a relation between that film and these beings. Yes, yes, absolutely 502 00:42:54.920 --> 00:43:00.920 there was a Linda Linda how the cattle mulation researcher, was one of the 503 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:06.519 people actually offered right right film. She didn't see the film, but she 504 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.480 was offered the film. And Robert Emmenegger is another one. Yeah, and 505 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:15.320 he actually I believe had seen the film. He didn't actually see the film 506 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:21.920 from what I could tell. However, the people who we knew had seen 507 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:28.119 the film, and then it seemed and he was, you know, told 508 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.719 by various people, including hr All them in I mean, they seem to 509 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.519 indicate that they seem to want him to put this thing out. Let's put 510 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:37.920 it that way. Interesting And then yeah, that's an interesting story that they 511 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.760 they never did put that film out. They just kind of tease people with 512 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.440 it and now pull it back. I don't remember, Alejandro, whether I 513 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:52.719 had mentioned the resistance of a signal the last time we spoke. I think, 514 00:43:52.440 --> 00:44:00.360 okay, Well, one thing that does happen we know on December December 515 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:06.239 twenty first, twenty twelve, the last day on the main calendar, is 516 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.159 there's an alignment with the center of our Milky Way galaxy. That is, 517 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:17.280 the alignment of Earth with the center of the Milky Way galaxy precisely from that 518 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:28.800 area. Currently is a recurrent what could be an alien beacon or at least 519 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:34.800 a signal being put out in the direction of Earth, or at least that's 520 00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:40.519 being monitored down here by scientists, by astronomers, and they haven't figured it 521 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.440 out yet. It's not I mean, I certainly haven't deciphered it. If 522 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:49.400 it's an intelligent signal, it could be something that's just there and is not 523 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.119 intelligent at all, or it could be intelligent. What puts it on the 524 00:44:53.159 --> 00:45:02.599 side of perhaps being intelligent is that it's very loud and very repetitive. That's 525 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:08.960 amazing to me. What's also amazing to me is that the majority of the 526 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.639 legitimate crop circles, that is, the ones that we think are legitimate. 527 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:19.119 It's very hard to tell, but but the ones that have been around, 528 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:24.800 let's say for the last ten years and that have not been dismissed ash as 529 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:35.880 hoaxes. Uh, the majority of those crop circles have annaki slash planet X 530 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:43.159 slash nibru symbols. That's what they're all about, like Someamerian type symbols. 531 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:52.360 Uh well no, well no, uh you know planet planet X type of 532 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.360 symbols. How are they able to determine what type of symbols come from Planet 533 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:02.559 X? Where the symbols, Well, you might be right, I mean 534 00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:07.480 it's undoubtedly as recorded, but yeah, as recorded by the Samarians. Okay, 535 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.239 yeah, interesting, yeah, I know as recorded by the Samarians. 536 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:17.920 Yeah, So what do you think will happen when December twenty first, twenty 537 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.559 twelve comes in the last few seconds, what do you think will happen shortly? 538 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:27.920 Quick answer? It's impossible to give a quick answer. And I wish, 539 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.760 I wish I knew. What I do know is it's not the end 540 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.480 of the world. Is the end of the world as we as we know 541 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.000 it, And I feel fine as the song goes, I don't know either 542 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:44.079 about that. That's a good way that we'll get through it. I would 543 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.480 say that we'll get through it. However, what precedes it and what follows 544 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:51.840 it, I don't know. In other words, that date is not to 545 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.719 be to not one isn't to be too concerned about that date. It's sort 546 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.239 of a I look at it as a market, but I don't look at 547 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.159 it as an actual time state. Well, great, thanks for being on 548 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.760 the show again. You know that's a good positive. We don't have to 549 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.880 hopefully worry about the end of the world in major destruction. But thank you, 550 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.440 Michael for being on the show again. Check out Alien Rock and we've 551 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:16.199 got links on our show to his book. Next week, we're gonna have 552 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:22.440 James Peniston, who is an Air Force staff sergeant for the US Air Force 553 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:28.239 at the Royal Air Force Base at Bentwaters with an incredible probably the best documented 554 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.039 UFO case ever. So you're gonna want to hear about this and him actually 555 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.599 walking up and touching a craft. He explained this on Larry King. But 556 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:42.000 we'll talk more about it next week, So tune in to Open Minds Radio. 557 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:50.800 Remember next Monday, nine pm. See you next week. Please, 558 00:47:50.960 --> 00:48:15.559 cous you watch your face oba Alia Saba like a hole movie for folks back 559 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:15.760 home. Y